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All three used to be in my fav list until mid-2016. Sine then, I only spontaneously offerred them courtesy sessions. To be honest, I think their services were above average among Sharks WGs. At least, all of three were very polite to me when I was present in club. Bianca never be arrogant to me.
[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2098003]Totally agree with the Esther assessment. She's got big eyes, a pretty face, a long lean, killer body -- but always looking sad. It's something in the eyes -- she smiles, she's easy to talk to, but it's not hard to sense she expected a different fate than this. Or maybe I'm being overly empathetic and imagining things. I also haven't had anything spectacular with her, but yeah, Jnpr30's "polite and decent" is a pretty good description.[/QUOTE]I also get the impression from many girls that given the choice they would not be doing this job. I know there are many here on the forum insisting the girls actively choose this type of work and enjoy it immensely (see current discussion on the Golden Time thread).
With Esther I also get the same feel that in better circumstances she would have a better life (although mongers will argue this job is the perfect life to be paid to fuck for money).
Also with Livia Laura she says she is not suited to this job due to her physical size. She does what she can and appears with what she can provide to be considered limited in services unless you are paying good money when it is worth her while to get the pain from a hard fucking.
Maybe I am also being too emphatic as well with the plight of the girls doing this job.
But then you hear of what aspirations the girls have, their spending habits then you realise the girls make a good living from the job.
When I hear of the guys that grab the tits of the girls to the point of causing pain, pound the girl really hard and don't stop even if the girl says it hurts and those that force the girls head onto their cock for deep throat so she gags and the girl puts up with it for 50 euros. At times I feel I am not getting my money's worth for my 50 euro.
So I get conflicting debates in my mind on feeling sorry for girls and then thinking I am paying for a lavish lifestyle for some so I should get all the kinky services I want for as low as I can get it for.
I know Optimist has discussed this point before and observing many girls will actually earn a lot more than the customers who see them. Albeit I admit the shelf life of a girl is maybe shorter than the professional or businesses of these customers.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2097808]Last year everytime I spoke to her about kissing she ran away.[/QUOTE]Big buddy,
My experience and advice is maybe take a different stance with Esther. She does indeed kiss and in my opinion kisses well. Like Diana, maybe not kiss well for a 50 euro session where it's light kisses but definitely for the 100 euro session.
As said before, more and more girls will only kiss in a 100 euro session. Examples for me include Selena and Emma who made 100 euro minimum a requirement.
Worse was Mersi who wanted 100 euro for half hour of GFE that included DATY and kissing if not then literally suck and fuck. So she can just stay at the bar drinking while she waits for her next customer who maybe a long wait away.
Was your request for a basic session or was there more on the cards to get the reaction that Esther walked away from you?
She just asked what I like, I answered "kissing" and she said "I have to find another baby", then she left. We didn't discuss the time or anything.
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2098105]Big buddy,
My experience and advice is maybe take a different stance with Esther. She does indeed kiss and in my opinion kisses well. Like Diana, maybe not kiss well for a 50 euro session where it's light kisses but definitely for the 100 euro session.
As said before, more and more girls will only kiss in a 100 euro session. Examples for me include Selena and Emma who made 100 euro minimum a requirement.
Worse was Mersi who wanted 100 euro for half hour of GFE that included DATY and kissing if not then literally suck and fuck. So she can just stay at the bar drinking while she waits for her next customer who maybe a long wait away.
Was your request for a basic session or was there more on the cards to get the reaction that Esther walked away from you?[/QUOTE]I don't pay 100 Euro for 1/2 HR with kissing. I rather take one hour with kissing. Most girls go for that including Ester.
I have quite interesting relationship with Ester. Usually she greets me just by saying "Hi". No light kissing like other regular girls. Usually I sit by the TV near the fish tank. Sitting by the strip pole she knows exectly how long ago I've been in the room. Once in a few month she jumps on my knees without asking and after short conversation we go to the room. She does not annoy every my visit like some others. But she always approach me in right time and after long enough period so I miss her enough to take to the room. Nothing new happens in the room. All her sessions are quite similar. Not too much excitement but always decent quality service.
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2098102]Also with Livia Laura she says she is not suited to this job due to her physical size. She does what she can and appears with what she can provide to be considered limited in services unless you are paying good money when it is worth her while to get the pain from a hard fucking.[/QUOTE]Laura / Livia usually told me if there was a day when she could not take a good sized dick and she'd wander off to hunt for Asians. In all the sessions I had with her at Oase there were never any restrictions or pain on her side. She is out of business for the moment, don't know if she will return.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2098109]She just asked what I like, I answered "kissing" and she said "I have to find another baby", then she left. We didn't discuss the time or anything.[/QUOTE]Ok, that seems clear cut. Less incentive to pursue her to further the conversation. A lot of guys, including yourself took the message at face value, and that is that.
Thank you for adding the extra detail Big Buddy.
[QUOTE=Jymondor;2098119]I don't pay 100 Euro for 1/2 HR with kissing. I rather take one hour with kissing. Most girls go for that including Ester.[/QUOTE]Nor do I pay 100 for half a hour with kissing and licking. So Mersi received a decline. Up to her to perpetuate that business model.
Ross123,
Positive feedback mate, I am visiting for my first time late November and upon your review and others I shortlisted Oase and Sharks. Have in mind to start hunting early afternoon so will arrive around 3 pm, need an hour or 90 minutes between sessions, 3 pops on my mind if I manage LOL. Between drinking and chatting with my mates I be out by approx 11 pm. Will do both clubs on a Thursday and Saturday respectively. What are the beer prices please? I guess with entrance fee only soft drinks and juices are included right?
And actually the second time I met her she remembered quickly this detail and just left. She didn't even bother to say Hi when I met her the following times.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2098234]And actually the second time I met her she remembered quickly this detail and just left. She didn't even bother to say Hi when I met her the following times.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I know what you mean.
Esther does not approach me anymore and I thought we were doing well.
I just admire from afar now.
Esther does look well good. She lost weight in the late Summer so does not have that plump look she had earlier in the year.
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2098262]Yeah. I know what you mean.
Esther does not approach me anymore and I thought we were doing well.
I just admire from afar now.
Esther does look well good. She lost weight in the late Summer so does not have that plump look she had earlier in the year.[/QUOTE]So many post about Esther, is she really worth it? Today I was at Shark, positiv many girls negativ Dampfbad not working for more than 2 months, food quality is facing a strong decrease and for me it was not Shark but Turkeyland or Indialand.
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2098102]I also get the impression from many girls that given the choice they would not be doing this job. I know there are many here on the forum insisting the girls actively choose this type of work and enjoy it immensely (see current discussion on the Golden Time thread).
With Esther I also get the same feel that in better circumstances she would have a better life (although mongers will argue this job is the perfect life to be paid to fuck for money).
Also with Livia Laura she says she is not suited to this job due to her physical size. She does what she can and appears with what she can provide to be considered limited in services unless you are paying good money when it is worth her while to get the pain from a hard fucking.
Maybe I am also being too emphatic as well with the plight of the girls doing this job.
But then you hear of what aspirations the girls have, their spending habits then you realise the girls make a good living from the job.
When I hear of the guys that grab the tits of the girls to the point of causing pain, pound the girl really hard and don't stop even if the girl says it hurts and those that force the girls head onto their cock for deep throat so she gags and the girl puts up with it for 50 euros. At times I feel I am not getting my money's worth for my 50 euro.
So I get conflicting debates in my mind on feeling sorry for girls and then thinking I am paying for a lavish lifestyle for some so I should get all the kinky services I want for as low as I can get it for.
I know Optimist has discussed this point before and observing many girls will actually earn a lot more than the customers who see them. Albeit I admit the shelf life of a girl is maybe shorter than the professional or businesses of these customers.[/QUOTE]I've been doing this long enough that I have run across girls who do it because they love the sex. I've been treated like a sex doll at times -- a WG will tell me, straight up, "do xyz, I want to get off" even when it does nothing for me. But I realize, for the most part, especially for the ones that are there day in, day out, it's a job. I think HB once said something to the effect of, you may really really like ice cream, but if you have it every day, you're bound to get sick of it.
It sounds like you and I are on the same page on the empathy issue. The flip side is that these girls may have unrealistic expectations as well.
As far as the guys that make you feel you're not getting your money's worth -- keep in mind, a lot of people exaggerate. I read some of the accounts here, and it seems like everyone is getting treated like royalty and banging to the very last minute. I hang out in the club, and I see most guys -- young and old, local and tourist, regardless of race -- are out of the room in 20 minutes or less. Especially in the clubs with public spaces like Palace's theater and Oase's temple, you see how most girls run a routine. I admit, I've gotten pretty blase about it all.
That's not to say some guys aren't doing the crazy things you hear about. Whether or not you do them is up to you. Some I wouldn't feel right doing. I think it's kind of like professional life. There are also those guys who lie, cheat and steal to get ahead, and you may feel a little resentful when they get more out of life than you too. Everyone has their own code of morality. Some of us also believe in karma, or the golden rule.
I have no doubt many of these girls earn more than their customers. I agree that their professional lives are much shorter too.
Jmioffe,
There is no like button on this forum so I will have to write that I liked everything you said.
The stories I hear about pulled tits, hard and painful fucking so that the girl cannot work for the rest of the day and forced deep throating as the guy holds the girls head is what I hear from the girls as they explain some of the things that they let guys do to put up with to earn the money. They may grumble under their breath but they let them do it. For 50 euro.
Like I said it feels like I am not getting my money's worth. But then I don't do these things. I am probably too gentle and some girls say just fuck me.
[QUOTE=Jymondor;2098119]I don't pay 100 Euro for 1/2 HR with kissing. I rather take one hour with kissing. Most girls go for that including Ester.
I have quite interesting relationship with Ester. Usually she greets me just by saying "Hi". No light kissing like other regular girls. Usually I sit by the TV near the fish tank. Sitting by the strip pole she knows exectly how long ago I've been in the room. Once in a few month she jumps on my knees without asking and after short conversation we go to the room. She does not annoy every my visit like some others. But she always approach me in right time and after long enough period so I miss her enough to take to the room. Nothing new happens in the room. All her sessions are quite similar. Not too much excitement but always decent quality service.[/QUOTE]Second that.