Kyiv

It has been a old discussion. Overall, where is the better city for mongering and not get ripped off easily, Kir or Moscow. I saw YouTube videos about Kiev and think that Moscow would be more classy. For all the comment I read in this forum in the last half year, so many people complaining about not getting hot girls and get ripped of.

[QUOTE=Gaolegao366;1920076]It has been a old discussion. Overall, where is the better city for mongering and not get ripped off easily, Kir or Moscow. I saw YouTube videos about Kiev and think that Moscow would be more classy. For all the comment I read in this forum in the last half year, so many people complaining about not getting hot girls and get ripped of.[/QUOTE]I think these days it's certainly a tougher place to visit for the newbie. If you have a good contact network there, or know how the place works (where to go etc) then it's not really changed to much in the last 5 years. Can't comment on Moscow.

I have become acquainted with a girl from Dnipropetrovsk. It turns out she has an interesting phone book: Some of her girlfriends are willing to meet on a nonprofessional basis. Personally I have met only herself so far. Her name is Darina. Should somebody be interested, I can give her number in personal message. Confidentiality is of the essence. As I understand, meetings are possible in Dnipropetrovsk, Kiev and Odessa, later, after contact has been established, also internationally.

They first try to scam you on Internet.

They go to all fancy places to earn as much as possible as quick as possible.

Etc.

They want to belong to the local elite.

Russian & Ukraine consider their culture and girls being Superior to the West.

They don't want to live in the west as considered being bought for Euros or Dollars by a "old fat rich man".

They can do it for getting then the citizenship. Make money, and them come home, to be part of the elite at home.

Colombian, Brazilian, Mexican, Thai or Philipinas don't care, they build up their own expat communities and or adopt to the new countries cultural.

Russian & Ukraine girls are in general not so beautiful. They have a bigger part of cohort that is sexy, tall, beautiful, but still the majority is as average that in most countries.

Bad climate 7-8 months, few English speaking persons, Vodka aggressive males.

Much is a myth. Both the girls and the countries.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1921045] They have a bigger part of cohort that is sexy, tall, beautiful, but still the majority is as average that in most countries.

[/QUOTE]I don't agree with your entire post, but the cohort in central Kiev has undoubtedly diminished into something average in the last five years. That, with the decline of hookers, brings me to doubt the cities future as a fun place to visit.

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Much is a myth. Both the girls and the countries.[/QUOTE]Have you ever actually been to Kiev? Doesn't sound anything like my experience. Stick to Medellin maybe, I'll happily take on your share of long-limbed devs.

I am in Kiev now and look for;

- escort service that I can trust (website name please).

- good experience escort.

- people to drink a beer with.

I stay in center, ciao!

[QUOTE=Cosmox;1921212]I am in Kiev now and look for;

- escort service that I can trust (website name please).

- good experience escort.

- people to drink a beer with.

I stay in center, ciao![/QUOTE]Escort service you can trust is gia. La for sure. I have experience with them. They're expensive but good. Just pick what you want and you'll enjoy probably.

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Russian & Ukraine girls are in general not so beautiful. They have a bigger part of cohort that is sexy, tall, beautiful, but still the majority is as average that in most countries.
[/QUOTE]I have to disagree. I have been many, many places in the world, and I think the Ukrainian women are above average. It is two things that make them this way. They are typically thin and they typically have excellent complexions. They have smaller breasts than a lot of other countries, but also comes from being thin. (I also think that Kiev, on average, has girls who carry more weight than the rest of the Ukraine. Not sure if it is simply because it is a more prosperous town).

They also tend to care about their looks more than other places in Europe. They also tend to be cleaner, in general (my opinion, anyway).

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They also tend to care about their looks more than other places in Europe. They also tend to be cleaner, in general (my opinion, anyway).[/QUOTE]No place on planet where girl measure her worth by beauty then in Ukraine.

[QUOTE=Russel4339;1921608]I have to disagree. I have been many, many places in the world, and I think the Ukrainian women are above average. It is two things that make them this way. They are typically thin and they typically have excellent complexions. They have smaller breasts than a lot of other countries, but also comes from being thin. (I also think that Kiev, on average, has girls who carry more weight than the rest of the Ukraine. Not sure if it is simply because it is a more prosperous town).

They also tend to care about their looks more than other places in Europe. They also tend to be cleaner, in general (my opinion, anyway).[/QUOTE]Not only Ukraine. It's like that in all Ex-Eastern European countries. I was impressed in Bulgaria, how pretty they are. I saw many pretty girls in Poland and in some other Eastern Europe countries. They just try to look more feminine than in Western Europe. You can also see sometimes very badly dressed girls in Kiev. And fat girls are more and more usual now than before. So no need to come to Kiev to see many pretty girls that take care of themselves. All other East European countries are worth for that.

[QUOTE=Riina;1921643]No place on planet where girl measure her worth by beauty then in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]Kiev? Bahhh.

If you like Ukraine, then I suggest visiting some other places, such as Doezk, Lviv, Odessa etc. There are at least same beautiful girls as in Kiev but more realistic and open for relationship of any kind.

Of course its all a matter of opinion as Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder or in many cases The Beerholder.

I've been to most countries in EE starting with a slightly higher end backpacking trips there (a long gap year) in 1989/90 before the Berlin wall came down taking advantage of the Black Market rates for the $$ and the very cheap prices in those years. Never got to do Ukraine at the time, in fact I never heard of it before.

Started going to Ukraine in 2009 and from what I've seen The UA girls are in the top league of EE Girls of the countries in EE I've been to followed by Polish girls. I can't comment on the European part of Russia say SP, Moscow.

As for Bulgaria, yes I've seen many beauties there in the summer but they they were young Scandinavian girls on holiday in Sunny Beach and Golden Sands. Same thing in Mamaia Romania.

[QUOTE=Jojosun;1921816]Of course its all a matter of opinion as Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder or in many cases The Beerholder.

I've been to most countries in EE starting with a slightly higher end backpacking trips there (a long gap year) in 1989/90 before the Berlin wall came down taking advantage of the Black Market rates for the $$ and the very cheap prices in those years. Never got to do Ukraine at the time, in fact I never heard of it before.

Started going to Ukraine in 2009 and from what I've seen The UA girls are in the top league of EE Girls of the countries in EE I've been to followed by Polish girls. I can't comment on the European part of Russia say SP, Moscow.

As for Bulgaria, yes I've seen many beauties there in the summer but they they were young Scandinavian girls on holiday in Sunny Beach and Golden Sands. Same thing in Mamaia Romania.[/QUOTE]

OMG. Topless Scandi girls at Sunny Beach in Bulgaria. It's been 12 years since I witnessed them to my disbelief, and sometimes I wonder why I don't go there every summer.

Also, if Bukovina in Ukraine is the cheapest ski resort I've ever been to, Sunny Beach is the cheapest beach resort I've ever been.

On the other hand, I don't think I saw any Scandi girls at Mamaia in Romania in the same year.

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;1922035]OMG. Topless Scandi girls at Sunny Beach in Bulgaria. It's been 12 years since I witnessed them to my disbelief, and sometimes I wonder why I don't go there every summer.

Also, if Bukovina in Ukraine is the cheapest ski resort I've ever been to, Sunny Beach is the cheapest beach resort I've ever been.

On the other hand, I don't think I saw any Scandi girls at Mamaia in Romania in the same year.[/QUOTE]I know what you mean about Scandi girls (some of the best looking in the world) . No doubt Bulgaria being one of the cheapest destinations in Europe and in fact the world also helps.

Link here for 2016 as well [URL]https://www.skyscanner.net/news/10-worlds[/URL] 12 of the world's cheapest holiday destinations for 2016 . It also includes Hungary. .

That said, Bulgarian hoes aren't that great looking nor cheap from what I've seen and did in Sunny Beach and Golden Sands also at the brothels of Varna. All the hoes in the beach resorts were working for Pimps.