Kyiv

[QUOTE=Castonthis;1924172]Nice body. Where did you find her?[/QUOTE]A kind member did not forget I shared something with him three years ago.

[QUOTE=Riina;1924247]A kind member did not forget I shared something with him three years ago.[/QUOTE]This are the best girls. They make it just if they need money.

Not the same to girls from Clubs or brothel.

In Mamba can find, but need long time and good search strategies.

[QUOTE=Volpone;1922484]Of course Mamba works well for most of users. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't stay long in Kiev.

You paid the right price, 100 $ for 2-3 hours. However some pay these girls much more, like around 100 $ for 1 hour. And some even more than that. So you did everything right.

How you look is important on Mamba. If you are young and good looking, some girls will choose you. Many of them are no real prostitutes, they just need some money right now and they will work as escort occasionnally. Some don't want to go with a guy that is more than 30 or 40 years old, sorry for the men around 50-60. Some girls don't want to go with foreigners, some prefer some nationalities to others, some want just one or two sponsors for long time. So it's different with every girl and it depends on the kind of customer you are, young, old, like BBBJ, 69 and Cunilingus, anal, etc.[/QUOTE]When I wrote that Mamba works well, it's only if you work hard on it. It means a few hours every day during a week at least. Don't expect however to get a 9 or a 10. Most of the girls can be range between 4 and 8. I can tell you that you can spend a few days without having sex, because they are not in Kiev (especially in Summer), they don't agree with your price (100 dollars for 1 hour is too much), they don't do BBBJ, they say they come, but they never come (it happens to me twice), they are pros and they want you to come to their apartment (I am not interested), they are busy right now and they can come in a few days or in a few weeks.

[QUOTE=Volpone;1922484]Of course Mamba works well for most of users. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't stay long in Kiev.

You paid the right price, 100 $ for 2-3 hours. However some pay these girls much more, like around 100 $ for 1 hour. And some even more than that. So you did everything right.

How you look is important on Mamba. If you are young and good looking, some girls will choose you. Many of them are no real prostitutes, they just need some money right now and they will work as escort occasionnally. Some don't want to go with a guy that is more than 30 or 40 years old, sorry for the men around 50-60. Some girls don't want to go with foreigners, some prefer some nationalities to others, some want just one or two sponsors for long time. So it's different with every girl and it depends on the kind of customer you are, young, old, like BBBJ, 69 and Cunilingus, anal, etc.[/QUOTE]600 to 700 grivnyas (20-25 $) HR for the young 20's girl, that is the rate in Kiev now. 300-400 you can still get the nice one, but takes time.

[QUOTE=Volpone;1925324]When I wrote that Mamba works well, it's only if you work hard on it. It means a few hours every day during a week at least. Don't expect however to get a 9 or a 10. Most of the girls can be range between 4 and 8. I can tell you that you can spend a few days without having sex, because they are not in Kiev (especially in Summer), they don't agree with your price (100 dollars for 1 hour is too much), they don't do BBBJ, they say they come, but they never come (it happens to me twice), they are pros and they want you to come to their apartment (I am not interested), they are busy right now and they can come in a few days or in a few weeks.[/QUOTE]You can find girls on Kreshatik. Just take them to club and back for all night.

In 2016 "To be Ukrainian is to be independent, self-confident and free."

[URL]www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37169341[/URL]

This view differs from the picture painted here on this board, which says more and more beautiful girls take up sponsorship-offer and go abroad.

How do we explain? Perhaps they don't want to be Ukrainians?

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;1926852]In 2016 "To be Ukrainian is to be independent, self-confident and free."

[URL]www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37169341[/URL]

This view differs from the picture painted here on this board, which says more and more beautiful girls take up sponsorship-offer and go abroad.

How do we explain? Perhaps they don't want to be Ukrainians?[/QUOTE]Why would anyone quote a hotel manager on an issue of national identity? Entrepreneurial people always leave their small towns behind. Most don't forget where do they come from. Some just choose the life of convenience abroad.

[QUOTE=Alexart;1926565]600 to 700 grivnyas (20-25 $) HR for the young 20's girl, that is the rate in Kiev now. 300-400 you can still get the nice one, but takes time.[/QUOTE]Yes you can in some apartments with pros. I've been in a few apartments with this price, I didn't stay. Well if you like to fuck ugly girls, it's easy to find them there. Maybe after visiting 10 of them you can find a pearl.

I was talking about mamba, try to chat a bit on mamba, you will see. Most of the girls don't agree for that price. But you can still dream about it.

[QUOTE=Alexart;1926568]You can find girls on Kreshatik. Just take them to club and back for all night.[/QUOTE]Yes with a device to go back in the past, that would work. That was like that in the nineties when girls were impressed with foreigners. Forget it now, most of them don't care about foreigners, they have enough middle class or rich Ukrainian boyfriends available.

By the way where are your reports, your own experience about Kiev, the real Kiev? I would be delighted to read them, but, pajalousta, the real Kiev, not some fantasms or wrong visions to make believe that you can get very easily a pretty young chick for 20-25 $.

¿Some knows about strip club Mandarin?

[URL]http://striptease.ua/eng/clubs/cabaretrestaurant-Mandarin[/URL]

I heard about it from a taxis some time ago, but I never was, if someone knows the place or like to explore together, just tell me.

I was staying in Hotel Kyiv. It's not bad. It's cheap. I called a girl on relaxportal. She looked hot, if it was her. She wanted 1000. There was a hotter girl with the same number who wanted 1500. I haven't seen that before. Anyway, I gave her my hotel room number, and she said she'd be there in half an hour. Half an hour later there was a knock on the door. Outside was a bloke in a suit. He said there was a girl for me downstairs. He said no. He didn't speak much English. Perhaps he wanted a bribe. I said, well, shall I come down and sort it out? He called reception and the receptionist explained that they don't let visitors in without ID. Like a fool I went down. The receptionist, the guy who had come to my room and another guy were all standing around in suits looking at me. The girl wasn't there. They said she was outside with her taxi. I went outside and found her. It wasn't the girl from the picture, not by a long way, but she was sort of OK in the dark and she was friendly and I was in the mood, so I got in the taxi with her. (She told me hotel Ukraine and hotel Dnipro are girl friendly.) We drove 5 minutes to a street off Maidan. She made a lot of funny finger signs at the driver. I guess she was saying "charge him too much and give me half later" he asked for 200, which is outrageous but what could I do stuck in a car with a tough driver and a hooker? We went upstairs, there were two other girls and a madam in the flat. The madam was actually the hottest. One of the girls was better than mine but I wasn't sure if I could swap. She sent me off to shower by myself.

Now this girl whose name is Lera and her pictures have long dark hair (I think there's a blonde Lera on relaxportal too) has absolutely the worst possible temperament to be a prostitute. She accepted no input from me about what to do. She started with a bad covered BJ. Then she got on top and started grinding away. Every time I tried to touch her she pushed my hand away roughly with her elbow. I moved my mouth towards her breasts. No kissing. After a couple of minutes she started sighing and muttering to herself and shaking her head. Under the circumstances I couldn't maintain an erection. As soon as she felt me getting soft she climbed off and after a lot of complaining about "not normal sex" she tried giving me a rough handjob. She went on sighing and muttering and after a few minutes she gave up. She spent a bit of time sitting on the bed sighing and swearing and looking at the wall, and a bit of time doing something with her phone, then she said time was up. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links on here? Her number in the URL on relaxportal is 15925. Keep away. She's nothing special to look at anyway.

When I went back to my hotel the three guys in suits were standing together right by the door. I smiled politely. Two of them looked away and the other one gave me a long hard look. I would have thought a cheap 3 star city hotel would be used to this. Perhaps they're just unhappy I didn't give them a couple of hundred to look the other way.

I give up on Ukraine for now. Maybe if I pay 1500 or 2000 I'll get proper service but I'm not going to take the chance. I'm off to Greece. (I'm sure Ukraine would be very rewarding if I went about it the right way, I don't mean to denigrate the country as a destination, but maybe my bad experiences can help others make better choices about how to approach it).

Incidentally, I'm a breast man. I find it frustrating when girls won't let me kiss or suck them. Some of these websites have long lists of what the girls will and won't do, but they never mention tit-sucking. I wonder why that is. I don't really need to know about anal fisting and crap (give) but I'd like to be able to pick a girl who'll let me suck her tits.

One last thing. I stayed earlier in Hotel Bratislava, another cheap but acceptable 3-star, by metro Darnitsa. They have a nightclub called something like Monsieur Gustave. The posters in the lift say it has a strip show with "extended crazy menu". I guess that means you can take girls out? Might be worth checking out. I only noticed it as I was coming down in the lift to check out. Too late.

[QUOTE=Alexart;1926565]600 to 700 grivnyas (20-25 $) HR for the young 20's girl, that is the rate in Kiev now. 300-400 you can still get the nice one, but takes time.[/QUOTE]I just came back form Ukraine. It was a short trip and I plan on going back. My experience is that you need 8-10 times the price quoted above to bang a classy, beautiful girl that does BBBJ and DFK (3000 grivnas). I personally don't have time, game or interest to pick up chicks on K street. May be it is possible but then they might as well bang you for free.

I want 3 sessions a day and one overnight. I don't want waste time looking for them. All of that is available but you have to pay.


I am not talking Rio or Buddha bar either. There it is even more expensive, and most of you know that.

Has anybody stayed at the ALFAVITO Kyiv Hotel?

The prices are good as usually I stay in private apartments but this is about the same price and convenience of hotel.

Any problems bringing girls up in a hotel? Do they have to sign in?

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1929075]I just came back form Ukraine. It was a short trip and I plan on going back. My experience is that you need 8-10 times the price quoted above to bang a classy, beautiful girl that does BBBJ and DFK (3000 grivnas). I personally don't have time, game or interest to pick up chicks on K street. May be it is possible but then they might as well bang you for free.

I want 3 sessions a day and one overnight. I don't want waste time looking for them. All of that is available but you have to pay.


I am not talking Rio or Buddha bar either. There it is even more expensive, and most of you know that.[/QUOTE]It's more complicated then just "paying for it" in Kiev. Sure, you can call Gia which is fine, but those girls have rubbed a jillion dicks. Not really the essence of Ukraine travel. Kiev is an investment. It starts with repeat travel, Mamba, VK, the spirit to go out at night, and most importantly, just not being shy.

[QUOTE=RogerThis;1929053]

When I went back to my hotel the three guys in suits were standing together right by the door. I smiled politely. Two of them looked away and the other one gave me a long hard look. I would have thought a cheap 3 star city hotel would be used to this. Perhaps they're just unhappy I didn't give them a couple of hundred to look the other way.

I give up on Ukraine for now. Maybe if I pay 1500 or 2000 I'll get proper service but I'm not going to take the chance. I'm off to Greece. (I'm sure Ukraine would be very rewarding if I went about it the right way, I don't mean to denigrate the country as a destination, but maybe my bad experiences can help others make better choices about how to approach it).

[/QUOTE]LOL, you know what's funny is, you really don't know how close you came, jesus! Idk, maybe you look like a young Chuck Norris or the mountain from Game of Thrones, but wow! No offense man, but get some street sense! Where you going next Kingston Jamaica, Johannesburg, Caracas. Or maybe San Salvador? (smile).