Kyiv

[QUOTE=RogerThis;1929053]I was staying in Hotel Kyiv. It's not bad. It's cheap. I called a girl on relaxportal. She looked hot, if it was her. She wanted 1000. There was a hotter girl with the same number who wanted 1500. I haven't seen that before. Anyway, I gave her my hotel room number, and she said she'd be there in half an hour. Half an hour later there was a knock on the door. Outside was a bloke in a suit. He said there was a girl for me downstairs. He said no. He didn't speak much English. Perhaps he wanted a bribe. I said, well, shall I come down and sort it out? He called reception and the receptionist explained that they don't let visitors in without ID. Like a fool I went down. The receptionist, the guy who had come to my room and another guy were all standing around in suits looking at me. The girl wasn't there. They said she was outside with her taxi. I went outside and found her. It wasn't the girl from the picture, not by a long way, but she was sort of OK in the dark and she was friendly and I was in the mood, so I got in the taxi with her. (She told me hotel Ukraine and hotel Dnipro are girl friendly.) We drove 5 minutes to a street off Maidan. She made a lot of funny finger signs at the driver. I guess she was saying "charge him too much and give me half later" he asked for 200, which is outrageous but what could I do stuck in a car with a tough driver and a hooker? We went upstairs, there were two other girls and a madam in the flat. The madam was actually the hottest. One of the girls was better than mine but I wasn't sure if I could swap. She sent me off to shower by myself.

Now this girl whose name is Lera and her pictures have long dark hair (I think there's a blonde Lera on relaxportal too) has absolutely the worst possible temperament to be a prostitute. She accepted no input from me about what to do. She started with a bad covered BJ. Then she got on top and started grinding away. Every time I tried to touch her she pushed my hand away roughly with her elbow. I moved my mouth towards her breasts. No kissing. After a couple of minutes she started sighing and muttering to herself and shaking her head. Under the circumstances I couldn't maintain an erection. As soon as she felt me getting soft she climbed off and after a lot of complaining about "not normal sex" she tried giving me a rough handjob. She went on sighing and muttering and after a few minutes she gave up. She spent a bit of time sitting on the bed sighing and swearing and looking at the wall, and a bit of time doing something with her phone, then she said time was up. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links on here? Her number in the URL on relaxportal is 15925. Keep away. She's nothing special to look at anyway.

When I went back to my hotel the three guys in suits were standing together right by the door. I smiled politely. Two of them looked away and the other one gave me a long hard look. I would have thought a cheap 3 star city hotel would be used to this. Perhaps they're just unhappy I didn't give them a couple of hundred to look the other way.

I give up on Ukraine for now. Maybe if I pay 1500 or 2000 I'll get proper service but I'm not going to take the chance. I'm off to Greece. (I'm sure Ukraine would be very rewarding if I went about it the right way, I don't mean to denigrate the country as a destination, but maybe my bad experiences can help others make better choices about how to approach it).

Incidentally, I'm a breast man. I find it frustrating when girls won't let me kiss or suck them. Some of these websites have long lists of what the girls will and won't do, but they never mention tit-sucking. I wonder why that is. I don't really need to know about anal fisting and crap (give) but I'd like to be able to pick a girl who'll let me suck her tits.

One last thing. I stayed earlier in Hotel Bratislava, another cheap but acceptable 3-star, by metro Darnitsa. They have a nightclub called something like Monsieur Gustave. The posters in the lift say it has a strip show with "extended crazy menu". I guess that means you can take girls out? Might be worth checking out. I only noticed it as I was coming down in the lift to check out. Too late.[/QUOTE]Thank you Roger for an honest report. Great information about the challenges a newbie may encounter in Kiev.

I'm a risk taker when in Kiev and one of the biggest problems for me was the terrible service provided by most of the easy to access cheap prostitutes. I never met so many girls so quick to buzzkill you once the cash is dropped. Smelly pussies, purposely so you would be disgusted, rough blow jobs, and every other mood killer. I like semi pros but they were hard to find on my last trip.

[QUOTE=Riina;1929321]It's more complicated then just "paying for it" in Kiev. Sure, you can call Gia which is fine, but those girls have rubbed a jillion dicks. Not really the essence of Ukraine travel. Kiev is an investment. It starts with repeat travel, Mamba, VK, the spirit to go out at night, and most importantly, just not being shy.[/QUOTE]Agree independent free lancers is the way to go and in any city those take time, effort and building connections. I did not use Gia either. Wanted to but did not have time.

My point is don't expect to land in Kiev and bang a gazelle model type for 400 Grivnas.

You could write a guide on how not to have fun in Kiev. You put yourself in a situation that you could not control, and you lost more control every step of the way. Your first mistake was staying at a hotel instead of an apartment. Then you got into a cab without knowing where you were going or settling the fare. And then you went to her place! By the time you got to be with the girl, she had already pegged you as a chump. I am sure the same girl would do her best if she knew her payment depended on it.

I once made all those mistakes, and worse. Now I ensure I am in control of the situation at every step. I stay at my own place. I clarify the service that will be provided, I meet the girl downstairs to make sure the is the same in the photo (or a reasonable replacement). I send them back if they are not. I kiss the when I meet, to judge their reaction and friendliness. And I only pay at the end. I have rejected girls at every stage, even once when we were already naked in bed, about to start, but she started to complain too much. Another time, a girl was just late, even after her initial one hour delay, and I phoned her to cancel, saying that I cannot wait for her all day. She said she was across the street, but I put my foot down. The next day, she came on time, and she had gained a new-found respect for me, and gave me mind-blowing sex.

Ukrainian girls are turned on by decisive, dominant men. Typical modern western men, who are submissive and accommodating, are viewed as weak. I was once travelling with a girl in Asia, and she was being difficult in the morning. I left her alone in the hotel, knowing that she would be too afraid to get lost if she went out. By the time I returned 3 hours later, she was very affectionate. The psychology of eastern European women is just different. Maybe all women are like that, but western ones, brainwashed by feminism, are too stubborn to just go with the feelings.

[QUOTE=RogerThis;1929053]I was staying in Hotel Kyiv. It's not bad. It's cheap. I called a girl on relaxportal. She looked hot, if it was her. She wanted 1000. There was a hotter girl with the same number who wanted 1500. I haven't seen that before. Anyway, I gave her my hotel room number, and she said she'd be there in half an hour. Half an hour later there was a knock on the door. Outside was a bloke in a suit. He said there was a girl for me downstairs. He said no. He didn't speak much English. Perhaps he wanted a bribe. I said, well, shall I come down and sort it out? He called reception and the receptionist explained that they don't let visitors in without ID. Like a fool I went down. The receptionist, the guy who had come to my room and another guy were all standing around in suits looking at me. The girl wasn't there. They said she was outside with her taxi. I went outside and found her. It wasn't the girl from the picture, not by a long way, ..........[/QUOTE]

You could write a guide on how not to have fun in Kiev. You put yourself in a situation that you could not control, and you lost more control every step of the way. Your first mistake was staying at a hotel instead of an apartment. You do not want big guys in dark suits to be the ones regulating your access to pussy. Then you got into a cab without knowing where you were going or settling the fare. And finally, you went to her place! By the time you got to be with the girl, she had already pegged you as a chump. I am sure the same girl would do her best if she knew her payment depended on it.

I once made all those mistakes, and worse. Now I ensure I am in control of the situation at every step. I stay at my own place. I clarify the service that will be provided, I meet the girl downstairs to make sure the is the same in the photo (or a reasonable replacement). I send them back if they are not. I kiss the when I meet, to judge their reaction and friendliness. And I only pay at the end. I have rejected girls at every stage, even once when we were already naked in bed, about to start, but she started to complain too much. Another time, a girl was just late, even after her initial one hour delay, and I phoned her to cancel, saying that I cannot wait for her all day. She said she was across the street, but I put my foot down. The next day, she came on time, and she had gained a new-found respect for me, and gave me mind-blowing sex.

Ukrainian girls are turned on by decisive, dominant men. Typical modern western men, who are submissive and accommodating, are viewed as weak. I was once travelling with a girl in Asia, and she was being difficult in the morning. I left her alone in the hotel, knowing that she would be too afraid to get lost if she went out. By the time I returned 3 hours later, she was very affectionate. The psychology of eastern European women is just different. Maybe all women are like that, but western ones, brainwashed by feminism, are too stubborn to just go with the feelings.

What else motivates them? Money! You can show them the money, but do not pay until the deed is done.

[QUOTE=RogerThis;1929053]I was staying in Hotel Kyiv. It's not bad. It's cheap. I called a girl on relaxportal. She looked hot, if it was her. She wanted 1000. There was a hotter girl with the same number who wanted 1500. I haven't seen that before. Anyway, I gave her my hotel room number, and she said she'd be there in half an hour. Half an hour later there was a knock on the door. Outside was a bloke in a suit. He said there was a girl for me downstairs. He said no. He didn't speak much English. Perhaps he wanted a bribe. I said, well, shall I come down and sort it out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stevie69;1931475]I once made all those mistakes, and worse. Now I ensure I am in control of the situation at every step. I stay at my own place. I clarify the service that will be provided, I meet the girl downstairs to make sure the is the same in the photo (or a reasonable replacement). I send them back if they are not. I kiss the when I meet, to judge their reaction and friendliness. And I only pay at the end. I have rejected girls at every stage, even once when we were already naked in bed, about to start, but she started to complain too much. Another time, a girl was just late, even after her initial one hour delay, and I phoned her to cancel, saying that I cannot wait for her all day. She said she was across the street, but I put my foot down. The next day, she came on time, and she had gained a new-found respect for me, and gave me mind-blowing sex.

Ukrainian girls are turned on by decisive, dominant men. Typical modern western men, who are submissive and accommodating, are viewed as weak. I was once travelling with a girl in Asia, and she was being difficult in the morning. I left her alone in the hotel, knowing that she would be too afraid to get lost if she went out. By the time I returned 3 hours later, she was very affectionate. The psychology of eastern European women is just different. Maybe all women are like that, but western ones, brainwashed by feminism, are too stubborn to just go with the feelings.[/QUOTE]This post is a must read. Thank you Stevie.

[QUOTE=Stevie69;1931475]...Your first mistake was staying at a hotel instead of an apartment. ...[/QUOTE]Kiev might be different from other cities then? In the Odessa discussion, they say that taking girls to any hotels is no problem whatsowever.

[QUOTE=MichiT;1931837]Kiev might be different from other cities then? In the Odessa discussion, they say that taking girls to any hotels is no problem whatsowever.[/QUOTE]You can take girls to most hotels, that's not the issue. The issue is that once you do, you are "marked". As stevie69 says, you have no control & things go. Well the way they generally go in corrupt countries. Most of the bad stuff gets hushed up, for obvious reasons, or certain words are used to aviod embarrasment. (example, strip club becomes "casino") Story below is a classic example.

[URL]http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/addiscombe-kidnap-victim-home-family-pay-ransom/story-11359138-detail/story.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Johneash;1931882]You can take girls to most hotels, that's not the issue. The issue is that once you do, you are "marked". As stevie69 says, you have no control & things go. Well the way they generally go in corrupt countries. Most of the bad stuff gets hushed up, for obvious reasons, or certain words are used to aviod embarrasment. (example, strip club becomes "casino") Story below is a classic example.

[URL]http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/addiscombe-kidnap-victim-home-family-pay-ransom/story-11359138-detail/story.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Oh wow, so how shall one act in Ukraine if one wants to order a girl and if they ask for hotel and room number? I ordered once in Romania a girl, she came directly knocking at my door. How about in Ukraine? I have in particular the cheaper hotels with a hotel lady on each floor and a guardian on ground floor in mind.

PS: I do not understand that story in the news paper. Why was that fat child kidnaped? He was harly mongering in Odessa, was he?

Together with my girlfriend we had relaxing experience in few massage parlors in Kiev.

Not at first time I will recommend Allure massage salon. Not the salon's interior, but it's staff and services! New red haired girl Alisa. Sweet, with pink pussy, but can only watch. Also she sold me professional Chinese massage (performed ebonite sticks), enjoyable. But better to have dynamic Nuru, hubba-hubba.

But what especially pleased. It is Yoni massage, that was sweetly-orgasmic for my girlfriend! I saw. To watch is also nice.

In short, we got into a Yoni trend for the ladies.

On attached pics you will see striptease and massage superstar Tina and their new girl Alisa.

Allure Salon, we thank you for your service. Ho-ho.

[QUOTE=MichiT;1931961]Oh wow, so how shall one act in Ukraine if one wants to order a girl and if they ask for hotel and room number? I ordered once in Romania a girl, she came directly knocking at my door. How about in Ukraine? I have in particular the cheaper hotels with a hotel lady on each floor and a guardian on ground floor in mind.

PS: I do not understand that story in the news paper. Why was that fat child kidnaped? He was harly mongering in Odessa, was he?[/QUOTE]You can do the same, the biggest agency in Ukraine has already paid off who needs to be paid. If you try to bring a girl from the street / small agency, you will have to give a "tip" hotel staff. Don't use cheaper hotels! Ever! You should avoid hotels & use apartments, imo. Yes he was mongering, LOL, there is no other reason for a guy & his "uncle" to be in Ukraine. He did not pay / tip who he was supposed to pay / tip & so, well they made him pay. Don't be the "fat child" is the moral of that story.

[QUOTE=Stevie69;1931475]You could write a guide on how not to have fun in Kiev. You put yourself in a situation that you could not control, and you lost more control every step of the way. Your first mistake was staying at a hotel instead of an apartment. Then you got into a cab without knowing where you were going or settling the fare. And then you went to her place! By the time you got to be with the girl, she had already pegged you as a chump. I am sure the same girl would do her best if she knew her payment depended on it.

I once made all those mistakes, and worse. .[/QUOTE]One more thing, cialis is much cheaper in Ukraine, bought 8 20 MG tablets box for 3400 grivna, better not to buy from pharmacies on Kreschatic or in the malls, they could be more expensive by 1000+ grivna... and whatever price they give u tell them another pharmacy u know is chaper, they may drop the price by 200+ grivna, pharmacies are like taxis too.

I always try to rent a flat in a building without an attendant

Keep in mind that with cheap hotels you are asking a girl to out herself as a prostitute. You can expect the bottom of the barrel with that road.

Cheap hotels are also a reflection of you. It's better that you dress shitty and have an apartment, then dress well and have a cheap room.

[QUOTE=Riina;1932591]Keep in mind that with cheap hotels you are asking a girl to out herself as a prostitute. You can expect the bottom of the barrel with that road.

Cheap hotels are also a reflection of you. It's better that you dress shitty and have an apartment, then dress well and have a cheap room.[/QUOTE]Wise words. It's the mindset of local girls and people in general. If you want to be cheap and on a tight budget, don't bother going to Kiev. You won't get what you want there. Stay home.

[QUOTE=Muddy7;1932543]One more thing, cialis is much cheaper in Ukraine, bought 8 20 MG tablets box for 3400 grivna, better not to buy from pharmacies on Kreschatic or in the malls, they could be more expensive by 1000+ grivna... and whatever price they give u tell them another pharmacy u know is chaper, they may drop the price by 200+ grivna, pharmacies are like taxis too.[/QUOTE]You can also buy the Indian version of Viagra in most pharmacies in the Ukraine. It is called Konagra and is (I think) about 200 UAH for (4) 50 MG tablets. 100 MG tablets are slightly more.

It is safe and effective using the same sildenafil citrate recipe as viagra. I have found that it works just the same as effectively.

[QUOTE=Russel4339;1932760]You can also buy the Indian version of Viagra in most pharmacies in the Ukraine. It is called Konagra and is (I think) about 200 UAH for (4) 50 MG tablets. 100 MG tablets are slightly more.

It is safe and effective using the same sildenafil citrate recipe as viagra. I have found that it works just the same as effectively.[/QUOTE]Yes the pharmacist told me, I saw it, but cialis works better on me, seems to last longer too.

Old article about rio:

[URL]http://vz.ua/news/14580-komprometiruyushchii_biznes_v_klube_rio_devushek_vtyagivayut_v_prostitutsiyu[/URL]