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[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1674621]Not really a nice report.

First, if you barfine a girl you should at least cum twice! If I barfine a girl for 3000 I am cumming thrice at least. You should try to average 500-1000 pesos per time. Anything else is overpaying. Why is overpaying bad? Well, barfines have risen about 50% in Angeles in the last 5 years. People will charge what people will pay. So, guys thinking it doesn't matter she needs it more than me, will in fact raise the price overall. You want to be nice take her shopping or buy her a gift, cash equals a hike in price but 1000 pesos for overnight plus some groceries for her family won't allow her to ask the next guy for 1000 pesos and some groceries. But 3000 pesos, in her mind will equal I can get 3000 pesos from the next guy. Tipping has already become the norm in Manila and if that happens in Angeles I am sure many guys will stop coming, like myself! If there was a set 15% tip I could budget it but every girl has a different idea of what the tip should be. It puts a real negative connotation on the whole experience. To be honest, I rarely discuss price with the girls and then after give them 500 pesos and some little gifts if I make them cum or 1000 pesos and no gifts if I can't make them cum. If I cum 3 times and she cums twice then I give 2000 and some gifts. Most girls want to see me again and are very happy with this. I rarely have found starfish in the Philippines (other countries yes) so the fact you didn't have one is nothing to report here. ABC has a good buffet every night from 5:15 - 10 pm, other than that they are overpriced and do not have a great location. My hotel is equal to ABC and is only 2500 pesos a night or 10,000 pesos a week. Penthouse is only 3000+ a night with the best location and the most romantic 24 hour poolside roof dining in all of Angeles. The food is good and cheap and the staff is amazing. Also ATM's are a ripoff and 1 500 Euro note in your sock is equal to about 25,000 pesos. One in each sock is 50,000 pesos. Including hotel and food I usually only average spending about 5000 pesos a day. So, I hope this advice helps!

MM[/QUOTE]Even Better report. Thanks for the Info.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1674621]Not really a nice report.

First, if you barfine a girl you should at least cum twice! If I barfine a girl for 3000 I am cumming thrice at least. You should try to average 500-1000 pesos per time. Anything else is overpaying. Why is overpaying bad? Well, barfines have risen about 50% in Angeles in the last 5 years. People will charge what people will pay. So, guys thinking it doesn't matter she needs it more than me, will in fact raise the price overall. You want to be nice take her shopping or buy her a gift, cash equals a hike in price but 1000 pesos for overnight plus some groceries for her family won't allow her to ask the next guy for 1000 pesos and some groceries. But 3000 pesos, in her mind will equal I can get 3000 pesos from the next guy. Tipping has already become the norm in Manila and if that happens in Angeles I am sure many guys will stop coming, like myself! If there was a set 15% tip I could budget it but every girl has a different idea of what the tip should be. It puts a real negative connotation on the whole experience. To be honest, I rarely discuss price with the girls and then after give them 500 pesos and some little gifts if I make them cum or 1000 pesos and no gifts if I can't make them cum. If I cum 3 times and she cums twice then I give 2000 and some gifts. Most girls want to see me again and are very happy with this. I rarely have found starfish in the Philippines (other countries yes) so the fact you didn't have one is nothing to report here. ABC has a good buffet every night from 5:15 - 10 pm, other than that they are overpriced and do not have a great location. My hotel is equal to ABC and is only 2500 pesos a night or 10,000 pesos a week...[/QUOTE]There is no quota. Cum to BF ratio. Each person does as he pleases.

Nothing you say will change the tide of people willing to pay. Most consider people like yourself "Cheap charlies" . Not that there is anything wrong with it. I personally don't care what or how a person spends their money.

But you have to realize too. A lot of guys come to AC to have fantasies. They want to be "Donald Trump" for a day. They want to feel what its like to have young girls gawking over them. Money (making it rain), drink and sex flowing freely. And AC provides a venue where a guy can do that easily without breaking the bank. That's the reason many come to AC is they can afford to live that "Fantasy" whether for a days or a week.

You can see all around AC. The new hotels being built are [B]not [/B]for "Budget" minded types. More and more upscale type guys are coming to AC. Budget guys like yourself eventually will be priced out, especially for the good looking girls.

Either you keep up. Or move on. But AC prices will continue to rise. That you can count on.

Enjoy it now. While you can.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1674621]Stop overpaying[/QUOTE]Why is he overpaying? Its his first time in AC, he barfined 2 girls and tipped them both 500 pesos. The bar charging him twice was the bar screwing him apparently but he wasn't clear. The FL girl he agreed to 2000 and Fero gave her 3000 instead I don't that is so bad.

Your orgasm calculus is interesting. If she fakes the O is it a deduction? You and I may want multiple pops but not everyone treats the BG like its the sex olympics. His report could have been originally written in Korean and he used Google translate heheh. A good report highlighting mistakes is always helpful.

[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1674274]Its nice to know that only BPI ATMs give out more than $100 per withdraw.[/QUOTE]I wasn't aware BPI had an ATM in Orchid Inn (or it Wild Orchid? So I stand corrected. BPI isn't aligned with my US Bank unfortunately. BDO also allows a 10,000 peso withdrawal BTW.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1674667]Why is he overpaying? Its his first time in AC, he barfined 2 girls and tipped them both 500 pesos. The bar charging him twice was the bar screwing him apparently but he wasn't clear. The FL girl he agreed to 2000 and Fero gave her 3000 instead I don't that is so bad.

Your orgasm calculus is interesting. If she fakes the O is it a deduction? You and I may want multiple pops but not everyone treats the BG like its the sex olympics. His report could have been originally written in Korean and he used Google translate heheh. A good report highlighting mistakes is always helpful.

I wasn't aware BPI had an ATM in Orchid Inn (or it Wild Orchid? So I stand corrected. BPI isn't aligned with my US Bank unfortunately. BDO also allows a 10,000 peso withdrawal BTW.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the dialogue since I'm traveling in a few weeks.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1674666]You can see all around AC. The new hotels being built are [B]not [/B]for "Budget" minded types. More and more upscale type guys are coming to AC. Budget guys like yourself eventually will be priced out, especially for the good looking girls.

Either you keep up. Or move on. But AC prices will continue to rise. That you can count on.

Enjoy it now. While you can.[/QUOTE]Rich guys go to Manila, much better girls and city.

By budget I mean: US Average income $3500 a month, girls about $100-$500ST, Philippines Average income is about $200 a month girls are about $20-$80ST (880-3500 p) but according to the rate of income it should only be about (250-1350 p). When I pay too much for something I feel foolish. So I give gifts or take them shopping if I like them.

Maybe you are right, time for a New AC, one where the bars don't take 60% of the barfine and a new city that has a nice beach and a safer environment.

MM

I visit the Philippines at least once a year. Sometimes twice. I spend close to $1,000 (US) on my flight. Sometimes more / sometimes less. And then another $100+ for direct transportation to and from the Manila Airport (because flying in and out of Clark internationally is a giant pain). I stay at either the Wild Orchid or Angeles Beach Club. Minimum stay is one week at around $100 a night (again. Give or take). So. Realistically speaking, I am dropping $2,000 before I so much as step foot in a bar and order my firs SML. I'm not a big fan of overpaying or getting ripped off, but I am definitely guilty of being a "temporary millionaire. " I budget around $200 a night for "fun" - which is way more than I need. But every so often I'll buy drinks for a handful of girls, the waitress and the mamasan. I don't need to. And I know this, but it's fun and the girls appreciate it. And yeah. I get to be the big man. (I've had numerous conversations with girls about how much they earn, how much they make from lady drinks, etc.). Believe me. They appreciate the lady drinks! I don't always tip. It really depends on if I'm fond of the girl, had a great time, and whether or not they ask (best way to not get a tip is to ask me for one). I hope to retire in AC in about a decade, so I'm not looking to drive the prices up. It's just that for those of us who only get to visit once or twice a year (and spend a ton to get there), this is our trip to Disney. I don't so much care about an extra $5 or $10. I should, but I just got ass raped by Delta for a grand (with gasoline prices lower than they've been since 1983) - what difference does $10 make? I do apologize to those lucky enough to be there full time. I do hope to join you. I do believe AC is big enough to accommodate all budgets and all types of mongers. Let's be honest. If you only want to spend 1,000 p you're not getting that spinner 10 - whether you live there or are visiting. So the bottom line is this. Know your budget, know what you're comfortable with, and create the experience that works for you. There are hotels that are perfectly good that cost half of what I pay. And you can go to Blow Row or Perimeter if you don't want to drop a small fortune at Dollhouse. AC is still amazing and I can't recommend it enough. Enjoy! (P.S. - Will be there early April. If anyone wants to meet up, I'll be upgrading my membership in the next few weeks. And will post again. Drop me a line then)!

[QUOTE=Pantot;1674272]You need to go to Macarthur to get a proper bank.[/QUOTE]Right next to the entrance of SM Mall there are several ATM's (4 or 5 if I recall correctly). I never had any problems getting cash there with my debit card.
And inside the mall there are some more ATM's.

Can be closer than Macarthur depending on where you stay.

[QUOTE=RumBuddy;1674161]I was born and raised in NYC and traveled many places. Nothing too hard to figure out in this Internet Age. I just wanted some mongers experience and advice.

[URL]http://www.swisschaletph.com/philippines/luzon/angeles_city/balibago/shopping_malls_banks_atm.htm[/URL][/QUOTE]
This site is a bit dated I think. It doesn't mention the ATM's at SM Mall for example.
The ATM next to Jollibee only accepts credit cards as far as I know. So expensive to withdraw cash there.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1674666]There is no quota. Cum to BF ratio. Each person does as he pleases.

Nothing you say will change the tide of people willing to pay. Most consider people like yourself "Cheap charlies" . Not that there is anything wrong with it. I personally don't care what or how a person spends their money.

But you have to realize too. A lot of guys come to AC to have fantasies. They want to be "Donald Trump" for a day. They want to feel what its like to have young girls gawking over them. Money (making it rain), drink and sex flowing freely. And AC provides a venue where a guy can do that easily without breaking the bank. That's the reason many come to AC is they can afford to live that "Fantasy" whether for a days or a week.

You can see all around AC. The new hotels being built are [B]not [/B]for "Budget" minded types. More and more upscale type guys are coming to AC. Budget guys like yourself eventually will be priced out, especially for the good looking girls.

Either you keep up. Or move on. But AC prices will continue to rise. That you can count on.

Enjoy it now. While you can.[/QUOTE]Funny thing happened around the world. Millions of drivers were paying over $4. 00 a gallon for gasoline. Acccording to some driving the price up towards $5. 00/ gallon. But the law of supply and demand rule again.

Pussy in AC actually cost less for the night than the price of a hotel room. MM should really be on the hotel room over payer to save more money.

I personally don't listen to anyone telling me how to spend my money unless they were the one helping me make it.

Barfines have been going up not because of someone overpaying but simply because the cost of business has been increasing for the bar owners.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1674818]Barfines have been going up not because of someone overpaying but simply because the cost of business has been increasing for the bar owners.[/QUOTE]Hell. The risk factor alone. Dictates an increase. In the past raids were fewer and only for UA violations. A bar simply paid and business as usual.

Now simply doing a BF can get a person jailed w / no bail, huge payoffs required or unlimited time in jail. One bar owner recently died while being held and another now has been in jail since last summer. Jail is no joke in the PI. Life as you know it has ended.

That alone is reason enough for bars to need cash reserves larger than before. Partly also for higher BF's.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1674818]Barfines have been going up not because of someone overpaying but simply because the cost of business has been increasing for the bar owners.[/QUOTE]You realise this is going to outrage the 'don't-ruin-it-for-all-of-us-by-overpaying' gang?

One thing I like about AC is that despite all the efforts over the past decade or so to move the town upmarket, it still has a really lively lower end. I can afford pretty much whatever I like these days but I still enjoy the simpler, cheaper bars. Partly nostalgia (because that's the way they all used to be in AC), partly just that I prefer the lack of pretension, both in the bar and in the girls who tend to work there. Sure the big show bars on Fields have lots of babes, but their attitudes are seldom as nice as you'll find on Perimeter. And often the sex isn't as good either.

So yes, prices will always go up, and anybody who wants to stay in this hobby for the next ten or 20 years needs to work out a cashflow plan to make it possible. But I don't see AC becoming like, say, Makati any time soon, if ever. And thank god for that.

[QUOTE=Betong;1674881]So yes, prices will always go up, and anybody who wants to stay in this hobby for the next ten or 20 years needs to work out a cashflow plan to make it possible. But I don't see AC becoming like, say, Makati any time soon, if ever. And thank god for that.[/QUOTE]Since you mention Makati compared to AC (never been AC and never will, I think). Where do you think the best looking stunners go? I am not even a bar man I only feast from FB these days (but initially datingsites or nightclubs) but I have amakati as my "home" away from home these days. I see pics every now and then from AC both here and on other forums and I believe quality runs after the money (always have always will). Me on the other hand donate still 3 k for LT play no matter what kind of girl lodging with me.

But it is fair you enjoy the not so "expensive" places (me thinks phils in general are very very very cheap but that is a hole different matter). I try not to ruin the market even if I don't play the bargirls game. 3 k they get and I never seen an unhappy face leaving my place (regular or working girl). I pride my act into chemistry building upfront be it through datingsite or meeting a stunner at a nightclub, never ever discuss prices. Maby they are acting, maybe they were bargirls off duty I don't know, but the world is developing and prices, as you say, will rice all over. Even if phils is slacking behind its fellow asian sistering/brothering countries in almost all aspects, I guess when it comes to money and prices, it will not surprise me if at least this aspect will develop faster than rest of the country in general. I finish with a LOL bcs in many ways I find phils laughable as the poor uneducated masses from whom the rich and famous(elected ones)feast from will get reelected and reelected until a real Samaritan comes to power.

On a side note; i lost count in how many video snaps i got from when pope Francis was visiting, some girls were obviously close to each other as well. Must have been a big happening viewing the papa driving around in his VW Sharan(was it armored)?? After his visit he was in a statement saying even if he objects to the use of condoms and other means to lower the birthrates "no need to fuck like rabbits"(he did not use the word fuck i know)..

Go Bayern Munich.

[QUOTE=Betong;1674881] But I don't see AC becoming like, say, Makati any time soon, if ever. And thank god for that.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be so sure. The Stardust is a Makati bar which has just opened in AC. Previously TAO. Its going to be exactly the same as the Makati bar. Show girls and BF prices START at 3000 p for the girls.

When one High roller bar take notice. It not long for others to follow. Look at the hotels being built. Everyone can see, times are changing and they are looking to take AC upscale. Santo's is essential dead as far as ST bars. The term "Blow road" does not apply any longer. Expats are trying to keep cheap perimeter bars alive. But they are dying a slow death. Rents are rising. How long they can keep BFs and drinks cheap enough to satisfy that crowd is going to be the problem.

Makati prices will soon soar thru the roof. The PI is being touted as the next Gambling Meca. Stealing some market share from Macau. This in turn will also affect prices in AC. Also building Casino's on Clark.

[B]Philippines Makes Play as a Gambling Mecca[/B]

[URL]http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303624004577341330278436226[/URL]

[B]caesars to build billion dollar casino in philippines[/B]

[URL]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-22/caesars-seeking-to-build-1-billion-casino-in-philippines-1-.html[/URL]

[B]Japanese Okada eyes 2015 opening of 2 billion dollar casino [/B]

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/business/2014/09/26/1373140/okada-eyes-2015-opening-2-b-casino[/URL]

[QUOTE=Betong;1674881]You realise this is going to outrage the 'don't-ruin-it-for-all-of-us-by-overpaying' gang?

One thing I like about AC is that despite all the efforts over the past decade or so to move the town upmarket, it still has a really lively lower end. I can afford pretty much whatever I like these days but I still enjoy the simpler, cheaper bars. Partly nostalgia (because that's the way they all used to be in AC), partly just that I prefer the lack of pretension, both in the bar and in the girls who tend to work there. Sure the big show bars on Fields have lots of babes, but their attitudes are seldom as nice as you'll find on Perimeter. And often the sex isn't as good either.

So yes, prices will always go up, and anybody who wants to stay in this hobby for the next ten or 20 years needs to work out a cashflow plan to make it possible. But I don't see AC becoming like, say, Makati any time soon, if ever. And thank god for that.[/QUOTE]But the math does not bear their case out. The good tippers are actually subsidizing the cheap charlies. Case in point. Grocery stores sell 100 P14 cans of sardines at low profit. To make up for it and to stay in business they must sell 10 P55 cans of sardines at a higher profit. Without the over payer / big tipper prices would actually increase. As usual in any group the CC scream the loudest, use up the most resources and have the biggest entitlement issues. Pretty close to welfare mentality in the US.

Yes, perimeter road is good but please don't tell anyone. You will ruin it for us!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1674957]But the math does not bear their case out. The good tippers are actually subsidizing the cheap charlies. Case in point. Grocery stores sell 100 P14 cans of sardines at low profit. To make up for it and to stay in business they must sell 10 P55 cans of sardines at a higher profit. Without the over payer / big tipper prices would actually increase. As usual in any group the CC scream the loudest, use up the most resources and have the biggest entitlement issues. Pretty close to welfare mentality in the US.

Yes, perimeter road is good but please don't tell anyone. You will ruin it for us![/QUOTE]I agree.

Yes in AC the 'big tipper ruining it' is a myth. In AC its not possible unless you are a fool.

I was surprised to learn that in Makati these days, the John must negotiate a large tip in advance in order to get the girl. I have to say my info on Makati is woefully out of date. My first few trips to the phils I never even darkened the door of a bar. My calender was full of regular girls I met in yahoo chats and then asianbabecams and asiancammmodels. My first exposure to bars was P Burgos before I even heard of AC. The prices started at 3500 and the girls were alot of mommas and the mamasans waitresses and BG would swarm you and hound you constantly. I had maybe 2 barfines and they were lame and at that point I pretty much gave up on the Phils bars in my mind.

Then I met a girl online from AC and made a reservation at the Orchid Inn knowing nothing about Fields. This was when W Orchid was under construction so maybe like 2006? After I was done with her I decided to check out the bars. My God it was like night and day. The selection was 100 X better than Burgos and prices were a fraction and the girls were not aggressive at all.

Todays AC prices are still way lower than Maktati was 9 years ago. And the tip is up to you. Maybe Burgos is the wrong part of Makati, maybe the selection and atmosphere has improved. I don't know and I don't care, AC is still great.

Back to the 'big tipper ruining it' myth.

In AC its virtually impossible. I have never discussed a tip in advance ever. I pull the money out when she is ready to walk out the door. She has no idea if its going to be a P20 note or P5,000 (its not don't worry).

I don't understand how a hurts me or the market.

The real statement the complainer is making is. Hey don't make me look bad when all I give the girl is trike fare and airline peanuts or nothing at all.

For Americans its alot more acceptable the tipping because its part of our culture, I can understand how people from other western countries don't warm up to it as easily.

The higher tips keep the pressure down on the rising barfines as a percentage of the girls overall wage.