[QUOTE=Dg8787;1674818]Barfines have been going up not because of someone overpaying but simply because the cost of business has been increasing for the bar owners.[/QUOTE]You forgot "PInoY LoGiK": Fewer customers = raise the prices.
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;1674818]Barfines have been going up not because of someone overpaying but simply because the cost of business has been increasing for the bar owners.[/QUOTE]You forgot "PInoY LoGiK": Fewer customers = raise the prices.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1674188]Best time is early Afternoon to evening, after that pickings are slims. The earlier you get there the better.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Katarakt;1674189]Perimeter bars are indeed spread apart, I would suggest to take a trike from bar cluster to bar cluster. [/QUOTE]Guys,
Thanks for replying (plus Socker via Private Message) - loads of useful info. Very keen for some afternoon action so will definitely pay some of the bars you mention a visit.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1674956]I wouldn't be so sure. The Stardust is a Makati bar which has just opened in AC. Previously TAO. Its going to be exactly the same as the Makati bar. Show girls and BF prices START at 3000 p for the girls.
[/QUOTE]Yes and if you know Stardust in Makati (before, it was named Foxys, and the first Stardust was originally in the vacant corner lot that mysteriously burnt down) you will know that its a big space with a few punters and some ocassionally good looking ladies but generally not.
I'm not what Stardust brings to the AC table but it isn't exactly Spankys or Babydolls standards.
Stardust in AC might be decorating with a fine look, but theres hundreds of other bars with which it competes, and as said the Makati business model doesn't exactly set the world on fire.
I miss the old Foxys / Stardust that had two private rooms upstairs. One fine night, was with a mate celebrating his birthday in one of the private rooms.
We had four girls and all of us were basically naked.
Ordered some pizzas from outside and the delivery boy comes up to the private room to deliver. Look on his face. Priceless!
Getting money is important to mongering LOL.
No money. No Honey!.
Unlike "MM" my country doesn't have large denomination as 500 eros. So got to use them evil ATMs.
I checked out BDO & BPI.
BDO ATMs also accept Cards with the following logos:
[URL]https://www.bdo.com.ph/personal/ebanking/atm-banking[/URL]
BPI:
[URL]https://www.mybpimag.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=159&Itemid=189[/URL]
Pantot I guess I'll have to use BDO also LOL.
[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1675230]Getting money is important to mongering LOL.
No money. No Honey!.
Unlike "MM" my country doesn't have large denomination as 500 eros. So got to use them evil ATMs.
I checked out BDO & BPI.
BDO ATMs also accept Cards with the following logos:
[URL]https://www.bdo.com.ph/personal/ebanking/atm-banking[/URL]
BPI:
[URL]https://www.mybpimag.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=159&Itemid=189[/URL]
Pantot I guess I'll have to use BDO also LOL.[/QUOTE]You may want to make a trip to CiTibank as the max is 30000 as opposed to 10 or 15 like the others. Since the fee is per transaction, you could save a lot.
[QUOTE=Pantot;1675034]I agree.
Yes in AC the 'big tipper ruining it' is a myth. [/QUOTE]It's not a myth. It may have no bearing on the actual price of business, but it certainly effect the girls' attitudes.
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1675261]It's not a myth. It may have no bearing on the actual price of business, but it certainly effect the girls' attitudes.[/QUOTE]I'd agree. When tipping becomes the norm, attitudes get snotty. OTOH, barfine price increases and nice new establishments probably have more to do with an influx of well-moneyed (korean) guests, as opposed to tipping.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1674880]Hell. The risk factor alone. Dictates an increase. In the past raids were fewer and only for UA violations. A bar simply paid and business as usual.
Now simply doing a BF can get a person jailed w / no bail, huge payoffs required or unlimited time in jail. One bar owner recently died while being held and another now has been in jail since last summer. Jail is no joke in the PI. Life as you know it has ended.
That alone is reason enough for bars to need cash reserves larger than before. Partly also for higher BF's.[/QUOTE]Yet they stay in the business. The rewards must continue to outweigh those risks.
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1674060]A topic covered many times in the threads. RTTF.[/QUOTE]Several money changers are located a few steps down the road from Margarita Station. Your hotel employee may be able to to direct you however the hotel won't give you a good exchange rate. Some people use ATM machines but they have a separate charge of perhaps 200 P. I was once strapped for cash and had to get a cash advance from my credit card. The credit card company dishonored my card because it suspected fraud on account of my PI location. Better to warn your credit card company in advance of your travel plans. . Oh and by the way, generally ignore the RTFF Patrol whose members troll the forum looking for opportunities to scold posters with a "RTTF" jibe.
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1675261]It's not a myth. It may have no bearing on the actual price of business, but it certainly effect the girls' attitudes.[/QUOTE]No one has has answered the simple question I posed.
In AC I assume one fact. The girl has no idea what your tip will be until she is fully dressed and ready to leave. So how can performance be affected?
If pouty lips as she heads off ruins your experience, well sorry. Stop promising tips in advance and your problems will evaporate.
If you are negotiating a tip beforehand in AC, you are obviously with a girl who doesn't want to go with you so you are sort of in a pleading mode. That's not necessary really, When I get the vibe the girl isn't attracted to me I move on- that sea is full of wiling fish. Promising more $$ up front won't increase the GFE with a typical first time AC BF.
If you are an expat comparing 2015 AC to 1990's AC (from what I have read) then yes the girls have more power over the BF experience.
But compared to the rest of the Phils, where the AC barfine + a 'big tip' is still the minimum up front for an attractive nubile female, its still a bargain.
[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1674621]Not really a nice report.
First, if you barfine a girl you should at least cum twice! If I barfine a girl for 3000 I am cumming thrice at least. You should try to average 500-1000 pesos per time. Anything else is overpaying. [/QUOTE]You are probably right, but I just don't have the stamina for a three-timer. I tried it in Singapore, and had trouble cumming at all the next evening, the 3rd time just felt like a chore. But yeah, next time I'll probably try going for twice at least as I'm sure I can squeeze in a morning quickie before they leave. Overall I felt that once was enough when having a new girl every day.
[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1674621]Why is overpaying bad? Well, barfines have risen about 50% in Angeles in the last 5 years. People will charge what people will pay. So, guys thinking it doesn't matter she needs it more than me, will in fact raise the price overall. You want to be nice take her shopping or buy her a gift, cash equals a hike in price but 1000 pesos for overnight plus some groceries for her family won't allow her to ask the next guy for 1000 pesos and some groceries. But 3000 pesos, in her mind will equal I can get 3000 pesos from the next guy. Tipping has already become the norm in Manila and if that happens in Angeles I am sure many guys will stop coming, like myself! If there was a set 15% tip I could budget it but every girl has a different idea of what the tip should be. It puts a real negative connotation on the whole experience. To be honest, I rarely discuss price with the girls and then after give them 500 pesos and some little gifts if I make them cum or 1000 pesos and no gifts if I can't make them cum. If I cum 3 times and she cums twice then I give 2000 and some gifts. Most girls want to see me again and are very happy with this. I rarely have found starfish in the Philippines (other countries yes) so the fact you didn't have one is nothing to report here.
[/QUOTE]With regards to bargirl tip I had read that 500 was the norm for bargirls for LT, is that not the case?
With regard to the semi-pro, you are probably correct that I overpaid. But I don't really regret it although I do apologize if I ruin it for everyone else. I tried reducing it slightly in Cebu, but still overpaid quit a bit. Next trip I may try to reduce it even more, although with just three weeks of vacation a year I value my time more than my money and don't mind overpaying a bit if it means less wasted time or less hazzle for me.
Not quite sure I agree completely with your calculation, as for me its more about the entire experience and not just how many times I cum or she cum. Even if I somehow ended up with no pops I would still tip if I had a good time.
[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1674621]ABC has a good buffet every night from 5:15 - 10 pm, other than that they are overpriced and do not have a great location. My hotel is equal to ABC and is only 2500 pesos a night or 10,000 pesos a week. Penthouse is only 3000+ a night with the best location and the most romantic 24 hour poolside roof dining in all of Angeles. The food is good and cheap and the staff is amazing. Also ATM's are a ripoff and 1 500 Euro note in your sock is equal to about 25,000 pesos. One in each sock is 50,000 pesos. Including hotel and food I usually only average spending about 5000 pesos a day. So, I hope this advice helps![/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice, what hotel is that? Do they have rooms with Jacuzzi?
One of the main reasons for choosing ABC was the free car service and the fact that it was the only one I remembered the name of. Made some last minute change to my plans due to Typhoon Ruby hitting Cebu and actually booked the plane tickets an hour before leaving and the hotel after arriving at Clark.
Any of the other hotels have a similar car service? Or any good reliable taxi services available? I guess it's not that much need for it if the hotel is within safe walking distance of Fields Avenue, but I still like to do other things during the day and early evening, like head over to one of the malls.
[QUOTE=Pantot;1674667]Why is he overpaying? Its his first time in AC, he barfined 2 girls and tipped them both 500 pesos. The bar charging him twice was the bar screwing him apparently but he wasn't clear. The FL girl he agreed to 2000 and Fero gave her 3000 instead I don't that is so bad.[/QUOTE]Well, to be fair, it was the girl screwing me, not the bar. The bar gave me the tab, including the barfine and the girl later decided to exploit the fact that I was new in town to claim it was for drinks only. I chalk edit down as my own fault for not checking the tab before paying, and for not checking the currency rates to see how much I was actually paying.
That said, I did find Grand Pharao rather pushy with regards to LD trying to push me into buying drinks for 4-5 girls at a time. In comparison Club Asia brought over just one girl, and before buying the first drink the mamasan clearly explained how much the LD cost and if I was sure I wanted to buy one. I appreciated this approach and are more likely to return, although the sheer number of talents in Grand Pharao probably will still have me return if in town.
I don't really consider the 500 p tip to be overpaying, from what I had read in advance that seemed to be the norm for LT in Angeles?
With regard to the freelancer, I clearly overpaid even though I can't say that I regret it much. I hadn't really done the research so I just took the 3000 barfine from the day before and deducted 1000 p for the bar cut. When I asked how much such she had gotten the previous times she said 3000, could be true, could be lies, but I didn't want to feel like a cheap charlie over 1000 p that didn't really mean much to me, so I figured whatever, here's 3000. I even gave her some chocolate on top of that increasing the total to around 3500.
Maybe I ruin it for everyone else, and I'm sorry if that happens. Reality is that in a week or two the girl will be broke again, and yes, she may expect and negotiate for 2-3000, but she will still be more than happy with 1000 p if it means being able to provide milk for her kid for another couple of weeks.
[QUOTE=Pantot;1674667]A good report highlighting mistakes is always helpful.[/QUOTE]I use this forum as a way to prepare and know what to expect. Learning from others mistakes is one of the best ways to learn what not to do, and this is why I feel it's important to highlight any mistakes so they may help others avoid the same situation.
[QUOTE=WillWorth;1674728]I visit the Philippines at least once a year. Sometimes twice. I spend close to $1,000 (US) on my flight. Sometimes more / sometimes less. And then another $100+ for direct transportation to and from the Manila Airport (because flying in and out of Clark internationally is a giant pain). I stay at either the Wild Orchid or Angeles Beach Club. Minimum stay is one week at around $100 a night (again. Give or take). So. Realistically speaking, I am dropping $2,000 before I so much as step foot in a bar and order my firs SML. I'm not a big fan of overpaying or getting ripped off, but I am definitely guilty of being a "temporary millionaire. " I budget around $200 a night for "fun" - which is way more than I need. But every so often I'll buy drinks for a handful of girls, the waitress and the mamasan. I don't need to. And I know this, but it's fun and the girls appreciate it. And yeah. I get to be the big man. (I've had numerous conversations with girls about how much they earn, how much they make from lady drinks, etc.). Believe me. They appreciate the lady drinks! I don't always tip. It really depends on if I'm fond of the girl, had a great time, and whether or not they ask (best way to not get a tip is to ask me for one). I hope to retire in AC in about a decade, so I'm not looking to drive the prices up. It's just that for those of us who only get to visit once or twice a year (and spend a ton to get there), this is our trip to Disney. I don't so much care about an extra $5 or $10. I should, but I just got ass raped by Delta for a grand (with gasoline prices lower than they've been since 1983) - what difference does $10 make? I do apologize to those lucky enough to be there full time. I do hope to join you. I do believe AC is big enough to accommodate all budgets and all types of mongers. Let's be honest. If you only want to spend 1,000 p you're not getting that spinner 10 - whether you live there or are visiting. So the bottom line is this. Know your budget, know what you're comfortable with, and create the experience that works for you. There are hotels that are perfectly good that cost half of what I pay. And you can go to Blow Row or Perimeter if you don't want to drop a small fortune at Dollhouse. AC is still amazing and I can't recommend it enough. Enjoy! (P.S. - Will be there early April. If anyone wants to meet up, I'll be upgrading my membership in the next few weeks. And will post again. Drop me a line then)![/QUOTE]Pretty much the same way I feel. I only have 2-3 weeks of vacation time a year, so my time is worth more than my money to me. If overpaying means having a better time, or just not feeling like a cheap charlie, then it's worth it to me. That said I don't consider myself a two-week millionaire. I don't invite entire tables of girls over for LDs, but I don't mind being overly generous towards my date for the night either.
I'm not sure how the ratio is in Angeles, but my (ex-) bargirl friend in Cebu told me they get 50 p commission off a 250 p LD, and 1500/2000 p commission off the 3000 p barfine, so I generally prefer to give the money as tip directly to the girl, rather than having most of it go to the bar.
[QUOTE=AliasDonkey;1675230]Getting money is important to mongering LOL.
No money. No Honey!.
Unlike "MM" my country doesn't have large denomination as 500 eros. So got to use them evil ATMs.
I checked out BDO & BPI.
BDO ATMs also accept Cards with the following logos:
[URL]https://www.bdo.com.ph/personal/ebanking/atm-banking[/URL] .
BPI:
[URL]https://www.mybpimag.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=159&Itemid=189[/URL]
Pantot I guess I'll have to use BDO also LOL.[/QUOTE]You can also send yourself money from your bank account via Western Union and Money gram online. They only charge $2. 99 per transaction. The max you can send per transaction is $2999.99. They payout in USD also. This is a lot cheaper then using the ATM.
[QUOTE=Ej2208;1675572]You can also send yourself money from your bank account via Western Union and Money gram online. They only charge $2. 99 per transaction. The max you can send per transaction is $2999.99. They payout in USD also. This is a lot cheaper then using the ATM.[/QUOTE]I believe it is cheaper than the ATM. But depending on the amount, maybe not. At the current exchange rate of about p44 / $1, sending $100 via WU should net you p4400 (you pay $2. 99 for the transaction). But you will get considerably less than p4400 at the WU pickup window in phils. WU has a statement when transferring money in any format that says something like: "In addition to the fee we charge, we also make money utilizing the exchange rate".
Is there a way to tell what the WU exchange rate is today? P40 / $1 ?