Angeles City

[QUOTE=Gntlman Mongr]A few nights ago as I was walking down a-santos going back to my hotel with a young lady I noticed quite a number of police cars with their lights going and a bit of a cumotion going on. [/QUOTE]

They ALWAYS use the lights, that's what they're there for, diba...LOL. The tourist police's vehicle looks more dilapidated each day. They solved the problem with the sliding door, though, by simply removing it once and for all.

Unfortunately there is still a lot of streetwalkers, including HIV+ ones. Another problem is the hordes of baklas cruising the streets. They are obvioulsy attracting more and more gay/bisexual mongers to AC. I'm will not be surprised if this will show up in the HIV stats sooner or later. As several posters mentioned condom usage is often optional...

Another question.

Can anyone share with me if race/ethnicity has played a role in your ability to get quality girls? I am a Brazilian living in Canada but everyone thinks I look Indian (I. E. Someone from Delhi or Bangalore). I know that there are a few Indians in PI and I didn't think they were well liked. Is this a factor for me to consider?

Regards,

Indy

[QUOTE=Amavida]There is nothing much to see or do except visit bars.[/QUOTE]
Contrariwise, there is plenty to do in the Angeles area during the day:[list][*]Five shopping malls within a 20 minute drive including Apo street market (2 kms from Fields, fridays only).[*]Several casinos open 24/7.[*]Five golf courses.[*]Day treks to Mount Arayat and Pinatubo.[*]Scenic flights over the area.[*]Numerous places to get a massage.[*]Go see the dentist and/or optometist.[*]Rent a scooter.[*]Go to the gym.[*]Many historical sites and musems.[/list]

I appreciate your cultural lecture. I been officially living in the Philipines for 15 years now. Any questions ask me, I might be able to answer or point you in the right direction.

Sincerely

[QUOTE=Amavida]Its a cultural & demographics thing.

The girls in AC seem to be newer on the scene.

Girl next door types with no other option. (They all have similar life stories, had to leave school at an early age because of death of family bread winner, they are denied the chance to get an education to give them even a slim shot at a decent job. They then drift through a series of low paid jobs or are quite simply sent to AC by their families to try to earn money)

Condoms are associated with prostitutes.
They don't yet think of themselves as prostitutes.
Quid pro quo..

The government departments in Phils are corrupt & highly inefficient, I doubt you could rely on anything they say.

In an area like AC with a large number of girls having unprotected sex with sex tourists... well... you do the math...

None of he girls I was with offered to use protection from STD's.
Only one was taking contraceptive pill.
All of them stated that they go for regular testing organised by their mamasans. If they are menstruating then obviously they miss out on the test so the girl waits until the next test scheduled for her. Think about it...

I doubt the testing is comprehensive or reliable.

Happy Mongering
Amavida[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Indy Hundred]Another question.

Can anyone share with me if race/ethnicity has played a role in your ability to get quality girls? I am a Brazilian living in Canada but everyone thinks I look Indian (I. E. Someone from Delhi or Bangalore). I know that there are a few Indians in PI and I didn't think they were well liked. Is this a factor for me to consider?

Regards,

Indy[/QUOTE]

I live in Phils & have family there, I have observed some racism in phils against various races/ethnicities. It seems to be an individual thing. if a girl does'nt like you, move on, there's millions more to choose from.

A lot of women ask me if Im asian (caucasian with one chinese cousin) but it sure has'nt stopped them.

Maybe Ricanstud or Mattrick could share their wisdom with us?

Happy Mongering
Amavida

[QUOTE=Indy Hundred]Another question.

Can anyone share with me if race/ethnicity has played a role in your ability to get quality girls? I am a Brazilian living in Canada but everyone thinks I look Indian (I. E. Someone from Delhi or Bangalore). I know that there are a few Indians in PI and I didn't think they were well liked. Is this a factor for me to consider?

Regards,

Indy[/QUOTE]
When I see gals dancing on stage, the girl(s) who keeps looking at you are more than likely willing to go home with you. The ones who keeps looking over your head is not worth the time. Sometimes it's a race thing, sometimes it's a hygiene thing. I've notice some girls will take in a big breath of air while near my chest. I realized they're just checking for body order. I know some guys complain about racism but in some cases it's just plain old BO instead of race. In my experience, attitude and appearance will play a larger role than race. I've seen mongers walking around barefoot and shirtless smelling like a wet dog. You can win most gals over by treating them with a little respect despite their job title.

DS has some good posts, but in this case, I don't have the same findings as he does.

I also feel annoyed at those ladies who look over your head (usually into a mirror), and much prefer the ladies who make eye contact. Nevertheless, some are shy and some are sly/coy. If you make that extra effor to engage a lady that is is seemingly uninterested/ aloof / stuck up....you might be surprised at the results. Yes, soom will be "taken", too good for you, or on her period, or cherry, or had a long night the night/morning before....but you'll also find some who want to be treated like ladies and expect the man to make the first move.

I've had some great expriences with some of the ones who didn't seem initially interested. I'm not sure what's happening there, but one theory is that they want to be picked up in a "normal" way. Guy chases girl, rather that bikini clad wench offerring herself to a bar full of lechers. :-)

"taken" can mean several things, btw. Although they are dancing, they might already have a guy / drink / seat somewhere in the bar.

And often the ones trying to make eye contact with me, are the fugly ones. I guess it works both ways.

Also, I like walking. And I sweat a lot. I often wear a bandanna and/ or have a hankerchief to wipe the sweat off. I've had bar girls take a sopping wet hankerchief or bandanna out of my hand to help me wipe the sweat off. I usually don't smell (depends on how long I've been sweating), but seems pretty gross anyway. Telling a lady you want to take a shower can be a pretty good line if you follow up with, "Would you like to join me?"

X

Oh, last few posts focused on race, so I'm a whitey, 40ish, bald, 6mo preggie and "gwapo".



[QUOTE=Darth Sushi]When I see gals dancing on stage, the girl(s) who keeps looking at you are more than likely willing to go home with you. The ones who keeps looking over your head is not worth the time. Sometimes it's a race thing, sometimes it's a hygiene thing. I've notice some girls will take in a big breath of air while near my chest. I realized they're just checking for body order. I know some guys complain about racism but in some cases it's just plain old BO instead of race. In my experience, attitude and appearance will play a larger role than race. I've seen mongers walking around barefoot and shirtless smelling like a wet dog. You can win most gals over by treating them with a little respect despite their job title.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]DS has some good posts, but in this case, I don't have the same findings as he does.

I also feel annoyed at those ladies who look over your head (usually into a mirror), and much prefer the ladies who make eye contact. Nevertheless, some are shy and some are sly/coy. If you make that extra effor to engage a lady that is is seemingly uninterested/ aloof / stuck up....you might be surprised at the results. Yes, soom will be "taken", too good for you, or on her period, or cherry, or had a long night the night/morning before....but you'll also find some who want to be treated like ladies and expect the man to make the first move.

I've had some great expriences with some of the ones who didn't seem initially interested. I'm not sure what's happening there, but one theory is that they want to be picked up in a "normal" way. Guy chases girl, rather that bikini clad wench offerring herself to a bar full of lechers. :-)

"taken" can mean several things, btw. Although they are dancing, they might already have a guy / drink / seat somewhere in the bar.

And often the ones trying to make eye contact with me, are the fugly ones. I guess it works both ways.

Also, I like walking. And I sweat a lot. I often wear a bandanna and/ or have a hankerchief to wipe the sweat off. I've had bar girls take a sopping wet hankerchief or bandanna out of my hand to help me wipe the sweat off. I usually don't smell (depends on how long I've been sweating), but seems pretty gross anyway. Telling a lady you want to take a shower can be a pretty good line if you follow up with, "Would you like to join me?"

X

Oh, last few posts focused on race, so I'm a whitey, 40ish, bald, 6mo preggie and "gwapo".[/QUOTE]

Yeah X I agree, Its my experience also that most girls want to be treated like you're courting a girl friend not buying a piece of meat in the deli.
None of the girls i pulled out of bars in AC last week made eye contact, they all seemed to be just shuffling to the music & far away mentally.

One of the girls (Monica) was on her period but she came with me anyway when i said it was ok with me... so that is not always the real reason.
Some of the girls have emotional entanglements & cant bear the thought of being done by some stranger.

In general I had no problems getting what i wanted.

I did have a brief experience in Atlantis where the mama brought an extremely red hot looking 19yr old eurasian over to me without my request. I bought her a drink & tried hard to make conversation but it was just so obvious that she felt she was being pushed into it that i lost interest & tossed her back.

Can you imagine trying to talk to someone who makes no eye contact & replies to every attempt at conversation with 'what?' and a forced smile..
I did'nt waste time worrying what her story was, many more to choose from.

Happy Mongering
Amavida

Here is my take on this,
1. Most of these girls in AC are recruited from the provinces by mamasans.
They are given a rosy picture of prostituition including big money, good quality of life, lots of friends , life is a party, very good chance of getting a foreign boyfriend with money who will support you for life , no need to go with a guy who you do not like etc.

2. The young girls I have barfined always tell me they do not like this life and they want a boyfriend to take care of them and they like to go back home. I am sure all of you have heard this.

3. More time they spend in AC they start finding out the reality of life and get jaded. Mamasans frown upon a girl who does not get barfined because everybody is loosing money. They will exert subtle pressure on the girl.

4. The girls soon find out the men who promised them everything including marriage and guaranteed support for life is out of the window.

5. If you wonder why they are so mechanical is day in and day out they see lots of men from different nationalities. They learned from experience being nice is not always productive.

6. Having said this there are some girls who really enjoy what they are doing and they have learned the art of making men happy. These are the ones who make most of the money.

7. As to discrimination it is just a matter of attraction between sexes. Some like asian , some like caucasian, some like black etc. If a girl does not show any interest in you there are many other girls in other clubs. It should be not be taken as a personal insult.

It happened recently in AC. This day was really no good day. For whatever reason, I was still without a girl at my side when we approached past 2 AM. So I went into a bar and saw a nice girl. Well, her body was nice, the face was rather cute. I called her and offered a drink. The waitress, however, was even more attractive than the dancer. So, I chatted with both. We had some more drinks, and the later it went, I thought I should barfine the pretty waitress. Ok, after about an hour (too long anyhow...), I told the waitress that I want to BF her. She replied that she cannot come with me, since she had the period. Then, well, I asked the dancer. But she claimed to have the period as well. I was definitely pissed off. I don't stink, I have even a good perfume after the shower, I am pretty ok, I care a lot about my body, I wear clean clothes, we had a good conversation. But why the hell, they claim to have the period and don't want to join??

So, I told them that I don't believe any word they say! They were both pretty puzzled. But then, they told me: "We show you, if you want to see!" And I wanted! So, we went to their change room. There, they both lowered their panties and showed me the pad inside - full of blood!! My god, I must have looked pretty stupid. They really had their period! I apologized and told them that I am coming back after a few days, when it's all over.

Then, it was too late to go to any of the bars. I walked towards Blue Nile, but it was just closing, and many girls coming out. I get into a chat with four of them. Two pretty ones and two ugly ones. They convince me to have a "dinner" at Jollybee first, and then, they come to my hotel. So far, so fine. Then we had an early - or late - dinner at the fast food restaurant. I think, I paid 300 Peso, no big deal. When we left, I told them that I can take only two. My hotel wouldn't allow for more. In fact, I just wanted to avoid the ugly ones. I pointed at the two pretty ones, but then the prettier of the pretty ones said that the other one - had the period!! Ok, this time I did not want to check on the street! In any case, on average one out of four girls is indeed in the period... Then, I said, ok so I take only one! But now, the problem started. The prettiest did not want to come with me alone. It was either because I stayed at the Clarkton (the girls tell some stories about a ghost of a murdered girl that is going around in that hotel) or because they wanted to show solidarity among them. They even told me that the ugly one can stay in the toilet, if I don't want her... But I found it all by far too troublesome.

So, this night, I went home alone and had a very good, deep and long sleep!

Wonderer - wondering about the funny girls in AC

[QUOTE=X Man] ... I've had bar girls take a sopping wet hankerchief or bandanna out of my hand to help me wipe the sweat off ... [/QUOTE]


yes, and some of them are really great! Once I was sitting with a cuty from Nero's over a cup of coffee in Margarita Station. Since I was sweating like hell she all of sudden went out, purchased one of these small towels and pampered my like a toddler then! :) I was, however, most touched! That's the real service, isn't it? :)


Cheers - Hesekiels

Hope it's OK to post the link. Always good info.

[url]http://www.margarita-station.com/newsletters/feb08/[/url]

Slim

[QUOTE=Indy Hundred]Another question.

Can anyone share with me if race/ethnicity has played a role in your ability to get quality girls? I am a Brazilian living in Canada but everyone thinks I look Indian (I. E. Someone from Delhi or Bangalore). I know that there are a few Indians in PI and I didn't think they were well liked. Is this a factor for me to consider?

Regards,

Indy[/QUOTE]Nope, there are no problems in that front. I can vouch for that. In fact there have been instances where they seem to like the fact that Indian origin folks were there. As someone says, if you get a problem, move on as they are plenty of girls there.

I have had plenty of reports of certain girls not liking certain nationals because of perceived problems or previous encounters.

Be nice, treat them fair and courteously and you will reap the rewards.

[QUOTE=Nvslim]Hope it's OK to post the link. Always good info.

[url]http://www.margarita-station.com/newsletters/feb08/[/url]

Slim[/QUOTE]Uhhhh Ok, maybe I misunderstood some stuff. Barfining is "illegal" in Angeles? That whole article somewhat confused me, sounds like America raiding clubs etc... So, I assume discretion is best when conducting that activity? I don't want to get busted on my cherry trip.

It's been a long time since I looked at the FAQ page, but my memory was that Jackson doesn't want URLs that directly compete with his advertising base. Also been a long time since I looked at the front page, but it was, and probably still is, sex related advertising.

In that case you are in a grey area since the newsletter will take you to some sexy pics and what not. But they are basically AC bars and that's what AC is. Harry the Horse also has an online newsletter for AC. Although he unnecessarily plugs in very conservative politics, it's a good site for getting the vibe of AC from an expat living on site.

I personally can't find any URL that comes close to providing the info that this site does. The focus is on women, but you can learn a lot about travel, culture, hotels, restaurants etc. I gave up on "virtual tourist" because I could usually get far better info here.

I guess someone could go ask J for clarification, but why fix something that isn't broken?

X

As for the "guy" who seemed to misunderstand the newsletter:
1) Get a new handle so that people can remember your name. (joking)
2) The topic you seem to misunderstand has been here at ISG for a week or more. It has been dissected considerably. WHat is it that you don't understand? The people at risk are the bars / bar owners, as far as I know.


[QUOTE=Nvslim]Hope it's OK to post the link. Always good info.

[url]http://www.margarita-station.com/newsletters/feb08/[/url]

Slim[/QUOTE]