German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Kimino; 1408015]I get some kind of weak protection but we have to pay on average 52% to the gang. But that's not for some months or years, it's for life. Nobody comes to fetch me in a luxurious car when I finish working and can't upsell anal because it's supposed to be included. If I don't pay, my house can be taken away from me and I could even get in jail. Knowing 3 languages (for which the learning cost was deducted by the remaining 48%) and being able to do my paperwork didn't help.

To live, I sell my body. Invested in my brain so I'm hiring that, but maybe selling other parts could have been more lucrative. Who knows.

Not Disneyland.

Kimino[/QUOTE]Kimino,

Very good way to show the reversal of fortune for the wage slave. Maybe these girls never had it so good to making the money on their backs instead of sitting for 12 hour day in front of a glowing screen. I mean running around naked all day in a luxurious club sounds rather better than wearing a stuffy suit and tie in a windowless air conditioned box in the inner city where one has less space than a man in the prison cell.

As a few girls have said to me when asked, including Szyzgies's Lavinina / Anna at Oase, the girls at World in the gang of Simona, the other girls at Oase and Mainhattan girls in the gang of the German girls, that it is better for the monger to take the clubs for what it is. We come here to enjoys the sex and pay for it and then we go home to our loved ones and forget (or remember for that matter). This is no our world and we should not interfere in it is what these girls say to me. If the girl is silly enough to get herself pimped then that is her life. Even if she is forced into it with threats to the family then that is a problem, but it not our problem. In time these girls will work it off, maybe 2 or 4 years then they can work for themselves when they are older and have less money making potential. But even as you say Kimino then that is life. We also lose so many years of our life working for pittance from the man and then maybe at a certain stage we brak the window and earn the good money and it is those good money making years that one is in now who can afford all the things that he wants and enjoys and that makes all those years studying and denying one self to get to the top so worth while.

The girls that are pimped may at times ask for 20, 000 euro to 40, 000 euro from you to pay the Abstangeld to their pimp when they find out you have the money but you must decline them. You can really agonise over the decision especially when you like girl, you know her for some time and she constantly rings you or emails you to help. It is their situation and we are not the police. Maybe they are fooling you, maybe not. I get told to leave it alone.

Why cannot you upsell anal? Is it to widen your circle of friends?

Thank you for bringing up your point of view and reminding us that that the disneyland is open.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1407807]Silly.

With all due respect you do seem on some kind of crusade here even though you claim not. I must admit though I am having a hard time figuring out exactly what you are crudsading against.

AM[/QUOTE]Mr K, you claim you are not preaching, but at the same time you say such things as that you want dumb ISG members to know the dark truth, and so on. What for? What will this change? You tourself claim that you don't wnat to down this business, that you like it yourself too much etc.

So all this for what? To oncrease your posr's count?

My point is not to argue with your arguments, I guess most of us know about those, but WHY are you pushing this so much? And why on this thread?

Oh, BTW, I am not a native English speaker. Not sure what this has to do with the FKK thread, but since you brought this silly, overused argument in your debate with HB, I am bveing a bit sarcastic here.

HB: I feel sorry that you let yourself dragged into this argument.

I always liked, and still do, of course, your very factual. 2-3 liners answers to all FKK related questions.

If I had an advice to give, (but who am I do to so.) it would be to let mr K continuing his preaching unasnwered.

That is what I will do for now.

[QUOTE=Yakob;1408084]As a few girls have said to me when asked, including Szyzgies's Lavinina / Anna at Oase, the girls at World in the gang of Simona, the other girls at Oase and Mainhattan girls in the gang of the German girls, that it is better for the monger to take the clubs for what it is.[/QUOTE]And which is the part you didn't understand?

Kimino

[QUOTE=Kimino; 1408104]And which is the part you didn't understand?

Kimino[/QUOTE]As far and I could work out you were saying that you were pimped too in your own way since you had 52% of your income taken at source and no compensation for the learnings and your work conditions are shit since you have to allow anal for no extra money.

I thought you were just saying your boss is a pimp too and so you are like the girls getting fucked.

You did not say what I said is to take the the clubs for what they were and try not to dwell too much on the dark side but this is not what I think. I am only relating what a few of the girls I know say to me when the topic of the pimps come up.

If you were saying that then it was too subtle for me. I am sorry.

[QUOTE=Yakob; 1408109]As far and I could work out you were saying that you were pimped too in your own way since you had 52% of your income taken at source and no compensation for the learnings and your work conditions are shit since you have to allow anal for no extra money.

I thought you were just saying your boss is a pimp too and so you are like the girls getting fucked.[/QUOTE]No, I was actually talking about our government and taxes. I don't have a boss, or everybody is my boss, it's just a point of view.

But don't want to make a fuss about it. Found your reply a wee bit provoking and just fooled back.

Cheers.

Kimino

[QUOTE=Kimino; 1408124]No, I was actually talking about our government and taxes. I don't have a boss, or everybody is my boss, it's just a point of view.

But don't want to make a fuss about it. Found your reply a wee bit provoking and just fooled back.

Cheers.

Kimino[/QUOTE]That was what I thought you said. This is why I reiterated your point about 52% of your income being taken at source implying the government takes this from taxes. But since you do not have a boss, this is not quite correct, so if you are self employed or own your own business then you pay tax on account with a final tally when you file a tax return. I am only guessing this.

I was saying something different. If you were saying what I was saying then like I says it was too subtle for me. My point was that all this pimping, coercion, extortion, or whatever is going on in the clubs, but the advice that some girls gave is that better to not think too much about it and enjoy it for what it is.

You are being provoking too if I am honest so this is why I replied too.

Let's not beat this into the ground too much. Kimino was making a light joking comparison to his situation as a citizen with a government who expects him to pay taxes for membership or "protection.

In fact the whole damn subject seems close to exhausted if you ask me.

Let's move on.

AM

Just around the corner, the weather should warm up enough for the girls to start sunbathing around the pool at Oase (and other clubs). Everybody loves summer but I'm always amazed at the view of the girls tanning in every lounge chair. Some of the night shift even arrives a bit earlier just to get some sun.

[QUOTE=Kimino; 1408015]I get some kind of weak protection but we have to pay on average 52% to the gang. But that's not for some months or years, it's for life. Nobody comes to fetch me in a luxurious car when I finish working and can't upsell anal because it's supposed to be included. If I don't pay, my house can be taken away from me and I could even get in jail. Knowing 3 languages (for which the learning cost was deducted by the remaining 48%) and being able to do my paperwork didn't help.

To live, I sell my body. Invested in my brain so I'm hiring that, but maybe selling other parts could have been more lucrative. Who knows.

Not Disneyland.

Kimino[/QUOTE]Oh see'mon, I left over to my shit government in my almost bankrupt country 53. 47% of my income last year, I was an orphane since the age of 10 and still had to work since I was very young and in high school to pay my studies and to learn 3 languages, so what? My life is still 10 times better than this of any WG. I still have the money to spend for WGs' services, they have to give me such services for making the money.

If I should compare myself with a WG I am living for sure in Disneyland, notwithstanding whatever happens in my life!

[QUOTE=Angus Magee;1408139]In fact the whole damn subject seems close to exhausted if you ask me. Let's move on.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I would prefer not to give the impression that I am crusading against FKK / Sauna Clubs. My intention is to pass on knowledge and the subject matter discussed is worth knowing and understanding and discussing in a mature and adult manner. However, I cannot guarantee that this subject will not rear it head again if I continue to read stupid and crass comments made by members of this forum particularly about upselling and racism. However, rather than damage my own credability and the credability of the subject by beating on about this matter, I think it appropriate to let the issue rest (for now).

To those who have attacked me I would say this; what I have said I have said in good faith and because I believe what I have said to be true. In fact I know it to be true. The ideas that I have expressed have seldom been written about before in this forum but do answer questions which continually occur. In no way will anything I have said damage the industry, because it is well known by anyone who really knows the industry (and by the authorities!). The involvement of organised crime in the industry is becomming more and more apparent to the general population. Obviously if you continue to attack me and the ideas I have expressed I will continue to defend my position, not because I am on a crusade but because I believe that what I am saying is accurate and the truth and worth defending and worth knowing. So (for now) whether or not this topic continues to be discussed (by me) depends on whether or not stupid attacks against myself or my ideas or my motives continue or not. If other members wish to continue discussing this matter (in a balanced manner) that is up to them. I thank all who have defended my ideas and arguments and I look forward to other discussions.

K

[QUOTE=Kimino; 1408015]I get some kind of weak protection but we have to pay on average 52% to the gang. But that's not for some months or years, it's for life. Nobody comes to fetch me in a luxurious car when I finish working and can't upsell anal because it's supposed to be included. If I don't pay, my house can be taken away from me and I could even get in jail. Knowing 3 languages (for which the learning cost was deducted by the remaining 48%) and being able to do my paperwork didn't help.

To live, I sell my body. Invested in my brain so I'm hiring that, but maybe selling other parts could have been more lucrative. Who knows.

Not Disneyland.

Kimino[/QUOTE]Personally I'd prefer not to be getting into a car with a few Albanian thugs even if it were a BMW or Mercedez

[QUOTE=Indi Companion; 1408078]C'mon, do you really think the racist policy at GT is only due to what the girls prefer or not?

Most of the girls pimped in GT are all under the umbrella of the Bikers organization. They do not want any potential influence of any different gang and therefore the club itself found a compromise with them enforcing very strictly an already existing door policy. This has been confirmed to me by most of the regular girls working in GT and that I know since many years. Believe it or not, it is not my problem.

And this is only an example of how deep is the involvement in this business. I know for certain that Bikers are shareholders of at least 5 major clubs.

Turkish gangs are shareholders of at least 3 major clubs.

Do you tink girls can work all on their own free wil there?

You guys really maybe also believe that Elvis is still alive if you do not see what the situation about prostitution in Germany is![/QUOTE]Best explanation that I have read why its hard for some races to get into GT.

The German youtube channel, The Slingshot Channel, comes up with a condom applicator.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFISeJ1N5CQ[/url]

No way am I putting my dick in there but nice try anyway.

AM

[QUOTE=Kommodore;1407947]There are many extremes in the Sex Business from women who are earning very good money as sex workers to those poor wretches that are handing over more or less every cent to pimps and / or gangs. Of course most women fall in between these two extremes. The worst extremes are probably more prevalent at the bottom end of the market but examples of this can be found even in the environment of the bigger FKK / Sauna Clubs. Some of the girls working in the FKK/Sauna Clubs are given a target by their "manager". This target may be €30 or €40K per annum (to be paid on say a weekly or monthly basis) and any amount above this target they can keep. I think that it is pointless arguing about the percentage of women who fall into the more extreme categories. But it is enough to know that this type of treatment can and does happen. It is also important to be aware that organised crime is involved in this business. FKK World is very much implicated. You can very often see the Romanian Pimps sitting around the club on a Saturday Night drinking their €120 bottles of Jack Daniels giving their orders to the girls. The place is full of Bikers and is reputedly owned by a Biker Organisation. At the end of the night you can see many Albanian and Romanian males collect their women from the club. Are they husbands, brothers, boyfriends, cousins, friends or pimps. Who knows? But you could not wish to meet a more unsavoury looking bunch of characters. Will I go back to FKK World. Hell yes! I like the club and the girls and I get a kick listening into the conversations of these Romanian Pimps. Same type of thing goes on in other FKK / Sauna clubs, just maybe not as obvious. When we were children we all believed in Father Christmas and Disneyland but we all had to grow up and understand the truth. It is not necessarily nice to lear bad things about a hobby that we love but we also have to learn the truth about the sex business. FKK / Sauna clubs are not Disneyland but they are still fun places to visit. Just be more aware of what might be going on. Not all the girls are working for themselves. Many are paying over some money from their earnings to groups and individuals. Some are handing over most of their cash. So maybe next time when a girl is trying hard to upsell in the room, please remember that the money that she gets to keep may be the amount that she succeeds in upselling to you and that she may be handing over the bulk of the money earned for a standard half hour. This is by no means always the case but sometimes it is the sad fact.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Indi Companion; 1408078]C'mon, do you really think the racist policy at GT is only due to what the girls prefer or not?

Most of the girls pimped in GT are all under the umbrella of the Bikers organization. They do not want any potential influence of any different gang and therefore the club itself found a compromise with them enforcing very strictly an already existing door policy. This has been confirmed to me by most of the regular girls working in GT and that I know since many years. Believe it or not, it is not my problem.

And this is only an example of how deep is the involvement in this business. I know for certain that Bikers are shareholders of at least 5 major clubs.

Turkish gangs are shareholders of at least 3 major clubs.

Do you tink girls can work all on their own free wil there?

You guys really maybe also believe that Elvis is still alive if you do not see what the situation about prostitution in Germany is![/QUOTE]Hats off to both Kommodore and Indi Companion for telling it like it is. Thanks for posting something interesting and informative Guys. Well done!

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1408307]The German youtube channel, The Slingshot Channel, comes up with a condom applicator.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFISeJ1N5CQ[/url]

No way am I putting my dick in there but nice try anyway.

AM[/QUOTE]The guy in your link, both looks and acts like a true barebacker. The slingshot channel? WTF. The putting on a condom technique is hard to master, especially on guys like me that are not circumcisioned. But maybe with the help of a slingshot this will not be a problem anymore. LOL.