Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2544077]So what words or verbage do you guys use to communicate that you want the date to end in sex?

I don't want to put off girls by being explicit since they are not all working girls but I would hate to go on a date an then be denied sex.

Do any of you get sex without going on a full dinner drinks date?

I mean I know how use euphemisms but.[/QUOTE]It is SA, Honesty is the best policy. The girls know, what is up. They may pretend that they do not know, but maybe 5-10%, and most of those girls are looking for a rich older dude, so it is pretty much the same.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2544224]It is SA, Honesty is the best policy. The girls know, what is up. They may pretend that they do not know, but maybe 5-10%, and most of those girls are looking for a rich older dude, so it is pretty much the same.[/QUOTE]I think maybe you can be more explicit with a girl from Monterrey than from US. For stupid long-standing puritanical reasons many US girls try to distance themselves from sex for money. So it is best to not say it out loud and use euphemisms instead. Intimate time? Room time? Private time? These mostly seem to work.

I think Vanessa was a bit unusual not taking the hints. In fact in our post mortem she said "just because we'the didn't have sex doesn't make it platonic". LOL. Get out a dictionary girl because that is EXACTLY what platonic means.

I think most girls get it when you talk about "spending private time if there is chemistry". Tho recall Jesse in Vegas who in the room said "I can't have sex with a guy I just met" but we were fucking 20 minutes later. So I guess I am one for two in seducing the naive ones. LOL.

Anyhow my main point is I am putting it in my profile now to save the trouble of waiting to bring it up in chat and be shot down.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2544247]I think maybe you can be more explicit with a girl from Monterrey than from US. For stupid long-standing puritanical reasons many US girls try to distance themselves from sex for money. So it is best to not say it out loud and use euphemisms instead. Intimate time? Room time? Private time? These mostly seem to work.

I think Vanessa was a bit unusual not taking the hints. In fact in our post mortem she said "just because we'd didn't have sex doesn't make it platonic". LOL. Get out a dictionary girl because that is exactly what platonic means.

I think most girls get it when you talk about "spending private time if there is chemistry". Tho recall Jesse in Vegas who in the room said "I can't have sex with a guy I just met" but we were fucking 20 minutes later. So I guess I am one for two in seducing the naive ones. LOL.

Anyhow my main point is I am putting it in my profile now to save the trouble of waiting to bring it up in chat and be shot down.[/QUOTE]You are correct you definitely need to be more careful in the states. I definitely do not discuss money on SA or terms of an arrangement.

I try to get the girls to communicate via WhatsApp. Then I bring it up. I am no longer messing with American Chicks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2543962]And hey Midwestern whats the 411 on u and ur harem?[/QUOTE]Been busy as hell with work since February 1. I saw a couple of MP gals at their homes this past month, and that was it.

As for my two SBs, one dumped me, and I am no longer into the other one.

I no longer have the secret apartment, and so my options are now limited.

Once work lets up, I'll start visiting MPs to see if I can find a SB / GF. Many MP gals have BFs or SDs. I'm trying to find one that is genuinely into me and will let me bareback her. Not easy to find, especially because I can only speak a couple of hundred words in Mandarin.

I did start seeing someone casually a couple of months ago. She used to be a pro, and then she went legit over a year ago and got a cosmetologist license. But, I have a feeling that she is hooking again.

Do you ever expect an SB or a mistress to be loyal to you? I guess it's stupid to expect this, but I like to be ignorant.

The short answer is for most people, no. The website's advertising is false. Seeking Arrangements claim a ratio of 5 to 1 in favor of sugar daddies. A female college of mine researched this and found that in fact men's profiles on Seeking Arrangements actually outnumbered women by about 1.5 to 2.5 times depending on which country she looked at. These businesses work by advertising a few success stories while the majority of people who join waste their time and money.

When girls go AWOL for a 2-3 days that's normal.

When I go AWOL wtf.

I have a normal life, I'm not glued to this app around the clock. I even added a small blurb "my day life gets hectic I may go afk for hours, I'll get back to each and every hot girl inbox anywhere from 5 minutes to 2 days. ".

Some of the hot ones from MTY and GDL not good enough, I even told this hottie from GDL I was boarding a flight can we continue talkimg in morning? She said sure cuidate.

Log in just now she already blocked me. Again, I'm not on this site 24/7 and I was preparing to strike an offer.

If you've made it this far, anyone with active SA accounts, there's a few nominees I was wondering if you could holler at them ask them to unblock me "hey girl I were talking to my buddy but he went AWOL for 2 hours and you blocked him, he really really wants to talk to you when his hectic day clears up".

[QUOTE=TonyMontanaaO7;2544882]The short answer is for most people, no. The website's advertising is false. Seeking Arrangements claim a ratio of 5 to 1 in favor of sugar daddies. A female college of mine researched this and found that in fact men's profiles on Seeking Arrangements actually outnumbered women by about 1.5 to 2.5 times depending on which country she looked at. These businesses work by advertising a few success stories while the majority of people who join waste their time and money.[/QUOTE]It depends on the city. Some cites are much better than the other. That research is useless if it only has a number for the whole site. It needs to have a number for each city at least. Most members here don't care about the successes that end with marriage.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2544939]
If you've made it this far, anyone with active SA accounts, there's a few nominees I was wondering if you could holler at them ask them to unblock me [/QUOTE]

I think it is not possible to unblock


I rarely chat on SA anymore. I move them to wpp right away. If they hesitate and want to continue to chat on SA. I say OK and leave it at that to move on to the next.

Occasionally, there are new ones that are very timid and I just chat with them without the intention of getting their numbers, these would volunteer their numbers without asking when they feel they can trust you.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2544939]When girls go AWOL for a 2-3 days that's normal.

When I go AWOL wtf.

I have a normal life, I'm not glued to this app around the clock. I even added a small blurb "my day life gets hectic I may go afk for hours, I'll get back to each and every hot girl inbox anywhere from 5 minutes to 2 days. ".

Some of the hot ones from MTY and GDL not good enough, I even told this hottie from GDL I was boarding a flight can we continue talkimg in morning? She said sure cuidate.

Log in just now she already blocked me. Again, I'm not on this site 24/7 and I was preparing to strike an offer.

If you've made it this far, anyone with active SA accounts, there's a few nominees I was wondering if you could holler at them ask them to unblock me "hey girl I were talking to my buddy but he went AWOL for 2 hours and you blocked him, he really really wants to talk to you when his hectic day clears up".[/QUOTE]Firstly, you don't know for sure if she blocked you. She just might've deactivated her profile for a hundred different reasons, or someone else might have gotten her banned. Or maybe she did block you, for any random reason. So what. If she did, no one's going to talk her out of it, especially a stranger acting on your behalf (that's getting into the creepy realm). You shouldn't obsess over any one girl, especially if you have a full and normal life, as you say. The flake risk is very high in the sugar bowl. The hotter they are, the more unpredictable. Be positive, have thick skin, enjoy the good as it comes and goes.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2545011]I think it is not possible to unblock

I rarely chat on SA anymore. I move them to wpp right away. If they hesitate and want to continue to chat on SA. I say OK and leave it at that to move on to the next.

Occasionally, there are new ones that are very timid and I just chat with them without the intention of getting their numbers, these would volunteer their numbers without asking when they feel they can trust you.[/QUOTE]I do the same. A lot of the girls that want to Chat, on SA, have no interest in meeting in person, for whatever reason. Just move on.

Planned a trip in June to Cancun so I thought I would try out my luck on SA. Set up a profile, paid for three months and put Leon as my city amd surrounding areas so I could find some girls from around the area. So far, I have probably sent over 200 "holas" and have received a pretty good amount of replies. After that, it either goes on or it dies out. I don't waste time chatting them up. I ask directly what they are looking for and I explain to them what I am looking for. If it moves forward, we chat on WhatsApp and hammer out the deal.

I have found two girls who have agreed to go to Cancun with me. I pay for their flights, food and drinks and 10000 pesos extra for 7 days. I feel that is a pretty fair deal since I usually pay a bit more in Brazil. One girl asked for 60-70000 and I just laughed.

I am still sending messages and interacting just to see who else I can keep in the lineup. I know that a few will flake out and then I don't want to be rushed into finding someone else as the days get closer.

Would appreciate any advice from the experts on here. Will keep posting as I get.

Closer to the trip.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2545280]Planned a trip in June to Cancun so I thought I would try out my luck on SA. Set up a profile, paid for three months and put Leon as my city amd surrounding areas so I could find some girls from around the area. So far, I have probably sent over 200 "holas" and have received a pretty good amount of replies. After that, it either goes on or it dies out. I don't waste time chatting them up. I ask directly what they are looking for and I explain to them what I am looking for. If it moves forward, we chat on WhatsApp and hammer out the deal.

I have found two girls who have agreed to go to Cancun with me. I pay for their flights, food and drinks and 10000 pesos extra for 7 days. I feel that is a pretty fair deal since I usually pay a bit more in Brazil. One girl asked for 60-70000 and I just laughed.

I am still sending messages and interacting just to see who else I can keep in the lineup. I know that a few will flake out and then I don't want to be rushed into finding someone else as the days get closer.

Would appreciate any advice from the experts on here. Will keep posting as I get.

Closer to the trip.[/QUOTE]Not sure I fully understand the logistics which are truly important. Are you going to meet up with a girl and make sure it's all good before you fly her? I have flown girls before but always girls I've at least slept with and have a small degree of relationship. What if she's a beatch in person or CBJ and no kissing. I mean it's really risky to fly a girl you don't know if that is the plan.

Also how will you get the tickets. If you send an unknown girl money she will likely never show. But if you book her tickets you will need her real name and such that matches her ID. Maybe she is cool giving that. Maybe not. And of course now there is a paper trail that you booked tickets for Maria Sanchez or whatever if that matters to you.

I guess I'd just be wary to make sure you have thought thru the logistics carefully. And even if u think u know the girl it can be dicey. Thifany was a total home run as was Alexa. But Valentina was a fucking disaster and I thought I knew her best. We had spent 21 hours together over 3 days in Buenos Aires. Nonetheless she dumped me on arrival in London, had her new SD pay for her room so she wouldn’t be tempted to fuck me, and proceeded to fuck random guys on our dime!

I would absolutely dive in again with both feet cuz the high is just so high. But make sure u have good odds of success and have the logistics down. Best of luck!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2545286]Not sure I fully understand the logistics which are truly important. Are you going to meet up with a girl and make sure it's all good before you fly her? I have flown girls before but always girls I've at least slept with and have a small degree of relationship. What if she's a beatch in person or CBJ and no kissing. I mean it's really risky to fly a girl you don't know if that is the plan.

Also how will you get the tickets. If you send an unknown girl money she will likely never show. But if you book her tickets you will need her real name and such that matches her ID. Maybe she is cool giving that. Maybe not. And of course now there is a paper trail that you booked tickets for Maria Sanchez or whatever if that matters to you.

I guess I'd just be wary to make sure you have thought thru the logistics carefully. And even if u think u know the girl it can be dicey. Thifany was a total home run as was Alexa. But Valentina was a fucking disaster and I thought I knew her best. We had spent 21 hours together over 3 days in Buenos Aires. Nonetheless she dumped me on arrival in London, had her new SD pay for her room so she wouldnt be tempted to fuck me, and proceeded to fuck random guys on our dime!

I would absolutely dive in again with both feet cuz the high is just so high. But make sure u have good odds of success and have the logistics down. Best of luck![/QUOTE]Great advice. Never send money to someone you have not known for a long period of time. Also, flying someone that you have not met, is just train wreck waiting to happen.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2545286]Not sure I fully understand the logistics which are truly important. Are you going to meet up with a girl and make sure it's all good before you fly her? I have flown girls before but always girls I've at least slept with and have a small degree of relationship. What if she's a beatch in person or CBJ and no kissing. I mean it's really risky to fly a girl you don't know if that is the plan.

Also how will you get the tickets. If you send an unknown girl money she will likely never show. But if you book her tickets you will need her real name and such that matches her ID. Maybe she is cool giving that. Maybe not. And of course now there is a paper trail that you booked tickets for Maria Sanchez or whatever if that matters to you.

I guess I'd just be wary to make sure you have thought thru the logistics carefully. And even if u think u know the girl it can be dicey. Thifany was a total home run as was Alexa. But Valentina was a fucking disaster and I thought I knew her best. We had spent 21 hours together over 3 days in Buenos Aires. Nonetheless she dumped me on arrival in London, had her new SD pay for her room so she wouldnt be tempted to fuck me, and proceeded to fuck random guys on our dime!

I would absolutely dive in again with both feet cuz the high is just so high. But make sure u have good odds of success and have the logistics down. Best of luck![/QUOTE]The two that I am currently chatting with on WhatsApp. We discussed all the expectations and agreed before we settled in a price. I have done this with girls in Brazil so I kinda have a feeling when the girl isn't going to work out. Plus. I expect them to continue chatting every few days before the trip so I can keep feeling them out. It could all go to shit even then.

Not too worried about the paper trail and I will get their info so I can book their tickets. If they aren't willing to provide their info and a picture of their passport page. I will drop them like a hot potato🤣.

Thanks for the advice.

[QUOTE=TonyMontanaaO7;2544882]The short answer is for most people, no. The website's advertising is false. Seeking Arrangements claim a ratio of 5 to 1 in favor of sugar daddies. A female college of mine researched this and found that in fact men's profiles on Seeking Arrangements actually outnumbered women by about 1.5 to 2.5 times depending on which country she looked at. These businesses work by advertising a few success stories while the majority of people who join waste their time and money.[/QUOTE]The numbers above are likely all true. It's also true it only takes one willing girl (or two or three). Everyone's just playing the numbers game. It's kind of like dating life. 90-95% of the attractive girls won't have interest in you, but you hit up that one girl with the right approach at the right time. Bam! You're a winner.

From what I have heard, many of the guys on SA are lurkers or they just want to chat up young girls on-line. So lots of men and women on SA wasting each other's time.

I have no reason to build-up Steve, MW, DF and others providing valuable advice here. I've been following them during this COVID period. They seem to be able to greatly improve their odds. Simple guidance like SA is far better outside the USA And Steve painstakingly takes you through his methods of screening, seduction and persuasion.

It's clear SA is not just about offering money to the girls. A good fellow I have conversed with over the years on another ISG thread irritated young women on SA asking questions about how much and for what acts. SA is not overtly a P4P site. Like anything on-line, you need to use common sense and be aware of hustles.

Full disclosure: I'm not an expert. I'm just learning.