American Politics

Tiny, I have 2 things to say about your cheeky last post.

1. I am not a Republican. I am a laissez-faire free market capitalist who believes in the benefits and freedoms of limited government and I am a social libertarian. I am not responsible for the fact that the Democratic Party has gone Woke (radical Maoist with an American twist) and is the BIG Government / big brother party and IMHO a direct threat to MY freedoms and yours. So yeah, I find myself allied with Trump and his political movement. It is the case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but it does not mean I am a gung-ho Trump follower. Far from it.

2. Funny thing, but EihTooms and I used to be ISG pals before this thread exposed his Marcusian belief system and his flat earther mentality. It is too bad because when we talked about girls, secifically Thai girls, we were in agreement more or less. I wish I could say more, but it is against the rules to criticize the forum.

Anyway, I am in Sao Paulo. I shagged my number 1 girl wed, Thursday, and Saturday night and Friday night I hooked up with a couple of esteemed punters at Scandallo, one of the greatest bordello nightclubs in the world and had a great time ie I did a 2 fer (2 Brazilian girls separately back to back). This is my politics! I like my freedom!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959603]Abe Lincoln's Civil War?

GW Bush's War in Iraq?

GW Bush's War in Afghanistan?

Trump's Pandemic?

How about total crap economies and the deaths of hundreds of thousands or well over a million Americans in Wars, Economic and National Security Decision Disasters?

Vote Repub and you won't have to choose between the two. You will very likely get both.[/QUOTE]This was written for the left wing loons that are cheerleaders for sending Kyiv a trillion more in USA Weapons.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/10/opinion/liberals-war-ukraine-gaza-israel.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959910]I already addressed this:

To expand, this graph goes a long way toward explaining why Trump was embraced by the working man, and Biden / Harris were rejected:

[URL]https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q[/URL]

I've posted this before. You didn't appear to understand the graph. That's because your IQ drops from about 140 to 100 when you switch from addressing points that support Democrats to those that don't. So here it is spelled out.

[B]Median real weekly earnings in 1982-1984 dollars were $352 when Trump took office and $373 when he left. That's in increase of 6.0%. They were $373 when Biden/Harris took office and $371 now, or a decline of 0.5%. [/B]

As to your link, the lead author for the update that was the basis of the NBC article is a political appointee to the Treasury Department who moved over from the White House. The original December, 2023 blog post he was updating was a political puff piece. He cherry picked the period, presumably starting in mid 2019, to make it look good for Biden.

As to gasoline prices, Joe and Kamala both campaigned in 2020 on ending issuance of and drilling permits on federal oil and gas leases. And Joe did it. He had to back off because of the courts and political considerations. He subsequently shut down issuance of permits for new LNG plants, and he hasn't backed off that.

Kamala campaigned on banning hydraulic fracturing in 2020. If that had ever been implemented it would have put the USA Industry on its knees. We'd become second or third rate, instead of the largest oil producer in the world. She backed off on that though, because she thought it would hurt her electoral prospects.

So what will Democratic politicians do the next time they control the presidency? What they said they would in 2020? Or what they say now?

Undoubtedly these policies if implemented and left in place would increase the price of oil, natural gas and gasoline. Perhaps American voters are smart enough to realize that.[/QUOTE]There is zero evidence that Trump was "embraced" by anybody but the same Trump Cult followers who "embraced" him in 2020.

They are in a cult. They were going to follow and "embrace" him even if his previous so-called presidency had him ushering in and exacerbating a historcally deadly and economy-destroying Pandemic, even if he added his first of many Trillions to the deficit on his one and only economic "stimulus" legislation that produced a million fewer jobs with it than without it, even if he left office with fewer jobs in America than when he took office 4 years earlier, the worst jobs record of any president since a previous Repub president, even if he was convicted of 34 Felonies in a conspiracy to steal the 2016 election, found liable for rape and led a mob of cop-killing insurrectionists to overthrow the next presidential election in a War Against American Democracy.

Oh wait. He did all of that. And, yep, the same number of Trump Cult Members "embraced" him in the 2024 election as "embraced" him in the 2020 election. But no more than that.

Yeah, I already addressed why real wages increased by 2020 as shown on your chart, too. Actual contempraneous reports from 2018,2019 and 2020, which your IQ was too limited for you to understand and respond to as well. Apparently.

And it had nothing whatsoever to do with anything Trump did, said or legislation he passed. Unless Fred was factoring in the emergency Trump's Failed Trade War Manufacturing and Aggriculture Industry Welfare Checks he sent out just to keep them afloat during that Trump disaster or his Trump's Emergency Pandemic Relief Checks he sent out to the rest of America in 2020 as "real wage" increases.

Nope. Those wage increases under Trump had everything to do with the economy Obama-Biden handed Trump in 2017 and the fact that predominantly Blue Cities and Blue States raised the minimum wage in 2018 and 2019 while Trump and "Elonia" Musk were still giggling in delight over the pleasures of firing American Workers and busting American Worker Unions.

"In 40 years, the stock market has increased 5,000 percent and real earning wages have ONLY increased 14 percent.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2024/11/10/michael-douglas-admits-republicans-under-trump-are-now-party-of-the-people-while-democrats-are-elitists/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/10/failed-reagan-assassin-john-hinckley-requests-assassinate-trump-man-peace-now/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/11/10/franklin-graham-shares-list-of-good-things-that-have-happened-since-trump-won-again/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/11/10/cnns-zakaria-slams-dems-lawfare-against-trump-deeply-illiberal-culture-war/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/10/jd-vance-first-marine-to-become-vice-president-wishes-fellow-marines-happy-birthday/[/URL]

YUGE Happy Birthday USMC!!

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/11/10/elon-musk-backs-florida-sen-rick-scott-senate-majority-leader/[/URL]

Anyone but Thune!!

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2959917]Democrat.

Republican.

Independent Thinker.

Bernie Sanders Cat Lady.[/QUOTE]And when do you suppose the the "Independent Thinker", the "Bernie Sanders Cat Lady" and, oh you missed one, the "Bothsider / Neithersider" will vote for Repubs any significantly less often than the "Republican"? LOL.

Only one in that group has not voted for a Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction since he shamefully voted for that very outcome in 1980 and only for Great Dem Economic Recoveries, Expansions and Historic Jobs Creation for the American Worker.

Me. The Democrat.

You're welcome.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959665]Thanks for falsely adding the word white to what I wrote how very very very left winger of you!![/QUOTE]I must have misunderstood this.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2958745][b]When I grew up in the 70's in Chicago[/b]

I was taught its a White Mans World!

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/donald-trump-world.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2959941]Tiny, I have 2 things to say about your cheeky last post.

1. I am not a Republican. I am a laissez-faire free market capitalist who believes in the benefits and freedoms of limited government and I am a social libertarian. I am not responsible for the fact that the Democratic Party has gone Woke (radical Maoist with an American twist) and is the BIG Government / big brother party and IMHO a direct threat to MY freedoms and yours. So yeah, I find myself allied with Trump and his political movement. It is the case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but it does not mean I am a gung-ho Trump follower. Far from it.

2. Funny thing, but EihTooms and I used to be ISG pals before this thread exposed his Marcusian belief system and his flat earther mentality. It is too bad because when we talked about girls, secifically Thai girls, we were in agreement more or less. I wish I could say more, but it is against the rules to criticize the forum.

Anyway, I am in Sao Paulo. I shagged my number 1 girl wed, Thursday, and Saturday night and Friday night I hooked up with a couple of esteemed punters at Scandallo, one of the greatest bordello nightclubs in the world and had a great time ie I did a 2 fer (2 Brazilian girls separately back to back). This is my politics! I like my freedom![/QUOTE]Apologies for that Axel. I'm a social and economic libertarian as well.

Yes, you nailed it. The Democratic Party Pundits are coming up with every reason in the world for Trump's historic win except the most important one: the Democrats moved too far to the left. Their only reasonable Senators, Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin, left the party. Kyrsten left because she was about to get primaried from the left. And Manchin because he had no chance of winning the general election as a Democrat. Also Joe Biden and other party leaders lied to him:

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-inflation-reduction-act-betrayal-joe-manchin-debt-ceiling-budget-fossil-fuels-green-energy-dc37738e[/URL]

It's too late to edit my post, but I have one erratum and one omission.

Erratum: Axel Heyst should have been labeled Social Libertarian instead of Republican.

Omission: The category of Crypto Thinker:

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2952068]For me it is not as easy as allowing a intermediary to hold everything for you. That fuckery turns everyone into a baby having their hand held in the new nanny state. I am a real man. I sovegien individuals. I don't need to mother fuckers telling how can use the capital I have saved and invested by working the better part of my lifetime, shedding blood, sweat and tears working on government / corporate slave wage plantations in the United Staes of America. The current banking system is run by the Plutocratic class and is design to enrich that class at the expense of the common man like me. Now some would not know a thing about that because they are the privileged because of what their father and mother looked like and where she pushed them out of her vagina.

The system so many posting about here is a system where you have to ask permission to have your own money.

[B]Fuck dat shit[/B]!

When was the last time you held a stock certificate of one of those dividend holding companies you have in your portfolio? The actual note from a bond you purchased? Don't answer that. Because you haven't mother fucker. You depend on trusted intermediaries to handle thing for you and that is all well and good until it isn't. [B]LOL[/B]!

Some people don't the first thing about buying crypto. They don't know how to own it. That is why you making so many accusations about it. Because you want me to explain it to you because you don't understand it. Because you just cannot call your bookie (ooops, I mean broker) up on the phone and place an order. Now you can use the internet to buy stocks and bonds. You can do the same to buy crypto.

Bitcoin has worked that way for me. But I had do a lot of homework to understand it. Homework many have not done because they keep asking questions about and instead of admitting that they really don't know shit they instead choose to put out misinformation.

He was white boy of privilege who went to a top university in the United States of America. He was able to build a business based solely on his reputation because people did not do their due diligence because of who he was.

Namely: [B]He was white boy of privilege[/B]!

[I]Samuel Bankman-Fried, also known as SBF, 32, of Stanford, California, was sentenced to 25 years in prison, three years of supervised release, and ordered to pay $11 billion in forfeiture for his orchestration of multiple fraudulent schemes[/I]

[B]Not your keys; Not your crypto[/B] Only keep the amount of value in crypto that you need on the exchange of your choice to perform your transactions. The rest should be self custody using a combination of a hot wallet and cold wallet. I never went near FTX because I know what I am doing!

This is so basic, yet it requires self education. If you are not ready to take responsibility for self. Bitcoin and crypto is not for you. Because currently there is no nanny state, hand holding protections for those who participate in the crypto market. Hopefully it will remain a place reserved for individuals who understand what they are buying and the risks they are taking.

[B]FFlintstone69[/B] I see you are reading and commenting on my posts again. Are you learning a lot about crypto from me?[/QUOTE]Crypto Thinker.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2959994]And when do you suppose the the "Independent Thinker", the "Bernie Sanders Cat Lady" and, oh you missed one, the "Bothsider / Neithersider" will vote for Repubs any significantly less often than the "Republican"? LOL.

Only one in that group has not voted for a Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction since he shamefully voted for that very outcome in 1980 and only for Great Dem Economic Recoveries, Expansions and Historic Jobs Creation for the American Worker.

Me. The Democrat.

You're welcome.[/QUOTE]I voted for 4 Democrats, 4 Republicans and 5 Libertarians in the most recent election Tooms. My enthusiasm for the Dems is not what it may seem however. Three of them were running for the Criminal Court of Appeals, and I believe they may be a little less likely to throw people in jail than the Republicans. The fourth was running against a crook. People know he's a crook but vote for him anyway because he brings home the bacon for the district.

I didn't vote for George W. Bush or Donald Trump by the way, although I did vote for most other Republican candidates for president in the general elections. Thus, even with your faulty analysis, you can't associate my vote with the 2008/2009 and 2020 recessions. Which by the way had very little to do with Bush's policies and nothing to do with Trump's.

I guess I could have included a quote for me and written something like "Classical Liberal who still believes in a social safety net" but that would have been immodest and wordy.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959923]Libertarians love open borders and hate the minimum wage they love slave wages and slave labor.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/07/30/bernie-sanders-criticizes-open-borders-at-hispanic-chamber-of-commerce/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf-k6qOfXz0[/URL]

[URL]https://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9048401/bernie-sanders-open-borders[/URL]

This is the main reason I've supported Bernie in the past, The Koch Brothers (ok David died) are libertarian cocksuckers that love open borders and despise the minimum wage.

This is a very unfair debate when many of my posts don't show up?

I'm as Hardcore MAGA as it gets but you call me a Bernie cat lady ouch LMMFAO wow you hit like a fucking girl![/QUOTE]Dear Cat Lady,

Well, I hate open borders and believe minimum wages are a good idea, as long as they're imposed by states and cities and not Bernie Sanders.

Sincerely,

Morbidly Obese Tiny, Oppressor of the Workers of the World

While there are charts and graphs showing real wages for the American Worker increased notably in 2020 before the full crashed economic, jobs destruction and consequential inflation horror of Trump's Pandemic came into fruition, no chart or graph matches the easily available reportage on how and why that one particular wage result was totally due to efforts to raise the minimum wage primarily in Blue Cities and Blue States in 2018 and 2019 and zero to do with any legislation passed by Donald Trump no matter how many Trillions he added to the deficit.

Right this very minute is a good time to remind us what the economic and financial media scouring all economic data points had to say about the USA Economy inherited by Trump both times vs what he handed to the incoming Dem last time:

First let's see what anyone with at least 2 brain cells to rub together had to say and could fully substantiate about the economy Donald Trump inherited from Obama-Biden in 2017. The internet and even your own normal memory ought to be full of such recaps of those great economic conditions, not just this one:

[B]Data show Trump didn't 'build' a great economy. He inherited it.
The average quarterly economic growth under Trump, 2.5 percent, was almost exactly what it was under Obama in the second term, 2.4 percent.
Aug. 23, 2020[/B]

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/data-show-trump-didn-t-build-great-economy-he-inherited-n1237793[/URL]

Next, let's take a look at what virtually every national and international economic and financial media source has to say about the Biden-Harris "Envy of the World" economy "the next president" will inherit. Again, a simple Google Search and, well, possibly any normally cognitively capable person not in the Trump Cult can find and remember dozens of similar recent recaps, not just this one:

[B] The Next President Inherits a Remarkable Economy.
The high quality of recent economic growth should put a wind at the back of the White Houses next occupant.
Oct. 31, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/economy/the-next-president-inherits-a-remarkable-economy-7be2d059[/URL]

Question and Challenge: Can any "Republican", "Indeoendent Thinker", Bernie Sanders Cat Lady" or "Bothsider / Neithersider" here find and produce one link to a credible economic or financial media source that gave such a positive assessment to the winner and inheritor of the GW Bush-Cheney economy and the winner and inheritor of the Trump-Pence economy? Even factoring in the increase in real wages facilitated solely by primarily Blue Cities and Blue States raising yhe minimum wage in 2018 and 2019 and zero to do with anything Donald Trump did?

Of course, none of you will be able to do that. The only credible reportage from legitimate economic and financial media on what the brave winners and inheritors of the GW Bush-Cheney and the Trump-Pence economies were in store for would accurately be that they were walking into a shit-storm of economic and jobs destruction disaster of historic proportions. Both times.

For some of you the contrast is stark and shocking, isn't it? But for the "Democrats" among us, that reality and inarguable pattern of results is utterly and totally known, understood and, sadly, predictable.

We lost! Period full stop.

Note to party: Don't ignore the Crypto Vote next election.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2960006]I voted for 4 Democrats, 4 Republicans and 5 Libertarians in the most recent election Tooms. My enthusiasm for the Dems is not what it may seem however. Three of them were running for the Criminal Court of Appeals, and I believe they may be a little less likely to throw people in jail than the Republicans. The fourth was running against a crook. People know he's a crook but vote for him anyway because he brings home the bacon for the district.

I didn't vote for George W. Bush or Donald Trump by the way, although I did vote for most other Republican candidates for president in the general elections. Thus, even with your faulty analysis, you can't associate my vote with the 2008/2009 and 2020 recessions. Which by the way had very little to do with Bush's policies and nothing to do with Trump's.

I guess I could have included a quote for me and written something like "Classical Liberal who still believes in a social safety net" but that would have been immodest and wordy.[/QUOTE]All of your quotes and political categories, to which I replied, were specifically regarding Presidential / Commander-In-Chief issues except the Bernie Sanders Cat Lady's, which, predictably, was all about White Supremecy and his obsession with White Boys. However, since his whole Bernie Sanders thing is about helping Repubs win elections, it is safe to assume his was also a pro Repub president rant, as long as the Repub is a White Man.

They were not about the City Councilman or Dog Catcher in Ithoughtitwasafart, Oklahoma.

And your vote for Nobody for President in 2024 was as specifically designed to help Trump win and deliver his next Great Repub Economic Disaster as the vote for everyone else you quoted except me.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2959885]Yeah, before the "Native Americans" (who arrived on the North American continent about 16,000 years ago by way of the Bering Land Bridge), there were the original settlers from ancient Europe (who arrived here by way of the North Atlantic ice shelf in the midst of the last Ice Age, over 37,000 years ago). Jan 15,2023.[/QUOTE]But Indians didn't kill previous ones on this land, when white US killed Indians and stole their territory and slaved Blacks from Africa. Many Trump voters are still in same mind. Trump election just show how US are low level for brain. Chinese should laugh of such declining. Funny, US are so afraid of China, when I'm not afraid of shit chinese products.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2959449]First thing Democrats said after their astonishingly undeserved defeat was that they'd respect the choice of the American people. Are they screaming and kicking, are they starting a litany of lawsuits, are they sending violent threats to their political opponents? Please advise if you have heard about such instances.

You know what else Democrats haven't done? They never accused Trump of rigging the election; they never asked their supporters to fight like hell; they never demanded their stuffers to fight regardless whether they won or lost. And they didn't do it in 2016 either.

So I have no idea what you're seeing, but I see no evidence that Democrats are sore losers unlike you know who. If he lost it would be a full-blown hysteria once again.[/QUOTE]I have democratic friends who won't even talk to me now. I have others that do not want to hear anything about how well I am doing since the [I]Trump Pump[/I]. As I am currently typing this I have a girl over watching a movie on the brand new Haier 65", OLED, Smart TV that was delivered today and put up on my wall. Paid for with profits from the [I]Trump Pump[/I]. Holla!

Don't hate! The Democrats do not support crypto. BTC is 84,000/ USD and climbing as I write this. Trump has not even taken office yet. [B]Gotta love it when plan comes together[/B]!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2960026][b] Democratic after action report[/b]
We lost! Period full stop.

Note to party: Don't ignore the Crypto Vote next election.[/QUOTE]The golden opportunity for you to have repeatedly reminded a Major Political Party to just admit that, "We lost! Period full stop" would have been to Donald Trump, the Repub Party and most of his supporters here and elsewhere over the past 4 years. Posting such a reminder to them here at any point over the past 4 years, right up until the last couple of days even, would have been brilliantly appropriate, helpful and on point.

However, since Harris, virtually everybody in the Democratic Party and all of her supporters here and elsewhere has not once denied that they lost or asserted that the election was rigged or stolen and so on, it is odd that now of all times you would suddenly find your previously silent voice to strongly promote the idea.

But hey, whatever.