Kyiv

[QUOTE=HarryHardman;1951067]This really should be our goal - "the most important is to get" good "pussy for the best price and not paying Western Europe standard prices. " Like CallSign Papa said, we all should have restraints and not pay these high prices. Better yet, go somewhere else where it's easier and has better price / service.[/QUOTE]This is what I said!! But 90 % of the men who are coming to Kiev have not done the work before; means they have not looked for contacts in advance. So they went home from Kiev frustrated or they payed western standard prices for (often) bad service. At my opinion it will not change obviously it has been written so often now here!

Unfortunately its also a problem for me because a lot of girls asked me for more money than for example 1. 500 griwna because they heard that some crazy foreign men are paying 200 $ and more for women. I always have to convince them that they have to visit me 5 times for this money. Because of this I hid all the men in their aces who are paying 100 $ and more for girls in Kiev. You can get a 7 here for 1.000 griwna (40 E).

And if you don't get a 7 in Kiev you are to lazy for searching one (before you come to Kiev). Don't kill the prices in Kiev. By the way, I always pay and negotiate in Griwna never in E or S.

In the olden days that was the price most girls quoted at River Palace, some were asking for $300 but such prices were for more than one hour whether it was 200 $ or more.

I never took out a girl at such prices but met them following day for happy hour prices ($100). I didn't haggle or convince them about anything, just took their digits and phoned them next day as I told them at the club I don't go for late sex. It worked most of the time except with one girl who wouldn't have been out of place in a playboy centerfold who stuck to her price of $400 and not just with me.

I arrived in Kiev for my great social experiment on Thursday. I have met with 3 "normal" girls so far for casual conversation ostensibly to practice my Russian and have them practice their English with a native English speaker. I met all three on the Maidan area after contacting them on a web site and then emailing with them and then adding to social networking app. One was a real dud but the other two seem like good prospects. One is 18 and the other is 19 and both attend the linguistics university in Kiev. I paid for lunch with the 19 year old and we talked for about 3 hours. The 18 year old I bought lunch twice and we spent 2 hours then 5 hours together. She is planning to come to my apartment on Tuesday to cook a meal together after we go to the Bulgarkov museum.

The 19 year old is cute with a rocking thin body. I would rate her a solid 7 for my tastes. The 18 year old is gorgeous to me and has a nice body. I would rate her as an 8 for my tastes. I will get a picture of her when she is at my apartment. I am meeting a 4th girl tomorrow.

Obviously no sex yet but I didn't expect it yet. In the words of some of the recent posts, one must show restraint.

Lunch cost about 400 each time so I have spent about $50 dollars on girls and I am building my contacts, plus improving my Russian skills at the same time.

I know this is not traditional mongering and it takes more time than most are willing to spend.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1953305]I arrived in Kiev for my great social experiment on Thursday. I have met with 3 "normal" girls so far for casual conversation ostensibly to practice my Russian and have them practice their English with a native English speaker. I met all three on the Maidan area after contacting them on a web site and then emailing with them and then adding to social networking app. One was a real dud but the other two seem like good prospects. One is 18 and the other is 19 and both attend the linguistics university in Kiev. I paid for lunch with the 19 year old and we talked for about 3 hours. The 18 year old I bought lunch twice and we spent 2 hours then 5 hours together. She is planning to come to my apartment on Tuesday to cook a meal together after we go to the Bulgarkov museum.

The 19 year old is cute with a rocking thin body. I would rate her a solid 7 for my tastes. The 18 year old is gorgeous to me and has a nice body. I would rate her as an 8 for my tastes. I will get a picture of her when she is at my apartment. I am meeting a 4th girl tomorrow.

Obviously no sex yet but I didn't expect it yet. In the words of some of the recent posts, one must show restraint.

Lunch cost about 400 each time so I have spent about $50 dollars on girls and I am building my contacts, plus improving my Russian skills at the same time.

I know this is not traditional mongering and it takes more time than most are willing to spend.[/QUOTE]So at which website did you initinally make contacts with them in order to propose such a language lesson deal?

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;1922946]I don't know if this Sweety is your Sweety and if this Hannah is your Hannah:

[URL]http://www.mamba.ru/mb1640816972[/URL]

[URL]http://www.mamba.ru/mb1500643994[/URL]

But I guess. Yes?

Sorry, but those girls are no stunners and no "10"s for me. Especially on the photos with less make-up the face is terrible. And I'm sure that the "Sweety" is not 24 year old.[/QUOTE]I met sweety. She goes by Alina now. She is really hot in person. The evening was just OK. She came to my place and drank a lot. Too much. We had some laughs but she talked a lot about how much her fur costs, how much iphones cost, how much everything costs. We did it once at 5 am and it decent. She is a little soft in the belly but firm ass and legs. Easily a solid 8 looks and body wise. I'd recommend. Just don't let her get completely shit faced like I did.

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;1953525]So at which website did you initinally make contacts with them in order to propose such a language lesson deal?[/QUOTE]Hi Sorbonne,

I did nearly the same as him last year. I was using Mamba. I got 4 girls to teach me some Russian and to speak together and to correct my mistakes. Two looked very pretty on their photos, but in the real life one was chubby and the other one a bag of bones, so I really didn't feel like trying to fuck them. The two others are really pretty around 9 or 10. I tried to trick one of them using a fake profile and asking if she was interesting in meeting my fake guy for 150 $ for 2-3 hours. She laughed at it. Then I rised the price at 200 $ and she said that was indecent and that I could use a prostitute for that. That girl is a student with a tough life as she is not from Kiev and lives in a shared bedroom. Anyway it didn't work at all. With the other 9, we are still in touch, but she is waiting for her charming prince, the big love, the love of her life. I might meet her again, but that will be only to exchange languages.

Result: So I bedded no girls at all. Spending about 800 UAH for 4 lessons. My age: 37. Age of the girls: 19-21.

I know what Western European and American guys and Turkish guys think: Nearly every Ukrainian girls will open their thighs for a big amount of money. A real wrong belief.

I agree 100%, money is not everything in Ukraine.

[QUOTE=Volpone;1953596]
Result: So I bedded no girls at all. Spending about 800 UAH for 4 lessons. My age: 37. Age of the girls: 19-21.

[/QUOTE]There's absolutely nothing wrong with playing the long time. Some of the best experiences I've had have taken 3-4 meetings (and sometimes months) to bear fruit, but they were all well worth the effort. The key consideration is not to fall into the "walking wallet" trap, although you'll generally find with the girls who are circumspect about who they sleep with are happy with coffee (and not champagne).

[QUOTE=Jojosun;1952815]In the olden days that was the price most girls quoted at River Palace, some were asking for $300 but such prices were for more than one hour whether it was 200 $ or more.

I never took out a girl at such prices but met them following day for happy hour prices ($100). I didn't haggle or convince them about anything, just took their digits and phoned them next day as I told them at the club I don't go for late sex. It worked most of the time except with one girl who wouldn't have been out of place in a playboy centerfold who stuck to her price of $400 and not just with me.[/QUOTE]I know who you are talking about. I gave her 600 $, 200 $ more than she asked for. A-level.

She's worth every penny.

[QUOTE=Volpone;1953596]Hi Sorbonne,

I did nearly the same as him last year. I was using Mamba. I got 4 girls to teach me some Russian and to speak together and to correct my mistakes. Two looked very pretty on their photos, but in the real life one was chubby and the other one a bag of bones, so I really didn't feel like trying to fuck them. The two others are really pretty around 9 or 10. I tried to trick one of them using a fake profile and asking if she was interesting in meeting my fake guy for 150 $ for 2-3 hours. She laughed at it. Then I rised the price at 200 $ and she said that was indecent and that I could use a prostitute for that. That girl is a student with a tough life as she is not from Kiev and lives in a shared bedroom. Anyway it didn't work at all. With the other 9, we are still in touch, but she is waiting for her charming prince, the big love, the love of her life. I might meet her again, but that will be only to exchange languages.

Result: So I bedded no girls at all. Spending about 800 UAH for 4 lessons. My age: 37. Age of the girls: 19-21.

I know what Western European and American guys and Turkish guys think: Nearly every Ukrainian girls will open their thighs for a big amount of money. A real wrong belief.[/QUOTE]It's a complete waste of time, I'll second it. Haven't we all tried that before somewhere.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;1953615]I agree 100%, money is not everything in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]Money is not everything in Ukraine, and money is.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;1953615]I agree 100%, money is not everything in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]Generally, you get what you pay for.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;1953305]I arrived in Kiev for my great social experiment on Thursday. I have met with 3 "normal" girls so far for casual conversation ostensibly to practice my Russian and have them practice their English with a native English speaker. I met all three on the Maidan area after contacting them on a web site and then emailing with them and then adding to social networking app. One was a real dud but the other two seem like good prospects. One is 18 and the other is 19 and both attend the linguistics university in Kiev. I paid for lunch with the 19 year old and we talked for about 3 hours. The 18 year old I bought lunch twice and we spent 2 hours then 5 hours together. She is planning to come to my apartment on Tuesday to cook a meal together after we go to the Bulgarkov museum.

The 19 year old is cute with a rocking thin body. I would rate her a solid 7 for my tastes. The 18 year old is gorgeous to me and has a nice body. I would rate her as an 8 for my tastes. I will get a picture of her when she is at my apartment. I am meeting a 4th girl tomorrow.

Obviously no sex yet but I didn't expect it yet. In the words of some of the recent posts, one must show restraint.

Lunch cost about 400 each time so I have spent about $50 dollars on girls and I am building my contacts, plus improving my Russian skills at the same time.

I know this is not traditional mongering and it takes more time than most are willing to spend.[/QUOTE]You can do things like that to entertain yourself but that's a terrible mistake to make assumptions that random girls will play for cash. At any given time, there is a fresh group of girls willing and wanting to sell their cookies in Kiev and you just have to find them.

[QUOTE=Biagio;1953671]Money is not everything in Ukraine, and money is.[/QUOTE]Not everything, but certainly matters.

[QUOTE=Biagio;1953669]It's a complete waste of time, I'll second it. Haven't we all tried that before somewhere.[/QUOTE]Yep I think it is a waste of time in Kiev. Even if it may work for some good looking guys or some others that are persistent with many dates, it still takes money and time to the majority that gets nothing at that game. Fortunately there are still other countries where you can bed easily normal girl at the first or at the second date and even if you are not a good looking guy.