[QUOTE=Burkster;1632677]I have a feeling that there might be some sort of cleaning up, as 2020 approaches.[/QUOTE]It would be a good thing, it means fresh staff. The problem is as 2020 comes closer prices raises. We can only wait and see.
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[QUOTE=Burkster;1632677]I have a feeling that there might be some sort of cleaning up, as 2020 approaches.[/QUOTE]It would be a good thing, it means fresh staff. The problem is as 2020 comes closer prices raises. We can only wait and see.
I started coming to Dubai from 2004. I was not aware of this forum at that time.
Hot spots were Sheraton Diera Russian Club, Imperial and York.
A stunning CIS used to cost AED 500-700 and in many cases all night plus excellent service.
I used to stay in Sheraton Diera (AED 300 on corporate price) or Dar al Sondo AED 250 to AED 400 depending upon weather.
I used to travel between London and HK so instead of taking expensive Cathay Pacific or BA, I started using Emirates.
I was happy and my employers were happy.
Don't forget at the peak in 2008 it was AED 8. 10 for 1 GBP (now 6. 10).
London in 2003.
Very few internet agencies.
Average hourly rate GBP 200 plus per hours.
Curb crawling is too risky.
Now with influx of East Europeans and Internet those rates have fallen like stock markets in 2007.
Ukraine.
First time I went to nice club in Kiev (I think it was in a boat) WGs asked my USD 500. Very soon I realized street walkers could be as stunning as them and may charge you just USD 100 with excellent service.
Later I used to rely on Mamba and Flirt or street walkers. I think a few agencies are also very cheap.
But no doubt the quality is exceptional and very realistic chance of free bee.
[QUOTE=NightOwl69;1632449]
My point is, mongering is very expensive for anyone who travel for mongering but if you are in Dubai or if I am in London for something else then few 100's extra is not going to break you, after all you would paying for hotel, flight, etc anyway. As for residence it comes allot cheaper than visitors. Residence don't pay accommodation or food and they don't monger daily. What we are missing is the higher quality and petter service and I guess it can be only achieved by mongers demanding both quality and service for their money. We both know very well that never happens when the little head is in-charge.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]I totally agree that in most cased it is point less to travel for the purpose of mongering alone un less you are going to spend good 2-3 weeks.
In my case it does not cost me extra.
I am travelling to HK from London. I can visit Kiev, Frankfurt, Moscow, Istanbul, Dubai at no extra cost.
[QUOTE=NightOwl69;1632711]It would be a good thing, it means fresh staff. The problem is as 2020 comes closer prices raises. We can only wait and see.[/QUOTE]What is happening in 2020?
OMG!
In 2020 the world will change and nothing will be like before!
A unique event will happen!
Dubai will host the World Expo!
This will generate an incredible economic benefit! (1)
Millions of people will come to Dubai and will be in awe! (2)
Millions of people will buy our "made with cheapest chinese crap, managed by the most illiterate staff" luxury properties paying millions of dollars for them!
We need to increase rental prices NOW!
In fact I have yet to find any of the Expo2020 cheerleaders who could tell me where the last expo happened or which cities will host between now and then (and at the risk of offending the Italians in the forum and creating a hand waving mob, I seriously doubt Milan will become the center of the Universe, do not even mention Altana).
The Expo is being used to justify all kind of crap. Expect high increases in rentals (and plenty of empty properties, welcome to Dubai alternative micro economy where the concept of clearing price seems to be unknown) and, as some posters have hinted, it may trigger a new sanitation wave. Imagine a Dubai with even higher prices, even poorer quality services and no hookers. This is nightmare stuff.
(1) This part is not sarcasm, I truly do not believe the World Expo will have a positive impact on Dubai economy overall, source Expo92 and Expo 2008.
(2) This may be partly true, it seems for lot of people indoor plumbing and electric light are an endless source of awe.
[QUOTE=GlobalSurfer;1632730]What is happening in 2020?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cons68;1632819]OMG!
In 2020 the world will change and nothing will be like before!
A unique event will happen!
Dubai will host the World Expo!
This will generate an incredible economic benefit! (1)
Millions of people will come to Dubai and will be in awe! (2)
Millions of people will buy our "made with cheapest chinese crap, managed by the most illiterate staff" luxury properties paying millions of dollars for them!
We need to increase rental prices NOW!
In fact I have yet to find any of the Expo2020 cheerleaders who could tell me where the last expo happened or which cities will host between now and then (and at the risk of offending the Italians in the forum and creating a hand waving mob, I seriously doubt Milan will become the center of the Universe, do not even mention Altana).
The Expo is being used to justify all kind of crap. Expect high increases in rentals (and plenty of empty properties, welcome to Dubai alternative micro economy where the concept of clearing price seems to be unknown) and, as some posters have hinted, it may trigger a new sanitation wave. Imagine a Dubai with even higher prices, even poorer quality services and no hookers. This is nightmare stuff.
(1) This part is not sarcasm, I truly do not believe the World Expo will have a positive impact on Dubai economy overall, source Expo92 and Expo 2008.
(2) This may be partly true, it seems for lot of people indoor plumbing and electric light are an endless source of awe.[/QUOTE]To me 2020 means 20% chance of Economic boom. In the history of mankind, nowhere in the world an exhibition, that too of scientific research and development has ever changed ECONOMY of the host country.
[QUOTE=Cons68;1632819]OMG!
In 2020 the world will change and nothing will be like before!
A unique event will happen!
Dubai will host the World Expo!
This will generate an incredible economic benefit! (1)
Millions of people will come to Dubai and will be in awe! (2)
Millions of people will buy our "made with cheapest chinese crap, managed by the most illiterate staff" luxury properties paying millions of dollars for them!
We need to increase rental prices NOW!
In fact I have yet to find any of the Expo2020 cheerleaders who could tell me where the last expo happened or which cities will host between now and then (and at the risk of offending the Italians in the forum and creating a hand waving mob, I seriously doubt Milan will become the center of the Universe, do not even mention Altana).
The Expo is being used to justify all kind of crap. Expect high increases in rentals (and plenty of empty properties, welcome to Dubai alternative micro economy where the concept of clearing price seems to be unknown) and, as some posters have hinted, it may trigger a new sanitation wave. Imagine a Dubai with even higher prices, even poorer quality services and no hookers. This is nightmare stuff.
(1) This part is not sarcasm, I truly do not believe the World Expo will have a positive impact on Dubai economy overall, source Expo92 and Expo 2008.
(2) This may be partly true, it seems for lot of people indoor plumbing and electric light are an endless source of awe.[/QUOTE]I think overseas investment form oligarchs, foreign rulers, bureaucrats, generals and politicians has a significant impact on Dubai's economy and shows no signs of abating.
Think about it! How many aver high earners (excluding bankers and footballers) in the West can buy a million dollar holiday home.
Add on to that the cheap labour and outrageous mark up. I think people in Dubai has far more disposable wealth than most working class in the West.
Not really the right place to discuss this but my views.
1) Only people wiling to invest in Dubai are those who have nowhere else to park their money. UAE can only be described as a "safe haven" if you are coming from a really bad place (no contract enforcement, murky legal framework, arbitrary decision making process, dysfunctional financial sector.) in fact you just need to consider the DIFC courts, announced as a milestone and as an example for the world. Nakheel contracts were originally under their jurisdiction, then in 2009 a decree moved all the contracts back to local courts (good luck creditors, good luck people who bought off plan).
2) Money laundering is in fact a key contributor to UAE economy, that makes little for those of us not engaged in that activity, it actually leads to inflation and a distorted economy.
3) Median salary in UAE is around 3500 dirhams, so no. Disposable income for most of the population is quite low. I am in Spain now, I can compare prices and Dubai is significantly more expensive, with lower salaries.
4) Have you seen any of the people you mention (footballers, singers.) actually PAY for their properties? Because last time I checked they were not using their money, just being gifted one property in exchange of lending their face / body for a photo session.
Having a few megarich does not build a livable society, in my view. But hey, if you are an honest, hard working, South-Asian government official in need of a place to recycle your honest bribes. Only place you can go is Dubai. In fact only middle level people target Dubai, if you have done things properly you can buy some property and a football club in the UK.
[QUOTE=GlobalSurfer;1633146]I think overseas investment form oligarchs, foreign rulers, bureaucrats, generals and politicians has a significant impact on Dubai's economy and shows no signs of abating.
Think about it! How many aver high earners (excluding bankers and footballers) in the West can buy a million dollar holiday home.
Add on to that the cheap labour and outrageous mark up. I think people in Dubai has far more disposable wealth than most working class in the West.[/QUOTE]
I personally made few investments in real estate in Dubai for quick returns and managed to make good money, but to be honest it was too risky and the whole place operates like a casino!
But compared to surrounding countries Dubai is miles better and has new and efficient infrastructure which helps it to attract investors and tourists.
[QUOTE=Cons68;1633280]Not really the right place to discuss this but my views.
1) Only people wiling to invest in Dubai are those who have nowhere else to park their money. UAE can only be described as a "safe haven" if you are coming from a really bad place (no contract enforcement, murky legal framework, arbitrary decision making process, dysfunctional financial sector.) in fact you just need to consider the DIFC courts, announced as a milestone and as an example for the world. Nakheel contracts were originally under their jurisdiction, then in 2009 a decree moved all the contracts back to local courts (good luck creditors, good luck people who bought off plan).
2) Money laundering is in fact a key contributor to UAE economy, that makes little for those of us not engaged in that activity, it actually leads to inflation and a distorted economy.
3) Median salary in UAE is around 3500 dirhams, so no. Disposable income for most of the population is quite low. I am in Spain now, I can compare prices and Dubai is significantly more expensive, with lower salaries.
4) Have you seen any of the people you mention (footballers, singers.) actually PAY for their properties? Because last time I checked they were not using their money, just being gifted one property in exchange of lending their face / body for a photo session.
Having a few megarich does not build a livable society, in my view. But hey, if you are an honest, hard working, South-Asian government official in need of a place to recycle your honest bribes. Only place you can go is Dubai. In fact only middle level people target Dubai, if you have done things properly you can buy some property and a football club in the UK.[/QUOTE]
I like your explanation and agree with most of it. However the biggest property investors in Dubai are Brits, Indians, and Pakistani. So it's not only South Asians dude.
Mongering is way easier than economics don't you think.
[QUOTE=Cons68;1633280]Not really the right place to discuss this but my views.
1) Only people wiling to invest in Dubai are those who have nowhere else to park their money. UAE can only be described as a "safe haven" if you are coming from a really bad place (no contract enforcement, murky legal framework, arbitrary decision making process, dysfunctional financial sector.) in fact you just need to consider the DIFC courts, announced as a milestone and as an example for the world. Nakheel contracts were originally under their jurisdiction, then in 2009 a decree moved all the contracts back to local courts (good luck creditors, good luck people who bought off plan).
2) Money laundering is in fact a key contributor to UAE economy, that makes little for those of us not engaged in that activity, it actually leads to inflation and a distorted economy.
3) Median salary in UAE is around 3500 dirhams, so no. Disposable income for most of the population is quite low. I am in Spain now, I can compare prices and Dubai is significantly more expensive, with lower salaries.
4) Have you seen any of the people you mention (footballers, singers.) actually PAY for their properties? Because last time I checked they were not using their money, just being gifted one property in exchange of lending their face / body for a photo session.
Having a few megarich does not build a livable society, in my view. But hey, if you are an honest, hard working, South-Asian government official in need of a place to recycle your honest bribes. Only place you can go is Dubai. In fact only middle level people target Dubai, if you have done things properly you can buy some property and a football club in the UK.[/QUOTE]
It seems geography is not your strong point "dude".
[QUOTE=SMachine;1633557]I like your explanation and agree with most of it. However the biggest property investors in Dubai are Brits, Indians, and Pakistani. So it's not only South Asians dude.
Mongering is way easier than economics don't you think.[/QUOTE]
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Dubai offers a safe haven of sorts in the middle east.
GCC is still the largest source of cash inflow to Dubai, however also a bolt hole for S Asian and Iranian money as you mention. A lot of the GCC (read Saudi) money going there is post 9/11 when Arab money in the US was subject to degrees of sanction.
In Las Vegas you play the slots. In Dubai its a different sort of speculation!
[QUOTE=Cons68;1633280]Not really the right place to discuss this but my views.
1) Only people wiling to invest in Dubai are those who have nowhere else to park their money. UAE can only be described as a "safe haven" if you are coming from a really bad place (no contract enforcement, murky legal framework, arbitrary decision making process, dysfunctional financial sector.) in fact you just need to consider the DIFC courts, announced as a milestone and as an example for the world. Nakheel contracts were originally under their jurisdiction, then in 2009 a decree moved all the contracts back to local courts (good luck creditors, good luck people who bought off plan).
2) Money laundering is in fact a key contributor to UAE economy, that makes little for those of us not engaged in that activity, it actually leads to inflation and a distorted economy.
3) Median salary in UAE is around 3500 dirhams, so no. Disposable income for most of the population is quite low. I am in Spain now, I can compare prices and Dubai is significantly more expensive, with lower salaries.
4) Have you seen any of the people you mention (footballers, singers.) actually PAY for their properties? Because last time I checked they were not using their money, just being gifted one property in exchange of lending their face / body for a photo session.
Having a few megarich does not build a livable society, in my view. But hey, if you are an honest, hard working, South-Asian government official in need of a place to recycle your honest bribes. Only place you can go is Dubai. In fact only middle level people target Dubai, if you have done things properly you can buy some property and a football club in the UK.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Aimara;1634431]Dubai offers a safe haven of sorts in the middle east.
GCC is still the largest source of cash inflow to Dubai, however also a bolt hole for S Asian and Iranian money as you mention. A lot of the GCC (read Saudi) money going there is post 9/11 when Arab money in the US was subject to degrees of sanction.
In Las Vegas you play the slots. In Dubai its a different sort of speculation![/QUOTE]I think both in my and Cons68 posts the important bit was black money is primarily responsible for out of proportion inflation. This may include corruption, drugs, arms dealing, tax evasion etc.
SMachine – Both Pakistan and India are South Asian countries and I think most investors from Britain are British of South Asian origin.
The reason I raised the issue was if the media earning is AED 3500 then who is paying 1000-2000 per night for hundreds of these girls from Premiere, cin cin and various web sites.
I understand that people living in Dubai have to face the inflation but there are lot of travellers who are free to choose another destination over Dubai.
Its not only mongering even Emirates is now very expensive and with practically very few miles.
Last time I paid GBP 100 for 4 days for 4 star hotel in Bangkok but GBP 95 for one day in Dubai to Ramada (Both places in the middle of action).
AED 1000 (GBP20) ST Thai, Cambodian and Laosian.
AED 1500 (GBP 30) ST Uzbek (CIS by Dubai standards), Iranians and Afghans.
AED 4000 (GBP 80) LT Columbians, Syrians.
PLUS.
Relaxed atmosphere and hospitality.
So the question is 'Is it work to visit Dubai' ?
[QUOTE=Aimara;1634431]Dubai offers a safe haven of sorts in the middle east.
GCC is still the largest source of cash inflow to Dubai, however also a bolt hole for S Asian and Iranian money as you mention. A lot of the GCC (read Saudi) money going there is post 9/11 when Arab money in the US was subject to degrees of sanction.[/QUOTE]
"Of sorts" being the operational word here. If you belong to the ruling/moneyed class in a country that may soon get an airborne-delivered gentle nudge to move towards American-style democracy then you may consider UAE as "safe". Or if you belong the medium tiers of corruption in the countries we discussed and have failed to reach the upper echelons where you can buy a penthouse in Belgravia, a soccer team, and maybe even a knighthood then Dubai is your kind of place.
[QUOTE=Aimara;1634431]Dubai offers a safe haven of sorts in the middle east.
In Las Vegas you play the slots. In Dubai its a different sort of speculation![/QUOTE]
In Las Vegas gambling is regulated, you are unlikely to be beaten up when exiting the casino with your earnings (also an unlikely event I agree).
[QUOTE=GlobalSurfer;1634461]
I understand that people living in Dubai have to face the inflation but there are lot of travellers who are free to choose another destination over Dubai.
[/QUOTE]What you (well other people actually) need to understand is that people living in Dubai and spending some substantial money can, simply, move somewhere else. Yours truly. Many of us have businesses who are targeting international customers, remaining in Dubai is just one option we have. Too much crap and we are out. Enjoy 2020.
[QUOTE=GlobalSurfer;1634461]
Its not only mongering even Emirates is now very expensive and with practically very few miles.
[/QUOTE]2 years ago I was gold with Emirates, now I am blue, this year the only flight I took was a first class ticket to Barcelona for the GSM. I used my miles. Now I fly Qatar Airways because it is way cheaper and Emirates service has gone down big time (well first is really good, but at that ridiculous price, it certainly poor value for money).
[QUOTE=GlobalSurfer;1634461]
PLUS.
Relaxed atmosphere and hospitality.
[/QUOTE]Yes, the famous "if you do not like here go back to your country" hospitality. For residents this is not so friendly and hospitable, I understand that short-time visitors do not suffer the day-to-day issues though.
[QUOTE=GlobalSurfer;1634461]
So the question is 'Is it work to visit Dubai' ?[/QUOTE]For mongering? If you are in KSA or Qatar, yes, it is the closest pussy that will not lead you straight to Chop-Chop Square. If you are in a "normal" place. No way.
Those unfortunate souls stranded in KSA/Kuwait/Qatar may consider this like "first world problems". And they are.