Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1694551]Many countries, including Colombia, do not have a tradion, therefore a concept, of tips. [b]They will not think that they should be nice to you BECAUSE OF the tips you give.[/b] Please imagine a foreign student in an American university willingly paying extra amount when he pays tuition because he is happy about the school. It would be similar and somehow incomprehensible to locals. At worst, excessive tipping could appear as Naivety and/or lack of confidence.[/QUOTE]Excellent response Matt, but judging from his response to my post, all of what you said will fall on def ears. The concept of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" is lost on him. Can't expect to reason with someone who has such a mindset.

I still can't get over the fact that he is trying to justify giving a broad a tip for a covered blow job and a wack ass massage. It's like saying "yeah, you suck at your job, but good job anyway. I'm into long term investment here."

He'd love San Jose, Costa Rica, me thinks.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1694465]I don't tell people what to do, whether to tip or not, but the mamasan at Energy is one of the owners and thus I would never in that case.[/QUOTE]I hear you James. I am off it. I just had to call it out so that any other newbies reading our forum become aware of the fact that tipping is not necessary nor is it expected in Medellin, especially for bad service. It's not going to encourage the chica to perform any better the next time around, especially if she knows she is going to be rewarded with a tip regardless.

Still don't get the tipping the Mamasan part. Maybe it's a Thailand thing?

[QUOTE=NinoBravo;1694538]You took the words right out of my mouth! Nice come back! 20 k is what? $ 8.00. LMAO.

Some guys just don't understand the concept of tipping, that's its just not for exceptional service, but for future consideration and VIP service the next time around, whether its a 5 star restaurant, hotel, strip joint or casa. Its surprising what kind of special treatment one can get in exchange for planting seeds with a good tip. Or just an $ 8.00 tip.[/QUOTE]The problem here is you obombalanders think in only $usd. Only an $8. 00 tip is not much if you were tipping a mamasan at the mustang ranch in Nevada. Minimum wage here is 30 k a day, about $12. Usd, so your tip is 70% of a days wages here. So you really screw things up for the local guys here when mamasans start to think everybody should give me 20 k. Medellin is not Nana and Soi Cowboy in Bangkok where all the punters are foreigners, thais are not allowed to go into the oilies and soapies, massage places with all the extras in the whole district around Sukumvit. So the big tippers, Japanese and Koreans are not screwing things up for the locals like the big tippers in MDE. That area is a big eye opener for americans when the chicas ditch the gringos when the J and K's enter the go-go bars. Gringos are definitely 3rd class persons in BKK.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1694551] At worst, excessive tipping could appear as Naivety and/or lack of confidence.[/QUOTE]Exactly, tipping is a sign of weakness in the eyes of Colombians. One may think that they are getting better service in the future by tipping when in fact you will get better service just by patronizing the establishment or woman a second time, no tip needed.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1694849]Exactly, tipping is a sign of weakness in the eyes of Colombians. One may think that they are getting better service in the future by tipping when in fact you will get better service just by patronizing the establishment or woman a second time, no tip needed.[/QUOTE]Not sure where you got that from. I've been traveling to Colombia for 20 years now, and close to 100 trips. Tipping has gotten me favors many times, especially in the 4-5 star hotels that I always frequent. And everyone wonders why they can't get chicas into their hotels. LMAO.

[QUOTE=Bart1;1694827]The problem here is you obombalanders think in only $usd. Only an $8. 00 tip is not much if you were tipping a mamasan at the mustang ranch in Nevada. Minimum wage here is 30 k a day, about $12. Usd, so your tip is 70% of a days wages here. So you really screw things up for the local guys here when mamasans start to think everybody should give me 20 k. Medellin is not Nana and Soi Cowboy in Bangkok where all the punters are foreigners, thais are not allowed to go into the oilies and soapies, massage places with all the extras in the whole district around Sukumvit. So the big tippers, Japanese and Koreans are not screwing things up for the locals like the big tippers in MDE. That area is a big eye opener for americans when the chicas ditch the gringos when the J and K's enter the go-go bars. Gringos are definitely 3rd class persons in BKK.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but with all due respect, that sounds like your problem. I will continue to tip while in Colombia and because of it, I will continue to get preferential treatment, and will be looked upon favorably.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1694551]Many countries, including Colombia, do not have a tradion, therefore a concept, of tips. They will not think that they should be nice to you BECAUSE OF the tips you give. Please imagine a foreign student in an American university willingly paying extra amount when he pays tuition because he is happy about the school. It would be similar and somehow incomprehensible to locals. At worst, excessive tipping could appear as Naivety and/or lack of confidence.[/QUOTE]In addition, in countries such as Japan it is considered an insult. It is telling a person that you do not believe they are earning enough money to live.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1694581]Still don't get the tipping the Mamasan part. Maybe it's a Thailand thing?[/QUOTE]Don't put that mess on us out here. As a matter of fact the other night I spotted a new bar by my crib and there was only one girl working there. I asked the mamasan / owner how much for the girl for all night. She said $45. I said $40 and you have a deal. She let the girl come with me. I told her next time I would be fucking her (the mamasan) for $30. So you can't accuse that Tom Foolery of coming from out this way. Least not by way of me.

[QUOTE=NinoBravo;1694920]I will continue to tip while in Colombia and because of it, [b]I will continue to get preferential treatment, and will be looked upon favorably[/b].[/QUOTE]In your HEAD, LMAO!

Bitches like tips but they prefer balls deep.

P.S. I posted a great review and suddenly this forum turned into a circle jerk about tipping. Let's get back to business people!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1694950]In your HEAD, LMAO![/QUOTE]Pretty hard to say that without knowing me in person. But I would be more than happy to invite you out to a few spots of mine in Medellin the next time I'm in town, and we'll see. The check and the tip is on me. LOL. Just inbox me with your info.

Enjoy the rest of your Sunday!

[QUOTE=NinoBravo;1694920]Sorry, but with all due respect, that sounds like your problem. I will continue to tip while in Colombia and because of it, I will continue to get preferential treatment, and will be looked upon favorably.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1694849]Exactly, tipping is a sign of weakness in the eyes of Colombians. One may think that they are getting better service in the future by tipping when in fact you will get better service just by patronizing the establishment or woman a second time, no tip needed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1694551]Many countries, including Colombia, do not have a tradion, therefore a concept, of tips. They will not think that they should be nice to you BECAUSE OF the tips you give. At worst, excessive tipping could appear as Naivety and/or lack of confidence.[/QUOTE]The real problem is that some people don't know how to handle themselves in Colombia or anywhere else. What is said about a first impression lasting forever is true. Your dress, knowledge of the language, customs and characteristics of the folks you are around and how you react in business transactions are all part of that impression. I always tip service providers. On a few occasions the tip is not monetary. I'll leave a direct note that the service was not satisfactory and thus no propina; that's how life works. A little loose change and an voiced appreciation for their service or assistance is always beneficial. We all want to be appreciated. I agree that "excessive" tipping is an indication of lack of confidence and is actually counter-productive. No one enjoys being around someone that vulgarly exhibits wealth.

It's really a simple application of basic psychology. And, it's productive. Besides, it is good karma and exhibits.

Good Energy!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1695032]Bitches like tips but they prefer balls deep.

P.S. I posted a great review and suddenly this forum turned into a circle jerk about tipping. Let's get back to business people![/QUOTE]What's wrong with this forum. Before all the posts where all about viagra and cialis. Then a new guy post an excellent trip report and all of the sudden guys just want to write about the way he handles the tipping tipping and other nonsense Who cares! Guys go back to writing trip reports.

[QUOTE=NinoBravo;1694910]Not sure where you got that from. I've been traveling to Colombia for 20 years now, and close to 100 trips. Tipping has gotten me favors many times, especially in the 4-5 star hotels that I always frequent. And everyone wonders why they can't get chicas into their hotels. LMAO.[/QUOTE]I don't have to get chicas into a hotel, I take them to my home here. Tipping is giving money to someone for good service, getting favors for giving money to someone is not tipping, it's giving a bribe, anyone can bribe their way into getting a chica into a hotel.

[QUOTE=LegalTender;1695070]The real problem is that some people don't know how to handle themselves in Colombia or anywhere else. What is said about a first impression lasting forever is true. Your dress, knowledge of the language, customs and characteristics of the folks you are around and how you react in business transactions are all part of that impression. I always tip service providers. On a few occasions the tip is not monetary. I'll leave a direct note that the service was not satisfactory and thus no propina; that's how life works. A little loose change and an voiced appreciation for their service or assistance is always beneficial. We all want to be appreciated. I agree that "excessive" tipping is an indication of lack of confidence and is actually counter-productive. No one enjoys being around someone that vulgarly exhibits wealth.

It's really a simple application of basic psychology. And, it's productive. Besides, it is good karma and exhibits.

Good Energy![/QUOTE]Never heard of such a thing that tipping shows "a lack of confidence". Especially an $ 8. 00 tip. In my 20 years of traveling to Colombia and speaking with literally hundreds and hundreds of women, they constantly bring up the fact that they think gringos are "tacaños" the Spanish word used in Colombia which means "cheap stake" or "stingy". There is even a hand signal that Colombians use to describe someone who is tacaño, that is, raising up the right hand with the arm forming a right angle and tapping the elbow twice with the left hand. This is the "tacaño" sign. So please stop this nonsense that being cheap and not tipping is a part of the Colombian culture. Every nice restaurant in Colombia (and some not so nice restaurants) automatically charge a "service charge" which is the TIP. Some even list it as PROPINA on the receipt. To further back this up, the word propina is very very common in the Spanish vocabulary in Colombia. If propinas weren't common this word would not even be part of the every day vocabulary of Colombians. Of course if you guys are locking yourself up in your apartments or your room at The Mansion, and eating at Kokoriko or Burger king, and have limited Spanish skills, unable to hold an intelligent conversation with the girls or local, you will NEVER get it.