South China - Guangzhou

That is a lot of great and nuanced discussion of the way things work in general and especially in Guangzhou.

There seem to be a lot of KTVs in Tianhe and just watching what goes in and out I get the impression a good portion of them are places Chinese friends and families go without the interests of sittings girls. I could be all wrong. Could also be influenced by the impression I've gotten from going with Chinese friends who just had singing and drinking in mind. There are no guidebooks and the discussions in this thread don't throw much light. I'm trying to read some threads in Chinese like gzsanga but it's slow going there and I'm not sure there's much useful information available there either.

So probably best to continue learning the hard way and see where it leads. Tonight I took another look at the newest one I know of located on Tianhe bei Lu next door (to the left. 4th floor, Thunder) to Hooley's, the Irish Pub. I stumbled into it about a month ago and an English speaker gave me a quick tour. It's luxe looking with designer interior rooms. Tonight not one english speaker out of about a dozen staff, until they brought out a girl from Uzbekistan who spoke just enough to get room rates of 840 to 1280 and up. Sitting girls 500. No way to ask if it went 5/15/20 or not. No mention of tips or drinks minimums. The girls I've seen going in or coming out have been a seriously hot step above what I've seen anywhere else. The Uzbek girl took my phone number and said she would call me. Will see if that happens and what she has in mind. I didn't get the impression she would be calling about the KTV.

Likewise I don't go up the price ladder for the tall, model girls and I'm all ready out of what I like to pay at 3/10/13. 5/15/20 is beyond the pale.

If you've got 2 out of 3 giving BBBJ and 1 in motivational counseling for BJ's I have to salute you. This is a real hit or miss topic and when first in Guangzhou I was beginning to think it wasn't happening at all, but I now know it really depends on the girl. BBBJ and kissing, I've had girls tell me the broad statement that Chinese girls don't like to do. Fortunately not true but many who won't. My favorite refusal line is "kiss on parent's cheek okay".

Thanks the sage advice and insights. You've got a good system and sounds like once in place works and it's smooth sailing.

Bacchus9.

[QUOTE=Fillmore St; 1204449]I have not been to those ktvs in Tianhe and I think those are really expensive. The one I went was similarily priced as the higher end ones in CP or those in Panyu. The girls are 3/10/13, with the pricier ones to sit for 500 and I didn't ask for the rest since they are just taller and I like short and slim girls. Going to KTV solo is expensive anywhere in the world, I was just saying Guangzhou can also find similar deals when compared to surrounding towns, with the benifit of not needing to go often, since you will find your girls after going once or twice and be set for months.

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As for language, yes or no, but I think you have to be able to make the girl like you enough to keep the relationship going, without paying extra. The general rule for KTV girls take out is to substitude their working pay, so instead of going to work, they come to you, with predictability, so if she likes you, she will certainly prefer spending time with you then going to work with some unpredictable guy.

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The reason language may not matter is that I don't usually want to spend time with these girls, or it depends. I have at least 3 right now and I just don't have the time, so maybe I spend time with the girl I like the most but for the other two who are better with BBBJ I just call them in and do the deed and get them out, not much talking required really, but for the more beautiful one with BJ still in trainning, then I spend the time to go to bars and restaurants and even some shopping, to make sure she will try more with the mouth, as that is usually very hard to get from really hot girls.

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So all in all, if going solo is to expensive, find someone else to go with will certainly help a lot, as it will take at least two visits, since the first time you go, they will not bring out the better quality girls to you, they have to know that you are more a regular before they open their treasure chest.

Room rates on most ktvs are similar, around 1000, and tips for servers 300, so the biggest variables are in the fees for the girls, and those in Tianhe maybe 5/15/20.

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Fillmore[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bacchus9; 1204479]That is a lot of great and nuanced discussion of the way things work in general and especially in Guangzhou.

There seem to be a lot of KTVs in Tianhe and just watching what goes in and out I get the impression a good portion of them are places Chinese friends and families go without the interests of sittings girls. I could be all wrong. Could also be influenced by the impression I've gotten from going with Chinese friends who just had singing and drinking in mind. There are no guidebooks and the discussions in this thread don't throw much light. I'm trying to read some threads in Chinese like gzsanga but it's slow going there and I'm not sure there's much useful information available there either.

So probably best to continue learning the hard way and see where it leads. Tonight I took another look at the newest one I know of located on Tianhe bei Lu next door (to the left. 4th floor, Thunder) to Hooley's, the Irish Pub. I stumbled into it about a month ago and an English speaker gave me a quick tour. It's luxe looking with designer interior rooms. Tonight not one english speaker out of about a dozen staff, until they brought out a girl from Uzbekistan who spoke just enough to get room rates of 840 to 1280 and up. Sitting girls 500. No way to ask if it went 5/15/20 or not. No mention of tips or drinks minimums. The girls I've seen going in or coming out have been a seriously hot step above what I've seen anywhere else. The Uzbek girl took my phone number and said she would call me. Will see if that happens and what she has in mind. I didn't get the impression she would be calling about the KTV.

Likewise I don't go up the price ladder for the tall, model girls and I'm all ready out of what I like to pay at 3/10/13. 5/15/20 is beyond the pale.

If you've got 2 out of 3 giving BBBJ and 1 in motivational counseling for BJ's I have to salute you. This is a real hit or miss topic and when first in Guangzhou I was beginning to think it wasn't happening at all, but I now know it really depends on the girl. BBBJ and kissing, I've had girls tell me the broad statement that Chinese girls don't like to do. Fortunately not true but many who won't. My favorite refusal line is "kiss on parent's cheek okay".

Thanks the sage advice and insights. You've got a good system and sounds like once in place works and it's smooth sailing.

Bacchus9.[/QUOTE]To Bacchus 9,

That is very funnly did she mean your parent cheek or her parent, I do agree the girl in big city KTV the hot one do have attuide,

The one in Shanghai and Chongqing are the worst very picky about the customer prefer HK and Taiwan bosses.

Fast Eddie 48

Hi,

I will be visiting to China for the first time for business purpose. Will be there in the first week of Nov. For a weeks time. During the stay I will be staying around the Zhong Shan 8th Road / Children's market area. I would like some help from fellow veterans and seniors on the forum regarding the massage place providing good massage services along with FS and HE around this place. I would also be going to baiyun leather market area and yuxie park area, can suggest some nice place around here too. Your info will be of great help to me to make the trip sucessful. I have heard about places like sauna centers where such services are given, but do not know where. Thanks in advance.

Jigi.

Hi,

I plan to be in Guangzhou soon.

Does anybody know if we can find have soapy massages in Guangzhou, please?

Thanks,

JP

[quote=janpol; 1204861]hi,

i plan to be in guangzhou soon.

does anybody know if we can find have soapy massages in guangzhou, please?

thanks,

jp[/quote]i think you want to try sauna.

from my expirinece the best sauna are in cp. but maybe in guangzhou are saunas too, this fall it will be my 6th time in china but in guangzhou we always seeking fun in clubs. crucial questions for you: are you foreginer?

do you speek chinese?

jacher

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1204559]To Bacchus 9,

That is very funnly did she mean your parent cheek or her parent, I do agree the girl in big city KTV the hot one do have attuide,

The one in Shanghai and Chongqing are the worst very picky about the customer prefer HK and Taiwan bosses.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]
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Come on, the hot ones have attitudes everywhere, even in CP; big city ktvs just have more hot girls.
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I have total of 7 girls in CP and only one did not want to do BJ, a very hot model from FH, even after my 3rd repeat. You can only sit her by pre-booking. Since then, I have learnt to pick only 8 girls who are slightly older, like 21-23. Best if a girl had recently been dumped as a kept woman, as that was a good trainning process for their oral skill. KTV girls who are 18-20 are too fresh and usually had not been trained yet.
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Fillmore

[QUOTE=Fillmore St; 1205353]Come on, the hot ones have attitudes everywhere, even in CP; big city ktvs just have more hot girls.

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I have total of 7 girls in CP and only one did not want to do BJ, a very hot model from FH, even after my 3rd repeat. You can only sit her by pre-booking. Since then, I have learnt to pick only 8 girls who are slightly older, like 21-23. Best if a girl had recently been dumped as a kept woman, as that was a good trainning process for their oral skill. KTV girls who are 18-20 are too fresh and usually had not been trained yet.

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Fillmore[/QUOTE]To Fillmore,

That is why I like sauna girl better they are better train on BBBJ, the KTV girl the new one you have to train them and the older one have attuide, I have a nice KTV girl last month at Changde city in Hunan very GFE all nighter is only 500 rmb new girl need some training on BBBJ but she is a fast learner damn I miss China already.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1205384]To Fillmore,

That is why I like sauna girl better they are better train on BBBJ, the KTV girl the new one you have to train them and the older one have attuide, I have a nice KTV girl last month at Changde city in Hunan very GFE all nighter is only 500 rmb new girl need some training on BBBJ but she is a fast learner damn I miss China already.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]If it is given, what is fun of the challenge in that? Just kidding, sure most people go for sanua because it is simple and reliable, but quality overall just cannot compare with KTV, as far as I can tell. Also by the time she gets to you, a sauna girl had 5 other guys already, and that is in the same day, while KTV girls might have 5 in the last month, and for big city KTV girls, even less, as it is well known they don't go out much. I believe the mileage can have a real impact on the GFE department, especially the really wet pussy. When did you get a sauna girl to squirt her juice out during a 69? In fact, do you do 69 with a sauna girl, thinking she was just with another guy an hour ago?

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So you also went for KTV girl in Hunan right? I made my point, man.

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Fillmore

Is any one else noticing a lot of LE efforts around the area? About a month and a half ago found a good BBS up the little hill. Returning one weekend afternoon there was what I now consider LE undercover wear. White shirt, blue pants, black shoes. Giving me a hard look as I entered the street. On another night the BBS was all nervous, taken to a back room and offered HJ with clothes on. Declined and went back to main room, as I was leaving the LE arrived in a truck with a spot light and I hot footed out of there. About a month ago in Cave early evening there was a guy planted in a blue uniform inside the club and some others at the enterance and on the big street next to GH there was a mini command center with guys around a truck in white shirts uniform looking up and down the street. I noticed a hotel just off the street had big sign in Chinese and English rules about carrying a passport and last line the risks of 'going whoring'. Recently they put in center line blocks so you can only cross at cross walks. And on Sunday last there was a pack of LE with their unmarked paddy wagon with bars on it shaking down a Chinese guy I think they grabbed off the foot bridge. Across the street two very undercover looking guys watching the entrance of Starbucks and up and down the street. I don't know this area well, but seems like a lot of pressure. Maybe preparation for Canton Fair? Anyone with experience know how it goes there?

[QUOTE=Bacchus9;1205543]Is any one else noticing a lot of LE efforts around the area? About a month and a half ago found a good BBS up the little hill. Returning one weekend afternoon there was what I now consider LE undercover wear. White shirt, blue pants, black shoes. Giving me a hard look as I entered the street. On another night the BBS was all nervous, taken to a back room and offered HJ with clothes on. Declined and went back to main room, as I was leaving the LE arrived in a truck with a spot light and I hot footed out of there. About a month ago in Cave early evening there was a guy planted in a blue uniform inside the club and some others at the enterance and on the big street next to GH there was a mini command center with guys around a truck in white shirts uniform looking up and down the street. I noticed a hotel just off the street had big sign in Chinese and English rules about carrying a passport and last line the risks of 'going whoring'. Recently they put in center line blocks so you can only cross at cross walks. And on Sunday last there was a pack of LE with their unmarked paddy wagon with bars on it shaking down a Chinese guy I think they grabbed off the foot bridge. Across the street two very undercover looking guys watching the entrance of Starbucks and up and down the street. I don't know this area well, but seems like a lot of pressure. Maybe preparation for Canton Fair? Anyone with experience know how it goes there?[/QUOTE]Yes, started two years ago, Guangzhou has been stepping up efforts to clean up the streets for Canton Fair, so definitely no SW, BBS type around those times. Hotels have their own rules, so may not be much different in terms of which being GF, canton fair or not.

My KTV contacts reported business going well though, customers continue to take girls out. Funny my KTV girls keep doing qq with me when they were already with customers.

Fillmore

[QUOTE=Fillmore St; 1197917]Went to Cave, Gypsy King and Kama last night and not able to pick up any quality.

They all still need to close at 2AM. I was able to sneak into KAMA at 2:30 from the back entrance but the music stopped around then. The place was packed and full of WGs but only a couple of Chinese WGs. Did not see any weight less then 45kg though, Chinese or not. On my way out, I saw several really hot Chinese girls, must be the KAMA KTV girls. Looks like I ought to try out KAMA KTV after all.

Last time I came in July Bound was closed, but it was open this time, did not go in to check it out yet, will try some other time.

Fillmore[/QUOTE]Dear Fillmore,

Thank you for your post. I remember being at this place called TANG, where in the old days (think 2009) you can find tons of good looking columbian girls. Think TANG is already closed up? But do you come across any venue that one can still find alot of latina talents? Probably in KAMA?

How was your KAMA KTV experience?

Cheers

Given the unfriendly climate around Garden Hotel I remembered a place in Guangzhou visited before moving here. Along the riverfront, one night a panhandler with a monkey that grabbed my leg and wouldn't let go. The panhandler's price for release from the monkey was a donation. I pulled the monkey off myself and then we walked further along and got the big eye from a group of girls that clearly weren't out for a moon tan. At the time it was just another novelty in Guangzhou but decided to check it out last night and have a good German dinner anyway at 1920. A no lose plan.

The strip has definitely improved and the bars and restaurants look livelier. There's a big Cantonese seafood restaurant that's been there a long time with a balcony onto the street. Excellent and a visit to the high quality live food department is like a trip to the aquarium zoo in itself.

After taking in the sights I crossed the street to riverfront to check the girls sitting. No panhandler and monkey but a Sichuan girl who had just landed in Guangzhou was on my arm in the first 20 meters talking 400 anmo, suckie and which way is your hotel. Nice comfortable girl to be with so I took her to dinner before back to the apartment for the fireworks. Before dinner we walked along the riverfront and I saw other hungry eyes. Could of been some undercover thugs along there too but we were all ready locked up like on a date so no hassles. But basically it looked free and easy and unlike any other place out of doors I know in Guangzhou.

Oh, and before I could get out of the cab on arrival 3 kids had pitched a bunch of Massage Center business cards in the window and tried to hand me more when I got out, hah hah. Plenty of opportunity.

I'm not being very specific about the location and I don't have a PM account (Jackson) but I'm sure Fillmore St can fill you in from what I've written.

[QUOTE=David Yao; 1205769]Dear Fillmore,

Thank you for your post. I remember being at this place called TANG, where in the old days (think 2009) you can find tons of good looking columbian girls. Think TANG is already closed up? But do you come across any venue that one can still find alot of latina talents? Probably in KAMA?

How was your KAMA KTV experience?

Cheers[/QUOTE]Tang is long gone, man. The columbians had moved to KAMA. As for the KTV, I had written report and followups, you can find them easy enough on this thread.

Have fun in Guangzhou, I wish I can have more time there.

Fillmore

[QUOTE=Fillmore St; 1206016]Tang is long gone, man. The columbians had moved to KAMA. As for the KTV, I had written report and followups, you can find them easy enough on this thread.

Have fun in Guangzhou, I wish I can have more time there.

Fillmore[/QUOTE]Thanks man when I'm there early next month I will definitely check out KAMA and revert with findings.

Is it safe nowadays to take the Columbian senoritas back to your hotel rooms? Not worried about the hotel side but would there be scams from the WG once they are at your place? Also do you might know what is the running rate these days for Latina WG? Think it used to be 7 to 8 for one session.

[QUOTE=David Yao; 1206087]Thanks man when I'm there early next month I will definitely check out KAMA and revert with findings.

Is it safe nowadays to take the Columbian senoritas back to your hotel rooms? Not worried about the hotel side but would there be scams from the WG once they are at your place? Also do you might know what is the running rate these days for Latina WG? Think it used to be 7 to 8 for one session.[/QUOTE]Sorry man, I am the wrong guy to ask about latina WGs in KAMA, as I am only interested in slim (<45kg) Chinese WGs and I have yet found any such in bars in Guangzhou, which was why I only do ktvs nowadays. 7 or 8 per session sounds about right though, if you are lucky enough to find one you like, as most of those in KAMA are so fat that I would say they would go back with you for anything.

Fillmore