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[QUOTE=AlphaDude;1990562]I just spent the last 2 days reading through this forum and although I have a better grasp on things, I still am a little lost.

I'm a young, Fit, and considered good looking by some standards, but I went on Mamba and messaged 60 or so girls and have gotten replies to over 1/2 in the last couple of days.

I just told them I was coming in town and asked if they wanted to do dinner and show me around. Only a couple of them ever mentioned any money or anything of the sort. Am I getting normal dates agreements because of face control or am I to assume that they are going to quote me a price at our date?

Anyways. I do not know anybody in town and would be interested in meeting up with you to secure your services in case I don't end up pulling on my own.[/QUOTE]I think that you arrange for a normal date, there is nothing about the money.

We need paid membership to have a possibilty to use private messages for sharing our contact details. I don't know any different ways.

Is anybody here interested for real meetings with the girls in Kiev? I am starting to think that 20 $ is way too much for the citizens here.

[QUOTE=Rog123;1991240]You can only learn so much from this forum. You have to try it out on your own. If they are "looking for sponsor" on Mamba then it's P4 P. Otherwise they might be looking for a real relationship or maybe just a free night out on the town (happened to me before, read my past reports). I would say never mention money until they do first![/QUOTE]This is so right. Read the situation, always show respect. As it happened, I met a young girl 21 from Mamba yesterday, I think she agreed to coffee meeting only because I'm from Germany and she wants to live there with a distant relative and learn business. Anyway, she is a salesperson and gets a phonecall, and makes excuses. I say, it is most important to take good care of customers and that I always take verrry good care of my girls. She lightens up, and when I notice this I tell here I meet girls like her to have regular relationship. Would she like to see my apartment and think about sponsorship? Long story short, I banged her 90 minutes later. Again today. Her Mamba-profile says, she's looking for friendship and so.

[QUOTE=UaAdviser;1990280]Maybe I wasn't clear, I won't take money for my services (seeking and arranging with the girl whom you like). Despite that, you should pay to the girl for the meeting.

Why are you so confident, non-professional girl who doesn't sleep with the strangers every day doesn't cost 100-150 $ per evening?) I told you more. Many beautiful girls (models) cost much more. There are customers for each goods).[/QUOTE]UaAdviser,

I will try to message you soon.

Some sad stories about international marriage. This will just happen every where anyways US, UK, Asia bla bla bla whatever. All I know is that I can't get girls with that kind of quality in US, I got to go there. I got to take risk no other choices. Different people have different preferences in life. My only preference is girls and money. Although I have not made enough money yet but I'm willing to let go my business for a relatively longer time so I can stay in Ukraine.

[QUOTE=UaAdviser;1991352]I think that you arrange for a normal date, there is nothing about the money.

We need paid membership to have a possibilty to use private messages for sharing our contact details. I don't know any different ways.

Is anybody here interested for real meetings with the girls in Kiev? I am starting to think that 20 $ is way too much for the citizens here.[/QUOTE]I'll buy you your membership. It doesn't look like I'll be needing your services much, but It'd be nice to sit down with an English speaking local for lunch to get my self situated a bit.

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What is the deal with these girls asking for "gifts"? I am not a 20 time traveler to Kiev, but I have been there once and had a "good time", but I recently started messaging many girls (Mamba) and they say the want "gifts". I drop a "money" offer and they say "I am not working girl. I want to give me gifts". And then one girl kept repeating "If you give nothing, you get nothing". Haha. When these girls say this, what is the translation for this if its not money?

[QUOTE=AlphaDude;1991181]OK guys. I didn't mean to hurt any egos.

Lets just say Hypothetically for the sake of the thread. If you were to get 40% reply rate, and 20% agree to come out on a dinner date. Would it be assumed that they are going to quote a price upon meeting or would that normally be done before hand?

I don't want to mess things up with potential girls by asking them if they are hookers. LOL.[/QUOTE]Its been a while since I did this but my experience was if money is mentioned up front then why go to dinner? Expect that 30-50% of the time the girl will no show. Of the rest some you won't like and some won't like you. Then either she will agree to head back with you, ask you for money to go back with you or make an excuse. Asking for money can take the form of I lost my phone can you help me with it or something similar. If they are not a pro it is their way of getting cash without admitting to themselves they are prostitutes. Sometime you only need to offer to buy some perfume or cosmetics and they will be happy. If you just want sex for money then be upfront about it in the initial conversation and save the angst.

How much do you guys offer to Mamba girls when they do ask for money?

[QUOTE=GDreams;1991499]Its been a while since I did this but my experience was if money is mentioned up front then why go to dinner? Expect that 30-50% of the time the girl will no show. Of the rest some you won't like and some won't like you. Then either she will agree to head back with you, ask you for money to go back with you or make an excuse. Asking for money can take the form of I lost my phone can you help me with it or something similar. If they are not a pro it is their way of getting cash without admitting to themselves they are prostitutes. Sometime you only need to offer to buy some perfume or cosmetics and they will be happy. If you just want sex for money then be upfront about it in the initial conversation and save the angst.[/QUOTE]Ya, I'm not messaging them as prostitutes.

Just like I would normally on a dating site and the response has been good so far.

I am getting Instagram and WhatsApp numbers from most of the girls that are serious about it. To be honest I'd be very surprised if any of them asked for money since they were not approached as hookers.

But only time will tell. See if these girls actually show up.

On a side note: If anybody knows how to purchase a VIP for another member, please share as I can't seem to figure it out.

[QUOTE=BobSmith1;1991391]UaAdviser,

I will try to message you soon.

Some sad stories about international marriage. This will just happen every where anyways US, UK, Asia bla bla bla whatever. All I know is that I can't get girls with that kind of quality in US, I got to go there. I got to take risk no other choices. Different people have different preferences in life. My only preference is girls and money. Although I have not made enough money yet but I'm willing to let go my business for a relatively longer time so I can stay in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]Hello!

Not a problem. You can message me when you will be in Ukraine) I am an open person.

Don't know anything about the international marriages and related problems. I just having fun without any serious intentions regarding to the girls!

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[QUOTE=GDreams;1991499]Its been a while since I did this but my experience was if money is mentioned up front then why go to dinner? Expect that 30-50% of the time the girl will no show. Of the rest some you won't like and some won't like you. Then either she will agree to head back with you, ask you for money to go back with you or make an excuse. Asking for money can take the form of I lost my phone can you help me with it or something similar. If they are not a pro it is their way of getting cash without admitting to themselves they are prostitutes. Sometime you only need to offer to buy some perfume or cosmetics and they will be happy. If you just want sex for money then be upfront about it in the initial conversation and save the angst.[/QUOTE]Ahhh, I think this post sheds a little light on the matter. Good timing.

I appreciate that no one wants to repeat what has already been posted, but I want to talk about this "sponsorship" topic. Don't tell me to read the past posts because I spent 2 months reading a year long book of 102 pages and I am pretty much over it now. I don't go to Kiev enough to pay some chick to live an apartment that I pay for while she fucks 10 other dudes in it for money, and I am learning real quickly that I trust these girls about as much as a I trust a woman on Obamacare that says "Its okay baby, cum inside me. I'm on the pill! Nope! So how do we exploit this belief of "sponsorship"? Give me some thoughts. I have some of my own, but I want to hear some feedback from you guys.

Hello,

I am going to Kiev this February.

How much does a young girl (22 years of pro-, semipro-, or amateur) usually require for a 2-hour in an apartment?

(though it should greatly depend upon her).

Which do they prefer, euro or USD?

Thank you for your useful information.

[QUOTE=Deer1234;1992009]Hello,

I am going to Kiev this February.

How much does a young girl (22 years of pro-, semipro-, or amateur) usually require for a 2-hour in an apartment?

(though it should greatly depend upon her).

Which do they prefer, euro or USD?

Thank you for your useful information.[/QUOTE]I have been hitting Mamba pretty hard with a good reply rate once I figured it out (it's worth the $10) to filter the language and the "sex" option so you don't deal with girls that want to get into relationships and are there for PFP. The good looking ones are asking $100-150 per hour mostly or $300 a night seems to work when I offer. I am talking each one down to $100 USD for an hour pretty easily, but I haven't tried lower.

[QUOTE=BellBottomsDJ;1991814]I appreciate that no one wants to repeat what has already been posted, but I want to talk about this "sponsorship" topic. Don't tell me to read the past posts because I spent 2 months reading a year long book of 102 pages and I am pretty much over it now. I don't go to Kiev enough to pay some chick to live an apartment that I pay for while she fucks 10 other dudes in it for money, and I am learning real quickly that I trust these girls about as much as a I trust a woman on Obamacare that says "Its okay baby, cum inside me. I'm on the pill! Nope! So how do we exploit this belief of "sponsorship"? Give me some thoughts. I have some of my own, but I want to hear some feedback from you guys.[/QUOTE]Sponsorship is financial support with a return of benefits ranging from an occasional sexual service to full out girlfriend.

Just go do your thing in Kiev and and when you find chemistry, your questions will all be answered. Keep in mind most guys with significant time in Kiev are looking for more complicated relationships then just an hour p4 p session. The days of a traveler economically justifying a pussy run to Kiev is way over.