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[QUOTE=RedKilt;1852698]The reason why more guys don't get vasectomized is not because of the cost (usually minimal) but because of the incredible amount of misunderstanding and sheer ignorance about what it is.
[/QUOTE]I have an interesting case about my 'friend':

He's in a committed long term relationship, let's say he's been married for 25 years. His wife had her tubes tied for family planning purposes maybe 10 years ago.

He's wondering how he broaches the subject of getting a vasectomy which is clearly not needed in his home life.

He has considered the option of the simplicity of the operation but he wonders about the scars. He could get it before going on a regular intra-state business trip.

Anyone got any experiences to share on this topic?

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1852748]He's in a committed long term relationship, let's say he's been married for 25 years. His wife had her tubes tied for family planning purposes maybe 10 years ago.

He's wondering how he broaches the subject of getting a vasectomy which is clearly not needed in his home life.[/QUOTE]He doesn't, unless he is planning to get a divorce. You will not be able to fuck until days after. I got mine on January 9 and was off to Brazil fucking a chick on January 15. Better not cum in them though. You have to go back 90 days later for a count to make sure all the swimmers are gone.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1852748]I have an interesting case about my 'friend':

He's in a committed long term relationship, let's say he's been married for 25 years. His wife had her tubes tied for family planning purposes maybe 10 years ago.

He's wondering how he broaches the subject of getting a vasectomy which is clearly not needed in his home life.

He has considered the option of the simplicity of the operation but he wonders about the scars. He could get it before going on a regular intra-state business trip.

Anyone got any experiences to share on this topic?

BD.[/QUOTE]Whatever scars are left would probably be so minimal no one would notice unless she was lifting his scrotum sac and looking for it with a flashlight and magnifying glass. When I had mine done decades ago, the doctor made two tiny punctures, not cuts, on the underside of each testicle to get to the tubes he was planning to cut. I believe many doctors today will make only one puncture in the middle and simply pull the tubes from the left and right through that same puncture hole to cut them. These kinds of puncture wounds heal up very fast in that part of the body.

Technically, your friend wouldn't have to broach the subject at all with anyone else and he could just get it done without her knowledge. Legally, I have no idea what the consequences are if she ever found out. But there are probably some, not because his getting it done secretly denied her the opportunity to have a child (she had her tubes tied already), but because it pretty much shouts he was planning to fuck other women without worry of getting them pregnant.

After 25 years, I am sure there would be a slug of several days if not several weeks where he is pretty certain no sex will be on the menu until he heals. LOL. And after all that time, 25 years, I would be shocked if she was still so busy giving him blowjobs that there was a chance in hell she'd see that puncture wound before it fully healed and essentially disappeared, maybe after a month maximum.

Getting a vasectomy was one of the smartest decisions I ever made in my life. BTW, I got mine when I was married, my wife at the time was aware that I was going to get one and fully supported the idea, but I don't think the doctor who performed the procedure even asked about what my wife thought about it, that I would need her to sign off on my getting it done or anything like that. Maybe that is required some places these days. This was in California in the late 1980's.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1852788]He doesn't, unless he is planning to get a divorce. You will not be able to fuck until days after. I got mine on January 9 and was off to Brazil fucking a chick on January 15. Better not cum in them though. You have to go back 90 days later for a count to make sure all the swimmers are gone.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the posts Mr Enternational & Mr EihTooms. I'll pass it onto my friend.

In a way, I think he sees it as a good reason to use a condom.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1852748]Anyone got any experiences to share on this topic? BD.[/QUOTE]I got mine done 35 years ago. At the time I had to obtain a signed statement from my spouse that she did not object to my having the procedure. I don't know whether those policies still exist nor whether they exist universally.

I get horrible reflux if I go a day w / o Prilosec and figure I'll be hungover and will need something for a headache. Does anyone encounter problems in immigration if entering NAIA w / a bunch of OTC pills? Do drug stores there sell Prilosec? Or will I be fine bringing a few week supply?

[QUOTE=Tojo5445;1856415]I get horrible reflux if I go a day w / o Prilosec and figure I'll be hungover and will need something for a headache. Does anyone encounter problems in immigration if entering NAIA w / a bunch of OTC pills? Do drug stores there sell Prilosec? Or will I be fine bringing a few week supply?[/QUOTE]Never had a problem bringing in otc or prescription meds. Never had anyone look either. Best to bring it in original containers and in your carry on bag. Bring enough for your entire stay. Even if Phil pharmacy stocks it they may be out of stock.

I remember reading news / scam reports where the girl would accuse one of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and go to police, and from there one would directly be deported to jail before questioning.

"Friend of mine" had this one girl in his hotel from a girlie bar that started bleeding during sex. So of course he stopped right away. Whether it was menstruation blood is not known however she said he [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her, while laughing about it.

He became panicky having have heard about scam stories in that regard and let her go home with a tip and taxi money and in the same day flew out of the country to finish his holiday somewhere nearby.

Should he be worried coming back into the country?

Ball less,

Your friend should stop in BKK first and get a testicle transplant before coming back. Don't worry, on any given day most major BKK hospitals have a surplus of freshly harvested testicles.

Dg8787.

[QUOTE=Tojo5445;1856415]I get horrible reflux if I go a day w / o Prilosec and figure I'll be hungover and will need something for a headache. Does anyone encounter problems in immigration if entering NAIA w / a bunch of OTC pills? Do drug stores there sell Prilosec? Or will I be fine bringing a few week supply?[/QUOTE]My experience is the same as DG. I find that Philippine immigration and customs are much more cursory than Western countries. As long as you are not on any "do not fly" list or have a fugitive record in the Philippines, they are eager to wave you through and get your money infused in their economy.

If you must go to a Philippine pharmacy, go with a piece of paper printed clearly as to dosage and number of capsules you want. Most medications, even those that we consider over-the-counter in the West, are dispensed from behind the pharmacy counter. They may or may not have Prilosec, so show them the generic name, Omeprazole. Often these are cheaper than name brand. As to pharmacy name, I prefer Generic Drugs or Star Drugs, but Mercury, Watsons, and various others are okay. Others here may have these in a different order.

Hello all!

I want to come to the Phils: please tell me what is the average price for one night with a girl?

I like young and skinny girls, I am tall and nice guy, 36 years old, so not a bad customer for girls!

I want to live in Phils, do you thinks 25 000 pesos by month is enough to have a apartment and a girl 24/24?

Thanks for your help!

I have to decide, Ukraine or Phils, I search after the cheapest girls.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857085]I want to live in Phils, do you thinks 25 000 pesos by month is enough to have a apartment and a girl 24/24?

Thanks for your help!

I have to decide, Ukraine or Phils, I search after the cheapest girls.[/QUOTE]Ukraine is the better place. Right, gents?

(Alternately, you could RTTF; and feel free to hit me in PM with specific questions).

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857085]Hello all!

I want to come to the Phils: please tell me what is the average price for one night with a girl?

I like young and skinny girls, I am tall and nice guy, 36 years old, so not a bad customer for girls!

I want to live in Phils, do you thinks 25 000 pesos by month is enough to have a apartment and a girl 24/24?

Thanks for your help!

I have to decide, Ukraine or Phils, I search after the cheapest girls.[/QUOTE]Given the choice of PI or Ukraine. I would go with PI as Ukraine is still in conflict with Russia and that could escalate again into a much bigger issue and spread to larger areas. Best to avoid until that settles back to Normal.

Unless you score freebies in PI, 25000 p a month for everyday living and having a girl 24/7 everyday is not likely if you had to also pay for the chicks.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857085]Hello all!

I want to come to the Phils: I have to decide, Ukraine or Phils, I search after the cheapest girls.[/QUOTE]Ukraine is better as cheaper, the war has made things so cheap there is deflation I am told by reliable sources.

Another reliable source aka Westie had said same also RTFF.

Choca Monger. Another manager has appeared LOL.

WestCoast1,

I try to send you a private mail but I don't know what RTTF want to say and how do.

Many thanks for yours answers guys.

So 25 000 pesos (500 dollars) is not enough to live and fck every day the same girl in Phils? I talk with girls on dateinasia and they say it's enough, but perhaps it's a scam.

I am not afraid about the situation in Ukraine, I have 500 dollars by month, perhaps it's enough to live in UA and fuck every day them same girl?

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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1857142]Ukraine is the better place. Right, gents?

(Alternately, you could RTTF; and feel free to hit me in PM with specific questions).[/QUOTE]Right, Ukraine is the place right now. Cheapest pussy around. Philippines has too many scams / dangers, especially for those who want to fuck cheap or free.

Ukraine it is!

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857085]
I want to live in Phils, do you thinks 25 000 pesos by month is enough to have a apartment and a girl 24/24?
[/QUOTE]It is extremely foolish to be contemplating actually living in a country that you have not yet visited.

Remember the classic question - "How long is a piece of string?

Apart from your very naive question (Ukraine or Philippines), there are infinitely more variables to consider rather than "cheapest girls" and we all have different priorities regarding living arrangements.

I suggest that you allocate 1 month to be spent in each place using your monthly $500.

You will quickly learn the answers to your questions.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857175]WestCoast1,

I try to send you a private mail but I don't know what RTTF want to say and how do.[/QUOTE]RTTF = Read Through The Forum (on your own, there are plenty of answers there for you to seek out). You cannot PM me because you have not yet purchased a subscription to the forum ($20).

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857175]So 25 000 pesos (500 dollars) is not enough to live and fck every day the same girl in Phils? I talk with girls on dateinasia and they say it's enough, but perhaps it's a scam.[/QUOTE]Its not enough. $500/ month is not enough to live on (rent + food), and certainly you can't afford girls also.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857175]I am not afraid about the situation in Ukraine, I have 500 dollars by month, perhaps it's enough to live in UA and fuck every day them same girl?[/QUOTE]It costs even more to live in Ukraine.

Maybe you can live in Phil and fuck every other day for $500 a month. Of course the exchange rate is better now. I doubt if you would really listen to the seniors here as they may be trying to keep paradise to themselves.

Seems like to me you are the kind of person that has to find out for himself. I say go ahead and get a ticket and come to paradise with $500 and do it. The Filipinas say you can have a great life for that. Why not and do it!

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857175]WestCoast1,

I try to send you a private mail but I don't know what RTTF want to say and how do.

Many thanks for yours answers guys.

So 25 000 pesos (500 dollars) is not enough to live and fck every day the same girl in Phils? I talk with girls on dateinasia and they say it's enough, but perhaps it's a scam.

I am not afraid about the situation in Ukraine, I have 500 dollars by month, perhaps it's enough to live in UA and fuck every day them same girl?

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Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]Like I said before.

25000 p or about $535 US is enough to live on in PI, but don't expect the same lifestyle and everything you have or are accustomed to at home, like having a car to drive etc.

From what you said, if you are ONLY sticking with ONE girl then maybe possible as she will be more or less kinda stays with you and you pay her the bare minimum and nothing more and also stays for free once a while on her own.

But again, don't expect a luxury lifestyle with only 25000 p with a girl in tow as I could easily burn through 25000 a month just on the girls alone.

If you feel ok with the situation in Ukraine than give it a shot and see if it fits your lifestyle. Personally, I avoid places that are in conflicts as I value my own safety above all else. The world is going to shit with all the terrorism without having to go and look for more trouble in conflict zones. The only bloodshed I'll tolerate is having the girls tell me they are having their period and not the kind where a plane could drop a bomb or an artillery shell on my head at anytime. But that's just me.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1857151]Ukraine is better as cheaper, the war has made things so cheap there is deflation I am told by reliable sources. [/QUOTE]Without diving too far into a topic unrelated to Phil, the UAH is now 25 to the US Dollar, whereas it's pre-conflict rate was 8 UAH to the dollar. This makes food and drink incredibly cheap, and to some degree the girls too. But most girls are savvy and negotiate in Dollars negating the deflationary gain.

As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=Sharka;1857294]Personally, I avoid places that are in conflicts as I value my own safety above all else. [/QUOTE]

I'd have to imagine when he says living in Ukraine our newbie friend is talking about Kiev Sharka (because no sane person would want to go to Donetsk or Kharkiv right now). Kiev is totally fine, utterly untouched by the conflict since they cleared the Maidan debris 2 years ago. I've been there 4/5 times since and you honestly wouldn't even know the Russky wolves are at the gate.

Thanks for your answers guys.

In Phils I don't want a luxury life. I just want a bed for night, eat 3 times by days, and fuck 12/24 - 7/7. Nothing else. Not car, not beach, not paradise place.

I don't want to stay in town and expensive price, I prefer found a cool girl in the "campaign" , " countryside" , excuse my poor English language.

Perhaps Valenzuela is a good place for me? I can live in a shnaty town, no problems, if I am sure to fuck like I want!

The same thing for Ukraine, I think about Kherson district not Kiev, to expensive.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857384] ....................Perhaps Valenzuela is a good place for me? I can live in a shnaty town, no problems, if I am sure to fuck like I want!..[/QUOTE]You need security / safety when shagging in foreign countries. The local boys might burst through the door in the middle of a shanty town shag and sort things out. Think you have very little experience, traveling around whoring. Trying to get the cheapest of the cheap all the time, has its problems and dangers. Make sure the girl leaves your room happy, otherwise.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857384]Thanks for your answers guys.

In Phils I don't want a luxury life. I just want a bed for night, eat 3 times by days, and fuck 12/24 - 7/7. Nothing else. Not car, not beach, not paradise place.

I don't want to stay in town and expensive price, I prefer found a cool girl in the "campaign" , " countryside" , excuse my poor English language.

Perhaps Valenzuela is a good place for me? I can live in a shnaty town, no problems, if I am sure to fuck like I want!

The same thing for Ukraine, I think about Kherson district not Kiev, to expensive.[/QUOTE]I'm by no means an expert, but if that's your plan, maybe somewhere up the coast like Subic Bay is a better option.

As for Kherson, I'd rather live in a tramps armpit.

Subic Bay is cheap? I also ear at Samar district it can be cheap and cool for me.

For Kherson, as I ear there is nice girls and cheap. That's all I want, nice and skinny.

I also see at Bangladesh it's cheap, and can found girls like I like but. I prefer white or yellow skin, and small pink pussy, not big gray or brown-black pussy. Buuuu ugly. So I am a little afraid Banglady girls, like Phils girls, have big pussy, not like Euro girls.

I am on dateinasia. I am good looking, I say to girls I win 500 dollars by month, and 50% of her they say it's enough to live with her.

I explain her I just need to eat and give love and sleep in a bed.

Is it a scam? I think many Filipino peoples live with less as 500 dollars by month.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857384]Perhaps Valenzuela is a good place for me? I can live in a shnaty town, no problems, if I am sure to fuck like I want! [/QUOTE]Do you even know where Venezuela is? Do you know the political situation there? Just a few days a go, a Egyptian exiting one airport building to go to another to catch his connecting flight got robbed just outside the building and got shot. Dead. Streets of Caracus are quiet in the expensive areas after dark and dare to do anything at night. Don't even dare go to the ghetto areas as you will be bait and highly likely may not come out alive. If you cannot afford a bullet proof taxi, you may get killed for your cellphone. You may not last even a single day in the poor shanty areas. You would be a feast for the dogs. You want cheap pussy in Latin America? Paraguay. It is land locked country and very laid back. Ascion is the caital and it is a laid back city in a laid back country. There is nothing to see and nothing to do. But there is cheap charming pussy. People are very helpful, pleasant and drink beer all day long! There is something about this country that I like. There is no bullshit. Pretty jovial girls, great food, cheap place to live, no issues and problems. I might even consider it as a retirement place. Easy to get to Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Uruguay etc. Happy hunting. Do read my field reports on Paraguay back in 2014.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1857736]Do you even know where Venezuela is? Do you know the political situation there?[/QUOTE]Life, he wrote "Valenzuela," not "Venezuela." He presumably got the name Valenzuela from some chat session with a woman who lives there. Valenzuela is a city just north of Malabon within Metro Manila. Like other cities on the north side of the metro area, it has plenty of poor shanty people. Imelda Marcos saw to that. As Manila was getting ready to host some Pan-Asian games, she had them moved out of the near-in Manila areas, bulldozed down the areas that visitors might see, and resettled them into slums in Northern Caloocan, Valenzuela, Malabon, and Navotas.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857472]Subic Bay is cheap? I also ear at Samar district it can be cheap and cool for me.
I also see at Bangladesh it's cheap, and can found girls like I like but. I prefer white or yellow skin, and small pink pussy, not big gray or brown-black pussy. Buuuu ugly. So I am a little afraid Banglady girls, like Phils girls, have big pussy, not like Euro girls.[/QUOTE]Samar? It's one thing to meet girls from Samar in Angeles City bars, but, if you plan to live there, you might want to read up on the New People's Army. They are active on Samar Island, and they don't like outside visitors in areas where they operate. If word gets out you're living on $500 a month, they may ignore you, or, if they think your relatives or your country has money, they are not above taking hostages.

Regarding the color of Filipina pussies, you should check out the Photo Gallery. Westcoast coined the term "Chocolate Rose Petals" to describe Filipinas' inner labia. It is an apt description. I find sort of a correlation between the color of their facial lips, their nipples, and their labia, and I find them all exotically beautiful. But you clearly wouldn't care for them. I'm pretty sure Ukrainian pussies would be much pinker and more to your liking, and CSP and others have painted a rosy picture of exchange rates and other favorable features of life in Ukraine. This shouldn't be a difficult decision.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857643]I am on dateinasia. I am good looking, I say to girls I win 500 dollars by month, and 50% of her they say it's enough to live with her.

I explain her I just need to eat and give love and sleep in a bed.

Is it a scam? I think many Filipino peoples live with less as 500 dollars by month.[/QUOTE]Glad you clarified things a little better. With good looks you might not need to use $500.99% of Filipinos make less than 7-8 k a month. Of course they pool their family money together to live on 15 k a month.

No need to worry about a scam. Stick to the 50% that says it is plenty to live with them.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1857736]Do you even know where Venezuela is? Do you know the political situation there? Just a few days a go, a Egyptian exiting one airport building to go to another to catch his connecting flight got robbed just outside the building and got shot. Dead. [/QUOTE]Okay, so maybe I misread your intention. Very informative.

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[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1857472]I prefer white or yellow skin, and small pink pussy, not big gray or brown-black pussy. Buuuu ugly. So I am a little afraid Banglady girls, like Phils girls, have big pussy, not like Euro girls.[/QUOTE]Your dick does not know the difference between the color of the pussy. And how many things do we "prefer" because that is what we see in porno movies or nudie magazines? I would like to see the difference in guys' preferences had those things never existed.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1857736]Do you even know where Venezuela is? Do you know the political situation there? [/QUOTE]I think he was refering to Valenzuela, Philippines and not Venezuela the South American country.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1857750]CSP and others have painted a rosy picture of exchange rates and other favorable features of life in Ukraine. This shouldn't be a difficult decision.[/QUOTE]Ukrainian girls are allergic to broke guys.

I actually think this guy is just pulling our collective leg. Who wants to live in a shanty hut just to get access to LBFMs? I like asian girls as much as the next guy (on this thread), but I wouldn't live in a hovel just to get access to them.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1857750]SNIP But you clearly wouldn't care for them. I'm pretty sure Ukrainian pussies would be much pinker and more to your liking, and CSP and others have painted a rosy picture of exchange rates and other favorable features of life in Ukraine. This shouldn't be a difficult decision.[/QUOTE]We (myself included) are wasting a lot of time / energy dealing with Benjamin (whose posts are being flagged by Jackson). Problema: Poor Ben has no PM function, as he is not yet a paid member. I will try better to ignore such.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1857949]We (myself included) are wasting a lot of time / energy dealing with Benjamin (whose posts are being flagged by Jackson). Problema: Poor Ben has no PM function, as he is not yet a paid member. I will try better to ignore such.[/QUOTE]I think you're probably right, my ignore list just gained a new member.

Somebody told me recently of a new Philippine policy that limits the amount of cash transfers (Western Union, Moneygram, etc.) that individual Filipinos can receive within specific time blocks-- per week, per month, etc. Anybody else heard this or know the details?

This will affect those who support women in the Phils, but may also cut into scams in which the lady has multiple senders.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1858009]Somebody told me recently of a new Philippine policy that limits the amount of cash transfers (Western Union, Moneygram, etc.) that individual Filipinos can receive within specific time blocks-- per week, per month, etc. Anybody else heard this or know the details?[/QUOTE]Makes no sense at all. Maybe this person was pulling an early April Fool's. What are all of the OFWs supposed to do with their money now? Just save up the cash until they go back home?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1857949]We (myself included) are wasting a lot of time / energy dealing with Benjamin [/QUOTE]Or, as respite from some mindless mudslinging in a couple of the threads, some of us are looking for a little levity.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1858014]Makes no sense at all. (snip) What are all of the OFWs supposed to do with their money now? Just save up the cash until they go back home?[/QUOTE]I agree it doesn't make sense for a country that depends on OFWs' remissions. But public policies often only make sense to those who were powerful enough to have imposed their desired goals on the political system. The person who told me this was speaking from an "official" position. I'm pretty sure it wasn't an April Fool's joke.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1857949]We (myself included) are wasting a lot of time / energy dealing with Benjamin (whose posts are being flagged by Jackson). Problema: Poor Ben has no PM function, as he is not yet a paid member. I will try better to ignore such.[/QUOTE]Remember poor Ben would only have US480 (or 2 nights in a shoebox room at Fairmont) left the month he eventually pay. To him, the troll I believe he is, it would mean a lot.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1857949]We (myself included) are wasting a lot of time / energy dealing with Benjamin. Problema: Poor Ben has no PM function, as he is not yet a paid member. [/QUOTE]He has the money for air fare, restaurants, hotels etc yet no $20 for PM facility and juicy 'insider' info. Hope other 'Managers' reading this, get the message. Bye bye Benjamino.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1858024]I agree it doesn't make sense for a country that depends on OFWs' remissions. But public policies often only make sense to those who were powerful enough to have imposed their desired goals on the political system. The person who told me this was speaking from an "official" position. I'm pretty sure it wasn't an April Fool's joke.[/QUOTE]This is a Potemkin country. Rules are always made to benefit someone somewhere in the political / beueaucratic hierarchy. They have nothing to do with actual logic or normalcy.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1858160]This is a Potemkin country. Rules are always made to benefit someone somewhere in the political / beueaucratic hierarchy. They have nothing to do with actual logic or normalcy.

GE.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The country is owned by a very small number of very rich Spanish and Chinese family clans and they will ensure laws and current monopolies remain in their control. Any new laws are always focused in protecting those monopolies. I know nothing of the new law referred to, but to me it smells of trying to force remittances into the banks so that greater commissions, foreign exchange and float can be made by banks which are virtually all owned by the rich family clans.

I suspect most foreign mongers earn more than 48 k pisos a month. The only way 25 k works would be a smooth good looking guy getting a high earning Dollhouse group hottie to take care of him. The downside is she will be sucking x amount of Korean dicks a week. True cheap charlies don't make it to the shores of PI because airfare and hotel alone frightens them. A truly universal good looking guy can exploit an Asian female in his home country. I would not sacrifice or inconvenience my living standards for less than an 8. Your Filipino would have to house and feed you. Most mongers could kill your budget in 2 weekends of barhopping.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1858252]Exactly. The country is owned by a very small number of very rich Spanish and Chinese family clans and they will ensure laws and current monopolies remain in their control. Any new laws are always focused in protecting those monopolies. I know nothing of the new law referred to, but to me it smells of trying to force remittances into the banks so that greater commissions, foreign exchange and float can be made by banks which are virtually all owned by the rich family clans.[/QUOTE]An alternative explanation is that this is an intervention created by the American government in its efforts to detect various forms of money laundering and money being sent to possible bad guys. I will not expand on this idea out of concern for not drawing undue attention to ISG.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1858552]An alternative explanation is that this is an intervention created to detect various forms of money laundering and money being sent to possible bad guys. [/QUOTE]You may well be correct SS.

It's not a Philippines-specific rule.

A similar restriction is now in force in Lao PDR. It may well be more widespread but I don't know.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1858552]An alternative explanation is that this is an intervention created by the American government in its efforts to detect various forms of money laundering and money being sent to possible bad guys. I will not expand on this idea out of concern for not drawing undue attention to ISG.[/QUOTE]Soapy's point may well be correct in light of the latest money laundering scandal during which $81 million mysteriously disappeared into the pockets of whomever in the Philippines. The USG may have finally become seriously pissed off and figured it was time to shut the barn door.

GE.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1857923]Your dick does not know the difference between the color of the pussy. And how many things do we "prefer" because that is what we see in porno movies or nudie magazines? I would like to see the difference in guys' preferences had those things never existed.[/QUOTE]Color is the spice of life. I enjoy women of all different cultures, different skin tones, more the merrier. I am one of them who gets bored with the same thing and hence divorced early in my life to enjoy the variety that is world over. Not sure I'llbe able to do all the various countries but will keep pumping away!

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1858252]Exactly. The country is owned by a very small number of very rich Spanish and Chinese family clans and they will ensure laws and current monopolies remain in their control. Any new laws are always focused in protecting those monopolies. I know nothing of the new law referred to, but to me it smells of trying to force remittances into the banks so that greater commissions, foreign exchange and float can be made by banks which are virtually all owned by the rich family clans.[/QUOTE]First, yes, the country is owned by 5 rich families and their endless children. I was with one of these families on my last trip and got to see how the 1% live. Laws are made to the benefit of the powerful and the rich. The poor get promises at elections and about 200 pesos to vote for the powerful. The elected make up for the money spent on masses during election by their cuts on projects that are awarded, that could be millions of USD dollars. Next, Money Laundering laws were made for most of the public. The politicians made sure that the Casinos were NOT regulated. How convenient. The 81 million went to 3 casinos in Philippines. As it appears, the security cameras were not working at the Bank in Manila on the day the transfers were made to the casinos. Again, how convenient. The Bank Manager will get a big slice of the money and a pat on her back for setting up the accounts and ensuring that the securing cameras were turned off. Maybe employee of the year award for her!

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1857927]Ukrainian girls are allergic to broke guys.
.[/QUOTE] haha, This trait is universal among the female gender regardless of country. They are born with this genetic trait, but it's infinitely worst in a wife.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1857311]. Kiev is totally fine, utterly untouched by the conflict since they cleared the Maidan debris 2 years ago. I've been there 4/5 times since and you honestly wouldn't even know the Russky wolves are at the gate.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I do agree with that but it's just the fact they are at the gate that worries me if further hostility broke out. But again, that's just me.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Sharka;1859425]Yeah, I do agree with that but it's just the fact they are at the gate that worries me if further hostility broke out. But again, that's just me.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, Trump will save us all Sharka.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1859496]Don't worry, Trump will save us all Sharka.[/QUOTE]Well well I do follow mr Trump's campaign with a certain touch of humor. He adds entertainment to the normaly boring pre election swada. If an entertainer is what US needs as president is a different matter. The man got some balls and a rather large ego (and far to much moneys). As he obviously attracks people who normaly wouldn't vote this can be more exciting than many people think. Time will show.

Someone was asking about sending small amounts of money without taking a bath on the fees. Bitcoin would be a cheap way. They could pick it up at Palawan, LBC, bank, or whatever. And if you had another bitcoin account in your country, you could transfer larger sums to your PH wallet without a taking big hit on ATM and transfer fees. You can even send 30 peso or more load to any CP number. [URL]https://coins.ph/app/cash-out[/URL].

IN USA, you can open a Global Filipino account in a PNB account. Very little fees up to $2100 per month you can put.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1859731]Someone was asking about sending small amounts of money without taking a bath on the fees. Bitcoin would be a cheap way. They could pick it up at Palawan, LBC, bank, or whatever. And if you had another bitcoin account in your country, you could transfer larger sums to your PH wallet without a taking big hit on ATM and transfer fees. You can even send 30 peso or more load to any CP number. [URL]https://coins.ph/app/cash-out[/URL].[/QUOTE]

I remember reading scam reports where the girl would accuse one of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and go to police, and from there one would directly be deported to jail before questioning.

"Friend of mine" had this one girl in his hotel from a girlie bar that started bleeding during sex. So of course he stopped right away. Whether it was menstruation blood is not known however she said he [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her, while laughing about it.

He became panicky having have heard about scam stories in that regard and let her go home with a tip and taxi money and in the same day flew out of the country to finish his holiday somewhere nearby.

Should he be worried coming back into the country?

You have a good memory or you are OCD. You have posted this twice after your first post for a total of 3 posts.

Anyone who can really answer this question has been deported to the mens station located in Bola Bola City awaiting monthly trials.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1860345]You have a good memory or you are OCD. You have posted this twice after your first post for a total of 3 posts.[/QUOTE]Sorry about that, just was really concerned about this question and hoped to get an answer. Promise this is the last time.

Guys,

Have you been meeting girls that give you there Facebook, I find it useful as you can stay in touch using messenger but also you can get an understanding of the girls. Have you guys had good experience of using Facebook.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1862502]I have very strange experiences to talk on Facebook and in amny other dating sites. I'm an old man and I'm thinking the Philippines are a strange country because I am not able to get a friend, all the girls want to marry me.

Even the most beautiful and young girls want to marry me in Manila and for this reason I cannot get friends.[/QUOTE]"old man" = "money".

[QUOTE=Aussiegaigin;1862674]"old man" = "money".[/QUOTE]Yes. I think the correct mathematical equation goes:- old man * thickness of wallet * '0's" in bank account / low libido = PERFECT HUSBAND. Marry me honey.

[QUOTE=CabDriver;1862472]Guys,

Have you been meeting girls that give you there Facebook. Have you guys had good experience of using Facebook.[/QUOTE]First and foremost I use Facebook as a verification tool. It's very easy to tell the fakes and scammers by what photos have been uploaded and the basic makeup of their timeline. As someone has already pointed out, if she doesn't have other family members as friends and just had lots of guys, chances are something's fishy.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1862880]First and foremost I use Facebook as a verification tool. It's very easy to tell the fakes and scammers by what photos have been uploaded and the basic makeup of their timeline. As someone has already pointed out, if she doesn't have other family members as friends and just had lots of guys, chances are something's fishy.[/QUOTE]Many pinay keep more than one FB account. One is a personal account for the girl and her closest friends (includes her BF). The other one is a more public "normal" account, designed to show to everyone else (ie, you and other foreigners / strangers). There might even be a 3rd or 4th FB account for the same girl.

As an example: Assume her name is Maria Legaspi (I made that name up just now). The FB account for this girl is searchable in FB as Maria Legaspi. That's the one you are communicating with her, and all will appear that she wants you to see: pics of her, some of her school chums or friends, or family. She might have a second FB account that is very different; try searching for her name spelled backwards (airam ipsagel). On this second account you will probably see a more racy side to the same innocent college gal (including pics of her with her gwapo pinoy BF). Huts put me onto this a while ago (thanks! And I've found several young 'normal' / 'good' girls who have an absolutely wild side.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?863-Ghana[/URL]

Please read the report #3738.

That's report happened in Ghana, certainly never read this kind of situation in Philippine forum. Any body have this kind of experience or scam in Philippine? If any please give us light on this.

Search on youtube for "Old Filipino Doctor Brutally Knockout a Young American Kick Boxer".

[QUOTE=MuaTur;1864791][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?863-Ghana[/URL]

Please read the report #3738.

That's report happened in Ghana, certainly never read this kind of situation in Philippine forum. Any body have this kind of experience or scam in Philippine? If any please give us light on this.[/QUOTE]Not to me. It has been mentioned before here, but I don't recall whether it was firsthand experience. I have been very fortunate *knock wood*. My worst experience was an "up to you" girl; I prefer to discuss price and activities before leaving the bar. Deed is done and I gave her p3000. She then demanded p5000. We haggled back and forth but it was an impasse. I pretended to call front desk security. She called someone on her mobile and said, "I have the evidence." Her trump card was stronger than mine. I paid her p5000 and sent her on her way. Certainly not a financially painful scam, but lesson well learnt.

I try to post valuable information or make comments to contribute positively to help fellow members to travel in an ease. However, being a paid member of this board, I do get private mails and many of them are creepy.

For Example:

#1 I posted a FR regarding my Davao City experience. An a creep ask me to provide my dates phone # so he could f* her. (I blocked him).

#2 I posted an experience regarding Manila Bay Cafe and a creep writing to provide phone numbers of my contacts in Pacific Northwest Area (I blocked him).

#3 I posted information regarding a DIA contact, a creep asked me to provide her information (I blocked him).

Now examples are more than the ones I post.


Why don't you do your own leg work to have fun?

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1864966]I try to post valuable information or make comments to contribute positively to help fellow members to travel in an ease. However, being a paid member of this board, I do get private mails and many of them are creepy.

For Example:

#1 I posted a FR regarding my Davao City experience. An a creep ask me to provide my dates phone # so he could f* her. (I blocked him).

#2 I posted an experience regarding Manila Bay Cafe and a creep writing to provide phone numbers of my contacts in Pacific Northwest Area (I blocked him).

#3 I posted information regarding a DIA contact, a creep asked me to provide her information (I blocked him).

Now examples are more than the ones I post.

What makes you think that I would furnish information you don't need to know?

Why don't you do your own leg work to have fun?[/QUOTE]Welcome to the 'manager' class (as these trolls / lurkers etc are called on the UAE board). Plenty of them around, some can cause lots of problems for some of us, ruin a good relationship by showing the lady the board and posts / photos etc.

I (and others) get many of these PMs some from zero posters and mainly from those with no contributions. I got one recently and the troll PMed about 10 seniors who I know in the UAE asking for contacts and advice (he has 3 FRs all asking questions).

I ignore them mainly but he UAE board now has a separate thread for this behavior where we out a few of the really stupid PMs etc.

Maybe we should do it here?

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1864966]I try to post valuable information or make comments to contribute positively to help fellow members to travel in an ease. However, being a paid member of this board, I do get private mails and many of them are creepy.

For Example:

#1 I posted a FR regarding my Davao City experience. An a creep ask me to provide my dates phone # so he could f* her. (I blocked him).

#2 I posted an experience regarding Manila Bay Cafe and a creep writing to provide phone numbers of my contacts in Pacific Northwest Area (I blocked him).

#3 I posted information regarding a DIA contact, a creep asked me to provide her information (I blocked him).

Now examples are more than the ones I post.

What makes you think that I would furnish information you don't need to know?

Why don't you do your own leg work to have fun?[/QUOTE]Don't worry, the world is full of these sad fellows who assume that because one man scored, they can equally do so with same girl. They haven't the brains to realise that one man can find the words, mannerisms, humour and successful engagement of girl that results in full enjoyment. These sad fellows clearly lack the social skills to engage with women and seem to think we live in a point and shoot world. They also belong to the " give me give me " generation whereby they want what we have simply because we have it. India and Malaysia are full of the Neanderthals. Within moments of a post about a girl they will inundate your inbox with " hey bro, send me her digits". You can ignore them, or happily send them a steady stream of fake and false numbers. Or suggest they get a life and try to develop their own pick up skills that they so clearly lack.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1865024]Welcome to the 'manager' class (as these trolls / lurkers etc are called on the UAE board). Plenty of them around, some can cause lots of problems for some of us, ruin a good relationship by showing the lady the board and posts / photos etc.

I (and others) get many of these PMs some from zero posters and mainly from those with no contributions. I got one recently and the troll PMed about 10 seniors who I know in the UAE asking for contacts and advice (he has 3 FRs all asking questions).

I ignore them mainly but he UAE board now has a separate thread for this behavior where we out a few of the really stupid PMs etc.

Maybe we should do it here?[/QUOTE]See, WR and FF, that's the advantage of never posting about sexual experiences, never posting photos and thus never providing reasons for the trolls to contact you. The PM, s I get are typically thoughtful and obviously written by people with quantifiable intelligence. On the rare occasions I receive PMs such as those you've eloquently described, I just ignore them, and I rarely agree to meet guys who request to get together unless they've been vetted by others, such as yourselves, whom I know personally. Saves lots of potential hassle and embarrassment. Why grown men, even newbies, would need personal help in a country teeming with potential targets is somewhat tought to understand, especially since the posts of guys like Donald and others are collectively, a detailed "how-to" guide.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1865092]See, WR and FF, that's the advantage of never posting about sexual experiences, never posting photos and thus never providing reasons for the trolls to contact you. The PM, s I get are typically thoughtful and obviously written by people with quantifiable intelligence.GE.[/QUOTE]I get the entire range of PM's. Its the lurkers that I find interesting. I get my share of requests for digits of this or that recently posted naked pilipina. But many of the gents who send those requests have such few posts (often 1 or 2), over many years, that it boggles my mind just a bit that they passively read the board for years, just *waiting and waiting* to go somewhere and play like many of us do. For instance, when I get such a request from a gent, they usually start off with this thought: "Long-time watcher on the board. Have loved your pics (or posts). Blah blah". A quick check of his entire posting history might include one post in 2008 (Safe Sex forum), and another in 2012 (Canadian thread) where he asked a question on the open board. Followed by his PM to me in 2015.

One must ask: What makes a gent read ISG for years and years, pay money to belong to it (true, the $20 is small), and never leave home (or if he does, he never posts)?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1865092].<SNIP>. . The PM's I get are typically thoughtful and obviously written by people with quantifiable intelligence. On the rare occasions I receive PMs such as those you've eloquently described, I just ignore them, and I rarely agree any more to meet guys from ISG who request to get together. . . .".
[/QUOTE]I agree wholeheartedly with GE.

I think some posters here give out way too much detail about their exploits (without naming names).

It was former US President Calvin Coolidge who famously said "I have noticed that nothing I never said ever did me any harm" which is often paraphrased as "I never got into trouble for something I didn't say".

It can well be I exposure myself to much here, other can be the judge of that but since I have gotten some heat (beeing outed and girls found out, long time ago now, but still) I have taken proper safety measurment myself as in I never never tell when I come, when I am here or where I stay (even if that last one doesn't need a sherlock to come by). I have gotten msg from newly created members through PM's, from girls or there protectors, "lets meet here and there". Luckely I don't meet others than well adjusted posters anyway so no chance in hell I meet newly signed up members or as westie say members who doesn't do anything but lurk (its creepy anyway). So far I have met WR (he is a crazy bloke in a nice way so that was all fun) and one Marcos in Thailand (he was a cheapo so we was a tad to different). All post beeing made by me is when I am gone or are they? Who knows (I guess probably administrator could find out where my IP adress comes from if I am not using VPN, maybe I do).

I was about to stop posting, anything for a while but then I thought I wouldn't let the save a hoe guys or girls win. I risk very little posting and now that I have started blurring all the heat went away. Well I have the occational "is the girl in this or that pic ms xxxx or yyyy but so far without one exception (I think Pcp out) everyone have been wrong in their assumptions.

I lurk as well but I also contribute amd will continue to do so until I get caught from homebase (my GF). Well actually then its no need to stop either hehe bcs then I will have so much to come clrea with so our rel will never survive that one.

I have been trying iron out details of a trip to Philippines. Specifically, leaving.

I need to catch a noon flight out of NAIA terminal 1 on a Monday.

I am flying into NAIA from Cebu on a yet to be booked flight. The posts I have been reading seem to suggest that I need 2 - 3 hours to get from the domestic terminal to the international terminal, given the cluster fuck that is NAIA.

Can anyone confirm?

Advice?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1866856]I have been trying iron out details of a trip to Philippines. Specifically, leaving.

I need to catch a noon flight out of NAIA terminal 1 on a Monday.

I am flying into NAIA from Cebu on a yet to be booked flight. The posts I have been reading seem to suggest that I need 2 - 3 hours to get from the domestic terminal to the international terminal, given the cluster fuck that is NAIA.

Can anyone confirm?

Advice?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Much depends o the time you arrive BT. Allow 2-3 hours is plenty; of time just depends what the queues are like and your budget IMHO. Having done this I would not recommend the shuttle bus as that was like a mass scrum and I ended up with my suitcase on my head!!

Ask a taxi to take you there and pay him the rate to Makati say 500 pesos and arrive in time, clean, not sweating and cursing.

Then you have to face T1 of course and that ca also be a pain in the backside LOL.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1866856]I am flying into NAIA from Cebu on a yet to be booked flight. The posts I have been reading seem to suggest that I need 2 - 3 hours to get from the domestic terminal to the international terminal, given the cluster fuck that is NAIA.

Can anyone confirm? Advice?[/QUOTE]Couple of thoughts:

1. Yes, it can be a cluster-fuck trying to get a taxi. When you finally get one, and tell him where you want to go, he might want to over-charge you an extra 100-200 or so pesos (just effing pay it; nothing can be more humiliating than missing your long-bow flight over a $4 argument with a taxi driver). During the "cluster-fuck" hours, it can take 30+ minutes to go from one terminal to another in a taxi (I would guess the distance to be 2 miles or less).

2. Take the free shuttle bus (its blue). It runs between terminals all day long. There is a bus schedule (its large, you can't miss it) by the chairs where people sit and wait for the bus. The schedule shows a bus departure about every 30 minutes. However, the bus is routinely 15-30 minutes late, might take 1 hour to reach your intended terminal after it departs, and sometimes the bus is packed with humanity.

My two-cents worth: plan for at least 3 hours from the time your (Cebu) plane lands, to the time you need to walk into the other (Int'l) terminal. Not 3 hours between landing time and departure time. You should be in walking into your Int'l terminal 2-3 hours before its scheduled departure time. So, as an example, your Int'l flight is scheduled to depart NAIA at 4 pm. You want to walk into that terminal at 1 pm (I am playing it very safe here for you, plenty of time to get checked in, thru security, and to your gate and pick up a Starbucks latte). You will want your Cebu flight to land no later than by 10 am (3 hours prior to your 1 pm entrance to your Int'l terminal). I realize that 6 hours total between landing in one aircraft and departing in another aircraft at the same airport sounds crazy and like [I][B]way[/B][/I] too much time, but remember: your in Philippines. Where the pussy is great, whilst most other items don't stack up to western standards, including the fact that locals don't view time the same way you do, failed infrastructure and culture brings on the cluster-fuck, and the airport consists of terminals that are not physically connected. Haha what could *possibly* go wrong! Better to be sitting at the gate, way early, bored, than to miss a flight.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1866856]I have been trying iron out details of a trip to Philippines. Specifically, leaving.

I need to catch a noon flight out of NAIA terminal 1 on a Monday.

I am flying into NAIA from Cebu on a yet to be booked flight. The posts I have been reading seem to suggest that I need 2 - 3 hours to get from the domestic terminal to the international terminal, given the cluster fuck that is NAIA.

Can anyone confirm?

Advice?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You have gotten good advice from WR and WC.

Lately many flight are delayed a few hours due to NAIA being backed up. I would suggest that you fly into Manila the night before to make sure you are there and not stress over a delayed flight and missing the one home. Get a room for the night and then fly out Leisurely the next day.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1866856]I have been trying iron out details of a trip to Philippines. Specifically, leaving.

I need to catch a noon flight out of NAIA terminal 1 on a Monday.
I am flying into NAIA from Cebu on a yet to be booked flight. The posts I have been reading seem to suggest that I need 2 - 3 hours
Can anyone confirm?
Advice?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Years ago, in Cagayan de Oro, I missed my PAL flight to MNL and luckily was able to book on Cebu Pacific, and I caught my international flight back to USA. In Cebu the traffic can be really bad, and there are just too many things that can go wrong, causing you to miss your flight. Please, if at all possible, fly back to MNL the day before your flight. Relax. You don't need the stress.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1867017]You have gotten good advice from WR and WC.

Lately many flight are delayed a few hours due to NAIA being backed up. I would suggest that you fly into Manila the night before to make sure you are there and not stress over a delayed flight and missing the one home. Get a room for the night and then fly out Leisurely the next day.[/QUOTE]To add further to the good advice provided, I'd also book a hotel within reasonable distance to the airport. Traffic can be a nighmare.

GE.

Thanks for all the great advice gentlemen! I guess I will be flying back to Manila on the Sunday as I have missed flights before due to 3rd world business / scheduling practises.

I am staying in Pasay when I first get there so I guess I will stay there when I return. Hopefully Manila is not as bad as I have been reading, though as I have posted $7000 php is pretty expensive for a roommate. That kind of pricing can get you amazing quality in latin America.

From the US State Dept, today (they update this every few months):

[I]The Department of State warns U.S. citizens to avoid all non-essential travel to the Sulu Archipelago and through the southern Sulu Sea, and to exercise extreme caution when traveling to the island of Mindanao, due to continued terrorist threats, insurgent activities and kidnappings.This Travel Warning replaces the Travel Warning dated October 21, 2015.

U.S. citizens should continue to defer non-essential travel to the Sulu Archipelago, due to the high threat of kidnapping of international travelers, increased threat of maritime kidnappings against small boats in the vicinity of the Sulu Archipelago, and violence linked to insurgency and terrorism there.

U.S. citizens should defer non-essential travel through the southern Sulu Sea region from the southern tip of Palawan, along the coast of Sabah, Malaysia and the islands of the Sulu Archipelago, up to Zamboanga City, Mindanao. Terrorist and insurgent groups based in the Sulu Archipelago continue to target foreigners for kidnapping in the Eastern Sabah province of Malaysia and in the southern Sulu Sea area.

U.S. citizens should also continue to exercise extreme caution if traveling to certain regions and cities of the island of Mindanao. Separatist and terrorist groups continue to carry out attacks and kidnappings against civilians, foreigners, political leaders, and Philippine security forces in Mindanao. Since January 2015, at least 15 separate kidnappings have been reported across Mindanao. In western Mindanao, terrorist, insurgent, and criminal gangs regularly conduct kidnappings for ransom, including the kidnapping of a foreigner in Dipolog City in early October 2015 by unknown assailants. In central Mindanao, the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters (BIFF) remains active in the Cotabato City area, and in the Maguindanao, North Cotabato, and Sultan Kudarat provinces, where the government maintains a state of emergency and a greater police presence. While there have been no recent reported terrorist threats or incidents within the Davao City or Surigao city limits, eastern Mindanao is not free from threats. In September 2015, assailants belonging to the Abu Sayyaf Group kidnapped four individuals, including three foreigners, from the popular resort island of Samal, a 15 minute boat ride from Davao City. There have been no reports of U.S. citizens in Mindanao targeted specifically for their nationality; however, general threats to U.S. citizens and other foreigners throughout Mindanao remain a concern.

Although U.S. government officials in the Philippines travel to Mindanao for official business without incident, the Embassy has imposed strict restrictions on all but the most essential travel to the area, and Embassy employees must receive special authorization from Embassy security officials to travel to any location in Mindanao or the Sulu Archipelago.

[/I]

Thanks WC, I got the same warning this morning. Seems like the thrust of the message never changes much, though the word choices may vary slightly. The fact is that Davao and General Santos and CDO remain safe, and I don't think anyone should have any qualms about going to any of these. The points about Sulu and Zamboanga are well taken, but would normally be off limits to foreigners in any case as there's so little of interest in either place. Cotabato and all of North and South Cotabato should be avoided as well, but then I'm not sure why any tourist would want to go there. Davao-based tourists are still apparently going to resorts on Samal, so I'm guessing that the recent kidnappings weren't much of a deterrent.

GE.

All right, I am going to fly into Manila from Cebu Sunday night for my Monday morning. 11:45 am flight back home.

I guess that means I am leaving around 8 - 8:30 am to go to the airport.

Hotel I am staying at initially is 5 km from the airport. I can get one about 1. 5 km from the airport.

Am I too nit picky or should I leave earlier / stay closer?

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1869396]All right, I am going to fly into Manila from Cebu Sunday night for my Monday morning. 11:45 am flight back home.

I guess that means I am leaving around 8 - 8:30 am to go to the airport.

Hotel I am staying at initially is 5 km from the airport. I can get one about 1. 5 km from the airport.

Am I too nit picky or should I leave earlier / stay closer?[/QUOTE]Once again, plan to arrive at the Int'l terminal at NAIA by 8:45 (3 hours before flight time). You may have to wait in a long line outside the airport, just to get inside (initial luggage security screening and x-ray machine). Have your passport and itinerary in hand. Once inside the airport (good luck finding television screens with flight info / departure times), find your airline, and queue up in long line to check in and get a boarding pass. Then pass thru long-line secondary security checkpoint (remove belt, men and women in different queues). No kidding, from arrival at the airport to getting thru the secondary security check can often be 90 minutes. After that, head to your gate. Boarding starts 30 minutes prior to scheduled departure.

1. 5 km from the airport is much smarter. I'd leave by 8 am to be there by 8:45. I am being very cautious / conservative in my estimates. Its very possible you can shortcut on the time here and be fine. But better safe than sorry. If you are staying at the farther hotel, leave by 7:30. Manila traffic is never "good", and just when you least expect it (and can least afford the time), you get the troppik-cluster-f*ck.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1869396]All right, I am going to fly into Manila from Cebu Sunday night for my Monday morning. 11:45 am flight back home.I guess that means I am leaving around 8 - 8:30 am to go to the airport.r?[/QUOTE]Are you on a good airline? Not flying coach? Can you check in on-line? Do you have frequent flyer status? Otherwise, you better plan to join the 3-hour early crowd.

Thanks WestCoast1, your guidance is invaluable.

Hope I can return the favor should you want to venture into Latin America, me I am good with Cuba, more havana than the rest, VJ is much better with Medellin while I am okay With Peirera, Armenia, Manizales and Cali.

The best advice for pretty much anything and everything in the Philippines:

Never be in a hurry. Read that line twice, this time, slowly.

Arguably not always practical. Certainly not innate to most not of Filipino decent or fully acclimatized to the culture.

But believe me it is the key to less stress, lower blood pressure and a million other ailments.

It's the only advice I give to friends who first time visitors.

Eva Air now has a Taipei- Cebu flights daily. It arrive around 10 am and very perfect time to save a day during the trip. Eva do have several connections from North America.

International arrival: After some remodeling customs is a breeze to pass. However, before the customs they do have a Health Check Desk and it causes a long line. But it also goes fast.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1869458]Once again, plan to arrive at the Int'l terminal at NAIA by 8:45 (3 hours before flight time). You may have to wait in a long line outside the airport, just to get inside (initial luggage security screening and x-ray machine). Have your passport and itinerary in hand. Once inside the airport (good luck finding television screens with flight info / departure times), find your airline, and queue up in long line to check in and get a boarding pass. Then pass thru long-line secondary security checkpoint (remove belt, men and women in different queues). No kidding, from arrival at the airport to getting thru the secondary security check can often be 90 minutes. After that, head to your gate. Boarding starts 30 minutes prior to scheduled departure.

1. 5 km from the airport is much smarter. I'd leave by 8 am to be there by 8:45. I am being very cautious / conservative in my estimates. Its very possible you can shortcut on the time here and be fine. But better safe than sorry. If you are staying at the farther hotel, leave by 7:30. Manila traffic is never "good", and just when you least expect it (and can least afford the time), you get the troppik-cluster-f*ck.[/QUOTE]NAIA is, admittedly, va nightmare and has a well-earned reputation as the world's worst airport. However, if, as pointed out by others, you can check in for your flight in line, and then print out a boarding pass, you might be able to go directly to Immigration, thus bypassing long, slow moving check-in lines.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1871378]NAIA is, admittedly, va nightmare and has a well-earned reputation as the world's worst airport. However, if, as pointed out by others, you can check in for your flight in line, and then print out a boarding pass, you might be able to go directly to Immigration, thus bypassing long, slow moving check-in lines.

GE.[/QUOTE]Is there a quick way to check luggage (assuming online checking / boarding pass)? Also, boarding pass or not, he will have to wait in the line outside to get thru the initial luggage screening.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1871442]Is there a quick way to check luggage (assuming online checking / boarding pass)? Also, boarding pass or not, he will have to wait in the line outside to get thru the initial luggage screening.[/QUOTE]Correct.

There is no way to bypass the initial baggage screening as you enter any of the terminals.

However, I have just used PAL (Sunday and Tuesday) with on-line check-in and pre-printed boarding passes and if you have carry-on only you go straight through to the departure areas. Note that I said "boarding passes" because you need to print out 2 passes; one for the gate check to keep and the other for the plane and your records

If you need to check-in a bag then you go to a "bag-drop" line which bypasses the long meandering lines to get to the check-in counter.

I don't know about Cebu Pacific at Terminal 3 as I try to bypass that terminal altogether. Wherever possible I use PAL's Terminal 2 (for international travel too) because the aircon is much cooler and conditions less cramped.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1871464]Correct.

I don't know about Cebu Pacific at Terminal 3 as I try to bypass that terminal altogether. Wherever possible I use PAL's Terminal 2 (for international travel too) because the aircon is much cooler and conditions less cramped.[/QUOTE]They also accept the mobile phone records. You can show the pass to the guard your ID and matching e-record, they let you in.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1871464]Correct.

There is no way to bypass the initial baggage screening as you enter any of the terminals.

However, I have just used PAL (Sunday and Tuesday) with on-line check-in and pre-printed boarding passes and if you have carry-on only you go straight through to the departure areas. Note that I said "boarding passes" because you need to print out 2 passes; one for the gate check to keep and the other for the plane and your records

If you need to check-in a bag then you go to a "bag-drop" line which bypasses the long meandering lines to get to the check-in counter.

I don't know about Cebu Pacific at Terminal 3 as I try to bypass that terminal altogether. Wherever possible I use PAL's Terminal 2 (for international travel too) because the aircon is much cooler and conditions less cramped.[/QUOTE]I have used Terminal 3 a couple of times in the last year and it wasn't that bad. The aircon could be better indeed but the lines for baggage screening and immigration were not that long.
But maybe I was just lucky. I did see long lines for the initial baggage screening at one of the entrances, I believe it was for domestic flights (Cebu Pacific).

I always check in on line and print out my boarding pass (or my hotel reception prints it out for me) so I can bypass the long lines at the check-in counter.
However I've never heard before that you need to print out 2 boarding passes. I've always printed out just one and no one at the gate check ever wanted to keep that one. And anyway sometimes I got a new boarding pass at the baggage drop of counter. Just one.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1871464]

I don't know about Cebu Pacific at Terminal 3 as I try to bypass that terminal altogether. Wherever possible I use PAL's Terminal 2 (for international travel too) because the aircon is much cooler and conditions less cramped.[/QUOTE]I use it most times I'm in Manila, if you check in online, you'll find the "Web Check in" bag drop queue empty whilst the standard check in queues are long. Getting through security and immigration generally takes less than 10 minutes. They have a bar and a few small restaurants airside, perfectly reasonable experience.

My one tip would be on entering terminal 3 (especially if you have a foreign passport), use the far end entrance (Emirates) and not the CP door, which always has long queues. The Emirates door is always empty and a quick flash of the passport is enough to get through. Last time through I was airside within 10 minutes of being dropped off in the taxi.

I'm with RK in that I use Termjnal 2 almost exclusively, and will only venture near Terminal 3 if I've got no choice. I never check bags, and I'm usually through security and in the lounge within 10 minutes of arriving outside the terminal, having checked in on line and printed my boarding passes.

GE.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1871495]
However I've never heard before that you need to print out 2 boarding passes. I've always printed out just one and no one at the gate check ever wanted to keep that one. And anyway sometimes I got a new boarding pass at the baggage drop of counter. Just one.[/QUOTE]I might have mislead you Mogs. I was referring to PAL.

When you print out your boarding pass from the PAL website you get a single page with two passes on it.

One is designated for the "agent" at the gate and one is for your records and to carry on the plane. They use the copy left at the gate to cross-check that all booked passengers are on board.

They are required to do that in case someone checks on a bomb in their bags but doesn't board the plane.

The first time I used it I never cut it in half and the girl then had difficulty in tearing it in half as I went through the final check before boarding the plane.

So each time now I cut the page in half so that I have 2 copies.

Prepare yourself for any departure from any NAIA terminal and remind yourself it is impartially ranked as one of the worst airports in the world and will remain so for the foreseeable future. That way you will build your tolerance before arriving at the airport. Be prepared to sit on the floor air-side in terminal 2 if there are many flights departing such as in the evening. Maybe take a sandwich with you as terminal 2 lacks any meaningful food. Toilets facilities are very limited. Terminal 3 has better food facilities, especially in check-in area upper floor. Terminal 3 of course requires you to join long lines outside the building to pass first stage security to get into the building. Air-side there a few small food outlets with very mediocre food, mainly Filipino food. Toilet facilities have improved air-side. Some international airlines such as Singapore Airlines allow you to check in your bags early, but then your bags will be in the loading area for a while and sticky hands may go into your bags. The check in area of terminal 3 is usually a heaving mass of humanity and getting a seat at times can be totally impossible with the masses usually sitting around on the floor. The car park next to terminal 3 is always totally full when I go there. In all cases, read the Philippine press and be aware of the scams inside all terminals, especially in the so called security check areas. You will note that Filipinos commonly duct tape of plastic wrap their carry on and check in bags. They do not do this for fun!

The sky is not falling contrary to other reports.

T1 and T3 are not shitholes. T4 is a lot smaller and easy to navigate. I have no experience with T2. If you have food preferences then common sense would tell you to pack your own lunch.

On most occasions you can use the porters at T1 and T3 and bypass the long wait at the first X-ray machine. A tip of P100 is well worth my time to bypass the lines.

Yes, most domestic flights are delayed several hours most days. Just be aware of that and chill out. Bring something to read. Bring a cell charger adapter with double USB charging outlets and meet a new friend.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1871942]The sky is not falling contrary to other reports.

T1 and T3 are not shitholes. T4 is a lot smaller and easy to navigate. I have no experience with T2. If you have food preferences then common sense would tell you to pack your own lunch.

On most occasions you can use the porters at T1 and T3 and bypass the long wait at the first X-ray machine. A tip of P100 is well worth my time to bypass the lines.

Yes, most domestic flights are delayed several hours most days. Just be aware of that and chill out. Bring something to read. Bring a cell charger adapter with double USB charging outlets and meet a new friend.[/QUOTE]The only terminal in Naias surroundings I've never been to is T4 (I don't know what qualifies as a terminal but I've seen better refugeecamps than the T4 (bypassing only)).

From the T1 to T3 I find T3 the best;.

T3: This is ofcourse influated by me mostly depart with the so so midnight EK flight (used to depart 00:20 am but have now changed to 11:50 pm). As a side note I have tried explained this change to some girls but they can not see the big point, can you guys?? Its of extreme importancy when you book your ticket? Others than that I keep my arriving at the airport no more than 60 min ahead of ETD a golden rule. I've been as late as ETD 45 min but I guess beeing Platinum keeps a check in counter open. From my Makati apt I estimate 30 min traveltime and that's it. Sometimes we get T3 a bit faster sometimes a bit slower. I've never missed my plane though. I have both due to miles and / or tickets allways access to first or biz lounges. The Skyviewshit lounge at Naia I've visited one time and never again (I hear from friends though that aircon works again and its like an artic environment in there). Don't care realy bcs I arrive late at airport even so.

T2: How someone can prefer this shitty terminal and airline dep / arr from here above something else beats me. Phil Air (PR) is amongst my worst airlines. I fly many airlines during one year and in a 42 yo long life and from those I've been actively flying maybe 20 of them Phil Air is in class with Iranian Mahan and / or Iran Air. I view everything by businessclass or better by the way. Phil Air in my book don't have a businessclass. Maybe their best class would be premium economy in more western airlines. I give Phil Air a bit attantion bcs they are T2 and without them who knows the fuck.

Even so I've travelled through T2 sometimes. I book for lonhaul tickets maybe 1 to 2 days ahead. If I've been to Thailand or Beijing I have just met at the counter and booked tickets there with PR bcs its been the closest departuring airline. T2 as economy I can not elaborate but as biz customer it has to be the worst lounge I've ever encountered. I've grown tired from lounges / airports so if I have a chance I foucus more on how late can I get to the airport and still catch my flight. T2 and its biz, even if renovated, still sucks. Nothing compared to other airlines and its designated biz lounges around the globe. If PR try to become a intl actor they better pimp up their game. I will fly them again if I am in BKK and suddenly "have" to go MNL or oposit and they are the first choice of dep.

T1: I hated T1 for a long time. Since I live in Europe, Qatar, Thai and lastly Turkish, have been okay for flying here. Since I mostly stay in Makati I find T3 better as in location so its normaly an easy breezy drive to my Makati stay. If I stay other places I sometimes choose airlines due to bookings of hotel or in reversed order (depends a tad on where most of my upcomming girlieobject is based). I allways fly First or Biz. T1 seems unpopular but what they have for installed lately is actually working AC (air condition), not the nasty place. Even if I am not price sensitive I choose Thai with campaign prices for Biz like US2000 return ticket than paying US4000 with an airline arriving another terminal. T1 was bad but its okay now bcs airlines want to go at least not so many major big airlines fly T1 anymore so immigration is easy breeze.

Arriving last time T3 (EK) I almost fainted as both peoplemovers worked (electiontime I guess). For a good year, or longer, the first and last one (of only two) have rotated beeing out of order. Dep wice I arrive T3 60 min prior to departure. This hours no lines and the last year I've never been asked for any booking comfirmation (I have it available though in my pad). Just walking inside, screening my bag, to the Biz / First class counter, sexurity (hehe) and the board aircraft. T3 is basically best bcs I can spend as little time there as possible.

Took only 90 minutes today from AC to NAIA T3 this Sunday morning. No stop and go traffic at all. Left AC at 09:30.

Best to bring your own cellophane wrap. Seems like every third person has their luggage well wrapped! Stores are probably all out of stock.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1873275]Took only 90 minutes today from AC to NAIA T3 this Sunday morning. No stop and go traffic at all. Left AC at 09:30.

Best to bring your own cellophane wrap. Seems like every third person has their luggage well wrapped! Stores are probably all out of stock.[/QUOTE]I think the bullet scam is done by now? Why wrap your suitecase now? I have to admit I was, duringi prime time of the bullet scam, travelling heavy in and out of Naia's(T1,2 and 3). Never ever did I exp any hazzle. It should be fun though see a guy/girl arriving with his own cellophane, wrapping up his / her sutiecase. To much hazzle in my book but again to each their own.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1871919]Prepare yourself for any departure from any NAIA terminal and remind yourself it is impartially ranked as one of the worst airports in the world and will remain so for the foreseeable future. That way you will build your tolerance before arriving at the airport. Be prepared to sit on the floor air-side in terminal 2 if there are many flights departing such as in the evening. Maybe take a sandwich with you as terminal 2 lacks any meaningful food. Toilets facilities are very limited. Terminal 3 has better food facilities, especially in check-in area upper floor. Terminal 3 of course requires you to join long lines outside the building to pass first stage security to get into the building. Air-side there a few small food outlets with very mediocre food, mainly Filipino food. Toilet facilities have improved air-side. Some international airlines such as Singapore Airlines allow you to check in your bags early, but then your bags will be in the loading area for a while and sticky hands may go into your bags. The check in area of terminal 3 is usually a heaving mass of humanity and getting a seat at times can be totally impossible with the masses usually sitting around on the floor. The car park next to terminal 3 is always totally full when I go there. In all cases, read the Philippine press and be aware of the scams inside all terminals, especially in the so called security check areas. You will note that Filipinos commonly duct tape of plastic wrap their carry on and check in bags. They do not do this for fun![/QUOTE]I promote this as wordings. Ex me travel from T3 mostly around midnight with initial EK flight. No lines and never ever I've been asked for booking records entering the first initial screening. Its laughable at best bcs I am slippy and allways forget to remove my belt and / or iphone (pocketed). Alarm goes off as I pass through but no one gives a shit.

Secondary sec screen I last time did forget I carried a 0,5 l of coke in my bag (was planning to drink it in the taxi I guess). They didn't care and I got my btl through. Could be heaven for a terrorist (don't want to promote them start hittingup Naia though).

[QUOTE=DonaldSucks;1873281]I think the bullet scam is done by now? Why wrap your suitecase now? I have to admit I was, duringi prime time of the bullet scam, travelling heavy in and out of Naia's(T1,2 and 3). Never ever did I exp any hazzle. It should be fun though see a guy/girl arriving with his own cellophane, wrapping up his / her sutiecase. To much hazzle in my book but again to each their own.[/QUOTE]I was just stating the irony of the cellophane wrapped luggage. I never wrap mine and always keep an eye on it. The only exposure to me is if there is a midget or small child in the X-ray machine placing bullets in the bags.

There were long lines outside for the initial X-ray scanner but thru the art of tipping I was thru it in one minute.

BTW the Skyview lounge is finished with whatever work was done and the AC is frigid!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1873294]I was just stating the irony of the cellophane wrapped luggage. I never wrap mine and always keep an eye on it. The only exposure to me is if there is a midget or small child in the X-ray machine placing bullets in the bags.

There were long lines outside for the initial X-ray scanner but thru the art of tipping I was thru it in one minute.

BTW the Skyview lounge is finished with whatever work was done and the AC is frigid![/QUOTE]Haha, that's cool man. Sorry for misinterp your late msg As you probably know by now english is not my native tounge but my good second alternative. Sometimes I can miss understatements in humoristic writings. I lay flat and say sorry.

Skyview lounge, last time I was there, no AC, they put up some fans though. My friend did travel through a few weeks ago, spend a few min in Skyview, and then it was like Artic inside there (why can they not find the golden middle way, hehe). He told me he had to go toilet to put pants on (jeans). I, myself, adjust my traveltime so close by now so I don't visit any lounges no more.

The last time I was in Skyview Lounge the AC did not work and they had a lot of fans blowing. That was early February. Now the AC is frigid cold. Because I got here so fast today from Angeles that I have been in the lounge for an hour. Someone must have complained that it was so cold that a lounge worker was walking around with a remote resetting the temperate. There must 4 or 5 AC units on each side.

Meanwhile they have a real cutie doing OJT. She has been like my personal server!

I am going to miss Philippines for a few months.

I would appreciate information of on SIM CARD in Philippines for making international calls.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1873307]The last time I was in Skyview Lounge the AC did not work and they had a lot of fans blowing. That was early February. Now the AC is frigid cold. Because I got here so fast today from Angeles that I have been in the lounge for an hour. Someone must have complained that it was so cold that a lounge worker was walking around with a remote resetting the temperate. There must 4 or 5 AC units on each side.

Meanwhile they have a real cutie doing OJT. She has been like my personal server!

I am going to miss Philippines for a few months.[/QUOTE]Haha I just left and am back home know (bkk). I visited maybe the Skyview lounge like you in January and then it was like a heater inside there. They had some fans put up but they only blew warm air around and didn't help at all.

[QUOTE=DonaldSucks;1873363]Haha I just left and am back home know (bkk). I visited maybe the Skyview lounge like you in January and then it was like a heater inside there. They had some fans put up but they only blew warm air around and didn't help at all.[/QUOTE]Like DS I use this a lot and it is either sweating or too much wind (IMHO can never be too cold as 18 C is perfect for me LOL).

When the fans are used I sit in front of one as otherwise I walk to the plane as a sweaty body (not nice to see).

And the staff are cute period IMHO but the food sucks (can't eat any of it) but I know where they hide the bottles of water and always get 5-6 bottles so am OK.

Apart from that T3 use mainly and like DS, is IMHO better than the others (well especially T1 and T4, the latter reminds me of the earlier Gulf state 'airports' but worse.

The walkways have never worked when I am there but as DS sad maybe as elections etc they have spent some cash on maintenance but am sure they will break down again.

What I dot understand is the yellow form I am giving them as while it is all about Ebola, no one ever checks it is purely cursory and even in Aussie now this has been stopped. But if there is an Ebola issue and they look at the form and someone has written DS on the firm then what to do?

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1864966]I try to post valuable information or make comments to contribute positively to help fellow members to travel in an ease. However, being a paid member of this board, I do get private mails and many of them are creepy.

For Example:

#1 I posted a FR regarding my Davao City experience. An a creep ask me to provide my dates phone # so he could f* her. (I blocked him).

#2 I posted an experience regarding Manila Bay Cafe and a creep writing to provide phone numbers of my contacts in Pacific Northwest Area (I blocked him).

#3 I posted information regarding a DIA contact, a creep asked me to provide her information (I blocked him).

Now examples are more than the ones I post.

What makes you think that I would furnish information you don't need to know?

Why don't you do your own leg work to have fun?[/QUOTE]Now for context. Said creep (me) has a 10 year history of helping others on this and other boards with various information and contacts. Fine if you do't want to share, but don't be an asshole about it and make assumptions. Frankly, some of your contacts would probably like others to have a bit more action. I have shared info on women in Peru, Costa Rica, Columbia, Thailand, the PI, KL, Tijuana, ect. So, again, fine not sharing, but don't make it out that you are somehow being asked information by those who contribute nothing, and that you are somehow the keeper of some wonderful, exclusive wisdom. Its pussy, and many of us share info about pussy. That is what ISG is about, prick.

I don't think you need to be calling names here. Regular posters often get unexpected requests for phone numbers and location, which bar, name, what is her phone number, blah, blah. I would recommend extreme caution. Is it really your buddy or Hillary clinton asking?

Nevertheless, I've had some wonderful recommendations over the years. Let me think, about 99% of recommendations either way have been with people I have met. Yes, actually met face to face. There was one guy who got a contact from me, but then refused to return the favor because "he never shares".

If you send a pm out of the blue, don't expect someone to research your history. And let's face it, 300 posts over ten years, covering 7+ countries, is what?

Try not to be so prickly Psychman.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1873532]Now for context. Said creep (me) has a 10 year history of helping others on this and other boards with various information and contacts. Fine if you do't want to share, but don't be an asshole about it and make assumptions. Frankly, some of your contacts would probably like others to have a bit more action. I have shared info on women in Peru, Costa Rica, Columbia, Thailand, the PI, KL, Tijuana, ect. So, again, fine not sharing, but don't make it out that you are somehow being asked information by those who contribute nothing, and that you are somehow the keeper of some wonderful, exclusive wisdom. Its pussy, and many of us share info about pussy. That is what ISG is about, prick.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunExplorer;1873312]I would appreciate information of on SIM CARD in Philippines for making international calls.[/QUOTE]You can buy a Sun or Globe prepaid Sim for less than $1 and then by IDD card for international calls 4-5 cents a min. to US. Sun has better rates and Thailand Japan MidEast cost more.

[QUOTE=XMan;1873818]I don't think you need to be calling names here. Regular posters often get unexpected requests for phone numbers and location, which bar, name, what is her phone number, blah, blah. I would recommend extreme caution. Is it really your buddy or Hillary clinton asking?

Nevertheless, I've had some wonderful recommendations over the years. Let me think, about 99% of recommendations either way have been with people I have met. Yes, actually met face to face. There was one guy who got a contact from me, but then refused to return the favor because "he never shares".

If you send a pm out of the blue, don't expect someone to research your history. And let's face it, 300 posts over ten years, covering 7+ countries, is what?

Try not to be so prickly Psychman.[/QUOTE]Fair enough about the name calling; I just through it was an especially silly post that smacked of "big man on campus" syndrome. Plus, there was need for him to do research; I provided plenty of context in my email to him. There was nothing random or creepy about it. A simple- I don't do that would have sufficed, not an email full of insults, and then, being called out in public. Regardless, I said my peace; thanks for saying yours.

I have been married for 3 years now. So do not visit here much anymore. Just want to say I met physchman face to face at the del rey in San Jose CR. We shared alot of tips and advice. He saw me here. We use the same name on all boards. And it was good to see him take advantage of this board. I freely told him anything I knew as he did with me a out 8 years ago and many times since. Just a FYI. And he is welcome in my home with my wife and kids as others here are. You all have fun now.

[QUOTE=FunExplorer;1873312]I would appreciate information of on SIM CARD in Philippines for making international calls. [/QUOTE]This one will cost you 1 peso a minute. It says the promo is expired but they don't get around to updating their website often. [URL]https://www.globe.com.ph/help/international/idd-299-and-idd-499[/URL].

[QUOTE=FunExplorer;1873312]I would appreciate information of on SIM CARD in Philippines for making international calls.[/QUOTE]If you have an iPhone or iPad then you can download the free app for Magic Jack and make free calls to any Canada and USA numbers over wifi. Your call will be seen as made from a Florida area code. You can also prepay Magic Jack for calls to other countries.

I am not sure if this app is available now on other android phones or not.

[QUOTE=Redman69;1874240]I have been married for 3 years now. So do not visit here much anymore. Just want to say I met physchman face to face at the del rey in San Jose CR. We shared alot of tips and advice. He saw me here. We use the same name on all boards. And it was good to see him take advantage of this board. I freely told him anything I knew as he did with me a out 8 years ago and many times since. Just a FYI. And he is welcome in my home with my wife and kids as others here are. You all have fun now.[/QUOTE]Red. So good to see you here; has it really been 8 years since we meet across from the DR in San Jose? The years fly. I am thrilled you are still married, and wish you happiness and health. Hope our paths do cross.

You weren't named, you were not called out in public. His public post was very generic and you should have replied directly to him. It's interesting that the "creepy" remark hit your soft spot. I think 90% of the guys here are really creepy, and we should embrace the adjective.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1873843]Fair enough about the name calling; I just through it was an especially silly post that smacked of "big man on campus" syndrome. Plus, there was need for him to do research; I provided plenty of context in my email to him. There was nothing random or creepy about it. A simple- I don't do that would have sufficed, not an email full of insults, and then, being called out in public. Regardless, I said my peace; thanks for saying yours.[/QUOTE]

Why is this not sent PM? Sounds like someone wanting to inflate his "big man" about town profile.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1874426]Red. So good to see you here; has it really been 8 years since we meet across from the DR in San Jose? The years fly. I am thrilled you are still married, and wish you happiness and health. Hope our paths do cross.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1874597]Why is this not sent PM? Sounds like someone wanting to inflate his "big man" about town profile.[/QUOTE]Perhaps follow your own advice? An old friend said Hi, I said Hi back.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1874931]Perhaps follow your own advice? An old friend said Hi, I said Hi back.[/QUOTE]I think XMan's point is that the old friend (Redman) erred by greeting you on the open board instead of sending a PM to you telling you about his life and times.

You compounded the problem by greeting him back on the open board instead of sending him a PM.

Heaven forbid the board becomes like Facebook with everyone sharing their personal and private business with everyone on the open public board.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1874977]I think XMan's point is that the old friend (Redman) erred by greeting you on the open board instead of sending a PM to you telling you about his life and times.

You compounded the problem by greeting him back on the open board instead of sending him a PM.

Heaven forbid the board becomes like Facebook with everyone sharing their personal and private business with everyone on the open public board.[/QUOTE]Actually I posted here so some who know me and have met me face to face would know what I know.

Now I do agree 90 to 97% of us are creepy. And most would not be welcome in my house. Yet there are a few perverts here who are not theifs, liars, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] and other bad things. Just mongers.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1874977]

Heaven forbid the board becomes like Facebook with everyone sharing their personal and private business with everyone on the open public board.[/QUOTE]I was thinking about making roast beef tonight. Does anyone have any great recipes for a really nice beef sauce. One with a bit of spice but not too spicy that will compliment the roast potatoes really well. Lets all share recipes??

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1875389]I was thinking about making roast beef tonight. Does anyone have any great recipes for a really nice beef sauce. One with a bit of spice but not too spicy that will compliment the roast potatoes really well. Lets all share recipes??[/QUOTE]That's a bit naughty FF.

You know that there are some guys here who take everything literally and will start flaming you for getting off-topic LOL.

Just so we get back on topic.

I am bemused by all the discussion here and on the AC thread about runners etc.

Bemused because if guys just stuck with ST then they wouldn't have the hassles.

I only ever want ST and for her then to just go and leave me to get a good night's sleep or play the same game as they do; go out and find another one.

I never have the hassles because I NEVER want LT anyway, anywhere, especially if it is a random be / g who I don't know.

If it's a dating site contact then it's a different scenario and I probably know more about her and if she wants to stay longer then why not?

The ST / LT switch model seems to be the new norm so if you want LT then you are going to have lots of uncertainty in your negotiations and a possible outcome that may well spoil your night.

It must be because I'm so much younger, better looking and more virile than most but I never have a problem with runners. Just spent a night in Angeles again, and again did overnight.

By the way, the new nightclub that's being built by the owner of the ABC will be targeted, to quote him, "toward older guys," by which he meant guys above 40. That is, it will not have lots of cacaphonous music, will have seating that actually encourages conversation, and high end booze. He figures it will be open during the first part of next year.

GE.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1875389]I was thinking about making roast beef tonight. Does anyone have any great recipes for a really nice beef sauce. One with a bit of spice but not too spicy that will compliment the roast potatoes really well. Lets all share recipes??[/QUOTE]I show you roast feeb bcs this is how I like it. I guess this is what you meant.

GoodEnough,

As for your first sentence. You forgot to mention that you are a fashionista! Your black / yellow / shocking pink shirts with gold cuff links really paint a picture of style and class.

As for ABZ, might I suggest the old Filipino cliche, "they tell you what you want to hear".

BTW, have you ever visited Mirrors bar at the Clarkton Hotel? It's way out on Perimeter, but they have something more laid back than the usual stuff. And I liked the balcony rooms over the pool. German run BTW.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1875485]It must be because I'm so much younger, better looking and more virile than most but I never have a problem with runners. Just spent a night in Angeles again, and again did overnight.

By the way, the new nightclub that's being built by the owner of the ABC will be targeted, to quote him, "toward older guys," by which he meant guys above 40. That is, it will not have lots of cacaphonous music, will have seating that actually encourages conversation, and high end booze. He figures it will be open during the first part of next year.

GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1875612]GoodEnough,

As for your first sentence. You forgot to mention that you are a fashionista! Your black / yellow / shocking pink shirts with gold cuff links really paint a picture of style and class.

As for ABZ, might I suggest the old Filipino cliche, "they tell you what you want to hear".

BTW, have you ever visited Mirrors bar at the Clarkton Hotel? It's way out on Perimeter, but they have something more laid back than the usual stuff. And I liked the balcony rooms over the pool. German run BTW.[/QUOTE]And let us not forget my platform shoes X, since you raised the issue of fashion. As to the telling me what I want to hear, I don't think it's true. The owner of ABC is an "older" guy who can't stomach the lousy service and noise of High Society, so he's decided to build something that reflects his predilections. I guess we will know for sure once it opens.

I've never tried any alternative to ABC though I thank you for the recommendation. I mainly go there to hang out with a Canadian buddy when he's in town. Just as an aside, my trip today from Angeles back to Makati took 2. 5 hours in the middle of the morning. The traffic once we hit Manila was paralyzing.

GE.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1875477]I am bemused by all the discussion here and on the AC thread about runners etc.

Bemused because if guys just stuck with ST then they wouldn't have the hassles.

I only ever want ST and for her then to just go and leave me to get a good night's sleep or play the same game as they do; go out and find another one.
[/QUOTE]Just to weigh in, I'm quite the opposite. When I get a bargirl, I want her well into the next morning. A bang in the evening, wake up to a slumbering beauty, a bang in the morning if I'm horny. Breakfast. A lazy morning and she's out the door.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1876063]Just to weigh in, I'm quite the opposite. When I get a bargirl, I want her well into the next morning. A bang in the evening, wake up to a slumbering beauty, a bang in the morning if I'm horny. Breakfast. A lazy morning and she's out the door.[/QUOTE]No argument from me.

Two equally valid opinions at opposite ends of a spectrum.

I was referring to the increasing incidence of stories about bar girls who do not wish to stay LT.

As I understand it WC1, you do not target bar girls and so you are much more likely to be with women sourced from various media who are looking for a comfy bed for the night.

If you want her to stay and she is happy to do so then that's OK if that's what you want.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1876063]Just to weigh in, I'm quite the opposite. When I get a bargirl, I want her well into the next morning. A bang in the evening, wake up to a slumbering beauty, a bang in the morning if I'm horny. Breakfast. A lazy morning and she's out the door.[/QUOTE]I agree, but with me, after a morning round, I would only offer breakfast if I see her as 1) a good performer and 2) an opportunity of getting more activity later.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1876297]I agree, but with me, after a morning round, I would only offer breakfast if I see her as 1) a good performer and 2) an opportunity of getting more activity later.[/QUOTE]I intend to have breakfast with her from the moment I decide to barfine her. In addition to sex and photographing her, its part of my joy.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1876390]I intend to have breakfast with her from the moment I decide to barfine her. In addition to sex and photographing her, its part of my joy.[/QUOTE]I always ask the girl I pick when she has eaten her last meal. Invariably these girls eat very little and eat poor quality food. So one draw for them to go out with a monger is the prospect of a decent meal. I always promise the girl a good meal. Nothing that costs the moon, but in the range of 500 to 700 peso for both me and the girl is what I budget for. But I am particular about finishing one round of hot steamy sex before a meal, because the food makes the girl sluggish. It also helps me build up an appetite and enjoy my meal better.

I always do a girl at least twice before letting her go, so the performance after the meal and a short snooze is very rewarding. In addition to food, I also tip girls well and get them chocolate sometimes. Word gets around, specially if you rely on FB to build your database.

I usually prefer to go out for food. Then there was that gal who asked for room service and we ate together completely naked. Room service isn't such a bad thing after all.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1876428]I always ask the girl I pick when she has eaten her last meal. Invariably these girls eat very little and eat poor quality food. So one draw for them to go out with a monger is the prospect of a decent meal. I always promise the girl a good meal. Nothing that costs the moon, but in the range of 500 to 700 peso for both me and the girl is what I budget for. But I am particular about finishing one round of hot steamy sex before a meal, because the food makes the girl sluggish. It also helps me build up an appetite and enjoy my meal better.

I always do a girl at least twice before letting her go, so the performance after the meal and a short snooze is very rewarding. In addition to food, I also tip girls well and get them chocolate sometimes. Word gets around, specially if you rely on FB to build your database.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1876428]I always ask the girl I pick when she has eaten her last meal. Invariably these girls eat very little and eat poor quality food. So one draw for them to go out with a monger is the prospect of a decent meal. I always promise the girl a good meal. Nothing that costs the moon, but in the range of 500 to 700 peso for both me and the girl is what I budget for. But I am particular about finishing one round of hot steamy sex before a meal, because the food makes the girl sluggish. It also helps me build up an appetite and enjoy my meal better.

I always do a girl at least twice before letting her go, so the performance after the meal and a short snooze is very rewarding. In addition to food, I also tip girls well and get them chocolate sometimes. Word gets around, specially if you rely on FB to build your database.[/QUOTE]In AC, I usually ask if they want a ChowKing or Jolli before heading to the room. In the morning I take them out for breakfast once I know I'm done sexing them.

I find the hotter chicks don't care about food. They don't want to waste 30-45 minutes to chow since they earn a lot of money and get nice tips. Beer lovers feel drinks and commission is greater than food.

Anyone ever bought a lady drink for a mute bar girl? How did it go?

A few days ago, while picking up my car from a car detailing shop, I got into a 30 minute discussion with a guy sitting atop a beautifully maintained 17 year old Honda motorcycle. He said he was a commercial pilot, and until quite recently had worked for Cebu Pacific flying the Airbus 320. He quit, he said, because the airline doesn't provide its pilots with rest periods that conform to international standards, and he felt this contributed to pilot fatigue and thus posed a danger to the flying public. He told me as well that he's interviewing this week with Asiana Airlines, which offers salaries three times higher than those of CP. On this topic, his final point, or actually advice was to spend the extra money and fly PAL, which does meet international standards As an analogy he compared pilots to surgeons and asked me how comfortable I would be if I knew my operation was in the hands of a tired surgeon.

Our conversation drifted into a general discussion of air traffic safety in the Philippines, which helped to confirm my prior biases. I asked if it were true that there are no airports in all of Mindanao equipped with flight radars, and he responded in the affirmative. Even Cebu, he said, has only an approach radar which is misused as the airport authorities also use it to control the flight paths of planes beyond the designed radar ranges. In addition, he said, the radars in Manila and Cebu are both old, and do not incorporate current technology. When I asked him how planes flying under no radar coverage cope, he said pilots do it "the old fashioned way," by calculating speed, altitude and direction. To be fair, he also indicated that the avionics technology in newer aircraft is so sophisticated that it doesn't have to rely on instructions derived from external radars. The problem he said, is that if the onboard technology fails, absent adequate external coverage, planes could be placed in great danger. When I asked him how the government could permit the perpetuation of such an inadequate system he responded that it refuses to upgrade to the standards of other countries because of the onboard sophistication of flight systems.

Finally, he confirmed to me the truth of what I had read in a recent IATA report; that the holding patterns forced upon pilots waiting to land in Manila were dangerous. He said that such patterns require an extremely high level of concentration on the part of the pilots.

I pass a summary of our conversation on because I felt that the guy knew what he was talking about and because it deepens my concerns about flying here, particularly with Cebu Pacific.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1880335]Finally, he confirmed to me the truth of what I had read in a recent IATA report; that the holding patterns forced upon pilots waiting to land in Manila were dangerous. He said that such patterns require an extremely high level of concentration on the part of the pilots.

I pass a summary of our conversation on because I felt that the guy knew what he was talking about and because it deepens my concerns about flying here, particularly with Cebu Pacific.
GE.[/QUOTE]In the last 3 years I have had approx. 100 landings (domestic and international) into Manila / Cebu / Davao. Of those 3 were aborted landings / fly arounds (one each in Manila / Cebu / Davao). In a 2000+ lifetime of flights I have never had an aborted landing other than the 3 in Philippines. In the Manila and Cebu aborted landings, the pilot came on the speaker and said there was a plane on the runway. The Davao aborted landing was a genuine case where there was a thunderstorm and visibility was so poor the pilot stuffed up the approach.

GE my understanding is that you are flying twice a week; are you experiencing these aborted landings or I am just statistically unlucky? Can't be a good sign significant instances of aborted landings because a plane is still on the runway!

As regards CP, I couldn't believe what the CEO said when they had the disaster at T3 a few years ago when 2/3 rds of the check in staff pulled a sicky (it was easter from memory). His comment to the press was that he had outsourced check in so it wasn't his problem. The performance of their website is also a bad sign. I am sick of seeing the yellow circles flashing on the screen for minutes.

I had an aborted take off last year. As we were accelerating to take off speed, the brakes were suddenly slammed on, with the explanation that another plane, heading in the opposite direction in the single runway, was landing. Then, about two years ago, also on CP, we were diverted to Clark because planes were stacked so deep over Manila that the pilot had insufficient fuel to wait for our turn. I insisted in getting off the plane in Clark and grabbed a ride to Manila the next morning. I was also on a flight during which the pilot announced, in a thoroughly disgusted voice, that our takeoff would be further delayed because "some VIP" insisted on landing his helicopter before any other flights were allowed to access the runway.

I actually thought that the CP disaster to which you referred happened in Davao as we had what sounds like an identical disaster here. In our case, both pilots left the plane well prior to the evacuation of passengers, and fled to the terminal. I think passengers, once they exited the plane had to wait 30-45 minutes before emergency crews showed up. I was not on that flight.

I've resolved to avoid flying CP to the fullest extent possible, and further resolved to avoid NAIA for international flights if I can. I'm going to Bangkok in July and have decided to take the Silk Air flight from Davao to Singapore, stay overnight and grab a Thai Air flight to Bangkok just to avoid Manila. It's worth it just for the peace of mind. I did experience a CP flight to Bangkok 6-8 months ago from Manila and it was a thoroughly unpleasant experience.

GE.

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1880348]In the last 3 years I have had approx. 100 landings (domestic and international) into Manila / Cebu / Davao. Of those 3 were aborted landings / fly arounds (one each in Manila / Cebu / Davao). In a 2000+ lifetime of flights I have never had an aborted landing other than the 3 in Philippines. In the Manila and Cebu aborted landings, the pilot came on the speaker and said there was a plane on the runway. The Davao aborted landing was a genuine case where there was a thunderstorm and visibility was so poor the pilot stuffed up the approach.

GE my understanding is that you are flying twice a week; are you experiencing these aborted landings or I am just statistically unlucky? Can't be a good sign significant instances of aborted landings because a plane is still on the runway!

As regards CP, I couldn't believe what the CEO said when they had the disaster at T3 a few years ago when 2/3 rds of the check in staff pulled a sicky (it was easter from memory). His comment to the press was that he had outsourced check in so it wasn't his problem. The performance of their website is also a bad sign. I am sick of seeing the yellow circles flashing on the screen for minutes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cool;1876876]I find the hotter chicks don't care about food. They don't want to waste 30-45 minutes to chow since they earn a lot of money and get nice tips. Beer lovers feel drinks and commission is greater than food.[/QUOTE]Counterpoint: I find that these girls do not eat 2-3 meals each day. Often only 1 meal a day. Break bread with them for US $ 3 and they will give you great service. Much better ROI than a lady drink can. I am a big GFE person and not just looking to nail the next hottie.

[QUOTE=TravelTop;1881942]I wish, the experienced and senior ones would be kind enough to help the new ones and juniors and therefore, this is where the sight could be of relevance.[/QUOTE]For the true newbie on a temporary stay, there are two approaches to the ladies that work every time. (Practical travel advice is omitted, because it's widely available online and not the focus of this site).

Approach 1:

- In Metro Manila stay in any hotel on or near Burgos St. Starting around 6 pm, just walk up and down Burgos and nearby Makati Ave. You are guaranteed to find satisfaction available either on the street or in any bar you enter on Burgos. (In Pampanga, stay on or near Fields in Angeles City. I've only been there a couple times, but it's as reliable as Burgos and generally costs less.) Exact prices are reported almost weekly on this forum.

Approach 2:

- About a week before visiting the Philippines (and any time you have time on your hands in country) send messages to any girls you like in the place you will visit with the basic facts on all the main sites: FilipinaCupid, Date in Asia, Tagged, Facebook, wherever. "I will be visiting the Philippines February 30 and hope to meet somebody for (fill in the blank according to your goals). May I text you when I arrive?" Send messages like that until you get about 3 x as many contacts as you could possibly meet. You can chat more if you enjoy chatting. Then schedule the ladies and make backup plans for the ones that don't work out.

It really is that easy. It can't be any simpler. There are all kinds of personal goals we can set to make it more challenging, but no foreign male with a little money or a little charm ever needs to go without in the Philippines. If you have any specific questions beyond these basics, please do ask. Also, please do contribute information from whatever part of the world you know best, and then field reports from your visit to the Philippines. As always, I ask the more experienced members to correct or clarify any poor advice I give.

Deutsche Bank has just issued an international survey on the costs of a cheap date defined as "cab rides, dinner / lunch for two at a pub or diner, soft drinks, two movie tickets and a couple of beers". A selection of results are: Manila US 4. 90, Mumbai US 4. 20, Kuala Lumpur US 4. 10 and Jakarta US 3. 90.

It's understandable that DB is looking for cheap dates, since they seem to be a bit tight for cash (offering 5% to Belgian depositors now).

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1882571]Deutsche Bank has just issued an international survey on the costs of a cheap date defined as "cab rides, dinner / lunch for two at a pub or diner, soft drinks, two movie tickets and a couple of beers". A selection of results are: Manila US 4. 90, Mumbai US 4. 20, Kuala Lumpur US 4. 10 and Jakarta US 3. 90.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1882571]Deutsche Bank has just issued an international survey on the costs of a cheap date defined as "cab rides, dinner / lunch for two at a pub or diner, soft drinks, two movie tickets and a couple of beers". A selection of results are: Manila US 4. 90, Mumbai US 4. 20, Kuala Lumpur US 4. 10 and Jakarta US 3. 90.[/QUOTE]Really? $4. 90 is roughly 230 peso. A cab ride, dinner for two, soft drinks, movie tickets for two, and a couple of beers. All in 230 peso. Seems a bit out of whack. No wonder the bank is struggling to stay afloat.

[QUOTE=MSClive;1880626]Counterpoint: I find that these girls do not eat 2-3 meals each day. Often only 1 meal a day. Break bread with them for US $ 3 and they will give you great service. Much better ROI than a lady drink can. I am a big GFE person and not just looking to nail the next hottie.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% here. I remember a hot chick I had picked from a bar on Fields in my last trip (reported on the appropriate thread) who wanted only ST. I simply had to shag this stunning girl so I said yes. As we walked back I asked her if she was hungry and she said no. So we got to the room and fucked like bunnies. After the deed I asked again if she would like to order some room service. This time she said yes and called for a beef nilaga with rice and I watched in amazement as she polished it off. After that she changed her mind and stayed all night. Should I mention that we had a great time? Maybe it wasn't the food and just my bedroom skills.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1882653]Really? $4. 90 is roughly 230 peso. A cab ride, dinner for two, soft drinks, movie tickets for two, and a couple of beers. All in 230 peso. Seems a bit out of whack. No wonder the bank is struggling to stay afloat.[/QUOTE]I looked at the article on the Telegraph's site. The graph says Manila is $11.60, about p540. A McDo cheeseburger value meal is about p100 per person. One taxi ride is p70 - p100. You can see a film at a good cinema for p200 per person. Drinks after at a cheap Filipino bar for about p40 per bottle, but no pulutan. That's p750 - 780. I guess the researcher found a cheap cinema. The lowest price I ever paid for a ticket was p70 IIRC, which was a surprise. BTW, the same DB survey the year prior priced Manila at $26, [URL]http://www.ibtimes.com/cheap-date-index-2014-deutsche-bank-shows-where-you-can-save-most-dates-globally-1583033.[/URL] I reckon the researchers then were much more extravagant.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1882571]Deutsche Bank has just issued an international survey on the costs of a cheap date defined as "cab rides, dinner / lunch for two at a pub or diner, soft drinks, two movie tickets and a couple of beers". A selection of results are: Manila US 4. 90, Mumbai US 4. 20, Kuala Lumpur US 4. 10 and Jakarta US 3. 90.[/QUOTE]Well it's good to see that a date includes the taxi ride home.

Shouldn't a date in Manila also include the barfine?

Finally, here's proof that women do not appreciate being subjected to catcalls, wolf whistles and other gestures meant to extol their looks from men on the streets, and in fact find them threatening and demeaning.

Such acts long considered by most men as public expressions of interest and admiration for women are now considered crimes with corresponding fines and a possible jail term for offenders in Quezon City.

Quezon City Mayor Herbert Bautista has signed into law the city's amended gender and development code, also known as the anti-catcalling ordinance, which imposes a fine and jail term for acts considered as sexual harassment of women in public spaces.

The law made Quezon City the first local government in the country to penalize the street-level harassment of women.

"The primary objective is to change the cultural mindset of males toward females. Women are not sex objects. This is to empower women at the same time," Bautista said of the law that would "supplement other national laws that protect the interest of women. "

Among those laws is the Anti-Sexual Harassment Act of 1995 that criminalizes unwanted sexual attention and conditional sexual favors from persons of authority in the workplace, training venues and educational institutions.

The anti-catcalling ordinance introduced by QC Councilor Lena Marie Juico was approved by the City Council on March 7 and signed into law by Bautista on May 16.

Under the measure, light violations, such as cursing, catcalling, repeatedly asking the subject for a date or her contact number, or taunting a woman with constant talk about sex, are punishable with a fine of from P1,000 to P5,000 or a jail term of up to one month.

Stalking, making offensive mouth, hand or body gestures with the intention to demean or threaten a woman are considered medium violations with the same range of penalties.

Severe violations carry a fine of P3,000 to P5,000 or a jail term of from one month to one year.

These include unnecessary touching, pinching or brushing against the subject's body; public masturbation or lascivious exhibition directed at a woman, and inserting any object into the genitalia, anus or mouth of any person whether of the same or opposite sex.

Bautista said the penalties were the maximum allowed under the Local Government Code.

Women offended by the cited violations may file a complaint in the women's desk that are now part of police precincts. The amendments to Quezon City's gender and development code were introduced after a memorandum of understanding with the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women (UN Women), which chose Quezon City as one of the pilot areas for its Safe Cities and Safe Public Spaces Initiative.

Hi all,

A guy tell me it's possible to found girls for 50 pesos at AC, in the street, but they are drug addict, grannies, is it real?

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1889523]Hi all,

A guy tell me it's possible to found girls for 50 pesos at AC, in the street, but they are drug addict, grannies, is it real?[/QUOTE]Dear manager,

Please pay the $20 = PM facility, for the exclusive info you are seeking.

But I do remember in 1974 paying $25 (P200 for my currency) for all night street pussy. Adjust for inflation over the last 42 yrs.

P50 should get you a kick in the balls, LOL.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1889523]Hi all,

A guy tell me it's possible to found girls for 50 pesos at AC, in the street, but they are drug addict, grannies, is it real?[/QUOTE]That would be the drug-addicted [I]toothless[/I] grannies. The ones with teeth are even cheaper. Ah, the joys of smoking shabu whilst a toothless octogenarian gums my knob. Pure class.

I remember that girl. Fairly young, but missing some teeth. She'd take you down an alley and get on her knees. She'd ask you to watch out for police. Lots of noisy slurping. Apparently it's easy to lose a wallet when you spend a bit of time with your trousers hanging around your ankles. And if your trousers are around your ankles, it's especially hard to chase a gal who spits out your junk and starts running. Duh.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1889523]Hi all,

A guy tell me it's possible to found girls for 50 pesos at AC, in the street, but they are drug addict, grannies, is it real?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1889523]Hi all,

A guy tell me it's possible to found girls for 50 pesos at AC, in the street, but they are drug addict, grannies, is it real?[/QUOTE]There is the older gal that stands in front of the 7-11 every night. She usually comes out around 8:00 pm. If your are handsome she might give you some change back for your 50 pesos.

Recent exchange rate on the USD: $1 = p46.55. I also got p46.5 recently at a Burgos street changer.

I thought I would write about it now.

I was sitting on the outside tables of Banana Leaf restaurant in Ayala Mall, Cebu. It was around 5 pm and they had not open yet. A nice slim busty girl approached me and sat down next to me. We conversed for a few minutes and made an arrangement for 1. 5 k. She agreed to a one hour massage before and another massage after the act. BBBJ and BBFS included if I like that. It was like making a bundled deal as I kept throwing in extras. She just seemed too agreeable.

She didn't like sitting out in the open and wanted to go inside because this "store clerk" didn't want to get recognized by any coworkers. She was hungry so we went to Jollibee and she wanted takeout and to eat in the room. No problem my hotel was nearby. I told her she would need to show her ID and she said she had it. I asked to see it and it was kind of blurred and laminated. It looked a little suspicious but who knows how things are done the Philippines. Funny things was she didn't want to get recognized but held my hand all the way to Jollibee.

We walked to the hotel and she left her ID with the security. During the walk to the hotel she made a few texts and a phone call. I guess to tell someone where she was going. We ate dinner. Here is where it gets interesting. I ask her to take a shower and she said later after the massage. I ask her to take her clothes off and she is only down to her bra and panty. I am a little suspicious now as how is this going to work? Is she going to ruin the moment by taking a shower after giving me a sensual massage?

I ask her again to take off her bra and panty and she said no and why? I then said I wanted give an inspection of her pussy to make sure it was ok, no warts or discharges. She got or acted offended and said that no one has ever asked her that and we have condoms. There was silence for about 20 seconds and finally I said get dressed and I will give you 500 for your time. I thought this is where the shit would hit the fan but she got dressed in silence. I walked her down to release her ID.

Now she seemed like a nice 21 yo store clerk and very well could have been. But I am in no great physical shape nor FL experienced like Mr. E. This girl just raised too many small red flags for me. Also it helped that I had already had 2 pops earlier and my penis wasn't doing all the thinking.

It could have all gone well but I error on the caution side. I find procuring FL is a little stressful and of no assurances. Of course this could have happened anywhere.

There is one thing I do like about the bars in AC and in Subic the girls are identified by the bar and have some what of a health check. You can do an interview by buying a LD and get all the questions out of the way. Nothing beats this delivery system.

Let's be a little careful out there, especially if you are inexperienced with FL.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1897926]
It could have all gone well but I error on the caution side. I find procuring FL is a little stressful and of no assurances. Of course this could have happened anywhere.
. . . . .

Let's be a little careful out there, especially if you are inexperienced with FL.[/QUOTE]Before everyone else jumps in with advice for you Dg, let me say "good for you".

Your radar picked up on a potential problem so you nipped it off before it could get out of hand.

At least she went quietly when you asked her to get dressed, which probably means she was OK. That's the point at which (as you said) the sh. Usually hits the fan.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1897944]Before everyone else jumps in with advice for you Dg, let me say "good for you".

Your radar picked up on a potential problem so you nipped it off before it could get out of hand.

At least she went quietly when you asked her to get dressed, which probably means she was OK. That's the point at which (as you said) the sh. Usually hits the fan.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more. IMO the ability to gracefully pull the plug on an encounter the minute any red flags come up, is probably the single most important safety and quality-assurance tactic a monger can have. Includes hearing the word "no" to any reasonable request, or previously agreed to activity. The situation NEVER gets better from there.

Actually that probably goes for women in general, not just working girls.

Anyway, good report DG.

To paraphrase Kenny Loggins.

Every monger knows.

The secret to survival.

Is knowing what to throw away.

Knowing what to keep.

I thought that was Kenny Rogers.

[QUOTE=RollAides;1897956]Couldn't agree more. IMO the ability to gracefully pull the plug on an encounter the minute any red flags come up, is probably the single most important safety and quality-assurance tactic a monger can have. Includes hearing the word "no" to any reasonable request, or previously agreed to activity. The situation NEVER gets better from there.

Actually that probably goes for women in general, not just working girls.

Anyway, good report DG.

To paraphrase Kenny Loggins.

Every monger knows.

The secret to survival.

Is knowing what to throw away.

Knowing what to keep.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1897966]I thought that was Kenny Rogers.[/QUOTE]Yep! Kenny Rogers. The Gambler.

You've got to know when to hold 'them.

Know when to fold 'them.

Know when to walk away.

And know when to run.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1897926]I thought I would write about it now.

I was sitting on the outside tables of Banana Leaf restaurant in Ayala Mall, Cebu.
It could have all gone well but I error on the caution side. I find procuring FL is a little stressful and of no assurances. Of course this could have happened anywhere.

There is one thing I do like about the bars in AC and in Subic the girls are identified by the bar and have some what of a health check. You can do an interview by buying a LD and get all the questions out of the way. Nothing beats this delivery system.

Let's be a little careful out there, especially if you are inexperienced with FL.[/QUOTE]I concur with Red Kilt with the way you handled it.

But, are you sure it was ot a LB as there a few busty LBs who walk the circuit in Ayala IE past Banana Leaf up the escalator past Bos Coffee down the escalator and past Seattle. I see them a lot and they hang o the balcony outside Bos sometimes. Plus they regularly go to Bos and at times make a lot of noise (as in "look at me I am a LB with fake boobs") and a few times feel each others boobs and get them out.

So am not sating this is a LB DG as we know each other well and our tastes but at times we can be fooled by the better looking ones. One of this group regularly posts on Facebook and has many male admirers ho have no idea she is a a he with plastic surgery etc. Her friends (straight and real girls before anyone thinks otherwise) who I know confirm she fools a lot of westerners who can believe such a 'hot girl' would do anal with them only.

However that said for me, what you did about remover the panties was correct, you want to check and when there is a refusal I am on automatic red alert.

So well done my friend and well handled.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1897926]I thought I would write about it now.

I ask her again to take off her bra and panty and she said no and why?

Let's be a little careful out there, especially if you are inexperienced with FL.[/QUOTE]I wasn't there. I didn't meet this girl. I did not feel the same vibes that you did. Yet there was an earlier time when I would have sent a girl away that now I understand would have required more patience. One night you meet a girl who gives you porn star experience (PSE) and the next night you meet one whom you have to give lessons on BJ technique. The lesson that I learned was that all of these girls are different and I have to respond to each one differently. I mean the hallmark of the Philipina is that she is personable and gives you girlfriend experience (GFE). The trade-off is that they have more personality than the mechanical working girls you encounter in the fishbowls in Seoul and you need to individually tailor your response to them.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1897926]I ask her again to take off her bra and panty and she said no and why? I then said I wanted give an inspection of her pussy to make sure it was ok, no warts or discharges. She got or acted offended and said that no one has ever asked her that and we have condoms..[/QUOTE]Your response here was a bit clinical and could be taken offensively by a semi pro or ordinary lady. So it sounds like she was a semi pro trying to work 2 jobs in the same area and very paranoid about doing it.

My new mo when dealing w / these massage FLs is I get there sales pitch, massage sir, and immediately turn the conversation to sex. My sales pitch; a massage just makes me horny so lets just skip the massage part, how much for sex?

(We all know they ladies are lousy masseuses so why bother, their massage route is a ploy to earn money as a hooker. I let them pretend for a minute or two and then say, how much for that pretty little pussy of yours?

So if I were in your shoes I would have her bra and panties off when I want them off and in a pure sexual way. If she played games like in your case I would have done the same thing, nip it in the bud but not because I could not do an examination of her private parts.

It would be nipped because she wasn't performing as promised. If we agreed to have sex then I'll take off the bra and panties as I progress through the session. I like working a nice body w under garments attached slowly unwrapping my toy.

I think you did the right thing but maybe not in the best way and if she was a LB you would have had big problems stopping a session as you did, or any way. They don't go quietly!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1897926]Now she seemed like a nice 21 yo store clerk and very well could have been. [/QUOTE]Yeah, my advice is if you want a massage go and get a professional one. The massage hookers in The freelance realm are a waste of time, providing horrible massages. I think your situation would have had a completely different outcome, just hire them to fuck.

Thanks for putting your broken session on the board. I have had many broken sessions, hell I tell them to leave if they're boring. LOL, I'm an easy barfine for them.

All the best.

I'm with WR. It could have been an LB. Even if the chick is shy she is still going to take off her bra. Dg you did the right thing though. The only thing I would have done differently is that I would not have given her 500 pesos. That is a lot of money. I have fucked chicks for that amount. And you had already paid for food so I would have just said get out. But I think the 500 is probably why you did not have any problems; because she realized it was a lot of money for doing nothing.

You were right to want to inspect. I had a Russian midget come over to my place in Pattaya last month. She got undressed and I started trying to finger her from the back and felt a lot of bumps between her ass and pussy. When I asked her what it was she started saying what, what. Then I said let me see and she got up and started getting dressed. I was not letting her off so easy though so I told her to take her shirt and bra back off and I came down her throat before sending her away. That was a close call.

Thanks for the replies.

I am pretty sure she was not a LB. She carried on many conversations in a lady voice. When she held my hand her hand was pretty small with very slender fingers. Her feet were small too. She was less than 5 feet tall and always looked up when she talked without worrying about any Adam's apple. But then again who really knows without checking the goods?

She was either offended by my request or she really had something to hide, whether it was std or?

All terms of our agreement was done at the table within 5 minutes. The deal included full service.

In all of my Phil experiences I have never had a girl refuse to shower and they always requested I shower too. Usually they shower first. This was a red flag to me.

Mr. E, like I said I do not have your physical stature nor do I have your FL street smart experience. When she got to my room she made one more text, I assumed she texted my room number either for her protection or for something sinister. I opt out for 500 pesos plus the cost of Jollibee see-1 menu item of 82 pesos. As some may know the resolution fee would have been much higher if there was a disturbance or even worst false accusations made.

Btw, I held the 500 peso in my hand openly and didn't give it to her until we were out of the room and I closed the door. Also she still had her ID with security and the security guy acknowledged me on the way in along with other staff. I always prime the staff with drinks or small tips.

My major concern is to not get any std and to not pass it on unknowingly to some of the regular girls that I see. In Cebu I have a rotation of 5 girls plus a new one this time of a 19 yo. One of the regulars asked if she could bring a new friend with her. I graciously approved.

Like I said I already had 2 pops hours before and was able to think with the big head.

Take care guys.

Some more inbound-Rody stuff:

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On my last trip to Ayala Cebu one afternoon about 7 pm I walked past to see some stunning girls sitting there. Needless to say I couldn't ogle them as they were too keen to make eye contact. I purchased a beverage and sat down strategically. My hunch was correct that they were LB. Just too well dressed for an Ayala pickup.

Can't believe it!

I am on 6:00 pm flight out of Cebu and we are fully boarded at 5:30 pm. Plane is full and we started boarding at 5:20 and everyone is in their seats. Plane doors are closed.

Holy Shmolly! That's fantastic.

Somehow I feel you will later tell us that neither the inbound nor the outbound airport is / was Manila.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1898335]Can't believe it!

I am on 6:00 pm flight out of Cebu and we are fully boarded at 5:30 pm. Plane is full and we started boarding at 5:20 and everyone is in their seats. Plane doors are closed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1898306]On my last trip to Ayala Cebu one afternoon about 7 pm I walked past to see some stunning girls sitting there. Needless to say I couldn't ogle them as they were too keen to make eye contact. I purchased a beverage and sat down strategically. My hunch was correct that they were LB. Just too well dressed for an Ayala pickup.[/QUOTE]BD,

That group is well known. They are the ones I referred to in an earlier FR re boobs out, lots of noise, one is a well known even has a youtube saying "I am xxxxx but I was born with a different name and gender" etc.

They go into Watsons next door for free hair curl and some make up before hitting the clubs and finding some unsuspecting guy to offer a BBBJ and Greek to LOL.

Once I saw one of them meet an older western man by the entrance to mall at Bos and looked genuinely happy likely thinking "wow I scored a stunner" I said to my friend she will be back in less than 10 minutes and 6 minutes later she reappeared when the man must have realized that she was really a he.

So be careful put there.

[QUOTE=XMan;1898356]Holy Shmolly! That's fantastic.

Somehow I feel you will later tell us that neither the inbound nor the outbound airport is / was Manila.[/QUOTE]True, Manila was not involved to my knowledge. But still Cebu Pacific!

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1898364]Once I saw one of them meet an older western man by the entrance to mall at Bos and looked genuinely happy likely thinking "wow I scored a stunner" I said to my friend she will be back in less than 10 minutes and 6 minutes later she reappeared when the man must have realized that she was really a he.

So be careful put there.[/QUOTE]Haha WR, I know just the one's you're talking about. Lookers, aren't they? 4-5 of them that hang as a group.

Waiting on my flight to PI and scrolling through some dating profiles. What is up with the crazy ugly ass moles that some of the Pinays have on their faces? One chick has one right below her nose at the edge of her top lip. Another has one on her forehead. I don't see anything like this in other countries. Or am I just not noticing it in other places?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1898440]Waiting on my flight to PI and scrolling through some dating profiles. What is up with the crazy ugly ass moles that some of the Pinays have on their faces? One chick has one right below her nose at the edge of her top lip. Another has one on her forehead. I don't see anything like this in other countries. Or am I just not noticing it in other places?[/QUOTE]I went out with this Russian chick a couple of times, and she had a mole on one of her eyelids. So every time she would blink, I would see that mole! You never realize how often human beings naturally blink until you're looking at one with a mole on an eyelid LOL! I didn't go out with her for a third time for a variety of reasons. The distracting mole on her eyelid was one of them hahahaha!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1898440]Waiting on my flight to PI and scrolling through some dating profiles. What is up with the crazy ugly ass moles that some of the Pinays have on their faces? One chick has one right below her nose at the edge of her top lip. Another has one on her forehead. I don't see anything like this in other countries. Or am I just not noticing it in other places?[/QUOTE]I've noticed it a lot in Mexico. You see a lot of moles above the neck, whereas I don't see them north of the border. Also seen in phils (even more), and somewhat in Indonesia. I would guess it has something to do with the tropical weather and lifestyle.

Also see the past discussions (long time ago) we have discussed pinays oddly-shapen feet / toes / hands / fingers, that seem to have too much mileage on them (I find that similar to Latinas).

I once was seeing this Filipina who had 3 moles on her face which did not look nice at all. Seeing mole removal is relatively inexpensive in Phil I offered to pay for them to be removed. She looked at my like I was crazy! She explained that to Filipinos moles were signs of good luck and success. She declined my offer with a look that could kill.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1898440]Waiting on my flight to PI and scrolling through some dating profiles. What is up with the crazy ugly ass moles that some of the Pinays have on their faces? One chick has one right below her nose at the edge of her top lip. Another has one on her forehead. I don't see anything like this in other countries. Or am I just not noticing it in other places?[/QUOTE]Kiss that mole like it's a third nipple. She'll love you for it.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1898335]Can't believe it!

I am on 6:00 pm flight out of Cebu and we are fully boarded at 5:30 pm. Plane is full and we started boarding at 5:20 and everyone is in their seats. Plane doors are closed.[/QUOTE]Enjoy that early flight. My last Cebu to MNL flight was three hours late before they would even board us.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1899156]Enjoy that early flight. My last Cebu to MNL flight was three hours late before they would even board us.[/QUOTE]Always try and get the very early morning flights to Manila from Cebu. Less chance Manila airport will ground the plane due to congestion at the worlds worst airport. By 10 am the traffic in Manila is getting bad and this delays many flights. Couple with the antiquated systems and 1 runway effectively, by mid afternoon flights can be a few hours delayed.

Talking to one of my Cebu Pacific cuties (ground crew) she said Cebu Pac's management is not great either in being firm with telling the passengers it is not its fault. When she does say this is all the cause of Manila many don't believe her! She has faced a number of irate people due to delays etc which are nothing to with the airline but all to do with Manila airport. So I take the earlier flights as less chance I will be messed up (and I find the taxi situation (aka farce) at T3 to be better in the morning).

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1899156]Enjoy that early flight. My last Cebu to MNL flight was three hours late before they would even board us.[/QUOTE]And in the completely opposite vein. Recently my CP flight (T3) was scheduled for 12:15 pm. To be safe, I left the hotel at 9:15 am (Makati), arriving 9:50 am at T3.

An aside: Outside T3, the CP entrance had a HUGE line, while the PAL entrance had a tiny line; I waltzed right thru the PAL entrance security checkpoint. Can all the rest of those people with CP itineraries be dumb enough to join that long, long line just because they are CP customers? Yes, yes they can. I showed the security guy at the door my passport and CP itinerary and asked if it was OK for CP customers to come thru at this checkpoint: "Yes sir".

My queue for my outbound province flight was empty (amazing), and I checked in and got a boarding pass right away. I bounced around upstairs in the foods area for a bit before heading thru the security checkpoint to the gate. On my boarding pass it showed gate 132, boarding 11:30. I showed at my gate at 11:10 to find it empty of customers. I checked the monitor, which showed my gate now as 133. At 133, the sign had a different province. I asked the CP girl at the counter where my flight was, and she said it was changed from 132 to 133, then back to 132 (still empty). I pointed out to the CP agent at 133 that 132 was empty, and the monitor still showed my flight at 133, to board in 10 minutes. She seemed confused. "It cannot be". The monitor was down the hall, and she sent another CP agent to check the monitor, which was still showing 133. Keystrokes on their computer. Suddenly over the PA system: "Westy's flight will board in a moment at gate 134". Both the CP lady and myself looked over to 134, where the sign showed yet *another* province (not mine). The crowd for my flight had been waiting at 134 and began lining up.

None of that makes any logical sense. The only good news is that the flight was ON TIME, and boarding started a few minutes early. Suddenly the CP lady said: "Yes. 134 now. Boarding now, departing 12:05 pm". Wait, when I checked in, the flight time was 12:15. Now 12:05? "Yes sir". You moved a flight time (and boarding) UP? "Yes sir they did". That just never happens, and you run the risk of late-arriving passengers, who would have previously made the 12:15 flight, missing their flight if you move the time up to 12:05. "Oh. Yes. I see it". Amazing. By 11:20 they were boarding my flight, at a gate that you could only be at if you listened to the (nearly indecipherable) PA system. While the flight was on time (well, we boarded on time and pushed back, only to sit idling for 20+ minutes for ground traffic -- the pilot reported too many aircraft waiting for takeoff), the large monitor and the gate computers were not in sync, the gate agent could not correctly pinpoint a gate, and *none* of the gates showed my province as the destination.

Welcome to it!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1899244]Wait, when I checked in, the flight time was 12:15. Now 12:05? "Yes sir". You moved a flight time (and boarding) UP? "Yes sir they did". That just never happens, and you run the risk of late-arriving passengers, who would have previously made the 12:15 flight, missing their flight if you move the time up to 12:05. [/QUOTE]That happened to me for the first time ever last year. And on a Delta flight from MNL to NRT. When I checked in the flight was to leave at 10:30 am IIRC; later, after security, I checked the monitors again and it said 10:15 am. Checked my paperwork: 10:30 am. Checked the monitors: 10:15 am. And it really did leave the gate by 10:20. Bizarre!

I've been on a plane that *departed* 15 minutes early. But everybody was aboard the half empty flight expeditiously and crew and ATC were happy for us to push back and go.

[QUOTE=Simmer;1903746]That happened to me for the first time ever last year. And on a Delta flight from MNL to NRT.[/QUOTE]Sometimes Delta will move up the departure if bad weather is expected in Japan. Happened to me last year as well. They notified me via email that the flight would leave a hour early. Always check your email and / or provide the airlines with your local number!

[QUOTE=BukoMax;1903769]Sometimes Delta will move up the departure if bad weather is expected in Japan. Happened to me last year as well. They notified me via email that the flight would leave a hour early. Always check your email and / or provide the airlines with your local number![/QUOTE]That makes sense, re weather. In this case though the time was moved up between check-in and departure, ie less than a couple of hours before the flight when I was already at the airport. I guess dealing with a couple of late passengers is easier / cheaper than what might happen if the plane left on time and suffered domino effect take-off, en-route, or landing delays. It's all very well turning up at the airport 3 hours before the flight with good intentions, only to be scuppered by abnormally long check-in or security delays! And with Delta, at least, you can't do online check-in for US destinations if you have a green card. Or couldn't 18 months ago anyway.

So I been on this form for almost 10 years now. I was told about it my first trip to the Manila to see my ex wife. I didn't get to have much fun there then. Well fast forward to now. My friend just got dumped before his wedding and is crushed. So I figured a sex trip would work best for him. Now I do all my trips in Colombia and Dominican Republic. I just got back from 11 days in the DR.

I just booked a beach house from Dec 28 till January 4th over in Cebu. I am wondering if anybody can help me find six working girls that we can take with us there. I been reading all the reports about Cebu today, and it sounds like it is a bit hard to barfine women there now. So I am looking for six girls. Will pay for all their expenses to Cebu, and pay them 2000 pesos a day.

If anybody can help me get this setup ahead of time would be great.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1904667]I just booked a beach house from Dec 28 till January 4th over in Cebu. I am wondering if anybody can help me find six working girls that we can take with us there. I been reading all the reports about Cebu today, and it sounds like it is a bit hard to barfine women there now. So I am looking for six girls. Will pay for all their expenses to Cebu, and pay them 2000 pesos a day.[/QUOTE]You must realize how big Cebu is. In which part of Cebu are you renting this beach house? Not that I have any leads on women for you, but you must take this into account when trying to get someone to visit you there. I do predict though that this will be like herding cats. It is hard enough to get 1 to follow the plan exactly. Good luck with 6. And besides this, the days you have booked for is family time for Filipinos. Okay. One more thing. Planning to keep a hooker (or 6) that you have not met nor spent time with for a whole week, well...

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1904667]So I been on this form for almost 10 years now. I was told about it my first trip to the Manila to see my ex wife. I didn't get to have much fun there then. Well fast forward to now. My friend just got dumped before his wedding and is crushed. So I figured a sex trip would work best for him. Now I do all my trips in Colombia and Dominican Republic. I just got back from 11 days in the DR.

I just booked a beach house from Dec 28 till January 4th over in Cebu. I am wondering if anybody can help me find six working girls that we can take with us there. I been reading all the reports about Cebu today, and it sounds like it is a bit hard to barfine women there now. So I am looking for six girls. Will pay for all their expenses to Cebu, and pay them 2000 pesos a day.

If anybody can help me get this setup ahead of time would be great.

Thanks[/QUOTE]From my humble experience it is very very easy to get Angeles City / Manila bar girls to travel with you down south.

I have done so myself with both girls from Makati as well as girls from Angeles, I would even add that once we brought two non-working girls we just picked up at a night club, Filipinos are very much into the "Adventure", especially if a Caucasian man is involved.

On the other hand, I can't see how any of them would do so without knowing the guy taking them ahead of time. By know I mean at least chatting with him for a few hours online or spending an evening together, I am not familiar with the Cebu scene, however if you intend on bringing girls from elsewhere, I would suggest you visit that destination even for just a night or two, so that you can pick the girls up. Angeles city would be easiest to retrieve a bunch from my experience, as they are all little mama sangs there.

Good luck,

D

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1904678]You must realize how big Cebu is. In which part of Cebu are you renting this beach house? Not that I have any leads on women for you, but you must take this into account when trying to get someone to visit you there. I do predict though that this will be like herding cats. It is hard enough to get 1 to follow the plan exactly. Good luck with 6. And besides this, the days you have booked for is family time for Filipinos. Okay. One more thing. Planning to keep a hooker (or 6) that you have not met nor spent time with for a whole week, well...[/QUOTE]Agree with Mr Enternational on herding the girls like cattle. First, they live further away from where they say. Next, they usually have no money to catch a cab or other transportation. Highly unlikely they will be on time if they decide to come as traffic is horrible and Cebu like rest of Philippines has bad infrastructure. I planned with 6 girls and was lucky to get 2 to meet me while in Cebu City. It is not hard to meet girls in Cebu City for 2000 pesos. Many available. Again, where is your beach house?

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1904667]So I been on this form for almost 10 years now. I was told about it my first trip to the Manila to see my ex wife. I didn't get to have much fun there then. Well fast forward to now. My friend just got dumped before his wedding and is crushed. So I figured a sex trip would work best for him. Now I do all my trips in Colombia and Dominican Republic. I just got back from 11 days in the DR.

I just booked a beach house from Dec 28 till January 4th over in Cebu. I am wondering if anybody can help me find six working girls that we can take with us there. I been reading all the reports about Cebu today, and it sounds like it is a bit hard to barfine women there now. So I am looking for six girls. Will pay for all their expenses to Cebu, and pay them 2000 pesos a day.

If anybody can help me get this setup ahead of time would be great.

Thanks[/QUOTE]1. Its the holiday season.

2. Families come first despite any cash incentive.

3. If the girls don't know each other could e issues / drama / jealousy / shy.

4. If the girls do each other same issues as if don't know each other.

5. Plan ahead have at least double the girls saying yes as many will bail or as Mr E says they live Toledo, Bogo, Danao, Duma, Dalaguete, etc that takes time and money to get to Cebu (even if Mactan at the moment it is bad at times!

6. What about the pasalubongs as it is mas after all.

7. Where is the beach house. Mactan? As plan for the location, Going to Mactan on say Friday afternoon took me 90 minutes from Ayala! If Danao etc then plan for girls from that area.

8. Six girls presumably naked etc may raise eyebrow from locals especially if in the 'provinces'.

I went a friend's birthday party in AC ad his wife arranged 6 girls. She is pinay and wet to the bars got very easily and brought them to their hotel. Easy but that was AC, she was pinay and very bisexual and knew who she wanted as well. Cebu? Am sure you can but maybe you need to think about how you find.

I know a few members who have managed 4 at the same time, one old friend did this for 3 das but based in the center of town and he still got drama even though the girls knew each other.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1904794]Agree with Mr Enternational on herding the girls like cattle. First, they live further away from where they say. Next, they usually have no money to catch a cab or other transportation. Highly unlikely they will be on time if they decide to come as traffic is horrible and Cebu like rest of Philippines has bad infrastructure. I planned with 6 girls and was lucky to get 2 to meet me while in Cebu City. It is not hard to meet girls in Cebu City for 2000 pesos. Many available. Again, where is your beach house..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up. I figured to try and find girls online also. Right now I have signed up for date in Asia. But most then girls seem like they want love. I attached a image of where I am staying.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1904819]1. Its the holiday season.

2. Families come first despite any cash incentive.

3. If the girls don't know each other could e issues / drama / jealousy / shy.

4. If the girls do each other same issues as if don't know each other.

5. Plan ahead have at least double the girls saying yes as many will bail or as Mr E says they live Toledo, Bogo, Danao, Duma, Dalaguete, etc that takes time and money to get to Cebu (even if Mactan at the moment it is bad at times!

6. What about the pasalubongs as it is mas after all.

7. Where is the beach house. Mactan? As plan for the location, Going to Mactan on say Friday afternoon took me 90 minutes from...[/QUOTE]Again thank you. This are things I have not thought of. If this was Colombia I would have this figured out and the girls with out a doubt. But since my friend is into Asian women this has become s bit harder. I have booked the place in Santander beach.

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1904965]Again thank you. This are things I have not thought of. If this was Colombia I would have this figured out and the girls with out a doubt. But since my friend is into Asian women this has become s bit harder. I have booked the place in Santander beach.[/QUOTE]That is 'deep south" but OK for Oslob and the whale sharks.

As it is so far south, you should look for girls in that area so Dalaguete, Dumaguete, Valencia as these are closer towns. You have a cutie from say Danao. Liloan and she could see Santander (despite how nice it looks) being the other side of the world.

And it is Christmas.

But if all else fails and it seems very hard PM me I may have a suggestion (but don't do it at the last moment).

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1904819]
8. Six girls presumably naked etc may raise eyebrow from locals especially if in the 'provinces'.

I went a friend's birthday party in AC ad his wife arranged 6 girls. She is pinay and wet to the bars got very easily and brought them to their hotel. Easy but that was AC, she was pinay and very bisexual and knew who she wanted as well. Cebu? Am sure you can but maybe you need to think about how you find.[/QUOTE]Nobody notices a guy with one girl (or even two), but when you start looking for six you run a big risk of being linked to "trafficking".

I would keep well away from trying to organize anything like this. JMHO knowing what the current mind-set of the public and LE is in Phils at the moment.

It's "shoot first and ask questions later".

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1904913]Thanks for the heads up. I figured to try and find girls online also. Right now I have signed up for date in Asia. But most then girls seem like they want love. I attached a image of where I am staying.[/QUOTE]You are staying at the south most tip of Cebu. No idea what happens there nor the p4 p scene. I may have gone there but can't remember if that was the place where I swam with the sharks. It was way south but I am not good with names. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1905215]Nobody notices a guy with one girl (or even two), but when you start looking for six you run a big risk of being linked to "trafficking".

I would keep well away from trying to organize anything like this. JMHO knowing what the current mind-set of the public and LE is in Phils at the moment.

It's "shoot first and ask questions later".[/QUOTE]Very good advice are and something I should have thought of as this is a provincial and 'remote' place not A/C where people tend not to worry as much IMHO. FYI the party was at night and the girls went home so there was never lots girls in the same place overnight. And not all day for a week. Am sure someone will put 2 and 2 and make 50 and then things can turn ugly and / or expensive.

Did same in the UAE but all 5 bisexual pinays (including sisters) went back to their respective rooms after the fun LOL.

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1904667]So I been on this form for almost 10 years now. I was told about it my first trip to the Manila to see my ex wife. I didn't get to have much fun there then. Well fast forward to now. My friend just got dumped before his wedding and is crushed. So I figured a sex trip would work best for him. Now I do all my trips in Colombia and Dominican Republic. I just got back from 11 days in the DR.

I just booked a beach house from Dec 28 till January 4th over in Cebu. I am wondering if anybody can help me find six working girls that we can take with us there. I been reading all the reports about Cebu today, and it sounds like it is a bit hard to barfine women there now. So I am looking for six girls. Will pay for all their expenses to Cebu, and pay them 2000 pesos a day.

If anybody can help me get this setup ahead of time would be great.

Thanks[/QUOTE]I've know two girls in AC who are leaders of their little packs. They are not bargirls or mamasans, just respected by their peers. So, they between them have:

A) Organised a party at Lewis Grand room.

B) Organised a party at ABC penthouse.

C) Organised half a bus load of girls to meet us (the other half the mini-bus) upon our flight arrival at NAIA.

D) Organised a mini pool party at my AC hotel.

So, as other people have said this stuff is easy to so in AC. It can certainly be done.

IME, better to have 1-2 leaders to be responsible for bringing in talent.

I would not lock anything in for the entire week. Maybe break it into thirds. Easier to extend than explain why girls leave early.

Consider putting some of your budget to actual staff girls, to do the errands, buy load, drinks, etc.

Seeing as you will be at Mactan, consider searching DIA etc on Lapu Lapu or Mactan instead of Cebu.

And, AC is just a flight away. I took my mate there.

BD.

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1904965]But since my friend is into Asian women this has become s bit harder.[/QUOTE]Also good to figure out which type of Asian women your friend likes. Because if he likes them looking more like Koreans then PI is not the place to go. Most in PI lean more toward a smaller version of Pacific Islanders with a hint of Chinese than they do of what most people think of when they think Asian.

I doubt you will find any P4 P in South Cebu so bring your own or screen the websites for the few profiles of girls that live in that area. Take the ferry to Dumaguete and you will do a little better.

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1904965]Again thank you. This are things I have not thought of. If this was Colombia I would have this figured out and the girls with out a doubt. But since my friend is into Asian women this has become s bit harder. I have booked the place in Santander beach.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1905355]
IME, better to have 1-2 leaders to be responsible for bringing in talent.
....
Consider putting some of your budget to actual staff girls, to do the errands, buy load, drinks, etc.
[/QUOTE]This. You need someone on the ground doing the work if you want to pull it off, getting one Pinay do do anything is a logistical headache, rounding up six of them is like a fucking moon landing. Not that it can't be done, but you personally are not going to do it from your keyboard without help, unless that becomes your day job, and even then. Enlist help. Best of luck.

[QUOTE=RollAides;1905535]This. You need someone on the ground doing the work if you want to pull it off, getting one Pinay do do anything is a logistical headache, rounding up six of them is like a fucking moon landing. Not that it can't be done, but you personally are not going to do it from your keyboard without help, unless that becomes your day job, and even then. Enlist help. Best of luck.[/QUOTE]You are mostly right: How about rephrasing this:

Getting the wrong Pinay to do anything is a logistical headache.

Getting a qualified, working Pinay to do anything is possible.

I've been changing my expectations and my target group away from bargirls to tertiary qualified but out of work regular girls.

Happy days.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1905263]You are staying at the south most tip of Cebu. No idea what happens there nor the p4 p scene. I may have gone there but can't remember if that was the place where I swam with the sharks. It was way south but I am not good with names. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]The place you swam with the whale sharks was Oslob.

P.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1905762]You are mostly right: How about rephrasing this:

Getting the wrong Pinay to do anything is a logistical headache.

Getting a qualified, working Pinay to do anything is possible.

I've been changing my expectations and my target group away from bargirls to tertiary qualified but out of work regular girls.

Happy days.[/QUOTE]Good point, and well said. Thanks for the correction.

[QUOTE=Pompolino;1905856]The place you swam with the whale sharks was Oslob.

P.[/QUOTE]Actually, the village is Tan A Wan. It's about ten kms south of the town of Oslob.

Thanks to everybody for all the help. I have taken all that people have said and taken it back to my friend. Right now he had me book a place on Thailand in Pattaya for us. Cause know he is thinking about there. Cause like you said maybe be a bit hard to get girls to want to go that far.

So I booked a villa in Pattaya with a private pool. So now it is the process of trying to find a girl there like you said to run the things.

Has anybody been to Thailand that might have some advice.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1905355]I've know two girls in AC who are leaders of their little packs. They are not bargirls or mamasans, just respected by their peers. So, they between them have:

A) Organised a party at Lewis Grand room.

B) Organised a party at ABC penthouse.

C) Organised half a bus load of girls to meet us (the other half the mini-bus) upon our flight arrival at NAIA.

D) Organised a mini pool party at my AC hotel.

So, as other people have said this stuff is easy to so in AC. It can certainly be done..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1906721]Thanks to everybody for all the help. Has anybody been to Thailand that might have some advice.[/QUOTE]Some of these guys have.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?253-Thailand[/URL]

There was just now (Sunday, 17th) a news item on ABS-CBN news that regular meter taxis are going to be allowed to pick up passengers from all NAIA airports, starting July 18.

Passengers are requested to obtain name of driver and rego number and to report immediately if the meter is not used on request.

It's also in Philstar
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/07/15/1603161/naia-opens-doors-regular-white-taxis-starting-july-18

Part of Du30's attempt to make things easier for passengers to depart from the airport.

Interesting statistic is that 75% of all passengers are filipinos so he is being true to his word to assist his kababayan.

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1906721]Thanks to everybody for all the help. I have taken all that people have said and taken it back to my friend. Right now he had me book a place on Thailand in Pattaya for us. Cause know he is thinking about there. Cause like you said maybe be a bit hard to get girls to want to go that far.

So I booked a villa in Pattaya with a private pool. So now it is the process of trying to find a girl there like you said to run the things.

Has anybody been to Thailand that might have some advice.[/QUOTE]You should post this question on the Thailand Pattaya thread. Also RTFF. There is s ton of information on that thread. Thai girls love a party and Pattaya is one of the best places to have one. You could simply walk into a bar on Soi 6 (say Ruby or Roxy) that have a bunch of doable chicks and simply fill up the bus. It will be a bit more expensive compared to the Philippines, simply because the Thai Baht is more valued that the Peso. Also, the going rates for a LT pull from Soi 6 would be roughly 2500 THB + 500 BF. You can do the rest of the math.

If you have more money, you could do the same thing in a GoGo Bar with spectacular results. But you will blow the bank.

Lastly, if you want to do the hard work and keep yourself mentally occupied with the whole idea till the time you arrive, hit up social media and start chatting with a few cuties. When you have a couple of good leads ask them about their friends and slowly build up your roster. Of course, this could all descend into utter chaos when you land and you will need a PlanB and PlanC.

Have fun!

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1906721]Thanks to everybody for all the help. I have taken all that people have said and taken it back to my friend. Right now he had me book a place on Thailand in Pattaya for us. Cause know he is thinking about there. Cause like you said maybe be a bit hard to get girls to want to go that far.

So I booked a villa in Pattaya with a private pool. So now it is the process of trying to find a girl there like you said to run the things.

Has anybody been to Thailand that might have some advice.[/QUOTE]Think you did the right thing by rebooking in Pattaya. As others have said, see the Thailand forum for help with that. Best of luck.

Hello folks,

I'm planning a two week trip to the Philippines in late August (19 Aug - 03 Sept) this year.

This will be my first trip to Asia (at least for this type of activities) in a while so any advice or insight you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

Aside from the obvious reason for choosing the P.S. I would also like to squeeze in a few days of nice beach and some diving on the wrecks up at Coron as well as the whale Sharks etc at Oslob.

Right now my biggest concern is how to fit it all into a nice two week package, that offers ample opportunity for both types of extracurricular activities. I've read through the forums as research on how to plan my trip.

My current thoughts are to fly from FRA into either Manila or Clark. Return flight from Cebu to FRA.

If possible, I would like to pick up one or maybe two nice girls to accompany me on the rest of the journey and take a trip with me down further south for a few days or a week.

Has anybody done something similar? In the big cities it's no issue, but how relaxed are the smaller resorts / hotels (in the smaller towns) when you check in with or bring a girl?

Thanks for your input.

Rob

[QUOTE=Robnbg1981;1909825]Aside from the obvious reason for choosing the P.S. I would also like to squeeze in a few days of nice beach and some diving on the wrecks up at Coron as well as the whale Sharks etc at Oslob.[/QUOTE]Send Patrick over at Sea Dive in Coron an email. You will be a sad case if you do not bring a chick from Manila with you. If you are going to Oslob, then best to meet some chick in Cebu City to tag along with you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1909855]Send Patrick over at Sea Dive in Coron an email. You will be a sad case if you do not bring a chick from Manila with you. If you are going to Oslob, then best to meet some chick in Cebu City to tag along with you.[/QUOTE]I agree. I would further add to center your trip out of Cebu. Trips to places you have described make it a center that is easy and inexpensive to fly out of or take boat trips from. You can take in places like Bohol, Honda Bay near Puerto Princesa, and Ilo Ilo from Cebu easily. If you go to Ilo Ilo go to a restaurant called Rom Boys. The best smoked pork I have ever eaten in my life. Unless you have a burning desire to sit in traffic, skip Manila altogether.

Now is a good time to register on Date in Asia and start your chatting. You will only be alone when you want to be alone. Bring a cheap unlocked phone. SIM cards are cheap and easily available. Practice your texting because you will be doing lots of it for your two weeks.

Give us a report when you get back home.

[QUOTE=Amanut;1909876]If you go to Ilo Ilo go to a restaurant called Rom Boys. The best smoked pork I have ever eaten in my life. Unless you have a burning desire to sit in traffic, skip Manila altogether.[/QUOTE]Google asks if I mean Ramboy's: [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g298466-d7248056-Reviews-Ramboys_Lechonan_and_Restaurant-Iloilo_City_Iloilo_Province_Panay_Island_Visayas.html[/URL].

Posted this on the Cebu forum as happened there but is relevant everywhere.

Maybe this is common but not for me or the person referred to in the FR. As I have flown with cuties for years and they have never been asked this (me yes always when flying to the country).

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1004-General-Information&p=1911352&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1911352.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1911575]Posted this on the Cebu forum as happened there but is relevant everywhere.

Maybe this is common but not for me or the person referred to in the FR. As I have flown with cuties for years and they have never been asked this (me yes always when flying to the country).

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1004-General-Information&p=1911352&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1911352.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1004-General-Information&p=1911352&viewfull=1#post1911352[/URL]

Forum software breaks the URL at the # symbol, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=JamesBond1;1909907]Google asks if I mean Ramboy's: [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g298466-d7248056-Reviews-Ramboys_Lechonan_and_Restaurant-Iloilo_City_Iloilo_Province_Panay_Island_Visayas.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]Sorry I did not see your reply. Yes that's the place. They have a couple different locations in IloIlo but I only ate at the restaurant beside the old church.

Here is the latest "Smart Traveller" update about terrorist threats for Aussies living or travelling abroad.

It has old data as well as new updates.

[URL]http://smartraveller.gov.au/bulletins/Pages/terrorist_threat.aspx[/URL]

I was told by a local NBI guy that they are watching sites where foreigners of all colours and creeds hang out around Manila.

When I pressed him "what places?" I was told "Places like LA Cafe in Malate and Cafe Havana in Greenbelt". When I asked if they had credible intel he just smiled and did the mouth zipped gesture.

Be wary out there guys.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1911921]Here is the latest "Smart Traveller" update about terrorist threats for Aussies living or travelling abroad.

It has old data as well as new updates.

[URL]http://smartraveller.gov.au/bulletins/Pages/terrorist_threat.aspx[/URL]

I was told by a local NBI guy that they are watching sites where foreigners of all colours and creeds hang out around Manila.

When I pressed him "what places?" I was told "Places like LA Cafe in Malate and Cafe Havana in Greenbelt". When I asked if they had credible intel he just smiled and did the mouth zipped gesture.

Be wary out there guys.[/QUOTE]Maybe be on the look out for someone who hires a harem for his drunken last night before he gets his 72 virgins. Sadly more truth to this than humor.

My friend who is a manager in a business texted me a picture of a fake pictured company ID. This girl had applied for a job and show her a company ID. The ID looked very legit with her picture and laminated. The problem was my friend had previously worked at that company and called her friends there to verify this girl. The answer was negative. They didn't know her at all.

This is not the first time I have heard about legit looking fake company ID's. Anyone can get them produced at the local internet shops.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1912164]My friend who is a manager in a business texted me a picture of a fake pictured company ID. This girl had applied for a job and show her a company ID. The ID looked very legit with her picture and laminated. The problem was my friend had previously worked at that company and called her friends there to verify this girl. The answer was negative. They didn't know her at all.

This is not the first time I have heard about legit looking fake company ID's. Anyone can get them produced at the local internet shops.[/QUOTE]A few get there fake IDs in Greenhills (Manila for those who won't know this area). Plenty people there able to produce all sorts including fake university degrees that neither of us would know is fake.

One girls produced fake invoices in her university letterhead to fools an idiot who thought she was being charged a significant amount of cash each month for school fees LOL Was very authentic looking and he was fooled for sure.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1911921]Here is the latest "Smart Traveller" update about terrorist threats for Aussies living or travelling abroad.

It has old data as well as new updates.

[URL]http://smartraveller.gov.au/bulletins/Pages/terrorist_threat.aspx[/URL]

I was told by a local NBI guy that they are watching sites where foreigners of all colours and creeds hang out around Manila.

When I pressed him "what places?" I was told "Places like LA Cafe in Malate and Cafe Havana in Greenbelt". When I asked if they had credible intel he just smiled and did the mouth zipped gesture.

Be wary out there guys.[/QUOTE]These warnings are not dissimilar to those issued by the US Embassy, and are not to be taken lightly. I've pretty much started to avoid going out while in Manila and have started to restrict myself to the hotel and the office. If highly-trained French and German security forces can't do much to prevent the repeated slaughter of innocent people, I doubt that the more poorly trained and equipped security forces here will prove up to the task. So-called security guards have minimal training, cheap weaponry and zero intelligence information, so I doubt they would be of much use nullifying any threats.

As I've pointed out before, I very rarely take taxis, preferring Uber and failing that, the use of hotel cars. I never take what passes for mass transport here and would encourage others to adopt the same stance. This is particularly important for short-term first or second time tourists who don't know the country and know even less about the cities they're visiting.

GE.

Greetings folks,

With my impending trip to Manila and Cebu in a few weeks coming up, I set up an account with a 1 month subscription. I have now been approached by several cuties who have offered to provide GFE. Sending through pictures and making plans for me on what we could do when we are not burning the calories.

But the issue I have is these girls now are providing reasons of financial crisis. E. g rent, medicines for mom, medicines for kids, electricity bills, basic needs costs. Etc. School fees. The list goes on,.

I have replied to all of them that I will refrain from sending money unless I meet.

Maybe on hindsight I should not have created the account so early on the game.

But now, my list is thinning out as the girls are a bit miffed why I can't send money now.

FYI. I have been burned before, when I sent through some money to a girl who was planning to visit Dubai. But she never came. So now I have made up my mind, I will not pay up before I see.

Has anyone else faced similar issues. ?

Take care folks.

G.

[QUOTE=RogerSideways;1846720]In preparation for my short trip to Manila next month I activated my Pinalove account yesterday. I restricted my searching to Manila only and the 18-25 age bracket. Within less than an hour I had two offers to keep me company for money, another asking if I'm interested in "me and my lesbian girlfriend", and more hotties than I will possibly have time for. I'll spend the next few weeks sorting the wheat from the chaff, but I can tell already it's going to be a fun trip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gunners1;1912373]
FYI. I have been burned before, when I sent through some money to a girl who was planning to visit Dubai. But she never came. So now I have made up my mind, I will not pay up before I see.

Has anyone else faced similar issues. ?[/QUOTE]Yes, I think we've all been burned at some point by similar circumstance. I'd guess most all of us board regulars would say your instincts are right: never send money before spending time with a girl. The ones you mentioned who are dropping off your list for not sending are not worth your time. I make it clear up front that any remuneration comes *after* we spend time together.

Also, if you think the money requests are often now, wait until you spend time with a pinay. You will find the money requests after you leave also never stop.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1912383]Yes, I think we've all been burned at some point by similar circumstance. I'd guess most all of us board regulars would say your instincts are right: never send money before spending time with a girl. [/QUOTE]Don't include me in the "we've all been burned" Westy.

An absolute categorical rule for me is NEVER EVER send money in advance whether by LBC, XOOM, WU or any other means, whether I have met her before or not.

I know some guys regularly send money to girls that they already met but this money should be treated like casino gambling money, and restricted to what you can afford to lose.

[QUOTE=Gunners1;1912373]Greetings folks,

But now, my list is thinning out as the girls are a bit miffed why I can't send money now.

G.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about the thinning of the herd. The girls that are leaving were never going to meet you anyway.

On one hand someone scamming for free pussy with fake info and smooth words and on the other hand someone playing it better by dangling her free pussy out there. Don't complain if you get out scammed and burned.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1912343]As I've pointed out before, I very rarely take taxis, preferring Uber ...[/QUOTE]Indeed European countries are doing exactly the wrong thing when they ban Ueber in order to protect the market share of taxis and mass transport. Decentralised unconspicuous individual transportation is the best in the context of terrorism and shootings.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1912530]Don't include me in the "we've all been burned" Westy.

An absolute categorical rule for me is NEVER EVER send money in advance whether by LBC, XOOM, WU or any other means, whether I have met her before or not.

I know some guys regularly send money to girls that they already met but this money should be treated like casino gambling money, and restricted to what you can afford to lose.[/QUOTE]Apology Red. I have been so burned in the past. For a long time after the burn, I too adopted the NEVER EVER. But later I have sent some times thru WU to help support my regulars. Rarely has there been a hiccup on the girl's end later. For all new or nearly new, NEVER send, and I also never pre-cover transport if a girl wants to travel to see me. My policy is to reimburse transport (round-trip + a bit extra) immediately upon meeting a new girl. That way, if she does not like me (or vice versa), she never needs to be in my hotel, and can go directly home. Another thought: If you do send, decide in advance on a monetary amount that you can easily afford to lose. $10? $50? $500? Send only that amount. If you get burned, there's no loss of sleep.

For all gents new to any country: The NEVER-IN-ADVANCE rule should apply under all circumstances.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1912161]Maybe be on the look out for someone who hires a harem for his drunken last night before he gets his 72 virgins. Sadly more truth to this than humor.[/QUOTE]That's one side of the equation. The other has to do with crowded sites where unsuspecting foreigners hang out, thus making an ideal target.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1912383]Also, if you think the money requests are often now, wait until you spend time with a pinay. You will find the money requests after you leave also never stop.[/QUOTE]Spot on! Just today morning I got a FB Messenger call from a chick I had banged last year in Manila. I had added her on my FB but I never bothered to keep in touch. So I had not seen or talked to or messaged her in over 7 months. I did not pick the call as I was busy with some other stuff. Then I get a message and the conversation goes like this:

She: I'm here!

Me: Hey! How are you? Here where?

She: In Singapore.

Me: Oh I see, when did you arrive (smacking my lips at the prospect of a good weekend).

She: I have come to Singapore 2 weeks now. I have boyfriend in Singapore.

Me: Well, then why are you calling me?

She: because he break up with me now and I have no money to go back to Manila. Can you help me po?

Me: How can I help you? Ask your boyfriend to get you a ticket back (I am now wondering how she was let in without checking for a return ticket at the immigration desk).

She: Oh no! He says get out and is very angry. He not buy me ticket. Please help me po. Buy me ticket to go back.

Me: I'm sorry dear. I cannot help. I only give you money when you are with me. Not otherwise.

She: Oh. Ok, no problem. I will not bother you. I never see you again.

Me: Well. OK.

But I still love them pinays!

[QUOTE=Gunners1;1912373]

But now, my list is thinning out as the girls are a bit miffed why I can't send money now.

G.[/QUOTE]I keep barely but continuously active. For any that interest you a lot just remind them a day or two before you arrive. Statistically you should get plenty of satisfaction, just don't get set on a particular satisfiers. They'll be no less money hungry when in person, but you have more options and they know it.

[QUOTE=Gunners1;1912373]Greetings folks,

With my impending trip to Manila and Cebu in a few weeks coming up, I set up an account with a 1 month subscription. I have now been approached by several cuties who have offered to provide GFE. Sending through pictures and making plans for me on what we could do when we are not burning the calories.

But the issue I have is these girls now are providing reasons of financial crisis. E. g rent, medicines for mom, medicines for kids, electricity bills, basic needs costs. Etc. School fees. The list goes on,.

I have replied to all of them that I will refrain from sending money unless I meet.

Maybe on hindsight I should not have created the account so early on the game.

But now, my list is thinning out as the girls are a bit miffed why I can't send money now.

FYI. I have been burned before, when I sent through some money to a girl who was planning to visit Dubai. But she never came. So now I have made up my mind, I will not pay up before I see.

Has anyone else faced similar issues. ?

Take care folks.

G.[/QUOTE]Burned by sending money! You must be joking. Consider it as a donation. Look at all the sweet dreams you had your dick entering her sweet and tight pussy. That alone must be worth something.

Joking aside any girl if you show vulnerability will ask for money. I have put few girls through school and all of them have serviced me well over the years. I have sent many tickets plus traveling money to girls from provinces and all of them showed up and opened their legs. True that their sexual experience is limited. Shown how by the " Master" they quickly learn.

Only one time I sent 500 pesos to a supposedly " Virgin" from near Manila she failed to show up. But to her credit she did call and apologized. Her story is she tried to get permission from her mother which was promptly denied. Since she did not have any friends to cover her story of leaving house there was no way she could be with me.

For many of the province girls it is a problem to meet you if they are living at home. It is easy for girls living in boarding houses.

To send money or not it your personal decision knowing very well girl leave you Hi and dry. Mindset should be if she does not show up it should be taken as a entertainment expense.

On the other hand what I hate most is girls agreeing to meet at a certain time failed to show up without any explanation. If only they could have called and cancelled the meeting I would have lined up somebody else. In Philippines getting a replacement girl is never a problem thankfully.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1912692]She: because he break up with me now and I have no money to go back to Manila. Can you help me po?

Me: How can I help you? Ask your boyfriend to get you a ticket back (I am now wondering how she was let in without checking for a return ticket at the immigration desk).[/QUOTE]Apart from the blinding obvious question that you note Blanq when I have had the same question (whether it is international or locally that the cutie is stranded) I ask them "why go somewhere with a 1 way ticket and no mean to return home as that is plainly stupid".

That tends to shut them up as especially when I add "I would not have gone in the 1st place, so ask whoever invited you there to pay for the return as clearly they wanted you to come so quickly you got a 1 way ticket".

Been told am mean and other words after this, never see me again (fine) etc. For those who think of sending then next question is something like "I also need money for snacks and taxi" LOL.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1911921]Here is the latest "Smart Traveller" update about terrorist threats for Aussies living or travelling abroad.

It has old data as well as new updates.

[URL]http://smartraveller.gov.au/bulletins/Pages/terrorist_threat.aspx[/URL]

I was told by a local NBI guy that they are watching sites where foreigners of all colours and creeds hang out around Manila.

When I pressed him "what places?" I was told "Places like LA Cafe in Malate and Cafe Havana in Greenbelt". When I asked if they had credible intel he just smiled and did the mouth zipped gesture.

Be wary out there guys.[/QUOTE]All clear Sunday at 4:45 pm.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1912343]These warnings are not dissimilar to those issued by the US Embassy, and are not to be taken lightly. I've pretty much started to avoid going out while in Manila and have started to restrict myself to the hotel and the office. If highly-trained French and German security forces can't do much to prevent the repeated slaughter of innocent people, I doubt that the more poorly trained and equipped security forces here will prove up to the task. So-called security guards have minimal training, cheap weaponry and zero intelligence information, so I doubt they would be of much use nullifying any threats.

As I've pointed out before, I very rarely take taxis, preferring Uber and failing that, the use of hotel cars. I never take what passes for mass transport here and would encourage others to adopt the same stance. This is particularly important for short-term first or second time tourists who don't know the country and know even less about the cities they're visiting.

GE.[/QUOTE]Very sound advice. Problem is most of the guys who visit the Philippines are convinced they have more knowledge than the US Embassy.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1913288]Very sound advice. Problem is most of the guys who visit the Philippines are convinced they have more knowledge than the US Embassy.[/QUOTE]Whilst I always take notice of the travel advisories from my (Australian) embassy, you also need to factor in that the advice is designed to cover their backs if something goes wrong, so they ALWAYS err on the side of being ultra-cautious.

I have lived in the Philippines for 20 years now (mostly in Manila but also some time in Davao and in Northern Luzon too) and I can see that some of the advice is ultra-cautious but it might be essential to follow if you're a newbie.

I have also been advised that if a traveller disregards the clear advice given on the websites and something does go wrong, the Embassy can choose to ignore any pleadings for help if they so wish.

You might also need to read the fine print on your health and travel insurance policies too.

My work insurance policy (issued for short-term assignments) always excludes some parts of the Philippines.

So, WRT what FastP says, if you have local knowledge you might be able to "ignore" some advice, but if you're a newbie, you should generally follow it closely.

NEVER believe a girl who says "You can come to my probins; it is very safe here and we will look after you".

Of course it's safe for them, but it may not be for you.

I have a close friend who has been living in Cebu for the past several months, and who has been afflicted with chronic bronchitis almost since his arrival. His doctor there attributes the condition to his riding a small motorcycle and breathing in the exhaust emissions from the congested traffic in that city. He told me today his discovery that cars in this country are not equipped--at least not as a matter of law--with catalytic converters, a technology that's been mandatory in the developed world for about 45 years. Given the general disinterest in public health that pervades the country I suppose I shouldn't have been surprised, but I was. It's yet another indication to me of how far out of synch this place really is.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1914331]It's yet another indication to me of how far out of synch this place really is.[/QUOTE]It is not at all out of sync. It is just that the first world countries that we live in expect that when they discover or decide something then everyone else should follow suit. When our countries are doing a fucked up thing then it is all well and good. But when we decide it is fucked up and decide to do otherwise, then we expect every other country to stop and do the same. Shit don't work like that. Remember when slavery and prostitution was no big deal in the USA? Now that we have decided it is not good for us then we want everybody else to stop it too.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1914331]I have a close friend who has been living in Cebu for the past several months, and who has been afflicted with chronic bronchitis almost since his arrival. His doctor there attributes the condition to his riding a small motorcycle and breathing in the exhaust emissions from the congested traffic in that city. He told me today his discovery that cars in this country are not equipped--at least not as a matter of law--with catalytic converters, a technology that's been mandatory in the developed world for about 45 years. Given the general disinterest in public health that pervades the country I suppose I shouldn't have been surprised, but I was. It's yet another indication to me of how far out of synch this place really is.[/QUOTE]Not doubting the validity of GE's description of the disregard for public health, I found that soon after I moved to the Philippines for work (1997) fro a cooler climate in Australia, all of my sinus problems and skin irritations disappeared, almost overnight, despite the obvious drop in air quality.

My doctor concluded that it was the tropical humidity that was working in my favor.

So I guess "you win some and you lose some".

Did you tell your doctor that you'd been shagging all kinds of relatively young women? Maybe his conclusion would have been different.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1914344]Not doubting the validity of GE's description of the disregard for public health, I found that soon after I moved to the Philippines for work (1997) fro a cooler climate in Australia, all of my sinus problems and skin irritations disappeared, almost overnight, despite the obvious drop in air quality.

My doctor concluded that it was the tropical humidity that was working in my favor.

So I guess "you win some and you lose some".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1914344]Not doubting the validity of GE's description of the disregard for public health, I found that soon after I moved to the Philippines for work (1997) fro a cooler climate in Australia, all of my sinus problems and skin irritations disappeared, almost overnight, despite the obvious drop in air quality.

My doctor concluded that it was the tropical humidity that was working in my favor.

So I guess "you win some and you lose some".[/QUOTE]Yeah, I've had stomach issues for years and 2 weeks in the Philippines last year cleared it right up within a few days. Never felt better. Until I went home and it started again. Who'd've thunk it. Better behaving guts in the 3rd world country!

(Disclaimer: might just be stress relief, as it were)

Interesting set of national data.

[URL]https://sg.news.yahoo.com/dutch-latvians-world-tallest-pinoys-000000463.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Simmer;1914746]Yeah, I've had stomach issues for years and 2 weeks in the Philippines last year cleared it right up within a few days. Never felt better. Until I went home and it started again. Who'd've thunk it. Better behaving guts in the 3rd world country!

(Disclaimer: might just be stress relief, as it were)[/QUOTE]Interestingly, I have a breathing allergy here, which disappears a day or so after I fly into the tropics, and returns 24 hours after I get back here. OTOH, 4-5 days into my time in phils and I get stomach issues (reflux, ulceritis), probably from the foods associated with travel and phils restaurants. All of that stops a few days after returning to my regular diet when back home.

Filipinas are not the world's shortest. You may want to read the articles that you cite.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1914987]Interesting set of national data.

[URL]https://sg.news.yahoo.com/dutch-latvians-world-tallest-pinoys-000000463.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1915260]Filipinas are not the world's shortest. You may want to read the articles that you cite.[/QUOTE]Concur. Traveling the Costa Maya and south from Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, etc, I find the women even shorter than pinay (not much, just some). Others?

1. Aymara women which make up the indigenous population living in the Andes and Altiplano regions of Bolivia, Peru and Chile, are shorter than Filipinas. A casual walk around the street markets of La Paz and Cuzco will confirm this. The young ones can be very cute, but they age quickly and the older they get the wider they get.

2. I don't have stats on this, but my personal impression has always been that Khmer and Lao girls were more petite and shorter than Filipinas too.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1915282]The young ones can be very cute, but they age quickly and the older they get the wider they get..[/QUOTE]This is true of many ladies regardless of nationality Natty LOL.

Never like seeing for example a wide ass white lady (say in Florida) walking round in shorts thinking she is the 'bees knees' to sexy fashion. Thank goodness I never go there (I mean the lady not Florida). Many pinays I see overseas are chubby also. Lack of exercise, way too much food (rice still in the diet unfortunately IMHO) and when with their man they seem to switch off from being the slim sexy girl the guy was a horn dog for.

IMO, the Phils have the best women in the world, all things considered. On the other hand, their food will give any country for worst in the world.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1915030]Interestingly, I have a breathing allergy here, which disappears a day or so after I fly into the tropics, and returns 24 hours after I get back here. OTOH, 4-5 days into my time in phils and I get stomach issues (reflux, ulceritis), probably from the foods associated with travel and phils restaurants. All of that stops a few days after returning to my regular diet when back home.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1915260]Filipinas are not the world's shortest. You may want to read the articles that you cite.[/QUOTE]OK. So I said "shortest" when I should have said "next to shortest" or "second shortest".

What a nit-picker. You should call yourself "pompous" instead of "pompetus".

I read the complete paper before I posted.

When you factor in the statistical error as well as the other variables like converting from cms to inches, age at which height is measured, maturation rates, quality of food etc filipinas can be classified as shorter even than women in Guatemala. OTOH, they can also be classified as on the 4th or 5th rung from the bottom.

Papers quoted in Yahoo Philippines hardly require serious analysis; I posted it more as a light-hearted diversion. The data is hardly likely to influence global politics.

Philippine friend of mine was going to travel to Hong Kong with the intent to stay there for few weeks. Her and lot of other people, including elderly and even guys, got offloaded and were not allowed to fly. She said the "immigration is now strict because of Duterte".

WTF?

[QUOTE=PolyOrchid;1915289]IMO, the Phils have the best women in the world, all things considered. [/QUOTE]Are you serious? They definitely get my vote for the most airheads though.

I've noticed my schwantztooka has a significant increase in length and girth upon arrival in the Philippines. QUOTE=WestCoast1;1915030 Interestingly, I have a breathing allergy here, which disappears a day or so after I fly into the tropics, and returns 24 hours after I get back here. QUOTE].

[QUOTE=PolyOrchid;1915289] On the other hand, their food will give any country for worst in the world.[/QUOTE]Life expectancy in the Phils is upwards of 15 years shorter than some East Asian and European countries. Quality of health care is undoubtedly an issue, but all the sugar and salt in their recipes can't be helpful. And where else do you find people gravitating to eateries with all you can eat rice?

I have always suspected that the many short Filipinos is related to lack of protein in children's diets, hence, the legs and other bone structures never get very long.

Great to hear about your mini-schwantztooka. One of my Fiipina friends says that your pistol expands to about three inches.

[QUOTE=DCups;1915682]I've noticed my schwantztooka has a significant increase in length and girth upon arrival in the Philippines. QUOTE=WestCoast1;1915030 Interestingly, I have a breathing allergy here, which disappears a day or so after I fly into the tropics, and returns 24 hours after I get back here. QUOTE].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aerishman;1915352]Philippine friend of mine was going to travel to Hong Kong with the intent to stay there for few weeks. Her and lot of other people, including elderly and even guys, got offloaded and were not allowed to fly. She said the "immigration is now strict because of Duterte".

WTF?[/QUOTE]This isn't really a 'WTF' situation. It not discussed that frequently here, but it does get discussed from time to time. Its difficult for pinoy to travel for pleasure outside of phils. There are a variety of reasons as to why (both for the inbound country and for phils -- protecting pinoy).

Well that is three times larger than your inchworm that one of my Filipina girlfriends told me about you, asshole.

[QUOTE=XMan;1916431]Great to hear about your mini-schwantztooka. One of my Fiipina friends says that your pistol expands to about three inches.[/QUOTE].

I used to play sports. Although I only have a teeny weeny inchworm, I always wore my "D cup" protection. Oh, and thank you for the sweet words you sent to my pm box.

[QUOTE=DCups;1916533]Well that is three times larger than your inchworm that one of my Filipina girlfriends told me about you, asshole.

.[/QUOTE]

But the same girl told me you didn't have any balls either, X. Ya, go vote for Hillary you dumb fuck. Your brain is even smaller than your inchworm of a dick.

[QUOTE=XMan;1916752]I used to play sports. Although I only have a teeny weeny inchworm, I always wore my "D cup" protection. Oh, and thank you for the sweet words you sent to my pm box.[/QUOTE].

It's been a long time since you've posted more than one sentence at a time. You must have really put in some effort here. Congratulations.

[QUOTE=DCups;1916907]But the same girl told me you didn't have any balls either, X. Ya, go vote for Hillary you dumb fuck. Your brain is even smaller than your inchworm of a dick.

.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1917117]It's been a long time since you've posted more than one sentence at a time. You must have really put in some effort here. Congratulations.[/QUOTE]Both of you guys need to go to your rooms for so, e quiet time. Enough of the puerile taunts.

[QUOTE=Aerishman;1915352]Philippine friend of mine was going to travel to Hong Kong with the intent to stay there for few weeks. Her and lot of other people, including elderly and even guys, got offloaded and were not allowed to fly. She said the "immigration is now strict because of Duterte".

WTF?[/QUOTE]Long standing tradition of treating their poor like shit in their own country. Locals pay taxes on air fares that foreigners don't etc. Nothing new.

It's called getting to the point, you dickless, nutless, drivelling dolt.

[QUOTE=XMan;1917117]It's been a long time since you've posted more than one sentence at a time. You must have really put in some effort here. Congratulations.[/QUOTE].

The way I see it, GE, is you have four choices in the forum. A) ignore the post; B) chuckle (if you think it's funny); C) respond in a non-offensive way if you have a relevant comment; or D) start a pissing contest. Since the thread was about the health benefits of being in a tropical environment I joked about it increasing schwantztooka size which I dunno maybe was a weak attempt at humor. But X "man" defaults to letter "the" because he has a (one-inch) hard-on for me. He inevitably loses the pissing contest because his shrimpie cannot even reach the urinal so he pisses on himself once again. Nevertheless, I am willing to let by-gones be by-gones and buy X a beer at that sports bar in AC on the corner up from Orchid Inn (I forget the name of it) on Sept 11 or !2 or 16 or 17 if X promises 1) not to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] himself and 2) refrains from talking about the good ol days when he lettered in tiddly winks wearing his mama's padded bra as a jock strap because his family could not afford an actual jock strap. (I hope you were able to keep up with this lengthy post, X). BTW Asia Rain and Mr. E. , if you happen to be in AC on those dates I'd be happy to buy you a beer, too. Maybe then you will realize I am just a regular guy trying to have fun like everyone else on here. Cheers.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1917181]Both of you guys need to go to your rooms for so, e quiet time. Enough of the puerile taunts.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=DCups;1917417]It's called getting to the point, you dickless, nutless, drivelling dolt.[/QUOTE]Have you been talking to my ex?

Good one, Westie. Hook her up with X. They'd make a fine pair!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1917551]Have you been talking to my ex?[/QUOTE].

It's called Phillies. I can buy my own beer, thanks anyway.

I responded to your penis humor with my own humor. It was kind of surprising that you immediately went into full attack, name calling mode.

It's bad enough you've resorted to name calling, and now you want to disparage my family? Why don't you take GE's advice, and apparently your own advice, and shut up.

[QUOTE=DCups;1917516] SNIP I joked about it increasing schwantztooka size which I dunno maybe was a weak attempt at humor. SNIP

.[/QUOTE]

Ah, yes, Phillies. The difference, X, is that my humor was not directed at anyone whereas yours was. So, now you cry boo hoo and want ME to shut up? Add delusion and cry baby to my list of names for you. Next time you start a pissing contest get a bigger pisser.

[QUOTE=XMan;1917649]It's called Phillies. I can buy my own beer, thanks anyway.

I responded to your penis humor with my own humor. It was kind of surprising that you immediately went into full attack, name calling mode.

It's bad enough you've resorted to name calling, and now you want to disparage my family? Why don't you take GE's advice, and apparently your own advice, and shut up.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Amavida;1917197]Long standing tradition of treating their poor like shit in their own country. Locals pay taxes on air fares that foreigners don't etc. Nothing new.[/QUOTE]Not exactly true AV although your overall point about pinoys screwing other pinoys is true.

As a 13 A visa holder and a foreigner I have to pay travel tax.

Foreigners who have been here for 12 months also must pay. See the regulation here: [URL]http://www.philippineconsulate.com.au/travel-tax.html[/URL].

I didn't know this because all the previous times that I have left the Philippines nothing was said at booking or check-in and I left without any problem (Thai Air, PAL and Korean Air).

Suddenly, last trip at Korean check-in I was told I had to pay travel tax. I argued and the official showed me the regulation.

I went off to the Travel Tax desk and paid my fee.

Just finished sorting out a booking to Australia soon and PAL informed me that travel tax would have to be added on to my costs.

So. After a period of not being fussed with foreigners, they are (all of a sudden) checking up on us too. The new BOI commissioner has his "new broom" out.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1917724]
Foreigners who have been here for 12 months also must pay. See the regulation here: [URL]http://www.philippineconsulate.com.au/travel-tax.html[/URL].

I didn't know this because all the previous times that I have left the Philippines nothing was said at booking or check-in and I left without any problem (Thai Air, PAL and Korean Air).

[/QUOTE]Me neither bro. Another thing to look out for next time I jump a jet. Joy.

AV.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1917724]Not exactly true AV although your overall point about pinoys screwing other pinoys is true.

As a 13 A visa holder and a foreigner I have to pay travel tax.

Foreigners who have been here for 12 months also must pay. See the regulation here: [URL]http://www.philippineconsulate.com.au/travel-tax.html[/URL].

I didn't know this because all the previous times that I have left the Philippines nothing was said at booking or check-in and I left without any problem (Thai Air, PAL and Korean Air).

Suddenly, last trip at Korean check-in I was told I had to pay travel tax. I argued and the official showed me the regulation.

I went off to the Travel Tax desk and paid my fee.

Just finished sorting out a booking to Australia soon and PAL informed me that travel tax would have to be added on to my costs.

So. After a period of not being fussed with foreigners, they are (all of a sudden) checking up on us too. The new BOI commissioner has his "new broom" out.[/QUOTE]Don't feel too bad RK. I've had to pay the last two times I left.

GE.

Hello folks.

I am in urgent need of some advice.

I am chatting up with this girl on one of the dating sites.

I wanted 2 girls, so asked her to bring he friend as well which she agreed.

Now the issue is that she claims she is 19 and her friend is 18. But her ID has expired.

Should I entertain her and her friend with expired ID in my room.

Are there any risks?

Both their ID have expired coincidently.

Please help.

Thanks.

G.

[QUOTE=Gunners1;1918488]Hello folks.

I am in urgent need of some advice.

I am chatting up with this girl on one of the dating sites.

I wanted 2 girls, so asked her to bring he friend as well which she agreed.

Now the issue is that she claims she is 19 and her friend is 18. But her ID has expired.

Should I entertain her and her friend with expired ID in my room.

Are there any risks?

Both their ID have expired coincidently.

Please help.

Thanks.

G.[/QUOTE]Expired ID's are kind of the norm I assume they are school ID.

Still you are taking some risk. Have the security guy look at the ID's.

Hello Dg,

Spot on. Expired school ID it is.

I will check with the hotel concierge. The pictures are too hot to pass. She says she works for BS mobile.

Anyway. Will keep you all posted on the progress. I think I will take a chance if my hotel reception and security clear her.

Thanks a lot again.

G.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1918512]Expired ID's are kind of the norm I assume they are school ID.

Still you are taking some risk. Have the security guy look at the ID's.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gunners1;1918520]Hello Dg,

Spot on. Expired school ID it is.

I will check with the hotel concierge. The pictures are too hot to pass. She says she works for BS mobile.

Anyway. Will keep you all posted on the progress. I think I will take a chance if my hotel reception and security clear her.

Thanks a lot again.

G.[/QUOTE]You seem to be on the right track regarding someone "skilled" to check ID's. Still, even if security verify ID to be okay and it still proves that one of the girls was not of legal age, its all on you. Its you getting banged up abroad until court will hear your case (can take years). You can claim all that you like to the police "but the guard verified her ID and he told it was okay". This will have no saying at all if some hickups occur and one of the girls go sour on you. I live by the saying (gut feeling somewhat) "if it looks young it probably is TO young". Fake ID's are all over the place and it is unlikely an underpaid security guy / girl gives a shit. Not to get you to paranoid but playing in the somewhat young girlie segment can get you into loads of shit. I myself trust only passports if meeting up with young girls. Nothing else. Of course this will exclude quite a few young stunners as pinays in general don't obtain a passport no matter of what age they come in so just imagine how few 18/19 y old actually having the one trusted document. For the latter period of time I am thinking of accepting SSS ID's. I am not so picky when my gut feel tells me she is 22 or older. It is hard from only looks to establish age for some pinays and a 16 y old can look like 22 y and vica verca. ID is the way to go.

Story from when I learned my lesson: Was dealing with a stunner online claiming she was 18 y. I thought fine, lets meet. Just to be sure I made the cam 2 cam to get a better look at her and she proved still as beautiful as in her pics. We agreed to meet public outside my breeding place (Manila hotel). She arrived and I saw this slender, small, tiny girl walking out of the taxi (I agreed I pay the taxi upon her arrival). I quickly hold the driver back screening the girl up and down. She looked not more than 15 tops to be frank. This showed me how difficult it can be to get an impression of a girls age even through live cam broadcasts. I asked her to show me ID ad she told me she didn't have one. I asked her to be honest and tell me her real age (I was acting cool and did this in a very friendly tone). She replied she was only 17 and that she would turn 18 next year. I gave her 500 p for her return trip with the same taxi. Bye bye. Not likely anything wrong would have happened but lets say she from some reasons turned sour on me (she knew my place so easy task to track me down).

Story from after I learned my lesson: Met this girl telling me she was 18 y. I asked if she had a passport (which she had). I told her to bring that and bullshitted her into believing that was the only ID my hotel trusted (it was a Hi so hotel but still). We met public outside my place, I was asking if she brought the passport which she did. It was a nice session incl a few pops and all was preceding in a friendly manner. Upon her departure we were jibberishing and I asked to view her passport just I was curious to see the layout of a Phil passport. She gave it to me and I took a few pics from it. It showed me she was in fact 19 y. Then time went on and we had some skype sessions from time to time. She was a real stunner so I kept fairly in touch so I could have a go at it on another visit. Then she suddenly asks me (well I knew she was a student a a UNI in Makati) for approx 40 k php for a tuition fee she was changing from UNI and into a culinary study. I declined her requests (I never send money and only pay for service rendered but I do call it gifting) and from there things went sour. She got mad and accused me of fucking her despite she was only 17 y and she would alert the PNP. Then I told her "dear you remember I do have pics of your passport which states you were 19 y when we met?" Then she hanged up, blocked me and was never to be seen or heard from ever again (fine by me). She probably did this quite a few times to test for gullible victims but in all the commotion / desperation for tuition money (or whatever) forgot I took photos. I bet she was angry on herself for allowing me to view her passport but she would have learned now. I have seen her FB (got it from other sources) and she still looks young so she could very likely trick someone believing she is only 17 y so he pays up.

[QUOTE=Vitaplex;1918571]<SNIP>
I live by the saying (gut feeling somewhat) "if it looks young it probably is TOO young". Fake ID's are all over the place and it is unlikely an underpaid security guy / girl gives a shit. Not to get you to paranoid but playing in the somewhat young girlie segment can get you into loads of shit. I myself trust only passports if meeting up with young girls. Nothing else. [/QUOTE]Good advice here from Vitaplex.

Those of us who live here and have been invited to be "ninongs" (or "sponsors / godfathers") at weddings here and there will know that it is common-place to put very heavy adult make-up on the flower girls or any of the other associated attendants no matter what age they are (5 yo. Upwards).

I have been gob-smacked on some occasions to see kids who are family members and who I know to be only 12 - 15 yo dressed up to the nines with full makeup and adult dresses who look nothing like the kids that I know and remember. They could fool anyone.

If you know what I am talking about you will agree that VP's statement that "if it looks young it probably is too young" is correct. There is severe risk anywhere in the world to be dabbling with girls close to the legal age, especially if you are 20 to 30 years older.

It's crazy to contemplate it.

[QUOTE=Gunners1;1918488]Hello folks.

I am in urgent need of some advice.

I am chatting up with this girl on one of the dating sites.

I wanted 2 girls, so asked her to bring he friend as well which she agreed.

Now the issue is that she claims she is 19 and her friend is 18. But her ID has expired.

Should I entertain her and her friend with expired ID in my room.

Are there any risks?

Both their ID have expired coincidently.

Please help.

Thanks.

G.[/QUOTE]ID Costs money. Most girls will not have any or at best school ID (expired if left school & working somewhere) or if you're lucky 'postal ID' (used to collect the all important Western Union from absentee guy's). None will have passports except Hi-so girls or bargirls who have been to SG, HK, TW, Malaysia etc. If her age is a big issue for you then don't go there, look for horny thirty somethings. Pctures mean nothing on dating sites, get them on cam to verify looks & language.

AV.

[QUOTE=Gunners1;1918520]Hello Dg,

Spot on. Expired school ID it is.

I will check with the hotel concierge. The pictures are too hot to pass. She says she works for BS mobile.

Anyway. Will keep you all posted on the progress. I think I will take a chance if my hotel reception and security clear her.

Thanks a lot again.

G.[/QUOTE]For whatever it is worth, no matter what always have funds available for resolution fees. Remember resolution fees are always the lowest at the lowest resolution levels. Do not escalate it.

[QUOTE=Vitaplex;1918571] Then she suddenly asks me (well I knew she was a student a a UNI in Makati) for approx 40 k php for a tuition fee she was changing from UNI and into a culinary study. I declined her requests (I never send money and only pay for service rendered but I do call it gifting) and from there things went sour. She got mad and accused me of fucking her despite she was only 17 y and she would alert the PNP. Then I told her "dear you remember I do have pics of your passport which states you were 19 y when we met?" Then she hanged up, blocked me and was never to be seen or heard from ever again (fine by me). She probably did this quite a few times to test for gullible victims but in all the commotion / desperation for tuition money (or whatever).[/QUOTE]"Or whatever" may be the key words here. Some recent allusion to picking up students should (IMHO) be viewed with some skepticism. Scoring a nubile young student makes a great fantasy for an older foreigner, but Pinays for hire are clever enough to know that as well. If you were in her shoes and knew a few details about some local university from an acquaintance who had attended it, wouldn't you try to sell yourself as a university student? Savvy expats may know to ask the right questions to sniff the situation out, but most sex warriors don't know enough about the lay of the Philippine university landscape (no pun intended) to put the lie to the charade.

I once pulled a very attractive 22 year old out of LA Cafe who claimed to attend a fashion design program in a Makati university. Her mother had married a yank, lived in California, and sent remittances to her. But they weren't enough to cover her college costs. So she pulled tricks out of LAC to make up the difference. Or so she said. I later learned that I was one of at least four tricks she pulled from LAC that night. A few months later I saw her in a Trike Patrol video that had been made several months prior to my hookup with her. (There's some foundation for my decision always to wear condoms in these waters.) It's possible everything she told me was true, but taken all together, the circumstances strain the credibility of her account about being a student. I suspect there are numerous others like her. Just because many of these women are not well-educated doesn't mean they're stupid, incapable of putting on an act, and unable to learn from each other. They have a lot more time commitment to this profession than we do. Also, what passes for a "university" in the story of a p4 p Filipina may often be little more than a three to six month trade school. So much for the "student" fantasy.

I think Vitaplex and RK nailed the correct bottom line in this debated situation: a young Pinay with no ID or an expired one is not worth the risk, especially considering how many other readily available fish there are in the local seas.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1918647]Remember resolution fees are always the lowest at the lowest resolution levels. Do not escalate it.[/QUOTE]A few years ago, staying at Eurotel by Robinson's Malate, I had a wonderful pimpette, she seemed to have an endless supply of young cuties. She txt that she had this afternoon's fun, ready to go in Robinson's, second floor McDo. Upon entering and sitting with the two of them, the girl was attractive, young, and had: golden colored hair. Off we went across the street. The girl was nervous in the room, and chatty. Finally we got down to biz. She got her clothes off and I snapped a few pics, when suddenly she bolted off the bed, grabbed her clothes, and ran into the CR. She came out fully dressed and asked to leave. She was clearly too nervous to go on. I offered her half the agreed-upon amount. She said "Thank you" and I walked her to the street. I txt the pimpette that the girl could not consummate. I ran into the pimpette by accident, an hour later, as I was departing Robinson's grocery store in the mall. She asked what happened to the girl, and I told her. She asked how much I gave the girl and I told her. "But what about my commiss". She stopped. We were interrupted by an older lady, walking right towards us, wagging her finger at the pimpette, her words loud. People stopped to watch. The older gal chewed on the pimpette for a minute, wagging her finger, and occasionally looking at me. Finally I held my hand up, between her face and mine, which silenced her. I asked the pimpette what was happening. "This the mother of the girl. She angry to me. She did not know till now that I give the girl to foreigner. She want a consideration". Oh. To end this mess, I asked the mother: What consideration do you want? She stopped to think, put her hand in her pocket and pulled out several coins and then put them back. "Two hundred". Um, pesos? "Yes. Two hundred". Oh my! I pulled out a 500-note and handed it to her. Get your daughter some dinner with this. She smiled, as if the thing had resolved itself, and said: "Really? Salamat!" And with that, the mother grabbed the pimpette by the arm and dragged her towards the Starbucks. I turned heel and hoofed it out the nearby Adriatico entrance, turning right and phast-footing it out of there. 200 pesos!

A few hours later in the evening, passing G-Point, I saw the pimpette sitting in Jolibee. I walked in and *had* to ask what happened with the mother. "She make me give 500". Really. So the girl got half, the mother got 700, you don't get any commission, and the girl did not have to perform. Right? "Well, yes". Boy, we showed THEM!

Dodged a bullet for p200. In the words of DG8: Do *not* escalate!

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1918653]"Or whatever" may be the key words here. Some recent allusion to picking up students should (IMHO) be viewed with some skepticism. Scoring a nubile young student makes a great fantasy for an older foreigner, but Pinays for hire are clever enough to know that as well. If you were in her shoes and knew a few details about some local university from an acquaintance who had attended it, wouldn't you try to sell yourself as a university student? Savvy expats may know to ask the right questions to sniff the situation out, but most sex warriors don't know enough about the lay of the Philippine university landscape (no pun intended) to put the lie to the charade.

I once pulled a very attractive 22 year old out of LA Cafe who claimed to attend a fashion design program in a Makati university. Her mother had married a yank, lived in California, and sent remittances to her. But they weren't enough to cover her college costs. So she pulled tricks out of LAC to make up the difference. Or so she said. I later learned that I was one of at least four tricks she pulled from LAC that night. A few months later I saw her in a Trike Patrol video that had been made several months prior to my hookup with her. (There's some foundation for my decision always to wear condoms in these waters.) It's possible everything she told me was true, but taken all together, the circumstances strain the credibility of her account about being a student. I suspect there are numerous others like her. Just because many of these women are not well-educated doesn't mean they're stupid, incapable of putting on an act, and unable to learn from each other. They have a lot more time commitment to this profession than we do. Also, what passes for a "university" in the story of a p4 p Filipina may often be little more than a three to six month trade school. So much for the "student" fantasy.

I think Vitaplex and RK nailed the correct bottom line in this debated situation: a young Pinay with no ID or an expired one is not worth the risk, especially considering how many other readily available fish there are in the local seas.[/QUOTE]Hey SS you need to be careful about flinging all those accusations around. 1) When my girls turn up in their garb & ask me to help them complete their assignments before we play, I'm pretty darn sure they're legit. 2) Some cross over back & forth between sex worker & straight world. This happens all over the world.

AV.

I am not sure if it is this way in the Philippines, but in Thailand it is common for a girl to state her age (19) but really mean "I am 18 going on 19. " It is not necessarily a deception as much as it is a difference in culture, I believe. I have spoken to a few Filipinas who seem to have responded in the same way. Be careful!

Just because the gogo girl says she is 19, and Mamasan says she is 19, and her "ID" says she is 19, doesn't mean she is 19. Be VERY careful! Go for girls in the mid-upper 20's, they are better in bed anyway.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1918665]Hey SS you need to be careful about flinging all those accusations around. 1) When my girls turn up in their garb & ask me to help them complete their assignments before we play, I'm pretty darn sure they're legit. 2) Some cross over back & forth between sex worker & straight world. This happens all over the world. AV.[/QUOTE]I tried to offer skepticism, not accusations. I'm sorry if I missed the mark and you thought it was personal.

But how about offering a field report? Even us less-experienced and less Philippine-savvy sex warriors might benefit from some specifics about how you've done it. I think us sex warriors are unlikely to have the time or connections to usurp the particular inside channels with the girls you've been with, but it could be educational to see how it's done--and for us sex hounds there's also prurient value in the stories, no?

What subject matter did the girl want tutoring in? How did you help her? How did she tell you that she managed the two sides of her life? How did she describe hiding the SW activity from other students and from family? If you hookup with a De La Salle coed, for example, where and how would you meet her? Ditto from UP Diliman? I have seen what appeared to be student eating and coffee hangouts near some of these campuses, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out how I could approach one of the young ladies without embarrassing her badly in front of her friends. So, I'm asking a lot of details here, maybe too many, but a few specifics about what has worked for you could be helpful to others of us.

Fake I the cards are as common as street litter in the Philippines. As suggested by RK, a passport is the only one that's likely, if not necessarily, to be authentic. Go down to Colon in Cebu and observe the guys openly counterfeit every imaginable official government stamp. Never meet a girl in your room. Always in the lobby, or better yet, outside. If an [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girl has even been having a soft drink and watching TV in your room, you are putting yourself at risk.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1918783]I am not sure if it is this way in the Philippines, but in Thailand it is common for a girl to state her age (19) but really mean "I am 18 going on 19. " It is not necessarily a deception as much as it is a difference in culture, I believe. I have spoken to a few Filipinas who seem to have responded in the same way. Be careful!

Just because the gogo girl says she is 19, and Mamasan says she is 19, and her "ID" says she is 19, doesn't mean she is 19. Be VERY careful! Go for girls in the mid-upper 20's, they are better in bed anyway.[/QUOTE]Always ask if she is "running" 19 as this is how they thinks. As SP notes 19 could mean 18 unless you ask a specific question. I have learnt over many years to ask "are you running 19 etc or are you 19".

Clarifies things fast.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1918828]What subject matter did the girl want tutoring in? How did you help her? How did she tell you that she managed the two sides of her life? How did she describe hiding the SW activity from other students and from family? If you hookup with a De La Salle coed, for example, where and how would you meet her? Ditto from UP Diliman? I have seen what appeared to be student eating and coffee hangouts near some of these campuses, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out how I could approach one of the young ladies without embarrassing her badly in front of her friends. So, I'm asking a lot of details here, maybe too many, but a few specifics about what has worked for you could be helpful to others of us.[/QUOTE]I have had the same experiences as Amavida. I help them with class work (some it is truly very basic. Refer to many FRs on the standard of Philippine education especially HRM) regardless of subject. Many have no feel for numbers apart from the size of your dick LOL so any doing anything that requires basic (and I mean basic) accounts etc is a favorite (I did a quick trial balance for a cutie 2 days ago took 5 minutes and was all laid out in her school books but she could not understand the book either). Also helped in preparing "reactions" to various articles etc. This is cutie has to comment on and show some intelligence around a subject such as climate change.

The girls try to avoid being seen in places where there friends play so coming to your side of town / your hotel is no issues for them. Once I get to know them I soon find out which of her friends also paly away and that has benefits for me.

I sit around my office (a coffee shop) and watch, smile as many are looking also for some fee assistance. If a uni cutie is walking around Ayala in Cebu for example in heels greater than 1-2" for sure she is on the look out as heels higher than 1" (mainly) are banned in schools. You don't need to do too much but being nice, looking nice (reasonably well groomed), smelling good etc are helpful (although some I have seen think this is not important!

You need to be flexible and adaptable as you are right they don't want to be seen chasing foreigners in front of friends some of whom are very conservative and all love chismis (gossip). But with time you can spot the ones looking and get a sixth sense IMHO of those keen. Then you need to find a way to get them away from the 'pack'.

Always meet the girls in coffee shops or my hotel. If the latter it is fairly clear IMHO what will happen (tell them to bring a bikini for example), Meeting places is never an issue and I go with the flow as she will tell me where she prefers (I have one who always meets me in the hotel-straight to room- as lots of friends in the Ayala area, so sometimes I take her to Mactan which is a pain for traffic but worth the effort LOL).

So many ways to skin the same cat yet so little time is the problem fro many guys.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1918828]So, I'm asking a lot of details here, maybe too many, but a few specifics about what has worked for you could be helpful to others of us.[/QUOTE]Mr Amavida can speak or not for himself, but I'm sure no middle-aged or old guy regularly finds success on the spot approaching that gaggle of beautiful uniformed 19-year olds in a mall food court. Time is money holds true. We can either spend big money and get fast, hot service, or we can spend long periods of preparation and pursuit, or anywhere along that continuum. Some of the most promiscuous members get to know our bedmates a bit, getting introduced to more bedmates. In time (which most visitors lack), referrals blossom into an endless and reliable supply. I most like the method of just meeting as many ordinary beautiful women as possible in daily life, discretely but clearly communicate what I'd like to do with her, keep friendly communication, and over time the odds just work out again to endless (but less predictable) enjoyment. Purely for self-amusement I could try guessing which forum members use which method, but I'll bet all long-termers use one or both of them. Short-term visits are a completely different situation. Success to all.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1918828]I tried to offer skepticism, not accusations. I'm sorry if I missed the mark and you thought it was personal.

But how about offering a field report? Even us less-experienced and less Philippine-savvy sex warriors might benefit from some specifics about how you've done it. I think us sex warriors are unlikely to have the time or connections to usurp the particular inside channels with the girls you've been with, but it could be educational to see how it's done--and for us sex hounds there's also prurient value in the stories, no?

What subject matter did the girl want tutoring in? How did you help her? How did she tell you that she managed the two sides of her life? How did she describe hiding the SW activity from other students and from family? If you hookup with a De La Salle coed, for example, where and how would you meet her? Ditto from UP Diliman? I have seen what appeared to be student eating and coffee hangouts near some of these campuses, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out how I could approach one of the young ladies without embarrassing her badly in front of her friends. So, I'm asking a lot of details here, maybe too many, but a few specifics about what has worked for you could be helpful to others of us.[/QUOTE]SP apologises if I misunderstood your intent. It's all part of the rough & tumble of forum discussions. I post erratically because I'm shooting from the hip from my phone whilst busy. Let's take it back to basics: it's a poor country & overpopulated. There's lots of girls wanting to exchange fun for peso's. These range from dirt poor province girls through to students & up to working girls. Higher society & professional women engage foreigners for non monetary reasons.

Q) Don't these pretty girls have handsome boyfriends?

A) Yes they do. They may be socially constrained in what they can do with these BF's & in any event the boys often have no manners & no money.

Q) Don't these girls prefer their own age?

A) Yes they do but see previous & Filipinos are very gregarious in any event. When we step off the plane we all have great 'pesonality' whether we are gwapo or not.

Q) Don't people notice older men with younger women?

A) Of course they do. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] / sugar daddy couples are common in Asia. Often a girl will be congratulated rather than castigated. Provided decorum is observed. The higher up the socio economic scale you go the more choosy the woman.

Q) Is there a student scene & can I get into it. If so how.

A) Yes. Yes. Students like foreigner BF's who visit intermittently so long as the guy is reliable in helping with tuition etc. Those of us here long term find supporting students mutually beneficial. These girls are classier than farm girls & more sexually adventurous. Most importantly. They not chasing marriage. Find students on dating sites / social media & instant messaging apps.

Sorry don't have time for more right now. Keep asking questions.

AV.

Seems more appropriate here, as opposed to the AC thread.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1919423]However the relationship starts, that is how it has to continue. So if you choose to set the tone with money then you will have to keep the money coming. [/QUOTE]I think you are very correct. While you yourself don't plan to let your relationship become money-based, that is not the norm. Almost all marriages are money-dependant, with one partner supplying the bread (or alternately, much more of the bread), and that would normally be the male. In few marriages around the world does either of the following occur:

1) both parties supply the bread approximately equally, or.

2) the female supplies most of the bread.

While both parties work in many marriages, the man will make the lion's share of the money (for a variety or reasons, which is not important for this discussion). Women don't typically marry a man that she thinks can't take care of her financially (unless her parents are making the decision, and when they make the decision, they also don't choose a mate for their daughter who can't take care of her). Most relationships start out as infatuation, progress to love, then marriage. Your concept that a relationship should continue in the same way it starts is egalitarian, but not the way relationships go (they grow, move in different directions, and change). Nothing makes that point like the pinoy cultural commitment to love-marriage-family-old-age. At some point in there, *somebody* must financially take care of the other person (s).

Marriage laws require financial commitment, even after a marriage ends. As most marriage relationships are defined by a man providing for a woman (and possibly offspring), and the woman being societally charged with being his only sexual partner, I ask again: How is that not prostitution? I realize this might be an uncomfortable topic.

I'm taking my first trip to the Philippines early next year.

I was wondering if anyone had budget recommendations? Do far I'm going for 10 days and was going to budget 200 USD per day. I wasn't sure if this was reasonable enough to have a great time.

[QUOTE=Halifax2016;1919456]I'm taking my first trip to the Philippines early next year.

I was wondering if anyone had budget recommendations? Do far I'm going for 10 days and was going to budget 200 USD per day. I wasn't sure if this was reasonable enough to have a great time.[/QUOTE]Is that $200 for everything (excluding travel to / from phils), food / drink, lodging, girls (which can also include the girl's food / drink), and possibly girl's travel to you?

Also, where will you be staying -- Manila, Cebu, AC, province (makes a difference in costs of foods, hotel, girls)? What kind of lodging do you prefer -- luxury ($150+), average ($80-ish), lowbrow / pennsione ($30-ish)? If you want luxury lodging, after food you will have nothing to spend on girls. Are you a big drinker (booze ads up in bars)?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1919772]Is that $200 for everything (excluding travel to / from phils), food / drink, lodging, girls (which can also include the girl's food / drink), and possibly girl's travel to you?

Also, where will you be staying -- Manila, Cebu, AC, province (makes a difference in costs of foods, hotel, girls)? What kind of lodging do you prefer -- luxury ($150+), average ($80-ish), lowbrow / pennsione ($30-ish)? If you want luxury lodging, after food you will have nothing to spend on girls. Are you a big drinker (booze ads up in bars)?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. Sorry I should have been more thorough.

I will be staying in AC. I would prefer average accommodations. The 200 USD daily I theorized was for everything including girls. I figured I might be way off.

I just got out of the service so I'm looking to have a really great time especially with food and girls. I am a very light drinker, a beer here or there (maybe 1-2 a day) and that's it.

I can increase my budget. How high do you suggest? Are the lower ends accommodations worth the savings? Is 10 days too long for a first time trip? I will be traveling from the East Coast USA. I'm looking to indulge in the girls.

Thanks again for the help.

Well I was going to send you a PM but I think you need to sign up $20/ year to get them. Well worth it. Since you are fresh out of service I'll lend a helping hand here. $200/ day should be enough all inclusive except airfare of course. Philippine Airlines has RT direct flights for around $1100 from LA and San Francisco, I don't know about back east. The earlier you book the more you save. Three-star hotels run about $50/ night maybe a little more. Again, book ahead of time through agoda dot com or comparable and you can save a little. I stay at Orchid Inn which is near the action and has a pool and the food is ok. Cute waitresses. For fun $60 - 90 per all night guest (less for short time) but Your Mileage (and costs) Might Vary. Of course there are unlimited variations but these are basic guestimates. That leaves you around $50 for food and beer --plenty for three squares a day with a cutie on your arm. Ten days is relatively long in AC so I'd recommend a side trip to Subic (I stay at Treasure Island) or if you find one you like take her to 100 Islands or Baguio. Hit the websites (Date in Asia, Filipino Cupid, for example) to get some digits and dates lined up but realize there is a high drop-out / no-show rate (you have to confirm everything at least three times with these girls until you get to know them). I'm sure other veteran posters will have recommendations. Good luck and let us know how you did. Of course go back and read the forum for an hour or more to see others' perspectives.

[QUOTE=Halifax2016;1919837]Thanks for the reply. Sorry I should have been more thorough.

I will be staying in AC. p.[/QUOTE].

The round trip airfare runs $550 to $630 (looking in September through Google air search). $1100 ????

[QUOTE=Halifax2016;1919837]Thanks for the reply. Sorry I should have been more thorough.

I will be staying in AC. I would prefer average accommodations. The 200 USD daily I theorized was for everything including girls. I figured I might be way off.

I just got out of the service so I'm looking to have a really great time especially with food and girls. I am a very light drinker, a beer here or there (maybe 1-2 a day) and that's it.

I can increase my budget. How high do you suggest? Are the lower ends accommodations worth the savings? Is 10 days too long for a first time trip? I will be traveling from the East Coast USA. I'm looking to indulge in the girls.

Thanks again for the help.[/QUOTE]

If you can afford to increase your budget perhaps start with buying a membership. Blow $20.00 because a lot of info is shared via PM. Membership does have it's privileges. I am assuming you are also a Canuck. As a vet, of I am happy to try to help, Join the site and shoot me a PM. You may as well bring home some interesting pictures to convince people you went there for the history and sightseeing.

I have never been to Angeles, but everything I have read here suggests that ten days there is too long. Three or four days perhaps. Then get out and try other cities so you will see what the Philippines is all about. You won't find that in Angeles. On my first trip I was there for 21 days and it was almost too short, but in hindsight about the right time. Cebu is my place to go. It is central, and accessible to many other places. It has lots of historic places within the city. It is a cab ride to many other places such as beaches. Take in the history as the Philippines has lots of historic sites. Flights from Cebu to other cities in the south is inexpensive. From my point of view it is a great place and stinky and congested like Manila. Do some reading on the Cebu thread.

If you are looking for memorable food the Philippines is not the place to go.

I have never been into the P4 P scene. I am a Date in Asia Guy. About a month before you go join DIA. Chat with the ladies on DIA and you will only sleep alone when you chose to do so. Keep in mind that they may not be P4 P, but you will pay one way or the other be it gifts, clothing, trips, or whatever. Plus a little something in their purse when you are done with them. There is a DIA thread at the bottom of the page.

I agree with DCups on this. Figure your airfare separate. On $200/ day you should do fine in AC and Subic. His hotel recommendations are good. You can always stay somewhere nicer, but that will blow your budget. Plan 3 nights in AC + 3 nights in Subic + 3 nights in AC and your last night in Manila. Bring a little spare cash or a credit card. LOL.

For a 1st visit I recommend that you spend most, if not all of your recreational time with the bar girls and get to know what they are like. They are just awaiting to make your acquaintance and welcome you with open arms. RTFF. Take note of which bars receive the most positive reviews here. Understand the EWR (barfine) protocols and relative prices. Then go with the flow as soon as you arrive. Its so easy. On subsequent trips, as you learn the ropes, you can try lining up a few girls from the internet sites if you want to.

I remember my first visit to the PI. I flew directly into Clark from Macau. I spent 5 nights in AC, 5 nights in Makati, 5 nights in Cebu City, 4 nights in Palawan on a great beach, and 4 nights in Malate. I met great girls everywhere except on Palawan. I liked Makati and AC best for the girls. I also really liked Sabang, Palawan for its beautiful beach and as a great place to just kick back and do absolutely nothing. On my 2nd visit I went back to AC, Makati, Palawan and checked out Subic. I liked the relaxed vibe in Subic. There are not as many bars in Barrio Barretto (Subic) as in AC, but more than enough to quench your thirst. Very nice girls. Try to stay as long as you can. 14 days is better than 10. 18 days is better than 14. You are going to like the girls. I envy you your 1st visit. You are going to have one of the greatest times of your life.

Is the way to go. Assuming, as a vet, you can spill some dough. Girls from datingsites, facebook, bargirls or freelancers will be all over you. 200 $$ might be to tight and you will be thinking to much obtaining this certain budget. 3-400 $$ gives you the freedom to relax. Don't know your finances and economic powers of course.

You are in for a good treat. Bring sex tools, some condoms (if you fancy those) and just enjoy. I fancy Makati the most. Well I never been to AC so I will withdraw from debating AC good or not. I don't like the bar environments (girl bars). I do sidekicks with regular Phil ladies (students-/ air hosts-, waitresses-, call center-/ mall girls) to a great extent. I do enjoy the illusion from the girls "they like me" attitude. Its all about the moneys.

Even better.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1919892]The round trip airfare runs $550 to $630 (looking in September through Google air search). $1100 ????[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1919892]The round trip airfare runs $550 to $630 (looking in September through Google air search). $1100 ????[/QUOTE]He said PAL and they are usually expensive, but are the only direct (non-stop) airline from the US west coast to Manila or Cebu. Having said that, next month PAL is running $854 for many dates, and even $750 in October. But I would agree that $1100 is kind of mid-point for PAL as I've had to hand over $1550 for MiL to use them last year (2 months in advance). This time it was either $1450 or another airline and layover. Latter.

I recently booked a United round trip to Manila from South Florida for $900 and small change. Historically this is a very good round trip price from South East Coast USA. There are two stops: Houston and Narita. I jumped on the rate as soon as I saw it. The flight gets into Manila at 9:30 pm so there is still plenty of time for my two favorite girls to meet me at my hotel and welcome me back. I can't wait!

[QUOTE=Halifax2016;1919837]Thanks for the reply. Sorry I should have been more thorough.

I will be staying in AC. I would prefer average accommodations. The 200 USD daily I theorized was for everything including girls. I figured I might be way off.

I just got out of the service so I'm looking to have a really great time especially with food and girls. I am a very light drinker, a beer here or there (maybe 1-2 a day) and that's it.

I can increase my budget. How high do you suggest? Are the lower ends accommodations worth the savings? Is 10 days too long for a first time trip? I will be traveling from the East Coast USA. I'm looking to indulge in the girls.

Thanks again for the help.[/QUOTE]Greetings bro, firstly thanks for your service to your country, I greatly appreciate our military.

Now about your first trip. I think most guys visiting the PI will spend a week in AC tops because it is a one trick town. Not much to do except hit the bars and have fun w / the innocent simple minded ladies working the bars.

It is elementary mongering as easy as hitting water jumping out of a boat. There are 2 areas of interest for the monger, glitzy Fields Ave and then the more laid back Perimeter Rd w / a group of bars here and another group there. These two areas are about a mile apart so easy to pop back and forth, w / Fields Ave being a little more pricey, than the Perimeter Rd bars which start opening at noon. Price differences are 1500 p to 2000 p for BF on Perimeter and 2500 to 3000 p on Fields Ave. In general the Fields Ave scene has more bars, more women, more lookers, more excitement.

My method of operation in AC (this Sept will be my 10th visit) is to go hunt the Perimeter bars starting around 1 pm and pop into as many as it takes to find my afternoon honey. Then we have a few drinks here and there or I take her back to my hotel Pacific Breeze ($40 per night) buy a $4 bathing suit and enjoy the rest of the afternoon in the PB pool. After that the main event and then she's on her way and I take a nap, eventually dinner and then around 8 pm I take a very short walk to Fields Ave and start the night game.

The Fields bars are a lot more fun than the Perimeter bars (for some) and have elaborate dancing shows w / 50/60 ladies doing choreographed dance routines that they work on and entertain the monger with. It is great fun to be in the audience and watch the humanity on stage and then BOOM! You see a pretty little thing and you motioned to her that you want her to sit w / you. Or you ask the waitress to go get her and then she's sitting w / you up close. So now the fun has doubled because a lot is happening and the potentials also multiply. These bars will want you to buy a lady drink as soon as she sits down. I politely request that the lady does not order a double LD and orders a normal LD. Most of these women have no problem when I do that.

After all, the woman just sat down and you really don't even know what will come out of her mouth. Maybe she will not bar fine for any number of reasons, the most common excuse is, "I'm on the men" meaning menstruation which is pretty much the end of the line. When they say that it's time to move on. Some guys ask the bar girl if she has the men before buying an LD, but your giving her an out before she knows anything about you. That's why I usually ask her if she'll bar fine (or leave the bar w / me) after I buy a normal LD. Most bars in mongering zones are aggressive when it comes to selling drinks so be on guard.

Hotels? My preference is to be close to Fields Ave so I stay at Pacific Breeze. It is a bit run down but they are super friendly, the restaurant is very good and the pool is even better. Their pool is where I have some of my best memories. Just floating around w / my Perimeter lady, her legs around me and my arms around her, face to face. Just water dancing in circles forever and ever smiling and happy. It's pretty special and one of the reasons AC is my favorite place on earth. For others it's something different, for me it's the magic in the pool and the the great sex afterwards. The hotel Score Birds in close by and newer w / a beauty contest every Saturday and lower prices I think. There should be some decent maps of the Fields Ave / Perimeter bar layout so you know where your hotel will be in relation. In between these 2 areas is mid Fields and there are a few good bars there as well. These bars, Brass Knob and Ponytails etc use to be dumps and I never went in except once and that was enough but on my last trip in April of this year I went in and was surprised to see these bars had great line ups and nice comfortable interiors. So if you stay mid Fields definitely check those out.

So that is AC in a nutshell. I'll be there in a month or so and had so much fun the last time that I will be staying for 10 days which is a long long time for dirty little AC. The easy going women make up for any short coming the town itself has. If your budget is $200 you will be living large. You don't sound like a guy who will need to spend that much per day and have a fantastic time.

In Manila you will need every bit of the $200 per day. Makati is where a lot of mongers end up staying because it is clean and safe. The Makati scene is centered around Burgos St and Burgos St is a sight to see when things get rolling at night. The dancers here are more sophisticated and smart. They dress better (in actual dresses) and know how to take care of themselves. In AC the women are like country bumpkins but not so in the big city. Many Burgos St bars have early bird discounts on their drinks and bar fine charges. So a top bar like Bottoms w / a bar fine of 3600 p will offer a 2600 p bar fine before 7 pm, same w / other bars scattered around Burgos St. Also the street floods w / free lancers so if you want to avoid the bar fine cost there is plenty to choose from right there on the street. Like I said before, it is great fun to sit at an open cafe and watch the Burgos St Zoo. Again, this is elementary mongering but the cost are more than double AC prices. OTOH the visual quality of the hookers in Makati are also double that of their AC counterparts. Example, Kojax Bar charges 3600 bar fine and the dancer will want 3000 p usually for short time. This price is very high and probably most mongers will not pay those prices. On my last trip I asked the mamasan there (Amy) for a discount BF and she gave me a 2900 p BF of which I did take a lady out. If you have a little charm and time you can then arrange side dates w / the dancer thus no BF cost. So there are 2 worlds on Burgos street, maybe 3 w / the lower end bars such as Rogues etc.

A hotel very close to Burgos (no pool) is the Red Planet Hotel and the price is under $40 I think. I usually stay at St Giles which is too costly but has a pool. Oh, in the big city the afternoon pool time and $4 bathing suits are not readily available if you only work the bars as I generally do.

Closing it out if I were you I would spend 6/7 days in AC and then a couple of days in Makati. Taxis are cheap and there are many other options in Manila, the Edsa Complex, LA Cafe, etc.

I hope this additional info helps along w / all the other good advice. Maybe someone can post a good map of the bar layout.

The first is a Burgos dancer. The other is a sweet AC dancer.

[QUOTE=Halifax2016;1919837]Thanks for the reply. Sorry I should have been more thorough.

I will be staying in AC. I would prefer average accommodations. The 200 USD daily I theorized was for everything including girls. I figured I might be way off.

I just got out of the service so I'm looking to have a really great time especially with food and girls. I am a very light drinker, a beer here or there (maybe 1-2 a day) and that's it.

I can increase my budget. How high do you suggest? Are the lower ends accommodations worth the savings? Is 10 days too long for a first time trip? I will be traveling from the East Coast USA. I'm looking to indulge in the girls.

Thanks again for the help.[/QUOTE]Your situation sounds familiar to me from some years ago. Many on this board have given spot-on advice for on the ground in AC or Makati. I'm also no drinker. If you're bored during the non-peak show hours, I very much recommend inviting girls you find online close to your location. Send 100 messages that say "Hi, I'm visiting now from wherever my first time in the Philippines. May I text you? What's your cell number?" When (not if) they ask you what you're looking for, you can say "I'm only here for a visit. I'm looking for a fun, open-minded girl for companionship while I'm here. " Out of 100, I'm sure you'll get 20+ willing to meet you as soon as they're free. Another 50 or so will try to get you into a relationship. Your life, your rules. Insist on verifying age and gender. PM me any time for specific advice about Metro Manila. I'm a novice in AC.

Someone recently mentioned that many reports here only show the good stuff, the sex, the young girls, the freebies. This report is a recap of some of my "happenings" over the years: the good, the bad, the ugly. Here goes:

From the AC thread, currently p748, Mar 28-2011. #8020 and #8028. Got myself into trouble with a pair of bargirls and the bar owner / manager:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1138552&viewfull=1#post1138552[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1138989&viewfull=1#post1138989[/URL]

Other Areas thread, Pain in the province x3, about p29, July 25-2014. #1918, #1920, #1929:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas&p=1599308&viewfull=1#post1599308[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas&p=1599324&viewfull=1#post1599324[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas&p=1601356&viewfull=1#post1601356[/URL]

Photo Gallery, Sisters Bar Cebu. Bargirl runs in the middle of the night, page 329, June 21-2011. #3472. Two thousand+ views on the first of 3 pics.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1138989&viewfull=1#post1138989[/URL]

PhotoGallery, Oral joy, Sept 14-2011, p314. #3712, #3713.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2446-Photo-Gallery&p=1196328&viewfull=1#post1196328[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2446-Photo-Gallery&p=1197304&viewfull=1#post1197304[/URL]

Page 312, Sept 17-2011, #3729.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2446-Photo-Gallery&p=1198186&viewfull=1#post1198186[/URL]

PhotoGallery, Doggy and facial, p251, June 12-2012 #4653.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2446-Photo-Gallery&p=1292433&viewfull=1#post1292433[/URL]

You didn't say which east coast city you are flying out from. Nor your age, food preferences, hobbies and whether you are an active person or more laid beck.

United Airlines have some pretty decent prices out of New Jersey and the Houston hub. I didn't check other cities.

Hotel prices are way down. I use [URL]tripadvisor.com[/URL] for comparison rates. Many decent hotels with pools in the $60 range.

As for food, there are many decent restaurants at decent prices. I have found the restaurant prices are about half the USA prices for comparable meals. Budget $25-30 a day for good meals. Of course you can eat for less.

As for girls I spend $50 to $100 a day. Some days I get one girl and other days I double up. About every 2-3 days I take a day off to recoup. I primary get girls from the bars or referrals from bar girls. I suggest you as a newbie to stick to bar girls and not try your luck on FL until you learn the lay of the land.

Also not mentioned here is getting legit massages. The rates vary starting at $6 per hour. In room service is usually around $9 per hour. I prefer a massage service associated with the hotel for a good massage. Nothing like having a 2 hour massage in the room between breaks with your BG lying next to you. FYI, I have never had a good massage from the massage girls, soliciting out in the street. Also the massage shops will do outcall to hotels.

Enjoy your self and possibly up your budget to enjoy more if you like. YOLO.

I posted prices in US dollars for easier newbie calculations and you stated your budget in US dollars.

P.S. I have found AC to be addictive with the poon, massages and even with manicures and pedicures.

[QUOTE=Amanut;1919897]Keep in mind that they may not be P4 P, but you will pay one way or the other be it gifts, clothing, trips, or whatever. Plus a little something in their purse when you are done with them.[/QUOTE]That is exactly P4P! You can call it a date if you want but buying a girl clothes, gifts and trips and then putting something extra in their purse is P4P plain and simple.

[QUOTE=Halifax2016;1919837]Thanks for the reply. Sorry I should have been more thorough.

I will be staying in AC. I would prefer average accommodations. The 200 USD daily I theorized was for everything including girls. I figured I might be way off.

I just got out of the service so I'm looking to have a really great time especially with food and girls. I am a very light drinker, a beer here or there (maybe 1-2 a day) and that's it.

I can increase my budget. How high do you suggest? Are the lower ends accommodations worth the savings? Is 10 days too long for a first time trip? I will be traveling from the East Coast USA. I'm looking to indulge in the girls.

Thanks again for the help.[/QUOTE]You are getting a lot of advice on hotels from others as well as advice from a couple of guys to stick with the bar girls on your first trip which also seems reasonable. So I will try to help you clarify what it is you are looking for in this trip and that will help determine your budget.

What do you mean by "have a really great time especially with foods and girls" this is the key question for your budget and the location.

Examples for AC, I've found Manila to be more expensive and Subic less so.

If you are happy with having one girl all night and only one girl and you go low key on the lady drinks then 2500-3000 pesos for bar fine + 200-250 for a lady drink. Add in your hotel and meals and you will definitely be under your $200 budget.

Same above scenario but you want to "party" with the girl you took and you start bar hopping, taking her to the disco then the drinks will start to add up but still under your budget.

Or this is not enough? You want a massage with a handjob at lunch, a blowjob around dinner and two ladies overnight in your jacuzzi? Then the costs start adding up.

So you still need to decide what will constitute a really great time for you. Then we can pin down a closer number for your budget and more specific recs but if I was planning a first trip I would aim a little higher than just a 10 day trip to AC. The amount of $ and time for airfare need to be factored in. I would suggest a 3 week trip at least and go spend a week in Thailand (especially as you said food is a priority for you) a week in PI and a stop in Cambodia to see Angkor. You owe yourself a nice trip.

Question from a friend who is in Phil now: he was with a working girl one night. He said she looks of legal age. They have sex. They stay together for 3 days. After 3 days he wants to say bye bye and move on. She mentions that she is only 17. He is now shitting himself and worried. He emails me and says what should he do? I said not get so drunk and check ID (if looks young prob is). He says yeah great help now. I ask him is she asking for money or saying she will tell anybody. He says not at this stage. She showed him her ID. He said it was from some school or something.

Question: should I tell him get the hell out of there? Wait and see what happens? Offer money? He says he has paid hotel for 2 weeks and doesn't want to leave unless absolutely necessary. Under what conditions or circumstances should he leave or stay? What should I advise him?? He is shit scared as is his first time in philippines and has heard scary stories.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1920540]Question from a friend who is in Phil now: he was with a working girl one night. He said she looks of legal age. They have sex. They stay together for 3 days. After 3 days he wants to say bye bye and move on. She mentions that she is only 17. He is now shitting himself and worried. He emails me and says what should he do? I said not get so drunk and check ID (if looks young prob is). He says yeah great help now. I ask him is she asking for money or saying she will tell anybody. He says not at this stage. She showed him her ID. He said it was from some school or something.

Question: should I tell him get the hell out of there? Wait and see what happens? Offer money? He says he has paid hotel for 2 weeks and doesn't want to leave unless absolutely necessary. Under what conditions or circumstances should he leave or stay? What should I advise him?? He is shit scared as is his first time in philippines and has heard scary stories.[/QUOTE]Not enough info. Where is he (city)? Where is the girl from? Nearby?

The remainder of his hotel payment will be the least of his worries.

Ask him to get out.

And not to visit that country again.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1920540]Question from a friend who is in Phil now: he was with a working girl one night. He said she looks of legal age. They have sex. They stay together for 3 days. After 3 days he wants to say bye bye and move on. She mentions that she is only 17. He is now shitting himself and worried. He emails me and says what should he do? I said not get so drunk and check ID (if looks young prob is). He says yeah great help now. I ask him is she asking for money or saying she will tell anybody. He says not at this stage. She showed him her ID. He said it was from some school or something.

Question: should I tell him get the hell out of there? Wait and see what happens? Offer money? He says he has paid hotel for 2 weeks and doesn't want to leave unless absolutely necessary. Under what conditions or circumstances should he leave or stay? What should I advise him?? He is shit scared as is his first time in philippines and has heard scary stories.[/QUOTE]

If it were me I would get the hell out of there ASAP.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1920540]Q
Question: should I tell him get the hell out of there? .[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=NewImage;1920540]Question from a friend who is in Phil now: he was with a working girl one night. He said she looks of legal age. They have sex. They stay together for 3 days. After 3 days he wants to say bye bye and move on. She mentions that she is only 17. He is now shitting himself and worried. He emails me and says what should he do? I said not get so drunk and check ID (if looks young prob is). He says yeah great help now. I ask him is she asking for money or saying she will tell anybody. He says not at this stage. She showed him her ID. He said it was from some school or something.

Question: should I tell him get the hell out of there? Wait and see what happens? Offer money? He says he has paid hotel for 2 weeks and doesn't want to leave unless absolutely necessary. Under what conditions or circumstances should he leave or stay? What should I advise him?? He is shit scared as is his first time in philippines and has heard scary stories.[/QUOTE]Just a day ago there was a post about settling at the lowest level possible. Avoid any escalation of any sort. And forget the hotel booking for two weeks and anything else. Just get the hell out of there as quickly and as quietly as possible.

Unless this friend fancies fish head soup in a third world prison for the rest of his life.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1920540]Question from a friend who is in Phil now: he was with a working girl one night. He said she looks of legal age. They have sex. They stay together for 3 days. After 3 days he wants to say bye bye and move on. She mentions that she is only 17. He is now shitting himself and worried. He emails me and says what should he do? I said not get so drunk and check ID (if looks young prob is). He says yeah great help now. I ask him is she asking for money or saying she will tell anybody. He says not at this stage. She showed him her ID. He said it was from some school or something.

Question: should I tell him get the hell out of there? Wait and see what happens? Offer money? He says he has paid hotel for 2 weeks and doesn't want to leave unless absolutely necessary. Under what conditions or circumstances should he leave or stay? What should I advise him?? He is shit scared as is his first time in philippines and has heard scary stories.[/QUOTE]In short; he must escape as soon as possible. You never know what happens tomorrow. If he is worried about his hotel booking I am sure he doesn't understand what shit he could be in?? In general he has no rights in Phils and being banged up there I guess could be interesting. I am sure you get the idea what you should tell your friend to do.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1920540]Question from a friend who is in Phil now: he was with a working girl one night. He said she looks of legal age. They have sex. They stay together for 3 days. After 3 days he wants to say bye bye and move on. She mentions that she is only 17. He is now shitting himself and worried. He emails me and says what should he do? I said not get so drunk and check ID (if looks young prob is). He says yeah great help now. I ask him is she asking for money or saying she will tell anybody. He says not at this stage. She showed him her ID. He said it was from some school or something.

Question: should I tell him get the hell out of there? Wait and see what happens? Offer money? He says he has paid hotel for 2 weeks and doesn't want to leave unless absolutely necessary. Under what conditions or circumstances should he leave or stay? What should I advise him?? He is shit scared as is his first time in philippines and has heard scary stories.[/QUOTE]Tell him to just marry her. What does he mean she is a working girl? Bar girl? FL? SW? Is she an experienced working girl? If so, she may not be after anything other than normal compensation. But it doesn't mean someone else that finds out isn't in for a payday.

By now any advice would be worthless if he hasn't left by now.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1920540]Question from a friend who is in Phil now: he was with a working girl one night. He said she looks of legal age. They have sex. They stay together for 3 days. After 3 days he wants to say bye bye and move on. She mentions that she is only 17. He is now shitting himself and worried. He emails me and says what should he do? I said not get so drunk and check ID (if looks young prob is). He says yeah great help now. I ask him is she asking for money or saying she will tell anybody. He says not at this stage. She showed him her ID. He said it was from some school or something.

Question: should I tell him get the hell out of there? Wait and see what happens? Offer money? He says he has paid hotel for 2 weeks and doesn't want to leave unless absolutely necessary. Under what conditions or circumstances should he leave or stay? What should I advise him?? He is shit scared as is his first time in philippines and has heard scary stories.[/QUOTE]Agree with the other suggestions but if he insists on hanging on, at the very least change rooms and keep a low profile. Hopefully a large enough hotel with more than one entrance.

Idle thought: maybe is old enough and attempting to scam. Something to muse after going AWOL.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1920547]Not enough info. Where is he (city)? Where is the girl from? Nearby?

The remainder of his hotel payment will be the least of his worries.[/QUOTE]He is in Subic. He doesn't know where girl is from but suspects she is a local. He already is in Angeles hoping to hide amongst the larger population. I told him not to risk it and get further away or come home ASAP. He met this girl at a bar in Subic. Prob a FL. Since leaving Subic he has no contact with her. He registered at Angeles hotel under a false name and is keeping a low profile. He has calmed down abit. He is thinking about going back to manila to hide more. I have seen the replies from many posters and they mostly say come home. What chance is there of "them" hunting him down now that he has moved to Angeles or even manila? I know the safest option is to tell him come home but seems like a drastic move when (I'm not sure about this) I would think this thing happens quite regularly over there? One poster said never go back. Is that because you think he's an idiot or because in the future there might be further repercussions? Thanks from him and me for your counsel.

If I were in that position, I would indeed leave / flee the country immediately and never go back. Even if the odds are one in a thousand, it's not worth it. There are plenty of other countries.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1920744]He is in Subic. He doesn't know where girl is from but suspects she is a local. He already is in Angeles hoping to hide amongst the larger population. I told him not to risk it and get further away or come home ASAP. He met this girl at a bar in Subic. Prob a FL. Since leaving Subic he has no contact with her. He registered at Angeles hotel under a false name and is keeping a low profile. He has calmed down abit. He is thinking about going back to manila to hide more. I have seen the replies from many posters and they mostly say come home. What chance is there of "them" hunting him down now that he has moved to Angeles or even manila? I know the safest option is to tell him come home but seems like a drastic move when (I'm not sure about this) I would think this thing happens quite regularly over there? One poster said never go back. Is that because you think he's an idiot or because in the future there might be further repercussions? Thanks from him and me for your counsel.[/QUOTE]I would never admit to being in a similar position so I won't say that I am speaking from experience. That being said, I think that the worse is over for this guy. If he did not get the feeling that girl was angry with him then that is all the more reassuring. He is in Angeles under an alias with a thousand other guys and hundreds of hotels. Whoever might be interested in tracking him would have unsurpassed ambition. I am cynical here but I don't think that any law enforcement would focus on this unless they saw an easy way to shake him down for money. He will sweat it when he goes through immigration on departure but I think he will be OK.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1920757]I would never admit to being in a similar position so I won't say that I am speaking from experience. That being said, I think that the worse is over for this guy. If he did not get the feeling that girl was angry with him then that is all the more reassuring. He is in Angeles under an alias with a thousand other guys and hundreds of hotels. Whoever might be interested in tracking him would have unsurpassed ambition. I am cynical here but I don't think that any law enforcement would focus on this unless they saw an easy way to shake him down for money. He will sweat it when he goes through immigration on departure but I think he will be OK.[/QUOTE]I am speaking out from a worst case scenario of course because I have from a few years learned not to trust anyone ex my mom, hehe. If the girl is skilled or she tells someone more skilled than her she can easy get ideas for a bigger pay down. If he lived under his real name in Subic tracking him down and put out a hold of departure (flagged down in immigration) towards him is easy. Girl need only to report him. It doesn't matter if stays in AC, Cebu or Manila as the computer system will stop him when departure so authorities can just wait and not actively search for him. That is basically why some of us advocated the quick departure out of the country so, again as in a worst case scenario, computer systems wouldn't be updated. I enjoy the Phils very much and I operate pretty much under the radar in most cases being a nice bloke and everything and hopefully I don't raise anyone's eyebrows. If I knew I did something wrong (volunteer or not, doesn't matter in Phils, you have no rights here) I would just do a "run Forest, run". But no one can help him now if he still is in Phils and things starts to downhill.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1920744]He is in Subic. He doesn't know where girl is from but suspects she is a local. He already is in Angeles hoping to hide amongst the larger population. I told him not to risk it and get further away or come home ASAP. He met this girl at a bar in Subic. Prob a FL. Since leaving Subic he has no contact with her. He registered at Angeles hotel under a false name and is keeping a low profile. He has calmed down abit. He is thinking about going back to manila to hide more. I have seen the replies from many posters and they mostly say come home. What chance is there of "them" hunting him down now that he has moved to Angeles or even manila? I know the safest option is to tell him come home but seems like a drastic move when (I'm not sure about this) I would think this thing happens quite regularly over there? One poster said never go back. Is that because you think he's an idiot or because in the future there might be further repercussions? Thanks from him and me for your counsel.[/QUOTE]No need to sweat it or hide anymore. He can deny that anything happened other than she was in or near his room. At this point he is out of there and they would have to find him. Highly unlikely they (who ever is they) find him. Hope he is smart enough if he had a Philippines cell sim that he would change it by now.

I would actually be hiding between those sweet AC Pinays legs all day long. Enjoy his time and double up on the bar girls. Just make sure the BG looks over 20 yo and their ID proves it.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1920775]No need to sweat it or hide anymore. He can deny that anything happened other than she was in or near his room. At this point he is out of there and they would have to find him. [/QUOTE]The worst seems to be over. Hiding in AC or Manila is all the same. Between the legs of pinays is an even better suggestion!! Getting out of the country is still the best suggestion IMHO. Nothing is more valuable than your life and freedom.

That said, if you ain't caught with your pants down you can safely deny you ever took 'them off. Your word against a local might still be a tough one, but its better than being caught in the room with the girl. Still a few questions -.

1. In Subic did he register with his real name and passport? That could leave a trail.

2. Did the girl register at the hotel reception with her ID? I am thinking she did not, else the age issue would have been discovered.

3. Did the hotel in Subic have CCTV cameras? I would worry less about that if its more than a few days old. There needs to be serious motivation to pursue that route. If if is not going to be easy money, then probably the local barangay police will not pursue it. Still no way of saying if there is an APB out on the guy.

I hope all newbies read this chain of posts and take some concrete steps to ensure their personal safety when they visit Philippines to partake in our hobby.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1920791]The worst seems to be over. Hiding in AC or Manila is all the same. Between the legs of pinays is an even better suggestion!! Getting out of the country is still the best suggestion IMHO. Nothing is more valuable than your life and freedom.

That said, if you ain't caught with your pants down you can safely deny you ever took 'them off. Your word against a local might still be a tough one, but its better than being caught in the room with the girl. Still a few questions -.

1. In Subic did he register with his real name and passport? That could leave a trail.

2. Did the girl register at the hotel reception with her ID? I am thinking she did not, else the age issue would have been discovered.

3. Did the hotel in Subic have CCTV cameras? I would worry less about that if its more than a few days old. There needs to be serious motivation to pursue that route. If if is not going to be easy money, then probably the local barangay police will not pursue it. Still no way of saying if there is an APB out on the guy.

I hope all newbies read this chain of posts and take some concrete steps to ensure their personal safety when they visit Philippines to partake in our hobby.[/QUOTE]It would appear things have settled down a lot. He hasn't had any contact since leaving a day ago. He is keeping low and hoping that nothing happens at immigration in a week and a half time.

Just a question. If you can obtain counterfeit ID cards in the Philippines or if sisters swap ID cards etc how can you be sure that this age thing doesn't happen again. If you use the adage "if she looks too young she probably is" then that will work but is there a way of telling genuine ID from fake?

Or is hotel security a good way of vetting deceivers??

What do you do? Appreciate your wisdom.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1920744]I know the safest option is to tell him come home but seems like a drastic move when (I'm not sure about this) I would think this thing happens quite regularly over there? One poster said never go back. Is that because you think he's an idiot or because in the future there might be further repercussions? Thanks from him and me for your counsel.[/QUOTE]Take it from me.

There are a dozen groups who will take up her case, however silly it may be.

And in Philippines legal system, a dozen parties can file cases on behalf of one victim.

And, if you live in certain parts of Luzon, the local tabloids actually have lawyers offering free service for women abused by natives and foreigners.

If it was me, I would fly to any nearby country and watch, than being presented in TV as suspect caught and a few death threats issued.

Nope, the locals don't apologize or pay compensation if the case turned out to be a scam. And you can't go back to clear your name and get your name off the immigration black list even if the case was dismissed.

Clearing your name is another separate costly process in Philippines.

P.S, having met a girl in a pick up bar is no excuse for dishonoring decent and homely Filipina as pros (pun intended.) enough foreigners found that the hard way. M.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1920929]It would appear things have settled down a lot. He hasn't had any contact since leaving a day ago. He is keeping low and hoping that nothing happens at immigration in a week and a half time.

Just a question. If you can obtain counterfeit ID cards in the Philippines or if sisters swap ID cards etc how can you be sure that this age thing doesn't happen again. If you use the adage "if she looks too young she probably is" then that will work but is there a way of telling genuine ID from fake?

Or is hotel security a good way of vetting deceivers??

What do you do? Appreciate your wisdom.[/QUOTE]I agree with you thanking the seniors as would done that any given days myself. I can ensure you though I have experience (sadly) from the matter discussed here so in this case don't just look at the numbers of post. It was nothing to do with drugs or minors but still a girl complained about something. If its quite and no more contact it doesn't mean shit. I didn't hear anything before police showed up at my hotel. IE I wasn't really aware of I was in deep shit so because of that I didn't flee and felt safe. [blue][Non-English text deleted by Admin][/blue] Know in my case it was just for the girl verifying to police I stayed at this certain hotel. Then police just go there, obtain his personal, most likely, passport info. Then they can easily put out a penal and a hold of departure warrant for him at immigration. Some seniors talk like it would matter what you will say to police (after immigration hands him to the NBI). You can deny whatever you like but the local word, especially from a girl pushed forward by the help of IJM / NGO good doers, counts four five times more than ours. And before anyone gives a shit listening to his side of the story it can be weeks, months even years before e are moved forward. Don't take it for granted he can pay his way out of it anymore as the new ruler of Phils also have directed some efforts to get rid of corruption as well. He better needs a lawyer by then. I don't say this just because you didn't give a shit me not being senior member and I need to be right. I can trust you I have more experience than some of the seniors (some also learned the hard way). No need to listen to experience as your friend obviously didn't.

Then I take the ID as a not senior member as well. I trust only passports and SSS ID's. Others than that the gut feel will go a long way. If he knows the hotel staff and its a Hi so hotel I trust them more evaluating a girls ID than a lo so one. But a student ID or swap between girls I have tested for fun even at my Hi so hide out and it didn't raise any alerts. She did have a fake one ID in first place and even swapped it with her sister. So you do the math what to trust. Passports and Sss ID is the answer in my case. Because faking those two will cost heaps of moneys in today's fashion and simply only top of the notch criminals would have the resources to do so not the average pinay we know. It will leave someone out but still a big pond to fish from.

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It doesn't matter if your friend had sex with her or not. Just being in a room with a girl not 18, without her parents, is a crime in the Philippines. Same punishment.

Hotel registration is not an effective way to screen out minors. Fake IDs can fool them too. Also, a lot of guards just go through the motions.

If she had not blackmailed your friend before he left, then she probably won't report him. She has nothing to gain from it, and it may end up hurting her job prospects. As others have suggested, he should change SIM cards. Block her from all social accounts. If she can't communicate, she can't blackmail.

She can still track him down via the Subic hotel, assuming the standard practice of the hotel making a photocopy of his passport. But unless she was angry at him and vindictive, I just don't see her making the effort. Most girls doing this for a living are inherently lazy. I know I'm going to get flamed for that.

If she does track him down, he needs to pay up.

Despite what I wrote, he may have a surprise awaiting for him as he clears immigration. Personally, I would be sweating it.

I hope this is a lesson to forum readers to be careful with whom you go. Think of the long term consequences of your actions. It doesn't end with being jailed in a third world country. If you are ever released, you will not have a job to go back to. Your local paper would probably have broken the story. You will not have friends to return to and your neighbors will shun you. Who will pay the rent or mortgage? You will not have any income. Any beloved pets will pass away before you see them again. You may have to register as a sex offender. What will your family (Mom, Dad, siblings) think? Or worse, your children? Your life as you knew it is pretty much over.

Is the encounter worth the risk?

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1921022]
Is the encounter worth the risk?[/QUOTE]Sobering thoughts SP.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1920398]You didn't say which east coast city you are flying out from. Nor your age, food preferences, hobbies and whether you are an active person or more laid beck.

United Airlines have some pretty decent prices out of New Jersey and the Houston hub. I didn't check other cities.

Hotel prices are way down. I use [URL]tripadvisor.com[/URL] for comparison rates. Many decent hotels with pools in the $60 range..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. And for everyone's help. I'm getting a membership today.

I'll be flying out of Raleigh-Durham in NC, I'm 29, very laid back. I could shorten the trip to assist with the increase in the budget, maybe 8 night there? I enjoy any kind of food really. I was stationed in Korea and enjoyed the Filipino food I tried.

Are there any hotels to avoid? Or are most OK with you bringing girls back?

Thanks again everyone! I need this trip.

Well a lot more than the casual visitor. NAIA has been a topic discussed before and this article seems to suggest things can only get better (well they can't get much worse!

But the proof of the pudding is in the eating and maybe the new administration would have a more enlightened approach to the airport than the previous one.

[URL]http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/2016/08/17/hope-abounds-for-manilas-main-airport/[/URL]

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1923886]Well a lot more than the casual visitor. NAIA has been a topic discussed before and this article seems to suggest things can only get better (well they can't get much worse!

But the proof of the pudding is in the eating and maybe the new administration would have a more enlightened approach to the airport than the previous one.

[URL]http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/2016/08/17/hope-abounds-for-manilas-main-airport/[/URL][/QUOTE]As usual, NAIA executives--with little vision and a total lack of longer-term planning--focus on immediate solutions with little to no view of long term amelioration. The simple fact is that the capacity of the current airport cannot be expandED significantly. Another, equally salient fact is that ground equipment hasn't been upgraded in decades and there are no plans to do so. Lacking high speed rail, which there are no plans to build, Clark is not a viable alternative. The only viable longer-term solution is a massive upgrading of the entire air transportation system, and there's nothing I've read indicating that this is a possibility. It's amazing that neighboring Thailand managed to construct a world class new airport in 5 or 6 years while this place has been "studying" the problem for ten years or more. San Miguel Corporation presented a viable solution 3-4 years ago; a solution that would have cost the government nothing. Had that proposal been accepted a new airport would have been nearing completion.

On Tuesday, it took me more than 7 hours, portal to portal, to travel between Davao and Makati, largely because the infrastructure of this place is similar to that of some of the poorer African countries. I've seen nothing to indicate that any sustained vision to change things is going to happen any time soon.

GE.

Today when terrorists surround us, as in a here and there sit, we can all sit down and think how Phil would cope with this threat. My latest 3 deep I have from reasons unknown to man forgot my bottle water in my carry on, no never I've been stopped? Naia T3.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1923929]As usual, NAIA executives--with little vision and a total lack of longer-term planning--focus on immediate solutions with little to no view of long term amelioration. The simple fact is that the capacity of the current airport cannot be expandED significantly. Another, equally salient fact is that ground equipment hasn't been upgraded in decades and there are no plans to do so. Lacking high speed rail, which there are no plans to build, Clark is not a viable alternative. The only viable longer-term solution is a massive upgrading of the entire air transportation system, and there's nothing I've read indicating that this is a possibility. It's amazing that neighboring Thailand managed to construct a world class new airport in 5 or 6 years while this place has been "studying" the problem for ten years or more. San Miguel Corporation presented a viable solution 3-4 years ago; a solution that would have cost the government nothing. Had that proposal been accepted a new airport would have been nearing completion.

On Tuesday, it took me more than 7 hours, portal to portal, to travel between Davao and Makati, largely because the infrastructure of this place is similar to that of some of the poorer African countries. I've seen nothing to indicate that any sustained vision to change things is going to happen any time soon.

GE.[/QUOTE]And again due to lack of infrastructure (to be see in at least the late 1990 ies) it would be sane to know how many billion pisos phils miss every day due to delayed cargo / mail / people? No one has the right answer but I am up to my neck of it and told every aviation connection I have to meet in neighboring countries (aka more developed). This is not an attack on the common phl man / girl (high light girls). But a big kick in the arse to the Hi so rulers of this -airport / craft lack of handling skills. Would be quite easy to view across te sea to a few neighbors and their airport facilities (which would be highlighted amongst the world leading).

7 hours delays can of course happen all over the world but I get a grip of it happens certain places more than others. The phil way to handle trouble is to repair when broken (aka ground radar system at Naia running on a 13 yo infrastructure where its starts to get hard to replace and buy new parts), instead of maintain constantly (no hick ups). Hard to get attractive slots at Naia so if you plan starting up a new business idea you better plan arr / dep in wee hours where airspace and ground operations are at a minimum.

[QUOTE=Vitaplex;1923932]Today when terrorists surround us, as in a here and there sit, we can all sit down and think how Phil would cope with this threat. My latest 3 deep I have from reasons unknown to man forgot my bottle water in my carry on, no never I've been stopped? Naia T3.[/QUOTE]In T2, after the last security check, unless you are flying to US, you can assemble a lot of possible dangerous stuff from duty free and the food stalls.

Waiting for a flight and I check flight status online. Clearly shows it will be late 4 hours. I ask at the gate and they say they don't have any information other than every 30 minutes they announce the plane has not arrived. I then ask the gate people where is the plane coming from and they tell me where and I get the flight number. I check that planes flight status and see it won't be departing to Manila for 2 1/2 hours.

Many passengers huddled in the overcrowded, overheated gate for 4 different flights thinking their plane will be arriving in less than 30 minutes!

Du30 should add the executives at the airport and airlines to his priority hit list.

I bet it would be all resolved in 30 days.

This is just the way CP operates without concern for its passengers.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1924392]This is just the way CP operates without concern for its passengers.[/QUOTE]It's such a bizarre airline. I've had flights that were perfect. On time, great service etc. And then others, like yours, that were a total nightmare. It's not just that they screw up, but they're completely uncommunicative about it.

And more and more, after the last 3 hour taxi wait, I've decided to avoid Terminal 3 altogether. Fly PAL, use Clark (they still have a few flights to KL and Singapore), whatever. Just anything but T3.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1924392]Waiting for a flight and I check flight status online. Clearly shows it will be late 4 hours. I ask at the gate and they say they don't have any information other than every 30 minutes they announce the plane has not arrived. I then ask the gate people where is the plane coming from and they tell me where and I get the flight number. I check that planes flight status and see it won't be departing to Manila for 2 1/2 hours.

Many passengers huddled in the overcrowded, overheated gate for 4 different flights thinking their plane will be arriving in less than 30 minutes!

Du30 should add the executives at the airport and airlines to his priority hit list.

I bet it would be all resolved in 30 days.

This is just the way CP operates without concern for its passengers.[/QUOTE]They are an LCC, operate with thin margin and high resource utilization.

And getting the president involved in a commercial enterprise?

Really? The solution is simple. Don't fly CP if you don't like them.

BTW PAL isn't doing better. All my flights left 30 minutes to 2 hour plus late, ex SIN, KUL and return.

[QUOTE=Betong;1924444]It's such a bizarre airline. I've had flights that were perfect. On time, great service etc. And then others, like yours, that were a total nightmare. It's not just that they screw up, but they're completely uncommunicative about it.

And more and more, after the last 3 hour taxi wait, I've decided to avoid Terminal 3 altogether. Fly PAL, use Clark (they still have a few flights to KL and Singapore), whatever. Just anything but T3.[/QUOTE]A lot of flight delays now happen due to congestion as well, take off and departing.

Like once I had a 2 hour delay leaving Batanes because pilot announced Naia is having one hour plus landing delay, so we can't take off until NAIA is less crowded. Fair, unless you expect to orbit and divert.

And few times the plane couldn't dock in T2 due to lack of gates. Longest was 1 hour wait in the apron.

Welcome to Philippines!

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1924671]They are an LCC, operate with thin margin and high resource utilization.

And getting the president involved in a commercial enterprise?

Really? The solution is simple. Don't fly CP if you don't like them.

BTW PAL isn't doing better. All my flights left 30 minutes to 2 hour plus late, ex SIN, KUL and return.

A lot of flight delays now happen due to congestion as well, take off and departing.

Like once I had a 2 hour delay leaving Batanes because pilot announced Naia is having one hour plus landing delay, so we can't take off until NAIA is less crowded. Fair, unless you expect to orbit and divert.

And few times the plane couldn't dock in T2 due to lack of gates. Longest was 1 hour wait in the apron.

Welcome to Philippines![/QUOTE]Both PAL and CP are bad airlines. CP is the best amongst them despite PAL pretend to be a legacy carrier like Singapore, Thai, ANA, JAL etc etc. In my view they fail. I choose CP any given day given the chance to choose. Ex from PALs relatively new fleet of B777, CP have a newer more modern fleet. They use T3 which is best for me as I allways go to Makati. My CP flights have been relatively on time. If they just could skip the annoying competition onboard. Fun airline, hehe.

Delays and congested air traffic (ground and air) are really not the airlines fault. Lack of solid info goes for both airlines. Its almost like listening to a girl, lies lies.

I think some of these discussions are conflating two problems that are largely unrelated. One is the inept manage, est of Cebu Pacific and its poor record of customer service. This has little or nothing to do with the obvious inadequacies of the country'S woeful air transport system. The CP management issue is clearly internal and has little or nothing to do with politics or government. The crumbling, archaic air transport infrastructure is exclusively within the purview of government.

From my perspective, the general management of PAL--while admittedly falling short of acceptable international standards--is orders of magnitude better than Cebu Pacific, which is why I fly PAL exclusively on the Davao-Manila route. If I must suffer the frequent flight delays. I'd rather do so from the relative comfort of the Mabuhay Lounge, receiving accurate and frequent flight updates, than in the squalid, teeming atmosphere of Terminal 3, receiving little or no information.

GE.

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1924671]A lot of flight delays now happen due to congestion as well, take off and departing.[/QUOTE]I understand about congestion, and of course it's getting worse all over the region. I don't blame CP for that, just for their flakey attitude toward customer service. PAL ain't great, but it's a whole lot better.

The bigger problem for me lately has been airport infrastructure. It's ironic that we all used to complain about the dreadful Terminal 1 but it wasn't all that hard to get there, or to get away from there, by taxi. The traffic at Terminal 3 now at peak hours can be totally jammed up, to the point where it can take you longer to get a taxi than your flight took from HK or KL. We're assured that the construction there will end someday but how many years has it been already? I've learned the hard way just to walk out, jump over the fence, and catch a jeepney going toward Villamor. One more reason to travel light when you're in the Philippines.

With respect GE, you are comparing honeydew melons with watermelons. PAL aspires to be a 5 star airline (stop sniggering at the back) so one would expect customer service to be at least on a par with local standards. CP operates on a low-cost model, so anything that can be outsourced, such as customer service and ground handling, will be. A better comparative would be Ryanair in Europe, Spirit in US, Jetstar in Australia or AirAsia in much of SE Asia.

On my visits, T1 at NAIA is not a deal-breaker, but a major plus. My usual flight from Kuala Lumpur arrives at 1405,when T1 is virtually empty, and my best time is 25 minutes from arriving at the gate to getting into a cab. Post-renovation, T1 is vastly improved, but to my mind sums up the Philippine mentality with regard to planning and execution of any major project (I'm not talking about drug dealers). There is NO departure information except PA announcements once past the check-in area. On my last trip, I went to the advertised gate about 30 minutes before closing to find that it was still occupied by passengers for the previous Malaysian flight to KL. This was announced by staff shouting up the stairs which were the width of a moving staircase, which, being used by both the charge of the late brigade for the delayed flight and intending passengers for the scheduled flight, created even more havoc. There was no notice posted at the entrance to the gate. There is now an advertised smoking room at the rear of one of the shops overlooking the tarmac. Entrance is through the shop and guess what, you need to make a purchase to use the room. ! The old smoking room upstairs still exists, alongside the café/ resto. Still partitioned off by what seems to be recycled plywood with the wooden framework exposed. I must be unlucky as my lighter is usually confiscated at security, but at least 50% of the passengers in the smoking room are always happy to offer me a light. In fact, one fellow Brit gave me his spare lighter. Go figure.

WR's referenced article does offer hope, if not optimism. How long will it take for MIAA to go through the tender process for the turnoffs (3000 php in LA café) and be reviewed by DPWH and the funds disgorged and construction completed? Installing an ILS on runway 13/31 sounds good, but is it? It will shift takeoffs to the main runway and probably reduce movements on it to allow a safety margin for long landings on 13/31. Has anybody seen a landing on 13/31 recently? But to my mind the biggest problem is the distance between the apron for T4 and the centreline of the runway. I know ICAO has a minimum separation between runways to allow simultaneous operation, so I can't imagine it is much less for a runway and 'solid' buildings. I doubt the separation is sufficient.

Rambling over.

Having said all I have to say about the airport and airline situation, I thought some readers might be interested in an article appearing today on the GMA website regarding the President's reactions to growing international criticisms about extra judicial killings of alleged drug dealers: [URL]http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/578393/news/nation/duterte-threatens-to-have-phl-leave-inutile-united-nations?utm_source=GMANews&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=GMANewsFacebook[/URL].

GE.

[QUOTE=ShiningWit;1925039]WR's referenced article does offer hope, if not optimism. How long will it take for MIAA to go through the tender process for the turnoffs (3000 php in LA caf) and be reviewed by DPWH and the funds disgorged and construction completed? Installing an ILS on runway 13/31 sounds good, but is it? It will shift takeoffs to the main runway and probably reduce movements on it to allow a safety margin for long landings on 13/31. Has anybody seen a landing on 13/31 recently? But to my mind the biggest problem is the distance between the apron for T4 and the centreline of the runway. I know ICAO has a minimum separation between runways to allow simultaneous operation, so I can't imagine it is much less for a runway and 'solid' buildings. I doubt the separation is sufficient.

Rambling over.[/QUOTE]They need a new airport.

And 13/31 is 4000 feet shorter than 6/24.

And, take offs and landing happen in 13/31 for smaller planes, 320 and smaller size, though I don't know why they let Do 328, Bae Av jets and PC 21's land on 6/24 during high visibility day times.

There is severe resistance to expanding NAIA, as the landlords around expect a massive pay off and screw the public is the Philippine rich mentality. Like the gated communities not allowing even emergency vehicles to pass through.

However DU30 is anti oligarch so he should make things happen, including moving NAIA out.

He has already pushed for Clark improvement, unlike Aquino who's benefactors don't want change.

[QUOTE=Vitaplex;1924788]Both PAL and CP are bad airlines. CP is the best amongst them despite PAL pretend to be a legacy carrier like Singapore, Thai, ANA, JAL etc etc. In my view they fail. I choose CP any given day given the chance to choose. Ex from PALs relatively new fleet of B777, CP have a newer more modern fleet.
[/QUOTE]I don't think I can compare a 400. Seat 330. With a 270 seat 330. New or not doesn't matter for me.

Any Learned Gentleman can shed light in this?

I've only heard the term "walk" only in the Phillipines.

And the word PSP.

Anyways found a bunch of them from a local Manila site and there's and wealth of good info from there.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1924820]<SNIP>
If I must suffer the frequent flight delays. I'd rather do so from the relative comfort of the Mabuhay Lounge, receiving accurate and frequent flight updates, than in the squalid, teeming atmosphere of Terminal 3, receiving little or no information .[/QUOTE]Just to offer a fresh perspective on NAIA (Terminal 1 anyway), that kindles hope for a better future.

I have been using NAIA T1 for my last 3 trips out of the country and I must say the terminal is 1000% better than it was. Plenty more space; lots of friendly guides to assist you; sparkling clean toilets and as a Priority Pass member I have a choice of lounges to rest and wait.

I didn't need to make use of a lounge on Saturday evening because there was no delay. I departed from Terminal 1 on Korean Air on Saturday evening and the flight left bang on time. The irony is that there was a 70 minute delay beyond the advertised departure time at Incheon for my connecting flight onwards. The reason? Air traffic congestion!! At Incheon, one of the top 5 world airports?

I guess guys reading this are lucky to be able to afford to use airports. Plenty of pinoys can only dream of getting on a plane, whether delayed or not.

Left NAIA 2 months ago to Singapore, flight out delayed by NAIA by one hour. Return flight delayed 45 minutes due to NAIA. If making offshore connections, best factor in a least one hour extra for NAIA delays. Otherwise things have improved significantly from the bullet scam days.

[QUOTE=ClearWater;1925144]Any Learned Gentleman can shed light in this?

I've only heard the term "walk" only in the Phillipines.

And the word PSP.

Anyways found a bunch of them from a local Manila site and there's and wealth of good info from there.[/QUOTE]Walk is a meeting with the intent to fuck a PSP. GVGV is also used for walk. Both walk and GVGV may also mean fuck. PSP is professional sex provider / paid sex provider.

Other codewords are fruitti, meaning male orgasm, aka pops. Unli is unlimited; if a PSP states something like "3 hours unli" you may fuck her as many times as possible within the time period. BTW, unli is uncommon, and I've seen it offered only by the bottom-tier PSPs, aka the happy burger meals (HBMs). Candy is the payment; coffee is also used. Candy and coffee can also be used to mean male orgasm. Live means unprotected sex; most PSPs state live is a don't. CD is condom. Torrid kissing is deep Frenching; most PSPs will list the types of permissible kissing, and smack is a light, brief kiss. OWO is oral without (a condom), and BBBJ is more commonly used. PSE is porn star experience. A suretaker is a reliable customer, one who arranges a meeting and shows up. PSPs will also list permissible positions, and WOT is cowgirl. SEB is sex eyeball, i.e. meet up where you see each other first, determine visual appeal, and have then sex.

If you come across FRs you'll see L / A / S, which is looks, attitude, and service. Score 1-10.

Protocol differs from bargirls in a key way: pay first. Girl usually has a set geoloco area that she'll visit. Some girls want to meet in public place like Jollybee and then go a a hot-sheet hotel like Sogo

You can use a combination of words such as "walk", "candy", "PSP" and city name, such as "Manila" to search Facebook to dig up PSPs. The pages pop up, are active for a while, and then go dormant.

Been thru Manila airport three times in the last three weeks and have to agree that improvements seem to have been made. Taxi issues seem to have been sorted out somewhat.

Sidenote. Checking in for my sad departure via PA, I was informed that the flight was overbooked and it might take a bit of time to print the boarding pass. Keeping a poker face I realized that I was a bit late for the recommended two hour check in and I was a single flyer and I had to go to work the next day. Ouch. Surely her nonchalant way of informing me of overbooking bodes well. Hope so.

"Sir, I've upgraded you to business class".

Biz class food was very nice. Dessert was Carman ice cream. Great stuff.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1925176]Just to offer a fresh perspective on NAIA (Terminal 1 anyway), that kindles hope for a better future.

I have been using NAIA T1 for my last 3 trips out of the country and I must say the terminal is 1000% better than it was. Plenty more space; lots of friendly guides to assist you; sparkling clean toilets and as a Priority Pass member I have a choice of lounges to rest and wait.

I didn't need to make use of a lounge on Saturday evening because there was no delay. I departed from Terminal 1 on Korean Air on Saturday evening and the flight left bang on time. The irony is that there was a 70 minute delay beyond the advertised departure time at Incheon for my connecting flight onwards. The reason? Air traffic congestion!! At Incheon, one of the top 5 world airports?

I guess guys reading this are lucky to be able to afford to use airports. Plenty of pinoys can only dream of getting on a plane, whether delayed or not.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1925718]Been thru Manila airport three times in the last three weeks and have to agree that improvements seem to have been made. Taxi issues seem to have been sorted out f.[/QUOTE]Which terminal (s)?

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1925621]Walk is a meeting with the intent to fuck a PSP. GVGV is also used for walk. Both walk and GVGV may also mean fuck. PSP is professional sex provider / paid sex provider.

Other codewords are fruitti, meaning male orgasm, aka pops. Unli is unlimited; if a PSP states something like "3 hours unli" you may fuck her as many times as possible within the time period. BTW, unli is uncommon, and I've seen it offered only by the bottom-tier PSPs, aka the happy burger meals (HBMs). Candy is the payment; coffee is also used. Candy and coffee can also be used to mean male orgasm. Live means unprotected sex; most PSPs state live is a don't. CD is condom. Torrid kissing is deep Frenching; most PSPs will list the types of permissible kissing, and smack is a light, brief kiss. OWO is oral without (a condom), and BBBJ is more commonly used. PSE is porn star experience. A suretaker is a reliable customer, one who arranges a meeting and shows up. PSPs will also list permissible positions, and WOT is cowgirl. SEB is sex eyeball, i.e. meet up where you see each other first, determine visual appeal, and have then sex.

If you come across FRs you'll see L / A / S, which is looks, attitude, and service. Score 1-10.

Protocol differs from bargirls in a key way: pay first. Girl usually has a set geoloco area that she'll visit. Some girls want to meet in public place like Jollybee and then go a a hot-sheet hotel like Sogo

You can use a combination of words such as "walk", "candy", "PSP" and city name, such as "Manila" to search Facebook to dig up PSPs. The pages pop up, are active for a while, and then go dormant.[/QUOTE]Thank you, Mr Hutsori, for a clear, thorough local glossary.

I ran across this video from a girl who gives a perspective of what pinays think of foreigners (all countries) from the perspective of the pinay. I won't give any spoilers, but there were a few surprises for me. Its about 15 minute long and worth the watch. She has many vids which I think are quite good, but this one is relatable to us punters.

What do Filipinas in Angeles city Fields avenue think when they see foreigners entering the bar.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7vrj0ZP1_o[/URL]

[QUOTE=Blackangst;1926113]I ran across this video from a girl who gives a perspective of what pinays think of foreigners (all countries) from the perspective of the pinay. I won't give any spoilers, but there were a few surprises for me. Its about 15 minute long and worth the watch. She has many vids which I think are quite good, but this one is relatable to us punters.

What do Filipinas in Angeles city Fields avenue think when they see foreigners entering the bar.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7vrj0ZP1_o[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for posting. I think she is pretty accurate in her descriptions of the various types of foreigners that visit AC.

It's important for a bar girl to know how to make money and so over time they become familiar w / the cultural traits of their visitors.

Avoid the stingy ones and enjoy the more fair minded generous types is the best approach to making money and enjoying their job.

In my life I've worked in the tourist industry and we knew when the doctors came into town they were stingy, OTOH, the bankers threw money all over the city.

Groups of people whether by ethnicity or occupation develop a reputation and it usually rings true. I know when I'm on the road I represent my country.

And I'm looking to make a good impression on the locals, my hosts. Then it becomes a win win. The video was well done by her w / some interesting comments about the Ks.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1925621]Walk is a meeting with the intent to fuck a PSP. GVGV is also used for walk. Both walk and GVGV may also mean fuck. PSP is professional sex provider / paid sex provider.

Other codewords are fruitti, meaning male orgasm, aka pops. Unli is unlimited; if a PSP states something like "3 hours unli" you may fuck her as many times as possible within the time period. BTW, unli is uncommon, and I've seen it offered only by the bottom-tier PSPs, aka the happy burger meals (HBMs). Candy is the payment; coffee is also used. Candy and coffee can also be used to mean male orgasm. Live means unprotected sex; most PSPs state live is a don't. CD is condom. Torrid kissing is deep Frenching; most PSPs will list the types of permissible kissing, and smack is a light, brief kiss. OWO is oral without (a condom), and BBBJ is more commonly used. PSE is porn star experience. A suretaker is a reliable customer, one who arranges a meeting and shows up. PSPs will also list permissible positions, and WOT is cowgirl. SEB is sex eyeball, i.e. meet up where you see each other first, determine visual appeal, and have then sex.

If you come across FRs you'll see L / A / S, which is looks, attitude, and service. Score 1-10.

Protocol differs from bargirls in a key way: pay first. Girl usually has a set geoloco area that she'll visit. Some girls want to meet in public place like Jollybee and then go a a hot-sheet hotel like Sogo

You can use a combination of words such as "walk", "candy", "PSP" and city name, such as "Manila" to search Facebook to dig up PSPs. The pages pop up, are active for a while, and then go dormant.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much.

Helpful to the point and informative.

We are all the wiser now!

Cheers buddy and excuse my ignorance because mate I just didn't know?

[QUOTE=ClearWater;1926690]Thank you so much.

Helpful to the point and informative.

We are all the wiser now!

Cheers buddy and excuse my ignorance because mate I just didn't know?[/QUOTE]This is a worthwhile read:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=Abbreviations[/URL]

[QUOTE=Blackangst;1926113]I ran across this video from a girl who gives a perspective of what pinays think of foreigners (all countries) from the perspective of the pinay. I won't give any spoilers, but there were a few surprises for me. Its about 15 minute long and worth the watch. She has many vids which I think are quite good, but this one is relatable to us punters.

What do Filipinas in Angeles city Fields avenue think when they see foreigners entering the bar.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7vrj0ZP1_o[/URL][/QUOTE]There are some really good videos on youtube made by bar girls on their views of foreigners, how they scam foreigners and so on. Do listen to them, they are extremely instructive and necessary for foreigners going into the bar scene. I like this one: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi5CXm381P4[/URL].

I'll be traveling around and want to guard my photos. I have Archive Storage where I can put files but after I put my photos / files in the encrypted Archive where do I put the Archive?

I don't want to take any chances w / a few nude photos traveling around unstable countries so I would like them off my mac book Pro when moving about.

I've been trying to find this info but am failing. An applecare guy said to put the Archive in the trash and than empty the trash and retrieve them at a later date but not sure how to retrieve.

And do not want to permanently lose valuable files.

Can anyone tell me hot this is done?

Thanks much!

[QUOTE=Socker;1931426]I'll be traveling around and want to guard my photos. I have Archive Storage where I can put files but after I put my photos / files in the encrypted Archive where do I put the Archive?

I don't want to take any chances w / a few nude photos traveling around unstable countries so I would like them off my mac book Pro when moving about.

I've been trying to find this info but am failing. An applecare guy said to put the Archive in the trash and than empty the trash and retrieve them at a later date but not sure how to retrieve.

And do not want to permanently lose valuable files.

Can anyone tell me hot this is done?

Thanks much![/QUOTE]

The Apple genius gave you poor advice because the photos still remain on your device. Though they're hidden, they can still be found by anyone who has physical control of your device, such as LE.

Just upload them to your safe email account (15GB w/ gmail, 100GB w/ yahoo, and I think 5GB w/ hotmail), e.g. open an email to compose, attach the files, and save. (If you're very concerned about privacy you'll want to avoid US-based email services, so check out Swiss-based protonmail, but the free account only has 500MB.) The email w/ the attachments will remain in your email account's drafts folder online. Then delete the photos from your mobile / notebook.

You can also use an online photo storage service, like imgur (unlimited photo storage!). Make sure to check the album's privacy. By default it's hidden but it's always prudent to verify. BTW, "hidden" does not mean inaccessible. Also, if you don't verify your email account with imgur you can't share photos to the gallery, which means these are better secured because you can't accidentally share a photo. You can use both methods to ensure a backup. Do NOT cache the password in your device to simplify logon because this means any person with your device can access your email account and/or imgur without being challenged for credentials. Once you verify then delete the photos from your device. Always clear your web browser's cache, too. Do not use dropbox or google drive as a copy must remain on your device. There are other cloud-based storage services such as Mega where you can upload your entire directory, but avoid those that provide synchronisation between the device and the online storage.

There are a few constraints:
1) slow or unreliable Internet will make this time consuming
2) if your data plan limits you to x GB then you may burn through it
3) email services often limit how large in MB the attachment(s) per email are, so you may have to upload photos to multiple email messages.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1931960]Do not use dropbox or google drive as a copy must remain on your device.[/QUOTE]I think this is only true if you choose to utilize the synchronization feature, which is optional. If you're manually uploading files, then they will be stored in the cloud and can be removed from your device without affecting the cloud storage.

[QUOTE=Socker;1931426]I'll be traveling around and want to guard my photos. I have Archive Storage where I can put files but after I put my photos / files in the encrypted Archive where do I put the Archive?

I don't want to take any chances w / a few nude photos traveling around unstable countries so I would like them off my mac book Pro when moving about.


Thanks much![/QUOTE]I always put my files in a micro SD card. Insert the micro SD inside the cell phone just beneath the battery. No one would notice a micro SD inside your cell phone. Not in the Philippines at least.

[QUOTE=Socker;1931426]I don't want to take any chances w / a few nude photos traveling around unstable countries so I would like them off my mac book Pro when moving about. [/QUOTE]1) Two words: Cloud Service. Pushing them from your phone to any service (on any device) usually saves a shadow copy (of thumbnails if nothing more) on the device. Deleting them from your phone (by using your phone's delete function) will not delete them (this simply reserves the room where they are stored for future storage possibility). Hooking the phone to a computer via USB cable and deleting them that way will also leave them on the phone I the same way. I've been using a cloud service (two, actually) for about 4 years now (each is in the $50/ year range). Get a cloud service and learn how to use it before you travel. Then learn how to sanitize your phone / laptop (see #2).

2) Get smart and make sure the photos you snap are saved on your SD card (and not on the camera). There is a reason for this. Once you want to get the pics off your phone, remove the SD card and hook it to your laptop via any cheap ($10) card reader device (it will show up as a drive once connected to your computer with a USB cable). From there, upload your pics to your cloud service online. Then, sanitize that card (which is different than deleting; deleting is not effective). Pop the sanitized SD card back into your phone or camera.

I go one step further. I encrypt the files (into a folder) that I want to send to the cloud, then I upload the encrypted folder. When I want to see the pics later, I download the folder from the cloud and decrypt it. Choose a cloud service that is not at the whim of the US / Brit / AUS / Canadian / NZ government. Clear enough?

3) Sanitizing: Use any of the free items on the internet (google it) that safely delete files. Glary's Utilities has such a function, and there's another called File Shredder (icon is a trash can). Once installed, you can select all of the pics at once (ctrl-A), then right click on them, and in the menu box is an option for securely deleting them all at once.

Wow, thanks to all for this info, I knew this was the best place for posing the question.

Right this minute my mind is twirling and the heart rate is up a bit due the long journey coming in a couple of hours.

I will have time on the plane and on the ground there (the PI) to figure out what I can handle.

The simpler the better. This is all really complex and I have so many loose ends (emails to friends w / pic or text) to delete.

I would have to delete my ph emails, my phone internet use, etc to make me look like a angel.

It goes against my nature to delete conversations on my phone but I have sent pics w / ems.

I think the SD card is something I can handle.

This is really intensive to do it properly. Wow, I'll do my best.

Great help, thanks much!

[QUOTE=Socker;1932172]
I would have to delete my ph emails, my phone internet use, etc to make me look like a angel.

It goes against my nature to delete conversations on my phone but I have sent pics w / ems.

I think the SD card is something I can handle.

[/QUOTE]You can move contacts and even texts to an SD card. The contacts can be done natively in the OS. Chat texts are a bit more tricky because there are many chat apps such as Line and Whatsapp as well as the native texting; google for app-specific info, and in some cases moving the texts may be done by use of free third-party apps such as Super Backup.

The emails should be kept on a secondary email account that's not linked to the mobile and the logon credentials not stored on the device. My baseline security is that I must always enter a username and password to access dating sites, email, chat apps, etc. Cacheing credentials simplifies logon for yourself. And for anyone else who has control of device. Whilst you're sleeping the girl is browsing your mobile after she shoulder surfed your PIN.

DIA I am done with you. In preparing for an upcoming trip to the Phils, I was working DIA for contacts. Then went to login today and my account is closed. Not the first time this is happened. Screw you DIA, Badoo and Tagged will do me just fine.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1932474]DIA I am done with you. In preparing for an upcoming trip to the Phils, I was working DIA for contacts. Then went to login today and my account is closed. Not the first time this is happened. Screw you DIA, Badoo and Tagged will do me just fine.[/QUOTE]They closed three of my accounts about two years ago, when I finally complained they confirmed it was because I'd used profanity in my messages to girls. I asked for the example and this is what I got back: "Damn your photos are so pretty. ".

OK Cupid does the job for me.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1932474]DIA I am done with you. In preparing for an upcoming trip to the Phils, I was working DIA for contacts. Then went to login today and my account is closed. Not the first time this is happened. Screw you DIA, Badoo and Tagged will do me just fine.[/QUOTE]Yeah it stands out as the worst dating site ever and how guys actually can obtain their profiles here over the years beats me. I was a member in DIA from many many years back, back when you could pretty much discuss everything, back when prices and how you would fuck the girl was fine and back when you could copy and paste msg you could send out through the DIA web. Backed off a few years and when I returned, a couple of years ago, it was a pain in the ass. I was aware of the changes being made so I backed off discussing anything which could be found abusive, I stopped copy / paste (u get warning after 3/4 msgs anyway), no sex talk. I simply just hit the ladies with a nice neutral msg and shortly after switched them over to Skype, whatsapp, viber etc etc. Still, from reasons unknown to man and all in a sudden, profile closed. I have tried resigning in with different numbers, e mails, pics etc but now I simply run out of gadgets, computers, phone numbers etc etc (I know about the IP addresses of course). Today its not the end of the world loosing out on DIA but as a fullhearted monger I like to fish from all ponds out there. So far the DIA pond is closed at least to me.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1932474]DIA I am done with you. In preparing for an upcoming trip to the Phils, I was working DIA for contacts. Then went to login today and my account is closed. Not the first time this is happened. Screw you DIA, Badoo and Tagged will do me just fine.[/QUOTE]Wechat works perfectly for me.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1932505]They closed three of my accounts about two years ago, when I finally complained they confirmed it was because I'd used profanity in my messages to girls. I asked for the example and this is what I got back: "Damn your photos are so pretty. ".

OK Cupid does the job for me.[/QUOTE]Any combination of profanity and user complaints. I haven't used DIA for 2 years, but there used to be an icon for complaining about another user. You are not notified when another user makes a complaint about you: simply reach the magic number of complaints, and your account is closed.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1932409]The emails should be kept on a secondary email account that's not linked to the mobile and the logon credentials not stored on the device. My baseline security is that I must always enter a username and password to access dating sites, email, chat apps, etc. Cacheing credentials simplifies logon for yourself. And for anyone else who has control of device. Whilst you're sleeping the girl is browsing your mobile after she shoulder surfed your PIN.[/QUOTE]Absolutely nuts, even at work on your work computer, to click the checkbox that says "Remember my username / password", thinking that only you will be using that computer. Have multiple real tales of that coming back to bite.

[QUOTE=Nolz7;1932526]Wechat works perfectly for me.[/QUOTE]I'll get wechat once I am in country and have a disposable phils sim. I assume there is some kind of registration that requires a text message. If I have any spare time that is, Badoo and Tagged are already filling up my contact lists.

I like to plan in advance and have a girl waiting for me when I get off the plane, but most of the girls are looking to score right now, not many think a few days in advance.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1932794]I'll get wechat once I am in country and have a disposable phils sim. I assume there is some kind of registration that requires a text message. If I have any spare time that is, Badoo and Tagged are already filling up my contact lists.

I like to plan in advance and have a girl waiting for me when I get off the plane, but most of the girls are looking to score right now, not many think a few days in advance.[/QUOTE]How is Badoo and Tagged compared to Tinder for you, if you have tried the latter? I'm new to this online matching up thing. Spent about 3 hours on Tinder for the first time last night idly swiping and ended up with 3 matches. One was a mistake, an easy thing to do with an app (Android) that hangs for a second frequently so you end up doing something you didn't intend to. I let that conversation die. Another offered "sexy massage" after the greetings so I asked whether she was looking for, um, educational fee assistance. She straight up said yes but then it turned a bit whiny, woe is me kind of thing. She wanted $100 but told her no way. But she looked good in the photos so maybe I'll rekindle that one if she agrees to half that price (2300 PHP roughly). I know you lot would get a lower price but I'd spend a lot more around here in bars, or on taxis+room+girl for FL168 or MBC, whereas this one would come straight to my room. Girl #3, also hot and in her early 20's, wanted to come to my room but denied wanting financial contributions for her studies. Am meeting her later (outside first) but the vibes I'm getting is that it won't be free either. What I don't want to happen is for her to come back to my AirBnB apartment, do the deed, demand $100 or something stupid, and then kick up a fuss if I refuse that much (again, I don't mind paying some but not that much).

Stay tuned. Though if no update in 24 hours may mean something didn't go right!

Also tried mingle2 but not getting any responses. Too chickenshit to upload a picture which is probably why, lest significant others find out somehow. Had to upload one for Tinder but at least that one you have to sign up to see anything.

[QUOTE=Simmer;1932802]How is Badoo and Tagged compared to Tinder for you, if you have tried the latter? I'm new to this online matching up thing. Spent about 3 hours on Tinder for the first time last night idly swiping and ended up with 3 matches. One was a mistake, an easy thing to do with an app (Android) that hangs for a second frequently so you end up doing something you didn't intend to. I let that conversation die. Another offered "sexy massage" after the greetings so I asked whether she was looking for, um, educational fee assistance. She straight up said yes but then it turned a bit whiny, woe is me kind of thing. She wanted $100 but told her no way. But she looked good in the photos so maybe I'll rekindle that one if she agrees to half that price (2300 PHP roughly). I know you lot would get a lower price but I'd spend a lot more around here in bars, or on taxis+room+girl for FL168 or MBC, whereas this one would come straight to my room. Girl #3, also hot and in her early 20's, wanted to come to my room but denied wanting financial contributions for her studies. Am meeting her later (outside first) but the vibes I'm getting is that it won't be free either. What I don't want to happen is for her to come back to my AirBnB apartment, do the deed, demand $100 or something stupid, and then kick up a fuss if I refuse that much (again, I don't mind paying some but not that much).

Stay tuned. Though if no update in 24 hours may mean something didn't go right!

Also tried mingle2 but not getting any responses. Too chickenshit to upload a picture which is probably why, lest significant others find out somehow. Had to upload one for Tinder but at least that one you have to sign up to see anything.[/QUOTE]Never tried Tinder. Badoo is a gold mine, although they have recently changed it so you cannot set your location manually. At least with the latest version I have not figured out how to do it yet. When travelling I would set my location to my next destination a few days in advance and let the contacts come to me. Much in the same way I make them come to my hotel, rather than me going to them. I'm not fighting 'trappic' in Manila or wherever in the world I am at the time.

Tagged I have written about before, it is a bit of a unknown quantity here, but I have had good luck on it. It allows you to browse girls by location, and to set your location manually. I am finding Phils girls very wary of punters not in the Phils already, so setting my location to my next city and filtering through the incoming messages works best for me.

You are mad to pay $100, most girls will accept 1500 pesos but you need to be prepared to negotiate and to walk away from the ones that don't accept. Offer a tip for good performance, that way you are not locked into a price for poor performance. I am pretty blunt when dealing with the girls, I don't have a lot of spare time when I am on the ground, so I need to sort the wheat from the chaff pretty quickly. I'm sure I have discarded a few gems, but they are everywhere in the Phils, just move on to the next one.

[QUOTE=Ceegee;1932806]Never tried Tinder. Badoo is a gold mine, although they have recently changed it so you cannot set your location manually.[/QUOTE]Thanks, will give Badoo a try. Location not so important (I think) as I'm here already.

Is there any action at all in Palawan?

[QUOTE=Redfield10;1936578]Is there any action at all in Palawan?[/QUOTE]In my experience many years ago, flies, mosquito's and a lousy nightlife scene.

Apparently great scuba diving etc. But army was (and is?) based there. Feel not that great. Foreigners have been kidnapped by Muslim guys, every few years. Is part of the search for the holy grail of whoring. I came up empty, scene might be totally different nowadays. Report by you mandatory in the correct thread, too, please.

With 15 Sep being the start of the Christmas season I just want to take the time to wish all of you a joyous and safe Christmas. Worryingly, there are only 100 shopping days remaining, but on the good side it's 100 terrific days of Christmas songs too. How festive! Please prepare your answers for the girls' question: "What is my Christmas present?

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1936667]With 15 Sep being the start of the Christmas season I just want to take the time to wish all of you a joyous and safe Christmas. Worryingly, there are only 100 shopping days remaining, but on the good side it's 100 terrific days of Christmas songs too. How festive! Please prepare your answers for the girls' question: "What is my Christmas present?[/QUOTE]Great post Huts.

Christmas started on September 1 in Ortigas Center, with Christmas carols blasting out in Robinson's Galleria.

It really is a long and painful period.

A few random lady boys. There is a disco on main drag that has some local young dudes and chicas hanging out there but estimate your chances as slim and none.

I befriended one lady boy at this small outdoor bar. She told me her German boyfriend had just arrived and was sleeping off jet lag in his hotel room. I asked her if she knew any available wild local girls and acted offended that I was looking for putas.

Nice place though if you import someone.

[QUOTE=Redfield10;1936578]Is there any action at all in Palawan?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Redfield10;1936578]Is there any action at all in Palawan?[/QUOTE]Essentially BYO but if you're young & gwapo you'll get laid anywhere. Flaunting wealth attracts putas. Where are you in this picture?

[QUOTE=BeachBoy46;1862703]Yes. I think the correct mathematical equation goes:- old man * thickness of wallet * '0's" in bank account / low libido = PERFECT HUSBAND. Marry me honey.[/QUOTE]Don't forget old man = shorter life span.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1936667]With 15 Sep being the start of the Christmas season I just want to take the time to wish all of you a joyous and safe Christmas. Worryingly, there are only 100 shopping days remaining, but on the good side it's 100 terrific days of Christmas songs too. How festive! Please prepare your answers for the girls' question: "What is my Christmas present?[/QUOTE]September 1st in SM Aura. I jokingly asked one of the department store assistants if it wasn't too early? "No sir, we need to be ready" was her deadpan and serious reply.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1936686]Great post Huts.

Christmas started on September 1 in Ortigas Center, with Christmas carols blasting out in Robinson's Galleria.

It really is a long and painful period.[/QUOTE]Lucky you to live near a place that jumps the gun - 15 extra days of Christmas for you! I enjoy my Christmas conversations with the gals who derive a sense of national pride from the Philippines being first to hang the ornaments and play the carols.

Sadly, it won't last long. Saudi Arabia intends to replace the Philippines as the world's earliest celebrant, starting their festivities in July. So, the Philippines will lose world's earliest Christmas season in 2017, but at least the Pinays will be allowed to resume competing in all the international beauty pageants next year.

Maligayang Pasko and Eid Milad Majid greetings to you all.

Next 3 options where beach for swimming / snokelling / lazing combine with nightlife.

Cebu is option but beach 30 minutes min away. Is this a viable option?

Where would you go? - next 3 options or above list is pretty exhaustive.

Regards.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1937477]Next 3 options where beach for swimming / snokelling / lazing combine with nightlife.

Cebu is option but beach 30 minutes min away. Is this a viable option?

Where would you go? - next 3 options or above list is pretty exhaustive.

Regards.[/QUOTE]Siargao Island. Take ferry from Surigao.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1937520]Siargao Island. Take ferry from Surigao.[/QUOTE]Will be heading here myself in a couple of week. There are also direct flights from Cebu to Siargao.

The benefit if going via Surigao is definitely the ability to find a girl to take to the island.

Happy travels.

Just got on Badoo in the last two weeks, first experience a rather good one, see my FR in the Singapore thread. DIA seems too hard and not workable without a paid account, don't have a personal Facebook page (might need to make a fake one) so haven't tried Tinder yet.

[QUOTE=Simmer;1932865]Thanks, will give Badoo a try. Location not so important (I think) as I'm here already.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NewImage;1937477]Next 3 options where beach for swimming / snokelling / lazing combine with nightlife
.[/QUOTE]What about Moalboal? I have only read about it. There are freelancers there.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1937780]What about Moalboal? I have only read about it. There are freelancers there.[/QUOTE]Yes. Some bars with FL.

[URL]https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/20/opera-vpn-browser-available-to-everyone/[/URL]

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1937786]Yes. Some bars with FL.[/QUOTE]Do you have any bar names?

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1939616][URL]https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/20/opera-vpn-browser-available-to-everyone/[/URL][/QUOTE]Opera was an independently developed browser that eventually folded & became a re-skinned Chrome.

The Company was bought out by a Chinese concern. The -: FREE!! :- VPN is neither secure nor private.

The Chinese company behind it harvests everything you do & sells it to spammers / cybercriminals & anyone else with money.

AVOID.

[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;1937712]Just got on Badoo in the last two weeks, first experience a rather good one, see my FR in the Singapore thread. DIA seems too hard and not workable without a paid account, don't have a personal Facebook page (might need to make a fake one) so haven't tried Tinder yet.[/QUOTE]DIA has paid accounts??

[QUOTE=Amavida;1939765]Opera was an independently developed browser that eventually folded & became a re-skinned Chrome.

The Company was bought out by a Chinese concern. The -: FREE!! :- VPN is neither secure nor private.

The Chinese company behind it harvests everything you do & sells it to spammers / cybercriminals & anyone else with money.

AVOID.[/QUOTE]Did you try it?

I've been there several times and taken a gal every time. I also went to the disco there with my lover. It's hard to evaluate the freelance opportunities, since I wasn't looking. I recommend you find someone to go with you from Cebu. The bus ride is more pleasant.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1937780]What about Moalboal? I have only read about it. There are freelancers there.[/QUOTE]

I don't even know where to start. Is it worth the trip to Philippines from BKK for a guy in his early 30's? Looking for a week to relax somewhere nice with a beach after 2 weeks of exploring. Would like a nice a safe town with something for everyone.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1937780]What about Moalboal? I have only read about it. There are freelancers there.[/QUOTE]I went a few years ago with a woman from Cebu. It was peaceful and I did see one spot with, I think, 3 freelancers. However your choices will be very limited. There's a much bigger pool in Cebu of women willing to take the short trip with you.

[QUOTE=JPF;1940514]I went a few years ago with a woman from Cebu. It was peaceful and I did see one spot with, I think, 3 freelancers. However your choices will be very limited. There's a much bigger pool in Cebu of women willing to take the short trip with you.[/QUOTE]It's been a while since I've been in Moalboal. I was there in June, during the off season. I was propositioned by a couple of transvestites one dark night, but did get a little freelancer action from the waitress at the bar I frequented, where I was the only customer. (I'm talking about Panagsama beach, not Moalboal town.).

I agree with others that this is best viewed as a getaway with a GF rather than a pickup destination.

How does Cebu compare to Manilla for airports, safety, hotels, things to do and girls?

Which is better for a first timer?

The spirits tell me to go to Cebu.

Are there any beach front hotels that are nice and safe? With transport to the mall?

Do hotels provide airport shuttles?

How do tourists avoid groups of child beggars?

[QUOTE=Sakaisuji;1940681]The spirits tell me to go to Cebu.

Are there any beach front hotels that are nice and safe? With transport to the mall?

Do hotels provide airport shuttles?

How do tourists avoid groups of child beggars?[/QUOTE]Mövenpick and Shangri la in Cebu Mactan has private beaches and at least Shangri is top notch quality. At Mövenpick the pizza stinks but have a Italian resto close by. Yes and no beggars there. Your welcome.

There is a Cebu forum. Do you have access to it? If so, you should move your questions to that location.

Also, if you tell us the length of stay, a rough budget, and what you want to do at the beach (swim, snorkel, dive) you'd probably get more specific info.

The nearest beach hotels are on Mactan island, but that would put you far from the best malls and nightlife. Some of them are very expensive.

If you have a longer trip I'd recommend you enjoy the city life of Cebu City and then consider a beach destination like Moalboal in South Cebu Island, Malapasqua Island in north Cebu Island, or Alona beach on Bohol.

The begging children usually appreciate food. X.

[QUOTE=Sakaisuji;1940681]The spirits tell me to go to Cebu.

Are there any beach front hotels that are nice and safe? With transport to the mall?

Do hotels provide airport shuttles?

How do tourists avoid groups of child beggars?[/QUOTE]

I can't get in that forum.

I suppose 4-5 days stay. Where should I start looking for quality hotels in the city? Just swim or snorkel.

What do you mean by your food comment?

[QUOTE=XMan;1940725]There is a Cebu forum. Do you have access to it? If so, you should move your questions to that location.

Also, if you tell us the length of stay, a rough budget, and what you want to do at the beach (swim, snorkel, dive) you'd probably get more specific info.

The nearest beach hotels are on Mactan island, but that would put you far from the best malls and nightlife. Some of them are very expensive.

If you have a longer trip I'd recommend you enjoy the city life of Cebu City and then consider a beach destination like Moalboal in South Cebu Island, Malapasqua Island in north Cebu Island, or Alona beach on Bohol.

The begging children usually appreciate food. X.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sakaisuji;1940765]I can't get in that forum.

I suppose 4-5 days stay. Where should I start looking for quality hotels in the city? Just swim or snorkel.

What do you mean by your food comment?[/QUOTE]You are insisting on writing on the wrong thread. Scroll down to where it says Cebu thread and click that.

Otherwise we will all ignore you. What a mess the forum would be if everyone behaved like you.

It has a lock on it. I can't get in it. What are you so upity about?

Do you feel very proud of your hobby?

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1941004]You are insisting on writing on the wrong thread. Scroll down to where it says Cebu thread and click that.

Otherwise we will all ignore you. What a mess the forum would be if everyone behaved like you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sakaisuji;1941140]It has a lock on it. I can't get in it. What are you so upity about?[/QUOTE]Try:

Click on the link (Link to Cebu Forum) next to the locked icon. A new webpage will open. On that page (you might have to scroll down a tad), it will look like this (italics below). Click on the link [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...ilippines-Cebu[/URL].

Also, if you are new to Cebu, please consider contacting the board regulars in PM if you have questions about girls, hotels, etc.

[I]Greetings everyone,
I have created a seperate forum for Cebu in which all Forum Members are welcome to participate.
The Cebu forum is located at...
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...ilippines-Cebu[/I]

I'm returning to Manila after about a 2.5 year break. I don't monger in Phills, my visit is to my "other" family. My usual routine is hire car from Airport to Cavita, Dasma area and would probably drive with "family" to Laguna and Batangas. My trip for unexplained reasons is very secret to my normal outside world. So my question of safety given the vigilante killings etc going on. Is it of a serious enough concern for normal people unrelated to the drug and crime industry? I gather the risk is a bit more, but then it has always been a risk for me. As expats living here what is your take on safety? Appreciate any and all inputs.

[QUOTE=Snow1998;1941439]I'm returning to Manila after about a 2.5 year break. I don't monger in Phills, my visit is to my "other" family. My usual routine is hire car from Airport to Cavita, Dasma area and would probably drive with "family" to Laguna and Batangas. My trip for unexplained reasons is very secret to my normal outside world. So my question of safety given the vigilante killings etc going on. Is it of a serious enough concern for normal people unrelated to the drug and crime industry? I gather the risk is a bit more, but then it has always been a risk for me. As expats living here what is your take on safety? Appreciate any and all inputs.[/QUOTE]Haven't yet heard of any killings of foreigners from the "kill drug addicted and everything related to it" started with DU30 in office. So if you just arrive quietly, mind your own business and look for hide and shelter (joke) I am sure you will be fine. If your second family has anything to do with drugs, I would visit my third family in another country instead.

[QUOTE=Snow1998;1941439]I'm returning to Manila after about a 2.5 year break. I don't monger in Phills, my visit is to my "other" family. My usual routine is hire car from Airport to Cavita, Dasma area and would probably drive with "family" to Laguna and Batangas. My trip for unexplained reasons is very secret to my normal outside world. So my question of safety given the vigilante killings etc going on. Is it of a serious enough concern for normal people unrelated to the drug and crime industry? I gather the risk is a bit more, but then it has always been a risk for me. As expats living here what is your take on safety? Appreciate any and all inputs.[/QUOTE]IMHO you will be fine Snow as long as you steer clear of drug dens, people who use drugs etc. I think it is safer than walking the streets in some parts of the USA. I have never felt threatened and I don't go looking for trouble nor do I frequent those areas so I would not worry.

Check PM and other forms of messaging as better we can chat there also.

[QUOTE=Snow1998;1941439] So my question of safety given the vigilante killings etc going on. Is it of a serious enough concern for normal people unrelated to the drug and crime industry? I gather the risk is a bit more, but then it has always been a risk for me. As expats living here what is your take on safety? Appreciate any and all inputs.[/QUOTE]I guess I've been to Manila 4-5 times since the madness began (Makati and Laguna). Basically, if you're not involved with drug addicts / pushers you *should* be perfectly safe but as you'll no doubt understand, Manila is never that simple. Certainly in Metro Manila life is as it ever was. I would imagine both the cops / vigilantes are under instruction to avoid targeting tourists, it's just your regular criminals you'll have to worry about.

Recent news indicate a scary incident where a smoking Phil A flight to Japan had to return to Manila. I don't wish anyone bad luck, but I'd be happy if the Duturte exchange rates apply in December during my next visit.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1941786]I guess I've been to Manila 4-5 times since the madness began (Makati and Laguna). Basically, if you're not involved with drug addicts / pushers you *should* be perfectly safe but as you'll no doubt understand, Manila is never that simple. Certainly in Metro Manila life is as it ever was. I would imagine both the cops / vigilantes are under instruction to avoid targeting tourists, it's just your regular criminals you'll have to worry about.[/QUOTE]

1. By spirits I assume you mean alcohol. What is the alcohol content of your spirits?

2. Yes. Maybe.

3. See #2.

4. Stay inside your hotel.

5. Can you read?

[QUOTE=Sakaisuji;1940681]The spirits tell me to go to Cebu.

Are there any beach front hotels that are nice and safe? With transport to the mall?

Do hotels provide airport shuttles?

How do tourists avoid groups of child beggars?[/QUOTE].

Thanks to all the encouraging replies. Where my 2nd family lives there have been so far no reports of killings and like its mentioned I will be staying clear of those vices. As for the 3rd family in another country, if I win a lottery! LOL.

Is anyone having trouble accessing the Cebu thread? Have had several BM's PM-ing me that its 'locked'. I see the lock also, but I can click into the thread, read, and post. Anyone else having trouble?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1942077]Is anyone having trouble accessing the Cebu thread? Have had several BM's PM-ing me that its 'locked'. I see the lock also, but I can click into the thread, read, and post. Anyone else having trouble?[/QUOTE]No Westie I accessed it just now think the guy who said this has no clue and is using one hand only LOL.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1942077]Is anyone having trouble accessing the Cebu thread? Have had several BM's PM-ing me that its 'locked'. I see the lock also, but I can click into the thread, read, and post. Anyone else having trouble?[/QUOTE]Have you tried clearing the cookies from your browser?

[QUOTE=Amavida;1942098]Have you tried clearing the cookies from your browser?[/QUOTE]I'm not having any trouble. However, others have PM'd me saying they cannot access the thread. Am now wondering what that lock means on the icon.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1942236]I'm not having any trouble. However, others have PM'd me saying they cannot access the thread. Am now wondering what that lock means on the icon.[/QUOTE]I think the lock is to stop people posting on it. It is purely a link to the collective Cebu threads. The lock appears against the connection to the late DragonSlayers thread as well.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1942236]I'm not having any trouble. However, others have PM'd me saying they cannot access the thread. Am now wondering what that lock means on the icon.[/QUOTE]Westy, I can read & post there. The lock used to mean 'read only' or in other words, one can read but not post. This was a form of archiving old posts. I'm guessing it's a software glitch or admin cock-up. Who runs this board now I wonder?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1942236]I'm not having any trouble. However, others have PM'd me saying they cannot access the thread. Am now wondering what that lock means on the icon.[/QUOTE]Working good from my end as always!

Hello,

Due to my work situation it is possible for me to conduct business from outside my home country. I was thinking that Philippines would be a good destination for maybe 4+ weeks or so. What I need to work from my laptop is a reliable internet connection (4 Mbps or better) and reliable international phone service as a backup.

Any ideas on whether / how I can find good internet for 4 weeks? For example airbnb is easy to book with but I am skeptical of internet service.

Which city would be best? Boracay sounds amazing but I wonder if the internet will be good there. Manila is OK but I do not like crowded cities much. I guess I could survive in Makati.

Cost is not really a consideration. Reliability of internet is the main consideration here. Any thoughts / suggestions would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=MSClive;1942873]
Cost is not really a consideration. Reliability of internet is the main consideration here. Any thoughts / suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I completely understand your situation. I've taken this approach: First, book in a place with good reviews about internet service. Second, bring or buy a phone (preferably with dual sim cards for Globe and Smart) that can generate a wifi hotspot. Third, both Globe and Smart offer wifi modems (via cellular signals) with prepaid load. With that kind of redundancy I've never been completely cut off, although at times the bandwidth suffers. A more clever person than I can combine bandwidth from multiple connections.

FWIW In Makati I've had best internet success at the Berjaya Hotel and the Gramercy condos nearby. Besides there, I've had the most solid connections in Alabang. YMMV.

[QUOTE=MSClive;1942873]
Cost is not really a consideration. Reliability of internet is the main consideration here. Any thoughts / suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]If you are concerned about reliability I would get an open (able to support either Smart or Globe) pocket wifi LTE capable device that has the capability for 2 external antennas (ie Huawei E5577). Then I would connect it to a high gain wide-band MIMO antenna such as an Winaerial2 from Wireng. This antenna is not cheap, but I have had very good results with it in the Philippines both at a fixed location and from hotels. The antenna has 4 suction cups so that you can mount it on a window. The antenna measures 7 x 8 x 2. 5 inches and weighs 1. 5 lbs.

I always make sure the WiFi repeater is in front of my room or with in 6 feet. First thing I do when I check in the room is to see where the repeater is and then check the connection for strong signal behind the closed door. That is about the best you will get in the room. Some hotels have stronger WiFi in the common area like the lobby or restaurant.

[QUOTE=MSClive;1942873]Hello,

Due to my work situation it is possible for me to conduct business from outside my home country. I was thinking that Philippines would be a good destination for maybe 4+ weeks or so. What I need to work from my laptop is a reliable internet connection (4 Mbps or better) and reliable international phone service as a backup.

Any ideas on whether / how I can find good internet for 4 weeks? For example airbnb is easy to book with but I am skeptical of internet service.

Which city would be best? Boracay sounds amazing but I wonder if the internet will be good there. Manila is OK but I do not like crowded cities much. I guess I could survive in Makati.

Cost is not really a consideration. Reliability of internet is the main consideration here. Any thoughts / suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]The Wifi at the Fairmont is the fastest I've found in Manila, and is consistently between 25-30 Mbps. I've not seen anything higher in hotels. If you want to pay a slight premium and stay on the Fairmont Gold floor, it's got its own server and offers slightly faster service than the rest of the hotel.

GE.

[QUOTE=Paul2020;1942900]If you are concerned about reliability I would get an open (able to support either Smart or Globe) pocket wifi LTE capable device that has the capability for 2 external antennas (ie Huawei E5577). Then I would connect it to a high gain wide-band MIMO antenna such as an Winaerial2 from Wireng. This antenna is not cheap, but I have had very good results with it in the Philippines both at a fixed location and from hotels. The antenna has 4 suction cups so that you can mount it on a window. The antenna measures 7 x 8 x 2. 5 inches and weighs 1. 5 lbs.[/QUOTE]100% agree Paul. This + VPN = conduct work / business / play SAFELY.

Hotel WiFi is *insecure*.

I've stood out in the hallway and pointed my computer at the wifi. It usually doesn't help. Agree with 787, go to the lobby or the restaurant and your prayers might be answered.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1942903]I always make sure the WiFi repeater is in front of my room or with in 6 feet. First thing I do when I check in the room is to see where the repeater is and then check the connection for strong signal behind the closed door. That is about the best you will get in the room. Some hotels have stronger WiFi in the common area like the lobby or restaurant.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MSClive;1942873]Hello,

Due to my work situation it is possible for me to conduct business from outside my home country. I was thinking that Philippines would be a good destination for maybe 4+ weeks or so. What I need to work from my laptop is a reliable internet connection (4 Mbps or better) and reliable international phone service as a backup.

Any ideas on whether / how I can find good internet for 4 weeks? For example airbnb is easy to book with but I am skeptical of internet service.

Which city would be best? Boracay sounds amazing but I wonder if the internet will be good there. Manila is OK but I do not like crowded cities much. I guess I could survive in Makati.

Cost is not really a consideration. Reliability of internet is the main consideration here. Any thoughts / suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]AirBnb: both apartments I've rented have had 4 meg down, 1 meg up kind of internet speeds included as part of the cable TV package. Not 100% reliable but occasional drop-outs of a couple of minutes at most. Did seem susceptible to peak time throttling (or just overdemand). Apartments were in Pasay (Mall of Asia) and BGC. Probably if you ask an AirBnB host what speeds they have, they won't know, but try asking whether it's bundled with the TV package and what that is so you can look it up.

I recently took advantage of my mobile phone carrier's "free unlimited 2G roaming" package. Apart from the complete clusterfuck of a setup, and subsequent denial they even offered such a service (transcripts soon sorted that one), and fixing of my non-free international roaming data access charges, the phone was about as much use as a chocolate teapot in Manila. I subsequently went to another country roaming and 2G was fine so I'm not sure where the problem lay. In hindsight I should have used a throwaway phone with a local SIM. Others have offered advice on phones anyway. I'm just saying don't rely on your domestic carrier: have a back up plan!

Thanks for all the responses. I shall field test this later this year and report back.

Meanwhile I found that internet is faster in Bangkok (much faster) so I might switch to that destination instead.

I'm curious about whether anyone has seen any reliable information on the impact of the current imbroglios on tourism? I'd imagine, given the recent verbal assaults against the EU, the UN and the US that tourism from these areas would be adversely affected, but I've got no confirmation that this is true. Does anyone know?

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1944390]I'm curious about whether anyone has seen any reliable information on the impact of the current imbroglios on tourism? I'd imagine, given the recent verbal assaults against the EU, the UN and the US that tourism from these areas would be adversely affected, but I've got no confirmation that this is true. Does anyone know?

GE.[/QUOTE]These 2 links while Philippine government tend to suggest more people are coming. No surprises there IMHO The biggest worry should be not what is happening in the poor parts of town or the drug shoot out as can't see many tourists wandering around there and / or being involved in drugs but the Zika virus as this is now in the country and the USA has now issued warning about the country for the Zika virus.

[URL]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/philippines/tourist-arrivals[/URL]

[URL]http://www.tourism.gov.ph/pages/industryperformance.aspx[/URL]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1944390]I'm curious about whether anyone has seen any reliable information on the impact of the current imbroglios on tourism? I'd imagine, given the recent verbal assaults against the EU, the UN and the US that tourism from these areas would be adversely affected, but I've got no confirmation that this is true. Does anyone know?

GE.[/QUOTE]5 year highs earlier in the year. Official figures are current only until July. (Check out the Korean numbers, phew).

Anecdotally cancellations are occurring. Awaiting next batch of numbers.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1944390]I'm curious about whether anyone has seen any reliable information on the impact of the current imbroglios on tourism? I'd imagine, given the recent verbal assaults against the EU, the UN and the US that tourism from these areas would be adversely affected, but I've got no confirmation that this is true. Does anyone know?

GE.[/QUOTE]No info here in the USA. No one here in USA is upset at all about Dutere's comments about anything and I mean anything, whether it is directed to USA or not.

I highly doubt anyone is offended and changed plans to come. Only ones I can think of who might be offended would not even have the budget for a plane ticket.

Philippines is not on too many peoples radar here. Most remarks are made hoping that President Du30 will clean out the corruption. Also they blame the Catholic Church for the over population and poverty problems along with the corruption as causes.

Anecdotally again, OFWs here in SoCal are keen to say that PI is safer now than before, because the extrajudicial stuff is against the druggies, not tourists. This is more worker to co-worker "I heard that. " kind of conversations than any big concerted effort to spread the word. Probably some potential tourists are scared off but IMHO not significantly many.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1944451]5 year highs earlier in the year. Official figures are current only until July. (Check out the Korean numbers, phew).

Anecdotally cancellations are occurring. Awaiting next batch of numbers.[/QUOTE]The highest was end July 2016 based on the 2 links I presented Amavida. And please share with everyone your statistical basis for the "anecdotally cancellations" as would love to know how many and the percentage of total reservations please. And what was the reason as could be sickness, death, as well have a weak stomach and some maybe recreational druggies also so perhaps feel other countries will be more lenient to their hobby. Who knows but help everyone with figures and sources.

I ask again are you related to the CHR and / or the previous administration as you seems somewhat intense in your dislike of the new administration. Stats from the links I provided (did you read?) show end July being the best month so how do you know that people are cancelling.

Please share your wisdom.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1944390]I'm curious about whether anyone has seen any reliable information on the impact of the current imbroglios on tourism? I'd imagine, given the recent verbal assaults against the EU, the UN and the US that tourism from these areas would be adversely affected, but I've got no confirmation that this is true. Does anyone know? [/QUOTE]The majority of my Australian family and friends are amazed that I am still prepared to stay in the Philippines despite "the new President".

I have a "milestone" birthday coming up early next year and my family have all suggested we celebrate somewhere in Oz, Bali, Singapore or Bkk, but not Philippines.

It's definitely not robust empirical data, but it does suggest that the adverse press and media has had some effect on a small segment of the educated Australian populace.

This incident happened in Cebu but given it is a more general comment on monger attitudes, I posted it here.

I was travelling from Cebu to Manila. Normally I don't have anyone accompany me to the airport but this time I did. A well dressed fairly conservative girl I have known for a few years. As we walked into the domestic airport. A tall youngish (35 approx.) foreign guy gave my friend the eye. I asked my friend to take a seat at the cafe while I checked in. After checking in I came back outside to the cafe and the foreigner was sitting two tables away directly looking at her. Ok I should have started to get suspicious. I walked my friend back down the ramp to arrivals. As we were walking down the ramp the announcement came that my plane from manila had arrived so I was conscious for time. I took her right up to within 20 metres of the taxi line and told her take the white taxi not the yellow. . Ok I should have walked her to the taxi and put her in the taxi. As I was walking back up the ramp the foreign guy walked past me avoiding eye contact. I looked back towards the taxi line and there was no one in the queue so I assumed she had already walked to the taxi and got in. What I had not realised was the illegal taxi touts had commandeered her and convinced her that she had to wait for a taxi they would organise. Why the airport allows these people to rip people off I don't know. They should be arrested and fined. Based upon what my friend has told me the foreign guy grabbed her before getting into the taxi the illegal touts had organised and would not let her in the taxi saying I want to know you; you are beautiful. My friend asked him to let her go so eventually the illegal taxi lady calls security over. The foreign guy tells the security guard get lost it is none of his business. Finally the security guard physically intervened and pushed the foreigner out of the way. My friend jumped in the taxi and left. It is really my fault, I should have walked her into the taxi and secondly walked back when the guy passed me on the ramp.

The point of the story is that some guys get delusions that the Philippines is a candy shop and everything is there for them to pick up. This guy is delusional and in grave danger of physically accosting the wrong person. Approaching any random girl and chatting them up has risks. Physically restraining someone is path to disaster. Hope this post has some educational value.

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1945157]
The point of the story is that some guys get delusions that the Philippines is a candy shop and everything is there for them to pick up. This guy is delusional and in grave danger of physically accosting the wrong person. Approaching any random girl and chatting them up has risks. Physically restraining someone is path to disaster. Hope this post has some educational value.[/QUOTE]I have been very concerned about some of the recent posts in the AC thread endorsing this 'all the women are for sale' mentality. I wish you could cross post it over there mate. I'm glad your friend escaped unharmed. Imagine her reaction next time a foreigner flashes her a smile?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1945136]The majority of my Australian family and friends are amazed that I am still prepared to stay in the Philippines despite "the new President".

I have a "milestone" birthday coming up early next year and my family have all suggested we celebrate somewhere in Oz, Bali, Singapore or Bkk, but not Philippines.

It's definitely not robust empirical data, but it does suggest that the adverse press and media has had some effect on a small segment of the educated Australian populace.[/QUOTE]I have had the same conversations with friends about "are you sure it is safe" but then they know I have been in Pakistan when there were riots in Karachi, bombs in Ireland, the Middle East and all its loony tunes LOL plus other exotic places and realise that the press has to sell a story and maybe they need to read the other side of the page.

As for your milestone birthday I would suggest a visit to AC or Cebu and we could suggest a collection of cuties to number you milestone age when added up. Mate did this in AC a few years back with his wife rounding up 7 ladies from the bars for a "sex party" in their suite at the hotel. Am sure that would be 'memorable' and is something I will plan when I reach any milestone birthday (but I am a young fella RK as you know!

Just an idea of course RK and one that I would happily help you organise LOL.

I have my Filipino number on roaming when outside the Philippines. Unfortunately the sms costs to respond from overseas to a sms sent to my Filipino number are prohibitive (40 pesos per message if I remember). I have not been able to get Skype (and tried another smaller vendor) to have call number display correctly working in Philippines. Call number display works in Australia but there seems to be some problem with Philippines telecom carriers. Thus if I send a sms message from skype to a Philippines mobile it does not show my number but some number the local philippines telecoms carrier uses. This causes all sorts of confusion where my Filipino recipient responds to the "fake" mobile number displayed as the sender.

Sometimes I get messages from Filipino senders where they don't have any load but use some free messaging service to send the sms. However it still shows as received from the real user's number rather than a fake telecoms carrier number. Does anyone know what local Filipinos use for these Philippines free message services? I expect some responses to say don't use sms anymore-everyone uses facebook messaging or viber or what's app. In my experience that is not true because still many people I communicate with cannot afford a smart phone so they have simple text phone (quite often bought by me)

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1947901]I have my Filipino number on roaming when outside the Philippines. Unfortunately the sms costs to respond from overseas to a sms sent to my Filipino number are prohibitive (40 pesos per message if I remember). I have not been able to get Skype (and tried another smaller vendor) to have call number display correctly working in Philippines. Call number display works in Australia but there seems to be some problem with Philippines telecom carriers. Thus if I send a sms message from skype to a Philippines mobile it does not show my number but some number the local philippines telecoms carrier uses. This causes all sorts of confusion where my Filipino recipient responds to the "fake" mobile number displayed as the sender.

Sometimes I get messages from Filipino senders where they don't have any load but use some free messaging service to send the sms. However it still shows as received from the real user's number rather than a fake telecoms carrier number. Does anyone know what local Filipinos use for these Philippines free message services? I expect some responses to say don't use sms anymore-everyone uses facebook messaging or viber or what's app. In my experience that is not true because still many people I communicate with cannot afford a smart phone so they have simple text phone (quite often bought by me)[/QUOTE]I have my phils number on roaming an have chikka on my mobile which gives me about 8/10? To each number in the phils an to as many different numbers as I want. An for the person in the phils to text me to my roaming number is the same cost as if I was in the phils. I am in Australia.

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1947901]I have my Filipino number on roaming when outside the Philippines. Unfortunately the sms costs to respond from overseas to a sms sent to my Filipino number are prohibitive (40 pesos per message if I remember). I have not been able to get Skype (and tried another smaller vendor) to have call number display correctly working in Philippines. Call number display works in Australia but there seems to be some problem with Philippines telecom carriers. Thus if I send a sms message from skype to a Philippines mobile it does not show my number but some number the local philippines telecoms carrier uses. This causes all sorts of confusion where my Filipino recipient responds to the "fake" mobile number displayed as the sender.
[/QUOTE]G'day MA, if your textors are too poor / uneducated to avail of IP telephony the last resort is to buy an OFW Sim from Globe, load it up with max credit and enable roaming on it just before you board the plane homeward. In your home country use the sim as you would normally. Yes it's not cheap but you value communicating these people and could afford airfares / hotels / punting right? Occasionally you will need to top up the load on these sims. Web sites exist selling third party top up.

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1947901]
Sometimes I get messages from Filipino senders where they don't have any load but use some free messaging service to send the sms. However it still shows as received from the real user's number rather than a fake telecoms carrier number. Does anyone know what local Filipinos use for these Philippines free message services? I expect some responses to say don't use sms anymore-everyone uses facebook messaging or viber or what's app. In my experience that is not true because still many people I communicate with cannot afford a smart phone so they have simple text phone (quite often bought by me)[/QUOTE]They are using chikka. That's fine for them. Most punters cannot be bothered with the rigamarole involved. Read up on the web if you really must try it.

Cheers mate.

[QUOTE=Paulr1950;1947927]I have my phils number on roaming an have chikka on my mobile which gives me about 8/10? To each number in the phils an to as many different numbers as I want. An for the person in the phils to text me to my roaming number is the same cost as if I was in the phils. I am in Australia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amavida;1947945]G'day MA, if your textors are too poor / uneducated to avail of IP telephony the last resort is to buy an OFW Sim from Globe, load it up with max credit and enable roaming on it just before you board the plane homeward. In your home country use the sim as you would normally. Yes it's not cheap but you value communicating these people and could afford airfares / hotels / punting right? Occasionally you will need to top up the load on these sims. Web sites exist selling third party top up.

They are using chikka. That's fine for them. Most punters cannot be bothered with the rigamarole involved. Read up on the web if you really must try it.

Cheers mate.[/QUOTE]Not sure if the OFW SIM is different rates to my standard Globe SIM. But it really does start to add up the roaming SMS costs. I must be recharging my Globe number 60-90 $ AUD per month. I recharge using World Remitt. Chikka is what I wanted to hear. I knew it was something like that but could not remember. I will give it a try. Forum has solved my questions. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Paulr1950;1947927]I have my phils number on roaming an have chikka on my mobile which gives me about 8/10? To each number in the phils an to as many different numbers as I want. An for the person in the phils to text me to my roaming number is the same cost as if I was in the phils. I am in Australia.[/QUOTE]Same here I have a roaming Phil number and then I use local data packages where ever I am (I have around 20 different SIM cards now. Wander around a lot at times LOL). They just text my local Phil number as same cost as usual, I reply on whatever number am using as cheap and I get freebies also in some countries. Or use BBM / WhatsApp / Viber. That is better as easier to send photos and videos. Also some packages I get lots of free international calls so that helps me speak to them and they love that as think am spending a lot on mobile charges just to call them.

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1947901]Does anyone know what local Filipinos use for these Philippines free message services?[/QUOTE]TextPlus, free SMS and VOIP.

I am not much a conversation person, so when I have a girl in the room between pops I let her download apps or games to her CP or tablet using the hotel WiFi. Yes the WiFi speed is slow and maybe even slower as they are browsing thru Facebook, but they are happy and don't mind waiting. I have found the LT girls love the WiFi and usually don't get online that often and are happy amusing themselves.

I had mentioned in a much previous post that I bring used CP and tablets to give away to star performers. I had been getting the used CP for free or cheap from friends who were upgrading their phones. These CP and tablets are still better than the crap they buy in Phil for 4-5 k. Make sure they are unlocked GSM phones before you bring them. Now on #A online shopping store you can buy a great new CP with 5" screen, 16 GB, 2 g ram for $60. Last trip to Manila I exchanged this CP each to 2 different girls for a couple of nights of lovemaking. I also gave them 1 k each for food and round trip taxi.

You can buy a tablet from the online store for $50 and be a hit. I augment the CP or tablet with a 32 GB micro SD memory chip. You can buy those online for less than $11 whereas in Phil they sell for $20+.

For lighter travel I just bring extra CP and micro SD chips.

[QUOTE=BukoMax;1948107]TextPlus, free SMS and VOIP.[/QUOTE]I think some times I away for 2/3 months an I never top up my phils smart number as I only leave with about 110 in cr that drops of soem times as the load will expire, but even if nil balance still works for a few months till you go back or top again.

Ye chikka works fine, there is another one I have used, but chikka now give you more texts per day / per number than befour so no need.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1945309]I have been very concerned about some of the recent posts in the AC thread endorsing this 'all the women are for sale' mentality. I wish you could cross post it over there mate. I'm glad your friend escaped unharmed. Imagine her reaction next time a foreigner flashes her a smile?[/QUOTE]These rejects usually end up in Angeles City where candy for hire is much more prevalent.

OK, here is my list of why I love / hate the Philippines. Please feel free to disagree;.

Love: Low prices, warm weather, cute girls all over, some amazing beautiful places (Puerto Galera for one.), everybody speak English, happy smiling people, respect for the elderly, love kids and respect family, easy going, talented musicians everywhere, fun loving, mostly honest people, caring (best nurses in the world? The new President (bad mouthed, but seems he is serious about getting rid of drugs and corruption).

Hate: Manila (dirty, noisy.), jealous people, tricycles, jeepnees (please can somebody ban these monsters.), slow wi-fi, crap food compared to Thailand and Vietnam (fast food chains like Jollybee is VERY bad), singing everywhere (karaoke), their habit of lying with a straight face, street vendors, beggars, bad roads, traffic, slow service (check-in or check-out of hotels as an example), signing papers everywhere. Even bar bills (wtf? "the white guy always pay" - so your girl will gather lots of family and friends for meals, crap standards. Things tend to fall apart, burn outs, typhoons (hard to avoid in these waters), added cost for use of bank cards, crime, the "filthy rich" (they say 10 families control 90% of private wealth in the Philippines), lack of basic healthcare for everyone.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;1948707]OK, here is my list of why I love / hate the Philippines. Please feel free to disagree;.
Hate: Manila (dirty, noisy.), jealous people, tricycles, jeepnees (please can somebody ban these monsters.), slow wi-fi, crap food compared to Thailand and Vietnam (fast food chains like Jollybee is VERY bad), singing everywhere (karaoke), their habit of lying with a straight face, street vendors, beggars, bad roads, traffic, slow service (check-in or check-out of hotels as an example), signing papers everywhere. Even bar bills (wtf? "the white guy always pay" - so your girl will gather lots of family and friends for meals, crap standards. Things tend to fall apart, burn outs, typhoons (hard to avoid in these waters), added cost for use of bank cards, crime, the "filthy rich" (they say 10 families control 90% of private wealth in the Philippines), lack of basic healthcare for everyone.[/QUOTE]You should have crossed Manila and put Philippines overall. PI has been around for about 120 years, more than any SEA country but has the worst infrastructure of any other SEA country. The political system is based on the USA system. It does not work in USA, how can it work in PI? President is there for 6 yeas and every 6 years, it's start all over. There is no long term planning. No 5, 10 year planning that carries over. Every politician is there for themselves and how much they can make. No projects can happen unless the politician's payback markups are agreed. Why has not the Manila airport been rebuilt? The companies could not agree to the demands of the Presidents and other politicians. The Casino that is being built in Manila had to pay US 10 million to the politicians. Until the political system changes, there is just NO hope for change in PI.

Hi everyone,

I am currently looking at the Phillipines for a possible trip and had a number of questions from more experienced goers:

In part I was considering going to see Angeles city for the 2 weeks I can get off. Are there other places worth going to see? Is Cebu worth the trip? Is the best course of action to skip Manila on arrival and go straight to Angeles? How far is it?

I've just come back from Pattaya and am curious how Angeles City or the rest of the Phillipines compares? How they're different in broadstrokes? Are the Gogo Bars similar? How readily available are the women here? What are the price ranges?

How big is Angeles City and is it walkable?

How is the safety situation now with the new president and his antidrug campaign?

Thank you for any clarification on these points.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;1949000]Hi everyone,

I am currently looking at the Phillipines for a possible trip and had a number of questions from more experienced goers:

In part I was considering going to see Angeles city for the 2 weeks I can get off. Are there other places worth going to see? Is Cebu worth the trip? Is the best course of action to skip Manila on arrival and go straight to Angeles? How far is it?

I've just come back from Pattaya and am curious how Angeles City or the rest of the Phillipines compares? How they're different in broadstrokes? Are the Gogo Bars similar? How readily available are the women here? What are the price ranges?

How big is Angeles City and is it walkable?

How is the safety situation now with the new president and his antidrug campaign?

Thank you for any clarification on these points.[/QUOTE]Thanks and welcome to Philippines forum. Filipinas are very friendly and considerate, very caring and offer everything you expect and often more.

Likewise, the contributors to this forum are also friendly, considerate and helpful.

You will find answers to all of your questions in the Forum. Reading the threads will give you a much better feel and knowledge for the place.

As a guide to how addictive they are...my first trip was 2 days...now I take three weeks per trip.


BD.

The pollution of urban waterways is one of the saddest things I see in the Philippines. I might disagree with your listing of tricycle. Yes, they are noisy, but they are also convenient and cheap. The exception would by the trikes of AC. They have one of the smallest trike designs in the Philippines and have set up a cartel to squeeze as much money as possible out of passengers. Add to that, certain members of their ilk will constantly shout "TRIKE" at every non-Filipino passerby.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;1948707]OK, here is my list of why I love / hate the Philippines. Please feel free to disagree;.

Love: Low prices, warm weather, cute girls all over, some amazing beautiful places (Puerto Galera for one.), everybody speak English, happy smiling people, respect for the elderly, love kids and respect family, easy going, talented musicians everywhere, fun loving, mostly honest people, caring (best nurses in the world? The new President (bad mouthed, but seems he is serious about getting rid of drugs and corruption).

Hate: Manila (dirty, noisy.), jealous people, tricycles, jeepnees (please can somebody ban these monsters.), slow wi-fi, crap food compared to Thailand and Vietnam (fast food chains like Jollybee is VERY bad), singing everywhere (karaoke), their habit of lying with a straight face, street vendors, beggars, bad roads, traffic, slow service (check-in or check-out of hotels as an example), signing papers everywhere. Even bar bills (wtf? "the white guy always pay" - so your girl will gather lots of family and friends for meals, crap standards. Things tend to fall apart, burn outs, typhoons (hard to avoid in these waters), added cost for use of bank cards, crime, the "filthy rich" (they say 10 families control 90% of private wealth in the Philippines), lack of basic healthcare for everyone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1948735]No projects can happen unless the politician's payback markups are agreed. Why has not the Manila airport been rebuilt? The companies could not agree to the demands of the Presidents and other politicians. The Casino that is being built in Manila had to pay US 10 million to the politicians. Until the political system changes, there is just NO hope for change in PI.[/QUOTE]The total bribes for the Casino were USD $40 million, not $10 million, filtered down from the President.

In general economy has improved for many people. According to the many girls I enjoyed who has regular jobs. They still live in shanties but more and more people are upward mobile. For a high school graduated girl she can get a job in factory earning 6000 to 10,000 depending on the company, overtime etc. Some girls said they are asked to work overtime but did not get paid extra. Complaining does not help. All work in contract jobs unless employed by the government which is a permanent job. Even these jobs are sometimes outsourced to companies which means contract.

Nowadays malls hire only college educated girls at least two years of college including fast food joints. They make around 8000 per month on an average. IT girls make 12000 to 16000 but their hours are graveyard hours.

How do these girls survive? They are not the saving type for a rainy day. There is good support structure from family, extended family, friends etc. When in need they all help. One girl I met stays at her friends house with no complaints. Sometimes she helps with the groceries but does not pay rent. Phi people are family loving whether their own or otherwise.

On the other hand DIA girls do not jump into bed like before to make money. It takes more effort nowadays. There are quite a few marriages taking place with foreigners. Problem is people who are already married in their own country are marrying here. They make regular visits and support wife and kids if any. I heard only people who are taking their wives to their countries are real old guys who need companionship, help etc. It has become quite common girls say. Some girls are quite happy because they are supported and have foreign babies even though there is no chance for the children to get into fathers country. There are instances where this gravy train suddenly stops forcing the girl into prostitution to support the kids. Almost all the girls tell me they know a cousin, aunt etc married to a foreigner. When I ask which country they go to they say they are still here. One girl said her aunt is married to a very old foreigner and lives in Osaka. She has one kid and the kid rarely comes to Philippines.

I guess when you are desperate you will grab any straw.

This is my take talking to girls. Others who live here may have a different opinion.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1949944] I heard only people who are taking their wives to their countries are real old guys who need companionship, help etc. It has become quite common girls say. Some girls are quite happy because they are supported and have foreign babies even though there is no chance for the children to get into fathers country. There are instances where this gravy train suddenly stops forcing the girl into prostitution to support the kids. Almost all the girls tell me they know a cousin, aunt etc married to a foreigner. When I ask which country they go to they say they are still here. One girl said her aunt is married to a very old foreigner and lives in Osaka. She has one kid and the kid rarely comes to Philippines. [/QUOTE]No disagreement Samm.

Just about every permutation is possible with the filipina / foreigner situation, including happy / sad outcomes.

The words from the classic rock ballad "Khe Sanh" by the Aussie icons "Cold Chisel" just popped into my head (linked to Vietnam but relevant to all of SE Asia).

And she was like so many more from that time on.

Their lives were all so empty, 'til they found their chosen one.

And their legs were often open.

But their minds were always closed.

And their hearts were held in fast suburban chains.

Pretty accurate IMHO.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1950054]No disagreement Samm.

Just about every permutation is possible with the filipina / foreigner situation, including happy / sad outcomes.

The words from the classic rock ballad "Khe Sanh" by the Aussie icons "Cold Chisel" just popped into my head (linked to Vietnam but relevant to all of SE Asia).

And she was like so many more from that time on.

Their lives were all so empty, 'til they found their chosen one.

And their legs were often open.

But their minds were always closed.

And their hearts were held in fast suburban chains.

Pretty accurate IMHO.[/QUOTE]RK, I was going to take this in the direction of factual description, but you took in the direction of emotional verity. And dead-on accurate. Very moving, and very true.

Sammon, if I may offer some anecdotes in reply.

Thing about needing a college degree to work in a mall 100% verified. Note a four year degree usually, in order to alternately stare into space vacantly, and work a cash register. Granted the grade school system only went up to 10 until of late, but I remember clearly doing this job in the USA At age 16 on account of why the fuck would anyone but a non-hs-graduate do it. Not sure what else to say about that, except graduating "college" with a "business major" in order to type in the unscannable barcodes in the supermarket seems like a bit of overkill, or maybe not.

Have a friend, an ex, who's 17-year old daughter is going to "college" for "tourism" whatever that is. She (the daughter) and her classmate spent the last week constructing a garbage can out of used plastic bottles as their most urgent class project. No I am not making this up. I'm not sure what the point of this "school project" is, how it relates to "tourism," or what that says about what is taught in "college" here, but it can't be good. Perhaps the 4-year graduate working the cash registers is appropriate.

My perception is also that the general level of the poor seems to be on the uptrend, although I have only been here for five years so it's merely an impression.

About family:

Yes these girls and everyone at their income level here have strong family ties. I think it is a somewhat fanciful to ascribe that to loving their families. IMO, It's more of a survival tactic. All resources are shared, within the local "tribe. " Questioning this can get you banned from the tribe, which is a serious survival threat. It's not love, it's fear. Very irritating when you but a girl a nice dress or a pair of shoes and they are immediately "borrowed" by a relative. But that's the reality. If they get ANYTHING they are expected to share it. The alternative is repercussions ranging from future not-getting-shared-with, to active hate / sabotage / disavowal.

Ex: I used to go with a girl with a foreign husband, one day I was asking her why did you give all that money to your sister? She replied that it was so the sister would not rat us out to the husband. This is typical. I stopped seeing her as I don't like being an expense. But the point is, Flips will fuck each other up / hold eachother hostage to vulnerabilities / generally screw anyone they can, if not for profit than just for spite / crab mentality.

Families are a survival mechanism. Bucking the mechanism invites retaliation. The result is the same but let's not delude ourselves concerning the motive. The level of life here, among the non-elite, is basically like those fucking stupid teledramaas; but worse, and real.

Last anecdotes: I know a lovely Pinay with an Aussie husband who never visits, the expectation is that she will basically be a caregiver at the end of his obese life when he retires in a few. Typical of what you said. She stays here and gets remittances, eventually she will go there and change his [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] or whatever, and inherit when he kicks off. They both seem completely satisfied with this arrangement.

On the other hand, I have a younger male friend in the U. S. (in his early thirties) who I introduced to the magic of the Philippines, who has visited here exactly once and is now engaged to a woman who is apparently his true love, "the one". In my estimation, because no woman in the States will fuck him, because he is not rich, in his thirties, and slightly overweight. This is his paradise and he fully intends to import her to the USA and live in ultra-satisfaction with a wife that would be way out of his league in the "first" world, forever. So things are… varied.

Disclaimer: this post was intended to prove nothing just exchanging experiences.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1950054]

And their legs were often open.

But their minds were always closed.

And their hearts were held in fast suburban chains.
[/QUOTE]I always knew you were a soppy old romantic RK!

[QUOTE=Sammon;1949944]For a high school graduated girl she can get a job in factory earning 6000 to 10,000 depending on the company, overtime etc. Some girls said they are asked to work overtime but did not get paid extra. Complaining does not help. All work in contract jobs unless employed by the government which is a permanent job. Even these jobs are sometimes outsourced to companies which means contract.

Nowadays malls hire only college educated girls at least two years of college including fast food joints. They make around 8000 per month on an average. IT girls make 12000 to 16000 but their hours are graveyard hours.[/QUOTE]I do not know shit about labor and wages in the PI, but one of my girls works in a call center. She makes 20 k per month minus 32% tax and other government contributions such as SOCIAL security philhealth and PAG IBIG housing. She works during the daytime but was once transfered to graveyard on very short notice.

I have another girl that works at the Supreme Court. She works a lot of free overtime (even on days off) doing extra duties with a promotion carrot dangled in front of her. Everytime I ask when she is going to get the promotion she says that she does not know and just has to be patient. I just can not wrap my mind around working for a government or big company for free like that.

[QUOTE=RollAides;1950135]Have a friend, an ex, who's 17-year old daughter is going to "college" for "tourism" whatever that is. She (the daughter) and her classmate spent the last week constructing a garbage can out of used plastic bottles as their most urgent class project. No I am not making this up. I'm not sure what the point of this "school project" is, how it relates to "tourism," or what that says about what is taught in "college" here, but it can't be good. Perhaps the 4-year graduate working the cash registers is appropriate.

But the point is, Flips will fuck each other up / hold eachother hostage to vulnerabilities / generally screw anyone they can, if not for profit than just for spite / crab mentality.

Families are a survival mechanism. Bucking the mechanism invites retaliation. The result is the same but let's not delude ourselves concerning the motive. The level of life here, among the non-elite, is basically like those fucking stupid teledramaas; but worse, and real...[/QUOTE]Good observations RA.

The tourism degree IMHO is useless and am sure RK is better placed to more intellect around this and the K12 argument many had that the country need not introduce it (but I think it has).

One of my pinyas was told to take photos in Sinulog (Cebu) for her final assignment (graded) for tourism. Some had to take a trip to HK not to see the Peak etc but the professors went to Disney! I saw the schedule and told her to complain. Was told to be quiet or be 'failed'. Madness.

I have always said they will rat etc on each other, jealousy is of the reasons (and some think that equals love). Jealousy is part of their make up and "if I can't have you can't either and I will do my best to make sure you don't enjoy" attitude of many pinays is very destructive (chismis als). Look at how they use Facebook?

As for the US guy, he will likely find his pinay finds more sausages than his once in USA. Many do.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1950188]I do not know shit about labor and wages in the PI, SNIP

I have another girl that works at the Supreme Court. She works a lot of free overtime (even on days off) doing extra duties with a promotion carrot dangled in front of her. Everytime I ask when she is going to get the promotion she says that she does not know and just has to be patient. I just can not wrap my mind around working for a government or big company for free like that.[/QUOTE]In the same vein, one of my provincial girls took a job in her hometown last December at the local city hall. She sits just outside the barangay official's door at a table, asking anyone who approaches what his / her biz is, then directing them into (or away from) the politician's door. She has no other duty. Its a full day's work (sitting, doing mostly nothing), 5 days / week. Her daily pay is set in stone (I think she said p85/ day, or thereabout). Her 1-tryke then 1-jeep ride each way is p14 (28 round-trip), and she must bring (or buy) her own lunch daily (she skips lunch, as she can't afford it).

Kicker: Her pay is dependent upon her having a bank account and a local bank card (like a debit card). She doesn't have that. They refuse to pay in cash. Since she doesn't have the bank card, she has never been paid anything. The politician promises to pay her in full as soon as she gets the bank card. She's been working 9 months with no pay. Its unfathomable how anyone would consider doing this, but she seems to have no qualms. Where she comes up with the p140/ week for transport fare is also unknown to me. Amazing. She's an absolute sex fiend, wanting sex 4-5-6 times everyday (I dare say that if I had one of you good horny gents with me and her in a hotel room, she'd wear us both down to a nub in 24 hours, and she'd be wanting more), and her skinny pretty ass has been posted a number of times in the PG. There she is, one of the prettier and horniest women on earth, working for nada.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1950218]
Kicker: Her pay is dependent upon her having a bank account and a local bank card (like a debit card). She doesn't have that. [/QUOTE]I recall reading only 1/3 of the people here have bank accounts. And the rest? Not enough money to open an account - it's usually p1000, but I think Maybank is p500. And if they have the money they don't have the IDs. Too often they don't even own the acceptable footwear that permits them into a government office to get an ID.

I posted an account of a girl who worked at a call centre. Fortunately she was being paid. With the assistance of BDO bank her employer, Convergys, had an arrangement that accounts could be opened for its employees for the direct deposit of pay. The bizarre thing about this account is that no one else could deposit money into it, including the girl herself. She could withdraw funds from an ATM. This is what I wrote then:

[QUOTE] A lot of workers don't have their own personal bank account (why???). Employers prefer direct deposit, and it's safe for the employee, so BDO created a special account that is in the employee's name, from which the employee can draw funds. Seems like a savings account. Ooops, spoke too soon. The employee is not allowed to deposit money into the account. Why? No one at BDO could answer that. "Your bank doesn't like money?" Silence. When an employee leaves her job the company ought to deposit the final pay packet into the account. For a bizarre reason some companies prefer to cut a cheque instead. See where this is going? The employee can't deposit the cheque. I guess that cheque is an eff you to the former employee. Does BDO make it possible for a person to convert the account to a savings account? Keep in mind that this person is already known to BDO since she has the payroll debit account. Not at all. A white face asking a lot questions soon brings the BDO manager. He makes a phone call, speaks for a few moments, and... surprise! The cheque can be deposited. Jeez.[/QUOTE]

Since she left Convergys the account couldn't be converted to her own savings account. Ultimately she opened her own account with Maybank, which was conveniently located for her in Manila... and nowhere else.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1950218]. Where she comes up with the p140/ week for transport fare is also unknown to me. Amazing. She's an absolute sex fiend, wanting sex 4-5-6 times everyday (I dare say that if I had one of you good horny gents with me and her in a hotel room, she'd wear us both down to a nub in 24 hours, and she'd be wanting more), and her skinny pretty ass has been posted a number of times in the PG. There she is, one of the prettier and horniest women on earth, working for nada.[/QUOTE]Next we meet Westie LOL.

As for the pay this is no uncommon. I always tell the girls use BPI Express as was PHP200 to open at one time. I know foreign firms who pay into a bank account all the salaries of their staff who have to go and get their salary in cash (not allowed a bank card by the bank) and their employer will not pay into anyone accounts.

But am not amazed at your story as they really believe the politician. Unlike many in the rest of the world.

And am sure he can give her the cash to open the account but won't.

I posted this on the Cebu board as refers there but the comment from the airlines is a truism and those who fly a lot would agree.

Posted on Cebu forum.

This I think is good news? More Koreans is bad news IMHO but direct flights to Asia from Cebu is great news as I do hate going via Manila at times.

[URL]http://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/109039/ten-more-international-flights-from-cebu-before-year-ends[/URL]

The comment about "please upgrade the airports" is something discussed a lot on this board.

Hello,

I'm planning my first visit to the Philippines and had a question about dating sites like Pinalove.

Do you find it more effective to use direct opening with what you expect from the girl, or more generic pleasantries that you would use in "normal" internet dating? (and if so, at which point the details go into discussion, if at all?

[QUOTE=Sectoran;1953753]Hello,

I'm planning my first visit to the Philippines and had a question about dating sites like Pinalove.

Do you find it more effective to use direct opening with what you expect from the girl, or more generic pleasantries that you would use in "normal" internet dating? (and if so, at which point the details go into discussion, if at all?[/QUOTE]Of you take 5 minutes and try get the feel of this forum you will see a section called "Chat Rooms and Pen Pals". Lots of info regarding use of datingsites over there in general and for Pinalove more specific. You just need to do a little legwork yourself.

[QUOTE=Sectoran;1953753]Hello,

I'm planning my first visit to the Philippines and had a question about dating sites like Pinalove.

Do you find it more effective to use direct opening with what you expect from the girl, or more generic pleasantries that you would use in "normal" internet dating? (and if so, at which point the details go into discussion, if at all?[/QUOTE]As you are a first time poster you can be forgiven for posting this question here, whereas the information you seek can be found by putting in some time reading posts in the chat rooms and pen pals thread. Also, if you spring for the $20 membership fee, some of our more helpful brethren might even give you some private pointers through the PM function.

[QUOTE=Sectoran;1953753]Do you find it more effective to use direct opening with what you expect from the girl, or more generic pleasantries that you would use in "normal" internet dating? (and if so, at which point the details go into discussion, if at all?[/QUOTE]Contact me in PM for some thoughts.

[QUOTE=Sectoran;1953753]Hello,

I'm planning my first visit to the Philippines and had a question about dating sites like Pinalove.

Do you find it more effective to use direct opening with what you expect from the girl, or more generic pleasantries that you would use in "normal" internet dating? (and if so, at which point the details go into discussion, if at all?[/QUOTE]Soapy Smith has given you excellent advice. Read the thread "Chat rooms and Pen Pals" for advice.

Just a tip before you head off there. If you are too explicit about what you want in your profile, someone will report you and you will be blocked. Pinalove is virtually useless unless you pay for a membership, and that fee might be better spent on a membership of ISG here so that you can PM members and they can PM you.

Was not sure where you post this, but here seems as good a place as any.

So I've been chatting with a girl for about 2 months, she's 18 (or so she says), but not by much. She doesn't have a passport or any ID's beyond a Police Clearance letter (no photo) and a Voter Registration letter (with photo). Of course both could be fake. Anyone had any experience with this?

Usually I'd just forget it and err on the side of caution, but I don't want to throw away the chance to bang a fine young (legal) thing without due reason.

[QUOTE=Sectoran;1953753]Hello,

I'm planning my first visit to the Philippines and had a question about dating sites like Pinalove.

Do you find it more effective to use direct opening with what you expect from the girl, or more generic pleasantries that you would use in "normal" internet dating? (and if so, at which point the details go into discussion, if at all?[/QUOTE]There is a forum just on pinalove, you might want to read through that and get some useful information. If you have the time and patience, pinalove can be a good option.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1954588]Was not sure where you post this, but here seems as good a place as any.

So I've been chatting with a girl for about 2 months, she's 18 (or so she says), but not by much. She doesn't have a passport or any ID's beyond a Police Clearance letter (no photo) and a Voter Registration letter (with photo). Of course both could be fake. Anyone had any experience with this?

Usually I'd just forget it and err on the side of caution, but I don't want to throw away the chance to bang a fine young (legal) thing without due reason.[/QUOTE]The temptation is great but be careful as there are scammers around that take advantage of this. Hard to do, but I would walk away. Foreigners are in glasshouses!

She should have school identification with photo even expired. If not I would give her a pass.

Oh I wouldn't go there but since you ask you must be worried about something. Don't trust IDs which are not SSS ID or passports. My rule after an extortion attempt. All other IDs are easily faked and can be bought at a place in Manila, but for the love of God of it, I can't seem to remember the name. Passports and SSS ids can also be faked of course but I think I am being paranoid enough. Experience runs its course I guess.

You probably know already and its been repeated many times but as a foreigner in Phils and especially when dealing with girls we have no rights. Doesn't matter if she provides you 6 different IDs who states she is of legal age. If she's not and authorities gets involved you are to be blamed and locked up. In best case they just want to press you from money (its soon x mas and all that shit). When your case is about to show up in court, in a 2 to 7 years time, then maybe you will get off easier providing the fact she in fact let you to believe she was of legal age. I don't want to go through this for a shag in a country where there are 1000's of willing more safe girls. Just my 1 cent.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1954588]Was not sure where you post this, but here seems as good a place as any.

So I've been chatting with a girl for about 2 months, she's 18 (or so she says), but not by much. She doesn't have a passport or any ID's beyond a Police Clearance letter (no photo) and a Voter Registration letter (with photo). Of course both could be fake. Anyone had any experience with this?

Usually I'd just forget it and err on the side of caution, but I don't want to throw away the chance to bang a fine young (legal) thing without due reason.[/QUOTE]Not having reasonable identifying documents is surprisingly, even shockingly, common here. I would not consider that a de facto red flag. But frankly, if this girl is attempting to catch you in some kind ofunder age scam, [I]no amount of documents [/i] are guaranteed to help you, completely regardless of her actual age. Conversely, the average Pinoy, who is not in fact trying to perpetrate such a scam, cares or is aware that such a thing as under-18 or over-18 even exists. For example, I recently had to exasperatingly and repetitively explain to a GF why her 17-year-old niece could not work for me as a domestic helper, as being alone in my house with the niece would render me liable to criminal prosecution. The GF basically thought I was a fucking wingnut and probably lying. Most Filipinos have exactly zero idea what their actual laws are, (and excusably so, since it doesn't matter) and approximately zero of them are interested in, or have any knowledge of, or could even conceive of, the western craze of paedohysteria that has recently gripped America and other Anglophone countries. We're not playing on he same ball field.

Long story short, you are either 1) dealing with an extremely rare instance of a LT scammer, in which case it really doesn't make any difference what age she actually is, because the corrupt police involved in such a scam won't give a fuck if you have a picture of her ID, valid or not, as that is irrelevant to extracting cash from you; or, 2) dealing someone who has probably never even heard of such a thing as it mattering whether she is over 18, in which case it will also still be irrelevant. Personally, I would consider a voter registration letter with a photo sufficient to ally my fears, depending on context. The only concrete advice I might offer would be that if she is from / around / in Angeles, drop it, if from the provinces, you are almost certainly not in any danger, and if in a Manila or Cebu, grey area. As you have not provided any specifics, your gut is probably your best guide. (Not your dick.).

My feeling is though, that you may be inadvertently equating western rule of law jurisprudence systems with the Philippines, and thus assuming that a provably reasonable mistake of fact would be a factor if there is trouble. Actually that is not even a factor in some USA States, depending on the letter of the law, but I digress. It won't be. In reality the only relevant issue is whether you are being set up to be scammed or not, and that is something that you are probably in the best position to assess. If you are not sure of your footing, then take FastPiston's advice and just walk, there are plenty of opportunities available.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1954588]So I've been chatting with a girl for about 2 months, she's 18 (or so she says), but not by much. She doesn't have a passport or any ID's beyond a Police Clearance letter (no photo) and a Voter Registration letter (with photo). Of course both could be fake. Anyone had any experience with this?
[/QUOTE]Lack of ID: not a red flag (common amongst poor).

Police clearance letter: That's 'unusual'. Do you mean NBI clearance? May indicate she has been on the emigration conveyor belt either OFW preparation or another amorous foreigner? The poor avoid police & don't have pesos to waste. Odd.

In any event, documents are easily rustled up from sidewalk 'notaries' and so are not to be relied on. Asian women often look young for their age to westerners eyes.

I've had 18 yr old virgins insist on impaling themselves on me and lived to tell the tale. Best advice is to look at her words & actions, get a vibe from the interpersonal interaction. Do you feel she is a husband hunter or, just looking to exchange body fluids for pesos? A little of both? Is it too good to be true: ie agrees to anything without emotion?

What do you know of her family after two months?

Ultimately there is no infallible detection of police set ups.

Meet in a public area. If she turns up with a chaperone, eye them both off. Trust your gut.

Although I 100% agree with almost everything Amavida said, and totally endorse his conclusions, I am going to chime in again with one exception; police clearance letters are very common here, as they are a requirement for almost any employment application. I wouldn't take having one as a sign of anything.

[QUOTE=RollAides;1954879]Although I 100% agree with almost everything Amavida said, and totally endorse his conclusions, I am going to chime in again with one exception; police clearance letters are very common here, as they are a requirement for almost any employment application. I wouldn't take having one as a sign of anything.[/QUOTE]Juste to confirm what Roll Aides has said. Filipinos need police clearance for almost anything that involves applying for a job, applying for a passport, and I'm sure an endless list of other things. It is entirely common and should raise no red flags.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1954940]Juste to confirm what Roll Aides has said. Filipinos need police clearance for almost anything that involves applying for a job, applying for a passport, and I'm sure an endless list of other things. It is entirely common and should raise no red flags.

GE.[/QUOTE]I helped 3 girls obtain police clearance ID on my last visit. Cost is approximately p110 (two separate payments of p50 + 60). The police ID is not a card, its printed on a sheet of paper, and includes the girl's picture. The whole process takes 15 minutes (fill out application, pay fees in separate room, show birth certificate and barangay ID or cedula, take pic, print ID, walk away).

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1954940]Juste to confirm what Roll Aides has said. Filipinos need police clearance for almost anything that involves applying for a job, applying for a passport, and I'm sure an endless list of other things. It is entirely common and should raise no red flags.

GE.[/QUOTE]Postal IDs are common but in Greenhills these are easily faked as seen many in my times I also chat cam to cam and have a look, see the surroundings etc (also to make sure no LB).

Passport is the best as needs NBI and birth certificate and that only costs 2500 PHP or thereabouts. And is quick now am told by some who have recently got it.

But what girl brings her passport with her?

As Amavida said, your gut also tells you things, looking at the person and asking a direct question also works for me.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1954995]

As Amavida said, your gut also tells you things, looking at the person and asking a direct question also works for me.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback all, some interesting points.

Our interactions seem fairly normal, no red flags there. She's not coy but not slutty. Seems more than comfortable coming to my condo for an afternoon even thought she's 4 hours away.

What does worry me are two things 1) She's from Gapan City which isn't too far from Angeles (although I don't think she does there), 2) mention of a sister with a Shabu problem in Taguig and 3) she's "lost her school ID.

If it wasn't for that I probably would have met her already.

She says she'll have a proper ID in a month, so I may just wait for that.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1954588]Was not sure where you post this, but here seems as good a place as any.

So I've been chatting with a girl for about 2 months, she's 18 (or so she says), but not by much. She doesn't have a passport or any ID's beyond a Police Clearance letter (no photo) and a Voter Registration letter (with photo). Of course both could be fake. Anyone had any experience with this?

Usually I'd just forget it and err on the side of caution, but I don't want to throw away the chance to bang a fine young (legal) thing without due reason.[/QUOTE]I understand that it could be tempting and I hope apart from the age she is a great looker, these two factors might be tempting you. Having said that why would you take a risk for that one fish when there are so many in the pond. You would be the best judge whether it's worth the risk or not.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1954989]I helped 3 girls obtain police clearance ID on my last visit. Cost is approximately p110 (two separate payments of p50 + 60). The police ID is not a card, its printed on a sheet of paper, and includes the girl's picture. The whole process takes 15 minutes (fill out application, pay fees in separate room, show birth certificate and barangay ID or cedula, take pic, print ID, walk away).[/QUOTE]You left out the lining-up part of the process WC.

Some people spend all day lining up for their 15 minutes of processing.

In Robinson's Galleria in Ortigas on some days one cannot get through the passageway near the processing center for bodies waiting in a line that sometimes extends for 100 meters.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1954077]Soapy Smith has given you excellent advice. Read the thread "Chat rooms and Pen Pals" for advice.

Just a tip before you head off there. If you are too explicit about what you want in your profile, someone will report you and you will be blocked. Pinalove is virtually useless unless you pay for a membership, and that fee might be better spent on a membership of ISG here so that you can PM members and they can PM you.[/QUOTE]Thank you all and sorry for not noticing the right forum.

Speaking of another subject, not that I intend to go for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] pinay, but reading about the prospect of someone who says she's 19 secretly being 17 got me worried. I did some searching and as far as I could dig up, the age of consent in Phils is 12, however for prostitution it's 18, and Philippines have a special agreement with US about reporting and deporting any US citizens caught with someone below 18. So if I'm a citizen of a country with age of consent at 16, resident of a country with age of consent at 15, is the prostitution clause the only one that could potentially apply to me? Or I'm missing some obvious thing? Is the prostitution clause applied to meetings via dating sites if some gifts but no money exchanged hands?

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Greetings Gentlemen,

The Age of Consent is the age in which girls can participate in consensual, non-commercial sex with their teen-age boyfriend without said teen-age boyfriend being charged with statutory [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].

However, the Age of Consent is irrelevant to the members of this forum.

What you need to focus on is the [u]Age of Majority[/u], which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

Please exercise caution and govern yourself accordingly.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

The age of majority will vary depending upon the nature of the activity in which the person is engaged. Thus in the same state or country the age of majority for driving may be sixteen while that for drinking alcoholic beverages may be twenty-one. The law is quite simple for mongers in the Philippines: do not enter into sexual relations with any one under the age of 18.

[QUOTE=Sectoran;1955563]Thank you all and sorry for not noticing the right forum.

Speaking of another subject, not that I intend to go for **** pinay, but reading about the prospect of someone who says she's 19 secretly being 17 got me worried. I did some searching and as far as I could dig up, the age of consent in Phils is 12, however for prostitution it's 18, and Philippines have a special agreement with US about reporting and deporting any US citizens caught with someone below 18. So if I'm a citizen of a country with age of consent at 16, resident of a country with age of consent at 15, is the prostitution clause the only one that could potentially apply to me? Or I'm missing some obvious thing? Is the prostitution clause applied to meetings via dating sites if some gifts but no money exchanged hands?
[/QUOTE]Prostitution is unequivocally ILLEGAL in The Philippines.
It's a third world country with a corrupt judiciary.
Girl says you forced her? You're toast.
Girl says you paid her? You're toast.
Murder is now state sanctioned. Girl takes a dislike to you? Your bullet riddled body will be found in an alley.
Any more questions?

We have some guys here that love to put down the women they hire from the bars. They think that if a punter wants to go out and party or take their rental to dinner the punter suffers from low self esteem. That hookers don't deserve respect for the work they do and that they could get a regular job.

Well this is the reality. This is what they risk on every bar fine. Maybe they don't have the same fate as this unlucky bar girl but they risk verbal and physical abuse at any moment while in the room of a strange man. All to make a decent living and to help their families. Oh, and they are entertainers that make the majority.

Of mongers happy. They risk everything to do this.

[URL]http://pattayaone.news/en/manhunt-young-bar-worker-found-dead-bang-saphan/[/URL]

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1956192]Hi,

I will reach Davao and I'm talking online with a beautiful girl who like to meet me. She is from Tagum. I invited her to spend some days with me in Davao and she told me her parents could be worried. She invited me to meet her parents in Tagum. If I will go to Tagum, her parents will not be worried anymore because they understand I am a good man. But at what do I go toward if I will meet them?

Thanks for some info.[/QUOTE]I don't understand your problem. Go to meet them. They probably want to make sure you are not one of those online perverted trolls and have good intentions with her.

Don't forget to bring gifts for the family as an icebreaker.

I'm not sure about the question, "what do I go toward?

I've usually found meeting family to be an adventure in itself. I've never had a bad experience, although it can be a bit uncomfortable.

Once I was treated to a feast, once I was manipulated into feeding the whole extended family. Every time was different.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1956192]Hi,

I will reach Davao and I'm talking online with a beautiful girl who like to meet me. She is from Tagum. I invited her to spend some days with me in Davao and she told me her parents could be worried. She invited me to meet her parents in Tagum. If I will go to Tagum, her parents will not be worried anymore because they understand I am a good man. But at what do I go toward if I will meet them?

Thanks for some info.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1956532]I'm not sure about the question, "what do I go toward?

I've usually found meeting family to be an adventure in itself. I've never had a bad experience, although it can be a bit uncomfortable.

Once I was treated to a feast, once I was manipulated into feeding the whole extended family. Every time was different.[/QUOTE]I agree. Minimum contingency should be a token gift (box of chocolates) and local restaurant meal for the clan. Anything less goes into savings for the entertainment fund.

Anyone ever heard of anyone who had trouble getting vitamin V into Germany?

Guys,

BH has been PMing a few of the seniors asking questions about Davao and other matters most (all) of which he can find on the board via RTFF. I have steered clear of his PMs as have 2 other seniors who contacted me I did not like the nature of the PMs. And he is still trawling for information.

Just a heads up as have chats with others as seemed to be at the time a serial PM person.

[QUOTE=BestHunter;1956192]Hi,

I will reach Davao and I'm talking online with a beautiful girl who like to meet me. She is from Tagum. I invited her to spend some days with me in Davao and she told me her parents could be worried. She invited me to meet her parents in Tagum. If I will go to Tagum, her parents will not be worried anymore because they understand I am a good man. But at what do I go toward if I will meet them?

Thanks for some info.[/QUOTE]I am sure once you see the neiborhood, and living situation you will get an idea.

Without knowing the minimum it is hard to offer any advise.

Try not to be there to long as you may find yourself paying for all kinds of things. Just remember if you are invited to anything, you are paying for it. And maybe everyone in the block.

Generally if you pay off moms debt at the corner store, and get dad some liquor, they will gift wrap and deliver her for you.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1956552]Anyone ever heard of anyone who had trouble getting vitamin V into Germany?[/QUOTE]This is the Phils boards?

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1956642]Guys,

BH has been PMing a few of the seniors asking questions about Davao and other matters most (all) of which he can find on the board via RTFF. I have steered clear of his PMs as have 2 other seniors who contacted me I did not like the nature of the PMs. And he is still trawling for information.

Just a heads up as have chats with others as seemed to be at the time a serial PM person.[/QUOTE]Hes posting the same questions about a GF in Tagum and should he meet the parents on some of the other boards such Philippines addictions and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] aye at night.

BestHunter or The Hunter is crazy. Like FF says he is posting similar posts in other forums as well. What's special with this dude is that he ask questions and advice only to question, debate and even protest / disagree against advice given to him. Why ask in the first place. I gave up.

I'll go on a 6-8 weeks vacation and looking for a destination to stay at, country and city. I used to live in Bangkok some years and travelled Laos, Cambodia, Burma, Philippines, Singapore. Since I'll stay longer than just two weeks, I'm looking for a good mix of:

- freebies / dating / pickup: Money isn't an issue, I just enjoy chasing normal girls and having some around. It's just a different experience.

- pros / nightlife: Likewise, I appreciate the convenience of P4 P infrastructure when a date went wrong or you just want to pay-and-fuck-and-go.

- relaxation / infrastructure: It's still a vacation and I need to recharge my batteries, so it shouldn't be something completely rural and wild-west. Doesn't necessarily have to be a large city though.

I'm currently leaning towards:

- Philippines: Not sure where exactly, but believe it could be a good mix of all.

- Indonesia: Spent five days in Jakarta before and had some freebies; eager to explore the city / country more.

- Thailand: Always a good mix of all of above.

What do you think?

[QUOTE=Amnesia;1956968]I'll go on a 6-8 weeks vacation and looking for a destination to stay at, country and city. I used to live in Bangkok some years and travelled Laos, Cambodia, Burma, Philippines, Singapore. Since I'll stay longer than just two weeks, I'm looking for a good mix of:

- freebies / dating / pickup: Money isn't an issue, I just enjoy chasing normal girls and having some around. It's just a different experience.

- pros / nightlife: Likewise, I appreciate the convenience of P4 P infrastructure when a date went wrong or you just want to pay-and-fuck-and-go.

- relaxation / infrastructure: It's still a vacation and I need to recharge my batteries, so it shouldn't be something completely rural and wild-west. Doesn't necessarily have to be a large city though...[/QUOTE]How did the vacation in Burma go Amnesia in 2014 (your only other post). Lets us see what info you used from that would be nice as Burma / Myanmar is a place people say is full of beauties.

For the Philippines try reading some of the sections as there has been lots of discourse on what is a better place including those countries you asked about.

Oh! And let have your news on the 2014 trip also or maybe you forgot as your handle suggests LOL.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;1956968]
What do you think?[/QUOTE]Yes! OK. Sounds good. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;1956968]I'll go on a 6-8 weeks vacation and looking for a destination to stay at, country and city. I used to live in Bangkok some years and travelled Laos, Cambodia, Burma, Philippines, Singapore. Since I'll stay longer than just two weeks, I'm looking for a good mix of:

SNIP

What do you think?[/QUOTE]Contact me in PM (when you get it), I have some pertinent info there for you (not on the open board).

[QUOTE=Amnesia;1956968]
What do you think?[/QUOTE]I agree with Hutsori. Sounds like a plan. Go for it LOL.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1957444]I agree with Hutsori. Sounds like a plan. Go for it LOL.[/QUOTE]Don't listen to Red Kilt, he's a mad man. Under no circumstances should you go for it.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1957514]Don't listen to Red Kilt, he's a mad man. Under no circumstances should you go for it.[/QUOTE]Pot calling kettle black CSP LOL? But you should offer Amnesia a PM as you are widely traveled unlike us mere minions.

He did the same FR on the Indonesian board yesterday.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?961-General-Info&p=1956967&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1956967.

No takers so far but he is increasing his FR count to senior very quickly LOL.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;1956968]What do you think?[/QUOTE]I would lean towards Roratunga in the pacific. Its a hidden pearl with naughty free girls. NB! They can be full bodied.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1957514]Don't listen to Red Kilt, he's a mad man. Under no circumstances should you go for it.[/QUOTE]What did I do to deserve such outpourings of love from CSP?

I guess a suitable rejoinder (recalled from my school days) is to say that "it takes one to know one".

In keeping with the school-yard scenario, I could also say that "my father is a policeman and I am going to tell him you're a drug pusher", but that's taking the joke a step too far.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1957663]What did I do to deserve such outpourings of love from CSP?

I guess a suitable rejoinder (recalled from my school days) is to say that "it takes one to know one".

In keeping with the school-yard scenario, I could also say that "my father is a policeman and I am going to tell him you're a drug pusher", but that's taking the joke a step too far.[/QUOTE]Don't worry RK, I'm just trying to throw him off the scent, I get the feeling Amnesia would come and take all the pussies for himself.

Everyone watching the election?

A world made safe for pussy grabbing once again.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1960338]Everyone watching the election?

A world made safe for pussy grabbing once again.[/QUOTE]Please let's not turn any of the Phil threads into a discussion of US politics. Please. Please.

We already have one on Phils Politics and that's enough.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1960348]Please let's not turn any of the Phil threads into a discussion of US politics. Please. Please.

We already have one on Phils Politics and that's enough.[/QUOTE]Haha Brexit! Trump! What's next!

Right on! Sorry, Red.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1960338]Everyone watching the election?

A world made safe for pussy grabbing once again.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1960338]Everyone watching the election?

A world made safe for pussy grabbing once again.[/QUOTE]Preach it, brother!

Not to worry RK, the sentiment is a social, not a political one. I don't know if you have SJW's in Australia, but watching these people cry makes me feel fresh and happy inside. I find the fact that the president elect of the USA is an avowed pussy-grabber, to be deeply satisfying.

Traveling soon and don't see anything on the boards here for the area called General Santos? I found a few things online but mostly restaurant and hotel info. What is the area generally like and is there much opportunity for finding nice ladies?

Thanks, Daz.

[QUOTE=Dazhiba;1961203]Traveling soon and don't see anything on the boards here for the area called General Santos? I found a few things online but mostly restaurant and hotel info. What is the area generally like and is there much opportunity for finding nice ladies?

Thanks, Daz.[/QUOTE]General Santos (GES) is considered the Tuna capital. Its Tuna, Tuna and not much mongering going on down there. If you absolutely have to go there I would most def use dating sites in the hunt for girls. I am sure there are establishments with girls in GES as well but I don't visit them anyway so didn't look for any. GES isn't prepped for us horny western guys (at least not hordes of us). Girls from GES tends to be quite attractive and tend to be more high-rise than normal Phil standards (based on a very sparse and subjective survey).

[QUOTE=Dazhiba;1961203]Traveling soon and don't see anything on the boards here for the area called General Santos? I found a few things online but mostly restaurant and hotel info. What is the area generally like and is there much opportunity for finding nice ladies?

Thanks, Daz.[/QUOTE]Small potatos. Don't bother if mongering is your choice. What kind of 'nice ladies' are you looking for?

[QUOTE=Dazhiba;1961203]Traveling soon and don't see anything on the boards here for the area called General Santos? I found a few things online but mostly restaurant and hotel info. What is the area generally like and is there much opportunity for finding nice ladies.[/QUOTE]If you must go to Southern Philippines to meet someone, stay in Davao City and request her to come to you.

As WC said, don't bother going there unless you are interested I seeing a large tuna fishing port.

Too much random lawlessness potential in areas all around there, and if you are not familiar with the area you are taking a risk. You should be OK if you stay in the confines of Davao City, and in a reasonable hotel.

I'd echo what WC and RK wrote, and just add you could probably find a 'nice girl' or two in GenSan if you lived there. Problem with that is, I've never seen any apartments. You might be able to find a house to rent but it's pretty much a Philippine city for Filipinos. You would be the only one of your kind in the neighborhood. Allot of eyes will be on you where ever you go. Restaurants are few, except for some standard chains in the malls. The malls are the center of the universe there, not much else to do. And night time is absolutely dead. In the short term, you could probably get some text mates by handing out your number. But before you get anyone to your place, you'd probably first have to convince her you're not a sex maniak. If you're not, fine, but I wouldn't suggest lying to try to get your way. They tend to be curious about foreigners but scared to actually go out. You could try the sites for a quick shag but you don't need to travel all the way to the southern most city to do that. For what it's worth, I heard it's under real tight security now, allot of men with rifles around the malls. Lake Sebu has a nice waterfall but it's far away and may not be a good idea to go there now. Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=Dazhiba;1961203]Traveling soon and don't see anything on the boards here for the area called General Santos? I found a few things online but mostly restaurant and hotel info. What is the area generally like and is there much opportunity for finding nice ladies?

Thanks, Daz.[/QUOTE]I agree with the recommendations not to go there. But if you're stuck with going there, I recommend working the online dating sites about a week or two in advance and double booking your prospects. Good luck.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1961243]

As WC said, don't bother going there unless you are interested I seeing a large tuna fishing port.[/QUOTE]A large tuna port with not much tuna, incidentally. I hope that's changed by now.

[QUOTE=Dazhiba;1961203]Traveling soon and don't see anything on the boards here for the area called General Santos? I found a few things online but mostly restaurant and hotel info. What is the area generally like and is there much opportunity for finding nice ladies?

Thanks, Daz.[/QUOTE]Don't confuse the main aim of travel in Philippines is to maximise YOUR excitement, adventure and womanising, not to be sweet to provincial girls. Any Philippines city or regional town has a plethora of punting and dating options.

A visit to GenSan or any town will require you to lose a day in transit, getting frustrated with taxi drivers, pilots, check-in staff etc etc. Let the girls be the ones to deal with this.

I myself do regularly visit provincial Philippines but it is for my purposes and the girls are secondary. There are millions of girls whom want to meet you.

BD.

A while back in the BKK forum a west coast American had posted it took him 2 weeks to adjust back to PST. Meanwhile there was no jet lag going to BKK.

I have the same problem. Going to PH requires no adjustment. First few nights in Ph I get a 2 hour in the room massages and sleep well. Prior to the massages I unload on a few girls. Maybe this routine helps a bit.

On the the return trip I find myself needling a mid afternoon 2-3 hour nap for a couple of weeks. Of course no massages and poon.

Does anyone have a routine that lessens the jet lag?

[QUOTE=Dazhiba;1961203]Traveling soon and don't see anything on the boards here for the area called General Santos? I found a few things online but mostly restaurant and hotel info. What is the area generally like and is there much opportunity for finding nice ladies?

Thanks, Daz.[/QUOTE] a guy on youtube goes to General Santos or gensan alot. His YouTube blog is called the Philippine experience. He has a lot of informative information.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1961973]A while back in the BKK forum a west coast American had posted it took him 2 weeks to adjust back to PST. Meanwhile there was no jet lag going to BKK.

I have the same problem. Going to PH requires no adjustment. First few nights in Ph I get a 2 hour in the room massages and sleep well. Prior to the massages I unload on a few girls. Maybe this routine helps a bit.

On the the return trip I find myself needling a mid afternoon 2-3 hour nap for a couple of weeks. Of course no massages and poon.

Does anyone have a routine that lessens the jet lag?[/QUOTE]No routine. The older I get, the worse my jetlag is. When I travel from America to phils, it takes 2 full weeks to get off American time and onto Phils time. When I return, it takes 3 weeks to re-adjust. If I'm only in phils a few days, I just stay on American time, sleeping during the day and staying up all night (I awake about 10 pm and go back to sleep about 2 pm). That way I'm still on American time when I return home. However, when I'm there for a month or more, I fully adjust to Asian time, then re-adjust when I return home. I have tried everything when I return home, including trying to force myself to stay awake during the daytime, and ambien-ing myself in the night to sleep; however none of this works. It takes a full week upon my return before my sleep time starts to shift towards night time (after 1 week home, about 30 minutes per day my sleep time starts to shift, first from going to sleep around 2 pm, then the next day about 2:30 pm, and so on).

I have friends who have never experienced jetlag. Amazing.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1962074]No routine. The older I get, the worse my jetlag is. When I travel from America to phils, it takes 2 full weeks to get off American time and onto Phils time. When I return, it takes 3 weeks to re-adjust. If I'm only in phils a few days, I just stay on American time, sleeping during the day and staying up all night (I awake about 10 pm and go back to sleep about 2 pm). That way I'm still on American time when I return home. However, when I'm there for a month or more, I fully adjust to Asian time, then re-adjust when I return home. I have tried everything when I return home, including trying to force myself to stay awake during the daytime, and ambien-ing myself in the night to sleep; however none of this works. It takes a full week upon my return before my sleep time starts to shift towards night time (after 1 week home, about 30 minutes per day my sleep time starts to shift, first from going to sleep around 2 pm, then the next day about 2:30 pm, and so on).

I have friends who have never experienced jetlag. Amazing.[/QUOTE]I read an article a few years ago on the bio-mechanics of Circadian Rhythms. It claimed that human bodies require approximately one day per time zone crossed to re-adjust completely. The time difference between here and the East Coast of the US is 13 hours now, which would mean a 13 day period of adjustment. I find, then when I do fly back to the States, it's much worse the older I become.

GE.

Yet another reason why I have not been back there in over 2 years.

Jet lag is a medical condition. So I have my doctor in the USA prescribe 10 MG Ambien for my long transpacific flights to ensure I get 4 or 5 hours sleep en route before arrival in SEA. Once in Manila or BKK I pre schedule a nice little reunion with one of my favorite girls. After she leaves I try to stay up to 1 am. Then to avoid a night of tossing and turning and no sleep, I take another 10 MG Ambien. Result: I am out like a light and I wake up early in the morning the next day around 7 am feeling good, raring to go. NO JET LAG! I can then sleep normally without pharmaceutical aid the rest of the trip. I repeat the process on the return flight with the same level of success. By the way GE is correct, the effects of Jet Lag can be far worse on the return flight if not treated.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1962212]Jet lag is a medical condition. So I have my doctor in the USA prescribe 10 MG Ambien for my long transpacific flights to ensure I get 4 or 5 hours sleep en route before arrival in SEA. Once in Manila or BKK I pre schedule a nice little reunion with one of my favorite girls. After she leaves I try to stay up to 1 am. Then to avoid a night of tossing and turning and no sleep, I take another 10 MG Ambien. Result: I am out like a light and I wake up early in the morning the next day around 7 am feeling good, raring to go. NO JET LAG! I can then sleep normally without pharmaceutical aid the rest of the trip. I repeat the process on the return flight with the same level of success. By the way GE is correct, the effects of Jet Lag can be far worse on the return flight if not treated.[/QUOTE]I have tried this method, of trying to ambien-ing myself to sleep around midnight (both when arriving in phils, and then arriving back again at home), for several nights running. It works per-se, in that in knocks me out for about 5-6 hours, and I awake relatively refreshed at 7 am. But by noon-2 pm I am wiped out, can't keep my eyes open, and I go right back to sleep. My sleep rhythm has been thrown off completely by adjusting to the previous time zone.

A decade ago, GE's suggested 1 day per time zone difference was about spot on. Hence a 15 (or 16, depending Daylight Savings Time) hours difference from phils to the US west coast, took me about 10 days to adjust when going to phils, and 14 or 15 days to adjust when going to the US. Older now, and that's now 14 or 15 days to adjust when arriving in phils, and 20 days to adjust when arriving back in the US. Regardless the direction (now), the first week of my arrival there is no movement on the daily schedule towards normalizing -- for about 6 days running, I will go to sleep around noon-2 pm, and awake fresh around 9-11 pm (wide awake at night, no relief without ambien). I always try to plan my arrival back in the States to allow me one extra week of vacation before returning for trabajo.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1962244]Regardless the direction (now), the first week of my arrival there is no movement on the daily schedule towards normalizing -- for about 6 days running, I will go to sleep around noon-2 pm, and awake fresh around 9-11 pm (wide awake at night, no relief without ambien). I always try to plan my arrival back in the States to allow me one extra week of vacation before returning for trabajo.[/QUOTE]The Jet Lag you describe is really uncomfortable. I hate those sleepless nights and being tired in the afternoons. I discovered a natural painless solution one trip to SEA when I arrived without my medication in Hong Kong. I transferred that afternoon to Macau. Later that same night I could not sleep. It was horrible. So after a couple of hours of tossing and turning, I put on my clothes and went out. It was after 3 am. First I hit my favorite Sauna and had a neck massage, then thigh massage (HJ), and later full service. I left the Sauna around 5 am tired, but feeling pretty good. Next, I wandered over to the Wynn Casino Hotel. The place was still busy with inveterate Chinese gamblers. I walked around the casino and eventually I went to the Wynn's Red 8 Restaurant where I ate a mouth watering BBQ Duck with spicy wonton soup. I left the Wynn around 6 am as the sun was coming up and took it relatively easy until I passed out in my hotel room around 2 pm. The next night it was the same thing. I couldn't fall asleep at an appropriate time, but rather than toss and turn I went out again at 3:30 am and hit a different Sauna. Later around 5 am I had an amazing noodle soup with spicy pork belly on the side at the Grand Lisboa noodle restaurant. I left the Grand Lisboa again as the sun was coming up. There is something about the sun that awakens one and I wandered around Macau until noon. This time I took a nap around 4 pm, woke up at 8 pm and repeated the 2 previous nights activities more or less.

My point is that slowly over time I noticed my body was acclimating to the new time zone and I could fall asleep naturally at an appropriate hour so I no longer felt tired and prone to falling asleep in the late afternoons. I believe the reason I felt no jet lag pain or discomfort on that trip was because I went with the flow and did not try to force a time change on my body. And significantly because I was in Macau, a city that does not sleep and where there is always something interesting to do at any hour so psychologically I didn't care if I was up at 4 or 5am and could not sleep. I spent 5 nights in Macau that trip. By the time I flew on to BKK, I was pretty much over the jet lag. When I arrived in BKK I was falling asleep without any medication at around 2:30 am and I was no longer walking around in the afternoon like a zombie. Getting over jet lag, naturally, takes time. Not trying to force myself to sleep when sleep was not possible and finding something worthwhile to do late at night and in the early predawn hours was very important and it made the jet lag tolerable and even a minor thing. I hope this helps.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1962074]No routine. The older I get, the worse my jetlag is. I have friends who have never experienced jetlag. Amazing.[/QUOTE]As some of you know I fly a lot sometimes more than 200000 miles a year in aircraft to which friends think I use them to commute to work LOL.

As Westie knows I don't suffer from jet lag (maybe am lucky) but my 'trick' (if it is one) is not use medicines but to 'force' my body clock into the time zone that I am to arrive in.

So say I am flying from Manila to NYC I know the time in NYC when I depart the Philippines. I then stay awake, sleep whatever as though am in NYC. I sleep when my watch tells me it is bed time in USA not wherever I am.

This can be awkward at times if transits are long and take practice but I find this work.

Recently did a 28 hour stretch on 3 planes arrived at 5 pm, went to bed 9. 30 pm and woke 6 am. Went for a swim, shops, played tennis for a few hours, dinner with friends and was feeling great and then was in bed 11 pm the next day. No jet lag. And I had a nice cutie with me also LOL.

Now as we all know in mongering YMMV and the same for this. Each person is different and some techniques work better than others as we all have different rhythms etc- for me this does and I have been doing this travel schedule over 20 years now.

Anything to do in Manila when not jet lagged?

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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1962355]..played tennis for a few hours... [/QUOTE]Hahaha, yeah. Otherwise, flying frequently enough will inure you to the worst of jet-lag.

Been to the Phils several times but not since Duturte new shoot any one laws went into effect. Is it safe to go there now? Keep hearing any one can walk up and shoot you. I really want to go but if it's that dangerous I'll just go to Thailand or Jakarta.

[QUOTE=W20415;1963421]Been to the Phils several times but not since Duturte new shoot any one laws went into effect. Is it safe to go there now? Keep hearing any one can walk up and shoot you. I really want to go but if it's that dangerous I'll just go to Thailand or Jakarta.[/QUOTE]I was there for 2-3 weeks last month. Nobody walked up and shot me, same as previous trips. YMMV.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1962418]Anything to do in Manila when not jet lagged?[/QUOTE]BD, as I am sure you are well aware, there is lots to do in Manila when you are feeling good. The question relevant to the conversation is; what to do in Manila when one is jet lagged and can't sleep. Off the top of my head I can suggest Burgos Bars up until closing time (3 am), LA Cafe (all night), and City of Dreams gambling complex (all night) for food, and possible early morning FL pickup. I am sure there are other possibilities. Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=W20415;1963421]Been to the Phils several times but not since Duturte new shoot any one laws went into effect. Is it safe to go there now? Keep hearing any one can walk up and shoot you. I really want to go but if it's that dangerous I'll just go to Thailand or Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Most of the shootings takes place in squatter areas of lets say Manilas barangays and shit. If you walked in those areas pre, during or post DU30 you would most likely end up in a box anyway. Foreigners aren't reported whacked to my knowledge so far. But since I presume you will stay in touristic / sextistic areas of pines you will (most likely) be fine as long as you don't use, store or sell drugs. Happy pooing.

[QUOTE=W20415;1963421]Been to the Phils several times but not since Duturte new shoot any one laws went into effect. Is it safe to go there now? Keep hearing any one can walk up and shoot you. I really want to go but if it's that dangerous I'll just go to Thailand or Jakarta.[/QUOTE]If you think it is unsafe then it must be as nes't pas? Life as usual and people all happy that duggies are being killed it seems, so unless you wander around the bad areas don't.

And you ask a lot of questions in your 30 odd FRs even when you have visited here many times before as you have family here you said so surely they would know? Have a view? Just wondering as last time you were worried about being blacklisted etc.

Confusing me.

[QUOTE=Vitaplex;1963445]Most of the shootings takes place in squatter areas of lets say Manilas barangays and shit. If you walked in those areas pre, during or post DU30 you would most likely end up in a box anyway. Foreigners aren't reported whacked to my knowledge so far. But since I presume you will stay in touristic / sextistic areas of pines you will (most likely) be fine as long as you don't use, store or sell drugs. Happy pooing.[/QUOTE]Agreed. These shootings are in lower class neighborhoods well away from tourists. An example would be Barangay Ermita, adjoining Carbon Market.

I have a Filipino martial arts teacher in a neighborhood where he works as a tanod (like a neighborhood watch). He told me of drug users coming into the area from elsewhere to do drugs. This was the same place where Jaguar, the notorious druglord lived and did business. This neighborhood, Duljo / Fatima, is definitely off the tourist track--you'd have to look for it to find it, and there's nothing there to interest tourists.

No drug pusher ever gets shot at Ayala or SM Mall, on the beaches of Mactan, at the Fuente, etc.

[QUOTE=W20415;1963421]Been to the Phils several times but not since Duturte new shoot any one laws went into effect. Is it safe to go there now? Keep hearing any one can walk up and shoot you. I really want to go but if it's that dangerous I'll just go to Thailand or Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Filipinos have always had a very tough attitude toward criminals, particularly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127][CodeWord127][/url] and killers. There was the case of the heavily armed gang that was hitting up banks and armored cars. Philippine cops take this very seriously, and are not looking to make arrests in these circumstances. In an intense shootout, several members of the gang were killed--overkilled, actually. One of the crew was wounded in the leg. The cops weren't in a hurry to get him treatment, so the leg had to be amputated. When he was on trial they never provided him with a wheelchair--he had to be carried around in a wooden chair.

If anything, I feel safer now. If you're a drug dealer, your days are numbered. And if you were to kill a tourist, God hep you. President Duterte and his right hand man, "Bato," (alias, Rock), have sent a very clear message that crime will not be tolerated. DU30 ran and won on that very clear message, with the strong support of the country.

Criminals know to keep a low profile, and many have surrendered because they realize leadership at the top is dead serious.

[QUOTE=SergeantRay;1963640]If anything, I feel safer now. If you're a drug dealer, your days are numbered.

DU30 ran and won on that very clear message, with the strong support of the country.

Criminals know to keep a low profile, and many have surrendered because they realize leadership at the top is dead serious.[/QUOTE]What you said is what many say but for some (a small minority on the board) the view is 180 degrees different from you.

Yet for some who are scared silly maybe there is a more subtle issue at play as you sort of suggest.

I'm looking for a change of scenery and not looking to go to a beach type-place. Will be working 80% of the time via computer. Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=SergeantRay;1963640]{S N I P}If anything, I feel safer now. If you're a drug dealer, your days are numbered. And if you were to kill a tourist, God hep you. President Duterte and his right hand man, "Bato," (alias, Rock), have sent a very clear message that crime will not be tolerated.{S N I P}.[/QUOTE]I wonder what the likely outcome would be if you (unintentionally) seriously pissed off a girl and she decided to frame you.

There would a reasonable likelihood that someone in her or her friends' extended family being in LE. The girl tells the LE guy or close family member that you met her and repeatedly offered her drugs, and even produces a small amount of the drug as evidence.

Infinitesimally small odds? Or something to include in your risk assessment of mongering in the PI? In a similar vein, we do know that false under-age and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] accusations have been made in the past and members take precautions to prevent these problems.

Ikks.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1964772]I wonder what the likely outcome would be if you (unintentionally) seriously pissed off a girl and she decided to frame you.

There would a reasonable likelihood that someone in her or her friends' extended family being in LE. The girl tells the LE guy or close family member that you met her and repeatedly offered her drugs, and even produces a small amount of the drug as evidence.

Infinitesimally small odds? Or something to include in your risk assessment of mongering in the PI?[/QUOTE]Good point Ikks.

As someone who lives here, I have changed my MO completely now to take account of this very possibility. Definitely NOT infinitesimally small odds.

I know an example of a bar / g from Malabon who did just that very thing to a guy who short-changed her because she only delivered half of what she said she would.
She pointed him out as a drug-pusher.
He has never seen or used any drugs in his life. It freaked him out, and he actually left the country very quickly because the risks are no longer low and unsubstantial.

[QUOTE=Random99;1964754]I'm looking for a change of scenery and not looking to go to a beach type-place. Will be working 80% of the time via computer. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]If you just want to go exploring I would go to Cebu Pacific Airlines website and see which cities they fly to and pick out a few.

I will be headed to General Santos area in a few months and would like to know about the place. Adult fun spots? Safety? Best deals for a reasonable hotel? Thanks, Daz.

[QUOTE=Dazhiba;1965507]I will be headed to General Santos area in a few months and would like to know about the place. Adult fun spots? Safety? Best deals for a reasonable hotel? Thanks, Daz.[/QUOTE]I have read your previous posts, and IMHO, GSC is way too dangerous a destination for a monger with non-existent or very limited Mindanao experience.

Ikks

[QUOTE=Dazhiba;1965507]I will be headed to General Santos area in a few months and would like to know about the place. Adult fun spots? Safety? Best deals for a reasonable hotel? Thanks, Daz.[/QUOTE]You sent the same message (almost) on Post 10501 on this thread and got a heap of replies advising you not to go.

Didn't you see them or are you some sort of "adventure junkie who likes to live on the edge"?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1965524]You sent the same message (almost) on Post 10501 on this thread and got a heap of replies advising you not to go.

Didn't you see them or are you some sort of "adventure junkie who likes to live on the edge"?[/QUOTE]He is a manager RK as a look at the FR history shows little in way of giving back etc.

For some they never read theEr replies and just cherry pick what they want while living in a fantasy land of "it will be OK etc" or "is different as it is me not others".

I would let him go to GSC as he clearly he ignores sensible advice and with these type of people where reasoning and intellect are ignored, I tend to let them figure it out the hard way instead. He is a senior member after all (well 27 FRs of basically nothing qualifies you) and should be able to figure our life himself (we assume he is a grown up). Once he goes there, had trouble, maybe worse he can't blame anyone but himself can he?

[QUOTE=Dazhiba;1965507]I will be headed to General Santos area in a few months and would like to know about the place. Adult fun spots? Safety? Best deals for a reasonable hotel? Thanks, Daz.[/QUOTE]Mindanao Region and vicinity. Avoid all travel.

Global Affairs Canada advises against all travel to the Mindanao Region, excluding urban areas of Davao City due to the serious threat of terrorist attacks and kidnapping. The Government of Canada's ability to provide consular assistance in this region is limited.

There is a serious risk of terrorist attacks and kidnappings in this region. Bombs causing deaths and injuries have exploded in public areas of major centres, including the cities of Cotabato, Cagayan de Oro, Davao, Kidapawan, Zamboanga, General Santos, Jolo and Isabela. On September 2, 2016, an explosion at a street market outside the Marco Polo hotel in Davao left 14 people dead and dozens injured. Avoid the area, monitor local media and follow the advice of local authorities.

Clashes occur between insurgent groups, and between armed groups and security forces. These incidents often result in deaths and property destruction, and innocent bystanders have occasionally been taken hostage.

Several foreigners have been kidnapped in this region.

[QUOTE=Dazhiba;1965507]I will be headed to General Santos area in a few months[/QUOTE]1. Why?

2. Probably you shouldn't go there as a first-time Mindanao visitor (see other gent's responses).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1965817]1. Why?

2. Probably you shouldn't go there as a first-time Mindanao visitor (see other gent's responses).[/QUOTE]Now now now. Let's encourage all newbies to scout out new territories and to report back. Senior members should pool funds together to provide a small ransom policy (50,000 php).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1965817]1. Why?[/QUOTE]The answer to the question guides my response to the OP's question. Is he going because he has to (ie, trabajo)? For a girl?

[QUOTE=Random99;1964754]I'm looking for a change of scenery and not looking to go to a beach type-place. Will be working 80% of the time via computer. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Davao, Cebu, or Makati if you need a great internet connection. Otherwise, many medium-size towns in Central Visayas.

I did RTFF but couldn't find much on this topic. Do Philippine girls speak much English? I like at least a little communication, especially for LT. I haven't been anywhere in Asia yet and I'm trying to decided between Thailand and the Philippines.

Filipinos speak enough English for you to take them to your hotel and do whatever you will want to do.

[QUOTE=TreadingWater;1967640] Do Philippine girls speak much English? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TreadingWater;1967640]I did RTFF but couldn't find much on this topic. Do Philippine girls speak much English? I like at least a little communication, especially for LT. I haven't been anywhere in Asia yet and I'm trying to decided between Thailand and the Philippines.[/QUOTE]You've seriously been through Google and the Forum and have not found an answer to this?

The Philippines has been American colony (as Commonwealth) in the past, English is an official second language, and most Filipinos speak at least some of it, many fluently. Filipinos also have several American-culture feats.

In Thailand this is much less common, but still okay.

Enjoy,

D

[QUOTE=TreadingWater;1967640]I did RTFF but couldn't find much on this topic. Do Philippine girls speak much English? I like at least a little communication, especially for LT. I haven't been anywhere in Asia yet and I'm trying to decided between Thailand and the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Compared to Thailand, Philippines has good no of people who speak English, the very fact that all majors US financial institutions have a call center / BPO based in Philippines states the level of English that is spoken in the country. If you choice is going to based on the language then go for Philippines.

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Straight off the bat.

Gensan is "Yer Ole Blue Jeans" type Filipino City.

Country Blues and a hillbilly taint. In addition to Tuna!

"Smell that, son?"

I spent 1/14-3+/14 and 4/15-5+/15 in Gensan with (wife) family plus.

My home base was / shall be Greenleaf Hotel.

Next to "Mannys Gym". Come on, Pac-Man Pacquiao, across from SM General Santos.

Near KCC and Robinsons. ALL the women from Digos to Koronadal to all points navigable.

3 Malls covering countless sq km and countless poor, yet hopeful and upwardly fertile ladies from Puroks a plenty.

Within a sq km.

Well if that square mile or 1000 aren't the safest in the Phils. Including Davao City. It's as close as you get.

Remember, North, East and South and West only to Polomolok.

Nobody screws with Mannys Territory.

Which is all great. Davao to Gensan, Gensan west (Polomolok), Gensan south to Glan or Maasin.

No problem and it's some of the most beautiful scenery you can find.

The entire area is covered. Safe commerce trumps hate.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't extend a railway all the way (from proposed CDO-Davao City Line) to Gensan.

It is as perfectly situated a municipality there is in the Phils.

Manny plus geography in aksyon!

Mongering is hit and miss, from my limited yet informed perspective.

Got rides from Calumpang (look it up) to Greenleaf twice a day. Saw all the sites (within the safe zone).

My shots, over 12 weeks; 25+. Total score, 2. One from SM (1200 plus lunch for 4 hrs, a gift from above) and a friend of the family at a b'day party for who knows who I paid for. (she was a throw in. ?

Unbelievably beautiful women.

Takeaway: Gensan is good, as safe as can be, up and coming, nobody messes around.

In any way, to any degree. It is very low key, yet a growing bounty of fine pineapples ripen daily at the malls.

You get what you find, one good bar (was 4 Sisters and is now 4 Sisters and One Brother!. Buzz kill).

No apparent word of mouth. All malling.

Magandang Gensan!

See you in March.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1965516]I have read your previous posts, and IMHO, GSC is way too dangerous a destination for a monger with non-existent or very limited Mindanao experience.

Ikks[/QUOTE]To IKKS.

GSO is a famous fishing port for long range tuna ship to the Indian ocean, maybe he is going there to fish for some big eye tuna not fishing for fish tacos.

Fast Eddie 48.

Hi guys,

Just a post on a trip I am having to highlight some of the risks and rewards of taking a multi day / week trip with a BG.

During my last trip to Sabang I floated the idea to one of the BG's of coming with me on a two week trip to Coron and Alona Beach when I returned to PI. I wanted to know if she would be OK travelling at that time (ie now) or if she would want to stay in Sabang for the busy High Season. She said she was keen to have a holiday and would be fine with skipping work. Obviously I would be covering all expenses She was OK with 10 k peso per week with no additional bar fine payable.

Flights were booked and a couple of emails confirmed meeting points and times when I returned to NAIA.

We flew to Coron and the first few days were pretty uneventful. I went diving every second day and she remained back in the room and provided great service when ever I was back. Unfortunately as the days went by her attitude slowly dropped away. The lack of competition in town lead to her developing a Princess Complex and issuing demands on where we were eating and what we were doing during the day. Needless to say, this pissed me off no end. It got to the point that I actually paid her for the first week and told her to forget about the rest of the holiday. When she realized that she wasn't on a sure thing and that I was fully prepared cut my losses, her attitude immediately changed for the better and profuse excuses and apologies ensued.

I later realized that my choice of location and room had made the situation worse. There is nothing to do in Coron for non divers and our room didn't even have a TV. To make matters worse internet connections (both 3 G and WiFi) were horrendous. Basically she had absolutely nothing to do and no way to chat / message her friends or more importantly maintain business contacts with her boyfriends / other Johns.

When in Coron some other issues that I hadn't considered also popped up:

I should have reminded her not to bring sexy clothes. BG day wear of boob tubes and micro shorts definitely raise eyebrows around a small town.

Having her around killed any opportunity for general catching up or banter with civilians during the day. Other tourists I met and chatted with on the dive boats were very reluctant to sit around and talk with an obvious BG at the table.

The Service was great but after a few days some level of conversation would have been good. I'm not talking solving world hunger but general conversation was pretty much non existent.

We then transferred to Alona / Bohol. It was funny watching her do a junky trying to score impression during the walk / run through town looking to buy Load. She'd been 2 days without connection!! The room here is much better and the place has more facilities so things seem to have settled down and now we are both enjoying ourselves.

In summary, if you are going to take a BG for a holiday:

Pick the destination carefully. Its your cash and time but I've always found that a happier girl leads to better service and generally less stress all round.

Consider how much interaction you want / will have with normal civilians. The more obvious the commercial relationship, the more unlikely you are going to be able to meet or generally chat with other tourists.

How comfortable are you for her to maintain business relationships during the holiday? I'm very upfront with the girl about this not being a BF / GF relationship and am totally OK with her maintaining contacts. I actually find it amusing the various calls to boyfriends expressing undying love one after the other and the language changes as the various time zones come alive. I don't think it's realistic to expect her to drop all contacts for several weeks.

Have a bail out plan and make sure she is aware that you have options should she start to give you the $hits. The girl you know for a night or two in a crowded red light district where you can easily trade her out will not be the same girl after several days in a quiet town where it seems you have no other choice than her.

And most importantly. What do you want from the girl. Decide on this upfront and then choose appropriately. A full on party girl may not be the one to mix with normal tourists nor blend in around town.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Goferring;1969892]Hi guys,

Just a post on a trip I am having to highlight some of the risks and rewards of taking a multi day / week trip with a BG. [/QUOTE]I take 2 girls so they have company. Last time I did it with sisters. BTW when I can I target BG's who have been left alone by their "boyfriend" who went diving. They are happy to get a quick 1000 and nobody is any the wiser.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1965516]I have read your previous posts, and IMHO, GSC is way too dangerous a destination for a monger with non-existent or very limited Mindanao experience.

Ikks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1969524]To IKKS.

GSO is a famous fishing port for long range tuna ship to the Indian ocean, maybe he is going there to fish for some big eye tuna not fishing for fish tacos.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]It's the home of something else too. ISIS has a branch in the Philippines called Ansarul Khilafah. They are based in South Cotabato province, Sarangani province and General Santos City. I've heard they have announced they will try to conduct kidnappings in GenSan and Davao, and Duterte is trying to address it.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1970023]BTW when I can I target BG's who have been left alone by their "boyfriend" who went diving. They are happy to get a quick 1000 and nobody is any the wiser.[/QUOTE]I like the cut of this guy's jib!

[QUOTE=Goferring;1969892]Hi guys,

Just a post on a trip I am having to highlight some of the risks and rewards of taking a multi day / week trip with a BG.

During my last trip to Sabang I floated the idea to one of the BG's of coming with me on a two week trip to Coron and Alona Beach when I returned to PI. I wanted to know if she would be OK travelling at that time (ie now) or if she would want to stay in Sabang for the busy High Season. She said she was keen to have a holiday and would be fine with skipping work. Obviously I would be covering all expenses She was OK with 10 k peso per week with no additional bar fine payable.[/QUOTE]Also, when traveling with any girl (bar girl or regular girl) for the first time is something you want to limit to 2 or 3 nights (not more). Next time with that girl, a week. Taking a girl for longer on a first trip will either be sensational, or can turn bad (ala Gofer and similar). I would even hesitate to take one of my hotties on a 2-week anything, and I know several who I get along well with (for a few days at a time), but who knows what she's like away from home / friends for a week or two.

For all of you Virgin Hunters, there is an 18 year old on Seeking Arrangement selling hers for the low low price of only 4,000,000 php (80,530 USD). I'd rate her a 6-7.

Some of these girls are really out of touch with reality. Or maybe I am?

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1970023]BTW when I can I target BG's who have been left alone by their "boyfriend" who went diving. They are happy to get a quick 1000 and nobody is any the wiser.[/QUOTE]This girl would never do that. She loves me and only me. Well maybe only me and the 100 other guys in her Contact list. LOL.

All's going well now but if I had known the local conditions before hand, yes I would have taken two to Coron and / or rotated teams for a week in Coron then a week in Alona.

Cheer.

[QUOTE=Goferring;1969892]Hi guys,

Just a post on a trip I am having to highlight some of the risks and rewards of taking a multi day / week trip with a BG.[/QUOTE]There is good information in your post. Last year I took a girl from AC on a trip to Mindanao and had a wonderful time. I had met her on a previous trip before in AC.

A) She met me at NAIA and we overnighted at Victori Court, for a catchup session.

B) Prior to the trip I sent her some money so she could buy some clothes and cover her away from work expenses.

C) On the trip she had a friend to talk with.

D) By the end of a week, it was getting tiring.

I think as (visiting) foreigners we do enjoy the variety of filipina, so one girl does limit our fun threshold.

Yes, I would do this again, maybe less than one week though.

BD.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1970280]For all of you Virgin Hunters, there is an 18 year old on Seeking Arrangement selling hers for the low low price of only 4,000,000 php (80,530 USD). I'd rate her a 6-7.

Some of these girls are really out of touch with reality. Or maybe I am?[/QUOTE]Her price is not as outrageous as it seems. A lot of guys marry these so-called virgins and take them back to their homeland where community property laws allow the girl to get an automatic 50 percent of the virgin hunter's assets upon divorce. So, let's say the guy has a house and lot worth $300,000 USD, the formerly virgin ex-wife gets at least $150,000 or about 7,443,525 pesos.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1970307]There is good information in your post. Last year I took a girl from AC on a trip to Mindanao and had a wonderful time. I had met her on a previous trip before in AC.

A) She met me at NAIA and we overnighted at Victori Court, for a catchup session.

B) Prior to the trip I sent her some money so she could buy some clothes and cover her away from work expenses.

C) On the trip she had a friend to talk with.

D) By the end of a week, it was getting tiring.

I think as (visiting) foreigners we do enjoy the variety of filipina, so one girl does limit our fun threshold.

Yes, I would do this again, maybe less than one week though.

BD.[/QUOTE]I had one week with her in Angeles on a previous trip and had a wonderful time. This time one week in a condo in Manila and second week also in a condo in Boracuy. I don't dive so we went everywhere together and the latter part of week two she showed signs of becoming less cooperative. I was paying her 3 K salary per day and would not allow her to use the phone in my presence. So, no appointments with Johns or romantic conversations with them. She interacted well with other couples so we had no problems socially as I introduced as my girlfriend. In Emails I expressed annoyance at her lack of cooperation but she assured me that she had done that unknowingly and she will be better. In February 2017, I plan 3 weeks with her and I hope I am not pushing it. My thanks to the OP for making me aware of the pitfalls and I plan to be more assertive this time.

With interest reading BM Goferring's post. Interesting and educational to new BMs.

Bringing a girl on a trip is really a hit and miss. Even if you try screen the girl out prior to leaving together my strong point is "WTF are we going to talk about now"? These last words was exactly my thoughts bringing my first girl on a 4 days to Boracay a few years back. Even though she wasn't a bar girl or a FL (at least she didn't come forward as one) as she worked in perfumery I found out our world collided after a day or two. I am used to only 2-3 hrs encounters with Phil girls, then switch, because then one don't run out of common phrases or polite shit to cover the off session time. This problem really did arise after a day or two.

On my actual trip the girl was nice and very playful. No problem there. But as long as one can't do naughty biz 24/7 one need to do some general banter once in a while. One could of course choose to go the odd silent way, fine by me, but at least this girl seemed afraid from silence bla bla blaing all the time. Well after a while I was tired from discussing Korean soap stars, Phil got talent and how great phil food is (I hate that crap, my personal meaning). I found playing cards was a great timepasser (reversed dresspoker after session to make it interesting). I don't say I am the best educated guy out there and I don't need to debate world politics or environmental issues but some general knowledge of how things works outside Phils would be nice. Except from some moaning I was quite for the last 2 days, throwing in a "yes" here and a "no" there (even a "maybe" at times). I had my Ipad and she her phone / TV. Saved me (us).

All my mistake and I don't blame the girl at all. In fact I put all the blame on myself. She did her best and was a good bed performer and actually a nice girl. If I knew what I know today and could do it all over again, I would tell her to bring a friend and store them over in their own room. Aftermath; I did a couple of trips with better results bantering. I guess I am not a small talker after all. I am back doing the 2-3 hrs routine.

Can someone please explain how to do this. I have a regular FB account, that I use for friends and family and when I try to make a fake (2nd) account FB LE voids it. Can't seem to find any instruction online or on ISG for that matter how to do this. I'd really appreciate it if someone has some tips. Or a link.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1970321]Her price is not as outrageous as it seems. A lot of guys marry these so-called virgins and take them back to their homeland where community property laws allow the girl to get an automatic 50 percent of the virgin hunter's assets upon divorce. So, let's say the guy has a house and lot worth $300,000 USD, the formerly virgin ex-wife gets at least $150,000 or about 7,443,525 pesos.[/QUOTE]Certainly not true in America. Wife is only entitled to half of earning and property acquired after the date of marriage. Only way that can happen is if dumb shit agrees to it in writing before or after marriage. People hear these bull shit ex-husband tales of woes and pass it along. Please check the laws first.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1970321]Her price is not as outrageous as it seems. A lot of guys marry these so-called virgins and take them back to their homeland where community property laws allow the girl to get an automatic 50 percent of the virgin hunter's assets upon divorce. So, let's say the guy has a house and lot worth $300,000 USD, the formerly virgin ex-wife gets at least $150,000 or about 7,443,525 pesos.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1970459]Certainly not true in America. Wife is only entitled to half of earning and property acquired after the date of marriage. Only way that can happen is if dumb shit agrees to it in writing before or after marriage. People hear these bull shit ex-husband tales of woes and pass it along. Please check the laws first.[/QUOTE]Must agree with DG. Those stories of the ex taking everything are from 20+years ago. Marriage / divorce laws are set by each state (not the federal government), but I'm no longer aware of states that have any laws pertaining to everything one person owns. States use community property laws, which consider property acquired during the date of marriage to the "effective date of separation" (not the date of divorce, which might be years later). The 'property' can be many things (real estate, income, etc) and generally excludes some things in different states (gifts and bequeaths). Have had 2 friends get divorced (9 and 13 years together with wives) from their (Russian) wives in 2 different states here in the last 2 years, and the same community property laws applied (the 2 wives get a monthly spousal support check for a period of time, several years, then it stops).

The concept of your spouse being entitled to *everything* seems to be fairly engrained. He / she is entitled to half off any marital property (or the value of it) gained only during the time of marriage. One of my buddies who is currently married to a Russian gal was quietly planning to divorce her a few years back. He was convinced that her family's estate (in Russia) was fairly massive, and even though they had been married only 2 years, that he was somehow entitled to half of it. I asked him to contact an attorney (he did), and he was sorely disappointed to find that he was not going to get anything from her side (she never worked during the marriage, and provided nothing to the community) and he might have to give her a small monthly spousal support from his retirement and also one of their 2 older vehicles. This idea is SO engrained, that recently the same gent told me over coffee: "You know, if Tatiana were to die, I would get half of her parents estate". Really! Is that in her parents will (they are still alive) or Tatiana's will? "No. There is no will. I am her husband. Naturally it would come to me when she dies. Right?" Jesus guy, please see your lawyer again. Should the parents die (not his wife), their estate would go to their multiple children, and your wife would get a share. Any share your wife received is not considered 'community' in the community property (as it is a bequeath) of your state, unless she includes it to her husband in her trust / will upon her death. The attorney gave him the same information. Interestingly the Russian wife was his retirement plan (which I was not aware of when I was a groomsman at their wedding). Later he shared with me his unhappiness in the marriage, saying she was supposed to work and supplement his income, but she refused to work once she was here in the States. He was also counting on her family's estate. Now they are stuck on his $1500/ month retirement. She too contacted an attorney (I found out from one of her Russian friends) and was sorely disappointed in her divorce prospects.

You can use a different email address / username and phone number for verification.

[QUOTE=GoldMembr;1970439] I have a regular FB account, that I use for friends and family and when I try to make a fake (2nd) account FB LE voids it. Can't seem to find any instruction online or on ISG for that matter how to do this. I'd really appreciate it if someone has some tips. [/QUOTE]

Pre-nup boys. If you are American and considering marriage please be sure to get a pre-nup. If she objects, it's a red flag. A pre-nup only comes into effect if the marriage fails. Is she going into marriage thinking it will fail? Educate yourself on the legal process. She must have her own lawyer. It's beneficial to video tape the signing, with both lawyers there and both parties indicating that they are signing willingly. Pre-nup boys.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;1970729]A pre-nup only comes into effect if the marriage fails. Is she going into marriage thinking it will fail?[/QUOTE]Is the man?

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;1970729]Pre-nup boys. If you are American and considering marriage please be sure to get a pre-nup. If she objects, it's a red flag. A pre-nup only comes into effect if the marriage fails. Is she going into marriage thinking it will fail? Educate yourself on the legal process. She must have her own lawyer. It's beneficial to video tape the signing, with both lawyers there and both parties indicating that they are signing willingly. Pre-nup boys.[/QUOTE]Good advice for those with a pot to pixx in. Otherwise save the money for her green card.

[QUOTE=Vitaplex;1970328]All my mistake and I don't blame the girl at all. In fact I put all the blame on myself. She did her best and was a good bed performer and actually a nice girl. If I knew what I know today and could do it all over again,.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Choose your travel pet carefully and with simple criteria: someone you can get along with. Just like you choose companions to befriend in ordinary situation. Unless, of course you only do short time hookers because you have nothing for personality, then trying to buy a girlfriend you only get what you deserve.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1970502]Must agree with DG. Those stories of the ex taking everything are from 20+years ago. Marriage / divorce laws are set by each state (not the federal government), but I'm no longer aware of states that have any laws pertaining to everything one person owns. States use community property laws, which consider property acquired during the date of marriage to the "effective date of separation" (not the date of divorce, which might be years later). The 'property' can be many things (real estate, income, etc) and generally excludes some things in different states (gifts and bequeaths). Have had 2 friends get divorced (9 and 13 years together with wives) from their (Russian) wives in 2 different states here in the last 2 years, and the same community property laws applied (the 2 wives get a monthly spousal support check for a period of time, several years, then it stops).

The concept of your spouse being entitled to *everything* seems to be fairly engrained. He / she is entitled to half off any marital property (or the value of it) gained only during the time of marriage. One of my buddies who is currently married to a Russian gal was quietly planning to divorce her a few years back. He was convinced that her family's estate (in Russia) was fairly massive, and even though they had been married only 2 years, that he was somehow entitled to half of it. I asked him to contact an attorney (he did), and he was sorely disappointed to find that he was not going to get anything from her side (she never worked during the marriage, and provided nothing to the community) and he might have to give her a small monthly spousal support from his retirement and also one of their 2 older vehicles. This idea is SO engrained, that recently the same gent told me over coffee...[/QUOTE]It is surprising that he was able to afford a Russian bride on his meager pension of $1500. That is not very far from the poverty line. Expecting his Russian bride to work and finance his retirement was a harebrained idea. It is not surprising that they both were unhappy in the marriage as both expected a free ride.

It seems like the men in your examples were poor and barely surviving even before marrying their Russian brides and not aspiring to improve their financial situations via other means than marriage. They had nothing to lose.

In cases where men actually have something to lose like a house and substantial assets and income, the odds of the woman getting the marital home are greatly increased if she is mail order bride who has children in the marriage. Divorce courts will put the interest of the children ahead of any rights and entitlements the man might think he has in the marital home. He also gets the benefit of paying child support in addition to alimony.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1970800]It is surprising that he was able to afford a Russian bride on his meager pension of $1500. That is not very far from the poverty line. Expecting his Russian bride to work and finance his retirement was a harebrained idea. It is not surprising that they both were unhappy in the marriage as both expected a free ride.

It seems like the men in your examples were poor and barely surviving even before marrying their Russian brides and not aspiring to improve their financial situations via other means than marriage. They had nothing to lose.

In cases where men actually have something to lose like a house and substantial assets and income, the odds of the woman getting the marital home are greatly increased if she is mail order bride who has children in the marriage. Divorce courts will put the interest of the children ahead of any rights and entitlements the man might think he has in the marital home. He also gets the benefit of paying child support in addition to alimony.[/QUOTE]I think the guy married the Russian bride before retirement and she would be an extra pension fund for him.

Mail order brides do not have any more or less rights, with or without children than any other divorcing person.

You are wrong that the courts will place children's interest over and above the pre-existing marriage right to property and assets. Prior assets will remain sole and separate property as long as it is not co-mingled with community funds or assets. Period. It would be wise to get an appraisal to establish the value of assets prior to marriage.

Best to consult with an attorney over real facts than to generalize and promote woeful ex-husbands tales.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;1970729]Pre-nup boys. A pre-nup only comes into effect if the marriage fails. Pre-nup boys.[/QUOTE]Remember also that you cannot disinherit your wife. A will that tries to do it will not be enforced. Thus you may be worth more dead than you are alive. It won't take much encouragement for Cuja Renato to do away with you on a trip back to visit the inlaws knowing that he can hit up the newly minted widow for the cost of that expensive medical treatment he needs. I wouldn't marry a Filipina for love nor money.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1971082]Remember also that you cannot disinherit your wife. A will that tries to do it will not be enforced. Thus you may be worth more dead than you are alive. It won't take much encouragement for Cuja Renato to do away with you on a trip back to visit the inlaws knowing that he can hit up the newly minted widow for the cost of that expensive medical treatment he needs. I wouldn't marry a Filipina for love nor money.[/QUOTE]The last quote I heard for doing away with a problematic wife or husband (or BF) on Mindanao was P5000. This included having the body sunk well offshore in the Pacific.

As Pompetus says, it's not too hard to do the mathematics, if your net work is greater than P5000 then you might be on their prospect list.

If it is any consolation I have satisfied myself that in the event I become a target I won't really care. They seem to be reasonably good at hired hits so I will be dead, not crippled.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1971092]

If it is any consolation I have satisfied myself that in the event I become a target I won't really care. They seem to be reasonably good at hired hits so I will be dead, not crippled.

[/QUOTE]You really are a glass half-full kinda guy BD.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;1970729]Pre-nup boys. If you are American and considering marriage please be sure to get a pre-nup. If she objects, it's a red flag. A pre-nup only comes into effect if the marriage fails. Is she going into marriage thinking it will fail? Educate yourself on the legal process. She must have her own lawyer. It's beneficial to video tape the signing, with both lawyers there and both parties indicating that they are signing willingly. Pre-nup boys.[/QUOTE]Prenups still have their limitations. I'm a family law attorney, and there are other issues that can sidestep a prenup. For example, a prenup cannot limit child support if she gets pregnant, or any other child issues. Additionally, if she is especially vicious, she may allege that you assaulted her, even going to lengths to falsify injuries (like cutting herself), so she can make a claim for tort damages, which would not be covered by a prenup. Bottom line is that there is no substitute for being very careful before committing to any woman.

RG.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1971359]You really are a glass half-full kinda guy BD.[/QUOTE]Thank you. The more I read the local press and see what happens at a local level in the news that we as visitors rarely see the more I realise it cam be a dangerous place. Rule 1, don't annoy the locals.

[QUOTE=Goferring;1969892]Hi guys,

Just a post on a trip I am having to highlight some of the risks and rewards of taking a multi day / week trip with a..[/QUOTE]OK, so the trip above is now finished. Her attitude improved over the second week but still wasn't all that I had hoped for.

My previous comments on what to do and watch for remain unchanged. The only addition would be that having a BG around also limits access to regular pinays as none would be seen with someone obviously traveling with a BG. Something to remember if you want to build contacts with regular girls or do some preparation for repeat visits.

People have various reasons for extended holidays with a BG. I'll comment on how well my trip went to meeting those:

The primary reason anyone brings a BG is "I want unlimited access to sex with a known, skilled provider". Achieved with distinction! Regardless of attitudes of her or me at the time, Service was always available when required and the skill and enthusiasm never dropped. If anything, sessions during frosty moments was more heated and passionate.

"I want to save money and not pay repeated bar fines and / or inflated service charges at remote or tourist areas". I spent 10 k per week for her, 14 k on airfares to two destinations and probably 2 k per day on her trips, trinkets and food. Surprisingly, food in tourist destinations was not a trivial cost. It literally cost more to feed her than fuck her. Do the math over 14 days and the exercise cost 60 k. In hindsight, this could have paid a lot of tourist mark ups for local short timers, a hell of a catch up blow out upon return to civilization or even an extension to the holiday.

"I want to take someone for company or to talk to". Clearly an absolute failure after the third day. It also severely restricted access and contact to other tourists and locals both pinay and visitors.

"I want to take someone with local knowledge / language and who can help organize local requirements". She was absolutely useless at organizing anything with tour offices, taxis etc. It didn't help that she is from Manila and doesn't speak Visayan.

So, would I do it again?

The only way I would do an extended trip again would be with a couple of guys and a few girls so that everyone has something to do and someone to speak with. In hind sight, one on one is only workable for short periods. The Service provided was great and I have no doubt we will catch up again back in her bar but it will be in much shorter periods and in areas where she can be traded out when it's time for a change.

If I was to do another multi week trip I would probably rely on sourcing local providers or if I did want to take someone, it would be multiple people for shorter periods each.

One thing that several people have mentioned (and she has done in the past) is taking a girl to mongering destinations eg. AC, Subic, Cebu etc. To me this is totally counter productive and I would not recommend it. Just recruit locally even if there is an extra tourist tax. It will work out easier in the long run.

What is it with guys falling in love with BGs who are obviously still at work and / or rooting around?

It appears the primary sponsor of the BG in my holiday post has put two and two together, come up with fifteen and figured out what his "girlfriend" has been doing for the last two weeks. The solution?? Get her a passport, ship her off to Japan and live happily ever after. Of course she will never see anyone else or return to the bar when she's back in town. Well maybe just on days ending in "why".

Not the first time I have returned from a holiday with a busy girl to find a jealous sponsor who decides he will be able to "save" her and thinks he will be able to make a honest women out of her.

Good luck with taking the Bar out of the girl!

[QUOTE=TreadingWater;1967640]I did RTFF but couldn't find much on this topic. Do Philippine girls speak much English? I like at least a little communication, especially for LT. I haven't been anywhere in Asia yet and I'm trying to decided between Thailand and the Philippines.[/QUOTE]This is a far more interesting question than you may realize. Yes, most of the young ladies and gents speak English, of a sort. If you are hoping to discuss the virtues of Proust, pr pricing mechanisms in a free-market economy, don't. If you are attempting negotiations for time or services rendered, the general rule is YMMV (your mileage may vary). Conversations beyond this go:

Q What is a good restaurant? A. Jollibee's.

It isn't, at least if you are other than Filipino. I've never had any other restaurant specifically mentioned. Except once. Went to a decent pizza place with four young, yet appropriately aged, females. Otherwise, I tried hard to be the one choosing. Also, learn all the local words for rice. That way, you may get only one or two rice dishes with a meal. Of course, if you do, they will assume that you want more rice with that.

Q. What would you like to do? A. Karaoke / videoke. It helps a lot if you are also willing to sing.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1970280]For all of you Virgin Hunters, there is an 18 year old on Seeking Arrangement selling hers for the low low price of only 4,000,000 php (80,530 USD). I'd rate her a 6-7.

Some of these girls are really out of touch with reality. Or maybe I am?[/QUOTE]Hey, I'm sure you could bargain her down to 3,8000,000 php. Or even 3,800 if you are a charmer. Practice your negotiation skills! Or pass. I'm more worried about PNP than php.

[QUOTE=JackBurton;1972306]Hey, I'm sure you could bargain her down to 3,8000,000 php. Or even 3,800 if you are a charmer. Practice your negotiation skills! Or pass. I'm more worried about PNP than php.[/QUOTE]The thing is, I'm not interested in virgin. Let someone else break her in, I say. I just posted it because it shows an extreme of what girls expect; and perhaps of what a guy will pay.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1972449]The thing is, I'm not interested in virgin. Let someone else break her in, I say. [/QUOTE]Totally agree, I've declined to meet a good number of girls who've insisted they're virgins (some as old as 20). Who needs that hassle, the experience is going to be awkward and weird.

Give me a cock-hungry morsel any day of the week.

[QUOTE=TreadingWater;1967640]I did RTFF but couldn't find much on this topic. Do Philippine girls speak much English? I like at least a little communication, especially for LT. I haven't been anywhere in Asia yet and I'm trying to decided between Thailand and the Philippines.[/QUOTE]If you choose Phils. Be sure you are prepared. The following will most likely occur: You arrange to meet a lovely pinay back at your place, lets say at 5 pm.

Here's how it will work out at 4:45 pm by text:

She, how are you?

You, I am great, I am in my hotel waiting you. What did you do today? Are you on your way anytime soon or even better are you close to my place now? We agreed 5 pm right?

She, did you eat your lunch?

You, eh, I asked you are you close? We agreed you come 5 pm right?

She, If I come will you meet me outside hotel?

You (feel your blood pressure rising, irritation rises), If you come. Didn't we have an agreement?

She, do you have food, can we eat?

You, what? Where are you?

She, I go shower now.

You (probably call her by now but no signal or the phone just stay unanswered).

She, 6 pm, I am on my way now.

You, where are you?

She, in taxi.

You, when will you be here?

She, dunno.

Etc etc etc. Take those pills. Excited to hear if this was far fetched.

[QUOTE=Vitaplex;1972577]If you choose Phils. Be sure you are prepared. The following will most likely occur: You arrange to meet a lovely pinay back at your place, lets say at 5 pm.

<SNIP>

She, 6 pm, I am on my way now.

Excited to hear if this was far fetched.[/QUOTE]Just to balance your post VPlex, I think many girls have been totally burnt by assholes who spoil it for the rest of us by arranging meetings with girls and then not turning up.

Many girls have told me how they have turned up for planned meetings, often having borrowed the fare to get there, only to find the guy is either not there, never planned to be and, in one extreme case, was still at home in LA, Calif when he planned a meeting with her online.

Two girls have told me that they now wait until the guy confirms with them that he is actually at a planned meeting site before they leave home so they will not waste their money on fares. They do this because they have experienced being "stood up" by guys who get their kicks out of having girls follow their instructions. Somehow it makes the guys feel powerful at having women follow their instructiona. Weird stuff.

I agree that it is extremely frustrating for us but sometimes it helps to understand their thinking.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1972640]Just to balance your post VPlex, I think many girls have been totally burnt by assholes who spoil it for the rest of us by arranging meetings with girls and then not turning up.

Many girls have told me how they have turned up for planned meetings, often having borrowed the fare to get there, only to find the guy is either not there, never planned to be and, in one extreme case, was still at home in LA, Calif when he planned a meeting with her online..[/QUOTE]I agree RK.

I know of one ISG monger who screwed another purely because the former was / is an a**hole.

He was in Australia, the other guy USA but gave the Aussie a good contact. She chatted to the Aussie on cam, he said he was in Cebu, lots chat, said he would meet her Ayala that evening so she dressed up and took a taxi (which he said he would pay for) and went there to meet him.

But he was in Australia and did it deliberately to to screw up the other guy and the relationship he had with the girl (spiteful and nasty individual).

She was out of pocket (the USA guy sent the cash to cover the fare etc once he found out) and she never trusted the USA guy much again.

Some real trolls out there in our mongering world also.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1972640]Just to balance your post VPlex, I think many girls have been totally burnt by assholes who spoil it for the rest of us by arranging meetings with girls and then not turning up.

Many girls have told me how they have turned up for planned meetings, often having borrowed the fare to get there, only to find the guy is either not there, never planned to be and, in one extreme case, was still at home in LA, Calif when he planned a meeting with her online.

Two girls have told me that they now wait until the guy confirms with them that he is actually at a planned meeting site before they leave home so they will not waste their money on fares. They do this because they have experienced being "stood up" by guys who get their kicks out of having girls follow their instructions. Somehow it makes the guys feel powerful at having women follow their instructiona. Weird stuff.

I agree that it is extremely frustrating for us but sometimes it helps to understand their thinking.[/QUOTE]I too have been burnt. Now I just tell them a time an hour before my expected time and I DO NOT plan around them. I won't wait at the hotel or the meeting place. I will say I am there but meanwhile I'll be close, I'll be going about my banking, the groceries, sending stuff at LBC, getting gas, etc etc etc. SO, I am close, I choose meeting places that suit me and let me do the above. If they miraculously are on time, I just switch the order of activity.

So, it's not so much that they are late? Did we expect them to be on time? So, plan the meet time with other activity and then the specific timing doesn't impact on us.

And, if you consider jeepney, trike, friends, scooters, the electricity supply, the internet...it's amazing there is anything ontime.

And then there are girls whom are always organised and on time. the keepers.

I was just preparing Treading Water for what to expect with one example (its all made up but I guess we all have encountered something similar). For reasons behind why things are they way they are I am in total agreement with RK and others. No wonder why girls want more or less solid proof you are actually in Phils at agreed location if they are to spend their own cash for travels.

I will admit I have sent a few fake MTCNs around but only to girls deserving it (different ballgame).

When you sit there with a hard on excited to meet a cute small one just be prepared or expect what I wrote could happen. When you get the hang of it your mental balance will be better. I vouch for BDs MO as I these days do it myself. In addition I try run a busy schedule and have lot of substitute girls who can step in if things do go belly up. Blue balls need urgent treatment.

[QUOTE=Vitaplex;1972577]If you choose Phils. Be sure you are prepared. The following will most likely occur: You arrange to meet a lovely pinay back at your place, lets say at 5 pm.

Here's how it will work out at 4:45 pm by text:

She, how are you?

You, I am great, I am in my hotel waiting you. What did you do today? Are you on your way anytime soon or even better are you close to my place now? We agreed 5 pm right?

She, did you eat your lunch?

You, eh, I asked you are you close? We agreed you come 5 pm right?

She, If I come will you meet me outside hotel?

You (feel your blood pressure rising, irritation rises), If you come. Didn't we have an agreement?

She, do you have food, can we eat?

You, what? Where are you?

She, I go shower now.

You (probably call her by now but no signal or the phone just stay unanswered).

She, 6 pm, I am on my way now.

You, where are you?

She, in taxi.

You, when will you be here?

She, dunno.

Etc etc etc. Take those pills. Excited to hear if this was far fetched.[/QUOTE]Have you been hacking my phone's text messages?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1972640]Just to balance your post VPlex, I think many girls have been totally burnt by assholes who spoil it for the rest of us by arranging meetings with girls and then not turning up.[/QUOTE]Very true. Even in the rare occasion when my double-booking results in double showing-up, I always make sure the less attractive one is very fairly compensated with a face-saving excuse down in the lobby. "My country's president has called and I need to prepare a major tax policy speech for him to give tomorrow morning. Sorry, babe. Here's to cover your fare (easily covers fare plus daily wage). ".

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1972684]And then there are girls whom are always organised and on time. the keepers.[/QUOTE]Yes, indeed! They're the ones that stay on the contact list through thick and thin.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1972640]Just to balance your post VPlex, I think many girls have been totally burnt by assholes who spoil it for the rest of us by arranging meetings with girls and then not turning up.

SNIP

I agree that it is extremely frustrating for us but sometimes it helps to understand their thinking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1972684]I too have been burnt. Now I just tell them a time an hour before my expected time and I DO NOT plan around them.[/QUOTE]I'm a bit more ruthless. My MO involves telling the girl that its better to leave her home several hours early, and possibly be at the rendezvous point several hours early, than to be late (her *sin* to me). I promise them that I will depart 15 minutes after the scheduled meet time, and I stick to that. I started that 4-5 years ago, and it has drastically reduced tardiness. My MO is also to cam-2-cam with the girl a day prior, so she can see me in my hotel lobby, so she will know I'm in her town. I have not eliminated tardiness, but I can now go for 1-2-3 trips to phils without having an issue.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1972919]I'm a bit more ruthless. My MO involves telling the girl that its better to leave her home several hours early, and possibly be at the rendezvous point several hours early, than to be late (her *sin* to me). I promise them that I will depart 15 minutes after the scheduled meet time, and I stick to that. I started that 4-5 years ago, and it has drastically reduced tardiness. My MO is also to cam-2-cam with the girl a day prior, so she can see me in my hotel lobby, so she will know I'm in her town. I have not eliminated tardiness, but I can now go for 1-2-3 trips to phils without having an issue.[/QUOTE]Yeah that's just like me. My "initial" post here was directed to Treading Water as I assume he is a nube. When a text goes over board like the one in my example it would be a cut off long long time ago to me. I stress, stress and stress again the fact girls have to be on time. Its not a problem anymore. But for a nube it can be relative information to bag and keep a sharp look out for. It happened to me when I was a nube, it can still happen today but I don't meet them because I cut them off. I am cynical but unlike WB I normally don't double book (it happens though if things get chaotic). Then I just improvise.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1972919]I'm a bit more ruthless. [/QUOTE]Out of statistical curiosity, what percentage of potential new lady friends are eliminated for scheduling or navigational defects?

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1972974]Out of statistical curiosity, what percentage of potential new lady friends are eliminated for scheduling or navigational defects?[/QUOTE]I will PM you.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1972919] My MO involves telling the girl that its better to leave her home several hours early, and possibly be at the rendezvous point several hours early, than to be late (her *sin* to me). I promise them that I will depart 15 minutes after the scheduled meet time, and I stick to that. I started that 4-5 years ago, and it has drastically reduced tardiness.[/QUOTE]I think you missed the main point I was making WC. I wasn't discussing the chronic late arrivals scenario. That has been flogged to death here and you have already told us how you deal with late-comers.

I was making the point that many girls actually wait until you "prove" that you are at the meeting site when you start texting them etc asking "where are you"? I was suggesting that many don't leave home until they know you are actually serious.

In your cases, if the girl knows you already through previous meetups or webcam, knows you are already in town and knows you are very "strick" about time she will be there as requested.

As shown by the various responses here, there is a group of guys (assholes) who deliberately plan to meet girls and then don't turn up (sometimes because they are not even in-country).

These experiences make girls wary about spending their cash on transport if there is a risk that it's a wild-goose-chase.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1972640]Just to balance your post VPlex, I think many girls have been totally burnt by assholes who spoil it for the rest of us by arranging meetings with girls and then not turning up.
[/QUOTE]I know for a fact some have. Now, this has worked out for me a few times because the girl travelled all the way from Laguna, Cavite, Rizal, etc. and the bastard isn't at the hotel. She's out-of-pocket on transport costs and has nowhere to go. I get a text or a message on the dating site where we exchanged messages before telling me that she's in Makati and is stuck. I take a look at her photos, "C'mon over," and I give her directions to convey to the taxi driver. The next day I take her to the bus depot and send her home.

I understand how some double bookers think that covering a girl's transport and a bit more absolves them, yet keep in mind the girl went through the hassle of getting ready, sat in traffic, and may have even been excited to meet you. She may have even declined a meeting with another fella. How would you feel if you extended the same effort only to get shot down at first glance and were handed the equivalent of a few dollars? Avoid needless cruelty, and double booking is a tactic that has a high likelihood to hurt people. Have a heart.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1973017]I think you missed the main point I was making WC. I wasn't discussing the chronic late arrivals scenario. That has been flogged to death here and you have already told us how you deal with late-comers.

I was making the point that many girls actually wait until you "prove" that you are at the meeting site when you start texting them etc asking "where are you"? I was suggesting that many don't leave home until they know you are actually serious.[/QUOTE]You are correct.

Even after I adopted the more mercenary time-frame, a girl was late (very), and later confessed in YM chat that she had not left her home until I txt that I was sitting at Malate Robinson's Starbucks (our meeting place). Its not smart (its a David / Goliath situation, and she was without a sling), but these things happen.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1973025]I know for a fact some have. Now, this has worked out for me a few times because the girl travelled all the way from Laguna, Cavite, Rizal, etc. and the bastard isn't at the hotel. She's out-of-pocket on transport costs and has nowhere to go. I get a text or a message on the dating site where we exchanged messages before telling me that she's in Makati and is stuck. I take a look at her photos, "C'mon over," and I give her directions to convey to the taxi driver. The next day I take her to the bus depot and send her home.[/QUOTE]Can just imagine the opportunities at NAIA Departures where the little honeys see off their departing foreigner BF to turn around to be greeted by one of us offering them a share taxi back to Makati.

Sounds a little like Wedding or Funeral crashers.

BD.

There are cultural differences in play here and there are various ways of dealing with it. I've found that it is important to confirm and reconfirm a meet up. It helps a lot to be in the country and make a phone call. Don't be surprised if Mom answers.

But there is no full proof strategy. After an "on my way" message from a gal and then waiting well beyond the meet up time, I've called. The sound of a television or a rooster cawing doesn't make me believe that she is actually on her way.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1973017]I think you missed the main point I was making WC. I wasn't discussing the chronic late arrivals scenario. That has been flogged to death here and you have already told us how you deal with late-comers.

I was making the point that many girls actually wait until you "prove" that you are at the meeting site when you start texting them etc asking "where are you"? I was suggesting that many don't leave home until they know you are actually serious.

In your cases, if the girl knows you already through previous meetups or webcam, knows you are already in town and knows you are very "strick" about time she will be there as requested.

As shown by the various responses here, there is a group of guys (assholes) who deliberately plan to meet girls and then don't turn up (sometimes because they are not even in-country).

These experiences make girls wary about spending their cash on transport if there is a risk that it's a wild-goose-chase.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1973025]I She may have even declined a meeting with another fella. How would you feel if you extended the same effort only to get shot down at first glance and were handed the equivalent of a few dollars? Avoid needless cruelty, and double booking is a tactic that has a high likelihood to hurt people. Have a heart.[/QUOTE]And she may have told the family about it or friends are aware she is meetings a foreigner, got dressed up and looked tasty for the meeting. Imagine she then returns home empty handed a few hours later and the "shame / ridicule" she may face. Plus owes someone pesos for the transportation. Pinays love to rub other pinays nose it in sometimes and this is a good example and reason to do so.

Unfortunately the a**holes cause the nice guys (such as myself LOL) to suffer and no wonder they are wary of us sometimes.

As for WC method I can be fairly strict on time also and I tend to give an earlier time than that intended and generally this works but is not fool proof as I have found out.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1973125]Can just imagine the opportunities at NAIA Departures where the little honeys see off their departing foreigner BF to turn around to be greeted by one of us offering them a share taxi back to Makati.

Sounds a little like Wedding or Funeral crashers.

BD.[/QUOTE]Or you could be really creative and try outside the OFW office at Terminal 1.

Hey guys,

First off I would like to say I have read several reports and I would like to Thank you guys for keeping this PH forum relevant. Second, I need some straight advice. I know about RTFF, but I am a owner operator of a business and barely have time to wash clothes let alone read here. I don't even use fb. I am visiting Cebu and looking for a reasonable and clean place around Cebu and IT park or Mango area. Around 50 a night a little more if it has 2 bedrooms for approx 4 to 6 days. I am then going to AC for a week and back to Cebu and Palawan.

I appreciate the input, I do not use my laptop much but when I do its usually work related. I'm a small business owner coming to PH for February. I hope to fish in Palawan. I am talking to some normal women with jobs not working girls so I need it guest friendly and not a horror house. Again, Thanks for all the info WC and all you others.

[QUOTE=SrChivo;1974173]Hey guys,

First off I would like to say I have read several reports and I would like to Thank you guys for keeping this PH forum relevant. Second, I need some straight advice. I know about RTFF, but I am a owner operator of a business and barely have time to wash clothes let alone read here. I don't even use fb. I am visiting Cebu and looking for a reasonable and clean place around Cebu and IT park or Mango area. Around 50 a night a little more if it has 2 bedrooms for approx 4 to 6 days. I am then going to AC for a week and back to Cebu and Palawan.

I appreciate the input, I do not use my laptop much but when I do its usually work related. I'm a small business owner coming to PH for February. I hope to fish in Palawan. I am talking to some normal women with jobs not working girls so I need it guest friendly and not a horror house. Again, Thanks for all the info WC and all you others.[/QUOTE]Like you I am a business owner and have no FB and I fly 100-150 miles a year and never in one place much apart from Cebu. So if you read the Cebu thread and find the time you will find lots of idea just like others have.

Me? I know the answers but am so busy on planes and working with clients, chasing payments and washing my clothes that I have no time to PM you (but I still find a way to read something and search before I ask if I have to as can be useful and a contribution) - try the Cebu thread as am sure your busy eyes must have missed as lots of info there on the price range? Try it as is fun finding out for yourself.

[QUOTE=SrChivo;1974173]Hey guys,

First off I would like to say I have read several reports and I would like to Thank you guys for keeping this PH forum relevant. Second, I need some straight advice. I know about RTFF, but I am a owner operator of a business and barely have time to wash clothes let alone read here. I don't even use fb. I am visiting Cebu and looking for a reasonable and clean place around Cebu and IT park or Mango area. Around 50 a night a little more if it has 2 bedrooms for approx 4 to 6 days. I am then going to AC for a week and back to Cebu and Palawan.

I appreciate the input, I do not use my laptop much but when I do its usually work related. I'm a small business owner coming to PH for February. I hope to fish in Palawan. I am talking to some normal women with jobs not working girls so I need it guest friendly and not a horror house. Again, Thanks for all the info WC and all you others.[/QUOTE]I hear you, bruv. I'm so busy I don't even have the time to p00p. I've fixed that by no longer eating, which of course I didn't have time for. I also wear a nappy - just in case.

I think your best bet is checking out condos on airbnb. I don't know the reason for your prejudice against horror houses (who doesn't like a sex dungeon, right?), but with airbnb you'll see the photos of the actual unit and read guest reviews. With this you may find the level of horror acceptable to you. I think your budget of $50 for a 2 BR unit may be a bit low; looking at Cebu listings for 2 BR units I see many are about $100+.

Fair warning. This endeavour will require time to look through the listings and perhaps contact the owners.

[QUOTE=SrChivo;1974173] I hope to fish in Palawan. [/QUOTE]Really? Where in or near Palawan, and for what kind of fish? The Philippines is not exactly known as a sportfishing paradise, largely because rural Filipinos are so focused on putting food in their mouths that they can't afford to leave many for sport. But maybe you have some inside information that you could share with others of us. Noting, as others have, that you have no spare time, where did you find time to research fishing possibilities?

Whine, whine, why don't you do all the work for me WR.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1974196]Like you I am a business owner and have no FB and I fly 100-150 miles a year and never in one place much apart from Cebu. So if you read the Cebu thread and find the time you will find lots of idea just like others have.

Me? I know the answers but am so busy on planes and working with clients, chasing payments and washing my clothes that I have no time to PM you (but I still find a way to read something and search before I ask if I have to as can be useful and a contribution) - try the Cebu thread as am sure your busy eyes must have missed as lots of info there on the price range? Try it as is fun finding out for yourself.[/QUOTE]

I posted this on the Cebu forum thread but might be missed by guys who don't go to Cebu.

You should recheck the whole new line-up for Cebu Pacific flights.

The "new" badged airline as part of Cebu Pacific is called "CebGo" and will be departing from Terminal FOUR, the oldest of the 4 NAIA terminals.

Lots of new flight destinations scheduled along with additional flights to current destinations. Examples are Clark to Cebu; 2 extra daily flights to Cauayan in Nth Luzon (makes 3 instead of 1), and many others.

You will now need to be ULTRA cautious in checking your airport departure point because it might no longer be Terminal 3 for all Cebu Pacific flights.

[QUOTE=SrChivo;1974173]Hey guys,

First off I would like to say I have read several reports and I would like to Thank you guys for keeping this PH forum relevant. Second, I need some straight advice. I know about RTFF, but I am a owner operator of a business and barely have time to wash clothes let alone read here. I don't even use fb. I am visiting Cebu and looking for a reasonable and clean place around Cebu and IT park or Mango area. Around 50 a night a little more if it has 2 bedrooms for approx 4 to 6 days. I am then going to AC for a week and back to Cebu and Palawan.

I appreciate the input, I do not use my laptop much but when I do its usually work related. I'm a small business owner coming to PH for February. I hope to fish in Palawan. I am talking to some normal women with jobs not working girls so I need it guest friendly and not a horror house. Again, Thanks for all the info WC and all you others.[/QUOTE]For you and other busy gents, here is what I did to get by, as I am always busy on my laptop and hardly have time to eat and sleep. You know, work work work. I stopped wiping my ass (sometimes I wear [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] if I am really busy), I quit cooking (eat raw meat, fresh pukie is nice, if I have time that is), I quit park in my garage (it opens electronically but the wait for it to open can take a minute, a minute I use for extra work) and I go to bed 30 min later than I used to. This gives me around 40 min extra time each day (stop wiping my ass really made a difference since I go toilet often), time I can use to RTTF here if I had some questions. Just try.

You can try St Mark Hotel on Queens Road, Redemptorist Plaza near the Mango Square.

[QUOTE=SrChivo;1974173] I am visiting Cebu and looking for a reasonable and clean place around Cebu and IT park or Mango area. Around 50 a night a little more if it has 2 bedrooms for approx 4 to 6 days. [/QUOTE]

Well I really appreciate all the input, after reading your reviews your pots made sense and I found time.

I now took the seat out of my semi and replaced a nice air bucket seat with a bench toilet with arm rails its the kind with a toilet seat so I can shit and drive at the same time. And now instead of parking this semi in truck parking I just park in the fuel island while I shower and fuel at same time. I can now eat and drive since its automatic and instead of sleeping I just squirt lemon juice and hot sauce in my eye! So thanks for all the info, I mean really. I didn't know there was a hotel thread on Cebu.

So now I'm driving down the road again with 80 k lbs of goat meat for Akbar and in-climate weather, but that's OK no worries for public safety or crashing. Thanks to the RTFF, I'm just going to put it on cruise control and wrap a coat hanger around the steering wheel and take a 30 minute break. Again, Thanks for all the advice, this is my first trip to Asia but have over 20 to central and south america. I plan to review on the plane in transit where I go.

Booked ABC for a few nights in Cebu, We shall see!

If you see any goat shit trails don't worry its just me, Chivo out!

Sitting an a province fast food joint recently, 6:15 am-ish. Had breakfast there several days running. The wifi was much better than previous trips there, as on this trip I could actually connect to it. For several days, the download speeds at the fast food joint were running 15-20 mbps. I was pleasantly surprised. But on this particular day, I could not connect to it at all. I switched off the wifi to use my unli data, and was most pleasantly surprised to be hitting 60-65 mbps. In the province -- nice! Went back to the hotel, switched off the hotel wifi on my laptop, and hotspot-ed to the phone, running 50-ish mbps.

Heads up for you guys thinking about getting out of Ice Hell here in the NE United States. RT JFK to Manila $502 on China Airlines. Check Fareboom.

[QUOTE=WhatsUrName;1979048]Heads up for you guys thinking about getting out of Ice Hell here in the NE United States. RT JFK to Manila $502 on China Airlines. Check Fareboom.[/QUOTE]Note: that is cheaper than flying to the P. I. From Hawaii. Twice the distance, half the cost. Maybe I should move to New York. On second thought......no.

Booked a PAL non-stop from the US west coast to Manila. Chose it because its non-stop, and the aircraft had all the goodies I wanted (in-seat electrical outlet being one of them). At the gate, they pulled an aircraft switch-a-roo. My 777 was replaced with an A-340. I never noticed the switch till I was onboard (there was no announcement at the gate). There was no AVOD system on the seatback, no wifi, and no electrical charging system. Dammit, don't I know better than to book any Philippine airline? Not so fast there Westy. The F / A brought me an individual charging unit (which kept my phone topped off the entire flight), and they brought iPads w / headphones for anyone wanting to watch movies (the iPad has all the movies, TV shows, and music from the AVOD system). The service was overall on par with any other airline I've flown.

The only other downside was that the A-340 could not fly non-stop to Manila, and had to layover for an hour in Guam for refueling.

Other than the switch (maybe not controllable by the airline), I take back all those rotten things I've said before about PAL (People Awfully Lazy and such).

In addition, I took a flight from Manila to the province the next day, also PAL. Booked a premium economy seat for some extra pesos. Wonderful choice, as the seat pitch is greater (plenty of legroom), I got to board the plane before economy. Does CP offer this? And there is a small meal included (sandwich, drinks).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1980499]Booked a PAL non-stop from the US west coast to Manila. My 777 was replaced with an A-340. I never noticed the switch till I was onboard (there was no announcement at the gate). The F / A brought me an individual charging unit (which kept my phone topped off the entire flight), and they brought iPads w / headphones for anyone wanting to watch movies (the iPad has all the movies, TV shows, and music from the AVOD system). The service was overall on par with any other airline I've flown.The only other downside was that the A-340 could not fly non-stop to Manila, and had to layover for an hour in Guam for refueling.
In addition, I took a flight from Manila to the province the next day, also PAL. Booked a premium economy seat for some extra pesos. Wonderful choice, as the seat pitch is greater (plenty of legroom), I got to board the plane before economy. Does CP offer this? And there is a small meal included (sandwich, drinks).[/QUOTE]Were you business class? From HNL to MNL PAL uses the 320 aircraft, and I always fly business class. Yeah, spoiled now. But chose PAL because they fly nonstop, have their own terminal, and at the time, the business class price was only 2 x the coach price. Have used the miles on occasion for free upgrade. Anyway, I will be doing the same flight in March; one night in Manila and on to Cebu the next day, business class also. CP is way cheaper, but comfort rules. You don't want to be the richest man in the cemetery. Happy New Year to all.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1973310]Unfortunately the a**holes cause the nice guys (such as myself LOL) to suffer and no wonder they are wary of us sometimes.

As for WC method I can be fairly strict on time also and I tend to give an earlier time than that intended and generally this works but is not fool proof as I have found out.[/QUOTE]And sometimes the monger can screw up. Happened to me in Cebu just a couple weeks ago. WR was most kind to introduce me to a lovely young Pinay, who he insisted I 'must' meet. I managed to find a gap in my schedule where my long-stay girl was off at work for several hours and arranged to meet said vision over in SM Mall at 5 pm. I then checked into the new hotel (Pacific Sands. Way overpriced for the quality of facilities, though nice room and nice staff) for the second half of the stay then grabbed a taxi to go to a place where I was going to rent a scooter. Got there, no scooters left, rented me a 175 CC bike with a dodgy clutch (and I am not an experienced rider! And off I went. I went North, I went South, I went East, I may have even temporarily entered Singapore, I'm just not sure. I had 45 minutes to get from mid-Mactan to SM Mall by bike. Should have been fine. Sigh. No data on my phone (my repeat honey insisted I hadn't needed to get a local sim, hmmm.), and texts cost like $27 trillion a line. Texted the lady at several points while on my adventures, and she was very gracious, but I ended up being more than 1.5 hours late! I was pleased and somewhat shocked to find she was still there when I finally arrived.

Took her to dinner, had a nice conversation, walked around for a short time then slipped $1,000 into her purse and sent her on her way. Banking that one for a future visit. Lovely lady and I would have really loved to have taken her back to a hotel for some playtime, but it would have been less than an hour at that point, and I hate to rush these experiences (I'm a LT kinda guy). Jumped on my bike, dropped into the other girls work and then went dancing with her and another half dozen girls from her work for the next few hours. Ended up an OK night!

I must say, if I had not been late to meet someone I would have quite enjoyed being lost and on a motorbike, but instead it was just stressful! So if you aren't there on time, just communicate well and it will work out. Most of the time.

[QUOTE=WhatsUrName;1979048]Heads up for you guys thinking about getting out of Ice Hell here in the NE United States. RT JFK to Manila $502 on China Airlines. Check Fareboom.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the Fareboom tip. I got a Reno to Cebu ticket for $1,029 in May of next year. Almost $200 cheaper than last year, and probably my cheapest ticket ever.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1980499]Booked a PAL non-stop from the US west coast to Manila. Chose it because its non-stop, and the aircraft had all the goodies I wanted (in-seat electrical outlet being one of them). At the gate, they pulled an aircraft switch-a-roo. My 777 was replaced with an A-340. I never noticed the switch till I was onboard (there was no announcement at the gate). The service was overall on par with any other airline I've flown.

The only other downside was that the A-340 could not fly non-stop to Manila, and had to layover for an hour in Guam for refueling.

In addition, I took a flight from Manila to the province the next day, also PAL. Booked a premium economy seat for some extra pesos. Wonderful choice, as the seat pitch is greater (plenty of legroom), I got to board the plane before economy. Does CP offer this? And there is a small meal included (sandwich, drinks).[/QUOTE]I also flew PAL non-stop LAX-CEB. Departed LAX late night Dec. 22, arrived CEB at 8 am Dec. 24. My fifth such RT flight since non-stop CEB service was inaugurated last March 15. Three times a week, T-TH-Sat. The A340 Airbus flight was jam-packed, not an empty seat that I could see. Flight normally arrives CEB at 0430, but for the first time, stopped in Guam for refueling. Purser explained this was because of: (a) extra-heavy load (lots of pasalubong for each pax), and (b) stronger than usual headwinds.

PAL flight attendants are pleasant and easy on the eyes. Unlike US flag carriers United & Delta into Manila.

Happy New Year!

OM.

[QUOTE=SergeantRay;1980837]Thanks for the Fareboom tip. I got a Reno to Cebu ticket for $1,029 in May of next year. Almost $200 cheaper than last year, and probably my cheapest ticket ever.[/QUOTE]I tried it from LAS to Cebu and it was $751. Can you drive to Las Vegas? Or use some air or credit card points for Reno to LAS?

Also found $652, SFO to Cebu for May, 2017.

[QUOTE=TreadingWater;1967640]I did RTFF but couldn't find much on this topic. Do Philippine girls speak much English? I like at least a little communication, especially for LT. I haven't been anywhere in Asia yet and I'm trying to decided between Thailand and the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Yes, the Filipinas speak English to a scarily high standard. Some guys love it. I personally find it eery given the purpose behind the communication, and that bleeding hearts can much more easily become hooked.

Having said that, the Filipinas are great. I would be curious to live there and meet some nonpro girls where I can take the conversation more seriously.

My other opinion, in my two almost consecutive trips to Pattaya and Angeles, is that the Thai girls are great, but the Filipina girls are crazier by far. Try both if you can.

[QUOTE=WhatsUrName;1980904]I tried it from LAS to Cebu and it was $751. Can you drive to Las Vegas? Or use some air or credit card points for Reno to LAS?

Also found $652, SFO to Cebu for May, 2017.[/QUOTE]To Whatsurname.

It depend on which part of May if after may 15 fare go up a lot is high summer season, it is better to fly out of LAX more option you can fly from Reno to LAX cheap if you only want PAL direct it cost more.

Fast Eddie 48.

Cebu Pacific has now bought out Tigerair and has set up a "new" domestic offshoot called Cebgo.

Cebgo is operating out of Terminal 4 which is the old original domestic terminal. It has been upgraded thank goodness.

If your flight number begins with DG xxxx then it is a Cebgo flight and most likely will fly out of and into Terminal 4. I say "most likely" because my recent ticket one week ago said "arrival at Terminal 4" but it came to terminal 3.

If the flight number is 5 J xxxx then it is branded as a Cebu Pacific flight and will fly out of and into Terminal 3.

Knowing this detail is going to be crucial for those of you using Cebu Pacific and arriving on international flights and hoping to transfer to a domestic flight without a stopover. You might have to plan for the clusterf*k that is involved in changing terminals but then again you might not.

The days of simple thinking when PAL was always Terminal 2 and Cebu Pacific was always Terminal 3 are gone.

Buyer beware lest you end up in the wrong place.

Asian Air dropped me off at Term 4 a few nights ago. The taxi stand is very close to the road. The queue wasn't long so I waited patiently. I noticed two guys who walked out directly to the street and caught a cab and avoided the line. I think the trick is to walk down far enough away from the gate and the police so that the driver can avoid any hassles.

Only in the Philippines. Some taxis on the road were braking near the exit. Then they would go into reverse and back up to an area where they could then enter the taxi lineup. Just a reminder that you really are in a 3rd world country.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1982453]Cebu Pacific has now bought out Tigerair and has set up a "new" domestic offshoot called Cebgo.

Cebgo is operating out of Terminal 4 which is the old original domestic terminal. It has been upgraded thank goodness.

If your flight number begins with DG xxxx then it is a Cebgo flight and most likely will fly out of and into Terminal 4. I say "most likely" because my recent ticket one week ago said "arrival at Terminal 4" but it came to terminal 3.

If the flight number is 5 J xxxx then it is branded as a Cebu Pacific flight and will fly out of and into Terminal 3.

Knowing this detail is going to be crucial for those of you using Cebu Pacific and arriving on international flights and hoping to transfer to a domestic flight without a stopover. You might have to plan for the clusterf*k that is involved in changing terminals but then again you might not.

The days of simple thinking when PAL was always Terminal 2 and Cebu Pacific was always Terminal 3 are gone.

Buyer beware lest you end up in the wrong place.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=XMan;1982560]Asian Air dropped me off at Term 4 a few nights ago. The taxi stand is very close to the road. The queue wasn't long so I waited patiently. I noticed two guys who walked out directly to the street and caught a cab and avoided the line. I think the trick is to walk down far enough away from the gate and the police so that the driver can avoid any hassles.

Only in the Philippines. Some taxis on the road were braking near the exit. Then they would go into reverse and back up to an area where they could then enter the taxi lineup. Just a reminder that you really are in a 3rd world country.[/QUOTE]Have been driving in Cebu City regularly (or irregularly?) during the past year, and it is a real adventure, to express things mildly. After nearly half a century of driving in various cities and countries, Cebu City traffic strikes me as being among the most interesting. Quickly come to realize that there is but one rule: "There are no rules."

Pedestrians and motorcycle riders here are the worst. Jeepneys and taxis are a close second. Large private SUVs (especially black ones) are also unpredictable. Not to mention the bicycles, trikes, cats, dogs, chickens, carabao, and other assorted creatures and things traversing the roads.

The prevailing mindset of pedestrians and drivers (assuming that they are conscious, which sometimes may be a stretch) apparently is that this is their country and their city, and so they are entitled to do anything, anywhere, at any time.

All streets, even major thoroughfares, are one big pedestrian walking area (not just for crossing, but even for aimless ambling down all areas of the streets at any time of day or night). Motorcycle riders regard all lanes as their private turf, zooming recklessly in and out of traffic, appropriating one or even two oncoming lanes, hilariously going the wrong way directly against traffic, unpredictably stopping anywhere and everywhere, making sudden you-turns, especially in front of "no you-turn" signs, and "economizing" by not turning on headlights or tail lights at night. Heisenberg (or Kafka?) would be at home here.

One comes to realize that there will be no improvement, and no point in becoming upset or letting blood pressure rise. Better just to regard it all as dispassionately as possible, and to expect the unexpected. After a certain point, it even becomes funny (ludicrous), with its own unique pulse or rhythm.

Traffic will be even more interesting here next week, with Sinulog (Pit Señor Sto Nino), parades, road closures, and even more mass congestion. Might be a good time to visit Dumaguete again?

If life is an adventure, then driving in Cebu City is for the more adventurous!

Peace,

OM.

KK: Clean out your mailbox.

[QUOTE=Omega3;1982896]Have been driving in Cebu City regularly (or irregularly?) during the past year, and it is a real adventure, to express things mildly. After nearly half a century of driving in various cities and countries, Cebu City traffic strikes me as being among the most interesting. Quickly come to realize that there is but one rule: "There are no rules."

Pedestrians and motorcycle riders here are the worst. Jeepneys and taxis are a close second. Large private SUVs (especially black ones) are also unpredictable. Not to mention the bicycles, trikes, cats, dogs, chickens, carabao, and other assorted creatures and things traversing the roads.

The prevailing mindset of pedestrians and drivers (assuming that they are conscious, which sometimes may be a stretch) apparently is that this is their country and their city, and so they are entitled to do anything, anywhere, at any time...[/QUOTE]I live Cebu at times and the traffic there is fine, depends on the perception and frame of reference you use. Live / drive in Iran, Egypt, Saudi and few African places and Cebu traffic is benign and tame apart from the 20+ motorbikes in front of you at the lights. Cebu is growing so traffic jams are more especially around 5-7 pm around Ayala (very messy) but nothing like those countries I have mentioned and driven in. There you need a 6th sense and an ability to create an extra lane when there is noe LOL.

Sinulog is a time to avoid IMHO. What other place / city closes all educational establishments for a week because of a fiesta?

But Cebu traffic is boring IMHO, easy, simple and tame.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1983617]I live Cebu at times and the traffic there is fine, depends on the perception and frame of reference you use. Live / drive in Iran, Egypt, Saudi and few African places and Cebu traffic is benign and tame apart from the 20+ motorbikes in front of you at the lights. Cebu is growing so traffic jams are more especially around 5-7 pm around Ayala (very messy) but nothing like those countries I have mentioned and driven in. There you need a 6th sense and an ability to create an extra lane when there is noe LOL.

Sinulog is a time to avoid IMHO. What other place / city closes all educational establishments for a week because of a fiesta?

But Cebu traffic is boring IMHO, easy, simple and tame.[/QUOTE]I think the difference in perception can be largely attributed to experience driving in the third world. For those accustomed to countries in which people usually obey traffic rules, driving in any big city here is likely a nightmare. For those of us who, for the past few decades have become inured to driving in the third world, where traffic rules are viewed more as suggestions, and are largely unenforced at any rate, driving here represents no particular challenge. True, the routine left turns from the right lane, the motorcycles with no lights, the use of lanes intended for traffic going in the opposite direction, the oblivious jeepney and trike drivers are nuisances, but over time one learns to anticipate the idiocy and it becomes more or less normal. Like WR, I've driven in places that were more anarchic (Vietnam, Thailand, Uganda, Mozambique and more) than here, but even in those countries, once you've internalized the patterns, you learn to anticipate and it all becomes normal. My major fear when driving here is pedestrians crossing largely unlit streets at night or bicycle riders, with no lights, no reflectors, and wearing dark clothes.

GE.

Well I'm back after a successful first semester in college after exiting the military. I finally got myself a subscription in preparation for my first trip. Any advice is appreciated and I will heed it. I was originally shooting for two weeks in may, however it doesn't look like I'll be able to make it with school. So I was planning on going in late August and staying for about a month. My only experience with Filipina's where with the bar girls while I was stationed in Korea. They were wonderful. A little back story about me is I recently got out of the Army and after serving three deployments I have been dying for a trip like this. I really need to some down time to unwind. I have traveled before but only for the military, I have never been anywhere In the Far East or Pacific outside of Korea.

My main goal of the trip will be to relax and focus on having fun with the girls. I am not a big eater or drinker. I would say I could possibly average about two to three drinks a day on this trip which is a lot for me. I imagine most days I won't drink at all. So I am hoping to dedicate most of my budget to female entertainment. I would like to see a girl for LT everyday if possible, and on occasion take two or even three. But I can adjust my budget accordingly and I hope to add to it by the trip date.

My current budget is about 5,000 USD for the trip. This is after covering my hotels and plane ticket. I will be flying out of Raleigh North Carolina. Not sure if the info is relevant but I am a 29 year old 6'3 white guy.

I was planning on staying 13 days at Pacific Breeze in Angeles and about 17 days at The Pub Hotel in Subic Bay. This is based of previous advice you guys gave me and some research I have done. Subic Bay seems like my style as I really enjoy a low key environment.

I appreciate your time and any advice. I wanted to make sure I got fully prepared for my trip in advance as I'm not a seasoned traveler. Thanks.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1983865]I think the difference in perception can be largely attributed to experience driving in the third world. For those accustomed to countries in which people usually obey traffic rules, driving in any big city here is likely a nightmare. For those of us who, for the past few decades have become inured to driving in the third world, where traffic rules are viewed more as suggestions, and are largely unenforced at any rate, driving here represents no particular challenge. True, the routine left turns from the right lane, the motorcycles with no lights, the use of lanes intended for traffic going in the opposite direction, the oblivious jeepney and trike drivers are nuisances, but over time one learns to anticipate the idiocy and it becomes more or less normal. Like WR, I've driven in places that were more anarchic (Vietnam, Thailand, Uganda, Mozambique and more) than here, but even in those countries, once you've internalized the patterns, you learn to anticipate and it all becomes normal. My major fear when driving here is pedestrians crossing largely unlit streets at night or bicycle riders, with no lights, no reflectors, and wearing dark clothes.

GE.[/QUOTE]Thanks to WR and GE for their interesting and enlightening observations.

Thanks also to GE for noting that perceptions are intrinsically subjective. See, for example, Kurosawa's classic, Rashomon. With regard to local traffic, truly, your "mileage may vary."

Certainly, there are a few drivers who are exceptionally enlightened, who can surmount local traffic conditions with aplomb. I would suggest, however, with all due respect, that for the rest of us mere mortals, local traffic often can be shudder-inducing.

I do not espouse its methodology or findings, but the Waze Driver Satisfaction Index 2016 (which "analyzes the driving experiences of millions of monthly active Waze users in 38 countries and 235 metros") is interesting.

Of 186 global cities rated by Waze, Cebu was dead last, at #186, with a "miserable" index of 1. 15. Manila is rated at #170, with an index of 3.68, actually "better" than Cebu and certain cities in Indonesia, El Salvador, Brazil, Colombia, South Africa, and Russia. Angeles was #147, with an index of 4. 55.

On a "per country" basis, Philippines was rated #37, and saved only by El Salvador from being dead last.

Having been enlightened by the posts of WR and GE, I note that the areas in Africa and the Middle East which they mention (which areas I have never visited, thank God) perhaps were not included in the Waze survey.

Locally, the 9-16-16 Cebu Sunstar (daily newspaper) reported, "Cebu City Mayor Tomas Osmena agreed with the survey result of Waze, tagging Cebu as the worst metro to drive in. " Of course, Mayor Tom's focus seems to have shifted this time around, and he seems to spend much time "bashing" his predecessor in office, who in turn had the temerity to supplant Mayor Tom a couple of terms ago.

As Georgie Best might have said, "Life is a big giggle."

OM.

[QUOTE=Halifax2016;1985043]My main goal of the trip will be to relax and focus on having fun with the girls. I am not a big eater or drinker. I would say I could possibly average about two to three drinks a day on this trip which is a lot for me. I imagine most days I won't drink at all. So I am hoping to dedicate most of my budget to female entertainment. I would like to see a girl for LT everyday if possible, and on occasion take two or even three. But I can adjust my budget accordingly and I hope to add to it by the trip date.

My current budget is about 5,000 USD for the trip. This is after covering my hotels and plane ticket. I will be flying out of Raleigh North Carolina. Not sure if the info is relevant but I am a 29 year old 6'3 white guy.[/QUOTE]My advice will be not to get locked in to any long-term hotel reservations. I never make reservations until the day before, and then only make them for 2-3 days at a time so I can move on if I get bored, which I think you will in Subic. You can always find a hotel the night before you need one through hotel listing sights. [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] lets you collect one night free for each 10 nights you book through them. But if you are committed to staying in one location for awhile, look at AirBNB since you can get better rates than a hotel.

Utilize all potential avenues for getting female dates. Dating sites like DateInAsia and FilipinoCupid, no more than 7-10 days before arrival (the girls have short attention spans); dating apps like Skout, Badoo, WeChat when on the ground. Of course, never send money in advance. A lot of girls' sole occupation is to collect money through dating sites. You can read more about dating sites at the bottom of the Philippines Forum page. Tip: if the girl immediately wants you to Skype her, she is going to ask for money. If her profile says she is in Manila, ask her where she is; if she replies "in province" then move on, don't send her money for airfare to Manila. No sense in bringing sand to the beach.

After date-site girls, you can add in the more expensive free lancer venues like High Society in AC, Havana Caf in Makati, LA Caf in Ermita, Manila. If your budget is still going strong, then up your game to gogo clubs in AC, on Burgos Street in Makati and EDSA in Pasay, Manila.

Beware of LadyBoys, they are everywhere. If 'it' is trying to hard to look / act like a girl, 'it' probably isn't; girls just don't need to try that hard. I believe gogos are ladyboy-free still, except for the occasional Mamasan. But they populate the dating sites.

Try to get a no-charge ATM card before you go as ATM transaction fees and international service fees can really add up over the course of a month. I suggest Schwab High-interest savings account but start the process early since they do a credit check. Same thing with your credit card. NFCU has a card with no international transaction fees; I'm sure your Service's Credit Union has one as well. Personally, I prefer periodical ATM withdrawals over exchanging cash. I just don't like having that much cash on hand.

Don't fall in love. Don't put the pussy on a pedestal. But treat everyone with respect. Most have had a hard life and lack the opportunities you've had. You won't know what "poor" really means until you visit some of these SE Asian countries; then you will realize that US poor is really middle class over there.

I got to spend some time in Osan in the early 00's when they had 'Russians' available at the gogo bars. I think that was my favorite mongering period, I found some really cute sweethearts.

[QUOTE=Halifax2016;1985043]So I was planning on going in late August and staying for about a month.[/QUOTE]Holy Moly. Use the time to RTFF. Watch airline campaigns for flight deals. Orelse no bookings until a few days prior to your travel (girls incl). Don't send any money if you hit up girls prior to your trip. Planning this long time ahead could mean Phil is already a Ruski republic so you may want to visit the real Disneyland instead. Joke lang.

[QUOTE=Halifax2016;1985043]Well I'm back after a successful first semester in college after exiting the military. I finally got myself a subscription in preparation for my first trip. Any advice is appreciated and I will heed it. I was originally shooting for two weeks in may, however it doesn't look like I'll be able to make it with school. So I was planning on going in late August and staying for about a month. My only experience with Filipina's where with the bar girls while I was stationed in Korea. They were wonderful. A little back story about me is I recently got out of the Army and after serving three deployments I have been dying for a trip like this. I really need to some down time to unwind. I have traveled before but only for the military, I have never been anywhere In the Far East or Pacific outside of Korea.

My main goal of the trip will be to relax and focus on having fun with the girls. I am not a big eater or drinker. I would say I could possibly average about two to three drinks a day on this trip which is a lot for me. I imagine most days I won't drink at all. So I am hoping to dedicate most of my budget to female entertainment.,[/QUOTE]From Hell, Hull and Halifax, may the Good Lord preserve us! LOL.

Seriously though, a couple of observations that might be helpful, not just to you but anybody planning a trip.

Plane ticket. I imagine your route would be Raleigh to SanFrancisco or LA and either PAL direct or somebody else via Tokyo / Seoul / Taipei or somewhere else. Book it as a through ticket and not in segments. If a connection on a through ticket goes wrong, it is down to the airline to get you to your final destination. If you book Raleigh to LAX and LAX. Manila separately, if you miss your connection you are treated as a no-show and you have to make your own arrangements.

August is rainy season. Others can give a better idea about the weather, but when it rains, it rains, and the drainage frequently can't handle it, leading to flooding.

Your visa is issued on arrival (unless Pres Duterte follows through on his strop) but is for 29 or 30 days only. As you are looking at staying for a month, it might be worth adjusting your visit to stay within that. It's not that it will be a problem extending it but do you want the hassle and costs of renewing it for 1 or 2 days. Also, your airline might be difficult as you do not have an onward departure within the standard period.

Unless you are going to stay in Manila immediately you arrive, strongly consider booking a pick-up from your hotel. Although as ex-military, you can probably sleep anywhere, it will be a hell of a long flight and don't overlook something like 12 hours time difference.

I won't comment on AC as I have never been there, but I agree that Subic probably will bore you over 17 days. I would suggest 10 days would be enough, and the remaining 5 or 6 (see visa comments) in Manila. Yes, it's big, chaotic and dirty, but it does have a bit more to do during the day. It also has much more entertainment if you want a break from hobbying, or if funds are running low (they shouldn't on your budget). My regular Ermita hotel has 3 bar / resto / clubs within 5 minutes walk that have 3 different live bands (of varying quality) every night.

The Pub in Subic would not be my first choice. I only dropped in once, but the bar -as opposed to 'nightclub' - is almost claustrophobic as it is sandwiched between the walls of the flanking properties. My personal preference is the Arizona, but others no doubt have their own preferences.

More specific information will almost certainly be out-of-date by the time you go, but I hope these ramblings might help with stuff you might need this length of time in advance.

Good luck, and enjoy yourself and if you need more info PM me, although don't expect a reply by return!!

[QUOTE=Halifax2016;1985043]

I appreciate your time and any advice. I wanted to make sure I got fully prepared for my trip in advance as I'm not a seasoned traveler. Thanks.[/QUOTE]To echo Salty Pete's sentiments, I would heartily suggest for the Manila portion of your trip you focus on Airbnb, you'll find the prices lower than most hotels and you'll have much more space, plus a fridge, cooking and laundry appliances which can greatly reduce your costs.

My specific advice would be don't plan on staying with anyone one girl more than a few days, no matter how amazing they may appear online, trust me, you'll get bored and in PH, variety is the spice of life. Sometimes it's even good to get the odd dud hookup to make you appreciate the good ones.

The apps mentioned by SP are certainly the ones to focus on, any of those that have location based information will make it easy for you to select who to meet (because you don't want a girl having to travel all the way across manila).

Other things to note, don't go wandering down dark back alleys, be aware of your surroundings and the potential threats, don't take too much cash with you at any one time, and most importantly, be friendly and polite at all times.

Finally, if budget allows, try to get to one of the beaches on other islands (Boracay, Palawan, El Nido etc), you really won't regret it and in most of these places you'll find fair game.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1985350]Finally, if budget allows, try to get to one of the beaches on other islands (Boracay, Palawan, El Nido etc), you really won't regret it and in most of these places you'll find fair game.[/QUOTE]At 29 you will be fair game too at the beaches. Certainly don't rule out freebies from domestic or back packer tourists. If you have remained fit post-service and are polite and respectful you may even find working girls offering them selves up free of charge after work. It doesn't happen a lot (to me anyway. . . LOL) but when it does it's hard to beat a session with a knowledgeable working girl that actually wants to be there and is enjoying the session herself.

The stays you have mentioned in AC and Subic are quite long and you may find yourself getting bored and looking to move on. It would help if you post a Travel Announcement shortly before you leave as both places are much better with a wingman / experienced hand for a first timer. If you need a change the beaches are certainly a good option.

If you do find a BG that you do click with, remember it is no problem to do a "rolling" bar fine for a few days. The daily hunt can get a bit monotonous after a while and the girls will thank you for the ongoing income. If you do find a BG who is worth keeping for a few days I wouldn't plan on traveling with her. See my previous posts on traveling with a BG. There are many more options that will be available at the tourist centres.

Most importantly, don't forget to post here about your trip!

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Goferring;1985368]At 29 you will be fair game too at the beaches. Certainly don't rule out freebies from domestic or back packer tourists. If you have remained fit post-service and are polite and respectful you may even find working girls offering them selves up free of charge after work. It doesn't happen a lot (to me anyway. . . LOL) but when it does it's hard to beat a session with a knowledgeable working girl that actually wants to be there and is enjoying the session herself.

The stays you have mentioned in AC and Subic are quite long and you may find yourself getting bored and looking to move on. It would help if you post a Travel Announcement shortly before you leave as both places are much better with a wingman / experienced hand for a first timer. If you need a change the beaches are certainly a good option.

If you do find a BG that you do click with, remember it is no problem to do a "rolling" bar fine for a few days. The daily hunt can get a bit monotonous after a while and the girls will thank you for the ongoing income. If you do find a BG who is worth keeping for a few days I wouldn't plan on traveling with her. See my previous posts on traveling with a BG. There are many more options that will be available at the tourist centres.

Most importantly, don't forget to post here about your trip!

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Oh wow, I haven't seen such a welcoming response from the gents here to a question since, give or take, ever.

It must be your lucky day, Halifax.

I will add my 2 cents by saying I totally agree with most that was said.

I would not spend as much time in Subic, nor in Angeles (though that place heaven.).

I would definitely spend some time in Manila, as there is tons to do there and the widest variety of ladies to chose from. When in Manila I would definitely spend some weekend nights visiting BGC nightclubs (Valkyrie, Prive) or even Gramercy69, many young Pinays are more than willing to hook up with a young foreigner.

In addition, I will add to goffering than being in my late 20's and early 30's most of my visits, I have had an average of more than 1 girl per trip in Burgos or EDSA complex that would take my number and ask to meet for free after they left. Some of them I never barfined, they took my phone in the bar and texted themselves so they have my number. And I am anything but a good looking guy, just be a nice happy guy and wear your smile on going out.

The amount of freebies you could potentially get in a month in Manila is pretty rediculous compared to anywhere else I've been.

I have a different experience than goffering, my friend and I both took 2 Atlantis girls from AC to Boracay for 4 days and it was great fun, though I guess having my mate around did contribute to it (we did split lots of the time, still was a great trip).

As people suggested don't fall in love to early, don't contribute any money, and stay put anywhere for too long. Much to explore around the Phil, though I would not spend less than week either Manila or AC.

Enjoy,

Dave.

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;1985539]Oh wow, I haven't seen such a welcoming response from the gents here to a question since, give or take, ever.

It must be your lucky day, Halifax.

In addition, I will add to goffering than being in my late 20's and early 30's most of my visits, I have had an average of more than 1 girl per trip in Burgos or EDSA complex that would take my number and ask to meet for free after they left.[/QUOTE]I think this is precisely why Halifax is getting so much assistance. Many of us have very fond memories of arriving in Asia in our 20's. For me it was decades ago and thinking back nearly brought a tear to the eye. Aaaah them were the days!!

This reminds me of a story where we had a young guy arrive - 20 something, tall, blond, surfer dude. We took him out and needless to say the girls were very very receptive. When the old hands spread the story that he was a virgin as his fiancé had died of cancer before the wedding they were positively frothing at the mouth. The guy never know what was happening nor what hit him as the entire bar wanted to take him out back and solve his perceived problem. For some reason he was "sick" and never made it to work the next day. Lucky bastard.

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;1985539]Oh wow, I haven't seen such a welcoming response from the gents here to a question since, give or take, ever.

It must be your lucky day, Halifax.

[/QUOTE]I imagine a lot of us want to help out a fellow former service member. Also, he spent some time writing up a post, not just asking for girls' digits, bro.

I think most if us are in agreement that H shouldn't commit to any long-term plan but rather, just go with the flow. If you will be in Manila, then I suggest spending 2-3 nights in Makati to check out Burgos Street, and another 2-3 in Pasay to explore EDSA. These venues are not in close proximity to each other and sitting in traffic between Pasay and Manila for 1-2 hours during rush hour is a waste of time, and quite painful if you have to take a leak. You can reach Ermita / LA Café easily enough from Pasay.

I forgot that you are relatively young; the clubs will definitely be a fertile hunting ground for someone your age with game. I believe the cheapest option there would be to buy a bottle and share with girls, rather than but individual drinks. But I have never been, being 50 without much game.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1985595]I imagine a lot of us want to help out a fellow former service member. Also, he spent some time writing up a post, not just asking for girls' digits, bro.

I think most if us are in agreement that H shouldn't commit to any long-term plan but rather, just go with the flow. If you will be in Manila, then I suggest spending 2-3 nights in Makati to check out Burgos Street, and another 2-3 in Pasay to explore EDSA. These venues are not in close proximity to each other and sitting in traffic between Pasay and Manila for 1-2 hours during rush hour is a waste of time, and quite painful if you have to take a leak. You can reach Ermita / LA Caf easily enough from Pasay.

I forgot that you are relatively young; the clubs will definitely be a fertile hunting ground for someone your age with game. I believe the cheapest option there would be to buy a bottle and share with girls, rather than but individual drinks. But I have never been, being 50 without much game.[/QUOTE]Hey SP,

I didn't mean to come off as if it is a negative thing, I'm totally up for giving a helping hand to a fellow monger in need. Kudos to everyone willing to contribute.

I have always been a Makati guy myself, and never found any trouble travelling towards EDSA Complex or Roxas Blvd in general (It has several venues on it which are also pretty nice, though become very expensive when a foreigner sets his foot inside them). The worst traffic I got stuck in going west (towards EDSA Complex / Roxas Blvd / MOA / COD) from Makati took me 35-40 minutes around noon-time or in the evenings. I do agree leaving Makati anytime between 4-7 PM in any direction other than straight to skyway is totally insane.

I found that the best hotels, restaurants and overall activities are in Makati, and by using Waze one can reach pretty much anywhere when needed. The only really horrible traffic I met was when travelling to QC after 3 PM.

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;1985539]Oh wow, I haven't seen such a welcoming response from the gents here to a question since, give or take, ever.

It must be your lucky day, Halifax.[/QUOTE]The Phils threads are a bit different (regarding helping newbs) than other threads, and for good reason. I'm torn every time a newb writes for help. Should I respond on the open forum? I choose not to, I ask him to contact me in PM. Especially if he is not yet a member; nothing is as low-life as going on a public forum, not joining, then asking [I]"Hey bro's where can I find the hottest chicks in Manila? Its my first time there next month. Can anyone help me with digits, I'd like to seed your girl!" Alternately: Where can I find the best hotel?[/I] The reason: The vast majority of 'bro's get their information from the old guard, then never post a Field Report (no kidding, look thru the posts from the long history of this board). We call that "Taking without giving". Its a bit like showing up at a pot-luck meal without bringing food. Thanks! But NO THANKS! I'd rather not help someone who takes but does not give back. I'm sure Halifax will write us up at least one descriptive FR later.

[QUOTE=Goferring;1985559]I think this is precisely why Halifax is getting so much assistance. Many of us have very fond memories of arriving in Asia in our 20's. For me it was decades ago and thinking back nearly brought a tear to the eye. Aaaah them were the days!! [/QUOTE]Phils is a mystical (and sometimes dangerous), magical (and odd), and wonderful (and always changing) place filled with an eastern culture (read throwback / tribal) and extreme poverty that runs smack-dab (180 degrees counter) into your (our) Western thinking, where you see something new (and strange) every day. Mabuhay (Welcome)! Example: In the province, I saw a red firetruck (nothing unusual there). Back in Malate a few days later, walking down the street, I saw a purple firetruck on Adriatico, with flames painted on the sides. Who paints a firetruck purple? It seems so strange, yet: why not? The flames were small just behind the front axle, building to large near the rear of the vehicle (appearing to be blown backwards, making the truck appear to be moving fast), similar to a quarter-mile rail dragster. Now *that's* funny!

[QUOTE=Goferring;1985559]This reminds me of a story where we had a young guy arrive - 20 something, tall, blond, surfer dude. We took him out and needless to say the girls were very very receptive. When the old hands spread the story that he was a virgin as his fianc had died of cancer before the wedding they were positively frothing at the mouth. The guy never know what was happening nor what hit him as the entire bar wanted to take him out back and solve his perceived problem. For some reason he was "sick" and never made it to work the next day. Lucky bastard. [/QUOTE]*Great* story! ROD!

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1985595]I imagine a lot of us want to help out a fellow former service member. Also, he spent some time writing up a post, not just asking for girls' digits, bro. [/QUOTE]Halifax was kind enough to also contact some of the old guard in PM. TYS.

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;1985617]I have always been a Makati guy myself, and never found any trouble travelling towards EDSA Complex or Roxas Blvd in general (It has several venues on it which are also pretty nice, though become very expensive when a foreigner sets his foot inside them). The worst traffic I got stuck in going west (towards EDSA Complex / Roxas Blvd / MOA / COD) from Makati took me 35-40 minutes around noon-time or in the evenings. I do agree leaving Makati anytime between 4-7 PM in any direction other than straight to skyway is totally insane.

I found that the best hotels, restaurants and overall activities are in Makati, and by using Waze one can reach pretty much anywhere when needed. The only really horrible traffic I met was when travelling to QC after 3 PM.[/QUOTE]Taxi drivers have called the area of Makati Avenue (both directions) between Burgos and Greenbelt, approximately between 5-7 pm-ish, "The parking lot". Last June my girl and I taxi'd from A Venue to Greenbelt about 3 pm; the traffic was not too bad and the trip (how far is that gents? 1 or 1. 5 miles?) was about 10-15 minutes in the taxi. Past 5 pm, the return could easily be 30-40 minutes, and you might have great trouble:

1. Getting a taxi from the mall back to your hotel, as they cannot reach the mall because traffic is so bad, and.

2. Getting an Uber / Grab, for the same reason.

I greatly appreciate all the help you guys have provided and the warm welcome. I definitely need this trip and I have felt for awhile that I needed to get away and relax. I am going through all the advice and keeping track of needed adjustments I should make. I'll make sure to stay well under the 30 day visa limit now. Maybe I could do 10 days in AC and 10 in Subic with and additional 5 in Manila. I am an easily excited guy and I tend to over think things. But I do enjoy moving on from place to place so I'll make sure not to get tied down at one hotel for too long and go with the flow more.

I should say I was planning on covering the cost of hotels with my credit card. I will make sure to look into Airbnb's as well and not get locked in to long term hotel bookings. I will be avoiding ladyboys like the plague and will heed the advice on how to spot them. I will definitely continue to RTFF and learn all the wisdom I can before departing.

I will check out the Arizona hotel in Subic. A rolling bar fine would be a great idea for me as I am pretty easy to please after I've had a few wild nights. And I would certainly enjoy the nicer beaches.

I will make sure to post here about my trip. Until then I will sit back and learn all I can.

You guys have been a huge help and I already feel more at ease about the trip. Thank you everyone.

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;1985617]Hey SP,

I didn't mean to come off as if it is a negative thing, I'm totally up for giving a helping hand to a fellow monger in need. [/QUOTE]

I did not take offense. Also, the "digits, bro" comment was not aimed at you, but at folks from the sub-continent who just come on here looking for telephone numbers.

I once jetted from Heritage Hotel in Pasay to Greenbelt in Makati in about 35 minutes in rush hour, a couple of years ago, and 25 minutes back later in the night. Maybe it is just me, but traffic seems so much worse now and I just do not have the patience. But checking out from a hotel and checking in to a different one is a PITA as well. Thanks for adding your thoughts.

On my last visit, I left the Heritage at 6pm for a 7:30 date in SM Megamall, Oritigas (Waze showed it to be a 50 minute drive; my taxi driver was using it as well). I could have run there quicker. After 2.5 hours my date and I called it a day and I had the taxi turn around to take me back. Thank God for EDSA right across the street.

A good guide to pinoy language and the cultural equivalents, such as "utang na loob", "bahala na", "tampo" etc. Probably good primer reading for anyone visiting the country.

[URL]http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Philippines/sub5_6c/entry-3868.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1985979]A good guide to pinoy language and the cultural equivalents, such as "utang na loob", "bahala na", "tampo" etc. Probably good primer reading for anyone visiting the country.

[URL]http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Philippines/sub5_6c/entry-3868.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Westie,

Great informative and accurate site.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Halifax2016;1985798]I'll make sure to stay well under the 30 day visa limit now. Maybe I could do 10 days in AC and 10 in Subic with and additional 5 in Manila. [/QUOTE]I don't know whether you actually want to stay longer than 30 days, but extending a tourist visa is easy to do. Here's the info, [URL]http://www.immigration.gov.ph/faqs/extensionofstay[/URL] and [URL]http://www.immigration.gov.ph/visa-requirements/non-immigrant-visa/temporary-visitor-visa/extension-of-authorized-stay-beyond-59-days.[/URL] As a Yank, you may stay up to 36 months without leaving the country provided you complete the extension applications. You can check the website for Immigration offices.

Regarding traffic, it's definitely getting worse fast. Lately, the main road to Batangas has been jammed every weekend I've tried driving it, whereas it wasn't that bad this time last year.

Restaurants are also frequently packed these days, even the more expensive ones like Shakey's.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1985979]A good guide to pinoy language and the cultural equivalents, such as "utang na loob", "bahala na", "tampo" etc. Probably good primer reading for anyone visiting the country.

[URL]http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Philippines/sub5_6c/entry-3868.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the link; it provides an interesting overview of some key facets of the culture and society. I thought the explanation of "utang na loob" was especially good, and the "tampo" description, for anyone who has ever been on the receiving end, was funny and accurate.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1986623]Thanks for the link; it provides an interesting overview of some key facets of the culture and society. I thought the explanation of "utang na loob" was especially good, and the "tampo" description, for anyone who has ever been on the receiving end, was funny and accurate. [/QUOTE]If anyone wants to explore a more "in-depth" analysis of the filipino mind, a series of books by Tomas D. Andres are worth reading (all available in National Book Store and Powerbooks).

I have them all. Two more general selected titles are:

Understanding the Filipino.

Understanding Filipino Values.

Another good insightful book is Working with Filipinos, by F. Landa Jocano.

A classic set of stories that are very easy to read are The Rosales novels, by the highly-esteemed Filipino National Artist for Literature, F. Sionil Jose.

Frankie, as he is known by his friends, is now very old but until recently used to sit in front of La Solidaridad, his own bookshop in P. Faura Street not far from Robinson's in Malate. I had the pleasure of meeting him around 15 years ago.

The Rosales Saga is set in Ilokos in the 1880's and has 5 novels that should be read in the following order: Po-on; Tree; My Brother, My Executioner; The Pretenders and finally, Mass.

If you want to read just one book that covers WW2 and the Manila of the 40's and 50's through to the Marcos years and gives an insight into the bar industry, read one of my favorite novels called Ermita, again by F. Sionil Jose.

It's brilliant.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1985950]

On my last visit, I left the Heritage at 6pm for a 7:30 date in SM Megamall, Oritigas (Waze showed it to be a 50 minute drive; my taxi driver was using it as well). I could have run there quicker. After 2.5 hours my date and I called it a day and I had the taxi turn around to take me back. Thank God for EDSA right across the street.[/QUOTE]Average speed in EDSA according to a government survey that I read last years was 11 km per hour. During peak times went down to 8. 8 km per hour. The new government was / is claiming improvements because it had increased by 1 km pr hour.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1986645]If anyone wants to explore a more "in-depth" analysis of the filipino mind, a series of books by Tomas D. Andres are worth reading (all available in National Book Store and Powerbooks).

I have them all. Two more general selected titles are:

Understanding the Filipino.

Understanding Filipino Values.

Another good insightful book is Working with Filipinos, by F. Landa Jocano.

A classic set of stories that are very easy to read are The Rosales novels, by the highly-esteemed Filipino National Artist for Literature, F. Sionil Jose.[/QUOTE]Thanks to Red Kilt for his suggested reading list, which sounds fascinating. I love to read, and am looking forward to buying and reading these books.

Last year, after enjoying a meal at Pia (y) Damaso restaurant in Greenbelt 5, was motivated to finally read the historical novel Noli me Tangere (which I understand also can be translated from the Latin as "Don't Tread on Me" - sound familiar?) by Jose Rizal.

Written toward the end of the 19th century, Noli provides fascinating historical background, especially regarding the latter period of Spanish colonization and the perceived role of the Church and its priests in the Philippines, and yields valuable insights from Rizal into the Filipino psyche.

Turns out that Pia and (Padre) Damaso were the biological parents of the pure but tragic heroine Maria Clara.

Also tried to read the sequel, El Filibusterismo, but still have not finished it. Fili is quite a bit darker than Noli, and reading Fili, for me, takes much more effort.

Happy reading to all!

OM.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1986645]IA classic set of stories that are very easy to read are The Rosales novels, by the highly-esteemed Filipino National Artist for Literature, F. Sionil Jose.

Frankie, as he is known by his friends, is now very old but until recently used to sit in front of La Solidaridad, his own bookshop in P. Faura Street not far from Robinson's in Malate. I had the pleasure of meeting him around 15 years ago.

The Rosales Saga is set in Ilokos in the 1880's and has 5 novels that should be read in the following order: Po-on; Tree; My Brother, My Executioner; The Pretenders and finally, Mass.

If you want to read just one book that covers WW2 and the Manila of the 40's and 50's through to the Marcos years and gives an insight into the bar industry, read one of my favorite novels called Ermita, again by F. Sionil Jose.

It's brilliant.[/QUOTE]Terrific writer! I met him about 25 years ago when I was browsing La Solidaridad. Gagamba, about the clientele of an infamous restaurant-cum-casa, is my favorite of his novels, and I've turned on some of my girls to him. And yes, he still hangs out at his bookshop from time to time. His opinions about Tsinoys has sparked some controversy over the past few years, but having read Amy "Tiger Mom" Chua's book World on Fire: How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred and Global Instability, I think there is some merit to his views. Chau's family is Tsinoy. For a taste of what she wrote, [URL]http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/amy-chua-philippines-chinese-minority-free-market-democracy-ethnic-hatred;[/URL] and his article is here, [URL]http://opinion.inquirer.net/87045/to-tell-truth-about-chinoys-and-love-of-country-are-not-racist.[/URL].

Another great writer is Nick Joaquin; The Woman Who Had Two Navels is a good start with his work.

Thanks Huts. I 'm hoping to do a six month sabbatical there pre-retirement in a couple of years.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1986553]I don't know whether you actually want to stay longer than 30 days, but extending a tourist visa is easy to do. Here's the info, [URL]http://www.immigration.gov.ph/faqs/extensionofstay[/URL] and [URL]http://www.immigration.gov.ph/visa-requirements/non-immigrant-visa/temporary-visitor-visa/extension-of-authorized-stay-beyond-59-days.[/URL] As a Yank, you may stay up to 36 months without leaving the country provided you complete the extension applications. You can check the website for Immigration offices.[/QUOTE].

Yes, thanks, Westie. Read this with great interest. I'm wondering if the Filipinas who scammed me (small amounts) feel any Utang na Loob. I've also experienced tampo first hand and it's a magnified version of wrong time of the month that can happen any time.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1985979]A good guide to pinoy language and the cultural equivalents, such as "utang na loob", "bahala na", "tampo" etc. Probably good primer reading for anyone visiting the country.

[URL]http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Philippines/sub5_6c/entry-3868.html[/URL][/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=DCups;1987158]Yes, thanks, Westie. [/QUOTE]Walang anuman.

[QUOTE=DCups;1987158]I'm wondering if the Filipinas who scammed me (small amounts) feel any Utang na Loob. [/QUOTE]Abosultely not. She's never been indebted to you -- she will not see herself as owing you anything. Scammers put themselves above all else (they rarely consider others). Asians also put their family / neighbors / friends / boyfriend above you. Her proceeds might also go to them; hence no indebtedness or sorrow for you or your loss.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1987142]Terrific writer! I met him about 25 years ago when I was browsing La Solidaridad. Gagamba, about the clientele of an infamous restaurant-cum-casa, is my favorite of his novels, and I've turned on some of my girls to him. And yes, he still hangs out at his bookshop from time to time. His opinions about Tsinoys has sparked some controversy over the past few years, but having read Amy "Tiger Mom" Chua's book World on Fire: How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred and Global Instability, I think there is some merit to his views. Chau's family is Tsinoy. For a taste of what she wrote, [URL]http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/amy-chua-philippines-chinese-minority-free-market-democracy-ethnic-hatred;[/URL] and his article is here, [URL]http://opinion.inquirer.net/87045/to-tell-truth-about-chinoys-and-love-of-country-are-not-racist.[/URL].

Another great writer is Nick Joaquin; The Woman Who Had Two Navels is a good start with his work.[/QUOTE]Thanks to Hutsori, for continuing RK's eye-opening post with recommendations of additional good books (and authors) to read.

Can't believe, after so many years here off and on, that I never before had heard of Nick Joaquin or F. Sionil Jose or La Solidarid bookstore on P. Faure St. Used to hang out quite a bit in Ermita, more so in the past (particularly in pre-Mayor Lim days) with many fond memories. Must travel to Ermita again soon and visit the bookstore. Maybe, if lucky, will have the chance to meet F. Sionil Jose in person, although reckon he is getting on in years. (Aren't we all?

Hutsori's links also were interesting. Jose's views, and Amy Chua's article, were on point. Will have to buy and read her book also.

Extrapolating (stretching?) in a more general vein, recently read Jean Bricmont's Humanitarian Imperialism. Fascinating reading.

Good on ya, mates!

OM.

Solidaridad Bookshop is now on my must do list. I have walked past the place on numerous occasions and never thought to go inside. I will rectify that ommission on my next trip. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1987142]Terrific writer! I met him about 25 years ago when I was browsing La Solidaridad.
Gagamba, about the clientele of an infamous restaurant-cum-casa, is my favorite of his novels, and I've turned on some of my girls to him. And yes, he still hangs out at his bookshop from time to time.[/QUOTE]He has just turned 93 in December and he rarely visits the bookstore any more.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1987394]Solidaridad Bookshop is now on my must do list. I have walked past the place on numerous occasions and never thought to go inside. I will rectify that ommission on my next trip. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Check out [URL]http://www.wheninmanila.com/solidaridad-a-gem-of-a-bookstore/[/URL] for a nice review.

La Solidaridad Bookstore has a FB site too.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1986553]I don't know whether you actually want to stay longer than 30 days, but extending a tourist visa is easy to do. Here's the info, [URL]http://www.immigration.gov.ph/faqs/extensionofstay[/URL] and [URL]http://www.immigration.gov.ph/visa-requirements/non-immigrant-visa/temporary-visitor-visa/extension-of-authorized-stay-beyond-59-days.[/URL] As a Yank, you may stay up to 36 months without leaving the country provided you complete the extension applications. You can check the website for Immigration offices.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the link I'll look into it.

I haven't been this excited in years LOL.

January 18 2016.

Philippine police kidnapped and murdered a South Korean businessman, then led his wife to believe he was alive for months to extort money from her, authorities said Wednesday.

The killing is the latest in a long series of criminal acts by the Philippine police force, regarded as one of the nation's most corrupt institutions, and has fuelled concerns about its role enforcing President Rodrigo Duterte's deadly crime war.

The man disappeared from his home in the northern city of Angeles in October last year, and his wife initially paid a ransom of five million pesos ($100,000), national police spokesman Dionardo Carlos told AFP.

- Fake drug raid -.

However, the man was strangled to death and burned to ashes in a crematorium on the day he was abducted, the South Korean foreign ministry said, citing a Philippine government report. The crematorium was owned by a former police officer, the foreign ministry said.

The South Korean government identified the man only by his surname of Ji and said he was in his 50's. Philippine media said he was a businessman who had been living in the Philippines since 2008 and had been working for a manpower company.

South Korean Foreign Minister Yun Byung-Se demanded answers after receiving a phone call from Philippine Foreign Secretary Perfecto Yasay to inform him of the murder.

"Minister Yun, expressing grave shock over the implication of Philippine police officers in the case, asked that the Philippine government get to the bottom of the case and bring those responsible to justice," a foreign ministry spokesman said.

Ricky Santa Isabel, one of the officers accused of going to Ji's house and abducting him, surrendered this week, according to Carlos, the police spokesman. He said another two officers who went with him to the house, as well as their superior, were under investigation. All four accused officers were from the Anti-Illegal Drugs Group based at national police headquarters in Manila, according to Carlos. He said a retired police officer was also believed to be involved but had fled to Canada, and that there were South Korean accomplices. Carlos did not elaborate on the identities or actions of the South Korean suspects. Santa Isabel and his two colleagues went to Ji's house on the pretext of a drug raid, according to Carlos. The abductors demanded from Ji's wife a ransom of eight million pesos on October 30,12 days after he was killed, according to the Philippine Daily Inquirer newspaper, which first reported the news.

It said that she paid five million pesos ($100,000), but the kidnappers then demanded another 4. 5 million pesos and continued to say he was alive.

The case has drawn criticism from some lawmakers and media in the Philippines as an example of corrupt policemen expanding their illegal activities after being given freedoms by Duterte to prosecute his war on drugs. Duterte has encouraged police to kill drug traffickers and addicts, and vowed to shield them from prosecution.

Nearly 6,000 people have died in Duterte's drug war since he took office in the middle of last year.

Carlos insisted to AFP the abduction of Ji was not related to Duterte's drug war, saying the problem of kidnappings for ransom by corrupt police had existed for a long time. "It turned out it was an old modus operandi where bad cops claim there is a drug raid and turn it into a kidnap for ransom," Carlos said.

At least 167 policemen are under investigation for being involved in various money-making rackets, some of them under the cover of the drug war, Metro Manila police chief Oscar Albayalde told reporters.

The police force was among the most corrupt national agencies, according to a 2015 report from the national ombudsman.

A 2013 survey by anti-graft watchdog Transparency International also found that the police force was perceived by Filipinos to be the Philippines' most corrupt institution.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/korean-kidnapped-murdered-philippine-police-seoul-031707945.html[/URL]

I left home without any KY jelly or astrolube. 7-11 did not have any. Where can I get it here, any drugstore? Most girls I'm with don't seem to know what it is, so I gather it is not readily available.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1991425]I left home without any KY jelly or astrolube. 7-11 did not have any. Where can I get it here, any drugstore? Most girls I'm with don't seem to know what it is, so I gather it is not readily available.[/QUOTE]I have gotten KY jelly from Mercury and Watsons Drugs, but they did not have water soluble lubes like astroglide. YMMV. My experience has been that, once you introduce them to it, they appreciate it. Now somebody will suggest that needing it reflects a failure to get them properly aroused. I think that small-statured women, like most Pinays, if they are with a particular man for the first or second time, have reason to be a little nervous about Western men's equipment and technique.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1991434]I have gotten KY jelly from Mercury and Watsons Drugs, but they did not have water soluble lubes like astroglide. YMMV. My experience has been that, once you introduce them to it, they appreciate it. Now somebody will suggest that needing it reflects a failure to get them properly aroused. I think that small-statured women, like most Pinays, if they are with a particular man for the first or second time, have reason to be a little nervous about Western men's equipment and technique.[/QUOTE]It's been available at every Mercury Drugs I've tried. I've often had to ask as they size up the lady I came in with over at the drinks cooler. YMMV but I usually found it in some kind of tear-open mini-packs instead of a plastic bottle I'm used too. It seems like they use "KY" as a generic term for personal lubricant, water-soluble or not, but they've always understood my request by that name.

[QUOTE=Devcoder;1991384]Hello guys,

Planning a vacation to Phili for having fun with some nice girls.

But would appreciate a place that looks nice and maybe has a few beaches.

Whats the place for both in Phili?

Thanks![/QUOTE]In addition to WC's suggestions, you have Dumaguete. I would say that's the nicest looking place in the Philippines with good beaches and hot girls at the same place. The other poster was being sarcastic, Mindanao should be avoided due to safety concerns.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1991534]The other poster was being sarcastic, Mindanao should be avoided due to safety concerns.[/QUOTE]So. . . The beaches of Zambo are out?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1991603]So. . . The beaches of Zambo are out?[/QUOTE]Patikul beach in Sulu just east of Jolo city limits is fantastically beautiful. The ladies on the island are indeed lovely.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1991607]Patikul beach in Sulu just east of Jolo city limits is fantastically beautiful. The ladies on the island are indeed lovely.[/QUOTE]Indeed they are, and quite safe and free from other meddlesome foreigners.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1991607]Patikul beach in Sulu just east of Jolo city limits is fantastically beautiful. The ladies on the island are indeed lovely.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1991784]Indeed they are, and quite safe and free from other meddlesome foreigners.[/QUOTE]You guys are baaaaaaaaaaaddddddddd. . .

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1991425]I left home without any KY jelly or astrolube. 7-11 did not have any. Where can I get it here, any drugstore? Most girls I'm with don't seem to know what it is, so I gather it is not readily available.[/QUOTE]All Watsons and Mercury Drug stores have all manner of varieties available as part of the condom display.

Robinsons Department stores also carries lube. Condoms are usually located in the "Men's Zone" along with shaving blades, shaving creams etc. Look for both tubes and sachets.

Check out WRs pics where his ladies insert the tube as a substitute for a vibrator (without vibrations).

KY Jelly is very expensive here and is usually not on display. You will need to ask for it, and IMHO it is unnecessary given the plethora of other water-soluble products.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1991810]All Watsons and Mercury Drug stores have all manner of varieties available as part of the condom display.

Robinsons Department stores also carries lube. Condoms are usually located in the "Men's Zone" along with shaving blades, shaving creams etc. Look for both tubes and sachets.

Check out WRs pics where his ladies insert the tube as a substitute for a vibrator (without vibrations).

KY Jelly is very expensive here and is usually not on display. You will need to ask for it, and IMHO it is unnecessary given the plethora of other water-soluble products.[/QUOTE]Thanks, RK. I will go check them out now. I haven't needed lube yet but it is always best to have some on hand. I don't care too much which brand I get, although the girls have been pleased with the KY warming lube I've used in the past. I actually gave my last tube away which is why I am without.

Hey guys,

I'm heading overseas next month and thinking of staying a few nights in AC. What's your general daily cost?

Thank you!

[QUOTE=Reservoirdog68;1992991]Hey guys,

I'm heading overseas next month and thinking of staying a few nights in AC. What's your general daily cost?

Thank you![/QUOTE]Option I:

500 p. Fan only room in a back street somewhere.

300 p. Street food for the day.

500 p. ST with a fugly street walker.

80 p. Happy hour beer for the day.

1380 p. Total for a Cheap Charlie.

Option II:

10 k. Nice room complete with stripper pole and 5 person spa at ABC.

3 k - 3 western meals per day.

5 k. Similar meals for your entourage (because that's how we roll!

15 k - 3 lookers who are happy to fulfill special requests.

10 k. Bar bill.

43 k. Total for a very memorable night.

Of course, you could spend less, more or in between depending on your taste so it's easiest to RTFF and just add up the line items that you think you will be trying.