Angeles City

When I am in Angeles City, I buy Cialis from the wholesale supplier, who is close to the Sports Bar.

I pay 100 pesos per pack of 4. That is the standard price.

I buy in lots of 50 or 100 boxes, lasts me a long time.

If you are paying more than 100 pesos per pack, then you are being ripped off. Maybe 150 per box of 4 from the street vendor is OK.

Do not pay more.

He pops around the corner and stocks up again from what you have bought.

G

[QUOTE=X Man; 1247407]SOme good posts for Ogman. Like McDon, I try to minimize my time with the mamas. But you have to be nice to them. I once shooed away a particularly annoying mama and later no girl in the bar would come near me.

And I've given up responding to those who post that the street sellers are selling fake stuff that doesn't work. Well, yes, it is made in India and has a FAKE label, but it works. I generally pay 200 to 250 for box of four of "Cialis" depending on how much I want to haggle. Once a guy offerred some just a few meters from a police office, so I guess someone is getting paid off. Or it just doesn't cross anyone's mind that it is illegal.[/QUOTE]

Somehow got talking to a young chap late last year in the mall restaurants. He had 2 bfs with him. I was alone. He was in his mid 20's, from Singapore. He takes Cialis so he can bang up to 10 times over a weekend to maximise the value of the trip. Seems excessive to me. The 2 bfs were too busy eating a rather large lunch to pay any attention to our conversation.

[quote=gangles; 1247605]when i am in angeles city, i buy cialis from the wholesale supplier, who is close to the sports bar.

i buy in lots of 50 or 100 boxes, lasts me a long time.

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you buy 200-400 tabs at a time. they work for 30-36 hours. are you buying the 5 mg daily dose? i pay around 12 dollars us for 1 20 mg tab in hong kong but i want to find a different source. twice, my generic mail order has been confirep001ed by hk customs.

[QUOTE=Gangles; 1247605]When I am in Angeles City, I buy Cialis from the wholesale supplier, who is close to the Sports Bar.

I pay 100 pesos per pack of 4. That is the standard price.

I buy in lots of 50 or 100 boxes, lasts me a long time.

If you are paying more than 100 pesos per pack, then you are being ripped off. Maybe 150 per box of 4 from the street vendor is OK.

Do not pay more.

He pops around the corner and stocks up again from what you have bought.

G[/QUOTE]This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Ogman;1247887]This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks![/QUOTE]Okay, I am talking to myself this time but I seek more wisdom from the expert mongers. I know folk have covered this in past posts so I apologize for not doing sufficient research (I did go back 10 pages) but can anyone recommend the best spots of S / T action in the daytime. I am not usually one for L / T since I need my sleep too. I am up and about by 10am usually and like to be on the hunt by 11 am or so give or take an hour. Is there earlier venues like a snack bar or somewhere else a monger could check if all the bars are too normal to be open at 9am for example in AC?

Only hours between me and Manila so less than 24 hours until I am hitting the AC streets.

Thanks in advance for your tutelage! <- hey that sounds a little dirty.

[QUOTE=Ogman; 1247897]Okay, I am talking to myself this time but I seek more wisdom from the expert mongers. I know folk have covered this in past posts so I apologize for not doing sufficient research (I did go back 10 pages) but can anyone recommend the best spots of S / T action in the daytime. I am not usually one for L / T since I need my sleep too. I am up and about by 10am usually and like to be on the hunt by 11 am or so give or take an hour. Is there earlier venues like a snack bar or somewhere else a monger could check if all the bars are too normal to be open at 9am for example in AC?

Only hours between me and Manila so less than 24 hours until I am hitting the AC streets.

Thanks in advance for your tutelage! <- hey that sounds a little dirty.[/QUOTE]Any of the Santos Street bars, usually open by noon. Lots of fairly plain girls available, either for 2 hours or 4 hours for takeout. Right around the corner from Swiss Chalet and the mexican restaurant on Real St.

[QUOTE=Ogman; 1247897]Okay, I am talking to myself this time but I seek more wisdom from the expert mongers. I know folk have covered this in past posts so I apologize for not doing sufficient research (I did go back 10 pages) but can anyone recommend the best spots of S / T action in the daytime. I am not usually one for L / T since I need my sleep too. I am up and about by 10am usually and like to be on the hunt by 11 am or so give or take an hour. Is there earlier venues like a snack bar or somewhere else a monger could check if all the bars are too normal to be open at 9am for example in AC?

Only hours between me and Manila so less than 24 hours until I am hitting the AC streets.

Thanks in advance for your tutelage! <- hey that sounds a little dirty.[/QUOTE]Some bars are open 24 hours. You can go to some massage places and ask. You can call massage places and request a in call. Santos ST bars may not have girls in early morning but you can try.

Dollhouse is open 24 hours although daytime girls are old and ugly.

Ogman All the bars on Perimeter open early, close early & are way cheaper than Fields. All the bars except Santos St only have LT. But there are a lot of bars on perimeter that cost 1100p & 1200p for LT. Most girls will be happy to leave after a few hours & go back to the bar for another BF or if single mom home to her kid.

For instance Candy Bar opens with a partial lineup at noon & the rest at 2pm for 1100p. Various perimeter bars open at 10am, noon or 2pm & prices run between 1100p & 1500p.

Was wondering if anyone knows of a bar or two that are genuinely fun bars.

Places where girls are happy, making fun, interacting with customers?

Too many are regimented, controlled, want a fun bar. Any you know of? Thanks

[QUOTE=X Man;1247407]And I've given up responding to those who post that the street sellers are selling fake stuff that doesn't work. Well, yes, it is made in India and has a FAKE label, but it works. I generally pay 200 to 250 for box of four of "Cialis" depending on how much I want to haggle. Once a guy offerred some just a few meters from a police office, so I guess someone is getting paid off. Or it just doesn't cross anyone's mind that it is illegal.[/QUOTE]Kamagra is also made in India and is a stunning product, especially the gel packs which work way faster. BAngkok is a great place to buy and sadly haven't come across Kamagra benig sold in Philippines. A new market waiting to happen.

Ogman.

Normally when you mention ST bars, Santos St comes to mind, but since I have no first hand knowledge of them, I will talk about an alternative. The Perimeter bars are LT but with the cheap price's its easy to think of them as ST. The BF's run from 1100p to 1500p, with a large number of them 1100p or 1200p. There hours are generally from noon to midnight. At these prices it's easier to justify a ST instead of the 1800+ on fields.

Since you only want ST, it is not a problem, after a few hours, you tell them they can leave, if they are single mom they will go home to their kid, if not back to the bar & get another BF.

One of my favorites is Candy Bar, opens at Noon with limited lineup & all the rest start at 2p. BF is 1100p & the girls are very frisky. Closes at midnight or earlier if everyone has been BF.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1248240]Kamagra is also made in India and is a stunning product, especially the gel packs which work way faster. BAngkok is a great place to buy and sadly haven't come across Kamagra benig sold in Philippines. A new market waiting to happen.[/QUOTE]I have use Cialis and find that sometimes I get a red blister around my kidney area, so this gel pack sounds interesting. What exactly is it? Do you apply the gel directly? Any idea of price. Your help will be greatly appreciated.

Incidentally, I have picked up Cialis without prescription in the past but a few years ago I bought some Cialis from the street in Angeles. As instructed, I held out for a cheaper price then their first offer and the guy was more than happy to come down. The packaging looked the same but the pills were a darker orange (as opposed to the sandy colour). They tasted different too. I found that they worked but not as well.

[QUOTE=Bubbles41; 1248153]Ogman All the bars on Perimeter open early, close early & are way cheaper than Fields. All the bars except Santos St only have LT. But there are a lot of bars on perimeter that cost 1100p & 1200p for LT. Most girls will be happy to leave after a few hours & go back to the bar for another BF or if single mom home to her kid.

For instance Candy Bar opens with a partial lineup at noon & the rest at 2pm for 1100p. Various perimeter bars open at 10am, noon or 2pm & prices run between 1100p & 1500p.[/QUOTE]I am a little confuse here. Does the bar fine include the cost of taking the girl home? Because in Thailand, you will have to negotiate with the girls separately for the cost of the night. If so, how much does the girl charge separately for LT?

Damn that is quite expensive bar fine compared to Thailand.

I spent two weeks in Angeles last month. Since I have been there a few times before, I decided this time to take the path less traveled and restrict myself to DateInAsia only. Unless you count a couple of early morning take outs from Santos, I did not bar fine at all during my stay. My hotel was Wild Orchid which was great, both for location and comfort.

I started my search about three weeks before arrival. I quickly weeded out the bar girls, the ones who answer every question or statement with "yah" or "OIC". I was very honest in my DIA profile and in my approach to the girls that I was only looking for short time company during my vacation and nothing further. Most of them had no problem with this, and in fact they appreciated the honesty since they were used to the opposite from other contacts in DIA.

When I arrived I had a list of about 30 girls. Since they were non-pros and most had regular jobs, I could not depend on them being available when nature called, so I had a plan A, B and C for every day. Time and space is even more relative to these ladies than it was to Einstein, so it is important to be very clear about meeting arrangements. Don't let them tell you they will meet you at your hotel in the afternoon, because that could be anytime from 12 noon to 9 in the evening. Be specific, for example 2pm at Kokomos.

I had chatted with all of them in advance and seen most of them on cam, so I knew what I was getting into. I had some lovely sessions with very few disappointments. I tipped them from 500 to 1500 pesos depending on how much time they spent with me and how much I enjoyed it.

Some other observations:

I agree with others here that Perimeter bars are more fun than Fields bars in general. I liked Pony Tails where the girls really seemed to have great fun dancing on stage. Compare that with most of the girls on Fields who stand around like pillars of salt barely batting their overly made up eye lashes.

Sitting in a bar I would sometimes call down a girl to have a drink with me. I always picked one who seemed to have fun on stage, laughing and joking with her friends. But having bought them a LD, some of them suddenly took a vow of silence and did not offer much in the way of conversation. If they were as attractive up close as they looked on stage I would sometimes try the effort of coaxing them out of their shelves, but mostly I would just let them finish the drink in silence and return to dancing.

Since I am not a late night kind of guy, I would go out around 8 at night. I don't know when the Fields bars get going, but most of the time there would be no more than 3 or 4 customers in the bar when I arrived (and some of those seemed more like part of the inventory). I don't enjoy myself much in an empty bar since I like to sit down, have a drink and watch the dancers and waitresses before making my choice. Instead I would be surrounded by staff pushing me to buy more drinks and to pick a girl.

Fellows.

How is Easter in AC. Any thing different and / or interesting in AC

[QUOTE=Bigga; 1249638]I am a little confuse here. Does the bar fine include the cost of taking the girl home? Because in Thailand, you will have to negotiate with the girls separately for the cost of the night. If so, how much does the girl charge separately for LT?

Damn that is quite expensive bar fine compared to Thailand.[/QUOTE]I tried to send you a PM, but you aren't a paid member of the site. If you can afford to go to Thailand / Philippines, spend the $20 for a membership here. Barfines in AC are all-inclusive, you don't have to tip the girl separately, unless you desire to in the morning. Pay up, post a Field Report, then ask questions.

[QUOTE=El Ted;1249688]I spent two weeks in Angeles last month. Since I have been there a few times before, I decided this time to take the path less traveled and restrict myself to DateInAsia only. Unless you count a couple of early morning take outs from Santos, I did not bar fine at all during my stay. My hotel was Wild Orchid which was great, both for location and comfort.[/QUOTE]Nice report stud.

Bigga, Ted does not have a membership either. Notice, he posted a report. Get thee busy.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1249766]Just wondering what the ATM limits are and what the currency exchange is like at Clark Field. Not sure if it's best to bring cash and exchange it or just bring a little cash and use the ATM. I have a Bank of America ATM card. Thanks,[/QUOTE]The ATM limits on most Philippino banks is 10K pesos.

Note that Philippino Banks will charge you an ATM fee of 300 pesos.

There are now ATMs on Fields and Perimeter; there are many at SM mall.

There is a Citi Bank on MacArthur Hwy (across the casino) that has a higher limit; I took out 15K; now sure what the max is. HSBC has a high limit, but I didn't see any in Angeles. The Citi Bank was the best because it didn't have any ATM fees.

The exchange rate (excluding the ATM fee, if any) is good; it is between the buy and sell rate; the banks now make money from the ATM fees; you can't get a better rate with the moneychangers.

Also note that Bank of America has always been a "rip-off" type of bank. They probably have foreign transaction fees and possibily other fees.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1249866]The ATM limits on most Philippino banks is 10K pesos.[/QUOTE]Depends on the bank I believe. I'm with HSBC and the limit for one shot is 40k. Daily limit is 150k.

Additionally the bank waived the fee in case I use another banks ATM.

No ad intended, but I'm quite pleased with HSBC.

[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1249904]Depends on the bank I believe. I'm with HSBC and the limit for one shot is 40k. Daily limit is 150k.

Additionally the bank waived the fee in case I use another banks ATM.

No ad intended, but I'm quite pleased with HSBC.[/QUOTE]Is your HSBC located in Phils or another country? If in another country, does that change the rules of the game?

[QUOTE=Slippery;1249948]Is your HSBC located in Phils or another country? If in another country, does that change the rules of the game?[/QUOTE]HSBC is headquartered in the UK; it is listed in the London Stock Exchange.

There are HSBC banks in many countries around the world, including the Philippines. I don't believe there are any HSBC ATMs in Angeles.

There are possible fees your bank might charge. There are ATM fees that the local ATM might charge (especially if you are not part of the ATM's bank).

Even if your bank doesn't charge you a fee (i.e. waives all fees) , the local ATM might charge you a fee. Only a few banks will REFUND you the local ATM fee; does HSBC refund the ATM fees? If so, then it is a good bank.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1249961]HSBC is headquartered in the UK; it is listed in the London Stock Exchange.

There are HSBC banks in many countries around the world, including the Philippines. I don't believe there are any HSBC ATMs in Angeles.[/QUOTE]HSBC (Philippines) , though part of the international conglomerate network, is nevertheless a particular Philippines entity. It adheres to Philippines banking rules & regulations.

I have several HSBC accounts (PHP, AUD, USD) all opened here in Philippines. Their specific rules regarding limits to borrowing, limits for credit charges etc are determined in the Philippines. They have their own local website with the Philippines regulations listed there.

I have a ceiling for credit charges (VISA) that I am not permitted to exceed unless I pay off the balance. All bank fees are waived for me (including international ATM fees) because I deposit my whole-of-pay cheque directly into my account (this was a carrot dangled for me in order to get my personal account and that of my contractor).

I suggest that you check your local rules as particular benefits that you enjoy in your own country may not always hold here if you open a local account.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1249776]Nice report stud.

Bigga, Ted does not have a membership either. Notice, he posted a report. Get thee busy.[/QUOTE]Hi Westcoast,

Thank you for your reply and sorry about the membership thing. I will definitely post up my experience once I have them. At the moment, I am still new and do not have any experience to post about. Anyway I do understand what you are saying, and I will definitely sign up as a member once I get my first pay check.

I am planning to go to for a holiday in June and just trying to get info on the different spots in Asia. For some reason I am inclined towards Philippines.

Once again I do appreciate your response. With an all inclusive price, Philippines does seem to be giving Thailand a run for its money.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1249904]Depends on the bank I believe. I'm with HSBC and the limit for one shot is 40k. Daily limit is 150k.

Additionally the bank waived the fee in case I use another banks ATM.

No ad intended, but I'm quite pleased with HSBC.[/QUOTE]Me too as the internet banking works great (even tho we need 3 passwords). Other day a family member was making a large transaction with a supplementary card, and before they could complete it, HSBC contacted me to ask if iwas ok with the transaction. Thats safety!

HSBC though, despite being touted as a global bank is basically a collection of country franchises all reporting to the London HQ. Each countries operation is separate from another, so you could be Premier account holder in HSBC HK but wouldn't get you any benefits in HSBC Malaysia for instance. Hope all well Ekspat!

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1250000]Just one more clarification, is the exchange rate at the airport pretty good or is it better to go into town to exchange? I will probably just bring a several hundred dollars in USA that I can exchange and then use the ATM on an "as needed" basis.[/QUOTE]The currency exchange for cash at pretty much all airports is terrible and you should only exchange enough cash to pay for a cab to your hotel. ATMs at the airport use the same exchange rate as all other ATMS (in my experience) of the same type so are good to use. However, you will likely only get large denomination bills which could be a problem with the taxi driver.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1249948]Is your HSBC located in Phils or another country? If in another country, does that change the rules of the game?[/QUOTE]Not too sure about the rules. I have Premier accounts in Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore and Hongkong, with different currencies, AUD, HKD and MYR. In every country the same benefits.

Greenbud, there is no fee at all, so no refund. When I withdraw 30, 000ps at any ATM in AC, I get 30k from the machine and my account is charged with exactly 30k. Not a single ps more.

Hi FF! Everything alright, still mainly in MY, just had a nice game of golf with some Koreans here. Why not get a device? IMO more safe than 3 passwords which are actually only 2 of them.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Slippery;1249948]Is your HSBC located in Phils or another country? If in another country, does that change the rules of the game?[/QUOTE]I have a so-called Internet account (in the USA) with HSBC, which costs me $3 a month. It's free to transfer in money from another account, and of course, using their ATMs in all countries is free.

[QUOTE=Nomadic Mong; 1249743]Fellows.

How is Easter in AC. Any thing different and / or interesting in AC[/QUOTE]I have never been there during easter. But judging by my vists during Christmas business as usual with plenty of girls available. Most girls I talk to say they dread going home expecially during holidays because their family expects them to foot the bill for food, drinks, presents etc for all their lazy immediate and extended family. Just by working in AC they are considered wealthy by their folks it seems.

Ofcourse lot has to do with these girls boasting, buying expensive items like cell phones, dresses and jewellery whenever they have money. Lucky few will get it from their generous benefactors.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1250000]I have two mortgages and lots of investments at BofA so I don't have to pay any fees when I travel. I know they have partner banks all over the world like PNB, Scotia, and China Construction Bank to name a few but I can't find a partner of there's in Angeles. Just one more clarification, is the exchange rate at the airport pretty good or is it better to go into town to exchange? I will probably just bring a several hundred dollars in USA that I can exchange and then use the ATM on an "as needed" basis.[/QUOTE]Some ATM's don't really work correctly there, BDM I find to be among the worst. On the other hand, other banks, like RSC, BPI, etc, let you take out whatever your US bank imposed max is. I took out enough to pay for a motor scooter in 2 transactions. 20k php each, and still hadn't hit the 1K US limit.

Internet banking as another put it is great if you can work that. Otherwise, I like using Xoom to transfer the money ahead of my trip. It's easy to pick it up at any L Hullier or participating bank.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1250561]Thanks. Appreciate the information. I have been to AC before but it's been a couple years and I just couldn't remember. I have heard of Xoom but never used it. I might give that a try. If I can get out 1k USD that should be enough for the 7 days I'll be there. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]Xoom and Western Union make money not only by their transaction fees but also by giving you a poor exchange rate, at least a peso shortchanged on each dollar. I use Xoom to send money to girls but never to myself. Why not carry cash? Is it that dangerous? In my five trips in last one year, I have always taken cash without a glitch.

Pinga

[QUOTE=Pinga 98; 1250608]Xoom and Western Union make money not only by their transaction fees but also by giving you a poor exchange rate, at least a peso shortchanged on each dollar. I use Xoom to send money to girls but never to myself. Why not carry cash? Is it that dangerous? In my five trips in last one year, I have always taken cash without a glitch.

Pinga[/QUOTE]Actually when you send money by WU you can ask them to pay out in USD rather than pesos. This way the girl can go look for the best exchange rate. There are some businessmen who give better than the official rate.

Ofcourse when I go to Phi, I always take cash. Only rarely I have used ATM.

[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1250252]Hi FF! Everything alright, still mainly in MY, just had a nice game of golf with some Koreans here. Why not get a device? IMO more safe than 3 passwords which are actually only 2 of them.

Cheers![/QUOTE]I have the device, I guess I meant including the device theres 3 passwords.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1250717]When I travel I usually have a couple hundred USD on me and then use the ATM machines to get money out on as "as needed" basis. With my Bank of AMerica card I can use any of their partner banks around the world with no fees at all and at the current exchange rate. However, BofA does not have a partner bank in Angeles City so I will have to exchange money or use the ATM and pay a fee to do so. That's when you have to determine which is the cheapest way to get peso's. If I bring USD I will still have to exchange that to peso's which there will be a fee. If I use an ATM there will be a fee. I checked Xoom last night and they have a $5. 99 fee for the transfer and they give you 41. 75 peso's per USD which is 1. 00 peso less then the current exchange rate. I found that it is usually never a good idea to carry lots of cash on you anywhere you go especially in 3rd world countries. I travel to a lot of 3rd world countries for work. I know when I was recently in Dominican Republic I just took my USD in the bank and exchanged them at the current rates and no fees at all. Every countries a little different. I just need to find out the least expensive way to convert.[/QUOTE]I have Bank of America, and I am not aware of any ATM in PI, which can be used with out fees, Can you let me know which ATM in PI doesn't charge fees for BOA cards / accounts

[QUOTE=Eric Emp;1250921]I have Bank of America, and I am not aware of any ATM in PI, which can be used with out fees, Can you let me know which ATM in PI doesn't charge fees for BOA cards / accounts[/QUOTE]The citibank ATM on MacArthur Hwy (across the casino) didn't charge my debit card the 300 peso fee. Only one I know of in Angeles. Although, I'm not sure if my Charles Schwab Bank is part of Citi's network (website doesn't mention it), so the previous info is not 100% verified.

I think some people might be getting confused on the "fees". There are 2 types of fees; the fee that your own bank might charge you (if any) , and the 300 peso fee that the ATM will charge you (if your card is not a member of that ATM's network).

The 300 ATM pesos fee will NOT be reflected on your bank statement. ONLY way to tell is to calculate the rate you got from the ATM. If you get the Visa rate (between the buy and sell rate) , then the ATM didn't charge you the 300 peso. If you got a rate below the buy rate, then they charged you the 300 peso fee.

Example: If you take out the maximum of 10K pesos, divide 10,000 and 10,300 by the amount you were charged, and compare it to the official rate. Then you should be able to tell whether or not you were charged the 300 peso fee.

I agree with the posters bellow that airport foreign exchanges throught out the world tend to be less competative however this is NOT the case in AC at least if you are staying in the mongoring areas. On 3 occations now (most recently Monday 13, feb) I got the best exchange rate at the airport. I exchanged AUD 500 at 45 peso to the dollar. The same day the rate at the ABC Hotel was 42. 9 and 3 other places around fields were in the 43-44 peso range. Saturday 18th feb I exchanged once again at 45 peso to the dollar at Clarkton Hotel which by the way had the best exchange rate between LGH and Clarkton, I checked few other places in between. LGH was offering 39 peso that day. ABC the day before offered 42. 5.

Bottom line if you stay in AC and you stay in a better hotel with good security CASH is the best option. Exchange at the airport, put away in the safe in your room. If you intend to hunt for freelancers especially in Manila you don't want too much cash around your room unless its safely tucked away in a safe. I normally take 1-2K cash and use it while in AC then use my cards in manila withdrawing whatever I need in 10 000 peso lots.

Airport is still under construction but it looks small and like many things here another half assed job. 2 airbridges only and I thought Airasia was going to use this as a base and make a go of it like in Thailand and indonesia. From March they have added few flights including boracay and so on so maybe they will for domestic purposes only and have only few international flights, who knows but IMO it should have been build with a view of being manila's second airport at least to the size of cebu.

Places like Kokimos and Margarita station were packed. Seems like something said by a local here few months ago, hotels are doing ok but bars are missing out. Have the trends changed and people come to AC trying to find fun another way rather than do the typical?

Lots of talk about Viagra on the forums so EVERYONE beware a customer passed away Thursday 9th of Feb inside Voodoo. Expat american belived to have a family in Davao suffered a heart attack after overdoasing on vitamin V. At least thats what the bargirls were saying. Maybe a bad batch on the street?

First time in a while I can say I was not impressed with the overall quality of the girls in the bars. I found it harder to find lookers and even though I had planty of opportuties to barfine while my gf was in Dau cooking (LOL, I made her cook for me every day so I can have the days to myself to mongor) I didn't find the 2-3 a day I was hopping for but still found plenty.

Bar that no one talks about here and is WORTH VISITING, my discovery on this trip was MAGIC BAR off perimetar Road. It looks small and lame on the outside BUT its quite big once you get inside with lots of nice girls. It has a disco feel and girls dance near the tables.

Its been a while since I have stayed at LGH (abc was fully booked on Friday) and what can I say. I rang them and they claimed they are fully booked with no rooms available, only to book a room via Agoda at 20% discount. There were 7 rooms available on agoda LOL. Check in was quick about 10 min, room was great, check out was pain in the ass 20-30 min or so what should have been a stright forward 2-3 min check out. Overall nice and pleasent stay.

[QUOTE=One Eyed Man;1250287]I have a so-called Internet account (in the USA) with HSBC, which costs me $3 a month. It's free to transfer in money from another account, and of course, using their ATMs in all countries is free.[/QUOTE]$3/month? I have had mine for about 8 years and it has always been free. I have the Choice Checking. I opened the account for the express purpose of using the ATMs. Always check your statement though. I used to get charged $1.50 for using the ATM at the bank in Peru. Now it has started charging $2.50.

01/17/2012 CASH WITHDRAWAL CHARGE 01/13 AT HSBC. RED. UNICARD LIMA PER $2.50

They always credit it to me when I call though. Still a hassle.

I still owe McDon a drink -- but the quantity of women in AC proved just too much to let me spend time socializing -- standing up anyway!

After spending a week in AC, I definitely learned the hard way to pay attention to the Posts of our more experienced mongerers. The first tip I read many times but, admittedly now, took for granted was that you should be clear and detailed in what you want with the girls directly. If you want your ass licked then say it, they'll giggle and some will say no but there is no chance you'll end up regretting it. There are always too many girls to choose from so it behooves you to be absolutely clear in what you want and get over the shyness already. However, before delving into the specific's of your evening preferences, there are a couple mundane but -- oh so incredibly important -- questions you should ask your prospective L / T girl.

OK do not laugh at this but you should clarify up front that your girl is not on the 'mensies' at that particular time. If she is, then the best you are going to get is a blow job. The same holds true for the next so obvious but odd clarification for my initial sensibilities. You need to check if your girl is a "cherry girl!" As the name implies, this means a virgin. I actually hooked up with one my first night in AC (Mensies girls the 2nd and 4th so avoid following me; or better yet do since I thin the herd of the less promising ones). I was drunk and horny when I heard 'cherry girl' and I thought it was a joke. After buying her a drink and getting all the right signals, I jumped to the second set of questions for my evening preferences. I asked for anal and she giggled and said she had a virgin ass. When I asked how long she had been working in AC and she said 2 years, so I figured the "cherry girl" was a pun like "tequila girls" or other promotions the bars used so I EWR'd her and brought her back to my hotel, Kokomos (cannot say enough about this great place to play).

She was out of Emotions on Perimeter (a great place with 1400p EWRs) and she was the quintessential hot girl friend. Definitely among the hottest in the bar (about 20 girls that evening) , she rubbed and kissed and tickled me crazy til I said forget my buddies and lets head out. She quickly changed into an equally hot street outfit and wanted to walk to the hotel. She hung on me the whole way taking every opportunity to flirt, rub, and kiss me along the way, often as we past lines of other girls trying to pull me into their bar. By the time we hit my room, I was bursting at the zipper. Clothes started flying, she was incredibly hot grabbing, licking, and then said she should wash me and her. She almost made me cum in the shower but I decided to save it for the bed. She finished washing and came out a little drippy but even hotter (see pic).

She quickly grabbed my cock and started to suck and I initially thought I was in heaven. However after a few nicks with her teeth, I began to realize my girl wasn't talented at oral. So I flipped her over and started to mount her. Amazingly she was very tight. As I'd start to enter her she would shift up higher on the pillows. After a few attempts with her saying I can't, I was as confused as I could be. I rolled over for a second to get my bearings and she began her 'story' which I think was true. She said she had come here to find her husband to be loyal to him and make him happy for his entire life. She explained that at Emotions, many or the regular clients were ex-pats (Australia mostly) who could no longer have sex but still desired the touch of a woman. As a result she kept busy at the club for the past two years making good money providing the services she was. Well. Giving me.

By then, I was tired and ready to burst so we went back to the head job which did not get any better. After several attempts to find a nick free moist environment, I had her lick my balls while I whacked off until I came on her face. She did the perfect porno action licking, and smearing the cum on her face and body. She got up washed and climbed back into bed for the night. In the morning, I tried again and nothing had gotten any better. I cut my losses and saved my morning spunk for the next opportunity. She seemed genuinely sad saying she wanted to stay with me and seemed confused that I was not asking her to stay. I wrote it up as good acting but later int the day, I learned she had called her phone with my phone at some point and began sending me girlfriend notes right out of a high school musical. How she was concerned I wouldn't have wanted her if she had been easy. How she wanted to go all the way with me, and a couple others that I immediately deleted with scenes of fatal attraction flashing through my head.

Luckily, I did not have to go too far from my hotel to have AC redeem itself in the 12 hours I had been there. I walked around the corner from the hotel and down the street to the Tequila Reef cafe which had been recommended by the experts. As I looked out the window of the town waking up, I noticed the "WOW" bar across the street and a pair of nice legs through the doorway. I finished my breakfast and popped across the street to find Darlene among three other girls of average quality and the mamasan Erma. As is my normally beneficial ploy, I flirted with the mamsan saying how I'd save her for later. She really liked that and told Darlene to take good care of me. The 700 S / t fee was great and within a minute we were walking up the stairs to my hotel. Everything was great and exactly what I had wanted.

She finished me, showered and I asked her is she'd like to eat at the hotel. She quietly agreed. On our way down, I asked if I could stop into my friend's room to say Hi. Mainly wanting to show her off, I also knew he was a big fan for two guys on one girl. He immediately asked if that was what we were doing there. Although initially confused, I nudgingly described the situation and amazingly enough, she said she'd be willing to try.

The Cialis kicked in again and we had her rotisserie style and every other way we could think of. She was even willing to try double penetration. We were able to get both our heads in her mouth, but we just weren't athletic enough to find a position that didn't seemed too gay. After another hour, she finished us both off, cleaned up and said she should get back to the bar. I gave her another 500p and she seemed genuinely pleased (and I was hating myself for only offering 500p at first).

Let me end there reiterating the two points worth taking away. 1) be direct and clear with what you want and 2) make sure the girl is truly available. Cherry girls are as real and regular as the mensies so you need to confirm neither of them will be interfering with your wishes outside the bar. I'll post more as time allows but AC is my new favorite place on the planet and I'll be back this Fall.

Ogman

Og, nice descriptive report.

I am going to Angeles Apr 8-15, I will be alone, so PM if you want to meet up.

Does any one know any girls who Lactate? Any details of how to meet would be gratefully received.

[QUOTE=GosiwonBusan; 1253693]I am going to Angeles Apr 8-15, I will be alone, so PM if you want to meet up.

Does any one know any girls who Lactate? Any details of how to meet would be gratefully received.[/QUOTE]If you are stopping over in Manila in Makati, Burgos St there is a girl in the Ring Bar (or something like that, you can't miss it, the midget boxing bar).

In April Anna from La Union should be back in AC, most likely Dirty Duck. Highly recomended but she is a bit of a psyco so watch out. Few Annas in dirty duck but this one wears a necklace with her name on it. She just gave birth so plenty of milk I assume

[QUOTE=GosiwonBusan; 1253693]I am going to Angeles Apr 8-15, I will be alone, so PM if you want to meet up.

Does any one know any girls who Lactate? Any details of how to meet would be gratefully received.[/QUOTE]Just remember that HIV can be passed through breast milk. (Here is a link from the US Center for Disease control, so this is not just rumor [url]http://www.cdc.gov/breastfeeding/disease/hiv.htm[/url])

Not saying don't do it, just know your risk.

I will be in AC from tomorrow night until Wednesday morning if anyone is interested to meet up.

[QUOTE=GosiwonBusan; 1253693]I am going to Angeles Apr 8-15, I will be alone, so PM if you want to meet up.

Does any one know any girls who Lactate? Any details of how to meet would be gratefully received.[/QUOTE]Just back from a week in AC. I would suggest the Perimeter bars; not really my thing, although ran into several voluptuous MILFs who would meet your need.

Hp

I'm currently planning a trip to Angeles City and I'm curious if there are some bars that are comparable to Soi Six, Pattaya in terms of overall price for action. From what I've read it seems perimeter bars are cheaper. Any recommendations? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1254594]I'm currently planning a trip to Angeles City and I'm curious if there are some bars that are comparable to Soi Six, Pattaya in terms of overall price for action. From what I've read it seems perimeter bars are cheaper. Any recommendations? Thanks![/QUOTE]Santos Street is your best bet. 700 pesos for short time in your hotel.

[QUOTE=El Ted;1254603]Santos Street is your best bet. 700 pesos for short time in your hotel.[/QUOTE]Agree, recommend the Horny Toad Bar if you stay in PB. Less than a 5 minute walk.

Hp

[QUOTE=Hp Xt; 1254620]Agree, recommend the Horny Toad Bar if you stay in PB. Less than a 5 minute walk.

Hp[/QUOTE]That's perfect, thanks guys! I'll check out Horney Toad Bar, but what is PB?

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1254625]That's perfect, thanks guys! I'll check out Horney Toad Bar, but what is PB?[/QUOTE]Pacific Breeze Hotel [url]http://www.pacificbreezehotel.com/[/url]

Located a block off of Fields so its an excellent location. Highly recommended with great staff and better than average food for AC.

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1254625]That's perfect, thanks guys! I'll check out Horney Toad Bar, but what is PB?[/QUOTE]As an FYI, Santos Road is different from Pattaya Soi Six. The bars are like miniature beer gardens, and in the morning not much girls sitting out. It is not like Soi Six where you have all the eye candy paraded before you. That being said, its a great place to have a drink with no pressure from the girls. I found a few gems, and in fact had a short time before I left for the airport. The girls will make sure you know it is short time in the am.

Good luck on your trip,

Hp

Here you go guys. Some cuties from all over the PI.

[QUOTE=Five10;1256917]Here you go guys. Some cuties from all over the PI.[/QUOTE]5-10, were there supposed to be pics with that post?

WC

[QUOTE=Five10;1256917]Here you go guys. Some cuties from all over the PI.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Westcoast1;1256932]5-10, were there supposed to be pics with that post?[/QUOTE]If you look closely at his post, I mean real close, get your eyes up sooo close and then touch the screen you can see he posted the pics using braille. JK. *insert big grin smiliey*

Butterfly Rock has been passing out counterfeit 500p pesos to unsuspecting customers. Whenever someone pays with a 1000p note, the change will include a counterfeit 500p note. The NBI has tried to classify the case as a robbery but I believe it is a hit.

Also I know of a guy that barfined a girl from here and the girl done a runner after only 30 minutes in the room.

Be warned.

[QUOTE=BigBalls007; 1256944]Butterfly Rock has been passing out counterfeit 500p pesos to unsuspecting customers. Whenever someone pays with a 1000p note, the change will include a counterfeit 500p note. The NBI has tried to classify the case as a robbery but I believe it is a hit.

Also I know of a guy that barfined a girl from here and the girl done a runner after only 30 minutes in the room.

Be warned.[/QUOTE]To Bigballs007,

There have been increasing counterfeit bill in PI the last 2 yr on 1000 and 500 peso bill so becareful where you change your money don't go with tout you meet at the st of Malate with promise of high rate, I am not sure why Butterfly bar is passing the counterfeit bill with a good chance of getting caught and being closed down.

Philmoney. ********. Com / 2009/01 / fake-500-peso-bill. Html. PhilippinesCached. Similar.

Fast Eddie 48

Also I know of a guy that barfined a girl from here and the girl done a runner after only 30 minutes in the room.

Be warned.[/QUOTE]HMMM. I barfined a girl from Butterfly Rock and she stayed with me for 33 days.

[QUOTE=Five10; 1257827]Also I know of a guy that barfined a girl from here and the girl done a runner after only 30 minutes in the room.

Be warned.[/QUOTE]HMMM. I barfined a girl from Butterfly Rock and she stayed with me for 33 days.[/QUOTE]Same. Never had in issue with the Butterfly Rock bar. Always had good time and its one of those small fun bars that I enjoy. I was there few weeks ago and visited few nights and no probs at all.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1257898]HMMM. I barfined a girl from Butterfly Rock and she stayed with me for 33 days.[/QUOTE]Same. Never had in issue with the Butterfly Rock bar. Always had good time and its one of those small fun bars that I enjoy. I was there few weeks ago and visited few nights and no probs at all.[/QUOTE]This bar is the original wild west bar, ask about its history.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1257898]Never had in issue with the Butterfly Rock bar.[/QUOTE]Neither had I. First report from BB007 and such a blame on a bar, IMO maybe a hidden agenda.

[quote=satyr23;1254594]i'm currently planning a trip to angeles city and i'm curious if there are some bars that are comparable to soi six, pattaya in terms of overall price for action. from what i've read it seems perimeter bars are cheaper. any recommendations? thanks![/quote]angeles city can be your cheapest destination for sex if do your homework right and stay away from temptations. beware that ac has all kind of temptations like beautifull show girls, glitzy bars beckoning you, waitresses pushing more drinks and girls on you, girls mesmerising you to spend money on them etc.

unless you are willing to spend a lot and have a good time without a care about the money use these special tips. you can still have a good time.

1. stay at moderate hotels. avoid abc and the like paying more than $100 a night. how they survive that much in ac is beyond me.

2. there are many bars on fields ave, santos, perimeter and other small hidden bars. fields ave bars are more expensive. however you can ask the girls to come to your room after work with no barfines.

some do and some do not. those who said no have always showed up in my experience. bars do not like this but they cannot afford to enforce it. it is hard for them to control social life of these girls.

3. there are freelancers on the street as well as at disco. almost all girls who hang around in fields area are fair game. just beware of **** scams and ladyboys.

once again this route is for cheaper option and not everybody can do this. many prefer safer to barfine.

4. there are many small bars with cheaper barfines. girls may not be pretty. in my thinking if the girl is presentable and gives you all the sex (this is the primary reason you came to ac anyway) who cares?

it is not like she is there for keeps. it is like staying in a expensive hotel. irrespective of the time you spent in your room you need to check out after your stay.

5. there are no soi 6 type of beer bars in ac. there are some open air bars but i have not seen many girls there to take. main problem i believe is the bars do not like single girls just sitting there.

without buying something.

6. if you are the drinking type drink in your room before you go out. buy at duty free and keep in room. just go to limiteed number of bars per night. if you want to barfine talk to girl in the presence of mamasan to what services and how long you want the girl to stay.

good luck!

[quote=sammon; 1258064]angeles city can be your cheapest destination for sex if do your homework right and stay away from temptations. beware that ac has all kind of temptations like beautifull show girls, glitzy bars beckoning you, waitresses pushing more drinks and girls on you, girls mesmerising you to spend money on them etc.

unless you are willing to spend a lot and have a good time without a care about the money use these special tips. you can still have a good time.

1. stay at moderate hotels. avoid abc and the like paying more than $100 a night. how they survive that much in ac is beyond me.

2. there are many bars on fields ave, santos, perimeter and other small hidden bars. fields ave bars are more expensive. however you can ask the girls to come to your room after work with no barfines.

some do and some do not. those who said no have always showed up in my experience. bars do not like this but they cannot afford to enforce it. it is hard for them to control social life of these girls.

3. there are freelancers on the street as well as at disco. almost all girls who hang around in fields area are fair game. just beware of **** scams and ladyboys.

once again this route is for cheaper option and not everybody can do this. many prefer safer to barfine.

4. there are many small bars with cheaper barfines. girls may not be pretty. in my thinking if the girl is presentable and gives you all the sex (this is the primary reason you came to ac anyway) who cares?

it is not like she is there for keeps. it is like staying in a expensive hotel. irrespective of the time you spent in your room you need to check out after your stay.

5. there are no soi 6 type of beer bars in ac. there are some open air bars but i have not seen many girls there to take. main problem i believe is the bars do not like single girls just sitting there.

without buying something.

6. if you are the drinking type drink in your room before you go out. buy at duty free and keep in room. just go to limiteed number of bars per night. if you want to barfine talk to girl in the presence of mamasan to what services and how long you want the girl to stay.

good luck![/quote]thanks for the tips, i've been planning a trip to pi (i have relatives in san fernando) and wanted to chill in ac for a little to see where i grew up when i was little. and definitely have some fun, but at a reasonable price.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1239118]Great Question Sir L. Here is my list of the the best bars in AC listed in a very informal and subjective way. I hope that other board members will critique this list, add on to it, and vote their own favorite bars. This forum should have a top 20 list of AC bars.

Fields Bars December 2011:

1. Body Shop *

Natty Bumpo, I have enjoyed your postings for a long time. Wanted to chime in and say thanks for your reports and that I enjoy reading them! Had to reply to this post because of your list. I was in AC in June 2011, and I wholeheartedly agree with your Fields Bars list, especially Body Shop. Sure, it's a smaller bar at the end of the road, and most foot traffic would pass it up but Body Shop is where I found my diamond in the rough for the rest of my stay in AC. I went in there one night after having spent 4 days there already, and I barfined a lovely brown skinned girl who I will leave unnamed. She was petite, slim, B cups, about 100lbs. (and she was because I could pick her up in my arms. That was fun.) , nice firm butt on her small frame, and a naturally darker complexion (in comparison to the more envied lighter skinned mixed Chinese blood sisters). I had such good chemistry with her, I barfined her 3 more nights afterwards. Every night we travelled AC (for what it's worth) and she was great company and a great tour guide to the bars on Fields Ave! Sorry, got a bit sentimental there, but I'm glad someone else thinks well of the Body Shop. Or at least, enough to mention it on a list. Not a lot of stunners but I found my diamond that trip and it was truly memorable! No regrets, just wish I had more time in AC.

BTW, I was there for the Miss Pinatubo Bikini Contest. That was fun. A good excuse to go around to different bars for the contest. Seems like those types of contests happen frequently. I also caught a 'beauty pageant' hosted by the group that runs La Pasha. That was interesting. Enjoyed the bikini contest more.

Anyhow, thanks for all the posting Natty! Hope to read more of your adventures in the near future.

Just returned a day or so ago and thought I should put in my 2 cents worth. There is pleanty of talent available from what I could determine. I didn't get to all the places but the ones I did visit had a few worth taking out for the night. A lot of average but average to me might be different to you. The one thing that I was amased about was the traffic of guys around. During the week it was very poor. Walked into Atlantis one night and maybe 6 guys in the whole place. Another bar had 2 guys and one of them was me. Crystal Palace had a few guys and not much, more. The bigger bars seemed to be empty from what they had been.

The weekend seemed to have more western guys on Fields in the evenings and of course more Japanese or Korean guys. But, still not crowded at all. I hear that the managers / owners have decided it is all because of the economy. I won't argue wiith that but I do wonder how increased pricing has not effected the business.

So inconclusion if you can get there and don't mind the price increases it is a good time to go visit.

I would like to no if anyone can tell me the good and bad about flying into HKG and take Cebu Pacific or SEAir. I want to try it because I can get a good price into HKG and would get into AC around noon. What I need to know is do I need a visa for China if I only have a 3 hour layover. What are the seats like because I am bigger the chinnesse passangers they regularly fly and what is the baggage allowed on the flight because it is a three week trip. Also will it be a pain with the ticket counter, tranfer a new termanal or any other helpful info. I made the trip to MNL many time but that was when Korean Air had a morning flight that I could connect to. Thanks for the help.

[QUOTE=Dick Hertz;1261139]I would like to no if anyone can tell me the good and bad about flying into HKG and take Cebu Pacific or SEAir. I want to try it because I can get a good price into HKG and would get into AC around noon. What I need to know is do I need a visa for China if I only have a 3 hour layover. What are the seats like because I am bigger the chinnesse passangers they regularly fly and what is the baggage allowed on the flight because it is a three week trip. Also will it be a pain with the ticket counter, tranfer a new termanal or any other helpful info. I made the trip to MNL many time but that was when Korean Air had a morning flight that I could connect to. Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]To Dick.

I fly 2-3 time a yr from HKG or Macau to PI if you don't have any business in HK you can fly to Macau instead fare is cheaper, you can fly cebu pacific to Macau from Manila or Clark Tiger air also fly this route fare for round trip is only about 135 USD, from Macau you can cross the border to Zhu Hai China but you should get your China visa in advanced to avoid delay, it is only a short flight 1hr and 30 min so is not a big deal.

Fast Eddie 48

Chicago directly to Hong Kong is my preferred route. Then its Hong Kong to Manila by PAL. Changing the airlines is actually very easyin HK. Get luggage, etc, and walk over to the PAL desk to get the boarding pass and re-check luggage. This route can also be less expensive than Delta's and its definitely more convenient than Delta's required two stops.

Thanks for your help but should I pack light because of the weight restriction. I read that a bag can only weight 15k or is it a fee for overwieght bags. My one check bag is under 25k which the major airlines give you.

[QUOTE=Dick Hertz;1261299]Thanks for your help but should I pack light because of the weight restriction. I read that a bag can only weight 15k or is it a fee for overwieght bags. My one check bag is under 25k which the major airlines give you.[/QUOTE]To Dick

I alway travel light just one carry on bag small airline like Air asia or Tiger Air charge you alot for check in Baggage, I fly from US on Cathay stop over in HK or China and left my large Baggage at hotel and then go to other part of Asia and PI for the weekend and return to China on business.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Slippery;1261272]Chicago directly to Hong Kong is my preferred route. Then its Hong Kong to Manila by PAL. Changing the airlines is actually very easyin HK. Get luggage, etc, and walk over to the PAL desk to get the boarding pass and re-check luggage. This route can also be less expensive than Delta's and its definitely more convenient than Delta's required two stops.[/QUOTE]To Slippery.

Cathay Pacific just start flying direct from Chicago to HKG every day and 7 flight a day from the US, they also have 7 flight a day from HKG to Manila and one to Cebu, they offer a speical fare for domestic worker much cheaper than regular fare.

Fast Eddie 48

I just got back from three weeks in Philippines and will post reports on the relevant pages soon (Manila, Cebu and Angeles).

At Angeles I barfined girls from Dollshouse, Typhoon, Dragon's Den, Blue Nile, Genesis, Crystal Palace, Pony Tails, Body Shop and Insomnia, including some real beauties. Quite a few of those bars were recommended by you guys (I. E Pony Tails and Body Shop) , so thanks for the excellent suggestions. There are some really great bars in Angeles and top quality girls can easily be found for 1800 or less. I also spent a couple of nights with a pretty young freelancer I found on Fields.

Prices have gone up from my last trip two years ago (the two tier 1800/3000 barfine is now more prevalent) but there are still some excellent value bars around and lots of very pretty girls. I visited every single bar on Fields at least once. Getting info on girls / barfine. Except for maybe four or five because I just ran out of time. I'll post my report soon.

Hello, Sir Lancelot,

I'm planning to visit Angeles City this year. It would be nice if you share your recent experience there, especially, hotels, rates, girls, bars, barfines etc.

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1261723]I just got back from three weeks in Philippines. At Angeles I barfined girls from Dollshouse, Typhoon, Dragon's Den, Blue Nile, Genesis, Crystal Palace, Pony Tails, Body Shop and Insomnia, including some real beauties.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dick Hertz;1261299]Thanks for your help but should I pack light because of the weight restriction. I read that a bag can only weight 15k or is it a fee for overwieght bags. My one check bag is under 25k which the major airlines give you.[/QUOTE]Didn't look, but I'm pretty sure they will charge you extra for the extra weight in your luggage. That's the way most airlines handle that situation.

[QUOTE=Key Master;1261958]Didn't look, but I'm pretty sure they will charge you extra for the extra weight in your luggage. That's the way most airlines handle that situation.[/QUOTE]Cebu Pacific, with their cut-price fares, offers you a range of options for baggage when you book online.

[B]Domestic: [/B]

Free carry on up to 10kgs.

10 to 15 kgs = 150 php

16 to 20 kgs = 250 php.

21 to 25 kgs = 450 php.

26 to 30 kgs = 700 php.

[B]For International it is slightly different (check the website). [/B]

This option is an add-on cost when you book and you know the weight of your bags. It is quite reasonable given that the fares are way below regular rates (on PAL etc).

If you don't pay when you book and rock up to check in with a 20 kg bag then they will really slug you for the 10 overweight kgs.

It makes sense to pay when you book.

I went to HK in December. 2011 and had 10 kgs (free) when I left but paid to bring back 20 kgs when I returned.

It turned out to be very cheap way to travel.

[QUOTE=Manfield04; 1261784]Hello, Sir Lancelot,

I'm planning to visit Angeles City this year. It would be nice if you share your recent experience there, especially, hotels, rates, girls, bars, barfines etc.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Girls are unenergetic, except when they do a runner as soon as they can, food is crap, beer is cheap, pickpockets by the dozen between perimeter and fields ave, airport security thieve from your luggage. Thailand welcomes you in a million better ways. Enjoy

[QUOTE=Manfield04;1261784]Hello, Sir Lancelot, I'm planning to visit Angeles City this year. It would be nice if you share your recent experience there, especially, hotels, rates, girls, bars, barfines etc. Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Hi. I will be more than happy to provide you with all of this information but it will take a while to write (at the moment I've got thousands of notes on my mobile phone!). I also plan to provide a map of Fields Avenue with info on all of the bars, which I think you might find helpful.

[QUOTE=BigBalls007;1261994]Girls are unenergetic, except when they do a runner as soon as they can, food is crap, beer is cheap, pickpockets by the dozen between perimeter and fields ave, airport security thieve from your luggage. Thailand welcomes you in a million better ways. Enjoy[/QUOTE]You've obviously had some bad experiences but I don't agree with some of these observations. Of course there will be some unenergetic girls and I agree that there is more of a short-time mentality now than when I visited two years ago, yet I met some truly stunning girls who stayed all night and provided me with some of the best sex I've ever had. I also don't think you can say a comment like 'pickpockets by the dozen' without elaborating. Perhaps you had something stolen but that doesn't mean that all of those viagra / cigarette sellers are criminals. They're annoying but seemed harmless and I didn't experience one problem. Your final comment about Thailand is interesting. I love Thailand but I think Filipino girls provide a far warmer experience and the gogo bars in Angeles are far cheaper.

[QUOTE=BigBalls007;1261994]Girls are unenergetic, except when they do a runner as soon as they can, food is crap, beer is cheap, pickpockets by the dozen between perimeter and fields ave, airport security thieve from your luggage. Thailand welcomes you in a million better ways. Enjoy[/QUOTE]Nice to hear that. More for me, LOL.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1262273]Nice to hear that. More for me, LOL.[/QUOTE]Great to hear, more free pussy for me.

On the plane flying back to sex prison, I was sitting next to an Australian guy, and we got to chatting.

His name is Malcolm, and he manages the bar Touch of Class. It is owned by the same group that owns Emotions, next door.

The bar is open from 10 am till 7 pm, and it has a kitchen so that it serves a fairly full menu. It is a favourite eating place for guys in the vicinity. He says that it is one of the most successful and profitable bars in Perimeter. Has about 30 girls, and 16 t0 18 waitresses. He said that he sees his job as mostly having a beer with his customers, and sometimes throwing in a freebie.

It sounds like a 10 am,"heart starter", with breakfast and a sexy girl could be one of the more pleasant ways to start the day. And with the bar closing at 7 pm, it should be easier to arrange with a girl to meet you after work.

I asked him about the perception on this board of increasing numbers of guys from China, Korea etc. He agreed, but added that there was still a plentiful supply of girls coming to Angeles, so there is no iminent shortage to drive up prices.

He also remarked that the top end of Perimeter is now referred to as Korea City, with its own police force and a mayor. But he said that the thinks that trouble is coming. Some of the bars now have signs saying "Korean Only", and this will be a problem soon. He also mentioned that about 3 weeks ago, there was a drive by shooting of one of the larger Korean restaurants on the corner of Perimeter and Friendship highway. All of the front windows were shot out, and the guard was shot too.

Trouble brewing.

So, looks like a fun bar to try out.

G

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1261495]To Slippery.

Cathay Pacific just start flying direct from Chicago to HKG every day and 7 flight a day from the US, they also have 7 flight a day from HKG to Manila and one to Cebu, they offer a speical fare for domestic worker much cheaper than regular fare.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]I highlly recommend Cathay Pacific vs. Those shitty USA (United, et. Al) airlines. Decent enough food in economy class, and you will get all the included alcohol you could ever need, and lovely flight attendents (unlike the 45+ year old. 200 lb. Porkers you'll see on the American airlines, trying to shoehorn their fat asses through the aisles. Absolutely criminal, I tell ya.)

I am in HK and wonder if I can wangle that special DH rate to try out some brown bunny action in Manila (well, not that it's all hard to come by here in HK). What should I tell the reservation agent?"Mee love you long time" "I clean very well"?

[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1262532]I highlly recommend Cathay Pacific vs. Those shitty USA (United, et. Al) airlines. Decent enough food in economy class, and you will get all the included alcohol you could ever need, and lovely flight attendents (unlike the 45+ year old. 200 lb. Porkers you'll see on the American airlines, trying to shoehorn their fat asses through the aisles. Absolutely criminal, I tell ya.)

I am in HK and wonder if I can wangle that special DH rate to try out some brown bunny action in Manila (well, not that it's all hard to come by here in HK). What should I tell the reservation agent?"Mee love you long time" "I clean very well"?[/QUOTE]Wildhawk,

I fly with Cathay Pacific from SFO to HKG about 6 time a yr service is bit better than United, they will upgrade me for free now and then if they have seat in business class, but I like Singapore airline the most but Cathay have more connection flight to other country in asia and europe from HK, if you want to know a shitty airling try PAL from SFO direct to Manila that the worst.

Fast Eddie 48

Normally I don't post during the trip but I felt it is useful to publish latest info.

Came in on Sunday late night and staying in Angeles until Thursday this week. I don't know how many cities in the world you can say, your fun can start at 2 in the morning as in Angeles.

All in all, compared to last Aug, I see new bars, big bars and more and more girls and younger and younger girls. I don't know exactly the ratio but I would say may be 20 girls or more to 1 guy.

My usual place Dollhouse is not changed. Same girls and same mamasan.

What I noticed as change is internet is catching up with most of the girls and Facebook is becoming craze. I felt most of the girls have Facebook and my main request from girls is to take photos and upload them to their Facebook. So if you guys have a camera and a computer, that may get you few favors from your friends.

My trip moto is same as previous time. Mainly focusing on GF experience in Angeles and let out the nasty side in LOS. Best part is my GF in Angeles understand that it is Girl friends with "S" not a Girl friend as long as she is in it. Good to have a stable, known one at the same time try to sample few.

Best part of this trip so far was yesterday (or today early morning!) my GF rushing to restaurant with full anger when she came to know I picked up someone else without her knowing. Great drama to remember. It part of GF experiences of Angeles City. A good to story to tell how it all came about and worked out if I get the time.

This time staying in PB and it is a good hotel and I would recommend it. Very professional and clean service from pickup to security to house cleaning. Be good with cleaning girls and they will take care of your room and we all know how messy rooms gets even with just two girls.

I didn't experience any pickpocket or shooting so far. I didn't hear anyone seen it either. I enjoyed Forbidden shows. Nicely done but not still in par with Pattaya or Bangkok.

Heading out to LOS. Pattaya for more erotic side of experience. Let's see what is waiting there. We never know

Well, I do this route about 6 times a year into HK. I fly in from San Francisco or from Los Angeles. Because of my 1K status on United, I use United. United sucks, but the thing about United is their code share airlines. Their code share airlines are some of the best in the world like ANA, SIA, Air Canada, Air NZ, and Thai. I love ANA. The stewards on ANA are just outstanding. I fall in love everytime I board a flight. From HK, you can take either SEAIR (now an affiliate of Tiger Airways) or Cebu Pacific. The route from HK to Clark is very competitive, so you should be able to get it at 3000P (last minute purchase) or less depending on how early you purchase. In asia, Tiger airways is by far one of the worst budget airlines out there. If you haven't tried it, look into Jetstar. I flew on Jetstar from Manila to Singapore last week. Very pleasant. I would rate it among the best in asia, right behind Hong Kong airlines. On time. No fuss. Very professional. And a little bit compassionate. If your bag limit is 10kg, and it weighs 12kg, They will overlook the additional 2 kg.

Depending on your country of origin, in most cases Hong Kong does not require a visa. You don't need a visa if you have a US passport. Macau does not either for US passport holders. But you must have a visa for China mainland. You can get to Macau from HK airport via a ferry. Never have to step foot into China. If my memory serves me right, the ferry fare is somewhere around HK$150. Folks correct me if I am wrong.

And yes, the cheapest way to travel to asia is to get a direct flight to Hong Kong, and use one of the budget airlines to get to other cities. Also, depending on season. High season is when college kids are going home. Lots of students come into US from asia for college and grad school.

The other thing I noticed in recent days is fares on Skymiles affiliates like Delta, Cathay Pacific are ver competitive. In the past year, my lowest fare from San Francisco to HK ws $697, and highets around $1400. 00 Most of my fares has been around the low to high $800s.

Warning:

You cannot transfer to a budget airline at any airport in asia. Particularly, in Hong Kong. You must get out through immigration and customs and re-check back in. The time it will take you from the time you deplane to getting out of immigration an customs is approximately 45 minutes on a bad day with very very long lines at HK airport. If you get late, and are in a rush, walk straight up to the end of the line, talk to one of those light blue uniformed ladies, and tell them you are late for a connection, and they will get you through fast. They will check your boarding pass, so don't bullshit them. Or have a frequent traveler card like I do which takes me to the end of the line everytime, fast. The dirty looks I get all the time. Hehehehe. So, budget at least 3 hours to get to your budget airlines.

[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1262532]I highlly recommend Cathay Pacific vs. Those shitty USA (United, et. Al) airlines. Decent enough food in economy class, and you will get all the included alcohol you could ever need, and lovely flight attendents (unlike the 45+ year old. 200 lb. Porkers you'll see on the American airlines, trying to shoehorn their fat asses through the aisles. Absolutely criminal, I tell ya.)

I have flown just about every airline imaginable. Cathay is somewhere in the middle of the pack. And yes United sucks and I am a United 1K member. But I get a lot of stuff for being loyal. Cathay is slightly above the US based airlines with seasoned stewards. I fly them whenever I get fed up with United, or I can't get one of United's code share airlines. The best airlines are Singapore Airlines, ANA, Asiana, Thai because they go overboard treating you nicely. The best overall lowfare regional airline I think is Hong Kong Airlines. Best ultra budget is Jetstar. I can tell stories on all the things Hong Kong Airlines did for me personally when I was in trouble at HK airport. Wished they flew to North America.

Sidestory:

I flew from Guam to Honolulu last week, and then on to Orange County from Honolulu. One of the United steward was old and overweight. On top of that she was dragging one of her leg. She could barely walk or function. My flight from LAX to Shanghai was similar, where the steward was in her 60s. I am not kidding here. Most likely close to late 60s. She could barely function, and the rest of the crew were picking up the slack. The sad part of this whole thing is, that they are working because they most likely lost all of their pension. I just don't get it. Why can't they put them somewhere safe, like at the counter or something like that?

Yes the opening of that route by CP is a god send. Otherwise it was frigg'n horrible and United has the worst employees I have ever witnessed from a USA airline. But its employee owned so that explains alot.

United to HK from ORD lost my business as soon as AI saw the Cathay Pacific new route.

[QUOTE=Slippery; 1262630]Yes the opening of that route by CP is a god send. Otherwise it was frigg'and horrible and United has the worst employees I have ever witnessed from a USA airline. But its employee owned so that explains alot.

United to HK from ORD lost my business as soon as AI saw the Cathay Pacific new route.[/QUOTE]To Slippery

I been a Marco Polo member since 1995 then only one flight a day from LAX to HK, Cathay service have been going down hill the last 5 yr also, they use to offer me free coupon and gift when I made a compain about the service or flight delay now day there are no respond it all, I do fly with American airline to South america yes the employee don't give a shit any more they don't made the kind of money like they do 10 yr ago the union is weak.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Slippery; 1262630]Yes the opening of that route by CP is a god send. Otherwise it was frigg'and horrible and United has the worst employees I have ever witnessed from a USA airline. But its employee owned so that explains alot.

United to HK from ORD lost my business as soon as AI saw the Cathay Pacific new route.[/QUOTE]I also switched to Asian owned airlines. I lost my appetite when I saw the cabin crew of UA. They are at least twice the size of an average CP crew. Most of the UA cabin crew barely fits going down the aisle. Ahh.

I understand that Cebu Pacific still makes it very difficult / impossible to book online using a foreign credit cared. From my knowledge, it is the only global airline that does this.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1262652]I understand that Cebu Pacific still makes it very difficult / impossible to book online using a foreign credit cared. From my knowledge, it is the only global airline that does this.[/QUOTE]Yep, typical Philipino joke. Tried my cards online, no go. Rang call centre got to the "enter your details via automated system" still no fucking good.

I now have to book thru local agent, who are about 1000p more than the web price What a joke.

The wankers need to come into 21st century.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1262652]I understand that Cebu Pacific still makes it very difficult / impossible to book online using a foreign credit cared. From my knowledge, it is the only global airline that does this.[/QUOTE]My foreign CC works fine with CP, but I have to call my bank in advance (just a few minutes ahead of time) to tell them I'm booking with an asian-only airline. If I forget to call and tell them, the charge gets declined, and usually within about 15 minutes my bank calls me, checking for fraudulent activity.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1262684]My foreign CC works fine with CP, but I have to call my bank in advance (just a few minutes ahead of time) to tell them I'm booking with an asian-only airline. If I forget to call and tell them, the charge gets declined, and usually within about 15 minutes my bank calls me, checking for fraudulent activity.[/QUOTE]I agree with this, you should call the bank that issued your credit card right before you make the purchase (or maybe even during). In addition, I use my Visa card to buy tickets on Cebu Pacific which is "Verified by Visa". After you imput your card information you will be redirected to another screen where you will need to type in your Verified by Visa password. Then it works for me.

I'm not sure if Mastercard has a "verified" system? And I don't think Cebu Pacific takes American Express. But I am successful in using my Chase bank-issued Visa card on CPs website. Only downside is Chase charges a 3% foreign transaction fee.

[QUOTE=Slippery; 1262630]Yes the opening of that route by CP is a god send. Otherwise it was frigg'and horrible and United has the worst employees I have ever witnessed from a USA airline. But its employee owned so that explains alot.

United to HK from ORD lost my business as soon as AI saw the Cathay Pacific new route.[/QUOTE]Slippery,

Not trying to defend UAL employees, but before you start bashing the UAL workers, you should check your ". UAL is NOT employee owned, it was in the late 1990's, (when it was also very profitable and the stock split 4-1). The airline filed bankruptcy in 2003 and those "grumpy" employees have been working under the same court imposed agreement since that time.

The "new" management, ie old CAL officers said they wanted a fresh start, and yet have not seen fit to finish the process of combining the groups, citing the employees resistance as the reason.

As usual the management runs off with a large bonus, leaving the workers behind to try to give a good service with less and less. Doesn't take long to figure out who loses in that equation. EVERYONE!

[QUOTE=Ezinho;1262696]Only downside is Chase charges a 3% foreign transaction fee.[/QUOTE]Not the Chase Premier Marriott Rewards card. There is an annual fee, but they give you an anniversary free night at any 1 to 5 category Marriott family hotels to compensate. The 5x points rewards add up fast and I have received many free nights, plus free room upgrades. So consider changing your card. If you don't like Marriott, try the Priority Intercontinental Chase card. Same deal: annual fee, but free anniversary nights, no transaction fees, and free automatic room upgrades.

I like Cebu Pacific airlines. They have pretty stewardesses. They use 2 exits on most planes for fast exit. I pay the $5 fee for a reserved seat in the first 4 rows. I usually get a whole row to myself. I wish they flew to the USA. The only downside is the late hour on many of the flights I like to take: Macau – Clark and Clark nonstop to Cebu for example.

[QUOTE=Cool Traveler; 1262604]Sidestory:

I flew from Guam to Honolulu last week, and then on to Orange County from Honolulu. One of the United steward was old and overweight. On top of that she was dragging one of her leg. She could barely walk or function. My flight from LAX to Shanghai was similar, where the steward was in her 60s. I am not kidding here. Most likely close to late 60s. She could barely function, and the rest of the crew were picking up the slack. The sad part of this whole thing is, that they are working because they most likely lost all of their pension. I just don't get it. Why can't they put them somewhere safe, like at the counter or something like that?[/QUOTE]I have read that on United, the flight attendants with seniority (union rules) get their pick of routes. Plus they have a minimum number of flight hours per month they must fly. So the old ones pick the long haul flights and get their monthly minimum done in just a few days work and then use their 'fly free' status the rest of the month.

Cal8

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1262759]Not the Chase Premier Marriott Rewards card. There is an annual fee, but they give you an anniversary free night at any 1 to 5 category Marriott family hotels to compensate. The 5x points rewards add up fast and I have received many free nights, plus free room upgrades. So consider changing your card. If you don't like Marriott, try the Priority Intercontinental Chase card. Same deal: annual fee, but free anniversary nights, no transaction fees, and free automatic room upgrades.[/QUOTE]Ditto Natty Bumpo: I take my Chase Premier Marriott Rewards credit card whenever I go overseas and there is no foreign transaction fee. And those fees really add up.

Cal8

[QUOTE=California8; 1262833]I have read that on United, the flight attendants with seniority (union rules) get their pick of routes. Plus they have a minimum number of flight hours per month they must fly. So the old ones pick the long haul flights and get their monthly minimum done in just a few days work and then use their 'fly free' status the rest of the month.

Cal8[/QUOTE]Cal8, I think that is what is happening. I have so many miles on them, hate to go to another airline. I was sitting in business class last week from Honolulu to Orange County. The seats had individual video screens, with DirectTV. Problem was you needed to run your credit card through to watch anything. I mean, whats up with that. It is business class! And you have to pay for your entertainment.

Unfortunately, I most likely will still fly them.

And yes, to one of the commenters here, Catahy has been sliding downhill. Most of the asian airlines suffered when they lost their most lucrative routes, which were the short routes, that has been taken by the budget airlines.

[QUOTE=Ezinho;1262696]I agree with this, you should call the bank that issued your credit card right before you make the purchase (or maybe even during). In addition, I use my Visa card to buy tickets on Cebu Pacific which is "Verified by Visa". After you imput your card information you will be redirected to another screen where you will need to type in your Verified by Visa password. Then it works for me.[SNIP][/QUOTE]I also use my visa card and book online with cebu pacific without any trouble. The verified by visa extra password is the key. I do inform visa of my plans for international travel and fill in the security department on the info, I often book cebu pacific flights in advance of informing visa.

Only trouble I have had with cebu pacific is getting them to change flights after booking or trying to book a limited super-promo fare when everyone in the Philippines is trying to book the same flight all at once. Best way is to visit a cebu pacific office and deal direct for any changes.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1262759][SNIP]I like Cebu Pacific airlines. They have pretty stewardesses. They use 2 exits on most planes for fast exit. I pay the $5 fee for a reserved seat in the first 4 rows. I usually get a whole row to myself. I wish they flew to the USA. The only downside is the late hour on many of the flights I like to take: Macau – Clark and Clark nonstop to Cebu for example.[/QUOTE]Be aware that when booking a Clark-Cebu flight or vice-versa with cebu pacific, there is a load factor indicator that dictates if that flight is a go or a no. If the seats sold number is under the break even point the flight is cancelled and you will routed through Manila and put on the next Manila-Cebu flight and that can suck.

[QUOTE=California8; 1262833]I have read that on United, the flight attendants with seniority (union rules) get their pick of routes. Plus they have a minimum number of flight hours per month they must fly. So the old ones pick the long haul flights and get their monthly minimum done in just a few days work and then use their 'fly free' status the rest of the month.

Cal8[/QUOTE]I know it is off the main topic, but want to make sure that the correct information is being put out there. First, almost all (I can't think of one that does not use this system) airlines in North America and most larger ones in Europe use the seniority system when assigning trips to crew members. The way it is handled differs greatly at each carrier. You are correct that most of this is covered by union contract, but even the non-union carriers have similar work rules. You are also correct that at least at United, Continental, Northwest, and I expect before it is all said and done American, the pensions were either terminated or frozen.

Of course back in the "good old days" of regulated skies and age (plus a few other) discrimination, the flight attendants couldn't work past 30 and were not allowed to be married. They had weight and appearance checks on a regular basis. Whether it was "better" then, is a matter of perspective I guess. Certainly from an appearance standpoint it is hard to disagree that a 20 something slender cutie is much preferred to an over 50 battlewagon. Those pesky social issues.

If you have been on a airplane recently you know how full they are, well trying to ride "standby" is a nightmare and I can assure that "fly free" status is anything but.

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88;1262877]Be aware that when booking a Clark-Cebu flight or vice-versa with cebu pacific, there is a load factor indicator that dictates if that flight is a go or a no. If the seats sold number is under the break even point the flight is cancelled and you will routed through Manila and put on the next Manila-Cebu flight and that can suck.[/QUOTE]I did not know that Stroker. Thanks for telling me. The Clark-Cebu flight I took was at least 75% occupied.

Has anyone barfined this girl before from Voodoo bar? She is tall 5' 7". If you have any details let me know or PM me.

Thanks!

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[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1262532]I highlly recommend Cathay Pacific vs. Those shitty USA (United, et. Al) airlines. Decent enough food in economy class, and you will get all the included alcohol you could ever need, and lovely flight attendents (unlike the 45+ year old. 200 lb. Porkers you'll see on the American airlines, trying to shoehorn their fat asses through the aisles. Absolutely criminal, I tell ya.)

I am in HK and wonder if I can wangle that special DH rate to try out some brown bunny action in Manila (well, not that it's all hard to come by here in HK). What should I tell the reservation agent?"Mee love you long time" "I clean very well"?[/QUOTE]So I am confuse about how you fly back from AC to HK. By flying Ceba or Seair in the morning you arrive around 9 am and United, American and some Cathy flight leave between 940 and 1150 am so if you need 3 hours to transfer then does everyone take the pm flight arriving at 2330h and wait the eleven hour layover. It may be better flying into Manila and not worrying about custom tranfer. Also the three times I stayed in AC it was at the Pacific Breeze which was for a week because I split my time in Manila but now I spending all my time in AC. Since I will be staying three weeks I looking for a place that is more affordable. I would like to know if the DM Residente would be a better choose. The cost for a jacuzzi room is half of the PB but can anyone tell me about this place like the room size, condition and the staff. I heard that there is no safe in the room which is strike one but is it okay to keep my stuff there or will I have problems traveling at night. I hope you can help me.

I staid at the DM residente before but was one the villas, service was ok not great and its a good walk to fields from there in short you will have to trike it almost everywhere my advice try looking into maybe Royal Amsterdam or a new one call Galaxy hotel rooms look good and prices are great and right in the hart of all.

Thanks Dflostrife also thought of staying at a villa, but is it true that there is no room safes.

I will be arriving next week, if anyone can suggest a girl with milk (name and bar) that would be appreciated.

Thanks.

I look forward to posting my first report soon.

[QUOTE=GosiwonBusan; 1264946]I will be arriving next week, if anyone can suggest a girl with milk (name and bar) that would be appreciated.

Thanks.

I look forward to posting my first report soon.[/QUOTE]The Cowbell Bar might be able to help.

Can anyone tell me if it is safe to fly in to HKG at 9AM on Ceba or Seair and make a 1130AM connecting flight?

[QUOTE=Dick Hertz;1265807]Can anyone tell me if it is safe to fly in to HKG at 9AM on Ceba or Seair and make a 1130AM connecting flight?[/QUOTE]Dick.

That is plenty of time. 2.5 Hours. I usually do it in less than 90 minutes. Hong Kong is a very efficient airport.

[QUOTE=Dick Hertz;1265807]Can anyone tell me if it is safe to fly in to HKG at 9AM on Ceba or Seair and make a 1130AM connecting flight?[/QUOTE]You shouldn't have a problem unless Tiger or Cebu is delayed, but remember you will have to exit thru customs and then go to the check in counter I believe if you check luggage because I am sure that neither of these airlines has a transfer agreement with anyone at HKIA. This may add to the hassle factor!

Sky

Thanks for the info I can make my plans now.

[QUOTE=Dick Hertz;1266137]Thanks for the info I can make my plans now.[/QUOTE]As Sky said, "You shouldn't have a problem unless Tiger or Cebu is delayed." I would never take that risk. Stay overnight in HKG. It is a great town. Wanchai has some quality pickup bars, East TST offers up Chinese FL's, and Monkok has plenty of massage joints like 37 Dundas. I would recommend staying a couple of days there before flying home.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1266202]As Sky said, "You shouldn't have a problem unless Tiger or Cebu is delayed." I would never take that risk. Stay overnight in HKG. It is a great town. Wanchai has some quality pickup bars, East TST offers up Chinese FL's, and Monkok has plenty of massage joints like 37 Dundas. I would recommend staying a couple of days there before flying home.[/QUOTE]I agree with Natty, I would never trust Cebu or Tiger if I needed to make a connection with less than 12 hours. An overnight in HK has its own rewards as well, albeit a litte more pricey!

I have been to Angeles City last 2 months.

Information is a lot on internet. Nothing much to say again except I recommend High Society & Club Asia.

The current rate is 1800peso for ordinary girl and 3000peso for hot girl tlr.

I cannot accept the 1800peso girl even they pay me for sex service. So I always pick up 3000peso girl.

But there is an exception, you pick up the girl from a 24 hour bar daytime. 1800peso is st price for all girls, pretty or not.

The street is lousy as always. The weekend room around fields avenue is full as always. If you arrive on weekend, you need to stay a bit far from field ave, maybe the walking distance is 200m-500m. It is still acceptable.

Club Atlantis, Dollhouse are always full of working girl and people as in old time. But I recommend other new club.

Be sure to pick up girl early, such as 7. 00-8. 00pm something, otherwise you couldn't get top notch girl. The competition is intense there due to its fame.

The overall night scene is boring, except watching girl & fucking. No live music performance, even no strip show in most clubs!

Not a very exciting place after all.

Not all the girls are willing to stay with you for the whole night. I can say 80% of the working girls there have attitude problem.

Tips one of the bartender, manager, agent, waitress, whatever around you for good recommendation. (*They follow you from the doorstep once you enter into club and always pay attention to your need) It is useful. I don't like iceberg, and I am willing to avoid the iceberg at a small cost.

Besides, another thing is the girls always like to go back early around 5-6am even they stay overnight with you. The excuse is prayer, back to hometown, blablabla.

But if you are handsome enough, young enough, and have great fucking ability. The situation I mention above won't apply on you.

Otherwise, accept the fact. Don't ever think to use money to buy you out of the unfriendly situation. It never works no matter what country you are fucking in. Pick nice girl at start is the point and the only workable solution.

I am in AC, and looking for a wingman, someone to hang out with.

If you are interested then send me a PM, let me know where and when to meet.

Quick report. Every girl so far has been 2000. I have not had any problem with LD. Most of the girls have one an then seem honest about mens, or other issue. Girls that I have taken back stay the night. Personally I couldn't say if one bar was better than another. They seem about the same. Personally I prefer the smaller places, it is easier for me.

I agree with everyone else, there doesn't seem to be much else to do.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1254013]In April Anna from La Union should be back in AC, most likely Dirty Duck. Highly recomended but she is a bit of a psyco so watch out. Few Annas in dirty duck but this one wears a necklace with her name on it. She just gave birth so plenty of milk I assume[/QUOTE]Is Dirty Duck open again? Was in AC a few weeks ago and it was closed. I know this is a constant revolving door.

[QUOTE=El Ted; 1249688]Since they were non-pros and most had regular jobs,

I tipped them from 500 to 1500 pesos depending on how much time they spent with me and how much I enjoyed it.[/QUOTE]Good report and thanks for posting. Had to muddle through alot of travel and financial posts to see it! But I disagree with the above two lines. Would you tip a girl in your country after a hook-up? Some of the best pro's don't work in bars and juggle a couple dozen guys because their looking for the long term pay-outs. But all that matters is that you had fun. PEace out.

[QUOTE=The Rooster1;1268424]Good report and thanks for posting. Had to muddle through alot of travel and financial posts to see it! But I disagree with the above two lines. Would you tip a girl in your country after a hook-up? Some of the best pro's don't work in bars and juggle a couple dozen guys because their looking for the long term pay-outs. But all that matters is that you had fun. PEace out.[/QUOTE]The term non-pro was not well chosen I have to admit. Perhaps semi-pro would have been better. I chatted with most of these girls for a couple of weeks before meeting them, and I was very honest in my DIA profile and in chatting about what I wanted. And they returned the favor by stating more or less clearly that they wanted compensation for the time they spent with me. Fine by me, we were all happy when we parted ways.

[QUOTE=Nomadic Mong; 1262595]Best part of this trip so far was yesterday (or today early morning!) my GF rushing to restaurant with full anger when she came to know I picked up someone else without her knowing. Great drama to remember. It part of GF experiences of Angeles City. A good to story to tell how it all came about and worked out if I get the time.

I didn't experience any pickpocket or shooting so far. I didn't hear anyone seen it either. I enjoyed Forbidden shows. Nicely done but not still in par with Pattaya or Bangkok.[/QUOTE]PI, espc AC girls are experts are playing part of jealous gf. They have always managed to make me feel guilty for bf'ing another girl even tho I may have only Bf her once / twice. Kind of strange when you know they fuck different guys everyday to Sunday when you are not here. I had one ready to quit the whole bar scene and leave AC with me to wherever I go. Even tells me she doesn't get BF anymore (only dance) and SKYPE / cam me every night after her shift as if. Took me a few weeks at home to get over her. Still trying to figure out how to 'avoid' her next time I'm in town as this place, I swear, is full of spies. I was just walking down Fields last time with her, she knows every other bar-girls outside pulling customer in. If not her sister, then one of her girlfriends used to work at same bar. I could be walking alone and occasionally her friends would remember me with a wink / smile even ask me where's my girl?

I think solution is just be honest with them. Say your a butterfly that would love to see her again, but also love to see others. I think the hot ones have no problem with these guilt trips because they know they can get Bf every night. But then my jealous girl is hot too come to think about it. But there are hotter ones I'm after.

I was in Angeles City the first week in March for my cherry trip. Stayed at the Central Park Hotel which, was fine for my first trip as the food was surprisingly good, and all the staff really cool, and laid back. Regretfully I only barfined from Fields and made many first time mistakes, and wasted lots of money for alot less honey. I failed to ask the girls about longtime definition to them, how many pops, bbbjs, and BBFS. I did alot of runners with poor service, and all the girls wanted to use condoms. Which surprised me being that I am young early 30s, ok looking, and in shape. I also, rang that stupid bell in bars too much, popped too many darn balloons, and bought too many ladies drinks especially for girls I had no interest in. I dunno. I was just trippin on the sheen quantity of girls in general. All these years of hearing about Angeles and now finally hear and totally shocked! Oh well I did have fun for my first time but, wish I could have had an experienced wingmang to cruise with and help show me the ropes. If down I will provide the drinks as a show of gratitute for the "aloha". I will be back in early November for 10 days and will probably be trying Pacific Breeze Hotel. Also, when I was there Dirty Duck was closed does anyone know the status of current situation. I will provide a more detailed account of my trip.

Thank you all.

Hello Sir Lancelot,

I am still waiting for your full reports on your recent sexcapade.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1262140]Hi. I will be more than happy to provide you with all of this information but it will take a while to write (at the moment I've got thousands of notes on my mobile phone!). I also plan to provide a map of Fields Avenue with info on all of the bars, which I think you might find helpful.[/QUOTE]

To answer my own question and the rooster1. One of my friends, who is a drink server at One Eyed Wench told me lots of ex-workers from dirty duck are at her bar. Apparently a few girls never had their licenses at Dirty Duck and that is why it is closed.

You're relatively young, ringing bells and you still get runners? Wow, can someone explain this? March is low season. I slipped a gal my phone number about 2am, then left. She texted at 4am but I was asleep, didn't wake up, and thought I missed a chance. She was in my bed at 1pm that afternoon.

As for the condoms, I'm not sure why that is a problem for you. Are you weirded out with tatoos, getting wild. Ummm, ringing bells. Maybe that is why they want the protection. Some of us are kind and gentle grandfathers. The girls think we are harmless. And of course we are.

I rarely talk specifics about services with gals, other than,"let's have breakfast together." I like GFE so I don't talk specific sx acts, but others have good results by getting a check list. Different things work with diff gals, there's no rhyme or reason.

X.

[QUOTE=Ty Stick; 1269383]I was in Angeles City the first week in March for my cherry trip. Stayed at the Central Park Hotel which, was fine for my first trip as the food was surprisingly good, and all the staff really cool, and laid back. Regretfully I only barfined from Fields and made many first time mistakes, and wasted lots of money for alot less honey. I failed to ask the girls about longtime definition to them, how many pops, bbbjs, and BBFS. I did alot of runners with poor service, and all the girls wanted to use condoms. Which surprised me being that I am young early 30s, ok looking, and in shape. I also, rang that stupid bell in bars too much, popped too many darn balloons, and bought too many ladies drinks especially for girls I had no interest in. I dunno. I was just trippin on the sheen quantity of girls in general. All these years of hearing about Angeles and now finally hear and totally shocked! Oh well I did have fun for my first time but, wish I could have had an experienced wingmang to cruise with and help show me the ropes. If down I will provide the drinks as a show of gratitute for the "aloha". I will be back in early November for 10 days and will probably be trying Pacific Breeze Hotel. Also, when I was there Dirty Duck was closed does anyone know the status of current situation. I will provide a more detailed account of my trip.

Thank you all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ty Stick;1269383]I did alot of runners with poor service, and all the girls wanted to use condoms. Which surprised me being that I am young early 30s, ok looking, and in shape.[/QUOTE]On my last trip, all the girls I took wanted to use condoms also. In the past, I rarely heard the girls say "condom" in the bedroom. Times have changed!

[QUOTE=Ty Stick;1269383]I did alot of runners with poor service, and all the girls wanted to use condoms.[/QUOTE]It would be good if we can get more details as to what exactly you did to figure this one out. I am in my early 30's and in my 40-50 trips in AC I have had 1 runner only. Maybe they could smell NEW BLOOD, maybe you were way to soft or perhaps come across as arogant without even noticing it yourself. To me it seems very unusual but hey as long as you had fun thats all that counts.

[QUOTE=Ty Stick;1269383]. I did alot of runners with poor service, .[/QUOTE]You shouldn't have shown them your badge.

[QUOTE=Ty Stick;1269383]I was in Angeles City the first week in March for my cherry trip. and made many first time mistakes, and wasted lots of money for alot less honey. I failed to ask the girls about longtime definition to them, how many pops, bbbjs, and BBFS. I did alot of runners with poor service, and all the girls wanted to use condoms. Which surprised me .[/QUOTE]It surprises me too. I never ask girls about their service. I think it is a mood killer. In the PI, I assume it will be LT with BBBJ's and multiple shots. In Thailand, it is different and ST and LT options are clearly known by both parties. But I always spend some time getting to know a little about the girl, no matter where I am, before the barfine, in order to see if she is the right one for me. I am looking for more than a pretty face and sexy body to pound. Body language is key! I am always friendly and I never act like I need to get laid. I flirt with the girl and always buy her a drink. If I sense anything I don't like or that seems peculiar; I end things and politely walk. My interview technique seems to work because I have a very low percentage of disappointments. Not all shags are great. Some girls you really connect with and others turn out to be average. On my recent 2012 trip for example, I had only one lackluster performance where the girl and I had no chemistry together once we got in bed. Now to the point of this post:

I was in AC in early February with exactly the opposite results as Ty. I EWR'd 4 girls in 5 nights and repeated with my favorite on my last day. I took girls out of Body Shop, LIA, Pasha, and Club Asia. The LIA girl (Juliet) was the most GFE and the cheapest at 1300p. I bar fined her around 3pm and did not let her go till noon the next day. I must have shagged her 5 or 6 times, I lost count. I gave her a 500p tip. She was the one I repeated with later. Jo Ann, the Body Shop gal was the hottest and Rosana, the Pasha girl was very cute. I think I paid 1800p and 2000p for each. They each gave me soapy shower, BBBJ's and multiple shots. I gave each girl 300p tip. It was Valentine's day so I got sentimental and EWR'd Edzel from Club Asia for 3000p because she looked real pretty. She was nice, but gave me nothing more than the other girls. In fact, she came in last place in my after shag performance evaluation of her although she was slightly prettier than Miss Pasha. I did not tip her. I thought she had enough with her cut of the EWR.

Now here is the funny thing: I fell off the wagon with Riny an Indonesian thigh massage girl I met in Macau. We shagged the 1st time with a condom and it was great. Afterwards, we were cuddling and kissing side by side and I started to get hard again. Riny noticed and gave me a few tender tugs. Then she got up on her knees. She gave me a knowing, dirty, questioning look. No words were spoke. I knew what she was asking and I nodded in guilty assent. Then she slowly mounted me and began to ride me bareback. The feelings I had shagging her were sensational. It's like the first shag was listening to somebody speak while wearing Boise noise reduction headphones and the 2nd shag was like removing the headphones and hearing everything clearly and distinctly. There was no comparison. As I was about to cum, I pulled out and my jism landed on Rinys stomach. She just laughed at my perceived silliness. I hadn't gone bareback since an accident in 2001 in Bangkok when my condom fell off during intercourse. How that happened is another story.

When I arrived in the PI, I was resolved not to go bareback again! But on my very first night in AC, my lack of self restraint continued. Jo Ann was giving me a BBBJ. When she was finished she just moved up on me and without any hesitation, impaled herself on my cock. I was a little surprised at first, but only a little. I had a fair idea of what she was about to do and secretly hoped she would do it. I did nothing to prevent it. I thought about pulling out, but then like with the Macau session, the sensory feelings overpowered any resolve I had left and I just went with it, powerless to end it. Again, I pulled out before I unloaded and again this just amused the girl. Her giggle seemed to say what is this silly man doing, pulling out of my pussy as he cums. On the second shag, I did not pull out and it felt great to unload in her pussy. With my 2nd AC girl Juliet, same, same, only this time, after her BBBJ, I was a little more proactive. We were lying side by side kissing and I started to massage her clit. As I was playing around with her, I sort of just let my dick slide into her pussy sideways. Juliet offered absolutely no resistance as I slowly entered her. It was like a hot knife slicing into room temperature butter. Again the sensory feelings were overpowering and I could not stop. And so it went. I barebacked every girl I had this trip in the PI; Rosana, Edzel, Celine from BG's, Wendy from Arena, Joy from MBC, and Beth from Fire House; I barebacked all of them. And none of the my Filipinas even mentioned a condom or expressed any interest in using one. Beth the girl from EDSA smiled and said I was a "bad boy' when I came in her pussy, but then when we shagged again a 2nd and a 3rd time, she did not even mention it and seemed to enjoy it. I know I did. By then, I was completely out of control as far as protection and prevention was concerned. It was not until I left the Philippines and landed in LOS that I was able to climb back on the wagon and get some control back with the help of all my Thai girls who insisted on a condom.

I am not trying to promote what I did. What I did was reckless and risky. I know that. But facts are facts and riding bareback is exponentially more pleasurable than using protection.

Ty Stick's post prompted me to submit this report. Near the end of my trip, I was back in Macau and fell off the wagon one more time with a Singapore model in Famila Nobre. I'm bad! I have had no symptoms of any STD's since returning home. But I went to a lab and got tested anyway to make sure. Total lab costs were $300. I did not want to put this on my insurance. The tests results came back negative. I am now back on the wagon again, but like a recovering alcoholic, I think I will be at risk again whenever I return to the Philippines. These temptations are part of the game.

I always thought high season was November to March, with December to February high season at its very peak.

Can people write in and give their opinion as to when high season is? Its the best time for full selection of hot ladies, so want to be there then.

[QUOTE=Ty Stick; 1269383]I was in Angeles City the first week in March for my cherry trip. Stayed at the Central Park Hotel which, was fine for my first trip as the food was surprisingly good, and all the staff really cool, and laid back. Regretfully I only barfined from Fields and made many first time mistakes, and wasted lots of money for alot less honey. I failed to ask the girls about longtime definition to them, how many pops, bbbjs, and BBFS. I did alot of runners with poor service, and all the girls wanted to use condoms. Which surprised me being that I am young early 30s, ok looking, and in shape. I also, rang that stupid bell in bars too much, popped too many darn balloons, and bought too many ladies drinks especially for girls I had no interest in. I dunno. I was just trippin on the sheen quantity of girls in general. All these years of hearing about Angeles and now finally hear and totally shocked! Oh well I did have fun for my first time but, wish I could have had an experienced wingmang to cruise with and help show me the ropes. If down I will provide the drinks as a show of gratitute for the "aloha". I will be back in early November for 10 days and will probably be trying Pacific Breeze Hotel. Also, when I was there Dirty Duck was closed does anyone know the status of current situation. I will provide a more detailed account of my trip.

Thank you all.[/QUOTE]It happens bro! The important thing is you went and had a good time. You will learn as you continue to go and get advice from others. First trip should just include getting hammered, getting laid, and making it back to work ontime. Sounds like you did alright. First couple of times I went I liked that bell too. And the balls.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1269967]It surprises me too. I never ask girls about their service. I think it is a mood killer. In the PI, I assume it will be LT with BBBJ's and multiple shots. In Thailand, it is different and ST and LT options are clearly known by both parties. But I always spend some time getting to know a little about the girl, no matter where I am, before the barfine, in order to see if she is the right one for me. I am looking for more than a pretty face and sexy body to pound. Body language is key! I am always friendly and I never act like I need to get laid. I flirt with the girl and always buy her a drink. If I sense anything I don't like or that seems peculiar; I end things and politely walk. My interview technique seems to work because I have a very low percentage of disappointments. Not all shags are great. Some girls you really connect with and others turn out to be average. On my recent 2012 trip for example, I had only one lackluster performance where the girl and I had no chemistry together once we got in bed. Now to the point of this post:

I was in AC in early February with exactly the opposite results as Ty. I EWR'd 4 girls in 5 nights and repeated with my favorite on my last day. I took girls out of Body Shop, LIA, Pasha, and Club Asia. The LIA girl (Juliet) was the most GFE and the cheapest at 1300p. I bar fined her around 3pm and did not let her go till noon the next day. I must have shagged her 5 or 6 times, I lost count. I gave her a 500p tip. She was the one I repeated with later. Jo Ann, the Body Shop gal was the hottest and Rosana, the Pasha girl was very cute. I think I paid 1800p and 2000p for each. They each gave me soapy shower, BBBJ's and multiple shots. I gave each girl 300p tip. It was Valentine's day so I got sentimental and EWR'd Edzel from Club Asia for 3000p because she looked real pretty. She was nice, but gave me nothing more than the other girls. In fact, she came in last place in my after shag performance evaluation of her although she was slightly prettier than Miss Pasha. I did not tip her. I thought she had enough with her cut of the EWR.

Now here is the funny thing: I fell off the wagon with Riny an Indonesian thigh massage girl I met in Macau. We shagged the 1st time with a condom and it was great. Afterwards, we were cuddling and kissing side by side and I started to get hard again. Riny noticed and gave me a few tender tugs. Then she got up on her knees. She gave me a knowing, dirty, questioning look. No words were spoke. I knew what she was asking and I nodded in guilty assent. Then she slowly mounted me and began to ride me bareback. The feelings I had shagging her were sensational. It's like the first shag was listening to somebody speak while wearing Boise noise reduction headphones and the 2nd shag was like removing the headphones and hearing everything clearly and distinctly. There was no comparison. As I was about to cum, I pulled out and my jism landed on Rinys stomach. She just laughed at my perceived silliness. I hadn't gone bareback since an accident in 2001 in Bangkok when my condom fell off during intercourse. How that happened is another story.

When I arrived in the PI, I was resolved not to go bareback again! But on my very first night in AC, my lack of self restraint continued. Jo Ann was giving me a BBBJ. When she was finished she just moved up on me and without any hesitation, impaled herself on my cock. I was a little surprised at first, but only a little. I had a fair idea of what she was about to do and secretly hoped she would do it. I did nothing to prevent it. I thought about pulling out, but then like with the Macau session, the sensory feelings overpowered any resolve I had left and I just went with it, powerless to end it. Again, I pulled out before I unloaded and again this just amused the girl. Her giggle seemed to say what is this silly man doing, pulling out of my pussy as he cums. On the second shag, I did not pull out and it felt great to unload in her pussy. With my 2nd AC girl Juliet, same, same, only this time, after her BBBJ, I was a little more proactive. We were lying side by side kissing and I started to massage her clit. As I was playing around with her, I sort of just let my dick slide into her pussy sideways. Juliet offered absolutely no resistance as I slowly entered her. It was like a hot knife slicing into room temperature butter. Again the sensory feelings were overpowering and I could not stop. And so it went. I barebacked every girl I had this trip in the PI; Rosana, Edzel, Celine from BG's, Wendy from Arena, Joy from MBC, and Beth from Fire House; I barebacked all of them. And none of the my Filipinas even mentioned a condom or expressed any interest in using one. Beth the girl from EDSA smiled and said I was a "bad boy' when I came in her pussy, but then when we shagged again a 2nd and a 3rd time, she did not even mention it and seemed to enjoy it. I know I did. By then, I was completely out of control as far as protection and prevention was concerned. It was not until I left the Philippines and landed in LOS that I was able to climb back on the wagon and get some control back with the help of all my Thai girls who insisted on a condom.

I am not trying to promote what I did. What I did was reckless and risky. I know that. But facts are facts and riding bareback is exponentially more pleasurable than using protection.

Ty Stick's post prompted me to submit this report. Near the end of my trip, I was back in Macau and fell off the wagon one more time with a Singapore model in Famila Nobre. I'm bad! I have had no symptoms of any STD's since returning home. But I went to a lab and got tested anyway to make sure. Total lab costs were $300. I did not want to put this on my insurance. The tests results came back negative. I am now back on the wagon again, but like a recovering alcoholic, I think I will be at risk again whenever I return to the Philippines. These temptations are part of the game.[/QUOTE]Very good report and so true!

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1269967]I am not trying to promote what I did. What I did was reckless and risky. I know that. But facts are facts and riding bareback is exponentially more pleasurable than using protection.[/QUOTE]How many of the working girls are taking the pill?

[QUOTE=Sxxxx; 1270041]I always thought high season was November to March, with December to February high season at its very peak.

Can people write in and give their opinion as to when high season is? Its the best time for full selection of hot ladies, so want to be there then.[/QUOTE]Yup you are right. Many girls that need to work the bars will begin in October or November and wrap it up and go back to their province before the rainy season starts again around May.

[QUOTE=Mattrick;1270160]Yup you are right. Many girls that need to work the bars will begin in October or November and wrap it up and go back to their province before the rainy season starts again around May.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the confirmation.

hi guys,

it was my first time in the philippines. i used to work in thailand for more than 6 years but never could make it there. so this time i wanted to spend my holiday in the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]'s.

i started in manila and i was surprised about the manila bay cafe and couldn't close my mouth by how you are stormed by the most beautiful girls i have ever seen. never made it to the 2nd floor though. why should i pay for something i have downstairs? had 3 extraordinary hardcore nights with the girls, once 2 at once, and headed for a week to the famous angeles city. but what i saw i could not believe. i mean, if you know pattaya and have seen it, what the hell do you do in angeles city. it's basically one road (fields avenue) , maybe 3 or 4 kilometers long and nothing arround it. the second thing i didn't know was that there are only gogo bars. i like to sit in a bar, talk to the girls and select one rather than looking at nearly no motivated girls, swinging their sometimes fat hips. sorry boys but this is no bar hopping, this is gogo hopping.

after chosing a girl from butterfly rock for a week (looked like miss philippines but dead fish in bed, at least something for the eye) i headed to subic bay for another week. that's where the fun started for me. i had better gone there directly. beautiful girls. plenty of them. floating bars. great hotels. fantastic time.

so in my point of view:

skip angeles.

go to pattaya for hardcore and fun.

or.

go to subic bay for sun and fun and gfe

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1270105]How many of the working girls are taking the pill?[/QUOTE]I would say none. For some reason Phi girls love to get pregnant even non-bargirls. With regard to bargirls they do not seem to care who the father is? In fact they themselves do not seem to know.

I had met a real beautifull 18 year old Agasya girl few years ago and ended up with her for 4 nights. Well she did not get pregnant by me although it was bareback.

When I went four months later she was pregnant. I barfined her again but her enthusiasm in sex was not there. She thought anything I did would hurt the baby. She did not know who the father was.

Nowadays I do not barfine and exclusively stay with many regular girls I met. I put all these girls on the pill for the duration of my stay. None got pregnant.

I did not catch any STD either. Do not know if they fucked other guys. I never ask because since I am not going to marry them what they do is their business besides if I ask they would definitely lie.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1270105]How many of the working girls are taking the pill?[/QUOTE]Zero or 1% as it is considered illegal in PI by the local church goers

[quote=loverboy44; 1270264]hi guys,

it was my first time in the philippines. i used to work in thailand for more than 6 years but never could make it there. so this time i wanted to spend my holiday in the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]'s.

i started in manila and i was surprised about the manila bay cafe and couldn't close my mouth by how you are stormed by the most beautiful girls i have ever seen. never made it to the 2nd floor though. why should i pay for something i have downstairs? had 3 extraordinary hardcore nights with the girls, once 2 at once, and headed for a week to the famous angeles city. but what i saw i could not believe. i mean, if you know pattaya and have seen it, what the hell do you do in angeles city. it's basically one road (fields avenue) , maybe 3 or 4 kilometers long and nothing arround it. the second thing i didn't know was that there are only gogo bars. i like to sit in a bar, talk to the girls and select one rather than looking at nearly no motivated girls, swinging their sometimes fat hips. sorry boys but this is no bar hopping, this is gogo hopping.

after chosing a girl from butterfly rock for a week (looked like miss philippines but dead fish in bed, at least something for the eye) i headed to subic bay for another week. that's where the fun started for me. i had better gone there directly. beautiful girls. plenty of them. floating bars. great hotels. fantastic time.

so in my point of view:

skip angeles.

go to pattaya for hardcore and fun.

or.

go to subic bay for sun and fun and gfe[/quote]has things changed at mbc? it's been about 6 months since the last time i went and i would only see one or two diamonds in the rough. a lot of them are a bit past their prime. if i wanted to go for looks, i'd hit up burgos street.

[quote=loverboy44; 1270264]hi guys,

it was my first time in the philippines. i used to work in thailand for more than 6 years but never could make it there. so this time i wanted to spend my holiday in the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]'s.

i started in manila and i was surprised about the manila bay cafe and couldn't close my mouth by how you are stormed by the most beautiful girls i have ever seen. never made it to the 2nd floor though. why should i pay for something i have downstairs? had 3 extraordinary hardcore nights with the girls, once 2 at once, and headed for a week to the famous angeles city. but what i saw i could not believe. i mean, if you know pattaya and have seen it, what the hell do you do in angeles city. it's basically one road (fields avenue) , maybe 3 or 4 kilometers long and nothing arround it. the second thing i didn't know was that there are only gogo bars. i like to sit in a bar, talk to the girls and select one rather than looking at nearly no motivated girls, swinging their sometimes fat hips. sorry boys but this is no bar hopping, this is gogo hopping.

after chosing a girl from butterfly rock for a week (looked like miss philippines but dead fish in bed, at least something for the eye) i headed to subic bay for another week. that's where the fun started for me. i had better gone there directly. beautiful girls. plenty of them. floating bars. great hotels. fantastic time.

so in my point of view:

skip angeles.

go to pattaya for hardcore and fun.

or.

go to subic bay for sun and fun and gfe[/quote]whoever told you angeles was like pattaya was wrong! yes definitely not pattaya. yes subic is a good time, there are more bars than on fields and if those are the only bars you visited than you didn't get a good enough look to judge. in my opinion the girls in the pi are far more fun than the girls in thailand (i lived there to for a stint too). price is definitely cheaper than all of the places you have listed above and that is the draw for some people.

[QUOTE=Jorian; 1269362]PI, espc AC girls are experts are playing part of jealous gf. They have always managed to make me feel guilty for bf'ing another girl even tho I may have only Bf her once / twice. Kind of strange when you know they fuck different guys everyday to Sunday when you are not here. I had one ready to quit the whole bar scene and leave AC with me to wherever I go. Even tells me she doesn't get BF anymore (only dance) and SKYPE / cam me every night after her shift as if. Took me a few weeks at home to get over her. Still trying to figure out how to 'avoid' her next time I'm in town as this place, I swear, is full of spies. I was just walking down Fields last time with her, she knows every other bar-girls outside pulling customer in. If not her sister, then one of her girlfriends used to work at same bar. I could be walking alone and occasionally her friends would remember me with a wink / smile even ask me where's my girl?

I think solution is just be honest with them. Say your a butterfly that would love to see her again, but also love to see others. I think the hot ones have no problem with these guilt trips because they know they can get Bf every night. But then my jealous girl is hot too come to think about it. But there are hotter ones I'm after.[/QUOTE]The only way to deal with jealous filippinas is in my excpierance is to tell them that you are a butterfly and you are not looking for girlfriend I always now tell them that this is the deal when I barfine them if we get along they can stay with me for no longer then 3 days so you don't get attached to them and I also tell them if they stay other girls will share the bed this works for me now they know were they stand.

Happy hunting

Just got back from an AC trip. Did the bar stuff. However, I also visted the above streets. Since I have not seen any postings here recently regarding Raymond and A. Santos streets, here is some info.

Raymond Street: Orchid Inn is located on this street. The cross street is Real Street (where Tropix Bar is located). Approximately 4 little open air bars here towards the back of the street on the right hand side. BBBJ is their claim to fame wihch includes sex for 700 for ST (one pop) which is 2 hours. Some of the bars open 24 hours. Can bang the girl in the rooms above the bar or take the girl back to your hotel. Nice change of pace from the go go bars. These girls are basic girls, not that pretty, but nice, and give good BBBJs and sex with condom. A word about looks. These girls are not ugly. As for me, since I am in my 50s, any Filipina that is between 18 and 23 looks good to me if she is nice and sweet. However, u can decide if these girls are your cup of tea. I like to sit and talk to the girls. But, they will quickly get to the point of wanting you to F them. LT is around 1200 to 1400 for 12 hours at your hotel (two pops,or more depending on the girl). For the price, it is not a bad deal. Most of the girls range in age from 18 to late 20s.

A. Santos Street: This street is the same street as Swiss Chalet Hotel. Pricing is the same as Raymond Street. Bars stay open late, but I do not think it is 24 hours. As for me, I like this street better. Only because I have had lots of fun with the girls from this street. But, try both streets for yourself and make your own judgement.

Tip: Tip is not required or expected. One girl gave me a wonderful BBBJ along with rough sex. She earned her tip and I gave her 200P tip. But, do not tip more than 200, even 100p is ok, or u do not need to give anything. One girl told me the split is 60 40, with 60% going to the bar.

For the price, you can take 2 girls for 1400 and bang them both in your room. Still a dam good price for 2 girls. If you are a big spender, take 3 for 12 hours and have a party. For the price of one girl at the high end bars at 3000, you could have 4 girls for 2 hours. Yes, these girls will be happy to all go with you at the same time. A. Santos street is often called BJ Row. I like both streets because the girls get right to the BBBJ when you get back to your room, then on to sex with a condom. They know guys come to these streets for the the girls BJ skills. With the go go bars, some girls do not like to do BBBJ. When you pick a girl from the A. Santos or Raymond, tell her you want a good long BBBJ and is she willing to be nice and do that for you. Screen your girl to see if she will be a good ST or LT date. But at 700, it is ok with me if it does not turn out great.

In AC, it is all about pricing based on looks of the girl. At the high end bars like DH, girls go for 3000 and the girls look better. DH also have girls for 1800 that like nice, but not as pretty as the higher priced girls. At A. Santos, the girls are not pretty and therefore go for 700. As for me, I like the 700 priced girls, they are more down to earth, they do not think they are cute and they tend to treat u nice if u are nice to them. I have been going to AC for about 15 years. When I was young and horny, many many years ago, I met a girl on A. Santos street and we really were a nice pair. We were in love -- for the time I was in AC. I paid to be with her for my entire time in AC which was 6 days. On the first day, it was sex with a condom. But after that, it was sex 3 or 4 times a day with no condom and cumming in her pussy and mouth. Now that I am older, I always use a condom and I would never take a risk like that now. Some of these girls will have sex with no condom for extra cash or if they like u. My advice, use a condom. These girls give BBBJ and CIM sometimes,and they may be having sex with other guys with no condom. Better to tbe safe then sorry.

I took so pics of A. Santos, I will try to post them here. For some reason, I am not able to post the pics now using this website.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1271654]Snip.

Some of these girls will have sex with no condom for extra cash or if they like you. My advice, use a condom. These girls give BBBJ and CIM sometimes, and they may be having sex with other guys with no condom. Better to tbe safe then sorry.[/QUOTE]Have had easily 100-200 girls in AC, and at least 50 from Santos. Only 3 ever mentioned a condom, and only one insisted on it. They have never mentioned to me charging extra for condom-less; in fact they just never mention it. I don't use them. I've jizzed in every orifice of many Santos girls, never to be asked for extra pay or a tip. The proof that they are fine with that? Most want a repeat, and they like bringing another girl along for the exact same treatment.

A Santos road and Raymond st: [url]http://g.co/maps/4g3wt[/url]

Was once in AC, next trip definately will be visiting the said bars, not much into the barfine. [b]Undercoverh[/b] Report has been sent to ROD.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1271782]Have had easily 100-200 girls in AC, and at least 50 from Santos. Only 3 ever mentioned a condom, and only one insisted on it.[/QUOTE]On my last two trips to AC, within the last year, I had about 12 girls combined. I think 4 mentioned "condom" before sex was about to take place. One girl even wanted condom for blow job also.

I was shocked at the increase in frequency I heard the girls say "condom" while in lying in bed naked. I couldn't believe I was in AC!

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1271782]Have had easily 100-200 girls in AC, and at least 50 from Santos. Only 3 ever mentioned a condom, and only one insisted on it. They have never mentioned to me charging extra for condom-less; in fact they just never mention it. I don't use them. I've jizzed in every orifice of many Santos girls, never to be asked for extra pay or a tip. The proof that they are fine with that? Most want a repeat, and they like bringing another girl along for the exact same treatment.[/QUOTE]Reckless boasting makes absolutely no sense at all. Doesn't matter if it's true or not.

Went to AC for a week and had a lot of fun.

A few things things: I went to the Miss Magic Bar on Parameter. I got a bottle of Tequila, and agreed 1, 100. I didn't mind who drank it. OK, when the bill came it was 6, 000. I asked "WTF?" and was told that I paid 1, 100 for the bottle PLUS 70 per shot that a girl took from it (LD surcharge). I took the girl with her boobs out for a good time, but was pissed about the tequila price. The other negative I found, if you take the girls for food, drink, singing or anything pre sex, they say that they are tired and try shit on. I found it was best to bar fine, hotel for sex, then try bar hopping or whatever (often the girl is happy to sleep after sex). All the girls I met were upfront about "cherry" or "mens", and none drank more than 2 LD.

If you can't find pussy in AC you are screwed, but I will give my favorite a mention. Irene (yellow T) at D'club (near Jollybee at the end of Fields). Nice girl, GREAT massage, she actually knew what she was doing, and great pre sex (a good massage is something that I loved about Thailand).

All in all I had a great time, and recommend to anyone who hasn't been.

[QUOTE=GosiwonBusan; 1271803]Went to AC for a week and had a lot of fun.

A few things things: I went to the Miss Magic Bar on Parameter. I got a bottle of Tequila, and agreed 1, 100. I didn't mind who drank it. OK, when the bill came it was 6, 000. I asked "WTF?" and was told that I paid 1, 100 for the bottle PLUS 70 per shot that a girl took from it (LD surcharge).[/QUOTE]I hate when bars do that. How many shots did they get out of that bottle LOL 50? You were ripped off big time and you should have said something. 70 peso is steep for LD drink when you have bought a bottle, usually 40-50 is what FIELDS AVE bars charge. Another bar people should be careful that constantly overcharges is golden nile (the one next to Cambodia). Its owned by the same group as Cambodia so if you take out a girl from cambo she can still get ladies drinks there so be careful

[QUOTE=Socker;1271800]Reckless boasting makes absolutely no sense at all. Doesn't matter if it's true or not.[/QUOTE]Apology, I wasn't boasting. Like Amjek, I was stating that I rarely have girls mentioning a condom. They rarely do (just like indonesia). I make no claim that others should practice what I preach. To each his own.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1271799]On my last two trips to AC, within the last year, I had about 12 girls combined. I think 4 mentioned "condom" before sex was about to take place. One girl even wanted condom for blow job also.

I was shocked at the increase in frequency I heard the girls say "condom" while in lying in bed naked. I couldn't believe I was in AC![/QUOTE]

Quick post before I go back to "lurking".

When I go into a bar if a girl looks at me, I go straight to the dance floor and talk before the mamasan can ask if I want a drink. You can get a feel for a girl before buying the LD (my opinion. Discuss).

So I went to Crystal Palace and met Nal (she has a tattoo on her back that says "BLOODS", you will recognised her). Took her home early, maybe 10. 30 (if you get a dud its best to know sooner rather than later). Sex on the bed, OK. Then we went for a shower, I put her on the sink and went for round two. Looked down and saw her squirting. I asked if that happened often, she said yes. Back to the bed for round 3. She orgasmed. Not porn star loud, but last for a few minutes. While we are paying for sex it is nice to see the girl enjoy herself, and it feels good.

Only note, she has a child who lives in AC so she goes home about 12, which was not a problem, she woke me up early (8am) for a few more rounds.

I look forward to returning to AC soon.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1271818]I hate when bars do that. How many shots did they get out of that bottle LOL 50? You were ripped off big time and you should have said something. 70 peso is steep for LD drink when you have bought a bottle, usually 40-50 is what FIELDS AVE bars charge. Another bar people should be careful that constantly overcharges is golden nile (the one next to Cambodia). Its owned by the same group as Cambodia so if you take out a girl from cambo she can still get ladies drinks there so be careful[/QUOTE]Yea, I hate Golden Nile. The mamasans always ask for tips (for what, I have no idea)? And the waitresses complain if I leave a 50 peso tip for 2 drinks.

On my last trip back to AC, last month, most of the clubs I went to do not have very pretty Filipinas. Therefore, I have a simple question. I would like to know the guys vote for the AC club that has the best looking Filipinas and the youngest girls? I went to Tropix, found one cute girl, but she had 3 kids. WTF. 3 kids, and she cost 1, 800. Is it just me, but a woman with 3 kids should not be priced at 1, 800. I went to Crystal Palace, and the price for the green tags is 3, 000. However, for 3, 000, they were not that cute. Maybe it was just the night I went on. Or, maybe the good looking ones had already left. Any advice or suggestions would be helpful. I will be going back to AC in 3 months.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1272486]WTF. 3 kids, and she cost 1, 800. Is it just me, but a woman with 3 kids should not be priced at 1, 800.[/QUOTE]No it's not just you. I wouldn't pay to fuck a mother! The sad thing is that many guys do pay for mother sex, that's why she is priced as such.

[QUOTE=King Squared;1272289]Yea, I hate Golden Nile. The mamasans always ask for tips (for what, I have no idea)? And the waitresses complain if I leave a 50 peso tip for 2 drinks.[/QUOTE]The managers a CT also

I'm not sure what you mean by "mother sex", but I suspect most of the posters here have had sex with someone's mother. Why is it "sad"? I prefer slim types so I often shortlist mothers, but I've had some great sex with gals who've done the mother thing. More than a few on my regular list.

I've barfined a nice tight looking bar girl and found out she's a mother of three. I have three reasons why I never barfined her again: 1 / smoked 2 / wasn't as GFE after the first round ended 3 / alcohol problems. Had nothing to do with her otherhood. (that was a typo, but I like it) Damn shame because she sure knew how to get naughty.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1272491]No it's not just you. I wouldn't pay to fuck a mother! The sad thing is that many guys do pay for mother sex, that's why she is priced as such.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88; 1262877]I also use my visa card and book online with cebu pacific without any trouble. The verified by visa extra password is the key. I do inform visa of my plans for international travel and fill in the security department on the info, I often book cebu pacific flights in advance of informing visa.

Only trouble I have had with cebu pacific is getting them to change flights after booking or trying to book a limited super-promo fare when everyone in the Philippines is trying to book the same flight all at once. Best way is to visit a cebu pacific office and deal direct for any changes.

Be aware that when booking a Clark-Cebu flight or vice-versa with cebu pacific, there is a load factor indicator that dictates if that flight is a go or a no. If the seats sold number is under the break even point the flight is cancelled and you will routed through Manila and put on the next Manila-Cebu flight and that can suck.[/QUOTE]I had the same problem with my BKK. Clark flight being cancelled at the last moment. Luckily I was still able to get on the BKK. Manila flight and Cebu. Pac. Provided the other effected passengers with a mini bus to Pampanga.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1272486]On my last trip back to AC, last month, most of the clubs I went to do not have very pretty Filipinas. Therefore, I have a simple question. I would like to know the guys vote for the AC club that has the best looking Filipinas and the youngest girls? I went to Tropix, found one cute girl, but she had 3 kids. WTF. 3 kids, and she cost 1, 800. Is it just me, but a woman with 3 kids should not be priced at 1, 800. I went to Crystal Palace, and the price for the green tags is 3, 000. However, for 3, 000, they were not that cute. Maybe it was just the night I went on. Or, maybe the good looking ones had already left. Any advice or suggestions would be helpful. I will be going back to AC in 3 months.[/QUOTE]Most bars have different types of girls that would appeal to different clients. You for instance are not into moms but others are. Some guys prefer big butts others spinners and so on. Best advice I can give you is try and find when shifts start in few bars and visit then before other punters have collected the girls that you may find appealing. I personally prefer to visit few bars get a drink in each look at the talent and if I find what I am looking for then I barfine. If its still early I visit my favorite bar (and this is based on music, atmosphere, price and plenty of other reasons not so much girl related) then go back to the hotel.

Nice Pic! Hope she'll still be there till August when I'll visit Angeles City.

[QUOTE=GosiwonBusan;1272135]So I went to Crystal Palace and met Nal (she has a tattoo on her back that says "BLOODS", you will recognised her).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dick Hertz;1261139]I would like to no if anyone can tell me the good and bad about flying into HKG and take Cebu Pacific or SEAir. I want to try it because I can get a good price into HKG and would get into AC around noon. What I need to know is do I need a visa for China if I only have a 3 hour layover. What are the seats like because I am bigger the chinnesse passangers they regularly fly and what is the baggage allowed on the flight because it is a three week trip. Also will it be a pain with the ticket counter, tranfer a new termanal or any other helpful info. I made the trip to MNL many time but that was when Korean Air had a morning flight that I could connect to. Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]HKG is a great place to fly into.

It will not be a problem as there are only 2 terminals.

You do not need a visa for Hong Kong even if you did leave the terminal, only if you enter China.

I wouldn't know anything about the seats as that depends upon the airline that you use. If you are using China air, then its the same as all the other carriers, as they use airbus.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1272491]No it's not just you. I wouldn't pay to fuck a mother! The sad thing is that many guys do pay for mother sex, that's why she is priced as such.[/QUOTE]Atleast this girl was honest. Girls only say they have kids if they have to fuck and go home.

On a couple of instances girls admitted loose pussy because they have a kid. They said no kids in the bar.

Me too hate to fuck girls with kids in AC. But from MBC in Manila very rarely you find a girl without kids.

Hi There,

Anyone have planned a trip to AC from 25 to 29 May 2012 or interested. I turned out to be alone as I was not able to get leave due to some customer engagements. So my friends will be there on 7 May 12. I have been there a few years back. Stayed in Blue Nile.

Please let me know if any one is interested, if not I have to be solo.

Rgds.

Richard

[QUOTE=Sammon;1273340]On a couple of instances girls admitted loose pussy because they have a kid. They said no kids in the bar.[/QUOTE]I've returned girls to the bar and got my money back because they lied about not having a kid. So, for those guys who don't like mothers, you can get your money back if she lies to you.

Young looking 40 something american. In shape and attractive. No problem attracting ladies.

Experienced monger, angeles virgin. Looking for a wingman to hang with and maybe show me around a little.

Respond here or text me at [blue][Telephone Number deleted by Admin][/blue].

Thanks,

John

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Hello my fellow mongers, I will be in Angeles this Sunday for about 13 days.

And will post some reports hopefully as I go about.

If there is anyone there hit me up.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1273527]I've returned girls to the bar and got my money back because they lied about not having a kid. So, for those guys who don't like mothers, you can get your money back if she lies to you.[/QUOTE]How did you find out that girl had kids? I assume because she told you? With asian girls it is difficult to find out if they have kids or not because they are slim and they have small breasts. With African girls you can just have a look for breasts and you know if they have kids or not. Her tummy had marks of kids?

Next time this same girl will sweare that she has no kids, so she will have no problems with customer. Loose pussy is relative thing, some girls are more tigh and some are loose, you cannot use that as prove that girl has kids.

Most of the girls in all countries in this profession are working because they have to support their kid because asshole father has left and is not supporting.

So it is mostly young mothers and her kid (s) that we are supporting with our small contribution for their small service. So we mongerers are actually good guys

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1273527]I've returned girls to the bar and got my money back because they lied about not having a kid. So, for those guys who don't like mothers, you can get your money back if she lies to you.[/QUOTE]As you should have. One of the great mysteries in this life is why, why would someone pay to have sex with a girl / women who has a child or children, caesarian or otherwise.

[QUOTE=Leblon;1274138]How did you find out that girl had kids? I assume because she told you?[/QUOTE]When you get back to the room, just say to her: "Tell me about your kids." About half the girls from the bars who said (in the bar) that she has no kids will just start telling you about her son or daughter. Its like they forgot that they said they had no kids 20 minutes prior. If you don't like mommies, thats the time to take her back.

What's the going rate now days in Angeles for ST and LT? It's been like 3 years since the last time I've been in Angeles and I think I should make a return trip soon.

From my home board, posted two months ago there, sorry this is so late.

Well, I started off with the best intentions of writing a very detailed trip report as I went along, but really only did that for a few days. So, what you get here is a bit of that writing, plus some after the fact analysis. I will intersperse the onsite reports as appropriate, but will provide a general sense of the scene and what I thought of mongering in the PI in general.

I always like to start my trip report off with the punchline, and I can say that from the perspective of sex and my time with the women, this was by far my best 'first' trip ever. Better than my first time in CR, MDE, Pattaya, Peru- best first trip ever. Of course, repeat trips can get better as you have developed favorites with whom things become almost magical over time (although these always have shorter shelf lives than we wish). But from the perspective of the propotion of indiviual session with extremly good looking women who are a fantastic blend of PSE / GFE, it would be hard to beat the PI, at least from my perspective.

Two weeks was enough for a taste, but far not long enough.

So, lets start with some basics. First, I was shocked, floored, blown away at how sexy and beutiful the women were. Now, that is not ALL the women, not by any means. The bottom half of women in the bars and on the street are very unattractive to me. I would say than 30 percent are cute. Ten percent are phucking hot, and ten percent are off the phucking charts sexy. I was with four or five women each of which were close to my physical ideals. The great thing is, there is enough diversity of looks and body type that almost anyone can be happy. I tended to go with the 'fat girls, ' or the girls who thought they were fat. These were the women who were perhaps 5 feet tall and mabye weight 100 pounds instead of being 80 pounds- really porkers. I would say the heaviest girl I was with was perhaps 125 puonds, and she was about five four, and had natural near D cups.

As far as faces- there is a huge variety of looks-this is a very diverse gene pool. One chica I took bar finded in Anegles looked like she was perhaps twenty five percent Asain and the rest Irish. Her skin was nearlly as white as mine, creamy and delicous. Another girl from one of the provences was one of the darkest girls I have ever seen, skin so black it nearllly shinned, and the most amazing lips. That is what stood out for me, the most amazing sexy lips.

Now, lets talk personalities. I have travled a great deal throughout the world, and prior to my mongering days dated a great deal, and dated a couple of Filipinas back in the day. I always had wondererful memories of how each of these girls were just so fun, silly, passionate, goofy, ect. And the women I encountered in the PI did not disapoint- more than anywhere I have travelved, more than any group of people I have encounted, I enjoyed the women more than any others. This was not just the working girls, but those whom I encountered while working (part of the trip) , in hotels, reteraunts, salons, offices, ect. Just the most delightful group of women I have ever encounted. I was blown away. In many ways, they are the anti Paisas (whom I also love). There is little overtly dignified, there are few pretences, they are more Barney than Bardoux, but somehow the whole comes across with such a deep sense of grace and humanity (which says something when about 18 that I encounted engaged in major ball licking and C*m slurping!).

Ok. So now lets talk venues. I hit three, Angeles, Subic / Barrio Barretto, and Manila. Lets start with Angeles City, or AC, which those of you who want to come for mongering only will proably want to focus on. Now, let me tell you something about me. I like San Jose Costa Rica. I think people who call it a pit are those who have not really done much besides mongering. San Jose has a ton of cultural activities, IF you look for them and if you are fluent. There is jazz, poetry, art. There are lectures, there are the universities-there are the markets- THERE IS CULTURE. It is not a pit, but certainly may seem so if you are a lover of the American suburb and mini mall. I like gritt, I like funk. I like the market slums of Tegucigalpa. I have spent countless hours in poor barios in Mexico City. I love the seedier parts of Lima. So, it is with this in mind that I say to you.

Angeles City is a pit. It is perhaps the ugliest city on the planet, a place so dark and hideous that it is near unfathnomble.

And, it might just be the most amazing place on the planet for pleasures of the flesh. There are god knows how many dozens of bars, the vast majoirty located on a long street called Fields, or an extention of it called Paremeter. Within a five or so block area there are perhaps fifty clubs, with women ranging in age from 18-40 or so, with the vast majority between 18-25. Most of these are go go bars, with between perhaps 15 and 100 women. Some are small and funky, especially down Peremeter road, some are glitzy and 'pro. ' There are three tipes of women in these clubs (basically, there are other roles as well, such as mamasan, but three types of women that you can take out and Phuck) , door girls, waitresses and dancers. All are on the menu, but NONE are on the menu. That is, each CAN go home with you, but NONE have to. That is the beuaty of the place- a girl is allowed to refuse you, and there are reasons why she may. She may be on the rag, she may not feel good, she may think your nasty and smelly, she may be a cherry girl (a virgin) who does not go home with guys or may just go home and orally copulate them. So, while 90 percent of the girls will go with you at any given time, the fact that ten percent may not actaully spices things up a bit- at least for me.

What is also different is that you do not pay the girl directly, but the bar. This is what is called the EWR or Early Work Release. Come on, you got ot love that. An Early Work Replease is paid to the club to buy the girl's time out, as when she is with you she will not be making money for the bar in ladies drinks, or will not be preforming her other functions (I. E. Waitress or door girl). You are under no obligation to pay the girl anything, but tipping is common for good service. EWR range from (and this if for LONG TIME, or All night, if that is what you clear with the girl, some can stay and some cannot) 28 bucks. 46 bucks, with a few crazy places charging over 70 bucks for their best girls (although I did not find these better looking than the other girls, go figure).

More to come later.

Here is one of the entries that I actually wrote while I was 'on the ground. ' There are about four of them, and I will include them as I go along with my report / description of the place.

Dinner at a local Korean restaurant. The food is good, but service is slow. Koreans hold a special place in this town, special in their influence, and special in the acramony that many of the women and staff have toward them. Many of the girls find them hard, difficult, and less than pleasurable. What is fansicnating is how different, nearly diametrically opposed, are Korean and Pinoy culture- its an amazing thing to watch them together, more Venus and Mars than most male / female parings. But I digress.

After dinner, a stroll down Fields. It is Saturday night, so the place is rocking. For those of you who have never been to a mongering venue with tons of place side by side (I. E. Pattaya, BKK, Amsterdam, Frankfurt red light) , it is really an intense expereiince. Picture the first time you are in the DR, that feeling of 'oh my God, I made it! '- it is like that, but perhaps maybe more intense. Some people would say it is like that times 100, but it is just different. The sheer magnitude makes it not 'better' but different- I mean, how many women can be be with at one time (five is the max for me, and that was in Costa Rica at the old Dungeon!). The sheer numbers of venues in a place like this can lead to a sense of overload- but what a total rush, feeling of power, feeling of total libertry and choice- it is almost too much.

Anyhow, I walk up and down the Walking street area of Fields three or four times, just to take in the vibe. It is the job of the door girls, many of whom are very good looking, to lure you inside. Each place has their own standard uniform, or in the case of 'Tight Jeans' or 'Texas', a generic code that guides dress (I. E. Cowboy hats and western wear in Texas). Its very cute. The door girls hollar out at you 'Voodoo sir' or 'Come into Forbidden City. ' Come into Forbiddn city indeed!

About the four passes through, I am stopped in my tracks in front of the wonderfully names 'One Eyed Wench (I mean, who can resist that name, and who amoung you has not wanted to Phuck a one eyed wench?). What is it that has locked my feet into the ground and pulled my eyes toward it as if god has appeared in front of me? A perfect, perfect 10. I mean, to me, a 10 is not something you just throw around as a rating. To me, supermodel hot is a 9- a 10 is that hot with just something extra, some deep and profound sensuality that transends the looks. Well, there she is, a door girl in a tight par of jeans with a perfect little ass, B / C cup, flat, flat stomach, but enough muscule tone that gives look of your yummy gym rat- pefrect. The face is out of this world. I almost never just go with a girl on looks alone- I have to feel a chemistry. But, I am phucking this one even if she is the most sour.ussed ***** in the world, even if she is the emodiment of money grubbing skank. For the 1500 paso EWR (34 bucks) , even if she terms out to be a frigid matress bag I will see god ever second while inside her.

I walk up to her, and she is better looking up close- OMFG. Within a minute, we are in the bar, I buy her a lady drink. For the next fifteen minutes, she is sweet, playful, flirtatious, sexy. When she goes to the bathroom one of the watresses comes up to me and I tell her I want to bar fine her. The waitress tells me that I will have to ask her, that she does not bar fine that often. SHIT. Well, she is back, so I figure I better ask right away, cut my losses, and find some consolation prize to assuage my sadness over not being able to do this godess. So, I ask her- she throws her arms around me and kisses me passionatly. She starts to dirty dance for me- all the guys are now watching and shaking their heads- I can't believe I am going to Phuck this girl.

Fast forward- we are back in my room within a half hour. Her body is flawless. She is going down on me within five minutes, and her head is excellent, (with toungue ring) total PSE. Not as long as I would wish for, but total PSE. She kisses the whole time we Phuck. We Phuck, rest, Phuck again, and finally I finish in doggie. Cuddle, one more time in mish for about an hour- we are both covered in sweat. I am looking down at her, she is licking her lips like a porn star, but still kissing. Me between licks- am I really phucking this women! What a sight! Given that I am on V, I have to go as hard as I can to come, she has this wide eyed look and says to me 'You are breaking my pu*sy! ' Being the gentleman I am I start to slow down- she says, I sware to god 'It ok to break my pu*sy. Break my pu*sy! '

Needless to say, I did not last long after that.

She is supposed to stay the night, but after about four hours of this, she starts making hints about leaving. I forget what excuses she starts to give. This is what they call a 'runner'- a girl who says she will stay the night, but the starts to find reasons to leave. At this point, I don't care- she preformed masterfully, and while she is not the 'real' GFE type in her being all cuddly after the fact and wanting to stay the night, her performance was outstanding during the act (s) , and was totally everything I could have wanted. I could have argued and I am sure that she would stay, but I am happy to sleep alone and bask in the memories. She is the only one the whole trip that asked to leave in before the morning after negotiating for a morning departure. A few times I sent them home early, but that was on my terms. For fifty dollars, I C*m twice with with a perfect angel over several hours. If this is what a runner is here, than I am all for it.

(as a side note, I see her several times during the next few days. She kisses me passionatlly each time on the street, and promises to stay the night each time. She is 21 going on 19, a total colleague sophomore type, and is full of laughter and playfulness. She is a godess for sex and lust. For some reason, I do not go with her again, but that just tells you how amazing each session was). Oh, and I am not sure I ever really knew her name!

so what to write about angeles in general? well, there is very, very little to do except have sex. well, that or drink. if you are going to phuck 24/7, or drink and phuck the whole day, than there is little need to figure out what to do with your time. i like down time, unstructured time, and so time alone in a hotel room for me with 'nothing' to do is priceless. if downtime without a lot to do is not for you, and you are not a five time a day phuck machine or drunk- you may find it boring. there are a few things to do. for example, you can have a good massage either in one of the many massage joint for about 8 dollars, or for about 10 bucks delivered to your room. i had two hours of massages every day in my room. not as good as los, but not bad at all. i would say about half of the massage girls will do happy endings, although i only accepted once to save my super sauce for the cuties. then there is the mall. you can wander the mall and shop or people watch- it is a target rich envionrment if you want to go for non pros.

now, about freelancers in angeles. the general rue of thumb is avoid, avoid, avoid, epecicially one's walking the streets. there are many stories out there about rip offs and scams. girls who call friends to the room to rob you, und*ge girls, and other assorted problems. the general sense on some of the pi websites is that there are soo many clubs and bars that will hire a good looking (or average looking) women, that if she is on the street and working she is either ****d, drugged out, or a crook. the price of women in clubs is so cheap, the general wisdom is that it is just not worth it. there are two freelance discos- sky tracks and highsociety- went twice to each with women i ewr (again, barfine) , and saw some good looking women, but decided to heed the warnings. again, just so many bars with hot women in angeles i did not bother. both are fun places to dance, however, and if you are careful and interview well, i am sure you can find some good women.

so no, about the clubs. which ones did i go to? shit, i popped my head into perhaps 40 or so, some just to quickly walk through, but i had a drink at most (about half the time a coke light or pinaapple juce, sometimes a san miquel, and sometimes a mixed drink). i like a couple of drinks a night, but am not a huge drinker each and every night. drinks for you range from happy hour specials of a buck or so to a couple of bucks. think about it, you can nurse your beer for a good long time while watching dancers what you can take home whenever you wish- not bad.

when you feel like some company, you merelly call over one of the women and offer her a lady drink. lady drinks run from about 3-4 bucks and get you some private time with the hotie of your choice. again, remmember, not only are the dancers often on the menu, but the waitresses and the door girls as well. women get a percentage of the lady drinks, and so it is one of the ways they make their living, so they are most appeciative of it. during your time with her, depending on the girl, you can touch her lightly or more than lighly- use descrection and respect her bounderies; a few girls made it clear they were very happy for me to be toucy and for us to make out, others were not comfortable with pda. don't be a pig; if the women is not into pda, wait to get to the bedroom. there are plenty of more hard core girls who are willing to be gropped and foundled if that is your thing in the bar.

now, not only will you initiate lady drinks, but you will be approached by those who want you to buy them drinks. this varies greatly by bar. for instance, in forbidden city, you are constantly bothered for ladies drinks by women who will try to get to know you. in other bars, such as the small and fun texas or the larger and high quality camelot, you will be left alone a bit more.

which are the best clubs? who phucking knows! it depends on the vibe of the day, the night, the week, your mood, ect. you will find your own groove. i loved ponytails, the first bar that is considered 'permimter' but still very close to fields. i also liked one eyed wench, texas and aloha. however, once i barfined from one place, i often would not return as to make sure i have fresh meet.

the exception of this was one place on blow row (i forget the name, but the first one walking down from fields on the right side) where i barfined the same daytime girl three times (one of the greatest blowjobs i have ever had, omg). this is one of the few palces where you can get a women shortime, which is two hours, for 20 bucks, or longtime for about 32. in case you go, her name is irah some something like that (sounded like ira, and not, she was not a lady boy). cute women, great blowjob, and very good phuck. sweet girl too, one day we phucked few times over a mellow afternoon that i had her for longtime.

as far as hotels, i stayed in the royal amsterdam, in one of their larger rooms. it was 60 bucks for a very nice room with an excellent bed. i would reccomend you spend a bit more money on a room than you might in a place with lots to do during the day- these rooms are about on par with the better rooms at the la amistad-worked well for me. there are a few high end places and lots of places down peremeter for under 20 plus bucks.

food- those who disparage the food don't learn it, or eat shit food in gringo places. philipino food is one of the great culanary traditions of the world. i have loved it for years, and find it silly to read follks here and on other boards talk about cat and dog. some of the sauses are as sophisticated and wonderful as anythig east of paris or peru. you can get wonderful cheap meals of high quality cooked with love for under 3 dollars at the many mom and pop places in town. near the bus station there are a bunch. research the food before you go, learn the names, and yes, you can easily recongize the meats (pork and fish are huge) , and yes, there is a lot more than adobo. as good as thai food (which i love!) , mabye, mabye not. but do some reading and you will be rewarded.

in town, there are also plenty of gringo places to get a burrito or burger- i had none. lots of palces for 24 hour food, including phillys sports bar for breakfasts. if korean or japanese food is your thing, there are several good places around town, as there are a lot of korean and japanese tourists (and business owners) in town. the korean place on the far end of fields is very good (right near texas and tight jeans).

sessions- omg, sessions are great. bbbj was always offered. most girls are pretty good, but there is some inexperience. however, even the two most inexperienced women i had took instructution very well. salad tossing was at about fourty percent without asking. 70 percent with. i don't know about bareback, but my sense is that you could do so if you wish, i think it is phucking nuts! kissing? yeah, no problem with ninety percent of the women. if it is important to you, ask her when you are discussing taking her, or ask her for a kiss. most of the women i went with were great kissers, as i said, i find pinoys to have the best lips ever.

positions- good overall cowboy. many have great little round asses for doggy. some of the smaller women don't take a hard pounding like i like to dish it out as well as girls with an 'extra' 10 pounds- part of why i don't like 'spinners. ' most of the women really got into phucking.

oh, funny, nearly one that spoke english worth a damn moaned 'shit' during hard phucking. very cute.

mongers- many, many down and out auzzies and former us service men. omg, a very washed up group, by and large. twenty years of hard booze and fast women phuck you up. lots of koreans in town- they tend to keep to themselves. the women complain about the mayla and indiana guys; whether true or not they say they smell badly and are disrespectful.

speaking of grooming- why do guys look their worst while mongering? i never get it. its like a lot of them try to be as rank as humanily possible and expect gfe. there girls do an amazing job at their job- if you saw some of the nasty fucks i saw you would be shocked at the prospect of giving them gfe.

that said, you can basically dress however you wish. shorts and tshirts are common. i am a jeans and dress shirt guy no matter where i monger- i don't give a phuck what you say, the women appeciate it, and i am more comfortable. if i feel like a sexy *****, i act like a sexy *****. that makes them sexy bitches- human phucking nature. money is your ticket to ride; the quality of the ride depends on you just as much as them.

they also were very appeciative of a good colonge and good hygene, as are all women.

laundry- laudry services are cheap.

ed meds. you cannot escape someone trying to sell you vitamin v or c. a good price is 100 pesos (2 and a half bucks) for a box of four. i had no problems with it, and most guys have said they have had no problem. whatever your conformtable with, you can't walk five minute without somone trying to sell you some. the boxes look legit, as do the pills and seals, but who phucking knows.

to be continued.

Subic, first of all, is the name of a Bay, and the former name of a military instillation. The real town, or town nearby, is Olongapo, which is also the name of the provence (I think). The actual mongering area is called Barrio Barretto- more on this soon. Getting to the Barrio Barretto and the hotels by the beach, which is atually called Baloy beach, is easy. There are several shuttles that go from Angeles from between 12 and 15 bucks. Since I booked a room at Kokomos on Baloy beach, I took a shuttle I booked through the AC Kokomos. Kokomos AC is basically accorss the street from the Royal Amsterdam, so easy breezy.

BTW, I am not sure I provided a strong enough reccomendation for the Royal Amsterdam. I found the staff wonderful- professional, accomidating, and fun. And, the women that work the front counter mostly are very cute, and never blinked or treated me differently when I brought assorted hookers all hour of day or night. Always a plesent smile and responded to any quest or need.

On the van ride over to Subic, I rode with a group over other mongers, once of whom I would hang out with some in Manila.

You have basically two 'places' to stay- Baloy Beach or right in Barrio Barreto. To get to the bars from Baloy, you can walk during the day in about 15-20 minutes to the start of the row, or take a trike for a buck. Most people think that it is safe to walk during the night, but my gut said to take the trike. The advantage of Baloy is that it is one the bay / beach- while not world class, it is plesant, especially at sunset.

I stayed at Kokomos, which is right on the beach. I would not stay there again, as for 55 bucks, the rooms are overpriced. I stayed in one of the themed rooms facing the water- the Jungle Room. Picture plaster lions and tigers and leopord striped sheets covering a horrible bed and the least fung shway room in the world. Tons of hard edges to tear your skin on drunk or sober.

My first day I want to the 'floating bar' in front of the hotel's sister hotel, two doors down, Treasure Island. When you stay at Kokomos you can also use the TI pool-that is a good perk. The floating bar is more cool, to me, in theory than in practice. It is basically a barge bar that you get out to by guys pulling a platforem against the water. The talent, as I stated, on this one was the best of all the bars, but not great. Once there, you are sort of captive to a couple of dozen desperate working girls hoping you will buy them drinks (and they ask often) or barfine them. I had three attach themslelves too me, and after buying them a drink, I selected a cute not hot girl from the pack. Very girl next doorish, I barfined her at 6, went back for some early boom book, when bar hopping with her, and then back for a night of boom boom. Good sex, nothing to write home about. The next day, during the evening, would be different.

A local group here, known as the Son Of Baccus, holds a weekly dance contest on Friday evening. Teams from 8 of the local strip clubs compete. This week, the contest is at lLps. The entrenece fee for guys is 12 bucks, not bad considering that it is all you can drink and there was some food provided. All you can drink is usually wasted on me, but its not like it breaks the bank.

The place is packed, mongers and teams of Filipinas in various uniforms and costumes from representing their bars in the competition. The girls take this very, very seriously- not clear how much money is involvedf or them, but there was clearly a lot of pride on the line. They are in small groups in various corers and sides of the bar practicing their dance moves, getting feedback from each other. Not only are dancers that are competing there, but other dancers to cheer them on (and of course, to try to drum up future EWRs by their presence. I decide to shoot a few games of pool of a very cute LIPs waitress, and am shocked that I am not shooting poorly, given that I was having a hard tome focusing with all these groups of dancers prancing about.

Then, I saw her. OMFG, where did this one come from. Not near five feet, the most beutful near black eyes, and a very full C cup, and an ass that looks more Ipamema than Asian. I am in love. This is another near ten in my book- she is smiling with her friends, totally un-self concious, and abosoloutly perfect. Dangers legs and flat stomach- just enough muscle to make her look like a gym rate. I cannot stop looking at this one, in spite of a good hundred other women in the bar. Wow. So, I am staring far too much, and somehow, her friend (coworker) seems to think it is she that is the center of my gaze, so I am forced to retreat a bit and watch from afar.

Of course, I could have gone up to her and talk to her, but I think you get a really nice chance of seeing a women's personality when she is spending time with freinds / coworkers. My future love, Donna, is all smiles and laughs with her freinds, a good sign.

Fast forward, the competitoin begins. Really fun dance rutines, very energetic. This contrasts to to what you often get when the girls are just dancing on stage- often they just sort of do this zombie like sway that is more body snatchers than porn movie.

Then it is time for the Angel Witch dancers (love the name) , and Donna is on stage. I don't know what to say, other than I am hard as a rock during the whole thing, viagra hard, and have not had any for days. This girl knows how to move- shaker her ass and tits, paying careful attention to her dance moves while still eluding sexuality. I cannot stand it. I mean, there are mabye 20 other very good looking women in the room, but this one is just perfect to me. Clearly a provence girl, her skin tone is far darker than most African American women. She appears more Island than Aisan, if that make sense. Her eyes are more round- she appears Polynesian. Her lips are round and fun.

Above is the only part that I wrote while on site, but after she danced, I spoke to Donna for a about fifteen minutes before she went back to her bar. Terrible English, but not important. Again, another one I had to have. After a quick bite to eat, I went to barfine her, as I promised. Now, if you actaully follow through on a promise with these women, they are gratful. They get so many 'bolo bolo' (lies) that when you actaully show your not a prick they are often grateful. I spent two nights with Donna, and she was just fantastic. Sex four hours, which while not mindblowing, very very good, and totally GFE sweet and fun. Between rounds, she cuddle up on my chest and I just spent hours rubbing her skin. We would talk on the beach, Phuck some more, and I just could not get enough of this princess. Both nights she stayed until about 10am, leaving only upon my cue.

I only have four nights in Subic, so the last day I was not sure what I wanted to do my last day. Oh, before I forget, I ate most of my meals at a little local place on Baloy called Lucky Mikes. Lucky Mike's is a convenience store resteraunt, and the food is very, very good. All homecooked food that the family wants to eat themslves. Mike is a Filipino transplant from the Bay Area who came back to take over the family business. Mom is still there, as are several cousins, one of whom is very cute, and 'single and ready to mingle' for those of you looking for more. Do try a meal or two there- you won't be disapointed. Mike is also a straight up guy who is trust worthy with good info. If you need a longer term place to stay, he rents room or can give referrals.

My last night was odd. I was going to go back to see Donna, but actaully found myself back at Lips first for a drink. As soon as I started to eye the pool table, this total fox comes up and asks me to play. Now, this girl is not a 10. She is a phucking 11. She is my physical ideal, meaning she has an extra 10 pounds and is built more Latina than Asian. She is so phucking cute, and totally light skinned- she looks like the college freshman gymnast at a large Southern univeristy at putting on her freshman 15- pefect for me. All tits and ass, and a tommy that is flat execpt for the smallest amount of extra- I love it. We shoot, flirt, I buy her a drink. We dance together- she 'makes' me dance on stage to Shakira (I know, I know, leave it to the dancers, but this was on her instistance). The owner buys me a couple of drinks and her a lady drink- nice tough. All is perfect, I am in a sexual trance and have to have her. So, I pop the question-would you like to leave with me and stay until the morning. I can't. Ok. What time can you stay until? No, I can't, I have a boyfreind and I don't want to cheat on him.

Really? Phucking really? She won't Phuck around on her Auzzie sex tourist boyfriend. I try to convince her, offer her a large tip. Don't tempt me please, I love him, and don't want to ruin things. Phuck. Shit. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. Damn. Now, even if I could move her off of her most noble chastity, the mood is killed. I pay up and leave. I am forlorn. What am I going to do? Go home and sleep? I don't want anyone else! Beat off? Phuck.

Plan B- I will drink. I will drink to the point of flacidity, take someone back, come in their mouth and sleep. I will not Phuck, I will just C*m, kick someone out, and sleep.

Good plan. I go bar hopping, three or four bars, and then wind up in Bar Barreto (I think). There, a very cute women in her mid twenties chats me up. So is so sweet and cute, nothing foxy, just pleasent and fun. How long have you been in the bar? Two weeks.

Two weeks? I don't want two weeks, I want an experienced nasty C*ck sucker. I am not down for GFE, I want a working girl tonight (sorry this is not very nice, I was in a mood and then some). Maybe she is lying.

I find mamason and ask, without her nearby. Two weeks. Return to cutie.

How many men have you been with at the bar. None. No, really, you don't have to pretend with me. None. How many men have you been with in your life. One.

One. One. I want a working girl and have found a near Sandra Dee. I lose out on Mr. Perfect only to fine myself with a girl who will be more nerous than a church mouse.

Phuck. Shit. Damn.

But what a minute Hank, this is special. This is cool and fun. Can you flip your attitude and turn this into something good?

I shake off my mood. I would like to be your first man here, I would like to treat you very well, like my girlfriend, I will make it special for you.

She is thrilled. I have never seen such gratitude before. I mean, the sincere appeciation on her face was worth the 30 bucks for the EWR, regardless of how bad the sex would be.

Ok, no blow by blows her, but I had a great time. Had to really go slowly (well, did not have to, but wanted to be a nice guy). Not too nice, as once we got in bed the blow job, ball licking and yes salad tossing lessons began. What she did not pocess in skill she made up for in enthusiasm. The girl stayed on the nuts for a half hour or so. Sex was GFE and sweet, long and slow. I finished, and as agreed upon, she left at three so she could be home with her K*D in the morning.

So you see, all types of experinces are possible in the PI-as point and shoot as the sex is, there are often women who prior would never have immagined themslves working in bars. While there are certainly many hardcore hookers, many are just sweet local girls or those form the provences who want a better life for their K*ds.

So, my last night in Subic is with a near virgin- how often do you get that at the Del Rey!

I liked Subic- its mellow. Again, this is not the cultural mecca, but at least it is near Olongapo which is a real town to explore. After this, I go back to Angeles for three or four nights. Actually, which I spent more time in Subic.

Next trip.

More to come about Angeles, mabye some more thoughts on Subic, and then Manila.

Manila Intro.

Manila.

First, if you do not like megacities, stay the Phuck away. If Lima, Bogota, Mexico City, or Bangkok leave you frustrated and ill- stay the Phuck away. Manila is everything a megalopolis should and should not be. It is hell if you have no patience, are culturally imperialistic, thinking that everything should run the way it does in the US, or have no desire to get stuck in an hour plus traffic jam.

I dug Manila- a lot. I wish I had stayed a lot longer than three nights, and wish I had stayed in several parts of the city. Manila is like many mega cities, it is represents the darkest of the dark, and all the hope and hopelessness that humanity can offer.

Plus, there is some fine pu*sy in Manila.

But, it usually, not nearly as cheap as Subic or AC.

The first thing to know- the map lies. As least my interpretation of the scale of the city was way the hell off. On the map, it felt like I could stay in Ermita or Malati and easily make it to Makati in in moments, or perhaps even walk.

No way. No how, forget about it. Each of these are not an area, but an actual city in and of itself. Manila is not a city like Bogota or Lima, but really a conglomerate of small, independently administered cities. It is much more like Los Angeles this way than say Chicago.

It is big. Think 12 million people big. It is poor. It is poorer than poor. It is so poor that you can't even believe how poor it is in parts. I lived with a girl and her family in a poor barrio of Managua in the 1980s for a month; I mean, a shack, basically. I shit down a hole. I slept in a room with 10 people- I was in love, but this is not the point. I know poverty.

Shit man, this hit me. Blocks and blocks of shacks where they should not be, stacked up, one on top of the other. In Ermita, right near the Bay Cafe (big freelance bar, to be discussed later) , there were bodies all along several blocks. It felt like the body snatchers.

Contrast this to Greenbelt- trendy mall supreme. Amazing outdoor cafes and restaurants, perhaps the most lovely manicured walking area (man made) I have ever seen. Mesa, a Filipino fusion restaurant, was one of the better meals I have ever had. Gucci. Prada. High end stuff.

For a single guy looking for love, with patience and time? Please, one of the most target rich environments I have seen for love, sex, or anything in between.

And in this lovely spot is the Havana Cafe. Trendy Cuban Fusion spot outdoors. And what do they have here? Freelancers. I went twice, and there were perhaps twenty one night and thirty or so the other sipping mix drinks or beers (crappy mixed drinks, sadly) , making it very clear they are with the program. Ages are a bit older than the clubs, perhaps between 22 and 35. They 'look' fairly classy.

I was with a wingman who was showing me around. For about an hour, we flirted with a group of attractive women in their thirties who ranged from a 3 to an 8. I was tempted by the eight, who was elegant (in appearance) and a very lovely 35 year old. However, we had the Burgos street bars to do.

This is a place I long to return with one of my main traveling buddies- I can see us having lovely dinners each night at a different cafe, phucking our brains out with the affectionate lovelies, living the life of temporary urbanite sophistication of Makati. I felt like I was in the westside of LA, or perhaps Miami, except for the ubiquitous presence of poorly dressed fat men in shorts and crappy Hawaiian shirts or dirty t shirts (shit men, have some phucking self respect).

A note. As mentioned in the AC section, freelancers in the PIs come with risks. You MUST make sure they are over 18. You must make sure that you use your better judgment. You must make sure that she has an I'd and leaves it the reception of your hotel. You must watch for scams. You must trust your gut. And if it seems too good to be true, if she is promising you a freebie and she is out of your league- run.

Burgos Street.

After hanging out for a while at the Havana Cafe, we do a stroll around. In front of the outdoor part of the resteraunt, a bunch of women hang out looking for tricks. So, imagine it this way. Some women are drinking and paying for their drinks, others cannot. Which would you think to be the classier lot (and perhaps, more expensive?).

Bingo, inside has real women, outside is filled with laldyboys and some girls of dubious ages. Not only are you a suck Phucker if you mess with the young ones, but you are out of your mind- the scams here can lead to major police involvement- check ideas.

Anyhow, we stroll around, the far better looking WOMEN are on the outside patio. It is lovely area to walk around and hand, and now with the breeze it is almost pleseant.

Oh, did I mention the weather here? It is hot as ball. Or it is hot as perpetual sweaty balls. I must have showered three or four times a phucking day, and did four days worth of underwere and sock laundry each day. It is hot man, and the humidity is a killer. For me, this is the worst part of the PI- I hate this kind of phucking weather. Give me the cool wet mountains of Latin America anyday!

Ok, we jump in a cab, and off to Burgos Street, or the enternainment center on Padre Burgos Street, only a two dollar cab ride away.

Think of Burgos as a mini Angeles, but far more expneseive EWR and lady drinks. FAR more expenstive in most places, with a couple of decent places for reanonable prices.

First off, we hit Rougues, my buddy's favorite place. Favorite place for good reason, this is a great bar! Dancers that actually dance and have hot dancers bodies, tons of women on the menu mulling around, quality overall very high, pool table, and bets of all the EWR is only 1600 (33 bucks) , I am told. Now, the other difference here is that the women expect much higher tips than in AC. Also, while in AC the average lady drink price is just under 4 bucks, there it is 7 bucks. Buy a few and the money adds up quickly. Rougues is great, we hang for a while, and there are maybe ten women I could go with, three I would love to go with.

But we leave so he can show me around. We pop into about 15 places, have drinks in about three. Pretty dead (I think it was about 9 or 10 at night, I forget) , and on a Thusday night. He was shocked. Overall talent, very good, but EWR can be up to 4000 Pesos here, or 90 plus bucks! Now, that is not really a ton of money for a TLN with a total fox, but after AC, it FEELs like a shit load. Plus, with tip and a ladies drink, you are talking 120 bucks ish, which makes it a bit more of a cost if you are traveling for any length of time.

During our tour, of of the places we hit was Bottoms. Bottoms certainly was the tops, in terms of high end talent. Just some really foxy women. On the way out, I see this one that is just smoking hot, I mean, phucking A hot. A bit too much of a spinner for my tastes, but oh my god, what a face. I tell her she is best best looking women I have seen since I have been in Manila, and she blushes (it was real) and tells me I am Bula Bula (lying, or just full of shit). I tell her that it was true, and that to provide it, I would come back to have a drink with her within the next day or so to prove I was being honest (why that would logically prove it, I don't know, but she seemed to buy the internal logic of this sylogism).

More bar hoping, I have a dink in one place. Wingman sees a women he went with a year or so ago, wants to hang with her for a bit, but the places is VERY sharky and high pressured, so he suggests I meet him at Roughes (good idea). In the bar, I am stop two very hot dancers, and decide to buy one of them a drink (which one did not matter, they were both hot). We sat in a little both, and she has the best body, but up close, not a great face. Wingman comes, and we hang for a while. Now, I am really tired, but I also want to get laid. It is like 11 or so now, and I need to decide what to do.

Back to bottoms, and buy a drink for ms. Smoking hottie (forget her name). She rocks, kissing me, sweet, dirty dancing for me, takes a half hour to dirnk her ladies drink. The problem? One, she is one the rag, and two, I am tired and don't want to pay 100 plus bucks for a chica on the rag. So, I make her promise me to come over after work (5am) and sleep with me. She says she won't promise, but will try, but that if she does, she will 'suck me until I am near dead. ' Think that did not make me hard? I slip her my hotel card, say goodbye to wing, and after a bit more dirty dancing and her licking my neck and ear for a few minutes, I jump in a cab.

Now, I am thinking there is a 10 percent chance I am seeing once she gets off work. The ride to Emerita is 25 minutes even with no traffic, she will probably be dead tired, and if she is really one day two on the rag (she showed me her pad in her underware, nice touch!) , she must not be feeling great. So, I go back to the room, shower in case, and crash around 12:30.

Sure as shit. 5; 30 comes and there the phone rings- Ms. Perfect is here and the receptionist wants to know if she can come up?

Hmm, let me think about it. Phuck YES.

Cut to the chase, I open the door, and she pushes me to the bed. She immediatly starts giveing me a wicket toungue bath, finishing in a BBBJNQNS.

It is off the charts. We sleep, fool around, she gves me had again. Repeat. Order room service. Repeat. Finally he lets me Phuck her (thank god for throw away t shirts that I bring, one got a bit bloody). She is just so GFE and into it and for a short period of my life it is perfect and I am in love all over again.

5pm comes, and it is time for her to get ready to leave to work. She was fantastic. I have her 3000 for her nearly 12 hours of great loving (66 bucks) , and from her reaction, this was good enough.

Nap time. Will be going out again in a couple of hours, as it is Friday night in the big city.

More later.

What did I do on my second night in Manila? Aw, after a disco nap I caught a cab to the Greenbelt and hung out a bit. I could get used to this, hanging out watching and flirting with the freelancers at Cafe Havana and then flirting with the civilian women in the various shops and resteraunts. With ANY game and a bit of time, it would be so easy to pick up here.

After a great dinner at a fusion spot and a few fruity drinks, it is back to Burgos. I am supposed to leave with a young hottie from Rougues that I was talking to the night before. Problem is, once I am there, she shows up and is dressed like a cross between Ronald McDonald and Gumby- it is a total turn off, and her face is not as cute as I thought it had been.

Time to make a quick exit.

I am tired, I mean, really tired, but hell if I am not getting laid with two days left in the trip. So, back to Emerta (Phuck this traffic is rough) and to Hussy's bar.

Now, Hussy's is a sort of dive bar with women run by a Scotsman. The women range from 2 to 6. Two of the 6s flirt with me, and both are cute enough, and are giving me a good deal of positive vibe (they know how to turn the ATM on).

Have you two every worked together?

NOOOOO.

Do you want to work together?

What do we have do do?

Well, you have to pretend you are the momma cats, and I am your baby kitten. For several hours, you need to clean ever inch of my body with your tounge, and the massage me, clean me again, and if I am very happy, I will give a good tip in the morning.

(how do I come up with this shit- I am one twisted mother Phucker).

Note- when I do say such foolishness, I make sure to carefully look at the responses of my potential playmates, to see if they think I am wacked or if they are down with the program.

They were down with the program.

And down with the program they were. By the time they left at about 8 am, the only potentaily unliked part of my body were my toes (I am not that cruel that I would make anyone suck my nasty ass feet) , and I was three leches out and happier than a pig in shit. They kept asking me if I wanted to Phuck (boom boom) , but I told them that tonight there would only be licking. There was something about the hardness of my resolve and the playfulness of the game that seemed to turn them on, or at least got them into their roles enough that they really, really got into it. The highlight was a passionate double blow job where they let go a bit and started to make out over the head of my C*ck, both rubbing my nipples and balls. Life was very, very good indeed.

When they left, I ordered room service and contemplated the reality that his would be my last day in the PI.

My last day in the PI today. After some food, I work out of a bit. I should have mentioned earlier, I try to work out daily when I am traveling- tons of stretching, core training, body weight exercize. I try to see if I can bump up my fitness instead of lose it- given that I am phucking and walking all the time, some intense cardio / bodyweight / core training done together usually means I lost 5-10 pounds and increase my cardio while eating well and having fun. I am not at my fittest right now, but not too far off. Two trips ago I was starting to see some serious abs, and while the ladies may or may not give a shit, I felt great about myself- this lead to self confidence, being free and easy with my body, and totally unself conscious. It makes a huge diffence for me in how much I enjoy the pleasures of the flesh. This trip I was in good enough shape to feel good, but want to really push the working out for next summer.

Anyhow.

I want to leave and don't want to leave. I am ready to get home, on one hand, but the pleasure and fun have been so instense, I have so much enjoyed the freedom of only being responsible to my momentary whims of the flesh-I feel sad.

I also get this sense of dread when a trip ends, that somehow this will be the last one. This time I know I will have a few trips in the coming year to various places, so its not that bad.

Since it is my last day, I go down the street for two hours of massage- about 15 bucks. Good massuse, she does a good job of focusing on my legs. She starts to dittle with my dittle, but I step here as I am not in the mood for a hand job and she makes it clear that this is all that he is offering.

Shit, I am too tired right now to finish this. More later.

I am tired. Its my last day, and I am feeling decidedly unbummed out for a last day. Usually, the last day of a trip leaves me feeling sad, empty, longing, as if someone I will never be able to travel again, will never be able to break free form the grind of daily life and feast at the alter of 20something pu*sy and total freedom. Yeah, that is what mongering is. 20 something young pu*sy, freedom from the responsiblities of daily life, and the momentary ability to stop the clock and pretend that at some point I am not going to phucking die.

Sigh.

But I am in Manila, and I have to Phuck my last night. Yet, I don't want to go out and troll for pussy- I feel a bit too mellow. So, very late afternoon I read the Philippine Addicts board (just info for the PI) and read some reviews from there about an escort servcie,

I find the perfect little hottie that reviews say is off the hook. [url]http://www.makatiescorts.net/home/manil[/url]. /nica. Html.

Nica. Yes, half way across the world for another Nica. Price, wow, way phucking stepp. 4000 Pesos for two hours. I call up, arrange for three hours at 5, 000 pesos ($115) for three hours, my preferred amount of time. And damn, look at that picture- what a total hottie!

Now, this is well more than twice what I have paid the whole trip, and those were all LT. Yet, I won't have to pay ladies drinks, no other costs, and can just get some food, kick back, and Phuck.

Sometimes, it is just money and principle be damned.

But as the time comes closer, I get the urge to roam, so call up and cancel.

Go to a nice place and have Kare Kare (ox tail stew in peanut sauce- and don't know it until you try it, it is one of the great delicacies of the world).

Later, off the the shark tank, or the Bay Cafe (also called Manila Bay Cafe, but technically Bay Cafe- Manila, but whatever).

I don't think I like this place, as I mentioned. The constant annoyance from the hard core girls is a drag for me- I just like to kick back, be left the Phuck alone, and talk to the women of my chosing.

So, after the 20th "no thank you" and "I like to sit alone" (which Pinays usually find about as crazy as saying "no, I would rather be skull phucked by a rabid ape and drink bud light") I move to the corner and stand.

This helps. Soon, I see this very out of place looking women, maybe 20, dressed in jeans and a very conservative blouse. Very cute, innocent girl next door looking, and anxious looking as hell. I smile, she smiles. Soon, she walks by. We chat, and she soon says that it is her second time there. I tell her that I have heard this before. She thanks me for my time, and says it is her second time, and walks away, looking sad and defeated.

It becomes clear to me that she was being honest and that I offended her by basically calling her a lying working girl.

Know that that means boys?

Fresh meat.

Fast forward- I appologize and explain how that is a frequent line. She forgives me, and is a total dolly. Long story short (shit, why the hell am I "making a long story short after all this phucking blabber!) she agrees to come to my room for a few hours, how much I give her "up to me." Now, I don't care where I am, I don't like money issues totally unaddressed, so I tell her I will give her between 1, 000 and 2, 000 pesos, depending on how amazing the our time is.

Three hours later, she gets 2, 000 pesos (46 bucks) and I have gotten the shit phucked out of me. Actually, we phucked the shit out of each other.

Silly things she said."Now I know why my friends says forigners have sex like beasts!" (Loved that one)."what is it like to lick a women between her legs like that? For me it is very nice!" and after about an hour of cardio phucking "I think that my mommy would not approve if she saw me this way."

And I am leaving in the morning.

Sigh.

She leaves, as arranged. I always like my last night and morning alone, so I can go through my bags and make sure that any "memorabelia" (condoms, panties, ect) does not compromise the innocent (me) and make it into my bags, and make it clear that my "business" was not bagging 20 or so amazing young Pinay women.

Well, these were a sample of my sexual and non sexual experiences in the PI. As generous as you guys have been about the quality of the trip report, I really don't feel that I have painted a picture of what the experience was like. I loved this trip, as I said, it might have been my best first trip ever. It ranks up there with my favorite Lima trip, where Diablito, Smoothwind, K by M (what the Phuck is her new sceen name anyhow?) and SJO shared a magical time together, or my last trip to MDE, or a trip to SJO when consellation of my favorite wingmen lived and loved hard, fast, and fully. Than there was my Thailand trip.

But for a trip to be so amazing without having shared it with friends? That is a testimony to a place, to a people, to the women.

There is just something about these women, some silliness, some spirt of joy. For those of you who are tempted to say that it the desperation of very poor women and their ablity to be good actors? I say one thing.

Phuck you. You are clueless about human nature.

To those of you who will soon book a flight to seek and destroy what you will call LBFM (Little Brown Phuck Machines). Phuck you twice- I hate that term. No matter how long I play in this hobby, I will never get used to guys who have the need to be disrespectful at best, but frankly, mysogonist at worst. Fine, call me PC. Phuck you three times.

Of course they are playing a role I am paying them for. Of course they are having sex with me for money- but money gets you so far- to really get everything you can out of this hobby, you have to feel and be felt, you have to give a little bit of your heart without losing yourself. That is a powerful thing to be able to do, to let go without being swollowed up; it is why some fall in love and yet others have to degrade women or keep themslves totally distant- if they don't, they will wind up a puddle of man goo (not that man goo) somewhere in a very deperate and sad corner.

So, I felt touched. In spite of never really wifing up, as I am known to do for portions of trips, I felt touched. The key always is to let myself feel touched there and then be able to come home and fully live my life here, to keep touching those I truly love and not get lost in the allure of the hobby.

So far, so good. I have been a member of this board for nearly 8 years. While I have done pay for pu*sy prior to that, I never really mongered before.

I am better for it? Of course not. Am I worse for it? I hope not. Fortunatly, I have managed to compartmentalize my worlds. I do best when my head is here when I am here and there when I travel. I need to stop writing this trip report, back off of reading boards, and be in my life, my real life.

Very tangental ending to a very tangental trip report. I am sure there is more I could say, and maybe I will in response to other's comments, but lets call this the last official post, for those of you praying to god that I will stop.

So, closing thoughts?

Sure.

1) The PI has consistently the best p4p sex I have had- great GFE / PSE combo.

2) The women are far sexier and attractive than I would have thought.

3) Angeles is Sodom and Gommmorah- I suggest you go! Be prepared to love it, be prepared to find it horrid.

4) I like Pinays better than Thai girls, and I am sure it is not just about language. A few of my companions were from the provences and spoke less English than many Thai girls.

5) If you learn a bit about the food you will find it fantastic if you have adventuous eating tastes.

6) Subic is way underrated for p4p- one could easily spend most of their time there and pass on a lot of time in AC.

7) Manila is great for those who love big cities- far more expensive though.

Before I forget- I did not really go anywhere! There are so many places to see. I basically "did not get out of the gulch." Shame on me.

9) I will be back- wingman and I are thinking summer 2013.

10) As much as I loved it, I will still not join the Costa Rica sucks gang. It does not suck, but certainly there are other places that are better for sex and adventure, IMHO.

11) The better shape I am in, the better I take care of myself physically and emotionally, the better my trips are and the sex is. For those of you who don't get that and think that it is all about the money, I honestly feel sad for you, and I think you know you are lying to yourselves.

Thanks for those of you who provided me with great info prior to my trip, a sincere thank you. I hope this gives those who have never been a sense of what it is like. I feel beyond privledged to have been able to travel this way- only a very small percentage of the men on this planet have the means to do what we do- keep that in mind.

Keep on rocking in the free world.

Hank Daman, AKA Psychman.

Psychman:

Thank you for taking the time to reflect on your experiences and for sharing your insights. Taken together, these reports provide some colorful and interesting perceptions of Filipino culture, and some rich descriptions of the places you visited. Your Manila reports in particular provide excellent descriptions of the contrasts of the Metro Manila area; from the sophistication and Polish of Greenbelt to the appalling slums and poverty of Ermita. Though I can't agree with your assessment of the food-which remains bland, uninteresting and unappetizing for me-I do agree with everything else you've said and it's remarkable that you were able to deduce so much during two short weeks. I know many guys who haven't achieved that level of insight after having lived here for several years.

When and if you return, I suggest that you continue your exploration in areas other than Luzon. I think you would derive equal levels of enjoyment in various cities in Mindanao and perhaps in Cebu, all of which differ markedly from the places you have visited to date.

Thanks again.

GE

[QUOTE=Psychman; 1275281]I am tired. Its my last day, and I am feeling decidedly unbummed out for a last day. Usually, the last day of a trip leaves me feeling sad, empty, longing, as if someone I will never be able to travel again, will never be able to break free form the grind of daily life and feast at the alter of 20something pu*sy and total freedom. Yeah, that is what mongering is. 20 something young pu*sy, freedom from the responsiblities of daily life, and the momentary ability to stop the clock and pretend that at some point I am not going to phucking die.

Sigh.[/QUOTE]Don't we all feel this way, trip end. Appreciations of your perspective and sexperience Hank, you will hate the fact I too will soon be doing what a monger does next month. Good read.

Psychman:

I have been on this website for many years (long before it changed hands to the current owner). By far, your report is one of the best reports on the topic of PI. Thanks for taking the time to write it.

[QUOTE=YG365;1274860]What's the going rate now days in Angeles for ST and LT? It's been like 3 years since the last time I've been in Angeles and I think I should make a return trip soon.[/QUOTE]I was in AC 3 weeks ago and here are the rates:

Blow Row: ST, P700 for 2 hours (one pop). LT, P1, 200 to P1, 400 for 12 hours (multi-pops).

Fields Bars and near by side streets: P1, 500 small bars. P1, 800 to P3, 000 at the large bars (example, Atlantis). This is for ST, unless the girl really likes u and want to stay longer.

Bars at the far end of Fields Ave. (e.g., on Don Juico Ave.) Price range from P1, 000 to P1, 500. This is for ST, unless the girl really likes u and want to stay longer.
For LT rates at these bars, other guys may be able to provide input. I have never wanted any of these bar girls for LT. Thus, I have never asked about LT rates. Anyway, I have no desire to pay the big additional cost. After my pop, I am happy for them to go and I can do other things (e.g., rest, eat, bar hop, etc.).

For the bars that charge P3, 000 for the "green tag" girls, I did not see that these girls were worth the extra cost. Plus, they had the look of being type of girls who thought they were to cute to give a good BBBJ.

For me, the best value is Blow Row and the other street that is simlar to BR that is on the side of old Orchrd hotel. I like taking two girls at a time for 1, 400 (that is dirt cheap) for two hours, what a deal. The joy of double BBBJ is wonderful, and then you enjoyable sex with them. One day, I plan to take 3 for 12 hours and get a room with a hot tub big enough for 4, and feel like a porn king. Of course, these girls are not 10s. Most are 5 or 6s. But, sometimes you can find nice, sweet, young ones, just off the boat and new to the game. Their little pussy is still tight. If you get them going, they get really wet. Also, these girls tend to be very playful and easy to talk to.

In the bars, within 5 minutes, the girls ask u to buy them a drink. On Blow Row, within 5 minutes, the girls will be aksing u if u want a BJ. That is what I love about Blow Row, the girls get right to the point of wanting you to F them and their strong desire to suck your "D." For me, it is fun having several girls wanting the be the lucky one to suck my "D." Only in AC can I have this feeling. On one trip to the street next to old Orchid hotel, the girl kept telling me she wanted to suck my "D'" and she would do a very good job. I turned her down, since I had had sex early that day.Note, BJs and sex can be there at the room upstairs or in your hotel. I like taking the girls back to my room.

I normally have a policy of only taking the young ones. But the last time I was there, a new girl was there. She was 29 and a mother of 2. She stated it was her third day on the job. We talked for a while as she was holding my hand, I was getting hard. I was in the mood to "F" a mom, plus she was cute, slender, and sweet. I did not feel like walking back to my hotel with her, so we went up stairs to one of the rooms (no extra charge). She gave me a nice BBBJ and then I told her doggie style. While we were doing the doggie, I had her lay down as I was still on the back of her and inside of her. Wow, as she laid down flat, my "D" slide in deeper, and it was the best sex I had in a long time. As she moved her hips, I went deeper and she felt it too. I must say, her "P" was just right for me. My point of this story is, sometimes u may not find the best looking girls there, but sometiems u will find the best sex.

Think about it, you could have a 12 hour sex party with 3 young (over 18) girls for $100, that is dirt cheap by American standards. The key is to find 2 or 3 girls tha feel comfortable together. I will pick one girl, then tell her to pick any of her close friends. That way, they all know and like each other, which should make the sex party enjoyable. Also, I do not want to change condom everytime I have sex with the girls. Therefore, I will ask if that is ok with them before I pay the fee.
I have learned that is it better to ask this before u take 2 or more girls to your room. Once, I did not ask, and one of the girls wanted me to put on a new condom after I F the other girl. At a sex party, u are switching between the girls and F-ing them as u desire. To put on new condoms every 10 minutes or so kills the mood for me.

This is my new plan for AC, just get a nice hotel room with a big hot tub, and make my selections from blow row and fun in my room with 2 or 3 girls (with HD video and pics). I have been going to AC for the past 14 years, so I have done the bar club thing a ton of times. I am looking for something different. Taking 2 or 3 girls for 12 hours will allow me to take my time with them, have fun, play in the tub, eat (order room service) , watch TV, sex with them, lay in bed with 2 or 3 girls, rub their pussies, and other stuff. Dreams can come true in AC.

Hi frienda I am coming to Angeles City in June and will be there Four nights. I have made some friends in datein asia website. They say they are ready to come with me to my hotel. I want advice if it is risky to get them there and just stick to bar ladies or is it ok.

[QUOTE=Royalpardesi2001;1275687]Hi frienda I am coming to Angeles City in June and will be there Four nights. I have made some friends in datein asia website. They say they are ready to come with me to my hotel. I want advice if it is risky to get them there and just stick to bar ladies or is it ok.[/QUOTE]Chances are DIA girls are working at a bar too, so no worries.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1275674]For me, the best value is Blow Row and the other street that is simlar to BR that is on the side of old Orchrd hotel.[/QUOTE]Undercoverh. Blow Row, is this a nickname for a bar, series of bars or street name? Are you refering to SW's when you mention BR? A little clarification please.

It refers to Santos Ave. (or parts of Santos, since there has been so much change / development) which is perpendicular to Fields Ave. One of the largest and swankiest hotels, Wild Orchid is there. You walk out of WO and look around at the little bars. This is what remains of Blow row. They have some rooms on the premises where your tour guide will show you why it's called blow row. You can take her out too, she might like to watch tv in your hotel room. The guides vary in shape and size, but there are the diamonds in the rough. (Oh, Carla, I miss you.)

In most bars, you probably sit down, get a drink, find a girl that attracts you, buy her a drink and then who knows. On Santos, they put their hand on your family jewels, shine them up a bit, and then ask if you want shrt time.

Last time I was in AC I had a shapely BlwRow gal who was quite nice in personality and looks. Except for a really unfortunate mouth. Apparently, she was doing something about it since she had braces on her teeth. For some reason, I was oddly attracted to exploring her mouth / braces with my tongue. Yes, I know perfectly well what she may have had in her mouth earlier, but this is AC after all. X.

[QUOTE=Noddy;1275757]Undercoverh. Blow Row, is this a nickname for a bar, series of bars or street name? Are you refering to SW's when you mention BR? A little clarification please.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1275756]Chances are DIA girls are working at a bar too, so no worries.[/QUOTE]Semi agree, but they may also be freelancers, and in AC, the question becomes "why are they freelancing?" Of course there are good reasons (I. E. Want to only work part time) , but there are some more troublesome reasons as well (see my post below). Besides, while DIA might be important in places like Cebu or Daveo, where the scene is less massive (or in other areas) , in AC there are thousand of girls. Personally, I would prefer getting to know a girl before I select her, when possible, to assess the vibe and chemestry, but that is just me. In AC there are just too many easy options 24/7.

IMHO

[QUOTE=Royalpardesi2001;1275687]Hi frienda I am coming to Angeles City in June and will be there Four nights. I have made some friends in datein asia website. They say they are ready to come with me to my hotel. I want advice if it is risky to get them there and just stick to bar ladies or is it ok.[/QUOTE]For a first timer. [B]with ONLY 4 nights[/B]. DIA girls can be a Gamble. And you only have a short time. I would not waste a Half day or possibly a night waiting around for a DIA girl. Who might not show. Or got there and had second thoughts.

AC has approx over 5000 girls in the bars. Why waste time w / a DIA girl your 1st time

Once you've been there and done the Bar thing. Have a little more time and no your way around w / a pinay. Then do the DIA girls.

[QUOTE=Noddy;1275757]Undercoverh. Blow Row, is this a nickname for a bar, series of bars or street name? Are you refering to SW's when you mention BR? A little clarification please.[/QUOTE]

X Men provides a good reponse to your question. The only thing I would add is enjoy Blow Row while it last. When I came to AC 14 years ago, there were more places on BR and other locations in AC. Plus, the price back then was P500 for 3 hours ST. LT was like P800 or P900. Now the price is P700 for 2 hours, but still an great deal by American standards. Plus, the the USA Dollar was around P55 to $1. That was cheap sex! Now, on BR, many of the outlets are gone (new building in its place) and the other small BJ outlets in AC are gone (replaced by something else).

Here is a real treat for you! Go to You Tube and enter "Blowjob Naaaaaaa !Philippines, Angeles City Raymond St." Just copy and paste this. You will see this girl asking a guy, repeatedly to give him a blow jow now. Warning: Do not think all girls look the way these girls do. The looks of girls varies from BR bar to BR bar. And, the turnover is high. This video was take on BR sister street Raymond St which is next to the old Orchid Hotel (not the new one on Santos St.).

Also, the turnover at BR is high when compared to the bars. The girls seem to to stop at BR to make some quick cash and move on. Or, I guess some get tired of sucking lots of dicks every day. However, this is good news for us, because you can always find a new selection monthly, most of the time. One girl I have seen there for a while on my many trips. She is mixed with white and she seems nice. Never selected her because she is a little fat, but nice big tits. I feel a little bit sorry for her because her dad is an American or Aussie and she is left to suck dicks for a living. Oh well, such as life. If you see her or stop by to enjoy the other girls, please be nice to them, most of them are really nice girls living a "F" up life. If you are nice to them, most of them will be really nice to you. I can say that I have never had a girl with a bad attitude from BR. And for you guys who like bare back, lots of these girls will go bare back. It is not my choice, but sex with no condom takes place often on BR.

Appreciations Gentlemen. I am always very sweet to the girls according to the feedback I get being a super cool Gentleman, even when under provocation here in London. Worry not. I take good care of the girls, BR appears suited to me as I don't enjoy the BF for obvious reasons, add to this, the butterfly is free to take off in whatever direction desired; with a chick overnighting this clips my beautiful wings to a degree. Prefer to cup my balls alone, LOL.

I took a hot chick from Manila to AC some two Christmas back, we had a blast barhopping, only soured when my toe was almost removed from a thrown thunderflash. This time it I'm solo butterfly, baby. Hope the girls oblige me tons of photos with the incentive of a little renumeration of course.

[QUOTE=Noddy;1276137]I took a hot chick from Manila to AC some two Christmas back, we had a blast barhopping,[/QUOTE]Why do guys barhop with their girls? I've never understood this.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1276144]Why do guys barhop with their girls? I've never understood this.[/QUOTE]Neither do I but it seems very common these days. Especially the Koreans, often they barfine 2 or more girls and barhop with them as if there's no tomorrow.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1276144]Why do guys barhop with their girls? I've never understood this.[/QUOTE]I was more than comfortable with my Manila hot. Why not! Besides, as I wrote below; I'm not into the run-away barfine. Bring on the FL's, cheaper and higher turnover.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1276144]Why do guys barhop with their girls? I've never understood this.[/QUOTE]Can't speak for everyone, but if I find a gal I enjoy and I have paid for her time anyway, I find it enjoyable to get out of the room during the "recovery period" and maybe take in a few different venues. The girls seem to enjoy seeing something besides her own bar or going to a "civilian" place also. That usually translates well when we do return to the room. I have found they are often more "energetic" after being "squired" around a little.

I have been bitten a couple of times by girls inviting friends to drink with us or getting drunk and then not being able to perform. But those occasions are rare.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1276144]Why do guys barhop with their girls? I've never understood this.[/QUOTE]If you already have a girl for the night and still want to hang around and the girl is ok with it, having a girl aside lifts. In general. The hassle from other girls in the bars to approach you as a target.

Some, of course will not be intimated, maybe they think you two are looking for a 3rd party to join in the bed. But it does work

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1276144]Why do guys barhop with their girls? I've never understood this.[/QUOTE]Once I have picked my girl for the evening, I like to get it on right away. No delayed satisfaction for me. But some guys like to drink and barhop before sex; plain and simple. I don't get this one either, but some guys like to do it that way. Up to you.

But there is one situation when I like to barhop with my girl. This occurs when I have bar fined early in the afternoon from Perimeter and already shagged her twice in my hotel room. It is now 7pm. What to do if you don't want to let her go? I am getting hungry, thirsty and in need of some entertainment, so I take her out for dinner and barhop for a few hours before we get down to shag #3 & 4 and then some sleep. I have always had a good time barhopping on Fields with a Perimeter girl, sometimes a great time. The girls I have gone barhopping with have really liked it. Most have never been to places like Atlantis or Golden Nile so barhopping with them is part of the GFE that AC girls can give you.

Last time I was in AC I barhopped with a gal from Lost in Asia. After our afternoon double header, we had dinner at Jollibee's, her choice and my first and last time. Foolishly, I ordered a cheeseburger. It tasted like nothing that has a mother and father – wet stale cardboard. She ordered crispy chicken and rice which was a much better selection. Seeing I was not that happy with my burger, she hand fed me pieces of her chicken. One thing I can say about Jollibee's is that it is a well run operation. The place was packed, but the busboys kept cleaning tables as soon as they were vacated.

After dinner, I took her to a couple of small bars before we headed over to Atlantis. She loved the show. She asked me to give her 30p and left for around 10 minutes returning with two plastic bags filled with BBQ chicken skewers. She gave one to me, our waitress, who really appreciated it and the couple sitting next to us, a European guy and his girl. It broke the ice and we all had a great time. Later she asked if I would take her to karaoke joint where her cousin worked. That was interesting too and she sang some torch songs for me. Later, she wanted to stop at Ponytails because on the way to dinner she remembered I had mentioned it was a good bar. These girls have great memories. In Ponytails, I saw a beautiful Chinese looking girl. My girl got a little jealous of my glances at the Chinese girl – what was I supposed to do (LOL) and asked if I wanted to EWR the girl. I said no, unless she was interested in a 3 some. She looked at me funny and shook her head, but then invited the good looking girl to come by. It turned out the Pony Tail girl was a 21 year old cherry girl. I could not believe it. I mean how could that hot looking girl not have been sexed up? She was a stunner. Any way, we played some pool and drank more Tequila shots. We did not get back to my room until around 2pm. We had some of the Absolute Vodka I had bought at the duty free shop in the Macau airport and OJ and had a long, really good, late night, semi drunk shag. Then we slept. In the morning more sex. The girl left around noon. It was a memorable and fun night barhopping with this Perimeter Road bar girl. Her name was Juliet and I bar fined her one more time on my last day in AC. Farwell sex: it is good, almost as good as reunion sex.

I agree with most of the below. I try to bar fine early, then go to the hotel to check that I have found a good one. The problem is then at 10 pm what to do. There is very little in the way of entertainment in AC. Often the girls, who to be fair work long hours often like to bar hop and meet their friend cousin whatever. I have never been asked to buy more than 1 ld. Also having another person other than your fuck buddy that you have known for less than 2 hours, to talk to is kinda interesting. It certainly doesn't harm the conversation. Let's be fair it's not a date but you need something to do other than sex and AC has very little.

I bar fined a girl from a smaller bar who genuinely enjoyed watching the shows at some of the other bars.

I was looking at the Dollhouse Group bars on you tube, and some of the "green tag" girls look really cute and a great sexy slender shape (my first choice in selecting a girl). However, I did not see these girls on my last trip. The Dollhouse Group bars are: Dollhouse, Club Atlantis, Crystal Palace, Tropix, Baby Dollos, PonyTails, and Cub Asia. Based on my opinion, the big 3 has the best looking girls in Angeles City and the largest selection. The big 3 would be Dollhouse, Atlants, and Crystal. The pricing is 1, 800 white tag, and 3, 000 green tag for ST. Sometimes, ST is after u get your first pop or up to 2 hours, which ever comes first.

My question is, has anyone taken girls from any of the big 3 bars for LT? If yes, what is the price for green tag, white tag, and how many hours do you get? I will be staying at Pacific Breeze next time in a room with a jacuzzi. I would like to try getting a sexy, young, good looking girl from one of the big 3 clubs for LT to enjoy the jacuzzi experience. I do not know about other guys, but when I have take girls for LT (but not often) , I will normally order room service so we can eat. Having a girl for LT (12 hours from the Blow Row bars) , they tend to want to eat and I cannot blame them. 12 hours is a long time to go without eating and exspecting to just stay in bed and "F" is unrealistic. Just my POV. I rather do roomservice, then put my cloths back on and go to JollyBees (which would cost less).

The reason I mention food, is because I always add the estimated food cost to the LT price, plus any tip if the girl provided excellent service. Therefore, my cost for Blow Row girl was 1,400 girl for 12 hours, tip for very good service P200, room service food for both of us P500 for a total of 2,100 or $50 U.S. dollars. Still very very cheap by Ameican standards. After seening the girls on you tube at the big 3 clubs, I am thinking now maybe I will move up the scale on looks and quality of the girl. However, I am trying to determine how much it would cost me versus what I am getting (you know, the cost benefit analysis).

When I was younger, I would bang 2 or 3 girls a day, all on ST. Back then, it was about quantity. Now, it is about quality. As I get older, I am starting to find out that 2 hours is not enough time for me. I like to take my time, hug, kiss, have sex a few times. With 2 hours, I feel rushed. And, most bar girls keep an eye on the time when it is just 2 hours. With LT, this is not the case. Any feedback on the green tag LT or white tag LT pricing would be helpful, thanks.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1277143]I was looking at the Dollhouse Group bars on you tube, and some of the "green tag" girls look really cute and a great sexy slender shape (my first choice in selecting a girl). However, I did not see these girls on my last trip. The Dollhouse Group bars are: Dollhouse, Club Atlantis, Crystal Palace, Tropix, Baby Dollos, PonyTails, and Cub Asia. Based on my opinion, the big 3 has the best looking girls in Angeles City and the largest selection. The big 3 would be Dollhouse, Atlants, and Crystal. The pricing is 1, 800 white tag, and 3, 000 green tag for ST. Sometimes, ST is after you get your first pop or up to 2 hours, which ever comes first.

My question is, has anyone taken girls from any of the big 3 bars for LT? If yes, what is the price for green tag, white tag, and how many hours do you get? I will be staying at Pacific Breeze next time in a room with a jacuzzi. I would like to try getting a sexy, young, good looking girl from one of the big 3 clubs for LT to enjoy the jacuzzi experience. I do not know about other guys, but when I have take girls for LT (but not often) , I will normally order room service so we can eat. Having a girl for LT (12 hours from the Blow Row bars) , they tend to want to eat and I cannot blame them. 12 hours is a long time to go without eating and exspecting to just stay in bed and "F" is unrealistic. Just my POV. I rather do roomservice, then put my cloths back on and go to JollyBees (which would cost less).

The reason I mention food, is because I always add the estimated food cost to the LT price, plus any tip if the girl provided excellent service. Therefore, my cost for Blow Row girl was 1, 400 girl for 12 hours, tip for very good service P200, room service food for both of us P500 for a total of 2, 100 or $50 USA dollars. Still very very cheap by Ameican standards. After seening the girls on you tube at the big 3 clubs, I am thinking now maybe I will move up the scale on looks and quality of the girl. However, I am trying to determine how much it would cost me versus what I am getting (you know, the cost benefit analysis).

When I was younger, I would bang 2 or 3 girls a day, all on ST. Back then, it was about quantity. Now, it is about quality. As I get older, I am starting to find out that 2 hours is not enough time for me. I like to take my time, hug, kiss, have sex a few times. With 2 hours, I feel rushed. And, most bar girls keep an eye on the time when it is just 2 hours. With LT, this is not the case. Any feedback on the green tag LT or white tag LT pricing would be helpful, thanks.[/QUOTE]You are mixing things up. Prices quoted in your post 1800 and 3000 and LT. There is NO ST in those bars. ST is available in blowjob row and few other perimeter Road bars but NOT in the Fields Ave bars. LT means the girl stays with you until the morning. It also means that you get AT LEAST 2 pops but its really up to her and most will allow more than that. If you are nice to her then you may fuck her as much as you like. Many times I have taken a girl at 8pm and kept her up to 5pm the next day. If you are nice most of them will want to stay with you especially if you are staying in a nice place, just hint that they can use the pool and you are already a great guy.

As for food if money is an issue why not send the girl to get some food. Don't worry she will be back, after all she wants a tip. Otherwise you can buy something on the way back to the hotel. Can't remember the price now but a whole chicken from a street vendor is ridiculously cheep. Another option is buy ice cream or bring chocolate they love it and its much more fun licking ice cream of her body or even better her licking it of yours.

By the way don't neglect the smaller bars. Gems can be had there for 1500-2000 peso LT and there are plenty good looking girls that can give any 3000 peso girl run for their money. I don't bother with the 3K girls simply because their attitude at times can be bad and why pay that much when you can get away with half of that.

If you plan to bar fine few times from the same bar don't be a cheap charlie, words spreads around quick especially if you are more demanding. Keep in mind what and how you tip home for service and try not to over tip but definitely show your gratitude.

Have fun

[QUOTE=Mc Don; 1277210]You are mixing things up. Prices quoted in your post 1800 and 3000 and LT. There is NO ST in those bars. ST is available in blowjob row and few other perimeter Road bars but NOT in the Fields Ave bars. LT means the girl stays with you until the morning. It also means that you get AT LEAST 2 pops but its really up to her and most will allow more than that. If you are nice to her then you may fuck her as much as you like. Many times I have taken a girl at 8pm and kept her up to 5pm the next day. If you are nice most of them will want to stay with you especially if you are staying in a nice place, just hint that they can use the pool and you are already a great guy.

As for food if money is an issue why not send the girl to get some food. Don't worry she will be back, after all she wants a tip. Otherwise you can buy something on the way back to the hotel. Can't remember the price now but a whole chicken from a street vendor is ridiculously cheep. Another option is buy ice cream or bring chocolate they love it and its much more fun licking ice cream of her body or even better her licking it of yours.

By the way don't neglect the smaller bars. Gems can be had there for 1500-2000 peso LT and there are plenty good looking girls that can give any 3000 peso girl run for their money. I don't bother with the 3K girls simply because their attitude at times can be bad and why pay that much when you can get away with half of that.

If you plan to bar fine few times from the same bar don't be a cheap charlie, words spreads around quick especially if you are more demanding. Keep in mind what and how you tip home for service and try not to over tip but definitely show your gratitude.

Have fun[/QUOTE]Thanks for your feedback. It has been many years since I have gone to the Fields bars. For the past several years, I have spent most of my time on Blow Row and at perimeter bars. The attitudes of these girls seem to be better and the price is cheaper then the Fields Ave bars. But, based on your comments, I want to give Fields Ave bars a try again.

Let me see if I understand you correctly. Simply stated, the girls that work at the Fields Ave bars are expected to stay with you until the next morning? For example, if I bar fine a girl from Atlantis (with a green tag) at 8:00 pm for P3, 000, she will (is required) to stay with me until the next morning? What about BBBJ? At Blow Row, it is standard with sex. When I went to the Fields bars many many years ago, one reason I did not like it is becasue most girls did not want to give BBBJ. Will the girls at the Fields Ave bars give BBBJ as part of the service package?

I was in Bangkok in March and at the massage outlet, it was around $70 for 2 hours (2,000 baht). For the same amount, I could have a good looking girl in AC for all night....sign me up!! When I first went to AC 14 years ago, I was on a budget and I guess I got in the habit of going to BR and perimeter bars till this day. However, now, it is not problem or concern for me to pay P3,000 for a girl if she is going to stay all night. In addition to paying for a nice hotel room.

Some guys on this post have stated that girls from some of the Field Ave bars wanted to leave early and did NOT stay the night. Is that common? Based on your comments, I find this topic to be more interesting than I orginally thought. I wonder if other guys have bar fined girls at the Fields Ave bars and had girls leave only after a few hours, not knowing the girls are required to stay until the next morning and provide sex several times. Thanks for your feedback, I am sure this information will be helpful to many other guys also.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1277315]Thanks for your feedback. It has been many years since I have gone to the Fields bars. For the past several years, I have spent most of my time on Blow Row and at perimeter bars. The attitudes of these girls seem to be better and the price is cheaper then the Fields Ave bars. But, based on your comments, I want to give Fields Ave bars a try again.

Let me see if I understand you correctly. Simply stated, the girls that work at the Fields Ave bars are expected to stay with you until the next morning? For example, if I bar fine a girl from Atlantis (with a green tag) at 8:00 pm for P3, 000, she will (is required) to stay with me until the next morning? What about BBBJ? At Blow Row, it is standard with sex. When I went to the Fields bars many many years ago, one reason I did not like it is becasue most girls did not want to give BBBJ. Will the girls at the Fields Ave bars give BBBJ as part of the service package?

Some guys on this post have stated that girls from some of the Field Ave bars wanted to leave early and did NOT stay the night. Is that common? Based on your comments, I find this topic to be more interesting than I orginally thought. I wonder if other guys have bar fined girls at the Fields Ave bars and had girls leave only after a few hours, not knowing the girls are required to stay until the next morning and provide sex several times. Thanks for your feedback, I am sure this information will be helpful to many other guys also.[/QUOTE]There is [B]NO REQUIRED[/B] The girls must stay. And there is [B]no 2 POP (minimum) [/B] Requirement either.

Once you have had sex (one time). There is little to nothing you can do if the girl decides to leave.

Really if the girl leaves period. There is little to nothing you can do. You can TRY to go back to the bar and complain.

Some will. [B]and some won't refund your BF[/B]. [B]but NOTHING is GUARANTEED[/B].

And Definitely once you have had ONE pop. If the girl leaves. You can count the bars on one hand, if any. That will do anything. The deed is done.

Remember the bars CANNOT force the girls to do anything. And now the bars are even more reluctant to do anything becos of all the "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]" implications and the fear of being setup for a Raid.

I wouldn't go thinking that you will be GUARANTEED all night or 2 or 3 pops.

Now will most stay all night. Yes. Do most give more than 1 pop. Yes.

But as far as it being a [B]requirement[/B]. NO. If you have sex and the girl really wants to leave. There is nothing you can do.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1277315]Let me see if I understand you correctly. Simply stated, the girls that work at the Fields Ave bars are expected to stay with you until the next morning? For example, if I bar fine a girl from Atlantis (with a green tag) at 8:00 pm for P3, 000, she will (is required) to stay with me until the next morning? What about BBBJ? At Blow Row, it is standard with sex. When I went to the Fields bars many many years ago, one reason I did not like it is becasue most girls did not want to give BBBJ. Will the girls at the Fields Ave bars give BBBJ as part of the service package?[/QUOTE]The "program" is that you barfine a girl for the evening. She is "yours" until some undetermined time the next day. What happens on occasion, is the girls give you one pop and then try to find some reason to "leave early", or act in such a way to make sure that you will send them away. Then when they go back to the manager they can always say that you told them to leave.

I haven't had either of these scenarios happen very often, but on occasion I have told the girl to leave, only because it was my choice.

When a girl did leave early or whined enough that I told her to leave, I made a point of politely telling her manager the next day, if possible with her in sight. To be honest I have also told he manager when I have met a girl I really liked that he had a good girl and she should be treated well.

I will echo the sentiments about some of the girls on Blow Row, not always the most physically attractive of the lot, but many times the total experience was above average!

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865; 1277335]There is [B]NO REQUIRED[/B] The girls must stay. And there is [B]no 2 POP (minimum) [/B] Requirement either.

Once you have had sex (one time). There is little to nothing you can do if the girl decides to leave.

Really if the girl leaves period. There is little to nothing you can do. You can TRY to go back to the bar and complain.

Some will. [B]and some won't refund your BF[/B]. [B]but NOTHING is GUARANTEED[/B].

And Definitely once you have had ONE pop. If the girl leaves. You can count the bars on one hand, if any. That will do anything. The deed is done.

Remember the bars CANNOT force the girls to do anything. And now the bars are even more reluctant to do anything becos of all the "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]" implications and the fear of being setup for a Raid.

I wouldn't go thinking that you will be GUARANTEED all night or 2 or 3 pops.

Now will most stay all night. Yes. Do most give more than 1 pop. Yes.

But as far as it being a [B]requirement[/B]. NO. If you have sex and the girl really wants to leave. There is nothing you can do.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification.

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder; 1277388]The "program" is that you barfine a girl for the evening. She is "yours" until some undetermined time the next day. What happens on occasion, is the girls give you one pop and then try to find some reason to "leave early", or act in such a way to make sure that you will send them away. Then when they go back to the manager they can always say that you told them to leave.

I haven't had either of these scenarios happen very often, but on occasion I have told the girl to leave, only because it was my choice.

When a girl did leave early or whined enough that I told her to leave, I made a point of politely telling her manager the next day, if possible with her in sight. To be honest I have also told he manager when I have met a girl I really liked that he had a good girl and she should be treated well.

I will echo the sentiments about some of the girls on Blow Row, not always the most physically attractive of the lot, but many times the total experience was above average![/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback. I will be back in 3 months and I will give Fields Ave a try with the new info I have. Considering the price is $36 to$71, with a reasonable chance of it being all night with a few pops, it is still a good deal compared to the other places I have been in Asia (e.g., Macau, I spent $125 for 1 hour at a sanua. Hot China girl, but not worth the price). AC is still the overall best deal in Asia for 24/7 sex with young (over 18) girls.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1277143]I was looking at the Dollhouse Group bars on you tube, and some of the "green tag" girls look really cute and a great sexy slender shape (my first choice in selecting a girl). However, I did not see these girls on my last trip. The Dollhouse Group bars are: Dollhouse, Club Atlantis, Crystal Palace, Tropix, Baby Dollos, PonyTails, and Cub Asia. Based on my opinion, the big 3 has the best looking girls in Angeles City and the largest selection. The big 3 would be Dollhouse, Atlants, and Crystal. The pricing is 1, 800 white tag, and 3, 000 green tag for ST. Sometimes, ST is after u get your first pop or up to 2 hours, which ever comes first.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't use those videos as an assurance that the women will look as good as they did in the video. The lighting is very flattering on stage and such. It's a lot different up close and / or in natural lighting most of the time. That's not to say that the women won't look as good, but I think on average most of the women don't look nearly as good when you take them out of the club. I have not taken from any Dollhouse group bar in awhile. I had a friend who took a spotlight type girl in other words a 3k pesos barfine recently and she stayed the whole night with him each time. I wouldn't get my hopes up too high about the quality in this group of bars. I think it's more hype and props than anything.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1277447]Thanks for the feedback. I will be back in 3 months and I will give Fields Ave a try with the new info I have. Considering the price is $36 to$71, with a reasonable chance of it being all night with a few pops, it is still a good deal compared to the other places I have been in Asia (e.g., Macau, I spent $125 for 1 hour at a sanua. Hot China girl, but not worth the price). AC is still the overall best deal in Asia for 24/7 sex with young (over 18) girls.[/QUOTE]I will ask you one favor. PLEASE STOP THINKING IN ANY CURRENCY BESIDES THE LOCAL ONE!

Don't mean to shout, but it really does help to forget that from which you came, and focus on where you are. While you are there!

Those comparison issues are at least in my opinion best reserved for when one is making plans to visit a location.

And yes I understand that you aren't "in country" at this time. All in good fun!

Sky.

Ps, I agree with you about the PRC girls in the Macau saunas. In fact the last time I was there during CNY, one place told us the government was making it VERY hard for the Chinese girls to work in the saunas. Maybe they thought it better they work the "racetrack".

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1277315]I was in Bangkok in March and at the massage outlet, it was around $70 for 2 hours (2,000 baht). For the same amount, I could have a good looking girl in AC for all night.sign me up!![/QUOTE]Well, you have to account a MP has recover for running costs that a girl doesn't. A bar girl helps in feeding cash to the establishment with bar fine, drinks she generates by being there and so representing an attraction.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1277447]Thanks for the feedback. I will be back in 3 months and I will give Fields Ave a try with the new info I have. Considering the price is $36 to$71, with a reasonable chance of it being all night with a few pops, it is still a good deal compared to the other places I have been in Asia (e.g., Macau, I spent $125 for 1 hour at a sanua. Hot China girl, but not worth the price). AC is still the overall best deal in Asia for 24/7 sex with young (over 18) girls.[/QUOTE]I find my biggest problem in AC is the reverse. Many times becos I don't sleep in late, and like to eat breakfast.

I have to tell the girls to leave. A lot of times they either want to stay and sleep or just lay around all day watchin TV.

If you are nice to the girls. They will try to latch on and stay as long as you will let them.

It all depends on your approach, and how you treat them.

In my experience ([B]in the PI[/B]). The better you treat them. The better "GFE" you receive. If that is what you seek.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865; 1277335]There is [B]NO REQUIRED[/B] The girls must stay. And there is [B]no 2 POP (minimum) [/B] Requirement either.

Once you have had sex (one time). There is little to nothing you can do if the girl decides to leave.

Really if the girl leaves period. There is little to nothing you can do. You can TRY to go back to the bar and complain.

Some will. [B]and some won't refund your BF[/B]. [B]but NOTHING is GUARANTEED[/B].

And Definitely once you have had ONE pop. If the girl leaves. You can count the bars on one hand, if any. That will do anything. The deed is done.

Remember the bars CANNOT force the girls to do anything. And now the bars are even more reluctant to do anything becos of all the "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]" implications and the fear of being setup for a Raid.

I wouldn't go thinking that you will be GUARANTEED all night or 2 or 3 pops.

Now will most stay all night. Yes. Do most give more than 1 pop. Yes.

But as far as it being a [B]requirement[/B]. NO. If you have sex and the girl really wants to leave. There is nothing you can do.[/QUOTE]Sorry, this is definitely a more accurate description. Rather then REQUIRED I should have said USUAL. Keep in mind prostitution is illegal in phils so even girls from BJ Row can NOT be forced by the bar to perform. Bottom line is NOTHING is 100% sure and there is NO GUARANTEES not just here but almost anywhere when it comes to this kind of sport.

My experience and I believe the experience of most other guys here is as described in my previous post. Almost all girls will be up for one pop on the night and another in the morning at the very least. Yes after the first she can leave and there is nothing much you can do about it, the bar is unlikely to refund your money even if you go back and ask for it as she has in their eyes done the job. As said above, the deed is done. IMO best thing is to let her go and get another girl. At the end of the day we are talking few bucks here no big deal providing you have learned from your mistake.

Bottom line is if you come across as a nice guy almost all girls will return the favor. Like you they want to have good time even though for them its a job. Lot of them work 6 nights a week so treat them right in public, make it fun give them the impression that they are on a date. Eat with them before taking them to the room. Go with them for a drink to another bar. Yes its little more expensive but if you want to minimize risk of a runner and build report with a girl then its worth it IMO. I do it most of the times anyway because I enjoy it myself, I simply enjoy building a bit more tension and momentum before the deed. Don't get me wrong you can skip all this and do what you seem to usually do as well and turn on the charm in your room too, that works too. The idea is for you to come across as nice whichever way you are comfortable. They do understand that it is easier being with someone that is nice and caring. Don't abuse them and don't try to hurt them or force yourself too hard. Talk to them, be funny, be friendly and once it comes to doing it they will return the favor. When doing the interview make it fun, joke about the naughty things you want done and suss her out if she needs to go home early for whatever reason. Some have kids to go back to. Some are local girls with families thinking they are working normal jobs.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865; 1277740]I find my biggest problem in AC is the reverse. Many times becos I don't sleep in late, and like to eat breakfast.

I have to tell the girls to leave. A lot of times they either want to stay and sleep or just lay around all day watchin TV.

If you are nice to the girls. They will try to latch on and stay as long as you will let them.

It all depends on your approach, and how you treat them.

In my experience ([B]in the PI[/B]). The better you treat them. The better "GFE" you receive. If that is what you seek.[/QUOTE]You raise an interesting point I had not thought about. I am like you when it comes to not wanting to sleep in and wanting to eat breakfast. I really have no desire to buy the girl breakfast and spending the morning or day with her, I would prefer that she be on her way in the morning (so I can do other stuff and get ready for the new girl I will find that night). I will have to see how all that goes, but I will for sure be nice to the girls.

Of all the hookers I have been with in so many different countries, the filipinas in general are the most sweet and playful. They can still smile after having to suck and "F" so many different guys for a living while still living a poor shit life. Plus, some of these hookers are looking for love, their dream is to have some guy take them away from that and love them (most of the time their dreams never come true). I am still surprised how many of these filipinas will have sex with guys ("F" and suck) with no condom, just to make the guy happy. They overlook the risk they are taking just to make a man happy. Most of them are sweethearts in my book and I will always be nice to them. Thanks for your feedback.

[QUOTE=Mc Don; 1277863]Sorry, this is definitely a more accurate description. Rather then REQUIRED I should have said USUAL. Keep in mind prostitution is illegal in phils so even girls from BJ Row can NOT be forced by the bar to perform. Bottom line is NOTHING is 100% sure and there is NO GUARANTEES not just here but almost anywhere when it comes to this kind of sport.

My experience and I believe the experience of most other guys here is as described in my previous post. Almost all girls will be up for one pop on the night and another in the morning at the very least. Yes after the first she can leave and there is nothing much you can do about it, the bar is unlikely to refund your money even if you go back and ask for it as she has in their eyes done the job. As said above, the deed is done. IMO best thing is to let her go and get another girl. At the end of the day we are talking few bucks here no big deal providing you have learned from your mistake.

Bottom line is if you come across as a nice guy almost all girls will return the favor. Like you they want to have good time even though for them its a job. Lot of them work 6 nights a week so treat them right in public, make it fun give them the impression that they are on a date. Eat with them before taking them to the room. Go with them for a drink to another bar. Yes its little more expensive but if you want to minimize risk of a runner and build report with a girl then its worth it IMO. I do it most of the times anyway because I enjoy it myself, I simply enjoy building a bit more tension and momentum before the deed. Don't get me wrong you can skip all this and do what you seem to usually do as well and turn on the charm in your room too, that works too. The idea is for you to come across as nice whichever way you are comfortable. They do understand that it is easier being with someone that is nice and caring. Don't abuse them and don't try to hurt them or force yourself too hard. Talk to them, be funny, be friendly and once it comes to doing it they will return the favor. When doing the interview make it fun, joke about the naughty things you want done and suss her out if she needs to go home early for whatever reason. Some have kids to go back to. Some are local girls with families thinking they are working normal jobs.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]I agree with your concept on how to deal with the girls and the fact that there are no guarantees. I have been a ST guy for many years so doing the pre-sex stuff (food, bonding with them, etc.) is new for me. But I can see how that can add more enjoyment to the overall sex experince and make for a GFE. I guess with me, I already have to do that pre-sex stuff with my wife and girlfriend (not at the same time and of course they do not know each other) , so I like going to PI bar girls and getting down to business and after 2 hours, she is on her way. But I will give your approach a try and see how it works out.

You made a good point about the fact that is only a few bucks. For a night with a young filipina, it cost around $50 including tip. To most guys, including myself, $50 is nothing. So I agree with your comment that it is no big deal. Thanks for your feedback.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1278318]I am like you when it comes to not wanting to sleep in and wanting to eat breakfast. I really have no desire to buy the girl breakfast and spending the morning or day with her[/QUOTE]Same here. Usually I send the girl home in the morning with some tip, so she can buy her own food, before I take my breakfast.

Cheers!

Any moment now, some lurker will suggest we rename this the "breakfast" thread.

I like GFE, but have been in the mood of Ekspat many times. I've also regretted seeing a few excuse themselves after the morning session. I've even thrown out a few withoug shagging them just because their attitude changed so much during the ten minutes between bar and bed.

[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1278414]Same here. Usually I send the girl home in the morning with some tip, so she can buy her own food, before I take my breakfast.

Cheers![/QUOTE]

Has anyone heard anything recently about issues at Clark? Been hearing some rumblings about hassles using Clark. TIA

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder;1279122]Has anyone heard anything recently about issues at Clark? Been hearing some rumblings about hassles using Clark. TIA[/QUOTE]Its an issue for the Girls trying to travel w / foreigner boyfriends. Going outside the country. Like to HK, BKK,

The PI is scrutinizing the girls tough (for potential "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]"). Stopping many from leaving period, or asking so many questions making the girls miss their flights. No refund!

There is no issue for Tourist, Its a Philippine issue. Unless you're trying to take a girl out of the country.

If you take the girl to manila. Its less hassle. Although not hassle free.

Currently in AC staying for a week.

Have not barfined any girls because I am with my GF who is providing all the sex and company I need.

However she is open for me to cruise the bars alone. Got tired of staying in Manila, so thought AC was a good diversion.

There are many old bars open with some new ones. Also some old bars with new names. Dirty Duck closed for good it looks like.

Drinks- Most perimeter bars charge 50-70 for a beer.

Fields avenue bars charge between 90. 140.

140 pesos at forbidden city.

Ladydrinks- All basic are 150 pesos. Make sure you mention the waitress you only want to buy 150 peso ladydrink before you offer.

Otherwise they will charge you 300 pesos.

Some bars have advertised outside saying certain days beer is 60 pesos and ladydrinks are 100 pesos.

Barfine- All fields avenue bars charge 1500 onwards. Average is 2000 pesos unless you want a spotlight girl.

Perimeter bars also charge 1200 upwards.

Punter situation- Bars are not crowded. I have seen many punters just come and have a drink and leave. Waitresses told me men have stayed away from barfining. Why? Do not know. Maybe they have regulars sneaking in after work.

Ofcourse you see certain overnight millionaires having lots of girls around and buying them drinks.

Hotels- Lots of construction is going on. Many new hotels are coming up.

I am staying at Devera Hotel. Clean, new, convenient. Some noise because of construction daytime.

Restaurents- None are crowded as I used to see before.

Girls- Bought ladydrinks to few. Most are in older age bracket around 23-27. Used to see lots of teeny boppers before.

Maybe because of all the raids have scared of young girls or bars hiring them.

I'm headed to the PI after a 7yrs absence and will either be going to Subic or AC. I have been to both about 7 years ago and stayed at the Blue Rock Resort while in Subic (Baloy Beach) and at the Blue Nile while in AC. I've been reading the FF and have read pluses and minus about AC. Is Subic a better monger hole than AC in so far as quality of the women and expense?

AC is superior. In fact guys will pick up a gal in AC and then hit the beaches of Olongapo. But why take my word for it, you can do both. Fly the Bus (Swagman) and Southern Cross run buses MNL / AC / Subic Bay everyday.

[QUOTE=Great Expecta;1279503]I'm headed to the PI after a 7yrs absence and will either be going to Subic or AC. I have been to both about 7 years ago and stayed at the Blue Rock Resort while in Subic (Baloy Beach) and at the Blue Nile while in AC. I've been reading the FF and have read pluses and minus about AC. Is Subic a better monger hole than AC in so far as quality of the women and expense?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man;1279576]In fact guys will pick up a gal in AC and then hit the beaches of Olongapo.[/QUOTE]Actually no need IMO. Don't underestimate the bars in Olongapo, lots of hotties there as well. I was there again recently after several years and I was pleasantly surprised.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder;1279122]Has anyone heard anything recently about issues at Clark? Been hearing some rumblings about hassles using Clark. TIA[/QUOTE]Airport security took 3 bottles of liquor from my checked in luggage, they are a pack of thieves.

Hi X,

Do you know if there a bus line that runs from Olongapo to Manila airport? Or do they all go back to AC first?

Thanks

[QUOTE=X Man;1279576]AC is superior. In fact guys will pick up a gal in AC and then hit the beaches of Olongapo. But why take my word for it, you can do both. Fly the Bus (Swagman) and Southern Cross run buses MNL / AC / Subic Bay everyday.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PattayaTony;1279646]Airport security took 3 bottles of liquor from my checked in luggage, they are a pack of thieves.[/QUOTE]Did they leave any bottles for you? I think there is a limit that you can take out, that was what I was told before.

[QUOTE=Key Master;1280053]Did they leave any bottles for you? I think there is a limit that you can take out, that was what I was told before.[/QUOTE]The guys were airport security staff not customs officers, anyway I know the country I imported it too said I can import up to 10 bottles. 2 duty free.

Guys, headed to Philippines on short notice. Want to make a run up from Manila for a few days. Don't have a lot of time for research? Does anyone know any cheap girl friendly hotels in Angeles City that can be booked through sites like Travelocity or Hotels. Com? I've found a lot of cheap places (between 15-30 a night) like Hotel V, Tune Hotels, Hotel California. Any of these ring a bell?

Not looking for luxury. My only requirements are a reliable safe, hot water in the shower, no bed bugs, and air conditioning.

Thanks a ton for any help!

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1279833]Hi X,

Do you know if there a bus line that runs from Olongapo to Manila airport? Or do they all go back to AC first?

Thanks[/QUOTE]I took a bus return from Pasay Bus Station to Olongapo Town centre, I think the service runs every 20min or so. Service name escapes me. Took a trike from Subic, about a 20 min ride, return. Will drop you off at the station in Olongapo. Obviuosly, you will require taxi to airport. Hope this is helpful.

Noddy has already given you some info about the regular bus companies. I doubt that they will take you to the airport. The private foreign-friendly services I mentioned do not go to the airport.

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1279833]Hi X,

Do you know if there a bus line that runs from Olongapo to Manila airport? Or do they all go back to AC first?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1280097]I've found a lot of cheap places (between 15-30 a night) like Hotel V, Tune Hotels, Hotel California. Any of these ring a bell?[/QUOTE]You might want to check the Angeles hotel thread but Tune (owned by Air Asia) is new to AC and is currently having a sale:

[url]http://www.tunehotels.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1280097]My only requirements are a reliable safe[/QUOTE]I agree that Tune Hotels seem generally worth a look, but I think you'll find they only offer room safes in the UK. See [url]http://www.tunehotels.com/add-ons[/url].

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1280097]My only requirements are a reliable safe.[/QUOTE].

Sorry, please disregard my last post. It says elsewhere on the Tune site that "In-room safes are provided in all rooms (charges apply for UK hotels)".

Moderator, please feel free to delete both this post and my previous one!

I have stayed in Tune hotels a few times.

They are designed mor for the traveller who needs a place to crash for a while, than a short time hotel.

The rooms are very small, bu t they are immaculately clean, and the beds are comfortable. Everything works well.

You pay for the room only. If you want extras, then you pay, such as TV, aircon, internet.

The prices are low, so as a crash pad for a few hours, it is good value.

I could neveer imagine trying to stay there for more than maybe 12 hours.

G.

[QUOTE=Reporter2010; 1280233]I agree that Tune Hotels seem generally worth a look, but I think you'll find they only offer room safes in the UK. See.

[url]http://www.tunehotels.com/add-ons[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info. That's what I thought. If they are anything like Air Asia or some of the other "add on everything" discount carriers, I'll want to avoid. Looks like I'll be seeking out an aparta-hotel.

[QUOTE=Gangles;1280270]The prices are low, so as a crash pad for a few hours, it is good value.[/QUOTE]Is it really? I've seen the Tune hotels pop up in my hotel searches, but they never come across as particularly budget; rather mid-range. I passed the AC Tune couple weeks ago. It looked pretty deserted, apart from (what looked like) some Malaysians exiting. They looked a bit disorientated. It's understandable, the location is high up on Perimeter, and you need to ride jeep / trike to Fields. IMO the uninviting budget color scheme alone is reason not to stay there. If you need a good cheap "crash pad" there's a SoGo in Dau, and as I understand it another one will open in Angeles (Balibago?) later on.

Is there a problem in getting my Girl from Clark to Hong Kong or Should I book a flight from Manila?

[QUOTE=Royalpardesi2001;1282383]Is there a problem in getting my Girl from Clark to Hong Kong or Should I book a flight from Manila?[/QUOTE]It will be a problem from both.

Read a number of posts on various threads about how so many girls have been bumped off flights unless they have letters of authority and plenty of USD in their possession.

You can try it if you don't mind losing the fare if she gets booted off

Thanks for the post but how much is plenty of USD around 500. 1000?

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1282453]It will be a problem from both.

Read a number of posts on various threads about how so many girls have been bumped off flights unless they have letters of authority and plenty of USD in their possession.

You can try it if you don't mind losing the fare if she gets booted off[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Royalpardesi2001;1282383]Is there a problem in getting my Girl from Clark to Hong Kong or Should I book a flight from Manila?[/QUOTE]To Royalpardesi2001.

I check yesterday from a travel agent at SM mall cebu pacific flight to Hong kong for Friday is 8000 p one way, flight to macau from clark is cheaper but no seat until Monday at 6500 p, seaair and tiger air already cancel flight to macau so it is better just

Fly out of manila more flight and options.

Fast Eddie 48

"Go back to your country!" I won't be going back to this barbershop.

In a previous life, I had a nice shave from this place right on Fields. While I was all wrapped up another guy came in. The other customer clearly asked that the shave go with the grain, not against. Almost immediately, the customer said,"No, I told you blah blah." My barber said a few words in Tagalog and things went smoothly from there. I talked a bit with the other customer, a soldier on R&R from Iraq. He was a young Af-American. I was very happy with my shave. Very smooth. I promised myself that I would do this again next time I was in AC.

I didn't think much about this, but six months later I walked in to the same place for a shave. It was late afternoon and the place was quiet. There was only one barber on duty. Immediately, there were a few misunderstandings. I work daily with people who are not native speakers, so I dumbed it down, repeated myself, etc. Nevertheless, the barber was completely misunderstanding me. So, he starts with what I suspect was a head shave even after I had clearly said I only wanted a shave. I had reached my limit and didn't want this guy near me with a razor. I said something to the effect that,"if we can't understand eachother, I don't want to continue." As I walked out he said,"Go back to your country."

Well, I wish I could speak Tagalog, but I can't. If you can get the guy who speaks English, great. His partner doesn't speak English. I ended up getting a nice shave from the barber / beauty salon near the Southern cross in Ermita. X

[QUOTE=X Man;1282544]"Go back to your country!" I won't be going back to this barbershop.[/QUOTE]Your retort could be,"Go back to your province."

Hello guys, I've been reading a lot about angeles city and I'm thinking of going there for a vacation.

My goals are probebly obvious, want to get there, have a blast, have some nice time with bar girls, and enjoy their tight pussies.

Now I've really never had sex with prostitutes just twice in amsterdam, but if any of you guys have been with the girls there you should know they are actually quite rude and act as if they are the one's paying you LOL.

How are the girls in angeles city? Are they "service" orianted, I mean, are they just lying in bed like dead fish or do they want to have some fun too, and how are their attitude?

I've never really had a "sex" trip, so I'm a bit unsure about going to angeles city as I've heard it can be quite dangerous, and how fun is it to go there alone, without any friends with you etc?

What are the rates for the girls currently, most posts I've read seems to be outdated.

What are you expected to do and what are you expected to say when you want to get a girl "home" with you?

Would you say it's fun / save to go to angeles city for a first timer, that hasn't traveled a lot?

Thank you lads.

Hello guys.

I'm thinking of taking a vacation to angeles city, I've heard a lot about the girls etc from there so it seems like it could be an interesting trip.

But most threads I've read have been quite outdated so I wanted to ask you guys some questions if thats ok.

I've never really had sex with prostitutes before, just twice in Amsterdam but everyone thats been there knows the the girls are actually quite bitchy and rude they act as if they have paid you rather then you've paid them. So I'd like to know a bit about the attitude of the girls in angeles island, I mean are they nice to hang out with, do they lie in bed like dead fish or do they actually try to please you?

I've seen quite a few pictures from the photo gallary guys without condoms, either getting a blowjob without a condom or having vaginal sex without one, how safe is this really?

What are the rates for the girls?

How are you supposed to act and what are you expected to do when you take a girl out from a bar for an "early work leave"?

Do you get a taxi from the bar to the hotel, as I'm quite sure it's not so smart going around in the streets after dark with a prostitute.

I've never really traveled much, or had a "sex trip" ever. Is it safe to be in angeles city if you're not a 100% pro at these kinds of things.

And how fun is it being there alone, without going with a friends or something?

I know it's a lot of questions, but I'm hoping you'll want to answer them.

PS: Any other suggestions are welcome.

Thanks

I got into Tropix a little later in the evening, about 11:30pm. The place was dead and the pickings were slim. I guess the hoties either went home or had already been taken. I talked to Lady Rose, a waitress, and she agreed to all of my desires. She also said she had no problem staying till around noon; she even got her bathing suit as we had talked about going for a swim in the morning.

Got back to the room about 1:00am and after the shower ceremony we got down to business. Despite what she agreed to in the club, she wouldn't do any BJ (covered or not) , didn't want me to go down on her and during sex she was barely responsive. I stopped once to make sure she was still breathing!

After I finished at about about 3:00am, she asked if she could leave at four to go see her kid. I told her to get dressed and leave now. At the door she actually had the gumption to ask for a tip!

I told her no BJ and you want leave early – I don't think so; don't let the door hit ya in the ass.

[url]https://vimeo.com/42432059[/url]

First attempt with no real video aspirations. Gives a firstimer to AC a picture of what to expect once there. If you have arrived at the Dau bus station, alight, find yourself a Trike as in the video. Found close by. Hotels on Fields are a five minute ride. My co-passenger was a good ride, better than the Trike by far.

I put some answers below from my point of view.

I'm thinking of taking a vacation to angeles city, I've heard a lot about the girls etc from there so it seems like it could be an interesting trip.

But most threads I've read have been quite outdated so I wanted to ask you guys some questions if thats ok.

I've never really had sex with prostitutes before, just twice in Amsterdam but everyone thats been there knows the the girls are actually quite bitchy and rude they act as if they have paid you rather then you've paid them. So I'd like to know a bit about the attitude of the girls in angeles island, I mean are they nice to hang out with, do they lie in bed like dead fish or do they actually try to please you?

*Most bar girls in the Phils have a good attitude. But treat them well of course. My experience is that most are fun to hang out with and they are fun in bed. On occasion, I have kept a girl for a few days having fun. So definitely works sometimes. Obviously, you want to determine whether you have a good rapport with the girl at the bar. I usually don't ask direct questions such as will you do this, will you do that? How long will you stay etc. Anyway, if you have any luck, I think you will be pleasantly surprised compared to what you wrote about Amsterdam.

*Above is my average experience. I would say that 20% of the time the girl is no fun. In such a case, just give here a tip and cut your losses.

I've seen quite a few pictures from the photo gallary guys without condoms, either getting a blowjob without a condom or having vaginal sex without one, how safe is this really?

*I use condom in vaginal sex. The numbers aren't in your favor for not doing so. Reality. Also, I don't want to get them pregnant. Most girls in the Phils can't afford birth control pills, so it is a big risk. Of course, after you leave there is no direct consequence, but I personally don't like the idea of having a child in the Phils that I don't know about. Just my feeling.

What are the rates for the girls?

*I haven't been there in about two years so I can't remember exact rates on bar fine [was in Manila but not AC a year ago]. I tend to be a sucker, so I think my damage from bar fine and tip is $100 US dollars or less, but that is for good performance.

How are you supposed to act and what are you expected to do when you take a girl out from a bar for an "early work leave"?

*Not a big deal. No worries. That's the point!

Do you get a taxi from the bar to the hotel, as I'm quite sure it's not so smart going around in the streets after dark with a prostitute.

*My feeling is that overall Phils is pretty safe. Don't do anything dumb of course. AC in the correct area is "prostitution business" so no one cares. Also the girls generally dress normally when leaving the bar. If it is walking distance, should be fine. The main street has a lot of nightlife, so again no worries.

I've never really traveled much, or had a "sex trip" ever. Is it safe to be in angeles city if you're not a 100% pro at these kinds of things.

*AC is safe in the main areas. Again, don't do anything dumb. Also, like anywhere, I would avoid any altercations.

And how fun is it being there alone, without going with a friends or something?

*It's fun. And as I mentioned, there are girls who will want to stay with you for days.

*Anyway, overall AC is great. You can find some stunners and you can find some great performers. Overall Filipinas are pretty warm and will treat you great if you are generous and treat them kindly. Remember that the per capita income in Phils is very low, and so the money they make from you is very high. Thus they generally are motivated to show you a great time.

*Other suggestions. AC is a bar and bar girl focussed town, at least the sections where you are going. It is a bit of a dump. If you have time, I would go to Boracay. It is really beautiful and fun. Great party town. (but oddly enough there aren't many good options to pick up girls there; if you need sex in Bora, I would take a girl. I've done so previously)

*One other tip. Phils has a lot of freelancers outside the bars. Many are super gorgeous, but those could be ladyboys, so watch out! LOL I've never picked up from the street.

PM me if you have other questions. Happy to try to help.

I know it's a lot of questions, but I'm hoping you'll want to answer them.

PS: Any other suggestions are welcome.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Devcoder; 1282733]Hello guys, I've been reading a lot about angeles city and I'm thinking of going there for a vacation.

My goals are probebly obvious, want to get there, have a blast, have some nice time with bar girls, and enjoy their tight pussies.

How are the girls in angeles city? Are they "service" orianted, I mean, are they just lying in bed like dead fish or do they want to have some fun too, and how are their attitude?

I've never really had a "sex" trip, so I'm a bit unsure about going to angeles city as I've heard it can be quite dangerous, and how fun is it to go there alone, without any friends with you etc?[/QUOTE]AC can be BIG fun. But I'm not sure if I would recommend it to a 1st timer "Monger" to go by themselves.

The women can be GREAT if you choose the right one. The danger w / the women is not physical but emotional. Especially for a 1st timer to the game and to the PI.

They will most certainly play the sympathy card. The poverty in the PI is ever present. And girls are genuinely poor as poor can be. They can appear to be the most innocent, sweet, enduring girl willing to please your every whim. But that's the web they weave. These girls are Pro's at this game. Seasoned mongers fall prey to their. Seemly innocent child like charm. And the seasoned girls. Know how to fleece a guy clean to the bone. While He's thinkin he's being the good Samaritan.

Going alone depends on you. There is nothing besides screwing and basically drinking beer to do all day and night. Other than that. Maybe go to the mall and hope there is a movie to see. Many people get bored w / nothing to do during the day. Especially if you are not a daytime drinker.

As far as Dangerous. I would not consider it any more dangerous than any other Major city. Even though it is a small place. The fact that everyone knows that foreigners come from all over. Means of course people are there looking to help rid you of your money. Be careful.

The most important rule for a 1st timer. No Filippino Man is your friend. They will walk over, approach you like you two are old time friends, try to say they met you at your hotel you must not remember. Do NOT stop for any Filippino no matter how friendly he appears if they approach you. Do NOT ever go ANYWHERE with one. Bottom line. They want something. This may sound like common sense advice. But you would not believe how may guys have been. Approached, taken to a house and robbed. And Newbie's are their main victims.

Other than that. AC can be "HEAVEN" on earth. If you are adventurous. I say go for it. It definitely is a "Bucket list" experience.

Unless you are the one who initiates it. Be leary of all who approach you.

Took a walk down Raymond St and found a tasty little morsel. 20 year old Josephine (yellow dress / more pics in the Photo Gallery) , at the Prince of Wales earlier in the day. During our ST session she told me that she also likes girls and we discussed everything that I like to do when I am with 2 girls. Josey said she's up for anything and that her gf. 18 year old Jessica fresh in from Cebu (2 weeks ago) , would be a good match up for us. I had her call Mama Lisa at the P of W and 'reserve' Jessica for us.

Fast forward to later in the evening. Josey and I went and picked up Jessica; LT'd both girls for 2, 800 pesos. This turned out to be one of the best 3somes I have had in years.

When I came out of the shower they were already going at it – 69'ing. 'Want get wet for you sir'. I dipped a finger into Jessica for a taste – strawberries are in most definitely in season here! As soon I hit the bed they began giving me a double BBBJ while I played with their little pussies with my fingers and a vibrator (a delightful new experience for Jessica). Moved on to Jessica mounting me cowgirl while Josy sat on my face.

We switched up for little while, then I spun Josey around to reverse CG, laid her back across me and had Jessica go down us. Nothing like having your balls licked and a tongue stroke your shaft during sex. This was new for both girls and I'm sure that they'll add it to their bag of tricks. Also did some pussy to mouth – Josey had already told Jessica that's one of the things I like and true to a good GFE girl she is, she did it on her own. Took me out of Josey, BJ'd for little while and like the good little girl she is – carefully put my cock back into Josey's soaking wet pussy. Swapped the girls around and kept on going, but this time Josey also took up the vibrator and began using it on herself. After she came Josey started using the vibrator on Jessica and me. Needless to say Jessica came soon and her cum leaked out onto my nuts – a real gusher – which Josey promptly cleaned up with her tongue.

We played around like this for while, changing positions and partners; taking one or the other K9 while they ate each other. I finished off giving Jessica a creampie which Josey went down and quickly lapped up. She of course shared it Jessica and they engaged in bit of snowballing, after which we collapsed and took a nap. Later on in the wee hours rounds 2 and 3 went pretty much the same way. My hearty thanks again to the makers of vitamin V!

Footnote: I was thinking of doing a repeat on Monday, but found out that Jessica got her period a few hours after we had finished (BTW, Mama Lisa warned me of this before we left the night before, but I decided to take my chances) – guess I'll just have to wait and come back again before heading home the end of next month. LOL

[QUOTE=Devcoder; 1282738]Hello guys.

I'm thinking of taking a vacation to angeles city, I've heard a lot about the girls etc from there so it seems like it could be an interesting trip.

But most threads I've read have been quite outdated so I wanted to ask you guys some questions if thats ok.

I've never really had sex with prostitutes before, just twice in Amsterdam but everyone thats been there knows the the girls are actually quite bitchy and rude they act as if they have paid you rather then you've paid them. So I'd like to know a bit about the attitude of the girls in angeles island, I mean are they nice to hang out with, do they lie in bed like dead fish or do they actually try to please you?

I've seen quite a few pictures from the photo gallary guys without condoms, either getting a blowjob without a condom or having vaginal sex without one, how safe is this really?

What are the rates for the girls?

How are you supposed to act and what are you expected to do when you take a girl out from a bar for an "early work leave"?

Do you get a taxi from the bar to the hotel, as I'm quite sure it's not so smart going around in the streets after dark with a prostitute.

I've never really traveled much, or had a "sex trip" ever. Is it safe to be in angeles city if you're not a 100% pro at these kinds of things.

And how fun is it being there alone, without going with a friends or something?

I know it's a lot of questions, but I'm hoping you'll want to answer them.

PS: Any other suggestions are welcome.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Join in with someone from the board here for bar hop and to get some idea of where is safe.

Lot of great girls here in ac. I love being here but also hate some of the things here.

Too many beggars and thieves but if you walk fast and remember that you got to pay attention to what you are doing

It is mostly safe.

The bars have some really great girls and some losers. Its hit and miss and depends on luck and what you find that you are compatable with.

I have lived here for four years.

No condoms has its risks.

I sent you an inbox message.

Also I am happy to do some bar hop when or if you are here and I am here at same time.

You can have lot of fun here. Just be careful don't trust people on the street.

Glad to answer any other questions. My favorite hotel is wild orchid and abc hotel. On the expensive side

And there are some other ones less expensive that are nice

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1282502]To Royalpardesi2001.

I check yesterday from a travel agent at SM mall cebu pacific flight to Hong kong for Friday is 8000 p one way, flight to macau from clark is cheaper but no seat until Monday at 6500 p, seaair and tiger air already cancel flight to macau so it is better just

Fly out of manila more flight and options.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]Biggest problem with taking girls out of the country is immigration now.

They have gone crazy with refusing to let girls out.

The word is that the girl has to take a class in manila from commission on filiipinos overseas in quezon city.

Cfo.

I know girls that travel a lot out of the country and have been refused recently.

Also many guys take a girl and the immigration will not let the girl leave the country.

They say they don't want them to be sex slaves.

I have not heard of them asking for money yet to allow them out.

Fellas,

Unfortunately I'm short on time and having a lot of problems with the search function (not sure if this is related to the problem that seems to have renamed a lot of threads). Could someone fill me on where / how to rent a cell phone for a few weeks in Angeles City, coming in via Clark airport?

Thanks!

The good news is that I'm back in AC, the bad news is that I lost my phone with all the the girls I meet. I was able to find most of then but not one of my favorites. Of couse the first thing I did was to go to the bar she worked at which I did not know had move. One Eyed Wench has expanded and Treasure Island is now on Santo street. Talk to mamasan at there and Lollipop which has same owner to find out she is no longer there but it sounded like she is at another bar but they was not going to say which. The girl I am looking for is name Girlly but not sure if I spelled it properly. She would probably with her sister Gisele a cherry girl and friend form same province name Lillybeth. If anyone knows if there are still around AC at a differt bar please tell me because I would love to see them again.

[QUOTE=Dick Hertz;1283214]The good news is that I'm back in AC, the bad news is that I lost my phone with all the the girls I meet. I was able to find most of then but not one of my favorites. Of couse the first thing I did was to go to the bar she worked at which I did not know had move. One Eyed Wench has expanded and Treasure Island is now on Santo street. Talk to mamasan at there and Lollipop which has same owner to find out she is no longer there but it sounded like she is at another bar but they was not going to say which. The girl I am looking for is name Girlly but not sure if I spelled it properly. She would probably with her sister Gisele a cherry girl and friend form same province name Lillybeth. If anyone knows if there are still around AC at a differt bar please tell me because I would love to see them again.[/QUOTE]She may be working in another city or could be sponsored and out of the game so you might never find her. If you have and post a picture of the girl it may help.

Last night's delight. Marylou & Reychelle, a pair of 20 year old spinners from the Q club. Thunder & lighting outside and plenty of boom boom inside too. LOL

Todays lunch time treat; Justine. 18 years old. 4'10 and a wopping 31kg (68lbs). Another little spinner ST'd from Raymond St. (more pics in photo gallery)

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1283213]Fellas,

Unfortunately I'm short on time and having a lot of problems with the search function (not sure if this is related to the problem that seems to have renamed a lot of threads). Could someone fill me on where / how to rent a cell phone for a few weeks in Angeles City, coming in via Clark airport?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Why rent? What's the reason?

Go to any Nokia shop and buy a brand new Nokia 1280 for 880 php. Buy a SIM (60 php) and load 50 or 100 for 1000 php all up. You have a really strong little phone that you can use anywhere with other SIMs and it fits easily in the pocket. It also lasts around 3. 4 days on a single charge. I have 2 of them now they are so good and I always take one with me when I work anywhere in SE Asia and back in Australia too.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1283257]Why rent? What's the reason?

Go to any Nokia shop and buy a brand new Nokia 1280 for 880 php. Buy a SIM (60 php) and load 50 or 100 for 1000 php all up. You have a really strong little phone that you can use anywhere with other SIMs and it fits easily in the pocket. It also lasts around 3. 4 days on a single charge. I have 2 of them now they are so good and I always take one with me when I work anywhere in SE Asia and back in Australia too.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. That's exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Never been to Angeles before, but have been other parts of the PI. I'm assuming these shops abound in AC?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1283259]Thanks for the tip. That's exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Never been to Angeles before, but have been other parts of the PI. I'm assuming these shops abound in AC?[/QUOTE]Also Rick, one of the best things to do is go on Ebay and buy an UN-locked phone. That way, no matter what country you go into, you can buy one of their SIM cards and pay for minutes as you go. I have a couple that I use, in Mexico, and another for other countries.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1283265]Also Rick, one of the best things to do is go on Ebay and buy an UN-locked phone. That way, no matter what country you go into, you can buy one of their SIM cards and pay for minutes as you go. I have a couple that I use, in Mexico, and another for other countries.[/QUOTE]My method is way way easier than running the EBay route. You get a brand new cheap Nokia under warranty in your hand that works as soon as you step out of the shop and you can use it anywhere.
The only reason that you need a second phone is for texts to or from contacts, or an occasional call. Waste of time on EBAy to get a phone simply to do that. Anyway JMHO.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1283224]She may be working in another city or could be sponsored and out of the game so you might never find her. If you have and post a picture of the girl it may help.[/QUOTE]I have pictures but only on my home computer and not with me here. She was not special looking but did have a real nice ass though and give a great performance in the bed. Thanks for trying.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1283278]My method is way way easier than running the EBay route. You get a brand new cheap Nokia under warranty in your hand that works as soon as you step out of the shop and you can use it anywhere.

The only reason that you need a second phone is for texts to or from contacts, or an occasional call. Waste of time on EBAy to get a phone simply to do that. Anyway JMHO.[/QUOTE]Probably a lot of people thinks the only way to get a phone is through the "free" deals of the providers. Not coming for fee for sure, but locked to spend all your money with them too. Any brand / type of phone is available in phone shops and at a cost that is not a killer. Ideally one should buy one that shares the same battery charger plug of his main phone, making life easier in terms of battery recharge, adaptor, etc. One can then store all his monger if contacts in the second phone only, keeping it away from undesired eyes. Lots of phones have a camera and the photo of the girl can be linked to her profile in the phone book. Just remember to memorize all in the phone and not in the SIM card. These have a validity of appr 6months if not refilled or used by then. Not a big deal if you travel to the same country more often than once a year. Otherwise your sim card and phone number becomes void.

[QUOTE=Pip Jaeger; 1283179]Took a walk down Raymond St and found a tasty little morsel. 20 year old Josephine (yellow dress / more pics in the Photo Gallery) , at the Prince of Wales earlier in the day. During our ST session she told me that she also likes girls and we discussed everything that I like to do when I am with 2 girls. Josey said she's up for anything and that her gf. 18 year old Jessica fresh in from Cebu (2 weeks ago) , would be a good match up for us. I had her call Mama Lisa at the P of W and 'reserve' Jessica for us.

Fast forward to later in the evening. Josey and I went and picked up Jessica; LT'd both girls for 2, 800 pesos. This turned out to be one of the best 3somes I have had in years.

When I came out of the shower they were already going at it – 69'ing. 'Want get wet for you sir'. I dipped a finger into Jessica for a taste – strawberries are in most definitely in season here! As soon I hit the bed they began giving me a double BBBJ while I played with their little pussies with my fingers and a vibrator (a delightful new experience for Jessica). Moved on to Jessica mounting me cowgirl while Josy sat on my face.

We switched up for little while, then I spun Josey around to reverse CG, laid her back across me and had Jessica go down us. Nothing like having your balls licked and a tongue stroke your shaft during sex. This was new for both girls and I'm sure that they'll add it to their bag of tricks. Also did some pussy to mouth – Josey had already told Jessica that's one of the things I like and true to a good GFE girl she is, she did it on her own. Took me out of Josey, BJ'd for little while and like the good little girl she is – carefully put my cock back into Josey's soaking wet pussy. Swapped the girls around and kept on going, but this time Josey also took up the vibrator and began using it on herself. After she came Josey started using the vibrator on Jessica and me. Needless to say Jessica came soon and her cum leaked out onto my nuts – a real gusher – which Josey promptly cleaned up with her tongue.

We played around like this for while, changing positions and partners; taking one or the other K9 while they ate each other. I finished off giving Jessica a creampie which Josey went down and quickly lapped up. She of course shared it Jessica and they engaged in bit of snowballing, after which we collapsed and took a nap. Later on in the wee hours rounds 2 and 3 went pretty much the same way. My hearty thanks again to the makers of vitamin V!

Footnote: I was thinking of doing a repeat on Monday, but found out that Jessica got her period a few hours after we had finished (BTW, Mama Lisa warned me of this before we left the night before, but I decided to take my chances) – guess I'll just have to wait and come back again before heading home the end of next month. LOL[/QUOTE]Reading your post makes me really miss Raymond St. I have been lucky enough to find a few cute and young ones (18 and over) there, over the years. In general, I find these girls to be more nice and better GFE then the Fields bar girls. And for 1400 LT, what a deal. Blow row and Raymond street girls provide good service most of the time, but the girls on Fields look better, genearlly speaking. As for me, I am fine with the looks on Blow row and Raymond st when the girl are fresh off the boat and 18, tight pussy and willing to provide GFE.

When I come back to AC in 3 months, I will head over to Raymond. This time, I want to take pics and HD video. Question, when you take pics or HD of the girls, do you ask them? Or, just start taking pics? Do you pay them extra and / or discuss upfront you want to take pics. Also, do you have sex with them without condom? I tried this twice about 10 years ago on blow row, but I have not done it lately. I always have them give me a BJ with no condom, but I have not had sex with them without a condom lately. I assume that most of them will still have sex with no condom, but I have not asked. I was so close to doing that on my last trip with one girl from Raymond st. She was 18, 5 days on the job, short, slender, and a tight wet pussy! I was so close to doing it, but I got worried nd a chickened out. I guess I was worried because I have a long time 19 year old girlfriend in Manila so I did not want to catch something and then past it on to her.

Also, nice hotel room, which hotel is that?

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1283265]Also Rick, one of the best things to do is go on Ebay and buy an UN-locked phone. That way, no matter what country you go into, you can buy one of their SIM cards and pay for minutes as you go. I have a couple that I use, in Mexico, and another for other countries.[/QUOTE]That doesn't work for me a lot of the time, since I'm shipping out of Korea, traveling frequently to Japan, and unlocked GSM phones don't work there. Or vice versa.

I suppose it wouldn't hurt buying one for the brief trip to AC, but it may be just as easy to grab one in town.

Thanks for the help though

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1283469]That doesn't work for me a lot of the time, since I'm shipping out of Korea, traveling frequently to Japan, and unlocked GSM phones don't work there. Or vice versa.

I suppose it wouldn't hurt buying one for the brief trip to AC, but it may be just as easy to grab one in town.

Thanks for the help though[/QUOTE]G3 phones do work in Korea and Japan too, as well as in the rest of the world, of course.

I'm not going to argue about something like that. There are no GSM networks in South Korea or Japan. If you have a GSM phone with international roaming you can use it (for a premium) , but you can't get a SIM that will work on any local network, since they are 3G CDMA2000 800 MHz or 3G UMTS 2100 MHz. On top of that, the law in both countries requires every phone to be attached to a verified I'd. This means I'd, credit cards, etc, are required for rentals, prepaid phones and SIMs.

Some phones sold in the two countries can operate on GSM networks if you take them abroad.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1283414]Reading your post makes me really miss Raymond St. I have been lucky enough to find a few cute and young ones (18 and over) there, over the years. In general, I find these girls to be more nice and better GFE then the Fields bar girls. And for 1400 LT, what a deal. Blow row and Raymond street girls provide good service most of the time, but the girls on Fields look better, generally speaking. As for me, I am fine with the looks on Blow row and Raymond st when the girl are fresh off the boat and 18, tight pussy and willing to provide GFE.[/QUOTE]Even with my very limited experience here, I too feel the GFE service on Raymond St. Has been better than from the few girls whom I taken from Fields. But naturally YMMV. 1400 per girl for a minimum of 12 hours is truly a bargain in my book! Of course I usually take them for dinner or order up something for room service and will give them a tip (if the service warrants it) plus some chocolate. But even with the extras it's still a great deal.

[QUOTE]When I come back to AC in 3 months, I will head over to Raymond. This time, I want to take pics and HD video. Question, when you take pics or HD of the girls, do you ask them? Or, just start taking pics? Do you pay them extra and / or discuss upfront you want to take pics.[/QUOTE]I'm sure more experienced members here can give you better advice about this topic. For the ladies I've been with I have asked first, IMHO it is more respectful to do so. I haven't offered nor been asked, so far, for any extra pesos for the privilege of taking pics. I have started with them fully clothed. It seems to me that most Filipinas love having their pic taken and it kind of warms them up to the idea. As I'm doing that I joke with them about taking a few naughty pics,"just for me", LOL, and gauge their reaction.

[QUOTE]Also, do you have sex with them without condom? I tried this twice about 10 years ago on blow row, but I have not done it lately. I always have them give me a BJ with no condom, but I have not had sex with them without a condom lately. I assume that most of them will still have sex with no condom, but I have not asked. I was so close to doing that on my last trip with one girl from Raymond st. She was 18, 5 days on the job, short, slender, and a tight wet pussy! I was so close to doing it, but I got worried nd a chickened out. I guess I was worried because I have a long time 19 year old girlfriend in Manila so I did not want to catch something and then past it on to her.[/QUOTE]Much has been written here on the various threads about bareback sex with these girls and opinions vary from one end of the spectrum to the other. So, for what it's worth, this is my opinion. I prefer bareback and for me the benefit outweighs the risks. From RTTF and other sources I have gathered that the risk of HIV / Aids here in the Philippines is so low as not to be a concern for me. For your other STD's most, if not all, can be quickly cured if detected early. I carry a couple of "Z-Packs" (Google it) and I will probably use one when I leave here as a preventive measure. I know the girls are supposedly checked weekly for STD's and that offers some comfort. Your concern for your gf is justified, but I guess it boils down to personal preference.

[QUOTE]Also, nice hotel room, which hotel is that?[/QUOTE]I'll PM you the hotel info. For privacy reasons prefer not to post my exact location when I am still there. I will post a review of my hotel next week from Cebu.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1283646]I'm not going to argue about something like that. There are no GSM networks in South Korea or Japan. If you have a GSM phone with international roaming you can use it (for a premium) , but you can't get a SIM that will work on any local network, since they are 3G CDMA2000 800 MHz or 3G UMTS 2100 MHz. On top of that, the law in both countries requires every phone to be attached to a verified I'd. This means I'd, credit cards, etc, are required for rentals, prepaid phones and SIMs.

Some phones sold in the two countries can operate on GSM networks if you take them abroad.[/QUOTE]My experience is that it is not a matter of SIM card, but of phone set.

I had a blackberry, non G3, that didn't work even with a local Japanese SIM. I then got a 3G blackberry, or any other 3G phone, will do too as once I borrowed one, and it worked with my own (european) SIM card in both countries.

[QUOTE=Pip Jaeger; 1283658]Even with my very limited experience here, I too feel the GFE service on Raymond St. Has been better than from the few girls whom I taken from Fields. But naturally YMMV. 1400 per girl for a minimum of 12 hours is truly a bargain in my book! Of course I usually take them for dinner or order up something for room service and will give them a tip (if the service warrants it) plus some chocolate. But even with the extras it's still a great deal.

I'm sure more experienced members here can give you better advice about this topic. For the ladies I've been with I have asked first, IMHO it is more respectful to do so. I haven't offered nor been asked, so far, for any extra pesos for the privilege of taking pics. I have started with them fully clothed. It seems to me that most Filipinas love having their pic taken and it kind of warms them up to the idea. As I'm doing that I joke with them about taking a few naughty pics,"just for me", LOL, and gauge their reaction.

Much has been written here on the various threads about bareback sex with these girls and opinions vary from one end of the spectrum to the other. So, for what it's worth, this is my opinion. I prefer bareback and for me the benefit outweighs the risks. From RTTF and other sources I have gathered that the risk of HIV / Aids here in the Philippines is so low as not to be a concern for me. For your other STD's most, if not all, can be quickly cured if detected early. I carry a couple of "Z-Packs" (Google it) and I will probably use one when I leave here as a preventive measure. I know the girls are supposedly checked weekly for STD's and that offers some comfort. Your concern for your gf is justified, but I guess it boils down to personal preference.

I'll PM you the hotel info. For privacy reasons prefer not to post my exact location when I am still there. I will post a review of my hotel next week from Cebu.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for your reponse, it has really helped me. I will take your advice about the pics. I agree with your comments about food and tips, as I always taken the same approach. I have a new 720p HD spy pen with sound that works great. I plan to use it when I go to AC. I will just put it in the pen cup holder with the other pencils and pens, and place it on the table facing the bed. I has about 60 minutes of record time, so enough to get the first hour of sex and fun. The HD pen looks just like a regular pen. On my last trip to Manila, I used the HD spy key chain with my older long time girlfirend. I placed it next to the bed, and she never noticed it was a recorder. I obtained great footage of the wonderful sex we had. I only mentioned this because, some girls may not like me taking a video of sex with them. And, if they allowed it, they may not perform in a relaxed manner. Therefore, I will bypass aksing to take video and just use the spy pen and spy key chain. I will certainly ask to take their pics. Thanks again for the info!

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1284001]Thanks so much for your reponse, it has really helped me. I will take your advice about the pics. I agree with your comments about food and tips, as I always taken the same approach. I have a new 720p HD spy pen with sound that works great. I plan to use it when I go to AC. I will just put it in the pen cup holder with the other pencils and pens, and place it on the table facing the bed. I has about 60 minutes of record time, so enough to get the first hour of sex and fun. The HD pen looks just like a regular pen. On my last trip to Manila, I used the HD spy key chain with my older long time girlfirend. I placed it next to the bed, and she never noticed it was a recorder. I obtained great footage of the wonderful sex we had. I only mentioned this because, some girls may not like me taking a video of sex with them. And, if they allowed it, they may not perform in a relaxed manner. Therefore, I will bypass aksing to take video and just use the spy pen and spy key chain. I will certainly ask to take their pics. Thanks again for the info![/QUOTE]These sound great, how do I get one of these.

Thanks.

Chris

It sounds pretty unethical to me.

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1284032]These sound great, how do I get one of these.

Thanks.

Chris[/QUOTE]Made by a company named Swann. There is a place online that has several stores in California named Frys. Beware, lots of fakes out there and the quality is shit. Stick with Swann products, I always have and I have used other Swann products having to do with my job. Best of all, the price is only around $100, plus the price of a mirco card. Check out YouTube for a demo. Just type Swann 720p HD spy cam. Beware, go with the new model which is 720p HD, not the old model. Also, you can see the many spy cam key chains on YouTube. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1284183]Made by a company named Swann. Beware, lots of fakes out there and the quality is shit. Stick with Swann products, I always have and I have used other Swann products having to do with my job. Best of all, the price is only around $100, plus the price of a mirco card. Just type Swann 720p HD spy cam. Beware, go with the new model which is 720p HD, not the old model. Have fun![/QUOTE]What a great gadget. The sound quality is not great, but over all it is a very good product. Amazon is selling it for $80 and SanDisk 16g micro SDHC memory card is $13 extra. I can't wait to try mine out at the Lisboa Racetrack in Macau.

I visited every bar on Fields Av in February so here is a map I compiled as well as a list of my TOP TEN BARS. Apologies for the delay in posting but I've had computer troubles, plus I've been writing a 60+ page diary (which I will probably post on these pages at a later date). To come up with my ten favourite bars was difficult because there are so many great bars and factors to consider. My advice is to visit as many as possible as great girls can be found everywhere (all prices correct Feb12).

MY TOP TEN BARS IN ANGELES:

1. ATLANTIS: The biggest bar is ATLANTIS, with 100+ girls each night and the easily the highest number of good lookers. The bar-fine is 1800 or 3000 depending on the girl. A&8200; definite must-see and unlike its SuperClub competitors Dollhouse and Forbidden City, there is no pressure to buy lady-drinks. Atlantis is window-shopping at its best and you even get a bowl of pop-corn with your drink.

2. TYPHOON: A much cosier venue, Typhoon has lots of young girls squeezed on to a thin stage in the middle of the bar. To take a girl away you buy her a 2000 bottle of 'Party Animal'. A good bet for very pretty girls. Every few minutes the girls take a step to the left which and like all Pasha Group bars the girls parade around the bar after they leave the stage. Meaning you get a great view of the girls. I bar-fined a gorgeous girl from here with the cutest face and sexiest body imaginable (who was happy to pose naked afterwards).

3. BODY SHOP: A new bar for me this trip, located just along from Tropix, opposite Orchid Inn. It doesn't look too promising from the outside (no flashy signs or screaming hello girls) but it has a great atmosphere inside with lots of pretty girls having lots of fun. Bar-fine is 1800.

4. CAROUSEL: Plenty of girls and a unique layout as the dancers stand on a rotating stage which means you get a great look at all of the girls. 80+ girls and some cute waitresses too. Lots of pretty girls can be found here. 'Bar-fine' is a 2000 bottle of Party Animal.

5. PONY TAILS is located at the start of Perimeter Road (a three minute walk from the Fields Avenue 'Walking Street' sign). It opens early so is perhaps one of the best bets for afternoon action (bar-fine 1500/1800). I bar-fined perhaps the prettiest girl of my trip from here on my penultimate night. I wish I had discovered it earlier!

6. INSOMNIA: When a manager of another bar recommends Insomnia as 'the best bar in Angeles' it must be good! The bar is located near Hotel Natalia and has lots of pretty girls and the best bet if you're a boob-lover like me. The stage is in the middle but try to sit on the left-hand side when you walk in. Great atmosphere. Bar-fine is 1865 pesos.

7. DRAGON'S DEN: Near the end of Fields Av, Dragon's Den is in the same block as Club Asia and Emperor's Lounge. Dragon's Den is my favourite of the three as it has nice girls and good shows. There is a two-tiered bar-fine of 1800/3000 but some of the 1800 girls are very pretty (I took a beautiful 'hello girl' from here for 1800 pesos who loved watching porn between pops.

8. CRYSTAL PALACE: This place is very popular and always packed as a result. 80+ girls, all young, many pretty with a two tier 1800/3000 bar-fine. One disadvantage is that the girls don't move around the stage very much so you only see those stood at the front. Resulting in a heaving mass of young flesh on the stage (not the worst criticism that could be levelled at a bar!). Bar-fined a really sexy girl from here who was a tiger in the bedroom.

9. LOLLIPOP: A lot of the bars I've mentioned are the bigger bars but it's always worth going on a bar-crawl and visiting the small bars too. They might have less girls but they often have a relaxed atmosphere. But most of all, gems can be found at very cheap prices. I saw one of the prettiest girls of my whole trip in Lollipop and the barfine is just 1600 (nearly half the price of a girl of a similar standard in Atlantis for example).

10. ONE EYED WENCH: Halfway down Fields, One Eyed Wench is located down a narrow corridor near Lancelot. There are normally some very pretty 'hello girls' outside luring you in. The bar-fine here is just 1500 pesos, making it one of the best value bars on Fields Avenue. There are some very pretty girls.

Other bars: It was extremely difficult for me to come up with a top ten because there are so many great bars but here are a few more that I enjoyed:

- BLUE&8200; NILE: BF1800/2000/2500. Another bar I'd recommend. Girls dance on a stage which raises up and the most expensive girls are those dancing on the tables. I bar-fined a girl from here for 2000 pesos who gave me the best sex I've ever had (she'd wake me up in the middle of the night for another session!).

- GENESIS: BF2000. Stage in middle of room surrounded by seats. Girls move about the stage, giving customers a good view. Some very pretty girls here. Bar-fined a really sweet girl from here.

- CAMBODIA: BF1800. This didn't impress me on my previous visit but now they have more girls (about 50) and some pretty ones too. Popular with ex-pats this place has a great atmosphere and the girls clap whenever a customer walks in, a nice touch I think. I tried to bar-fine a pretty girl called Jane from Leyte but she was on her 'mens'. Some very nice girls.

- QBAR: BF1800 SM95. Formerly Shark, only 12 girls were dancing but they put a lot of effort in and the place had a great atmosphere. Like all small bars, definitely worth visiting as there are some pretty girls to be found.

- LOVE N MUSIC: BF2000/3000. A very smart layout, looking like a high-class bar. The girls are similarly classy, wearing elegant dresses instead of bikinis. On both my visits there were only four girls dancing but about ten were sat on the sidelines. Quality of girls seemed very good although the place lacked atmosphere (maybe one to visit after 10/11pm).

- LA BAMBA: BF1800. A small bar with a cosy layout, this place is busy with customers and there is a really fun and friendly atmosphere. 15 girls were dancing when I visited including a few pretty ones. Another of the smaller bars that is definitely worth visiting.

- DOLLHOUSE: BF2000/3000. This place has a circular stage surrounded by tiered seating. It's a mixed bag. There are some pretty girls and they often have catwalk shows but a big downside is that Dollhouse is easily the worst bar on Fields Avenue when it comes to being pressured in to buying lady-drinks. Some lovely girls and I bar-fined a really cute and innocent girl from here for 3000 pesos.

Like I said, I visted every bar on Fields Avenue and there were many pretty girls, even in bars I haven't listed. I recommend starting early and visiting five or six bars per night, returning to your favourite to bar-fine the girl you liked most. Good luck and I hope my map is helpful.

Lancelot

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1284234]What a great gadget. The sound quality is not great, but over all it is a very good product. Amazon is selling it for $80 and SanDisk 16g micro SDHC memory card is $13 extra. I can't wait to try mine out at the Lisboa Racetrack in Macau.[/QUOTE]BEWARE! Amazon has sold fake Swann Pencams. How do I know, I purchased one about a year ago. It was a cheap fake from Hong Kong. I know Swann products and know it always come in a Swann box, with quality instructions, etc. This cam came in a bag. It took me 5 weeks to get a refund. Buy a pencam from Amazon at your own risk. My advice, pay $20 more and buy from FRYS online, and you can rest assured that it is a legit product from FRYS.

The sound quality on my Swann spy pencam is pretty good, considering the mic is micro in the pen. When u play back, you sould be able to hear pretty good (which depends on your play back method). As for me, I take my lap top with me on trips. I record using the pen, download to my laptop, view the video on my lap top, and also save to my laptop. The pen is recharged by plug into your USB port on your laptop. I have been to Lisboa Racetrack and the pen will work well. My advice, is to sit in the cafe facing the door where the girls walk by and let the pencam do its duty. Or, u can put the pen in your shirt pocket and walk around there, but the picture will shake. Try what workes for you. I have also taken the pencam to Thailand to the MP there. I find that the spy key chain works better form the stand point of not being noticed. It is easy to sit the key chain, with a few keys on it, on the table facing the bed. Put your other items next to it like some coins, etc. Make it seem like you just took some stuff out of your pants pocket and laid it on the table. Of course, do not forget to take it with you when u leave. There are 100s of ways the spy cams can be used. Have fun!

You guys are reminding me of the dude who got jailed, and nearly disappeared, in Pakistan for several months after customers officers at the border noticed that his watch had a micro spy cam inside of it and accused him of being a spy.

22 year old Sally. 5' and about 33kgs from Club Asia. Despite the sexy tongue piercing and the high EWR (2, 500 pesos) Sally turned out to be somewhat of a disappointment. Her oral skills weren't that great and after a few minutes of cowgirl I got the 'I tired, you dribe' routine. At that point I said to myself: 'self – I'll bet she'll want to go early too'. And sure enough a little later she came up with some bola bola about her kid (said she didn't have any kids when I asked her in the bar) and wanted to take off at around 4am. Needless to say, she left with only trike fare and seemed happy to get that.

18 year old Marylou (on the left) and 20 year old Reychelle from the 'Q' club; both are 4'11 and about 32/34 kgs. As far as 3some's go this one was good, not great, just good. Had them do a double BBBJ and then took turns. As soon as one said 'I tired', I said 'switch', LOL – and so went it for a couple of hours. No girl on girl action, but I knew this before I paid the EWR. I just couldn't make up my mind which one I wanted, so when in doubt – take them both! A quickie in the morning and then back to sleep to rest up for later.

For my last day in AC I took out Josiphine and Jessica again, this time for 24 hours. I was just going to take Josey again and perhaps find another girl, but when I called Mama Lisa she told that Jessica was ready again. Apparently she's one of those girls who have a three day period or the whole thing about getting her period was just bola bola – you never know; and frankly I don't care.

Picked them up at around 7pm and went over to the Swiss Chalet for dinner. The food there is very good (I also went for lunch there twice) ; I had the pork Wiener schnitzel with spaetzle (highly recommended if you like that kind of food) and the girls both had spaghetti. With soft drinks I think the total was just under 1, 000 pesos. Going off on a tangent here – any of you other guys notice how much these girls can eat? I mean they put away what I would estimate to be around 12oz of pasta before I had even finished one cutlet. On some other occasions with other girls it was the same thing – little Justine sucked up a huge amount of Pork Sisig, together with about a cup and a half of rice like it was nothing!

Anyhow, back to Josey and Jessica. After dinner it was back to the hotel for a few hours of fun and a late night swim as well as a bit of fun in the hot tub too. The next morning I woke up facing Jessica – so I let her start off chopping the morning wood. After our session we went down to the pool for a while and had lunch in the hotel Resto. These girls were like water rats, man did they love the pool and along with a few mango / pineapple shakes it was a good day. Back up to the room later in the afternoon for a few more hours of fun before sending them back to Mama Lisa at the Prince of Wales.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1284450]You guys are reminding me of the dude who got jailed, and nearly disappeared, in Pakistan for several months after customers officers at the border noticed that his watch had a micro spy cam inside of it and accused him of being a spy.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, but I have no plans to go to Pakistan.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1284075]It sounds pretty unethical to me.[/QUOTE]I'll leave aside the ethical issues and comment only about the legal aspects. In the US, it is illegal to make an audio recording of someone without their knowledge. You'll find many products that make video recording only to avoid that problem. It's also illegal to make lewd video recordings of someone without their knowledge, such as upskirt shots or hiding a camera in a bathroom. People get prosecuted for this all the time. And for God's sake don't take any lewd or even provocative shots of minors. It's not illegal to take lewd video of yourself, of course. As I understand it, it's a legal gray area to take video of sex acts with yourself and another person in the same frame when they don't have prior knowledge. Getting permission is best, of course.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1284585]Thanks for the info, but I have no plans to go to Pakistan.[/QUOTE]Maybe you should listen to what people are trying to tell you. If you ever get caught by phil customs you are fucked. You realise its ILIGAL to take nude photos of filipinas. Those devices if found will mean that you get searched far more thorough then if you had just a cam with you. Anyway I am sure the advice will fall on deaf ears so good luck anyway

I think the odds of 'phil customs' checking some random tourist's digital content without cause is pretty low. But just to be safe, I suggest ALL Punters move their digital content to the cloud or encrypt it on your computer before leaving the country.

[QUOTE=Pip Jaeger;1284560]22 year old Sally. 5' and about 33kgs from Club Asia. Despite the sexy tongue piercing and the high EWR (2, 500 pesos) Sally turned out to be somewhat of a disappointment. Her oral skills weren't that great and after a few minutes of cowgirl I got the 'I tired, you dribe' routine. At that point I said to myself: 'self – I'll bet she'll want to go early too'. And sure enough a little later she came up with some bola bola about her kid (said she didn't have any kids when I asked her in the bar) and wanted to take off at around 4am. Needless to say, she left with only trike fare and seemed happy to get that.[/QUOTE]Crikey, kind of the same thing happened to me with a girl I took out of Club Asia. We were getting along nicely in the bar and after I bar fined her, I took her to Atlantis to see the show and have a few more shots. Everything looked good and I was expecting another fun AC night. But then back in my hotel room, after our first shag which was ok - not great, but ok (soapy shower, BBBJ, and BBFS in multiple positions), she started getting phone calls from a girlfriend like every 10 minutes. After the 4th or 5th phone call, I even talked to the girlfriend and told her that Edsel was working and not to call again. But the calls continued after another 10 minutes or so. Edsel then meekly asked if she could go and meet her friend who was apparently waiting for her somewhere. At this point, I thought it was a good idea and I said sure, Go! I did not want her anymore.

I remember a tip Westcoast made a while back: that as soon as you return to your hotel room, either tell the girl to turn off her cell or to hand it over to be placed in the room safe until morning. I never needed to do this before. Edsel was my first and so far only runner. She was also the most expensive EWR I ever paid in AC (3000p) and the worst Philippine bar girl I ever had to date. Definately a girl to avoid even though she was real pretty and the first round was ok. But, I guess I was overdue for a lemon. One in twenty five is not a bad stat.

They have some very cute girls in Club Asia, but your post Pip, makes me think this is more than a problem with one individual girl. I think Club Asia may be a rip off joint. I don't know for sure.

I'm headed to Angeles City on 29 June for a week and have been RTFF to catch up on what's going on. I keep seeing references to "Perimeter Road". Where is that? Does it go by another name? If anyone will be there during the same timeframe and would like to meet up, shoot me a note.

GE

[QUOTE=Wazoo;1284607]I'll leave aside the ethical issues and comment only about the legal aspects. In the US, it is illegal to make an audio recording of someone without their knowledge. You'll find many products that make video recording only to avoid that problem. It's also illegal to make lewd video recordings of someone without their knowledge, such as upskirt shots or hiding a camera in a bathroom. People get prosecuted for this all the time. And for God's sake don't take any lewd or even provocative shots of minors. It's not illegal to take lewd video of yourself, of course. As I understand it, it's a legal gray area to take video of sex acts with yourself and another person in the same frame when they don't have prior knowledge. Getting permission is best, of course.[/QUOTE]Ok, let's take a step back for a few seconds and think about a few important points. First, this is a site men come to (including yourself) to learn where to go to pay for sex with women. In this case, it is the Philippines. Paying for sex with women in the Philippines is not legal (and yes the police are paid off to look the other way, but it is still not legal). Based on the fact you are here on this site and you have postings about the Philippines, we can assume you have paid for (or intend to pay for) sex with women in the Philippines. Thus, you (or non of us) are in any position to advice others about not breaking laws.

Second. For those of you who have moral issues about using spy equipment, you are at the wrong website to express your moral outrage. Many folks around the world would look at the fact that you are at a site with the intent to find locations where you can go to pay for sex (with women in a 3rd world country) and conclude you are a person without any moral or basic human values. Anyone who needs to post their moral values here, should first give up their membership to this website.

Third. we are all adults here. No need to advice other adult men on what you think they should or should not do. Or, attempt to advice us about not using the spy cam on minors. As adults males, we really do already know this stuff. If using spy equipment is not right for you, then that is fine. But no need to preach to others about the sins of using it. I do not like anal sex with women, but I will never tell another guy he should not do it for legal or moral grounds. It is his choice. He does not need me preaching to him about why he should not do it, at least not at this website named International Sex Guide.

And lastly, I assume as adults males on this website, most have common sense. Therefore, I did not feel the need to advice adult males not to display spy cam equipment when trying to enter a country. Most men with common sense would know they need to pack it. Or, not to use the spy cam on minors, becareful where they store the data, or put a jacket on when it is cold outside, etc. Telling other adult men to be careful of this and that, is like the warning label on the hair dryer which reads something like this....do not use this hair dryer while taking a bath.

P.S. Most would agree that western governments are experts at syping and they do it with no moral or legal concerns. Companies access your data without you knowing it and that is a form of spying. Simply stated, it is the world we live in.

[QUOTE=Great Expecta; 1284743]I'm headed to Angeles City on 29 June for a week and have been RTFF to catch up on what's going on. I keep seeing references to "Perimeter Road". Where is that? Does it go by another name? If anyone will be there during the same timeframe and would like to meet up, shoot me a note.

GE[/QUOTE]Also known as Don Juico Ave. From Fields Ave just head west, along the same road from about the friendship jeepney terminal you are now on Perimeter.

[quote=undercoverh;1284790]third. we are all adults here. no need to advice other adult men on what you think they should or should not do.[/quote]hey, no moral outrage here. as you say, we are all grownups. i'm just clarifying the law in the us so that members can make their own calculation about risk / benefit and take necessary precautions to clean up afterwards. we all need to know what is and isn't legal so we can make an informed decision. i drive over the speed limit all the time, and because i do that, i want to know what the speed limit actually is on any given road and how often it is patrolled. a friend of mine got caught up in a raid in a massage parlor in the states. there was no evidence so the cops had to let him go. until they noticed the spy cam in his gym bag.

[QUOTE=Pip Jaeger;1284560]22 year old Sally. 5' and about 33kgs from Club Asia. Despite the sexy tongue piercing and the high EWR (2, 500 pesos) Sally turned out to be somewhat of a disappointment. Her oral skills weren't that great and after a few minutes of cowgirl I got the 'I tired, you dribe' routine. At that point I said to myself: 'self – I'll bet she'll want to go early too'. And sure enough a little later she came up with some bola bola about her kid (said she didn't have any kids when I asked her in the bar) and wanted to take off at around 4am. Needless to say, she left with only trike fare and seemed happy to get that.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the reports and especially Club Asia. This bar seems to bar fine a lot of their women out nightly but my experience is that they have a tendency to lie here more so than the average bar girl. I think their lighting in the bar is deceptive. I won't bother with specifics, but use your imagination. When they consider most of their women working there as spotlights or what not where they have a higher barfine than average across Fields, and then the women and the club plays games, it just makes it a riskier proposition.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1284338]I visited every bar on Fields Av in February so here is a map I compiled as well as a list of my TOP TEN BARS.

Lancelot[/QUOTE]Outstanding report, sir! I am saving this one to my cell phone to use for reference. This one deserves to go in the Reports of Distinction.

I was at AC last week for 4 days first night went to Camelot barfined Joyce a nice girl with a hot body new girl only work in bar for week, some korean broke her cherry a week before no BJ and very shy, after one pop she want to leave to pick up something from her girl friend she told me she be back in one hr and never did, I went back to the bar the next night and compain to the mamasan she said after you pop no refund but I ask the girl in front of he mamasan that she will stay until 8 am in the morning and I ask to talk to the manager she said not avalible.

I order a drink and ask the waitress very nice girl who is the manager I told her what happen last night and she was there when I ask joyce she will stay all night and I give the waitress a nice tip, she bring over the manager big daddy a aussie a very nice guy and told him what happen and he talk to the girl and the waitress and refund the girl comission 825 p back to me the barfined are 1900 p and I barfined the waitress for the night she is a GFE and stay all night until 9am the next morning so for all you newbie don't give in to the bar girl that lie to you and don't talk to the mamasan they don't give a shit and will help the girl and tip the girl if she stay all night and give good service.

Fast Eddie 48

Quick question! Do wg hang out in the hotels like in Costa Rica at the Del Ray? And I'm staying at the abc, but considering the lgh. Which one of those would be the best move? Also can you negotiate the price of a barfine?

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1284842]I was at AC last week for 4 days first night went to Camelot barfined Joyce a nice girl with a hot body new girl only work in bar for week, some korean broke her cherry a week before no BJ and very shy, after one pop she want to leave to pick up something from her girl friend she told me she be back in one hr and never did, I went back to the bar the next night and compain to the mamasan she said after you pop no refund but I ask the girl in front of he mamasan that she will stay until 8 am in the morning and I ask to talk to the manager she said not avalible.

I order a drink and ask the waitress very nice girl who is the manager I told her what happen last night and she was there when I ask joyce she will stay all night and I give the waitress a nice tip, she bring over the manager big daddy a aussie a very nice guy and told him what happen and he talk to the girl and the waitress and refund the girl comission 825 p back to me the barfined are 1900 p and I barfined the waitress for the night she is a GFE and stay all night until 9am the next morning so for all you newbie don't give in to the bar girl that lie to you and don't talk to the mamasan they don't give a shit and will help the girl and tip the girl if she stay all night and give good service.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]I am happy read someone got justice with these runners on Fields ave. I had my first runner 14 years ago on Fields ave, I guess much has not changed there. For sure, the girls know when they are talking to us and making the promise they will stay, they intend to leave sooner than the agreed time. I am always surprised how the girls can be so sweet and sexy in the bar then back in the room change. If I wanted sex problems, I would stay home with my wife, no need to travel to AC to get it.

But, I have found a solution. Over the years, I have tried Fields, Prem Road, Raymond St, and Blowrow (and dating regular girls there I find from the dating websites for the AC. I have not had a runner yet from Raymond St and Blowrow (A. Santos Street) in the past 6 years (that must be a worlds record). I go to AC at least 2 to 3 times a year on 2 or 4 day trips. I like that on Raymond and A. Santos, the minimum time is set at 12 hours by the bar, not the girl. You pay 1200 to 1400 to the mama, and you get at least 12 hours, stated up front. Which includes a BBBJ, and at least 2 pops. Bare back sex is up to the girl. Nevertheless, I always show the girl the time on my cell phone and we agree what time she will leave me at night or in the morning. When I pay, I also tell the mama, with the girl standing there, the time we agreed she would leave. I also say in a nice in kidding way,"ok, if she leaves early, I am coming back for a big refund." The mama will laugh and say "no problem with girl sir."

Also, I guess it helps that I am a regular customer on Santos and Raymond st. I normally sit and talk with the mama, buy her a drink. There is one mama on Raymond St that is old, but she does not wear a bra under her top, and her tits have a sexy little point on them. I normally play with mama with mama and hug her when I see her (so I can feel her tits against me). Ok, I know this is, well, weird, but it gets me hard and ready for the younger girls. I never asked mama out for a ST, maybe I will in the future. I know she was a bar girl when she was young and her pussy has been worked over, but sometimes I am in a funny mood.

Years ago, I started to bypass Fields because of the runners. I thought I would give it a try again on my next trip, but after reading your report, maybe I will stick with my old good hangouts. When I have a runner, I have a bad mood all night and the next morning. From the post here, other guys have had good results with Santos and Raymond st. These little bars are basic and they can only keep customers coming back because of service and low price for sex. I am sold on the concept! I will visit Fields for the shows and check out the girls dancing, get a few feels. But I will leave the sex stuff to the pros on Raymond and Santos street.

If you want to check out Raymond St., go to you tube and copy and past the following "hookers in the Philippines=Raymond St.MTS" this will give u an idea of the girls. however, the selection will change often, the girls come and go.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1284986]I am happy read someone got justice with these runners on Fields ave. I had my first runner 14 years ago on Fields ave, I guess much has not changed there. For sure, the girls know when they are talking to us and making the promise they will stay, they intend to leave sooner than the agreed time. I am always surprised how the girls can be so sweet and sexy in the bar then back in the room change. If I wanted sex problems, I would stay home with my wife, no need to travel to AC to get it.[/QUOTE]AC has full of runners these days.

A week ago, I barfined one from Cambodia who promised to stay until morning. She also insited she was so horny that night.

However, I was quite nervous due to recent increasing number of crooked barfine experience.

After eating, we went back to room and the nightmare started.

There in the room, she started acting with attitude and was totally different girl from the one I saw in the bar.

After sensing this, I immediately fought back by telling her "What the hell is wrong with you? I am taking you back to the bar to get my FULL MONEY back! NOW!"

And I was serious to do that as I did several times in the past.

To my surprise, she started getting scared of my plan, and apologized but I insisted.

She insisted back by begging me not to do that (hun, maybe she has a strict mama-san or whatever).

It was funny after the argument, she immediately went to take shower and came back telling "OK you fuck me now."

She was quite subimissive sinc then.

I was in a confused moond but fucked her 3 times as hard as I could.

She left about 10 in the next morning.

Just one advice:

Yes as long as you don't fuck her, you can get full refund from the bar.

On many occasions, you can tell thing are not going well as promised before you fuck the girl.

It is also a very good idea to joke around with Mama-san that your girl promised all night in order to make the refund process smooth.

I did it several times from several bars in AC. On all cases, I got full refund.

Don't shy away and fight for your hard-earned money.

Chute

[QUOTE=Great Expecta; 1284743]I'm headed to Angeles City on 29 June for a week and have been RTFF to catch up on what's going on. I keep seeing references to "Perimeter Road". Where is that? Does it go by another name? If anyone will be there during the same timeframe and would like to meet up, shoot me a note.

GE[/QUOTE]Go to Wayne's AC map.

If you go up to ABC hotel and continue, you are entering perimeter road. You can see a fence on the right side. There are many bars spaced out. Easy to walk in the daytime but better to use trike at night.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1285031]Go to Wayne's AC map.

If you go up to ABC hotel and continue, you are entering perimeter road. You can see a fence on the right side. There are many bars spaced out. Easy to walk in the daytime but better to use trike at night.[/QUOTE]Try this website I once used it when I visited Angeles City 2 months ago

[url]http://philippines.adultsearch.com/angeles-city/[/url]

They have a huge list with pictures and location. Nice website

[QUOTE=Chute; 1285012]AC has full of runners these days.

A week ago, I barfined one from Cambodia who promised to stay until morning. She also insited she was so horny that night.

However, I was quite nervous due to recent increasing number of crooked barfine experience.

After eating, we went back to room and the nightmare started.

There in the room, she started acting with attitude and was totally different girl from the one I saw in the bar.

After sensing this, I immediately fought back by telling her "What the hell is wrong with you? I am taking you back to the bar to get my FULL MONEY back! NOW!"

And I was serious to do that as I did several times in the past.

To my surprise, she started getting scared of my plan, and apologized but I insisted.

She insisted back by begging me not to do that (hun, maybe she has a strict mama-san or whatever).

It was funny after the argument, she immediately went to take shower and came back telling "OK you fuck me now."

She was quite subimissive sinc then.

I was in a confused moond but fucked her 3 times as hard as I could.

She left about 10 in the next morning.

Just one advice:

Yes as long as you don't fuck her, you can get full refund from the bar.

On many occasions, you can tell thing are not going well as promised before you fuck the girl.

It is also a very good idea to joke around with Mama-san that your girl promised all night in order to make the refund process smooth.

I did it several times from several bars in AC. On all cases, I got full refund.

Don't shy away and fight for your hard-earned money.

Chute[/QUOTE]Good advice. I guess the key is to not only pick a girl you like in the bar, but also establish a friendly working relathionship with the mama. This will be noticed by the girl you barfine and will help with refunds, before the deed is done. I like the fact that your girl changed her mood once you showed her you were serious about going back to the bar. That shows me these girls will act with a attitude if they can get away with it, plus leave early, if they can get away with it.

If I go to Fields, I will try your approach. But, for me, the mood is really spoiled if I have to fight with the girl about sex, leaving early, want to stop having sex because she is tired, or having a bad attitude. All of this reminds me of my wife. LOL. On my next trip, I will get laid on Raymond or Santos during the day (they are open 24 hours a day) , then try a Fields girl at night. I will give Fields one more try. If I get bad service, I will write a letter to the mayor about the poor quality of girls in his city! LOL

[QUOTE=Chute; 1285012]AC has full of runners these days.

A week ago, I barfined one from Cambodia who promised to stay until morning. She also insited she was so horny that night.

However, I was quite nervous due to recent increasing number of crooked barfine experience.

After eating, we went back to room and the nightmare started.

There in the room, she started acting with attitude and was totally different girl from the one I saw in the bar.

After sensing this, I immediately fought back by telling her "What the hell is wrong with you? I am taking you back to the bar to get my FULL MONEY back! NOW!"

And I was serious to do that as I did several times in the past.

To my surprise, she started getting scared of my plan, and apologized but I insisted.

She insisted back by begging me not to do that (hun, maybe she has a strict mama-san or whatever).

It was funny after the argument, she immediately went to take shower and came back telling "OK you fuck me now."

She was quite subimissive sinc then.

I was in a confused moond but fucked her 3 times as hard as I could.

She left about 10 in the next morning.

Just one advice:

Yes as long as you don't fuck her, you can get full refund from the bar.

On many occasions, you can tell thing are not going well as promised before you fuck the girl.

It is also a very good idea to joke around with Mama-san that your girl promised all night in order to make the refund process smooth.

I did it several times from several bars in AC. On all cases, I got full refund.

Don't shy away and fight for your hard-earned money.

Chute[/QUOTE]To Chute,

I agree never back down to this girl from Camelot I did bang her one time because she lie to me twice and so did the mamasan, the manager big daddy told me he want to teach the girl a lesson not to lie to customer he refund even I didn't demand a refund, I just want to take another girl and paid half the barfine so if you guy don't want a runner go to Camelot pick a girl made her promise she will stay all night in front of big daddy made sure that you buy him a drink, there are some very cute girl there for 1900 p some of this girl can go for 3000 p at crystal palace easy.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1284986]I am happy read someone got justice with these runners on Fields ave. I had my first runner 14 years ago on Fields ave, I guess much has not changed there. For sure, the girls know when they are talking to us and making the promise they will stay, they intend to leave sooner than the agreed time. I am always surprised how the girls can be so sweet and sexy in the bar then back in the room change. If I wanted sex problems, I would stay home with my wife, no need to travel to AC to get it.

But, I have found a solution. Over the years, I have tried Fields, Prem Road, Raymond St, and Blowrow (and dating regular girls there I find from the dating websites for the AC. I have not had a runner yet from Raymond St and Blowrow (A. Santos Street) in the past 6 years (that must be a worlds record). I go to AC at least 2 to 3 times a year on 2 or 4 day trips. I like that on Raymond and A. Santos, the minimum time is set at 12 hours by the bar, not the girl. You pay 1200 to 1400 to the mama, and you get at least 12 hours, stated up front. Which includes a BBBJ, and at least 2 pops. Bare back sex is up to the girl. Nevertheless, I always show the girl the time on my cell phone and we agree what time she will leave me at night or in the morning. When I pay, I also tell the mama, with the girl standing there, the time we agreed she would leave. I also say in a nice in kidding way,"ok, if she leaves early, I am coming back for a big refund." The mama will laugh and say "no problem with girl sir."

Also, I guess it helps that I am a regular customer on Santos and Raymond st. I normally sit and talk with the mama, buy her a drink. There is one mama on Raymond St that is old, but she does not wear a bra under her top, and her tits have a sexy little point on them. I normally play with mama with mama and hug her when I see her (so I can feel her tits against me). Ok, I know this is, well, weird, but it gets me hard and ready for the younger girls. I never asked mama out for a ST, maybe I will in the future. I know she was a bar girl when she was young and her pussy has been worked over, but sometimes I am in a funny mood.

Years ago, I started to bypass Fields because of the runners. I thought I would give it a try again on my next trip, but after reading your report, maybe I will stick with my old good hangouts. When I have a runner, I have a bad mood all night and the next morning. From the post here, other guys have had good results with Santos and Raymond st. These little bars are basic and they can only keep customers coming back because of service and low price for sex. I am sold on the concept! I will visit Fields for the shows and check out the girls dancing, get a few feels. But I will leave the sex stuff to the pros on Raymond and Santos street.

If you want to check out Raymond St, go to you tube and copy and past the following "hookers in the Philippines=Raymond St. MTS" this will give you an idea of the girls. However, the selection will change often, the girls come and go.[/QUOTE]To undercover.

I first go to AC back in 2002 everything is so cheap back then and the girl attuide is very good no runner, I didn't get my first runner until 3 yr ago every thing gone up so much the last 3 yr and girl attuide suck now days but this place is still a bargin compare to Manila, the Mamasan also lie to customer to get you to barfined the girl most of them are useless just looking for tip.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1285195]To undercover.

I first go to AC back in 2002 everything is so cheap back then and the girl attuide is very good no runner, I didn't get my first runner until 3 yr ago every thing gone up so much the last 3 yr and girl attuide suck now days but this place is still a bargin compare to Manila, the Mamasan also lie to customer to get you to barfined the girl most of them are useless just looking for tip.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]AC is not cheap anymore. Nowadays the girls working in the bar get 200 pesos per night. Assuming they work atleast 26 days they make 5200 pesos just by salary. They might get few ladydrinks which gives them 50 pesos if somebody buys them 150 pesos ladydrink. Their take on barfine is 600 pesos.

So on an average a fairly good looking girl will be making min 12, 000 pesos per month. If enough Koreans are interested in her she could make much more.

I too remember the first time I went to AC in 1998. Nice looking young girls. No attitude to speak of and barfine meant that they stay all night.

Well everything changes in life.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1285299]AC is not cheap anymore. Nowadays girls working in the bar get 200 pesos per night.

An average a fairly good looking girl will be making min 12, 000 pesos per month.[/QUOTE]200 pesos per night? 300$ per month? AC is not cheap anymore.

Hey Chute,

Did you happen to see or talk to this girl at Cambodia Bar?

TW

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker; 1285340]Hey Chute,

Did you happen to see or talk to this girl at Cambodia Bar?

TW[/QUOTE]No, I have not noticed the girl in the pic.

The one I barfined is a short, white-skin and big tits girl who said she was quarter Japanese.

The first thing I'd do is make her wash all that white crap off of her face. Its utterly hideous.

Yea I hate that white crap too! One bargirl told me they get finned if they do not apply their makeup properly. It always looks terrible in photos with a flash.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1285391]The first thing I'd do is make her wash all that white crap off of her face. Its utterly hideous.[/QUOTE]

I understand how the bars work. A cutie door girl get you in the bar where a waitress who also is pretty gets you to buy drinks for you, her, an a dancer. I have no problem with that. However early in the day when I am trying to get an afternoon delight, I have a sit and then is rush by between two and four old ladies who was pass there prime two decades ago. These vulchairs try to give you a massage, fan air on you and get in the way of what you are there to see the girls on the stage. All the time asking you to buy then drinks or take them out for boom boom. Now if I had my beer gargols why would I paid the bar fine for a this old woman. You could find older ladiewho are ready to go anywhere in town without a bar fine. I paid plenty of bar fines but for someone I could be proud of being seen with. What the problem is that these old woman will not let you enjoy your drink because of the hand massages or the show with the distraction so I end up leaving. No matter how nice or not so nice you are they will not stop. It's not there age because there are many older waitresses who understand why you are there and I joke with them all the time and there are not the problems. It the old ladies who are not dancer, waitresses or door girls who spoil everthing. I have no idea why they are in the bars unless it is to chase people away. I hope it gets better soon.

I have felt a bit annoyed by unattractive women being "in the way" before. Nevertheless, they are just trying to earn their keep. I'm sure the bar has a good reason for having them there. Maybe the local police asked the bar owner to employ a cousin. Maybe ugly duckling has some cute friends. Maybe she is known for a certain skill set. It's best to live and let live. X.

[QUOTE=Dick Hertz;1285559]I understand how the bars work. A cutie door girl get you in the bar where a waitress who also is pretty gets you to buy drinks for you, her, an a dancer. I have no problem with that. However early in the day when I am trying to get an afternoon delight, I have a sit and then is rush by between two and four old ladies who was pass there prime two decades ago. These vulchairs try to give you a massage, fan air on you and get in the way of what you are there to see the girls on the stage. All the time asking you to buy then drinks or take them out for boom boom. Now if I had my beer gargols why would I paid the bar fine for a this old woman. You could find older ladiewho are ready to go anywhere in town without a bar fine. I paid plenty of bar fines but for someone I could be proud of being seen with. What the problem is that these old woman will not let you enjoy your drink because of the hand massages or the show with the distraction so I end up leaving. No matter how nice or not so nice you are they will not stop. It's not there age because there are many older waitresses who understand why you are there and I joke with them all the time and there are not the problems. It the old ladies who are not dancer, waitresses or door girls who spoil everthing. I have no idea why they are in the bars unless it is to chase people away. I hope it gets better soon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1284338]MY TOP TEN BARS IN ANGELES:

1. ATLANTIS: The biggest bar is ATLANTIS, with 100+ girls each night and the easily the highest number of good lookers. The bar-fine is 1800 or 3000 depending on the girl. A&8200; definite must-see and unlike its SuperClub competitors Dollhouse and Forbidden City, there is.

Sir Lancelot: thanks for this report. Making my first visit to AC in June and the postings here have been really valuable. Does anyone have a sense for where to head first if arriving around midnight? Thanks. Reports to follow.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1285195]To undercover.

I first go to AC back in 2002 everything is so cheap back then and the girl attuide is very good no runner, I didn't get my first runner until 3 yr ago every thing gone up so much the last 3 yr and girl attuide suck now days but this place is still a bargin compare to Manila, the Mamasan also lie to customer to get you to barfined the girl most of them are useless just looking for tip.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]I agree with your comments about the prices and the change in the girls attuide. I guess the Mama is just as bad as the girls. All of this is why I have stayed on A. Santos and Raymond st. The girls are not the best looking, but they generally give good service and you can find 18 and 19 yo gems every now and then. I am not into doing older ladies with kids, but I met a 26 yo lady at Raymond who had 2 kids. When I first met her, I thought she was around 20 yo with a nice slim body. Also, she was really very cute with a lovely smile. I was shocked to find out she was older with 2 kids. She gave great service and an excellent BBBJ and she had a wonderful attitude. She told me she was there on Raymond for 4 weeks only then she was going back home to use the money to help support her kids. Same story, her boyfriend gave her 2 kids and left her. My point of the story is that lots of girls on Raymond and Santos are not pros, they just stop in to make some extra bucks to get by. Whereas, the Fields Ave girls are pros and know all the games, they talk to each other, and the all try to play the game of bait and switch.

As for me, I think I will stick with Raymond and Santso. It only cost 700 for 2 hours. 1200 to 1400 for 12 hours and the girls have way better attitude then Fields. When you walk into the big clubs (Atlantis) , notice that the girls on the stage act like they are not hookers. They try to act like models, with model attitudes. One guy on this post noted he paid 3, 000 for ST with one of these girls from Atlantis. As for me, no way in hell I am going to pay 3000 for ST with a girl from AC. The guy noted that the girl stated she would only do ST. That is the next problem, we guys are paying for this and the girls are getting away with it.

With all of this being said, I agree that AC is still cheaper then Manila. Also, no place else in the Phili where you can find 1, 000 or more hookers in 60 clubs all within approx. 5 blocks, better known as Fields Ave. Of course AC is like a little shit hole with not much to do in the day, but it has girls, girls, girls! For me 2 to 4 days is enough in AC. I stay at Pacific Breeze, get a nice room, get in-room massage servcie availabe 24 hours from one of the local massage place. I take a driver to the new mall there or go to SM. I relax by the pool, etc. Once or twice a day, I go to Santos or Raymond, get a nice girl for LT or ST and enjoy my time with her. As for me, I do not want a Fields ave girl because they will spoil my mood with their bad attitude and games. However, I still like to bar hop, not to barfine, but just to play with the girls. Bare in mind, the girls are all nice and sweet in the club, so that is the only part I enjoy, playing with their tits, getting feels, watching the shows. For nice sex with a nice girl and no games, I head to Raymond or Santos.

Overall, I guess I am getting tired of hookers. I have had a few hundered hookers since coming to Asia 14 years ago. As a result, I have a 19 year Filipina girlfriend in Manila and we have small apartment together. Well, I am not there often as I work in Hong Kong. That has proven to be an overall nicer experience then always being with hookers (nice to have sex with no condom with no condom and no worries about STD, she loves being with me, a true and real GFE). I spend about 15,000P a month for all of her expense (our apartment, food, light bill, etc). She is working 10 hours a day in the food industry and she makes around 7,000 month. One day, I will not go to AC anymore and leave it to the next generation of mongers.

Some guys out there may feel a need to post an email about my comments of spending 15,000P on a Filipna and supporting her, please do not. I know of all the reasons why I should NOT do it. But consider this, I have spent 15,000P (or approx. $350) on high class super model Asian hookers (18 and 19 year old) in Korea and Japan. These girls were 10s in every way, but they only stay with you for 2 to 3 hours. So, for me to spend this amonut on one girl for an entire month is a deal for me, plus she is not banging a ton of other guys. Plus, for me, 15,000P is really no big deal to me, it is really a very small amount of money to me to pay each month. When I lived in America many many years ago, I would spend that much on a couple of dates....and not even get a kiss at the end of the date. Yikes, I do not miss living in American and the women there. Now, that is true BS to the max. I feel sorry for any guy that lives in American and has to put up with American women and try to date and have sex with them. There, you will pay a ton of money and get a ton of BS. And if u marry them and breakup, u will pay a ton of money in court ordered support.

I know, some of you will write, but your Filipina is banging other guys when u not there. In some situations, that will happen...like being married! How many of you guys out there know of a guy that was marreid and his wife was banging another guy. Hey, that may have happen to you. Also, the husband and wife lived in the same house. My point is, just because a guy is not with a women, does not mean she will automaticlly bang other guys. If a women want to do it, she will do it even if you live in the same house with her everyday.

With my girlfriend and many other young poor Filipinas, they know if a man is supporting them they have a good life. So why are they going to cheat with a local poor guy and live a difficult like. With my girlfriend, I have told her point blank that if she is not faithful to me, she will be back living in a shack with no running water, no lights, and no food, etc. This sounds rough, but this is my insurance policy. Plus, I treat her nice and she....ok, I know....do not laugh, sayes she loves me. I feel she is sincere. I have seen a lot of BS in my life, so I am good at spoting BS. And this young girl is legit. True love is what will keep a woman from cheating on you. Also, most important, she is not a hooker. I would never trust a hooker in this situation and support her. The key is to find a young, nice, sweet girl, not the most pretty, that is simply looking for a man to love them....and take care of them. I have met a lot of Filipinas like this.

My point of this story is, the Phili not only offer millions of hookers, but also regualar girls that will bang ya, give u true love, and a real GFE. If u meet 10 regluar Filipinas, 7 will give u BS, 2 will not workout for whatever reason, but that one will be a keeper. This has been my experience in the Phili. Your situation and outcome may be different.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1285782]I agree with your comments about the prices and the change in the girls attuide. I guess the Mama is just as bad as the girls. All of this is why I have stayed on A. Santos and Raymond st. The girls are not the best looking, but they generally give good service and you can find 18 and 19 yo gems every now and then. I am not into doing older ladies with kids, but I met a 26 yo lady at Raymond who had 2 kids. When I first met her, I thought she was around 20 yo with a nice slim body. Also, she was really very cute with a lovely smile. I was shocked to find out she was older with 2 kids. She gave great service and an excellent BBBJ and she had a wonderful attitude. She told me she was there on Raymond for 4 weeks only then she was going back home to use the money to help support her kids. Same story, her boyfriend gave her 2 kids and left her. My point of the story is that lots of girls on Raymond and Santos are not pros, they just stop in to make some extra bucks to get by. Whereas, the Fields Ave girls are pros and know all the games, they talk to each other, and the all try to play the game of bait and switch.

As for me, I think I will stick with Raymond and Santso. It only cost 700 for 2 hours. 1200 to 1400 for 12 hours and the girls have way better attitude then Fields. When you walk into the big clubs (Atlantis) , notice that the girls on the stage act like they are not hookers. They try to act like models, with model attitudes. One guy on this post noted he paid 3, 000 for ST with one of these girls from Atlantis. As for me, no way in hell I am going to pay 3000 for ST with a girl from AC. The guy noted that the girl stated she would only do ST. That is the next problem, we guys are paying for this and the girls are getting away with it.

With all of this being said, I agree that AC is still cheaper then Manila. Also, no place else in the Phili where you can find 1, 000 or more hookers in 60 clubs all within approx. 5 blocks, better known as Fields Ave. Of course AC is like a little shit hole with not much to do in the day, but it has girls, girls, girls! For me 2 to 4 days is enough in AC. I stay at Pacific Breeze, get a nice room, get in-room massage servcie availabe 24 hours from one of the local massage place. I take a driver to the new mall there or go to SM. I relax by the pool, etc. Once or twice a day, I go to Santos or Raymond, get a nice girl for LT or ST and enjoy my time with her. As for me, I do not want a Fields ave girl because they will spoil my mood with their bad attitude and games. However, I still like to bar hop, not to barfine, but just to play with the girls. Bare in mind, the girls are all nice and sweet in the club, so that is the only part I enjoy, playing with their tits, getting feels, watching the shows. For nice sex with a nice girl and no games, I head to Raymond or Santos.

Overall, I guess I am getting tired of hookers. I have had a few hundered hookers since coming to Asia 14 years ago. As a result, I have a 19 year Filipina girlfriend in Manila and we have small apartment together. Well, I am not there often as I work in Hong Kong. That has proven to be an overall nicer experience then always being with hookers (nice to have sex with no condom with no condom and no worries about STD, she loves being with me, a true and real GFE). I spend about 15, 000P a month for all of her expense (our apartment, food, light bill, etc). She is working 10 hours a day in the food industry and she makes around 7, 000 month. One day, I will not go to AC anymore and leave it to the next generation of mongers.

Some guys out there may feel a need to post an email about my comments of spending 15, 000P on a Filipna and supporting her, please do not. I know of all the reasons why I should NOT do it. But consider this, I have spent 15, 000P (or approx. $350) on high class super model Asian hookers (18 and 19 year old) in Korea and Japan. These girls were 10s in every way, but they only stay with you for 2 to 3 hours. So, for me to spend this amonut on one girl for an entire month is a deal for me, plus she is not banging a ton of other guys. Plus, for me. 15, 000P is really no big deal to me, it is really a very small amount of money to me to pay each month. When I lived in America many many years ago, I would spend that much on a couple of dates. And not even get a kiss at the end of the date. Yikes, I do not miss living in American and the women there. Now, that is true BS to the max. I feel sorry for any guy that lives in American and has to put up with American women and try to date and have sex with them. There, you will pay a ton of money and get a ton of BS. And if you marry them and breakup, you will pay a ton of money in court ordered support.

I know, some of you will write, but your Filipina is banging other guys when you not there. In some situations, that will happen. Like being married! How many of you guys out there know of a guy that was marreid and his wife was banging another guy. Hey, that may have happen to you. Also, the husband and wife lived in the same house. My point is, just because a guy is not with a women, does not mean she will automaticlly bang other guys. If a women want to do it, she will do it even if you live in the same house with her everyday.

With my girlfriend and many other young poor Filipinas, they know if a man is supporting them they have a good life. So why are they going to cheat with a local poor guy and live a difficult like. With my girlfriend, I have told her point blank that if she is not faithful to me, she will be back living in a shack with no running water, no lights, and no food, etc. This sounds rough, but this is my insurance policy. Plus, I treat her nice and she. Ok, I know. Do not laugh, sayes she loves me. I feel she is sincere. I have seen a lot of BS in my life, so I am good at spoting BS. And this young girl is legit. True love is what will keep a woman from cheating on you. Also, most important, she is not a hooker. I would never trust a hooker in this situation and support her. The key is to find a young, nice, sweet girl, not the most pretty, that is simply looking for a man to love them. And take care of them. I have met a lot of Filipinas like this.

My point of this story is, the Phili not only offer millions of hookers, but also regualar girls that will bang ya, give you true love, and a real GFE. If you meet 10 regluar Filipinas. 7 will give you BS. 2 will not workout for whatever reason, but that one will be a keeper. This has been my experience in the Phili. Your situation and outcome may be different.[/QUOTE]Good for you man! A lot of Filipino girls are really loyal because of their upraising and religion. FYI, if you guys don't know, they're catholics. As long as you treat them good, with respect and don't hit them, they'll be with you, love you and take care of you for as long as you want. I also agree with everything you say because I do live in the States, I've been to Korea, Japan and the PI and I've dated and paid for girls from all those countries. If you don't mind me asking, what are you doing in Hong Kong? I want to get an international job but so far the only jobs I could find are Federal and Teaching English. If you have any suggestions, I'm all ears!

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1285782]. <SNIP

My point is, just because a guy is not with a women, does not mean she will automatically bang other guys. If a women wants to do it, she will do it even if you live in the same house with her everyday. <SNIP [/QUOTE]This is the key point in your post Uch.

Worth repeating. You cannot "control" a woman if she is not totally satisfied with your care and attention.

Hey, good post. I agree. 15, 000 is not a whole lot of $$$. I've spent that much in a night, maybe even in the Phils, although I can't remember (which probably means I did!). I live in the US and I am late 40s so when I thinking about dating here. Yech!

Sometimes, I wonder if I should just get one hot young Filipina, rather than chasing bar girls, and not worry about anything else. Chicks are generally faithful, kind, and pleasing in bed if you are good to them and they feel the financial situation is stable.

Anyway, good for you, sounds like a pleasing arrangement.

JC

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1285782]I agree with your comments about the prices and the change in the girls attuide. I guess the Mama is just as bad as the girls. All of this is why I have stayed on A. Santos and Raymond st. The girls are not the best looking, but they generally give good service and you can find 18 and 19 yo gems every now and then. I am not into doing older ladies with kids, but I met a 26 yo lady at Raymond who had 2 kids. When I first met her, I thought she was around 20 yo with a nice slim body. Also, she was really very cute with a lovely smile. I was shocked to find out she was older with 2 kids. She gave great service and an excellent BBBJ and she had a wonderful attitude. She told me she was there on Raymond for 4 weeks only then she was going back home to use the money to help support her kids. Same story, her boyfriend gave her 2 kids and left her. My point of the story is that lots of girls on Raymond and Santos are not pros, they just stop in to make some extra bucks to get by. Whereas, the Fields Ave girls are pros and know all the games, they talk to each other, and the all try to play the game of bait and switch.

As for me, I think I will stick with Raymond and Santso. It only cost 700 for 2 hours. 1200 to 1400 for 12 hours and the girls have way better attitude then Fields. When you walk into the big clubs (Atlantis) , notice that the girls on the stage act like they are not hookers. They try to act like models, with model attitudes. One guy on this post noted he paid 3, 000 for ST with one of these girls from Atlantis. As for me, no way in hell I am going to pay 3000 for ST with a girl from AC. The guy noted that the girl stated she would only do ST. That is the next problem, we guys are paying for this and the girls are getting away with it.

With all of this being said, I agree that AC is still cheaper then Manila. Also, no place else in the Phili where you can find 1, 000 or more hookers in 60 clubs all within approx. 5 blocks, better known as Fields Ave. Of course AC is like a little shit hole with not much to do in the day, but it has girls, girls, girls! For me 2 to 4 days is enough in AC. I stay at Pacific Breeze, get a nice room, get in-room massage servcie availabe 24 hours from one of the local massage place. I take a driver to the new mall there or go to SM. I relax by the pool, etc. Once or twice a day, I go to Santos or Raymond, get a nice girl for LT or ST and enjoy my time with her. As for me, I do not want a Fields ave girl because they will spoil my mood with their bad attitude and games. However, I still like to bar hop, not to barfine, but just to play with the girls. Bare in mind, the girls are all nice and sweet in the club, so that is the only part I enjoy, playing with their tits, getting feels, watching the shows. For nice sex with a nice girl and no games, I head to Raymond or Santos.

Overall, I guess I am getting tired of hookers. I have had a few hundered hookers since coming to Asia 14 years ago. As a result, I have a 19 year Filipina girlfriend in Manila and we have small apartment together. Well, I am not there often as I work in Hong Kong. That has proven to be an overall nicer experience then always being with hookers (nice to have sex with no condom with no condom and no worries about STD, she loves being with me, a true and real GFE). I spend about 15, 000P a month for all of her expense (our apartment, food, light bill, etc). She is working 10 hours a day in the food industry and she makes around 7, 000 month. One day, I will not go to AC anymore and leave it to the next generation of mongers.

Some guys out there may feel a need to post an email about my comments of spending 15, 000P on a Filipna and supporting her, please do not. I know of all the reasons why I should NOT do it. But consider this, I have spent 15, 000P (or approx. $350) on high class super model Asian hookers (18 and 19 year old) in Korea and Japan. These girls were 10s in every way, but they only stay with you for 2 to 3 hours. So, for me to spend this amonut on one girl for an entire month is a deal for me, plus she is not banging a ton of other guys. Plus, for me. 15, 000P is really no big deal to me, it is really a very small amount of money to me to pay each month. When I lived in America many many years ago, I would spend that much on a couple of dates. And not even get a kiss at the end of the date. Yikes, I do not miss living in American and the women there. Now, that is true BS to the max. I feel sorry for any guy that lives in American and has to put up with American women and try to date and have sex with them. There, you will pay a ton of money and get a ton of BS. And if you marry them and breakup, you will pay a ton of money in court ordered support.

I know, some of you will write, but your Filipina is banging other guys when you not there. In some situations, that will happen. Like being married! How many of you guys out there know of a guy that was marreid and his wife was banging another guy. Hey, that may have happen to you. Also, the husband and wife lived in the same house. My point is, just because a guy is not with a women, does not mean she will automaticlly bang other guys. If a women want to do it, she will do it even if you live in the same house with her everyday.

With my girlfriend and many other young poor Filipinas, they know if a man is supporting them they have a good life. So why are they going to cheat with a local poor guy and live a difficult like. With my girlfriend, I have told her point blank that if she is not faithful to me, she will be back living in a shack with no running water, no lights, and no food, etc. This sounds rough, but this is my insurance policy. Plus, I treat her nice and she. Ok, I know. Do not laugh, sayes she loves me. I feel she is sincere. I have seen a lot of BS in my life, so I am good at spoting BS. And this young girl is legit. True love is what will keep a woman from cheating on you. Also, most important, she is not a hooker. I would never trust a hooker in this situation and support her. The key is to find a young, nice, sweet girl, not the most pretty, that is simply looking for a man to love them. And take care of them. I have met a lot of Filipinas like this.

My point of this story is, the Phili not only offer millions of hookers, but also regualar girls that will bang ya, give you true love, and a real GFE. If you meet 10 regluar Filipinas. 7 will give you BS. 2 will not workout for whatever reason, but that one will be a keeper. This has been my experience in the Phili. Your situation and outcome may be different.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1285782]I agree with your comments about the prices and the change in the girls attuide. I guess the Mama is just as bad as the girls. All of this is why I have stayed on A. Santos and Raymond st. The girls are not the best looking, but they generally give good service and you can find 18 and 19 yo gems every now and then. I am not into doing older ladies with kids, but I met a 26 yo lady at Raymond who had 2 kids. When I first met her, I thought she was around 20 yo with a nice slim body. Also, she was really very cute with a lovely smile. I was shocked to find out she was older with 2 kids. She gave great service and an excellent BBBJ and she had a wonderful attitude. She told me she was there on Raymond for 4 weeks only then she was going back home to use the money to help support her kids. Same story, her boyfriend gave her 2 kids and left her. My point of the story is that lots of girls on Raymond and Santos are not pros, they just stop in to make some extra bucks to get by. Whereas, the Fields Ave girls are pros and know all the games, they talk to each other, and the all try to play the game of bait and switch.

As for me, I think I will stick with Raymond and Santso. It only cost 700 for 2 hours. 1200 to 1400 for 12 hours and the girls have way better attitude then Fields. When you walk into the big clubs (Atlantis) , notice that the girls on the stage act like they are not hookers. They try to act like models, with model attitudes. One guy on this post noted he paid 3, 000 for ST with one of these girls from Atlantis. As for me, no way in hell I am going to pay 3000 for ST with a girl from AC. The guy noted that the girl stated she would only do ST. That is the next problem, we guys are paying for this and the girls are getting away with it.

With all of this being said, I agree that AC is still cheaper then Manila. Also, no place else in the Phili where you can find 1, 000 or more hookers in 60 clubs all within approx. 5 blocks, better known as Fields Ave. Of course AC is like a little shit hole with not much to do in the day, but it has girls, girls, girls! For me 2 to 4 days is enough in AC. I stay at Pacific Breeze, get a nice room, get in-room massage servcie availabe 24 hours from one of the local massage place. I take a driver to the new mall there or go to SM. I relax by the pool, etc. Once or twice a day, I go to Santos or Raymond, get a nice girl for LT or ST and enjoy my time with her. As for me, I do not want a Fields ave girl because they will spoil my mood with their bad attitude and games. However, I still like to bar hop, not to barfine, but just to play with the girls. Bare in mind, the girls are all nice and sweet in the club, so that is the only part I enjoy, playing with their tits, getting feels, watching the shows. For nice sex with a nice girl and no games, I head to Raymond or Santos.

Overall, I guess I am getting tired of hookers. I have had a few hundered hookers since coming to Asia 14 years ago. As a result, I have a 19 year Filipina girlfriend in Manila and we have small apartment together. Well, I am not there often as I work in Hong Kong. That has proven to be an overall nicer experience then always being with hookers (nice to have sex with no condom with no condom and no worries about STD, she loves being with me, a true and real GFE). I spend about 15, 000P a month for all of her expense (our apartment, food, light bill, etc). She is working 10 hours a day in the food industry and she makes around 7, 000 month. One day, I will not go to AC anymore and leave it to the next generation of mongers.

Some guys out there may feel a need to post an email about my comments of spending 15, 000P on a Filipna and supporting her, please do not. I know of all the reasons why I should NOT do it. But consider this, I have spent 15, 000P (or approx. $350) on high class super model Asian hookers (18 and 19 year old) in Korea and Japan. These girls were 10s in every way, but they only stay with you for 2 to 3 hours. So, for me to spend this amonut on one girl for an entire month is a deal for me, plus she is not banging a ton of other guys. Plus, for me. 15, 000P is really no big deal to me, it is really a very small amount of money to me to pay each month. When I lived in America many many years ago, I would spend that much on a couple of dates. And not even get a kiss at the end of the date. Yikes, I do not miss living in American and the women there. Now, that is true BS to the max. I feel sorry for any guy that lives in American and has to put up with American women and try to date and have sex with them. There, you will pay a ton of money and get a ton of BS. And if you marry them and breakup, you will pay a ton of money in court ordered support.

I know, some of you will write, but your Filipina is banging other guys when you not there. In some situations, that will happen. Like being married! How many of you guys out there know of a guy that was marreid and his wife was banging another guy. Hey, that may have happen to you. Also, the husband and wife lived in the same house. My point is, just because a guy is not with a women, does not mean she will automaticlly bang other guys. If a women want to do it, she will do it even if you live in the same house with her everyday.

With my girlfriend and many other young poor Filipinas, they know if a man is supporting them they have a good life. So why are they going to cheat with a local poor guy and live a difficult like. With my girlfriend, I have told her point blank that if she is not faithful to me, she will be back living in a shack with no running water, no lights, and no food, etc. This sounds rough, but this is my insurance policy. Plus, I treat her nice and she. Ok, I know. Do not laugh, sayes she loves me. I feel she is sincere. I have seen a lot of BS in my life, so I am good at spoting BS. And this young girl is legit. True love is what will keep a woman from cheating on you. Also, most important, she is not a hooker. I would never trust a hooker in this situation and support her. The key is to find a young, nice, sweet girl, not the most pretty, that is simply looking for a man to love them. And take care of them. I have met a lot of Filipinas like this.

My point of this story is, the Phili not only offer millions of hookers, but also regualar girls that will bang ya, give you true love, and a real GFE. If you meet 10 regluar Filipinas. 7 will give you BS. 2 will not workout for whatever reason, but that one will be a keeper. This has been my experience in the Phili. Your situation and outcome may be different.[/QUOTE]I just want to say that I enjoy reading your thoughts & insights about Angeles and this whole situation. As an American who has to live for family reasons in the USA I can agree and relate to you entirely regarding American women and BS scene here in this country.

Thank you again for sharing your insights. It was interesting reading.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1285299]AC is not cheap anymore. Nowadays the girls working in the bar get 200 pesos per night. Assuming they work atleast 26 days they make 5200 pesos just by salary. They might get few ladydrinks which gives them 50 pesos if somebody buys them 150 pesos ladydrink. Their take on barfine is 600 pesos.

So on an average a fairly good looking girl will be making min 12, 000 pesos per month. If enough Koreans are interested in her she could make much more.

I too remember the first time I went to AC in 1998. Nice looking young girls. No attitude to speak of and barfine meant that they stay all night.

Well everything changes in life.[/QUOTE]To Sammon.

Not only AC everywhere in ASIA cost on hotel and Mongering have been going up the last 10 yr, the good old USD exchange rate is still good in PI and AC is still a bargin compare to Manila, Thailand, China and Malayasia.

Fast Eddie 48

Nice to read your opinion and I agree. I think I have found a good one that meets your criteria also.

Just a comment because at times there is a lot of conversation about pricing. All things all over the world are more expensive than they were 5, 10, 20 or more years ago. Even before that. If someone knows of a place where prices are the same or has gone down from where they were 5, 10, or 20 years ago, please share it with the rest of us poor people. I agree we may not like it but if things stop going up in price for anyone, I would guess you just bought the farm.

I hear it is slow in AC right now. Can anyone confirm that?

Last time when I was with a sweet 19 year old bargirl who was really like a GFE

We talked about the bar and also about her boss. The bar owner.

She told me that at her bar the owner selects every night

One of his bargirls and spend the night with her.

WOOW.

Its not bad to be a bar owner in Philippines!

OK, here is the deal. I have been travelling asia-pacific now on several trips the last three years amounting to over six months in total. I have had a few girlfriends. Some fake, and some very real too. But I have narrowed down my mongering activity in the region to only macau (for style) , and angeles for the real GFE now.

My problem is not that I don't find girls in asia pacific that likes me and want to date me. I've had a girlfriend from Korat in Thailand that I met at a disco in Phuket who I never payed a penny to. You can call me an idiot for not helping her out, but it was my first trip and I had heard too many stories of scams. When I went into the disco, every girl was trying to check me out, and I went for the hottest girl there. She was genuine too, and I still talk to her. I've also had girlfriends in Singapore that I never payed anything to either.

I feel I have a good intuition of what girls are genuine, and who are not. I would say the ratio is perhaps 50-50. At least from my experience. Perhaps it is lower, but I allways require eye contact, and that helps me alot in narrowing down the frauds too. Last time I was in AC I met a girl that claimed she hated working in the bar. She was looking for a farang boyfriend, and said she had many friends who also had a farang boyfriend back in Leyte. This girl is very genuine. She needs to support her 1 year old baby girl, and has now started working at a school in manila. She left AC 2 months ago because she found some farang (an old guy, not very good looking). This is just an example, but I have 2-3 other prostitute friends in AC / BKK that are just like her. I just have a very hard time going for one of them, as that would require me to drop the hunt for more girls. I am suffering from the quells of choice, and I hate it. I just don't know when I should start supporting one of these girls. The life as a mongerer doesn't leave me very committed.

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[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1284338]Sir Lancelot: thanks for this report. Making my first visit to AC in June and the postings here have been really valuable. Does anyone have a sense for where to head first if arriving around midnight? Thanks. Reports to follow.[/QUOTE]Thanks, glad I helped.

By midnight each bar still has lots and lots of girls, so you needn't worry too much about missing out. I'd say that all of the bars in my initial post would be a good bet at midnight.

My advice: when you arrive, head straight to Atlantis as it has the highest number of girls with the highest percentage of hotties. If you don't see any you like, try Typhoon. It's much smaller and has less girls but the intimate atmosphere might appeal more to you. By 3am lots of bars close so I'd be looking to bar-fine a girl by 2am at the latest.

Then for the rest of your time in Angeles, try to visit as many bars as possible, making a mental note of all of your favourite girls in each. Don't just restrict yourself to the big bars. Some of the small bars have truly beautiful girls available for cheaper prices. Every night at about 11pm return to the bar that your favourite girl is at and hopefully she will still be there. If not, move on to your second choice etc. Bear in mind that if you miss out on a stunner (or as happened to me, you see a 10/10 but she's with another customer) you can return the next day at 7pm when the bar opens, to make sure you get chance to chat with her. The longer you are there, the bigger your 'mental shortlist' will be.

Insomnia is located just a short distance from the main Fields Avenue drag and it seemed to me that most of the best-looking girls were still there after midnight. Other than that, after midnight your best bet might be just to go to the bigger bars (Atlantis, Blue Nile, Crystal Palace, Dollhouse etc).

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1285299]AC is not cheap anymore. Nowadays the girls working in the bar get 200 pesos per night. Assuming they work atleast 26 days they make 5200 pesos just by salary. They might get few ladydrinks which gives them 50 pesos if somebody buys them 150 pesos ladydrink. Their take on barfine is 600 pesos.

So on an average a fairly good looking girl will be making min 12, 000 pesos per month. If enough Koreans are interested in her she could make much more.

I too remember the first time I went to AC in 1998. Nice looking young girls. No attitude to speak of and barfine meant that they stay all night.

Well everything changes in life.[/QUOTE]Well, I remember back in 1998 when a dollar can buy a gallon of gas in the US. In the 90's, I can also remember sitting in some bars in Subic, AC, Manila or Cebu listening to old timers reminiscing about the exchange rates and the quality of the girls in the 80's.

With that said, I recall back in the mid 90's the exchange rates were 25 or 26 pesos per dollar. True, the exchange rates dropped to 30/40 pesos per dollar during the 98/99 financial crisis, but back then, hotels, girls and drinks in AC were relative inexpensive compared to that in Hong Kong, Japan or US.

Today, I would say hotels, girls and drinks in AC are still relatively cheap compared to other areas. Looking for pretty girls and good sex is still as fun as it was 10 or 20 years ago. Girls still play the same games as they were back then. Mamas, Papas, and Bars still pull the same tricks on drinks and barfines. Back then I used to use polaroids, now I use a digital camera or video cam. Back then I brought walkman and chocolate to my girls as gifts, now I buy them iPods and netbooks.

For me, AC is still as good as it was and AC is realtively inexpensive. I used to visit AC a couple of times a year and I still plan on doing so for a few more years.

[QUOTE=YG365;1285797]Good for you man! A lot of Filipino girls are really loyal because of their upraising and religion. FYI, if you guys don't know, they're catholics. As long as you treat them good, with respect and don't hit them, they'll be with you, love you and take care of you for as long as you want. I also agree with everything you say because I do live in the States, I've been to Korea, Japan and the PI and I've dated and paid for girls from all those countries. If you don't mind me asking, what are you doing in Hong Kong? I want to get an international job but so far the only jobs I could find are Federal and Teaching English. If you have any suggestions, I'm all ears![/QUOTE]Regarding your queston about working in Asia, here is some info. However, note that my info is not up to date as I have not looked for a job in more than14 years (I have been with the same employer all that time). Also, I have received several emails in my inbox here on this website asking how they can work in Asia. When I mentioned I work in Hong Kong, I did not realize I would get such a reponse about finding jobs in Asia.

I do not feel comfortable stating who is my employer. Reason, if my employer knew I was on this site, no more job! I know this is not a job website, so mongers looking for sex information, please bare with me. When I was young, a long long time ago, I joined the Marines after college. I did so because life sucked at my parents home and I could not find any jobs I really wanted to do. Overall, it was a good experience, aside from learning how to kill people and actually doing it. Being young, you are trained to follow orders without much thought. As you get older, some of the the things you did startes to eat at ya. Anyway, after 14 years, I left the Marines. Now, here is the point to telling you about the Marines, it is federal service. Therefore, I looked for a job that I could carry over my federal service and work outside of the United States. After seeing the world and all the lovely Asian pussy in Asian, no way could I come back to the states and live.

Based on my federal service, I was able to apply for an agency that had post in in just about evey country in the world (here is your hint).

Another option is working for the Asian Development Bank or the World Bank, both in the Philippines. Jobs are hard to come by there, but if you can get in, you will live like a king! As I recall, they pay in USA dollars. Just think, living in Asia, and getting paid a salary based on USA living standards. Also, these banks have offices in other countries. Go online and google their website, they will havea link for job posting.

I know of guys who went to Thailand to be an English teacher. That works when you are young, but when you get older, getting paid a low salary really starts to suck. My advice, if a person really want to be an English teacher, get your degree and teaching lic in the USA. Korean, Hong Kong and Japan pay top dollar for real English teachers. If you are a legit science teacher, you will make big bucks in these countries also. That is the way to go if you want to teach in another country.

Thailand pays crap to be a English teacher. It is ok if you are just out of college and want something fun to do for the summer. But I know guys who are in their 50s and 60s now and hate the fact the spent their life in Thailand teaching English and never saved any money for retirement.

Many years ago, there was a website that had job posting for American agencies that had positions in other countries. For example, the Army may need an accountant to work in Guam to handle payroll. Basically, civilain careers with the military or other government related agencies. My suggestion is to search for that website, I assume it is stll around somewhere. I do not reacll the name of it.

The other option is to work for an American company in Asia. Walmart has offices in China. So do many other Ameican companies. If a guy really want to have a career in Asian, it will take time to find a good job. You will have to put in a lot of time looking for that job. However, the internet can be of great help. I do not claim to be an expert on finding a job in Asian. These are just some thoughts that come to my mind on the subject. I am sure there are lots of other methods to finding a job in Asian. You can also search those methods out.

If someone asked me, would I do it over again, my answer would be....well,.....Hell Yes!! When I go back to the states to visit my sister and mom once every year, I cannot wait to leave and come back to Asia. I really do like living in this part of the world. Why, for one simple fact, I have always been a horny guy and I loved Asian women. When I was young and living in American, the Asian women there are not the same as the women in Asia. It seems like the Asian women in America know that American guys like them, and they act like stuck up bitiches. Even the Filipina women in American are not the same as the Filipina women in the Philippines. Many times, I have started a conversation with a Filipina in the Philipppines and have gotton a good response. I have tried that in America, and the Filipina looks at me like I am from Mars and I had doggie shit on my face. There is a city in California called Glendale. Lots of Filipinas there at the Glendale mall. I tried to talke to a few (forgetting I was in America) and they gave me dirty looks. They were younger than me and they simply looked at me as a dirty old man (but I am only in my50s). When I do the exact same thing at the Mall of Asian in the Phillppines, I get wonderful feedback, phones numbers, dates, and maybe sex from the young Filipinas.

The point is, even girls from the Philippines will start to act like Amerian women, when the Filipina has lived in America for sevearl years. Key point, this advice at no extra cost, never marry these girls (or any girl from an Asia country) and bring them back to the U.S. You are asking for trouble. Especailly, if you are a lot older than her. It is fine to keep her in the Philippines and have a life with her there, you will not have to worry much about her (unless she was a bar girl). I am an older guy, and my Filipina girlfriend is 19 years old. I feel fine and trust her in the Philiipines. But no way in hell would I ever think of bring her to the U.S. If I did, she will start to look at all the other women with young husbands and boyfriends, the chance to have a nice job and support herself, and she will start to wonder, why in the world she is with this old guy (me). I seen that game too many times to play it. Every buddy I had from the Marines who married an Asian women and brought her back to the U.S., are no longer together now. Hey, American will change an Asian women.

And here is my last point on Aisa. I will never retire in America. Old people in America are treated like crap. If you have money, income of at least $2,000 a month, you can retire in Asia like a king (e.g., the Philippines or Thailand) when you are old. When I get too old and need to be in a rest home, I will hire a Filipina nurse, stay at my nice apartment in the Philippines, and have her take care of me in addition to my maid takiing care of me. Both will cost lest than $300. Trying fidning that in the U.S. for the same price. If you are an old guy in the Philippines and you got bucks in your pocket, you will never be lonely. You will always have access to young Filipina pussy and they will be happy to provide BBBJ and sex. My have a old buddy of mine that lives on an island in the Philippines. He has a live in maid. He maid a deal with her to cook, clean, wash, and provide sex and BBBJ as needed. The maid knows it is not a relathionship, but she is happy to provide extra servcie for an extra price. He told me,each sex section is an extra $10 and blow job is an extra $5. So he pays her $75 a month for being a maid and an extra $100 a month (this is the average per month) for sex servcies. The maid is in her 52s, my buddy is 73. If he lived in Ameica, no way in hell could he have this arrangement. Or, have a younger women willing to bang him. Also note that the Philippines now has a retirement visa. Check the websites of the Philppine government to find out more.

Well, that's my 2 cents on the subject of jobs, women, and retirement. And remember what free advice is worth.... : - )

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1286318]I really do like living in this part of the world. Why, for one simple fact, I have always been a horny guy and I loved Asian women. When I was young and living in American, the Asian women there are not the same as the women in Asia. It seems like the Asian women in America know that American guys like them, and they act like stuck up bitiches. Even the Filipina women in American are not the same as the Filipina women in the Filippinas. Many times, I have started a conversation with a Filipina in the Philipppines and have gotton a good response. I have tried that in America, and the Filipina looks at me like I am from Mars. There is a city in California called Glendale. Lots of Filipinas there at the mall. I tried to talke to a few, and they gave me dirty looks. When I do the exact same thing at the Mall of Asian in the Phillppines, I get wonderful feedback, phones numbers, dates, and maybe sex.

The point is, even girls from the Philippines will start to act like Amerian women, when the Filipina has lived in America for sevearl years. Key point, this advice at no extra cost, never marry these girls (or any girl from an Asia country) and bring them back to the USA You are asking for trouble. It is fine to keep her in the Philippines and have a life with her there, you will not have to worry much about her (unless she was a bar girl). I am an older guy, and my Filipina girlfriend is 19 years old. I feel fine and trust her in the Philiipines. But no way in hell would I ever think of bring her to the USA If I did, she will start to look at all the other women with young husbands and boyfriends, the chance to have a nice job and support herself, and she will start to wonder, why in the world she is with this old guy (me). I seen that game too many times to play it. Every buddy I had from the Marines who married an Asian women and brought her back to the USA, are no longer together now. Hey, American will change an Asian women.[/QUOTE]It's like there is something in the water that ruins women in the USA and Western Europe too for that matter. Whether they are homegrown or Asian imports, their dispositions and attitudes turn ugly after a while. I think the culture of the West with it's never ending feminNazi propaganda and molding of young girls psyche combined with an uncertain constantly changing, yet never satisfying materialistic post modern society is the root cause of the problem. The result after decades of this pernicious influence is devastating. Just look at the birthrates. We may be witnessing the fall of Western civilization for all I know. LOL. Good thing I won't be around when the end comes. In the meantime, I am just going to work hard in the USA and have my fun in Asia. One day I hope to say bye bye America for the last time and settle down to the good life as an expat lost somewhere in South East Asia. You are fortunate Undercoverh, to have it all now, although I know you had to work real hard to get it.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1286350]an uncertain constantly changing, yet never satisfying materialistic post modern society is the root cause of the problem. (snip) We may be witnessing the fall of Western civilization for all I know. LOL.[/QUOTE]Men are not immune to the problem either, but we easily overlook its symptoms in ourselves, sez I.

Hi Undercover,

I enjoyed reading your post. I am an American business professor who guest lectures in Vietnam twice annually with side trips to Cambo, Thailand, Indonesia and, of course the Philippines. I have a similar plan to retire in the PI / Negros Oriental in 10 years or less (lived in AC as a USAF officer in the 80s). I was thinking of getting married there (to a sexy young RN) but may just opt for the live-in maid arrangement with frequent visits from a variety of sexy, young, built Pinays. What a great way to live out The Golden Years!

As you stated, it is way too expensive in America; American media and culture taints all foreign women who come to live here; the elderly are not respected here; and the price of young pussy is unaffordable and lame. So, one is left to settle for some wrinkly, bitchy, fat, old, battle ax. NOT! My relatives think I'm nuts but they have NO IDEA what they are missing! Regards and happy horndogging fellow mongers! If you see any busty ones please sound off!

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1286318]Regarding your queston about working in Asia, The other option is to work for an American company in Asia. If someone asked me, would I do it over again, my answer would be. Well. Hell Yes! Even the Filipina women in American are not the same as the Filipina women in the Philippines. Hey, America will change an Asian women. Never retire in America. Old people in America are treated like crap. If you have money, income of at least $2, 000 a month, you can retire in Asia like a king (e. G, the Philippines or Thailand) I will hire a Filipina nurse, stay at my nice apartment in the Philippines, and have her take care of me in addition to my maid takiing care of me. Both will cost lest than $300. You will always have access to young Filipina pussy and they will be happy to provide BBBJ and sex. A old buddy of mine that lives on an island in the Philippines. He has a live in maid. He maid a deal with her to cook, clean, wash, and provide sex and BBBJ as needed. The maid knows it is not a relathionship, but she is happy to provide extra servcie for an extra price. He told me, each sex section is an extra $10 and blow job is an extra $5. So he pays her $75 a month for being a maid and an extra $100 a month (this is the average per month) for sex servcies. If he lived in Ameica, no way in hell could he have this arrangement. Or, have a younger women willing to bang him. Also note that the Philippines now has a retirement visa.

Well, that's my 2 cents on the subject of jobs, women, and retirement. And remember what free advice is worth. :.) [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1286165][QUOTE=Mangez Moi; 1285661]Thanks, glad I helped.

By midnight each bar still has lots and lots of girls, so you needn't worry too much about missing out. I'd say that all of the bars in my initial post would be a good bet at midnight.

My advice: when you arrive, head straight to Atlantis as it has the highest number of girls with the highest percentage of hotties. If you don't see any you like, try Typhoon. It's much smaller and has less girls but the intimate atmosphere might appeal more to you. By 3am lots of bars close so I'd be looking to bar-fine a girl by 2am at the latest.

Then for the rest of your time in Angeles, try to visit as many bars as possible, making a mental note of all of your favourite girls in each. Don't just restrict yourself to the big bars. Some of the small bars have truly beautiful girls available for cheaper prices. Every night at about 11pm return to the bar that your favourite girl is at and hopefully she will still be there. If not, move on to your second choice etc. Bear in mind that if you miss out on a stunner (or as happened to me, you see a 10/10 but she's with another customer) you can return the next day at 7pm when the bar opens, to make sure you get chance to chat with her. The longer you are there, the bigger your 'mental shortlist' will be.

Insomnia is located just a short distance from the main Fields Avenue drag and it seemed to me that most of the best-looking girls were still there after midnight. Other than that, after midnight your best bet might be just to go to the bigger bars (Atlantis, Blue Nile, Crystal Palace, Dollhouse etc).[/QUOTE]Excellent advice! Am off tonight. Leaving LAX this PM.

Thanks again

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1286661]Hi Undercover,

I enjoyed reading your post. I am an American business professor who guest lectures in Vietnam twice annually with side trips to Cambo, Thailand, Indonesia and, of course the Philippines. I have a similar plan to retire in the PI / Negros Oriental in 10 years or less (lived in AC as a USAF officer in the 80s). I was thinking of getting married there (to a sexy young RN) but may just opt for the live-in maid arrangement with frequent visits from a variety of sexy, young, built Pinays. What a great way to live out The Golden Years!

As you stated, it is way too expensive in America; American media and culture taints all foreign women who come to live here; the elderly are not respected here; and the price of young pussy is unaffordable and lame. So, one is left to settle for some wrinkly, bitchy, fat, old, battle ax. NOT! My relatives think I'm nuts but they have NO IDEA what they are missing! Regards and happy horndogging fellow mongers! If you see any busty ones please sound off![/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback. My relatives also think I am nuts for living in Asia. There is only a small elite group of us who understands the reason why a man would want to live in Asia. Everyone else will never understand. But that is fine, that just leaves more Asian women for us in the Philippines, Thailand, etc. I have 8 years to go before I retire. However, tomorrow is not promised. Therefore, I want to have as much fun as I can now. Fun for me is not buying a new gold watch or spending $1,000s on name brand cloths. For me, fun is having my cute 19 year old Filipina girlfriend on top of me at night, giving me lots of hugs, kisses, and real GFE loving making. Taking a shower with her in the morning and having wash my back, face, legs, and other parts of my body. Watching TV while she cooks breakfast for us. As a young man, these are the things I took for granted. As I have aged, these are the things that are the most valuable to me.

As I get older, being with younger women (over 18) is a joy for me. It is not just about the sex, but their youthful outlook on life and the energy they have. The fact that so many things to them are new and they will actually listen to my advice. With American women my age, they are battle worn and they know it all. Try giving them advice and you get 50 reasons why you are wrong and a debate. Plus, I have been with women my age and their body looks old with wrinkles everywhere (around the mouth, face, lips, chest, ass, etc.). I truly have no desire to bang them. The great thing about Asia is that it is acceptable for an older man to be with a younger woman. In Asia, you will see many examples of this. In America, unless the guy has lots of cash, you will generally not see younger women with older men.

After living in the oasis of Asia, I cannot go back to the desert of America. The bottom line is, in Asia, men are in charge. In America, the women are in charge. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1286350]It's like there is something in the water that ruins women in the USA and Western Europe too for that matter. Whether they are homegrown or Asian imports, their dispositions and attitudes turn ugly after a while. I think the culture of the West with it's never ending feminNazi propaganda and molding of young girls psyche combined with an uncertain constantly changing, yet never satisfying materialistic post modern society is the root cause of the problem. The result after decades of this pernicious influence is devastating. Just look at the birthrates. We may be witnessing the fall of Western civilization for all I know. LOL. Good thing I won't be around when the end comes. In the meantime, I am just going to work hard in the USA and have my fun in Asia. One day I hope to say bye bye America for the last time and settle down to the good life as an expat lost somewhere in South East Asia. You are fortunate Undercoverh, to have it all now, although I know you had to work real hard to get it.[/QUOTE]I agree with your comments. Also, the last time I was in America, I saw this normal looking guy with this fat lady (in her mid 50s) having dinner. She was eating lots of food and ordering more. I felt sorry for the guy because this is what he had to do to get laid. That is, feed the fat pig in hopes she will spread her over weight legs later that night so he can try to find the chubby hole. Now, if this same guy was in Asia, he would be having dinner with a young Asian girl. And, the fat lady would be eating by herself.

Since paying for sex in America is not legal (with the exception of parts of Las Vegas, which way over priced) regular American women use their pussy to get what they want. That is, guys to put up with their BS and listen to their endless complaints. The women know guys do not have much choice except to put up with thier BS if he wants to have sex with them. It is not like the guy in American can go out and pay for sex at a go-go bar or massage outlet -- there are none! In Asian, pussy is for sale everywhere. Plus, if you do not want to buy it, there are tons of regular ladies who love to meet an American guy provide sex. The regular Asian women know their pussy is not valuable. Simply because there is an over supply of pussy in Asia and it is available everywhere -- with very little effort to obtain it.

In America, if you get caught paying for sex, your name will be in the newspaper and your face flashed on the local news. The police will make statements as if they just caught a major criminal. Because of the fear of going to jail, most guys date fat old bitches just to have half-ass sex.

In Asia, no body cares you pay for sex and the supply is endless. The regular Asian women have to keep their man happy with sex, because they know he can easily go somewhere else. Plus, they do not want to give him lots of BS, for fear the guy may leave her.

Have fun!

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1286955]I.

Since paying for sex in America is not legal (with the exception of parts of Las Vegas, which way over priced) regular American women use their pussy to get what they want. That is, guys to put up with their BS and listen to their endless complaints. The women know guys do not have much choice except to put up with thier BS if he wants to have sex with them. It is not like the guy in American can go out and pay for sex at a go-go bar or massage outlet. There are none! In Asian, pussy is for sale everywhere. Plus, if you do not want to buy it, there are tons of regular ladies who love to meet an American guy provide sex. The regular Asian women know their pussy is not valuable. Simply because there is an over supply of pussy in Asia and it is available everywhere. With very little effort to obtain it.

In America, if you get caught paying for sex, your name will be in the newspaper and your face flashed on the local news. The police will make statements as if they just caught a major criminal. Because of the fear of going to jail, most guys date fat old bitches just to have half-ass sex.

Have fun![/QUOTE]UC,

While I agree with the intention of your post, there is one small thing you should clarify. Prostitution in Clark County, Nevada (Where Las Vegas is located) is ILLEGAL!

Most of the higher end casinos make an attempt to keep the WG's at a very low key so as not to offend the civilians. Now the husbands / boyfriends have a entirely diffeent viewpoint.

It is true however that the adjoining counties have legal brothels and your are correct that IT IS OFF THE HOOK EXPENSIVE! There is an HBO program about one of the brothels that is pretty entertaining. I am not sure if it is still being produced or not.

I won't say I have never had a "hooker" in Vegas, but the last time I did, my brother and I (this was in 2002) got a "deal" from what was truly a stunning lady. She gave us each an hour for the same amount today I can have two nights with a gal in HK or Shanghai, and probably a week in Thailand or the Phils. Okay maybe a little overdone, but in the ballpark.

In the late 90's I used to get a kick out of watching all the L. A. And San Fran."weekend warriors" head to Vegas to ply their trade on Thursday night or Friday and "back home" on Sunday. The airlines should have given a "working girl" discount.

Preach on my brother! We are singing the same song. Although I would include So. Amer in your post as well as a great destination!

Hey, Undercover. Thanks for some great posts. They are down to earth and easy to read and have a lot of wisdom.

In the same vein, one of the things I noticed from going to Asia and the Phils in particular, is the sense of freedom which I personally feel while I'm there. Just knowing that getting sex is not a problem and is freely availablel. No need to be anxious about it. I've often watched younger guys thronging the sports bars in the US, hootin' and hollerin' and rooting hard for some team, and wondered if perhaps its just a case of sexual energy getting diverted. No outlet. If they were in the Phils maybe they would just go get laid and then chill.

Sometimes I read about some Wall St guy who just made a killing and who is supposed to be 'on top of the world' but I question that. I think that some of the mongers on this board have more fun and freedom.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1286955]In Asia, no body cares you pay for sex and the supply is endless. The regular Asian women have to keep their man happy with sex, because they know he can easily go somewhere else. Plus, they do not want to give him lots of BS, for fear the guy may leave her.

Have fun![/QUOTE]Very true, they have this unique attitude of being very light hearted on sex.

Same as in Brazil, where the ratio women / men varies from 22 to 12 female each male (depends on the zones)

[QUOTE=Dashing Don; 1286984]Hey, Undercover. Thanks for some great posts. They are down to earth and easy to read and have a lot of wisdom.

In the same vein, one of the things I noticed from going to Asia and the Phils in particular, is the sense of freedom which I personally feel while I'm there. Just knowing that getting sex is not a problem and is freely availablel. No need to be anxious about it. I've often watched younger guys thronging the sports bars in the US, hootin' and hollerin' and rooting hard for some team, and wondered if perhaps its just a case of sexual energy getting diverted. No outlet. If they were in the Phils maybe they would just go get laid and then chill.

Sometimes I read about some Wall St guy who just made a killing and who is supposed to be 'on top of the world' but I question that. I think that some of the mongers on this board have more fun and freedom.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your feedback, I agree with your comments. It is funny, the Wall St. Guys will often pay $1, 000s for a couple of hours of sex with cute young women. The same goes for American movie stars who pay high class hookers tons of money, then the movie star or Wall St. Guy gets busted. Then, it becomes big news in America. An adult male paying for sex with an adult woman! People are actually shocked that men want to have sex with women and willing to pay for it. Never mind that, this has been going on since the start of time.

To add to the BS, it is just fine that a guy makes a porn movie, pays the girl to have sex with a man, and then film it, then sale the DVDs. This form of paying for sex is legal. And people wonder why I live in Asia! Have fun!

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1286950]Thanks for the feedback. My relatives also think I am nuts for living in Asia. There is only a small elite group of us who understands the reason why a man would want to live in Asia. Everyone else will never understand. But that is fine, that just leaves more Asian women for us in the Philippines, Thailand, etc. I have 8 years to go before I retire. However, tomorrow is not promised. Therefore, I want to have as much fun as I can now. Fun for me is not buying a new gold watch or spending $1, 000s on name brand cloths. For me, fun is having my cute 19 year old Filipina girlfriend on top of me at night, giving me lots of hugs, kisses, and real GFE loving making. Taking a shower with her in the morning and having wash my back, face, legs, and other parts of my body. Watching TV while she cooks breakfast for us. As a young man, these are the things I took for granted. As I have aged, these are the things that are the most valuable to me.

As I get older, being with younger women (over 18) is a joy for me. It is not just about the sex, but their youthful outlook on life and the energy they have. The fact that so many things to them are new and they will actually listen to my advice. With American women my age, they are battle worn and they know it all. Try giving them advice and you get 50 reasons why you are wrong and a debate. Plus, I have been with women my age and their body looks old with wrinkles everywhere (around the mouth, face, lips, chest, ass, etc.). I truly have no desire to bang them. The great thing about Asia is that it is acceptable for an older man to be with a younger woman. In Asia, you will see many examples of this. In America, unless the guy has lots of cash, you will generally not see younger women with older men.

After living in the oasis of Asia, I cannot go back to the desert of America. The bottom line is, in Asia, men are in charge. In America, the women are in charge. Have fun![/QUOTE]There are pitfalls living in Asia. Security is the biggest one. Heard of how many murders took place in AC?

As soon as a foreigner starts living in Phi he becomes a target for robbery, kidnapping and extortion not to mention asking for handouts.

Things are kind of changing in Phi also. Many young girls are not much happy walking around with a older foreigner anymore. Previously it was like showing off a trophy catch being with a foreigner. Now they get weird looks from other philippinos.

Things are changing in dating websites also. Young 18-19 year old girls specify for guys under 30. Only the desparate poor girls do not mind being with old foreigners. Even in AC and Manila Bay Cafe I have seen young fairly good looking girls refuse old men. Now bars are attracting lots of younger men especially from other asian countries. I asked my young contacts if they are willing to live with a old guy in Phi. All said they would rather go to a foreigner country than being shamed in Phi.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1287119]There are pitfalls living in Asia. Security is the biggest one. Heard of how many murders took place in AC?

As soon as a foreigner starts living in Phi he becomes a target for robbery, kidnapping and extortion not to mention asking for handouts.

Things are kind of changing in Phi also. Many young girls are not much happy walking around with a older foreigner anymore. Previously it was like showing off a trophy catch being with a foreigner. Now they get weird looks from other philippinos.

Things are changing in dating websites also. Young 18-19 year old girls specify for guys under 30. Only the desparate poor girls do not mind being with old foreigners. Even in AC and Manila Bay Cafe I have seen young fairly good looking girls refuse old men. Now bars are attracting lots of younger men especially from other asian countries. I asked my young contacts if they are willing to live with a old guy in Phi. All said they would rather go to a foreigner country than being shamed in Phi.[/QUOTE]I understand your concerns regarding living in Asia. Many Western men have the same concerns you do, which prevents them from enjoying the life style Asia has to offer. However, that is ok. Living in Asia is not for every guy. In addition, no country is utopia. Each country, generally speaking, will have its advantages and disadvantages. Now, having said that, there are a few important points to consider:

1.

You had mentioned,"As soon as a foreigner starts living in Phi he becomes a target for robbery, kidnapping and extortion not to mention asking for handouts." With respect to crime, the fact is, American has more violent crimes than the Philippines and most other countries in Asia. In fact, American has more bank robberies, more violent gangs, more illegal drug use than the Philippines. The list goes on. Do not get me wrong, I like my home country. But the fact is, if you are concerned about crime, and you currently live in America, you have a higher chance of being a victim of crime living in American compared to living in the Philippines.

If you are careful when you travel to the Philppines, or any Asian country for that matter, the chance of you having problems are very low. I have seen guys walk around drunk in AC at 3:00 am. That is not being careful. He may be a target for crime. However, if you hang-out in AC during the day or evening (or other places in the Philippines during the same time) you should not have a problem.

During the past 28 years, I have visited Asian countries. During the past 14 years, I have lived in Asia. During the past 28 years, I have visited the Philippines more than 75 times. I have been to many places in the Philippines. During that time, I have never encountered robbery, kidnapping, or extortion, as you have stated. However, I have experienced folks asking for handouts. However, I think you would agree, that happens all over the world in country. That is simply a fact of life.

Regarding the murders in AC. When a person digs a little deeper regarding those murders, most were have turned out to be murders for hire. That is, the people that were killed because of a businss deal gone bad, bar ownder pissed off someone, etc. Or, someone not being careful and walking down a dark street alone and drunk in the early morning.

Also, in my many many mnay tirps to the Philippines, I have never had a problem with crime.

2.

Regarding your statement,"many young girls are not much happy walking around with a older foreigner anymore." I guess it really depends on the guy. If the guy is ugly beyond belief, fatter than a bus, has not taken a bath since 2011, has one tooth, girls may not want to been seen with me. However, from what I seen, there are lots of young girls walking with a smile on their face when they are with their older Western boyfriend. In fact, my girlfriend is always asking for me to spend more time with her. As of this date, I still see tons of young girls with older men many Asian countries.

Regarding your statement "only the desparate poor girls do not mind being with old foreigners." I fail to see the problem with this. If the girl is young, cute, and she wants to be with an older guy, it works out well. The older man is desparate for a younger women, and the younger women is desparate for an older man. Sounds like a good match to me. Whom am I to stand in their way or judge them.

3.

You had mentioned,"even in AC and Manila Bay Cafe I have seen young fairly good looking girls refuse old men." I do not understand what this can prove. I have seen young good looking women refuse young guys also. There are many reasons why a women will not select a man. Maybe the guy, if she is a bar girl, did not offer enough money. He wanted LT, she only offered ST. The bottom line is, a hooker will fuck any guy for the right amount of money. And it will have nothing to do with age.

4,

You had asked your young contacts if they are willing to live with a old guy in Phi, and they all said they would rather go to a foreigner country than being shamed in Phi. Thank God, these female friends of yours, I have never met. And, I hope to never meet them. I will stick with the sweet and lovely young Filipinas I have met on my many trips to the Philippines -- who enjoy being with older men.

Why do most young Asian girls want to be with older men. Simply stated, the young guys in their own countries are dead beats, jerks, and "A" holes. Most all of the young guys in the Philippines, when they give a girl a baby, the guy is no where to be found. Same in Thailand. I have met so many young single mothers in the Philippines and in Thailand. They are looking for an older stable guy to love them and take care of them. Most young guys, can hardly take care of theirselfs.

Now, will some young girls not want an older guy -- yes. Will this apply to all younger girls -- no. Is there still lots of younger girls that would be happy with an older man -- yes.

If you do not feel comfortable with going to the Philippines, then by all means do not go. If you feel younger women do not like older men, then by all means avoid the Philippines when you get old. However, in all my trips to Asia, I have never experienced any of the things you are referring to. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1285782]I agree with your comments about the prices and the change in the girls attuide. I guess the Mama is just as bad as the girls. All of this is why I have stayed on A. Santos and Raymond st. The girls are not the best looking, but they generally give good service and you can find 18 and 19 yo gems every now and then. I am not into doing older ladies with kids, but I met a 26 yo lady at Raymond who had 2 kids. When I first met her, I thought she was around 20 yo with a nice slim body. Also, she was really very cute with a lovely smile. I was shocked to find out she was older with 2 kids. She gave great service and an excellent BBBJ and she had a wonderful attitude. She told me she was there on Raymond for 4 weeks only then she was going back home to use the money to help support her kids. Same story, her boyfriend gave her 2 kids and left her. My point of the story is that lots of girls on Raymond and Santos are not pros, they just stop in to make some extra bucks to get by. Whereas, the Fields Ave girls are pros and know all the games, they talk to each other, and the all try to play the game of bait and switch.

As for me, I think I will stick with Raymond and Santso. It only cost 700 for 2 hours. 1200 to 1400 for 12 hours and the girls have way better attitude then Fields. When you walk into the big clubs (Atlantis) , notice that the girls on the stage act like they are not hookers. They try to act like models, with model attitudes. One guy on this post noted he paid 3, 000 for ST with one of these girls from Atlantis. As for me, no way in hell I am going to pay 3000 for ST with a girl from AC. The guy noted that the girl stated she would only do ST. That is the next problem, we guys are paying for this and the girls are getting away with it.

With all of this being said, I agree that AC is still cheaper then Manila. Also, no place else in the Phili where you can find 1, 000 or more hookers in 60 clubs all within approx. 5 blocks, better known as Fields Ave. Of course AC is like a little shit hole with not much to do in the day, but it has girls, girls, girls! For me 2 to 4 days is enough in AC. I stay at Pacific Breeze, get a nice room, get in-room massage servcie availabe 24 hours from one of the local massage place. I take a driver to the new mall there or go to SM. I relax by the pool, etc. Once or twice a day, I go to Santos or Raymond, get a nice girl for LT or ST and enjoy my time with her. As for me, I do not want a Fields ave girl because they will spoil my mood with their bad attitude and games. However, I still like to bar hop, not to barfine, but just to play with the girls. Bare in mind, the girls are all nice and sweet in the club, so that is the only part I enjoy, playing with their tits, getting feels, watching the shows. For nice sex with a nice girl and no games, I head to Raymond or Santos.

Overall, I guess I am getting tired of hookers. I have had a few hundered hookers since coming to Asia 14 years ago. As a result, I have a 19 year Filipina girlfriend in Manila and we have small apartment together. Well, I am not there often as I work in Hong Kong. That has proven to be an overall nicer experience then always being with hookers (nice to have sex with no condom with no condom and no worries about STD, she loves being with me, a true and real GFE). I spend about 15, 000P a month for all of her expense (our apartment, food, light bill, etc). She is working 10 hours a day in the food industry and she makes around 7, 000 month. One day, I will not go to AC anymore and leave it to the next generation of mongers.

Some guys out there may feel a need to post an email about my comments of spending 15, 000P on a Filipna and supporting her, please do not. I know of all the reasons why I should NOT do it. But consider this, I have spent 15, 000P (or approx. $350) on high class super model Asian hookers (18 and 19 year old) in Korea and Japan. These girls were 10s in every way, but they only stay with you for 2 to 3 hours. So, for me to spend this amonut on one girl for an entire month is a deal for me, plus she is not banging a ton of other guys. Plus, for me. 15, 000P is really no big deal to me, it is really a very small amount of money to me to pay each month. When I lived in America many many years ago, I would spend that much on a couple of dates. And not even get a kiss at the end of the date. Yikes, I do not miss living in American and the women there. Now, that is true BS to the max. I feel sorry for any guy that lives in American and has to put up with American women and try to date and have sex with them. There, you will pay a ton of money and get a ton of BS. And if you marry them and breakup, you will pay a ton of money in court ordered support.

I know, some of you will write, but your Filipina is banging other guys when you not there. In some situations, that will happen. Like being married! How many of you guys out there know of a guy that was marreid and his wife was banging another guy. Hey, that may have happen to you. Also, the husband and wife lived in the same house. My point is, just because a guy is not with a women, does not mean she will automaticlly bang other guys. If a women want to do it, she will do it even if you live in the same house with her everyday.

With my girlfriend and many other young poor Filipinas, they know if a man is supporting them they have a good life. So why are they going to cheat with a local poor guy and live a difficult like. With my girlfriend, I have told her point blank that if she is not faithful to me, she will be back living in a shack with no running water, no lights, and no food, etc. This sounds rough, but this is my insurance policy. Plus, I treat her nice and she. Ok, I know. Do not laugh, sayes she loves me. I feel she is sincere. I have seen a lot of BS in my life, so I am good at spoting BS. And this young girl is legit. True love is what will keep a woman from cheating on you. Also, most important, she is not a hooker. I would never trust a hooker in this situation and support her. The key is to find a young, nice, sweet girl, not the most pretty, that is simply looking for a man to love them. And take care of them. I have met a lot of Filipinas like this.

My point of this story is, the Phili not only offer millions of hookers, but also regualar girls that will bang ya, give you true love, and a real GFE. If you meet 10 regluar Filipinas. 7 will give you BS. 2 will not workout for whatever reason, but that one will be a keeper. This has been my experience in the Phili. Your situation and outcome may be different.[/QUOTE]To Undercoverh.

I didn't see anyone doable at Santo bow row the last trip lot less girl than last yr and all nighter few is up to 1200 peso was 100 p after midnight last yr. I like to ask you have you got a runner there before, I have a few girl at santo before they do try harder and better attuide than the field girl.

Fast Eddie 48

Fantastic posts 'Undercoverh'. Keep up the good work. I agree with practically everything you say.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1287302]I understand your concerns regarding living in Asia. Many Western men have the same concerns you do, which prevents them from enjoying the life style Asia has to offer. However, that is ok. Living in Asia is not for every guy. In addition, no country is utopia. Each country, generally speaking, will have its advantages and disadvantages. Now, having said that, there are a few important points to consider:[/QUOTE]

[quote=undercoverh; 1287302]i understand your concerns regarding living in asia. many western men have the same concerns you do, which prevents them from enjoying the life style asia has to offer. however, that is ok. living in asia is not for every guy. in addition, no country is utopia. each country, generally speaking, will have its advantages and disadvantages. now, having said that, there are a few important points to consider:

1.

you had mentioned,"as soon as a foreigner starts living in phi he becomes a target for robbery, kidnapping and extortion not to mention asking for handouts." with respect to crime, the fact is, american has more violent crimes than the philippines and most other countries in asia. in fact, american has more bank robberies, more violent gangs, more illegal drug use than the philippines. the list goes on. do not get me wrong, i like my home country. but the fact is, if you are concerned about crime, and you currently live in america, you have a higher chance of being a victim of crime living in american compared to living in the philippines.

if you are careful when you travel to the philppines, or any asian country for that matter, the chance of you having problems are very low. i have seen guys walk around drunk in ac at 3:00 am. that is not being careful. he may be a target for crime. however, if you hang-out in ac during the day or evening (or other places in the philippines during the same time) you should not have a problem.

during the past 28 years, i have visited asian countries. during the past 14 years, i have lived in asia. during the past 28 years, i have visited the philippines more than 75 times. i have been to many places in the philippines. during that time, i have never encountered robbery, kidnapping, or extortion, as you have stated. however, i have experienced folks asking for handouts. however, i think you would agree, that happens all over the world in country. that is simply a fact of life.

regarding the murders in ac. when a person digs a little deeper regarding those murders, most were have turned out to be murders for hire. that is, the people that were killed because of a businss deal gone bad, bar ownder pissed off someone, etc. or, someone not being careful and walking down a dark street alone and drunk in the early morning.

also, in my many many mnay tirps to the philippines, i have never had a problem with crime.[/quote]don't know where you get your statistics, but going to disagree to a point here in regards to safety on different tangents. the area that most of us are visiting and talking about is a red light district. whether that is in the fields / perimeter area or malate / ermita in manila, they're red light areas. people know why we are there for the most part and we are more of a target. the deaths of foreigners here in angeles to me are not to be dismissed so easily. it's a reminder to be extra careful. you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off a local here and it can come back more than ten fold. they have nothing to lose. we have everything to lose. i don't know where you lived in america, but i don't have the gang issue in my area or anywhere close. most gang affiliated areas are poverty stricken areas. i don't look back behind me nearly as much as i do in ac or manila or anywhere in the pi compared to when i'm at home. why is that? because i know where i'm at. do i believe i'm more likely to be a victim of violence in the states than i do in ac? hell no! i watch my back in ac. i try to avoid disputes and rather take a small loss than get into it with the wrong people here which happens way more than it does at home and i'm not an instigator. it just comes with the territory. people are in your face in ac and you got to watch yourself. a lot of the people on the street are immature, and they will react like children and not think. they'll go with their emotions. to me, that's dangerous and means you have to be on guard even more so.

another thing on safety is in regards to walking around or even being in a vehicle. these people are idiots on bikes and cars and trikes. they play a game of chicken constantly with you at speeds where you can get hurt sometimes real badly especially if they miss. whether you are at fault or not does not matter. the foreigner most likely will pay.

i've been traveling a long time myself and i definitely don't feel safer in any mongering area in philippines compared to when i'm at home. sure they're are potentially violent areas rep001tered across a big diverse country like the states. i don't normally find myself in those areas, but i do find myself in such areas when in the philippines.

[quote=key master; 1287558]don't know where you get your statistics, but going to disagree to a point here in regards to safety on different tangents. the area that most of us are visiting and talking about is a red light district. whether that is in the fields / perimeter area or malate / ermita in manila, they're red light areas. people know why we are there for the most part and we are more of a target. the deaths of foreigners here in angeles to me are not to be dismissed so easily. it's a reminder to be extra careful. you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off a local here and it can come back more than ten fold. they have nothing to lose. we have everything to lose. i don't know where you lived in america, but i don't have the gang issue in my area or anywhere close. most gang affiliated areas are poverty stricken areas. i don't look back behind me nearly as much as i do in ac or manila or anywhere in the pi compared to when i'm at home. why is that? because i know where i'm at. do i believe i'm more likely to be a victim of violence in the states than i do in ac? hell no! i watch my back in ac. i try to avoid disputes and rather take a small loss than get into it with the wrong people here which happens way more than it does at home and i'm not an instigator. it just comes with the territory. people are in your face in ac and you got to watch yourself. a lot of the people on the street are immature, and they will react like children and not think. they'll go with their emotions. to me, that's dangerous and means you have to be on guard even more so.

another thing on safety is in regards to walking around or even being in a vehicle. these people are idiots on bikes and cars and trikes. they play a game of chicken constantly with you at speeds where you can get hurt sometimes real badly especially if they miss. whether you are at fault or not does not matter. the foreigner most likely will pay.

i've been traveling a long time myself and i definitely don't feel safer in any mongering area in philippines compared to when i'm at home. sure they're are potentially violent areas rep001tered across a big diverse country like the states. i don't normally find myself in those areas, but i do find myself in such areas when in the philippines.[/quote]i agree with you. i do not think it's safe in the philippines, especially in the areas where we visit. see this link for bbc philippines' annual report on crimes in the philippines. it's published annually around october. [url]http://bccphil.com/uploadfiles/file/psa[/url]%20%20philippines%20monthly%20crime%20report%20%20october%202011. pdf

great post km. i basically agree with the points undercover makes, but he leaves out some important things and km as hit on a few of those.

i spend a lot of time in tokyo which is probably the safest big city in the world. but as a foreigner you stand out and you become "of interest" to any all all weirdos and racists. i had a guy come up and insult my girl the other day because she was with a foreigner. if i'd had a few beers i might have belted him, but in the end just ignored him. we also happened to be right in front of a police substation. which may be why the little fkr was so brave.

i've also been hiking in remote area of cebu and had a guy walk up to me carrying a machete. gulp. he had seen me taking pictures of coconut trees and offerred to climb up the tree and fetch one for me. we shared some coconut, had a chat, and i was on my way. if i'd stayed any longer he probably would have introduced me to his daughter! x.

[quote=key master; 1287558]don't know where you get your statistics, but going to disagree to a point here in regards to safety on different tangents. the area that most of us are visiting and talking about is a red light district. whether that is in the fields / perimeter area or malate / ermita in manila, they're red light areas. people know why we are there for the most part and we are more of a target. the deaths of foreigners here in angeles to me are not to be dismissed so easily. it's a reminder to be extra careful. you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off a local here and it can come back more than ten fold. they have nothing to lose. we have everything to lose. i don't know where you lived in america, but i don't have the gang issue in my area or anywhere close. most gang affiliated areas are poverty stricken areas. i don't look back behind me nearly as much as i do in ac or manila or anywhere in the pi compared to when i'm at home. why is that? because i know where i'm at. do i believe i'm more likely to be a victim of violence in the states than i do in ac? hell no! i watch my back in ac. i try to avoid disputes and rather take a small loss than get into it with the wrong people here which happens way more than it does at home and i'm not an instigator. it just comes with the territory. people are in your face in ac and you got to watch yourself. a lot of the people on the street are immature, and they will react like children and not think. they'll go with their emotions. to me, that's dangerous and means you have to be on guard even more so.

another thing on safety is in regards to walking around or even being in a vehicle. these people are idiots on bikes and cars and trikes. they play a game of chicken constantly with you at speeds where you can get hurt sometimes real badly especially if they miss. whether you are at fault or not does not matter. the foreigner most likely will pay.

i've been traveling a long time myself and i definitely don't feel safer in any mongering area in philippines compared to when i'm at home. sure they're are potentially violent areas rep001tered across a big diverse country like the states. i don't normally find myself in those areas, but i do find myself in such areas when in the philippines.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1286955]I agree with your comments. Also, the last time I was in America, I saw this normal looking guy with this fat lady (in her mid 50s) having dinner. She was eating lots of food and ordering more. I felt sorry for the guy because this is what he had to do to get laid. That is, feed the fat pig in hopes she will spread her over weight legs later that night so he can try to find the chubby hole. Now, if this same guy was in Asia, he would be having dinner with a young Asian girl. And, the fat lady would be eating by herself.

Since paying for sex in America is not legal (with the exception of parts of Las Vegas, which way over priced) regular American women use their pussy to get what they want. That is, guys to put up with their BS and listen to their endless complaints. The women know guys do not have much choice except to put up with thier BS if he wants to have sex with them. It is not like the guy in American can go out and pay for sex at a go-go bar or massage outlet. There are none! In Asian, pussy is for sale everywhere. Plus, if you do not want to buy it, there are tons of regular ladies who love to meet an American guy provide sex. The regular Asian women know their pussy is not valuable. Simply because there is an over supply of pussy in Asia and it is available everywhere. With very little effort to obtain it.

In America, if you get caught paying for sex, your name will be in the newspaper and your face flashed on the local news. The police will make statements as if they just caught a major criminal. Because of the fear of going to jail, most guys date fat old bitches just to have half-ass sex.

In Asia, no body cares you pay for sex and the supply is endless. The regular Asian women have to keep their man happy with sex, because they know he can easily go somewhere else. Plus, they do not want to give him lots of BS, for fear the guy may leave her.

Have fun![/QUOTE]LOL! Maybe the overweight fat woman has lots of money and was paying the normal looking guy to be with her.

I barfine a nice girl few week ago at Road house the manager david an american form california told me the girl I barfine is from a big family with 12 kid and she is the oldest of 12, he is right she is the best GFE I got out of all the girl that I barfine this trip stay all night until 9. Am next morning she hug me all night, I ask her why his father have so many kid she said my father love my mom too much, that in China is the law to have only one kid and she don't believe, girl in PI too naive to learn about birth control have 2 girl try to do me bare back I said no way don't want to take this kind of chance, I don't even do a DIA girl BB a few yr ago in Cebu not going to do no bar girl now.

Fast Eddie 48

[quote=key master;1287558]i've been traveling a long time myself and i definitely don't feel safer in any mongering area in philippines compared to when i'm at home[/quote]the notion that it's generally safer in the philippines than in the united states is completely absurd. i know fear of violent crime is often exaggerated in the philippines (as it is in the united states). but people who think america is generally less safe are usually just desperately trying to justify why they moved to the philippines.

if you polled 1, 000 visitors to both places and asked "on a family vacation with small children, where will you feel safer from crime: manila or new york city", your answer will nearly be unanimous.

there is also an issue of ghetto avoidability. there are indeed pockets of bad inner city areas in america. but they're located where few residents will voluntarily go, and certainly not where tourists will go. but in manila, you cannot avoid it. i lived in los angeles for a decade and the only time i encountered gang infested areas is speeding by it at 65 miles per hour on the 110 freeway.

i'm not even going to talk about the reputation of the philippine national police. all i'll say is, i haven't read any stories about nypd or fbi officers soliciting bribes from tourists.

look, if you live in the philippines, i know you want to others to believe you made the right choice. but making outrageous claims about crime and safety there does nobody any favors. you're only giving some newbies on their first trip to the philippines a false and potentially dangerous sense of security. fortunately, most newbies are smarter than that.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1286318]And here is my last point on Aisa. I will never retire in America. Old people in America are treated like crap. If you have money, income of at least $2, 000 a month, you can retire in Asia like a king (e. G, the Philippines or Thailand) when you are old. When I get too old and need to be in a rest home, I will hire a Filipina nurse, stay at my nice apartment in the Philippines, and have her take care of me in addition to my maid takiing care of me. Both will cost lest than $300. Trying fidning that in the USA for the same price. If you are an old guy in the Philippines and you got bucks in your pocket, you will never be lonely. You will always have access to young Filipina pussy and they will be happy to provide BBBJ and sex. My have a old buddy of mine that lives on an island in the Philippines. He has a live in maid. He maid a deal with her to cook, clean, wash, and provide sex and BBBJ as needed. The maid knows it is not a relathionship, but she is happy to provide extra servcie for an extra price. He told me, each sex section is an extra $10 and blow job is an extra $5. So he pays her $75 a month for being a maid and an extra $100 a month (this is the average per month) for sex servcies. The maid is in her 52s, my buddy is 73. If he lived in Ameica, no way in hell could he have this arrangement. Or, have a younger women willing to bang him. Also note that the Philippines now has a retirement visa. Check the websites of the Philppine government to find out more.

Well, that's my 2 cents on the subject of jobs, women, and retirement. And remember what free advice is worth. :.) [/QUOTE]Read some of your post and there are many points I could relate to.

Only concern I have with PI (as many others have answered) is that it is a poor shit country with rampant crime (most of which is under reported or reported at all). Don't get me wrong as I have been to Manila and AC and Subic for many years on and off and I have witness many crimes myself (also been a victim also of a broad day mugging 4 years back in Manila. If it wasn't for the safety concern I would retire in PI in a heartbeat. Cost maybe alot cheaper in PI but sometimes money is not everything. My next choice was going to be Thailand but I don't really speak the lingo so can feel lost quickly if can't communicate with the gal of my dreams.

And unlike others I don't plan to work when I retire (for me retirement= NO MORE WORK) so now saving for this day .
Also agree with you that I don't plan to retire at home either but don't have a good choice right now as I am still searching. When the time cums I may have to compromise though. We'll see then.

[QUOTE=Big Fun; 1285850]Hey, good post. I agree. 15, 000 is not a whole lot of $$$. I've spent that much in a night, maybe even in the Phils, although I can't remember (which probably means I did!). I live in the US and I am late 40s so when I thinking about dating here. Yech!

Sometimes, I wonder if I should just get one hot young Filipina, rather than chasing bar girls, and not worry about anything else. Chicks are generally faithful, kind, and pleasing in bed if you are good to them and they feel the financial situation is stable.

Anyway, good for you, sounds like a pleasing arrangement.

JC[/QUOTE]Don't count on that as I have met many that thought the same thing only to be a sugar daddy to the gals. Many have been known to "date" others when you are not around.

[QUOTE=X Man;1275809]Last time I was in AC I had a shapely BlwRow gal who was quite nice in personality and looks. Except for a really unfortunate mouth. Apparently, she was doing something about it since she had braces on her teeth. For some reason, I was oddly attracted to exploring her mouth / braces with my tongue. Yes, I know perfectly well what she may have had in her mouth earlier, but this is AC after all. X.[/QUOTE]Hey X Man, not sure if you ever read my old post about a Santos Blowrow gal I picked few years back. She was about 19-20yrs old, little tummy, ok looker but Greatest BJ ever. Reason for a good BJ-she had no front teeth so no issues accidental teeth rubbing against cock.

Well, you have to give credit to a girl who takes a disadvantage and works it into an advantage.

I used to have a slightly chipped front tooth. I had a girl who went crazy when I rubbed her clit on the edges of my chipped tooth. Subsequent gals didn't seem to have the same reaction, so I finally got it fixed.

I guess, I'm off topic. Sorry. X.

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2;1289476]Hey X Man, not sure if you ever read my old post about a Santos Blowrow gal I picked few years back. She was about 19-20yrs old, little tummy, ok looker but Greatest BJ ever. Reason for a good BJ-she had no front teeth so no issues accidental teeth rubbing against cock.[/QUOTE]

I had three girls in the pool at wild orchid rsort on santos street. The manager told them to leave and that they are not allowed in the pool?

What the fuck.

I talked to the manager and he told me I need to be with them in the pool when they are there.

If I am in the room they are not allowed in the pool.

They have been adding more restrictive rules with their hotel.

Normal take more and give less.

My girl told me that the manager told her that too many girls in the pool and they will be told to leave also.

Has anyone had any other problems with the hotlel or management at this place.

It has been a great place to come for the last four years but now they are up to something to cut down on the girls?

Does not make sense to me.

They have pool parties with lots of girls there

[QUOTE=MauiDude; 1289620]I had three girls in the pool at wild orchid rsort on santos street. The manager told them to leave and that they are not allowed in the pool?

What the fuck.

I talked to the manager and he told me I need to be with them in the pool when they are there.

If I am in the room they are not allowed in the pool.

They have been adding more restrictive rules with their hotel.

Normal take more and give less.

My girl told me that the manager told her that too many girls in the pool and they will be told to leave also.

Has anyone had any other problems with the hotlel or management at this place.

It has been a great place to come for the last four years but now they are up to something to cut down on the girls?

Does not make sense to me.

They have pool parties with lots of girls there[/QUOTE]I'm guessing they want the girls to be with a guest at the pool at all times. Very common at most hotels. If they don't do this, any girls from off the street could just go swimming and say they are with a guest at the hotel right?

[QUOTE=MauiDude;1289620]I had three girls in the pool at wild orchid rsort on santos street. The manager told them to leave and that they are not allowed in the pool? What the fuck.[/QUOTE]Probably the same would have happened if you brought 3 male friends. Go imagine if every single hotel guest brings 3 friend at the pool and then retires in his room...

[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1288022]Look, if you live in the Philippines, I know you want to others to believe you made the right choice. But making outrageous claims about crime and safety there does nobody any favors. You're only giving some newbies on their first trip to the Philippines a false and potentially dangerous sense of security. Fortunately, most newbies are smarter than that.[/QUOTE]The reality of the "safety" issue, in the Philippines, the US or elsewhere, is surely related to the specific area in which you live. Here in Davao, I feel as safe as anywhere I've ever lived: the incidence of street crime is fairly low, security is good, and I've never had a problem. I guesstimate that the odds of being a victim of street crime here are roughly equivalent to the neighborhoods in which I used to live in the United States, and Paris. So from that standpoint, the Philippines for me is reasonably safe.

The difference I believe is not necessarily street crime, but of the larger context. That is, the risk of becoming the victim of a scam perpetuated by those in authority-police, judges, local and national politicians-is infinitely greater here than in any other place I've ever lived. With no functioning judicial system and a thoroughly corrupt politicial class the chances of a foreigner being caught in a pernicious web of exploitation are infinitely greater than in other places. This, to me, is the greatest danger of living here; a danger that's magnified by the very real possibility that anyone with even minor "connections" can cause you a world of trouble.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1289852]chances of a foreigner being caught in a pernicious web of exploitation are infinitely greater than in other places. This, to me, is the greatest danger of living here; a danger that's magnified by the very real possibility that anyone with even minor "connections" can cause you a world of trouble.[/QUOTE]Would this 'danger' in your opinion be a very real possibility to a geriatric foreigner living out the string on a subsistence-level pension

[QUOTE=YG365;1289796]I'm guessing they want the girls to be with a guest at the pool at all times. Very common at most hotels. If they don't do this, any girls from off the street could just go swimming and say they are with a guest at the hotel right?[/QUOTE]Actually no way a girl can even get to the pool without a guest letting them in.

They have to past security to get in there.

I guess for monongamus guys that only have a wife or one girlfriend.

Are not in the lifestyle of having more then one girl with them.

It makes sense.

But in angeles and in the past at this hotel

It was an accepted lifestyle and commom for guests to have several girls.

Yes there are things that are common in other hotels that have in the past been better here because of the open minded.

Way of management.

So some hotels are more girl friendly then others / example is Thailand hotels that charges per guest.

Or some hotels that don't worry about the number of guests.

This is a change in treatment of guests. Which if you only have one girl and you are in the pool with her at all times then not an issue.

I just find it annoying that they have changed to be more restrictive. What wil they do next.

I will mostly just forget about it because if its acceptable to everyone else then its just my problem to be annoyed.

Being in the Philippines maybe best just to accept they take more and give less.

Glad its at a time I have slowed down. In the past I have brought six or seven girls with me into the rooms and the pool.

Now I am only down to two or three as I just can't keep up.

I do appreciate the feedback even if it annoys me because I am sure I can lose my perspective with how it had been in the past and see that if everyone is okay with this then I need to just shut up and accept it

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1289852]The reality of the "safety" issue, in the Philippines, the US or elsewhere, is surely related to the specific area in which you live. Here in Davao, I feel as safe as anywhere I've ever lived: the incidence of street crime is fairly low, security is good, and I've never had a problem. I guesstimate that the odds of being a victim of street crime here are roughly equivalent to the neighborhoods in which I used to live in the United States, and Paris. So from that standpoint, the Philippines for me is reasonably safe.

The difference I believe is not necessarily street crime, but of the larger context. That is, the risk of becoming the victim of a scam perpetuated by those in authority-police, judges, local and national politicians-is infinitely greater here than in any other place I've ever lived. With no functioning judicial system and a thoroughly corrupt politicial class the chances of a foreigner being caught in a pernicious web of exploitation are infinitely greater than in other places. This, to me, is the greatest danger of living here; a danger that's magnified by the very real possibility that anyone with even minor "connections" can cause you a world of trouble.

GE[/QUOTE]This place is a ghetto and I hate it. No I love it. Hhaha. Actually if it was not for the girls? How many would live here?

Yes there are other things to do but how friendly and the possiblity of a good female mating is a very rewarding part of being in pi.

Everytime I go out in angeles I meet new girls from aruund the country.

Some are so sweet and sexy

Seems a majority of them are from samar? That work in the bars?

Safety is a big issue here for many reasons but you can be safe here if you pay attention and are careful.

And in USA it can be almost as dangerous but I do trust the government a bit more in the USA then here

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2; 1289462]Read some of your post and there are many points I could relate to.

Only concern I have with PI (as many others have answered) is that it is a poor shit country with rampant crime (most of which is under reported or reported at all). Don't get me wrong as I have been to Manila and AC and Subic for many years on and off and I have witness many crimes myself (also been a victim also of a broad day mugging 4 years back in Manila. If it wasn't for the safety concern I would retire in PI in a heartbeat. Cost maybe alot cheaper in PI but sometimes money is not everything. My next choice was going to be Thailand but I don't really speak the lingo so can feel lost quickly if can't communicate with the gal of my dreams.

And unlike others I don't plan to work when I retire (for me retirement= NO MORE WORK) so now saving for this day.

Also agree with you that I don't plan to retire at home either but don't have a good choice right now as I am still searching. When the time cums I may have to compromise though. We'll see then.[/QUOTE]I understand your points and your concerns about being safe. There are places in Asia that are very safe and you will have access to cute girls, but the cost of everything is more. Singapore comes to mind. Safe as can be and lots of rich folks are moving there (not for me). Also, Macau comes to mind. Lots of MP there, safe, and cheaper than Singapore. In the Philippines, Fort Bonifacio is a new little city and safe (compared to other parts of Manila).

As far as PI being a shit country, I would agree with that. But, that is what makes it the PI. If PI was clean, the government honest, things worked on time, folks had good jobs, then it would be Singapore, but then again, we would have to pay a lot more for pussy, hotels, food, etc.

Since PI is a shit country, we get sexy young girls at deep discount. Why else would we go there. Plus, these young Filipinas are happy to be with us older guys. I live in Hong Kong, tons of rich people, and the young girls do not look much at older Western guys. The young HK girls are well educated, have access to jobs, health care, government is good, safe streets, etc. In HK, most older Western guys do not stand a chance with a young regular (non-hooker) girl. In the Philippines, most younger girls would be happy with an older Western guy. Of course, this is to do somewhat wth the econ of the PI, but I am fine with that.

I agree with you about not working when I retire. 8 more years for me! But, I will have fun now, because tomorrow is not a sure thing. Where will I retire, not sure yet. I like Thailand, they have the most hot, sexy, and pretty girls in Asia. Thai girls love to fuck and suck! Now, that is a place where I could grow old. But, the Thai government is having lots of problems now. A few Thai congressmen were in a fight last week on the house floor. Gee, I am not sure I want to live in a country where the government is kicking each others' ass. In 8 years, I will decide. Until then, I will continue to fuck my way across Asia! Have fun!

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1287374]To Undercoverh.

I didn't see anyone doable at Santo bow row the last trip lot less girl than last yr and all nighter few is up to 1200 peso was 100 p after midnight last yr. I like to ask you have you got a runner there before, I have a few girl at santo before they do try harder and better attuide than the field girl.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]I agree with your comments, some times Santo is slim pickens. I have a method when I shop on Santos and Raymond. First, I go early when the girls are fresh and not picked over yet. By 1 or 2 pm, I am walking down Santos. I take my time, maybe I will walk inside a few, hang out for a few minutes, check out who is there. If I do not see anything on Santos, I walk over to Raymond and do the same approach. Most of the time, I see something I like. However, the girls are not 8s. 9s, or 10s. I am fine with a nice girl with a good attitude who is a 5 or 6 in the looks department. What I like is good sex with a nice young (over 18) Filipina.

If I walk the streets of Santos and Raymond and I do not see anything I like. I will get a massage in my hotel room, or head to one of the bars. A few hours later, I will make another pass on Santos or Raymond. Most of the time, I am for sure to find something I life later. If there are not a lot of girls out, they have left with customers already.

As far as runners, I have not had one there from Santos or Raymond yet. But since I am making this statment, maybe next time it will happen. I give them an interview before I pay for them. I make sure the mama is aware of want I want and I state it in front of the mana and the girl (e. G, good BJ, stay the full 12 hours, etc). Also, as an insurance policy, I tell the girl if she is a good girl and gives me wonderful BJ and sex, I will give her a nice tip. I also tell the girl I want us to play in the jacuzzi and would she like that. I stay at the Pacific Breeze that has a nice jacuzzi and hotel.

Also, I sit and talk to the girls for a while, before I decide. I take my time, no rush for me. I see which one likes me the most. Basically, I let them pick me. The girl that comes over and sits next to me, holds my hand, plays with me, smiles, etc. I enjoy this process and it gets me in the mold to have enjoyable sex with them.

I have had lots of good looking hookers and I have paid big bucks for them. But, they had a so-so or bad attitude. They were too cute to be a good GFE. Some were just ok. With regular, nice, hookers, that do not consider themselfs cute, I find the service is better. Plus, the Santos and Raymond girls are not Pros. I like the just-off-the-boat type of girl. Have fun!

Just wanted to update my hotel situation.

I talked with the owners and I worked out any and all concerns I had with the hotel.

More of a misunderstanding and I was annoyed as we did not have a conversation about

A problem and I had a good relationship with the staff and owners so I was in a situation.

Without explanation.

Now I am happy with our solution.

Previous problems are that girls come to the pool and other areas with a guy staying at the hotel.

And then the guy leaves the girl alone in the pool and the girl or girls order food and drinks

Getting a bigger bill and then the guest will not pay the bill because he did not order the food.

To me this has been the best place in angeles. The girls here are great. Across the street are some good bars.

Maybe not great.

So yes I was mad and annoyed at situation that is now resolved.

Thanks to the guys that gave me feedback

Ok.

Back to chasing girls as I can rest easy in the hotel

Hi I'm just new here.

I think PI is the best when it comes to GFE, Filipina girls are the best.

When they feel they are financially stable with you they will stay as long as you want.

Almost all of the PI families here has more that 1 child I rarely see a small family.

[QUOTE=MauiDude; 1290030]Just wanted to update my hotel situation.

I talked with the owners and I worked out any and all concerns I had with the hotel.

More of a misunderstanding and I was annoyed as we did not have a conversation about

A problem and I had a good relationship with the staff and owners so I was in a situation.

Without explanation.[/QUOTE]Maui. Just a reminder here, in good spirits, that there is no need to format your text as you go with the software on ISG. Just type it out as normal even if you see a word apparently split in half.

If you hit the hard RETURN then you will get a new sentence and a capital at the start, and so sentences will seem a bit weird. Just type as normal and leave the funny looking glitches until you finish. You will pick this up if you hit the "Preview Report" button beside the Upload button.

It is obvious which guys preview their reports before posting and which ones do not.

It is no big deal but I am amazed at how many posts have not followed this simple advice.

I decided on a change of pace this year, I'll be vacationing in The Philippines instead of Thailand. I'll be in The Philippines in August: Angeles City, Boracay, and Cebu. Does anyone have recommendations for bars. I'm looking for bars with fun girls, they don't have to be stunners, just cute and petite. I really like threesomes and anal. I think I'll find what I'm looking for in Angeles. Where are the best bars in in Boracay? In Cebu?

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1289973]I agree with your comments,

Also, I sit and talk to the girls for a while, before I decide. I take my time, no rush for me. I see which one likes me the most. Basically, I let them pick me. The girl that comes over and sits next to me, holds my hand, plays with me, smiles, etc. I enjoy this process and it gets me in the mold to have enjoyable sex with them.

I have had lots of good looking hookers and I have paid big bucks for them. But, they had a so-so or bad attitude. They were too cute to be a good GFE. Some were just ok. With regular, nice, hookers, that do not consider themselfs cute, I find the service is better. Plus, the Santos and Raymond girls are not Pros. I like the just-off-the-boat type of girl. Have fun![/QUOTE]This strategy is a good one and should be applied everywhere.

[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-is-reopening-massive-philippine-military-bases-not-used-since-the-cold-war-2012-6[/url]

To Maui dude.

The Wild Orchid have a very nice pool maybe the best on in AC hotel want guess to pay to use it and you have 3 girls if everyone does this the pool will be full, I don't blame the hotel for doing this.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=MauiDude; 1289620]I had three girls in the pool at wild orchid rsort on santos street. The manager told them to leave and that they are not allowed in the pool?

What the fuck.

I talked to the manager and he told me I need to be with them in the pool when they are there.

If I am in the room they are not allowed in the pool.

They have been adding more restrictive rules with their hotel.

Normal take more and give less.

My girl told me that the manager told her that too many girls in the pool and they will be told to leave also.

Has anyone had any other problems with the hotlel or management at this place.

It has been a great place to come for the last four years but now they are up to something to cut down on the girls?

Does not make sense to me.

They have pool parties with lots of girls there[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wet Nose;1290885][url]http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-is-reopening-massive-philippine-military-bases-not-used-since-the-cold-war-2012-6[/url][/QUOTE]Might be difficult for the Koreans then to take over AC. They won't be amused I guess.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1291123]Might be difficult for the Koreans then to take over AC. They won't be amused I guess.

Cheers![/QUOTE]You have got to remember that since the US pulled out of Clark AB in 1991, the rules have changed. It is now against US Military regulation for US personnel to use / pay hookers. Can be a career ender.

Slim

[QUOTE=Nvslim; 1291146]You have got to remember that since the US pulled out of Clark AB in 1991, the rules have changed. It is now against US Military regulation for US personnel to use / pay hookers. Can be a career ender.

Slim[/QUOTE]As a former Marine with a rank of Sergeant Major, I can tell you that if they kicked out every young Marine for paying a hooker for sex (while the Marine was overseas) , the Marine Corps would lose most of its ranks. If some of my Junior Enlisted and Non-Comissioned Officers assigned to my unit were willing to die for their country (and many of my men did die while we were in fire fights over the years) , it is no way in hell I would report them if I knew they paid for sex with a hooker. I would un-offically advise them that if they were going to pay for sex, keep it under the radar.

It is unrealistic to expect most young men (unless they are gay) to risk their life, face death, and kill others, then go on RR and not have sex. I would expect that most former Marine Sergeants to share my view. Maybe the newer corp of young Sergeants would report their men, but I doubt it. Unless the paying for sex went overboard (e. G, like the sex party that recently took place in Columbia attended by Secret Service men on duty.

And please, no need for guys to respond to my post and tell me why young men in Military should follow orders and not have sex with hookers, and why I should report them if they break the rules. Unless you have repeatedly faced death on the front lines of a battle field, seen your young Marines die, killed your enemy, had your life saved by your Marines, had your men risk their life for you, had Marines die in your arms, you are not qualified to talk about this subject.

Ok, I will relax now. This is all I will say on the subject since this post is about sex and not the Military.

Boracay is an over-priced tourist trap. Stick to AC and Cebu and RTFF.

[QUOTE=Wolfie0066;1290402]I decided on a change of pace this year, I'll be vacationing in The Philippines instead of Thailand. I'll be in The Philippines in August: Angeles City, Boracay, and Cebu. Does anyone have recommendations for bars. I'm looking for bars with fun girls, they don't have to be stunners, just cute and petite. I really like threesomes and anal. I think I'll find what I'm looking for in Angeles. Where are the best bars in in Boracay? In Cebu?[/QUOTE]

I agree skip Boraacy for mongering. Cebu I would say the old silver dollar late at night for more varity and lone star are places to find what you want. Had a threesome and anal just recently with two from the old lone star. Moma saan gave good advice and have hears the same said about lone star.

I'm planning to fly to Cebu from AC with no check in baggage. I know umbrellas are not allowed as hand luggage, but what about.

Vibrators? It would be very embarrassing to have them fish it out. And would this be the same for flight between Bangkok and Clark?

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1291253]As a former Marine with a rank of Sergeant Major, I can tell you that if they kicked out every young Marine for paying a hooker for sex (while the Marine was overseas) , the Marine Corps would lose most of its ranks. If some of my Junior Enlisted and Non-Comissioned Officers assigned to my unit were willing to die for their country (and many of my men did die while we were in fire fights over the years) , it is no way in hell I would report them if I knew they paid for sex with a hooker. I would un-offically advise them that if they were going to pay for sex, keep it under the radar.[/QUOTE]I was just reminding how things have changed. When I was stationed on Okinawa as a single USAF E-6 in the mid-80s, I spent every minute I could in AC. I don't know how well this policy is being enforced, but I hear it has killed the p4p around military bases in Korea.

I feel the same way about the drinking age. If you carry a rifle, you get to buy beer. Fucking do-gooders always trying to ruin the fun for the rest of us.

I applaud your service and all those like you. I was a pussy and sat behind a desk for 20+ years. Jack said it best in "A Few Good Men", I don't want to know.

Slim

Hi guys,

I lived in AC (Carmenville) in the early 80s. It was the best time of my life! All I had to do was drive down the street in my brand new 280ZX and I picked up gorgeous sexy Filipinas all the time for free. I was a young officer then- a captain. Sat behind a desk, too, but somebody's got to do it. Thanks to all to who served in the military, We all made sacrifices but this gig was a treat. I cried when I left. Literally. Now I go back every chance I get (usually 2X / year). Not to Angeles per se but Manila, Cebu and Dumaguete. I love the PI!

[QUOTE=Nvslim; 1291872]I was just reminding how things have changed. When I was stationed on Okinawa as a single USAF E-6 in the mid-80s, I spent every minute I could in AC. I don't know how well this policy is being enforced, but I hear it has killed the p4p around military bases in Korea.

I feel the same way about the drinking age. If you carry a rifle, you get to buy beer. Fucking do-gooders always trying to ruin the fun for the rest of us.

I applaud your service and all those like you. I was a pussy and sat behind a desk for 20+ years. Jack said it best in "A Few Good Men", I don't want to know.

Slim[/QUOTE]

It seems that the military for the USA is shutting down the guys around the bases, at least in korea according to Nvslim. I have not been there so can't give an opinion. Yet I have some questions. This place, AC, already exists. It will not be a start up. Thus it gets business from those not in the military. How you going to keep the guys at a large base from trying to get some pussy? I don't think it is possible to control unless you don't let them off the base. Now controling them might be a better situation. But it needs to be kept on the quiet side.

If AC falls off because of to many military, It is possible that many of the guys will find another place, or some one will start another place. The mighty dollar and pussy together means some one will exploit it. The business, bar owners, will not like paying graft money to big shots and not making any themselves. So, both will loose. The Koreans can't support the place by themselves.

Isn't Korea a sort of closed group where they don't like to take care of the western men? I hear it is hard to layed in Korea? I have no personal knowledge of this, just asking a question. For sure the Phils is not closed to western men at all. They may prefer an oriental or they may not, depending on the girl or the establishment. But definately not a closed style of society.

I suppose I can be wrong, but who knows. Time will tell, but I will probably be dead by the time we know the answer.

Back in 2005, under pressure from [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] opponents, Bush issued an executive order making "patronizing a prostitute" a crime under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The move was aimed at cracking down on military use of prostitutes in peacekeeping operations, but it generated some controversy in places like Germany, where prostitution is relatively well-regulated.

According to Stars & Stripes, USA military personnel (and even some of their family members!) complained that the ban made little sense since prostitution was legal and accepted in Germany. Some also doubted that the new provision could or would be enforced. The change in military policy Bush made in 2005 drew notice in Nevada, where the consensus seemed to be that it banned soldiers and sailors from visiting the legal brothels in that state.

[url]http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/04/military-may-have-committed-crimes-in-prostitution-120982.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Mackin;1292006]If AC falls off because of to many military, It is possible that many of the guys will find another place, or some one will start another place. The mighty dollar and pussy together means some one will exploit it. The business, bar owners, will not like paying graft money to big shots and not making any themselves. So, both will loose. The Koreans can't support the place by themselves.[/QUOTE]Announcements from Dept. Of Defense allude only to a shift in naval power. Where fleet strengths were 50-50 between Atlantic and Pacific, the new plan is for 60% in the Pacific. There's not much talk about moving Air Force. Discussions about using Subic involve rotational forces, not permanent assignments, whatever that means. So some observers think the primary negotiations with the Aquino administration are for having Philippine civilians doing most of the support mission at Subic.

And Clark's only role is for flying supplies in that then get hauled to Subic. The landing strip at Subic is not very big, and the DoD probably doesn't feel good about bringing large supply planes in there. But supplies transported into Clark don't necessarily imply many permanent Air Force personnel stationed three. And even much of the plane traffic could be private contractors. I think our fears about a puritanical military nanny state affecting AC may be greatly exaggerated.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1292056]Back in 2005, under pressure from [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] opponents, Bush issued an executive order making "patronizing a prostitute" a crime under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.[/QUOTE]The irony does not go unnoticed that a draft dodging deserter who got us into two different wars and helped to ruin the world economy would issue an executive order stating none of his soldiers would be allowed to get a piece of ass. I'd bet God told him to do it, LOL.

Back in AC after a two year self-enforced absence. It's still the same old shithole it always was and I'the genuinely forgotten what it's like to walk down the street to a chorus of 'trike, trike' and 'Viagra. Cialis. Rock bottom price, boss. ' Overall it's still a fun town to play in with many great looking girls (and quite a few hideous ones too) but of course prices are up. The 1500/2000 bar fine is now standard and the demographic of the girls seems to be older than before with many in their early to mid-20s and very few in their late teens. The one major change that's taken place is the introduction of the terms 'short time' and 'long time' to the girl's vocabulary. Previously I can't recall being asked if I wanted to bar fine a girl ST or LT it was just accepted that the bar fine was for all night (even if girls would try and sneak away early occasionally). But on this visit many of the girls are only interested in ST. And here's the rub: the ST price is exactly the same as the LT price. Of course you can still find girls who are prepared to spend the night with you but I'the say 60 percent of the 'hot' girls in bars like Carousel, Galaxy, Club Asia are only interested in going ST for the full (2000 peso) LT rate. I've tried to explain to the girls that this whole ST and LT phenomenon has been imported from somewhere like Thailand where there are two different rates of pay dependent upon whether the girl stays all night or just a couple of hours. But somehow the logic of that appears lost on them. My solution to the problem is to decline the 2K peso ST bar fine, pass the girl my phone number and offer her 700/800 peso if she visits my room the following afternoon for a ST session. So far I've had a 75% success rate with this tactic thus saving myself a few pesos in the process. It isn't ideal obviously but one has to improvise in circumstances such as these.

I'm not going to flog a dead horse but this sort of negative development has been on the cards for some time due to cowards who visit AC and over tip because it makes them feel better. The only way to arrest this ST / LT nonsense is for the customers to make a united stand. Refuse to bar fine any girl who is only prepared to perform ST for the standard LT price. Otherwise this downward trend will continue. Prices will keep going up, the quality of the girls will keep going down and AC overall with give you less bang for your buck.

D1

[QUOTE=LovingAsia; 1291858]I'm planning to fly to Cebu from AC with no check in baggage. I know umbrellas are not allowed as hand luggage, but what about.

Vibrators? It would be very embarrassing to have them fish it out. And would this be the same for flight between Bangkok and Clark?[/QUOTE]No worries on that score. Have taken them in and out of Manila airport (in said handcarry) many many times with nary a problem on Cebu Pacific. I would imagine Clark no different to Manila.

Only prob I had recently, which is contained in a HK report, was when a newbie customs inspection (I was in transit) insisted on emptying my entire bag of tricks. There were a goodly few vibes in there for a Phuket lady I know.

Only prob I encountered in Manila airport was when customs guy asked if I had golf balls in my handcarry. I said no. He says theres something like 3 golf balls all together. Ah that would be the balls of the glass hot oil vibrator. Told him it was a vibrator.

He smiled and said "proceed". You should have no worries.

[QUOTE=Doppel One; 1292575]The 1500/2000 bar fine is now standard and the demographic of the girls seems to be older than before with many in their early to mid-20s and very few in their late teens. The one major change that's taken place is the introduction of the terms 'short time' and 'long time' to the girl's vocabulary.

D1[/QUOTE]With a 2000 bar fine and paying the girls another 1000 to 2000 for ST / LT, the rates in AC are really high. I have spent my time in Bangkok and Jakarta and was thinking about AC but this is a real turn off. Is there a place to meet FLs that you can negotiate directly with and avoid the pricey bar fines? If find that FLs are generally more GFE anyway.

[QUOTE=Yomama99;1292814]With a 2000 bar fine and paying the girls another 1000 to 2000 for ST / LT, the rates in AC are really high. I have spent my time in Bangkok and Jakarta and was thinking about AC but this is a real turn off. Is there a place to meet FLs that you can negotiate directly with and avoid the pricey bar fines? If find that FLs are generally more GFE anyway.[/QUOTE]The bar fine in AC is all inclusive no tip required unless you give a small one to be nice But you don;t have to . There are bars that have lower ST rates then LT rates even. Its not like Thailand where the BF is just to the bar and you have to pay the girl separate for the service

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1292867]Its not like Thailand where the BF is just to the bar and you have to pay the girl separate for the service[/QUOTE]Often the girls do take a stake of the BF too

[QUOTE=Doppel One;1292575]. <SNIP> . The only way to arrest this ST / LT nonsense is for the customers to make a united stand. Refuse to bar fine any girl who is only prepared to perform ST for the standard LT price. Otherwise this downward trend will continue. Prices will keep going up, the quality of the girls will keep going down and AC overall with give you less bang for your buck.[/QUOTE]Sorry D1 but it's too late.

The whole ST / LT "thing" has become ingrained into the scene now, and I mean everywhere including Manila, Cebu etc.

You just have to shop harder if you want to get a decent bang for your buck.

Not everyone in AC reads ISG so boycotts will not work.

BTW, some of us prefer ST to LT. I always prefer the girl to leave after the negotiated time so that I can get a relaxed sleep and not have the early morning hassles when the gloss has worn off from the night before. But that's just my preference.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1292867]The bar fine in AC is all inclusive no tip required unless you give a small one to be nice But you don;t have to . There are bars that have lower ST rates then LT rates even. Its not like Thailand where the BF is just to the bar and you have to pay the girl separate for the service[/QUOTE]To Streetlooker.

I hope that AC barfine system is like Bangkok you pay the barfine and paid the girl a tip for the service at the end, this will avoid the runner if they want to leave early less tip for them, you don't get GFE like you do 10 yr ago at AC most girl target the Korean they tip better and spend big money.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Doppel One; 1292575]Back in AC after a two year self-enforced absence. It's still the same old shithole it always was and I'the genuinely forgotten what it's like to walk down the street to a chorus of 'trike, trike' and 'Viagra. Cialis. Rock bottom price, boss. ' Overall it's still a fun town to play in with many great looking girls (and quite a few hideous ones too) but of course prices are up. The 1500/2000 bar fine is now standard and the demographic of the girls seems to be older than before with many in their early to mid-20s and very few in their late teens. The one major change that's taken place is the introduction of the terms 'short time' and 'long time' to the girl's vocabulary. Previously I can't recall being asked if I wanted to bar fine a girl ST or LT it was just accepted that the bar fine was for all night (even if girls would try and sneak away early occasionally). But on this visit many of the girls are only interested in ST. And here's the rub: the ST price is exactly the same as the LT price. Of course you can still find girls who are prepared to spend the night with you but I'the say 60 percent of the 'hot' girls in bars like Carousel, Galaxy, Club Asia are only interested in going ST for the full (2000 peso) LT rate. I've tried to explain to the girls that this whole ST and LT phenomenon has been imported from somewhere like Thailand where there are two different rates of pay dependent upon whether the girl stays all night or just a couple of hours. But somehow the logic of that appears lost on them. My solution to the problem is to decline the 2K peso ST bar fine, pass the girl my phone number and offer her 700/800 peso if she visits my room the following afternoon for a ST session. So far I've had a 75% success rate with this tactic thus saving myself a few pesos in the process. It isn't ideal obviously but one has to improvise in circumstances such as these.

I'm not going to flog a dead horse but this sort of negative development has been on the cards for some time due to cowards who visit AC and over tip because it makes them feel better. The only way to arrest this ST / LT nonsense is for the customers to make a united stand. Refuse to bar fine any girl who is only prepared to perform ST for the standard LT price. Otherwise this downward trend will continue. Prices will keep going up, the quality of the girls will keep going down and AC overall with give you less bang for your buck.

D1[/QUOTE]


I agree with your comments. I can add a few points to consider. The most important point, is to ask the Mama which girls will do LT. Have the Mama do the work and bring you the girls that will do LT and provide any other service you want. Of course, give Mama a tip for this work (maybe 200P). This is truly the best advice. Most guys do not use the Mama for what they are there for. The Mama is there to ensure the customer is happy. If the Mama is not helpful, leave the bar and got to the next one. When you walk in, ask the Mama to come over. The main Mama, not the assistant Mamas. The main Mama boss. Make friends with her, be nice, have her sit with you. This goes a long way. When the bar girls see you getting along with Mama, they will think you are someone important. I would do this often when I was in Thailand at the bars.

Once I was in Thailand, and the main Mama slapped a bar girl for talking back to the Mama. The bar girl cried and said "Mama hit me, why Mama hit me." She never once said, you better not hit me Mama. The head Mamas carry lots of respect in bars. Make friends with them and you have a better chance of finding the girl you want for LT.

Next point, Santos and Raymond street have a 12 minimum for LT and it cost around 1, 400. The little bars actually stand by this, at least the ones I have been to there. The girls are not the best looking, but I have found it to be good service from nice girls. Sometimes, I find a real young (18 and over) cute girl there (according to my taste) that is just off the boat, a real gem, with a nice tight pussy. I do not find that often, but when I do, I enjoy it like fine wine.

Third, based on my experience of going to AC for the past 14 years, you have a better chance of getting LT from the girls at the bars on Don Juico Ave then on Fields Ave. For the past several years, I have avoided Fields Ave for the most part and hang out at Raymond, Santos, and Don Juico bars. I go to Fields to only see the shows, see the cute girls dancing, buy some lady drinks and get some feels from tits and pussy. Then when I get a hard on, I go to Santos or Raymond for relief and maybe LT. But mostly, I am a ST guy. After I shoot my load, I am ready for the girl to leave and I can relax, or do whatever.

Number 4. It is all about supply and demand and what the girls can get away with. Why do Santos and Raymond offer a 12 hour standard for LT and Fields bars do not, simply because a ton more guys go to the Field bars and not Santos or Raymond. Thus, Raymond and Santos have to compete based on offering LT, BBBJ, and nice girls. Fields bars is based on cute girls and nice bars, but not LT or great service from the girls after they get back to the room. Plus, many of the girls on Fields will not provide BBBJ. The Santos and Raymond street bars give BBBJ as a standard.

Number 5, the truth of the matter is, if a girl wants to stay with a guy for LT, she will do so. If she likes the guy. The bars on Fields Ave set the price, but leaves the choice of LT or ST up to the girl. The fact is, when a girl meets a guy in the bar, they have fun, she thinks it would be fun to hang out with this guy, plus he makes her horny, she will want to stay with you all night and until the next morning. A few times, but only a few, I have had girls stay with me until they had to go to work the next day. Because we really have fun together, I treated them more like a girlfriend (purchased food for them, we went to the mall) and we liked each other for the time we were together. The last time this happen, I met a cute sexy chubby girl at Tropix bar.

When I first saw her, I thought, wow, she is sexy even and chubby in a very cute way. And, she was sweet, cute, and funny. We really hit it off. I purchased 2 lady drinks for her (which I never do for other girls) , we hug, kissed, and played with each other there in the bar for a few hours. Then she said to me,"you should really take me back to your hotel so we can wake up in each others arms in the morning." Wow, I never had a bar girl say that to me, asking me for LT. That made me more horny for her. Of course I bar fined her and we had a wonderful time together. She did not leave me until she had to go back to work the next day. And, the sex with her was good, I never had a tight chubby pussy before.

My point is, if a girls want to be with you, she will be happy with LT. If she just in it for the money and you (or we) are just another fuck, she will only offer ST, and she will not care of you do not take the offer of ST. She knows another guy will take her offer of ST only sooner or later. And what about the girls that agree to LT but want to leave after a few hours in the hotel room, commonly known as runners. They say they have received a call regarding their sick mom, a friend needs them, etc. Did they plan this from the start, or did something about the guy change their mind about being with him all night (e.g., the guy's body was not clean, rough sex, etc.). Who knows, but no matter what, the girl cannot be forced to stay.

The way I feel, if she wants to leave -- go! Plus, it is only around $43 at most bars for sex. Let's face it, that is really cheap by Western standards. Thus, if the girl wants to leave after a few hours after giving me a BJ and sex and I only paid $43, and she had orginally agreed to LT, I really do not care since it is really a small amount of money. When I lived in American many years ago, I would pay 3 times that amount on a date, and not even get a kiss!

And last, with more than 60 bars on Fields and more than a 1,000 girls, u will find girls that are nice, will give LT, and good service. But, you really have to search for it. Too much work for me. If I do go to Fields, I do not like the big bars with the cute girls, they seem to be in to looking cute and they act like models with model attitudes. And, 3,000 for ST is a joke, I will never pay that in AC! I like the small bars where the girls are up close, and you can play with them and get to know them. If I was going to hunt for LT pussy on Fields, I would stick with the smaller bars, get to know the Mamas, and bar hop until I find the right mix of girls and Mama that is helpful. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1293181]ask the Mama which girls will do LT. Have the Mama do the work and bring you the girls that will do LT and provide any other service you want. Of course, give Mama a tip for this work (maybe 200P).[/QUOTE]Since you are later in your post complaining:

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1293181]And, 3,000 for ST is a joke, I will never pay that in AC![/QUOTE]. About the high cost of renting some tiers of Fields pussy I find it bit funny that you say that "of course" we need tip mama a dancer's daily wage just for steering us towards a girl who does LT. I would argue that in most cases mama's BF cut would be quite enough compensation! It's actually her job to assist you, and she doesn't even need to spread her legs to get her cut. She's a bit like a car salesman. Now I don't usually tip them very much. (That said, it can be a good thing to buy real nice mama's a LD sometimes.)

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1292907]Sorry D1 but it's too late.

The whole ST / LT "thing" has become ingrained into the scene now, and I mean everywhere including Manila, Cebu etc.[/QUOTE]But why isn't there a price difference between ST and LT in AC? They should lower the barfines and let the girls negotiate deals for their time and services. The whole price scheme in AC is messed up now.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1286950]Thanks for the feedback. My relatives also think I am nuts for living in Asia. There is only a small elite group of us who understands the reason why a man would want to live in Asia. Everyone else will never understand. But that is fine, that just leaves more Asian women for us in the Philippines, Thailand, etc. I have 8 years to go before I retire. However, tomorrow is not promised. Therefore, I want to have as much fun as I can now. Fun for me is not buying a new gold watch or spending $1, 000s on name brand cloths. For me, fun is having my cute 19 year old Filipina girlfriend on top of me at night, giving me lots of hugs, kisses, and real GFE loving making. Taking a shower with her in the morning and having wash my back, face, legs, and other parts of my body. Watching TV while she cooks breakfast for us. As a young man, these are the things I took for granted. As I have aged, these are the things that are the most valuable to me.

As I get older, being with younger women (over 18) is a joy for me. It is not just about the sex, but their youthful outlook on life and the energy they have. The fact that so many things to them are new and they will actually listen to my advice. With American women my age, they are battle worn and they know it all. Try giving them advice and you get 50 reasons why you are wrong and a debate. Plus, I have been with women my age and their body looks old with wrinkles everywhere (around the mouth, face, lips, chest, ass, etc.). I truly have no desire to bang them. The great thing about Asia is that it is acceptable for an older man to be with a younger woman. In Asia, you will see many examples of this. In America, unless the guy has lots of cash, you will generally not see younger women with older men.

After living in the oasis of Asia, I cannot go back to the desert of America. The bottom line is, in Asia, men are in charge. In America, the women are in charge. Have fun![/QUOTE]Love it your exactly right I'm cutting ties to US and making my way to Phils love it there.

[QUOTE=Pute Nut; 1293203]Since you are later in your post complaining:

About the high cost of renting some tiers of Fields pussy I find it bit funny that you say that "of course" we need tip mama a dancer's daily wage just for steering us towards a girl who does LT. I would argue that in most cases mama's BF cut would be quite enough compensation! It's actually her job to assist you, and she doesn't even need to spread her legs to get her cut. She's a bit like a car salesman. Now I don't usually tip them very much. (That said, it can be a good thing to buy real nice mama's a LD sometimes.) [/QUOTE]

Let me clarify the simple points I was making. Simply, a guy walks into a bar with 40 girls and he wants a girl for LT, but he does not know which girl will go for LT. Should he "A," interview all the girls and maybe buy several lady drinks and ask them if the will go LT with him? Or, "B," call over the main Mama and have her tell him which girl will go LT, then the Mama goes and gets the girls, bring them over to his table. The Mama knows which ones will actually do LT and which ones will not. The guy then selects the ones he likes, then gets to know the girl better. If he likes her for bar fine, the topic of LT has already been resolved. And all of this for $4.76, or less if you buy the Mama a ladies drink for helping you. Since less than $4.76 is nothing to most men, I think most men would be happy to have Mama do the work.

Regarding your reference to my statement that I would not pay 3, 000 for ST, your point is unclear about the concern you have about this. However, for the record, I will not pay it -- but I have no problem if other guys want to pay 3,000 for ST. The times I paid for ST, it ranged from 700 to 1,800.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1293243]And all of this for $4.76, or less if you buy the Mama a ladies drink for helping you. Since less than $4.76 is nothing to most men, I think most men would be happy to have Mama do the work.[/QUOTE]What USD 4. 76? I thought you said 200 Philippine Pesos! You are in a 3rd world budget boom-boom town and applying first world logic and pricing. You are giving away a dancer's daily wage (or two days' daily wages for a provincial mall girl) for something the mama should assist you with gratis. It's five day millionaires like you who royally screw up pinoys' minds by giving money for nothing. Again, do you tip the car salesman a couple hundred dollars after he helped you find the "right model for you"? That is the comparison you should be making. By the way, if 4. 76 is "nothing" to you, feel free send it to me. Thanks in advance for nothing.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1293243]Regarding your reference to my statement that I would not pay 3, 000 for ST, your point is unclear about the concern you have about this. However, for the record, I will not pay it -- but I have no problem if other guys want to pay 3,000 for ST.[/QUOTE]I have never taken a spotlight dancer, I find P 3000 a tad high, too. But if I was on a brief visit, in a hurry to get laid, wanting that particular pussy right there and then, I would not hesitate to fork up the "USD 71. 40". I just find it a bit funny that no pussy in AC is worth 15 times "nothing" to you.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1293181]Plus, it is only around $43 at most bars for sex. Let's face it, that is really cheap by Western standards. Thus, if the girl wants to leave after a few hours after giving me a BJ and sex and I only paid $43, and she had orginally agreed to LT, I really do not care since it is really a small amount of money. When I lived in American many years ago, I would pay 3 times that amount on a date, and not even get a kiss![/QUOTE]Surely the point is that $43 ST is on the high side for a slice of Asian pussy. To put this in perspective for those of you who shuttle between Las Vegas and AC and have no experience of the world in between you pay $10 to $15 ST in Vietnam and $10 to $20 ST in Cambodia. Obviously you can't compare like for like because AC is unique and you certainly don't get the famous Pinoy GFE in Vietnam but then again Vietnamese girls are generally better looking IMO. The local equivalent of spotlight dancers one and all.

I'm not a complete penny pincher and I concede that if you pick the right girl and there's a connection $43 is great value for a night of sex. But the price of sex in your home country is really irrelevant to the debate as far as I'm concerned. I've never paid for sex in my home country and would never dream of doing so. The only thing that matters to me right now is the price of sex here in the Philippines. And what I see is an upwards trend that does not bode well for future mongers.

[QUOTE=Doppel One; 1293407]Surely the point is that $43 ST is on the high side for a slice of Asian pussy. To put this in perspective for those of you who shuttle between Las Vegas and AC and have no experience of the world in between you pay $10 to $15 ST in Vietnam and $10 to $20 ST in Cambodia. Obviously you can't compare like for like because AC is unique and you certainly don't get the famous Pinoy GFE in Vietnam but then again Vietnamese girls are generally better looking IMO. The local equivalent of spotlight dancers one and all.

I'm not a complete penny pincher and I concede that if you pick the right girl and there's a connection $43 is great value for a night of sex. But the price of sex in your home country is really irrelevant to the debate as far as I'm concerned. I've never paid for sex in my home country and would never dream of doing so. The only thing that matters to me right now is the price of sex here in the Philippines. And what I see is an upwards trend that does not bode well for future mongers.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with you on this matter as I am in PI just for this reason.

But not sure if all are in the same position I'm in but for me if I factor in the expensive airfare to PI and the airfare to Vegas is very cheap in comparison then the $43 BF (factoring in expensive RT air from NY) makes this price jump up significantly, and if she is a runner and I have to pay another BF then guess what happen to the so call cheap $43 BF.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1290422]This strategy is a good one and should be applied everywhere.[/QUOTE]Well I listen to all the posts about barfining the right girl. You know when I was in AC back in Sep 2010 I met a Brazilian Guy in one of the bar there and he told me that is the girls like she will be with you if she doesn't she won't. Not all the Hot Girls! There will like you for some reason either your Race, Looks, or just not into you. If she really likes you she will let you know by flirting with you, laughing with you, and concentrating on you in the bar. Many bars on Field are very difficult at times to find the right girl but don't give up. You can find the right girl there with time and patience. I havnt experince the bars on the other side of town yet but nect I come there I will.

Hello folks,

From time to time I find the need to remind the forum members that some of the posters ARE working for the other side, hence the tendency to encourage / promote reckless spending. This is the internet. Just because "his" nickname is Joe Monger, doesn't mean that "he" is a man.

Spaceman out.

Ps. No offence to the real Joe Monger out there LOL

[QUOTE=Rodney64;1293887]Well I listen to all the posts about barfining the right girl. You know when I was in AC back in Sep 2010 I met a Brazilian Guy in one of the bar there and he told me that is the girls like she will be with you if she doesn't she won't. Not all the Hot Girls! There will like you for some reason either your Race, Looks, or just not into you. If she really likes you she will let you know by flirting with you, laughing with you, and concentrating on you in the bar. Many bars on Field are very difficult at times to find the right girl but don't give up. You can find the right girl there with time and patience. I havnt experince the bars on the other side of town yet but nect I come there I will.[/QUOTE]While I understand what you are saying, just be aware this strategy will be difficult for most as we are trying to get as much GF and enjoyment as possible during a very limited time. Also, many have "flirted" with me on stage with their eyes and smiles and acting all cuddly just to change attitude when you try to bang them.

From my experiences from staying 2 weeks at a time in AC, by the time I find one that was honest and really want to be with me and I would gladly BF her for several days, its already time to leave.

Yea, I certainly feel your pain when I read your last sentence. But considering the way some of the gals wind me up, it's probably best for me to get out of town when at the peak.

[QUOTE=Sharka; 1294068]While I understand what you are saying, just be aware this strategy will be difficult for most as we are trying to get as much GF and enjoyment as possible during a very limited time. Also, many have "flirted" with me on stage with their eyes and smiles and acting all cuddly just to change attitude when you try to bang them.

From my experiences from staying 2 weeks at a time in AC, by the time I find one that was honest and really want to be with me and I would gladly BF her for several days, its already time to leave.[/QUOTE]

Just a sugestion. Spend a bit more on a hotel with a pool, when barfining the girl try and build some report with the girl before taking her to bed the first time. I stay at the ABC if I like a girl I may take her to a bar or two before leaving for the bedroom and it always works for me. I get the right girl usually within first day or two and then its time to get out of town with a girl in tow. Far nicer and cheaper places around phils then AC for a proper gf experiance.

A lot of the girls have a favorite hotel they like thats why they ask you what hotel you stay. If they have been in AC for a while they know which Hotels are good or bad cause they have been to most of them. If you are staying in a nice hotel that means money. If your staying at a rat hole you might be a cheap charlie and that means they make no money

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1294218]A lot of the girls have a favorite hotel they like thats why they ask you what hotel you stay. If they have been in AC for a while they know which Hotels are good or bad cause they have been to most of them. If you are staying in a nice hotel that means money. If your staying at a rat hole you might be a cheap charlie and that means they make no money[/QUOTE]You are 100% correct!

Whenever I ask the bar, the mama, or the girl how much the barfine is, first they ask me which hotel I am staying at.

If I say ABC / Wild Orchid, my barfine is 3000.

If I say Lewis Grand / Pacific Breeze my barfine is 2700.

If I say Swiss Chalet / Kokomos my barfine is 2400.

Oh wait. Thats not at all what happens. I know. It works like this:

If I say ABC / Wild Orchid, the girl gets 70% of the barfine.

If I say Lewis Grand / Pacific Breeze the girl gets 60% of the barfine.

If I say Swiss Chalet / Kokomos the girl gets 50% of the barfine.

Oh wait. Thats not how it works either! AH, NOW I KNOW FOR SURE!

If I say ABC / Wild Orchid, the required tip is 500.

If I say Lewis Grand / Pacific Breeze the required tip is 400.

If I say Swiss Chalet / Kokomos the required tip is 300.

Wait. Thats not it either.

They do not care what hotel you are staying at. They are just making smalltalk with you OR finding an excuse not to go with you. For example:

Thats my ex boyfriends hotel.

That hotel is haunted.

I got kicked out of that hotel

[QUOTE=Just Seven; 1294369]They do not care what hotel you are staying at. They are just making smalltalk with you OR finding an excuse not to go with you. For example:

Thats my ex boyfriends hotel.

That hotel is haunted.

I got kicked out of that hotel[/QUOTE]They do care what hotel you stay at. They don't want to go to America Hotel. Tell the girls you stay there and watch the horror on their faces.

I misunderstood the many girls during our conversations that they like curtain hotels over other ones because they only like this one or that one and if the guy who BF them is not staying at one they like they will not agree to LT with that guy and you might get a runner

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1294186]Just a sugestion. Spend a bit more on a hotel with a pool, when barfining the girl try and build some report with the girl before taking her to bed the first time. I stay at the ABC if I like a girl I may take her to a bar or two before leaving for the bedroom and it always works for me. I get the right girl usually within first day or two and then its time to get out of town with a girl in tow. Far nicer and cheaper places around phils then AC for a proper gf experiance.[/QUOTE]Mc don great idea but you can do this also in Manila also I agree why stay in manila or ac whe the Pi has so many places to visit and much nicer and cheaper than AC or Manila I like GF experience also My experince meet a good girl treat her like your real gf and you wil have the best sex of your life This beats hitting and missing all the time.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1294431]I misunderstood the many girls during our conversations that they like curtain hotels over other ones because they only like this one or that one and if the guy who BF them is not staying at one they like they will not agree to LT with that guy and you might get a runner[/QUOTE]To Streetlooker,

I don't think bar girl runner because of the hotel they want to go back to bar to pick up another barfine or a korean guy that will give them a big tip in the morning, I have got a runner when I stay at Central park. Paciifc breeze and lewis grand is depend on the girl.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1294393]They do care what hotel you stay at. They don't want to go to America Hotel. Tell the girls you stay there and watch the horror on their faces.[/QUOTE]Only to a certain extent as the argument for both sides have its own merits.

Most runners don't care what hotel you stay because their mind's made up the moment the BF was paid.

But it can make it worse if mention America Hotel or god forbid you stay at the Wobbly Pension on Perimeter, then even those that might have thought of staying will make excuse to get away.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1294431]I misunderstood the many girls during our conversations that they like curtain hotels over other ones because they only like this one or that one and if the guy who BF them is not staying at one they like they will not agree to LT with that guy and you might get a runner[/QUOTE]When you invite the girl to sit with you,

1. Where are you from?

2. How long are you staying here?

3. What hotel do you stay?

4. Do you have a gf here?

These are the standard questions I got from every girl except some young, shy girls who do not talk and some girls who are there for a drink but really do not like you. Everubody has runners they have experienced usually.

After one shot.

It has happened other way around also. There are girls who once they get to know you and like stay whole night and allow many shots even though they said initially they can stay only ST.

It is very difficult to judge what the girl is thinking. Least of which depends on the hotel you are staying. Remember most of these girls have experienced all the hotels although sometimes they pretend not know your hotel.

By doing this they are saying she really does go with all men. I was staying at Royal apartelle one time and girl working below bar did not know where it was she said. Once we left the bar she knew where the stairs were. Go figure.

Very few are scheming to hook you for duratrion of your stay. Once they like you maybe they are. Otherwise in general they all know what the deal is. They know why guys come there and gus want different girls every day.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1295026]When you invite the girl to sit with you,

1. Where are you from?

2. How long are you staying here?

3. What hotel do you stay?

4. Do you have a gf here?[/QUOTE]1 is it a rich place?

2 how deep are your pokets, and how long to scam you.

3 are yo cheap charlie and pay 800 or my new boyfriend paying 4000 a night.

4 has some other dragon claimed you? Is she a good fighter?

[QUOTE=Frenzy3; 1295032]1 is it a rich place?

2 how deep are your pokets, and how long to scam you.

3 are yo cheap charlie and pay 800 or my new boyfriend paying 4000 a night.

4 has some other dragon claimed you? Is she a good fighter?[/QUOTE]Maybe true if the girl is a seasoned veteran in AC. Not so with fresh faces. I remember some girls I have barfined did not even ask for a tio when they left in the morning.

If all you want is one nighters our short time it DOES NOT matter where you stay.

If you want the girl to stay with you for few days then consider that when she is making up her mind she will think about what else to do with you beside sex. Sure she knows why she is there and there but at times when you are not fucking her it does make a difference that she has a swimming pool or a nice room to stay in oppose to some rat hole on par with her stay in.

I am not trying to turn this into a debate about hotels, this is what has worked for me and I am only offering it as advice to people that said that it takes them 1-2 weeks to find the right girl.

Like I said in my previous post once you find the right one then its time to get our of dodge and perhaps change your game a bit if you still want some side action. There are plenty of options out there no need to stay in an overpriced AC hotel if you can't afford it once you have locked down your target.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3; 1295032]1 is it a rich place?

2 how deep are your pokets, and how long to scam you.

3 are yo cheap charlie and pay 800 or my new boyfriend paying 4000 a night.

4 has some other dragon claimed you? Is she a good fighter?[/QUOTE]Hm, I don't agree with you on this. I think mostly its small talk, I mean what are they going to talk to you about? Currency swaps, oil rig equipment, military weapons or god forbid politics? We are talking simpletons here.

For question one I sometimes say Australia some times my European country of origin which so far no one has heard of over there. In both instances I get similar reactions more or less. Usually oh, nice. Some will say a thing or two about AUS if they have had an ex or another client but thats about it.

2. Yeah more or less agreed. She wants to know if its worth putting the extra effort to get you as her 2week bf or not. Also if its your last night she knows it will be wild and you are likely to give her all your extra peso.

3. I have asked many times why do you ask? Most common response has been SECURITY. It wasnt long ago when a tourist in AC chopped up a girl and they found her in a suitcase. Hotel America ghost story is another one. I have stayed at expensive and cheap hotels and no one has knocked me back because of the hotel I am staying at but they all ask. No doubt guys staying at better hotels tip more. The highest tips are earned by the ABC pool bar girls. Not only do they get half of the 3K barfine but also get some crazy tips from time to time from people that have no idea what the deal is or are on expense accounts so for them the bar fine is a freebee. I am good friends with one of the managers there and I have seen the salary list few times. Money those girls make just from drinks at times is beyond what most spotlight dancers make on fields.

4. The gf question is once again small talk. They know we are all butterflies LOL why else would we be in AC. She may be testing the pulse if you are newbie or perhaps you want a gf but I think I would be giving them way too much credit LOL. My guess small talk.

[QUOTE=Mc Don; 1295209]If all you want is one nighters our short time it DOES NOT matter where you stay.

If you want the girl to stay with you for few days then consider that when she is making up her mind she will think about what else to do with you beside sex. Sure she knows why she is there and there but at times when you are not fucking her it does make a difference that she has a swimming pool or a nice room to stay in oppose to some rat hole on par with her stay in.

I am not trying to turn this into a debate about hotels, this is what has worked for me and I am only offering it as advice to people that said that it takes them 1-2 weeks to find the right girl.

Like I said in my previous post once you find the right one then its time to get our of dodge and perhaps change your game a bit if you still want some side action. There are plenty of options out there no need to stay in an overpriced AC hotel if you can't afford it once you have locked down your target.[/QUOTE]To McDon.

I go to AC about once a yr mostly 4 day trip I barfine a different girl every night never repeat like to sample as many as possible, I stay at descend hotel with a nice pool because I want to swim not because of what the girl want you are the paying customer if service is good offer her a small tip in the morning, don't see why you need to stay at the ABC to impress a bar girl.

Just my IMHO.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48;1295522]don't see why you need to stay at the ABC to impress a bar girl.[/QUOTE]FE, it's not to impress a bargirl. It's simply I am worth it to myself. I stayed countless times at LGH, because I like the nice pool, the huge executive room with jacuzzi, reliable and fast internet, good aircon, no brownouts, the comfort of the huge bed and so on and on. If the money is there, why go for a cheap solution? To save some pesos? Life is too short for that.

IMHO.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1295522]To McDon.

Don't see why you need to stay at the ABC to impress a bar girl.[/QUOTE]I kind of doubt anyone stays at the ABC to impress girls who are available to all cummers regardless of where they stay (as long as it isn't a rat hole).

I also doubt girls go the extra mile in the GFE department because a customer stays at the ABC and has a jacuzzi in their room and wall to wall burgundy theécor.

In my experience if you want to win a girl's heart and receive great GFE it's the small things that count. Try buying her 100 pesos worth of load for her phone. She'll love you for it in a way that far exceeds the value of the gift. Another shortcut to their hearts is to feed them chocolate instead of tequila. It's an old cliché but chocolate really is a female aphrodisiac. The delights of the ABC simply can't compete with a Ferroro Rocher melting in a girl's mouth sending a tingle straight to her pussy.

D1

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1295522]To McDon.

I go to AC about once a yr mostly 4 day trip I barfine a different girl every night never repeat like to sample as many as possible, I stay at descend hotel with a nice pool because I want to swim not because of what the girl want you are the paying customer if service is good offer her a small tip in the morning, don't see why you need to stay at the ABC to impress a bar girl.

Just my IMHO.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]Eddie, I stay at ABC because I want to stay there. Nothing to do with impressing a bar girl. Like Ekspat said it simply my choice for me.

In terms of impressing the girl I agree there is no need especially if all you want is one nighter and no repeats. What you do in phils I do it in other parts of the world. Just about every trip in phils for me is followed by 2 weeks or so in Thailand or I have just came to phils from Thailand / Singapore where I have done plenty of numbers.

Like many others I like phils for the GF experiance. What doppel one said is very true about doing the small things for the girl but I think almost everyone does that anyway. The hotel is NOT meant to impress the girl, most girls have been in all the hotels anyway. Its more to do with providing more fertile ground to develop the gf relationship. Next day after the deed is done I understand many of you want the girl out and thats fine but those of us that want to keep the girl around for few days defenitly stand a better chance if they can provide an environment where a realtionship can be developed. In manila or cebu this can be done outside the hotel in the city but in AC I don't think you have too many choices for that. Yes I hear you at the end its all about the money and why go through this in first place but for those of us that prefer this its well worth it. I find it that I enjoy sex much more with a girl that I have been with for few days who knows what I want and how I want it. I guess to each his own.

[QUOTE=Doppel One; 1295730]I kind of doubt anyone stays at the ABC to impress girls who are available to all cummers regardless of where they stay (as long as it isn't a rat hole).

I also doubt girls go the extra mile in the GFE department because a customer stays at the ABC and has a jacuzzi in their room and wall to wall burgundy theécor.

In my experience if you want to win a girl's heart and receive great GFE it's the small things that count. Try buying her 100 pesos worth of load for her phone. She'll love you for it in a way that far exceeds the value of the gift. Another shortcut to their hearts is to feed them chocolate instead of tequila. It's an old cliché but chocolate really is a female aphrodisiac. The delights of the ABC simply can't compete with a Ferroro Rocher melting in a girl's mouth sending a tingle straight to her pussy.

D1[/QUOTE]Most of the girls have been there and done that which includes jacuzzi, pool, plush pillows etc.

To have a good time it is chemistry between you and the girl in and out of bed is very important.

IMHO I have had very good experience with girls after we hit it off irrespective of hotel I stayed or other things. Some girls are really tired of pool and jacuzzi. Yes, they might do it on your insistence.

Money or chocolates alone is not going to impress them. Ofcourse they are there for money.

Most I have kept a girl with me in AC is three nights. Sex is much better if you keep the girl more than one night and if she likes you. On the third night complaints start coming like pussy is sore, I am tired, Do not feel like dancing or barhopping etc.

It is true their pussy gets sore with non-stop sex.

Unfortunately in AC there is nothing to do like in BKK or Pattaya where you can take her to cultural shows, temples, island tours etc.

Ac is generally barfine, fuck the hell out of her, take plenty of rest and start all over again. Hotel is a personal preference and your budget.

[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1295677]FE, it's not to impress a bargirl. It's simply I am worth it to myself. I stayed countless times at LGH, because I like the nice pool, the huge executive room with jacuzzi, reliable and fast internet, good aircon, no brownouts, the comfort of the huge bed and so on and on. If the money is there, why go for a cheap solution? To save some pesos? Life is too short for that.

IMHO.[/QUOTE]To Eskpat

I like the LGH also much larger pool than pacific breeze much better value than the ABC, the executive room w Jacuzzi is over 100usd a night expensive might try it next time.

Fast Eddie 48

Sup fellas,

I know it's rainy and typhoon season now and going to be the same in the next few months, but I was wondering how the weather is in Angeles? The last time I was there in April, it was dry. I was in Manila last August I believe because I remember doing my fantasy football draft there with one of my pick ups still sleeping in bed. I remember Manila having passing showers and having a Typhoon just pass by but still in the area when I arrived. I'm itching to come back and I'm thinking late July or early August!

Thanks!

[QUOTE=YG365; 1296257]Sup fellas,

I know it's rainy and typhoon season now and going to be the same in the next few months, but I was wondering how the weather is in Angeles? The last time I was there in April, it was dry. I was in Manila last August I believe because I remember doing my fantasy football draft there with one of my pick ups still sleeping in bed. I remember Manila having passing showers and having a Typhoon just pass by but still in the area when I arrived. I'm itching to come back and I'm thinking late July or early August!

Thanks![/QUOTE]It was raining when I was there. Pretty heavily too. Instead of the usual Viagra and crap they sell, the street guys were flogging umbrellas. How innovative! LOL. Just run to the nearest bar instead! Better spent on beer!

Less tourists can mean more fun to be had. And also more girls on vacation of course. I personally preferred Subic. Anyway, enjoy!

[QUOTE=Hatguy; 1296277]It was raining when I was there. Pretty heavily too. Instead of the usual Viagra and crap they sell, the street guys were flogging umbrellas. How innovative! LOL. Just run to the nearest bar instead! Better spent on beer!

Less tourists can mean more fun to be had. And also more girls on vacation of course. I personally preferred Subic. Anyway, enjoy![/QUOTE]Thanks man. The last time in Ermita, I stayed at Diamond Hotel. It was pretty crazy with a Typhoon near by. Calm inside, look outside and the rain is going sideways! Look by the harbor and waves are crashing hard! LOL

[QUOTE=YG365;1296257]I know it's rainy and typhoon season now[/QUOTE]I arrived in Manila last Tuesday and since then, I haven't seen a single raindrop. Today it's terribly hot with a clear blue sky, no cloud at all. I guess in Angeles it's the same.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1294393]They do care what hotel you stay at. They don't want to go to America Hotel. Tell the girls you stay there and watch the horror on their faces.[/QUOTE]But. But. Their restaurant is open 24 hours. Yeah, okay, bar girl getting head chopped of isn't the most romantic image. Amusingly, one reviewer thought it was "too expensive". And it does rate better than the Oxford.

i have heard a lot of rumors about scams in angeles city, for example.

[quote]angeles is a dusty, run down town that caters only to foreighn sex tourists, but even they are not safe, the corrupt police will set foreighners up in all sorts of scams from planting drugs to falsely accusing tourists of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], all this so that the police can scare tourists into parting with very large sums of money in bribes to make the problem go away (trust me i paid and so did others i met) the police here will even take you to the atm in order to get payment! don't pay and your looking at jail! ask yourself why would you chance this, just stay away from angeles and the philippines as i will be doing from now on.[/quote]what is the scam situation in angeles city nowadays? what can i do to minimize the risk of being a victim of a scam?

[QUOTE=Gunshy; 1296889]I have heard a lot of rumors about scams in Angeles City, for example.

What is the scam situation in Angeles City nowadays? What can I do to minimize the risk of being a victim of a scam?[/QUOTE]Have you ever been to AC? I did lots of reading prior to my 1st visit, and was put off a little by some of the negative news, and shortened my trip. The only incident I witnessed was one bar raid on Fields, and no scams.

[QUOTE=LovingAsia;1296993]Have you ever been to AC? I did lots of reading prior to my 1st visit, and was put off a little by some of the negative news, and shortened my trip. The only incident I witnessed was one bar raid on Fields, and no scams.[/QUOTE]The scam is that people are scaring you off by making stuff up! Later!

Has anyone seen this chick in the last year or so? She's a typical cam chick in demeanor, but her build (very small waist with a bit ol' booty) is very unique. I only ended up sealing the deal with her on one occasion after chatting online for months. Anyone else experience her, or have any idea where she is at nowadays?

Can anyone recommend a hotel, motel, apartelle, condo, anything basically where there is no walk of shame through a lobby. Even better, one with private entrances to the units? Not concerned about price, just need privacy. I will be visiting soon and I don't want my work mates who'll be likely staying in the same place seeing me in and out of the lobby with various chickies in tow.

I've heard of Lorietta and Daddyo's but don't know if those are even still in business.

Any help at all is much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Gaijin Gigolo;1297449]anything basically where there is no walk of shame through a lobby.[/QUOTE]There is no walk-of-shame in Angeles. The only walk of shame is, in case you get back to the hotel without a girl. THAT is a true walk of shame!

I go to AC at the end of aug. Should I put it off until after typhoon season or will I still enjoy myself?

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1297137]I go to Angeles several times a year and have for that past 10 years. I go there for work on Clark Field and have spent lots of time on Fields Road. I can tell you that I have never been a victim of a scam and have only witnessed two people being scammed / taken advantage of. The one was an Aussie guy who was drunk and obnoxious so the girls were getting him to buy them many, many drinks and another guy sitting next to me eating at Kokomo's that bought Viagra and when he opened the package it was empty. He did chase the guy down and got his money back. AC is no different then anywhere else in the world, if you keep your head about you and don't act a fool then the chance of being a victim is slim. If you get drunk, don't use in room safes, show everyone how much money you have, etc. Then there will people that will try and seperate a fool and his money. If you are a victim it's generally because of something that you did, not what they did.[/QUOTE]To add to that, I recall I was in Det5 one night and this drunk guy comes in and is pretty nasty to one of the girls who was deaf. He bar-fine her and as she went to change, he spiked her drink in front of us all. Well, when she came back, it was his turn to go to the loo. The other girls used sign language to tell this girl what had happened, and she, good on her, swapped the drinks round, and chucked all his change on to the stage. I believe this girl can hear again now thanks to a generous guy who paid for her treatment. Details on Harry the Horse.

[QUOTE=Gaijin Gigolo;1297449]Not concerned about price, just need privacy. I will be visiting soon and I don't want my work mates who'll be likely staying in the same place seeing me in and out of the lobby with various chickies in tow.[/QUOTE]I don't want to lecture you GG in a response that doesn't answer your question BUT. Having worked all over the Phils for 15 years I have NEVER EVER mongered in the same hotel in which any work mates or conference participants are staying.

If colleagues are anywhere around, then my strategy has been either stay in a different hotel, or use ST places and then go back to the hotel for sleeping. You can almost guarantee that some unplanned event will happen that will leave you looking "bad".

I saw a classic case one time in Cebu with a colleague who was very clever at smuggling girls into his room at night and sending them off early before we all met in the dining room for breakfast. I knew what he was doing but the others didn't.

It was hilarious at breakfast on the 2nd last day when this sexy young thing in short shorts and a halter top came into the breakfast area and handed him a hairbrush and apologised for having taken it by mistake when she left earlier.

Poor bastard wanted to crawl under the table. He was totally sprung.

We hear that FL work the malls of Cebu, but how about SM Mall or other malls in AC? Has anyone picked up FL this way?

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1297465]I don't want to lecture you GG in a response that doesn't answer your question BUT. Having worked all over the Phils for 15 years I have NEVER EVER mongered in the same hotel in which any work mates or conference participants are staying.

If colleagues are anywhere around, then my strategy has been either stay in a different hotel, or use ST places and then go back to the hotel for sleeping. You can almost guarantee that some unplanned event will happen that will leave you looking "bad".

I saw a classic case one time in Cebu with a colleague who was very clever at smuggling girls into his room at night and sending them off early before we all met in the dining room for breakfast. I knew what he was doing but the others didn't.

It was hilarious at breakfast on the 2nd last day when this sexy young thing in short shorts and a halter top came into the breakfast area and handed him a hairbrush and apologised for having taken it by mistake when she left earlier.

Poor bastard wanted to crawl under the table. He was totally sprung.[/QUOTE]Haha! Well, that's exactly what I intend to avoid. Our employer will be paying for the hotel though, so they'll want to put us all up together, unfortunately. I could get a second room, but........ Also, I prefer a girl who will stay with me all night too. A bit of a quandry.

[quote=red kilt; 1297465]i don't want to lecture you gg in a response that doesn't answer your question but. having worked all over the phils for 15 years i have never ever mongered in the same hotel in which any work mates or conference participants are staying.

if colleagues are anywhere around, then my strategy has been either stay in a different hotel, or use st places and then go back to the hotel for sleeping. you can almost guarantee that some unplanned event will happen that will leave you looking "bad".

i saw a classic case one time in cebu with a colleague who was very clever at smuggling girls into his room at night and sending them off early before we all met in the dining room for breakfast. i knew what he was doing but the others didn't.

it was hilarious at breakfast on the 2nd last day when this sexy young thing in short shorts and a halter top came into the breakfast area and handed him a hairbrush and apologised for having taken it by mistake when she left earlier.

poor bastard wanted to crawl under the table. he was totally sprung.[/quote]sound advice and an amusing story. one would expect that there are many hotels in angeles that cater to the st trade.

the shooter well remembers the old days of business trips to dodgy places and in the male-bonding drinking sessions it was de rigueur to decry the wg's and their "pathetic" customers, whereas in reality every guy was gagging to go for it and was just held back by peer pressure. the frustration and testosterone inevitably led to reckless drinking and poor work performance the next day. these days the younger guys seem more relaxed. the attitude is "what happens on tour, stays on tour" and is never mentioned after the night in question.

I think you'll find bargirls in the malls doing some shopping, so they might be happy to fk you. But I can't imagine FL gals roaming the malls of AC. I'm not sure why you would bother looking considering the huge amount of cheap skin on the strip. On the other hand, you might find some gal who is out of the bar and is in the mall spending the money that comes from her absent bf. Those gals are usually a lot of fun, but it's hard to get them unless you are a bit younger or have some charm. X.

[QUOTE=LovingAsia;1297469]We hear that FL work the malls of Cebu, but how about SM Mall or other malls in AC? Has anyone picked up FL this way?[/QUOTE]

This month I spent a little time in Manila and then I hit up some of the bars in AC. Here's my take of some of them, always IMHO:

Dragons Den: This bar is at the bottom of Fields Ave not too far from McDonalds. I really like this bar, it's upstairs on the second floor and there are some real fun girls in here with great attitudes and sexy bodies. I bought a single ladies drink for a big tittied girl with a big mouth here, I can't remember her name but she's from Samar, you'll recogniz her if you see those breasts. We made out for a little bit and she let me play with her beautiful big tits. She even had my dick out for a little bit. This was one I wish I would have barfined, but I was busy with other fucklets (more on this later). Good shows here too. This bar is recommended by me.

Crystal Palace: This bar is fun too, unfortunately one of my fucklets from Manila was with me when I went here so I couldn't talk to / grope any of the girls, but there were some beautiful ones here too, especially the ones wearing thongs. Another place I recommend.

Infinity: This is a new bar, I think it used to be Dirty Duck? Anyway, I though this place was terrible, too small and too many ugly girls, but a lot of the customers were really having a good time. It seemed like a hangout for older white guys. I had one drink with my Manila fucklet and left.

Q-Bar: I went here because a fucklet I banged last year works here now, I'll post a couple pics of her below. This bar has some good looking girls as well, but the barfine is 1800, too hight I think. I met my fucklet on her days off and just gave her 1000 for TLN. But this chick is crazy, she gave me BBFS and she wanted me to come inside her pussy, she kept saying she wants me to give her a baby girl. WTF? Does she think it's a ticket to the promised land, or does she just want to breed? I have no idea. She also offered me her cherry ass, but I'm not really into that. She's a fantastic fuck though, one of the best I've had in AC. The crazy ones always are.

La Bamba: This place kinda sucked, mostly ugly girls BUT the door girl was hot, she came inside the bar with me and kept begging me to take her to a short time hotel to fuck her. Again, I was meeting one of my regulars later in the evening and wanted to save my sperm, so I declined. Besides, she only wanted short time, and I only do TLN in the Philippines nowaways. If I wanted shortime, I'd monger in another country. But this doorgirl would probably be a good fuck, I remember she said she used to have a French boyfriend, so she spoke a little French. Hopefully, he trained her well.

Lollipop: One drink here and I left. I didn't see anything worth staying for.

Valhalla: This place really sucked, nothing but uglies here. Avoid this place; you'll thank me later.

Carousel: Ok, when I first walked into this place, I didn't like it. I mean, the girls are just standing on the carousel looking bored, while it goes around in a circle. But the more I thought about it, the more it made sense. Lets face it, we're not in AC to watch girls dance, we're there for cheap, pretty pussy, that's all. And this place has that! There were some nice ones in here, one that stands out was a tall goth chick with tats and piercings. I would have barfined from here BUT I was told the barfine is 2000! Fuck that! Still, a fun bar to hang out in, and I liked the music they played here as well.

Eager Beavers: I went here really late one night and got a handjob in one of the booths for a couple of ladies drinks. Sleazy Fields bar. I'd go back.

Brown Sugar: I was told the barfine here is 1900, not worth it considering the talent. Fields' barfines are getting expensive!

Insomia: I found the girls here to be very unfriendly, most wouldn't even smile or make eye contact with me.

Ponytails: One of my favorite daytime places, I liked a girl here named Rhodalyn, one of the t-back girls. I bought her a drink but I was getting some weird vibes from her, so I decided not to barfine her. I can't explain it, it's just my mongering sixth sense.

Showtime bar: I barfined a girl from this bar. 20 year old Teresa. 1500 for the barfine, she stayed until the next day and gave good BBFS, beautiful petite body with firm tits and a nice little ass, but she wasn't that good at boom boom, I was disappointed since she said she used to live with a German guy who took her cherry. Guys, if you have a live-in fucklet, train them! I cut her loose after two days.

Candy Bar: One of my favorites, cheap 1100 peso barfines combined with pretty girls who like and know how to fuck. Why can't all the bars be like this? If you are looking for a barebacking three-holer, I can recommend Cicel from Leyte. If you want a girl next door look, I recommend Anabelle from Manila. Look for the chick with the longest hair in the bar. Hell, I wish I could have fucked the majority of the girls at this bar. Fun place.

Matrix Braun: This is the blowjob bar on Perimeter Road. I like this place BUT they have raised the price for a BJ to 700 pesos. Why pay that when I can get TLN at Candy Bar for 1100? It just doesn't make sense. However, if you do go here, ask for a girl named Joy, she a real skinny, dark skinned girl with a tattoo, but she can deepthroat a cock like it's nobodys business. I came here on my first day in AC and I had a load saved up from the past week that I blew into her mouth, and she took it like a champ, without flinching. Where she learned how to suck dick I'll never know.

That's all from me for now. Here are a couple of my fucklet from Q-Bar, but that's all I'm posting; too many assholes steal my pics.

Ezinho out.

[QUOTE=LovingAsia;1297469]We hear that FL work the malls of Cebu, but how about SM Mall or other malls in AC? Has anyone picked up FL this way?[/QUOTE]To Lovingasia

I have pick up girl at SM mall in Cebu and Manila before there are so many girl in all over AC, I don't even look for girl at the Mall but I do have many girl smile at me at the SM Clark but never ask, I did got a date from a sale girl at a clothing store before but no action from her after a dinner date just hit the bar.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1297465]I saw a classic case one time in Cebu with a colleague who was very clever at smuggling girls into his room at night and sending them off early before we all met in the dining room for breakfast. I knew what he was doing but the others didn't.

It was hilarious at breakfast on the 2nd last day when this sexy young thing in short shorts and a halter top came into the breakfast area and handed him a hairbrush and apologised for having taken it by mistake when she left earlier.

Poor bastard wanted to crawl under the table. He was totally sprung.[/QUOTE]He was clever enough to sneak the girls into his room. But not clever enough to take a bow for fucking her. Is it wrong to pursue p4p and enjoy a fine young womans company? If your job is not at stake then why cower?

They don't call them females for nothing. I love shocking square white people. It's the fucking (2nd) best!

[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1297768]Crystal Palace: This bar is fun too, unfortunately one of my fucklets from Manila was with me when I went here so I couldn't talk to / grope any of the girls, but there were some beautiful ones here too, especially the ones wearing thongs. Another place I recommend.[/QUOTE]I went there one time (late) and wasn't that impressed, but the joint keeps receiving positive reports, so I will have to check it out again, but in prime time.

[QUOTE=Ezinho;1297768]La Bamba: This place kinda sucked, mostly ugly girls. BUT the door girl was hot, she came inside the bar with me and kept begging me to take her to a short time hotel to fuck her.[/QUOTE]La Bamba had a pretty good line up when I was last there in Feb and more importantly the girls were a lot of fun in and out of the bar. Things can change overnight in AC, but La Bamba remains on my top 5 list until I get back there and see for myself if things have changed.

[QUOTE=Ezinho;1297768]Valhalla: This place really sucked, nothing but uglies here. Avoid this place; you'll thank me later.[/QUOTE]This place is awful. I went there one night while barhopping with a girl because we were in the neighborhood and she said she had a girlfriend that worked there. The place had two customers and 5 fuglies were shuffling about in boredom on the small stage. The girlfriend was not there, never had been there, but it was too late because I had already ordered a beer. We split after about 5 minutes even though I had only taken a few sips of my beer. I couldn't take it.

[QUOTE=Ezinho;1297768]Ponytails: One of my favorite daytime places.[/QUOTE]You are right, it is one of the better afternoon bars, but I also liked making it my nightcap bar as I was leaving Fields and heading back to my hotel. One night my girl and I met a really pretty cherry girl there. She said she was 21. I could not believe somebody hadn't taped her yet. She was beautiful. I bought a round of Tequila shots and the three of us played pool.

[QUOTE=Socker; 1298385]He was clever enough to sneak the girls into his room. But not clever enough to take a bow for fucking her. Is it wrong to pursue p4p and enjoy a fine young womans company? If your job is not at stake then why cower?

They don't call them females for nothing. I love shocking square white people. It's the fucking (2nd) best![/QUOTE]Who said ANYTHING about the work collegues being square white people?

You obviously missed the point Socker, probably because you have never worked here and been staying in a hotel with anywhere between 3 and 50 people who are all part of your organisation.

This guy was sitting at a table filled with his workmates, all of whom were mixed male and female and all filipinos, and all of whom thought he was the epitome of a good boy.

Why do I bother explaining? (insert smiley here that says duuuuuuhhh)

[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1297768]This month I spent a little time in Manila and then I hit up some of the bars in AC. Here's my take of some of them, always IMHO:

Dragons Den: This bar is at the bottom of Fields Ave not too far from McDonalds. I really like this bar, it's upstairs on the second floor and there are some real fun girls in here with great attitudes and sexy bodies. I bought a single ladies drink for a big tittied girl with a big mouth here, I can't remember her name but she's from Samar, you'll recogniz her if you see those breasts. We made out for a little bit and she let me play with her beautiful big tits. She even had my dick out for a little bit. This was one I wish I would have barfined, but I was busy with other fucklets (more on this later). Good shows here too. This bar is recommended by me.

Infinity: This is a new bar, I think it used to be Dirty Duck? Anyway, I though this place was terrible, too small and too many ugly girls, but a lot of the customers were really having a good time. It seemed like a hangout for older white guys. I had one drink with my Manila fucklet and left.

Valhalla: This place really sucked, nothing but uglies here. Avoid this place; you'll thank me later.

Eager Beavers: I went here really late one night and got a handjob in one of the booths for a couple of ladies drinks. Sleazy Fields bar. I'd go back.

Brown Sugar: I was told the barfine here is 1900, not worth it considering the talent. Fields' barfines are getting expensive!

Showtime bar: I barfined a girl from this bar. 20 year old Teresa. 1500 for the barfine, she stayed until the next day and gave good BBFS, beautiful petite body with firm tits and a nice little ass, but she wasn't that good at boom boom, I was disappointed since she said she used to live with a German guy who took her cherry. Guys, if you have a live-in fucklet, train them! I cut her loose after two days.

Candy Bar: One of my favorites, cheap 1100 peso barfines combined with pretty girls who like and know how to fuck. Why can't all the bars be like this? If you are looking for a barebacking three-holer, I can recommend Cicel from Leyte. If you want a girl next door look, I recommend Anabelle from Manila. Look for the chick with the longest hair in the bar. Hell, I wish I could have fucked the majority of the girls at this bar. Fun place.[/QUOTE]Excellent trip report! I'll be sure to check out Dragon' Den and the Showtime Bar in a couple of months. The dude that manages Infinity is way overrated; he ran Stampede / Cherries before getting this gig: my sense is that the girls run the joint, not the other way around. The best bars are like Candy Bar where the girls know why they are there.

I found an excellent performer at Eager Beavers on my last trip: absolutely insatiable!

Don't sleep on Vahalla or Brown Sugar; I always get good results there. Vahalla has a late crew that comes on about 10:30pm, good to know if earlier ventures come up ace / duce.

[QUOTE=Docwiltro; 1298915]I found an excellent performer at Eager Beavers on my last trip: absolutely insatiable!

Don't sleep on Vahalla or Brown Sugar; I always get good results there. Vahalla has a late crew that comes on about 10:30pm, good to know if earlier ventures come up ace / duce.[/QUOTE]I recall it's very dark in Eager Beavers. But the girls are friendly. That night, it was busy and only a few girls were left on the stage. They came up to us for a chat and didn't prod us to buy them drinks.

Brown Sugar. I was asking round for anal, and found a waitress here that did it. Name was Lyn, and at the time she told me she had tried it with a couple of Brits who were returning in Christmas for more action. She preferred to earn money through lady drinks, so she wasn't going to accept an early bf.

In the end I did get to try anal. A girl I found in Rio (which has since changed name) and had a 3some through a sneakout.

I got chatting to a Korean guy in a jeepney coming up from Friendship to Checkpoint. He asked whether I'd like to join him. I said sure, and suggested to try the bars in Perimeter. His reply "Oh, but I want beautiful girls". That was just the way I had thought, that is, until I did a bar crawl on Perimeter and found there was more going for these bars than in Fields. In some bars along Perimeter, you can happily while away an entire afternoon sipping on beer with a girl on your lap with your hands up her skirt- and you wouldn't even have bought more than 3 drinks. I can't imagine being able to do that in any of the bars along Fields.

On advice of a friend, I took bags of sweets and nibbles with me to the bars. The girls and mamasan are appreciative of a lolly or two!

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1298832]Who said ANYTHING about the work collegues being square white people?

You obviously missed the point Socker, probably because you have never worked here and been staying in a hotel with anywhere between 3 and 50 people who are all part of your organisation.

This guy was sitting at a table filled with his workmates, all of whom were mixed male and female and all filipinos, and all of whom thought he was the epitome of a good boy.

Why do I bother explaining? (insert smiley here that says duuuuuuhhh) [/QUOTE]RK, You are right I missed (have no clue) of the reality there so thank you for straightening me out. I just want BMs to enjoy themselves w / out guilt. My comments about your story were stupid. Wish I could be there instead of here (USA).

[quote=lovingasia; 1298967]in some bars along perimeter, you can happily while away an entire afternoon sipping on beer with a girl on your lap with your hands up her skirt- and you wouldn't even have bought more than 3 drinks. i can't imagine being able to do that in any of the bars along fields.

on advice of a friend, i took bags of sweets and nibbles with me to the bars. the girls and mamasan are appreciative of a lolly or two![/quote]3 drinks? lol i do the same thing on fields without buying that many. just go for it, don't think too much

you may want to take few lollypoops with you too...

I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.

[QUOTE=Gunshy;1299452]I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.[/QUOTE]To Gunsy,

Why even bother to come to AC in the morning and leave at 2. Pm don't make any sense most monger don't even get out of bed until after noon, monger is limited until after 3pm and most don't even hit the bar until after 7pm.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Gunshy;1299452]I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.[/QUOTE]Several things would help:

1. You RTTF before asking questions.

2. How brief is your stay?

3. You go there first, post some relevant experiences here on the board, before asking questions.

4. To be of some assistance: Check the half-a-dozen or so bars each on Santos street and Raymond street. These are ST places with a back room for fun. P700 gets 2 hours with the girl, or you can take her to your hotel for 2 hours. There are streetwalkers out at night.

[QUOTE=Gunshy;1299452]I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.[/QUOTE]Something really weird here.

I am totally baffled why a newbie would arrive in AC at 8 am and stay for 6 hours?

If it was a business trip I could understand it, but the post reads as though it is a 6 hour stopover.

If you factor in all the potential delays, traffic etc he could end up with only 3 to 5 hours.

It doesn't make much sense to me.

[QUOTE=Gunshy;1299452]I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.[/QUOTE]How about a magazine and your hand, no pussy is worth fly in fly out.

Westcoaster gave you goood advice at that time perhaps santos and few 24 hour bars that may be open on fields. Choice is limited before 10-11am.

Guys he may be on a conecting flight. Nothing weird these days as AC is gettting more and more flights we will see plenty of budget travelers using it as a hub

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1299472]Why even bother to come to AC in the morning and leave at 2. Pm don't make any sense most monger don't even get out of bed until after noon, monger is limited until after 3pm and most don't even hit the bar until after 7pm.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1299548]Something really weird here.

I am totally baffled why a newbie would arrive in AC at 8 am and stay for 6 hours?

If it was a business trip I could understand it, but the post reads as though it is a 6 hour stopover.

If you factor in all the potential delays, traffic etc he could end up with only 3 to 5 hours.

It doesn't make much sense to me.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Frenzy3;1299589]How about a magazine and your hand, no pussy is worth fly in fly out.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mc Don; 1299675]Westcoaster gave you goood advice at that time perhaps santos and few 24 hour bars that may be open on fields. Choice is limited before 10-11am.

Guys he may be on a conecting flight. Nothing weird these days as AC is gettting more and more flights we will see plenty of budget travelers using it as a hub[/QUOTE]I'm taking the bus from Manila to catch a 4:10 pm Air Asia flight to Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia. This flight is much cheaper from Angeles City than from Manila. Mongering is not the primary reason for my travels, but I don't mind having some fun if it fit my travel plans.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1299527]Several things would help:

1. You RTTF before asking questions.

2. How brief is your stay?

3. You go there first, post some relevant experiences here on the board, before asking questions.

4. To be of some assistance: Check the half-a-dozen or so bars each on Santos street and Raymond street. These are ST places with a back room for fun. P700 gets 2 hours with the girl, or you can take her to your hotel for 2 hours. There are streetwalkers out at night.[/QUOTE]I just sent you a private message. Thank you for your help.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1299548]Something really weird here.

I am totally baffled why a newbie would arrive in AC at 8 am and stay for 6 hours?

If it was a business trip I could understand it, but the post reads as though it is a 6 hour stopover.[/QUOTE]I apologise for my use of the word "weird".

I honestly didn't know that Clark is now being used as a hub, so I can see that a stopover of 6 hours is possible.

I live in Manila permanently now and just don't use Clark so I posted from ignorance. Mea culpa

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1299888]Gunshy, I guess some people here don't understand what a connecting flight or layover are. To think it's "weird" or "something wrong" with what you wrote / asked is just an example of someone talking and proving they are an idiot instead of keeping their mouth shut and having people wonder whether they are an idiot. My favorite answer on here is "RTFF If they would have followed their own advice they wouldn't have had to ask you "how brief is your stay" since, if they RTFF, would have seen you clearly stated how long you would be there. I guess some even think your a psychic by requesting that you post something about your experience before you even get there for the first time before having their permission to ask questions on the forum. I loved that one. Awesome! I assume by the attitudes of some that they all have private jets and can't possibly understand how normal people live and travel. What's all this layover stuff anyway? The only good piece of advice I could see was that Santos and Raymond Streets are a good bet. I would also recommend that you join DIA (dateinasia. Com) and search girls that live in Pampanga, Angeles, Clark, or Angeles City and talk with some of them. I have found that at least 50% or more of the girls on there from Angeles are bargirls looking to meet someone. I'm sure you could easily find several that would be open to meeting you during your brief layover. I would recommend that you be honest with them about what your looking for, they won't be offended. Stating something like,"I'll be there for several hours on a layover and would like to spend some time with you" should work. Look for key words under "occupation" such as unemployed, massage therpist, none, waitress, etc. These are usually descriptions that the bargirls give just to give an answer. I do want to apologize for all the so-called experts on here that think that are too good to just give you an answer without giving you an attitude. There are fucking morons everywhere. Oh, by the way, I'm just a regular guy like you that actually flies commercial jets and has to stop in one city sometimes just to get to another.[/QUOTE]LOL you crack me up, it good to read a well written comedy, I thought you where serious until you said dia and then gave him "advice" and yes there are plenty of fucking morons everywhere, this forum gets plenty maybe the sex guide int the URL has something to do with it.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1299987]LOL you crack me up, it good to read a well written comedy, I thought you where serious until you said dia and then gave him "advice" and yes there are plenty of fucking morons everywhere, this forum gets plenty maybe the sex guide int the URL has something to do with it.[/QUOTE]Its funny how you feel he was refering to you when he mentioned "moron".

[QUOTE=Gunshy;1299452]I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.[/QUOTE]AC is a brothel in real sense.

Your options are,

1. Before you go try in dateinasia. Com to see if you can arrange a meet up. Money talks.

2. There are 24 hour bars like dollhouse. Go, pick up girl, ask her for a ST hotel and you are set. If you do not like any girl there explain your situation and for a tip mamasans will call some girls for you.

3. Walk on fields avenue and try to hit up girls. Many bargirls walk there in daytime. Once again money talks.

4. Go to some massage places and ask. Do not worry. They get sex requests all the time. There is no set up there for sex. Need to go to ST hotel.

There is no transfer area in AC airport I believe. You need to go through immigration and wait and then do the immigration again. Last time I was there there was no real waiting area or lockers (update anyone?).

Vielendank. Takes no prisoners. I'm not going to snip any of this. Great post.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1299888]Gunshy, I guess some people here don't understand what a connecting flight or layover are. To think it's "weird" or "something wrong" with what you wrote / asked is just an example of someone talking and proving they are an idiot instead of keeping their mouth shut and having people wonder whether they are an idiot. My favorite answer on here is "RTFF If they would have followed their own advice they wouldn't have had to ask you "how brief is your stay" since, if they RTFF, would have seen you clearly stated how long you would be there. I guess some even think your a psychic by requesting that you post something about your experience before you even get there for the first time before having their permission to ask questions on the forum. I loved that one. Awesome! I assume by the attitudes of some that they all have private jets and can't possibly understand how normal people live and travel. What's all this layover stuff anyway? The only good piece of advice I could see was that Santos and Raymond Streets are a good bet. I would also recommend that you join DIA (dateinasia. Com) and search girls that live in Pampanga, Angeles, Clark, or Angeles City and talk with some of them. I have found that at least 50% or more of the girls on there from Angeles are bargirls looking to meet someone. I'm sure you could easily find several that would be open to meeting you during your brief layover. I would recommend that you be honest with them about what your looking for, they won't be offended. Stating something like,"I'll be there for several hours on a layover and would like to spend some time with you" should work. Look for key words under "occupation" such as unemployed, massage therpist, none, waitress, etc. These are usually descriptions that the bargirls give just to give an answer. I do want to apologize for all the so-called experts on here that think that are too good to just give you an answer without giving you an attitude. There are fucking morons everywhere. Oh, by the way, I'm just a regular guy like you that actually flies commercial jets and has to stop in one city sometimes just to get to another.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gunshy;1299452]I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.[/QUOTE]Just get a cheap ole hotel room, go down to one of the go go bars, bar fine a girl and take her back to your place? Sounds easy enough right?

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1300136]Thanks but to be honest I am just so damn tired of people being nasty, arrogant, and acting like they run these pages. You have a new guy wanting information and the best some people can do is call his situation weird (although Red Kilt did apoligize which was a class act) or tell him to RTFF. How hard is it to help out a new guy on the forum since that's what we are all here for anyway. Some people just have these illusions of grandeur and I wish they would take their attitudes and go away. Then to top it off you have the person saying to RTFF that asks how brief his visit will be when it's clearly stated. Just love how people tell people when they can post and when they can't as if they are Jackson who owns the website. It just proves that just because you have thousands of posts that it hasn't done a damn thing to increase their intelligence. The class of the person certainly doesn't correlate to the number of posts made by that person. I'm thoroughly convinced that some people have lost their fucking minds.[/QUOTE]Well said Vielendank.

I suggest a new acronym TBYP Think Before You Post.

I have only been a member for about a week now and have noticed a lot of what he is talking about. I have been to Angeles City 7 times, my last trip in 2009, and going to return in Dec 2011 for about 1 month. I have learned something everyday that I am in the Philippines and still have to ask questions at times. This is a great forum, an I appreciate all the input.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Sammon;1300073]AC is a brothel in real sense. There is no transfer area in AC airport I believe. You need to go through immigration and wait and then do the immigration again. Last time I was there there was no real waiting area or lockers (update anyone?).[/QUOTE]At the time of October 2011 there was a waiting area with stalls selling snacks and a souvenir shop. Wireless wasn't working . I was told there was meant to be wireless but it had been down for a few months. Someone else told me wireless was working in the check-in area. My 1 hour wait for a flight to HK on CP turned to an 8 hour wait. A cracked screen meant they had to fly out another plane to Clark. Still a few people were worse off than myself. They had waited more than a day since their flight was cancelled due to typhoons. So if you are flying out of AC to some other place for a connecting flight in the typhoon season, allow extra days in case your flight is seriously delayed.

[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1297768]This month I spent a little time in Manila and then I hit up some of the bars in AC. Here's my take of some of them, always IMHO:

Infinity: This is a new bar, I think it used to be Dirty Duck? Anyway, I though this place was terrible, too small and too many ugly girls, but a lot of the customers were really having a good time. It seemed like a hangout for older white guys. I had one drink with my Manila fucklet and left.

Candy Bar: One of my favorites, cheap 1100 peso barfines combined with pretty girls who like and know how to fuck. Why can't all the bars be like this? If you are looking for a barebacking three-holer, I can recommend Cicel from Leyte. If you want a girl next door look, I recommend Anabelle from Manila. Look for the chick with the longest hair in the bar. Hell, I wish I could have fucked the majority of the girls at this bar. Fun place.[/QUOTE]Ezinho,

Great report but with regards to Candy Bar and Infinity I beg to differ. For me one of the delights of AC is that two mongers can have totally different experiences given the exact same stimuli. I must have visited every bar on Fields and Perimiter over the last 5 weeks and I will write a full report when I leave, but for the record my experiences of Infinity and Candy Bar are diammetrically opposed to yours.

I found Candy Bar pretty cold and unatmospheric and it's not the sort of place I'd want to hang out. Some of the girls are quite attractive but most of them come from Manila and I sensed a slightly feral, hardcore quality about them. This was confirmed when I barfined an (allegedly) 18 year old called Argi (or R-G) who was far and away the worst girl (out of over 30) that I've bar fined during my current trip. She was attractive in a rake-thin model kind of a way with high cheek bones (almost Eastern European looking) but what she had in the looks department she lacked in attitude and social skills. I knew I'd made a mistake the moment we left the bar when she insisted on getting a tryke the 100 yards or so to my hotel. We ended up getting a jeepney. And then it was just downhill from there. The sex was ok but brief and mechanical and she wanted to call the shots. You can't do that, that and that. One of those sorts of girls and of course she wanted ultra short time, started eating the chocolate in my room without asking permission, wanted to know how much of a tip she was going to get before the sex. In short I was glad to get rid of the miserbale tart. Remember that name fellas. Argi. One to avoid. Of course I may have just picked the bad apple which has tainted my view of Candy Bar. The one great thing about the place is the 1100 peso bar fine. Which I liked a lot.

By contrast I have spent many wonderful hours in Infinity. Ok it's a bit sleazy but it's lovely and intimate and you sit very close to the dancers which I like. The girls may not be the best looking but they have character and are heaps of fun which makes them pleasent to be amongst. And the girls I've barfined have just been a delight, instant GFE, no trouble with staying LT and super fucks. The music is also ok, not quite to my taste but calibarted at a volume that allows you to actually have a conversation without resorting to shouting. If I have one complaint about Infinity it's related to the price of the barfine (1800) and the high number of pretty cherry girls on the floor. 50% of the girls you want to barfine are cherries who will bar hop but are too circumspect to go to your room for a BJ and a spot of DATY. All of which can be a little frustrating! But overall I really rate this place and would prefer spend a couple of hours in Infinity than at virtually any other bar on Fields. IMHO.

So there you have it. Two completely different takes on the exact same venues. Each, as they say, to their own.

D1

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1300136]I'm thoroughly convinced that some people have lost their fucking minds.[/QUOTE]And possibly I'm one of them. I didn't see the OP's 6-hour timeframe. Oops. Like RK, I saw the post as an odd one (for whatever reason).

[QUOTE=Doppel One; 1300324]snip.

The sex was ok but brief and mechanical and she wanted to call the shots. You can't do that, that and that. One of those sorts of girls[/QUOTE]D1: Nice post. Failure to discuss details in the bar before agreeing to barfine. Not every guy likes doing that, but if you fail to do it, the girl (legitimately) calls all the shots once in the room.

The good news is that most girls are still performing well at present (I was just there). Regarding that: a bar owner on Fields, a mamasan in another bar on fields (whom I date) , and three mama's from Santos and Raymond streets all confirm the same thing: its a very slow time. Plenty of customers walking the streets, poking heads in the door, but not enough customers sitting in the seats, buying drinks, buying LD's, or barfining. The fields mama and one of the Raymond street mamas (she might be the owner, and I had a long chat with her about price structure and customer service) told me they are telling the girls to be extra good to customers, stay longer, etc.

I will PM you about the chocolate-eating thing.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1300333]D1: Nice post. Failure to discuss details in the bar before agreeing to barfine. Not every guy likes doing that, but if you fail to do it, the girl (legitimately) calls all the shots once in the room.

The good news is that most girls are still performing well at present (I was just there). Regarding that: a bar owner on Fields, a mamasan in another bar on fields (whom I date) , and three mama's from Santos and Raymond streets all confirm the same thing: its a very slow time. Plenty of customers walking the streets, poking heads in the door, but not enough customers sitting in the seats, buying drinks, buying LD's, or barfining. The fields mama and one of the Raymond street mamas (she might be the owner, and I had a long chat with her about price structure and customer service) told me they are telling the girls to be extra good to customers, stay longer, etc.

I will PM you about the chocolate-eating thing.[/QUOTE]I was in AC few weeks ago and something weird seems to be going on. I was at ABC and my wingman at LGH because we could get 2 free standard suites in either place. Both hotels were booked out yet bars were empty and I mean really empty. Can't figure it out but I think punters are getting smarter, skiping the barfine when possible and drinking less. In the past I could see groups just having fun and drinking but thats gone. Plenty of available girls at the bars and not one bad experiance to report. If you specify what you want I think you will get it, its trully a buyers market there now.

For those at AC now, on Sunday the 8th ABC hasa pool party.

[QUOTE=Doppel One; 1300324]Ezinho,

Great report but with regards to Candy Bar and Infinity I beg to differ. For me one of the delights of AC is that two mongers can have totally different experiences given the exact same stimuli. I must have visited every bar on Fields and Perimiter over the last 5 weeks and I will write a full report when I leave, but for the record my experiences of Infinity and Candy Bar are diammetrically opposed to yours.

I found Candy Bar pretty cold and unatmospheric and it's not the sort of place I'd want to hang out. .

D1[/QUOTE]My 2 cents worth! I found the bar has nice atmosphere, and pleasant girls. Loved one with glasses. On the chubby side.

However, the barfine turned out to be disappointing. Even though we agreed on long time and other requirements,"Abegail" decided to leave after 1 hr and one shot. She had a nice almost hairless tight pussy, but cold fish. I suggest you stay away from her.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1299987]LOL you crack me up, it good to read a well written comedy, I thought you where serious until you said dia and then gave him "advice" and yes there are plenty of fucking morons everywhere, this forum gets plenty maybe the sex guide int the URL has something to do with it.[/QUOTE]It's realy quite funny when a guy who frequently claims to be "the expert" hasnt a clue about to spell.

So here Mr Frenzy, are some tips to your mis spelt words, which frequently occur.

" it good" doesn't mean anything. However if you change that to " it's good" the words now have meaning.

" I thought you where serious" would, by the use of the word "where" imply a location.

If you use " I thought you were, or if not so educated,"I thought you was " then the meaning would be more clear.

Use of the words "Morons". Hmm seems like their location is self evident.

Happy to help you Sir, maybe the 5 gals sponging off you have taken your money and your spelling away?

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1300403]Plenty of available girls at the bars and not one bad experiance to report.[/QUOTE]My experience was close. Everything was going swimmingly well, but I ran into two instances where the girl abruptly could not perform one or another previously-agreed upon item. I finished the session, and when I went back to the bar to chat the mamasan about the issue, either another girl was offered or a future discount was offered right there on the spot. In each instance the mama quized the girl in my presence, in each instance the girl did not contest what happened.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1300403]If you specify what you want I think you will get it, its trully a buyers market there now.[/QUOTE]Concur. As proof, one of the ST bars on Raymond has lowered its LT rate to 1. 2, and you can keep the girl a very long time. I took a girl for LT (originally ST, but she was cute as hell, so I asked about LT) at about 1:30pm, and asked how much time I had with the girl. I assumed it would be maybe 8 hours. The mama said,"You bring back tomorrow." Whoa. I asked, to know for sure, by what time."Twelve. Lunch. You keep. OK?" The girl curled her fingers into mine, and off we went, later picking up another girl from another bar.

Also, I went around one night with a Field's bar mama on her night off. We hit some perimeter bars where her friends worked, then SkyTracks for one drink (my idea, stupid of me, its way too loud) , then she wanted to stop in to her bar for a minute to check on her girls before retiring to the hotel. Once inside her bar, she waved her hand around the bar from right to left, saying: "See. Only 4 customer. Should be 20 customer. Also they sit alone, no girl, no lady drink. Bad business now."

[QUOTE=Gunshy;1299452]I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.[/QUOTE]Gushy,

I'm not sure if this is still relevant because you may have already cum and gone, so to speak, but if I was heading to AC for just six hours I wouldn't mess around with dating sites or with trying to hook up with freelancers, I would keep it very simple.

My itinirary would be something like this.

Arrive AC 8am and head straight for the Wild Orchid on Santos Street. Nice leisurely breakfast and then stroll across the street to the little row of short time bars. Things will be pretty quiet at that time but there is normally someone milling around. If you can talk to a mamasan and describe what you want she will no-doubt wake up one of the girls who sleeps on the premises who will then attend to your needs.

After an hour or so on Santos Street I would then stroll around the corner to Raymond Street and visit the ST bars there. By now it will probably be around midday and a few girls will be sitting outside trying to attract punters. The damage will be 700 pesos ST the same as the Santos Street bar you visited earlier.

About 1pm I'd head back to Wild Orchid where I arranged for them to look after my bags earlier. Collect bags. Get cab to airport.

Job done.

D1

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker;1300018]Its funny how you feel he was refering to you when he mentioned "moron".[/QUOTE]I did not think he was referring to me, I thought he included guys who need to tell people how to spell, and guys who forget to edit photos they post on the Internet when they have there dick in a lady boy.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1300549]It's realy quite funny when a guy who frequently claims to be "the expert" hasnt a clue about to spell.

So here Mr Frenzy, are some tips to your mis spelt words, which frequently occur.

" it good" doesn't mean anything. However if you change that to " it's good" the words now have meaning.

" I thought you where serious" would, by the use of the word "where" imply a location.

If you use " I thought you were, or if not so educated,"I thought you was " then the meaning would be more clear.

Use of the words "Morons". Hmm seems like their location is self evident.

Happy to help you Sir, maybe the 5 gals sponging off you have taken your money and your spelling away?[/QUOTE]Unlike you I get girls, and post photos. I never knew you where so educated, that you fly to Philippines just so you can get free sex from girls who are desperate to get out of the place.

It funny how the 2 trolls want to post replies to my post, when really I think the advice was way of base like the stuff you post.

6 hr stop over and to use dia, dreaming.

[QUOTE=Gunshy; 1299821]I'm taking the bus from Manila to catch a 4:10 pm Air Asia flight to Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia. This flight is much cheaper from Angeles City than from Manila. Mongering is not the primary reason for my travels, but I don't mind having some fun if it fit my travel plans.

I just sent you a private message. Thank you for your help.[/QUOTE]Good to see you clarified you original post which created some activity, you also did get some good advice on which bars to try. I hope you ignored the dia seems the arm chair guys get excited when they think they can post some shit they read on the board that they can repeat as if they are pussy experts, do come back and post how the moring bar hop went, and unlike the wankers who never come here post some photos, most of us never see the bars during the day, who knows they might even look ok during the day.

Frenzy speaks English quite well, however I have noticed that many guys just type quickly and post without doing any proofreading. As long as the general meaning of the post can be understood, IMHO its not a big deal.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1300837]Frenzy, once again, your one of the morons on here that think they know the answer to everything. I do agree with the other poster about your English language abilities. I'll excuse you for the pathetic grammar and spelling based on two assumptions; one, you never received a formal education or two, English is not your first language.![/QUOTE]Don't mean to turn this into a grammar lesson, but several times you wrote "your" when "you're" was the proper English.

Vielendank, I understand and was just trying to calm things down. As I have mentioned before, I met Frenzy a couple of times in Cebu and know that he has his own way of looking at things and a strong, what some may feel is abrasive, personality. However he does live in a squatter area, does live with 4 or 5 girls and can I think, contribute to the forum from a distinct point of view. He also posts some interesting photos from time to time. Anyway, I hope that the personal attacks from all sides including from Frenzy, can calm down so that the thread doesn't get filled with antagonistic posts.

[QUOTE=David_33;1300888]Anyway, I hope that the personal attacks from all sides including from Frenzy, can calm down so that the thread doesn't get filled with antagonistic posts.[/QUOTE]Damn, boys, it's about pussy and fun. Not oneupmanship. In the words of our dearly departed Rodney King,"Can't we just all get along?"

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1250561]I have been to AC before but it's been a couple years and I just couldn't remember.[/QUOTE]Maybe he couldn't remember that post back on February 21 asking advice on how to use an ATM card in Angeles City.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1297137]I go to Angeles several times a year and have for that past 10 years.[/QUOTE]Same guy now says on June 25th he's goes there several times per year. It makes me wonder if he's hitting the old bong back there in Orange County and really doesn't remember much of anything.

Hello everyone. I think I may have picked up something VD related in Japan. Headed from here to Angeles City. I am wondering if there are any pharmacies that will let me get some medicine without having to go through the doctor hoops. I'm not here in Japan long enough to see a doctor, and if this progresses, I'd rather just grab some anti-biotics in AC.

I know that in a lot of Latin American countries, you can get direct from the Pharmacist. Hoping Philippines is same.

Thanks

Hallo,

I am European man, living in south of Sri Lanka in the small hotel with 21 rooms, restaurant and bar.

I am seeking for the nice, smiling and diligent woman, who will come to work in my hotel as the waitress, house maid and escort for mainly european guests. Basic knowledge of English is requested. Minimal period to work here is 3 month. Accomodation and food is included. Salary to be agreed.

I am looking forward you will reply me if you are interested to stay and work in the nice hotel in the sunny Sri Lanka.

Jiri Svoboda

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver; 1300908]Maybe he couldn't remember that post back on February 21 asking advice on how to use an ATM card in Angeles City.

Same guy now says on June 25th he's goes there several times per year. It makes me wonder if he's hitting the old bong back there in Orange County and really doesn't remember much of anything.[/QUOTE]I, for one, don't give a rat's ass about the precise dates and times of Vielendank's trips to AC. His point is spot on in that some of the more prolific posters have a real superiority complex. Thank you for posting Vielendank. It needed to be said.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1300914]Hello everyone. I think I may have picked up something VD related in Japan. Headed from here to Angeles City. I am wondering if there are any pharmacies that will let me get some medicine without having to go through the doctor hoops. I'm not here in Japan long enough to see a doctor, and if this progresses, I'd rather just grab some anti-biotics in AC.

I know that in a lot of Latin American countries, you can get direct from the Pharmacist. Hoping Philippines is same.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Rick.

I'm in Japan as well. Just go to Mercury drug and you can get ZITHROMAX for 350 peso per pill. That is roughly what I paid. No one asks you for a prescription. Its readily available.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3; 1300745]Unlike you I get girls, and post photos. I never knew you where so educated, that you fly to Philippines just so you can get free sex from girls who are desperate to get out of the place.

It funny how the 2 trolls want to post replies to my post, when really I think the advice was way of base like the stuff you post.

6 hr stop over and to use dia, dreaming.[/QUOTE]Once again, its "were" not "where"."way of base" would be more understandable is you said " way off base". Otherwise its just gibberish.

Actually I fly to the Philippines to look after my businesses. For obvious reasons I don't fill a sex forum with my business activities.

The free sex is just a nice happy bonus.

And I get as much as you, but unlike you, I don't claim here or anywhere else to be the expert.

I prefer to be inclusive, as opposed to the Frenzy style of " I said it so it must be correct and if you disagree with me that makes you a wanker "

Theres a lot of us here on this board. You are just one of many.

Try to be less opinionated, try to be less abrasive, try to be part of the crowd instead of the guy on his own and you will find the board is a heck of lot more enjoyable. Oh and try to find spell check too.

[QUOTE=Hatguy; 1300926]Rick.

I'm in Japan as well. Just go to Mercury drug and you can get ZITHROMAX for 350 peso per pill. That is roughly what I paid. No one asks you for a prescription. Its readily available.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for the help. I have sent you a PM.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1300837]Frenzy, once again, your one of the morons on here that think they know the answer to everything. I do agree with the other poster about your English language abilities. I'll excuse you for the pathetic grammar and spelling based on two assumptions; one, you never received a formal education or two, English is not your first language. I just can't understand how you can tell someone that something doesn't work when I have used DIA many times for this type situation and for long term situations. I won't even begin to explain why as I'm sure you wouldn't understand anything I say. To Gunshy, DIA works in both long term and short term situations and I have actually had girls come pick me up at the airport and we went to a short time hotel for several hours. Frenzy, I really feel sorry for you since it's obvious that you have already learned everything that life has to offer and there's nothing more for you to learn. Something tells me that the only reason you "get girls" is because you have peso's in your pockets. I have met so many girls on DIA that never charged me a dime although I did take care of them anyway as a respectful gesture. You sound so damn bitter. Is it a Napolean Complex or penis envy you suffer from? Not sure which applies to you. Your the exact type asshole that this forum doesn't need. You have nothing to offer and you can't write a complete sentence so what you do write is not comprehendable anyway. Sorry for using a word you don't understand. You can go to Dictionary. Com to look up all the words I wrote that are 5 letters or more. The only one here that claims to be an expert is your sorry ass. I'm convinced after seeing your bitterness that the only way you can get a girl is to pay them. You are probably sour on DIA because the girls didn't want to have anything to do with your fat, ugly ass. There are other guys on here that can get girls based on charm and taking care of ourselves. Please, try to improve your personality and you might get laid without having to pay. Oh, in case you didn't notice, I was typing slowly so you could understand that words that I was writing. Just my thought, I could be wrong![/QUOTE]I couldn't understand what you were saying as you wrote it all in 1 paragraph, when everyone with proper "formal education" knows how to make paragraphical breaks. If you need help just let 1 of us with a "formal education" help you.

[QUOTE=Hatguy; 1300926]Rick.

I'm in Japan as well. Just go to Mercury drug and you can get ZITHROMAX for 350 peso per pill. That is roughly what I paid. No one asks you for a prescription. Its readily available.[/QUOTE]Walking on the heart of Field's Avenue, with Kokomo's restaurant on your right, about 3 doors down is a small street farmacy. Zithro was p140, and Doxycycline was p9 per pill.

Great, thanks. Is this stuff effective? Sorry, but never had any VD problems before and as you can imagine a bit startling. Any recommendations on doses or that kind of thing?

[QUOTE=Kitie Carson;1300942]I couldn't understand what you were saying as you wrote it all in 1 paragraph, when everyone with proper "formal education" knows how to make paragraphical breaks. If you need help just let 1 of us with a "formal education" help you.[/QUOTE]Ah ah looks like a post graduate university professor needs technical support by a nursery school teacher to go through his basics. Might be able to use a super computer but can't do the math at the grocery shop.

[QUOTE=Svoboda; 1300915]Hallo,

I am European man, living in south of Sri Lanka in the small hotel with 21 rooms, restaurant and bar.

I am seeking for the nice, smiling and diligent woman, who will come to work in my hotel as the waitress, house maid and escort for mainly european guests. Basic knowledge of English is requested. Minimal period to work here is 3 month. Accomodation and food is included. Salary to be agreed.

I am looking forward you will reply me if you are interested to stay and work in the nice hotel in the sunny Sri Lanka.

Jiri Svoboda[/QUOTE]Are you running a brothel disguised as hotel? Who is going to do the maid services when she is "escorting". The whole post sounds a bit funny.

Hi RR,

Sent you a PM. Please check.

Cheers!

Joyra

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1300914]Hello everyone. I think I may have picked up something VD related in Japan. Headed from here to Angeles City. I am wondering if there are any pharmacies that will let me get some medicine without having to go through the doctor hoops. I'm not here in Japan long enough to see a doctor, and if this progresses, I'd rather just grab some anti-biotics in AC.

I know that in a lot of Latin American countries, you can get direct from the Pharmacist. Hoping Philippines is same.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Are you sure that you want to self-medicate something like this? There are a variety of STD's out there, some with very serious health risks. Zithromax may not do the trick, BUT could possibly mask symptoms and allow an infection to brew unnoticed in your system (e. G. Syphilis). Also, if you don't knock out the infection properly the first time, you could make it more difficult later on by making the little bugs resistant to antibiotics.

Don't play this game with something as important as your health. Spend a few bucks and see a COMPETENT physician, and get this thing treated right. It will be much cheaper in the long run.

RG

Hey Freebie, I read your last post. You said to F3 that he is just one of many on this board. You should remember that he and a few of his friends decided that unless you post a picture on the photo section you are not suppose to make any comments. We are to use the chit chat section for our comments. To a certain point I can see this, but sometimes it is crazy to look at a picture and then go to a different thread and keep switching back and forth.

My point being that he was some how elected to be in charge of the Philippine section. You do remember voting don't you? So you must understand his management ways.

Unfortunately, did I spell that correctly, my computer ports won't allow me post pictures as they don't work correctly any more. To much money to repair and to much to buy a new computer so I won't post any pictures. But I might write something to get him going.

Your last post was well said.

[quote=vielendank;1300919]i go to angeles a couple times a year for work and almost never go to fields roads or the bars. i work on clark field and most of the girls i'm with i meet on dia. i really don't know what point your trying to make anyway since it's not related to anything that we are talking about. the only mistake i made on my post is i should have wrote that i haven't been on fields road or to the bars in years. either way, the incestous relationships that people have on here and belief that their view is the only legitimate one is really pathetic. if you want to buy into their bs go ahead. i just don't happen to think that one person's opinion is the only one. i still almost never use an atm card there so i could / would probably ask that same question again in the future.[/quote]look you and the other trolls always look like a bunch of lying fustrated losers. so far this whole ac thread has been taken off topic with this shit over one guys post which he replied with more info and even quoted my reply.

that the whole thing about forums we all have opinions, some one may disagree with your opinions, just move on or clarify you opinon rather than attack the posters, talking about levels of english on a international forum makes you look like a ass.

i post here my experiances and guys who respect it have made the effort and met up with me, since i live in philippines with 5 gf i do have quite a few contacts with girls here. so when i post i post what i know from living with the locals, rather than living in motels and bars. like all anonymous posters you can ignore my advice or argue why you think i am wrong, but just posting attacks just makes you a troll.

we are all here to post and share one interest, sex with women.

[QUOTE=Radical Guy; 1301083]Are you sure that you want to self-medicate something like this? There are a variety of STD's out there, some with very serious health risks. Zithromax may not do the trick, BUT could possibly mask symptoms and allow an infection to brew unnoticed in your system (e. G. Syphilis). Also, if you don't knock out the infection properly the first time, you could make it more difficult later on by making the little bugs resistant to antibiotics.

Don't play this game with something as important as your health. Spend a few bucks and see a COMPETENT physician, and get this thing treated right. It will be much cheaper in the long run.

RG[/QUOTE]You are probably right. Any recommendations on where to go? Truth is, I don't have insurance or a ton of money, and I'm deathly afraid of doctors.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1301085]----- he and a few of his friends decided that unless you post a picture on the photo section you are not suppose to make any comments. We are to use the chit chat section for our comments. To a certain point I can see this, but sometimes it is crazy to look at a picture and then go to a different thread and keep switching back and forth.[/QUOTE]Very well and appropriately said. It is like having a sequence of questions in one page and the others in another one.

A comment to a picture can't be done with an immediate and visible reference to the picture itself.

On the other hand replying on the photo gallery's without posting a picture is a no-no. The idea sounds nice but, again, not always practicable. What if I don't have a picture available? What if my picture has nothing to do with the area of talks? Am I refrained from the liberty to post a comment saying "that girl has been working also elsewhere and was no good". Which girl? May I post the comment if I add an image of my cat? Honestly, the whole story seems a non-sense to me and a bit arrogant. There is only one guy who can set rules and this is Jackson, the rest is corporals trying to add the stripes on the sleeves so they can see them when watching themselves at the mirror. Over 70years ago an Austrian corporal made his way through a political party. He didn't like to see around any guy with no blue eyes, inducing anyone not being blonde to stay around, questioning their beliefs, sex inclinations and so on. He was also keen to export his views.

Not the best years of last centuries.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1301095]You are probably right. Any recommendations on where to go? Truth is, I don't have insurance or a ton of money, and I'm deathly afraid of doctors.[/QUOTE]No, I don't know any specific doctors, but there must be some reputable clinics around. If it were me, I'd find one in the nicer areas of Manila (Makati?) , rather than AC. In the Philippines, the more competent doctors stay in the larger cities, while the quacks tend to go to the provinces where they don't examine credentials so closely.

When I was in Davao a couple of years ago, I got a nasty throat infection and high fever, and went to the Davao Doctors Hospital. I was quite impressed with their professionalism and competence, and the cost was very reasonable.

RG

Last time I was there and paying any attention, I thought High Society was a bar much like Blue Niles but just heard it has been turned into a disco. I thought Skytraxs was the only disco in the Fields area but guess they now have competition.

Anyone been to High Society? Does it have a cover charge like Skytrax (I think SkyT was 150p admission but this included one drink).

So is High Society the "in" place to pick up FL rather than Sky?

[quote=vielendank;1300919]i go to angeles a couple times a year for work and almost never go to fields roads or the bars. i work on clark field and most of the girls i'm with i meet on dia.[/quote]i tried this method once and it kinda backfired on me with dia. wasted time and money on a "date" that turned out to be a bg that was off duty and had to pay her anyway for a f*k. just for those that haven't tried dia or other similar dating sites, about 90% of what they tell you is bs and up to you to sort it out. some will even tell you they come from different provinces but actually live nearby. didn't work for me as i usually have 1 week only for ac but for those living in pi its a different story with more time to kill. but also beware of scammers with these sites as one buddy of mine was almost scammed with the whole **** thing with the dia site and another posted (on a different site) how he was drugged back at his place and got cleaned out.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1301214]I keep hearing about people being drugged and for me it's not an issue as I never leave my drink / beer unattended (even when I go to the bathroom) and I don't eat anything unless it's been put in front of my by a waiter or waitress. I won't "try" something if a girl asks me too.[/QUOTE]It amazes me how these guys read this bullshit someplace and accept it as the gospel. The odds of something like this happening are much greater in Las Vegas than it is in Angeles City. I doubt this clown has even been to Angeles City. Next thing he will be saying is 10 percent of Filipinas we bang are actually men.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1249652]Statistics will also show that of the 400 girls that you "sexed" that the probability is that at least 40 of them where men / katoeys / ladyboys or whatever adjective you want to use. I hope you were looking closely especially in the PI's.[/QUOTE]Whoops, he did say it, LOL! Where the hell does he get those 'statistics'? Let me guess, his ass?

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1301297]One more thing, let me know if your in Angeles or will be there in August. I'll be back there for work from August 24th through the 29th. I would prefer that since you have a problem with me that we discuss this in person. Seems to be the best way to do it. I always stay at Pacific Breeze hotel. You can PM me and I can tell you what I'll be wearing, what time I'll be there, and we can meet at the bar by the swimming pool. You can bring a friend or your mom with you if you'd like. I'm not going to have you attack me personally on here without giving you the opportunity to work this out in person.[/QUOTE]Yes, we all look forward to your maiden voyage to AC. I do hope your questions were fully answered on how to use an ATM card and don't forget to bring your beer with you to the crapper while cruising the bars since I'm sure some evil beaver has plans to slip a mickey in your drink and then have a ladyboy have his way with you. Meow!

Who takes a trip half way around the world to have a fist fight while on vacation? Come on guys, you are all being ridiculous at this point. Let it go. It's not so serious.

[QUOTE=Sharka; 1301195]Last time I was there and paying any attention, I thought High Society was a bar much like Blue Niles but just heard it has been turned into a disco. I thought Skytraxs was the only disco in the Fields area but guess they now have competition.

Anyone been to High Society? Does it have a cover charge like Skytrax (I think SkyT was 150p admission but this included one drink).

So is High Society the "in" place to pick up FL rather than Sky?[/QUOTE]High society was a disco from day one. Its owned by the LGH group. No cover charge, at least at times I have been. SkyT has 150p only on Friday and saturdays and I belive and its free every other night.

Yes High Society is the IN place rather the SkyT. Don't know about freelancers, there are girls there but a lot of them a bargirls barhoping with clients or groups of locals. Don't assume everyone is a freelancer LOL. Anyway in AC its kind of stupid to look for freelancers considering the cheap barfine. Don't know about you but the $10 or so you may save is just not worth the risk of some broad trying to rob me in the room or renag on our deal. Don't get me wrong I am all for it in other parts of Phils but in AC I see no point chassing freelancers IMO.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1301214]I keep hearing about people being drugged and for me it's not an issue as I never leave my drink / beer unattended (even when I go to the bathroom) and I don't eat anything unless it's been put in front of my by a waiter or waitress. I won't "try" something if a girl asks me too.[/QUOTE]Shit like that happens in Thailand and few other countries in SEA but NOT in phils especially not in AC. Its way to expensive for a bar girl to get that sort of drugs and run that kind of scheme in a place like AC where bars and hotels rely on the tourists. Even in Thailand it happens at high end places or known expats that have cash at their place. The thing you should watch out is the ICE. Smaller bars are not very pedantic and don't care if it falls on the floor or gets dirty. You can get sick very easy from it. Another thing is fresh salad. Its washed with tap water. OK in Manila, not so in AC if you have a sensitive stomach like me.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1301095]You are probably right. Any recommendations on where to go? Truth is, I don't have insurance or a ton of money, and I'm deathly afraid of doctors.[/QUOTE]Ask the bargirls about the one handed doctor (yes he has only one hand) near the cotton club. Basically get in a trike and ask the driver to take you to the STD clinic near the cotton club on perimeter Road. Its 20-30 meters from the cotton club and I think you have to go upstages. Look at the signage there you should see it or ask someone near there. He is the BEST. All he does is STD's and he does it on the spot in most cases. Few expats that live in AC have recommended him. Sorry I don't have any more details I have never been there myself but my wingman had to go few months ago and he got everything he needed including prescriptions from the doc on the spot in less than an hour. He went early when the clinic opened up. I hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1301389]I don't go there for vacation but for work. Also, no one said anything about a fist fight. When someone attacks me personally then I would rather discuss it in person then on this forum. No one needs to hear this shit but if the person that has issues with me and likes to make it personal I would rather meet in person over a beer. He's a coward anyway and would never meet me. There is a big difference making a counterpoint on something someone said and making personal attacks. LPB needs to learn the difference and not everyone is going to take his shit and ignore it.[/QUOTE]Your invitation, subsequent posts and name calling to him sure sounds like you're inviting him for fight, people are usually not this insistent on meeting strangers they disagree with for a beer.

[QUOTE=Gunshy;1299821]I'm taking the bus from Manila to catch a 4:10 pm Air Asia flight to Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia. This flight is much cheaper from Angeles City than from Manila. Mongering is not the primary reason for my travels, but I don't mind having some fun if it fit my travel plans.[/QUOTE]Cool this makes sense now. I think you had all of off the track even I thought you are coming in to phils via clark only to transfer latter on a flight to cebu or somewhere. Please be more specific in future.

Anyway my advise to you is go down Fields Avenue and look at some of the big 24 hour bars. ATLANTIS, GENESIS, one of BLUE or GOLDEN NILE also VOODOO (I think it was voodoo, definitely the one next to the DEVIL WITCH is 24hrs) and few others. There is 200 or so girls to chose from so I am sure you will find what you are looking for. Ask on the street they will point you in the right direction.

I have gone hunting around 5-6am twice after an early flight in to AC and I was surprised of some the quality thats on offer even at that time in the morning. What I would suggest to you is make sure you interview the girl properly and identify if she has been on stage all night or just started. You don't want a girl that has been on all night and its about to end her shift.

DIA can be useful but I would NOT recommend in your case. Yes DIA works in AC but there are 2 types of girls that are on it. Bar girls which would know whats the score and will charge you same as the barfine in their bar anyway so whats the point, you may as well have a look and pick up from the 200 or so in the bars at the time. 2nd type is non bar girls but they tend to be more difficult because they wear the stigma of the bar girls and almost every foreigner sees and treats them as bar girls so they tend to avoid us altogether especially if you are staying around fields or its a short time stop over. Bottom line is its not worth the time in your case. Having said all this its a different story if you spend 2-3 weeks then by all means pursue it.

Anyway good luck, please report back you have had some great advice from lot of people here and I am sure many of us want to know what happened.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1301407]Everyone has different interpretations. I was giving him an opporunity to talk to me face to face about issues that I assume he had with me. I wasn't talking to him, never inititated a conversation with him, and he started talking shit. I just thought that since he had issues, and I go there regularly for work, that we could discuss it in person instead of on this forum. But, he apparently doesn't want to do that. I'm done with him and F3 as they aren't worth my time. If you read most of my posts you will see that I offer advice or ask questions in a respectful way. If someone attacks me, I will attack back. I'm not going to ignore it especially when it's a personal comment he / they made. Don't worry I have no intention of talking or responding to F3 or Little Pussy Boy anymore.[/QUOTE]It would be an absolute tragedy if you you met up and both killed each other but at least then we wouldn't have to put up with this childish saga being played out on the board. Please girls calm down.

I think we can agree or disagree but there is no point and no advantage to shout loud hard definitions. The target will care the less (why should I care if a total stranger I don't even know the face of calls me by name or think I am an idiot). The attacker will have his own little and solitary satisfaction (that I define a mental masturbation). I don't agree and made it public on this over enforcement (written only, BTW, with no action) about the unwritten rule in the PG. But I don't see the point in calling names, define his partners and so on, the guy who has that opinion. Different POV's for sure. Will I be correct if I call him idiot? Don't think so! Will he be oissing I his pants reding that Bionicman rates him an idiot. No way. He (and I would do the same) can care the less. Something is explaining and defending one's position, opinion. Something else is defining what his partners are, especially if totally uknown, therefore the definition is purely fictitious and virtual.

I stay correct in my critic, but I let the guy be as, ultimately, we are talking about a FF (yes, those two F's are part of the RTFF acronymous!)

Do we need this?
Amen.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1301388]Ask the bargirls about the one handed doctor (yes he has only one hand) near the cotton club. Basically get in a trike and ask the driver to take you to the STD clinic near the cotton club on perimeter Road. Its 20-30 meters from the cotton club and I think you have to go upstages. Look at the signage there you should see it or ask someone near there. He is the BEST. All he does is STD's and he does it on the spot in most cases. Few expats that live in AC have recommended him. Sorry I don't have any more details I have never been there myself but my wingman had to go few months ago and he got everything he needed including prescriptions from the doc on the spot in less than an hour. He went early when the clinic opened up. I hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks buddy. Very helpful information that I will put to good use. Cheers!

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1301400]Anyway my advise to you is go down Fields Avenue and look at some of the big 24 hour bars. ATLANTIS, GENESIS, one of BLUE or GOLDEN NILE also VOODOO (I think it was voodoo, definitely the one next to the DEVIL WITCH is 24hrs)[/QUOTE]Atlantis is not open 24 hrs, Voodoo and Dollhouse yes, Genesis I'm not sure.

Cheers!

I hadn't been back to the PI in 5 years and jumped at the chance when I knew I was going to Guam for work. I RTFF for a month to get reacquainted with Angeles and Subic to prepare and am glad I did.

I arrived in Angeles at midnight after sitting in two hours of traffic in Manila. I stayed at the Bourbon Street Condo Hotel on Santos in a penthouse suite complete with all the amenities. I skipped the bars on Fields and went right to the side street clubs as the forum indicated there were quite a few good finds that didn't have the attitude of the Fields Ave girls.

I met Gina at the Eager Beaver bar on a side street to Fields (Raymond?). Her bar fine was 1, 800 pesos for long time and I gladly paid, as it was getting close to 2am by that time. We went back to the room, had a drink, and started with the usual shower. We climbed into bed and I immediately jumped into DATY which surprised her a little. She came a few times and then I pulled out one of three vibrators I brought along. She looked at them and said 'NO' in a firm way. But then I turned it on and put it on her clit and she melted in the bed sheets. She loved to get fucked and we did several positions before we passed out and slept. I woke her up about three hours later with a huge hard-on and she gladly accommodated. She is a girl that actually fucks you at the same time and she doesn't just lay back and receive. Once we woke up, we went next door to the Wild Orchid Resort for breakfast and then to the mall to buy bulk beer and wine. Once back in the room. I started feeling her up while she was checking her Facebook and after a while, she closed out and we stripped and got busy on the sofa for a few hours.

Gina will only do long time on Fridays and Saturdays, as she is trying to complete her high school classes at 23yrs old. She'll do short time seven days a week. She is a definite repeat for me if I make it back to Angeles. She adamantly refused to have pictures showing her face, so what you see here was the best I could get.

I had just left the hotel and was barely making my way up Santos to Fields Ave when I laid eyes on Heartland. She had to have been one of the best looking young ladies I'the seen since getting to the PI. She is 18yrs old and has a body to die for. I walked right up, sat down, grabbed a beer and bought her a lady drink and started chatting away. It was about 6pm and she agreed to a long time, so I paid her bar fine of 1, 250 pesos and we went across the street to the hotel. We talked a little more and then jumped in the shower to rinse off. We headed right in bed and didn't miss a beat before I headed for DATY and she was grabbing my cock. After she came a few times, I brought out the vibrators and just like Gina, she voiced hesitation until she felt one up against her clit. Then I thought I was going to have to pry it away from her. We played for a few hours and then drifted off to sleep. I woke her up at 6am to start again and finished just as her phone started ringing off the hook. Heartland and her Mamasan told me I was her first long time and she only did short times in the back room. She didn't realize (nor did I) that the 'long time' ended at 6am when her shift started (she works 6am-6pm). She wound up being an hour and half late for her shift and Mamasan fined her 800 pesos, which I thought was pretty fucked up.

My next two reports are from Subic Bay.

Gina looks hot. Good score bro.

I really like your pics Expecta. Can you provide more to us?

[QUOTE=Great Expecta; 1301523]I had just left the hotel and was barely making my way up Santos to Fields Ave when I laid eyes on Heartland. She had to have been one of the best looking young ladies I'the seen since getting to the PI. She is 18yrs old and has a body to die for. I walked right up, sat down, grabbed a beer and bought her a lady drink and started chatting away. It was about 6pm and she agreed to a long time, so I paid her bar fine of 1, 250 pesos and we went across the street to the hotel. We talked a little more and then jumped in the shower to rinse off. We headed right in bed and didn't miss a beat before I headed for DATY and she was grabbing my cock. After she came a few times, I brought out the vibrators and just like Gina, she voiced hesitation until she felt one up against her clit. Then I thought I was going to have to pry it away from her. We played for a few hours and then drifted off to sleep. I woke her up at 6am to start again and finished just as her phone started ringing off the hook. Heartland and her Mamasan told me I was her first long time and she only did short times in the back room. She didn't realize (nor did I) that the 'long time' ended at 6am when her shift started (she works 6am-6pm). She wound up being an hour and half late for her shift and Mamasan fined her 800 pesos, which I thought was pretty fucked up.

My next two reports are from Subic Bay.[/QUOTE]

Great pics, mind to share the fl hp number.

[QUOTE=Great Expecta; 1301518]I hadn't been back to the PI in 5 years and jumped at the chance when I knew I was going to Guam for work. I RTFF for a month to get reacquainted with Angeles and Subic to prepare and am glad I did.

I arrived in Angeles at midnight after sitting in two hours of traffic in Manila. I stayed at the Bourbon Street Condo Hotel on Santos in a penthouse suite complete with all the amenities. I skipped the bars on Fields and went right to the side street clubs as the forum indicated there were quite a few good finds that didn't have the attitude of the Fields Ave girls.

I met Gina at the Eager Beaver bar on a side street to Fields (Raymond?). Her bar fine was 1, 800 pesos for long time and I gladly paid, as it was getting close to 2am by that time. We went back to the room, had a drink, and started with the usual shower. We climbed into bed and I immediately jumped into DATY which surprised her a little. She came a few times and then I pulled out one of three vibrators I brought along. She looked at them and said 'NO' in a firm way. But then I turned it on and put it on her clit and she melted in the bed sheets. She loved to get fucked and we did several positions before we passed out and slept. I woke her up about three hours later with a huge hard-on and she gladly accommodated. She is a girl that actually fucks you at the same time and she doesn't just lay back and receive. Once we woke up, we went next door to the Wild Orchid Resort for breakfast and then to the mall to buy bulk beer and wine. Once back in the room. I started feeling her up while she was checking her Facebook and after a while, she closed out and we stripped and got busy on the sofa for a few hours.

Gina will only do long time on Fridays and Saturdays, as she is trying to complete her high school classes at 23yrs old. She'll do short time seven days a week. She is a definite repeat for me if I make it back to Angeles. She adamantly refused to have pictures showing her face, so what you see here was the best I could get.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doppel One;1301436]It would be an absolute tragedy if you you met up and both killed each other but at least then we wouldn't have to put up with this childish saga being played out on the board. Please girls calm down.[/QUOTE]Do not start a fight here. Size is of no use as guns are easily available here and people here have shown me some. Just monger peacefully as there are just plenty of girls and far too few takers. If you go to the bars on the average ratio of customers to girls is 1:10. PEACE

[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1301468]Atlantis is not open 24 hrs, Voodoo and Dollhouse yes, Genesis I'm not sure.

Cheers![/QUOTE]You could be right about Atlantis anyway there are few places open 24h which is enough to find something. Dollhouse on its own should be enough LOL.

[QUOTE=Great Expecta;1301523]I had just left the hotel and was barely making my way up Santos to Fields Ave when I laid eyes on Heartland. She had to have been one of the best looking young ladies I'the seen since getting to the PI. She is 18yrs old and has a body to die for. .[/QUOTE]Nice looking chick but body to die for? Maybe after she loses a few pounds from her waist line, right now she looks like many regular bodies in AC but good find.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1301669]Nice looking chick but body to die for? Maybe after she loses a few pounds from her waist line, right now she looks like many regular bodies in AC but good find.[/QUOTE]I believe the way she was sitting when I took the picture makes it look like she needs to lose a few pounds. Drop by and check her out.

[QUOTE=Great Expecta;1301680]I believe the way she was sitting when I took the picture makes it look like she needs to lose a few pounds. Drop by and check her out.[/QUOTE]Nah, no offense and it's good that you had a great time with her but she is not the kind of girl I go for.

Has anyone seen any particularly busty girls in AC? I mean slim and stacked, not fat. Any intel appreciated. I'll be there for three days in October.

[QUOTE=Great Expecta;1301680]I believe the way she was sitting when I took the picture makes it look like she needs to lose a few pounds. Drop by and check her out.[/QUOTE]Her body is starting to show that Filipina junky fast food & candy look so common among working girls in the PI. She is young and still looks pretty good, but it is going to be a downhill ride from here. The important thing is she showed you a good time.

Truth be told, there are very few absolute stunners on Fields, Perimeter or Santos. Nice looking, GFE girls and reasonable prices is what the AC bar scene is all about. If you want the stunners go to Manila, Cebu, BKK and Macau and pay the price.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1301717]Her body is starting to show that Filipina junky fast food & candy look so common among working girls in the PI. She is young and still looks pretty good, but it is going to be a downhill ride from here. The important thing is she showed you a good time.

Truth be told, there are very few absolute stunners on Fields, Perimeter or Santos. Nice looking, GFE girls and reasonable prices is what the AC bar scene is all about. If you want the stunners go to Manila, Cebu, BKK and Macau and pay the price.[/QUOTE]AC has stunners too. Depends on what you like and consider a stunner maybe you are not looking at the right bars for you. I don't disagree about Manila, BKK and Macau but Cebu? I find the best cebuana bar girls working in AC. Cebu bars have nothing to offer compared to AC. Yes non bar scene in Cebu is good much better then AC but as far as pay 4 play goes AC has it better and far more of it. Manila YES there is better quality of girls there then AC but this I think is mainly due to the upbringing you will find more cultured, better english speaking girls in Makati then the province girls you find in AC. Same can be said if you compare BKK vs Patt. Macau is another level but price there is not even comparable to AC so no point comparing.

Great Expecta. I agree with the other posters, you should go and explore more around fields. I like Eger Bever but 1800p is just LOL not right for that place. Plenty of better talent on Fields for that price. Don't get me wrong both of them are not bad but you may want to do a bit more exploring seems like you are picking up the first ok looking chick. Have a great time there and keep up the reports

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1301722]AC has stunners too. Depends on what you like and consider a stunner maybe you are not looking at the right bars for you. I don't disagree about Manila, BKK and Macau but Cebu? I find the best cebuana bar girls working in AC. Cebu bars have nothing to offer compared to AC. Yes non bar scene in Cebu is good much better then AC but as far as pay 4 play goes AC has it better and far more of it. Manila YES there is better quality of girls there then AC but this I think is mainly due to the upbringing you will find more cultured, better english speaking girls in Makati then the province girls you find in AC. Same can be said if you compare BKK vs Patt. Macau is another level but price there is not even comparable to AC so no point comparing.[/QUOTE]I never said AC does not have stunners. It does for sure, but they are rare and I have to admit that I have never bar fined an AC stunner. Which bars have stunners would make an excellent topic. I have found a couple 9*s in Golden Nile and Blue Nile Executive, Club Asia, and the big boys; Dolls House and Atlantis but for some reason or another I never could connect with them. I remember the first couple nights of my first trip to AC, when I hunted exclusively for the really hot girls; my results were not too good. Looking back, I am still not sure what the problem was, but when I recalibrated my target on the third night, I met with great success and that's the way it has been for me ever since. I now search AC almost exclusively for the nice looking, friendly, girl next door types and I am very satisfied with the results.

When I included Cebu in my list of destinations with stunners, I was specifically thinking of the lineup at Arena. Last time I was there in March, I was very impressed with the number of girls and the respectable percentage of real lookers at that nightclub. I can't put my finger on what the difference was (probably ethnic) , but the Arena girls looked different than the girls at AF1 or Pegasus in Manila, but still very attractive.

You are right that Macau is not comparable to AC in price and I also think in terms of quality. The Chinese super models in the top Saunas go for $200 to $275 for ST and a healthy number of them are really beautiful. On another level, Filipinas FL's hanging out in Macau bars like MP3 want $100 or more for LT and most of them are not very attractive at all, IMHO. But a stunner in AF1, Pegasus, or Arena is going to cost a huge sum. You can't walk out of Arena for example with a really hot girl for under 8000p. And the cost is higher at AF1 and Pegasus, so these joints with arguably the best looking P4P girls in the PI are comparable to Macau Saunas in terms of price and quality. MBC and FL's aside, Manila can be a very high priced place to play the game.

Once you make friends with a high priced girl from one of these nightclubs, you can easily make arrangements to see her again for a lot less $$$ and cut out the club. That's what I did with my little spinner I met at Arena. After the initial big barfine night (BF was 6000p) , I gave her around 2000p in gifts and money for our afternoon trysts. She was a real nice and very good looking girl. I am still in YahooM with her and plan to see her again sometime. Arena keeps a large chunk of her earnings and she was living in a dormitory with a bunch of other girls. She was eager to come with me to Palawan, but I was not sure at the time since I had only known her for a few days, so I left her in Cebu City. Next time, if all goes well, I might just take her to some beach.

Getting back to my original post, I am happy to accept AC for what it is and to have a real good time with the friendly, nice looking, but not spectacular girl next door type bar girls there. I go to Macau for the Chinese stunners (visa cards readily accepted) , to BKK for the variety including stunners (and because I love Thai girls) , and to Manila for better looking and very friendly English speaking Filipina girls.

I am going to be back in the big three: Macau, MNL, and BKK in less than 90 days. Unfortunately I will not be stopping by AC on this trip, but my itinerary includes Jakarta and Batam for the first time. It should be a real good trip. I will be spending 3 nights in Malate on the way in and 3 nights in Makati on the way out.

[QUOTE=Great Expecta;1301523]She wound up being an hour and half late for her shift and Mamasan fined her 800 pesos, which I thought was pretty fucked up.[/QUOTE]Yes, very fucked up. You of course gave her the 800 pesos, right?

[QUOTE=Great Expecta;1301523]I brought out the vibrators and just like Gina, she voiced hesitation until she felt one up against her clit. Then I thought I was going to have to pry it away from her. We played for a few hours and then drifted off to sleep.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Great Expecta; 1301822]I pulled the vibrators out and she loved them.[/QUOTE]
Expecta, one of the most interesting and funny part of your reports has been how you introduced the vibrator to a couple of your girls and won them over on the its merits. Great stuff! It sounds like you had a great time. Maybe you should change your name to Paladin.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1301847]Expecta, one of the most interesting and funny part of your reports has been how you introduced the vibrator to a couple of your girls and won them over on the its merits. Great stuff! It sounds like you had a great time. Maybe you should change your name to Paladin.[/QUOTE]And I thought I was the only one on here old enough to remember that "Have Gun Will Travel" reference! Still one of the best intro's ever!

It is amazing how many of the girls that have never really explored the merits of "electronic" stimulation become a big fan once they are introduced! I get great pleasure from the look in their eyes when the realization of how a well placed vibration tool makes my "male member" so much more entertaining.

Or how much more enthusiastic their oral technique becomes when their clit is being "massaged" at a very favorable frequency!

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder; 1301865]And I thought I was the only one on here old enough to remember that "Have Gun Will Travel" reference! Still one of the best intro's ever!

It is amazing how many of the girls that have never really explored the merits of "electronic" stimulation become a big fan once they are introduced! I get great pleasure from the look in their eyes when the realization of how a well placed vibration tool makes my "male member" so much more entertaining.

Or how much more enthusiastic their oral technique becomes when their clit is being "massaged" at a very favorable frequency![/QUOTE]I forgot my hitachi wand vibrator at home. You've seen them in bed / bath / beyond and such, the kind that has a large ball on a long wand / arm. Its designed for you massage your own shoulders and back. It will vibrate the teeth out of your head. On my last trip, I used it on about a dozen girls, and 5 of them became quite embued with the thing (the other girls think its a worthless gimmick). On my recent trip, the 5 I re-sessioned with were quite disappointed that I forgot it at home. Two of them brought a friend along, unannounced, to try the thing out.

Oh, stupid me.

Just don't make the mistake of giving one as a gift (especially a pocket rocket). W. R. Has made a habit of doing this leaving a swath of girls in Cebu in his wake who no longer want to get laid and if they are with a guy, need a vibrator to get off.

Infinity is another place for stunners, and the good old pump 1, which is just a pick up joint. Most of the stunners get bar fined pretty quick, so you do need to bar hop, you see some of the best girls with guests and you can go back early the next day.

Mc don you need to visit Cebu more, I have met guys who visit Cebu after AC and like what they see here, I find that the Cebu girls who go to AC are the ones who get banned from the bars and are not the number 1 girls they make too much money to do stupid stuff.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3; 1301916]Infinity is another place for stunners, and the good old pump 1, which is just a pick up joint. Most of the stunners get bar fined pretty quick, so you do need to bar hop, you see some of the best girls with guests and you can go back early the next day.

Mc don you need to visit Cebu more, I have met guys who visit Cebu after AC and like what they see here, I find that the Cebu girls who go to AC are the ones who get banned from the bars and are not the number 1 girls they make too much money to do stupid stuff.[/QUOTE]F3 I don't want to turn this into AC vs Cebu tread. You seem to take it personal everytime someone says something even a littlebit negative about cebu. Cebu is a great city for non pay for play, good if you can spend couple of weeks and pick up in the malls or the discos. I get around cebu 2-3 times a year (business related) and usually only spend 2-4 days at a time so I don't have the time to do all that. When I retire I will probably join you in Cebu as I see it as a great city to live and monger providing you have time at your disposal

I am not saying Cebu doesn't have stunners but IMO pay for play AC has the edge. Yes there are few bars in Cebu that have great looking girls but overall the p4p scene in cebu is small. Also the premium places come at a cost of 4 girl in AC for one from Arena. Sorry but I will look around, spend an extra half hour going through few bars and I will find equally good looking or maybe slightly worse BUT take the 4 in AC then the one from Arena. In AC there are bars like that too but they are far from fields or perimeter and like in cebu they cater for the asian not the westerners visitors. Thats why there is not much writen about them. There are places with naked pole dancing too, once again not much here on those places because most tourists never bother past the Mc Donalds on fields. AC also the most FHM girlfriend of the month and second class models that do pay for play. Its harder getting to them and they won't touch you in AC but with the right contacts you can get a a girl from a mag or tv show to accompany you on your beach vacation. I spent 3 nights in Boracay last month with one of them at a cost of 15000 peso plus expenses (total cost was around 20K or so).

[QUOTE=David_33;1301891]Just don't make the mistake of giving one as a gift (especially a pocket rocket). W. R. Has made a habit of doing this leaving a swath of girls in Cebu in his wake who no longer want to get laid and if they are with a guy, need a vibrator to get off.[/QUOTE]LOL, HOW TRUE is this. I know few girls that now only play with toys or carry them in their bags even when they are out with dates let alone clients. I have a bag of toys in phils but never give the gift that keeps giving LOL. Chocolates and **** wear is all they get from me

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1302051]F3 I don't want to turn this into AC vs Cebu tread. You seem to take it personal everytime someone says something even a littlebit negative about cebu.[/QUOTE]Nothing personal just my poor English due to my lack of education, I just wanted to give out a few places I have found 10's, I would stress that Cebu does need more time than AC. I never made it to AC as I never run out of hot girls who need money here. But I get plenty of guys who come from AC and catch up with me.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1301789]I never said AC does not have stunners. It does for sure, but they are rare and I have to admit that I have never bar fined an AC stunner. Which bars have stunners would make an excellent topic. I have found a couple 9*s in Golden Nile and Blue Nile Executive, Club Asia, and the big boys; Dolls House and Atlantis but for some reason or another I never could connect with them. I remember the first couple nights of my first trip to AC, when I hunted exclusively for the really hot girls; my results were not too good. Looking back, I am still not sure what the problem was, but when I recalibrated my target on the third night, I met with great success and that's the way it has been for me ever since. I now search AC almost exclusively for the nice looking, friendly, girl next door types and I am very satisfied with the results.[/QUOTE]Not a bad way to go I do that at times too, I just change and go for something else. Having said that you gave up after 2 nights where I assume you got some good sex anyway but failed to conect? Maybe you should try again keep in mind many of those girls are simple now that you have more AC experiance I am sure you conect much easyer.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1301789]When I included Cebu in my list of destinations with stunners, I was specifically thinking of the lineup at Arena. Last time I was there in March, I was very impressed with the number of girls and the respectable percentage of real lookers at that nightclub. I can't put my finger on what the difference was (probably ethnic) , but the Arena girls looked different than the girls at AF1 or Pegasus in Manila, but still very attractive.[/QUOTE]Yes cebuanas are different, darker, I guess depends on what you like. Problem with AC is that there are so many bars and quality is spread out from one place to another. Next time you are in AC you may want to check out Dunk Shot Music Lounge near Diamond Subdivision. It has what you like, Chinese type. White, tall, boobs.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1301789]I am going to be back in the big three: Macau, MNL, and BKK in less than 90 days. Unfortunately I will not be stopping by AC on this trip, but my itinerary includes Jakarta and Batam for the first time. It should be a real good trip. I will be spending 3 nights in Malate on the way in and 3 nights in Makati on the way out.[/QUOTE]Jakarta is FUN but make sure you research it. Read the forum. Many things to see there just don't get stuck in trafic. Spend the money stay near the action. You may want to move around like makati / malate if you are going to stay longer. Batam is fun too. Should be a top trip

[QUOTE=David_33;1301891]Just don't make the mistake of giving one as a gift (especially a pocket rocket). W. R. Has made a habit of doing this leaving a swath of girls in Cebu in his wake who no longer want to get laid and if they are with a guy, need a vibrator to get off.[/QUOTE]Who me? LOL.

The girls who get them are those that like to play and use when WR is not there. But I do like to see them play with it as well as this is a kind of 'normal' foreplay :) I even have given a strap on to my bisexual friends, the result of which I get even more fun times than others.

David. I will also make sure with the pocket rocket they are fully and freshly shaved. LOL

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1302054]LOL, . I have a bag of toys in phils but never give the gift that keeps giving LOL. Chocolates and **** wear is all they get from me[/QUOTE]All mine also used to get chocolates and bikinis and slutwear.

But on a recent trip to HK was around Temple street market area and the little two inch long rockets were selling for about US$5.

Stocked up on those and all of my last 6 ladies I met in Manila last trip all got one. And from their comments on YM, all are very hapy with them.

Except of course for one overly ambitious girl who ran the batteries down in 2 days and now wants me to bring batteries on next trip.

Guess the little barangay sari sari stalls don't come stocked with vibrator batts. LOL.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger;1302191]David. I will also make sure with the pocket rocket they are fully and freshly shaved. LOL[/QUOTE]How do you shave a pocket rocket? :)

Slim

[QUOTE=Nvslim;1302349]How do you shave a pocket rocket? :)Slim[/QUOTE]They = the girls.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1302246]all of my last 6 ladies I met in Manila last trip all got one.[/QUOTE]Not an intelligent move.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1301095]You are probably right. Any recommendations on where to go? Truth is, I don't have insurance or a ton of money, and I'm deathly afraid of doctors.[/QUOTE]Having seen photos of late stage cyphilis, I'd really really implore anyone with an STD to get it looked at by a doctor.

Self medicating may fix the infection, or it may just contribute to more antibiotic resistance in the bugs. Scary.

Doctors have the knowledge about current antibiotic resistance and can put you on a COURSE OF ANTIBIOTICS, which must be completed as prescribed.

The nitpicking about grammar is pretty childish, IMHO. Some people don't have the education or written skills to write at an advanced level, it is much better to have people who are generous of heart and of good humour than an english professor who tries to pick holes in others! I am happy with my written skills, and that's all I am concerned about!

Don't mean to preach, after all it is my first post on the AC section of this forum. I make my first trip to AC in Feb for 15 nights. I'll be staying at the Pacific Breeze, hope it's ok.

[QUOTE=VaderBule;1303347]I make my first trip to AC in Feb for 15 nights. I'll be staying at the Pacific Breeze, hope it's ok.[/QUOTE]I was there last year as well for 10 days, was a good choice. Perfect location and good value for money. Enjoy your stay.

I saw a doctor and got medicine. Thanks.

[QUOTE=David_33;1302459]Not an intelligent move.[/QUOTE]Send me your number so I can check with you the "intelligence "factor of all future decisions that I might be contemplating. LOL.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1303376]I saw a doctor and got medicine. Thanks.[/QUOTE]That was a wise move. I do not see the point to get medical counseil through the internet.

[QUOTE=Nordmann;1303355]I was there last year as well for 10 days, was a good choice. Perfect location and good value for money. Enjoy your stay.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback Nordmann.

I have emailed Annie a couple of times and was suprised at her English skills.

PB looks good, the jacuzzi should be umm useful. ; )

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1303376]I saw a doctor and got medicine. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Be a good idea to also get tested for Hep A, B & C, HIV and some other other bugs. I don't know of the period of time to wait before getting tested, sorry. Maybe a couple of months, maybe 6.

Hopefully there is a free clinic where you are living, or you are suitably financial.

Not trying to scare you, but for your own longevity you need to know.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1303429]Send me your number so I can check with you the "intelligence "factor of all future decisions that I might be contemplating. LOL.[/QUOTE]FF and WR are of the same mind. David and I discuss this mater over coffee at times and we always agree to disagree. And we both liked them shaved FF. Another intelligent discussion David and I have LOL :)

I will see you both this year hopefully, and I will likely be 'armed' with some pasalubongs. Well we must always accessorise as well gents

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1301789]You are right that Macau is not comparable to AC in price and I also think in terms of quality. The Chinese super models in the top Saunas go for $200 to $275 for ST and a healthy number of them are really beautiful. On another level, Filipinas FL's hanging out in Macau bars like MP3 want $100 or more for LT and most of them are not very attractive at all, IMHO.[/QUOTE]can't really agree on the Macao comment. I pulled a lot of stunners in macao. Firstly the girls in DD or Lions bar have a higher education. So since you can have an actuall conversion the GFE is much better. I socred big time serveral times when I had a sauna Girl to meet me at my hotel for 1000 HK.

Aslo a ST in a sauna in not comparedable to a ST in PI its just not the same.

With the Euro beeing so low I paid hughe amounts in Shanghai for FL Philipinas and viets compared to Macao.

Go to ladies night in the hard rock cafe on wednesdays. Free drinks for girls = tons of FL, semi pros with very good english skills.

[QUOTE=Osuul; 1305496]I pulled a lot of stunners in macao. Firstly the girls in DD or Lions bar have a higher education. So since you can have an actuall conversion the GFE is much better. I socred big time serveral times when I had a sauna Girl to meet me at my hotel for 1000 HK. Also a ST in a sauna in not comparedable to a ST in PI its just not the same.

Go to ladies night in the hard rock cafe on wednesdays. Free drinks for girls = tons of FL, semi pros with very good english skills.[/QUOTE]Osuul, I posted my response in the Macau thread since the discussion is more about Filipinas in Macau than AC. See you there.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1298402]You are right, it is one of the better afternoon bars, but I also liked making it my nightcap bar as I was leaving Fields and heading back to my hotel. One night my girl and I met a really pretty cherry girl there. She said she was 21. I could not believe somebody hadn't taped her yet. She was beautiful. I bought a round of Tequila shots and the three of us played pool.[/QUOTE]I just returned from AC. Regarding cherry girls (virgins) , one of the girls I met said there were 4 or 5 cherry girls working in the bar she worked in. These girls will be happy to provide BJ's, but will not do FS unless you pay between 75000 to 100000 pesos (that's not a typo: between seventy five to one hundred thousand pesos). Happily we're all different, but I would not pay that kind of money for the pleasure of fucking a virgin, regardless of how beautiful she might be.

[QUOTE=Harry Dude;1306107]Happily we're all different, but I would not pay that kind of money for the pleasure of fucking a virgin, regardless of how beautiful she might be.[/QUOTE]Personally, I don't think fucking a virgin is very pleasurable. Some guys must be really into it or else there would not be such a premium for the cherry. I think it is mainly a bucket list item for guys who have never had a virgin before and want to experience what it is like and for a few guys that get off on busting the hymen. As far as I am concerned; been there, done that, and no thank you even if the cost was the same as a regular girl. I would rather be the 4th, 5th or 20th guy to have her after she has been broken in properly and is now looking to have a good time. This particular cherry girl I played pool with was really pretty. I am definitely going to stop by Pony Tails next time I am in town and see if she is still around and has hopefully been penetrated. I would love to spend some time with her if she is ready for me.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1306142]Personally, I don't think fucking a virgin is very pleasurable. Some guys must be really into it or else there would not be such a premium for the cherry. I think it is mainly a bucket list item for guys who have never had a virgin before and want to experience what it is like and for a few guys that get off on busting the hymen. As far as I am concerned; been there, done that, and no thank you even if the cost was the same as a regular girl. I would rather be the 4th, 5th or 20th guy to have her after she has been broken in properly and is now looking to have a good time. This particular cherry girl I played pool with was really pretty. I am definitely going to stop by Pony Tails next time I am in town and see if she is still around and has hopefully been penetrated. I would love to spend some time with her if she is ready for me.[/QUOTE]I completely agree, Natty. I would rather be the 50th guy in fact.

When I heard about this pricing for cherry girls, I was immediately reminded of the highly entertaining book "Memoirs of a Geisha", where geishas would sell their virginity to their patrons at insane prices.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1302074]Next time you are in AC you may want to check out Dunk Shot Music Lounge near Diamond Subdivision. It has what you like, Chinese type. White, tall, boobs.[/QUOTE]Hi McDon,

Please tell me more about the price for ladies and gentleman drinks as well as long term take out at the Dunk Shot.

I googled Dunk Shot and one source says its a smokey karaoke bar with lots of lovely ladies and rooms for private sessions.

Since I'm more interested in take out can you tell me if it's possible and how to go about it.

Thanks in advance for your help!

LN

[QUOTE=Harry Dude;1306107]I just returned from AC. Regarding cherry girls (virgins) , one of the girls I met said there were 4 or 5 cherry girls working in the bar she worked in. These girls will be happy to provide BJ's, but will not do FS unless you pay between 75000 to 100000 pesos (that's not a typo: between seventy five to one hundred thousand pesos). Happily we're all different, but I would not pay that kind of money for the pleasure of fucking a virgin, regardless of how beautiful she might be.[/QUOTE]1. I can remember one of my trips. Probably 6 or 7 years ago. Playing pool with a Drop Dead Gorgeous Cherry girl. And asked her the same thing. The answer was 100, 000 pesos. I told her to let me know when she was no longer a cherry girl. I ran into her the next year and she was still cherry. So nobody ante'd up at that point.

2. About the same trip, I bf'd from one of the Fields bars, a real shy girl apparently fresh from the province the week before with only one bf to her name. When we hit the sack and in process. It was obvious that she lacked experience. I did ask her to let me drive. Afterwards, in chatting, I asked her about the number of times she had boom2. She had her boyfriend (1) , her 1rst barfine (2) and whatever little experience I could give her. (3) (4) (5). Fast forward a few years and I see her in the same bar (or I should say she spotted me) and we take off. A few years experience made a difference and for a more rewarding session. A few years and a few miles and a few pounds, just did not make it repeatable after that.

3. A couple of years ago, found a cute "cherry" door girl. Still had a "V" on her card but had lost her virginity to a Japanese tourist and was about 3 months pregnant. Now that was a cherry girl experience I enjoyed. Sweet young lady whom I tried to find the next trip but may have retired (with child)

It seemed to me like that the 75 to 100K pisos was something that the Japanese and possibly the Koreans like to spend their money on. To each his own. I would rather see the young ladies that have some previous experience.

My 1 piso (and 1 more post)

[QUOTE=Capt Munch; 1306348]1. I can remember one of my trips. Probably 6 or 7 years ago. Playing pool with a Drop Dead Gorgeous Cherry girl. And asked her the same thing. The answer was 100, 000 pesos. I told her to let me know when she was no longer a cherry girl. I ran into her the next year and she was still cherry. So nobody ante'd up at that point.

It seemed to me like that the 75 to 100K pisos was something that the Japanese and possibly the Koreans like to spend their money on. To each his own. I would rather see the young ladies that have some previous experience.

My 1 piso (and 1 more post) [/QUOTE]I know a mamasan in China who can supply you with a real Cherry. 4000 UD but she has a number of er."copies". She says her girls average about 3 suckers per cherry. But she assures me if I want one, it will be "the real thing".

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;1306405]I know a mamasan in China who can supply you with a real Cherry. 4000 UD but she has a number of er."copies". She says her girls average about 3 suckers per cherry. But she assures me if I want one, it will be "the real thing".[/QUOTE]Personally I'd prefer some experience.

I'd imagine expecting a GFE from a young girl who is coping with the emotions of first sex along with the awkwardness of breaking in a new pussy would be asking a bit much.

Pretty hard to imagine a comfortable loving feeling coming out of that!

I went to an Indonesian brothel in the mid 80s (area we called Jungle Bars, as opposed to the higher standard area of Dolly Bars) in either Jakarta or Suribuya-can't remember which. A very young girl was sent into the room and she was terrified, nothing happened. I got my money back. I have no reason to think she was under 18, and I wouldn't have touched her if she was, but she certainly was NOT up for it!

Munch, tried to PM you, but you're not a paid member. Pay up stud, its only 20 clams.

Ave mongers,

I have some pics to share in the beautiful AC.

Rocco

[QUOTE=ProfetaPk; 1306457]Ave mongers,

I have some pics to share in the beautiful AC.

Rocco[/QUOTE]Rocco, you might want to redact the girl's faces (and tattoos or identifying jewelry) next time. I tried to PM you, but you are not a paid member yet? Pay up the $20.

Nice pics.

[QUOTE=ProfetaPk; 1306457]Ave mongers,

I have some pics to share in the beautiful AC.

Rocco[/QUOTE]As well as WCs suggestion to cover the girl's faces, you might also have a bit more discretion about showing the faces of other guys in the bar.

Remember some travellers in AC don't always tell those at home where they are holidaying, and there are some really nasty people around who would not hesitate to report a mate if they get the opportunity.

Who knows who is seeing these pics and I sure as hell wouldn't want to be shown as a bystander in one of your pics.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1306717]Remember some travellers in AC don't always tell those at home where they are holidaying, and there are some really nasty people around who would not hesitate to report a mate if they get the opportunity.

Who knows who is seeing these pics and I sure as hell wouldn't want to be shown as a bystander in one of your pics.[/QUOTE]I agree with WC1 and RK as this happened to a friend though not in AC who was on a golf holiday. Co worker saw this somewhere and casued a lot of issues back home (he was single but was used in his work place)

This is a 'newbie' mistake but I would also agree pay the $20 please

Being in AC now, full swing of rainy season. Today it was raining almost the entire day with only short dry moments.

Peso pretty strong now, the USD gives you 41. 7ps only.

Otherwise business as usual, my favorite for the afternoon session is still Pony Tails, very good selection there at cheap barfines with normal and spotlight girls at 1500 and 1800ps respectively. Found a nice 22y / o "hairy wonder" yesterday, hehe, I'm loving it! Tight pussy, great boobs, a bit on the chubby side what I actually don't dislike, full GFE. Three great bangs from 10pm until 11am next, no attempts of being a runner at all.

Too bad that we have picture size restrictions here, the original picture taken with Nikon D800, 36 Mpix, so terrific sharp, nice to zoom in, yummy!

Anyone around for a cold SMB? PM me.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1306745]I agree with WC1 and RK as this happened to a friend though not in AC who was on a golf holiday. Co worker saw this somewhere and casued a lot of issues back home (he was single but was used in his work place)

This is a 'newbie' mistake but I would also agree pay the $20 please[/QUOTE]Many years ago (in the 80s) when I was in the Navy, we had a mess party in a bar in Ermita in Manilla.

The door prize was a BJ on the stage.

The bloke who won was married, and balked at partaking. His boss, a senior NCO, had the BJ prize.

As we were pretty drunk, there was photos taken.

On the cruise home, some frantic requests were made and all film (remember film? LOL) was surrendered for the sake of his marriage. If he had not been popular, it is possible that the request might not have been honoured, but no problem. His wife never found out as far as I know! The film cartridges probably got thrown over the side. To quote Ellen Ripley "It's the only way to be sure".

That's what editing software is for brother. Anyway, hi-res photos like that are only really useful for printing or special situations.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1306889]That's what editing software is for brother. Anyway, hi-res photos like that are only really useful for printing or special situations.[/QUOTE]

True, plus the Nikon D800 should have a way to save a jpeg of much smaller size when you take the photo.

Irfanview (free download) does batch resizing/rotation etc and is one option..

I use Gimp on Linux.

Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1306866]Too bad that we have picture size restrictions here, the original picture taken with Nikon D800, 36 Mpix, so terrific sharp, nice to zoom in, yummy!

Cheers![/QUOTE]Vader and RickRock are right. If you are using a powerful camera (I do) , you should already be familiar with photo-editing software. Most bbs sights require you to shrink your pics before uploading them. Social media sites, like Friendster, FB, etc. Will accept your larger-sized file when you upload it, but they shrink it before placing it on your page, then they discard the large original. Two freebies you can download:

1. Irfanview (google it, it has its own website). Also download (besides the program) the 'Plug-ins'. Under the File drop-down menu, get used to the "Batch Conversion / Rename" option. This will take your entire folder of large-sized picture files and reduce them to any size you want. Directions, a primer for all:

'a') make sure your image files are saved in a folder, and make sure you have a separate destination folder where you want the smaller files to be saved;

'be') In Irfanview, drop-down File menu, then Batch Conversion / Rename;

'see') In the new dialogue box, choose: Batch Conversion, Output Format = JPG;

'd') top-right box, browse and find your saved picture folder, select your images (one or many / all) , and click ADD so they show up in the bottom-right box, make sure you place these in your destination folder;

'e') ADVANCED Tab (you will get a new dialogue box) , check the box RESIZE, then set the Width and Height boxes to 640 pixels, then check the box Preserve Aspect Ratio, then click OK to return to the previous Batch Conversion dialogue box;

'f') Click Start Batch, and let it run.

Now all the files in your destination folder will be shrunk to a size you can upload here. If this seems complicated, you need only do it once. Then the software remembers these preferences for the next time. Irfanview has also some decent Photo-shop editing tools, and its free. Irfanview won't blur faces, but it will allow you to cut out a section of face (or tattoo) to make that area black. Irfanview also allows you to watermark, or place text on the picture. Some of the unusual pix I've posted in the past that have a blue or gold hue to them were done with a few clicks in Irfanview (one was recent, with the dildo and hitachi vibrator).

2. PhotoScape. I don't think it resizes in a batch format (lots of pics at once) , but it will allow you to resize any single pic, and its free, and has some nice photo-editing tools, like facial blur. It also allows watermarking text on the picture (including making the text lighter or darker).

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Not-so-free is PhotoShop (now called Creative Suite I think). It does just about anything you can think of to do, including editing the pics and batch rename / resize.

Thanks guys, actually I know how to resize a photo. I guess I had a bit too much beer yesterday, just simply forgot the attachement.

Enjoy AC!

[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1307094]Thanks guys, actually I know how to resize a photo. I guess I had a bit too much beer yesterday, just simply forgot the attachement.

Enjoy AC![/QUOTE]Anytime you attach a pic, your apology is accepted. More san migs for Ekspat!

[QUOTE=Harry Dude;1306107]I just returned from AC. Regarding cherry girls (virgins) , one of the girls I met said there were 4 or 5 cherry girls working in the bar she worked in. These girls will be happy to provide BJ's, but will not do FS unless you pay between 75000 to 100000 pesos (that's not a typo: between seventy five to one hundred thousand pesos). Happily we're all different, but I would not pay that kind of money for the pleasure of fucking a virgin, regardless of how beautiful she might be.[/QUOTE]Once a cherry works in one of the regular bars, the price is marked up: mamasan and friends tell her to ask for 100. 000 PS. Or as alternative squeeze out double lady drinks from the customer: she can make a lot of money out of thet and can go back 1 or 2 years later and marry her waiting BF as cherry in the province.

Santos bars are for many the stepstone. Fresh girls are not that "in the know" I got 1 time a cherry from there for 15. 000. Another time I met a bar girl in the afternoon. She brought a friend along who just arrived and had not yet a job. When the bar girl went to her work, she stay with me- and once in the sack found out she was a cherry. She wanted to work but was afraid as cherry she would not get any customer. She didn't tell her friend also. Really well protected back home. Not allowed to go out. But one day run off to her friend in AC to make big money. At the end she was thankful that I popped her.

But well. Those are rare cases.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1306745]I agree with WC1 and RK as this happened to a friend though not in AC who was on a golf holiday. Co worker saw this somewhere and casued a lot of issues back home (he was single but was used in his work place)

This is a 'newbie' mistake but I would also agree pay the $20 please[/QUOTE]WR, WC1 and RK, you guys do YOUR THING and let the other BM's do theirs. Frankly 95% of the pics these guys (WC, RK, WR) put forth are predictable and boring, my opinion,"but whatever floats your boat" have a ball, enjoy yourselves. The pics ProfetaPK posted are of a bargirl IN THE bar, blur her face AND the pic is worthless. There are zillions of pics of bars and bargirls all over the net. The pic where a few customers faces are in view are so small it's ridiculous to even mention it.

We're all big boys here so YOU do your thing (WC1, RK, WR) and let the others post the kind of pics that they like w / out the browbeating. If the bar allows pics then take them, sure blur out any easily recognizable faces, but blurring out small background faces is not necessary unless the guy in the background ask you to censor. W / the ladies, if you ask before hand some ladies will agree to photos w / no restrictions. Every freaking pic does not have to be censored. There are beautiful faces, eyes, smiles and lips all over the net w / no consequences to anyone except the for viewer. The viewer (us) get to actually be in the moment of the action, to see the beautiful ladies of the world. So if you want to censor everything w / out question fine do it. But please don't push this boring style on everyone else.

I know these guys can argue a point to death and they are welcome to do it. I said my piece. And one last thing. This is the AC section, where are the current post and tr's on AC, or do I have to go elsewhere to find out what is happening NOW in AC?

[QUOTE=Socker;1307604]WR, WC1 and RK, you guys do YOUR THING and let the other BM's do theirs. Frankly 95% of the pics these guys (WC, RK, WR) put forth are predictable and boring, my opinion,"but whatever floats your boat" have a ball, enjoy yourselves.[/QUOTE]Noted sir. Also, when someone such as myself has posted as many pictures as I have (or, say AR / CS) , eventually the style may become boring. That won't change the pics, or style (ala Kaintuck in the Thai forum).

[QUOTE=Socker;1307604]The pic where a few customers faces are in view are so small it's ridiculous to even mention it.[/QUOTE]Respectfully disagree. Please see the DragonSlayer forum / Mindanao thread. Recently I posted about Butuan, including discussion and pics of local transportation. Almost all local transport in that town is by orange trykes (difficult to find a taxi). I posted at least one pic taken from inside at tryke, showing the large number of trykes on the road in front of me. In the pic are two boys, crossing the street. They are small in the pic, but they are innocents. They might be minors. Their faces (or other identifiable features) must be hidden. The last thing we want is for some person (or their parent) to hear: "Hey Robert. You (or your son) are posted on a sex site!"

[QUOTE=Socker;1307604]We're all big boys here so YOU do your thing (WC1, RK, WR) and let the others post the kind of pics that they like w / out the browbeating. If the bar allows pics then take them, sure blur out any easily recognizable faces, but blurring out small background faces is not necessary unless the guy in the background ask you to censor. W / the ladies, if you ask before hand some ladies will agree to photos w / no restrictions. Every freaking pic does not have to be censored. There are beautiful faces, eyes, smiles and lips all over the net w / no consequences to anyone except the for viewer. The viewer (us) get to actually be in the moment of the action, to see the beautiful ladies of the world. So if you want to censor everything w / out question fine do it. But please don't push this boring style on everyone else.[/QUOTE]Again, respectfully disagree. Every picture with a person who did not agree to be photo'd and posted online must be censored (at least on a sex site). When I post a girl online, even with her face blurred, she's given permission for me to do so (blur or no blur). The photo previously posted with the white guys in the bar, faces shown, can be dangerous. Several of us on this very board have been, in the past, blackmailed (or attempted) from other ISG members. Its of no concern to us that a bargirl posts a pic of herself in her bar, with white guy's faces showing, on her FB. But if someone here lifts / copies it and pastes it here (or he takes it himself in the bar and posts it here) , unedited, then that's a problem, and the board Administrator must deal with it and possibly remove it.

[QUOTE=Socker;1307604]I know these guys can argue a point to death and they are welcome to do it. I said my piece. And one last thing. This is the AC section, where are the current post and tr's on AC, or do I have to go elsewhere to find out what is happening NOW in AC?[/QUOTE]When I'm ready to post some AC pics soon, I'll post the field reports also.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1307752]Noted sir. Also, when someone such as myself has posted as many pictures as I have (or, say AR / CS) , eventually the style may become boring. That won't change the pics, or style (ala Kaintuck in the Thai forum).

Respectfully disagree. Please see the DragonSlayer forum / Mindanao thread. Recently I posted about Butuan, including discussion and pics of local transportation. Almost all local transport in that town is by orange trykes (difficult to find a taxi). I posted at least one pic taken from inside at tryke, showing the large number of trykes on the road in front of me. In the pic are two boys, crossing the street. They are small in the pic, but they are innocents. They might be minors. Their faces (or other identifiable features) must be hidden. The last thing we want is for some person (or their parent) to hear: "Hey Robert. You (or your son) are posted on a sex site!"

Again, respectfully disagree. Every picture with a person who did not agree to be photo'd and posted online must be censored (at least on a sex site). When I post a girl online, even with her face blurred, she's given permission for me to do so (blur or no blur). The photo previously posted with the white guys in the bar, faces shown, can be dangerous. Several of us on this very board have been, in the past, blackmailed (or attempted) from other ISG members. Its of no concern to us that a bargirl posts a pic of herself in her bar, with white guy's faces showing, on her FB. But if someone here lifts / copies it and pastes it here (or he takes it himself in the bar and posts it here) , unedited, then that's a problem, and the board Administrator must deal with it and possibly remove it.

When I'm ready to post some AC pics soon, I'll post the field reports also.[/QUOTE]I knew you would argue every point and that's fine. Like I said, whatever floats your boat. I always like interacting w / you and you have gotten better over the last year w / classier pics. It would be nice if you changed it up once in a while but I won't hold my breath for that to happen. I am also starting to realize that it is different when you live there and see these filipinos everyday. So knock yourself out and post away. Same w / your buddies. SOS everyday day is fine w / me. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Socker; 1307604]WR, WC1 and RK, you guys do YOUR THING and let the other BM's do theirs. Frankly 95% of the pics these guys (WC, RK, WR) put forth are predictable and boring, my opinion,"but whatever floats your boat" have a ball, enjoy yourselves. The pics ProfetaPK posted are of a bargirl IN THE bar, blur her face AND the pic is worthless. There are zillions of pics of bars and bargirls all over the net. The pic where a few customers faces are in view are so small it's ridiculous to even mention it.

We're all big boys here so YOU do your thing (WC1, RK, WR) and let the others post the kind of pics that they like w / out the browbeating. If the bar allows pics then take them, sure blur out any easily recognizable faces, but blurring out small background faces is not necessary unless the guy in the background ask you to censor. W / the ladies, if you ask before hand some ladies will agree to photos w / no restrictions. Every freaking pic does not have to be censored. There are beautiful faces, eyes, smiles and lips all over the net w / no consequences to anyone except the for viewer. The viewer (us) get to actually be in the moment of the action, to see the beautiful ladies of the world. So if you want to censor everything w / out question fine do it. But please don't push this boring style on everyone else.

I know these guys can argue a point to death and they are welcome to do it. I said my piece. And one last thing. This is the AC section, where are the current post and tr's on AC, or do I have to go elsewhere to find out what is happening NOW in AC?[/QUOTE]Gents.

This is from a guy who has less than 150 posts, see his track record. Barely posts a photo and when I looked back no faces either and some were clearly taken from other web sites IMHO. He spoke about not showing dicks and then does exactly that LOL.

And he tends to be an a*hole as complain too much in the photo gallery about no faces yet so far does not do what he preaches.

Socker is another of the one handed typists who can't find many girls so lives his life throught others and wishes he could pull the girls.

Socker, when you post pictures to support your views fine, but you don't and please don't tell guys to stop showing their dicks in photos when you clearlly like doing it LOL

Earn respect on the board or better still go back to Colombia (where I think that board is fully moderated by Jackson. And now we can see why based on your FR) and try to do as you preach. Rather than preach to others what you don't do yourself

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1307878]Gents.

This is from a guy who has less than 150 posts, see his track record. Barely posts a photo and when I looked back no faces either and some were clearly taken from other web sites IMHO. He spoke about not showing dicks and then does exactly that LOL.

And he tends to be an a*hole as complain too much in the photo gallery about no faces yet so far does not do what he preaches.

Socker is another of the one handed typists who can't find many girls so lives his life throught others and wishes he could pull the girls.

Socker, when you post pictures to support your views fine, but you don't and please don't tell guys to stop showing their dicks in photos when you clearlly like doing it LOL

Earn respect on the board or better still go back to Colombia (where I think that board is fully moderated by Jackson. And now we can see why based on your FR) and try to do as you preach. Rather than preach to others what you don't do yourself[/QUOTE]Well well, I got a rise out of WR, haha. I would match my pics against yours any day. You are more prolific just like McDonalds is at making hamburgers. My burgers are for connoisseurs who appreciate some sensuality and beauty in their burger, haha, some freaking EXCITMENT!

All I said is why not change the formula around once in a while. That's all. I also said it was MY OPINION (about your one demensional boring pics) and I have a right to voice it HERE. Call it whatever you want, complaining or preaching, your opinion is as good as your taste in pics. I praise quality and I give constructive criticism so that the board might be more entertaining and exciting. If you think your pics are exciting, and the best they can be, than do your thing, but I think they're not.

Take a look at post 4720 in The PG. WR's 10 pics of the backs of 2 chicks, the back of their heads, and their backs. After the viewer looks at pic 1 & 2 why would he continue looking at the rest, there all the same, pics of the backs of 2 women. WR, WTF is that? That's your idea of contributing to the picture gallery, I wouldn't show those boring ass pics to a blind man. In my library those get deleted, job one. Compare your pics to the others pics (in the gallery) and you are low man on the totem pole, WAY LOW, hahahaha

Pretty much everything ELSE you have to say about me is fabricated. Complete Bullshit. I suggest YOU PROVE (your barely understandable diatribe) about all my paranoias and limitations. You are really turning out to be a little baby. I will be waiting for your next CLASSIC SET OF BIG MACS, can't wait to check them out. Haha, you twit!

[QUOTE=Socker;1307757]I knew you would argue every point and that's fine.[/QUOTE]Yes, but respectfully.

[QUOTE=Socker;1307757]Take a look at post 4720 in The PG. WR's 10 pics of the backs of 2 chicks, the back of their heads, and their backs. After the viewer looks at pic 1 & 2 why would he continue looking at the rest, there all the same, pics of the backs of 2 women. WR, WTF is that? That's your idea of contributing to the picture gallery, I wouldn't show those boring ass pics to a blind man. In my library those get deleted, job one.[/QUOTE]I look at all of them, from everyone. I rarely skip a pic; I can decide later if its worthless to me. I never delete a pic. Keep posting WR.

[QUOTE=Socker;1307757]all my paranoias and limitations. Haha, you twit![/QUOTE]Hey. I had to look up in the dictionary some of those words. I didn't know I was paranoid until I read the definition. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean the CIA isn't trying to get me.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1308134]Yes, but respectfully.

I look at all of them, from everyone. I rarely skip a pic; I can decide later if its worthless to me. I never delete a pic. Keep posting WR.

Hey. I had to look up in the dictionary some of those words. I didn't know I was paranoid until I read the definition. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean the CIA isn't trying to get me.[/QUOTE]Ohh thank goodness. They're after you now. I can sleep.

[QUOTE=Botaki6; 1307541]Once a cherry works in one of the regular bars, the price is marked up: mamasan and friends tell her to ask for 100. 000 PS. Or as alternative squeeze out double lady drinks from the customer: she can make a lot of money out of thet and can go back 1 or 2 years later and marry her waiting BF as cherry in the province.

Santos bars are for many the stepstone. Fresh girls are not that "in the know" I got 1 time a cherry from there for 15. 000. Another time I met a bar girl in the afternoon. She brought a friend along who just arrived and had not yet a job. When the bar girl went to her work, she stay with me- and once in the sack found out she was a cherry. She wanted to work but was afraid as cherry she would not get any customer. She didn't tell her friend also. Really well protected back home. Not allowed to go out. But one day run off to her friend in AC to make big money. At the end she was thankful that I popped her.

But well. Those are rare cases.[/QUOTE]Very few are " Cherry " girls when they arrive in AC. Most had one BF and had " young Sex " in the sense that both girl and the boy do not know really what they did. Hymen is generally broken but may not be completely broken.

Mamasans, Bar owners do not promise anything when it comes to " Cherry Buying ". There is no certificate of authenticity from Doctor. It is more like buyers beware. Negotiations take place directly between the girl and you. Sometimes girls are barfined only to come back and tell the bar she is not a cherry anymore. In some cases girls tell the guy buying "cherry " wants the agreed amount deposited in the bar just because she does not want the guy to skip town after the deed. No complaints are entertained by the bar or no refunds given even if the guy finds out in some way the girl is not a virgin.

For many girls " Cherry " status is one way to escape sex. They want to earn money but do not want to have sex for money or has a bf they are in love with. Only good looking girls get away with this.

It is hard to say who is real virgin and who is not. I have barfined some virgins and experience ranges from full sex to just kissing and sucking on boobs. I barfine them fully knowing there may not be any sex. I like to take them dancing.

Among those who had sex some never objected. Others only did it after asking me not to tell anybody in their bar.

Some girls did everything except allow penetration although they were dripping wet and horny. I guess those girls must be real virgins not wanting to loose big payday.

I have had few real virgins through dating sites. Some I have paid 15, 000 pesos. When I chat it is already agreed. Couple of them did not want anything but I did take care of them monetarily and took care of their schooling etc.

[QUOTE=Socker;1308010]My burgers are for connoisseurs who appreciate some sensuality and beauty in their burger,[/QUOTE]Your burgers. I see. Muhahaha, nice to get up after an exciting bumbum-night in AC with a pretty 19y / o and reading such amazing contributions!

Keep going, buddy, maybe one day in the future you'll make it to AC!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1308231]. .

Some girls did everything except allow penetration although they were dripping wet and horny. I guess those girls must be real virgins not wanting to loose big payday.

I have had few real virgins through dating sites. Some I have paid 15, 000 pesos. When I chat it is already agreed. Couple of them did not want anything but I did take care of them monetarily and took care of their schooling etc.[/QUOTE]For newbies and others: just remember that most filipinas think that you cannot get pregnant if you are a virgin taking it for the first time.

A majority of single mothers (data drawn from a barangay midwife / health official) have had one pop only from an inexperienced teen pinoy and a baby resulted.

Sometimes the taking of the virginity overrides the possibility that she can get pregnant with her very first experience.

Just saying.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1308231].

Mamasans, Bar owners do not promise anything when it comes to " Cherry Buying ". There is no certificate of authenticity from Doctor. It is more like buyers beware.[/QUOTE]I'm sure there are lots of guys who payed a premium thinking they got a virgin when they actually didn't. If you got a bigger cock than the average pinoy and you are her first non-pinoy then there is a good chance she will bleed. That doesn't mean she is a virgin, however.

If I were to lay out 100k pesos to fuck a virgin, I would get two doctors to inspect the pussy before paying. I don't know why guys lay out this kind of cash without doing any due diligence before hand.

I just had another chat with my friendly barangay health officer.

She said that.

*virgins don't know about condoms.

*pinoys never want to use condoms.

*most girls don't know about safe sex times.

*filipinas are VERY fertile. Not much difficulty for them to conceive at any age.

RESULT: Experimental sex almost always ends in pregnancy. Those of you chasing virgin pussy who will not be using protection or who are not vasectomized should also remember about the add-on consequences of fucking a virgin.

I am not being an asshole by saying this, nor am I moralising. Just saying that there are other things to consider than just popping a cherry

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1308302]For newbies and others: just remember that most filipinas think that you cannot get pregnant if you are a virgin taking it for the first time.

A majority of single mothers (data drawn from a barangay midwife / health official) have had one pop only from an inexperienced teen pinoy and a baby resulted.

Sometimes the taking of the virginity overrides the possibility that she can get pregnant with her very first experience.

Just saying.[/QUOTE]Like many guys (all guys here?) I chat to one or two ladies who say they got pregnant because the local confident lad managed to get her panties down. And then 3-5 months later she realises she's pregnent. So then she goes to find the boy to tell him.

In ALL cases except ONE (over past 15 years chatting) she says " HE ran away". I ask did he run fast? She invariably says " his phone was off, his parents and friends didn't know where he was and he didn't reply to her emails ". Sad but consistently true.

Filipino boys. The worlds most irresponsible ethnic group.

Have Socker and Tally Wacker lost their touch in posting pictures ("The Philippines" photo area), or is there an approval time before they are viewable?

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1308356]Those of you chasing virgin pussy who will not be using protection or who are not vasectomized should also remember about the add-on consequences of fucking a virgin.[/QUOTE]Perhaps the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy with a bar girl won't dawn on the bloke, he'll be home before the girl knows she's pregnant.

And a lot wouldn't care if they knew, I suspect!

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1308356]*filipinas are VERY fertile. Not much difficulty for them to conceive at any age.

RESULT: Experimental sex almost always ends in pregnancy.[/QUOTE]This is only true when they are inseminated by Filipinos. Pinoy sperm is much more potent than poriner sperm. Most Filipinas are impregnated by their Filipino boyfriends even when they have sex with poriners on the side for money.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1308337]I'm sure there are lots of guys who payed a premium thinking they got a virgin when they actually didn't. If you got a bigger cock than the average pinoy and you are her first non-pinoy then there is a good chance she will bleed. That doesn't mean she is a virgin, however.[/QUOTE]I have had few young girls in AC bleed. Sometimes it is because it is the end of their period. Other times whoever had their cherry did not open it up fully. Remember their pussies are small and if they are young and not had many dicks in their pussy tend to bleed.

I believe Koreans and Japanese are buying " Cherries " according to my friend mamasan who works in Agasya. Ofcourse Agasya tend to cater to them only. They may not open the pussy fully.

Last time I came to Angeles was in 2008, about 4 years ago. I am coming again in August. Can someone update me with the latest prices for the girls at the various places. I know I could read the thread but was hoping someone could save me the time. There are 10, 602 posts for Angeles! Cheers.

[QUOTE=BigSmile;1308530]Last time I came to Angeles was in 2008, about 4 years ago. I am coming again in August. Can someone update me with the latest prices for the girls at the various places. I know I could read the thread but was hoping someone could save me the time. There are 10, 602 posts for Angeles! Cheers.[/QUOTE]BS, not to be smug, but you've been on the forum for about 5 years, and have 30 posts. I took more time to go back and read your posts (mostly from Thailand and Brazil) than you are wanting to spend RTTF. Almost all of your posts are not informative, in fact in most of them you ask questions, not wanting to RTTF for that country. The following is indicative:

[I]Just found out that Cat 2 typhoon Fengshen passed through Philippines over the weekend. On wunderground it shows the track as being close to Boracay and going through Manila, and Angles City. All my favorite places. Any reports? Is AC still standing? Everyone OK? Girls still fucking? [/I]. From AC page 550!

Mostly you ask questions, and don't post Field Reports. Please tell us of your experience (in detail) in Brazil, Thailand, and AC. Hotel reviews, girl pics and performance reviews, bar reviews, restaurant reviews, where you play golf (and the cost). Even as an experienced hand, you appear to be a newb. Spend 1-2 hours reading backwards the last 15-20 or so pages, you will see we've been posting prices of various bars (one gent has an excellent report on not only bar pricing, but ambiance, at 15 bars). Its not fair to not post detailed reports, then ask questions of the experienced hands. If you had just read to pages 2, 6, and 11 of the AC thread, you would see current Field's pricing (it took me under 20 minutes total to read back thru your posts and the last 15 pages of posts here). If you don't have time for us, do we have time for you?

[QUOTE=BigSmile;1308530]I know I could read the thread but was hoping someone could save me the time.[/QUOTE]As someone put it, why should anyone here spend / waste HIS time to save YOURS? Is there any rational in such a demand?

[QUOTE=BigSmile;1308530]There are 10, 602 posts for Angeles! Cheers.[/QUOTE]It's a lot, isn't it? That means that at least 2000 people (average 5 times each) spent their time in writing something, adding a contribution. Amazing. Isn't it? And you? Anything? Not even where you bought Penthouse in Angeles to enjoy yourself back in 2008 (as we assume that was it!).

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1308543](it took me under 20 minutes total to read back thru your posts and the last 15 pages of posts here). If you don't have time for us, do we have time for you?[/QUOTE]Sorry guys. I guess this post says a lot about both of us. And yes by your standards I am a newbie which is why I was hoping to learn from your experience. It does seem odd that someone would spend 20 mins doing research in order to shoot me down in flames when it would take only 1 min to answer the question.

Wanting to learn from experiences of others but unwilling to read back as suggested. Are you serious? Get real! Every time I go somewhere I read back to the previous year at least.

I'm not going to post a criticism of this guy only though. I thought Atlantis was one of the best places I dropped into. Quite high bar fines but good line up. Some really large titted girls there indeed!

[QUOTE=BigSmile;1308568]Sorry guys. I guess this post says a lot about both of us. And yes by your standards I am a newbie which is why I was hoping to learn from your experience. It does seem odd that someone would spend 20 mins doing research in order to shoot me down in flames when it would take only 1 min to answer the question.[/QUOTE]Why odd?

You are clearly lazy with no intention if spending a minute RTFF and clearly (based on our RTFF) of posting any information of use to this thread / board.

RTFF or go elsewhere would be my suggestion.

This is not flaming, this is common sense advice based on what I and others do. An example for you of how it should be done. Loso69 a few years ago PM / emailed me with his RTFF summary of Abu Dhabi. He had read back, summarised key points about bars etc and asked my opinion. It would have taken him 1-2 hrs to read and summarise his thoughts.

So you should do the same and as WC1 said, please add all the FRs and pics from your travels so you can earn the respect of others here

[QUOTE=BigSmile;1308568]It does seem odd that someone would spend 20 mins doing research in order to shoot me down in flames when it would take only 1 min to answer the question.[/QUOTE]Not odd at all. The time spent (on purpose) was to show you we expect you to spend at least a few hours researching, then going there and posting your significant experiences, before asking questions on the open board. Feel free to PM some of us. What your post and previous background said, was,"Hey, I'm not quite a newb. Help me out here. Please ignore the fact that I've been around for years, only taking information, not giving back."

[QUOTE=BigSmile;1308568]Sorry guys. I guess this post says a lot about both of us. And yes by your standards I am a newbie which is why I was hoping to learn from your experience. It does seem odd that someone would spend 20 mins doing research in order to shoot me down in flames when it would take only 1 min to answer the question.[/QUOTE]Are you nut? You are not asking for an update of the working hours of an MP, whether by. Nancy chance knows if girl XY still works there, information that can be given in 30" by someone who knows and that would be, objectively, hard to find by RYFF.

You are asking for a comprehensive resume as you are lazy. As simple as that. Whether you are a newbie or a 5000post old guy here, your expectations are non sense. A 5000 post old guy, going to a new place will not even dare to think asking what you asked. This is the fact. He'd duly RTFF and cut the story short. You are defending a weak and odd position, pissing off people with your attitude. Do what you want ad judge me as you like but I share the feeling of others: don't think your presence in ISG is much of a value for the community. To put in straight terms, you are of poor Value For Time for anyone here.

[QUOTE=BigSmile;1308568]Sorry guys. I guess this post says a lot about both of us. And yes by your standards I am a newbie which is why I was hoping to learn from your experience. It does seem odd that someone would spend 20 mins doing research in order to shoot me down in flames when it would take only 1 min to answer the question.[/QUOTE]Are you nut? You are not asking for an update of the working hours of an MP, whether by chance anyone knows if girl XY still works there, information that can be given in 30" by someone who knows and that would be, objectively, hard to find by RYFF.

You are asking for a comprehensive resume as you are lazy. As simple as that. Whether you are a newbie or a 5000post old guy here, your expectations are non sense. A 5000 post old guy, going to a new place will not even dare to think asking what you asked. This is the fact. He'd duly RTFF and cut the story short. You are defending a weak and odd position, pissing off people with your attitude. Do what you want ad judge me as you like but I share the feeling of others: don't think your presence in ISG is much of a value for the community. To put in straight terms, you are of poor Value For Time for anyone here.

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[blue]Greetings Everyone,

BigSmile posted that he/she will no longer be participating in the forum.

Pursuant to Forum Policy, I have deleted this resignation post and retired his/her membership.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Vman, why are you getting so worked up? If you want to answer these lazy, its all about me, I haven't got the time to RTFF questions, be our guest. I will wager you a night at the Lewis Grand that in less than 6 months you will be fed up with it too.

[quote=vielendank;1308657]i do have to apologize for some of the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord130][CodeWord130][/url] inbreds here that have a difficult time answering a simple question.[/quote]leave it to vealanstank to defend the indefensible. i wonder if he will actually make it to fields ave on his fantasy trip to ac next month since last time he said he was too busy with the dia girls, lol.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1308870]It is a sign of the apocolypse.[/QUOTE]When he's hanging out in the bars he keeps a hand cupped over his beer to prevent somebody from drugging him. When he travels to Colombia he wires money to himself every day via Xoom to prevent the security guys from stealing stuff from his in room safe. Vealanstank is (drum roll please) The Most Paranoid Man in the World!

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?578-General-Info&p=1302585&viewfull=1#post1302585[/url]

[QUOTE=BigSmile;1308725]For me I don't have the time to waste to read their drivel so I will leave this forum. Bye.[/QUOTE]Well, there you have it. Confirming that he doesn't want to spend time here, he only wants to take information, but not give information. From the horse's mouth.

BS, big V's prices are right. I will PM you with some more pricing info.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1308657]Just sit back and watch the Angeles nazi's have a good time with my post and remember,[/QUOTE]Angeles nazi. That would be my job, thanks.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1308657]until you earn their approval and respect, you are forbidden from posting.[/QUOTE]Not so. Informative posts are always welcome. We love that. Had he even discussed butt-plugs and posted some pics (see below) , we would have fostered that. Folk who take-but-don't-give, well no thanks. Keep that stuff in he PM please.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1308657]it is priceless when they tell you to take "an hour or two" to RTFF. Really? An hour or two?[/QUOTE]Yes, really. If he had read for just 20 minutes, his questions would have been answered by Enizho, yes?

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1308657]If you RTFF for an hour or two the only thing you will see is how they like to use butt plugs and vibrators or what the coffee tastes like at Starbucks.[/QUOTE]Not true. But those are all good topics of discussion in the filipines threads?

Reasonable minds can disagree.

[QUOTE=Vielendank;1308922]Your key word is reasonable but it should also include respectful. When you have a new guy that has a simple question and you and the other Club 54 members tell him how much time to spend on the forum trying to find an answer, calling him lazy, telling him he needs to earn your respect, has to post on the forum and post pictures before he can ask a question, etc. Then that isn't reasonable at all and is a little bit pathetic. I just can't seem to understand why you all deem yourselves as experts and try to tell other people what they can and can't do. If that's your job then frankly, you suck at it. All it does is cause people to leave the forum and not pariticipate. If you don't want to answer a question then don't answer it. It's the sarcasm that everyone can do without. And to prove my point about Club 54, your whole response to me keeps saying "we" which are you and the other people on here that show no respect to anyone. Almost all of your conversations are so irrelevent that it clogs up the board with stupid shit and you should take your own advice and use the PM function. More people would RTFF if there wasn't so much crap on it from the "powers that be" that are personal conversations. You all use this forum like it's Yahoo I'm.[/QUOTE]I'll PM you, private is better.

This might be a very stupid question but I will shoot anyway.

On my first trip to Asia I will visit AC for 5-6 day stay. Now since there is so much danger towards foreigners here. So for you that have visited AC before would you say I should not wear brand clothes and my whach that might seem expensive to locals and just put something wearn of and cheap?

Just a thought that this might be not the best place to give locals clue you might have some money!

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1308953]This might be a very stupid question but I will shoot anyway.

On my first trip to Asia I will visit AC for 5-6 day stay. Now since there is so much danger towards foreigners here. So for you that have visited AC before would you say I should not wear brand clothes and my whach that might seem expensive to locals and just put something wearn of and cheap?

Just a thought that this might be not the best place to give locals clue you might have some money![/QUOTE]You will see quickly once you get there what the dress code is. Very casual. VERY.

Most gents are in non-descript clothing. Shorts, or if long pants denim. T-shirt mostly, or an occasional short-sleeve pullover. Flip-flops, non-descript tennis shoes. You rarely see any designer clothes. The place is hot and sticky, dress for it. The place is extremely informal. Mitt Romney's don't fit in.

Tomux, please give us a nice descriptive report sometime during or after your visit of your experiences there.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1308953]This might be a very stupid question but I will shoot anyway.

On my first trip to Asia I will visit AC for 5-6 day stay. Now since there is so much danger towards foreigners here. So for you that have visited AC before would you say I should not wear brand clothes and my whach that might seem expensive to locals and just put something wearn of and cheap?

Just a thought that this might be not the best place to give locals clue you might have some money![/QUOTE]As others will likely also report. You want to be aware of your surroundings. Lots of tourists visit Angeles every year. Most do not have problems. Some do.

Late at night on the back streets of Angeles, being drunk and having a pocketful of cash is likely to be a recipe for disaster. Regardless of when you go out, daytime / nighttime, it is not a good idea to wave around loads of cash just to try to impress the locals. They will already guess that you have money.

Be discrete even when using the moneychangers. I wouldn't change large amounts and then walk back to my hotel.

There are lots of things to be aware of. And I am NOT an expert. There are plenty of stories of lost cell phones / stolen cell phones, pickpockets and worse. I know of several filipinas that at various times have managed to have cell phones stolen.

I was walking down the street (Don Juico Avenue) which main thoroughfare in broad daylight when a pair of motorcycle thieves crossed over from the other side of the street and from behind me, attempted to take my gold necklace off my neck in a driveby. Needless to say, I do NOT wear that in Angeles anymore. I do still have it, just don't wear it there. These guys spotted it sometime after I left breakfast and probably followed me.

Certainly, there are a number of pickpockets that thrive on tourists that ride the jeepneys and they will get cash / wallets / cell phones / etc. Just know that there is a high potential for that activity and put your wallet in your front pockets or secure it somewhere else. I have probably beeen fortunate that hasn't happened to me and I do ride jeepneys on occasion. I have had friends that have lost wallets and cell phones on the jeepneys.

Sporting expensive jewelry and / or watches will likely get you noticed and not in a good way. I would NOT even recommend that you buy a BOLEX (fake Rolex) which are for sale by the street vendors. They don't work and chances are you will overpay (I. E anything over $10 is too much)

One of my last trips, my young lady for the evening decided to check to see how much money was in my pocket (while I was in the shower ). She didn't put the shorts back the way she found them and I noticed right away. I then confronted her and checked her purse for the missing money. It was there. The place I was staying did not have in room safes but if you plan to stay at a hotel that does have one, it is a good idea to use it. That is the only time (I think) that ever happened to me.

Also, there are enough stories about filipinos coming to aid of fellow filipinos if a fight erupts. I always figure these guys are in better shape than I am and may know way more martial arts / street fighting than I will ever know. It seems that filipinos have a passion for firearms and there are a great number around. There is a reason why all the banks / armored cars / various cash business have so many guards armed with shotguns standing by to keep the money where it belongs.

Two simple rules :

1. Use common sense.

2. Keep a low profile.

I hope it is not as dire as you are indicating. I will be there next month. (it isn't BTW) I was laso there in February for a brief visit. Other than the ridiculous barfines on Fields. It seemed like SNAFU and of course enjoyable.

In keeping with the current topics on this board. RTFF.

Just my piso (post # 10?) and maybe almost time to buy a paid membership

[QUOTE=Capt Munch; 1308991]As others will likely also report. You want to be aware of your surroundings. Lots of tourists visit Angeles every year. Most do not have problems. Some do.

Late at night on the back streets of Angeles, being drunk and having a pocketful of cash is likely to be a recipe for disaster. Regardless of when you go out, daytime / nighttime, it is not a good idea to wave around loads of cash just to try to impress the locals. They will already guess that you have money.

Be discrete even when using the moneychangers. I wouldn't change large amounts and then walk back to my hotel.

There are lots of things to be aware of. And I am NOT an expert. There are plenty of stories of lost cell phones / stolen cell phones, pickpockets and worse. I know of several filipinas that at various times have managed to have cell phones stolen.

I was walking down the street (Don Juico Avenue) which main thoroughfare in broad daylight when a pair of motorcycle thieves crossed over from the other side of the street and from behind me, attempted to take my gold necklace off my neck in a driveby. Needless to say, I do NOT wear that in Angeles anymore. I do still have it, just don't wear it there. These guys spotted it sometime after I left breakfast and probably followed me.

Certainly, there are a number of pickpockets that thrive on tourists that ride the jeepneys and they will get cash / wallets / cell phones / etc. Just know that there is a high potential for that activity and put your wallet in your front pockets or secure it somewhere else. I have probably beeen fortunate that hasn't happened to me and I do ride jeepneys on occasion. I have had friends that have lost wallets and cell phones on the jeepneys.

Sporting expensive jewelry and / or watches will likely get you noticed and not in a good way. I would NOT even recommend that you buy a BOLEX (fake Rolex) which are for sale by the street vendors. They don't work and chances are you will overpay (I. E anything over $10 is too much)

One of my last trips, my young lady for the evening decided to check to see how much money was in my pocket (while I was in the shower ). She didn't put the shorts back the way she found them and I noticed right away. I then confronted her and checked her purse for the missing money. It was there. The place I was staying did not have in room safes but if you plan to stay at a hotel that does have one, it is a good idea to use it. That is the only time (I think) that ever happened to me.

Also, there are enough stories about filipinos coming to aid of fellow filipinos if a fight erupts. I always figure these guys are in better shape than I am and may know way more martial arts / street fighting than I will ever know. It seems that filipinos have a passion for firearms and there are a great number around. There is a reason why all the banks / armored cars / various cash business have so many guards armed with shotguns standing by to keep the money where it belongs.

Two simple rules :

1. Use common sense.

2. Keep a low profile.

I hope it is not as dire as you are indicating. I will be there next month. (it isn't BTW) I was laso there in February for a brief visit. Other than the ridiculous barfines on Fields. It seemed like SNAFU and of course enjoyable.

In keeping with the current topics on this board. RTFF.

Just my piso (post # 10?) and maybe almost time to buy a paid membership[/QUOTE]I would like to add a few additional points:

1) Be deaf and dumb when strangers approach you in the street being friendly. They inevitably want to get familiar with your money, not you. Never accept food / sweets from strangers. They can be drugged.

2) Do not listen to sob stories, some may be true, most are designed to draw money.

3) Lending quickly turns into a non-refundable 'gift'.

4) Cover your money when you go to money changers.

5) Use the hotel safe, but keep track of what is there. Hotel staff have keys also.

6) Dress down. Be inconspicious, never attract attention with jewelry, watches, cameras.

7) Remember that the reason young girls want older often unattractive men is MONEY and SECURITY. Strategize to benefit accordingly.

8) Do not invest in a 'business', the odds are stacked against you.

9) Be extremely careful when travelling late at night.

10) Most of the above apply to Filipinos just as they do to foreigners. So many Filipinos get scammed, experience holdups, robbed in jeepneys, pickpocketed.

A few maps for reference.

The google map, some marked locations. Apology if I got any of the restos or bars incorrect. They are close. Someone else correct me if I'm wrong. A few worthwhile notes:

1. Field's Avenue runs (west-east) across the top of the picture (note the split, or fork in the road, and note the N / S/E / W legend upper-right). If you walk along Fields, from west to east, in this image, you will note a lot of massage / spa / phone businesses. Take the split to your left, and there are a bunch of stalls, laundries, and karaoke places. Take the split to the right, and you stay on Field's Avenue, with Atlantis on your right, followed by Kokomo's. Kokomo's is at the corner of Fields Avenue and Santos Street.

2. Moving down Santos, to the south, Kokomo's on the left, lots of trykes on the right. Tequila Reef mexican resto on your right, and ST bar WOW on your left. WOW is a very tiny place, barely enough room for 2 customers to stand / sit. 700 gets you 2 hours (really 3) in your room, or the back room there where one of the girls is usually asleep. The mamas are very nice, never pushy. Have known one of them for several years. I didn't know she was watching me, I was walking across the street, she hollered my name. I went to chat her. Both of my long-time favs are gone now. One went overseas with her bf, the other has a business in town. Disappointing, as I have posted their pics here many times, both together, separately, and with other girls (they run the gammut from mild to wild, girlie mood depending). The mama said she would txt the second girl and give her my number to see if she wanted to get together. Nice. I moved on up the street to check the other talent.

3. Continuing south down Santos, across the street from WOW are more ST bars, and on the left is the International Resto, formerly Shano's Irish Pub. Great place to knock down chow and play pool in your down time. Large, clean, place.

4. Continuing down Santos, Wild Orchid hotel on the left, more ST blow bars on the right. Every bar on Santos quoted similar prices: 700-750 ST / 1400-1500 LT. However, every girl and every mama I quized about times were gladly extending the times. Two hours became three, and LT became much later. For instance, I quized one mama about LT with a girl, it was about sundown, and she just said "You bring back tomorrow." I didn't push it and ask what time exactly in that bar, but that's easily 12 hours, and possibly much later in the morning, say noon, closer to 18.

5. Back to the picture. Turning west on Real street, at the corner of Santos / Real, at Tequila Reef resto on your left, then are the muslim shopping stalls to your left, and several bars on your right. Crystal Palace, Agasaya, and Body Shop. BS quoted 1800 for barfine. Nobody in any place in AC objected to the word 'barfine', and the mamas bantered the term also. I didn't hear anyone mention "EWR" in AC.

6. Continuing along Real, you will 'T' into Raymond street. Across the street is a juice bar (Strawberry Fields, which I think also has a girlie bar) , with resto next door. Its next door to Las Vegas girlie bar. Turn right at this T onto Raymond, walk one block to Fields. Phillies open-air resto (similar to Kokomo's) is on the corner to your left. Good breakfast for p100, including coffee refill.

7. If U-turn left at that 'T', walk a block or so, you will see several bars on your right (4 of them I think, together, next door to each other). They almost appear to be one bar, not 4. Aby Lyn, Jumpin' Jack Flash (see pic). I sat inside Aby Lyn, hadn't even ordered a drink. My phone buzzed. I checked the txt message, and was about to put the phone away, when several girls started posing. 'You take our pic. ' Well, if you insist, ladies. Snap. See pic. I asked the barfine price: 700 2 hours. 1200 LT. The very last bar, on the right, no kidding is filled with older fat gals, all of them appear late 30's or 40's. Hard to believe anyone would take them. The other three bars were filled with girls, sometimes 30 or so gals sitting around between the other three. Quite a range in the looks department, although all girls appeared < 25.

A pregnant gal had jumped in my lap, right away hinting at the barfine. It was tempting. 'You fuck my pussy my ass I swallow you cum. ' Pictures ok? 'Yes I do all. ' When are you due for the baby? 'This week. I go home soon. ' I came back the next day for her and another gal for a 3-some, but they said the girl got on the bus that morning for Tarlac, to go have her baby. Damn, just missed. My fault.

I spent a week in AC, and pulled my girls from almost exclusively the ST bars on Raymond / Santos Streets. I had a province girl chatmate come in. I got a gal from Body Shop. I had a mamasan on her night off. I pulled a LOT of these ST gals, and took several for LT, as the Raymond street mamas were willing to let me keep the girls up to 24 hours, for 1200. They seemed to have no issue. 'You keep. Any you like. OK? '

I got into an argument with a mama in the first bar (Aby, I think) one night. She pushed two cuties in my lap, and she kept telling me to take them. I had some ice tea. I couldn't decide: take them now, or go eat dinner now and come back later for them? One was average-pretty, the other was hot. When I finished my tea, hottie had had her hand in my pants and was stroking Johnson, so I told the mama I would take them ST. I handed her 2000, she handed me back 600 for change. I stepped into the CR. When I came out, only one of the girls (hottie) was standing there, ready to go. The mama said,"Other guy barfine your other girl just now." Huh? Where did they go?"Upstairs she giving blowjob. He regular customer. She back here soon. Ten minutes. Just sit wait and you take both girls." Yuck! Give me my money back, mama. She asked me again to wait."That guy always cum quick. Wait." She was serious. No thanks. So she got in the money drawer and handed me 700. No, mama, I don't like what you did. I'm not taking either gal. She looked wounded, then handed me the other 700. I told her that was bad business."But he's regular customer." Me too, mama, already I had taken your girls, and paid for these."Please. Just you wait few minutes. She come soon." The other gal who was still standing there, was urging me to wait also. I told her that what the mama did was bad business, and just cost her a barfine. Sure as filipine rain, just as I was walking out, the girl came out from the back with some older guy (easily, he is 70). They could not have been in the back 6 whole minutes. I went over to WOW on Santos and grabbed a girl, who txt'the a friend, who came for a 3-some.

8. On all of Fields avenue you see in the picture, there are plenty of girlie bars. Quoted barfines range from a low of 1800, to 3000, depending on the bar (the expensive bars have tiers, say low-end girls at 2000, then high end hotties at 3000). All barfines are LT, except the ST bars mentioned before on Raymond/Santos.

9. Walking west on Fields from Philies resto one block to Constain street, and turn left. There are several bars down this street on the left side, including Butterfly bar. All of these bars quoted me 1500 for the barfine. At least one of these bars has a pool table, but I can’t remember which one.

[QUOTE=Lugalzaggizi; 1307497]I did enjoy spending the night with Sandra in the lap of luxury of the ABC Hotel, but I had to throw her out in the morning on account of the fact that I had to meet my tennis instructor, Billie, at 5:30 am. Unfortunately, I got there at 6 pm and the courts were occupied, rendering it necessary for me to wait an hour. Once we got on the courts I played a lot better than I did in yesterday as I was adversely affected by the scorching heat. While at the courts I actually met a pinay who use to live in Berkley, California. He had his son and daughter with him, the daughter of whom played tennis. The stifling April heat was definitely the decisive factor in throwing off my concentration. It was still quite cool in New York in April and I simply could not acclimate myself to the heat of the Philippines in a mere ten days. Once I got done with an hour of tennis I headed to the boxing gym. The ABC Hotel, ever so accommodating, sent a driver to shuttle me from the tennis court to the boxing gym. The driver was in his mid-fifties and expatiated on how the economy of Angeles City was stimulated primarily by the free zone at Clark. I don't know how accurate that statement was.

The boxing gym was in the garage of Charlie Sanchez, of whom is a friend of Manny Pacquiao. The Pacman use to train in Angeles before he became world renown. His garage was a veritable cauldron, probably around 105 degrees and dilapidated to boot. How odd it was that I had gone from such divine concupiscent pleasure at the ABC Hotel just a mere few hours ago to the brutal gladiatorial regimen of boxing training in a gym in the slums of Angeles City. One can't have his physicality compromised by luxury. The luxury was only to accomodate the women. Darius the Great said that soft lands breed soft men.

The punch combinations on the pads was the hardest part of the training on account of the fact that I didn't have the punch combinations etched into my synapses yet and he did not give me the time to establish those synaptic connections before having me learn a new punching combination. Regardless, I felt much better today on account of the fact that I did not have the huge breakfast at the ABC buffet like I did yesterday. I went over twenty hours without food before yesterday morning's breakfast because I left Puerto Galera at 2 pm and immediately upon my arrival in Angeles City at 7 pm I headed out to the bars without bothering to stop and eat and then I spent the entire night at the bars and having sex at my hotel room without having so much as a scrap of vittles. Since I ate a light breakfast this morning I was much sharper in the boxing gym.[/QUOTE]I shouldn't respond like this as we usually embrace reports about females. But finally a report from a female (part of the anatomy). What a ****!

moving west along fields. see pic. starting with skytrax disco. i think i paid a cover charge with my date. we were the only ones there at first, apparently early, i think about 10pm. a bit later 3 hotties came in, dressed very well, sat in the booth next to us. one at a time, they would stare at me, completely ignoring my date. like i was going to leave my date, walk over to them, and offer to leave with one of them. we left shortly thereafter (its really loud in there). moving west on fields, see alaska bar. p1800 barfine. american owner. great guy. he's also the dj. he will sit and chat anyone. they threw a modestly wild party in there one night. a contingient of about 10 girls on the dance stage, with 2 in the wings. about every song, one girl would shuffle off the stage, and one in the wings would shuffle on. different than the usual half on / half off switch-a-roo. the owner would sit and chat with me about anything. he gave me a rundown of the girls."see that one. not so pretty. but loves sex. lots of guys who take her later tell me she's the longest hardest fuck they ever had. see that one? the long hair? great blowjob. that one's cherry she won't do anything." low-key, comfortable place.

i think honeypot is on this block. also coyote ugly, closed down now for some time. i heard several scuttlebutts, including **** girls, and that the owners are in jail. anyone else heard? a block further west is margarita station, a resto / bar. good atmosphere for westerners, large menu. several pool tables. careful, there are several asian girls who hang by the pool tables and play a lot of pool. they are not necessarily with anyone, they play pool very well. anyone know if they are sharks paid by the establishment? (g-point in malate also utilizes sharks on and off).

in this area is also a 7-11. past margarita is the start of the less expensive bars, including pony tails. i think the waitress quoted p1200 for barfine. nice place, pool tables in the back. food also good in pt. also just past margarita station is chowking. near the 7-11 is a grocery store (whats the name?). a block or two west of margarita you start getting to hotels such as abc and devera.

Arrived for my first time trip to AC (been other parts of the PI though) from elsewhere in Asia (see Japan reports) on an early ass flight. Hot. Tired. Sweaty. Wanted nothing more than to find a nice cutie and have some fun, get something to eat, etc. But I got to ask, where the hell is the daytime action? Walked up and down Fields this morning and again today. Nothing really in the way of girls. Lot's of closed shops, many with shirtless Pinoys washing the remnants of last nights parties into the open sewer they call "Walking Street".

Am I missing something? Perhaps I am just an idiot.

Could any old hands point in the right direction of a place to pull some ST or LT during the day? I don't really have to wait until the nighttime do I?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1309307]Arrived for my first time trip to AC (been other parts of the PI though) from elsewhere in Asia (see Japan reports) on an early ass flight. Hot. Tired. Sweaty. Wanted nothing more than to find a nice cutie and have some fun, get something to eat, etc. But I got to ask, where the hell is the daytime action? Walked up and down Fields this morning and again today. Nothing really in the way of girls. Lot's of closed shops, many with shirtless Pinoys washing the remnants of last nights parties into the open sewer they call "Walking Street".

Am I missing something? Perhaps I am just an idiot.

Could any old hands point in the right direction of a place to pull some ST or LT during the day? I don't really have to wait until the nighttime do I?[/QUOTE]I got there mid afternoon. Went to the Santos street. Look / ask where Black Pearl is. There's always something available down there. Lower quality than the big gogos but still fun and price is cheap. Two girls for 1500 in my car. If you are at Pacific breeze its easily accessible.



Rtf a bit if you aren't sure. And I mean read the forum with no disrespect intended. Its just others will tell you the same. H

ps. Pm me if you need more help dude

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1309307]Arrived for my first time trip to AC (been other parts of the PI though) from elsewhere in Asia (see Japan reports) on an early ass flight. Hot. Tired. Sweaty. Wanted nothing more than to find a nice cutie and have some fun, get something to eat, etc. But I got to ask, where the hell is the daytime action? Walked up and down Fields this morning and again today. Nothing really in the way of girls. Lot's of closed shops, many with shirtless Pinoys washing the remnants of last nights parties into the open sewer they call "Walking Street".

Am I missing something? Perhaps I am just an idiot.

Could any old hands point in the right direction of a place to pull some ST or LT during the day? I don't really have to wait until the nighttime do I?[/QUOTE]Find Phillies restaurant on Fields, corner Raymond Street (its right across the street on Fields from the Police substation). Turn on Raymond and walk to the end of the street (about 2 blocks). The four / five ST bars in today's post on the right side of the street, are 24-hour bars. Aby Lyn, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Prince of Wales, and Lovely Paradise (there might be a fifth). I pulled girls every hour of the day from these places, including 7am. ST=p700, good for 2-3 hours in your room.

I think I mentioned I took a girl from Aby Lyn one day in the early afternoon, initially for a ST. But when the mama said I could keep her until the next day for 1200, I did. We had coffee at Phillies around 10am the next morning. I figured she'd want me to walk her up the street to her bar. I asked her if she wanted to go there, or go to the mall with me. She said she needed to look for a phone case, so she came with me (still dressed in the slutty form-fitting bar mini-dress). Just across the street on Fields in one of the stall shops, she found a case she wanted for her phone. It was p200, so I paid for it for her. Then I figured she'd want to head back, the bar was just two blocks away. Nope. Off we went to find some stuff for me in the department store, window shopped, then ate. Walked back towards my hotel (near her bar) about noon. She grabbed my hand when I turned on Raymond, and dragged me back onto fields, so we went the long way to my hotel (about a block longer). I'm guessing she did not want the mamasan to see her. In the room she was just playing with her makeup, so about 1pm I took her back. A real cutie, but her goal in life between sessions seemed to be applying and removing makeup. Mrs. Robinson's is the fifth bar I think.

There are other 24-hour bars also. Gents?

A few pics of the Santos Street bars. I took girls from all of these places, at times two girls at a time. Other times I would ask a girl quietly in the bar (or else in my room after a session) if she had a friend who is not a bargirl who might be interested in 3-somes, and there was success twice. These bars were just like the Raymond street bars. 700 or 750, and nobody was in a rush to get a girl back (not even the girls were concerned with time). WOW bar is between Kokomo's and The International resto. The other bars are across the street from The International. WOW is not 24 hours, but I think the other two bars are.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1309245]A few maps for reference.

The google map, some marked locations. Apology if I got any of the restos or bars incorrect. They are close. Someone else correct me if I'm wrong. A few worthwhile notes:[/QUOTE]Appreciate the report. The SWT in the red dress looks really cute. Was she the one with child?

Slim

Hi WC and other AC mongers,

Have you seen any busty girls there recently? Slim and stacked preferred. Any sightings / info appreciated. I'll be there in October.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1309325]A few pics of the Santos Street bars. I took girls from all of these places, at times two girls at a time. Other times I would ask a girl quietly in the bar (or else in my room after a session) if she had a friend who is not a bargirl who might be interested in 3-somes, and there was success twice. These bars were just like the Raymond street bars. 700 or 750, and nobody was in a rush to get a girl back (not even the girls were concerned with time). WOW bar is between Kokomo's and The International resto. The other bars are across the street from The International. WOW is not 24 hours, but I think the other two bars are.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nvslim; 1309361]Appreciate the report. The SWT in the red dress looks really cute. Was she the one with child?

Slim[/QUOTE]The girl in the red dress is a hottie, but not pregnant. Cute face. I had a similar incident with her as I did with the other girl. The red dress incident occurred first on a previous day. I was set to take one girl who was sitting practically in my lap. I mentioned a second gal, and my girl pointed to the red dress. I said yes, she would do just fine for the 3-some, and we would go when I finished my beer (two swigs away). As I got up to pay for both girls to the mama, with both girls ready to go, pulling 1400 out of my wallet at the bar, some older gent walks in. The red dress is standing right next to me, ready to go. The older gent doesn't say a word. The red dress grabs his hand and walks in the back with him. WTF? The mama said,"He barfine her earlier." That was it, off she went. If I had skipped the swigs, I would have walked out with the two girls, and he would have had to wait until I brought her back. By sheer luck, he got there in the nick of time.

I had no idea that in the ST bars, that gents barfined girls in advance, left the bar, and just came back whenever they wanted to see if the girl was still there. The bar had no desire to keep her from barfining in between (just the opposite I'd guess). Going further, some girls get a string of guys. I'd sit in these bars early afternoon for 2 hours sometimes, sipping bottled water or tea, and watch the same girl go in the back with 4 different guys, all in 75 minutes. Several times I saw girls go in the back with a guy, and come back out in just 6 or 7 minutes. The guy would leave, the girl would sit and chat her friends like nothing happened. Five minutes later some guy would walk in, point to the same gal, pay the money, and take her upstairs. Ten minutes later they are back down. The girls would tell me about this guy or that guy being a regular, and he had preference for this girl or that girl. I ended up taking just the one girl.

Back to the pregnant girl. I tiny wisp of a thing. Skinny, about 19, looked like she had a bowling ball hanging under her boobs. Seen from behind, you would not know she was pregnant. I put my hand under her shirt on her tummy (hard as a rock) and felt the baby kick. I should have taken her just for the pics.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1309245]9. Walking west on Fields from Philies resto one block to Constain street, and turn left. There are several bars down this street on the left side, including Butterfly bar. All of these bars quoted me 1500 for the barfine. At least one of these bars has a pool table, but I can’t remember which one.[/QUOTE]
It's Butterfly that has the pool table, a good place, BTW. Bf was 1200 last year, but most of the girls are on the fat side. Some friendly regular customers hang out in this bar. If I remember correctly they play rock music at this place.

You guys in Ac. Are you getting hit with typhoon rains?

Yea, I saw that schools are closed today because of it. Won't hamper me though.

Thanks for the tips from those who gave them. Ended up pulling a girl from Devil's early in the evening. Ate some food than got three pops in before bed. TBH, she seemed a little shocked that I went for the third. Is there a standard operating procedure here? I wanted to get my money's worth! She was into all three sessions once they started but I did sense a little hesitation before starting the third like I said. Did one more early in the morning. She hung around and watched some TV with me, then headed out. All in all a good time.

One problem I have in these bar style places, which I'm not really used to (usually tend towards different style places in other countries) , is how to identify what kind of tits the girls are working with in the bars. Of course many look good on stage, but when you get them home, the tits have some sag. Like my girl last night. Young and sexy, but still, prefer to have perky tits with stand up nipples. Any hints?

One more question that I didn't find an answer to by RTF, what's the deal with the massage places on Fields? Average prices? Services? Some hot young girls in the windows of these places, but wearing clinical uniforms. Is this legit massage only?

Finally, what about the waitresses at kokomos? The ones wearing the pink uniforms. Some of them are fucking hot. Available for take out?

Thanks for anyone who can help! Already ready back on the forum quite a ways, but I'll do so more reading now.

I read that AC is a punting nivarna but I also have an opportunity of a byo gal from Cebu. She's cute, good looking and loyal.

I've also got a realistic budget and also realistic expectations of actually doing some work while I'm in town. Can you guys help me gather my thoughts on this.

Advantages of BYO.

Friendly and no need to go out looking for a gal each night.

No need to deal with runners, bar fines etc.

Would cost an airfare from CEB-Angeles-CEB. P4, 000.

Extra daily allowance for her of P1, 000 to cover her expenses.

So for a week, would cost P11, 000 to have a honey join me.

Disadvantages of BYO.

She's always there. As soon as I get home from stress work, she wants to play, go out, be friendly.

I'm a little introverted and do enjoy some privacy.

What does she do all day?

Can't get out and experience other Angeles delights.

Advantages of JIT. Just in Time. Ie bargirls, freelancers.

Fits my timetable.

Fits my energy / interest requirements if I have to work long / late etc.

Only pay when needed.

Disadvantages of JIT.

Have to constantly be selecting a new girl or type.

Deal with occasional runner / fruitcake.

Many of the honeys don't come out to late and I might need to go early to accommodate early work starts.

Daily cost of P2, 000-3, 000.

Your experiences are appreciated.

BD

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1309686]She was into all three sessions once they started but I did sense a little hesitation before starting the third like I said. Did one more early in the morning. She hung around and watched some TV with me, then headed out. All in all a good time.[/QUOTE]In my experience, if they are hanging around, usually means they are comfortable with the arrangement.

I'm not much of a bar guy and I'm sure there are others who might know better but can't you just ask to see their tits in the bar? Every bar I have been in I've been able to fondle and see the girls tits, put a hand in the pants and finger their pussy and they usually have their hands on my cock the whole time they are sitting with me. I guess you just have to ask and be forward with them.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1309686]One problem I have in these bar style places, which I'm not really used to (usually tend towards different style places in other countries) , is how to identify what kind of tits the girls are working with in the bars. Of course many look good on stage, but when you get them home, the tits have some sag. Like my girl last night. Young and sexy, but still, prefer to have perky tits with stand up nipples. Any hints?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1309686]Thanks for the tips from those who gave them. Ended up pulling a girl from Devil's early in the evening. Ate some food than got three pops in before bed. TBH, she seemed a little shocked that I went for the third. Is there a standard operating procedure here? I wanted to get my money's worth! She was into all three sessions once they started but I did sense a little hesitation before starting the third like I said. Did one more early in the morning. She hung around and watched some TV with me, then headed out. All in all a good time.[/QUOTE]She is yours for the time period specified. In a ST bar, its usually 2 hours, and either 4 or 8 for their LT. In the past, they stuck to that: you had to have her back in the bar in two hours. However, when I was there a few weeks ago, there was some blurring of that. Mama's and girls were telling me they could stay for 3 hours instead of two. For LT they were giving me this wild stuff about bringing her back tomorrow at lunch (24 hours). Ask the mama before you take her from the bar. If she says 3 hours, then the girl is yours for the timeframe. However, many girls will also start to dress after your first pop. Just tell her to get showered and come back to bed with you.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1309686]One problem I have in these bar style places, which I'm not really used to (usually tend towards different style places in other countries) , is how to identify what kind of tits the girls are working with in the bars. Of course many look good on stage, but when you get them home, the tits have some sag. Like my girl last night. Young and sexy, but still, prefer to have perky tits with stand up nipples. Any hints?[/QUOTE]They sag from children. Don't ask in the bar if she has kids. Ask how many she has. Zero is best.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1309686]One more question that I didn't find an answer to by RTF, what's the deal with the massage places on Fields? Average prices? Services? Some hot young girls in the windows of these places, but wearing clinical uniforms. Is this legit massage only?[/QUOTE]I've never been offered any extras in these places. 400-500 is the going price (the girls typically get 150).

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1309686]Finally, what about the waitresses at kokomos? The ones wearing the pink uniforms. Some of them are fucking hot. Available for take out?[/QUOTE]I don't think so. Same for Phillies. They can be pretty, and they are sweet. Don't push your luck in these places, there are so many other legit places to get the snatch. If you find you must, drop her your phone number (like you'd be the first guy to do that there).

Thanks a lot for the info bro. Very helpful!

[quote]She is yours for the time period specified. In a ST bar, its usually 2 hours, and either 4 or 8 for their LT. In the past, they stuck to that: you had to have her back in the bar in two hours. However, when I was there a few weeks ago, there was some blurring of that. Mama's and girls were telling me they could stay for 3 hours instead of two. For LT they were giving me this wild stuff about bringing her back tomorrow at lunch (24 hours). Ask the mama before you take her from the bar. If she says 3 hours, then the girl is yours for the timeframe. However, many girls will also start to dress after your first pop. Just tell her to get showered and come back to bed with you.[/quote]I'm going to have to try that, then try to get used it. I usually just talk to the girls and never the mamasan. It'll be a bit odd for me, but I'm sure I'll get over it. In fact, I don't think I even noticed who the mamasan even was at the places I went to last night. I guess I'll just have to ask a waitress to point me in her direction tonight.

Thanks again man, a lot of great info in your posts and replies!

[quote]I had no idea that in the ST bars, that gents barfined girls in advance, left the bar, and just came back whenever they wanted to see if the girl was still there.[/quote]I keep trying to figure out what the point of this is, but for the life of me, I can't come up with anything. If it doesn't prevent her from being barfined by anyone else, what exactly would be the point of barfining her early then coming back later? Why not jut barfine her later, when you come back?

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker;1309696]I'm not much of a bar guy and I'm sure there are others who might know better but can't you just ask to see their tits in the bar? Every bar I have been in I've been able to fondle and see the girls tits, put a hand in the pants and finger their pussy and they usually have their hands on my cock the whole time they are sitting with me. I guess you just have to ask and be forward with them.[/QUOTE]So if you don't get girls from bars, where do you go? I'm not much of a bar guy either, never liked strip clubs and I don't even drink (I prefer privacy) , but I don't know where else to pick them up!

I've had a lot of sex in my life, a lot of freaky stuff, a lot of 2 or 3 couple swinging scenes, many women, but never been into the wide open scenes. No guilt or shame, it's just not comfortable for me when there are a lot of other guys and girls around.

I guess I will have to be more forward and get over my agoraphobia if I want to enjoy my few days here, eh?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1309748]So if you don't get girls from bars, where do you go? I'm not much of a bar guy either, never liked strip clubs and I don't even drink (I prefer privacy) , but I don't know where else to pick them up!

I've had a lot of sex in my life, a lot of freaky stuff, a lot of 2 or 3 couple swinging scenes, many women, but never been into the wide open scenes. No guilt or shame, it's just not comfortable for me when there are a lot of other guys and girls around.

I guess I will have to be more forward and get over my agoraphobia if I want to enjoy my few days here, eh?[/QUOTE]If you are not a bar guy then WTF are you doing in AC? I really don't understand people that go to AC and search for something other then bar girls. Phils has so many nicer better, cheaper places to explore where you can get girls from the internet, discos, malls, hotels. To me chasing non bar pussy in AC is crazy. Same cost or there about considering how cheap AC bars are, less time wasting and far better chance of getting a good experience then hoping your DIA or mall pick up will work for you. Sure at the bar there is no guarantee either but you have FAR FAR FAR better odds then picking up at SM mall in AC. If you think that a local girl in AC is interested in you LOL you really don't understand how things work in AC. They all know WHY you are in AC. They are not that stupid. Even if you have a legit reason they would still rather avoid you because everyone else too would assume you are a sex tourist. In AC just go for the bar girls. Pure and simple, don't over complicate it. Those that think they are getting something else then a bar girl in one form or another are just kidding themselves. I know there are exceptions, sure you can get a girl to come visit from another province, manila or wherever but after you account for the costs, wasting of time, limits that she may impose on you then whats the point? AC is meant to be a bar town and enjoy it as bar town. I really don't understand why would you want to turn your trip there into something else.

There are plenty of posts how you can get non bar girls in phils. Its easy. If you are willing to go down those paths then stay in Manila, Cebu, Boracay and at least enjoy yourself in a much better environment still surrounded by beautiful girls. Its not hard you just need to give it a go. Make sure that you have more then few days though as it may take 2-3 days for you to set up. AC you need 5 minutes or less just point and shoot.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1309725]I keep trying to figure out what the point of this is, but for the life of me, I can't come up with anything. If it doesn't prevent her from being barfined by anyone else, what exactly would be the point of barfining her early then coming back later? Why not jut barfine her later, when you come back?[/QUOTE]She may barfine LT with some else and you miss out. Usually it DOES prevent her from barfining if you want her LT but if its just a ST barfine then she is free to barfine but needs to be ready at agreed time. I too see no point in booking ST girls but I know guys that get hanged up on a girl that has great BJ skills and want to go drink get a BJ then get a LT barfine elsewhere. For them it makes no difference I guess.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1309769]There are plenty of posts how you can get non bar girls in phils. Its easy. If you are willing to go down those paths then stay in Manila, Cebu, Boracay and at least enjoy yourself in a much better environment still surrounded by beautiful girls. Its not hard you just need to give it a go. Make sure that you have more then few days though as it may take 2-3 days for you to set up. AC you need 5 minutes or less just point and shoot.[/QUOTE]Thanks McDon. You've gone some way to solving my earlier quandary that I posted. I will be in AC for legit reasons but even bringing a gal in, whom doesn't consider herself, nor is she a sex worker, she is going to be tarred with that brush being with a long nose in AC. My intention is to finesse why stay as far as possible.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain; 1309688]I read that AC is a punting nivarna but I also have an opportunity of a byo gal from Cebu. She's cute, good looking and loyal.

I've also got a realistic budget and also realistic expectations of actually doing some work while I'm in town. Can you guys help me gather my thoughts on this.

Advantages of BYO.

Friendly and no need to go out looking for a gal each night.

No need to deal with runners, bar fines etc.

Would cost an airfare from CEB-Angeles-CEB. P4, 000.

Extra daily allowance for her of P1, 000 to cover her expenses.

So for a week, would cost P11, 000 to have a honey join me.

Disadvantages of BYO.

She's always there. As soon as I get home from stress work, she wants to play, go out, be friendly.

I'm a little introverted and do enjoy some privacy.

What does she do all day?

Can't get out and experience other Angeles delights.

Advantages of JIT. Just in Time. Ie bargirls, freelancers.

Fits my timetable.

Fits my energy / interest requirements if I have to work long / late etc.

Only pay when needed.

Disadvantages of JIT.

Have to constantly be selecting a new girl or type.

Deal with occasional runner / fruitcake.

Many of the honeys don't come out to late and I might need to go early to accommodate early work starts.

Daily cost of P2, 000-3, 000.

Your experiences are appreciated.

BD[/QUOTE]LOL you are seriously thinking of BYO in AC? No offense but unless you have a bi supermodel type then forget it.

Go to AC and experience AC for what it is. If you want to keep a girl for few days you can do that there too. Depends on your budget, you taste and negotiating skills you can find 2-3 day gf experience in AC for about 1000-1500 a day quite easily and thats with very little knowledge and negotiations, regulars will probably do it for half that. Also you can vary your mongering experience there according to your needs. If all you have is few hours then BF short time from santos for 700 peso. Want a cheap GF experience then go to perimeter Road. Have time and want someone for 2-3 days for cheap look up DIA they are bar girls too but you can find someone that may agree to do it under the right circumstances skipping the barfine, taking time off work and directly charging you say 800 or 1000p a day. I have 2 bi girls in AC that I do that on regular basis with, both take time of work and I normally give them 2000p each for 3 days. In those 3 days I probably spend another 2-3000p on each of them on other things but thats my choice, I can tighten up my budget and I wont hear them complaining (have done it once in the past) but I am there to enjoy myself so I spend whatever I feel its appropriate, after all you only live once.

Bringing someone from elsewhere in AC while you are busy can also bring problems that you may not have anticipated. Once I had a very hot manila girl offer ST by the pool in the hotel while her boyfriend was at work. All she wanted was 500p for few hours while her boyfriend was away. Keep in mind that filipinas are very adjustable once she works out why most man are in AC and that they are all p4p types she may turn into an entrepreneur before you know it. Even if she is not like that beside watching tv what else is she going to do? Budget at least 1000p extra on shopping / entertainment. Add to that at least 1-2000 on food unless you intend to cook yourself LOL. All up you are at around 15000p for the week which is what you will spend if you bf one different LT each night.

Like I said unless you have something that is really really special bringing a chick in AC is just not worth it.

Why am I here? Bucket list, wanted to see the place, short and cheap flight from Japan, easy access to sex.

I didn't say I am adverse to P4P, I'm just not really into bars. For me, bars are not fun places, in the Philippines or anywhere else. I don't want to sit in some dark dungeon breathing in cigarette smoke (even if there are pretty girls in bikinis or nude doing a semi-dance zombie stagger on stage while dreaming about being anywhere else but there) with outdated 1980's music playing that wasn't even good when it came out, watching guys get fall down drunk. There's just no fun in any of that for me.

I've had a lot of sex in my time, about half pay and the other half "personal life" scores. So don't get me wrong, I like the fun and convenience of P4P. But I think the Angeles way of doing things is just too hardcore for me.

It's just not my scene. To each his own.

I usually go for spas / massage / anma type places where I can take my time and choose a girl, where the set up is all ready (walk in, pay a set fee, have a girl come to your room / booth / etc) or, at least, the casual bars of some places in Latin America where you can sit and chat for a while. For me, the apex of what P4P can be is the relaxation of the Macau Spas.

Of course there are many pretty girls here, many nice girls, and I will try to fit in as much as possible to enjoy my time here. But going by my experience so far, I would probably never return. Thanks again for the continued help and advice.

I just want to say, re: Ramos street, that I had a little different experience than WC on my two visits for ST today. It could be that WC is better at talking to the mama, negotiating, is a regular, etc, or maybe I am a total idiot and / or dick. The latter is plenty probable.

I tried three bars and was asked immediately "You want short time?" I mean, not even a chance to sit down. Guess that's the way it goes. Asked to grab a drink and decide, no problem. But whole time I was drinking girls asking me ST ST ST. Never a chance to finish a single cup of juice. Asked how long is ST? Told 1 hour. Said my friend got a bit longer, time raised to 2 hours. Now I will say, while the girls were in my room, they didn't try to rush out, but still, I didn't get the laxed vibe "come back whenever you want" stuff. Quoted long time at 1400 pesos,"bring back tomorrow". Didn't get a time on that, but since it was around 11 am and then 1 pm, still a pretty long time.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1309779]LOL you are seriously thinking of BYO in AC? No offense but unless you have a bi supermodel type then forget it.[/QUOTE]Thanks McDon. I've been doing a heap of RTFF since I first posted my thoughts. I'm probably over analysing the situation. Can't imagine I'll be too lonely in AC.

One thing that has come up is an overnight work trip to Manila during my stay. For that I might ask an AC lady to be a joiner on that trip. Will be late by the time I finish and it just makes things easier.

Yep, Pinay are very quick to adopt to situations. I admit to originally being cautious about my marital status with pinay. Now I just tell them, the shrug their shoulders and just keep on going.

BD

[QUOTE=Mc Don; 1309779]No offense but unless you have a bi supermodel type then forget it.

Like I said unless you have something that is really really special bringing a chick in AC is just not worth it.[/QUOTE]Does a bi FHM model count McD?

Been to AC and got the shirt. Now if I go there is BYO as can go girl hunting to relieve the stress. Yummy. And she does like girls and does attract attention purely because of her figure (and what she wears)

Also a recently converted nursing student who lives AC. But not a FHM model. But is accetpably sexy and horny especially in 5" heels etc

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1309863]Does a bi FHM model count McD?

Been to AC and got the shirt. Now if I go there is BYO as can go girl hunting to relieve the stress. Yummy. And she does like girls and does attract attention purely because of her figure (and what she wears)

Also a recently converted nursing student who lives AC. But not a FHM model. But is accetpably sexy and horny especially in 5" heels etc[/QUOTE]Tell me you have photos to post.

; )

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1309863]Does a bi FHM model count McD?

Been to AC and got the shirt. Now if I go there is BYO as can go girl hunting to relieve the stress. Yummy. And she does like girls and does attract attention purely because of her figure (and what she wears)

Also a recently converted nursing student who lives AC. But not a FHM model. But is accetpably sexy and horny especially in 5" heels etc[/QUOTE]Only if she is a girlfriend of the month WR, the bar has to be set higher for experienced campers LOL.

Post was aimed at what seems like a newbie who has never been to AC. I am sure those that have been there and seen it all know what to expect and if that no longer excites them they either don't bother at all any more or find ways to make it fun again. I am sort of in between, love it for few days do many as I can and then take my FHM model of to a better place. God bless air asia, cheap and reliable flights from AC to Bora, Davao and Palawan with few more to go in the next 12 months.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1309787]Why am I here? Bucket list, wanted to see the place, short and cheap flight from Japan, easy access to sex.

I didn't say I am adverse to P4P, I'm just not really into bars. For me, bars are not fun places, in the Philippines or anywhere else. I don't want to sit in some dark dungeon breathing in cigarette smoke (even if there are pretty girls in bikinis or nude doing a semi-dance zombie stagger on stage while dreaming about being anywhere else but there) with outdated 1980's music playing that wasn't even good when it came out, watching guys get fall down drunk. There's just no fun in any of that for me.

I've had a lot of sex in my time, about half pay and the other half "personal life" scores. So don't get me wrong, I like the fun and convenience of P4P. But I think the Angeles way of doing things is just too hardcore for me.

It's just not my scene. To each his own.

I usually go for spas / massage / anma type places where I can take my time and choose a girl, where the set up is all ready (walk in, pay a set fee, have a girl come to your room / booth / etc) or, at least, the casual bars of some places in Latin America where you can sit and chat for a while. For me, the apex of what P4P can be is the relaxation of the Macau Spas.

Of course there are many pretty girls here, many nice girls, and I will try to fit in as much as possible to enjoy my time here. But going by my experience so far, I would probably never return. Thanks again for the continued help and advice.[/QUOTE]My sugestion is enjoy AC for what it is. Next time you are in phils have a look at QC and QC Avenue. Thats probably the place for you.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1309792]I just want to say, re: Ramos street, that I had a little different experience than WC on my two visits for ST today. It could be that WC is better at talking to the mama, negotiating, is a regular, etc, or maybe I am a total idiot and / or dick. The latter is plenty probable.

I tried three bars and was asked immediately "You want short time?" I mean, not even a chance to sit down. Guess that's the way it goes. Asked to grab a drink and decide, no problem. But whole time I was drinking girls asking me ST ST ST. Never a chance to finish a single cup of juice. Asked how long is ST? Told 1 hour. Said my friend got a bit longer, time raised to 2 hours. Now I will say, while the girls were in my room, they didn't try to rush out, but still, I didn't get the laxed vibe "come back whenever you want" stuff. Quoted long time at 1400 pesos,"bring back tomorrow". Didn't get a time on that, but since it was around 11 am and then 1 pm, still a pretty long time.[/QUOTE]Its NORMAL for them to come at you in Santos especially that early in the day. They all want to break their duck and you are coming at a time when they just want to serve you as quick as possible and go to the next one hance why the 1hr offer. By letting them bombard you with their crap they probably have you pegged as a newbie. Politely tell them that you want a drink and that then you will chose. Pick who you want talk to her or talk to mamasan and make your enquiries about the girl. Be as open as possible. You know the prices and the time limits so make sure you push for that and except nothing less. You are reading the forum so I hope you are applying the advise given to you. Don't be soft with them Santos they don't respect that, especially not on Santos.

Have fun

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1309888]My sugestion is enjoy AC for what it is. Next time you are in phils have a look at QC and QC Avenue. Thats probably the place for you.[/QUOTE]What's the price of pussy in this area?

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1309898]What's the price of pussy in this area?[/QUOTE]Haven't been to QC Ave for a while but I was in near by Timog Sqare in Feb. Cheapest pick up on the street 500p ST. Prices in the area go from 500 to 5-6000 in some of the top KTV joints. Plenty of massage places along QC Ave as well.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1309906]Haven't been to QC Ave for a while but I was in near by Timog Sqare in Feb. Cheapest pick up on the street 500p ST. Prices in the area go from 500 to 5-6000 in some of the top KTV joints. Plenty of massage places along QC Ave as well.[/QUOTE]Whats the street scene like?

[QUOTE=Mc Don; 1309885]Only if she is a girlfriend of the month WR, the bar has to be set higher for experienced campers LOL.

Post was aimed at what seems like a newbie who has never been to AC. I am sure those that have been there and seen it all know what to expect and if that no longer excites them they either don't bother at all any more or find ways to make it fun again. I am sort of in between, love it for few days do many as I can and then take my FHM model of to a better place. God bless air asia, cheap and reliable flights from AC to Bora, Davao and Palawan with few more to go in the next 12 months.[/QUOTE]LOL.

I know and was just trying to add some humour. Not sure if she was the babe of the month but I won't reveal too much in case the one handed typist brigade try to PM me (slowly as one hand) for her contacts which are kept very secret.

I agree that the budget airlines in Asia make life so nice though spending a tad more on a bikini is worth while IMHO especialy when you see her figure in it (well popping out in it LOL)

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1309898]What's the price of pussy in this area?[/QUOTE]Referring to QC?

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1309971]Whats the street scene like?[/QUOTE]Post these in the Manila thread?

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1308589]Not odd at all. The time spent (on purpose) was to show you we expect you to spend at least a few hours researching, then going there and posting your significant experiences, before asking questions on the open board. Feel free to PM some of us. What your post and previous background said, was,"Hey, I'm not quite a newb. Help me out here. Please ignore the fact that I've been around for years, only taking information, not giving back."[/QUOTE]I think Westcoast has some good points. To fully participate on this board-if you monger, you need to report. It is a basic premise of the forum. I guarantee you that if I get to Angeles City, I'm filing a TR. And unfortunately I have spent many hours "researching" on ISG! If that means I don't have a "life", sue me!

How safe is the area around Marquis Hotel (Rizal Street corner Plaridel Street) at night?

Have taken four girls out so far. Two LT from Fields (1800 bf both times) , two ST from side streets (700 bf). Literally all four of these girls had deflated saggy tits and areolas the size of small pancakes, and two had a bit of bad odour coming from below (nothing terrible, but definitely noticeable). The girls were all nice, varying levels of sexual services, mainly good. But I am having bad luck in the body department for sure.

I just have to keep trying, because for me it simply seems too crude to ask the girls to see their tits in the bars (if they look terrible, I would then do what, tell them to get away from me? Too much of a dick move for me to pull off).

Are there any places with "guaranteed" higher level girls -- at least with perky tits! -- in AC? I'm willing to pay a premium to save on hassle.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1310126]I just have to keep trying, because for me it simply seems too crude to ask the girls to see their tits in the bars (if they look terrible, I would then do what, tell them to get away from me? Too much of a dick move for me to pull off).

Are there any places with "guaranteed" higher level girls. At least with perky tits!. In AC? I'm willing to pay a premium to save on hassle.[/QUOTE]Buy them a drink, talk to them feel them up, if not what you like tell her and don't worry about it. Most will understand and even try to set you up with a friend that has what you are looking for. The drink+small tip is more then ENOUGH. You are NOT a dick to do so.

No place is guaranteed but you may want to check out ponytails.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1310126]Have taken four girls out so far. Two LT from Fields (1800 bf both times) , two ST from side streets (700 bf). Literally all four of these girls had deflated saggy tits and areolas the size of small pancakes, and two had a bit of bad odour coming from below (nothing terrible, but definitely noticeable).

Are there any places with "guaranteed" higher level girls. At least with perky tits. In AC? I'm willing to pay a premium to save on hassle.[/QUOTE]Tough luck RR, but maybe you can improve your luck by recalibrating your selection process. Try to focus on fresher, younger looking girls, girls with natural A and B cups, and girls with less makeup. I assure you there are plenty of cuties around with perky tits and fresh pussy's in AC. I like Body Shop and Pony Tails and have had good luck with lookers from Golden Nile and La Pasha. Lost in Asia specializes in girls with small round perky tits. I hate smelly pussy and I don't like to fuck it. Fortunately I have never had the displeasure in AC. The last smelly pussy I encountered was with a Greek girl in Amsterdam; pretty girl, lousy 60eu experience. I had just spent an hour in Green House coffee shop prior to meeting her, so my thinking cap was not exactly on straight and I shagged Miss Athena anyway despite her hygiene problem. Ugh! I made up for it the next night by shagging a pretty blond Dutch girl.

R. R. 's report has gotten me thinking and asking myself the question: how many smelly pussy's have I encountered in the last few years mongering? Now if memory serves me right, I have had only 2 smelly girls out of more than 100 girls shagged. Furthermore, I have never found / barfined / shagged a smelly pussy in PI, Thailand, HKG, or Macau. In fact, if truth be told, on a few occasions (around 10) some of my girls have had such beautiful, sweet pussys, that I have gone down on them or engaged in a 69.

I did barfine one girl out of Rose Bar in Phnom Penh who had very smelly pussy. She was part of a 2 girl ménage I picked up that night. Both girls were lookers, but when smelly's panties came off, surprise surprise. The other girl was fantastic and was as fresh as a daisy, so I shagged the fresh daisy girl 3 times and only let smelly blow me a couple of times. Nobody at the party mentioned the foul odor and I tipped both girls $25 each. The next night I went one on one with the fresh scent girl.

My only other encounter in the last 3 years was with the Greek girl in the Amsterdam red light district. I shagged her, but it was kind of distasteful. I should have punted. Oh well, water under the dam. I have been subsequently tested twice and I am 100% OK.

So my score is 2/100 (or 2/120). I am guessing this is a fairly represetative stat and what most of us have experienced. Let the forum know your stat.

I encountered a similar thing last year in Siem Reap in Cambodia. I was ready for the act and suddenly I could smell the pussy of the girl and it was stinking. What a put off. I had to let the girl go.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1310266]how many smelly pussy's have I encountered in the last few years mongering?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1310126]Are there any places with "guaranteed" higher level girls -- at least with perky tits! -- in AC? I'm willing to pay a premium to save on hassle.[/QUOTE]Kind of a dream. Its like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates: you never know what you're going to get. Best bet, enter a bar with lots of girls, buy a mamasan a drink. I use this as a tool: its one LD (150-300p) , but its invaluable information. She will tell you pretty much anything you want to know about which of her girls will do what, and what they are like. You may have to sacrifice one thing to get another. For instance, say, you also like anal. The girl with the perky tits might not do that. You don't need to pay a premium, the barfine should cover her services. Also, tell the mama you will tip her, say. 500, (the next day!) if the girl works out. Most mamas don't like to not get that tip.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1310266]Furthermore, I have never found / barfined / shagged a smelly pussy in PI, Thailand, HKG, or Macau.

T.[/QUOTE]BF 1-2 girls in AC and Subic that smelled like rotten fish. Don't know if its because of end or begin of period or just had the clap (STD). Trouble is that already BF and some bars will not take back girls for refund. Worse smeller was last year in Manila at one of the bars. Thialand so far have not gotten a smeller yet. For the smelly ones, I ALWAYS put on extra protection just to be safe.

Can't say much for HK or Macau as I've never pick up there yet (too expensive for my meager budget).

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1310291]Also, tell the mama you will tip her, say. 500, (the next day!) if the girl works out. Most mamas don't like to not get that tip.[/QUOTE]Hi WC1,

Think this is way up on the high side as 500p is not even something I normally give the girl herself for being a good performer (200p is my norm.).

I usually only give about 100p to the mama + don't forget if you have given her a LD then you have already given her more peso.

Just my POV.