Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1281709]Me thinks it's obvious. They get a cut of the drink she is bought. The higher the drink, the more money they get out of your wallet, LOL.[/QUOTE]A lot of the shots of tequila ordered as ladydrinks in Go-Go Bars are just water with a little tequila "flavor."

The bar owners push the girls to "sell" this moneymaker. It also helps the girls to stay sober, and working, longer.

Mamasans will often give the girls a hard time if they order something else.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1281796]A lot of the shots of tequila ordered as ladydrinks in Go-Go Bars are just water with a little tequila "flavor."The bar owners push the girls to "sell" this moneymaker. It also helps the girls to stay sober, and working, longer. Mamasans will often give the girls a hard time if they order something else.[/QUOTE]I agree. Tequila, just as vodka, is a clear liquor. You can have a full glass of water and claim it is tequila (at its price). Just as gin. If you notice they all prefer these clear liquors or, as an alternative, a coloured cocktail. Cocktails, for whatever reason, no matter what they contain, are on the high end of bar prices. So they put some "flavouring" drops of the real liquor, in case the customer wants to feel the smell and the job is done. A reason is also the fact that bar girls, if doing their job properly, could drink at least 10 glasses per night. I can't imagine a long life to their liver if they do that with strong drinks. Probably not even by drinking 10 cokes a night!

I tasted a few times the lady drink and tasted of "next to nothing", even if she was claiming "gin and tonic" or whatever.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1281796]A lot of the shots of tequila ordered as ladydrinks in Go-Go Bars are just water with a little tequila "flavor."

The bar owners push the girls to "sell" this moneymaker. It also helps the girls to stay sober, and working, longer.

Mamasans will often give the girls a hard time if they order something else.[/QUOTE]The irritating part is that the girl downs the drink in one gulp leaving her customer feeling obligated to buy her another one to keep her on his lap.

I think the girls order these shots when they want to spend as little time as possible with the customer. When they order a regular lady drink they'll spend more time with you.

[quote=daddy07;1281857]the irritating part is that the girl downs the drink in one gulp leaving her customer feeling obligated to buy her another one to keep her on his lap.[/quote]that is the trick of the(ir) trade. up to us to control it, maybe linking their drink (speed) to your drinking speed. so if she asks for another ld, just tell her she is going to get one when you order yours next. she will forcely have to slow her drinking pace. either she gets the message or she leaves, nothing regrettable as it means she is not going otbe any good anyhwo as too greedy and interested to easu and quick money. her choice of a strategy on how to earn money, your choice to decide yours as you are the customer.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1279624]First, I don't agree on your assessment of what is going on and the quality. Also, so you think 700-900 is too much? What type of shit holes do you stay in?[/QUOTE]Not everyone is rich, Luvpuss. I would be happier with the 350 I was paying ten years ago.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1281904]Not everyone is rich, Luvpuss. I would be happier with the 350 I was paying ten years ago.[/QUOTE]I got it, but there are still places for that. There is a decent one on Soi Post Office for 300. Includes aircon.

I don't remember the name, but a girl took me there. It was 100 ST and 300 for 24 hrs.

If you can't find a cheaper place I bet the girls can help you find.

[QUOTE=LuvnLatinas; 1276602]Sorry about that. It should have been Dream Teen Massage in Pattaya not Love Teen in Bangkok. No idea why I mixed them up. I won't be in BKK until next week.

[url]http://www.dream-teen-pattaya.com/ladies.html[/url][/QUOTE]Dream Teen is ok, if you like big tits try Ao, she is a nice friendly girl.

I opted for the balls massage but that seemed to be nothing more than a light rub.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1281822]I agree. Tequila, just as vodka, is a clear liquor. You can have a full glass of water and claim it is tequila (at its price). Just as gin. If you notice they all prefer these clear liquors or, as an alternative, a coloured cocktail. Cocktails, for whatever reason, no matter what they contain, are on the high end of bar prices. So they put some "flavouring" drops of the real liquor, in case the customer wants to feel the smell and the job is done. A reason is also the fact that bar girls, if doing their job properly, could drink at least 10 glasses per night. I can't imagine a long life to their liver if they do that with strong drinks. Probably not even by drinking 10 cokes a night!

I tasted a few times the lady drink and tasted of "next to nothing", even if she was claiming "gin and tonic" or whatever.[/QUOTE]Try the drinksometimes. No taste, just returnas it is not what you ordered. They will stopit there and then. Forthat night.

[QUOTE=IslandMan27;1281627]And what's with bar girls and tequila? Is that the only other liquor they drink down there? Every time I mentioned vodka shot instead of that Thai tequila, I get some reply that vodka makes the girls feel dizzier / crazier? So, the ones I've met, they all prefer something else over vodka.[/QUOTE]Why do you care what they are drinking?

Does someone know if The PRIVI Hotel is girl friendly?

Hi,

I am coming to Pattaya next week. Does anyone know about guest policy at centara Pattaya hotel. Do they charge or allow overnight guests?

[QUOTE=Bab Com;1282185]Does someone know if The PRIVI Hotel is girl friendly?[/QUOTE]If you're talking about the place on the mall next to the Royal Garden shopping centre. Yes they are. I've had no problem bringing girls there. On one occasion two girls.

[QUOTE=Bab Com;1282185]Does someone know if The PRIVI Hotel is girl friendly?[/QUOTE]Good location, yes it is girl friendly but always double check when you book. There is no pool but good location. But if you need a pool move on unless it is for cheap?

LBM

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1282016]Why do you care what they are drinking?[/QUOTE]If you are paying for it then why wouldn't you care? Unless you don't mind just being another farang getting ripped off.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1281822]I agree. Tequila, just as vodka, is a clear liquor. You can have a full glass of water and claim it is tequila (at its price). Just as gin. If you notice they all prefer these clear liquors or, as an alternative, a coloured cocktail. Cocktails, for whatever reason, no matter what they contain, are on the high end of bar prices. So they put some "flavouring" drops of the real liquor, in case the customer wants to feel the smell and the job is done. A reason is also the fact that bar girls, if doing their job properly, could drink at least 10 glasses per night. I can't imagine a long life to their liver if they do that with strong drinks. Probably not even by drinking 10 cokes a night!

I tasted a few times the lady drink and tasted of "next to nothing", even if she was claiming "gin and tonic" or whatever.[/QUOTE]I always swap the shots over, hers for mine and wait for the reaction. This way if they are drinking the watered down version the next ones will be the same. I also like to order 3 or more, then I'll do the quick shuffle, it's Russian roulette time. LOL

[QUOTE=Fryatuck;1282606]I always swap the shots over, hers for mine and wait for the reaction. This way if they are drinking the watered down version the next ones will be the same. I also like to order 3 or more, then I'll do the quick shuffle, it's Russian roulette time. LOL[/QUOTE]Ah ah ah hilarious and smart.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1282294]If you are paying for it then why wouldn't you care? Unless you don't mind just being another farang getting ripped off.[/QUOTE]I don't care in the least. You do not pay for the drink, you pay for the girl being with you for the time approximately it takes her to finish the drink in a polite way.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1282915]I don't care in the least. You do not pay for the drink, you pay for the girl being with you for the time approximately it takes her to finish the drink in a polite way.[/QUOTE]AAgreed Wolvenvacht. I'm sure Mr. E doesn't even buy lady drinks. The girls are queuing up to buy him drinks.

This may be the first time I've seen moral outrage about the contents of a drink. Punters are paying for the ladies' time; not for the contents of the drink. What's the big deal?

GE

How can one make a comparative judgement decision unless you know what you are buying (is the drink diluted) , that is what most people do whether it is food, ladies or service it is all a judgement call. The more information you have, the more informed is the decision.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1282952]This may be the first time I've seen moral outrage about the contents of a drink. Punters are paying for the ladies' time; not for the contents of the drink. What's the big deal?

GE[/QUOTE]Fair enough, then charge 100baht each 15' and All sorted.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1283019]Fair enough, then charge 100baht each 15' and All sorted.[/QUOTE]That is indeed more or less what they do.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1283019]Fair enough, then charge 100baht each 15' and All sorted.[/QUOTE]I don't buy lady drinks. But if I was a lady drink buying type of guy then I would go your route and arrange for the girl to sit 15 minutes for 50 baht if I wanted company instead of paying for fake drinks. 15 minutes is 15 minutes, but a lady drink, whatever the contents, can disappear in the blink of an eye after which you will be solicited to buy more.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1283171]I don't buy lady drinks. But if I was a lady drink buying type of guy then I would go your route and arrange for the girl to sit 15 minutes for 50 baht if I wanted company instead of paying for fake drinks. 15 minutes is 15 minutes, but a lady drink, whatever the contents, can disappear in the blink of an eye after which you will be solicited to buy more.[/QUOTE]That's funny. I've heard of negotiating for long time and short time when bar fining girls for takeout, but I've never heard of negotiating for 15 minutes of a girl's time in the bar to sit with you. Sometimes just one lady drink is good for an hour or more. It just depends on whether there is good chemistry and sanook.

I think a girl might be put off by a customer negotiating for 15 minutes of drink time, but if it works, go for it. I'll just take my chances. If she gulps it down and runs, that's the last lady drink she'll get from me. If she sticks around and pays attention to me, she just might get barfined.

Really, the only good reason to buy a lady drink for a girl is if you are interested in bar fining her and want to get acquainted before closing the deal, or if you have a favorite girl who's lots of fun it's worth a few lady drinks even if you don't bar fine her.

Lady drinks are the main source of profit for go-go bars; far more for the bar than bar fines or customer drinks. They profit nicely because the lady drinks are cheap for the bar and expensive for the customer. If it weren't' for lady drinks, they couldn't stay in business and we'd be losing out. I don't mind buying a few if I really like the girl and she likes me.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1283189]Really, the only good reason to buy a lady drink for a girl is if you are interested in bar fining her and want to get acquainted before closing the deal, or if you have a favorite girl who's lots of fun it's worth a few lady drinks even if you don't bar fine her.[/QUOTE]Agree.

Also, if a guy can't afford a lady drink then there's no reason to go to a gogo anyways. The pussy in the gogos, especially these days, is far more expensive than on the street. So if a guy is strapped, then what's he doing in the gogo anyways?

Gogos are designed to extract as much money out of punters as possible.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1283019]Fair enough, then charge 100baht each 15' and All sorted.[/QUOTE]If you don't like the set up of the gogo, then don't go in them! I pretty much avoid them because they are a rip off and the girls are nothing but a bunch of spoiled sharks.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1283244]If you don't like the set up of the gogo, then don't go in them! I pretty much avoid them because they are a rip off and the girls are nothing but a bunch of spoiled sharks.[/QUOTE]Yes, but where else can you go to enjoy the prettiest girls in the vicinity strip naked or semi-naked and dance inches away from your face for your viewing pleasure while you sit in air-conditioned comfort sipping on your favorite drink with no obligation whatsoever to purchase lady drinks or bar fine girls?

For my money the go-go bars are the best and most economical option for the kind of entertainment I like. You can't beat the happy hour prices from 8-9:30 or 10pm. I can arrive at a bar at opening time and enjoy two hours of lovely naked girls showing off their goods and go home having spent only 200 baht.

If I want to splurge a bit I can buy lady drinks and have a young beauty sitting on my lap for awhile which is well worth the price of a lady drink. Yes, bar fining and taking them for sex is relatively expensive compared to other options, but it's hard to find better looking girls on beach road or the beer bars.

I have my regulars servicing me in the daytime, some of whom are go-go girls, for a fraction of the cost they normally command at work, so I feel no need to buy lady drinks or bar fine girls in the bar unless I find a new one to my liking. It's a great way to find quality regulars.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1283244]If you don't like the set up of the gogo, then don't go in them![/QUOTE]Unless you are a masochist of course!

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1283244]I pretty much avoid them because they are a rip off and the girls are nothing but a bunch of spoiled sharks.[/QUOTE]I think that is a gross generalization and therefore not true. In Bangkok my best experiences were with girls I took from an agogo. There are so many variables to consider. Even if you take the same girl twice from the same location, nothing guarantees the same performance. Maybe her favourite waterbuffalo just got ill now and she needs extra money to get "into the mood" this time.

You guys are making this discussion more painful than it needs to be. The gogos in Pattaya have some of the finest women in SEA dancing (IMHO) , even though most of them can't dance worth a shit. I love watching the girls at Happy, Baccara, and many of the other clubs. Do I barfine them, no, but I love watching them. But when it comes to places that I know the Mamasans, such as X-Zone, Babydolls, and Champions, it is a different story. The girls know that I know their employer and do their best to impress the Mamasans, through my reporting back to them. And yes, I can be just as happy playing with a girl from one of the discos, the Coconut Bar, the outdoor bars, or Soi 6 as well. Damn, Pattaya has so many options, that is what makes it one of the best mongering places in the world. But if you disagree, I'm open to learn about better places; so please chime in.

Mr. E, see you in July!

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1283244]If you don't like the set up of the gogo, then don't go in them! I pretty much avoid them because they are a rip off and the girls are nothing but a bunch of spoiled sharks.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, I am not a cheap Charlie. I don't waste the money and spend wisely, but I personally don't care about a few bucks as some do. If one spends a few hundreds or more to come and stay, I think it is non sense to worry for differences that back home don't even pay for a coke. The rate is the rate, the tip is the reward for the performance. So I keep the rate at its due level, leaving the tip (maybe generous) as an incentive. At the end the girl might get more than usual, as a whole, but she knows part of it is not to be taken for granted.

The debate on LD was merely social talks than discussing how many proof of alcohol is in the glass. I am the first to offer a LD as I know I reward her for her time. And I know the price of the LD has not much to do with the content. I can't expect any one to drink 10 times a night of whatever drink, probably even bottles of water, every night as part of the job. They somehow have to, so let's them have a mild and harmless drink that bring some money in their pockets.

The debate on LD was merely social talks than discussing how many proof of alcohol is in the glass. I am the first to offer a LD as I know I reward her for her time. And I know the price of the LD has not much to do with the content. I can't expect any one to drink 10 times a night of whatever drink, probably even bottles of water, every night as part of the job. They somehow have to, so let's them have a mild and harmless drink that bring some money in their pockets.[/QUOTE]Sorry can't agree I used to frequent the Cowboy bar at junction soi yamato and 2nd road, the girls there where pleasent attentive as any where else, had the cheapest beer for a beer bar but there was no premium on getting a drink for the ladies (17 girls some times) consequently, if you got asked for a drink it was cause the girl wanted a drink, I used to run a open tab for the girls if they wanted a drink they just put the chit in my bin never got taken advantage of.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1283231]Having said that buying ladydrinks gets old real fast after you buy one and lady has to go toilet and never comes back.[/QUOTE]When you're ready to pay, call over the mama-san or manager, explain what happened, and have the drink taken off your tab. I've done this probably half a dozen times over the years and there's never been a problem. And having the girl glare at you as you walk out is a free bonus.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1283231]Having said that buying ladydrinks gets old real fast after you buy one and lady has to go toilet and never comes back. LOL.[/QUOTE]Well, that is less bad than she goes with you and gives you a starfish experience in your room. I would consider such a ladydrink a good investment indeed.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1283250]Yes, bar fining and taking them for sex is relatively expensive compared to other options, but it's hard to find better looking girls on beach road or the beer bars.[/QUOTE]A few years ago this wasn't an issue, but today most, if not all, the good looking girls have flocked to the gogos. So this is why you see guys complaining about LD's on this board. Most old school non-gogo patronizers are now being driven into the gogos in search of decent looking girls at a minimum, and are starting to feel the pain of spending more than before. Amazing Thailand!

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1283621]A few years ago this wasn't an issue, but today most, if not all, the good looking girls have flocked to the gogos. So this is why you see guys complaining about LD's on this board. Most old school non-gogo patronizers are now being driven into the gogos in search of decent looking girls at a minimum, and are starting to feel the pain of spending more than before. Amazing Thailand![/QUOTE]But if you look at it from the lady's perspective, She's young and Attractive, the lifespan of her being a cutie will fade in a few years so why not go to the GOGOs? Get more money while she can?

Also, going to the gogo bars, she is more likely to find a man who stays in a decent hotel and won't ***** over a $4 drink.

She has all the time in the world for that when she gets older (she will) , she will move on to the regular beer bars and meet with the average Pattaya Joe (scary, I know) but she'll get used to it. Few years later, if drugs or STD don't catch up to her, she'll be on Beach Road for a 4th of the price she charges now.

Hi,

I hope that it's OK to ask in this thread: I'd like to hear from those of you who live in Bang Saen or are very familiar with the scene here. I'm aware of the 2 big "entertainment" complexes in town but it's not really my style (not a soapie / bowl type of guy).

Are there massage places (or other types of venues for that matter) where they might cater and have in-house and (that'd be nice) take-out service? Week-ends I can go to Patts, and I know that whatever is there will be geared to a Thai clientele.

Any advice welcome.

Phil

[QUOTE=Hobbit12; 1282207]Hi,

I am coming to Pattaya next week. Does anyone know about guest policy at centara Pattaya hotel. Do they charge or allow overnight guests?[/QUOTE]Hi,

I have palns to go Pattaya on Sat. 26 May 12, from KL, M'sia. Unfortunately, my friend had to defer his trip, so I am thinking hard to go solo. Is it possible for me to tag along with you or yr team?

Anyway. Attention senior bros, Is it OK to go solo in Pattaya?

Appreciate senior bro's feedback.

Rgds.

Richard

[QUOTE=Richard9429; 1284233]Hi,

I have palns to go Pattaya on Sat. 26 May 12, from KL, M'sia. Unfortunately, my friend had to defer his trip, so I am thinking hard to go solo. Is it possible for me to tag along with you or yr team?

Anyway. Attention senior bros, Is it OK to go solo in Pattaya?

Appreciate senior bro's feedback.

Rgds.

Richard[/QUOTE]Richard,

I will be in Pattaya on the 31th for for around 8 days. This will be a solo trip for me also. If you are still there and need a wingman let me know.

Ej

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1283171]I don't buy lady drinks. But if I was a lady drink buying type of guy then I would go your route and arrange for the girl to sit 15 minutes for 50 baht if I wanted company instead of paying for fake drinks. 15 minutes is 15 minutes, but a lady drink, whatever the contents, can disappear in the blink of an eye after which you will be solicited to buy more.[/QUOTE]Totally Agree! 300 bt is a daily 11-12 hour wage. I am not here to support bar owners being screwed by sky high rents (mostly Walking Street). If the lady feels 15 minute is too long pass. And thank your lucky stars you just avoided a starfish. Oh did I mention ex-pats get a MUCH lower price, and more 'service'. I'm afraid the secret is out. Gogo girls are 100% in it for the money.

And feelings rarely enter the equation. 40% of BF paid to the girl, usually, plus a LD 'Quota' that once exceeded, the girl will vanish unless she thinks you are a whale or a japan mark. Sucker.

[QUOTE=Keeniu; 1284572]Totally Agree! 300 bt is a daily 11-12 hour wage. I am not here to support bar owners being screwed by sky high rents (mostly Walking Street). If the lady feels 15 minute is too long pass. And thank your lucky stars you just avoided a starfish. Oh did I mention ex-pats get a MUCH lower price, and more 'service'. I'm afraid the secret is out. Gogo girls are 100% in it for the money.

And feelings rarely enter the equation. 40% of BF paid to the girl, usually, plus a LD 'Quota' that once exceeded, the girl will vanish unless she thinks you are a whale or a japan mark. Sucker.[/QUOTE]Correction on your sarcasm, Expats do not get lower prices when it comes to Walking Street! My tab is the same as everyones whether they visit many times or just for a moment! What I might get being a frequent customer to a place is more consideration getting me a better seat or location to view the girls especially if it is pack. As for service I'm not exactly sure but my feeling and experience tells me that if they know you are a expat and frequent the place they are more incline to stay longer with you drinking instead of hit and run. They know we have all the time in the world and will come back. Of course from the beginning to the end it is about the money!

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1284788]Correction on your sarcasm, Expats do not get lower prices when it comes to Walking Street! My tab is the same as everyones whether they visit many times or just for a moment![/QUOTE]I was about to say, if that was the case then me, Dark Vader, and Amex got screwed in Babydoll's last night. My Coke Zero was 85 baht and the pu ying that I brought to the club's water was 85 baht. I did sample Amex's dancer's whiskey and soda last night much to her objection: 2 drops of whiskey for coloring and a glass full of soda water. Tasted like shit. That guy was so damn funny. He introduced himself to the girl shaking her hand and saying,"Hi, I'm Cheap Charlie."

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1284788]Correction on your sarcasm, Expats do not get lower prices when it comes to Walking Street! My tab is the same as everyones whether they visit many times or just for a moment![/QUOTE]I think the statement was referring more towards the price for sex.

Do expats get cheaper sex than the regular tourist? Well, if he is a smart cunning expat, then "yes". If he pays 2k ST, then it's obvious he is not very smart or cunning.

Thais really don't give a shit if you're an expat or not, contrary to popular belief. They only care about how much you spend! It's just that MOST expats are able to play the "game" better than the rookies, thus getting better prices.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1284857]I think the statement was referring more towards the price for sex.

Do expats get cheaper sex than the regular tourist? Well, if he is a smart cunning expat, then "yes". If he pays 2k ST, then it's obvious he is not very smart or cunning.

Thais really don't give a shit if you're an expat or not, contrary to popular belief. They only care about how much you spend! It's just that MOST expats are able to play the "game" better than the rookies, thus getting better prices.[/QUOTE]And I have always found being able to speak enough Thai and Issan helps in getting them to bed for a reasonable price and time.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1284857]I think the statement was referring more towards the price for sex.

Do expats get cheaper sex than the regular tourist? Well, if he is a smart cunning expat, then "yes". If he pays 2k ST, then it's obvious he is not very smart or cunning.

Thais really don't give a shit if you're an expat or not, contrary to popular belief. They only care about how much you spend! It's just that MOST expats are able to play the "game" better than the rookies, thus getting better prices.[/QUOTE]Sorry I beg to differ! My response to the quote was a continuing conversation regarding LD particularly at GoGos on WS. Most of his post one can clearly see the references to the time one spends if a LD was purchased only with the reference with WS.

So its is about the drink then a reference is followed regarding sex " starfish " performance.

I might be wrong here though? But I perceived his remarks regarding Expats lower prices and more services as sarcasm to those who freguent the dabate that those just visiting are paying too much. I don't care one way or another but the label of " price police " comes to mind and not saying your are wrong but that phrase comes to mind whenever you post?

When you say they don't give a shit I beg to differ there too? Some do! That is why questions like " where you from, how long you stay, and is this your first time here " they are playing their games that is why you yourself need to play the game " better than the rookies "! The conversation was about LD, and service being provided in GoGos, and it is common knowledge that most of these places the girls ask for 2000ST / 3000LT, and rarely move from that range and if a Expat or anyone can get them for less I say more power to them. They do give a shit how much you spend and a smart girl wouldn't put all her eggs into one basket and work on just tourist a smart one knows her regular customers who might not BF them but buy them a drink knowing they just want some company and a cheap feel to up their egos and then off to the next gogo! I have seen many regulars that come into gogos and sit and have a great time. The girls know who they are and play along to get their drinks knowing there isn't any barfine in the guy but happy to get the drink. If they didn't give a shit there wouldn't be a game for us to learn? We are talking about WS, you have expanded the conversation to freelancers outside of this area?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1284974]When you say they don't give a shit I beg to differ there too? Some do! That is why questions like " where you from, how long you stay, and is this your first time here " they are playing their games that is why you yourself need to play the game " better than the rookies "!

LBM[/QUOTE]Yes, you are correct.

What I meant by my statement is that they don't necessarily "like" expats more outside of the financial transaction (they may put on an act like they do only to foster more transactions). You're still an atm machine to them whether you live in LOS or just visited for the first time.

This mongering trip I have mostly been in Bangkok but choosed to head down for Pattaya (so I can say: been there, done that!) 1 day.

My goal was to compare Insomnia Pattaya to Insomnia Bangkok and to see if the VIP card (from Bangkok Ins.) was as useless as it is in BKK.

Enough about the "VIP" card. Insomnia Pattaya (in my country some fellow countrymen call Pattaya Pattis, hehe) was great. When I say great I talk about the girls. I have never, except from some events in Bed and Supper and in some Hi So clubs in RCA area, seen so much quality material. I was to confused to choose myself (normaly I do) so I ask the staff, after buying a bottle with vodka (absolute) , to go get me some company. They ofcourse arrived back with Insomnia staff girls (having to dance every 30 minutes. But eventually they will come back to your place). I turned them down. Then I saw this stunner standing some 10 mts from me smiling and I smiled back and waved her in. Her name was "One" (hehe don't give a shit actually but she told me so).165cm nice skin and a great body with not to big fake boobs.

This freelancelady I would recommend. Not for cheap charlies (but I choosed to give her good taxicompensation when she head back home next afternoon) I hope. She diserves better. We had great time and me having been to some (not many) GG past years she is the best I`ve both seen and done so far in Asia. Except my GF in Norway ofcourse also from Asia (hehe). I am sorry to say she was not in photoshootmood but she did everything else (also a little backdoorentrance).

She did not mind go bareback but I did not. Better keep safe (yeah yeah I know what some are going to say now).

Wow

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1284984]Yes, you are correct.

What I meant by my statement is that they don't necessarily "like" expats more outside of the financial transaction (they may put on an act like they do only to foster more transactions). You're still an atm machine to them whether you live in LOS or just visited for the first time.[/QUOTE]Your got that right! We are ATMs for sure I usually tell the girls this machine only dispense in bed.

LBM

Oh no, the "Colours of the East" festival will this year be 2-5 August, when I'm in Pattaya. All of Beach Road will be full with stands well into the night. No FL action.

[QUOTE=Richard9429; 1284233]Hi,

I have palns to go Pattaya on Sat. 26 May 12, from KL, M'sia. Unfortunately, my friend had to defer his trip, so I am thinking hard to go solo. Is it possible for me to tag along with you or yr team?

Anyway. Attention senior bros, Is it OK to go solo in Pattaya?

Appreciate senior bro's feedback.

Rgds.

Richard[/QUOTE]I've been 11 times. Except for once with my brother and once with a friend, I have always gone solo. Not only is it OK, it's a great way to roll. No worrying about when you barfine, what obligations you have to another person etc. You are free to do as you please when you please. There are plenty of other guys there who are also solo so if you are looking for company it's easy enough to find it.

I am 77 years old. I visit Pattaya twice a year. Alone, but not for long. Never have any problem.

Anyway. Attention senior bros, Is it OK to go solo in Pattaya?

Appreciate senior bro's feedback.

Rgds.

Richard[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Richard9429;1284233]Attention senior bros, Is it OK to go solo in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Going solo in Pattaya is a terrible waste! I always make sure I have a girl on my hands (and other body parts) as soon as possible.

[QUOTE=Oldbuthappy; 1285463]I am 77 years old. I visit Pattaya twice a year. Alone, but not for long. Never have any problem.

Anyway. Attention senior bros, Is it OK to go solo in Pattaya?

Appreciate senior bro's feedback.

Rgds.

Richard[/QUOTE]Way to go mate. Why would you want to be in the company of another man, the opposition. No men allowed, LOL. More fun, just you and the girls.

[QUOTE=Stakeout;1285369]Oh no, the "Colours of the East" festival will this year be 2-5 August, when I'm in Pattaya. All of Beach Road will be full with stands well into the night. No FL action.[/QUOTE]Agree. What a waste of time. Unfortunately, it crosses over my trip, not happy.

[QUOTE=Oldbuthappy; 1285463]I am 77 years old. I visit Pattaya twice a year. Alone, but not for long. Never have any problem.

Anyway. Attention senior bros, Is it OK to go solo in Pattaya?

Appreciate senior bro's feedback.

Rgds.

Richard[/QUOTE]You deserve an award for being in the game at this age, hope I am in it when I reach your age. Lots of solo travelers in Pats, stay alert and you should be ok, enjoy it.

[QUOTE=Stakeout;1285369]Oh no, the "Colours of the East" festival will this year be 2-5 August, when I'm in Pattaya. All of Beach Road will be full with stands well into the night. No FL action.[/QUOTE]FLs will still be there blending in with the crowd and will also be on WS and other areas.

[QUOTE=Richard9429;1284233]Anyway. Attention senior bros, Is it OK to go solo in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Pattaya or Bangkok are cities where it's perfectly fine to go Solo.

Even if you go to some bars, there are always guys there you can buy drinks to and talk. I personally am not a fan of Bars, but I usually prefer going Solo.

As for me I go 40/60 wingman / solo. Important for me is that the wingman and me have the same ideology. For me and him it is no problem because we have lived together for many years when studying and now live close to eachother in same city so we totaly agree in the scheduel when going to in my case almost all the time to Bangkok (we don't have an scheduel and that is what we like, hehe). We have a diff taste in women and that comes in handy (no fighting over the same girl) too. Sometimes we even just split up in the evening. And sometimes we do 3somes with DP (if we should like the same girl and she is willing. We mostly pick up girls like that from Beergarden during daytime)

But Solo is no problem and ofcourse the most "free" setting. I guess for all ages.

I prefer to fly solo when I'm on the prowl. There is nothing more tedious than the endless disputes among punters regarding itinerary. If I'm not enjoying this bar or that go-go I want to move along soonest, and I'm not interested in debating the issue with my mates. (Especially that one guy who's fallen in "lub" with the girl on his lap and who insists I stay and entertain her fat friend.)

Moreover I'm in my mid-50s now, and the hard-drinking, hair-on-fire, party-till-dawn thing just isn't my style anymore. Sincerely no offense to other gents who prefer to go big or go home. But it's just not for me these days. I've also noticed that when punters go beyond having a wing man and form into groups there is sometimes a bit of a mob mentality, and that causes them to do things that are in my estimation rather loutish. Again, I'm not calling anybody out. After all, the entire idea of a holiday in Pattaya is to do things that one cannot do at home. But my personal idea of a good time is rather more restrained, and standing off to the side while my buds act like ugly farangs is not my cup of tea.

During the day, however, when I'm chilling here or there and killing time before the sun goes down and the fun starts anew, I very much enjoy meeting the other chaps in town. Not so much the lager louts (although those guys are usually harmless) but the guys who have lives very different from mine. I never get tired of sharing a drink or a meal with them, talking about a million different things. After all, a man can only spend so much time thinking with his little head. Once in awhile he needs to exercise the big head.

Bunky

I would say it all depends. More than likely if you had a random wingman then it would probably suck. But if you already know the wingman and you are regular hangout buddies and share the same likes as far as venues are concerned then it could be a good thing. It gives you someone to share your memories with who will understand exactly what you are talking about. If you have more than one wingman it will be like herding cats and you will waste a lot of valuable time. On the other hand if you are alone then you do what the fuck you want to do when the fuck you want to do it and don't have to take anyone else into consideration. Freedom.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1286248]On the other hand if you are alone then you do what the fuck you want to do when the fuck you want to do it and don't have to take anyone else into consideration. Freedom.[/QUOTE]Freedom is the way to go! Any if you were ever in the military, the word "Wing Man" is a reference to a stupid movie. The real term is "Running Mate." Someone that is equal to you, and as equal as you.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1286257]Freedom is the way to go! Any if you were ever in the military, the word "Wing Man" is a reference to a stupid movie. The real term is "Running Mate." Someone that is equal to you, and as equal as you.[/QUOTE]Did you ever see the movie Sleep with Me? In the party scene, the Quentin Tarantino character gives his hilarious spin on Top Gun. Here is the complete Tarantino monologe from Sleep with Me:

Tarantino: "What is Top Gun? You think it's a story about a bunch of fighter pilots. It is a story about a man's struggle with his own homosexuality. It is! That is what Top Gun is about, man. You've got Maverick, all right? He's on the edge, man. He's right on the fucking line, all right? And you've got Iceman, and all his crew. They're gay, they represent the gay man, all right? And they're saying, go, go the gay way, go the gay way. He could go both ways.

Kelly McGillis, she's heterosexuality. She's saying: No, no, no, no, no, no, go the normal way, play by the rules, go the normal way. They're saying no, go the gay way, be the gay way, go for the gay way, all right? That is what's going on throughout that whole movie... He goes to her house, all right? It looks like they're going to have sex, you know, they're just kind of sitting back, he's takin' a shower and everything. They don't have sex. He gets on the motorcycle, drives away. She's like, "What the fuck, what the fuck is going on here?"

Next scene, next scene you see her, she's in the elevator, she is dressed like a guy. She's got the cap on, she's got the aviator glasses, she's wearing the same jacket that the Iceman wears. She is, okay, this is how I gotta get this guy, this guy's going towards the gay way, I gotta bring him back, I gotta bring him back from the gay way, so I'll do that through subterfuge, I'm gonna dress like a man. All right? That is how she approaches it.

All right, but the REAL ending of the movie is when they fight the MIGs at the end, all right? Because he has passed over into the gay way. They are this gay fighting fucking force, all right? And they're beating the Russians, the gays are beating the Russians. And it's over, and they fucking land, and Iceman's been trying to get Maverick the entire time, and finally, he's got him, all right? And what is the last fucking line that they have together? They're all hugging and kissing and happy with each other, and Ice comes up to Maverick, and he says, "Man, you can ride my tail, anytime!" And what does Maverick say? "You can ride mine!" Swordfight! Swordfight! Fuckin' A, man!"

Funny Stuff !

I have gone on mongering trips with friends and solo. Both ways have their virtues, but I prefer going solo. The girls are all the company I really need or want. No discusion over where to go or when to go. You do what you want when you want to do it. Now if I were going on a scuba dive trip or a trek in the Himalayas, that is another story and a couple of good friends along for the adventure are essential.

there are so many options and i just keep going back and forth, concerning what i should do on my first trip to thailand.

two puzzling options for me are below:

(1) being that it's my first time, is it smart or not smart to do my entire 3 weeks in pattaya or being that it's my first time to thailand, will i probably be upset with myself if i don't spend a few days in bangkok before my trip back to pattaya? i've done the research and i see that bangkok has some stuff going on that i would be into, but it also seems that pattaya has the same things, so maybe i won't actually miss out if i do the full 3 weeks in pattaya and skip bangkok, but i don't know, because i've never been. knowing my personality, i'm not going to be into the beer bar stuff (i don't drink) or the massage stuff, i'll be more into the go-go's, discos, and bj bars. not a baller. one of the reasons that helped me make the decision to give thailand a shot (besides liking asian women. marry me lucy thai) was the lower prices.

(2) my apartment in pattaya is going to be in soi lk metro; however, i know that as a rookie, i will also be spending probably a lot of time on walking street. if i did the entire 3 weeks in pattaya, is it a mistake for a rookie to stay in the same hotel the entire time or is it a smarter strategy to reserve a couple of weeks at one spot and another week in the walking street area. that question comes up because i'm not sure if transportation to walking street from lk metro is going to be very convenient or if it will start to get costly. same for women. is it going to get costly when occasionally bringing girls from walking street area to soi lk metro, then having to pay to send them back? i'm sure as a rookie, i'll be spending at least half my time on walking street as i am a fan of the discos. however, because i am also laid back and because i strongly wanted to be in the area of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and the devil's den, i got an apt in soi lk metro.

yes, i know it's my vacation and i can set this up anyway i want, but i keep going back and forth so much, i just want to ask those of you who used to be rookies what you did on your first trip and if there were any regrets. if you could have set up the trip differently, would you have?

i'm doing this trip as if i'll never return to thailand, because the truth of the matter is that this may be my first and only trip, so my perfectionist mindset (which i really hate sometimes. took me more than a month to decide on an apt) is trying my best to set this thing up correctly and i have no one in my area to bounce this off of and i am coming solo. i truly feel that i am overthinking this.

vacation doesn't start till november, so i have time. thanks for any advice.

[QUOTE=The Windex Man;1286454]1. Being that it's my first time, is it smart or not smart to do my entire 3 weeks in Pattaya or being that it's my first time to Thailand, will I probably be upset with myself if I don't spend a few days in Bangkok before my trip back to Pattaya? Took me more than a month to decide on an apt) is trying my best to set this thing up correctly and I have no one in my area to bounce this off of and I am coming SOLO. I truly feel that I am overthinking this.[/QUOTE]I strongly recommend that you spend at least a week in Bangkok. Personally I prefer to spend only 5 or 6 days in Pattaya at one time. It is a great place, but it can get old fast if you stay too long. BKK is a major city. I never get bored or run out of things to do in the big mango. So my advice, dependant on your arrival in LOS before 6pm, is to take a taxi or Mr. Keuk's car service straight to Pattaya from the airport. Once you arrive in Pat, relax, get your dick wet, get to know Thai girls and then finish your trip, the last week to ten days in Bangkok.

On your apartment option; all I can say is "its up to you." Soi LK Metro is a fine area to hang your hat. It is walking distance to Walking Street and there is always cheap local transport and motorcycle taxis to take you back and forth in case you are in a hurry, lazy, or with a girl. There is no downside to staying in Soi LK Metro and picking up girls from Walking Street. Besides, there are some interesting places to check out right there on LK Metro. Changing apartments or hotels might not be a bad idea, however, if only because it will break things up for you if you decide to stay in Pat for 2 or 3 weeks.

Yes, you are over thinking things a tad, but that is all right. You are going to have a great time no matter what you decide. The important decision was to come to LOS and after your trip, you will think it was one of the best moves you ever made.

[QUOTE=The Windex Man;1286454]There are so many options and I just keep going back and forth, concerning what I should do on my first trip to Thailand.[/QUOTE]I prefer Pattaya because of the low prices and laid back atmosphere. There is plenty to do here besides chasing pussy.

My advice is to spend your first few days in Bangkok then move on to Pattaya. If you don't like Pattaya or get tired of it, you can spend your last few days in Bangkok which is closer to the airport.

I'm sure you'll have a great time in both places.

Enjoy!

I agree with Daddy. You don't have to choose, the cities are very close to each other. After your long flight, get some rest in Bangkok for a few days and see if you like it. Then go to Pat and you can always come back to the capital if you don't like that. Personally I think BKK is much better.

[QUOTE=The Windex Man;1286454]There are so many options and I just keep going back and forth, concerning what I should do on my first trip to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Three weeks in Pattaya is too much. There is so much to see in Thailand and if this will ever be your only trip to the Land of Smiles, then you should really do something else besides hunting pussy.

Going to Pattaya first is not a bad idea. It is very laid back and girls are everywhere. Even if you are not into drinking (neither am I) , you can still go to a beerbar and drink soda or soft drinks. These are really nice places to pick someone up. It is my experience that I got better service from bar-girls than from agogo girls in Pattaya. In Bangkok it was the other way around.

But after two weeks, you will tire of Pattaya. There are many things to see in and around Pattaya, but as this is your first trip, it will be a challenge to organise the logistics to visit some places outside Pattaya. Unless of course you "charter" yourself a nice companion during daytime as well. Last month I stayed two weeks in Jomtien (the "family beach area" of Pattaya) with my Thai girlfriend and we have been touring outside of Pattaya and really saw some nice places (Buddha on the mountain, temples, dolphin show, big aquarium, floating market, Mini Siam, Nong Nooch garden, ...) I would never have been able to go to on my own. So get yourself someone to show you the places outside of Pattaya during the day (and show you *her* nice places during the night).

Finish your trip in Bangkok. Get yourself a hotel or serviced apartment near Soi Cowboy or Nana, so you are close to the action. I always stay at Citadines in Sukhumvit Soi 23. Walking distance to Soi Cowboy and one stop on the skytrain to Nana.

There is so much to see during the day in Bangkok. Great musea, the grand palace, the river, the markets, the shopping malls, ... It would be a pity to miss this.

[quote=the windex man;1286454]there are so many options and i just keep going back and forth, concerning what i should do on my first trip to thailand.[/quote]i would have spent a week in pattaya for the simple reason of acclimatising to the scene and the weather in general and because it is so much more concentrated there than in bangkok. fit as much into that week as possible i. e. soi 6 / bj bar ([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] in lk metro) in the day with gogos at night and then go to bangkok. the heat can be exhausting and its good to have options at your door step without much effort on your part.

at this point keep it open ended because you may or may not like bangkok and while it has more options its harder to get around the first time and more pricer. however there are a lot a non-mongering things to do such as visiting the grand palace, chilling with monks or getting getting drunk in kao san or whatever. this may be a good opportunity to take some pics and do pretend to do the innocent tourist thing to prove to friends and family that your visit wasn't mongering orientated. it would be a good idea to try everything from the nana parking lot, thermae, dr bj's / sol, soapies and eden at least one.

i would end my vacation from pattaya unless you want to hit the malls. this is a direct bus from the airport via bell travel and in my opinion its a lot easier than getting there from bangkok. i believe the key is to be flexible on your first visit and just go with the flow. a hotel is a hotel and you should focus on whats important. the girls.

i have a three week holiday coming up but i will spend most of the time in pattaya but i'm planning to go up country a little to explore while exploring more high end option in bangkok. i still have a lot to learn even after 6 visits.

Windex Man,

Based on the information you provided and to let you know this question has been ask plenty of times before you. I would recommend the following as I have done in the past which has worked out for many in the past based on your 3 weeks visit and the information that this might be your one and only time.

Since Bangkok is closer to the airport and it is the capital of Thailand you certainly don't want to leave without ever seeing it? So go to Bangkok first and maybe stay at Livingstone lodge depending on your budget? (for information go to his thread Giotto) I will get back to his place later. Plan on staying maybe 5-7 days and then take a private car or bus to Pattaya for another 5-7 days.

Where you are staying has action of its own. From the Metro Apartments you can walk around 2 blocks (Blocks in America same as Soi's) to beach road and then catch a 10 baht Songthaw bus to Walking Street or you can walk shortcut towards Second road through Soi 13/4 to Walking St. As for taking girls back to your place no problem for any girl from Walking street. You can also go to the LK Metro Thread to get more infomation on this area.

Now after visiting both places can make a determination as to how long you want to stay in Pattaya or to whether go back to Bangkok. Since you are coming in Novermber high season you might not have the flexibility of moving around from hotel to hotel in either location. If you do stay at Livingstone you might have some flexibility to return at the last minute without having to deal with the language problem trying to book a stay for the rest of your trip.

This is what I normally tell people whether they come back or not. Go to BKK first, then Pattaya and then decide?

Good luck, LBM

I went to Beach Road last night about 1:30. There were a few women out but only 1 possible for me, and she seemed a little high or something. The cops had rounded up all the ladyboys and was making them sit quietly on Soi 13 until the pickup truck arrived. I watched another ladyboy, who didn't appear to be trying to pick anyone up, walk down the street (opposite from the beach) with a type of shopping bag in hand. He made a right on Soi 13 and BAM. The cop said sit your ass down along with all of the other ones. Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. And what stops them from running off? Surely one cop couldn't catch 15 people if they all decided to walk off at the same time. I'm not sure why the cops were only targeting that particular subgroup last night and did not bother the females at all.

[QUOTE=The Windex Man; 1286454]There are so many options and I just keep going back and forth, concerning what I should do on my first trip to Thailand.[/quote]Do a week each in BKK, Pattaya and Phuket. BKK for culture / big city experience, Pattaya for night life and Phuket for the beaches / bitches. 555.

You'll be coming in high season so book your hotel and flights in advance. Do as much research as you can. Have fun and stay out of trouble (drugs and jet skis). You'll have a blast.

Mal

At 2am I decided to go to the disco to pick up a 1000 baht LT. I parked in the lot right before getting to Walking Street. A girl came and sat on the bike next to mine. I thought she was about to solicit me, but as I got off my bike she said,"Twenty baht" for parking. I laughed and told her,"Mai dai." My cousin said that a guy asked him for 20 baht one day to park there. He b*tched the guy out because he had watched as a number of Thais parked in the same place and they had not given the guy any money. My cousin told him that as soon as the Thais started paying then he would pay.

I walked down to Lucifer and watched the last 5 minutes of the ass shaking contest. They usually have a bottle of Chivas or champagne for the winner, but this time the lucky girl went home with 1000 baht. They announced that next week's prize would be 2000 baht. A group of girls came in and one pulled me over to talk to her friend. She was just my type. I took her back to the front so we could talk with a little less noise. I asked her to come with me but she said her friend was leaving the next day so she wanted to hang out. We exchanged numbers and I took her picture with my phone so I could put the face with the phone number. I told her that I would like to see her the following day and she agreed. But when I called her this afternoon she said she was in Bangkok and would not return until Sunday. No good for me. I have a girl coming to see me from Japan from Saturday until Wednesday.

I returned to the back of the disco and another chick pulled me over to the side. She danced behind me while reaching around holding my dick through my pants nonstop for 3 songs in a row. Of course I protected the contents of my pockets the entire time. I broke off with intentions to finish my hunt. However right next to that group was another girl who I always see in the disco and we always speak to each other. She is tall, thin, light-skinned, and has braces. I had no idea what her name was but I decided that tonight just may be her night.

wiki describes a six sigma process as "one in which 99.99966% of the products manufactured are statistically expected to be free of defects (3.4 defects per million)." this is the same science that i have put to my disco mongering pick up game. the girls are used to seeing me and know that i live here. they have heard nothing bad about me. they come with me and we have a good time and i give them 1000 baht the next day and everyone leaves happy. so far it is been virtually flawless. but what about the .00034% that contain a defect? well i found that out last night.

i sat with the light skinned girl with the braces for about 5 minutes then i told her let's go. we walked down the street with her walking behind me. she stopped at a sushi stand and picked out some food while i stood about 10 meters away. she came and asked me for 100 baht to pay for her food. i obliged. we started back walking and she asked what i wanted. i said nothing. she said that if i wanted something then she would pay for it no problem. i told her no. before we made it to my bike i did decide to stop in mcdonald's and get some chicken nuggets. after i placed my order she placed an order with another cashier that came up to 178 baht. she gave the cashier 200 baht and when she tried to give her the change back she declined. the cashier put the 22 baht into the container for needy kids or whatever. i didn't quite understand it. she just got 100 baht worth of sushi and now she is buying more food at mcdonald's. oh well she is a grown ass lady so i guess she knows what she is doing. we got on my bike and went home.

i called my cousin's room from downstairs before i came into the building because i had to tell him something. we went up to my room and started eating and my cousin showed up 5 minutes later. the girl was sitting on the bed with her food on the nightstand. she put one of her feet on my couch which is covered by a brown sheet. i saw how dirty her feet were on the bottom and the spot she was making on the sheet. i told her not to do it and to go wash her feet. she didn't pay me any attention. i carried on talking to my cousin until i finished eating then i went to sit on the bed with the girl. i repeatedly told her to go take a shower but she ignored me. i thought that maybe she didn't want to do it with my cousin around. she got under the covers with all her clothes on and her dirty ass feet. i was having a fit inside thinking what the hell is she doing to my clean sheets. my cousin finally left.

i told the girl to go ahead and take a shower. she just said,"up to me," but didn't budge. i pulled all her clothes off and told her to go ahead. again she said,"up to me." i said look go ahead and take a shower so we can get this show on the road. she said you are not my daddy or my mother. i said yes but this is my room so you need to go take a shower or get out. she said okay i go home; give me money. i said money for what, you have not done anything. it was late and i didn't want to deal with bullshit. i did some shit that i would never do. i pulled out 500 baht and said put your clothes on and leave. she said what is that. i showed her. she laughed and said 500 baht? you can fuck my toe for that. you can go fuck a dog or something. then she started kneeing me and hitting me. i pushed her off the bed and told her to put her clothes on and get out. she walked around to the foot of the bed and gave my flat screen tv a bruce lee side kick. all i could remember after that was dragging her naked ass out into the hallway, locking the door, gathering up her things, and throwing them out into the hall with her. i called my cousin's room and told him to call security.

it was about 4:30am. the girl started kicking my door and shouting waking up all the neighbors. the guy who manages the building heard the commotion up on the fifth floor (i stay on the third) and came down to talk to the girl. i was looking out of the peephole. she was telling him that i fucked her and didn't give her any money. he knows for a fact that i have damn near a different person here everyday and have never caused any problems in the building. he told her to get out or he would call the police. my cousin came to my room and said that i needed to come downstairs to meet with the manager and the girl. i went down but there was only the security guard and the girl there. i got in a shouting match with the girl, in which i purposely made her admit in front of security to kicking my tv. she kept telling me to give her 500 baht so she could go home. was this the same 500 baht that i offered her earlier that she scoffed at? that offer was off the table immediately after my tv was kicked. i told her that she needed to be giving me 10000 baht for my tv.

she said there was no damage to the tv and the security guard could go look at it. admittedly there was no damage; probably due to the fact that the tv sits about 6 inches in front of the wall and there are cables behind it at the base. so when she kicked it near the top it merely pushed the top toward the wall making the tv slant against the wall.

she kept telling me that if i didn't have any money then i needed to go back to my country. she even said she would buy me a plane ticket. eventually i realized that the shouting back and forth was getting me nowhere so i decided to shut down and give her the silent treatment. she continued her rant while i just stared at her making her even more frustrated. she kept telling me to give her 500 baht so she could go home. she got so frustrated that she started hitting my legs and tugging on the cargo pockets of my shorts. it looked like the manager was not coming back. my cousin said he was going to his room and i followed him. she tried to follow me through the security door but i was able to push her back and pull the door closed.

me and my cousin went up to my room and talked about what had happened. he said,"man you must have choked her or something because it was all red around her neck." i thought about it and said,"you know what? i damn sure did. i completely forgot about it. right after she kicked that tv i threw her on the bed and got on top of her and started choking the shit out of her. then i dragged her ass out into the hall."

this just goes to show that no method is 100% foolproof and every now and then the tightest mongering system will experience kinks. i just hope not to have an incident of this caliber for a long time to come.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1286735]I just hope not to have an incident of this caliber for a long time to come.[/QUOTE]If you stay away from the hardened pros then you should be fine. Unfortunatley, the discos are loaded with these types.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1286735]Wiki describes a Six Sigma process.[/QUOTE]Mr E you are doing the right stuff! Big inspiration for future generations! Myself I plan to head down to Pattaya pretty soon later in June. I hope the place is in reasonably good shape then. The plan is to fuck or learn MT.

You guys kick ass!

Appreciate the feedback and because of it, I'm absolutely adding a trip to Bangkok, instead of doing all 3 weeks in Pattaya. It's just a matter of whether to do it at the beginning, at the end, or somewhere in the middle (I see benefits in each scenario) , but the bottom line is that I will go there as well.

Also great to hear that I did pick a good area (soi LK Metro) and that it is walking distance to Walking street. If by myself, I plan to walk the route. If I pick up a young lady from that area, I'll take transportation.

P. S. Great point mentioning that just because I don't drink, it doesn't mean that I shouldn't hang at the beer bar. I'm sure I'm not the first person to drink orange juice at a beer bar. Sometimes my brain cells just don't function well. LOL.

Again thanks, it helped a lot and yes, this rookie will be writing a full report once I return.

[QUOTE=The Windex Man; 1286832]You guys kick ass! Appreciate the feedback and because of it, I'm absolutely adding a trip to Bangkok, instead of doing all 3 weeks in Pattaya. It's just a matter of whether to do it at the beginning, at the end, or somewhere in the middle (I see benefits in each scenario) , but the bottom line is that I will go there as well.[/QUOTE]I would start in BKK and learn the ropes there, go Pattaya and back to BKK after the learninh and experiences

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1286735]This just goes to show that no method is 100% foolproof and every now and then the tightest mongering system will experience kinks. I just hope not to have an incident of this caliber for a long time to come.[/QUOTE]Dude! That is totally fucked up! I think that you should take their picture before you allow them in your place. Then at least you can post a picture of the b@tch So the rest of us steer clear. That's what I did with that one that grabbed my cell phones and threaten to smash them, and she was also looking the laptop as well. Here she is again in case someone runs into this crazy b@tch!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1286735]This just goes to show that no method is 100% foolproof and every now and then the tightest mongering system will experience kinks. I just hope not to have an incident of this caliber for a long time to come.[/QUOTE]It must have been the sushi. That shit just doesn't mix well with McDonalds.

dude, wouldn't it just be easier to pay! my favorite mongering quote: "you don't pay them for sex, you pay them to leave." frankly, i would rather pay for a smoking hot bargirl w / o drama any time. so what if you pay.

i've mongered in phils and thailand for 10 years. never ever had a problem.

and by the way, lucky it didn't turn out worse. not saying it's right, but here in the us you would be in jail for the choking, regardless of what the chick did. i don't know tl as well as phils but could be a problem in phils also. girl calls police, choke marks, enrichment opportunity for everyone but you.

big fun

[quote=mr enternational; 1286735]wiki describes a six sigma process asd "one in which 99. 99966% of the products manufactured are statistically expected to be free of defects (3. 4 defects per million)." this is the same science that i have put to my disco mongering pick up game. the girls are used to seeing me and know that i live here. they have heard nothing bad about me. they come with me and we have a good time and i give them 1000 baht the next day and everyone leaves happy. so far it is been virtually flawless. but what about the. 00034% that contain a defect? well i found that out last night.

i sat with the light skinned girl with the braces for about 5 minutes then i told her let's go. we walked down the street with her walking behind me. she stopped at a sushi stand and picked out some food while i stood about 10 meters away. she came and asked me for 100 baht to pay for her food. i obliged. we started back walking and she asked what i wanted. i said nothing. she said that if i wanted something then she would pay for it no problem. i told her no. before we made it to my bike i did decide to stop in mcdonald's and get some chicken nuggets. after i placed my order she placed an order with another cashier that came up to 178 baht. she gave the cashier 200 baht and when she tried to give her the change back she declined. the cashier put the 22 baht into the container for needy kids or whatever. i didn't quite understand it. she just got 100 baht worth of sushi and now she is buying more food at mcdonald's. oh well she is a grown ass lady so i guess she knows what she is doing. we got on my bike and went home.

i called my cousin's room from downstairs before i came into the building because i had to tell him something. we went up to my room and started eating and my cousin showed up 5 minutes later. the girl was sitting on the bed with her food on the nightstand. she put one of her feet on my couch which is covered by a brown sheet. i saw how dirty her feet were on the bottom and the spot she was making on the sheet. i told her not to do it and to go wash her feet. she didn't pay me any attention. i carried on talking to my cousin until i finished eating then i went to sit on the bed with the girl. i repeatedly told her to go take a shower but she ignored me. i thought that maybe she didn't want to do it with my cousin around. she got under the covers with all her clothes on and her dirty ass feet. i was having a fit inside thinking what the hell is she doing to my clean sheets. my cousin finally left.

i told the girl to go ahead and take a shower. she just said,"up to me," but didn't budge. i pulled all her clothes off and told her to go ahead. again she said,"up to me." i said look go ahead and take a shower so we can get this show on the road. she said you are not my daddy or my mother. i said yes but this is my room so you need to go take a shower or get out. she said okay i go home; give me money. i said money for what, you have not done anything. it was late and i didn't want to deal with bullshit. i did some shit that i would never do. i pulled out 500 baht and said put your clothes on and leave. she said what is that. i showed her. she laughed and said 500 baht? you can fuck my toe for that. you can go fuck a dog or something. then she started kneeing me and hitting me. i pushed her off the bed and told her to put her clothes on and get out. she walked around to the foot of the bed and gave my flat screen tv a bruce lee side kick. all i could remember after that was dragging her naked ass out into the hallway, locking the door, gathering up her things, and throwing them out into the hall with her. i called my cousin's room and told him to call security.

it was about 4:30am. the girl started kicking my door and shouting waking up all the neighbors. the guy who manages the building heard the commotion up on the fifth floor (i stay on the third) and came down to talk to the girl. i was looking out of the peephole. she was telling him that i fucked her and didn't give her any money. he knows for a fact that i have damn near a different person here everyday and have never caused any problems in the building. he told her to get out or he would call the police. my cousin came to my room and said that i needed to come downstairs to meet with the manager and the girl. i went down but there was only the security guard and the girl there. i got in a shouting match with the girl, in which i purposely made her admit in front of security to kicking my tv. she kept telling me to give her 500 baht so she could go home. was this the same 500 baht that i offered her earlier that she scoffed at? that offer was off the table immediately after my tv was kicked. i told her that she needed to be giving me 10000 baht for my tv.

she said there was no damage to the tv and the security guard could go look at it. admittedly there was no damage; probably due to the fact that the tv sits about 6 inches in front of the wall and there are cables behind it at the base. so when she kicked it near the top it merely pushed the top toward the wall making the tv slant against the wall.

she kept telling me that if i didn't have any money then i needed to go back to my country. she even said she would buy me a plane ticket. eventually i realized that the shouting back and forth was getting me nowhere so i decided to shut down and give her the silent treatment. she continued her rant while i just stared at her making her even more frustrated. she kept telling me to give her 500 baht so she could go home. she got so frustrated that she started hitting my legs and tugging on the cargo pockets of my shorts. it looked like the manager was not coming back. my cousin said he was going to his room and i followed him. she tried to follow me through the security door but i was able to push her back and pull the door closed.

me and my cousin went up to my room and talked about what had happened. he said,"man you must have choked her or something because it was all red around her neck." i thought about it and said,"you know what? i damn sure did. i completely forgot about it. right after she kicked that tv i threw her on the bed and got on top of her and started choking the shit out of her. then i dragged her ass out into the hall."

this just goes to show that no method is 100% foolproof and every now and then the tightest mongering system will experience kinks. i just hope not to have an incident of this caliber for a long time to come.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1286735]I pulled all her clothes off and told her to go ahead.[/QUOTE]I'm no lawyer, but forcibly ripping off a girls clothing and you might end up with free lodging at the graybar hotel!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1286853]Here she is again in case someone runs into this crazy b@tch![/QUOTE]Wow Tjack, she looks like a sweetheart! What started all that? I'm curious. Goes to show that "LOOKS Aint EVERTYHING!".

I picked up a FL in Lucifer once that was more drunk than she appeared in the club. Once in my bed she passed out. After arguing about service and how drunk she is and having security in the room I ended up paying her 1500 anyway just to get her the f*ck out my life. Always better to get a chick connected to something she does not want to lose.

[QUOTE=Naked Gunz;1286932]Wow Tjack, she looks like a sweetheart! What started all that? I'm curious. Goes to show that "LOOKS Aint EVERTYHING!".[/QUOTE]Here is the original post:

Jekyll and Hyde at "I" Bar.

All this talk about people being robbed and women taking things from the rooms made want to chime in about my only bad experience in the 33+ years that I've been going to Pattaya.

One night I decided to go the disco route and see what I could pick up for 1000 baht at the "I" Bar. I met this girl and we hit it off quite well. I was buying the drinks and shots of course. Some light kissing, touching, and squeezing; I liked her. Turns out she worked at the Honey Bar on Walking Street and she wanted to stop there to introduce me to her friends. We had a drink, shared some street food, and we played well together. I really liked Miss Jekyll.

After we arrived at the Penthouse and was riding the elevator to the top floor, she had some questions."What kind of hotel is this?" "Why you stay this hotel?" and so forth. Got in the room and she started exploring the sex swing, dance floor & pole, and the jacuzzi. Then more questions were asked."What kind of loom is this?" "Why you stay in this loom?" I explained that the room was made for fucking and not questions. She got naked as I lit up the jacuzzi, but had a different look on her face. I told her if this all confused her, she would be better off leaving right now.

Hello, Miss Hyde! She said she wanted money for her time, so I threw her a couple hundred baht and told her to get the fuck out. Nope, she threw the 200 on the floor and she demanded 1000, even though money was never discussed. I told her that she was lucky enough to get what I gave her and to move on. Nope, she walked over and picked up both of my phones and acted like she was going to destroy them, and my laptop was next to her as well. I figured be the time I got to the hotel phone to call security, the damage would be already done. I threw 1000 at her, called her a bunch of fucking names, and got her out of the room as fast as I could. I really didn't like Miss Hyde!

[QUOTE=Harold444;1286781]This doesn't make sense. Why do those who claim to be able to pull free girls go to hooker places to get them.[/QUOTE]Who's claiming to pull free girls? Which hooker places are you referring to?

Does anyone recall the Thai music bar on the end ot the soi 2 complex called Kum Punn, does anyone know if it has been moved to any where else in Pattaya or if there is a comparable bar inside Pattaya please give details? I all ways found it always broke the ice with a non English speaking girl and appreciated by her.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1286870]It must have been the sushi. That shit just doesn't mix well with McDonalds.[/QUOTE]True to a point? The so call sushi they sell here sure will do that to a person but it's more the WASABI, they like their food hot but it is a whole new ballgame when it comes to the Wasabi?

LBM

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1286735]She got so frustrated that she started hitting my legs and tugging on the cargo pockets of my shorts. It looked like the manager was not coming back. My cousin said he was going to his room and I followed him. She tried to follow me through the security door but I was able to push her back and pull the door closed.[/QUOTE]Wow, If my building manager and security let a lass kick me and did nothing about it, they'd be looking for a job the next day. The job of these assholes is to look after the residents of the place and their security.

[QUOTE=Big Fun; 1286900]Dude, wouldn't it just be easier to pay! My favorite mongering quote: "You don't pay them for sex, you pay them to leave." Frankly, I would rather pay for a smoking hot bargirl w / o drama any time. So what if you pay.

I've mongered in Phils and Thailand for 10 years. Never ever had a problem.[/QUOTE]I think you missed the point. He's got money, it's not about the money, it's the principle.

[quote]And by the way, lucky it didn't turn out worse. Not saying it's right, but here in the US you would be in jail for the choking, regardless of what the chick did. I don't know TL as well as Phils but could be a problem in Phils also. Girl calls police, choke marks, enrichment opportunity for everyone but you.[/QUOTE]Thank god we're not in that shitty country then. I couldn't imagine who would want to live in a country where 72% of the people believe in Angels, Goblins and Zombies.

Ok, kidding aside, I can't see any country that would tolerate this, even Thailand. Luckily the cops did not show up.
However, some days later, some other people could show up unnanounced.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1286853]Dude! That is totally fucked up! I think that you should take their picture before you allow them in your place. Then at least you can post a picture of the b@tch So the rest of us steer clear. That's what I did with that one that grabbed my cell phones and threaten to smash them, and she was also looking the laptop as well. Here she is again in case someone runs into this crazy b@tch![/QUOTE]She has bigger arms than you.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1286921]I'm no lawyer, but forcibly ripping off a girls clothing and you might end up with free lodging at the graybar hotel![/QUOTE]Not really, without proof there is little the courts can do. But he'd have to pay the cops a lot of money, that's for sure

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1287100]However, some days later, some other people could show up unnanounced.[/QUOTE]In this situation it might be better to just pay and put it down to experience. As he didn't pay maybe he, and his cousin, should be looking for a new apartment. As well as keeping a low profile.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1286921]I'm no lawyer, but forcibly ripping off a girls clothing and you might end up with free lodging at the graybar hotel![/QUOTE]It wasn't forcibly. She helped me with that but still refused to go take a shower. I forgot to mention that when I parked in the lot in front of Walking Street and didn't pay the girl 20 baht my good helmet was stolen. I had over a year run with that one. They left theirs that wasn't as good in its place. I had to go buy a new one for 489 and I will keep that one padlocked to my mirror from now on.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1286952]Jekyll and Hyde at "I" Bar.

One night I decided to go the disco route and see what I could pick up for 1000 baht at the "I" Bar. I met this girl and we hit it off quite well. I was buying the drinks and shots of course. Some light kissing, touching, and squeezing; I liked her. Turns out she worked at the Honey Bar on Walking Street and she wanted to stop there to introduce me to her friends. We had a drink, shared some street food, and we played well together. I really liked Miss Jekyll.

Hello, Miss Hyde! She said she wanted money for her time, so I threw her a couple hundred baht and told her to get the fuck out. Nope, she threw the 200 on the floor and she demanded 1000, even though money was never discussed. I told her that she was lucky enough to get what I gave her and to move on. Nope, she walked over and picked up both of my phones and acted like she was going to destroy them, and my laptop was next to her as well. I figured be the time I got to the hotel phone to call security, the damage would be already done. I threw 1000 at her, called her a bunch of fucking names, and got her out of the room as fast as I could. I really didn't like Miss Hyde![/QUOTE]Wow! So you went out looking for a working girl for 1000 baht and the working girl got the full 1000 baht, without even a BJ and even though she knew a money transaction would have to involve sex, she demanded the full amount and threatened to destroy things in your hotel if you didn't pay.

I know incidents like this are probably few and far between, but I think it also tells me that I need to be very wary of freelancers, because it seems to me that any working girl off the street can do this, get away with it, and since there's nobody to report the freelancer to, what am I going to do, except give her the money. It's not my country and the last thing I want is for the police to get involved. Probably a pussy move on my behalf, but being it'll be my first time out there and being that I saw the tv show "Locked up abroad" concerning dumb American chicks going to jail in Thailand, I ain't taking chances! Them cells are nasty!

I went through something similar in Sosua, DR when a street walker chica demanded a tip, even though she was lousy in bed, including a 30 second BJ. Had to actually get physical with throwing her out my room, she kicks my door, yells in Spanish that she's getting the police, after she split I ran out my room to the club, and luckily never saw the police. Street walkers man, looks like I gots to be careful.

Shit.

Guys, I'm landing up in Bangkok this weekend & moving straightaway to Pattaya. I've heard so much about 'walking street' that I want to explore that part first. Now my problem is that I do not consume hard drinks & being a first timer I'm getting little nervous & hesitant to visit go-go bars. Can you guys guide me as in how to negotiate with a girl on a street. I'm looking forward to take a lady to my room for ST for 1000 Baht. Now how should I go about it without landing myself in trouble. I mean how do you initiate?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1287128]I forgot to mention that when I parked in the lot in front of Walking Street and didn't pay the girl 20 baht my good helmet was stolen. I had over a year run with that one. They left theirs that wasn't as good in its place. I had to go buy a new one for 489 and I will keep that one padlocked to my mirror from now on.[/QUOTE]Man, you sure learned a good lesson in Thai that night, didn't you, Mr. E?

When you didn't pay the 20 baht to park your bike it was highly predictable that something bad would happen and it surely did. You're lucky the bike was still there when you returned. And leaving your helmet unsecured was an invitation for theft, especially after not paying the 20 baht. The Thai's are vindictive bastards when they think they've been disrespected.

Most bikes have a steel bracket under the seat on both sides for securing helmets and most helmets have a steel ring on the strap that secures the helmet to the bracket when the seat is put down and locked. That's the best way to keep your helmet from being stolen.

As for the girl going berserk, that probably wouldn't have happened had you just remained calm. Again, you are lucky the cops didn't come and see the choke marks on her neck. You might have been in REAL trouble then.

Now the question is how this incident is going to affect your pristine reputation at the disco where all the girls know you and your modus operendi. That crazy chick is probably going to bad mouth you there.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Andy7;1287248]Guys, I'm landing up in Bangkok this weekend & moving straightaway to Pattaya. I've heard so much about 'walking street' that I want to explore that part first. Now my problem is that I do not consume hard drinks & being a first timer I'm getting little nervous & hesitant to visit go-go bars. Can you guys guide me as in how to negotiate with a girl on a street. I'm looking forward to take a lady to my room for ST for 1000 Baht. Now how should I go about it without landing myself in trouble. I mean how do you initiate?[/QUOTE]You don't have to consume hard drinks in the go-go's. Lots of guys are sipping soft drinks or water. Some even order hot tea or coffee, no problem.

Regarding the hookers on Walking Street, if she looks at you and smiles it's a sure sign she's game for action. If you just walk up to her and say hello; you go with me; I give you 1000 baht, that's negotiating like a pro. Don't be shy.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Andy7;1287248]Guys, I'm landing up in Bangkok this weekend & moving straightaway to Pattaya. I've heard so much about 'walking street' that I want to explore that part first. Now my problem is that I do not consume hard drinks & being a first timer I'm getting little nervous & hesitant to visit go-go bars. Can you guys guide me as in how to negotiate with a girl on a street. I'm looking forward to take a lady to my room for ST for 1000 Baht. Now how should I go about it without landing myself in trouble. I mean how do you initiate?[/QUOTE]Hey, don't think too much about all this. I also don't drink alcohol when I go out. Just have a water or a soda.

Don't worry about Freelancers, in Walking street there will be many, just smile and talk to all the girls you like. They will tell you the price. Then it's just about Smiling and telling then "come on, I give you xxx" or something like that.

One thing: DO NOT lose your temper, shout, or look violent: this will end up badly for you.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1287262]You don't have to consume hard drinks in the go-go's. Lots of guys are sipping soft drinks or water. Some even order hot tea or coffee, no problem.

Regarding the hookers on Walking Street, if she looks at you and smiles it's a sure sign she's game for action. If you just walk up to her and say hello; you go with me; I give you 1000 baht, that's negotiating like a pro. Don't be shy.

Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Great! Thanks for gearing me up. I really need such tips.

Are there any signs to look for when choosing a girl so as to avoid getting ripped off?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1287268]Hey, don't think too much about all this. I also don't drink alcohol when I go out. Just have a water or a soda.

Don't worry about Freelancers, in Walking street there will be many, just smile and talk to all the girls you like. They will tell you the price. Then it's just about Smiling and telling then "come on, I give you xxx" or something like that.

One thing: DO NOT lose your temper, shout, or look violent: this will end up badly for you.[/QUOTE]Certainly Not.

Is there any suggested price range for a short time?

As my trip is about to begin in couple of days so please excuse me for all my how's, can's & do's? I really need some info.

Can anyone forward me to reports discussing famous 'The classroom, a go-go bar with accommodation' I really want to get laid with few girls out there.

I mean do they provide FS? And what are the prices like.

[QUOTE=Andy7; 1287272]Great! Thanks for gearing me up. I really need such tips.

Are there any signs to look for when choosing a girl so as to avoid getting ripped off?[/QUOTE]Since your are taking a freelancer but no matter who you should always be careful? Don't keep your eggs in one basket meaning don't leave all your money in the room. If you have a safe in the room use it or use the safe deposit boxes in the lobby?

With the crack down on Beach Road, many of the girls who were asking 500-700 baht are walking down to walking street and now asking for a 1000 baht just for short time. Depending on your budget, if she say 1000 counter nicely with 500 baht? Now take a good look as to what you are looking at? My cousin the other night (cousins visiting this time of the year are commom LOL) across from Bacarra struck up a conversation with a freelancer, he ask, she responded 1000, he said 500 baht, she told him look at me? Do I look like 500 baht? I have to admit she did look pretty good? In the end, she came down to 800 baht and agree to go to his place instead of a short time hotel.

Stay away from the girls who look like they are high on drugs, drunk, attitude not too friendly. None of these are full proof but it is a start.

No matter where you sit your butt, you can order coke, Sprite, or just plain water just don't be surprise you will pay as if you are drinking hard liquor?

LBM

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1287099]Wow, If my building manager and security let a lass kick me and did nothing about it, they'd be looking for a job the next day. The job of these assholes is to look after the residents of the place and their security.[/QUOTE]From my observation he isn't staying at a nice high end condo like yourself. Many of these places the manager doesn't do anything more than sweeping up and making sure things get fix when broken that is as far as it goes. I was surprise he even came down from the 5th floor to see what was going on?

As for the cops coming, it shouldn't be a surprise they didn't since the majority of them are out sneaking around tht time of the eveing getting their tea money. If they did show up the solution for his problem since he is a farang would have him pay just to take care of the problem, principles wouldn't have play into the situation with the police here!

Sure paying the girl might have just been the best way to handle situation like this in this country but I can also see Mr. E. Side on this! Thais can drive you to doing things you normally might not do in your own country?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1287282]Since your are taking a freelancer but no matter who you should always be careful? Don't keep your eggs in one basket meaning don't leave all your money in the room. If you have a safe in the room use it or use the safe deposit boxes in the lobby?

With the crack down on Beach Road, many of the girls who were asking 500-700 baht are walking down to walking street and now asking for a 1000 baht just for short time. Depending on your budget, if she say 1000 counter nicely with 500 baht? Now take a good look as to what you are looking at? My cousin the other night (cousins visiting this time of the year are commom LOL) across from Bacarra struck up a conversation with a freelancer, he ask, she responded 1000, he said 500 baht, she told him look at me? Do I look like 500 baht? I have to admit she did look pretty good? In the end, she came down to 800 baht and agree to go to his place instead of a short time hotel.

Stay away from the girls who look like they are high on drugs, drunk, attitude not too friendly. None of these are full proof but it is a start.

No matter where you sit your butt, you can order coke, Sprite, or just plain water just don't be surprise you will pay as if you are drinking hard liquor?

LBM[/QUOTE]Good valuable report. Thanks LBM.

If she leaves her I'd on the front desk then can she be considered as 100% safe. And will it be OK if ask her about the availability of her I'd while negotiating?

[QUOTE=Andy7; 1287248]Now how should I go about it without landing myself in trouble. I mean how do you initiate?

Are there any signs to look for when choosing a girl so as to avoid getting ripped off?[/QUOTE]With all due respect Andy, you sound very green. I recommend that you stick with the Go Go's at least at first, where everything is easy peasy, until you learn the ropes. Hunting successfully for FL's on Beach Road requires a higher skill level and knowledge base than I think you possess at the present moment. Getting ripped off is one risk. Hooking up with a Kathoey is another. Baby steps Andy. Start with the Go Go's: places like Baccara, Heaven's Above, and Airport where everything is 99. 99% foolproof and nothing can go wrong. The girls are good looking and know how to take care of you. After a few nights in Pattaya, you can try your luck on Beach Road if you want. Chances are you will stick with the Go Go's because the Go Go's have more, better girls although at a higher price obviously. I walk Beach Road from my hotel to Walking Street every night while I am visiting Pattaya. I like the hunt vibe. But, honestly, the number of really attractive do able girls out there is quite low IMHO. Once in awhile I find a diamond. Most of the time, I just keep walking to my favorite Go Go’s.

[QUOTE=Andy7;1287288]Good valuable report. Thanks LBM.If she leaves her I'd on the front desk then can she be considered as 100% safe. And will it be OK if ask her about the availability of her I'd while negotiating?[/QUOTE]LBM is the "man behind the curtain" in Pattaya. After Daddy 07, he know the ropes and the knots better than the rest.

No Thai woman taken to a hotel room is 100 percent "safe." Better to have a "decoy" wallet with 840 baht in it to pay her (40 for the MC taxi if you are a gentleman). Remember to keep all your valuables in the room safe in case she slips you a "roofie."

Of course, is "she" slips you a "roofie" and turns out to be a ladyboy, you might find yourself with some pain the next day! Don't be that guy in "Hangover 2."

Have fun & be safe out there, it's a jungle. ;)

[QUOTE=Andy7;1287288]If she leaves her I'd on the front desk then can she be considered as 100% safe.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely NOT! Some stupid Thai female theives are dumb enough to leave copies their I'd cards at the front desk and then proceed to drug and rob their victims, wondering later why they got caught.

Read this and beware:

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/56131/israeli-tourist-drugged-robbed-pattaya-prostitute/[/url]

When in Thailand playing with freelance hookers you have to be careful all the time. I see stories like this time after time. Sometimes they even bring crowbars to the room to pry open safes while their victim remains passed out. Sometimes their victims croak.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1287295]With all due respect Andy, you sound very green. I recommend that you stick with the Go Go's at least at first, where everything is easy peasy[/QUOTE]I Fully Agree.

In Fact, if I may offer a Piece of advice? It would be better to get your rocks off right when you arrive.

Go to the Devils Den (very reputable business owned and operated by foreigners) [url]http://www.devilsdenpattaya.com/index.php[/url]

Have steamy sex and that should clear your head for the night, Make sure you don't barfine the first girl that sits on your lap

Like Daddy said, it happens every week. And what if the ID is not actually her? :

Khun Maree revealed how she met one of the men in front of Royal Garden Plaza on Pattaya Beach. She stressed to him that she was not a prostitute but was offered 800 Baht to accompany the man back to his Hotel room. She accepted the money and went to the Bella Express Hotel, leaving a stolen Thai I'd Card on reception. Inside the room were the two other Bangladeshi's.

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/55201/suspect-drugging-robbery-case-bangladesh-rotarians-caught-pattaya-police/[/url]

The manager of my building threw around the idea of leaving the girls' cards with the security guy, but this being a regular Thai / Falang apartment building and not a hotel that kind of went out the window. Of course I have a copier and a safe in my room, but by this kind of thing happening once every few years it's not worth the trouble to me to bother with doing it every freaking day.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1287284]Sure paying the girl might have just been the best way to handle situation like this in this country but I can also see Mr. E. Side on this![/QUOTE]Paying money usually is the best way out of a bad situation in LOS. Even better is to avoid the problem before it arises.

If you reread Mr E's story you will uncover the danger signs before they even got to the room.

One I picked up last night in the disco. We came to my place at 2:30. Now it is 12:30. She just left because she has a doctor's appointment at 1 due to a motorbike accident the other day. As usual no price discussion beforehand. Just left 1000 baht under her cellphone when she went in to take a shower a few minutes ago. She is from Rayong and said her father is a policeman in Pattaya. No idea what her name is.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1287295]I walk Beach Road from my hotel to Walking Street every night while I am visiting Pattaya. I like the hunt vibe. But, honestly, the number of really attractive do able girls out there is quite low IMHO.[/QUOTE]OMG This is an understatement! Coconut bar is for walking and not shopping as far as I'm concerned. Its cool to look and see whats going on, but those rejects are there for a reason: Bottom of the food chain. Yaba being one big reason. IMHO, in Pattaya at any given moment, the best of the best is getting pumped hard by somebody already. Those chicks know their value.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1287344]Paying money usually is the best way out of a bad situation in LOS. Even better is to avoid the problem before it arises.

If you reread Mr E's story you will uncover the danger signs before they even got to the room.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree that there were a few signs after they left but what cause Mr. E to snapped was the girl and her dirty feet was dirting his silk sheets plus you can't expect a guy to suck toes when the feet is dirty? That is just downright wrong in my book. Paying is fine for us old guys but even we get tired of the B. S. Now Mr. E, is a young stud who still can I think open a can of whip ass? I might have done the same and thereafter bend her over and fuck her up the ass!

LBM

[QUOTE=Andy7; 1287288]Good valuable report. Thanks LBM.

If she leaves her I'd on the front desk then can she be considered as 100% safe. And will it be OK if ask her about the availability of her I'd while negotiating?[/QUOTE]Having the hotel check and retain the I. D. Is good but from my experience it seem anyone can get a I. D, plus majority of the time they don't even live in the location stated on the I. D.

As noted you sound real green and just because you are coming to Thailand doesn't mean you get stupid when you land. You do what is normal as you would in your own country. When in doubt play it safe and don't put yourself in a position for it to happen because most of the time it will happen if you do? As suggested you might want to forgo the freelancer for now and stick with some gogos and Beerbars this way if something does happen you can at least go back to the place? Of course this doesn't mean you are going to get the same help as if you were home? But it is a start! Devilden is also a good suggestion to get your stick dipped!

We all start off stupid and they can smell one a mile away, you are going to pay your dues but the key is try to learn from your mistakes and improve your game and don't be afraid. You can't play the game if you are scared to act!

In a few days, you will unzip and let the dog out so have fun and be safe?

LBM

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1287301]Absolutely NOT! Some stupid Thai female theives are dumb enough to leave copies their I'd cards at the front desk and then proceed to drug and rob their victims, wondering later why they got caught.

Read this and beware:

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/56131/israeli-tourist-drugged-robbed-pattaya-prostitute/[/url]

When in Thailand playing with freelance hookers you have to be careful all the time. I see stories like this time after time. Sometimes they even bring crowbars to the room to pry open safes while their victim remains passed out. Sometimes their victims croak.[/QUOTE]Daddy07, is right! From my experience Thais don't make very good crooks because they lack education in general and are just plain stupid to even be crooks. I basically can't understand how they have such a great fighting style but yet majority of them seem to be cowards in general. When someone comes along and play their game better they get upset! The best thing to do is not put yourself in a position for things to happen. Play it safe and stick to the gogos or go to Soi 6, Soi 7, 8 beerbars. If you are staying at L. K. Metro area there are plenty of small GoGos there too to get your started. A soapie or oil at Honey Massage is successed too!

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1287392]. We all start off stupid and they can smell one a mile away, you are going to pay your dues but the key is try to learn from your mistakes and improve your game and don't be afraid. You can't play the game if you are scared to act![/QUOTE]I had a friend in town recently and the first time he got out of my "guidance," a Pattaya go-go girl who he had BF'd convinced him to go visit mama and poppa and take the family out for a meal. Well, as the evening progressed all of her "cousins" and "brothers" joined the party, too! She even tried to convince him to give mama few thousand baht.

Poor guy thought he was having a cultural exchange!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1287400]Poor guy thought he was having a cultural exchange![/QUOTE]The onlky exchange was the banknotes from one wallet to a pocket

[QUOTE=Andy7;1287274]Is there any suggested price range for a short time?[/QUOTE]Man, there is a price indication given every five posts on ISG. RTFF

[QUOTE=Andy7;1287248]Guys, I'm landing up in Bangkok this weekend & moving straightaway to Pattaya. I've heard so much about 'walking street' that I want to explore that part first. Now my problem is that I do not consume hard drinks & being a first timer I'm getting little nervous & hesitant to visit go-go bars. Can you guys guide me as in how to negotiate with a girl on a street. I'm looking forward to take a lady to my room for ST for 1000 Baht. Now how should I go about it without landing myself in trouble. I mean how do you initiate?[/QUOTE]- Maybe you should try Soi 6 first of all as its easily mastered with standard pricing: 700 to the girl with 300 for the room ST. Good for first timers especially if you have never had a girl in your room before.

- Beach road will start at about 500 ST but I've paid up to 800 and seen it offered as low as 100 (which I did NOT take).

- Walking street would start at about 1000+ but beware that many girls circulate from BR and walking street and they just raise their prices due to location. To be honest its unless you drink its all a bit boring after a while.

I got these price point in December during high season but not sure if they are lower now.

SOP: You're best to open with these prices but it's all contingent on her looks and age. Don't be nervous, all they want is your money and its your job to make it as easy as possible. Just make an offer and see if she accepts it or not. Make sure you are able to tell if they are a ladyboy or not.

Good luck, I'll be heading to Pattaya on Monday.

There is some good advice posted here in the past week so RTFF just don't listen to that ass clown H444.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1287400]I had a friend in town recently and the first time he got out of my "guidance," a Pattaya go-go girl who he had BF'd convinced him to go visit mama and poppa and take the family out for a meal. Well, as the evening progressed all of her "cousins" and "brothers" joined the party, too! She even tried to convince him to give mama few thousand baht.

Poor guy thought he was having a cultural exchange![/QUOTE]A few years back before my cousin learned the hard way (as noted cousins are big the last few days) and this guy has been mongering for years and years everywhere in SEA. Regardless, he always said we are only friends and everytime I ask him what he's doing he tells me I went to see her folks? Then he comes back and complains and a few days later does the same thing? We use to call him Charlie Tuna, he gets thrown back into the ocean and he gets caught again and again.

There was one trip I don't think he even got any pussy for two weeks even from girl he was too busy buying dinner for so many families in Pattaya?

LBM

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1287357]One I picked up last night in the disco. Just left 1000 baht under her cellphone when she went in to take a shower a few minutes ago. She is from Rayong and said her father is a policeman in Pattaya. No idea what her name is.[/QUOTE]MR. E a very nice catch and seriously for 1k for a FL? Knowing your past adventures am sure you did get your worth of 1k from her! I like such dames with meat at the right places than skinny ones, another reason to plan my trip out sooner!

Lots of interesting feedback following Mr. Know it All, Seen it All, Done it All and Bought the T-shirt's experience with dirty feet early in the week. Good to see him back on form with another one finishing her shower and finding the standard 1, 000 Baht tucked under her telephone. I must admit from the pictures she would have had to pay me 1, 000 Baht to sleep with her. For me she wouldn't pass the 'fat ass' test. If I had a choice I would pick a girl with dirty feet ahead of a fat ass any day of the week.

Lots of feedback from the Pattaya Legends (LBM & Daddy07) spurred on by good old Fon Dok who I thought had left the forum. Thankfully he's still here.

Daddy07 I like the link to the news story about the Israeli although I must admit I've never met an Israeli who leaves 100, 000 Baht just sitting in his room. There was also a link to another story about Taffy a British guy who suffered the same fate as the Israeli. Both these guys are in their sixties and maybe playing a game they shouldn't have been playing at that age. I like this comment from someone called Trevor below the story.

1. trevor says:

May 31, 2012 at 6:32 am.

Go to bar or go go, have a drink, pay barfine, go to room, get rid when deed done or stay with her if you like her. Its in the unofficial manuel of rules of Pattaya.

Mr. E has a different set of rules but it's a dangerous game he's playing. Even if he is a young fit guy ex-army who can take care of himself. I will always say follow Trevor's advice.

LBM – lots of good advice. I would just question the comment about DD. I don't know if it was ever great but from what I've heard standards have dropped with the new management. I also heard a few DD girls had moved to the Wilkom Inn and are providing the same services for a third of the price.

On the cousin front. Mine was here a few weeks back. We were busy doing things at the orphanage and didn't have a lot of spare time. We did make it to the Walking Street one night and enjoyed Lobster in Kings Seafood. We also found some girls later on the Beach Club who passed the dirty feet test. Mine stayed with me until 11 the next morning and whilst she was in the shower I put 2, 000 Baht under her bra which she'the left on the dressing table.

Mods – I've tried really hard with this posting. Please don't delete me.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1287452]A few years back before my cousin learned the hard way (as noted cousins are big the last few days) and this guy has been mongering for years and years everywhere in SEA. Regardless, he always said we are only friends and everytime I ask him what he's doing he tells me I went to see her folks?[/QUOTE]After reading all of the Neil Hutchison books I am ready to make my own adventures in the villages. But no matter how much I beg chicks never take me to see their folks. Am I not sucker enough? Maybe they think they will lose face because they already know that I won't shell out the dough.

The only opportunity that I had was with my ex-girlfriend. She was a PE teacher and wanted to go to the States to be a nanny so she could practice her English in preparation for a Master's in Communication. I helped her perfect her essays. She was approved and wanted me to go to the airport in BKK to meet her family when she was on the way out. I wasn't about to take a taxi from Pattaya both ways just to stay at the airport a few minutes so I declined. When she got to my country she said that we should just be friends and when I talked to her a year ago she was slated to marry some guy from New Jersey.

After reading your reports, I think I should stick to the places you guys have suggested for a while and keep an eye on walking street until I can make out the difference between Beach Road & WS girls. Thanks NIC & Pointy for Devildens & Soi6 suggestions. I've already been to devil-dens site & have decided to call upon few. Also I've short listed few escorts for my Bangkok stay between 3000-5000 range. But apart from this good stuff I was looking for some real sleazy fun that doesn't costs more than 500 Baht. This way you can strip & feel 2-3 in row, it has it own charm. But better I should learn the tricks first as advised. Thanks Guys.

I'm still looking for a reviews about 'Classroom' but no luck. Once again, is there any one? I'm actually interested to stay there for couple of days as they have some good stuff in their go-go bar.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1287357]One I picked up last night in the disco. We came to my place at 2:30. Now it is 12:30. She just left because she has a doctor's appointment at 1 due to a motorbike accident the other day. As usual no price discussion beforehand. Just left 1000 baht under her cellphone when she went in to take a shower a few minutes ago. She is from Rayong and said her father is a policeman in Pattaya. No idea what her name is.[/QUOTE]Very impressive ass on that one, Mr. E. Hope to see more like that when I arrive. Thanks for posting!

When pointy pointed out Soi6, I thought its a name of yet another go-go bar. But just googled & it seems that its quite a big area with lots of bars & each having loads of girls up & ready for FS. I don't know whether I got it right or wrong? But if thats the case I think I've found my place. Also some of you have mentioned that its quite safe. So does every bar here has 'sex + room' on the menu?

[QUOTE=Andy7;1287619]Also I've short listed few escorts for my Bangkok stay between 3000-5000 range. But apart from this good stuff I was looking for some real sleazy fun that doesn't costs more than 500 Baht. This way you can strip & feel 2-3 in row, it has it own charm. But better I should learn the tricks first as advised. Thanks Guys.[/QUOTE]I do not see the point to take escorts at 3/5000 when you can take a take away from a MP / Oily / Soapie for less and with more safety on ebing sure you get what you see, not to mention the performance. I think a soapie girl will not be a star fish whislt an escprt is always hit and miss

[QUOTE=Andy7;1287634]Soi6, I thought its a name of yet another go-go bar. But just googled & it seems that its quite a big area with lots of bars & each having loads of girls up & ready for FS. I don't know whether I got it right or wrong? But if thats the case I think I've found my place.[/QUOTE]Yes maybe you have found your place. It is time to RTFF Andy. There is a ton of info on Soi 6. Here is a map of Soi 6 to point you in the right direction.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1287636]I do not see the point to take escorts at 3/5000 when you can take a take away from a MP / Oily / Soapie for less and with more safety on ebing sure you get what you see, not to mention the performance. I think a soapie girl will not be a star fish whislt an escprt is always hit and miss[/QUOTE]May be you are right Bionicman but actually I have some fetishes for which I short listed after going through their services. Another reason is that I like mature stuff 45+ which is very hard to find in MP, I assume. So probably I'll try in Bangkok just to have a feel, Eden Club is going to be one for sure.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1287642]Yes maybe you have found your place. It is time to RTFF Andy. There is a ton of info on Soi 6. Here is a map of Soi 6 to point you in the right direction.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the guide Bumpo, I'll definitely search but still I want to hear from you guys first hand. Do you have to pay the bar fines in Soi6, is room included, does price vary, whats the lower & higher limit. I mean all such questions. Though I'm landing up there on Monday but still I'm curious to know.

[QUOTE=Andy7;1287652]Thanks for the guide Bumpo, I'll definitely search but still I want to hear from you guys first hand. Do you have to pay the bar fines in Soi6, is room included, does price vary, whats the lower & higher limit. I mean all such questions. Though I'm landing up there on Monday but still I'm curious to know.[/QUOTE]Soi 6, looks long but it isn't, around city block long? The general rule is you do ST at these places although you can take them for LT too. For short time you pay 300 baht for the room upstair and 700 baht for the girl service at that is FS. You should make sure what you are getting or what you want for the price. Don't be shy these girls have been around the block more than once. If ask whether you been to Thailand or Soi 6 before just lie! This is a good place to work on your game and negotiation skills. LT, is something like this 500 baht for the house and depending on the time you take them and your negotiation skills it is usually in the range of 1, 000/1, 500.

LBM

Bangkok v. Pattaya: I much prefer Pattaya, for it's laid-back, beach resort vibe. When I'm there I feel like I'm on HOLIDAY. It's totally chill. And of course, the play-for-pay scene is HUGE in Pattaya. That said, you should spend at least a few days in Bangkok. It's like Los Angeles on steroids. Leer at the smoking hot chicks on the sky train. See the temples and other touristy things. Have a suit tailored. (Victor and Jesse at Rajawongse. The BEST.) Check out the ultra-high-end shopping, dining and bars. Then get laid by one of the hotties from Nana or Soi Cowboy. I recommend spending two to four days in Bangkok at the END of your trip. You'll be bored with Pattaya by then. The Millennium Grand is nice, as is the Admiral Premier and the Pharchara Suites. It's convenient to be closer to the airport when it's time to fly out.

Lodging in Pattaya. Soi LK Metro vs. Closer to Walking Street: Pattaya is VERY small. You will have NO trouble staying on LK Metro and getting to Walking Street. You can EITHER walk WEST to Beach Road and catch the baht bus headed south, or walk EAST to Soi Buakaow and catch the baht bus headed south. Same same. If you bring a girl from Walking Street to Soi LK Metro, that's NO BIG DEAL. Once she's done she can find her way back no problem. Moreover, Soi LK has lots of adult fun in its own right. If you stay there you might discover that you don't want to head down to Walking Street. At least not every night. Several cool go-go clubs, some of which are just as neat their more famous cousins on Walking Street: Champagne, Office, MASH, Oasis. And a respectable number of beer bars, where if you look hard enough you can find somebody to spend the night with.

Finally. Once you go I doubt this will be your "first and ONLY trip." I suspect you'll be back.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1287357]One I picked up last night in the disco. We came to my place at 2:30. Now it is 12:30. She just left because she has a doctor's appointment at 1 due to a motorbike accident the other day. As usual no price discussion beforehand. Just left 1000 baht under her cellphone when she went in to take a shower a few minutes ago. She is from Rayong and said her father is a policeman in Pattaya. No idea what her name is.[/QUOTE]Damn dude, even with the Asian ladies you seem to find them with the nice round backsides. And ten hours for 1000 baht isn't bad at all. I got to change my ways and stop being such a cheap Charley.

Thanks for the report and pics.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1287642]Yes maybe you have found your place. It is time to RTFF Andy. There is a ton of info on Soi 6. Here is a map of Soi 6 to point you in the right direction.[/QUOTE]Good map but some of these bars are no longer there. Betty Boop is gone along with some others I don't remember the names. There's now a jewerly shop, a new massage shop, a pizza place and construction on going at one of the bars.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1287105]She has bigger arms than you.[/QUOTE]Damn Frenchy! You must work or have worked for the in the intelligence sector. Your insight is incredible! Keep up the great detective work! We, or maybe just me, are in awe of you awesome posts!

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1287750]Good map but some of these bars are no longer there. Betty Boop is gone along with some others I don't remember the names. There's now a jewerly shop, a new massage shop, a pizza place and construction on going at one of the bars.[/QUOTE]Another map, but all of Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1287403]Man, there is a price indication given every five posts on ISG. RTFF[/QUOTE]Hi Bionicman,

I totally love your curt and blunt ways with some mongers who want to know everything under the sun without themselves having to bat an eyelid. My inbox gets inundated with these PMs where they ask for stuff which can be found on ISG in ten minutes flat.

I salute your spirit of showing lazy bumasses their place and rightly so! Respect!

Red Mosquito

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1286735]Me and my cousin went up to my room and talked about what had happened. He said,"Man you must have choked her or something because it was all red around her neck." I thought about it and said,"You know what? I damn sure did. I completely forgot about it. Right after she kicked that TV I threw her on the bed and got on top of her and started choking the shit out of her. Then I dragged her ass out into the hall."

This just goes to show that no method is 100% foolproof and every now and then the tightest mongering system will experience kinks. I just hope not to have an incident of this caliber for a long time to come.[/QUOTE]Mr. E, as a fellow mongerer I completely understand what you went through and sympathise with you. Its only these 3-4 girls in a gang of 100 who would sully up the whole scene and create shit for anyone. I would have lost my temper real bad had someone kicked my TV set just like that, it breaking or not withstanding.

Having said that, it aint too great an idea to probably choke someone to death in a foreign land. I would probably keep the ' getting angry and hitting someone' barrier higher than I would in my homeland. I am sure you took a lesson out of the whole shit and the next great experience is going to make you forget this bad day in a jiffy.

You take care man.

Red Mosquito

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1287295]With all due respect Andy, you sound very green. I recommend that you stick with the Go Go's at least at first, where everything is easy peasy, until you learn the ropes. Hunting successfully for FL's on Beach Road requires a higher skill level and knowledge base than I think you possess at the present moment. Getting ripped off is one risk. Hooking up with a Kathoey is another. Baby steps Andy. Start with the Go Go's: places like Baccara, Heaven's Above, and Airport where everything is 99. 99% foolproof and nothing can go wrong. The girls are good looking and know how to take care of you. After a few nights in Pattaya, you can try your luck on Beach Road if you want. Chances are you will stick with the Go Go's because the Go Go's have more, better girls although at a higher price obviously. I walk Beach Road from my hotel to Walking Street every night while I am visiting Pattaya. I like the hunt vibe. But, honestly, the number of really attractive do able girls out there is quite low IMHO. Once in awhile I find a diamond. Most of the time, I just keep walking to my favorite Go Go’s.[/QUOTE]Here we go again. Another posting from me that the mods might take offence to and end up in the trash can. It's just when I see something so obviously BS I can't let it stand without adding the reality check.

Natty. Andy sounds green because he wants everytbody to believe it's his first time in Pattaya. The trouble is he's gone to such great lenghts to sound green he's over done it. He's gone too green. Anyway, I guess there is a reason for it. Great response from Natty here. For anyone really visting Pattaya for the first time take this advice.

[QUOTE=Red Mosquito;1287763]My inbox gets inundated with these PMs where they ask for stuff which can be found on ISG in ten minutes flat.[/QUOTE]The worst is when in the PM they do not even mention the country or town, but ask for information. We should answer: digit #1 for Europe, digit #2 for Asia, digit #3 for South America, digit #4 for North America, digit#5 for Africa, and so on and so on. Ending with "Thank you for writing to the Yellow Pages of International Sex, your account will be charged by 10$ for each inquire." - cheers and keep cool, mate! :)

[QUOTE=Andy7;1287650]May be you are right Bionicman but actually I have some fetishes for which I short listed after going through their services.[/QUOTE]I still believe you can have some fetishes better sorted the way I sugggested, as you can see this with the mama-san or even with the girl. When you take escorts the deal is very unpersonal: you call, you are given a quote, they will say to many things to get the business, they send the girl, you pay her (before) , and then. Good luck! What do you do if she does not perform your fetishes? Send her back with the guarantee card stamped by the dealer? Escorts are already a big bete on what youget comapred to what you booked.

Even MP's etc having a photo book at reception (and the girls few meters away) have photoshopped images.

Would you have photoshopped pictures to promote someone that a few minutes after and a few meters away, when called, will reveal not her beauty but the skills of the photoshop guy? Not in a normal business. This is what happens there, tho'!

Go imagine the level of cheating that can be delivered with an escort.

Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=Bunky; 1287716]Bangkok v. Pattaya: I much prefer Pattaya, for it's laid-back, beach resort vibe. When I'm there I feel like I'm on HOLIDAY. It's totally chill. And of course, the play-for-pay scene is HUGE in Pattaya. That said, you should spend at least a few days in Bangkok. It's like Los Angeles on steroids. Leer at the smoking hot chicks on the sky train. See the temples and other touristy things. Have a suit tailored. (Victor and Jesse at Rajawongse. The BEST.) Check out the ultra-high-end shopping, dining and bars. Then get laid by one of the hotties from Nana or Soi Cowboy. I recommend spending two to four days in Bangkok at the END of your trip. You'll be bored with Pattaya by then. The Millennium Grand is nice, as is the Admiral Premier and the Pharchara Suites. It's convenient to be closer to the airport when it's time to fly out.

Lodging in Pattaya. Soi LK Metro vs. Closer to Walking Street: Pattaya is VERY small. You will have NO trouble staying on LK Metro and getting to Walking Street. You can EITHER walk WEST to Beach Road and catch the baht bus headed south, or walk EAST to Soi Buakaow and catch the baht bus headed south. Same same. If you bring a girl from Walking Street to Soi LK Metro, that's NO BIG DEAL. Once she's done she can find her way back no problem. Moreover, Soi LK has lots of adult fun in its own right. If you stay there you might discover that you don't want to head down to Walking Street. At least not every night. Several cool go-go clubs, some of which are just as neat their more famous cousins on Walking Street: Champagne, Office, MASH, Oasis. And a respectable number of beer bars, where if you look hard enough you can find somebody to spend the night with.

Finally. Once you go I doubt this will be your "first and ONLY trip." I suspect you'll be back.

Bunky[/QUOTE]As for your final quote about you suspecting I'll be back, I hope that Thailand blows me away (pun intended) to a point where I'll be planning a second trip back to Thailand on my plane ride back to the US. However, being realistic, this is my first to an Asian country and I've never sex'd asian women before. Compatible in bed? I'll see. In theory, a woman is a woman, but again, I'll see.

I'm coming and badly want to do the trip because I'm thinking (and hoping) that the sex in general will be so absolutely outstanding that it will overthrow my big booty fetish (reason for so many trips to Brazil) , plus the bottom line is that the place looks fun and I want to have a lot of fun in between all the fuck sessions and it just looks like to me that there are like a million different options on shit to do out there, so I won't get bored, like I do on my Dominican Republic trips. For instance, I also have a strong desire to ride an elephant while out there. When I say ride an elephant, I'm not referring to banging a fat chick, I'm talking an actual elephant. Dammit, don't ask me why.

Normally I do about 3 trips to different countries a year, mainly to DR or Brazil. Thailand is such a big deal to me this year that I decided that Thailand will be my one and only trip. Every dollar will be saved towards this trip. 2012 (when the world supposedly ends, right?) is the year of Thailand! Well if the world ends, I want to go out with a bang (again, pun intended).

Thanks to feedback such as yours and other feedback received, I have made the decision to do the last 5 nights of my 3 week trip in Bangkok. I really like the idea of finishing the trip in Bangkok and then being around the corner from the airport for when I will have to go back to the US. As for the Nana vs Soi Cowboy thing, my plan is to do both during the 5 nights and then make a decision as to which one I like better. Based on my readings, it seems that Nana has a bigger ladyboy scene, so I'm not happy about that at all. Don't want them touching me or talking to me. It will probably make me hang out more on Cowboy, but we'll see.

Overall, I hope that the end result of this trip is that I'm crying like a baby on the ride to the airport, as I realize that I'm leaving paradise for a ride back to the United States, aka Sex Prison.

[QUOTE=The Windex Man;1287840]I've never sex'd asian women before. Compatible in bed? I'll see. In theory, a woman is a woman, but again, I'll see.[/QUOTE]You're in for a BIG Surprise.

But like All newbies, you will have Awesome moments and bad ones, you will get ripped off, you will get angry sometimes with the Thais.

Just Remember one thing and this will be the most important: NEVER MAKE A THAI LOSE FACE IN PUBLIC = This could result in you getting put to sleep forever.

Apart from that, I suggest you NOT to try the Following at the start: MANGO, TULIP, SNOW WHITE, DEVILS DEN, EDEN CLUB. These places are so Raunchy they will make everything else feel Bland.

[QUOTE=The Windex Man; 1287840]As for your final quote about you suspecting I'll be back, I hope that Thailand blows me away (pun intended) to a point where I'll be planning a second trip back to Thailand on my plane ride back to the US. However, being realistic, this is my first to an Asian country and I've never sex'd asian women before. Compatible in bed? I'll see. In theory, a woman is a woman, but again, I'll see.

I'm coming and badly want to do the trip because I'm thinking (and hoping) that the sex in general will be so absolutely outstanding that it will overthrow my big booty fetish (reason for so many trips to Brazil) , plus the bottom line is that the place looks fun and I want to have a lot of fun in between all the fuck sessions and it just looks like to me that there are like a million different options on shit to do out there, so I won't get bored, like I do on my Dominican Republic trips. For instance, I also have a strong desire to ride an elephant while out there. When I say ride an elephant, I'm not referring to banging a fat chick, I'm talking an actual elephant. Dammit, don't ask me why.

Normally I do about 3 trips to different countries a year, mainly to DR or Brazil. Thailand is such a big deal to me this year that I decided that Thailand will be my one and only trip. Every dollar will be saved towards this trip. 2012 (when the world supposedly ends, right?) is the year of Thailand! Well if the world ends, I want to go out with a bang (again, pun intended).

Thanks to feedback such as yours and other feedback received, I have made the decision to do the last 5 nights of my 3 week trip in Bangkok. I really like the idea of finishing the trip in Bangkok and then being around the corner from the airport for when I will have to go back to the US. As for the Nana vs Soi Cowboy thing, my plan is to do both during the 5 nights and then make a decision as to which one I like better. Based on my readings, it seems that Nana has a bigger ladyboy scene, so I'm not happy about that at all. Don't want them touching me or talking to me. It will probably make me hang out more on Cowboy, but we'll see.

Overall, I hope that the end result of this trip is that I'm crying like a baby on the ride to the airport, as I realize that I'm leaving paradise for a ride back to the United States, aka Sex Prison.[/QUOTE]Trust me my brother, your going to forget about Rio as soon as one of those Honeys grabs your hand, and places them around her waist, and she turns around and grinds her behind on your thang, while Kanye West is bumping in the backround!

I guarantee you'll be back. Never met ONE BROTHER that hung out in Rio, that didn't go back to Pattaya! Thats real talk. 3 wks. My goodness, listen to some of these cats, few days in Bangkok is a good look.

I personally never kicked it in Bangkok, so I'll be gettn a heads UP from you. That Skytrain sounds like its off the chain! They'll probably kick me off for riding it so much. I got to couple of Honeys in Pattaya encouraging me to go to Bangkok.

And you got honeys from Bangkok that like to come down to Pattaya for the wkd. Thats the beauty of this place so many options or " jump-offs " (honeys you meet " off the grid " ie: the mall, hotel, waitresses, on the street, working in the stores)

And thats just in Pattaya! But I plan to Deploy to Bangkok on my next trip in Dec.

And keep these " horror stories " about these chicks in your back pocket. That shit can happen to anyone, vet or rookie. Real talk. That's why I tend to kick it mainly in the Discos, so I can get a better vibe from a honey. I get a better experience from a chick that's feeln me vs. Me feeln them. You feeling me? All money aint good money, unfortunately there's some " wet firecrackers out there". Sometimes its better to take a loss, for a better win. That shit in Columbia with those Secret Sukas should have NEVER WENT DOWN like that. Don't tangle with these honeys if you find yourself in a jam. Remember its thier country and you don't know who's she's with or what. If you have to Pay to get this * out, then that's what you do. I guarantee that " * " is a problem with everyone. Tomorrow is a another day. And you got over 40. 000 other women out there.

Your new chapter is starting My Brother, wait till you get off that plane. LOL

Between the lines, my opinion, you aren't coming back because I sense your expectation are getting too high. When that happens you will start to count and keep score and that just takes any fun out of a vacation or holiday? You are way over thinking this trip? I like the booty as much as the next person but there is more to it than just her backside?

LBM

[QUOTE=The Windex Man; 1287840]As for your final quote about you suspecting I'll be back, I hope that Thailand blows me away (pun intended) to a point where I'll be planning a second trip back to Thailand on my plane ride back to the US. However, being realistic, this is my first to an Asian country and I've never sex'd asian women before. Compatible in bed? I'll see. In theory, a woman is a woman, but again, I'll see.

I'm coming and badly want to do the trip because I'm thinking (and hoping) that the sex in general will be so absolutely outstanding that it will overthrow my big booty fetish (reason for so many trips to Brazil) , plus the bottom line is that the place looks fun and I want to have a lot of fun in between all the fuck sessions and it just looks like to me that there are like a million different options on shit to do out there, so I won't get bored, like I do on my Dominican Republic trips. For instance, I also have a strong desire to ride an elephant while out there. When I say ride an elephant, I'm not referring to banging a fat chick, I'm talking an actual elephant. Dammit, don't ask me why.

Normally I do about 3 trips to different countries a year, mainly to DR or Brazil. Thailand is such a big deal to me this year that I decided that Thailand will be my one and only trip. Every dollar will be saved towards this trip. 2012 (when the world supposedly ends, right?) is the year of Thailand! Well if the world ends, I want to go out with a bang (again, pun intended).

Thanks to feedback such as yours and other feedback received, I have made the decision to do the last 5 nights of my 3 week trip in Bangkok. I really like the idea of finishing the trip in Bangkok and then being around the corner from the airport for when I will have to go back to the US. As for the Nana vs Soi Cowboy thing, my plan is to do both during the 5 nights and then make a decision as to which one I like better. Based on my readings, it seems that Nana has a bigger ladyboy scene, so I'm not happy about that at all. Don't want them touching me or talking to me. It will probably make me hang out more on Cowboy, but we'll see.

Overall, I hope that the end result of this trip is that I'm crying like a baby on the ride to the airport, as I realize that I'm leaving paradise for a ride back to the United States, aka Sex Prison.[/QUOTE]As a lover of women worldwide. I took my 1st soiree' to LOS last September for 1 month Holiday.

I have traveled to Costa Rica, Brazil, Dominican Republic, and the good ole USA in search of fine ladies and had a great time. Loved all these places. BUT.

Since that Sept '11 trip to Pattaya, I have been back in Jan '12 for 2 weeks, April '12 for 1 month, and going again August '12 for 2 more weeks. There is no other like LOS. I am from the USA and do not care of the long flight to get there as the sheer number of Fine ladies I know awaits me, gets me through. And the price. Well thats another discussion. NO WHERE compares. To price and amount of available ladies.

Just had a weird experience with DD. I went through the online booking system to order an outcall service (Gik. 3 PM today). They replied confirming the reservation, all well. Comes 15:30, and the girl has not shown up yet. I email back asking what's going on, and they reply saying they did not send her because they believe this was a fake booking, adding this.

"In the extremely unlikely event we made an error, simply present yourself, in person at our LK Metro establishment, answer a few questions and permit us to copy your passport I'd page for verification. If satisfied, we would then be willing to discuss the possibility of providing you service."

Whoever wrote this sounds liek somebody that has not realized they are in Pattaya.

Has anybody had any positive experience booking outcalls with them?

Ta

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1288105]Between the lines, my opinion, you aren't coming back because I sense your expectation are getting too high. When that happens you will start to count and keep score and that just takes any fun out of a vacation or holiday? You are way over thinking this trip? I like the booty as much as the next person but there is more to it than just her backside?

LBM[/QUOTE]When you say that there is more to a person than just her backside, you are absolutely right. That is why I am coming on this trip, because after years and years of not realizing that, I finally woke up and bought the plane ticket. I want to go, so I'm going. No more excuses. Overthinking, yep, it's a personality trait (perfectionism. Strong motivation to avoid failure) that drives my family nuts from time to time. However even though it drives them nuts, I'm the one that they count on to plan all of their trips and solve all of their problems. Go figure. I'm doing it here again, but I've also done it before my first Rio trip (returned) and my first DR trip (returned). Hell, I did it before my first shitty Cancun trip as well (did not return). It's just something I always do before doing anything brand new: studying the language, reading all kinds of books on the country, reading old ISG posts going back a couple of years, etc. Excitement level is high right now and I realize that I need to bring it down a few notches, because like you are stating, if the expectation is too high, then anything below it will be considered a letdown in my book.

As my brother has told me on more than one occasion: "CALM the fuck down. It is going to be okay"

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1287843]You're in for a BIG Surprise.

But like All newbies, you will have Awesome moments and bad ones, you will get ripped off, you will get angry sometimes with the Thais.

Just Remember one thing and this will be the most important: NEVER MAKE A THAI LOSE FACE IN PUBLIC = This could result in you getting put to sleep forever.

Apart from that, I suggest you NOT to try the Following at the start: MANGO, TULIP, SNOW WHITE, DEVILS DEN, EDEN CLUB. These places are so Raunchy they will make everything else feel Bland.[/QUOTE]I didn't know about Thai rule, so I appreciate the warning. Also wrote in my notebook the names of all the raunchy places you mentioned. I knew about Devils Den and will make sure to visit the others as well. That, along with your excellent post listing the BJ Bars have been duly noted. Windex loves RAUNCHY.

[QUOTE=Starchildxxx; 1287981]Trust me my brother, your going to forget about Rio as soon as one of those Honeys grabs your hand, and places them around her waist, and she turns around and grinds her behind on your thang, while Kanye West is bumping in the backround!

I guarantee you'll be back. Never met ONE BROTHER that hung out in Rio, that didn't go back to Pattaya! Thats real talk.[/QUOTE]Damn, you never met ONE BROTHER who did Rio that didn't go back to Pattaya? That says a whole lot right there!

Yeah man, I am definitely pumped up and ready to go. Like you mention, I already know that I will be spending a lot of time in the clubs / the discos. I love dancing with women in these types of spots and it seems to give me an indication of how they are going to be in the bedroom. Clubs here in the US are full of shit, but when I travel internationally and hit these spots and see these beautiful women laughing, drinking, sweating and shaking their asses to a hip hop tune, all I can say is "DAMN, this is why I work hard at my job every fucking day, so I can come here and see this!"

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1288118]I can guarantee you 1 thing. The sex WILL not be outstanding as you wish.

Another thing hot shapely girls is just 1 thing that Thailand does not offer in abundance. Hahahaha.

You are in for a huge letdown. Sorry to break the news to ya sirr![/QUOTE]Even though I'm pretty new to this forum, the one thing that I've surely learned from reading old posts is that you constantly say things for the pure enjoyment of pissing other ISG members off, so I'm not sure if I can take your quote seriously. However if that's truly your opinion, it's truly your opinion. I'll still see for myself in November.

[QUOTE=The Windex Man;1288229]I didn't know about Thai rule, so I appreciate the warning. Also wrote in my notebook the names of all the raunchy places you mentioned. I knew about Devils Den and will make sure to visit the others as well. That, along with your excellent post listing the BJ Bars have been duly noted. Windex loves RAUNCHY.[/QUOTE]If you love Raunchy then the EDEN CLUB, MANGO, SNOW WHITE and DEVILS DEN are a MUST.

For BJ Bars, there is only one that Matters: SOL (The STAR of LIGHT). Go at the right time of day and it's a public fuck fest in there. Go sit next to a fello monger on the sofa and get blown by 1 or 2 girls, all in the open! (not for the shy guys).

Basically, Always keep your cool, smile a lot and say no when you don't want something. Getting Angry with thais can end badly. In Bangkok, Stay at the Livingstone Lodge, GIOTTO can help you a lot there.

[quote=starchildxxx; 1287981]]

and keep these " horror stories " about these chicks in your back pocket. that shit can happen to anyone, vet or rookie. real talk. that's why i tend to kick it mainly in the discos, so i can get a better vibe from a honey. i get a better experience from a chick that's feeln me vs. me feeln them. you feeling me? all money aint good money, unfortunately there's some " wet firecrackers out there". sometimes its better to take a loss, for a better win. that shit in columbia with those secret sukas should have never went down like that. don't tangle with these honeys if you find yourself in a jam. remember its thier country and you don't know who's she's with or what. if you have to pay to get this * out, then that's what you do. i guarantee that " * " is a problem with everyone. tomorrow is a another day. and you got over 40. 000 other women out there.[/quote]mos def words to live by in thailand. personally i haven't had any problems in thailand but i'm quite conservative and place safety first above all. perusing online pattaya papers should give you an idea what can happen. drugged and robbed.

went past [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] this afternoon and was really depressed at the lineup. fuglies all.

i'll go out to br tonite to see what the talent is looking like but given the crackdown i read about i am not optimistic

@ sankid: what's price range at airport st / lt can be considered reasonable? friggin search function brings up irrelevent shite.

[QUOTE=The Windex Man;1288239]Even though I'm pretty new to this forum, the one thing that I've surely learned from reading old posts is that you constantly say things for the pure enjoyment of pissing other ISG members off, so I'm not sure if I can take your quote seriously. However if that's truly your opinion, it's truly your opinion. I'll still see for myself in November.[/QUOTE]There is an IGNORE OPTION on the forum which is recommended in his case. Go ahead with your plans, you would surely have a great time otherwise you would not find Thailand as the most active forum on ISG and then again so many tourists specially single males flying to Thailand!

[QUOTE=The Windex Man;1288239]I'm not sure if I can take your quote seriously.[/QUOTE]Simply don't, and don't feed the trolls.

[QUOTE=Horny Landoora;1288340]There is an IGNORE OPTION on the forum which is recommended in his case. Go ahead with your plans, you would surely have a great time otherwise you would not find Thailand as the most active forum on ISG and then again so many tourists specially single males flying to Thailand![/QUOTE]He has been added to the Ignore List. It's obvious based on reading past posts that his mission is to say whatever possible in order to try to create fights / arguments in this forum. There's no need for that. Interested in learning something in this forum, not see people fight all the time.

Looking forward to the Thailand adventure. Thanks!

[QUOTE=The Windex Man;1288461]He has been added to the Ignore List.[/QUOTE]I have that Bastard on Ignore as well, but he will not disappear forever, you will still see his posts when someone Quotes him. H444 is like Herpes, you can't really get rid of him, he always keep coming back

[QUOTE=Peraxx; 1288193]Just had a weird experience with DD. I went through the online booking system to order an outcall service (Gik. 3 PM today). They replied confirming the reservation, all well. Comes 15:30, and the girl has not shown up yet. I email back asking what's going on, and they reply saying they did not send her because they believe this was a fake booking, adding this.

"In the extremely unlikely event we made an error, simply present yourself, in person at our LK Metro establishment, answer a few questions and permit us to copy your passport I'd page for verification. If satisfied, we would then be willing to discuss the possibility of providing you service."

Whoever wrote this sounds liek somebody that has not realized they are in Pattaya.

Has anybody had any positive experience booking outcalls with them?

Ta[/QUOTE]Hi Peraxx,

Not possible this was us, but can be reasonably sure it was the fraudulent site "-ww. Devilsdenpattaya. Com" please read on.

We have no single lady booking requests by email for Gik alone at 3pm going all the way back to April. Also, this is not the reply we use for private residences, what we use:

"Hi, we noticed that you are staying in a Villa / condo / house. Unfortunately, since there is no reception, the only way we can confirm your details is in person. Therefore, we require that you stop by the club to pick the ladies up and present valid identification at this time.

Would you like to proceed with this booking request?

Regards, (Manager on Duty)"

The reason for this is obvious, the safety of our staff, for which I make no apology.

The response you received looks like it was written on a phone (the email reply) as the I'd has been autocorrected to I'd. This happens on a phone, but not on a PC.

The correct url is;

[url]www.devilsdenthailand.com[/url]

When booking through our site you will receive an auto response;"No-reply", almost immediately confirming merely the receipt of your email. You will then receive a full response within 12-14 hours.

[QUOTE=Peraxx; 1288193]Just had a weird experience with DD. I went through the online booking system to order an outcall service (Gik. 3 PM today). They replied confirming the reservation, all well. Comes 15:30, and the girl has not shown up yet. I email back asking what's going on, and they reply saying they did not send her because they believe this was a fake booking, adding this.

"In the extremely unlikely event we made an error, simply present yourself, in person at our LK Metro establishment, answer a few questions and permit us to copy your passport I'd page for verification. If satisfied, we would then be willing to discuss the possibility of providing you service."

Whoever wrote this sounds liek somebody that has not realized they are in Pattaya.

Has anybody had any positive experience booking outcalls with them?

Ta[/QUOTE]Hi Peraxx, did not know you were still here in Pattaya, just met you in the club so you know the score now anyway. Sorry I had to dash off, I hope you got what you needed.

Cerberus

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1288532]I have that Bastard on Ignore as well (snip)[/QUOTE]Same here. ISG is better since I decided to IGNORE H444.

Try it, you'll like it.

C4T

[QUOTE=Cerberushellio; 1288646]Hi Peraxx, did not know you were still here in Pattaya, just met you in the club so you know the score now anyway. Sorry I had to dash off, I hope you got what you needed.

Cerberus[/QUOTE]I seriously doubt we have ever met, but I've been around long enough to have met some of the staff. Maybe next time.

The website I used is devlisdenpattaya. Com, that seems to have pretty much the same content as devilsdenthailand. Com. Can't really tell which is which amongst all claims and counter-claims. Words on the internet are cheap.

Suggestion: use markmonitor. Com, they are really good at lawyering around internet IP.

[QUOTE=Peraxx; 1288876]I seriously doubt we have ever met, but I've been around long enough to have met some of the staff. Maybe next time.

The website I used is devlisdenpattaya. Com, that seems to have pretty much the same content as devilsdenthailand. Com. Can't really tell which is which amongst all claims and counter-claims. Words on the internet are cheap.

Suggestion: use markmonitor. Com, they are really good at lawyering around internet IP.[/QUOTE]That is the fraudulent site, check, there will be no telephone number, no link to facebook, all the HIV certs will be at least 6 months out of date. The telephone number is and has been for close on 4 years 087 149-1996. And the real site does not thank some Police General in Thai 555.

My apologies for thinking it was you in the club yesterday, guy with the same problem walked in to sort it out and mentioned ISG so I made the now known to be false assumption that it was you. Thanks for the suggestion regards markmonitor I will follow that up.

First punt of Pattaya was with Anne at Saigon Girl in Soi 6. The girls wear fishnet suspenders which is a turn-on for me. Anne as usual is from Issan with aged about 28 years but looks to be 20 at most. Only a few tattoos but claimed to have been working there for few weeks. She had a kid but unlike other girls there her stomach was wrinkle free. Usual price was 700 for her 300 to the house.

Upstairs she revealed a near flawless body and after a shitty time at the airport trying to get a taxi Thailand redeemed itself. BBBJ was not that good and it was clearly not her speciality but she can take a good pounding. Doggy was great and I fucked her with a finger in the butt. Not sure if she does anal but I wanted to get off to a slow start.

Just discovered Soi 6 is closed for the day as it is some kind of buddhist holiday so will try other option tonight.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1289158]Upstairs she revealed a near flawless body and after a shitty time at the airport trying to get a taxi Thailand redeemed itself.[/QUOTE]What was the issue getting a taxi at the airport? I'm curious because I've never had a problem at the airport, but I had a problem getting a taxi from patts to the airport in February.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai; 1288753]Same here. ISG is better since I decided to IGNORE H444.

Try it, you'll like it.

C4T[/QUOTE]I did too. Quite confrontational and stupid.

[QUOTE=Andy7;1287634]When pointy pointed out Soi6, I thought its a name of yet another go-go bar. But just googled & it seems that its quite a big area with lots of bars & each having loads of girls up & ready for FS. I don't know whether I got it right or wrong? But if thats the case I think I've found my place. Also some of you have mentioned that its quite safe. So does every bar here has 'sex + room' on the menu?[/QUOTE]If you're driving a motoribike and need to make a U-Turn to get back to 2nd road. Be warned that the next alley type street, Soi 6/1 is full of ladyboys.

You can buy an iPhone or iPad directly online with free shipping [url]http://store.apple.com/th[/url] But I went to TukCom and tried to get an iPhone for the same price as the Apple Store. The shops I went to wanted to charge me 1000-2000 baht over the online price after giving me their 'discount' and when I showed them the Apple Store price asking to match it but they kept saying it was an online promotion which it's not. I thought I'd let everybody know that they can buy direct with documentation from Apple if you want one in Thailand.

[QUOTE=David 2;1289354]What was the issue getting a taxi at the airport? I'm curious because I've never had a problem at the airport, but I had a problem getting a taxi from patts to the airport in February.[/QUOTE]If you land after 12 then the city train is closed and you're forced to line up and be allocated a taxi to get in the city. I must have it a bad time when a heap of international flights had come in and had to wait 40 minutes. Not cool.

I usually use the Bell travel bus to the airport so no problems there.

BR options were limited last night but managed to pull some MILF-filth and make the most of the situation. Let's hope the situation is an anomalie.

Does anyone know what the deal is with the groups of arabs taking one girl, is it some kind of gangbang situation or does she just go with one of them?

[QUOTE=The Scout; 1289480]You can buy an iPhone or iPad directly online with free shipping.

[url]http://store.apple.com/th[/url]

But I went to TukCom and tried to get an iPhone for the same price as the Apple Store. The shops I went to wanted to charge me 1000-2000 baht over the online price after giving me their 'discount' and when I showed them the Apple Store price asking to match it but they kept saying it was an online promotion which it's not. I thought I'd let everybody know that they can buy direct with documentation from Apple if you want one in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Thanks for informing us all about where to get Iphone cheap. This is what the forum is all about, going to Thailand to buy Iphones, and that too dirt cheap, Mongering and allied activities can be done elsewhere as well, but Thailand- Thats the place to go for Iphones, Hell yeah!

Red Mosquito

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1289484]If you land after 12 then the city train is closed and you're forced to line up and be allocated a taxi to get in the city.[/QUOTE]Go to the departure level and get one of the cabs dropping off passengers or standing around waiting for customers. Tell them you want meter only if you're going to BKK or negotiate if going to Pats. 1000b will do.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1289495]Go to the departure level and get one of the cabs dropping off passengers or standing around waiting for customers. Tell them you want meter only if you're going to BKK or negotiate if going to Pats. 1000b will do.[/QUOTE]Departure level after midnight is a pain. All asking for outrageous rates and no meter. You spend lots of time in strolling around avoiding police monitoring the lane. Not many taxi coming in at that time as most of flights leave by then and people already came earlier for check in. Its hit and miss, especially since you can't take elevators fom arrival level to departure level, but only escalators.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1289484]If you land after 12 then the city train is closed and you're forced to line up and be allocated a taxi to get in the city. I must have it a bad time when a heap of international flights had come in and had to wait 40 minutes. Not cool.

I usually use the Bell travel bus to the airport so no problems there.

BR options were limited last night but managed to pull some MILF-filth and make the most of the situation. Let's hope the situation is an anomalie.

Does anyone know what the deal is with the groups of arabs taking one girl, is it some kind of gangbang situation or does she just go with one of them?[/QUOTE]Seems some Arabs and but mainly Indians enjoy sloppy 8ths or 9ths for the right price

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1289484]If you land after 12 then the city train is closed and you're forced to line up and be allocated a taxi to get in the city. I must have it a bad time when a heap of international flights had come in and had to wait 40 minutes. Not cool.

I usually use the Bell travel bus to the airport so no problems there.

BR options were limited last night but managed to pull some MILF-filth and make the most of the situation. Let's hope the situation is an anomalie.

Does anyone know what the deal is with the groups of arabs taking one girl, is it some kind of gangbang situation or does she just go with one of them?[/QUOTE]Sadly, a lot of the time, the girl will go with one Arab (Indian guy) and then when she gets to the flat there are several other dudes there and they all take their turn. Needless to say, that was NOT what she planned. I've seen numerous incidents in which a group will come in and order ONE beer. They paw all the girls and a lot of them don't want to go with them. A lot of the clubs and mom and pop hotels won't cater to them. I've been in situations where there was a group of these guys in front of us going to a go-go and the doormen would tell them that the club was closed yet we would walk up from behind them and they would let us straight in.

[quote=gin and tonic;1289511]seems some arabs and but mainly indians enjoy sloppy 8ths or 9ths for the right price[/quote]i was wondering if it was a cultural or monetary thing that was in play here? i can't really understand why after spending the money on airfares and hotels one would scrimp on the girls and opt for a fmmmmmmm experience just to save 400 baht. i'm assuming that they have their own forums and would know about the costs beforehand. i'd say it was a cultural trait of indians to save money not that this is a bad thing as i do so myself in my own country but i ease up a bit more in los.

there is simply no way i'm willingly putting myself in the same room where i have to view another man's erect penis. i think this also explains my aversion to sol. it totally killed my mood to come out of the bathroom there to see some fat dude getting blown - apologies to nic if that was you. at least in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] they have curtains.

as a budget orientated monger myself out of choice i don't hit up the gogos for 2500 lt sessions but opt for soi 6 / br and bj bars to make the most of every dollar but there is a limit.

[QUOTE=The Scout; 1289480]You can buy an iPhone or iPad directly online with free shipping.

[url]http://store.apple.com/th[/url]

But I went to TukCom and tried to get an iPhone for the same price as the Apple Store. The shops I went to wanted to charge me 1000-2000 baht over the online price after giving me their 'discount' and when I showed them the Apple Store price asking to match it but they kept saying it was an online promotion which it's not. I thought I'd let everybody know that they can buy direct with documentation from Apple if you want one in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Sounds good but it will surely be intercepted at the post office, and by the time you're finished paying the customs duties and tariffs, it will probably cost you much more than if you just bought it at Tuk. Com.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1289526]Sounds good but it will surely be intercepted at the post office, and by the time you're finished paying the customs duties and tariffs, it will probably cost you much more than if you just bought it at Tuk. Com.[/QUOTE]Actually it might not be intercepted. I bought my ipad online at Apple store Singapore and 10 days later, it arrived at my home.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1289547]Actually it might not be intercepted. I bought my ipad online at Apple store Singapore and 10 days later, it arrived at my home.[/QUOTE]You were lucky.

I ordered a Sonic Care electric toothbrush from Amazon. Com that was priced less than $100. It was intercepted at the post office and I had to go fetch it in person. By the time the goons were finished with me the damn toothbrush cost me $150 USD.

I've also had care packages that my daughter sends me from time to time intercepted and I'm forced to pay duties on even less expensive items.

The extra cost one pays at Tuk. Com for a product made in America probably reflects the cutsom duties which must be paid here on imported goods.

It sucks!

[QUOTE=The Scout; 1289480]You can buy an iPhone or iPad directly online with free shipping.

[url]http://store.apple.com/th[/url]

But I went to TukCom and tried to get an iPhone for the same price as the Apple Store. The shops I went to wanted to charge me 1000-2000 baht over the online price after giving me their 'discount' and when I showed them the Apple Store price asking to match it but they kept saying it was an online promotion which it's not. I thought I'd let everybody know that they can buy direct with documentation from Apple if you want one in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Did you go to the Apple Store that is on the first floor in the back of Tukcom? Their prices are consistent with what I have seen online.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1289521]I was wondering if it was a cultural or monetary thing that was in play here? I can't really understand why after spending the money on airfares and hotels one would scrimp on the girls and opt for a FMMMMMMM experience just to save 400 baht.[/QUOTE]A 3 hour flight from India is not as expensive as a flight from Europe or America. In addition those guys usually stay more than 1 person to a room in cheaper hotels. So they are not used to spending as much money as you may be spending for everything. They are super budgeted in every aspect of their holiday, and not just in a gogo bar or on Beach Road.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1289500]Departure level after midnight is a pain. All asking for outrageous rates and no meter. You spend lots of time in strolling around avoiding police monitoring the lane. Not many taxi coming in at that time as most of flights leave by then and people already came earlier for check in. Its hit and miss, especially since you can't take elevators fom arrival level to departure level, but only escalators.[/QUOTE]Not sure where you're getting your info from. There are many flights around and after midnight both incoming and outgoing every night. Between 12 and 1 am there are well over 30 flights scheduled to arrival and 16 for departure. Departure level is a viable alternative to standing in the queued line and the taxis are available at those late hours. Because the drivers ask for a rate doesn't mean you have to pay it, negotiate like you do with everything else in Thailand.

[url]http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByAirport.do[/url]

[quote=run mann; 1289594]not sure where you're getting your info from. there are many flights around and after midnight both incoming and outgoing every night. between 12 and 1 am there are well over 30 flights scheduled to arrival and 16 for departure. departure level is a viable alternative to standing in the queued line and the taxis are available at those late hours. because the drivers ask for a rate doesn't mean you have to pay it, negotiate like you do with everything else in thailand.

[url]http://www.flightstats.com/go/flightstatus/flightstatusbyairport.do[/url][/quote]lot of the passengers do not arrive at airport at midnight for a 1am flight, that is what i mean when i say there are less taxis at midnight dropping passengers. the guy was landing after midnight, most likley in the ebst scenarioo out at 12. 30/1am. this puts him in the batch of the passengers arriving with those 30 or so flights you mention. i use departure level as much as i can but if i drop my eyes to the taxi level and do not see much people i save the hassle and go straight there. sometime police gets pretty much annoying with the taxi drivers and hassle them. so if youa re to obvious (it is already obvious anyhow) such as playing openly before their eyes they can't close them and start whistling around tothe drivers to move over.

had a driver who was fined after having picked me up. he had his lcience confirep001ed adn had to go the day after to get it back (with a fine, most likely) he was not happy at all 8probably it is in the agenda being caught from time to time).

negotiation is fine, but when you have one after the other (5-6) ignoring your (reasonable) counter-offer, well, i am not going to stroll much to save maybe 100b.

i use departure mainly to overcome the long waiting downstair, rather than for the 100b. speculation. especially at midnight or so, when you just want to go to your hotel after a flight.

It's crazy the number of arrivals after 12. There is clearly a demand for a midnight bus run to Pattaya. The bus companies could have easily filled up 3 maybe 4 coachloads and charged 300 baht to cover costs.

Re: Indians.

I been to Pattaya with a few NRI buddies but they were never refused entry. Maybe its how you carry yourself in general, go in smaller groups and dressed decently it makes all the difference to Thais. I have also noticed they tend to go for the fat chicks so maybe the gogos aren't really suited to them although whether this is due to personal taste or budgetary constraints I do not know.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1289590]Did you go to the Apple Store that is on the first floor in the back of Tukcom? Their prices are consistent with what I have seen online.[/QUOTE]I bought it online. I bought from "Winner" before and that looked like an iPhone store in TukCom but it just disappeared one day. I think buying online and having it tied to your apple account would help out if you need warranty repairs in the future.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1289526]Sounds good but it will surely be intercepted at the post office, and by the time you're finished paying the customs duties and tariffs, it will probably cost you much more than if you just bought it at Tuk. Com.[/QUOTE]They send direct to you through DHL if you are staying in Thailand. You sign for the package and it takes 3-5 days.

[QUOTE=Red Mosquito; 1289489]Thanks for informing us all about where to get Iphone cheap. This is what the forum is all about, going to Thailand to buy Iphones, and that too dirt cheap, Mongering and allied activities can be done elsewhere as well, but Thailand- Thats the place to go for Iphones, Hell yeah!

Red Mosquito[/QUOTE]It's a good idea to have a phone so you can communicate with mongers and who you might want to bang in the future. So after you get your cheap iPhone (and thai translation app! And WhatsApp!) you could head over to the new bars in Pratumnak. There's TheSquare on Pratumnak Hill at Soi 3 (Lounge, Zen, Eye Candy) , and The Lodge at the bottom of Soi 4, and Exxxotica on Pratumnak Road. Here's a sexy video. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxrFm9LiMd4[/url]

[QUOTE=The Scout;1289618]They send direct to you through DHL if you are staying in Thailand. You sign for the package and it takes 3-5 days.[/QUOTE]It still has to clear customs, whether it's DHL Fed Ex or whatever, the authorities know how to fleece you.

Sorry guys, but I have done many times the BKK-PTY & PTY-BKK by car on the same day without hassle.

Why not combine an "Apple" Trip with Some Mangoes and go back home?

I mean why not go to BKK Quickly, go to the Apple Store to buy the iphone (they have a 6 months no interest plan) , go to Mango Massage, fuck a mango up the cherry, and then go back to Pattaya.

The whole experience could be done in 6 hours.

I've seen reported a taxi cost of 1000 to Pattaya several times, from the airport, but how much is reasonable when you get a taxi in BKK center? Same cost? I tried a few taxis last time and none would go for 1000. We gave up and I ended up paying 1400.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1289650]I've seen reported a taxi cost of 1000 to Pattaya several times, from the airport, but how much is reasonable when you get a taxi in BKK center? Same cost? I tried a few taxis last time and none would go for 1000. We gave up and I ended up paying 1400.[/QUOTE]The other day I gave a guy 1300 from Nana. I met him the night before when he took me to the airport on the meter to pick up my Japanese friend. He went 140 all the way so I had to have him the next day to get back home. The last guy wouldn't go over 100 so you can understand my pain.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1289650]I've seen reported a taxi cost of 1000 to Pattaya several times, from the airport, but how much is reasonable when you get a taxi in BKK center? Same cost? I tried a few taxis last time and none would go for 1000. We gave up and I ended up paying 1400.[/QUOTE]If I well remember reading in here it is appr 1200. The bests is to set the meter and let it do the count. I once stipulated a forth and back trip somewhere with a tax and he quoted 1500b. When we left he set the meter and I was worried it did not stick to the agreed price as the meeter was running. When were back, after an undefinite and unpredicatable stop at destination, the meter, still running, showed 1475b. The guy made a good prediciton!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1289636]Sorry guys, but I have done many times the BKK-PTY & PTY-BKK by car on the same day without hassle.

Why not combine an "Apple" Trip with Some Mangoes and go back home?

I mean why not go to BKK Quickly, go to the Apple Store to buy the iphone (they have a 6 months no interest plan) , go to Mango Massage, fuck a mango up the cherry, and then go back to Pattaya.

The whole experience could be done in 6 hours.[/QUOTE]Do those 6 hrs includealso a stop to unlock your I-phone? .

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1289650]I've seen reported a taxi cost of 1000 to Pattaya several times, from the airport, but how much is reasonable when you get a taxi in BKK center? Same cost? I tried a few taxis last time and none would go for 1000. We gave up and I ended up paying 1400.[/QUOTE]I generally pay 1100 to 1300 Baht for a private car from Suriwongse Road to Pattaya (inc Tolls.)

Two weeks ago I paid 1800 Baht for a nice, newish 'luxury minibus' for 4 people with lots of luggage.

Hotman.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1289613]I have also noticed they tend to go for the fat chicks so maybe the gogos aren't really suited to them although whether this is due to personal taste or budgetary constraints I do not know.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1289521]I'd say it was a cultural trait of Indians to save money not that this is a bad thing as I do so myself in my own country but I ease up a bit more in LOS.

There is simply no way I'm willingly putting myself in the same room where I have to view another man's erect penis.

As a budget orientated monger myself out of choice I don't hit up the gogos for 2500 LT sessions but opt for Soi 6 / BR and BJ bars to make the most of every dollar but there is a limit.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Just saw some discussion happening around Indians and thought that as I am one from the country, might clarify the air a wee bit from my side. I have mongered reasonably extensively in Thailand and the ' uninitiated / first timer / miser / extremely low budget' Indian is someone who brings all of his ilk a bad name, but all fingers arent equal, and not everyone behaves in the same manner. I will tell the problems:

1. Most Indians come to Thailand as the tickets are really cheap and its foreign travel which is considered upmarket, at a price which beats the domestic airfares in some cases!. I guess the going rate should be 300USD for a return trip to Suvarnabhumi from Delhi or so. When a person flying out of Country for the first time comes to a culturally different society like Thailand, (in India open sex is still a taboo, more so among the lower strata of the society as well as the medium rung- prostitution is banned and enforced much strongly unlike Thailand. Nudity is uncommon). When such a person comes across to Thailand he has a mental imagery of being in a harem where he will be handed over a Thai girl with Visa on arrival. A sex starved person with a hige erection wants to place his weenie in any hole thats available, things like quality and experience can go F*ck themself. Hence most Indians would prefer the cheapest, as long as she's a human. Too bad, but not everyone is well to do and they only want a F*ck, period.

2. I would say some 50-70% of Indian tourists could be small time shopkeepers who buy loads of Thai clothing, its very popular in India- the fit and finish and sizes suits the Asians much better than the Europeans. So there's this huge demand. When these shopkeepers operating on wafer thin margins come to Thailand, then all money for mongering is going from their miniscule profits, and then again- they swivel towards the cheapest available C*nt.

3. The most irritating aspect- Nude shows are non existent in India. Cabarets were once popular but largely extinct now. When you come from a society where nudity is a strict no no, you really want to have a good time ina place where its culturally acceptable. The Indians would head to go go bars, see nude girls gyrating on poles, would NOT pick any chick, go back to their rooms and jerk off in the memories of what they just saw. This means no business for bar owner, no ladies drinks, nothing. Just free crowd ogling at girls. Thus, Rainbow has perhaps restricted entry of Indians and its the case of a few rats bringing a bad name to everyone in the community. The bard would allow would allow the white skinned men even though they may not pick anyone, but they will not allow a loaded Indian. And yes, my fellow men are to be blamed for it. Its a business both ways right? You can't just go inside a bar to have a huge erection and then use your hand later to ease yourself off LOL. No money exchange, no business.

4. A combination of first timers and shopkeepers would rent rooms with twin occupancy and both men will stay in same room. Its stretching your money to the hilt, irritating hilt I shall say. When one guy gets a girl, the other will sit in the lobby or wait and then he will take the same girl or different girl and bang her. The bargain price for a girl where she is getting two men one after the other would be lower than her going to two different clients- she saves time this way. This is again looking at sex as a ten minute fetish one has to have to get rid of the tension in the loins, the face of the girl, experience, figure be damned.

Unfortunate as it may be, seasoned, accomplished and reasonable mongers from the land of the Kama Sutra would also lose out on some good experiences courtesy a generic view of the Go Go bar owners community and fellow white skinned mongers.

I have always ensured the girls I have been with have a good time and its mutually pleasurable, whether the experience has been in the States, Macau, Thailand or elsewhere. And I am happy that I have rejected more girls than I have chosen. I guess its a case of being okay with the idea of spending and not look at the whole thing as drilling your dong in a hole for five minutes and get done with it, as also the fact that quality comes at a price and its the experience, not the act that matters.

Not afraid to call a spade a spade and the majority of Indian mongers in Thailand is something I would not like to be associated with as a friend or acquaintance. I know they are there to have probably the cheapest F*ck of their lives and the eternal kick of having screwed a foreigner or just to see nude girls gyrating in go go bars, go back to their hotel rooms and jerk off. I am happy to NOT belong to the herd and being Indian myself, would say that one has to cultivate the habit, grow up from being sex starved to such an extent that any female body would do and be okay to look at mongering in Thailand as an experience, not a quickie activity. Fortunately I was not so sex starved courtesy a great Girl friend, but for many others of my ilk the sexual frustration combined with keeping a tight grip on ones money results in unpleasant behavior all around. The majority defines the perception, but heck, so be it. The ratio of genuine players to suckers may be skewed, more in India than in other countries, but genuine good players do exist.

And thats the long and short of it.

Red Mosquito

When going somewhere by taxi in LOS the most important parameter for me is how to survive. It is not all about the price. I pay mostly 1500/2200BHT from Grand President to Pattaya / Hua Hin incl tollroad. What is important to me is I have my own working seatbelt and that the driver don't drive like there is no tomorrow. And ofcorurse a nice, relatively new and spacious car I prefer.

I am not, in anyway, impressed by most of the taxidrivers driving skills. They have no ability to plan ahead, use their eyes and look ahead. Even if they se breakinglights (atleast I see them) from a distance and traffic is queing up in front (slows down) they don't break until they realy have to and I find that relatively annoying. Maby this is not strange when I hear stories on how they obtain driving licenses in LOS.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1289680]Do those 6 hrs include also a stop to unlock your I-phone? .[/QUOTE]Of course, your iphone will be unlocked at EMPORIUM while you are busy exploring the Dark-Side of your Mango Girl

Thanks Red Mosquito for the interesting perspective.

To come to Thailand, roll up to a gogo and then go back to your hotel room and be reduced to masturbation is more than a little depressing. I wonder if cheaper end of the indian monger market will make their way to Cambodia. I once had a threesome there for $USD10 in '08 although of course price would have certainly risen.

Is this a bitter indictment on the sexual mores of Indian mongers and their expectations in general that they're satisfied with a 10 minute pump and dump rather than pay more for a full on GFE/PSE which they can then take those memories to their deathbed smiling?

On a brighter note I've just come back from a Soi 6 session at Red Light with Fern. She's 23 (so she claimed) with a decent body and no tattoos! Claimed she had only worked there for a couple of month and from what I discerned she wasn't hardcore but more for a semi GF experience. Not much English but she does have a sense of humour. Does an adequate BBBJ but its clearly not her forte but I go to BJ's for that. REALLY like to DFK which is why I classed her as semi-DFE and not a slutty hardcore performance. All up a decent experience. Cost was 300 for the room + 700 to her with 100 as a tip. Declined a photo so I think she only her for a brief visit.

[QUOTE=Red Mosquito; 1289723]Hmm. Just saw some discussion happening around Indians and thought that as I am one from the country, might clarify the air a wee bit from my side. I have mongered reasonably extensively in Thailand and the ' uninitiated / first timer / miser / extremely low budget' Indian is someone who brings all of his ilk a bad name, but all fingers arent equal, and not everyone behaves in the same manner. I will tell the problems:

1. Most Indians come to Thailand as the tickets are really cheap and its foreign travel which is considered upmarket, at a price which beats the domestic airfares in some cases. I guess the going rate should be 300USD for a return trip to Suvarnabhumi from Delhi or so. When a person flying out of Country for the first time comes to a culturally different society like Thailand, (in India open sex is still a taboo, more so among the lower strata of the society as well as the medium rung- prostitution is banned and enforced much strongly unlike Thailand. Nudity is uncommon). When such a person comes across to Thailand he has a mental imagery of being in a harem where he will be handed over a Thai girl with Visa on arrival. A sex starved person with a hige erection wants to place his weenie in any hole thats available, things like quality and experience can go F*ck themself. Hence most Indians would prefer the cheapest, as long as she's a human. Too bad, but not everyone is well to do and they only want a F*ck, period.

2. I would say some 50-70% of Indian tourists could be small time shopkeepers who buy loads of Thai clothing, its very popular in India- the fit and finish and sizes suits the Asians much better than the Europeans. So there's this huge demand. When these shopkeepers operating on wafer thin margins come to Thailand, then all money for mongering is going from their miniscule profits, and then again- they swivel towards the cheapest available C*nt.

3. The most irritating aspect- Nude shows are non existent in India. Cabarets were once popular but largely extinct now. When you come from a society where nudity is a strict no no, you really want to have a good time ina place where its culturally acceptable. The Indians would head to go go bars, see nude girls gyrating on poles, would NOT pick any chick, go back to their rooms and jerk off in the memories of what they just saw. This means no business for bar owner, no ladies drinks, nothing. Just free crowd ogling at girls. Thus, Rainbow has perhaps restricted entry of Indians and its the case of a few rats bringing a bad name to everyone in the community. The bard would allow would allow the white skinned men even though they may not pick anyone, but they will not allow a loaded Indian. And yes, my fellow men are to be blamed for it. Its a business both ways right? You can't just go inside a bar to have a huge erection and then use your hand later to ease yourself off LOL. No money exchange, no business.

4. A combination of first timers and shopkeepers would rent rooms with twin occupancy and both men will stay in same room. Its stretching your money to the hilt, irritating hilt I shall say. When one guy gets a girl, the other will sit in the lobby or wait and then he will take the same girl or different girl and bang her. The bargain price for a girl where she is getting two men one after the other would be lower than her going to two different clients- she saves time this way. This is again looking at sex as a ten minute fetish one has to have to get rid of the tension in the loins, the face of the girl, experience, figure be damned.

Unfortunate as it may be, seasoned, accomplished and reasonable mongers from the land of the Kama Sutra would also lose out on some good experiences courtesy a generic view of the Go Go bar owners community and fellow white skinned mongers.

I have always ensured the girls I have been with have a good time and its mutually pleasurable, whether the experience has been in the States, Macau, Thailand or elsewhere. And I am happy that I have rejected more girls than I have chosen. I guess its a case of being okay with the idea of spending and not look at the whole thing as drilling your dong in a hole for five minutes and get done with it, as also the fact that quality comes at a price and its the experience, not the act that matters.

Not afraid to call a spade a spade and the majority of Indian mongers in Thailand is something I would not like to be associated with as a friend or acquaintance. I know they are there to have probably the cheapest F*ck of their lives and the eternal kick of having screwed a foreigner or just to see nude girls gyrating in go go bars, go back to their hotel rooms and jerk off. I am happy to NOT belong to the herd and being Indian myself, would say that one has to cultivate the habit, grow up from being sex starved to such an extent that any female body would do and be okay to look at mongering in Thailand as an experience, not a quickie activity. Fortunately I was not so sex starved courtesy a great Girl friend, but for many others of my ilk the sexual frustration combined with keeping a tight grip on ones money results in unpleasant behavior all around. The majority defines the perception, but heck, so be it. The ratio of genuine players to suckers may be skewed, more in India than in other countries, but genuine good players do exist.

And thats the long and short of it.

Red Mosquito[/QUOTE]I do not think Indians are treated badly because of the reasons given above.

1. Many Indians cannot control themselves. They are loud and abnoxious irrespective of the locations. Even in the planes they talk in very loud tones irritating everybody. The reason maybe because with so much population Indians have lost respect for other human beings.

2. In India there is a definite ladder system in socio economic order. Upper ladder people treat lower ladder people very badly. So when they travel they think bars, bargirls can be treated as being from the lower rungs of the ladder. They do not even stop to think about the different way they have to behave in other countries cobtrary to how they behave in India.

Thai people always have respect for each other irrespective of poor or rich.

3. It is natural for any monger to look for cheapest way to have fun. It is not exclusive for Indians. You cannot take bargirls word for that. They change their talk according to what suits them.

If thai bar owners try to exclude all cheap charlies they would have no business. Do not know why Indians got the " Cheap charlie " name. Maybe because tourists from India long time ago could not compete with free spending American servicemen. Nowadays most Indians have money and will spend.

So bar owners really should not discriminite. They are loosing good business because there are plenty of Indians who are going to Thailand than before.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1289484]If you land after 12 then the city train is closed and you're forced to line up and be allocated a taxi to get in the city. I must have it a bad time when a heap of international flights had come in and had to wait 40 minutes. Not cool.[/QUOTE]I always arrange in advance to have one of the many Pattaya taxi companies pick me up at the airport. The cost is 1, 000 THB, and a driver is waving a sign with my name on it outside the arrival gates. 90 minutes later I'm at my hotel in Pattaya. Just google "Taxi Pattaya" and you'll find about 6 companies that provide this service. I've used it about 15 times so far, and it's always been fantastic. The drivers usually speak little or no English, but their boss has given them directions in Thai, so they know exactly where to take me. The cars are clean, comfortable, and safe.

But on my last return home from Pattaya to BKK in February, as I was waiting for my cab from the same company to pick me up at my hotel at 3:30 AM, they never showed up. When I called, they admitted that they had mistakenly written down the wrong date in their appointment book, and they didn't have a driver to send for me. YIKES. At 3:45 in the morning there were no cabs to be seen anywhere, but luckily one of the security guards from my hotel got on his motorbike and rode around town until he found a taxi-meter for me.

Next time I'll be certain to make arrangements with 2 cab companies to ensure that at least one shows up.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1289558]The extra cost one pays at Tuk. Com for a product made in America probably reflects the cutsom duties which must be paid here on imported goods.

It sucks![/QUOTE]The iPad is designed in America, but made in China. I ordered one directly from Apple in the US last Wednesday, and I've been tracking its progress from Chengdu, China to Guangzhou, China to Anchorage, Alaska to Memphis, Tennessee to Las Vegas. And it had to stop and clear customs in Anchorage just like humans do. I won't have to pay any duties or extra taxes when it arrives here tomorrow. You would think that they would have a similar setup for Thailand.

[QUOTE=Red Mosquito; 1289723]Hmm. Just saw some discussion happening around Indians and thought that as I am one from the country, might clarify the air a wee bit from my side. I have mongered reasonably extensively in Thailand and the ' uninitiated / first timer / miser / extremely low budget' Indian is someone who brings all of his ilk a bad name, but all fingers arent equal, and not everyone behaves in the same manner. I will tell the problems:

1. Most Indians come to Thailand as the tickets are really cheap and its foreign travel which is considered upmarket, at a price which beats the domestic airfares in some cases. I guess the going rate should be 300USD for a return trip to Suvarnabhumi from Delhi or so. When a person flying out of Country for the first time comes to a culturally different society like Thailand, (in India open sex is still a taboo, more so among the lower strata of the society as well as the medium rung- prostitution is banned and enforced much strongly unlike Thailand. Nudity is uncommon). When such a person comes across to Thailand he has a mental imagery of being in a harem where he will be handed over a Thai girl with Visa on arrival. A sex starved person with a hige erection wants to place his weenie in any hole thats available, things like quality and experience can go F*ck themself. Hence most Indians would prefer the cheapest, as long as she's a human. Too bad, but not everyone is well to do and they only want a F*ck, period.

2. I would say some 50-70% of Indian tourists could be small time shopkeepers who buy loads of Thai clothing, its very popular in India- the fit and finish and sizes suits the Asians much better than the Europeans. So there's this huge demand. When these shopkeepers operating on wafer thin margins come to Thailand, then all money for mongering is going from their miniscule profits, and then again- they swivel towards the cheapest available C*nt.

3. The most irritating aspect- Nude shows are non existent in India. Cabarets were once popular but largely extinct now. When you come from a society where nudity is a strict no no, you really want to have a good time ina place where its culturally acceptable. The Indians would head to go go bars, see nude girls gyrating on poles, would NOT pick any chick, go back to their rooms and jerk off in the memories of what they just saw. This means no business for bar owner, no ladies drinks, nothing. Just free crowd ogling at girls. Thus, Rainbow has perhaps restricted entry of Indians and its the case of a few rats bringing a bad name to everyone in the community. The bard would allow would allow the white skinned men even though they may not pick anyone, but they will not allow a loaded Indian. And yes, my fellow men are to be blamed for it. Its a business both ways right? You can't just go inside a bar to have a huge erection and then use your hand later to ease yourself off LOL. No money exchange, no business.

4. A combination of first timers and shopkeepers would rent rooms with twin occupancy and both men will stay in same room. Its stretching your money to the hilt, irritating hilt I shall say. When one guy gets a girl, the other will sit in the lobby or wait and then he will take the same girl or different girl and bang her. The bargain price for a girl where she is getting two men one after the other would be lower than her going to two different clients- she saves time this way. This is again looking at sex as a ten minute fetish one has to have to get rid of the tension in the loins, the face of the girl, experience, figure be damned.

Unfortunate as it may be, seasoned, accomplished and reasonable mongers from the land of the Kama Sutra would also lose out on some good experiences courtesy a generic view of the Go Go bar owners community and fellow white skinned mongers.

I have always ensured the girls I have been with have a good time and its mutually pleasurable, whether the experience has been in the States, Macau, Thailand or elsewhere. And I am happy that I have rejected more girls than I have chosen. I guess its a case of being okay with the idea of spending and not look at the whole thing as drilling your dong in a hole for five minutes and get done with it, as also the fact that quality comes at a price and its the experience, not the act that matters.

Not afraid to call a spade a spade and the majority of Indian mongers in Thailand is something I would not like to be associated with as a friend or acquaintance. I know they are there to have probably the cheapest F*ck of their lives and the eternal kick of having screwed a foreigner or just to see nude girls gyrating in go go bars, go back to their hotel rooms and jerk off. I am happy to NOT belong to the herd and being Indian myself, would say that one has to cultivate the habit, grow up from being sex starved to such an extent that any female body would do and be okay to look at mongering in Thailand as an experience, not a quickie activity. Fortunately I was not so sex starved courtesy a great Girl friend, but for many others of my ilk the sexual frustration combined with keeping a tight grip on ones money results in unpleasant behavior all around. The majority defines the perception, but heck, so be it. The ratio of genuine players to suckers may be skewed, more in India than in other countries, but genuine good players do exist.

And thats the long and short of it.

Red Mosquito[/QUOTE]Despite your adequate and reasonable explanation I bet someone will extrapalate this to thier narrow view point if thinking or xenophobia, you get wide spectrum of pepole in every community, yes some Indians are 'cheap charlies' because the why have been exposed to pverty and you can put it down to survival insinct, on other side of of coin I have seen some Europeans on beach road would put animal kingdom to shame

[QUOTE=David 2;1289756]The iPad is designed in America, but made in China. I ordered one directly from Apple in the US last Wednesday, and I've been tracking its progress from Chengdu, China to Guangzhou, China to Anchorage, Alaska to Memphis, Tennessee to Las Vegas. And it had to stop and clear customs in Anchorage just like humans do. I won't have to pay any duties or extra taxes when it arrives here tomorrow. You would think that they would have a similar setup for Thailand.[/QUOTE]Some are selling "all duties paid", ie delivered to your door with import duties pre-paid, and someare selling "free customs depot", ie import duties not paid. Thre is no way a commercial shipment escapes the customs when borders are crossed, unless it is a sample of small value.

Does anyone think that governments are letting tons of goods into their countries free of any duty? Dreamers!

[QUOTE=Red Mosquito; 1289723]Hmm. Just saw some discussion happening around Indians and thought that as I am one from the country, might clarify the air a wee bit from my side. I have mongered reasonably extensively in Thailand and the ' uninitiated / first timer / miser / extremely low budget' Indian is someone who brings all of his ilk a bad name, but all fingers arent equal, and not everyone behaves in the same manner. I will tell the problems: (___) And thats the long and short of it.

Red Mosquito[/QUOTE]All very well and neatly said!

Coming also from an involved party shows that the "issue" is not ignored and quite evident. Well done! And now. Hat about telling us the address of that MP XY where Miss YZ does fantastic *§§ jobs at a reasonably price and the telephone number ends by 6969 and. And. And. !

Just kidding, man. Take care and happy mongering

[quote=sammon; 1289745]i do not think indians are treated badly because of the reasons given above.

1. many indians cannot control themselves. they are loud and abnoxious irrespective of the locations. even in the planes they talk in very loud tones irritating everybody. the reason maybe because with so much population indians have lost respect for other human beings.

2. in india there is a definite ladder system in socio economic order. upper ladder people treat lower ladder people very badly. so when they travel they think bars, bargirls can be treated as being from the lower rungs of the ladder. they do not even stop to think about the different way they have to behave in other countries cobtrary to how they behave in india.

thai people always have respect for each other irrespective of poor or rich.

3. it is natural for any monger to look for cheapest way to have fun. it is not exclusive for indians. you cannot take bargirls word for that. they change their talk according to what suits them.

if thai bar owners try to exclude all cheap charlies they would have no business. do not know why indians got the " cheap charlie " name. maybe because tourists from india long time ago could not compete with free spending american servicemen. nowadays most indians have money and will spend.

so bar owners really should not discriminite. they are loosing good business because there are plenty of indians who are going to thailand than before.[/quote]hi man,

i agree to your responses to an extent but wouldn't relate them in totality to indians' mongering habits.

point 1- yes, many times when i am headed to bkok in thai airways flight i find loud and irritating fellowmen talking to each other in loud volume. this may be a bad trait per se but i don't think that this shall make them not cross the entry gate in go go bard, where anyhow the music is so loud. lol.

point 2-the indians would treat bar girl and bars as lower down the order. (trust me i don't think they dare to, the thai currency has 74% higher valuation than indian rupee) , couple it with the concept of being in a foreign land- i don't think they will take such liberties to show anyone down.

point 3-i agree its natural for anyone to find cheapest mongering. but not to the extent of closing eyes to experience and only wanting a 'female' per se, however ugly she looks. so there's a difference.

most indians would be in thailand owing to whole business trips of importing clothes wholesale to india, or on budget foreign trips. the ones with immense money would probably plan a vacation in europe or some exquisite place like vegas / hawaii.

since the whole middle / bottom rung crowd of india, mostly unpolished, sex starved at that is something thats coming to thailand, we may be getting a skewed picture of indians in thailand per se.

so i agree to your points in generic tone, but couldn't relate them to how it affects an indian's mongering sensibilities.

cheers.

red mosquito

[QUOTE=Pagal Chacha;1289760]Despite your adequate and reasonable explanation I bet someone will extrapalate this to thier narrow view point if thinking or xenophobia, you get wide spectrum of pepole in every community, yes some Indians are 'cheap charlies' because the why have been exposed to pverty and you can put it down to survival insinct, on other side of of coin I have seen some Europeans on beach road would put animal kingdom to shame[/QUOTE]I agree Chachaji,

Though I was just trying to be brutally frank and brusque on the issue despite of myself being an Indian, I suspect that it may lead to some fellow mongers strengthening their contrived notions about Indians which I thought of as an after thought but then, thought of letting go.

I fully agree on your point of their being cheap charlies in India and in Europe and in US- essentially boils down to what you want to do with your money or how much do you want to stretch your last cent, at the risk of being irritatingly miser in world view.

Its just that the pie of Indians who are thronging Bangkok may not represent the suave, polished, decent, well heeled mongers with good etiquettes and that reflects in their overalll behaviour here and thus creates prejudice. Almost all the Indians I have got a chance to speak to while boarding a flight to Bangkok are small time traders of Palika Bazaar or Ghaffar Market in Delhi who want to keep the expenses minimum and are reasonably unabashed about it and thus end up getting projected as cheapter rowdies.

A very good article on Indians in Thailand which I came across recently, not related to their mongering escapades though. Very well written, and truthful. :

[url]http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/art-culture/kill-the-indian-first[/url]

Keep buzzing.

Red mosquito

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1289745]If thai bar owners try to exclude all cheap charlies they would have no business. Do not know why Indians got the " Cheap charlie " name. Maybe because tourists from India long time ago could not compete with free spending American servicemen. Nowadays most Indians have money and will spend.

So bar owners really should not discriminite. They are loosing good business because there are plenty of Indians who are going to Thailand than before.[/QUOTE]I don't think that that there was ever a mass indian tourist market until now apart from traders and businessmen. It's only in the last 10 years or so has there been a wealthy middle class there.

Bar owners do have a right to discriminate because they are running a business. How long would a bar survive if its clientele brought a beer to share amongst a group of 5 drinking out of straws? The beef is that they can't discriminate wisely and do so wholly on race alone. Maybe if there was a modest entry fee which included a drink then this would sort out the wheat from the chaff.

I was wandering along BR tonight before the thunderstorm broke out and saw a well heeled middle-aged indian couple trying to conclude a deal with a FL there. It's good to know some Indians are up for a little Pattaya style experimentation to spice up their marriage

Good read, mosquito. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1289738]Thanks Red Mosquito for the interesting perspective.

To come to Thailand, roll up to a gogo and then go back to your hotel room and be reduced to masturbation is more than a little depressing. I wonder if cheaper end of the indian monger market will make their way to Cambodia. I once had a threesome there for $USD10 in '08 although of course price would have certainly risen.

Is this a bitter indictment on the sexual mores of Indian mongers and their expectations in general that they're satisfied with a 10 minute pump and dump rather than pay more for a full on GFE / PSE which they can then take those memories to their deathbed smiling?[/QUOTE]Yes it is depressing indeed PS, but many people. Shopkeepers and small time cloth merchants, who come here would do just that- for them- its a saving. LOL. Using what nature gave us- a hand.

In the brighter cities of Delhi / Mumbai etc, sexual mores are changing, people are more liberated, extra marital affairs (and divorces) are on the rise, promiscuity plays a big part in these cases all along, so sex is not so much of a taboo in changing India- it may not be in your face, but the dish is available and piping hot, you just need to look for it. But at the risk of sounding repetitive, Bangkok attracts an Indian tourist of a different kind and that F*cks it up. Had the ticket prices been equivalent to those for a return trip to US / Australia / NZ, you would have seen the slick Indian at work and he would not hesitate to mingle with the chicks he thinks are the best for him, pay them well (or not, if the chicks fall for him) and have a jollly good time. Education, riches and exposure to diversities in culture, more forward cultures than Indian, if possible are changing the equations and how.

Cheers!

Red Mosquito

I think every nation has its own cheap charlies. The size of the traveling population makes some citizenships standing out more than others. For sake of argument if Malta would have 50% of its travelers being "cc" they might get around unnoticed. If India has 0. 50% it will be visible and if PRC had 0, 01% God bless the visited country! A mongering destination, such as Thailand, being low priced also at mid-high levels, attracts more mongerers looking for The garden of eden. Coming from a country were the purchase power is low, they want to maximize their "investment". So more for less, to come back and tell the friends "how many", not "what quality". India has a large population, hence the high numbers. In their contry the stunners are unreachable, hence the low quality expectations paired to the price factor. 1000b is good money in Thailand and so is in India too, hence the need to spend much less, based on a daily budget, linked to the need of doing many. If I allot 5000b a day, I can chose to have 4 or 5 times a FL at nana park, or 1 time a memorable one, my choice, but still 5000b is for the daily fun. They probably allot 1/2000b and want at least 4-5, so they move to the 4/500b girls, with all what this means. Indians are also the closest non Asian visitors so they come in numbers and also stand out more.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1289801]Indians are also the closest non Asian visitors so they come in numbers and also stand out more.[/QUOTE]One thing for sure which the world would have to get used to is seeing more Indians everywhere. India and China are emerging powers. The disposable income in these countries is on the rise and the outbound tourism from them is also going to increase steadily! This results in cheap air ticket offers for people and considering from price point a holiday in Thailand is cheaper than someplaces itself in India people throng to Thailand for their short term holidays! Apart from that the exchange conversion is also in their favour as a baht is cheaper than Dollar or Euro!

Generally budgeting is good and even Bargaining is also a way to have maximum return on an investment. Although Indians go overboard. Other issue is that even after bargaining they might refuse to deal which hence results in a mindset among people generally of their miserly nature and time wasting attitude! Then there are some other tactics they play once they finalize a deal to re negotiate the terms or somehow get a discount. This is a problem inherent in the culture I guess from the household ladies who buy daily groceries to the top shot entrepreneurs who conduct business.

I have read much about the "smelly" INDIANS on this forum although frankly speaking I personally find that people from PRC have a distinct smell to them and their food habits! But there are going to be all types of people from everywhere! Just same as how you would find stinking hippies in India who are still stuck in 70's and move around in questionable attire with strange habits! I am an Indian myself but I won't probably fit the category many describe on the forum. I stay at prime Hotels, eat at good places, use the best colognes, choose generally overpriced girls without negotiation and have a different attitude than described in some cases. Once in Thailand many girls say am not an Indian and they have similar tales to tell!

Considering the above I suggest that whosoever has complains now adapt to the situation because in the coming days ahead you would see a lot more than you have already seen and might be even worse because old habits die hard in every culture!

[QUOTE=Horny Landoora; 1289810]One thing for sure which the world would have to get used to is seeing more Indians everywhere. India and China are emerging powers. The disposable income in these countries is on the rise and the outbound tourism from them is also going to increase steadily! (__)

Considering the above I suggest that whosoever has complains now adapt to the situation because in the coming days ahead you would see a lot more than you have already seen and might be even worse because old habits die hard in every culture![/QUOTE]Fully agreeing on this summary. I have also seen a growing presence of brazilians here and there (I mean in general, not specifically Thailand) , Another BRIC country that, thanks also to the middle east air carriers can easily come to Asia, without the hassles they ahd in the past to go via Europe.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1289558]You were lucky.

I ordered a Sonic Care electric toothbrush from Amazon. Com that was priced less than $100. It was intercepted at the post office and I had to go fetch it in person. By the time the goons were finished with me the damn toothbrush cost me $150 USD.

I've also had care packages that my daughter sends me from time to time intercepted and I'm forced to pay duties on even less expensive items.

The extra cost one pays at Tuk. Com for a product made in America probably reflects the cutsom duties which must be paid here on imported goods.

It sucks![/QUOTE]Did you order it directly from amazon? I think if you had someone repack it in another box and had it look like it was used, it would have went right through. I ordered some shirts from online but had a relative send me the shirts via us postal service and had no problems!

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1289936]Did you order it directly from amazon?[/QUOTE]Yes, I did.

[QUOTE]I think if you had someone repack it in another box and had it look like it was used, it would have went right through. I ordered some shirts from online but had a relative send me the shirts via us postal service and had no problems![/QUOTE]That's possible and a good idea but it's still going to be hit or miss. I'd like to do it that way for a new computer but I have my doubts that it would work.

This take on Top Gun is hilarious! Maverick and Iceman will never seem the same again to me now.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1286330]Did you ever see the movie Sleep with Me? In the party scene, the Quentin Tarantino character gives his hilarious spin on Top Gun. Here is the complete Tarantino monologe from Sleep with Me:

Tarantino: "What is Top Gun? You think it's a story about a bunch of fighter pilots. It is a story about a man's struggle with his own homosexuality. It is! That is what Top Gun is about, man. You've got Maverick, all right? He's on the edge, man. He's right on the fucking line, all right? And you've got Iceman, and all his crew. They're gay, they represent the gay man, all right? And they're saying, go, go the gay way, go the gay way. He could go both ways.

Kelly McGillis, she's heterosexuality. She's saying: No, no, no, no, no, no, go the normal way, play by the rules, go the normal way. They're saying no, go the gay way, be the gay way, go for the gay way, all right? That is what's going on throughout that whole movie. He goes to her house, all right? It looks like they're going to have sex, you know, they're just kind of sitting back, he's takin' a shower and everything. They don't have sex. He gets on the motorcycle, drives away. She's like,"What the fuck, what the fuck is going on here?"

Next scene, next scene you see her, she's in the elevator, she is dressed like a guy. She's got the cap on, she's got the aviator glasses, she's wearing the same jacket that the Iceman wears. She is, okay, this is how I got to get this guy, this guy's going towards the gay way, I got to bring him back, I got to bring him back from the gay way, so I'll do that through subterfuge, I'm going to dress like a man. All right? That is how she approaches it.

All right, but the REAL ending of the movie is when they fight the MIGs at the end, all right? Because he has passed over into the gay way. They are this gay fighting fucking force, all right? And they're beating the Russians, the gays are beating the Russians. And it's over, and they fucking land, and Iceman's been trying to get Maverick the entire time, and finally, he's got him, all right? And what is the last fucking line that they have together? They're all hugging and kissing and happy with each other, and Ice comes up to Maverick, and he says,"Man, you can ride my tail, anytime!" And what does Maverick say?"You can ride mine!" Swordfight! Swordfight! Fuckin' A, man!"

Funny Stuff!

I have gone on mongering trips with friends and solo. Both ways have their virtues, but I prefer going solo. The girls are all the company I really need or want. No discusion over where to go or when to go. You do what you want when you want to do it. Now if I were going on a scuba dive trip or a trek in the Himalayas, that is another story and a couple of good friends along for the adventure are essential.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1289762]Some are selling "all duties paid", ie delivered to your door with import duties pre-paid, and someare selling "free customs depot", ie import duties not paid. Thre is no way a commercial shipment escapes the customs when borders are crossed, unless it is a sample of small value.

Does anyone think that governments are letting tons of goods into their countries free of any duty? Dreamers![/QUOTE]Well Australia does, to the Tune of $970 duty and GST / VAT free!

This is because it would cost them MORE to collect. Based an a massive sell off of prime real estate that made no sense, plus high labor costs, and in any case the average value sis $200 or less. This has been measured and proven, much to the dislike of local retailers who refuse to play hardball on rent issues.

I play safe. Use the toothbrush. Or have packaging thrown away, used to wash towels / sheets or suits washed, so nothing was new. My best party trick is tipping duty free into softdrink containers. Sometimes with a poison sticker. Then declaring it. Naturally the customs guys can't resell it, and send me on my way. (I keep it DF). I sew name tags onto custom made suits and shirts.

Bottom Line: I am not cheating: only putting forward used goods that can't be resold easily without detection. Just engrave that IPhone with your name and see their dirty looks!

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1289801]1000b is good money in Thailand and so is in India too, hence the need to spend much less, based on a daily budget, linked to the need of doing many.[/QUOTE]I think your comment hints on one of the biggest problems with prostitution in Thailand and many parts of SE Asia. My first time, and I suspect many of you are the same, I compared the price I was quoted to what I would pay in America. When the woman told me 3000 baht I quickly asked myself what I would get in America for 100 USD. What she was offering was far more than I would get for 3000 baht back home. However, that is the wrong way to think about things as the cost of goods and services in a local environment should be priced according to local factors and not how much something costs in another country.

When an Indian person is faced with a chick who wants 2000 baht ST they may, unlike westerners, try to figure out what 2000 baht is in relation to what most Thais make. Once they figure out that some Thais don't make that in a week they may be inclined to get the price down to 500, which based on what most Thais spend / make in a week can still be considered good money for 1 hour of work. This does not make them cheap so much as pragmatic.

It amazes me that some men come to SE Asia (at one point I was such a man) and pay women more for one nights work than most people in the country make in two weeks. Unfortunately because many men technically overpay women label some men who want to pay a more reasonable price as cheap charlies, especially in places like Pattaya and BKK that are full of 1 week millionaires.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1291219]It amazes me that some men come to SE Asia (at one point I was such a man) and pay women more for one nights work than most people in the country make in two weeks.[/QUOTE]Yes, but these guys only exist in the tourist sectors, thus you have inflated tourist prices. Get out of these areas and prices are way more realistic on a local level. No thai man would ever pay 2k ST for anything for sale in Pattaya. If thai guys would pay that, then the girls would sell it to the thais. The girls sell it to ignorant tourists because they are the only ones who are willing enough to pay those inflated prices.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1291219]I think your comment hints on one of the biggest problems with prostitution in Thailand and many parts of SE Asia. My first time, and I suspect many of you are the same, I compared the price I was quoted to what I would pay in America. When the woman told me 3000 baht I quickly asked myself what I would get in America for 100 USD. What she was offering was far more than I would get for 3000 baht back home. However, that is the wrong way to think about things as the cost of goods and services in a local environment should be priced according to local factors and not how much something costs in another country.

When an Indian person is faced with a chick who wants 2000 baht ST they may, unlike westerners, try to figure out what 2000 baht is in relation to what most Thais make. Once they figure out that some Thais don't make that in a week they may be inclined to get the price down to 500, which based on what most Thais spend / make in a week can still be considered good money for 1 hour of work. This does not make them cheap so much as pragmatic.

It amazes me that some men come to SE Asia (at one point I was such a man) and pay women more for one nights work than most people in the country make in two weeks. Unfortunately because many men technically overpay women label some men who want to pay a more reasonable price as cheap charlies, especially in places like Pattaya and BKK that are full of 1 week millionaires.[/QUOTE]Exactly, guys need to forget what they pay back at home, they are not at home. You can eat a meal for 40 baht and many of the hotel staff work for 20 baht an hour. When you are asked for 3000 baht, smile and walk away.

Was in Pattaya over the weekend and visited two places.

Honey massage, the well known soapy on Soy Honey. Chose a cute nbr 74 named Tac, very kind and nice. Routine as usual, but what an awesomw body she had! Was doing her sideways, and couldn't resist that beautiful perfect shape. I asked her how much time I had while we were mish, and she said don't worry take your time. Wow! Very kind and doing all the moves and sounds at the right time. I was in love. 1800 baht.

Dream teen, went for the Romantic Room, no choosing, comes lady called Com, or the like. Half ass masage, then ask what I want. I say everything, the quote goes to 2000, we talk a bit and settle at 1200 (+500 for the room and massage). Very energetic, a litle too much on the acting, but quite fun.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1291219]I think your comment hints on one of the biggest problems with prostitution in Thailand and many parts of SE Asia. My first time, and I suspect many of you are the same, I compared the price I was quoted to what I would pay in America. When the woman told me 3000 baht I quickly asked myself what I would get in America for 100 USD. What she was offering was far more than I would get for 3000 baht back home. However, that is the wrong way to think about things as the cost of goods and services in a local environment should be priced according to local factors and not how much something costs in another country.

When an Indian person is faced with a chick who wants 2000 baht ST they may, unlike westerners, try to figure out what 2000 baht is in relation to what most Thais make. Once they figure out that some Thais don't make that in a week they may be inclined to get the price down to 500, which based on what most Thais spend / make in a week can still be considered good money for 1 hour of work. This does not make them cheap so much as pragmatic.

It amazes me that some men come to SE Asia (at one point I was such a man) and pay women more for one nights work than most people in the country make in two weeks. Unfortunately because many men technically overpay women label some men who want to pay a more reasonable price as cheap charlies, especially in places like Pattaya and BKK that are full of 1 week millionaires.[/QUOTE]OK, Let's look at this a bit more scientifically.

Yesterday I went to a Thai massage shop in Belgium, somewhere near Antwerpen. I booked a massage for two hours and that includes two pops (if you are up to it) of BBBJ and / or HJ, but not FS. Price was 180 EUR, or about 7200 baht. Two hours of fun in the local red light district will set you back 300 EUR or 12000 baht and that includes CFS. The RLD quality is really the bottom of the market for FS (which is the reason I rather go to a massage shop).

The average minimum daily wages in Belgium are about 75 EUR per day (1500 EUR per month) or about 3000 baht. So a SW in Belgium can expect between 250% (no FS) and 400% (including FS) of the minimum daily wages per 2 hour session.

In Thailand, the minimum average daily wages (depending on the area) is about 300 baht. If we apply the same "percentage", a two hours session, should cost between 750 baht (no FS) and 1200 baht (including FS). That is indeed somewhat below the 2000 baht we regularly pay to our honeys in the LOS. But taking into account that she will have to pay a share of that to her employer (the same will apply in Belgium) , the simple fact that as a foreigner you always pay a "tourist" surcharge and that we tend to visit more "up market" places than the simple bottom of the market RLD shops most Thai men will go to, the prices we pay in Thailand are not at all that much exaggerated. Actually I have had agogo girls do LT with me for less than 2000 baht, although 3000 to 3500 baht seems more the norm for LT. But then you get her for the whole night and at least 3 pops.

And don't forget we get to make love to beautiful Asian women who take good care of us. I have no problems at all in paying a bit more for such quality!

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1291234]Yes, but these guys only exist in the tourist sectors, thus you have inflated tourist prices. Get out of these areas and prices are way more realistic on a local level. No thai man would ever pay 2k ST for anything for sale in Pattaya. If thai guys would pay that, then the girls would sell it to the thais. The girls sell it to ignorant tourists because they are the only ones who are willing enough to pay those inflated prices.[/QUOTE]Most Pattaya Thais willing to pay 2k and up take the drive up to Galaxy Bangsaen.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1291452]The average minimum daily wages in Belgium are about 75 EUR per day (1500 EUR per month) or about 3000 baht. So a SW in Belgium can expect between 250% (no FS) and 400% (including FS) of the minimum daily wages per 2 hour session.[/QUOTE]Fair point, perhaps I should have said P4P in general. The overpaying is not limited to Thailand and I am sorry if I gave that impression. I am from the US and I cringe whenever I see ads for or hear of mean paying 2000USD / hour for escorts.

So let's re-examine the job. With the exception of prostitutes who can perform a skilled service like massage or have mastered some sexual technique, which is subjective because different things work for different men, prostitution is for the most part unskilled labor. Yes you have some women who perform the service of companion, but most are there to suck and fuck (the same thing regular women are doing right now as you read this). That said, unskilled laborers are generally the lowest paid workers in a society. I think that a risk premium has to be added, considering the potential for disease or the day that comes for many sex workers when they are just no longer able to perform. However, even with the risk premium their salaries should put them slightly above the average for the area that they live in.

There is also an oversupply of women / options in many areas. That fact alone should give customers the negotiating power. However, the power of the consumer is diminished by weekend millionaires and men who don't look past the first chick that winks at them.

I know these women work hard, but so does the lady who sells 30 baht rice dishes. The sex worker may give you 3 shots and stay the night, but over a 6 hour period you may spend 90 minutes actually having sex. For the remainder of the time she gets to sleep or hang out in a room that in many cases is nicer than her own. I don't advocate paying slave wages for sex workers, but I do wish that their pay would regress towards the average salary in the area. I think this would really weed out some of the undesirables. I'm sure we can all agree that there is a definite trend of women going to work in these places hoping to find men to run the long con on. By long con I am talking about things like sponsorship and very few sponsored women I have met were loyal to one guy (read as they had multiple sponsors).

The higher prices seem to do nothing but encourage greed. Over the past several months that I have been in Asia I have talked to many men who have been visiting the region for decades. I constantly hear complaints about the attitude of the women. I've also noticed that the tourist places are really only up-market if you compare them to factory brothels. In BKK, there is little difference between the go-go girl who will charge you 2500 ST and the girl at the massage place who will charge 300-550 ST. The only real difference is the go-go girl's clientèle has constantly allowed her to get away with charging more.

Again, this is just my opinion and I will probably continue to use sex workers until I get married. I will also continue to keep trying to get a good price or at least a fair deal out of the women I do business with, because for me I consider it a business transaction in most cases.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1291670]Fair point, perhaps I should have said P4P in general. The overpaying is not limited to Thailand and I am sorry if I gave that impression. I am from the US and I cringe whenever I see ads for or hear of men paying 2000USD / hour for escorts.[/QUOTE]I have no problem with paying a few thousand baht for a few hours of fun with a Thai girl. I have more problems with the manager of my bank getting a bonus of many millions of EUROs and that same bank paying next to no interest on my savings.

It's first time I'm in Pattaya since 2006. I kept coming to BKK pretty much every year ever since and I absolutely admire and love that city (not just for the women but variety of other things too) , however not to Pattaya. This time I decided to finally make it once again. It feels good to be back after such a long time. Especially since it was the first time I had a Thai lady. It was 6 years ago. Time flies fast. I myself was a 'kid' back then looking from my today's perspective. I have a little bit more experience and understanding now.

But ok, let's get to the matter. I did not go hunting yesterday because I arrived to Pattaya a bit late (after midnight) and felt like just going to bed. Today was the day. So off I go just about 20. 30 hours. It's a Sunday night so according to one girl in a bar, some ladies are off. Don't know if that's true or not but at least some bars (Alcatraz, Angelwitch, Peppermint) seemed kinda empty with very few customers and not that many girls at around 21. 00 (as I later found out, there was much more action towards midnight and even 2a. M.). Ones that were there were completely not for my taste (I like SLIM girls with a pretty face. Tall or short doesn't matter that much. I guess I'm competing with the Japanese here, unfortunately). Anyway, I was a little disappointed and starting to accept the idea that I may end up going back to my hotel without anyone as happened a few times in BKK in the past. I later got to find out that it was very unlikely as more action was building up in the bars and on the street. I guess I just have to go out bit later.

I decided to check out Baccara which has almost never disappointed me in Bangkok. It's a nice bar and staff is very professional and nice while girls don't act annoying and intimidating as in some places. They do have some understanding of good service. There was absolutely nothing to even remotely match my preference on the ground floor though. I checked out the second floor and I noticed a few slim small girls. Memorized their numbers but somehow I didn't get to see them anymore. Maybe they got barfined by the Japanese. Seemingly by 22. 00 Japanese (or were they Koreans? Couldn't hear them talking and could not distinguish just visually) started barfining girls like mad.

Then I spotted that small and very slim and well-shaped girl. Can't remember her number (I didn't even see it, in fact) but she looked really to my liking (proper Asian slim, short but very well proportioned). She was 26yo named Cat (she actually spelled it to me) .155cm tall (according to her) and, by my judgement, about 35kg in weight. So by any means a small girl. Being 190cm in height I felt a bit of a giant next to her. 26 yo is a bit on the old side for me but she seemed good enough and after some chatting I decided to take her. She spoke rather good English too which made communication easy. She asked if I wanted ST or LT and I told her I wasn't sure and it's up to her. I actually wasn't sure. And I may even change my mind later anyway, so I left the matter open for a later time.

Back in the hotel all went as it should: some very good DFK, touching, cuddling, followed by a decent BBBJ. Then three positions: missionary / shoulder holder, cowgirl which she was really good at and doggie which she was rather good at too. After the doggie it's a show time which ended on her entire front side below the face. Really good finish with alot of good stuff covering her front side. Great feeling.

It was a ST at the end although a rather prolonged one. She left before 1a. M. I went back to the Walking Street to have a look at the action and buy something to eat. I was rather hesitant whether I should take her LT or not. I guess the best compromise is a prolonged ST which allows to enjoy the girl and also allows to have a good night sleep and sort out other business including writing this report.

This was my first night out in Pattaya. I will have another night out after which I'll be off to the unknown (to me) land of Vietnam where I will hopefully be able to generate some decent reports too.

Being somewhat new to Pattaya scene (I am much more familiar with Bangkok) I would like to ask a few questions.

- I have noticed there is a very heavy presence of Russian tourists in Pattaya. It's amazing that almost every second billboard or sign has Russian writing on it. I was wondering if there are any Russians on this board participating in Thailand section? If so, privet. .

- What is the best time to hit the action in and around Walking Street? For instance, Bangkok starts 20. 00 and by 21. 00 it gets kinda busy while 22. 00 is probably the peak after which the best ladies are often taken. I've got an impression that Pattaya is a different story and things are happening later. What is the best time to go out to witness the action and see all the best girls coming up on the stage but not look like a fool sitting in the bar alone and being at the center of attention of all those who work there?

- There usually are some girls at the entrance of the bars saying "Weeeecoooooome!" and wawing all kinds of promo signs asking to come in. I have seen a few extremely pretty ones for my taste and was wondering if it is possible to barfine them or take them out after work? Do they go with customers at all or they have nothing to do with the dancing go-go girls and only work as welcoming hostesses? I actually asked one staff in Peppermint (they have that super slim and unbelievably hot young girlie at the front) and was told that cannot barfine her. Although she could have a drink with me (why?).

- What are good places to find SLIM girls? I.e. not ones who are 'normal' or 'not anorexic' but ones who are actually slim and have no fat on the belly or anywhere else? I realised Baccara is certainly one such place but are there any other bars with a good selection of slim ladies? I probably wouldn't even bother going elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1291685]Being somewhat new to Pattaya scene (I am much more familiar with Bangkok) I would like to ask a few questions.

- What is the best time to hit the action in and around Walking Street? For instance, Bangkok starts 20. 00 and by 21. 00 it gets kinda busy while 22. 00 is probably the peak after which the best ladies are often taken. I've got an impression that Pattaya is a different story and things are happening later.

It is hit and miss the girl your looking for might be bar fined for several days, just keep shopping around you can walk out without buying a drink.

- There usually are some girls at the entrance of the bars saying "Weeeecoooooome!" and wawing all kinds of promo signs asking to come in. I have seen a few extremely pretty ones for my taste and was wondering if it is possible to barfine them or take them out after work? Do they go with customers at all or they have nothing to do with the dancing go-go girls and only work as welcoming hostesses? I actually asked one staff in Peppermint (they have that super slim and unbelievably hot young girlie at the front) and was told that cannot barfine her. Although she could have a drink with me (why?).

Window dressing, Eye candy, that is why they are outside.

-

[QUOTE]What are good places to find SLIM girls? Ones who are actually slim and have no fat on the belly or anywhere else?[/QUOTE]I too prefer the thinner girls.

As a general rule, these girls are easier to find in the go-gos than in the beer bars or on Beach Road. Recommending a specific go-go club is always risky because the lineup at this or that place is constantly changing. But when I was last in town I was impressed with the lineup at Super Baby and Super Girls in the Walking Street area. In Central Pattaya there were some hot spinners in the go-gos on Soi LK Metro. Those clubs are so close together it's silly simple to stop by all of them to check out the talent. On Soi 6 I had to look harder for the slimmer ones. But I found the selection to be the best about dusk.

There is really no substitute for taking the time to make the rounds. Yes, it can be a hassle. But I rather enjoy the thrill of the hunt.

Bunky

There were a few reports about a crackdown in May. How much has Beach Road and Pattaya in general been affected? And have things been better this month or worse? Hopefully someone has an update.

Nothing has really changed on BR although low season may have affected the quality somewhat.

[QUOTE=MyNameisChad;1293417]There were a few reports about a crackdown in May. How much has Beach Road and Pattaya in general been affected? And have things been better this month or worse? Hopefully someone has an update.[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya and Jomtien in May and did not see anything of a crackdown. Actually, my Thai GF noticed that there were many working girls active on BR.

I see that Secrets was raided and the manager Larry arrested which is a shame.

Anyone know the inside story on this?

[QUOTE=Simon36; 1293781]I see that Secrets was raided and the manager Larry arrested which is a shame.

[url]http://www.pattayafree.com/index.php/topic/2907-secrets-raided/[/url]

Anyone know the inside story on this?[/QUOTE]Not a big loss! Overpriced establishment with poor quality girls.

[QUOTE=Simon36; 1293781]I see that Secrets was raided and the manager Larry arrested which is a shame.

[url]http://www.pattayafree.com/index.php/topic/2907-secrets-raided/[/url]

Anyone know the inside story on this?[/QUOTE]I don't know. But I usually pay them 20 baht to park outside. Does this mean that I can park there for free now?

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1293790]Not a big loss! Overpriced establishment with poor quality girls.[/QUOTE]It was my understanding poor quality girls is par for the course in this city. One of these days I'll make it down there.

[QUOTE=Simon36; 1293781]I see that Secrets was raided and the manager Larry arrested which is a shame.

[url]http://www.pattayafree.com/index.php/topic/2907-secrets-raided/[/url]

Anyone know the inside story on this?[/QUOTE]Same inside story as any other bar owner who gets out of hand and doesn't pay his required dues.

[QUOTE=Simon36; 1293781]I see that Secrets was raided and the manager Larry arrested which is a shame.

[url]http://www.pattayafree.com/index.php/topic/2907-secrets-raided/[/url]

Anyone know the inside story on this?[/QUOTE]I have heard it was the police down from Bangkok, obviously wanting their palms greasing with a few baht.

Heading for Pattaya in July, and wondering whats the seediest bar in Pattaya. The kind of place where you can discreetly put your dick in a girls pussy. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1293801]It was my understanding poor quality girls is par for the course in this city. One of these days I'll make it down there.[/QUOTE]You should try Pattaya sometime. The average quality is certainly higher in BKK, but there are [i]definitely [/i]some gems to be had in Pattaya. And I have found the Pattaya ladies to generally be better performers. YMMV.

For me attitude is twice as important as looks when it comes to this hobby. It translates to something like this: (looks x 1) + (attitude x 2) /3. So I generally enjoy an experience with a 7 looks with a 10 attutide lady better than an experience with a 10 looks with a 7 attitude lady. Again; YMMV.

For those who feel the need; flame away.

SunLover

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1293790]Not a big loss! Overpriced establishment with poor quality girls.[/QUOTE]I could not access the Pattaya Free site to read the allegations. And I have not been there for a while, mind you, but I rather liked Secrets. Free buffet on Sunday (nothing spectacular, but hey, free). I barfined one of their girls who was a real cutie. And Larry, who comped me a beer, was a great guy. I could think of dumping on a ton of other gogos on in the vicinity of Walking Street. In one place I refused to pay for rancid beer (one tiny sip) and was chased out with an old hag throwing sticks and shit at me. Secrets, IMHO, is a place that cares about its customers, pretty rare in Patts.

my somewhat delayed report (by a few days, anyway) from my second visit to pattaya (the first one being in 2006).

nothing too memorable. a rather standard go-go experience. still enjoyed it.

first i went to the angelwitch bar which is, i assumed, was kinda famous. it was after 21. 00 hours so not that early as the day before. it was a rather miserable sight there. all girls were either well overweight (and i'm not saying this as an admirer of super-skinny nymphs but i really mean it. at least 6 girls dancing on the stage could be described as obese) or outright obese. that was not pleasant at all. having realised that i probably would not see anyone to my liking in that place i left just before 22. 00 and went to the "sexy airline" bar. quickly popped in and didn't even bother having a drink there. just left straight away. the choice of girls was miserable.

i wasn't sure what to do next: go checking other bars or just go to baccarra which seemed much better than others i checked the day before. i decided to go for baccara and after ordering a drink went to the second floor where i knew i would find something decent for myself. some japanese guys there (surprise! surprise!) but it didn't take long before i spotted that tiny and really skinny nymph. can't remember her number (as usual with me) but she seemed like the kind i like: a true tiny and skinny spinner girl who would be, shall we say, not too heavy to manage in the bed. she was 21 (or so she said. she probably was) and had braces which is not a problem for me. .

one drink, barfine and we are on the way to my hotel which is not too far from the walking street. just all of a sudden once we're at the front of the hotel entrance she says "i cannot go this hotel". i asked "why?". she says "have no i'd.". i was like for f*s sake, girl, you surely could tell this a bit earlier (of course i didn't say this to her in such a manner, i' would never be that rude). i asked why she didn't have the i'd and she told me that short story about riding a motorbike with no helmet and being stopped by a cop who took her i'd (only other choice would have been the motorbike itself). but she did have a copy of her i'd. i was a bit lost for a second but then just decided to just go for it and try to go to my hotel with what we had i. e. copy of her i'd. that's thailand, after all, rules are not always there to be obeyed.

and i was right. the reception guy looked at the i'd copy, said something to the girl in thai. then told me politely "if anything happen, i know nothing". i said "ok no problem" and that was it.

in the room the standard stuff: kissing, cuddling, then missionary, doggie and cob (tits area). unfortunately no bj. she said because of her braces. not sure if that really matters. does it? oh well, whatever, not a big deal. anyway, she must have been one of the smallest and slimmest girls i've ever had which was a rather nice touch. she didn't mind posing for a picture too which i liked.

just to finish off the story of my pattaya visit, a quick sub-story on my trip to the (suvarnabhumi) airport the morning after.

can't be bothered to take a bus with my suitcase so i order a taxi from an official travel agency stand in my hotel. the price is 1000thb which is a standard rate for a taxi to airport. i paid upfront and got a receipt stating the price and the car which is taking me there (toyota innova. or maybe corolla. one of them two anyway). minutes later the driver is here and helps me to bring my suitcase to the car. only that the car is not innova / corolla but the 2006 shape toyota camry (woo hoo! lucky me! free class upgrade for no extra fees). the driver was a young guy and was keen to take me to the airport without delay (even without my request to do so) which means we were going faster than most other cars at 130-140km / h on the semi-motorway from pattaya and then on the 'real' motorway which has a 120km / h speed limit. he tells me "if police ask, say i'm your friend, not taxi.". lol. i already see what's the issue here. :d

he drove me to the departures area. he seemed very worried about the police not stopping him there. i gave him 20 baht for his quicker and more luxurious than-expected delivery of my ass to the airport and this is where it all ends.

the funny thing is that the very legitimate agency employs unlicensed taxi driver who uses a much better car than your average taxi, goes way over speed limit and at the same time is shitting himself not to get stopped by police and get done for providing illegal taxi services. i love thailand. seriously, i do. wher eelse can you get a better taxi car than you pay for. :d

[QUOTE=HappyNaNanda8;1294059]Heading for Pattaya in July, and wondering whats the seediest bar in Pattaya. The kind of place where you can discreetly put your dick in a girls pussy. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Windmill is always a decent place for some more adventurous stuff: [url]http://www.windmillpattaya.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Zauberfee; 1294329]Windmill is always a decent place for some more adventurous stuff:

[url]http://www.windmillpattaya.com/[/url][/QUOTE]Windmill is seedy but I don't think you will get sex in the bar. Your best bet is the likes of Devils Den.

[QUOTE=Simon36;1294693]Windmill is seedy but I don't think you will get sex in the bar. Your best bet is the likes of Devils Den.[/QUOTE]I have seen a blowjob in Windmill, but I think Babydolls is a better bet for getting your willy out. Maybe X-Zone as well but I haven't seen it happen there.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1294252]First I went to the Angelwitch bar which is, I assumed, was kinda famous. It was after 21. 00 hours so not that early as the day before. It was a rather miserable sight there. All girls were either well overweight (and I'm not saying this as an admirer of super-skinny nymphs but I really mean it. At least 6 girls dancing on the stage could be described as obese) or outright obese. That was not pleasant at all.[/QUOTE]It makes you wonder where these girls get the ambition to become gogo dancers if they're obese. More power to them if they can support themselves or their families. Maybe I'll sign up to be in Thai TV commercials since I'm so hansum LOL

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1294895]It makes you wonder where these girls get the ambition to become gogo dancers if they're obese. More power to them if they can support themselves or their families. Maybe I'll sign up to be in Thai TV commercials since I'm so hansum LOL[/QUOTE]I passed through Soi Buakow and LK tonight on my way to unload at Bliss Lounge. There are definately some spinners in the Gogos there, think Papagayo etc.

Quality has certainly gone down in the past 4 years but the girls have more options careerwise than to dance in front of drunken farang these days.

I've been hooking up with some young(ish) girls like 20 to 25 and my assessment is they lack the experience and the filthy minds that the BR milfs seem to have. To be honest its a bit of a quandry. Back to bangkok to well, bang some kok tomorrow.

Pointy out

[QUOTE=Saint Mint; 1294850]Never been. Never will. Why comment?

Anybody visiting Pattaya will find exactly what they are looking for. The city is full of variety.

Like slim and sexy girls? They are here.

Like bigger with a large ass? They are here.

Like older models? They are here.

Like younger models? They are here.

The girls move around. Someone in Bangkok today could be in Pattaya tomorrow and vice versa.[/QUOTE]Saint Mint,

I agree, it must be tough going through life responding to others about a person or place they have never been too! Its not only this case with Pattaya but if one were to apply the same thinking in life only going by what someone has told you or read that pretty much says a lot about these individual. In life people are fat, ugly, pretty and stupid! Etc. No matter what part of earth they happen to be standing.

Normally, I would like to say come on down and I will show you around not to prove them wrong but to show them Pattaya is no different than Bangkok or anywhere else but I don't babysit for minors. I guess you become convince that heaven being in Bangkok because you can't think for yourself or just too narrow minded to try something new. Nevertheless, why bother more for us!

LBM

[QUOTE=Simon36;1294693]Windmill is seedy but I don't think you will get sex in the bar.[/QUOTE]You should go there more often, then you'd know better.

[QUOTE=Simon36;1294693]Your best bet is the likes of Devils Den.[/QUOTE]Never heard or have seen myself that you can get sex or even a BJ in public at Devil's Den. The girls always will take you to a room at Heaven's Inn before they start their show.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1294799]I'm with you on this one. LOL!

I'm not so optimistic as you are though. Ill prolly never make it down there.[/QUOTE]Funny comment from a possibly blind man who obviously doesn't know his dick from a hole in the ground.

Got to love those braille keyboards, though. LOL.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1295157]Funny comment from a possibly blind man who obviously doesn't know his dick from a hole in the ground.

Got to love those braille keyboards, though. LOL.[/QUOTE]Fon Tok,

They know alright these two must be related and spend most of their time choking the chicken. Hell their rooms ceiling must be dripping with their cum and mom is knocking on their doors " what you doing in there son ". You know what they say " you can't teach stupid "

LBM

Hi,

If I go into a go-go or disco such as Insomnia, can I expect to have much of a conversation with the girls. Enough to get to know them? I heard the ladies in the Phils have better command of english.

[QUOTE=LovingAsia;1295317]If I go into a go-go or disco such as Insomnia, can I expect to have much of a conversation with the girls. Enough to get to know them? I heard the ladies in the Phils have better command of english.[/QUOTE]No because the music will be too fucking loud. What do you intend to have a conversation about? They are there to fuck in exchange for money. You might want to try the geishas in Japan or a chat line if it is conversation you want. They do speak English though and IMHO not any worse than a lot of the P4P girls in PI.

[QUOTE=Mandela2009;1295139]Anyone know where to get poppers in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Welcome to the forum, Mandela. This is not a drugs forum. Please go away.

[QUOTE=LovingAsia; 1295317]Hi,

If I go into a go-go or disco such as Insomnia, can I expect to have much of a conversation with the girls. Enough to get to know them? I heard the ladies in the Phils have better command of english.[/QUOTE]Well, I will respond in a slightly different manner than the last poster. Yes, the music is load, but those of us who love freelance discos should be used to that. In general, not nearlly as many women speak English as in the PI, that is one of the official languages of the PI, afterall. That said, I had two great long time sessions what started out as fun, playful, flirty conversations in fairly good English. For many of us, this is PART of the expereince and fantasy, enjoying a good night out at a disco with a hottie we know we are going to fuck. The biggest sex organ, after all, is the brain. Pump and dump kind of guys who are not into GFE don't seem to be in touch with this, but to each his own.

[QUOTE=LovingAsia; 1295317]Hi,

If I go into a go-go or disco such as Insomnia, can I expect to have much of a conversation with the girls. Enough to get to know them? I heard the ladies in the Phils have better command of english.[/QUOTE]Not trying to flame you but take a moment and look at the question that you are asking? Please don't turn into jello when looking for pussy. Sure it is nice that PHiL the girls speak more English and you can and have been able to have conversation with them which is a plus but not every country is the same nor can anyone say that this nighclub or any night club are only venture by girls that can speak English. This is the same type of question or remarks member make like which bar or location one can find girls with the biggest tits or where do all the stunners hang out? No one has a crystal ball or radar on people for these types of question. You go take a chance experience and the only way to do that is to come. If you don't whether it is good or bad they you will just fall into the catagory of any guy who believe what they heard!

LBM

[QUOTE=Mandela2009;1295139]Anyone know where to get poppers in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]There is a place right on Beach Road, in Front of Soi 9, Just ask someone in brown "Khun yaba sui t nai " they will take you to the right place?

LBM

[QUOTE=LovingAsia; 1295317]Hi,

If I go into a go-go or disco such as Insomnia, can I expect to have much of a conversation with the girls. Enough to get to know them? I heard the ladies in the Phils have better command of english.[/QUOTE]The other way of thinking about it in Thailand is if she can speak good English she has been on the p4p for a good period of time, or has a wealthy family who could afford an education for her, so she will probably expect a higher price.

Was in the area last night so I decided to visit that go-go bar on Beach Road between Soi 7 and 8; I think the name is World Wide or something like that. Bad move.

For those of you who like the fat girls, this is the bar for you. At least 75% of the lineup was obese, and I swear, one of the girls was as big as a barn. I've never witnessed such a group of female fuglies in G-strings during my 5 years living in Pattaya.

It was depressing. It was boring. It was disgusting. This place used to be a decent go-go bar.

I left during the show in which two fat girls with dour looks on their faces shoved ping-pong balls up their pussies and let them drop into a beer glass in front of them. Revolting.

If you want quality you have to stick to Walking Street.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1295687]Also never forget the power of learning English by watching western cartoons. LOL.

Too bad I can't learn Thai by watching Thai toons. Whats up with that?[/QUOTE]The fact that you are still watching cartoons indicates that you are stupid.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1295880]Was in the area last night so I decided to visit that go-go bar on Beach Road between Soi 7 and 8; I think the name is World Wide or something like that. Bad move.

For those of you who like the fat girls, this is the bar for you. At least 75% of the lineup was obese, and I swear, one of the girls was as big as a barn. I've never witnessed such a group of female fuglies in G-strings during my 5 years living in Pattaya.

It was depressing. It was boring. It was disgusting. This place used to be a decent go-go bar.

I left during the show in which two fat girls with dour looks on their faces shoved ping-pong balls up their pussies and let them drop into a beer glass in front of them. Revolting.

If you want quality you have to stick to Walking Street.[/QUOTE]Daddy07,

Thanks for the great tip! I'll be heading down there quick as can be! I like those Thai Changs!

LBM

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Since when did they start calling SPs on Beach Road Coconut Ghosts?

22 'Coconut Ghosts' were arrested and taken to Pattaya Police Station in the early hours of Friday. The new name for those suspected of loitering on Pattaya Beach with intent to engage in prostitution or other criminal acts has been given to them by Pattaya Police who round-up men and women who are suspected of loitering on a nightly basis. On this occasion 7 women and 15 transsexuals were taken to the station and fined the sum of 100 Baht before being sent on their way with a stern warning not to be seen on Pattaya Beach again. The warning was ignored and the 'Coconut Ghosts' returned to the beach to continue doing whatever they were doing previous to their arrest.

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/57531/22-coconut-ghosts-pattaya-beach/[/url]

Sucks to have to pay money for being "suspected" of doing something and being told that you are not to be seen in a public place.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1296265]Since when did they start calling SPs on Beach Road Coconut Ghosts? .[/QUOTE]Thought it was a "rapper musician" band! LOL I love when the media print polcie reports in their bueaucratic language such as [i] [b]"men and women who are suspected of loitering on a nightly basis" [/i] [/b] And [i] [b]" prostitution or other criminal acts" [/i] [/b]

Just to say female and LB hookers, soliciting sex etc.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1296265]Since when did they start calling SPs on Beach Road Coconut Ghosts?

22 'Coconut Ghosts' were arrested and taken to Pattaya Police Station in the early hours of Friday. The new name for those suspected of loitering on Pattaya Beach with intent to engage in prostitution or other criminal acts has been given to them by Pattaya Police who round-up men and women who are suspected of loitering on a nightly basis. On this occasion 7 women and 15 transsexuals were taken to the station and fined the sum of 100 Baht before being sent on their way with a stern warning not to be seen on Pattaya Beach again. The warning was ignored and the 'Coconut Ghosts' returned to the beach to continue doing whatever they were doing previous to their arrest.

Sucks to have to pay money for being "suspected" of doing something and being told that you are not to be seen in a public place.[/QUOTE]Arrests on Beach Road are part of life in Pattaya, they happen every so often.

The raid on Secrets is more worrying as faranags were not allowed to leave the club during the raid.

It appears a former partner has fallen out and is bringing trouble to the club. Who would want to visit until this is sorted out?

[url]http://www.pattayafree.com/index.php/topic/2907-secrets-raided/page__st__20#entry26564[/url]

A little late, forgot all about these places? If you know Pattaya and can get around here are a few places that the prices are similar to Soi 6? Did a tour with a few friends 2months ago. We just visited but didn't partake.

Kinnaree Place: 389/110 Moo12 Pratumak road, soi 4, This place opens at 1pm and closes at 9pm, it seems to be a afternoon freelancer hang out and the few girls we spoke to ask for 1000 ST, but in my opinion I believe one get it for less.

Rioja Gentlemens club, off Thepprasit, take a left on Soi 7, Honda dealership go all the way down to the end near the Jomtien sport complex. 12/10pm, there seem to be shorttime rooms and one girl ask for 1000 ST, I didn't say anything and later she said up to you?

Can't remember the name or Soi number but just off Sukhumvit just before the McDonalds go down, there is a club there, This particular place there weren't any customer except us and the girls were agressive where they took off their clothes and wanted us to take them. I suck one girls tits and finger her pussy for a taste in the end I left and tip her a 100 baht. Prices suggested to us were like Soi 6.

Noted: for all three places I didn't see any stunners on my first and only visit. I'm more into nasty and preformance but of course I rather not put a bag over them?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1296456]A little late, forgot all about these places? If you know Pattaya and can get around here are a few places that the prices are similar to Soi 6? Did a tour with a few friends 2months ago. We just visited but didn't partake.

Kinnaree Place: 389/110 Moo12 Pratumak road, soi 4, This place opens at 1pm and closes at 9pm, it seems to be a afternoon freelancer hang out and the few girls we spoke to ask for 1000 ST, but in my opinion I believe one get it for less.

Rioja Gentlemens club, off Thepprasit, take a left on Soi 7, Honda dealership go all the way down to the end near the Jomtien sport complex. 12/10pm, there seem to be shorttime rooms and one girl ask for 1000 ST, I didn't say anything and later she said up to you?

Can't remember the name or Soi number but just off Sukhumvit just before the McDonalds go down, there is a club there, This particular place there weren't any customer except us and the girls were agressive where they took off their clothes and wanted us to take them. I suck one girls tits and finger her pussy for a taste in the end I left and tip her a 100 baht. Prices suggested to us were like Soi 6.

Noted: for all three places I didn't see any stunners on my first and only visit. I'm more into nasty and preformance but of course I rather not put a bag over them?

LBM[/QUOTE]Check out Pratumnak, quite a few gentlemans clubs up there.

[QUOTE=LovingAsia; 1295317]Hi,

If I go into a go-go or disco such as Insomnia, can I expect to have much of a conversation with the girls. Enough to get to know them? I heard the ladies in the Phils have better command of english.[/QUOTE]Sure, it's loud and all that but if you want to talk, don't be surprised if you end up buying the girl and her whole posse drinks. The longer you chat and more rounds. Don't forget you're the dude with money at the table, they won't be buying you rounds so it's your dime. One of my favourite girls I met on Walking Street (I was already loaded) and I started talking to a real sweetie. She thought I was interested in her older friend and I said no. I liked her. So she invited me to insomnia with them.

I bought a few rounds at the table and everyone thought I was the best thing ever. So they encourage my new friend to go with me. Which she did. The next morning when I offered her 1500bt for the LT (I even woke her and said I wanted another round) after which I said she should take a motorbike home (hint to leave)

I realized I made an expensive mistake when I realized price didn't come up the night before. For a girl her age and calabre - based on BKK prices, I was thinking 3000 baht but wanted to start low on price so we would end up at 3K. Well, when I offered her 1, 500 she look like a deer in the headlights. She said "for what?"! Man did I feel dirty and embarressed. So I just said for clothes so that she can really be looking sexy next time I saw her. I guess I could have got her for free.

She came to BKK 2 weeks later and stayed with me for months.

Sorry, I went on there. Yes, you can talk and have fun but you inherit her table and friends / FLs. So you maybe buying rounds.

[QUOTE=Simon36;1296523]Check out Pratumnak, quite a few gentlemans clubs up there.[/QUOTE]The club on the left Soi as you go up the hill towards Jomtien is called the Jade Garden it is in the Soi with an arched entrance set back from the main road and is on the right about 100 mts down.

There is also a newish place called the Sapphire Lodge opposite the Asia Pattaya Hotel which I haven't visited but intend to on my next trip in about 3 weeks time.

I have taken a few girls from both Kinnaree and Rioja ST on site and I have found some nice gems in both places.

My last 2 visits to Rioja were most worthwhile for the nice girls there.

[QUOTE=Orange Crust;1296598]Sure, it's loud and all that but if you want to talk, don't be surprised if you end up buying the girl and her whole posse drinks. The longer you chat and more rounds. Don't forget you're the dude with money at the table, they won't be buying you rounds so it's your dime. One of my favourite girls I met on Walking Street (I was already loaded) and I started talking to a real sweetie. She thought I was interested in her older friend and I said no. I liked her. So she invited me to insomnia with them.Yes, you can talk and have fun but you inherit her table and friends / FLs. So you maybe buying rounds.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ. There have been many a night when women have invited me to their table to drink on the bottle of Remy or Absolut or Blend 285 they bought and the hookah they are paying for. As a matter of fact that has happened more times to me than times I have bought any woman a drink in the clubs there. And I have never gone up to a girl in a group and been requested to buy all of them a drink (unless it was a group of 2. But I didn't oblige. I only bought the drink for the one I was interested in). A couple of weeks ago a girl bought a bottle of Hennessey to drink with my cousin. They didn't finish the bottle and she left it there in his name. She even got him a VIP card to the place.

[QUOTE=Orange Crust; 1296598]The next morning when I offered her 1500bt for the LT (I even woke her and said I wanted another round) after which I said she should take a motorbike home (hint to leave)

I realized I made an expensive mistake when I realized price didn't come up the night before. For a girl her age and calabre. Based on BKK prices, I was thinking 3000 baht but wanted to start low on price so we would end up at 3K. Well, when I offered her 1, 500 she look like a deer in the headlights. She said "for what?"! Man did I feel dirty and embarressed.[/QUOTE]Here come the BKKers trying to screw up my beloved Pattaya by overpaying the disco girls. LOL. One more time: LT FL Disco = 1000 baht! You don't need a discussion the night before. Just fork over the 1000 when you are ready for her to leave. OC you found out that there is a thin line between pro and non-pro in those discos. Many girls have regular jobs and just go there to have fun and will go home with you on GP. The thing is that you don't know who those girls are because they are all mixed in so it is the luck of the draw. In some cases it may be best to wait until the girl is ready to go the next day and asks about payment. Like the one who bought the Hennessey. She has her own salon in Pattaya. She never asked my cousin for any money. But he screwed it up because he likes to go to the same damn discos every night and openly butterfly around like nobody sees him. It's okay for the guy on vacation but when you live there and the chicks are used to seeing you, you have to adjust your game accordingly.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1296643]Here come the BKKers trying to screw up my beloved Pattaya by overpaying the disco girls. LOL. One more time: LT FL Disco = 1000 baht! You don't need a discussion the night before. Just fork over the 1000 when you are ready for her to leave. OC you found out that there is a thin line between pro and non-pro in those discos. Many girls have regular jobs and just go there to have fun and will go home with you on GP. The thing is that you don't know who those girls are because they are all mixed in so it is the luck of the draw. In some cases it may be best to wait until the girl is ready to go the next day and asks about payment. Like the one who bought the Hennessey. She has her own salon in Pattaya. She never asked my cousin for any money. But he screwed it up because he likes to go to the same damn discos every night and openly butterfly around like nobody sees him. It's okay for the guy on vacation but when you live there and the chicks are used to seeing you, you have to adjust your game accordingly.[/QUOTE]The last few posts have shown the dismal quality in some of the gogos in Patts, how is the quality in the discos? I like my women pretty and without see-section scars. It doesn't matter if they're light skinned or dark skinned.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1296662]The last few posts have shown the dismal quality in some of the gogos in Patts, how is the quality in the discos? I like my women pretty and without see-section scars. It doesn't matter if they're light skinned or dark skinned.[/QUOTE]Last time I was in Pattaya (late March) I took an extensive tour of over 25 go-go bars.

There are plenty of beautiful young ladies. No worries about that!

And, remember guys, fugly girls often try a lot harder than their beautiful, spoiled sisters. ;)

Maybe I'll go over there tonight and look around some more. :)

It's my 1st visit to Pats later this year, and I'd like to know about current prices. I don't wish to spoil the market by overpaying.

Go-go s.

Beer / Ladydrinks =?

ST and LT =?

Insomnia.

Soft drinks =?

Beer =?

ST = 500B.

LT = 1000B.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1296666]Last time I was in Pattaya (late March) I took an extensive tour of over 25 go-go bars.

There are plenty of beautiful young ladies. No worries about that!

And, remember guys, fugly girls often try a lot harder than their beautiful, spoiled sisters. .

Maybe I'll go over there tonight and look around some more.[/QUOTE]It's almost always been my experience that the stunners do not give the best experience. The next level down girls often do much better for less money.

i was in pattaya for the weekend, and wow it is such a nice time to be there.

tourists are at their lowest, most bars and gogo's are going almost customer less.

i went to bars around soi lk metro and went to the world famous devil's den, but i was apparently the first customer in 3 days,

in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s too, i was the first customer at 12 noon.

most gogos and sports bar were aggressively pulling in customers and beers were going at rock bottom prices at 49 bahts.

i always gave preference to bangkok over pattaya, but this time (in low season) , i felt so much welcoming there,

guys time to catch the 100 bahts van to pattaya, from victory monument and in less than 2 hours, you will be in pattaya and be treated like a king.

enjoy

[quote=asslover945; 1296811]i was in pattaya for the weekend, and wow it is such a nice time to be there.

tourists are at their lowest, most bars and gogo's are going almost customer less.

i went to bars around soi lk metro and went to the world famous devil's den, but i was apparently the first customer in 3 days,

in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s too, i was the first customer at 12 noon.

most gogos and sports bar were aggressively pulling in customers and beers were going at rock bottom prices at 49 bahts.

i always gave preference to bangkok over pattaya, but this time (in low season) , i felt so much welcoming there,

guys time to catch the 100 bahts van to pattaya, from victory monument and in less than 2 hours, you will be in pattaya and be treated like a king.

enjoy[/quote]great. well, i hope it's still like that in late aug / september. was thinking to do split time with ac in phils as well, but pattaya sounds like it offers more. will keep options open. waiting for report from amex sg. when is your trip report coming out? previous reports were very informative.

warning: do not read this report if you're easily bored or really negative / critical. this is all imho and ymmv.

due to my inability to upload files / photos thru isg, pm me your e-mail address & i'll send you my 2012 trip report. 2011 trip report and los guide in pdf+word formats with photos embedded. no nude photos because i don't want to be busted for supposedly kiddie porn (even some of the age 20+ women appear to be ****). i no longer have the phone numbers of any of these sps, sorry.

- approx exchange rate i'm using is b (aht) 30. 0 = us $1 (or b100 = $3. 40)

- i was in pattaya, thailand (los,"land of [vertical] smiles") 30 apr – 29 may 2012. as i only have sex once a year (when i'm vacationing in thailand) so bedding women at bargain prices is my primary focus.

notes:

- i usually take 1/2 a kamagra pill unless i intend to just get just a bj (s).

- i'm using a 24 hr clock format (eg 15:00 = 1500 = 3 pm).

- 1 x los day = my day generally starts as late as 15:00 or as early as 09:00 & it ends the following morning as late as 08:00 or as early as 01:00. i sleep whenever i can and prefer to chill in my hotel room when it's hot & sunny outside.

- round = for me a sex session involving 0 to 3 x pops; pop = ejaculation.

- friend grade a is great, b is good, c is ok, d is bad, f is foul.

her overall grade = looks (face 25 % weighted + body 25% weighted) + service (50% weighted, gfe + st / lt valued price + low maintenance / easy negotiations + sex skills + other intangibles)

- friend # = escort; buddy # = my american buddies.

table of contents.

section 1: logistics.

section 2: internet video weblinks.

section 3: ladies.

section 1: logistics.

1)

a) transportation.

- from airport to patts: paid b1, 000+tip for.

[url]www.pattaya-taxi.com/[/url]

because flight landed too late for bell.

- from patts to airport: paid b200 ($7) for.

[url]www.belltravelservice.com/[/url]

be) patts hotel: i stayed.

[url]www.sanya-nightstar.com/site/[/url]

in the past i also liked staying at.

[url]www.jasminehotel-pattaya.com[/url]

&

[url]www.swissfood.net/hotel.htm[/url]

, each with their pros & cons. all are at ws (i want a short walk, no taxi, at 07:00 after clubbing) , have no joiner fee & hold your lady's i'd card / copy unless you tell them not to.

- bkk hotel:

[url]www.ramadaencorebangkok.com[/url]

nice hotel & excellent location on sukhumvit soi 10 in between (& walking distances to) soi cowboy & nana plaza. i paid total (taxes incl.) b1, 750 ($56) for my 1 night ramada stay.

2) ws mobile store: on soi 15 (to the left of beach gogo) , open 16:00 – 02:00, i bought an unlocked nokia1280 dual-band cellphone (should have bought tri or quad-band as dual-band won't work in the us) for negotiated b800 ($27) (sticker retail price b900 ($30) and a true gsm '1-2-call' sim card for b100 ($3. 40) since 1-2-call has the best reception (the b50 ($1. 70) gsm card has a crappier phone network).

- buying more pre-paid minutes ('top-up') available at any 7-11. to load those minutes ask the 7-11 employee to do it for you or if you have "1-2-call" do this (i got tired of asking 7-11 to do it for me) :

- step 1) on your phone type '*120*'sixteen-digit pin'#' step 2) hit 'send' on your phone.

example: type *120*1234567890123456# then hit 'send' (the 16-digit pin code is on the 7-11 receipt)

3) logbase patts (logistics base) : concentration of useful vendors

a) mostly the row of shops to the left (east) of the ws entrance / sign:

- tu travel (agency) : manager used to work as a translator so speaks excellent english.

- photo vendor: 6 x passport photos for b120 ($4) , photo printing in <24 hrs b10 / ea or in <.5 hr b20 / ea.

- explorer internet café: open 24/7, full-page color print-out b30 / page (i think b10 / page for black & white)

- friendship mart: mostly cheaper than 7-11 (friendship supermarket is east another. 4 mi (.7 km)

- sawadee massage: b850 ($29) body scrub+coconut milk moisturizer+thai massage deal, takes 2. 5+ hrs.

- skin spa: facial scrub, etc, in clean, modern facilities with good prices.

- barbershop: b80 ($2. 70) for a haircut, b20 to add shampoo / hair-washing.

be) intersection of soi 14 & 15:

- bm pharmacy: cheap meds.

- medical clinic: open 24/7, treat injuries or get prescriptions.

4) tailor: exclusive textile co, ltd manager is rohit 087-540-2989.

- located across from the southeast corner of tukcom, they're a fabric wholesaler (so look for the store with lots of fabric rolls, hard to miss) supplying most of patts' tailoring shops. they can also use their fabric inventory to make you tailored goods, passing savings on to you. prices:

sport jacket b2, 500 ($83)

vest b1, 200 ($40)

pants b1, 400 ($47)

suit (2 pc) before. 000 ($133)

shirt b500 ($17, button-down shirt, long-sleeve or short-sleeve)

i like both nini tailor (on 2nd road across from marriott) and exclusive textile, each with their pros / cons.

5) misc.

a) theprassit night market on fri / sat / sun, opens 17:00; excellent, diverse eateries & good clothes buying.

be)

[url]www.pattayafloatingmarket.com[/url]

free entrance, b200 ($7) for one-way car ride from ws to it.

see) good health dental clinic just east of the sikh temple, it was b1, 000 ($34) for their high-tech deep cleaning (only b500 ($17) for a basic cleaning). dentist said i didn't have any cavities and i didn't need x-rays (which costs b300 ($10) but in 2013 i'll try a different dentist to get a second opinion, maybe.

[url]http://www.dentalsmilepattaya.com/[/url]

the) jogging beach road (aka coconut bar) : one-way it's 1. 7 mi (2. 8 km)

section 2: internet video weblinks.

from youtube.

- pattaya overview (ws, s6, cb, etc)

[url]http://bit.ly/kcny4w[/url]

- ws (walking street)

[url]http://bit.ly/kcm3un[/url]

or.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hzqix_ouj0&feature=related[/url]

- s6 (soi 6) snippits.

[url]http://bit.ly/m3prxc[/url]

- s7 (soi 7)

[url]http://bit.ly/kcs7vy[/url]

- cb (coconut bar ie the beach side of br (beach road)

[url]http://bit.ly/m3unvw[/url]

- thai escorts.

[url]http://bit.ly/kciuua[/url]

- songkran (water festival)

[url]http://bit.ly/kclil7[/url]

- p4p industry.

[url]http://bit.ly/kct33i[/url]

section 3: ladies.

day 1) mon / 30 apr, so-so good.

plane lands 17:30, leave airport 19:00, arrive patts 20:30, in the ws gogos at 21:00

friend 1 see photo lek, overall b = service b + face b + body a, wouldn't do bjs.

lt b1, 200 ($40) , age 21, jomtien office worker.

met friend 1 lek + her thick friend at marine disco at 02:00, danced with both and offered to buy 'them drinks so thick friend accepted but friend 1 lek declined. at 02:45 friend 1 lek agrees to go with me lt so at my hotel we did round 1 with 1 x pop, she slept 04:00 – 09:30 (i drifted in & out) , round 2 with 1 x pop, slept 10:00. 12:00, we had b100 ($3. 40) lunch 12:00. 13:00, i was denied round 3 (which irritated me) before she hurriedly left at 13:00. wouldn't do bjs. i try to cajole her in to round 3, saying 'you and me, good boom-boom' (i worked a lot harder than usual when i was tapping her during round 1 and 2) to which she replied 'so-so. ' ouch.

a week or so later at marine disco i'm looking at her thinking she's cute & looks vaguely familiar, then she reminds me that we had been together. i forego getting her again because she doesn't do bjs and she had denied me round 3.

day 2) tue / 1 may, mom's the broker.

friend 2 see photo, overall b = service a + face b + body c.

total lt b1, 020 ($34) = lt b1, 000 + taxi b20, age 28, total 3 x rds = total 5 x pops.

at 02:00 i met friend 2 and her age 48 mom on ws, mom spoke some english so brokered the deal. said they had just arrived to patts but who knows (i give all these women the benefit of a doubt). at the hotel we have drinks at buddy 1's room, at his insistence, with his bargirl but to my irritation since it was delaying road 1. at 03:00 friend 2 and i do round 1, and in between naps we do road 2 & 3 and during one of those rounds i popped 3 times (side effect from the kamagra). she leaves around 12 noon.

3) wed / 2 may, unpoppable.

friend 3, overall b = service a + face b + body c

st b500 ($17).1 kid. 0 x pop.

around 02:00 i'm tipsy and walking br with buddy 1. i come across friend 3, she drives us on her motorbike to my hotel, commences with a bbbj. when it was time to finish, no matter how much i tried with my hand-party (masturbation) , i couldn't. between the alcohol, lack of sleep. 5 x pops the previous night, mini-me was tapped out.

day 4) thu / 3 may, milf.

friend 4 kwang (?) see photo, overall a = service a + face a + body a.

total st b1, 100 = bf b300 + lady fee b700 + tip b100.

15:00 at soi 6 lick bar, age 20 with 5 yr old kid. yes, she had her kid when she was age 15, and yet now her body is flawless with no traces of childbirth. excellent bj and intercourse but unwilling to try anal.

day 5) fri / 4 may, mean girl.

friend 5 wen, overall b = service b + face a + body a.

lt b1, 500 ($50).

it was raining hard around 05:00 and i was having my usual water (b30 ($1) + the usual tip b20 so the waitresses / employees are always wanting me to come back to order water / a drink) at goldstar bar (aka new star bar) on soi diamond & ws, across from candyshop disco. saw wen walk by so i chased after her, us both getting soaked by the rain. offered her a drink, she joined me and she ordered a water. currently she was a fl and she was coy about where she used to work (turns out it was soi 6). we agree on lt b1, 500. about 05:30 was round 1 and she gave excellent head including this really sexy thing where she's holding the base of my cock and slaps mini-me's head against her mouth / tongue (first time any woman's done that slapping thing with mini-me). during intercourse she tells me she's horny because she hasn't had sex / a customer in 2 weeks. (cry me a river, before 2012 friend 1 on 30 apr i hadn't had sex since my los oct-nov 2011 trip). i'm exhausted from all the thrusting but she finally climaxes, i pop for the first time then we rest. just before sleep she tells me that i can do her while she's sleeping, just wear a condom. sadly i didn't have the power to take her up on that offer. around 11:00 we're both awake, do round 2 and then she left.

she had this hot model look but i never bothered trying to hook up with her again because she had this haughty attitude (and she had the intelligence / bachelor's degree / witty english to back it up with) and i thought that if i had her again, she may not be as smoking hot as i remember her to be, so i'll just preserve / savor the memory i have of her stunner bod and face, especially when mini-me was slapping her mouth / tongue. she wouldn't let me take her photo because as she said 'have one farang go soi 6 and take photo of many lady he boom-boom and put it on internet' and she was worried i'the do something similar. absurd.

day 6) sat / 5 may, teenie.

friend 6, overall b = service b + face c + body a

total st b520 = st b500 + taxi b20.

met her on br and she said she was age 19 and had i'd which i should have checked (i just assumed if they were willing to provide an i'd then they're 18+). i just remember her having a good body, ok face, ok sex but the price was right. i took a photo of her but weeks later when my friend 14 sen saw the photo, friend 14 sen said she knew friend 6 from br and that she was age 16. so of course i deleted the photo.

day 7) sun / 6 may, miss six-pack.

friend 7 see photo, overall a = service a + face c + body a, cherry ass (?)

total st b600 ($20) = st b500 + tip b100, age 19, half (or full?) cambodian, age 20, normally works at pacha beer bar on soi 7.

i think this was the night i got drunk on sangsom (thai whiskey) bottle service at basilisk bar at new simon beerbar complex on ws. after buddy 1 did what he could do to get me drunk (i'm a dumb, happy drunk so he thinks it's hilarious when i'm wasted) , he helped me back to the hotel about 03:00. somehow i fell asleep in room 302's bed (right below my room 402) , woke up at 05:00 wondering why the hell it was so hot (aircon was off) , wondering where my netbook (small laptop) was and why the room looked different (because i was in the wrong room but fortunately the guest staying there checked out that morning) and i decided to go out.

when you have insomnia, the best place to go is insomnia. so i was there until 06:30 when it closed, got hungry and walked soi marine towards marine seafood. it was closed and the dining options were limited. friend 7 flirts with me as she's eating with her 2 friends. at 07:30 i decide to hang out at jp bar (on soi marine next to yakuza burger) and apparently that's where the freelancers are from 05:30/06:30 (when ibar / insomnia closes) until at least 10:00. i'm talking to the different fls but they balk at st b500 / lt b1, 000. friend 7 is at jp bar, flirts with me and grabs my sunglasses so i had to pursue her to retrieve them. we agree on st b600 and at 09:00 we're in my room. she showers, comes out and says 'don't get angry' and i'm thinking, 'crap, she's a ladyboy. ' nope, her period just started so we can cancel the st or she can do a bj. i said that's ok and it turns out she gives good head. i had mentioned anal intercourse earlier and she says out of the blue, let's try it.

so i tap in her cherry (?) ass. her face is ok but her body was toned to where i could feel her 4-pack or 6-pack abs, which i like. for whatever reason i hadn't taken any kamagra but mini-me rose up to the challenge of tapping her backdoor. she was very flattering, saying i looked 25 though i was 35, and that i also boom-boomed like a guy age 25. she asked if i had taken viagra, i said no but i have some and does she want me to take it? she said 'no, you take, you kill me' with all the fuck ass we were doing. about 10:00 she asks if she can sleep in my aircon room for a bit since her room has no aircon, and that she'll even pay me b100 ($3. 40) to do so. i said no prob. around 13:00 i have to kick her out since i'm meeting buddy 1 but i paid her the full st b600 = b500 (with the b100 discount since she used my aircon room for sleep) + tip b100 (her bj and anus made me happy). later i see her at pacha beerbar on soi 7 but she ignored me, i ignored her, she sent me angry sms texts, we made up but we never did hook up again.

day 8) mon / 7 may, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s

friend 8 poo, overall a = service a + face b + body b, cim, age 19.

total st b900 ($30) = bf b700 (at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s that covers use of the st room upstairs, bf and the lady's fee for giving you a bj) + tip b100 + ld b100.

at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s on soi lk metro i picked poo because she was age 22, no kids, her face was cute enough (needs to wax the peach fuzz though) and her body looked decent. in the room she was willing to remove all her clothes except for her panties, which is fine since i just wanted to see / fondle what turned out to be her nice breasts. she had superb technique and spent about 40 min on the bj with the occasional breaks to wipe up her excess drool dripping down mini-me and to teasingly complain about why i took so long to finish. i thought about going to the hour mark but decided i wanted to climax so i finished with cim (which is standard at bj bars such as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and bliss lounge). back downstairs at the bar i bought her a ld, which seemed to be the cost of a regular (man / customer drink) + b40 surcharge which i guess is the lady's commission. sadly she no longer works at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url].

day 9) tue / 8 may, siam reap, overall b = service b + face b + body b, age 22, 3-holer.

total lt $90 = fine $70 (which covers bf + lady fee) + tip $20 (the escort seemed determined to get a fat $30+ tip and i think the tip is considered an essential part of her pay system)

did a 1 night package tour (ground transportation, hotel, all meals, guides, tours) to siam reap / angkor what / et al with buddy 1. after all the tours / dinner about 21:00 our taxi drove us to ktv (korean tv) joint per our instruction, inside mamasan showed us 2 batches of girls (approx 10+ girls per batch) and said it was st $50 (st hotel within walking distance) or lt $70 with lady staying with you until 05:00. i had to pay the lt $70 upfront to the mamasan, at my lucky angkor hotel (i don't recommend it due to distant location & joiner fee) i had to pay $5 joiner fee for bringing an outside 'masseuse', and in my room about 22:00 was round 1. during round 1 i wanted bbbj and she said 'you tip me $30' and i said '4 blowjobs' she said 'no' so i said '$30, 3 blowjobs no condom' and she said 'ok. ' during round 1 she did bbbj and surprisingly, anal, really well. round 2 was just bbbj and stupidly, bareback vaginal intercourse (we were both hot for each other at the time). around 01:00 i woke up to her sitting on top of me staring, asking 'you take me to angkor what? ' (my reply: 'no, i go with my friend') and 'you marry me? ' (my reply: 'no' thinking this'll turn in to that movie fatal attraction). she say 'i go now' and got dressed so i only tipped her $20 saying 'you only do 2 blowjobs, ' and she begrudgingly accepted the reduced tip then left.

so it was 02:00 and i was still afflicted with insomnia so i got dressed & found a motorbike taxi for a $4 ride from my hotel to downtown / pub street. it was dead so i had some cambodian street food and like everything i ate on the tour (at the tourist-friendly eateries) , it was crap. at 04:30 i get back to my hotel and call it a night.

day 10) wed / 9 may, insufficient.

friend 10 see photo, overall c = service b + face c + body c.

total st b1, 000 = bf b300 + st b700. 1 kid, age 24.

she works at a beerbar at the pattaya beer garden complex (officially named 'sirens') and in oct 2011 i had bought her a lady drink after finding out she was a 3-holer. in nov 2011 when i wanted to bf her (she was my safety / plan b / contingency girl) , some guy had bf'the her for 2 weeks so i was out of luck. now it was may 2012, she was available so i negotiated her lt lady fee to be b1, 500 ($50) + bf. we met up with buddy 1 and his bargirl, got drinks and smoked some shisha / hookah but i wasn't interested in shooting pool so we went to my room so i could get round 1 out of my system. total disappointment as she wasn't' a 3-holer, just bj and vaginal. her bj and vaginal skills were mediocre and the pregnancy wasn't kind to her body. so we re-negotiated to st, i wanting to pay her b500, her wanting b700 which i agreed to so she left about 23:00. such a letdown.

friend 11 see photo, overall b = service b + face b + body a.

st b700, age 21.

i think around 01:00 i found her on br and thought she was **** because of her outfit (kiddy colorful striped dress) and french bob haircut. i agree to pay b700 since she had no kid, at my room it turned out she had a great body but we just weren't sexually compatible. she left my room seemingly dissatisfied with the insufficient boom-boom, but i was happy getting my rocks off. photo was taken as she dashed out of my room rather disappointed with the sex. oh, well.

day 11) thu / 10 may, runner.

friend 12, overall c = service c + face b + body c.

st b1, 000, 1 kid.

about 04:00 on ws i encounter her and her ugly friend. friend 12 works at a soi 8 beerbar. i make them laugh and get friend 12 to go with me for lt b1, 200. at my room she gets a phone call and says her friend needs b1, 000 now, can i pay that now. i'm skeptical, friend 12 says she'll leave her purse in my room while she meets her friend outside to give her the b1, 000 and that friend 12 will return to the room and stay with me until 10:00. friend 12 returns to my room, we do 1 x pop ending in a cof. 30 min later i did a 2nd pop and friend 12 says that i've had my 2 x pops so she's leaving now. i'm irritated but i'm not going to argue, so i say bye. friend 12 wants the remaining b200 since we had agreed upon lt b1, 200, i say 'you go early, i no pay more' and she leaves. had i not given the b1, 000 earlier (maybe b500 instead) , i would have further docked her pay for reneging on staying with me until 10:00 (in my hopes that i'the get 3 to 4 x pops in total).

day 12) fri / 11 may, forgettable.

friend 13 see photo, overall b = service b + face b + body b.

st b700, age 23.

i don't remember anything about her (she's either from br or ws) except vaguely that she had a good body.

friend 14 sen see photo (1st of 3 hires) , sen.

total st b600 = st b500 + tip b100.

met her on br, her bj skills were awesome but i did fall asleep (stupid insomnia) for a bit. she spent 40+ min on the bj (with me on the love seat and then on the bed) but wouldn't take cim. nonetheless i tipped her b100 and eventually hired a 2nd and 3rd time, whereas in the past i would rarely hire the same escort a 2nd time and up until this trip, never a 3rd time.

friend 15 see photo (i also did her in 2011 which is when this photo was taken) , overall c = service b + face b + body f, cof.

total fl st b540 = st b500 + tip b40.

on br i recognized her from 2011 and decided to hire her again though she seemed to gain some weight. big mistake as once she was in my room and naked it was obvious she gained 12+ lbs and i asked if she was pregnant, she said she never had a kid and the fat was from visiting her mom for a bit and eating too much home-cooking. though she offered to lose her cherry ass to me for a bonus b100, i was so turned off by the fatness that mini-me couldn't even do her cherry ass. she was relieved to not do anal even if it meant foregoing the b100 bonus. i tipped her b40 out of sympathy but hiring her out of nostalgia & a vague memory of her doing a good bj was a big mistake since i could sense that she had gotten lardy.

day 13) sat / 12 may, forget you.

friend 16, total st b600 = fl st b500 + tip b100. i don't remember anything about this chick and my notes are severely lacking.

friend 17 see photo, som, overall b = service b + face c + body b. 3-holer.

total fl lt b1, 000, age 23 with an age 5 (?) kid.

i had first met her in oct 2008 when i bf'the her from worldwide agogo and it was a great gfe but we were not sexually compatible (during woman-on-top she was nearing climax but it was so painful for me that i told her to get off just before she could finish). in 2009 (?) until present she was working airport gogo so i'the run in to her each yr and we remained on friendly terms. the previous night i ran in to her+3 co-workers / airport gogos at insomnia. som was drunk so slept it off at my room (no hanky panky).

tonight about 04:00 after she had gotten off work she said she wanted to sleep at my room again. in my room she wanted sex, i asked 'how much? ' she says 'up to you' so i say 'b10' she looked unhappy so i double it to 'b20. ' i used to think pierced tongues were sexy and enhance fellatio but i've learned that mini-me doesn't like metal / pierced tongues rubbing against him so the bj (som has a tongue piercing) was ok. the vaginal intercourse was ok. som had tried anal before and was willing to do it with me, so the anal intercourse was good. when we woke up we did round 2. i take her to the pattaya orphanage and to see 'the avengers' movies at central festival mall. 6th floor, like i promised (in 2008 when i had bf'the her, my room's a / see was so cold she caught a cold which i felt guilty for and now 4 yrs later i said i would make it up to her by taking her to see 'the avengers'). at my room again we chat and as she leaves she wants payment. i pretend to give her b10, then b20 and of course she's insulted though i remind her 'before you say b20, up to you. ' i end up giving her lt b1, 000, which was what i was expecting to pay all along. she seemed happy and left. we're still on good terms but lt b1, 000 with her again would not work for me. aside from her being a 3-holer, we're just not sexually compatible. i did ask if any of her friends / co-workers at airport gogo would go fl with me, and she laughed and said not for lt b1, 000.

day 14) sun / 13 may. 3 hours.

friend 18 see photo, overall b = service b + face c + body c.

st b700. age 23, 1 kid.

at 05:00 i meet her at insomnia. i'm too tired to negotiate much so i agree to b700 and didn't find out until we were in my room and it was too late that she had a kid. her body was ok, face is too old, sex was ok. during intercourse i get a moderately-painful cramp in my right leg then it's ok, then a less painful cramp in my left leg then it's ok, then a mild cramp in my right leg again. friend 18 says her leg was cramping up (don't know if that was truthful, out of sympathy for me or just trust trying to drum up sympathy for more money). at 06:00 we fall asleep, at 09:00 we wake, i pay her b700 (which she accepts but says she normally gets st b1, 000) and she leaves. i remind myself to drink more water and eat some bananas (re-hydration and potassium) to prevent further cramps.

day 15) mon / 14 may,

friend 19 see photo, overall b = service b + face d + body b.

st b500. 1 kid. found her on br, maybe around 18:00. not a big fan of her face but turned out she had a good body.

friend 14 sen again (see previous photo; 2nd of 3 hires)

total st b600 = lady fee b100 + tip b500. cherry ass.

sometime after midnight i was on br and saw sen again. last time i paid her b500 + tip b100 and she jokingly said this time i can pay her b100 + tip b500, which i'm amenable to. at my place she says there was a euro john who offered her b2, 000 to pop her cherry ass, but because he was 'too big' it was too painful during insertion, so she missed out on the b2, 000 bonus. since we had history (during the 1st hire i fell asleep on her) , she was comfortable with me and i 'not big' so i popped her (supposedly) cherry ass for no additional bonus / cost. my guess as to why women let me tap their (cherry) asses, usually for free, is that aside from me being a good, hansum man who will go really slow & use plenty of lube, is that i'm 'not big' so it can't be that painful and anal intercourse is taboo so it turns them on. if it's their virgin / cherry ass popping then they might as well do it with me before they move in to the big leagues / johns with the big payoffs / bonuses.

day 16) tue / 15 may, triple.

friend 20 (1st of 4 hires) , shalita, overall b = service a + face a + body b, cim, cof.

extended st b900. age 23, 1 kid.

found her on br at 14:00 and we agree upon st b600. she later tells me that she's usually working coconut bar between 13:00 – 19:00 (after 19:00 she usually has a lt or may call it a day). at my place the 1st bj + cim was so good i asked her about staying with me 4 hrs (14:30 – 18:30) for extended st b900 instead of st b600 1 x pop. she said ok and on my 2nd pop it was on her stomach and the 3rd pop was cof. i would have hired her for lt but i had to meet my buddies at 19:00.

friend 21, overall b = service a + face b + body c.

fl lt b1, 000. age 24, 1 kid. she's a dancer at sweethearts agogo.

on ws around 04:00 i came across friend 21 and her friend, made my indecent proposal to friend 21 for st b500, lt b1, 000 and she wanted to do lt b1, 000. i had beer goggles on and once at my place i realized that her body wasn't impressive at all but it was nice to find a low maintenance / easy to negotiate with off-duty gogo. sex with her was ok and she said she worked sweethearts but her face / body was just ok. when i went to that gogo on 18 may (she said she was working that night) to buy her a ld i couldn't find her (and i didn't remember her name so the waitresses / dancers couldn't help me find her).

a couple nights earlier around 03:45 i met a monet (like the painter's paintings, the chick's face doesn't look good up close) who finished work at happy gogo and she scoffed at my st b500, lt b1, 000 and quoted me lt b3, 000 (that's happy gogo retail, no freakin' fl discount other than avoiding the bf b600).15 minutes later i ran in to a group of 5 dancers who just got off work from baccara gogo and the best (which isn't saying much) of the 5 i spoke to wanted lt b3, 000, which all her friends / co-workers said was a fair price since they worked baccara. i didn't even bother negotiating as at a 'discounted' lt b2, 500 (though absent any bf) i still wasn't interested. if she (and the happy gogo dancer) were gogo stunners i'the go up to lt b1, 500, maybe even lt b2, 000 but they were the subpar girls from happy / baccara. apparently they never got the memo about fls only being paid lt b1, 000 if ok-looking, lt b1, 500+ if good-looking or a stunner, by cheap charlies such as myself.

day 17) wed / 16 may, starfish.

friend 22, overall c = service c + face c + body c.

st b500. don't remember anything / have any notes on this one except that i had 1 x pop and she was a starfish. i probably met her on br.

day 18) thu / 17 may, sirens.

friend 23 see photo won.

overall a = service a + face b + body c. cim, cherry ass.

total fl st b660 = lady b500 + tip b100 + tip b60. age 23,

don't remember if she had a kid. she works at pattaya beer garden complex (aka sirens) , patty bar #99. at 10:00 i was walking on br in front of sirens complex when i ran in to her (i think she was headed home). though i could tell she had a tina turner physique (short and muscular which isn't my type) i offered st b500, lt b1, 000 and she accepted. at my room she's eager to please and though i appreciated her eagerness for long bouts of giving me head, her tongue piercings just uncomfortably rubbed against mini-me. she offered to take out the tongue piercing but i said it was ok since we were only doing st. after the anal sex we finished with cim. at 11:30 she left my place and i paid her b500 + tip b100 and said i'the visit her at her bar. that night at her bar i considered buying her a ld (b120+?) but decided to just give her tip b60 (whereas from a ld she would get b30 – b50) , and tip her 3 other co-workers b20 / ea, which came out to b120 anyway. i prefer to dole out b120 in b20 tips than buy 1 x ld for the same price.

during our session while in my bed i did my usual mo (modus operandi ie standard procedure) to enter the backdoor. while in the missionary position i grabbed my bottle of durex play lube, apply it to the tip of my middle finger while the escort is watching me knowing what i have in mind. maintaining some eye contact and with mini-me still inside vaginally, i lube up her sphincter and slowly insert my middle finger in to her anus. occasionally thrusting (in & out) mini-me, i then slowly withdraw mini-me from her vagina while simultaneously working my finger deeper in to her anus. once mini-me is out and my middle finger had been as deep as the 2nd knuckle, i remove my finger from her bunghole and apply lube to the condom, especially around mini-me's head as its initial entry is the hardest part of scoring some anal sex. of course all the while the lady is looking at me somewhat incredulous (especially if she has a cherry ass) and maybe giving some instructions on how i should do it, or expressing her concern that it'll hurt. then i slowly insert mini-me in to her rectum.

2011 was the first time i did a thai girl / escort anally and my old mo was to offer my hand for the girl to bite down on. i thought just the mere offer of my hand to bite on makes the chick brace for the worst so i changed it up in 2012. now the initial entry is still missionary position but with mini-me in her vagina, my middle finger to probe her anus before mini-me pops in.

friend 24 see photo appon, overall a = service a + face b + body b.

total st b580 = b500 + tip b80.

about 16:00 riding the songtaew (aka baht bus) southbound on br with buddy 2, i spotted friend 24. i buzzed the songtaew to stop, got off and spoke to her. later i found out that she was only at coconut bar for 10 min, talking to her friend when i approached her, so i was lucky to find her before she was poached by another lucky devil. she agreed to st b500 but as i didn't have any small bills (only b500 and b1, 000) i had to borrow b20 from her to pay for the songtaew ride for the 2 of us back to my hotel. i stopped at friendship mini-mart at logbase to get some things and some smaller bills but forgot to make sure i got b20s. at my room she gave an amazing bj and handjob combo (typically i don't care for hjs). upon completion i gave her b500 + b100 and i pointed out to her that i still didn't have any b20s but the b100 was to cover re-paying her the b20 i borrowed and her tip. she left happy. few days later i wanted to hire her again but she didn't respond to my sms / texts, so we were never re-united.

friend 25 see 2011 photo (i did her in 2011) ta, overall a = service a + face c + body a.

lt b1, 200. 3-holer. age 20.

i had ran in to ta on br a few days earlier, we remembered each other and i got her phone number. that night about 22:00 i texted her for a st b600, lt b1, 200 and she agreed to lt. about 01:00 we met in front of candyshop disco, stopped by buddy 3's room on the upper floor of grand hotel (soi 14, near my hotel) to partake a bit of his house party / drinks, then got to my place at 02:00. in 2011 she wanted cbj and didn't spend long on bbbj. in 2012 she took her time at bbbj which made me happy and even better was that she was now a 3-holer. had 2 x rounds (total 2 x pops) with her.

day 19) fri / 18 may, that's it.

friend 14 sen again (3rd of 3 hires)

total st b700 = lady b500 + tip b200.

about 17:00 i saw sen on br again. she would not do lt so i had to constantly hire for st for the sake of her amazing bjs: no complaining ever and she does the bj for as long as i want. she said that the 2nd time we were together and we did anal, she didn't feel right a few days after. i felt kinda guilty so at the end of the session i paid her b500 + tip b200 (b100 more than the previous 2 hires). we parted on good terms again.

friend 26 cindy, overall b = service a + face b + body c.

total st b800 = bf / lady fee b700 + tip b100. cim.

me and my 2 x buddies were at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] about 19:00 and i immediately selected friend 26 cindy before anybody else could. in the room i reminded her that i wanted her to take off her clothes, she took off her top / bra which was enough for me when i realized she was kinda thick (could lose maybe 7+ lbs). nevertheless she had a sexy face that reminded me of eva mendes, she did the bj for 30+ minutes and we finished with cim. downstairs i tipped her b100 instead of buying her a ld.

friend 27, overall b = service a + face c + body c.

total lt b1, 020 = b1, 000 + taxi b20.

after midnight i walked north on br and it was slim pickings that night. after initially passing up on friend 27, since i couldn't find any other reasonably priced br escort i back-tracked to friend 27 who had agreed earlier to do lt b1, 000. her face was ok and once naked at my place her body turned out to be a c (i thought it would be a d) , helped in part by the fact she never had kids. intercourse was ok but she had no complaints with doing the bj for long periods. had 2 x rounds (2 x pops) , also gave her taxi money and considered her my br safety. on subsequent nights i would see her again, i don't think she gets hired a lot because when she's sitting she really slouches (scoliosis?) , and she sits closer to the beach then the road so johns have a harder time seeing / communicating with her.

day 20) sat / 19 may, fond memories.

friend 28 see left 2012 photo, (also did her in 2011, see right photo) , overall a = service a + face b + body b.

st b500. on br about 18:00, she doesn't remember me but i remember her having a good body albeit it was ok sex. it was nice that she quoted me st b500, no haggling necessary. she said she used to work at a jomtien beerbar but decided to just work for herself.

friend 29 see photo, overall a = service a + face b + body b.

lt b1, 500, cherry ass. 3-holer, age 19.

i met her either at ws, insomnia or maybe marine disco, about 03:00. she's childless and 19, i was too tired to continue the hunt, so i agreed to her lt b1, 500. 04:00 we're in my room and she doesn't do much for bjs, but i was able to tap her cherry ass. she was reluctant to since it might hurt, but since she has cushion for the pushin' and i never got up to full ramming speed (i deliberately kept it slow to reduce pain) so it worked out fine for her from what i could tell. we slept and did round 2 about 10:30, no anal, i think just vaginal (or maybe i just had a hand-party and jizzed on her stomach).11:30 i buy her lunch at boat bakery (her thai dish + my drink was only b60+) and we part ways.

day 21) sun / 20 may, bliss lounge.

friend 30, overall b = service a + face c + body c.

total b800 = lady / bf b700 + tip b100. with buddy 4 for the first time i went to bliss lounge (on third roadatsoi excite (spelling?) , across from where x-cyte (sp?) disco used to be) , which is just about. 7+ mi (1+ km) east of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. i had heard that until recently bliss charged total b600 (including bf+lady fee+use of standard st room upstairs) but the price was now total b700, same as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. it was 15:00 and my only time going to bliss so it was hard to tell if bliss had better women. i would guess that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] has more women with most being ok or ugly looking and a couple of cuties whereas bliss' escorts were fewer but on average kinda cute.

same business model as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] but bliss' standard room upstairs has an easy chair and a bed, albeit twin-sized mattress. at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] to get the room with a bed, full (?) sized, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]' friend 26 cindy told me it was b1, 400 instead of b700 but included fs, not just a bj. at bliss i did use their facility to shower before & after the bj, i don't know if that's available at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url].

friend 31, overall c = service c + face b + body c.

total lt b1, 020 = b1, 000 + taxi b20. cherry ass. about 22:00 i thought i found a br bargain when she agreed to lt b1, 000, but that was only the start of the tab.

her story was that a year ago she was a sweethearts gogo dancer, a euro john liked / bf'the her, eventually paid b8, 000 ($260) to release her from her gogo contract. 1 year and 1 week later (now may 2012) they've been boyfriend / girlfriend with him sponsoring her with euro 500 each month (about $620 / month). in aug 2012 he was coming to thailand again to marry her. on 20 may when i met her at coconut bar she needed money because she had spent her month's sponsorship money on shopping the previous day.

she drank a lot, total 9+ x singhas thru-out the course of the night. about 22:30 was round 1 (1 x pop) at my place and she drank 1 x singha from my fridge. it was raining heavily so we played pool at new simon and she had 1 x singha. went to old simon, she had 1 x singha. went to visit her friends' apple beerbar at 'made in thailand' beerbar complex on 2nd road across from central festival mall, there she had 2 x singhas. (fortunately it was an employee / friend's birthday so there was free food & the be-day girl rang the bell once, buying all employees & customers a round of drinks). went to insomnia she had 2 x singhas, at ibar another singha. at 05:00 back at my hotel room she had another singha from my fridge, we did round 2 (1 x pop) , she vomited and clogged my bathroom sink (obviously she was feeling sick from the excessive drinking but possibly due to my love-making) , wanted to go back to her room to sleep, i paid her b1, 000 and she asked for taxi fare and showed me the contents of her purse, bereft of any baht. as i gave her taxi b20, she said she missed her euro boyfriend and wish he was here. give me a break, lady.

when i was out window-shopping on br i had thought it might be nice to go out gfe with my escort: some food, some drinks, a little disco. friend 31 was not the person to do it with, and worst of all she blamed me for her intoxication saying earlier 'you take care of me? ' and after round 2 'why you no take care of me? ' i had hoped her getting buzzed would make her more receptive to popping her cherry ass, but during round 2 while in the doggy style position (maybe that was the problem, we should have been missionary) after a little finger probing i was only able to get mini-me's head in to her butt for a look. she said it was too painful, so there wasn't full insertion, but i'll count it as a cherry poppin' success because 1) after me she may not let another cock get past her sphincter and 2) although full insertion is preferable, mini-me head insertion is a grey area that i'll qualify as cherry-popping.

friend 32 see photo, overall b = service b + face c + body c.

total fl lt b1, 000 = b1, 000 + tip b60, 3-holer, age 21, normally works at dream bar pim 1 at new simon beerbar complex.

my timeline of when i got friend 31 and 32 is definitely off as i did not get them both lt in the same night. whatever day (day 21 or so) i got friend 32, what happened was: about 04:00 i'm walking towards insomnia when i come across 3 ladies from pim beerbar. yu (that's the bargirl's name) and i was on friendly terms so she said how about i take friend 32 (who spoke little english) , i asked lt b1, 000 and does she boom-boom ass, the answer was yes and yes, so deal. at my room friend 32 is too wild for mini-me and with her tongue piercing the bj hurts, when she was rough-riding me on top it hurt (i thought i would suffer a penile fracture) , and things finally got better when we did anal intercourse. she took full insertion / full ramming speed no problem and seemed to enjoy it.

at 09:00 i wake up but it was too late, she was in the bathroom showering and when she came out was fully dressed. since mini-me was afraid of her vagina and bj skills, and had her anally last night so that it was no longer a novel this morning, i just did a hand-party. i got her to lay beside me (fully clothed, i didn't want to make her shower again because i'm just so considerate) , and i jizzed on her kneecap (kneecapped her?). now, a round traditionally involves intercourse or a bj but i only require that of round 1 and subsequent round (s) that she only be with me (eg just laying in bed beside me, but usually we have oral / vaginal / anal intercourse also). besides, every one of my pop's is a result of my hand-party at the end of the round (long story but here's the short story: since 2008 i haven't popped inside a girl's vagina / anus and it's unlikely i'll ever be able to do so again. to pop during cim i have to do a hand-party and a second before climax insert mini-me in to her mouth).

i walk past her / her bar on a few occasions but mostly ignore her. her saving grace was that she was a 3-holer (though truthfully she did her best to please me with her vagina / mouth, but with the language barrier i couldn't communicate how i wanted it done, so we definitely were not sexually compatible). she was studying a book titled 'get rich quick english for bargirls' or something like that. on one of my last nights i stopped by her bar, tipped her b60 ($3) to try to make amends, she seemed happy, and i left at that.

day 22) mon / 21 may. 5 in 6.

friend 20 shalita again (2nd of 4 hires)

total lt b2, 220 = lt b2, 000 (?) + tip b100 + mcdonalds b120, 6 x bjs but only 5 x pops.

via sms i think i offered lt b2, 000 (, at least that's what i wrote in my notes but i don't typically pay fl lt b2, 000) for 12 hrs with her, approx 19:00 – 07:00 which was the time she spent on lt with one of her regular johns (though i know that john paid lt b1, 500 to her though i don't know how many boom-booms / bjs / pops he squeezed in). she came to my hotel & i explained to her that she could hang out in my room (sleep, watch cable tv, use my netbook / facebook) while i was out / with my buddies in-between bjs. she said during my 1st hire of her we did do intercourse (i don't remember) but we both agreed that just bjs this time was ideal for both of us. as best as i can remember at 19:00 was bj 1 then i go out / see buddies. 21:00 bj 2 then go out / see buddies. 23:00 bj 3 then go / out see buddies. 00:30 bj 4 but i couldn't finish and i go to sleep. 04:00 bj 5 (with pop 4) and then 06:00 bj 6 (with pop 5). she never complained about quantity or how long the bjs went, and when i showed her how i liked her to take mini-me and slap it against her tongue / mouth (which friend 5 wen first did) , she added that to her repertoire of teabagging, deep-throating, tongue doing circles around mini-me's head, etc. at 07:00 i paid her b2, 000 (?) and was so happy with the 6 bjs / 5 pops that i gave her tip b100 and gave her b120 for mcds when she mentioned that she had a craving for mcds (i was thinking of taking her out to a meal but so i could avoid going out in to the sizzling sun i just gave her the money to buy her own breakfast).

day 23) tue / 22 may, bangkok

friend 33, overall c = service c + face b + body c (service c since her workplace music killed my mojo)

total st b700 including lady fee / bf / use of st spot upstairs at lollipop 1 (bj bar) on sukhumvit soi 10.

at 19:30 i checked out the lollipop 1 lineup and it was ok, at 00:00 checked out bkk [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] but it was unsatisfactory so at 00:30 i was back at lollipop 1 to pick a lady. her and i went upstairs and unfortunately i only had a couch and curtains to separate me from the other riff-raff johns. her technique was ok with mostly head-bobbing. the easy listening music was irritating the hell out of me and so i couldn't finish. at 01:00 lollipop was closing, it was a lost cause for me (i blame the crappy music) , left without tipping the lady, walked down the street to my hotel and finished in the comfort of my bed in my hotel room. wasn't easy at all, but it had been 18 hrs since i last ejaculated, i was caught up on my sleep, i wasn't drunk, so mini-me should have been re-charged by then.

from 20:00 – 24:00 i checked out soi cowboy & nep (nana entertainment plaza) +parking lot. for gogos it was bf b600 + st b2, 000, lt before. 000. drinks were expensive with the draft beer alone being b110 and the gogo dancers were rarely topless / nude. soi cowboy's bkk baccara gogo was packed (with ladies & johns) but the lack of nudity and expensive drinks made me really wish i was back in patts. at nep i should have checked out angelwitch gogo but i do remember being somewhat happy with bkk spanky's gogo compared to most other bkk gogos being middling. at 02:00 after i was done with my lollipop / private hand-party ordeal i decided to check out bkk insomnia disco. at that time cover was b300 so i should have gone in before midnight (?) to see if the cover was less and get a handstamp so i can return anytime. insomnia bkk is easily more than twice the size of patts' insomnia but the layout was disappointing and i think the men outnumbered the women (whereas patts tends to be more women). after talking to fls at bkk insomnia, at nana parking lot, at eateries on sukhumvit and while walking home from the club, by 04:00 the best i came up for an adequately attractive sp was fl st b1, 000 and fl lt b2, 000. i considered hiring fl lt b2, 000, age 23 even though she had a kid but when she wanted cbj and i wanted bbbj, the deal fell thru. no problem because at 12:00 the next day i did hotel check-out, was on the bell shuttle service to patts and was at my patts hotel at 15:00.

day 24) wed / 23 may, rain over me.

friend 34 see photo, overall b = service b + face c + body c.

total st b520 = b500 + taxi b20. age 21.

15:30 at my patts hotel again i hurriedly unpacked the minimum, grabbed my umbrella and dashed towards br. too late as it had already started raining heavily. near marriott the first lady i spoke to balked at st b500 even though i was the only john braving the high wind & dense rain to hire her. i continued north on br and soon came across friend 34, agreed upon st b500 so we hopped a songtaew back to my hotel. she never had a kid but her body was just ok. i vaguely remember the bj and intercourse being satisfactory and i didn't try to tap her ass. i was just happy to have a sp with little effort and little cost, especially compared to bkk.

friend 35 see photo, overall c = service b + face c + body c.

total st b520 = b500 + taxi b20. age 23, 1 kid.

i think it was around midnight when i was on br and came across friend 35. i think it was an ok bj and i skipped the intercourse (the pregnancy was not good to her body and in the light of my room i realized that her face was not for me after all).

friend 36 pop see photo, overall a = service a + face b + body b.

total lt b1, 320 = lady b1, 000 + tip b200 + taxi b20 + food b100. 3 rounds. 3 x pops. 3-holer. 1 kid. works at big c mall.

i was at insomnia and 04:00 – 06:00 i had wasted my time flirting with this age 21, hot, hourglass shaped ex-champagne gogo who claimed to not have silicone (implants) and that her beautiful rack was all natural. as my occasional habit, for the group (me + my target ie the ex-gogo + her friends in this case 3 other ladies) i bought insomnia's popcorn (b95?) for us to share and a round of slushee shots at b30 / shot. the b95 popcorn and the b30 / slushee shot was the cheapest way i knew of to treat the girls since a beer is b100+ each and bottle service is b1, 000+. though ex-champagne girl and i freaked / danced a little and lightly kissed, i could tell she was losing interest and when i first met her at 04:00 i should have taken her reply 'we go when i finish drink, ok? ' as a warning to move on. by 06:00 she had finally finished her beer but when i asked 'we go now, ' she inquired 'how much you give me, ' i say 'how much you want? ' then 'st b500, lt b1, 000' and she didn't dignify that offer with a response. so i just shrugged in disgust at wasting my time on this high maintenance chick, walked off to another part of insomnia and luckily found friend 36 soon thereafter.

at 06:00 i asked pop if she wanted to go with me, she asked 'you pay me, ' i say 'yes, lt b1, 000' and off we went. on the way to the hotel she wanted durian (the king of fruits) so at a fruit truck i bought about b95 worth of it. in my room i found out she had a kid but apparently it didn't affect her breasts / stomach too much. she had a gorbachev birthmark blotch on part of her forehead (which she tries to hide with her bangs) but i still found her really cute. she was off the next 2 days from her job at a big c mall shop. 06:30 towards the latter part of round 1 initially she said 'no boom-boom ass' but then as i was doing my lube, middle finger, mini-me's grand entrance thing she went from 'no' to 'slowly. ' i think she said she had done fuck-ass once before and didn't care for it. for whatever reason we had a good time doing it. she rode me woman-on-top with cock in her ass.

i think it was round 2 (at 10:00 after we napped?) that during the fuck-ass part she rode me reverse-cowgirl style. about 13:00 she showered, got dressed and was about to leave. i flirted with her some, while behind her i pulled down her sexy, tight black shorts & panties (i think she had some on) and rubbed mini-me against her buttocks. unexpectedly, mini-me woke up and i wanted boom-boom and pop was game. we went over to the bed and with her bootie shorts pulled down to her knees i took her from behind. before long i grabbed the lube, she said 'slowly' and we were boom-booming ass. after this 3rd pop. 3rd round (only lasted 20 min or so) she didn't even bother showering before she left. i paid her the lt b1, 000, told her here's tip b200, taxi b20 and another food b100 (since i didn't want to go with her to eat in some airconless joint / food stand).

day 25) thu / 24 may, mom's teenie.

the night before my buddies and i hung out at drinking street (off 2nd road, across from soi 1 or so) when i mistook teenie 2 for a bargirl. her and her mom's business was actually replacing chairs / barstools, and though she wouldn't go with me then she gave me her phone number. so this night we had sms coordinated to meet at 19:00 at my hotel and in my text i clearly stated 'short time 500 baht, long time 1, 000' which wouldn't look good as evidence during a prosecution of pre-meditated statutory [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. total waste as when mom + teenie 2 arrived to my hotel reception at 19:30 and i insisted i wanted her i'd for the front desk, with the hotel receptionist as interpreter the teenie admitted to being only age 17 and without i'd, and her mom lying and saying that she thought i just wanted to 'take her (daughter) to dinner. ' yes, that's exactly why i bring women up to my room, for dinner and a cable tv b-movie = ridiculous. for their troubles i gave the mom / mamasan taxi b20 and the teenie daughter b100.

my memories a little murky on the rest of the night but i think at 20:30 i met with my buddies to gogo / beerbar hop. around 23:00 i ran in to shalita again, this time on ws.

friend 20 shalita again (3rd of 4 hires) , lt b1, 500, 4 x bjs. 4 x pops. so 30 minutes after saying hi to shalita on ws, i decided she would do for the night. i texted her, we met up and agreed upon the fee. i think she was with me from 00:00 – 12:00 and all we did were bjs.

day 26) fri / 25 may, forgo the bargain lt.

friend 37 see photo, overall b = service b + face b + body b.

total st b620 = b600 + taxi b20. age 21.

i think around 22:00 i came across friend 37 on br and b600 seemed reasonable considering she was childless and young. once on the songtaew when i asked her she said she does lt b1, 200 so i was really surprised (i was expecting her to say she didn't do lt or quote me b1, 500. b2, 000). at my room the bj (?) and / or intercourse (?) was ok and she had a nice body but i just wasn't feeling that emotional, kinship souls connection and thought i should try my luck with another fl since the night was young. deciding against the lt hire, i paid her the st and she left.

friend 38 see photo, overall c = service b + face c + body c.

total st b520 = b500 + taxi b20.

after midnight (maybe 03:00?) i was on br and we agreed upon st b500. i assume we at least did a bj, maybe intercourse but definitely not anal (which i would have remembered). i don't think she has a kid and i think her body was somewhat better than what i was anticipating.

day 27) sat / 26 may, slim pickings.

friend 39 see photo, overall c = service c + face d + body c.

total st b520+ = b500 + taxi b20 + small can v8 + yogurt. has a kid, said she was age 21 but was actually age 29.

at 10:00 i was on br and i walked long before i came across anything even remotely decent eg friend 39. she had a kid but at st b500 at 10 in the morning, i figured why not. in my room i found out she was a smoker (cigarettes in addition to cocks) and during the bj because of the smell i kept thinking of an ashtray. we moved from the loveseat to the bed, i hurriedly finished on her stomach and i bidded her adieu. we had gone to logbase before the hotel and in friendship mini-mart she had asked for about b30 worth of stuff (the v8 juice and yogurt cup) and in the hotel room i gave her my durian (it was stinking up my fridge) remaining from when i bought it for friend 36 (i don't like the taste but it's a potent laxative, though in thailand i'm rarely backed up due to all the fruit / vegetable eating in my los diet).

friend 40 koy see photos (she's in the left photo; her older, twin sister in the right photo is 2011 friend 8) , koy, overall a = service a + face c + body a.

total st b620+ = b600 + taxi b20. age 21.

at 15:00 i was at my favorite hole in the wall eatery in restaurant alley near tukcom and came across friend 40 sitting with 2011 friend 8 and a 3rd girl. i ordered my food and they said i should join them at their table. we didn't talk much but i did try all of their dishes and offered them the 2 dishes i ordered. i gestured to the restaurateur that i wanted to pay for all of us and the bill came out to total b300 ($10) = b260 + tip b40. back at the table i guess the ladies didn't notice i paid since when one of them was about to pay the restaurateur told them the bill was already taken care of. i had asked 2011 friend 8 if it was ok if i went with her twin sister, she nodded yes. the meal over i got up, asked koy if she wanted to go with me. she asked how much and i said st b500, lt b1, 000. she countered st b700, i said b600 and the deal was sealed. her and i walked back to my hotel. her older twin sister had a kid which resulted in stomach wrinkles and consequences for her breasts. this younger sister had a practically immaculate body: slim, perfectly proportional medium-a cups and no blemishes from child-bearing. i even considered hiring both for st or lt so i could lay them naked side-by-side and analyze how much a pregnancy affects a woman.

16:00 at my hotel i did take kamagra but the ½ pill wasn't enough. around the 20 min mark i just lost my erection and mini-me was falling asleep. i apologized, she seemed understanding, and as i did my hand-party she did her own hand-party. i finished myself and she finished herself (i rarely see los chicks masturbating themselves to completion). she was still horny and wanted more boom-boom but mini-me was all pooped out. had mini-me awaken i'm sure i could have tapped her cherry ass, but alas it was not to be. i paid her and per her request walked her down to the lobby and out the hotel. biggest mistake (before her i walked only 2 other ladies out; i usually just stayed in my room to savor finishing and avoid exerting myself down & up the 4 flights of stairs) as i watched her hot, sexy body walk away from me, my body turned towards my hotel to walk. not looking where i was going, i fell into a hole, sustaining an injury to my right shin i'm still trying to recover from.

friend 41 see photo, overall b = service b + face b + body b.

total st b560 = b500 + taxi b60. age 21.

after midnight i found friend 41 on br and she quoted me st b500 so i immediately agreed to it and we hopped on the baht bus. since she had no kids she had a pretty good body. i'm guessing she did an ok bj and we had ok intercourse as i don't recall much. if i did try to tap her ass i was denied entry because i wouldn't forget tapping her's.

day 28) sun / 27 may, mother approved.

friend 42, overall a = service a + face c + body b.

total lt b1, 040 = b1, 000 + taxi b20 + mom taxi b20. cherry ass. age 21.

friend 14 sen had finally agreed to go with me lt (b1, 500?) but when i sms'the her at 21:00 she replied that she was ill tonight and could go lt with me the following night. after ws gogo / beerbar-hopping at midnight i walked from ws on br towards soi 6. i looked for a couple of bargirls who worked on soi 7& i considered bfing on previous but neither were available. on soi 6 at 01:00 at lick bar i saw friend 4 kwang (?) and told her let's go but unfortunately lick bar was open and the lt bf b500 was still in effect. earlier that day at 17:00 i had visited her at soi 6 and she said lady fee lt b2, 000 and mamasan said lt bf b800 but i could pick her up at 21:00 since she had many customers. i lost interest then mamasan, 'ok. 7 pm' but i just went away empty handed. now that it was 01:00 the lt bf b500 seemed irritating and i declined her offer of total st b1, 000 = bf b300 + lady b700 (same as my first hire of her) so it was not meant to be with friend 4 kwang (?).

02:00 walking south on br from soi 6 i eventually came across friend 42 sitting with a br vendor (tea / snacks or something) who turned out to be friend 42's mom. i discretely propositioned friend 42 st b500, lt b1, 000 and she considered it. the mom knew what i was looking for and seemed to encourage friend 42 to go with me, friend 42 gave me an affirmative, i asked what time she would go home and she said 10:00 so the deal was sealed. i gave the mom b20 and said 'for taxi' and hopped in a songtaew with her daughter. at my hotel she told me she used to work at a beerbar, and she tried 1 day as a gogo but that was just too tiring so she quit that and now she's a student. her last john was a month (?) ago. during round 1 she does a good bj and intercourse and i was pleasantly surprised when it didn't take much sweet-talking to get her to try anal. i had to do all the work (even with woman-on-top it took my hips / exertion to get her body / anus to bounce up & down on mini-me) but it was so worth it. it's all perception but when i'm doing all the work during vaginal it's tiresome and i worry about losing the erection, but do the same work during anal and i feel energized, mini-me doesn't fall asleep when compressed by her sphincter and intercourse seems much more gratifying.

tangent: 04:40 she's asleep and i couldn't really sleep so i stroll ws to get food & see what's going on but i have to be in my room again at 06:00 because buddy 1 (now back in the us) wrote that he would skype / call me then. at 06:00 i'm back in my room really to do a #2 in my own bathroom, and at 6:15 buddy 1 and i finally skype. normally i hate to be bothered by anybody in the us when i'm in deep mongering mode (even if it's an los trip for 30-days i just want to focus on my friends & buddies in los & ignore the noise from the us) , but buddy 1 had been with me in los just a couple of weeks earlier so i made an exception. at 06:25 i depart my hotel & rush to insomnia which closes at 06:30. for the past couple of hrs i had been sms flirting with this age 22 college grad fl (miss graduate) who i had met at soi 8 where she was drinking for free at her friend's beerbar. i considered paying her fl lt b2, 000 (she would not come down to b1, 500) as i have a weakness for college students / recent grad fls and she did have a nice body from what i could tell but her face was only a c, maybe a b, on account of her poor complexion. i had already popped / had no power but i wanted a friendly chit-chat with her at insomnia and if we never fornicate / do st / lt then it'the be easier to establish a solely plutonic friendship as i think she was from bkk. at 06:28 the insomnia bouncers let me in but i couldn't find miss graduate even though at 06:00 she texted me she was there & i replied i'the be there at 06:30. i figured she had found a john in the last 30 minutes, now 06:33 insomnia's music was off & lights on so trying to meet up with her turned out to be pointless. i did run in to friend 36 pop at insomnia who said she now worked part-time at 7-11. to someday do a 3-holer threesome with friend 36 pop & friend 42 would blow my mind / mini-me's mind (which is probably what doing a devil's den threesome is like but that's too rich for my blood / wallet). since friend 36 & friend 42 didn't know each other no point in trying to organize a threesome.

07:00 i'm back in the room, friend 42 slightly awake and more importantly, horny so we do round 2 though i can't remember which holes were entered, the vagina at the very least. we're both asleep at 07:30 and at 10:00 we wake and friend 42 said it's her time to leave. i should have set my alarm for 09:30 so i could squeeze in / out a round 3, but the kamagra benefits were gone and on account of my leg / shin injury my body / mini-me were beginning to suffer the aftershocks (soreness, lack of energy, stiffness as in the lack of mobility, limping) so even sodomy may not be enough to get me erect / popping. i pay friend 42 and she's gone.

day 29) mon / 28 may, anti-climax.

friend 20 shalita again (3rd of 4 hires)

total extended lt b2, 235 = extended lt b2, 200 + taxi b20 + loose coins i wanted to get rid of b15, 4 x bjs but only 2 x pops.

a few days earlier i had worked out with shalita for her to stay with me for 24 hrs from 12:00 mon / 28 may until 12:00 tue / 29 may (at which time i had to check-out of my hotel & catch bell shuttle to the airport) for (extended) lt b2, 200. unfortunately when i got around to booking my bell shuttle i had to get picked up at 10:30 to make my flight, so that meant check-out at 10:15 (which meant my negotiated extended lt would be cut short 2 hrs) and shalita got to my hotel late, at 13:00 (which i kind of expected). so from 13:00 until 10:00 left me about 21 hrs with shalita which would suffice. the worst part was i had hoped to get 6+ x bjs. 6+ x pops in but the shin injury messed me up physically though i had initially thought it was a relatively minor cut / scratch (it's not as if i broke a bone). for bj 1: the 13:00 – 14:00 bj (90% bj. 10% my hand-party) mini-me went soft and the 14:00 – 14:30 hand-party (90% hand-party – 10% bj) yielded no pop. my entire body achin' (though it was only my right shin and pride that was injured) , i slept 15:00 – 18:00. 18:00 – 19:00 we had chicken with rice & chicken soup (b50 / plate) on soi 15 for dinner and after stopped at a pharmacy to get a b40 tamarind sore throat / cough syrup for shalita (she had a 'bad man' john for her lt the night before who was in to throat-gagging shalita against her protestations).

shalita asked for cake for dessert and since i could not manage to limp to mcds with her (is there no other place on ws for cake / pastries, i only know of the ws gelaterias selling gelato) so gave her b200 to pick out what she wanted while i went to my room. at 19:30 she meets me back in my room and it's bj 2 time and luckily i took kamagra at 19:00 (though it's better to do so on an empty stomach).19:30 – 21:00 (no, it's never 90 minutes of straight sucking, hand-pumping, there were breaks to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], wash after pissing, take a breather, cuddle and assuage my blue-ball pain, curse beneath my breath, etc) the bj and my hand-party at long last, thank allah, yielded pop 1. 21:00 – 01:00 i slept and the 01:00 – 02:00 bj 3 resulted in no pop, i curse you, flesh wound!

oh i wish the porn websites weren't blocked in los so viewing internet porn to help me with finishing wasn't an option. 01:00 – 07:00 sleep and thinking that i was having hot flashes / bouts of fevers on account of my body fighting off any infection / gangrene i occasionally awake in a pool of sweat, but at 07:00 i finally think to check my aircon setting and shalita had turned it up from my usual 25 degrees celsius (77 degrees fahrenheit) to a freakin' 28 celsius (82. 4 fahrenheit) because it had been too cold for her. i turn it down to 25 celsius which meant i was no longer dripping with sweat (moreso now a slow run-off of sweat) during a bj / hand-party.

07:30 – 08:45 bj 4 and i was so worried i wouldn't get a pop in before leaving los that it could have been a self-fulfilling prophecy. my old, frail body (though i'm only age 35; i have no idea how those age 60+ mongers continue do it) was expending whatever miniscule energy i had dealing with the shin injury consequences that it had little / nothing to power mini-me with. internet porn was unavailable so i thought about all the escorts i did on this trip, then i replayed all my favorite internet porn clips: asian street meat, exploited teens asia, creampie thais, japanese porn. then i thought about caucasian porn, mostly from eastern europe since i love spinners: double teamed teens and the like. my imagination didn't really help. 08:45 i considered having shalita just wait in the bathroom so i could finish (?) in privacy since maybe mini-me had stage fright or maybe i just needed to pop more kamagra. at any rate. 08:45 – 09:00 (we're both laying in bed) i tell shalita to lay on her left-side to face away from me, i do a hand-party as if it was my last and literally it is my last hand-party before leaving los and spending 20+ hrs getting back to the us. finally, i pop (only pop 2) and was so relieved because i did not want to endure air travel with blue balls. both pops were on to the bedsheets, no cim, no cof, because i was so laser focused on my hand parties / finishing that i worried if i took the split second to aim for her face or insert mini-me in to her mouth for cim, the pops wouldn't materialize. these last 20+ hrs with my last p4p of the trip was anti-climactic but sadly it's probably more sex than i'll get in the next 11 months in the us waiting / hand-party training for my next los trip.

on day 30, tue / 29 may, sadly, i fly back to the us.

I hope nobody copies and pastes his post!

[QUOTE=Amex Spg;1296982]Warning: Do not read this report if you're easily bored or really negative / critical. This is all IMHO and YMMV.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up, Amex. I took your advice.

When I want to read a novel I go to the bookstore.

[QUOTE=Amex Spg;1296982]Warning: Do not read this report if you're easily bored or really negative / critical. This is all IMHO and YMMV.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much. I will read it carefully. Seems like a very good guide to Pattaya night life and also many things that concerns the life outside the mongering. I'm going late October and I will probably have read this megapost many times til then.

From your report, it appears the price ST500 / LT1000 are not sticking. You don't appear to be as cheap a charlie as you were last year.

Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1297090]Looks like a good read. Can someone do a summarized version.[/QUOTE]My impression having read AMEX's previous reports is that you can pick up (or be picked up by) girls any time of day or night, so it's not going to require much effort at all to score. GoldStar bar is one of the places to view activities on WS without having to pay up for expensive drinks (water 30B?). Seems it's harder to get ST500 / LT1000. Amex has been spending a lot more this time round, which makes me think he's now got a job!

Hi Guys, I'm back after spending twenty fu*k*in days in amazing Thailand. All preparations done at ISG have been really helpful but nothing went really as decided, I just went with the flow. In last 3 weeks I picked some 32 girls / women & for me it was life time experience, have no words to express the vibrance of Pattaya. As soon as sun sets the city goes crazy, I just couldn't believe my eyes, everywhere along the roads are open bars full of women, wine & music calling on you.

I started with Pattaya MPs, I picked one girl each at Honey for 1800, PP for 1800 & dream teen massage for 400+1500 after bargain. Then I had fucking amazing teen girl at SOi 6 for B1000, she even promised me next session for B700 but when I got back the other day she refused & said that offer was for the same day. Next I picked a woman over 40 from some beer bar on my first step to walking street, I paid 2100, 1000 to lady + 400 bar fine + 400 drinks + short time room for B300. Rest I picked were all freelancers from along the beach road & walking street for 700-1000 baht. Fortunately no one tried to rip me off but yes all freelancers were in real hurry except few who even stayed with me for whole night only after I blasted their pussies like there's no tomorrow which they really loved.

After having an amazing experience in Pattaya I landed up in Bangkok to spend my last few days. But I was not happy at all after experiencing Pattaya until again I explored Nana Plaza & area around it. Fucking great variety with so many women & the best thing which I never expected was to find few sexy arabians & black girl from kenya. As my first hotel at B900 was charging me a joiners fee of 600 so I had to go to ST hotels but then soon I switched to little more expensive hotel at B1200 near Nana BTS but they didn't charge me any joiners fee & had a free coffee vending machine too which saved me B200 a day. Here I picked 2 black beauties. 2 Arabians, & rest beautiful Thai girls.

Finally with so many phone no's & girls left untreated I had to leave, on my last day I was so sad as I didn't want to leave this country. Thailand is just so amazing. Now I'm back & again planing to go to the kingdom in sep-oct. This time I'm planning a long trip by getting a condo with kitchen on monthly basis, that will save me a lot. It was my best ever trip indeed, thanks again to everyone here who guided me to this kingdom of heaven.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1297012]I hope nobody copies and pastes his post![/QUOTE]Yeah andnmaybe to comment "good report".

[QUOTE=Andy7; 1297475]Hi Guys, I'm back after spending twenty fu*k*in days in amazing Thailand. All preparations done at ISG have been really helpful but nothing went really as decided, I just went with the flow.

This time I'm planning a long trip by getting a condo with kitchen on monthly basis, that will save me a lot. It was my best ever trip indeed, thanks again to everyone here who guided me to this kingdom of heaven.[/QUOTE]Is that all? 3 weeks all in this? Kidding but Maybe you want to elaborate the more interesting encounters as the arab and black girls, some MP, with prices.

Joiner fee: said many Time: check your hotel choice and better book a room for two.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1296643]One more time: LT FL Disco = 1000 baht![/QUOTE]Which discos? What age range are your girls?

[QUOTE=Andy7;1297475]After having an amazing experience in Pattaya I landed up in Bangkok to spend my last few days. But I was not happy at all after experiencing Pattaya until again I explored Nana Plaza & area around it. Fucking great variety with so many women & the best thing which I never expected was to find few sexy arabians & black girl from kenya. As my first hotel at B900 was charging me a joiners fee of 600 so I had to go to ST hotels but then soon I switched to little more expensive hotel at B1200 near Nana BTS but they didn't charge me any joiners fee & had a free coffee vending machine too which saved me B200 a day. Here I picked 2 black beauties. 2 Arabians, & rest beautiful Thai girls.[/QUOTE]32 Girls! Kudos bro!

Where did you find the arabian chicks? What was their price? Performance? Which hotel was B1200 with no joiner fee and coffee vend?

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1297508]Which discos? What age range are your girls?[/QUOTE]All discos. (Lucifer, Walking Street, Insomnia, Mixx, Marine, Flexx, etc.). All age ranges. Standard price is 1000. Sometimes you get ouliers like girls coming from BKK for the weekend or girls who have been spoiled by guys who like to give more, but tell those no thanks and step to the next one.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1297557]All discos. (Lucifer, Walking Street, Insomnia, Mixx, Marine, Flexx, etc.). All age ranges. Standard price is 1000. Sometimes you get ouliers like girls coming from BKK for the weekend or girls who have been spoiled by guys who like to give more, but tell those no thanks and step to the next one.[/QUOTE]Marine disco is old now and does not get going to after 2am. Insomnia is okay but I avoid after some of the violent attacks by their door staff on foreigners. If you have a problem at Insomnia it will be open season on you and you will be assaulted by a group of doorstaff armed with weapons who will leave you severely injured. Indulge at your own risk. I know as I've seen it happen.

[QUOTE=Amex Spg;1296982]Warning: Do not read this report if you're easily bored or really negative / critical. This is all IMHO and YMMV.[/QUOTE]Amex Spg, can't thank you enough for taking the hours upon hours to put together such a thorough report. I also read your 2011 report months ago. Whereas veterans may skip past it because they have already been down there and what you write for them is probably "been there, done that", I can absolutely tell you that for a rookie like myself who will be going down for the first time in November, your report is a gold mine. Answered a lot of questions and I like how it seems that you were completely honest with sharing your mistakes as well.

Thanks for doing the exact opposite of an idiot like Harold444 (who quickly worked his way to my ignore button) and providing valuable information to the forum. Probably will be a week before I have the time to finish reading your report, but the bottom line is that I have the report saved and it will be helpful in my future travel.

NOVEMBER can't get here quick enough!

[QUOTE=The Windex Man; 1297618]Amex Spg, can't thank you enough for taking the hours upon hours to put together such a thorough report. I also read your 2011 report months ago. Whereas veterans may skip past it because they have already been down there and what you write for them is probably "been there, done that", I can absolutely tell you that for a rookie like myself who will be going down for the first time in November, your report is a gold mine. Answered a lot of questions and I like how it seems that you were completely honest with sharing your mistakes as well.

Thanks for doing the exact opposite of an idiot like Harold444 (who quickly worked his way to my ignore button) and providing valuable information to the forum. Probably will be a week before I have the time to finish reading your report, but the bottom line is that I have the report saved and it will be helpful in my future travel.

NOVEMBER can't get here quick enough![/QUOTE]Even for us old timers, it is refreshing good or bad to read these reports since we get bored and might want to travel the yellow brick road again. Never too old to travel down the road again.

LBM

I was in both Pattaya and Ko Samui last March. I had a problem in Samui, and I just now posted it in the Samui forum. But that forum has very few posts, so I decided I had a better chance of getting a response in the Pattaya forum. Besides, this is a problem that probably also happens in Pattaya, so you guys might have a good answer. Here is my post:

I was in Ko Samui last March. In both Chaweng and Lamai. I had a problem in Lamai and wanted to hear some opinions about what to do.

It was pretty late, close to 2AM when the bars close. I was at the big bar complex in Lamai near the boxing arena.

I was talking to a girl at one of the bars there and was asked by someone if I wanted to take her so I did. Looks were OK, slightly above average. Then I saw another girl there. Petite, slim and very pretty. Well above average. I asked if she wanted to go also and she said yes.

I barfined both of them. (It was about 2:00 so I should not have had to barfine them, but I did). So they both walked with me to my bungalow at the Lamai Inn 99.

In bed the pretty one grabbed my you know what pretty hard and was trying to make me come quick. I told her to stop. Then we just slightly bumped heads as I moved away from her. No big deal. It was almost nothing. But she acted like this was a major event and dashed to the bathroom with the other girl and they spoke in Thai. They both got dressed and were going to leave. The pretty one demanded money for both of them. I can't remember how much. Maybe the equivalent of about $30 or $40 US each, I can't remember now. I said no money until she screws me. She demanded the money. She said the money was for her time. I said no money until she screws me. Again she demanded the money with a look of anger and determination.

The other girl was quieter and seemed to go along with whatever the prettier girl wanted. I think the prettier one was going to be lousy in the sack no matter what, that she just wanted to get it over with. I got the feeling that the other one may have been OK if she were alone.

This prettier one kept demanding money with a look of anger and determination. It happened a few times. My impression was that she was not going to back down. I just got the feeling the girl might never leave without the money. I started getting worried that she may have an enforcer somewhere to go after me, so I finally paid them the money and they left.

Of course, I already had known that you should not take 2 girls together unless you are sure they are friends.
But I had already made that mistake and they were in my room. I am still not sure what I should have done.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1297557]All discos. (Lucifer, Walking Street, Insomnia, Mixx, Marine, Flexx, etc.). All age ranges. Standard price is 1000. Sometimes you get ouliers like girls coming from BKK for the weekend or girls who have been spoiled by guys who like to give more, but tell those no thanks and step to the next one.[/QUOTE]1000 baht sounds about right. I agreed to 1500 for three pops with a girl who claimed to be from Bangkok, mid-twenties, very attractive but not a stunner by gogo standards. Problem is Insomnia doesn't heat up until the gogos close (in fact, three dancers from Peppermint who had seen me there approached me; very friendly, but they held firm on their pricing and only wanted ST. Suppose I would have been spared the barfine, but whatever. They did say that the petite dancer was a virgin. I was unaware that any bar in Pattaya would bother to have such a staff dancing, and with a number. Not a good thing (don't want it to end up like Angeles City, where one must spend a good portion of his time ascertaining the "cherry girls" from the good time girls (though one can be creative with virgins if penetration is not your requirement.)

Don't quite know what the hell I was thinking, though, leaving the place at about 6 a. M. With the daylight already afire. Ended up falling asleep while muff diving; woke up all tucked in with a honey next to me. While the performance (prolly on both counts) was nice enough, she got a bit complainy about No. 3 (or, um, No. 2, depending on how you look at it.) Stupid me.

Probably the most memorable fuck so far was a lovely girl from Sweethearts on Walking St. Somewhat Chinese-looking, a little bigger bodied (but nice) than I would normally pick. But just outstanding in bed, really appreciates DATY. During one session we ended up climaxing together while she rode cowgirl. Niiiiiice. Did barfine her again, though one must be a butterfly in Patts.

Also enjoyed a nice, but ST session with a Baccara dancer (er, the only one who looked at this Westerner.) I whinged about the Japanese on the BKK board, more on the pricing issue, but I think they are disrupting the process by going with the "demure" deal whereas the girls don't look at customers. I have seen this sort of dancing at even many of the Patts clubs that aren't particularly luring the Japanese (Shark was one; I complained to mamasan that I, for one, would not call a girl over for a drink if she won't even look at me. A lovely was paraded next to my seat. I explained that I was leaving, so she departed. As I finished my drink I thought I'd play a game in which if she so much as gazed in my direction that I would give her a tip of 50 or 100 baht. The money remained in my pocket as I walked out.
Will be sad to leave Friday a. M. To return to Sex Prison USA, so must fit in as much as I can in the next two days. This town is insane, and I love joking with the massage girls (legit ones).

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1297760]1000 baht sounds about right. I agreed to 1500 for three pops with a girl who claimed to be from Bangkok, mid-twenties, very attractive but not a stunner by gogo standards. Problem is Insomnia doesn't heat up until the gogos close (in fact, three dancers from Peppermint who had seen me there approached me; very friendly, but they held firm on their pricing and only wanted ST. Suppose I would have been spared the barfine, but whatever. They did say that the petite dancer was a virgin.[/QUOTE]Are a lot of the gogo girls going to the discos after work now?

Are the young fresh hotties starting to go to the discos now or is it still the hardened older gals?

Ok Bionicman, my first encounter with black babe. I was walking from grace hotel towards Nana BTS, I took a left turn towards BTS, walked few more steps & all of a sudden I noticed few black girls wandering in that area. After rejecting first few ones I came across this beautiful black girl from kenya. She was around 21, just 5'5 tall & had a perfect potruding ass, cute face & beautiful smile. This was my first ever encounter with black girl. She asked for B1000 for ST but I managed to grab her for B700 + B300 for ST room. ST room was just on the 1st left turn before Nana BTS in that local arab market.

I was really going crazy by then but I didn't want to see her naked at once so I asked her to strip tease me which she did quite well. She wanted to give me covered BJ but I refused, rather I wanted to eat her down but I was little scared so I ended up with bit of a face rubbing & few kisses on her pussy but that was enough to excite her. I had a real hard on & couldn't wait so we started with she having a ride on me for a while & then soon I banged her pussy in a doggy position & then in missionary. I enjoy fast & real hard strokes, she came in just five minutes or may be pretended but this was my second pop of the day probably so I was not reaching climax that easily but she let me bang her in all positions until I was sweating all over & came like crazy in next 15 minutes. She was really sweet throughout but went little uncomfortable when I took bit longer then she might have expected. I tipped her with more B200. Thereafter, I met her lot of times on that same street & every time she asked for some money or to get her a beer. On my last day I again confronted her & we had a long chat at some late night mini-bar along the street in that area where I even tried to grab her pic but she turned down my request politely & didn't allow me at any cost. What a beautiful, innocent & polite girl she was!

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1297767]Are a lot of the gogo girls going to the discos after work now?

Are the young fresh hotties starting to go to the discos now or is it still the hardened older gals?[/QUOTE]Last time I was in baccarra, a sweet young girl, was telling me she liked going to Scratchdog. I had heard rumors this was a freelance joint, but in the times I went, I didn't get that impression, perhaps I was being blinded by looking for free girls.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1297910]Last time I was in baccarra, a sweet young girl, was telling me she liked going to Scratchdog. I had heard rumors this was a freelance joint, but in the times I went, I didn't get that impression, perhaps I was being blinded by looking for free girls.[/QUOTE]I and others had the impression that you never have been to Pattaya? If so, maybe you responded on the wrong thread?

LBM

I have been trying to ignore this guy h444. But it is getting a little to much. I will after this put him on ignore button. In the mean time I wonder how any one can offer opinios as it sounds like he has never been to where he usually speaks. I love his spelling Sin ga por, wimmen, young-un, prolly and enuff at her jobb. Now I know we all make mistakes because we type to fast, but this looks like a 5th grade education at best. Thus must discount evrything he says

Early one Sunday morning (I think it was the 27`th of May) I remember waking up with a Insomnialady by my side. Could somehow remember something about some anal sex on a diningtable but thats about it. I was still to drunk and uncapable of doing anything like a morning pop to her now. She asked if she could go home and I told her she was not my prisoner so she could just leave. I guided her to my pants and ask her to find some money. Out she went.

After sleeping some more I woke up horny like there was no tomorrow. Since I was now alone I had to provide me some morning / midday pussy as soon as hell. Took a quick shower and ran out of my Baywalkresident room to the Beach Road. Not much talent out this hour but I could spot one girl from a distance (across from Pizza Hut). She asked me if I would go with her and told her "hell yes, I realy want that". We agreed on anal (important to me) and 1000bht ST. I partly dragged her to my room. Don't know her name, age or anything. Only thing important to me was that she was doable and was a human beeing (checked / checked). To be nice I would give her 4 in looks.

In room she threw herself in the shower. Since I showered 10 minutes ago she said ok without me doing so. She put some lub in her anal and I stack my vikingdick inside her ass (with condom ofcourse). If I brag a bit I would say I could keep myself max 3 minutes while pumping her ass. I gave her the load in her face. Gave her 1000bht and off she went. Did not have time to analyze her performance. But pretty good payment for such a little effort from her side. Anyone quicker here in ISG?

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[QUOTE=Harold444;1297819]Trust me on this one. Its still the OLD hardened, droopy pussy types so popular in Pattaya. Why would a hot young 'un go there for action-she prolly had enuff dick at her day jobb![/QUOTE]Nobody here has a reason to trust you.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1297966]I and others had the impression that you never have been to Pattaya? If so, maybe you responded on the wrong thread?

LBM[/QUOTE]Apologies. Somehow I forgot I was in the Pattaya section. This bit of advice surely belongs in BKK

[QUOTE=Harold444;1297819]Trust me on this one. Its still the OLD hardened, droopy pussy types so popular in Pattaya. Why would a hot young 'un go there for action-she prolly had enuff dick at her day jobb![/QUOTE]Would others agree? If not, then describe your last score from the discos please.

[QUOTE=Saint Mint;1298080]Harold. 'You Dirty Old Man. ' Sorry. A quote from Steptoe and Son. An old British comedy classic basically about a couple of 'Dirty Old Men. ' One of them was called Harold. Now, every time I see your name, I just keep thinking of 'Dirty Old Man. ' Don't mean any offence.[/QUOTE]FWIW, In the USA, Sanford and Son with Redd Foxx was modeled on the Brit comedy.

"Sanford and Son is an American sitcom, based on the BBC's Steptoe and Son, that ran on the NBC television network from January 14, 1972, to March 25, 1977.". Wikipedia.

Slim

Bangkok Post Today.

New Law: Bounty Hunters are on the lookout for foreigners owning Thai land or Thai Property. Yes, another one aimed at killing of tourism and foreign business interests. The new law states bounty hunters will get 20% of the land or property market value. Amazing Thailand. Always just amazes me. See full story below.

Thai ombudsmen is drafting a carrot-and-stick law to protect Thai lands from illegal foreign nominee ownership, while developers and consultants suggest more legal transparency, a longer leasehold period and higher foreigner property taxes to prevent nominees.

Siracha: Think of the children.

Ombudsman Siracha Charoenpanij said the new law would comprise punishment for companies offering advice to foreigners on how to hold Thai property by disguising their legal transaction. This would include law firms and consultants.

The existing law enforced by the Lands Department requires foreigners found holding Thai property to transfer the plot to someone else or sell it within 180 days.

"The new law includes a reward to anyone providing information about foreigners owning land through nominees. They will get 20% of the market price of that piece of land as a reward after the plot is sold," he said at a seminar on foreign property ownership yesterday held by the Thai Appraisal Foundation.

The new law would also deport foreigners found guilty of holding land plots in Thailand illegally.

Ombudsmen will submit the draft to parliament this year, and Mr Siracha thinks there is backing for the bill.

"Anyone related to the property business may be unhappy with this bill as it will make the market rigid. But this law can help protect the land for the next generation of Thais," he said.

He pointed to a new scheme where foreigners disguise their ownership similar to multi-level marketing, where they are buying shares of an agricultural company that grows rice on large plots in the northeast.

"I've heard there was a broker buying land plots throughout a tambon in Surin to cultivate Hom Mali rice," he said."If such an act is not prevented, will there be any land left for our children?"

Suphin Mechuchep, managing director of property consultant Jones Lang LaSalle (JLL) (Thailand) , said any new law should not weaken Thailand's competitiveness. Yet too free a market would lead to a bubble, so balance is needed, she added.

"We should have transparency if we want foreigners to comply," she said.

She suggested clarity in regulations so foreigners could estimate their investment. Longer leasehold periods such as 50 or 90 years would lower their risk from the current 30 years, she added.

When laws are clarified, she accepted Thailand may charge higher taxes on foreigner property transactions than on those of Thais.

Atip Bijanonda, president of the construction and real estate business department of the Thai Chamber of Commerce, agreed there needs to be balance while still welcoming foreign investment.

He suggested the government set guidelines for foreigners, forbidding their purchase of land banks, farm land, property in border areas, and locations related to the country's security. Foreigners are permitted to buy land in industrial estates because they generate income and employment. Residential units near industrial estates are allowed for foreign investors or executives working there to bring their compatriots to visit Thailand.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1297819]Trust me on this one.[/QUOTE]I double checked my list of "People I Trust" and your name was nowhere to be found.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1296811]I was in Pattaya for the weekend, and wow it is such a nice time to be there.

Tourists are at their lowest, most bars and gogo's are going almost customer less.[/QUOTE]Is it usually this way all summer, or when do tourists start arriving?

[QUOTE=Andy7;1297844]Ok Bionicman, my first encounter with black babe. What a beautiful, innocent & polite girl she was![/QUOTE]Good report and well handled encounter.

What is the barfine at Baccara? I heard they raised it recently, true?

[QUOTE=Stakeout;1298314]Is it usually this way all summer, or when do tourists start arriving?[/QUOTE]Tourist "high" season normally starts in October.

Did a little counting and window shopping at 9-30 pm last night, on the number of women (including second type) who where looking for punters last night between Walking street arch and Pattaya Klang. 433 was the number. Very diverse in age and size very few pettite My type.

On a earlier (midday) hunt picked up a most agreeable girl attractive attentive and pleasant 500 st, works diamond gogo of a night.

433? Holy cow.

[QUOTE=Stakeout;1298316]What is the barfine at Baccara? I heard they raised it recently, true?[/QUOTE]I paid 1000 baht. Might be even higher before midnight. Sadly, this is the trend at the clubs that view their talent as being a cut above.

While I got some lashings from BKK posters over my bad experience with an old "friend" of a gogo dancer, and was excoriated to the point that I almost believed the bad press, my week in Pattaya was, overall, a very nice nine girls (many of them multiple sessions, including two repeat barfines of dancers). BUUUUUT.

Bit of a distressing situation at Beach Club Wednesday night after negotiations for a ST session with a girl (involving the be* of a mamasan and a faggy manager of some sort who sicced security on me, despite my efforts to reasonably get to the bottom of a confusing situation.

I suggest that ISGers seriously think of avoiding this place despite its attractive dancers. The problem you may encounter is ascertaining whether or which of them you will be getting sex from.

I ambled in about 11 pm Wednesday and immediately enjoyed the eye contact of a young lovely.

Her name is pronounced "won" or "one." Avoid at all costs.

But back to the past. The girl gives a sweet gaze. Naturally she came over and I bought her a ladydrink.

Her English is nonexistent to shit, which should have (in retrospect, quite fucking obvious) called me off in the first place. As she was quite touchy feely, deep French kissing (not that that means a whole lot in Patts or beyond) , seemed like a doll.

So I say Long time? Short time (she nods her head: "Short time, long time OK!"

I ask if she sucks cock. Does not register, so I do something that, as a heterosexual male I am loath to do, and that is to make the universal cock sucking gesture of tongue pointing out a cheek.

She gets it."OK, OK."

Then I ask if I can lick her pussy. Huh? So I point to her nether region and lick.

"OK."

She opens up her top to let me observe her small, but nicely shaped mini-rack, rub fingers against a nipple to get it erect, as well as her bikini bottom to see the shaved snatch.

So we're off to the races, but not before she is recalled to the stage. Another ladydrink is ordered, and I am on my fourth draught beer (fortunately the cheapest they have) before another bar girl comes over and tells me that "Won" is new.

A few minutes later I summon the mamasan. She chatters with the girl and informs me that she is a local girl and as she lives with her parents can only do short time. I sit on this for about three minutes and then decide that yes, that will be fine.

The girl is called back on stage and I wait another 15 minutes. Apparently there is some confusion that they do not know I have requested to barfine the girl. So mamasan THEN tells me that the girl is NOT available for sex, just for drinking and walking around.

WTF? I am going drinking and walking around with a girl who speaks no English? And what the hell is Pattaya becoming? Angeles City? At least the cherry girls have tags there.

Now one must realize that not all girls in Pattaya bars are available for sex (well, prolly only 97 percent of them!) and the girls have the right of refusal.

But I am complaining, as respectfully as one can to avoid mommy and faggy to not lose face. The girl sits there, seeming to be bewildered as I tell her that she can shuffle off. I tell mommy and the man that I had made many obvious gestures about what I was attempting to consummate, and that she was leading me on to run up drinks. I suggest that one of the drinks be removed from the tab (stupidly, of course, this being Thailand, or Asia at large). I am waiting for a disposition to this situation as mamasan and faggy-face are at the back of the bar, pointing at me. Foolishly, I get up from my seat and walk over to speak to them and repeat my request. (I had already paid for the drinks by this point.)

This is the point at which they summon most of the male staff to circle me, threateningly. I am pushed out of the house.

Sooo, the bottom line is to beware of who you are investing your ladydrink money and, just as important, time with in pursuing in the House of Beach Club / Baccara / Happy A Gogo and Peppermint (think I'm missing one or more in the chain). Also brings to mind the "virgin" that Peppermint has on staff per my meeting her and two fellow dancers from there at Insomnia.

If anyone in that company follows ISG, an explanation or clarification would be nice. I've visited Patts three times and have never before encountered this virgin bit (and certainly never have been led on with somewhat explicit acting out, like that with the girl).

The good news is that after being booted from that fuck of a club I walked fewer than 30 meters to What's Up? (that of the overpriced barfine fame) and found the love of my life (er, um, or about a day and a half) in the form of a dancer I ended up barfining that night and the next.

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1298571]I paid 1000 baht [at Baccara]. Might be even higher before midnight. Sadly, this is the trend at the clubs that view their talent as being a cut above.[/QUOTE]I have never found the kind of girls I like at Baccara Pat. I can't put my finger on the problem, but I just never could get going and have a real good time there. Funny because I really dig Baccara Cowboy. It is my favorite Go Go in LOS and I have good relations with 4 working girls there going back a few years.

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1298571]The good news is that after being booted from that fuck of a club [Beach Club] I walked fewer than 30 meters to What's Up? (that of the overpriced barfine fame) and found the love of my life (er, um, or about a day and a half) in the form of a dancer I ended up barfining that night and the next.[/QUOTE]Not that I give a fuck, but I took a lot of flak from certain quarters here on the forum for my report on What's Up. Truth is What's Up has the talent and it is a really good party bar unlike Baccara Pattaya IMHO. Just go there after 11pm and check it out. So if the barfine at Baccara Pat is really up to 1000bt, then it is not even close which is the better bar.

Good thing there are plenty of other worthy bars to check out in addition to the two above. On a typical night, I make the rounds at Heaven's Above, Sapphire, and SuperBabes before I go to What's Up. I am always looking for hot new girls.

Incidentally, I am going to be back in Pattaya in October. It think it will still be pretty slow and a buyer's market. I don't think high season kicks in for at least another month. Considering the state of the world economy, it amazes me how barfines and ST / LT rates can keep rising in Pat and BKK. It does not make sense. At some price point the bubble will burst.

How do you say "lick my arse" in Thai?

[QUOTE=Stakeout;1298697]How do you say "lick my arse" in Thai?[/QUOTE]

เลียตูดของฉัน

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1298717]เลียตูดของฉัน[/QUOTE]Copy and paste on your ass I believe-LOL

[QUOTE=Sammon;1298735]Copy and paste on your ass I believe-LOL[/QUOTE]Just type the Thai text in google and it will bring you to this:

[url]http://www.suckchannel.com/th/please-lick-my-ass-v17142[/url]

Beware of Beach Club.

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1298611]While I got some lashings from BKK posters over my bad experience with an old "friend" of a gogo dancer, and was excoriated to the point that I almost believed the bad press, my week in Pattaya was, overall, a very nice nine girls (many of them multiple sessions, including two repeat barfines of dancers). BUUUUUT (snip)[/QUOTE]Good story.

The moral is, for inexperienced Pattaya mongers on here, when things start to go south in a Thai nightclub just quickly pay your bill and move on.

WH: you are very, very lucky you did not get your ass kicked! There are lots of reports of beatings by bar staffs.

So she is DFKing you and saying she will suck cock (BTW next time ask if they smoke not suck dick LOL) and allow you to eat pussy and then suddenly is off limits? Something is rotten in Denmark. I'm thinking she may have gotten creeped put by your aggressive sexual requests. Even though these gals are hookers by trade, being more subtle and pretending to seduce them will earn you points in their eyes.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1298775]So she is DFKing you and saying she will suck cock (BTW next time ask if they smoke not suck dick LOL) and allow you to eat pussy and then suddenly is off limits? Something is rotten in Denmark. I'm thinking she may have gotten creeped put by your aggressive sexual requests. Even though these gals are hookers by trade, being more subtle and pretending to seduce them will earn you points in their eyes.[/QUOTE]Well, you may be correct to a degree, but do we really need to get all fucking Richard Gere? In Pattaya?

But nope, she was not "creeped out" or at all put off (and, as I mentioned, seemed to be bewildered when I started my discussions with mamasan and the male manager.) Indeed, I saw some of the other customers aggressively groping the girls and that is not my style. I hardly think that discussions of this nature are unusual in the line of trade they have chosen, and settling matters avoids disappointment later. It is entirely possible, when all is said and done, that the girl WAS willing to do all of those things laid out (she sure knew how to put on those doe-ey bedroom eyes with the loving glances, coulda been a wonderful act) and that the mamasan came up with the "for entertainment only" nonsense. This was a communication problem multiplied by the fucked up attitude of the bar managers. And also consider the peril that they may be putting such a girl in. Thailand is full of nasty farang, and Pattaya gets the dregs of them (present company excluded ;) and think of what could happen when a drunkard doesn't get what he thought he paid for, later in the hotel room?

In my case, back in the bar fault my reaction (which could have led to my beating over a few bucks) and not my negotiations.

I merely point out what is happening in some of the establishments, and in particular the clubs in the Baccara / Peppermint / Happy / Beach Club, etc. Organization. They seem to be bringing in MORE girls who are NOT available for sex. That is all well and good, in some eyes. The issue is in their presentation as being available for sex.

I discussed my plight with two dancers at What's Up? Who seemed amused that a midlife crisis punk, and not a young buck, would have raised a ruckus at a club. They agreed that there is not one girl working in Pattaya who does not know the score.

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1298571]I paid 1000 baht. Might be even higher before midnight. Sadly, this is the trend at the clubs that view their talent as being a cut above.[/QUOTE]How much did you pay your bacarra girl for her services?

What other gogos charge 1k for barfine?

[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1298822]Well, you may be correct to a degree, but do we really need to get all fucking Richard Gere? In Pattaya?

(...)

I merely point out what is happening in some of the establishments, and in particular the clubs in the Baccara / Peppermint / Happy / Beach Club, etc. Organization. They seem to be bringing in MORE girls who are NOT available for sex. That is all well and good, in some eyes. The issue is in their presentation as being available for sex.

I discussed my plight with two dancers at What's Up? Who seemed amused that a midlife crisis punk, and not a young buck, would have raised a ruckus at a club. They agreed that there is not one girl working in Pattaya who does not know the score.[/QUOTE]Perhaps she was under-age and the bar-management suddenly got a pang of conscience?

[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1298822]Well, you may be correct to a degree, but do we really need to get all fucking Richard Gere? In Pattaya?

(snip)

They agreed that there is not one girl working in Pattaya who does not know the score.[/QUOTE]A couple of observations on your latest story / dilemma.

1) Normally, some of the ladies in go-go bars are not expected or obligated to go with customers. Usually, they have monthly quotas and incentives for selling drinks (and often, but not always, bar fines). Filling the drink quota is important to bargirls as they make 30-40 baht for each drink they sell (and this pays for food and whiskey after work). In the end, however, they will always do what it takes to sell a drink.

2) There are many reasons go-go dancers prefer to stay in the bar rather than go out (bar fine) with a customer. Having their period. Don't like the customer (smell, skin color, attitude, stinginess). Sick. Shy. Etc. Etc. If the lady only speaks Thai or Isaan / Lao, expect to have some issues with her if you cannot communicate. Some ladies do not have IDs and cannot go to hotels (especially the ones from Lao).

3) There is a method of communicating with Thai people to solve problems that can be effective, but it is never confrontational. Management must "save face," above all, in front of their employees. You need to show respect and generosity to gain trust, then you fall back on the "good will" you have built if you need to be considered seriously. If you are American, (I think you are), this is very different than the way Americans solve their problems in public.

4) Not all bargirls know the score. Some of them are brand new, fresh off the bus from Isaan. Some are nice girls at heart. And, some are just dumb. But, they all will lie and tell you what they think you want to hear if you buy them a drink!

Again, in Pattaya, if things are not going the way you want them to, it's smart to just move on.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1298882]A couple of observations on your latest story / dilemma.

Again, in Pattaya, if things are not going the way you want them to, it's smart to just move on.[/QUOTE]All you newbies here should listen to uncle Fon Tok. He knows what he's talking about. He's experienced it all. He's the new Old Thai Hand on the Thai board. He's spot on. And he practices what he preaches.

Be prepared for disappointments and misunderstandings with the Thai girls. After all, this is Thailand.

Never argue with Thais. Never raise your voice to them. Never rebuke them. Never demand from them. Never cause them to lose face. Always be polite. Always be calm. Keep smiling. Don't let them know you are pissed.

You are a guest here in Thailand. Always remember that.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1298625]Considering the state of the world economy, it amazes me how barfines and ST / LT rates can keep rising in Pat and BKK. It does not make sense. At some price point the bubble will burst.[/QUOTE]Basically there is no shortage of punters willing to pay these high prices. Plenty of rich guys laying out over 2k ST and paying over 1k barfine. Thailand is more open to sex tourism today than its ever been, and it's been successful in attracting more punters from nations with strong currencies. Thais aren't good at much, but they sure sell pussy well!

[quote=amjeck; 1298864]how much did you pay your bacarra girl for her services?

what other gogos charge 1k for barfine?[/quote]hi amjeck,

the barfine was 1k. 2k for st. she had agreed to lt at 3k, but she mentioned that she has a hard time sleeping in the same bed as customers. said that she would stay if i was unhappy, but i am not a slave owner. she communicated this in a sincere manner, so no problem (though the agreement to lt was prolly just telling me what i wanted to hear so that i would do the barfine).

the session was nice; i found her to be a lovely girl and no complaints about the sex though cim was off-limits, not particularly unusual. now she said that she had not been barfined in four months, if that is to believed. (she is a little darker than the other girls, not at all a japanese-magnet, but in my opinion was the most beautiful of the lot. and her smile really sealed the deal.)

over all, i had pretty good experiences with the girls, and clubs, in patts, (no bar tab padding was experienced, for example) with the exception of the incident at beach club (and i take heed of the esteemed posters' comments regarding that situation; don't think she was ****, but certainlly befuddled). but misleading customers into believing they are available for sex when they are not is just damned bad policy, and fuck beach club for abetting that.

can see where a couple of the dancers i barfined could be big-time sponsor magnets with their superb gfe, which is what i like. niiiiiiice. when the dust settles i'll collect my thoughts and post some more. one of them has given me withdrawal symptoms, but i have just taken a dose of wan chai medicine for that.

[quote=wildhawk; 1299046]hi amjeck,

the barfine was 1k. 2k for st. she had agreed to lt at 3k, but she mentioned that she has a hard time sleeping in the same bed as customers. said that she would stay if i was unhappy, but i am not a slave owner. she communicated this in a sincere manner, so no problem (though the agreement to lt was prolly just telling me what i wanted to hear so that i would do the barfine).

the session was nice; i found her to be a lovely girl and no complaints about the sex though cim was off-limits, not particularly unusual. now she said that she had not been barfined in four months, if that is to believed. (she is a little darker than the other girls, not at all a japanese-magnet, but in my opinion was the most beautiful of the lot. and her smile really sealed the deal.)

over all, i had pretty good experiences with the girls, and clubs, in patts, (no bar tab padding was experienced, for example) with the exception of the incident at beach club (and i take heed of the esteemed posters' comments regarding that situation; don't think she was ****, but certainlly befuddled). but misleading customers into believing they are available for sex when they are not is just damned bad policy, and fuck beach club for abetting that.

can see where a couple of the dancers i barfined could be big-time sponsor magnets with their superb gfe, which is what i like. niiiiiiice. when the dust settles i'll collect my thoughts and post some more. one of them has given me withdrawal symptoms, but i have just taken a dose of wan chai medicine for that.[/quote]the wanchai medicine cures all!

Its been almost a week & still I'm not relieved of Thai hangover. It literally pokes me in my dreams. I must confess that it was my first ever mongering as well as solo trip to any country. I never enjoyed as much as I enjoyed alone. Meeting new people, specially girls, experiencing new culture & trying some delicious cuisine is just delightful. I must admit that I got addicted to mongering & now to regular traveling as well. Being a bachelor with relatively less responsibilities I'm really thinking to live as a solo traveler for the rest of my life. Though I'm a freelancer programmer with lot of free time of course but not wealthy enough to have such leisure trips every once in a while. I'll have to work real hard as I just don't want to touch my savings bank account for punting? I don't know may be I can, I'm addicted. God save me!

OK now there are lot of reports from all over the world on ISG but still they don't give you an instant idea about the prevailing sex scene in that region. I would really want explore some more countries like Thailand anywhere in the world. If you could pick your Top-5 (safe) mongering destinations then which all places would you pick? This time I really need to plan ahead.

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1299046]Can see where a couple of the dancers I barfined could be big-time sponsor magnets with their superb GFE, which is what I like. Niiiiiiice. When the dust settles I'll collect my thoughts and post some more. One of them has given me withdrawal symptoms, but I have just taken a dose of Wan Chai medicine for that.[/QUOTE]Leaving the LOS for another 6 to 9 months would be sad if not for stopping off in Macau and HKG and having a couple more rounds before heading home.

[QUOTE=Andy7;1299087]If you could pick your Top-5 (safe) mongering destinations then which all places would you pick? This time I really need to plan ahead.[/QUOTE]Top 5 In Asia or top 5 in Latin America, Andy? You have to be more explicit. I have fooled around in both hemispheres and I prefer Asia much more than SA. But you are young, so you should eventually visit to the top 20 destinations worldwide and decide for yourself. Half the fun of travel is discovering new places and the variety of different women that inhabit them.

Natty's Top 10 in Asia:

1. BKK.

2. Macau.

3. Pattaya.

4. AC.

5. Hong Kong.

But. In just a couple of months I will be trying Jakarta for the first time. My list may have to be updated.

6. Phnom Penh.

7. Manila.

8. Cebu City.

9. ?

10 ?

Top 5 countries.

1. PI.

2. Peru / Colombia (tie, I cheated, yeah)

3. Thailand, Pattaya, KK and BKK (where I have been).

4. CR.

5. DR.

If we are going by cites only.

1) AC.

2) Subic.

3) Manila.

4) Lima.

5) Medellin / Pattaya (tie)

Not flaming but just curious? Can one explain to me what type of girls the Japanese are looking for at the go go's? I'm a people watcher and with this information I would like to check it out if this is just a ignorant sterotype that many you white folks seem to come up like so many while I'm relaxing and having my whiskey over the rocks watching. I'm still not concluded my research that white folks are better looking, straighter noses and stronger, etc?

As for the barfine being raised at Bacarra to 1, 000 baht from 600, I can't confirm since I have been away for 3 weeks and forgot to ask when I was there Friday? But I will confirm for everyone when I get a chance? If in fact it has funny nothing has been posted that their sister clubs have done the same. Peppermit, Happy, Beach Club, and Cavern?

In regards to Thais knowing how to sell pussy? I think regarding Pattaya with the goal from the current Mayor is to make Pattaya a world class travel destination while tight roping to keep the mafia happy (which is his father) with the historical sex industry they just got lucky! When living here they screw up everything although they have good intention and sometimes even they surprise me they get lucky and get it right. Sure these economies are booming, Chinese and India for example but the majority come in tour groups and when visiting the go gos on WS. They come and go in groups and rarely will BF when with groups all they do is take up space and buy one or two drinks and then they move on. Indians not included. IMHO, they might drive up the price of Jetskis and boatrides but not the price of pussy? We only have the little head to thank for that? Sure I've heard of the bubble and I selfishly hope it comes soon before I get any older.

Last, Andy7, report is a good example from a individual that one can find what they need in Pattaya that good pussy is subjective to everyone and if you don't experience and write your reports good or bad first hand? Not what others who told you?

LBM

[QUOTE=Harold444;1299181]I've been to Macau. No way can it be better than my beloved Pattaya![/QUOTE]M not ready to compare Macau with Pattaya, considering how the peoples are switching on their mongering scenes.

Yes, there are some mongering (except sauna scene) activates available in Macau too, are as usually locals. Absolutely off the track, and not so easy to find by any outsiders. Macau is a gambling city, practiced with casinos. If someone flying with thick wallet and need to being pampered with sex, Saunas are available for them. IMHO Macau is not a mongering city for all.

On the other hand Pattaya is a real mongering city, absolutely serving to all. If any one likes to drive in his sex fantasies, Devil's Den is there on. Or any one can create own sex world using Penthouse too. Not only that, Pattaya is ready to accept who (s) are grounded with their thin wallet, beach road is ready to serve.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1299184]You must be a bad people watcher. LOL. One of the first things I noticed as a newcommer to Thailand was that farangs like them dark and ugly. LOL. Not to that extreme-but you get the point!

I still think its because dark and ugly is cheaper on the wallet, so farangs take what they can get. It works for the ugly girl and budget concious man.[/QUOTE]You are not only young and stupid but have a zero level of understanding the remark I made! If you had you wouldn't have responded with your remark. Unlock you room door so mom can send you to school. Is LOL the only word you know?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1299136]Not flaming but just curious? Can one explain to me what type of girls the Japanese are looking for at the go go's? I'm a people watcher and with this information I would like to check it out if this is just a ignorant sterotype that many you white folks seem to come up like so many while I'm relaxing and having my whiskey over the rocks watching. I'm still not concluded my research that white folks are better looking, straighter noses and stronger, etc?[/QUOTE]Japanese fuck all types of girls. I've seen them with complete dogs all the way up to total babes.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1299136]Sure these economies are booming, Chinese and India for example but the majority come in tour groups and when visiting the go gos on WS. They come and go in groups and rarely will BF when with groups all they do is take up space and buy one or two drinks and then they move on. Indians not included. IMHO, they might drive up the price of Jetskis and boatrides but not the price of pussy? We only have the little head to thank for that? Sure I've heard of the bubble and I selfishly hope it comes soon before I get any older.[/QUOTE]The majority may be in groups but there are plenty in the minority who are dishing out cash to buy pussy. I don't know how long you've been coming to Pattaya but in the last ten years the makeup of the MONGERS coming to Pattaya has indeed changed.

I am scheduled to land Monday night in BKK at 10:25pm. Should I spend the night in BKK or just grab the taxi to Pattaya. Will I still be able to get a lady in Pattaya when I arrive? I don't want to waste Monday night as I only have a until Thursday at the latest before getting back to HKG for work.

[QUOTE=Yhddude13;1299387]I am scheduled to land Monday night in BKK at 10:25pm. Should I spend the night in BKK or just grab the taxi to Pattaya. Will I still be able to get a lady in Pattaya when I arrive? I don't want to waste Monday night as I only have a until Thursday at the latest before getting back to HKG for work.[/QUOTE]Use this firm.

[url]http://www.pattayataxi.info/[/url]

You Should be in Pattaya within 1 1/2 hours easily and there plenty of ladies not taken

[quote=yhddude13;1299387]i am scheduled to land monday night in bkk at 10:25pm. should i spend the night in bkk or just grab the taxi to pattaya. will i still be able to get a lady in pattaya when i arrive? i don't want to waste monday night as i only have a until thursday at the latest before getting back to hkg for work.[/quote]mmmm, let's do some calculations:

land at 10:25 in bkk.

go to and through immigration: at least 30 minutes (10:55pm)

pick up your luggage and walk to taxi-stand: 10 minutes if you know the way (11:05pm)

get into your pre-booked taxi and drive to pattaya: 2 hours (1:05am) (could be a bit less since traffic will be easy)

check into your pre-booked hotel, shower and put on fresh clothes: 45 minutes (1:50am)

go to walking street or soi 6 (assuming your hotel is nearby) : 10 minutes (2 am)

find someone to come with you: 30 minutes (2:30am) and by this time you will have to settle for whatever hasn't been barfined yet in the first establishment you enter.

bring her to the hotel: 15 minutes (bargirls have shorter legs than you, so they walk slower; just hope she doesn't need anything from the 7/11 first) (2:45am)

check her in (could be as easy as walking past reception) ; undress; shower; peel her out of the towel and let the games begin: 20 minutes (3:05am)

i will leave the next steps to your imagination.

if you ask me, i would not do it this way: you will be fighting jet-lag and tiredness all the time.

if i had to do it, i will go to pattaya and then have a good night sleep. next morning, have breakfast, get a massage (with or without happy ending) in the morning to get rid of any stiffness due to the travel, have lunch, have some rest in the hotel, check out soi 6 in the late afternoon (maybe have one st session there) ; have dinner, get back to the hotel to freshen up and go to walking street around 10pm and check out all the usual places, picking up an lt companion someplace and retire to the hotel. same same on wednesday and depending on the time of your departure, end with a visit to devil's den on thursday and get thoroughly drained, ready for the flight back

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1299400]Mmmm, let's do some calculations:

If you ask me, I would not do it this way: you will be fighting jet-lag and tiredness all the time.

If I had to do it, I will go to Pattaya and then have a good night sleep. Next morning, have breakfast, get a massage (with or without happy ending) in the morning to get rid of any stiffness due to the travel, have lunch, have some rest in the hotel, check out Soi 6 in the late afternoon (maybe have one ST session there) ; have dinner, get back to the hotel to freshen up and go to Walking street around 10PM and check out all the usual places, picking up an LT companion someplace and retire to the hotel. Same same on Wednesday and depending on the time of your departure, end with a visit to Devil's Den on Thursday and get thoroughly drained, ready for the flight back[/QUOTE]This guy is coming from HKG. No real jet lag and tiredness to worry about.

9:00PM is my cut off time for Pattaya. Anytime I arrive at Suvarnabhumi later than 9pm I am going to stay in BKK at least for the night.

"Land at 10:25 in BKK.

Go to and through immigration: at least 30 minutes (10:55PM)

Pick up your luggage and walk to taxi-stand: 10 minutes if you know the way (11:05PM)"

Then taxi to a Sukumvit Hotel (11:40PM)

Check in. Gargle (shower later with your girl). Hit Nana or Cowboy (11:55PM)

Get a girl. Yada yada yada.

Leisurely check out of your hotel and take a taxi to Pattaya anytime next day in the early afternoon.

I am sure you are aware, but there is an earlier Air Asia flight from HKG arriving in BKK at 12:30PM in the afternoon. Unless I had business in HKG, that's the one I would take. And get this: Air Asia is going to using Don Mueng after October 1, 2012. They also are starting to develop Clark as their hub in the Philippines with flights to KL, Macau, Puerto Princessa out of Clark not MNL. That is OK by me. Cheap flights.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1299445]This guy is coming from HKG. No real jet lag and tiredness to worry about.[/QUOTE]He said he is going back to Hongkong but he could come from anywhere and anyhow HongKong to Bangkok is at least 2 and a half hours of flight. I get tired then.

[QUOTE=Yhddude13;1299387]I am scheduled to land Monday night in BKK at 10:25pm. Should I spend the night in BKK or just grab the taxi to Pattaya. Will I still be able to get a lady in Pattaya when I arrive? I don't want to waste Monday night as I only have a until Thursday at the latest before getting back to HKG for work.[/QUOTE]To Yhdude,

You can get girl as late as 4. Am just go to the disco around walking st disco is active all night until the morning most disco don't get going after 1. Am, most of the time I sleep until midnight then go out for some midnight snack.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1299308]Japanese fuck all types of girls. I've seen them with complete dogs all the way up to total babes.

The majority may be in groups but there are plenty in the minority who are dishing out cash to buy pussy. I don't know how long you've been coming to Pattaya but in the last ten years the makeup of the MONGERS coming to Pattaya has indeed changed.[/QUOTE]Based on your opinion if they fuck all types of girls then what is the big difference people are talking about? They are just like the white guys? Sure I've been here a long tme maybe too long? There are tourist everywhere and I do agree with you but groups that I see going to see sex shows are men and women. Recently I saw a large group with men and women come into a go go go take up a section of the go go, stay about a hour and only purchase one round of drinks. You don't have barfines etc. The men don't take or buy drinks for the dancers?

What is correct is you get groups of 4-8 men only, Japanese, Koreans, Chinese that come in barfine (ugly / stunners) that spend but certainly does the minority dishing out cash like water over compensate for the majority! Then there are guys like us? Last night at a go go on my left a Japanese on my right a white guy both smokers and both milking their happy hour drink, looking and then left. We mongers are more alike than we want to admit?

LBM

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1298571]I paid 1000 baht. Might be even higher before midnight. Sadly, this is the trend at the clubs that view their talent as being a cut above.[/QUOTE]Don't know why you paid 1000 baht, there are times like holidays Christmas season that the barfine is 1000 baht. But last night I was at Bacarra and spoke to two drink servers who have worked there for a long time, regarding the barfine. They told me that the barfine is 600 baht and confirm once again by a few girls that I got a few cheap feels during my short visit.

LBM

Prior to my retirement I was using Northwest which is Delta now but their flight arriving to the airport arrived just before midnight. During this time never had a problem going thru immigration Bang just like that I was in the taxi going into Bangkok by staying at Nana, but 01:30am I was already in the hunt.

For years I used exclusively Eva which arrives around 11:00/11:30am, the last two years it has been nightmare arriving this time because the wait in immigration was at least a hour. Everyone jocking to see which line is shorter or how fast one might be moving. On Friday, I arrived rushing to get to Immigration expecting the same but went up the ramp to find a major change. They had roped off the entired area to two entrance dividing the area into two section for foriegn travelers with no jocking. My wait was less than 10 minutes which allow me to catch the Bell bus leaving at 12:00 noon. Surprise? Hope it stays that way?

LBM

What is with the overgeneralizations and stereotyping? White this, Japanese that? All the research on personality shows that there is FAR more intra group differences than inter group differences.

In other words, stop with the white this and Japanese that-it just comes across as foolish.

[QUOTE=Psychman; 1299505]What is with the overgeneralizations and stereotyping? White this, Japanese that? All the research on personality shows that there is FAR more intra group differences than inter group differences.

In other words, stop with the white this and Japanese that-it just comes across as foolish.[/QUOTE]Where have you been? Stereotyping, generalizations and race bashing is trendy on this board. When the Indians are getting it for being frugal or for their pungent aroma the ugly Russians are for bringing in their families, like anyone here has the right to say who can and can't enter. The Arabs and blacks or Ne grows as the resident clown calls them get pounded too but the Japanese haters are at the top of the list. Hell, even the Thais get slammed for being Thai. Foolish or not the door has been open on this stuff for years, there's no stopping it now.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1299480]Based on your opinion if they fuck all types of girls then what is the big difference people are talking about? They are just like the white guys?[/QUOTE]They may gravitate more towards the AV model types, but there aren't a lot of these types so they pretty much take what they can get.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1299480]What is correct is you get groups of 4-8 men only, Japanese, Koreans, Chinese that come in barfine (ugly / stunners) that spend but certainly does the minority dishing out cash like water over compensate for the majority! Then there are guys like us? Last night at a go go on my left a Japanese on my right a white guy both smokers and both milking their happy hour drink, looking and then left. We mongers are more alike than we want to admit?[/QUOTE]Your question is interesting, and maybe others can add their views. From my research these 'minorities' pay whatever the girl quotes (2k ST) them and they do spend quite a bit in the bars.

On a side note, the other day I watched them load up the truck with empty beer crates from baccarra. I asked the guy loading the truck up with the bottles how many days that was and he said it was from Fri and Sat. I roughly counted about 1200 empty bottles of beer and winecoolers. If you do the math, you will see that baccarra is doing quite well.

[QUOTE=Psychman; 1299505]What is with the overgeneralizations and stereotyping? White this, Japanese that? All the research on personality shows that there is FAR more intra group differences than inter group differences.

In other words, stop with the white this and Japanese that-it just comes across as foolish.[/QUOTE]Psychman,

If you haven't woken up and spell the coffee yet. A large majority of what is posted is a overgeneralization and sterotyping. While you are researching please go and RTFF any thread you will see that to be correct.

Would you like me to use the word "Jap" like so many others? How would you like me to use the word White. Do I need to be more specific to race when it comes to whites. While sitting in a go go how is one to know if he is a American, European etc. Please enlighten me as to how you would do it? So normally one generalize!

What kills me is most likely your are white and self-rightess and now is jumping in because the word white is being used. Would you feel better if I used " Cracker " for you? I certainly would use a specific race if I knew it idiot! When you were posting your two hundred or so reports on girls in Thailand did you specify as to where these girls are from. Thai / Los Thai / Cambodian, Thai Chinese, no you generalized!

I tell what is foolish your remarks if you are so sensitive next time come to the defense of others instead of only when the word white is used!

LBM

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1299590]They may gravitate more towards the AV model types, but there aren't a lot of these types so they pretty much take what they can get.

Your question is interesting, and maybe others can add their views. From my research these 'minorities' pay whatever the girl quotes (2k ST) them and they do spend quite a bit in the bars.

On a side note, the other day I watched them load up the truck with empty beer crates from baccarra. I asked the guy loading the truck up with the bottles how many days that was and he said it was from Fri and Sat. I roughly counted about 1200 empty bottles of beer and winecoolers. If you do the math, you will see that baccarra is doing quite well.[/QUOTE]Amjeck,

No doubt, I think Bac does make a killing on drinks and most likely Happy which both seem pack all the time. This is low season and even like last night which I consider slow would have more customers than some all week? I don't see beer being drank by Asians as much as I do Farangs, winecoolers? I myself drink Sangsome and might move to Tonic water if I haven't eaten much? Based on what the basic salaries are for the girls working and I was told a month ago by a few girls that they have a quote of 60 drinks per month. If they don't reach that they have make up the difference. Makes me wonder how some of the not so slim or pretty make it? Some I have seen working there for a long time?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1299599]Amjeck,

NBased on what the basic salaries are for the girls working and I was told a month ago by a few girls that they have a quote of 60 drinks per month. If they don't reach that they have make up the difference. Makes me wonder how some of the not so slim or pretty make it? Some I have seen working there for a long time?

LBM[/QUOTE]I'm guessing there's more than a few chubby chasers and guys who don't mind hanging out with ugly girls, they're lonely and want company with someone who has more to offer on the inside than outside. Actually, I know for a fact that there's quite a few fellas out there walking around with ugly ones. And they probably don't have the same quota as hot girls, they might even be there because they're friends with the pretty girls and make them feel good because if there's too many pretty girls, cat fights are bound too happen, just like you throw a bunch of alpha males in the same room, sooner or later they going to throw down. You throw in a few clowns to ease the tension. So to speak. That's my theory anyways.

Thanks Psychman & Natty Bumpo for your lists. Well so far in Asia PI, Thailand, Cambodia; in SA; Colombia, Peru; In CA; Costa Rica & in Caribbean; Dominican Republic getting all votes. Will someone like to add their picks to the list ?

In other forums I've seen people prefer 'Buenos Aires' over Colombia and they say slightly more expensive its more safer place to be in than Colombia. Is it so?

[QUOTE=Reefski; 1299875]There you go PM, whining about race again. I had wondered why you weren't on the Colombia boards anymore. But I'm sure BKK is safer for you than Medellin, especially considering your personality.

Reef.[/QUOTE]I'm not on the Medellin board because you and your subhuman crony seem to monopolize it, and no good info is provided. Most who really know MDE don't post there. Trust me, I do fine in MDE- you know nothing about me or my personality, but enjoy making foolish know it all remarks :). I am often in MDE for work and play- but won't ever see the likes of you there. BTW, a buddy of mine met you once in MDE- said you might have the worst Spanish accent of all time; what a tool.

[QUOTE=Reefski; 1299883]God help me, I love winding you up. I shouldn't do it but Jesus it's fun. Took you all of 15 minutes to take the bait.

And your little dig about my Spanish is just another desperate stab in the dark. I can count the people on one hand who have meet me on this site and I guarantee that you aren't friends with any of them. It is flattering to know though that I'm the subject of your conversations when you're in Medellin.

Have fun with the LB's. Your pal, Reef.[/QUOTE]God are you arrogant- you have no effect on me- I just love fucking with you. And someone did meet you- they contacted me after they say your last round of barbs. Thank god for people like you; without such I would have to get a real job.

Psychman, Reefski,

Both of you suck. Get lost!

We have enough own problem cases here. We don't need you idiots here.

Get back to South America.


Giotto

Is photo taking ok in pattaya? I like to take pics but do the girls frown upon this? I found that street vendors and other civilians are keen to having their pic taken.. but often times not bar girls or freelancers.. I guess they are afraid that their sponsors or family or somchai back home will see their pic surface on the net... Then again, on youtube theres the thaifreek or whatever his name is a bald German guy who shows off all his hot girls to the world..

[quote=harold444;1299556]so where do the pattaya kneegrows hang out! are they relegated to one spot like in bangkok? if a hot bkk kneegrow goes for 700 what does a hot pattaya kneegrow go for? buck fifftee and a chicken wing?[/quote]nope. jerry curl juice and a tall glass of grape kool aid. take what i said with a grain of salt though. i wouldn't want to be accused of being racist hehe

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1299916]Is photo taking ok in pattaya? I like to take pics but do the girls frown upon this? I found that street vendors and other civilians are keen to having their pic taken. but often times not bar girls or freelancers. I guess they are afraid that their sponsors or family or somchai back home will see their pic surface on the net. Then again, on youtube theres the thaifreek or whatever his name is a bald German guy who shows off all his hot girls to the world.[/QUOTE]No problem for dressed pictures. For nude pics, many girls won't agree.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1299915]Psychman, Reefski,

Both of you suck. Get lost!

We have enough own problem cases here. We don't need you idiots here.

Get back to South America.

Giotto[/QUOTE]You have your forum why don't you post your crap in there and give us a break!

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1299934]Not only are they afraid their face will show up on sex sites they know it is a real threat.

No sex shots, all photos are decent but still on a sex site.[/QUOTE]I am addressing this to Giotto as I know he cares for: maybe we have a solution. Someone please take a picture of Htriplefour and post it on [url]www.meidiot.org[/url] We have good hopes somebody willtake him as an idiot and remove the PC keyboard from his hands, or unplug is ADSL line. No need to have the picture with him posing specifically. Can be a decent picture but still on an "idiot site". Maybe it works

[QUOTE=PattayaTony;1300118]You have your forum why don't you post your crap in there and give us a break![/QUOTE]LOL.

Why should I?

The next problem case. Thanks for enlightening us.


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1299931].

Mr G don't you think as a person who promotes his buznit here you should be nice to all. LOL. Those Colombians could have been a new source of business.[/QUOTE]No, Mr. Kindergarten,

What sucks [b]sucks[/b]! Whether business for Livingstone's Lodge or not. Does not really matter. You e. G. Suck, and you will be promoted to the Hall of Shame soon. Don't worry!

In case of those Colombians - its possible that I misunderstood their posts, and that they are really good buddies. In this case - I apologize! I then made a mistake. Nevertheless - you massively suck!


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1300149]No, Mr. Kindergarten,

What sucks [b]sucks[/b]! Whether business for Livingstone's Lodge or not. Does not really matter. You e. G. Suck, and you will be promoted to the Hall of Shame soon. Don't worry!

In case of those Colombians. Its possible that I misunderstood their posts, and that they are really good buddies. In this case. I apologize! I then made a mistake. Nevertheless. You massively suck!

Giotto.

[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]They are definitely NOT really good buddies, I can vouch for that!

According to Giotto, It seems that everybody SUCKS in this thread! LOL

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver;1300152]It seems that everybody SUCKS in this thread! LOL[/QUOTE]The next question is then "with" or BB?

[QUOTE=Reefski; 1300180]Very, very true Heat. I need to be clearer in my future insults to Psychboy.

Careful with Giotto or else you will be banned from his cyber kingdom as well. Apparently being told you SUCK is now a devastating insult in LOS. I thought we wore that one out in 8th grade. Hahahaha.

Reef.[/QUOTE]Not knowing you I definitely side with you. I got two PM, from Psychboy as you call him. From those messages I can see why you call him boy instead of a man. I read the majority of his post and the more I read he's just another guy trying to impress others and just might be good friends with H444? They both have a lot in common?

LBM

We all love it even if we not admit it openly.

[QUOTE=Delta Pilot1; 1300202]Pay no mind to the chain smoking Giotto, as he is only posting on outside of his own forum, because his forum is beyond dead, other than a select few of his buddies. To know who Giotto is just read the quality of his postings on his thread, as that says all you will need to know.[/QUOTE]LOL,

Yep, I am the bad guy, I never posted anything useful.

But. I STOPPED SMOKING :) .


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]

[QUOTE=Giotto;1300355]I STOPPED SMOKING :) Giotto[/QUOTE]Smartist thing you ever did.

I promise you'll never regret it.

Congratulations!

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1300355]LOL,

Yep, I am the bad guy, I never posted anything useful.

But. I STOPPED SMOKING. .

Giotto.

[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]You stopped Smoking CIGARETTES! But you're still smoking sausages, you Faggot

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1300421]You stopped Smoking CIGARETTES! But you're still smoking sausages, you Faggot[/QUOTE]Sorry, guys,

I think you all know about Froggies mental problems.

Giotto.

PS: First those South-Americans invade the Pattaya thread and fill it up with nonsense, and now we do! That sucks :) !

[QUOTE=Reefski; 1300180].

Careful with Giotto or else you will be banned from his cyber kingdom as well. Apparently being told you SUCK is now a devastating insult in LOS. I thought we wore that one out in 8th grade. Hahahaha.[/QUOTE]Reefski,

Don't worry. I ban nobody! You can proceed playing around - until the thread will suddenly be cleaned up, and all your highly intellectual work will disappear. So - better backup your important reports somewhere :) ...

I thought the 8th grade "sucking" language was appropriate to address the childish provocations here. But obviously the 8th grade language was still too difficult to understand for you guys. Next time I will try it with baby language.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1300121]I am addressing this to Giotto as I know he cares for: maybe we have a solution. Someone please take a picture of Htriplefour and post it on.

[url]www.meidiot.org[/url]

We have good hopes somebody willtake him as an idiot and remove the PC keyboard from his hands, or unplug is ADSL line. No need to have the picture with him posing specifically. Can be a decent picture but still on an "idiot site". Maybe it works[/QUOTE]That website doesn't open. So I asked my friend at immigration to get me his passport photo, which I attached.

I believe that is the photo shopped picture.

[QUOTE=Delta Pilot1; 1300462]Must be referring to yourself, as once again, look no further than your "Giotto forum", as the mentality and intelligence you show on it, speaks for itself, which is why only a few of your cronies participate on it, which brings you to the main forum, where you can actually have a viewership to read your drivel.

Actually, Psychoboy who has conspicuously disappeared would be a perfect fit for your forum. You might want to consider in-boxing him an invitation to participate on it. You know the cliche "birds of feather flock" would be very appropriate in this case.[/QUOTE]Just choosing to stay out of the foolishness that I let myself get dragged into. Not sure why you feel the need to insult me, but that is your choice. Learning the value of blocking members- a great feature that I have never taken advantage of.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Psychman; 1300510]Learning the value of blocking members- a great feature that I have never taken advantage of.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Then why don't you take advantage of that? Then you could win every argument. You could bloviate, defame characters say as you will and never have to worry about confrontantions nor rebuttals. It would be a wet dream for you! Jejejejeje LOL.

Me? I think the "ignore list" is for pussies for all the above mentioned reasons!

[QUOTE=Reefski;1300528]Me, I'll go back to banging hot chicas like this one I tore up over the weekend. Adios boys.Reef.[/QUOTE]Hey Reefski, that is a real nice looking girl you just posted. Why the fuck didn't you introduce yourself to the forum with something relevant and hot like that instead of barging in on us with this dumb ass cat fight with that other guy? After shagging a girl like this one all night, I would be feeling too good and too satisfied to give a damn about some other asshole on the internet.

By the way, I like Columbia. I spent a good deal of time there in the day. They have some very hot women, no question about it, but I got tired of the strife and rip offs. Seems like everybody there is trying to get something over on everybody else. A real lot of BS. LOS is much nicer. IMHO. Anyway, Adios.

[QUOTE=Delta Pilot1; 1300462]Must be referring to yourself, as once again, ...[/QUOTE]Delta Pilot1,

No idea what beef you have with me, but I found one of your numerous reports (this one is from 10-26-2010 (!)) that really fits in this case:

[QUOTE=Delta Pilot1;1084846]Some people are real idiots, and they never cease to amaze me. I hope no one responds to the post that I am referring to, as it does not deserve a response, and it is not to diffucult to see what post I am referring to.[/QUOTE]All the best to you.


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1300560]Delta Pilot1,

No idea what beef you have with me, but I found one of your numerous reports (this one is from 10-26-2010 (!) that really fits in this case:

All the best to you.

Giotto.

[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]I was wondering myself, he's got like 13 post yet seem to have a personal hard on for you? I don't get it maybe he stay at your place and you forgot to change the sheets?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1300596]I was wondering myself, he's got like 13 post yet seem to have a personal hard on for you? I don't get it maybe he stay at your place and you forgot to change the sheets? LBM[/QUOTE]Maybe he choked on a sausage?

[QUOTE=Psychman; 1300510]Just choosing to stay out of the foolishness that I let myself get dragged into. Not sure why you feel the need to insult me, but that is your choice. Learning the value of blocking members- a great feature that I have never taken advantage of.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]" Just choosing to stay out of the foolishness that I let myself get dragged into "

You got no one to blame but yourself! You dragged yourself into this foolishness and made yourself look like a fool by trying to be right all the time and needing to have the last say. Reefski seem to have got your number and most likely so does everyone else on the DR forum so you decided to foolishly drag yourself into another forum in the middle of a conversation not knowing the details. Please feel free to take advantage of blocking me as noted by another poster "your'e a pussy"

ADIOS BANDAHO!

[QUOTE=Delta Pilot1;1300571]No beef what so ever Giotto, just did not like the way you chose to attack Reefski or MiamiHeatLuver, especially so, when you post the drivel that you do, or tell them what board they can post on like you did. You post more childish and stupid shit than any other poster that I am aware of with all your talk about dics.[/QUOTE]DP1,

You might not know it but that seems like a beef to me? It's been awhile your'e not still mad that Delta merge with Northwest are you?

LBM

Why do you not get a room and fuck the shit out of each other, so we can all be friends then.

Too little pussy, too little money, too little good looking for free pussy, too old, fat and ugly? Or what's the problem =)

[QUOTE=Harold444;1300610]What puzzles me is why some take internet forums so serious! Especially a sex forum.[/QUOTE]It is because they have amounted to absolutely nothing in the real world and they come on here and try to be the boss.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1300769]It is because they have amounted to absolutely nothing in the real world and they come on here and try to be the boss.[/QUOTE]You are totally Spot On with that one Boss!

Been away from the board awile, but now since I will be going back to Thailand in a few months decided to check back in.

Is this all there is, flaming back and forth. Not that anyone cares but I probably won't even bother renewing.

Jackson, is this what we are paying for?

Giotto, don't you have banning powers here? The time to use them on these guys was 3 days ago.

Hi guys,

Have you used either of these? Are they good places to stay?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1301005]Giotto, don't you have banning powers here? The time to use them on these guys was 3 days ago.[/QUOTE]Chill Out,

No. I don't have banning power and I don't want to have banning power. I try to make people switch on their brains.

Sometimes it works. Sometimes not. Sometimes I make mistakes.

But in general - I have a good friend who has banning power :) ! Sometimes I talk to him, and sometimes not. Sometimes he bans, sometimes he cleans up, sometimes he warns - sometimes he undertakes nothing. He is [b]the boss[/b].

It's simple ... [b]Sometimes. [/b]And you don't even need to be a boss :) .


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]

[QUOTE=Reefski; 1300894]Yeah, I guess you're right Natty. Psych won't post anymore on the Colombia boards so I took our little bi*tch squabble over here. As a way of apologizing here's a couple more pics of my new favorite. (well, one of my favorites) When you get back to Medellin I'll introduce you.

Reef.[/QUOTE]Reefski,

Good post. Peace! Leave the shit in Columbia (please!). Bring those ladies over here :) .


Giotto

[QUOTE=Delta Pilot1;1300878]Henry grow some balls and quit your whining like a little kid. You remind me of a little kid who runs to there mother whining and saying "mommy so and so did this, or so and so did that".[/QUOTE]Delta Pilot1,

Grow some brain - and go home, please. Or - add something to the Pattaya forum, as I expect you to be in Thailand right now. Correct? Then - we will welcome your field report.

[QUOTE=Delta Pilot1;1300695]No not at all LBM. My only beef if you want to call it that, was the way Giotto attacked Reefski and MiamiHeatLuver when he himself is posting the childish bullshit that he does most of the time. .[/QUOTE]OK, I apologize for the stupid childish bullshit I post most of the time, I am at the end of my Thaisation process - psychologically a lost case. [b]But I did NOT attack MiamiHeatLuver!!![/b] Get your facts straight, my friend, before you attack somebody! And then --- go home :) !


Giotto

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1300995][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was redacted or deleted to remove sections of the report that were [u]largely argumentative[/u]. Please read the Forum FAQ and the Forum's Posting Guidelines for more information. [i]Thank You! [/i][/blue][/QUOTE]457, post 90% could be contrued as Argumentative = Rule number one! Serial Antagonist? Recently deleted 3 post for being " largely argumentative " obviously he can't or won't read the Forum posting guidellines? One has to ask what does it take?

LBM

[QUOTE=Simon36; 1301027]Hi guys,

Have you used either of these? Are they good places to stay?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Yes, but it depends on what you're looking for in a hotel.

Well I am going to make another great trip to the lovely land of smiles. Wonder if this one is going to be on par with the last trip! Sampled these ladies las time may see one or two again but I have an agenda set up on who's next. The 17th can't come fast enough!

[quote=simon36]have you used either of these? are they good places to stay?[/quote]i have not stayed at the august suites. i have stayed at the page 10 hotel, in suite 808.

the location is ideal. you can walk to beach road very easily, especially now that construction on soi 10 has been completed. from there you can catch the baht bus headed south to walking street. if you prefer the up-and-coming punter locations on soi lk metro and soi buakaow, you can walk there easily as well. and if soi 6 is calling your name, the baht bus headed north on second road is steps away. all usual amenities (7-11, laundry, restaurants, atms, money exchange) are close by. being near the food stalls and night market on soi buakaow is very handy when you want to grab a quick cheap bite.

the page 10 is a newer hotel with a hip contemporary vibe. it is patronized by tourists and families who are in pattaya for the standard beach holiday. but the place is girl friendly and i never had any trouble bringing a girl up to my room. no joiner fee. in my suite the mattress was rather hard and storage was rather limited. the rooftop pool area is very nice. there is even a little cafe where you can get drinks or snacks and a shaded area with table and chairs. i enjoyed using the wi-fi up there to get some work done in the afternoon. water pressure in the shower was ok, but i would have liked hotter water. wi-fi wasn't blazing fast, but it was reliable.

the air conditioning was connected to the card key, so it was off whenever i was out of the room. when i came back the room was rather hot and stuffy and i had to wait for it to cool down. moreover, the thermostat operated differently to most hotels. you have three choice for the fan speed: low, medium and high. there is no "automatic" setting. if u-turn on the air conditioning, the fan is always running. this is not good. first, the fan is really loud. so loud that you can't hear the television, play music or talk on the phone (even at the lowest setting). second, it is very difficult to achieve a comfortable temperature because the constantly-blowing fan makes the room too cold, even if you set the thermostat to, say. 26 degrees celsius. the only way to make it work is to manually turn the system on and off as required. this is a real pain in the neck. and when you're sleeping it's impossible. as the programmers say, it's not a bug, it's a "feature."

the main issue at the page 10 is noise. there is a beer bar complex at the southwest corner of second road and soi 10, and there are are two live bands every night. the first is at the corner, and the second is about 100 feet farther west along the south side of soi 10. in my opinion, it's the first one that's the bigger problem. the volume on their speakers is far far too loud for the small audience. even on a good night the band is playing to 50 people. it's a mystery why they need a "spinal tap 11" setting on the amps. there are two singers, a man and a woman. the man is worse is this regard. i theorize his hearing has been damaged by years of standing on front of over-cranked amps and he needs to have the volume jacked up so he can hear himself.

unfortunately, the other band, not be outdone, feels compelled to crank the volume on their equipment. the result is a "battle of the bands" taking place about 150 feet from the front door of the page 10. despite the double sliding glass doors and heavy drapes you're going to be annoyed by this racket until the beer bar complex calls it quits at 3:00 am.

i'm told the rooms on the north side of the page 10 hotel, facing the mall, are not as noisy. but i can't confirm that personally. i can report that even up on the eighth floor, even with double sliding glass doors and heavy drapes, the noise was irritating. if you're a light sleeper this might be an issue.

bunky

Bunky, many thanks for the review, it's much appreciated. Page 10 sounds great apart from the noise, I am a light sleeper and the noise would [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off. Ok, I do not come to Pattaya to go to bed early but for the nights when you do need some sleep that is no good. Especially on the last night, as I have a lunch time flight I need to be getting up at 7am so I may have to rule out Page 10.

Thanks again, appreciate the review.

i went into this place to get checked. it is 200 b to see the doctor and get [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] test / swab.

the receptionist said 150 people a day come in for std check.

so that is over 50, 000 people a year going just to this one clinic for std.

[QUOTE=Spoonieg25;1301357]Well I am going to make another great trip to the lovely land of smiles. Wonder if this one is going to be on par with the last trip! Sampled these ladies las time may see one or two again but I have an agenda set up on who's next. The 17th can't come fast enough![/QUOTE]Where did you find the black chick and where is she from

[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1301530]Where did you find the black chick and where is she from[/QUOTE]I believe I [b]may[/b] Have chatted to this girl briefly, some 3 weeks back in Walking st, sat at an outdoor bar, she quote me 1500b ST, I walked off.

Noddy. She is from Nigeria. Not to be recommended. She wanted from me 2000 bhat. I walked also away.

Carlos.

Quote Originally Posted by Gin And Tonic [View Original Post]

Where did you find the black chick and where is she from.

I believe I may Have chatted to this girl briefly, some 3 weeks back in Walking st, sat at an outdoor bar, she quote me 1500b ST, I walked off.

[QUOTE=Carlos Primeros; 1301661]Noddy. She is from Nigeria. Not to be recommended. She wanted from me 2000 bhat. I walked also away.

Carlos.

Quote Originally Posted by Gin And Tonic [View Original Post]

Where did you find the black chick and where is she from.

I believe I may Have chatted to this girl briefly, some 3 weeks back in Walking st, sat at an outdoor bar, she quote me 1500b ST, I walked off.[/QUOTE]Had fun with 2 from Madagascar during high season, found in bar on 2nd road, wanted ST so they could go to Mixx club afterwards

[quote=luvpuss; 1301511]i went into this place to get checked. it is 200 b to see the doctor and get [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] test / swab.

the receptionist said 150 people a day come in for std check.

so that is over 50, 000 people a year going just to this one clinic for std.[/quote]does this type of test, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] . swab, cover hiv

[QUOTE=Stakeout;1298316]What is the barfine at Baccara? I heard they raised it recently, true?[/QUOTE]I bar fined gasl there 3 times last week. Each time it was 600 Baht.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Bacarra, BARFINE confirm 600 baht, not 1000 noted by another poster. Why he paid 1000 is uncertain?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1301868]Bacarra, BARFINE confirm 600 baht, not 1000 noted by another poster. Why he paid 1000 is uncertain?

LBM[/QUOTE]Hmmm, and thanks for the info, and this is a major point of this board, to keep it real on pricing, and I regret overpaying. I cannot do anything about the Japanese throwing money around, but I can do my part to tamp down the price creep.

It's a little too late for me as I guess I got plumb ripped-off. (The Baccara girl was great, though.) Funny how that 1000 baht appeared on the bill. Perhaps I was given a troll surcharge? Ah well. I do wonder whether Baccara drops the barfine to 600 after a certain hour, like midnight or 1 a.m. (came across this at a few of the bars). At What's Up? I am told to barfine a girl a second day (without her checking in at the "job") costs 2000 baht.

I'd rest better if that extra 12 USD went for bricks for a girl's outhouse in Isaan, but instead it's going into the pockets of the insidious motherfuckers who run that string of bars (which I will make pains to avoid, not so hard as there is PLENTY of pussy in Patts). Reference my report on Beach Club, which is presenting girls not available for barfines / sex as ones who are so as to run up bar tabs to unwitting customers.

Wildhawk,

Not sure why you pay that amount but you shouldn't worry too much about keeping the price down. If it was on the bill then the girl wasn't trying to dig you? You might want to think back when it happen and whether it might have been some type of holiday. Bac. Normally raise their barfine to a 1000 on certainly holidays that they don't close to keep the girls from leaving. There are times when the girl barfines herself for personal reasons which will cost her 1000 baht. If they don't show up to work it is 1000 baht to the house. If none of these apply the next time ask them why when you see it on the bill. A girl I take regularly from the first time she ask me for the 600 up front to pay her barfine. I usually give her a 1000 baht and she comes back with the 400.

LBM

"you come tonight, see me at club," the 25-year old go go dancer from a soi lk metro bar said to me, as she left at 9. 00 am."yes," i lied to her, holding back on my westernized version of events (where it would have been to truthfully say,"i don't think so, honey", and so to let her walk away in the more respectful thai face-saving fashion. she'd claimed she was feeling sick, but there was no evidence of this other than her bad acting, upon waking for a morning session. as one of the benefits of the thai girl scene is post-payment on the sex worker transaction, i had docked her 3k baht down to 2k baht. she hadn't complained, other than to plaintively mutter,"i don't have money". well, i replied, now you do. i give you two thousand baht, for one 30-minute boom-boom.

in some way the event was healing for me. i'd grown sadly accustomed to the increasing number of filippinas in my old pi stomping ground in angeles city, pulling this same poor performance card. the hassle of returning to the angeles bar from which i had plucked them, to complain, was not what i wanted to be doing with my limited time there. but paying lt for st action never feels good. here, in pattaya, the transaction was much cleaner for me, as the customer. no honey, no money.

it has not been a great start to my seven days here in pattaya, after flying directly to bkk from malaysia on monday. i had made a bee-line to x-bar go go, hoping to bar-fine a girl from my previous trip here, only to find she had gone home to recover from a recent scooter accident. i left the bar expressing my concern about her injured collar bone, and spent the next few hours on walking street, only to return to my hotel alone. i was dead tired from working, and had no energy to book a new girl.

the next day, it was off to saba dee body massage, and took only three minutes to pick out a girl. in spite of my usual mo of not picking the girl who apparently wants to work really badly (almost inevitably leading to disappointment once she is back in your room) i went for a cute girl waving at me wearing a big smile and a short red dress. it turned out to be a mixed blessing, as she gave a tremendous soapy but, once it came to blow job time, my little brother was awol. hmmm. i know i'm horny, and the girl gave a great body slide, using her sparse little pubic brush to great scubbing effect. but it was the leaving me alone afterwards, resting after the inflatable mattress event, that killed the mood for me. by the time she returned for a little ball-licking and a covered bj, my little brother had lost interest. i tipped her well, anyway, because it was not down to her performance or effort, and only to chemistry (and bad timing).

several hours later i found myself in soi lk metro, and it was getting late. i still had my pattaya cherry to lose, and remained saddened by my soapie misadventure. then i saw her, in a line up of only four girls, with long dark hair and sporting a new full-length back tattoo. nice body, mid-twenties, but smiling at me from the darkened stage with all too-much enthusiasm. the big head sent the message down to the little head that i was tired, and that pattaya was full of other options, and for me to wait a while more for a less-enthusiastic girl. then, the little head reminded me it was 11 pm, and that my interest was waning. ok, let's buy smiling girl a lady drink, and see what's up.

the second warning sign that arrived was in the form of the teeth braces she wore, that suddenly became apparent once she was sitting at my side, lady drink in hand. i've had a few grill girls before, and they thankfully were able to bj me without lacerating my organ in the process, which is what goes through your mind when they smile at you, club lights reflecting on all that non-sexy metal. i decided to focus on the pre-bar fine interview, rather than her dentistry. but did i mention that i have learned, the hard way, not to choose ultra-eager girls? in my defense, she smelled awfully good, and i liked the shape of her body, so l decided to give her a lt shot.

it turned out to be one shot, though. i negotiated an over night for 3k, following the usual question asking her about her giving blow jobs. in retrospect, and in the noise of the go go bar, she was either vague, or was deliberately concealing her future refusal for a blow job so she could leave with me. lesson learned: get a firm understanding on this, or learn thai language for "you give me good blow job, yes?". but at least the upcoming one shot would be a good one, in spite of her looming mid-boom-boom announcement that she would not blow me because of her braces. luckily for me, i still liked the way she looked, and smelled, and fingering her pussy produced nice, wet results. little brother was up and running, no bj stimulation needed, and off we went for a mid-night boom-boom.

she was surprisingly tight, for 25 years old, and so i went in slow and steady so as not to hurt her. her thai faked-moans were at the budget end of the scale of fakery, and i almost wished she had just stayed quiet instead. but she did accomodate my late-night enthusiasm well, with multiple positions, and i almost came. then, all of a sudden, she was saying she was feeling discomfort down there, in pussyland. ok, baby, then we stop. i don't want you to get hurt, and you can bj me instead, before we go to sleep. and that's when the grill girl / no blow rule was presented to me. no good deed goes unpunished.

in the end i called it a night, only to awaken a few hours later around four am, with my nose snuggled up close to her hair. damn, she did smell good. and the warmth of her body made me feel exceptionally alive. so, i sent some exploratory feelers out, to see if she was up for lt round two, after her four hours of rest."i'm tired, honey, i need sleep", she murmured at me. fair enough. but the general feeling i was getting from her was: "no more for you, sunshine".

i restlessly slipped back into sleep, to awaken around 7 am. at 8 am, grill girl was still apparently asleep, so i gave her the benefit of the doubt, and cuddled up next to her, to give her another opportunity to come through on our deal. then, came the morning news flash from her: she was not feeling well, and wanted to go home. ok, not a problem. i've had it with you, anyway, i said to myself."if you want to go home, i'll give you 2k for a go go short-time." "i don't have money", she countered, repeating several times. i ran a few scenarios through my head (thai gangsters tracking me down this week, her going crazy in my room and breaking a tv set) , but decided a stand needed to be taken. no honey, no money. short time performance results in short time pay. this is the way the real world works.

so now, it is wednesday morning, with a week of pattaya playing ahead of me. i don't feel sorry for myself, and i certainly don't want the reader to feel sorry for me. to be sure, no more grill girls from now on. and no more obfurep001ion around the bj rule, during the interview process. no bj, no bar fine.

Gunga Din,

You may want to try writing romance novels. I used up an entire box of Kleenex while reading your report. sniff sniff..

Tony, those are tears of imagined pain, as you visualize a night with a Grill Girl while reading my FR. Don't worry, the bad dream will pass, and the good times will roll once again.

Cheers,

- Gunga

Just a quick report on three days escape from Bangkok to Pattaya.

Rain has been heavy this year, and some downpours interrupted the action, so hard to gauge what the activity levels of the bars would really be.

Soi 6 was rewarding as usual, although I had to make a couple of trips up and down the soi to find my taste in the afternoon. It seemed that the evenings offered more of the younger, slim lookers segment. In any case, it was a good investment of time and money (300 room. 700 to the girl, although one Chiang Mai 22 year old requested 1000).

Beach Road was pretty grim on every pass. A lot of coal and very, very few diamonds. Pattaya Beer Garden had zero women the one time I dropped by in the late afternoon.

GoGos were as usual. My Diet Coke was 95 baht (compared to Nana Plaza at 145, which makes it ridiculous now IMHO) and the selection was okay. Hard to justify the ST market price these days, when compared to what is available on Soi 6.

My late afternoon trip from Bangkok to Pattaya wasn't filled with much anticipation: I was too tired from three busy days in the capital and so fell asleep for the duration of the trip. The Bell Bus service, (though a little late in picking me up at Livingstone's before the transfer to a bigger bus at the airport) worked out nicely, especially with the van dropoff at my hotel and the value 340 Baht price. I checked into the Opey Dey Place, Soi Lengkee off Soi Buakhow, where I had stayed my previous visit, but the combination of very spartan room and bad location within the hotel made me decide to look for another place the next day. I'm a fan of the Soi Buakhow area since it's a bit more relaxed than some other parts of town, especially those close to walking street, but it still has fun venues with several gogo's and plenty of little bars. Buakhow is also a direct route to the heart of things, a reasonable and direct walk to South Pattaya Road and then to Walking Street.

I was ready to hit the town by 8. My plan was to attack an area I hadn't tried last year, Soi 15, and a type of place I hadn't visited in Pattaya, a show club: Angel Witch was my first stop. A recent report described parts of the show well, with the dancers dripping fluorescent paint on their naked bodies while writhing to 'chant, ' and the big mama Ladyboy suffocating the blindfolded victim with his / her boobs – she also did a mean Tina Turner impression! I thought Angel Witch was a lot of fun and a great value, but I had no interest in the barfine-able dancers who took the stage a couple of times; they just didn't look that good, a little rough around the edges. And with so many tourist types in the audience, I didn't like the idea of choosing in that kind of (family?) atmosphere.

So I was happy to try a somewhat sleazier venue. Babydolls was just up the Soi, and yes, the cheap beer touts helped me make my decision to go in. True to its name, Babydolls had a lot of younger girls, some cuties among them, but the ones I would have barfined were otherwise occupied with guests or looked too bored to be fun. So I spent my time caressing the asses, pussies, and boobs of the nude girls up on platforms doing bath and lesbo shows. I made my way over to Walking Street next to take in all the chaos. After looking in a couple of places I dropped into Peppermint. A good selection was on hand, but I move too slowly for the girls that appealed most. I think I rated some of the hostesses higher than the dancers. The club just got too crowded, though, so I moved on in my search for my first Pattaya playmate.

At Living Dolls nearby there weren't a lot of girls, but they were lively, and dirty. Blow jobs on phallically carved bananas, that kind of thing. What aroused me most was when a cute Russian brunette with amazing blue eyes got onstage to do some erotic dancing for her boyfriend in the audience. She did a little striptease and ended up dancing topless for a long time, showing off some terrific boobs. She found a dance partner in a lanky mixed Thai-African American (?) with wild hair who sucked on the white girls tits, and almost convinced her to take her pants off, but ultimately didn't succeed.

When the girls on the next shift got naked onstage, my eyes almost popped out of my head at the most outrageous one there. This tall, skinny babe had straight China bangs, arms and legs crawling with tattoos, and an in-your-face set of bolt-ons. So many artificial ingredients would normally repel me, but in her case I was intrigued, in an opposites attract sort of way, so I asked a waitress to call her over. She said she would be happy to do so, but had to let me know that the girl was deaf.

I certainly didn't expect that, but figured that I'the see what happened when we met. Nuy was all smiles as she approached me, and whipped out a notepad so we could introduce each other and get acquainted. She knew English well and so we engaged in a back-and-forth scribbling match as we got to know one another. It was clear that we got along well, so I proposed going to my hotel, to which she happily agreed. When she returned from getting dressed I think my eyes opened wider than when she was naked – wearing a miniskirt, tight low cut top, and high heels, and a she made me feel pretty proud walking down Walking Street with her on my arm. After some seafood at the Marine restaurant I climbed on the back of her motorbike and we sped off.

In my hotel room Nuy started looking more like the Thai girl next door, as she stripped off the false eyelashes and makeup and lost a few inches when the heels came off. As she was showering I learned an important lesson when approaching a naked deaf girl – since she can't hear you enter the bathroom, she tends to get startled when you suddenly out you hand on her ass. On the bed we exchanged some love notes before Nuy mounted me. She was energetic and I loved feeling her slender body against mine, although I wouldn't rank our nighttime and morning sessions up with the better ones of the trip, for whatever reason. I guess the rest of the experience was so memorable that the sex was secondary. And when I think about it, I'the have to say that I never communicated better with any Thai girl than I did with Nuy, and she couldn't even speak or hear!

When Nuy departed in the morning I went on a hotel search, since my room at Opey De Place was so unappealing. I liked the pool in the leafy courtyard at Opey De, but for over 900 Baht I needed something better. I found a new (and newly built, it seemed) hotel, Nature View, over a couple of blocks on Soi Buakhow. It had a much plusher room at about the same price, and they had a good pool in back. Plus some really friendly front desk staff.

After lunch my plan was to pick up a Beer Garden or Beach Road girl for some afternoon fun. Beer Garden only had girls accompanying their dates for lunch, so I strolled along Beach Road, I didn't see many girls at all, probably because of the heat. I did pass by a cluster of women near the end of Soi Post Office, mostly older but with one young and slender girl with them. I doubled back a couple of times in order to decide what to do, and I eventually sat down next to the slender girl; she was not great looking facially, but I figured for a 700 Baht it was worth a shot, and we headed to a short time hotel (100 Baht an hour) on Soi Post Office. With the heat I was glad to quickly remove my shirt and do the same for hers, noticing her tits were even smaller than I had expected. (I'm sure you've seen where this is going. .). Then time for the pants, and in contrast to her chest, down there I found more than I expected. I guess I should have known better; when I sat down with my date back on Beach Road one of the older women laughed and said something like 'Oh, Ladyboy, ' but I thought she was kidding! Well, with her warning now confirmed, I left 300 and smiled and excused myself. It's a rite of passage for any Thailand mongerer, I suppose.

I decided to make up for my ignominious afternoon experience with a place I've found to be much more reliable, Devil's Den. After a swim I made the 5 minute walk over to Soi LK Metro. Prior to my trip I had emailed to ask about the whereabouts of Taylor and Dew, two favorites from past visits, but apparently with the change in management they went away too. I was fortunate to find worthy successors, however. Of the girls in the lineup Nina and Luck (who I may have sessioned with before) stood out, significantly better looking than the rest of the lineup.

Upstairs in the room, my main problem with threesomes surfaced: I usually gravitate more to one girl than the other. In this case, it was Nina. This incredibly cute spinner had me smitten, and as a result I found my cock inside her for most of the first half of the 90 minute session. But how could I tear myself away when I'm fucking her in missionary, look over into the bedside mirror, and see her legs wrapped around me and her little ankle bracelet jingling away. Still, she's tiny and I was afraid I would wear her out. Trooper that she was, she could handle it all, even bouncing in the sex swing. And I did even things out in the second half, with some anal and other activities with Luck, who is seriously service oriented. The last cum of a Devil's Den adventure is often hard to accomplish, but Luck worked it and worked it until I unloaded in her mouth.

i'm mentally arguing with myself as i write the post title above, but in retrospect my second night in pattaya may have been the best gogo hopping of my mongering career. it started with a place that has intrigued me for a while, the kitten club at the penthouse hotel. maybe it's the pictures of the hot dancers on their website, or some good reports on the hotel's isg forum page, but i decided i would brave the ambiguity of a combined regular girl-ladyboy gogo. separating the boys from the (wo) men wasn't really the issue once i realized that the tall hotties were the guys. actually it was pretty clear who was who, and the girls were attractive (a russian guest barfined a hardbodied cutie as i was arriving) , though not teenie types. the real problem was that there were very few other guests, and the girls (and others) on stage were very forward about making eye contact and giving come-hither gestures, so i felt too much on the spot, so i headed out after a drink. i have to say it's a fun place, and the combination of the scantily clad girls, ladyboy waitresses, and the house-sized lb mamasan in outrageous makeup made for an avant garde burlesque atmosphere, like in the musical 'cabaret. '

i next headed to sapphire on soi 15 to see the advertised show there. it was after 10 but i had to wait a while, as they were late. it turned out not to be worth waiting for. they had a few girls dressed in elaborate costumes supposedly reenacting some thai legend, but it was so awkwardly done that it looked like kids putting on a school play. fortunately, there were some things worth watching, namely the dancers in white hot shorts and blue bikini or halter tops – think dallas cowboy cheerleaders, (and a few without much of anything as the night went on). i had my eye on one hot hop hop dancer from the start. i had to play musical chairs in the seats around the stage to finally get her attention, but i summoned mai for drink. she was shy, which i found endearing, but i was really disappointed when she responded negatively to proposal to barfine her all night.

it turned out that mai, only 19, lived with family in pattaya, and so needed to return home for the night. then she brightened my gloom with this handy revelation: sapphire had short time rooms upstairs. the cost would be a 600 baht barfine and room rental (1 hour) , plus 2, 000 for mai. this was a great solution (if not a great value) , since i could not pass up having sex with this teenie dancer. and as a concept it was ideal: gogo's are great, but sometimes if it's early i don't want to go back to my hotel for a short time session, which can disrupt the flow of the evening. with short time rooms onsite, you can bust a nut while you are at your horniest, and then settle in to select an all-nighter girl without that pressure.

the short time deal struck, mai got changed into civilian clothing, which seemed silly once we left the front door of the club just to walk three meters down to a door leading upstairs. the room was new and clean, and the bathroom was a model for short time hotels anywhere. mai emerged from the shower with a towel wrapped around her. i relished slowly peeling that towel off and tracing my tongue around her rosebud nipples, over her flat stomach, and between the moist lips of her hairy pussy. slow and steady was the pace of the lovemaking, and watching the intense look on the face of this 19 year old cutie brought me to another place. it was incredible to me that a girl who could be so uninhibited on stage could be such an innocent, virginal lover in bed.

i left sapphire and mai with time to kill and a lady friend to join me overnight, so it was off to walking street, where i dropped into a place i had my eye on since my visit last year. airport aka sexy airlines featured a theme (and cute fake stewardesses in front) that promised fun. and it delivered: in all the bars, strip clubs, gogo's and other mongering venues where i've mongered over the last few years, i don't think i ever had so much fun.

the ingredients were simple: high energy music, enthusiastic dancers in sexy air hostess outfits, blonde russian tourist chicks going topless, cheap beer prices, and naked girls sudsing each other up. and the key factor in my good time was one of those girls. iris (i think that was her name) stood out from the three other naked girls whacking each others' asses with foam rubber rods. what did it for me were her incredible smile, sexy wavy hair, and latina or spanish look. so while she was dancing (spanking, actually) , i went over to give her a tip.

after her shift she got into a tiny dress and skimpy top and came over. she spent the next couple of hours with me, grinding her thong-clad ass against me, letting me reach into her gauzy bikini top and fondle her breasts, and eventually making out like teenagers. when we did make all the barfine arrangements and she did get changed into her short jean skirt and top, i asked that we stay longer, the fun of this 'date' trumping (temporarily) my horniness.

when we did get to my hotel room it was like i had invited her in from at hot date – out on the balcony we began kissing furiously, stumbling inside and over to the bed while throwing off pieces of clothing. we went at it as passionately as any time i can remember. it was pretty wild, so much that when we came up for air iris and i laughed at the fact that the bed had moved three feet from the wall! the next morning we continued where we left off, unable to keep our hands (and other parts) off each other. we dozed after the early wakeup shag, followed it with another at midmorning, and you can probably guess what happened when a noon rainshower kept us from heading outside.

After days of anticipation, my first Songkran had arrived. Iris and I had lunch and then shared a motorbike to Soi 6, where I planned to spend the day. Riding down the length of Soi 6, we were completely exposed and prime targets for anyone with a plastic pan of water or water gun. Getting pummeled with a blast of ice cold water from a supersoaker is definitely not pleasant. I left Iris by a market and told her I would come by the club to see her again – a promise, sadly, I didn't keep.

But right now I was focused on celebrating the holiday. And what a holiday it was: I spent the afternoon and much of the next day wandering up and down Soi 6 scoping out girls to have sex with above the bars, along the way getting doused with water and smeared with white paste, having bites of hawker food, and generally enjoying what could be the world's best street festival (for mongerers, at least).

Wanting to stay sharp, I didn't have many beers along the way, though I did duck into a number bars when I needed a break from the deluge. I made so many laps of the street that I got well recognized, and was asked (including by one persistent ladyboy) what I was doing going back and forth. It was all about the hunt: the more I passed them, the more chances I had to pinch, grab, and flirt with the nubile girls in wet T-shirts and tight shorts playing in the street. It was well worth paying the price of sopping wet hair and clothes. To me Songkran was an ideal time for enjoying Soi 6, since the girls were more focused on having fun with water than just pulling you inside for sex, so they were the prey, not me. Those lions in the nature films always seem to do better when the gazelles are distracted!

I didn't have to go far for my first pickup, whom I spotted outside one of the bars near the corner of Second Road (I forget which place, maybe Good Fellas or Mods). This bronzed, petite 19 year old could have been a California co-ed, with her sunglasses, hairband, tight shorts, and bikini top revealing a flat belly with a cluster of star tattoos. She had goose bumps from being wet and exposed to the elements, so I gladly took her to a room over a nearby bar to warm her up; DATY really did the job, and we soon both worked up a sweat. After we finished she had to rush to get cleaned up, since she got a call from her Australian boyfriend telling her that he was on his way to the bar. (Cost 300 to the bar. 700 to her).

After strolling the Soi for a while I ended up on the same end of the street, stopping at the entrance of the Bull Ring for a breather. There I was kindly invited inside by curvy, Ooey (maybe Bui?) , who said her main job was the cashier at the bar. Ooey was yummy, with a slightly chubby face, and I loved clutching that round ass and generous boobs through her light cotton sundress, and then with her wearing less. This was another instance of me falling for more voluptuous, slightly older Thai girls on this trip. We had a slow, sensual, satisfying fuck. (Total cost 700).

Over at Nightwish, the girls were having a ball. I think they were as energetic as any I saw on the Soi that day, splashing and dancing full of Songkran spirit (and no doubt alcoholic spirits too). I flirted with a lanky 18 year old on several of my passes by the bar, and finally decided to do her. That was a mistake. First, it was pretty clear that she was a flaky girl. And by now it was late afternoon, and she was worn out and a little drunk. So in contrast to her frenetic playfulness outside, in bed she gave a listless, uninspired performance. I think we just dozed most of the time.

That little nap helped me recover my energy, though. Another girl I had spoken with a couple of times during the course of the day was Noi at Amsterdamaged. She was not at all in the mold of most of the girls I had been with in Thailand – it's hard to describe exactly, maybe I would say she was more sophisticated? It could have been her hair, which was about shoulder length, or maybe it was the fact that she wore black nylons under her short skirt. In any case, to my eyes she had a face of model-grade beauty; she wasn't a very young woman – maybe late 20s – and she had an air of sensuality (and maybe a touch of mystery) about her.

Looking up at the ceiling mirror or over to the one on the wall, I felt like I was watching a high-end adult film. Wearing only black panties and those black pantyhose, and sporting tattoos over the entirety of her back, Noi licked the sides of my shaft and then took my penis into her mouth. This eventually brought my cock back to life, since the busy day had sapped my energy – I was as gratified by her persistence in pleasuring me as the actual sensations. We spooned and then she lay flat on her front as I penetrated her from behind, and I climaxed watching the passionate expression on her face as she turned her head to the side. The atmosphere of fantasy she generated during our session was as erotic as I had experienced in several years mongering. I proposed that she spend the night with me, but sadly she declined, as she had a client coming into town who had already booked her services. I did see her the next day, but didn't get back together with her, which was one of the major regrets of this trip (especially considering that this amazing session cost me only around 1, 200 Baht).

In search of an overnight companion, I had a drink with a girl at Lisa Bar. I had flirted with her earlier, as she and the rest of her colleagues graced the front stoop of the bar, shimmying to music. Lisa Bar distinguished itself by dressing all its girls in the same outfit, a different one each day; I saw them in Asian hostess and schoolgirl costumes. (At Red Point bar next door, the girls also wore sexy dresses, in contrast to the short and T-shirts common on the Soi, but the girls there always looked sullen and bored). At Lisa the girls went out of their way to be friendly, and I enjoyed her company. But she turned out to be reluctant to go for the overnight option (I forget the barfine cost, but it seemed very reasonable) , as it was probably too early in the evening to make it worth her while. So I headed back to my hotel, soggy but happy, to start a new search for a nightcap to my first day of Songkran; it turned out that I should have continued my search at Soi 6, but at least I did return the next day for another festive time.

After my long day on Soi 6, and failing in my two attempts to barfine girls for the night there, I decided to stay closer to home for my gogo trawling. This meant passing up a repeat with Iris from Airport gogo, but I figured I could see her the next night, my last. Soi LK Metro was just a couple of minutes walk from my hotel, and I had had good times there on my previous trip to Pattaya. I started out at Submarine, and should have begun and ended my search there. I think this place should get some award for doing the most with least; it's the size of a walk-in closet, so the submarine theme is perfect. Two tallish teen dancers were nude and alluring, especially one with a short, punky hairdo and sweet smile named Nok. Passing on her was an inexplicable move and a mistake I still kick myself for.

I suppose I left Submarine because I felt I needed to barhop and see all my options. I stuck my head in at Kiss and MASH, but didn't see anything to keep me, so I headed into The Office. Last trip I had picked up a sexy dancer there. She had been doing a nude shower show, but this time there was no nudity on display, unfortunately. There were some very talented dancers, as I had experienced on my last visit. But the only girl who really seemed to engage the audience members (apart from the vivacious and hilarious older waitress wearing a schoolgirl outfit and thick glasses) ended up sitting with another guest between dances (she had that desirable Latina look too, damn!). So since I didn't feel a connection with any of them, I left.

I didn't have far to go, with Champagne a few doors down. I don't know why I stayed, since the air conditioning was not working – usually I'm thankful when a place is not freezing, but without the A / C on all the cigarette smoke had nowhere to go. As I sat down with a drink I began to get a headache, and instead of bailing I decided to make this place my last stop. The talent on hand wasn't bad, though only a couple of dancers went topless. This was balanced out by a group of two or three naked cuties on a platform on the side. One of them really caught my eye, and I eventually got up and invited her to join me for a drink. Pak was quiet and shy, surprising since she had been frolicking without a stitch of clothing for all the world to see just minutes before.

A red flag was raised when she told me that she did not have her identification card with her, only a photocopy, since the original had been taken by the police when she was charged with a motorbike moving violation. This worried me, since Pak looked young (I figured around 18 or 19, and was surprised when she told me she was 25) and I worried about problems at the hotel. At this point I was getting tired, though, and wanted to make a move, so I paid the barfine. I was annoyed that the barfine cost a high 1, 000 baht, and even more shocked when Pak told me that before midnight it would have cost double that!

Back at the hotel, the desk staff thankfully accepted Pak's I'd copy I'd without making an issue of it. After the ordeal of getting her to the room, I was looking forward to a sensual night and morning of lovemaking with a cute girlfriend type. It was not to be, though. I saw it coming when she moved from the shower to the bed with a bath towel wrapped tightly around her body. It was all starfish after that, with minimal responsiveness to licking her pussy, which is a session-killer for me. To top it off, after about a half hour of sleep, Pak woke me and said she was unable to sleep here in the hotel. While it's conceivable that some snoring on my part kept her away, I was pretty pissed off, given the opportunity cost. Other girls at the LK Metro gogos, but worse, the possibility of repeating with Iris from the night before. I sent her off with 2, 000 (rather than the 3, 000 we had agreed on for long time) , and given the how much I had in store for me again on Soi 6 the next day, maybe it was best that I saved up my energy that night and the next morning.

As good a time I had on Soi 6 the day before, this day was its match, and ranks with one of the best in my mongering life. In retrospect, it was probably a good thing that I got a runner the night before so didn't drain myself with strenuous morning activities. Glutton for punishment that I am I took the Baht bus to get to Soi 6, thus volunteering for human target practice courtesy of everyone armed with a supersoaker.

As I made one of my laps up Soi 6, unsuccessfully dodging streams and splashes of water and fingers laden with white paste, I stopped at Sexy in the City. What halted me in my tracks was a tiny kitten of a girl, one of the cutest I could remember, standing there demurely amid the watery chaos. As I introduced myself to 20 year old Noi, one of the girls gone wild on the street came over to get me just a little bit wetter. This was Hanna, Noi's 19 year old sister; the girls came from Laos. I was about to ask Noi to join me upstairs (she was clearly too quiet, and lacking in English, to ask me) , when her brash English speaking sis proposed a threesome for a total of 2, 000 Baht.

The concept of doing sisters at the same time is irresistible. But like too many threesomes in my experience (and I'm sure that of others) , the execution falls short of the expectation. In this case it partly resulted from Hanna's sexual skills failing to match her bold personality. While I French kissed Noi Hanna sucked me, passably but not very well. More of a problem, we just didn't sync when it came to touching and kissing, whereas Noi and I really paired up well. As a result, I focused just about all my attention on Noi, relegating Hanna to bystander status as I fucked Noi in missionary. Between Noi grunting 'good, good' and my own panting and moans, Hanna's presence barely registered. I never did screw her. But no matter, the important thing was making this connection with Noi, and I pledged I would be back later in the afternoon.

I did seek out another repeat performance, with the first cutie I banged the day before over near Second Road. I found her, but tragically she was unavailable. She explained that her boyfriend, sitting on a barstool a few meters away, had turned up early this day and was keeping a close eye on her.

One bar I passed several times, and skipped visiting because some of the hostesses out front looked a bit too much like ladyboys, was Full Moon Bar. Next time by I noticed this exquisite creature sitting on a stool out front. I stopped to chat and to confirm it was definitely a she, and after taking a break for some great grilled chicken at a vendor's cart, I doubled back. Happily Noi was still there. Does that name sound familiar? It should. She was the fourth Noi / Nuy I got together with in Pattaya. Noi must be the Thai equivalent of 'Mary. '

This Noi may have had the best body of them all, with just about the tightest 20-year old butt I ever laid my hands on. Despite her tender age, her erotic skills shone; she sat me down on one of the couches in the room and kneeled down to suck my cock, as I watched in a mirror. Yes, I wrote plural couches – this was the best room I had on Soi 6, more like a suite or party room, with the two couches, multiple wall mirrors, and large bed with mirror on the ceiling above.

We took matters to the bed, where Noi mounted me, bucking furiously. Watching this in the mirror, I was glad for all the cums I had recently, since otherwise I would have found it hard to hold my load for long. I did almost lose it when Noi asked if I could give her an 'ice cream. ' It was clear she wanted some of my vanilla when she climbed off, pulled off the condom, and gobbled my dick. She bobbed up and down until I filled her mouth with a creamy substance warmer than anything you'the find at Baskin Robbins. In retrospect, I'm amazed at the series of remarkable sexual encounters with girls named Noi on this trip, and even more amazed that I didn't make any 'an-noy-ing' puns until now!

With the afternoon coming to a close, I enjoyed the closing hours of my last day of Songkran festivities (I had an early afternoon flight the next day). I played the pacifist – no water gun for me, but I was happy to turn the tables on any approaching aggressor (especially if they were cute) and dump their pan or bucket of water right back on them. I looked for a refuge where I could enjoy the late afternoon sunshine fade from the soi, and found it back at Sexy in the City. With a beer in my hand, I sat on a barstool with damp Noi cuddling against me with my arms wrapped around her. We laughed at the shenanigans in the street, and in drier moments she turned her head to me and we kissed.

We returned to the room upstairs for another passionate lovemaking session. At the end my joyful exhaustion was overtaken by a mood of angst and indecision: how could I let this sweetie go (and probably never see her again) , but what about my plan to find Iris at Sexy Airlines gogo? (For those not keeping score at home, the sex with Iris was about as unrestrained as I'the ever enjoyed). After some thought, I decided that a bird in the hand was better than two in the Bush (I never realized until then the sexual tone of that proverb.) , or to rephrase, a bird in bed at Soi 6 beats some Bush at a Walking Street gogo, or something like that. When I inquired about the overnight barfine I was quoted a reasonable figure, paid, and we were off.

But not just the two of us. Hanna was coming along too, something about going to the market. We took the Baht bus to South Pattaya Road, and it became clear that the destination would be a section of book stalls, where Hanna helped Noi pick out some English language phrasebooks, including one titled 'Get Rich Quick – English for Bargirls. ' I paid for these, as well as a magazine for Hanna, and planned on Noi and I leaving Hanna to go eat. When Hanna indicated that she expected to join us, I politely but firmly told her goodnight, and she took the hint.

Noi and I sat down to a nice dinner at a great place on South Pattaya Road where I had eaten a couple of days earlier, and she recommended some tasty dishes that we fed to one another. We paged through the phrasebooks together to practice her English and, thanks to the raunchier phrases, get a preview of the night's activities. After dinner, the first activities were as innocent as you could imagine: having juices and ice cream at a little café near my hotel, and watching Harry Potter on tv back in my room (over beers). It was as good a date night as I ever had with a Thai girl, and despite her limited English, Noi and I got along well (shades of my evening with deaf Nuy.).

Things eventually took a more adult turn. I loved listening to Noi's moans and squeals and seeing her eyes screwed shut as I mounted her and penetrated that tight pussy. Her tiny body was perfect for some of my favorite girl-on-top positions, lying prone or with her back against me as I drew her back and forth. I also took advantage of her petite frame to try a new position for me. As she gave me a delicious morning blowjob, I stood up and then hoisted her head over heels with her lips still around my dick and her legs now around my head and pussy in my face. I ate her out as I carried her over to the wall mirror to watch this scene. It's safe to say Noi wore me out, with four active sexual encounters over the course of 20 hours; for the next couple of days I had a soreness in the muscles of my inside upper thighs that I had never felt before.

Morning was a bittersweet time as I packed in preparation for my departure for the airport, Noi earnestly helping to fold my clothes. I took photos of her standing on the balcony, and I as I look at them now I'm grateful I have a reminder of her perfectly feline face, heart-melting smile, soft long hair, and lovely petite body. We said goodbye at the door, communicating as much with our kiss as with words. This little cutie from Laos is one to make you give up this hobby and settle down; I'm realistic but kind of sad that won't be the case for me, although I can imagine some (nice) mongerer lucking into a happy life with this sweetie.

Yes. Great that you enjoy this city of smiles.

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita;1303011]As good a time I had on Soi 6 the day before, this day was its match, and ranks with one of the best in my mongering life. In retrospect, it was probably a good thing that I got a runner the night before so didn't drain myself with strenuous morning activities. Glutton for punishment that I am I took the Baht bus to get to Soi 6, thus volunteering for human target practice courtesy of everyone armed with a supersoaker.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for all the effort you put into your FR, Ibn Buttita. Much appreciated by me, and I'm sure by many others on this board. I'm inspired enough by your adventures to spend more time on Soi 6 over the next few days, and will post about it. Today is a rainy and cool day, in Pattaya, and I'm curious to see how it affects the Soi 6 experience. Again, thanks for sharing your April 2012 visit.

- Gunga Din

[QUOTE=Gunga Din; 1303084]Thanks so much for all the effort you put into your FR, Ibn Buttita. Much appreciated by me, and I'm sure by many others on this board. I'm inspired enough by your adventures to spend more time on Soi 6 over the next few days, and will post about it. Today is a rainy and cool day, in Pattaya, and I'm curious to see how it affects the Soi 6 experience. Again, thanks for sharing your April 2012 visit.

- Gunga Din[/QUOTE]My goodness, yes, Ibn B. Has certainly done superb work, if a bit belated (three months can bring a lot of turnover, girlswise, in LOS) , with his field reports. These are what ISG posters should aspire to.

As for Soi 6, well for the unitiated it can be fairly rough-and-tumble, hardcore stuff. Mr. I. B. Stumbled upon one joint that apparently had a nice boom-boom room. In my experience of two shags on premises (late June and late June of 2011) the rooms I got upstairs (second floor, both with windows overlooking Soi 6) the rooms were decripit, and I had to ask the girl to change the bedsheets and remove some reminders of the previous occupants. Blech.

That said, for 1100 baht (700 for the girl. 400 for the room) at an establishment whose name I do not recall, and yes, a whopping 100 baht or 3 USD more than I prolly should have paid, it was a nice experience with a real spinner named Ae or somesuch, a 25 year old nursing student. If you know your USA porn stars, I would say she was reminiscent, facewise, of one who goes / went by the stage name of Kitty or Miss Kitty. Tiny body, but a better rack than the flatchested porn star, and a great attitude (I negotiated CIM, and she readily complied, though indicated she customarily did not accommodate that.) Nice and tight, a lovely session, though I did not go down on her as I would a dancer from one of the more established agogos.

I think Ae could have made more money at an establishment on Walking Street, but she mentioned some disdain about dancing at agogos.

Ultimately, though, Soi 6 is not for the squeamish. I assume the girls are seeing more turnover, and hence, more opportunity for critters you'd prefer to avoid. I met one local expat who said that two of his friends contracted gonorrhea from bareback blowjobs adminstered along this fabled boulevard. ('Course, that could be delivered by employees of the "classier" gogo bars on Walking Street.

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1303109]I met one local expat who said that two of his friends contracted gonorrhea from bareback blowjobs adminstered along this fabled boulevard. ('Course, that could be delivered by employees of the "classier" gogo bars on Walking Street.[/QUOTE]Always wondered how people whoring around in so many places can pinpoint where / who they got the clap from? Sometimes it's from the gals you least suspect.

Met this bosom wench on Beach Road close to Walking Street. She said she was Russian (maybe from one of the 'Stans'?) in Pattaya for 2 weeks and was 25 (I would estimate closer to 35) but a change is as good as a rest and I had filled my boots with Thai birds over the previous week. And she seemed pleasant for a Russkie and then there were those boobs of course.

Her asking rate for ST was higher than the BR average but surprisingly modest but it is low season and its a buyers market out there at the moment. What I really enjoyed was the neck wrenching double take I got from all 3 receptionists at my hotel. Olga had her passport with her so there was no problems.

To be quite honest the sex was better than any I had had in Pattaya on this trip except for my DD threesome on the first night. Olga (not her real name which I've forgotten) was up for most everything and seemed to be genuinely enjoying herself. She offered her ass for an extra 500 but I declined. But her BBBJ was spectacular and culminated in a rousing finale in her mouth after which she surprised me by promptly swallowed every drop. She also enjoyed a spot of fisting and I nearly lost my hand in there! I have photos of this and will show but I know that there are a lot of easily shockable, sensitive little flowers on this forum so will only post if requested.

Often fancied trying a FSW whilst in Pattaya and pleased now that I took the plunge (excuse the pun).

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1303129]Met this bosom wench on Beach Road close to Walking Street. She also enjoyed a spot of fisting and I nearly lost my hand in there! I have photos of this and will show but I know that there are a lot of easily shockable, sensitive little flowers on this forum so will only post if requested.[/QUOTE]Now you make us curious to see how it is "down there" after the massive upper area has been shown

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1303144]Now you make us curious to see how it is "down there" after the massive upper area has been shown[/QUOTE]OK, you asked for it. Here is one of me trying to retrieve my wristwatch which I lost in an earlier sally! I'll never again be able to remove the giblets from a Christmas turkey without suffering flashbacks! I'm traumatized.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1303238]OK, you asked for it. Here is one of me trying to retrieve my wristwatch which I lost in an earlier sally! I'll never again be able to remove the giblets from a Christmas turkey without suffering flashbacks! I'm traumatized.[/QUOTE]LOL. Love the joke on the turkey! I bet she was wet as a flood. I once experienced a similar BBW and. Honestly. Real fat, and she was wet as pouring rain, unbelievable soaking wet.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1303238]OK, you asked for it. Here is one of me trying to retrieve my wristwatch which I lost in an earlier sally! I'll never again be able to remove the giblets from a Christmas turkey without suffering flashbacks! I'm traumatized.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah! A true Butterball Turkey.

LBM

[QUOTE=Gunga Din;1303084]Thanks so much for all the effort you put into your FR, Ibn Buttita. Much appreciated by me, and I'm sure by many others on this board. I'm inspired enough by your adventures to spend more time on Soi 6 over the next few days, and will post about it. Today is a rainy and cool day, in Pattaya, and I'm curious to see how it affects the Soi 6 experience. Again, thanks for sharing your April 2012 visit. - Gunga Din[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1303109]My goodness, yes, Ibn B. Has certainly done superb work, if a bit belated (three months can bring a lot of turnover, girlswise, in LOS) , with his field reports. These are what ISG posters should aspire to.

As for Soi 6, well for the unitiated it can be fairly rough-and-tumble, hardcore stuff. Mr. I. B. Stumbled upon one joint that apparently had a nice boom-boom room. In my experience of two shags on premises (late June and late June of 2011) the rooms I got upstairs (second floor, both with windows overlooking Soi 6) the rooms were decripit, and I had to ask the girl to change the bedsheets and remove some reminders of the previous occupants. Blech. Ultimately, though, Soi 6 is not for the squeamish.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words, the reports give me the chance to re-live the good times a little bit. Something I'll really appreciate at age 90, or maybe then I'll read them and be bitter I can't go back in time! I do wish I could get these out sooner, it's annoying that work actually gets in the way. I agree that a good deal of turnover at the gogos (and Soi 6?) would take place over the course of a few months, but I imagine it would be difficult for someone to find any one particular girl at a gogo, given the numbers and atmosphere; she would have to be pretty distinctive, like deaf Nuy, I think. At massage places after a couple months there's probably a better chance of the girl still being there, and again a better chance of actually finding her if desired.

Wildhawk, you're right, Soi 6 has a reputation, and I went with as much wariness as anticipation. As I wrote, as a newbie being there during Songkran was good timing, since everyone was distracted by the festivities so I didn't feel besieged by the girls (not that that's all bad) and ladyboys (worse) , less than on a normal day maybe. I'm really happy that the rooms I used weren't as dodgy as the ones you described; I was pleasantly surprised at the condition of the ones I had, and would even consider staying overnight in some of them.

Overall I'd call Soi 6 "hardcore" in the best sense of the word. Cozy hardcore? Everything was just so self contained, I liked the idea of all the different kinds of venues in one place (chill bars, themed ones like Lisa Bar, a few gogo's) plus the "normal" shops. Tailor, restaurants, etc. And it felt more intimate than the main Pattaya go-go and even beer bar scene, which can still seem overwhelming to me at times. As long as I'm making a comparison, I may as well mention that the girls in appearance and performance were as good as any I've seen elsewhere on this and previous Thailand trips. The big thing for me was that Soi 6 was a good mix of interesting (it definitely had some curious local characters) and friendly.

Could Soi 6 be the mongering version of Sesame Street or Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood?

And isn't it time that it had its own section?

[QUOTE=ItGirl;1303043]Yes. Great that you enjoy this city of smiles.[/QUOTE]It sure made me smile.

My lady and I ddecided to take an evening stroll along Walking Street. It was a pretty disappointing experience, as gawking tourists far outnumbered punters and WG. Howeveer, it was relatively early.

While we were walking up a side street, I spotted Windmills, and steered for it. But my lady steered me away, did not like the idea of it. We got to the end of the lane, turned right, then right again, into the next lane.

About 50 metres along, on our left, was a nondescript bar called Toyz Go Go. She was keen to go inside, so we did. Very few punters, quite a few girls sitting around.

There is a stage in the middle, with poles as usual. And 4 girls slowly dancing. They would rotate one off stage, one on, at each music change. There were maybe 9 dancers total. 3 naked. 3 with g-strings. 3 with bikinis.

2 of the naked dancers were just stunning; tall slim bodies, not an ounce of fat, pretty faces. Just exactly how I like them. The third would blow D Cup's mind. A bit shy of chubby, about average plus a bit, with a pair of real DD's, standing straight out like thunderbolts.

I tried to get an understanding of the barfine system, but it was too complicated for me to understand.

What a pity that herself was with me, a great opportunity gone wasted.

Gangles

Hello all,

Was wondering if you can find Eastern European girls (Russian, Romanian, Bulgarian.) girls in Pattaya to monger?

Actually when I was there in December and Janurary there were about a dozen African girls there. The black girl in that picture is usually on Walking street and is expensive. But she is there now as I talked to her on FB and she will be there for some time. She travels a bit but is back there now.

[QUOTE=Spoonieg25;1303571]Actually when I was there in December and Janurary there were about a dozen African girls there. The black girl in that picture is usually on Walking street and is expensive. But she is there now as I talked to her on FB and she will be there for some time. She travels a bit but is back there now.[/QUOTE]If you are taking a black girl (not Thai) back to your hotel they may not allow her in. Had this before and had to go to a short time hotel. I guess they like to keep it for the home team.

Strolling down the madness that is Soi 6 elicits multiple emotions: from jaw-dropping lust at the multiple options for adult fun, to abject shock."Fuck my ass?", one girl offered me, as I passed her by. What's not to love about this street? After spending a few days in the Walking Street Go-Gos (and, amazingly, starting to get bored) it is refreshing to see the true hard-core face of mongering in Asia, albeit with reduced middle-man, glitzy interference. Go-Go bars sell a dream, as well as pussy. But here on Soi 6 you have a bunch of eager girls, short-time rooms built in to the deal, and no fancy frills. If offered a stuck up yet stunning Go Go girl vs an average-looking Soi 6 naughty girl who will give you a wild run for your money, I'll probably go with the wild girl, at this point in my trip. It's not just the money you save; it's the ride, not the scenery along the way, that we remember.

As I almost reached the end of Soi 6, with my mind mentally reviewing the girls I had tagged for future meetings, my eye was caught by a smiling girl, sitting demurely outside her bar. Mid-twenties, with classic Thai cheekbones and lips, and a non-scamming attitude written all over her. I know where I am, but this shy little gem sparkled amidst the raunchy scenery. Of course, I'd soon find out that demure was only a cover for a ride that would take me to my edge. An edge that is no longer that impressive, I might add, now that I'm getting older.

I sat in her bar (does anyone even remember the name of these places?) and bought us both drinks. She immediately began to massage my hands, my forearms, and then moved up to my neck. We chatted, but it was unclear how much of my simplified English-accented sentences were understandable to her. The massage she was giving me was our real conversation, the necessary ice-breaker between our cultures. That smile of hers pulled me in, though, like a tractor beam in a sci-fi movie, as well as the way her hands drained the day's tensions away from my muscles. The air-con coolness of the bar, the lack of any pressure on me, plus my girl's massage (now moving to my upper thighs) , made the decision to LT bar fine her easy. Hell, I didn't even think of chewing down her first offer. 2K Baht is high, but I really didn't care.

On the taxi back to my hotel she pulled out her cheap phone and proudly showed me a photo of her with her 4-year old son, back in Isaan. Very cute, I told her. What surprised me was the up-front disclosure of her being a young mother. Later, when I saw her naked, her breasts would show the normal signs of breast feeding in many an Asian girl, but otherwise her sexy body was in great shape.

Once in the hotel the massage continued, this time minus my pants. Then she added some nail-grazing caressing to my skin, along with the firm Thai-style massaging of muscle. It was a sensual combination, a sheer delight. I've mongered for a few years in Asia, so I'm always impressed by a new experience, one that is out-of-the-ordinary. This was shaping up for one of those events.

I showered, and moved to the bedroom, and switched the movie she was watching in the lounge area to bedside. She tore herself away from the main TV, laughing, and playfully ducked her head down towards my robe. A quick lick on my testicles, and she was gone, to get her own shower. Yes, you are, indeed, demure and shy.

She positioned me on the bed so she could continue her massage of my thighs, and to watch her movie at the same time. Two minutes later her lips again brushed up against my balls, and licking commenced. Then sucking, interspersed with tongue action that would reduce most adult men to quivering jelly. She was a magnificent oral artist, a cunning linguist, a talented blow job master of her trade. And apparently tireless. Basically, she settled down between my legs and proceeded to blow me like a champion. And while watching her movie out of the corner of her eye. Did I care I didn't have her full attention? Not a bit; her half-attention was 200% better than a regular girls oral attention to me on this trip, thus far. I lay back, closed my eyes, and for the best part of an hour she smoked me to heaven. Awesome.

But at some point I really needed to fuck her. I mean, really, really. So out came the condom, which she brushed away, laughingly. More sucking and licking ensued, her mouth working its way below my balls and her tongue burrowing up into my anus. So much for shyness.

With extreme reluctance I pulled her head off me, and put on my penis raincoat. She had avoided any attempt for me to touch or lick her pussy, which was fine by me. Now, faced with my condom-encased dick, super-engorged from her efforts, she crouched over me and began to insert me. "Slowly, Ka", she commanded, and eased me into her tight little place. I'd been getting used to fake moans from Thai girls for the last few days, but her love-making sounds were the closest thing to being real. Surprisingly, "real" sex sounds from the girl add an essential element for me. I'm not willing to wager money on it, but this girl sounded like she was happy.

Fucking for Miss Demure was a frantic, piston-like activity, full of sound and fury with sex. She humped me like there was no tomorrow, like she expected me to explode any minute, or like she had not had sex for a while. My experience with other working girls suggests this was probably a strategy to get me to come fast, so she could get back to her movie. But it turned out she was all about giving a good service. After multiple positions, and tiring me out (damn it, I need to get back in shape) she pushed me back onto the mattress and began to suck again."I smoke you", she insisted. I do love a Thai girl who knows what she wants.

Later than morning I awoke wrapped around her, girl-friend style. My brain immediately began to caution me about becoming emotionally attached to this working girl. It's something I've done before, and leads to some predictable outcomes that involve increasing financial outlay along with decreasing satisfaction. The 3-Day Repeat-And-Then-Drop Rule is a good rule of thumb, albeit hard (in cases like this one) to stick to, when face to face with a hot item.

I booked her a second night, this time first taking her for a trip to Walking Street before heading back to the hotel. The blow job action was not as intense as the first night, but still amazing. Then, instead of playfully resisting my first effort to fuck her, she turned around and inserted me into her, reverse cowgirl. Loud sex sounds filled the room, with her cute little Thai ass bouncing away while I groaned and squirmed beneath her, panting like an idiot. Multiple positions followed, almost killing me in the process, until I saw her facial expression moved towards almost-losing-control territory. Either this girl was a master actress (this is where the good money is bet on) or, she was actually approaching her orgasm. As her efforts were clearly more about herself and not about me, there is an actual chance she came. After it was over, she pulled off me and leaned up against wall, panting, looking a little disorientated. Smoking hot, to be sure.

Tonight I have to make the big decision: see her one more time, or cut loose and run. It's a hard choice, because it may mean going back to boring-ass blow jobs for a while vs a girl who will guarantee to melt my eyeballs. Time will tell.

[QUOTE=Gunga Din; 1303752]Strolling down the madness that is Soi 6 elicits multiple emotions: from jaw-dropping lust at the multiple options for adult fun, to abject shock."Fuck my ass?", one girl offered me, as I passed her by. What's not to love about this street? After spending a few days in the Walking Street Go-Gos (and, amazingly, starting to get bored) it is refreshing to see the true hard-core face of mongering in Asia, albeit with reduced middle-man, glitzy interference. Go-Go bars sell a dream, as well as pussy. But here on Soi 6 you have a bunch of eager girls, short-time rooms built in to the deal, and no fancy frills. If offered a stuck up yet stunning Go Go girl vs an average-looking Soi 6 naughty girl who will give you a wild run for your money, I'll probably go with the wild girl, at this point in my trip. It's not just the money you save; it's the ride, not the scenery along the way, that we remember.

As I almost reached the end of Soi 6, with my mind mentally reviewing the girls I had tagged for future meetings, my eye was caught by a smiling girl, sitting demurely outside her bar. Mid-twenties, with classic Thai cheekbones and lips, and a non-scamming attitude written all over her. I know where I am, but this shy little gem sparkled amidst the raunchy scenery. Of course, I'd soon find out that demure was only a cover for a ride that would take me to my edge. An edge that is no longer that impressive, I might add, now that I'm getting older.

I sat in her bar (does anyone even remember the name of these places?) and bought us both drinks. She immediately began to massage my hands, my forearms, and then moved up to my neck. We chatted, but it was unclear how much of my simplified English-accented sentences were understandable to her. The massage she was giving me was our real conversation, the necessary ice-breaker between our cultures. That smile of hers pulled me in, though, like a tractor beam in a sci-fi movie, as well as the way her hands drained the day's tensions away from my muscles. The air-con coolness of the bar, the lack of any pressure on me, plus my girl's massage (now moving to my upper thighs) , made the decision to LT bar fine her easy. Hell, I didn't even think of chewing down her first offer. 2K Baht is high, but I really didn't care.

On the taxi back to my hotel she pulled out her cheap phone and proudly showed me a photo of her with her 4-year old son, back in Isaan. Very cute, I told her. What surprised me was the up-front disclosure of her being a young mother. Later, when I saw her naked, her breasts would show the normal signs of breast feeding in many an Asian girl, but otherwise her sexy body was in great shape.

Once in the hotel the massage continued, this time minus my pants. Then she added some nail-grazing caressing to my skin, along with the firm Thai-style massaging of muscle. It was a sensual combination, a sheer delight. I've mongered for a few years in Asia, so I'm always impressed by a new experience, one that is out-of-the-ordinary. This was shaping up for one of those events.

I showered, and moved to the bedroom, and switched the movie she was watching in the lounge area to bedside. She tore herself away from the main TV, laughing, and playfully ducked her head down towards my robe. A quick lick on my testicles, and she was gone, to get her own shower. Yes, you are, indeed, demure and shy.

She positioned me on the bed so she could continue her massage of my thighs, and to watch her movie at the same time. Two minutes later her lips again brushed up against my balls, and licking commenced. Then sucking, interspersed with tongue action that would reduce most adult men to quivering jelly. She was a magnificent oral artist, a cunning linguist, a talented blow job master of her trade. And apparently tireless. Basically, she settled down between my legs and proceeded to blow me like a champion. And while watching her movie out of the corner of her eye. Did I care I didn't have her full attention? Not a bit; her half-attention was 200% better than a regular girls oral attention to me on this trip, thus far. I lay back, closed my eyes, and for the best part of an hour she smoked me to heaven. Awesome.

But at some point I really needed to fuck her. I mean, really, really. So out came the condom, which she brushed away, laughingly. More sucking and licking ensued, her mouth working its way below my balls and her tongue burrowing up into my anus. So much for shyness.

With extreme reluctance I pulled her head off me, and put on my penis raincoat. She had avoided any attempt for me to touch or lick her pussy, which was fine by me. Now, faced with my condom-encased dick, super-engorged from her efforts, she crouched over me and began to insert me."Slowly, Ka", she commanded, and eased me into her tight little place. I'd been getting used to fake moans from Thai girls for the last few days, but her love-making sounds were the closest thing to being real. Surprisingly,"real" sex sounds from the girl add an essential element for me. I'm not willing to wager money on it, but this girl sounded like she was happy.

Fucking for Miss Demure was a frantic, piston-like activity, full of sound and fury with sex. She humped me like there was no tomorrow, like she expected me to explode any minute, or like she had not had sex for a while. My experience with other working girls suggests this was probably a strategy to get me to come fast, so she could get back to her movie. But it turned out she was all about giving a good service. After multiple positions, and tiring me out (damn it, I need to get back in shape) she pushed me back onto the mattress and began to suck again."I smoke you", she insisted. I do love a Thai girl who knows what she wants.

Later than morning I awoke wrapped around her, girl-friend style. My brain immediately began to caution me about becoming emotionally attached to this working girl. It's something I've done before, and leads to some predictable outcomes that involve increasing financial outlay along with decreasing satisfaction. The 3-Day Repeat-And-Then-Drop Rule is a good rule of thumb, albeit hard (in cases like this one) to stick to, when face to face with a hot item.

I booked her a second night, this time first taking her for a trip to Walking Street before heading back to the hotel. The blow job action was not as intense as the first night, but still amazing. Then, instead of playfully resisting my first effort to fuck her, she turned around and inserted me into her, reverse cowgirl. Loud sex sounds filled the room, with her cute little Thai ass bouncing away while I groaned and squirmed beneath her, panting like an idiot. Multiple positions followed, almost killing me in the process, until I saw her facial expression moved towards almost-losing-control territory. Either this girl was a master actress (this is where the good money is bet on) or, she was actually approaching her orgasm. As her efforts were clearly more about herself and not about me, there is an actual chance she came. After it was over, she pulled off me and leaned up against wall, panting, looking a little disorientated. Smoking hot, to be sure.

Tonight I have to make the big decision: see her one more time, or cut loose and run. It's a hard choice, because it may mean going back to boring-ass blow jobs for a while vs a girl who will guarantee to melt my eyeballs. Time will tell.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 is great although pretty quiet right now. If I need an itch scratched I hit Soi 6.

[QUOTE=UmichaLex; 1303558]Hello all,

Was wondering if you can find Eastern European girls (Russian, Romanian, Bulgarian.) girls in Pattaya to monger?[/QUOTE]Sure, there are a couple of clubs on Walking Street, you will see European girls stood outside but they are expensive.

[QUOTE=Gunga Din; 1303752]Strolling down the madness that is Soi 6 elicits multiple emotions: from jaw-dropping lust at the multiple options for adult fun, to abject shock."Fuck my ass?", one girl offered me, as I passed her by. What's not to love about this street? After spending a few days in the Walking Street Go-Gos (and, amazingly, starting to get bored) it is refreshing to see the true hard-core face of mongering in Asia, albeit with reduced middle-man, glitzy interference. Go-Go bars sell a dream, as well as pussy. But here on Soi 6 you have a bunch of eager girls, short-time rooms built in to the deal, and no fancy frills. If offered a stuck up yet stunning Go Go girl vs an average-looking Soi 6 naughty girl who will give you a wild run for your money, I'll probably go with the wild girl, at this point in my trip. It's not just the money you save; it's the ride, not the scenery along the way, that we remember.

. .

Tonight I have to make the big decision: see her one more time, or cut loose and run. It's a hard choice, because it may mean going back to boring-ass blow jobs for a while vs a girl who will guarantee to melt my eyeballs. Time will tell.[/QUOTE]Very nice report, makes me wish I could be getting back to Soi 6 soon. Also looking forward to seeing how your choice worked out!

[QUOTE=UmichaLex; 1303558]Hello all,

Was wondering if you can find Eastern European girls (Russian, Romanian, Bulgarian.) girls in Pattaya to monger?[/QUOTE]I can't tell you about the eastern european scene right now but when I was there in January there were plenty of Russian babes in walking street- it can be difficult to determine who is a tourist and who is a WG but just beware of the prices I got quoted anything between 4000k to 20000k bht LT. Yeah you read that right- I am a bit of a cheap charlie and had a budget of 2500k bht max for my lady friends so I just stuck to thai chicks.

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita;1303847]Very nice report, makes me wish I could be getting back to Soi 6 soon. Also looking forward to seeing how your choice worked out![/QUOTE]Did he used to write for Penthouse Forum?

[QUOTE=Cocopops77;1303862]Yeah you read that right- I am a bit of a cheap charlie and had a budget of 2500k bht max for my lady friends so I just stuck to thai chicks[/QUOTE]If you call 2500 being a cheap charlie then I must be a super cheap charlie.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1303934]If you call 2500 being a cheap charlie then I must be a super cheap charlie.[/QUOTE]Sorry guys meant to say 2500 bht not 2500k bht. I think I have Pattaya withdrawal symptoms.

[QUOTE=Simon36;1303843]Soi 6 is great although pretty quiet right now. If I need an itch scratched I hit Soi 6.[/QUOTE]Man, can you avoid in copying the whole post just to write a couple of lines of comment? Could delete 95% of it and no reference is lost.

[QUOTE=Gangles;1303499]I tried to get an understanding of the barfine system, but it was too complicated for me to understand.What a pity that herself was with me, a great opportunity gone wasted. Gangles[/QUOTE]What could be so complicated in a bar fine? At the worst it is two rates: one before and one after a certain time. Or it could be linked to ST vs. LT (very rare). What was the quote?

[QUOTE=Simon36;1303843]Soi 6 is great although pretty quiet right now. If I need an itch scratched I hit Soi 6.[/QUOTE]Learn how to edit the quotes or stop posting your snappy one-liners.

Slim

[QUOTE=Nvslim; 1304246]Learn how to edit the quotes or stop posting your snappy one-liners.

Slim[/QUOTE]I posted that Soi was good although pretty quiet at the minute. What's wrong with that?

Nothing is wrong with YOUR comment. It is the fact that you copied the whole long post as part of your feedback. When you could of just included a few lines and snipped (cut) most of it.

[QUOTE=Simon36;1304438]I posted that Soi was good although pretty quiet at the minute. What's wrong with that?[/QUOTE]

Simon36,

What they are trying to get across to you is this. You didn't really post about Soi6, YOU QUOTED Gunga Din POST! And responded to his report. What's wrong? There is no need to QUOTE the Whole post!

LBM

Simon 36.

If you are wondering WHY that matters I think it's about members who use smart phones and other small screens to keep up with the forum. But I'm just guessing on that. It must be a pain in the ass to scroll so much when they've already read the original post. If that's not it I don't know.

C4T

Sorry guys, I understand now. This forum operates differently to the one I am used to, I'll try not to quote posts when I am replying.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai; 1304614]Simon 36.

If you are wondering WHY that matters I think it's about members who use smart phones and other small screens to keep up with the forum. But I'm just guessing on that. It must be a pain in the ass to scroll so much when they've already read the original post. If that's not it I don't know. C4T[/QUOTE]That is a point and the risk is that the "one line comment" risks to be lost. There are so many "full quotes" with little comment that sometimes it ends up I skip the original message and read it in the quote: does not make sense!

Hi guys,

Pattaya looks to be the place for mongering. What about other activities? Do you think 3 days in Pattaya is enough (I'd like to spend some days between Bangkok and Pattaya)?

Thanks,

Have a good day.

[QUOTE=IAlvsg; 1304768]Hi guys,

Pattaya looks to be the place for mongering. What about other activities? Do you think 3 days in Pattaya is enough (I'd like to spend some days between Bangkok and Pattaya)?[/QUOTE]Hi, yes I would say 3 days is enough time in Pattaya, there are plenty of other things to do there. You could learn to scuba dive for one or take a day out at Million Year Stone Parkss, it's a nice day and some of the gardens are beautiful. It's a good place to take a girl, they generally appreciate a day or half day away from Pattaya.

There is a thread with some pics of it here [url]http://www.pattayafree.com/index.php/topic/2383-million-year-stone-park/[/url]

[QUOTE=IAlvsg; 1304768]Hi guys,

Pattaya looks to be the place for mongering. What about other activities? Do you think 3 days in Pattaya is enough (I'd like to spend some days between Bangkok and Pattaya)?

Thanks,

Have a good day.[/QUOTE]How many days can you handle decent / cheap sex.

Seriously though, there is other things to do.

Golf.

Rent a motorbike.

Get a boat to one of the islands.

Parasail.

Jet ski (just watch for scams)

Floating market.

Tiger Zoo.

Horseback riding.

Bowling.

Fishing snorkeling.

I can go on and on. Many things to do after your dick gets numb.

[QUOTE=IAlvsg; 1304768]Hi guys,

Pattaya looks to be the place for mongering. What about other activities? Do you think 3 days in Pattaya is enough (I'd like to spend some days between Bangkok and Pattaya)?[/QUOTE]There are plenty of things to do in both Pattaya and Bangkok. But if you come alone without any friends, then doing them isn't much fun.

If you come alone, then finding some female company is what you need to have fun. And getting intimately acquainted with the lady you like is usually more fun than going somewhere with her, when you don't know her that well and don't have much to talk about.

[QUOTE=Dan7373; 1305249]There are plenty of things to do in both Pattaya and Bangkok. But if you come alone without any friends, then doing them isn't much fun.

If you come alone, then finding some female company is what you need to have fun. And getting intimately acquainted with the lady you like is usually more fun than going somewhere with her, when you don't know her that well and don't have much to talk about.[/QUOTE]Don't most fellows go to Pattaya alone? I agree some of the things are no fun alone like bowling or golfing. I'm no expert on Pattaya but it seems a decent time can be had alone.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1305249]There are plenty of things to do in both Pattaya and Bangkok. But if you come alone without any friends, then doing them isn't much fun.[/QUOTE]Sorry Dan, I personally could not agree more. I always travel alone and I always have a fucking blast, especially in Pattaya!

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1305249]There are plenty of things to do in both Pattaya and Bangkok. But if you come alone without any friends, then doing them isn't much fun.[/QUOTE]Not much chance of staying alone in Pattaya for long.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1305192]Jet ski (just watch for scams)[/QUOTE]The problem is that by the time they become evident, you are already stuck in it.

Steer totally clear of jet skis, I say. Coworker of a good friend of mine was just scammed for $1000 recently, and is much too poor to be able to afford that kind of loss.

Well last night was the first night and as I walked down beach street on my way to Pizza Hut I ran into a forum super star. Na. I ran into her and I immediately got excited. It was like going to fuck your favorite porn star! Well she said she can do short time in a 100 baht hotel (real shitty) and pay her what I felt she was worth. Well she gave me a BBBJ then slide the condom on and got to work. She was surprisingly tight for her mileage. Her BBBJ. That left some to be desired as she she used some teeth. Either I am too big or her too little. Well I only had one condom for an hour. Needless to say there was a lot of sucking on her part. She offered me to cum anywhere on her body and it wasn't a bad experience. Might see her again before I leave but she said she is always in the area around Pizza Hut.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1305292]Sorry Dan, I personally could not agree more. I always travel alone and I always have a fucking blast, especially in Pattaya![/QUOTE]You mean you "disagree" right? If so, I agree with you, there's much fun to be had for the single traveler in Pats.

Hello guys, does anyone have a preference of spending a few days in Patts on the weekends or during the week? Or same same for the most part? I'm debating weather to go tomorrow for a few days or on Monday

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1305353]Hello guys, does anyone have a preference of spending a few days in Patts on the weekends or during the week? Or same same for the most part? I'm debating weather to go tomorrow for a few days or on Monday[/QUOTE]If you don't want crowds, go on Monday. Many more tourists and Bangkok residents on the weekend.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1305376]If you don't want crowds, go on Monday. Many more tourists and Bangkok residents on the weekend.[/QUOTE]On the other hand at the Coconut Bar you can often find rather more part time 'freelancers' from out of town on Friday evenings and through the weekend.

You pays your money and you makes your choice!

For me, Pattaya is GREAT at ANY time.

Enjoy,

(I do.)

Hotman.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1305350]You mean you "disagree" right? If so, I agree with you, there's much fun to be had for the single traveler in Pats.[/QUOTE]RM,

Thank you for the correction. I'm going on my 9th night in Pattaya and I stay in a confused state!

Thank you all for your answers about Pattaya activites. For you who have the experience of it, is it as easy to monger in Bangkok as in Bangkok?

If yes, I may spend more time in Bangkok than in Pattaya to have time to visit.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1305319]You decided against going to Pattaya? Seems indians are pack animals. Always see them in groupps. Maybe they always get a group discount. LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL. Is that why MBK smells so bad? The place is swarming with em!

[QUOTE=IAlvsg; 1305748]Thank you all for your answers about Pattaya activites. For you who have the experience of it, is it as easy to monger in Bangkok as in Bangkok?

If yes, I may spend more time in Bangkok than in Pattaya to have time to visit.[/QUOTE]Correction:

For those who have the experience of it, is it as easy to monger in Bangkok as in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=IAlvsg; 1305748]Thank you all for your answers about Pattaya activites. For you who have the experience of it, is it as easy to monger in Bangkok as in Bangkok?

If yes, I may spend more time in Bangkok than in Pattaya to have time to visit.[/QUOTE]I never had any problem to find a girl to my taste either in Bangkok or in Pattaya or Jomtien.

In Pattaya the fun starts earlier (early afternoon in Soi 6 and such) , Bangkok is more an evening and night kind of place, unless you go to the oilies or soapies or Eden Club. Those all start in the early afternoon too.

But if daylight open in-your-face on the street mongering opportunities are your kind of fun, Pattaya is rather unique.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1305874]I never had any problem to find a girl to my taste either in Bangkok or in Pattaya or Jomtien.

In Pattaya the fun starts earlier (early afternoon in Soi 6 and such) , Bangkok is more an evening and night kind of place, unless you go to the oilies or soapies or Eden Club. Those all start in the early afternoon too.

But if daylight open in-your-face on the street mongering opportunities are your kind of fun, Pattaya is rather unique.[/QUOTE]I see what you mean. That's a good info. Thank you guy.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1305874]In Pattaya the fun starts earlier (early afternoon in Soi 6 and such) , Bangkok is more an evening and night kind of place, unless you go to the oilies or soapies or Eden Club. Those all start in the early afternoon too.[/QUOTE]Dropped out to mention about "Devil's Dan". So far I can remember starts on 13. 30

Hi guys.

I am going to take cash with me. I'd like to open a bank account for the duration of my stay and may be close it when my holiday ends, which I heard is easily done. But, can I deposit foreign cash, or does it all have to be 1st converted to baht? And do you have a bank to recommend, or may be it doesn't matter.

[QUOTE=LovingAsia; 1306106]Hi guys.

I am going to take cash with me. I'd like to open a bank account for the duration of my stay and may be close it when my holiday ends, which I heard is easily done. But, can I deposit foreign cash, or does it all have to be 1st converted to baht? And do you have a bank to recommend, or may be it doesn't matter. [/QU.

In Pattaya the only Bank and Branch that seem to do it with little paperwork is Kasikorn (excuse the spelling if wrong, Green sign bank. The particular one is at Big C extra, formerly Carrefour located on Pattaya Klang. Go upstair the escalator and it is right in front and Home pro is on the right. Opens at 10am. They only need your passport and a pay receipt at the resident you are staying. Can be a resort, hotel, apartment etc. This branch doesn't seem to picky. They can also change your money, recently I brought back cash from the states. I compare their rates with the booth downstairs next to the donut shop and they were higher compare to Kasikorn. They were also much higher than a few other places I checked including their main branch on Second Road (Bangkok Bank. Kasikorn also has a booth outside the entrance to Big C. And their rates were lower than the booth inside.

Good luck,

LBM

Thanks for the info. So I did a search on google and found other people who recommend this bank. Someone mentioned a fee of 500B to get an atm card. Is this true?

[QUOTE=LovingAsia;1306154]Thanks for the info. So I did a search on google and found other people who recommend this bank. Someone mentioned a fee of 500B to get an atm card. Is this true?[/QUOTE]That might be true, I don't believe I paid that amount it was more like 100 baht. But like most thing in Thailand it could be different from bank to bank?

LBM

[QUOTE=IAlvsg;1305856]For those who have the experience of it, is it as easy to monger in Bangkok as in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]The short answer is yes. But Bangkok is a different mongering scene. More soapy and massage places. The SW / FL action is more concentrated. But the night time GoGo's are basically similiar. And the overall quality and price points are certainly higher in BKK.

Bangkok is a huge city compared to Pattaya, so if you want to primarily monger I would suggest staying near Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy. Personally I prefer Pattaya during the week and Bangkok on weekends. YMMV.

SunLover

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1306309]That might be true, I don't believe I paid that amount it was more like 100 baht. But like most thing in Thailand it could be different from bank to bank?

LBM[/QUOTE]It seems different even from branch to branch. I checked my records. I have on account with Kasikorn in Bangkok and one in Pattaya. In Pattaya (in 2010) they charged 100 for the card and 500 annual fee. In Bangkok I got the card for free (in 2008) and the annual fee is 200.

The nice thing is that when I wire money from Hong Kong to either account, it arrives within the same day when done in the morning.

Logistics:

I flew Cathay Pacific for the first time, a airline based out of Hong Kong. The fare was $1562 and the lay-overs in HK were short. I thought the service was excellent and had no issues with the carry-ons like I did with China Air last trip. The planes seemed to have a bit more leg room as well, or maybe I'm just getting shorter in my old age. The only complaint I had was the food; I thought it basically sucked.

From BKK to Pattaya I used Mr. Keak taxi service again for 1000 baht (including tolls) , and on the return, it was 900 baht. Both drivers were professional and on time, and they both blew down the highway; both trips were quick!

Money:

I cashed in just enough at the airport to set-up my phone, buy adult beverages for the trip, and pay the driver. The rate was just over 30 to 1 at the airport. In Pattaya, I was cashing in new crisps 100s and 50s, and got up to 31. 45 to 1 on several different days.

On the way to Pattaya, I started dialing for dollars and wasn't too pleased with the results. My first call; I'm married now. My second call worked out and she would meet me at the hotel when I arrived. But my third, fourth, fifth, and sixth calls; they were back home or the numbers were not in service. No worries, after all, I was headed for Pattaya.

Hotel: Stayed at the Penthouse once again and had a great stay; see short report in the PH thread. I'm surprised they keep letting me stay there considering I do my best to flood the room out each and every stay.

Day 1.

Showed up at the hotel and had one of my favorite girls in Pattaya waiting for me in the lobby. She is about goofy as hell, but just as passionate as well. She helped me unpack and then we fired up the jacuzzi. We played for a couple of hours; but I was wearing down quickly and needed some food. I headed over to Sin Bin for food and drinks.

Across from Sin Bin, there is a small massage place called,"The Best." So I figured I needed a massage to work the jet lag out of me and went over to check on the prices. Turns out a full hour with oil massage was 300 baht; sweet, let's do this. The massage was excellent and then she started rubbing near the Little Sailor. I told her that the Little Sailor already passed on earlier, but she could give it a whirl. The lady was relentless! The Little Sailor arose from the dead and had a second coming; all for 9 bucks!

In the evening I headed out to see the Mamasans and few of the girls. Stopped in Babydolls only to find out that Mamasan the moved on, but no one was sure where. Stopped by Baron to see Luk, but no such luck; she wasn't there. Stopped in the X-Zone to see Tuk; struck out again! I was told by one of the servers at X-Zone that Mamasan Miki was now working in a new club called Relax, which is just below the X-Zone. It turned out that she is part owner of the new club. She had some of the X-Zone and Baron girls working for her and she seemed happy with her new home. Last stop was in Champion to check on Mamasan Sue. Sue was doing great, but business was slow and she did not appear to have the line-up of hotties as she did last December.

Day 2.

Village Girl Meets the Penthouse

As I was eating and drinking at Sin Bin, I could see most of Soi 13/3 and noticed a nice ass at one of the food carts, so I headed into the street to get a better look. It was a girl that worked in one of the smaller bars grabbing some chow. I went back to her bar and chatted for a bit. It turned out she arrived in Pattaya from her village only a few months ago. I asked Mamasan for the pricing and was told 800 for ST onsite, and 1600 for LT offsite. I told Mama that I only wanted to play with her for 2-3 hours, but the price remained the same; I needed more than ST with this ass for sure, let's go.

I stopped at Family Mart for some refreshments and up to the loom we went. After we got in the loom, I opened her beer, put in a straw as she wanted, and then I just watched. She walked around and was trying to take it all in. The jacuzzi, the high bed with mirror ceiling, the dance pole, and then she checked out the fuck swing. Then she finally sat down and she had this overwhelming look in her eyes, and then broke into a huge smile; she seemed quite pleased. I was in no hurry and made sure she felt quite relaxed; tequila helped in this process as well.

Then I fired up the jacuzzi and added extra Mr. Bubble! She loved the bubbles and played like a kid with them for a good 30 minutes; then she unleashed on my old dumb ass. It was one of the best jacuzzi fucks of my life, but she wasn't done there. She gave me the eye movement towards the bed and away we went. She hopped up on me and rode me like a jockey riding Seabiscuit! I'm sure if she spoke English, she would have yelled "Giddy up God dammit!" Then, she flipped us over, slapped my ass, and continued to hurt me!

Afterwards she passed out with her head on my lap while I was sitting up gasping for air, an oxygen bottle would have came in handy at that point. She started snoring like a cartoon character, and that was the point when I decided she would not be sleeping over. I was about to just let her sleep while I got up and did something else, but then I realized, I was fucking dead tired as well. So we both slept for a couple of hours. After feeding her from room service, I sent her packing.

Round 2?

Already worn out, I was hanging out with Ian at Sin Bin and we were chatting to some other guests as well. It was getting late and I was tired and was about to head back to the hotel. Ian stopped me and said that he wanted me to meet this hottie that was in route to his bar. I'm thought that there was no way in hell I wanted to meet anyone at that point, but that was before the beauty with a short yellow dress stepped off the motorcycle. All of the sudden, I was feeling better and not so tired after all. We sat and chatted and then she got a call from her best friend, and she wanted to come over to the bar as well. Her friend showed up pretty drunk and immediately latched on to me and would not back off. Oh, it's dilemma time! I had Ian take one for the team and he helped to pry her loose from my body.

When her friend was in the bathroom, the hottie and I darted off to the hotel. The hottie loved the loom and then I asked her the $10, 000 question,"Do you know what this horizontal bar is for that is above the bed?" She replied,"I think so." Then she hopped up on the bed, straddled a pillow while hanging onto the bar, turned and smiled at me and asked,"I'm I right?" I could only respond with three words,"I love you!" She didn't leave until around six in the morning.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2; 1306311]The short answer is yes. But Bangkok is a different mongering scene. More soapy and massage places. The SW / FL action is more concentrated. But the night time GoGo's are basically similiar. And the overall quality and price points are certainly higher in BKK.

Bangkok is a huge city compared to Pattaya, so if you want to primarily monger I would suggest staying near Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy. Personally I prefer Pattaya during the week and Bangkok on weekends. YMMV.

SunLover[/QUOTE]I'm going to get closer to the Bangkok thread to learn more about theses soapy and massage places. Thank you!

Day 3:

Started out getting a massage at "The Best." Different massage girl, younger and with better hands, and she didn't offer up the Happy Ending, but then again, it was the last thing I needed after the last couple of days anyway.

I got a lead on Mamasan the, someone told me she was working at a new club in Soi LK Metro called Queen. Never ventured to LK Metro; this new information gave me reason to go. It's too bad I chose a night when the rain decided to downpour all night!

Queen:

Really nice place, with a few hot dancers. Not the dancers that just grab the poles and wiggle their hips back and forth with the music, but a few that could really dance. I was told Mama the moved on, disappointed that I didn't see her, but at least I think I got a decent lead.

Club Blu:

I vote this club has the most uncomfortable chairs in the entire world! My first one was awkward and the second one was slanted to the right. No worries, there was not enough talent in there to keep my interest for longer than a half of a drink.

The Office:

Quite a lively place and a lot more entertaining than the silly TV show. There were a good amount of hotties in the crowd. I took my time and drink slowly in that place.

Champagne:

Also lively with a good crowd. I liked the girls taking a shower in the display case. If you are searching for some clean girls, grab one of these gals because they were scrubbing up for at least 30 minutes. They were scrubbing from the time when I came in until when I left; who knows how long they were in there! I was a bit distracted in the club because this 400+ pound fuck decided he needed half of my space for his flesh to hang out. I overheard him tell his friends that he was hungry; go figure!

As I was walking back in the rain through Soi 13/2, I saw a bar called "Three Ladies Bar." I'm throwing the bullshit flag on this place because I only saw two ladies.

The Only Threesome:

Tired of the rain, I decided to end my night at the Kitten Club. I was reunited with several of my Christmas party kittens, but had no plans to throw such a party this trip. I settled with one of them and was about to head up to the loom when I was introduced to a new kitten. It turned out she was a family member of one of the managers, so the hell with it, a threesome was on! They played well together and both of them gave their best effort to give me a heart attack; but I survived!

Day 4.

Started out quite late because I didn't wake up until 4 in the afternoon; pretty damn worn out at this point. But I figure I would rest up if and when I returned home.

I wanted to visit an old Pattaya friend, Mon, that used to work at the Beer Garden, but now works at some restaurant on Third Road. On the phone she said the restaurant was near the Buffalo Bar and I asked where in the hell was the Buffalo Bar located and she replied,"Everyone knows where the Buffalo Bar is located." So I replied,"So I guess I'm the only fucking idiot in the world that doesn't know the location of Buffalo Bar!" No reply. I looked it up and had a thought as to where to go.

It was a nice cool evening, so I walked, not realizing how far the place actually was. Buffalo Bar seemed like a unique place. ST rooms were available onsite for 300 baht and many of the girls were asking for 1000 for ST. One of the girls with a name tag that said "On" helped me locate the restaurant. She asked my name and I told her it was "Off." She became real interested in me when I told her where I was staying and promised all sorts of goodies if I returned and barfined her. I told her I would ponder the idea over dinner.

The Sprinkler!

After dinner, I went back to Buffalo Bar, grabbed "On", and then we took motorbikes back to the hotel. I put on the adult channel and then fired up the jacuzzi. After a couple of tequila shots, I noticed she was playing with herself while sitting on the bed. She smiled at me and she said,"I'm horny, can we get in the jacuzzi now?" The bubbles were high and the jets were blasting away. I never had a lady react to the jacuzzi jets like she did. She would flip her legs over the tub and just let the jets put her into lala land and suck me at the same time; we had a fucking blast.

We headed for the bed and she gave me fair warning that she loves to squirt and I would have to change the sheets afterwards. My thoughts. 24 housekeeping service; bring it on sweetie! She would ride me for a few minutes, then lift off, slap her pussy, and then explode; juices flew everywhere! This continued for over an hour; the bed and I were soaked. It was the same in the doggy position, she would pull away from my cock, slap her pussy, and then explode.

I was standing and had her ass pulled to the edge of the bed with her legs in the air the last time she squirted, hell, she even got the mirrors over the bed wet! And then there was another discovery. That is when she told me that she loves to be fucked in the ass and politely asked if I could help her out with this request. I replied,"Um, I guess I could just this once." After two solid hours of hardcore playing, I asked her to marry me. We will make a great couple, but I will need to waterproof the furniture before she moves in.

Sent her off and went to track down Mamasan the. I heard she was now at Spankys. As soon as I walked in the place, Mama the and I spotted each other at the same time. She did this half-ass version of the Lambeau Leap and we both almost went tumbling because she is not on the slender side to say the least. I liked Spankys! There was a good selection of girls and they seemed excited about working there; quite a playful atmosphere as well. I hung out to watch the lesbian show and to check out the entire line up; I would return for sure.

RIP X-Zone:

I stopped in the place for my final time while looking for Tuk. The place went to hell in a handbag since it was bought out. Hell, a couple of the not so good looking servers are now performers; management and recruiting sucks at this point. I see no reason to step in the place anymore.

Went down to visit Miki and friends at Relax. Miki seems to know how to treat her girls and the customers. I always buy the first round, but she will always buy the second round. I had an absolute spinner jump up and sit next to me, gave me a big beautiful smile, and then reached into my shorts to play with the Little Sailor, who I thought was killed off by the Sprinkler, but sprung back to life for the spinner; I liked her. After two, barfines were half the price, so off to the loom we went. The spinner played well for the camera and in bed!

Tom, I dug your report. You know how to party. I will be in Pattaya in a little over 2 months. I can't wait to hook up with old friends and make new ones. Funniest part of your post: The Buffalo Bar Sprinkler! Please invite me to the wedding. I will take care of the wet bar.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1306672]We headed for the bed and she gave me fair warning that she loves to squirt and I would have to change the sheets afterwards. My thoughts. 24 housekeeping service; bring it on sweetie! She would ride me for a few minutes, then lift off, slap her pussy, and then explode; juices flew everywhere! This continued for over an hour; the bed and I were soaked. It was the same in the doggy position, she would pull away from my cock, slap her pussy, and then explode.

I was standing and had her ass pulled to the edge of the bed with her legs in the air the last time she squirted, hell, she even got the mirrors over the bed wet! And then there was another discovery. That is when she told me that she loves to be fucked in the ass and politely asked if I could help her out with this request. I replied,"Um, I guess I could just this once." After two solid hours of hardcore playing, I asked her to marry me. We will make a great couple, but I will need to waterproof the furniture before she moves in.[/QUOTE]Which girl is in picture 'Patts2012July1 028. JPG'? Nice.

Hey guys,

So what do you guys do to manage your money to support your daily mongering habit?

In the DR I could easily survive with an ATM machine about every 3 days as the daily mongering and life costs are a whole lot less.

But in the Thailand my chicken scratch budget is coming to $250 / day and my visa handles the fixed hotel cost. It does not seem right or convenient to be playing with the ATMs every single day.

So what do you do or how do you handle things when the constant need for more money comes into play on a very frequent basis?

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1306725]Hey guys,

So what do you guys do to manage your money to support your daily mongering habit?

In the DR I could easily survive with an ATM machine about every 3 days as the daily mongering and life costs are a whole lot less.

But in the Thailand my chicken scratch budget is coming to $250 / day and my visa handles the fixed hotel cost. It does not seem right or convenient to be playing with the ATMs every single day.

So what do you do or how do you handle things when the constant need for more money comes into play on a very frequent basis?[/QUOTE]The daily mongering habit is about the same as the DR or even less in Pattaya. For $250 a day, that should be more than enough for the hotel, food, and 2-3 women a day.

Once I blew through my cash, the ATMs are more than sufficient. I was pulling out 10, 000 bath per each transaction.

In Pattaya, there is no real need to get money to play on a very frequent basis.

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1306725]Hey guys,

So what do you guys do to manage your money to support your daily mongering habit?

In the DR I could easily survive with an ATM machine about every 3 days as the daily mongering and life costs are a whole lot less.

But in the Thailand my chicken scratch budget is coming to $250 / day and my visa handles the fixed hotel cost. It does not seem right or convenient to be playing with the ATMs every single day.

So what do you do or how do you handle things when the constant need for more money comes into play on a very frequent basis?[/QUOTE]Right now your $250. 00 is worth 31x1 = 7750 baht.

Hotel. 1500 baht a day = 6250 left.

LBM

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1306725]So what do you guys do to manage your money to support your daily mongering habit?[/QUOTE]I develop a game plan budget before I leave home, and bring enough cash to cover that. Pristine $100 USD are the best accepted and bring the highest exchange rates. If I need more money than that I go the ATM route.

SunLover

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1306873]Hotel. 1500 baht a day[/QUOTE]I do not consider a room for 1500bht a "hotel". IMO it's a called motel, guest house or whatever and in the most cases it's a rathole without any amenities. Clean if you're lucky.

A real hotel is arond 100 USD and more, it's a fact.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;1306886]A real hotel is around 100 USD and more, it's a fact.[/QUOTE]I don't know much about $50 rooms in Pattaya, but I do know Pattaya has a lot of hotel options at various price points. I prefer the Marriott, but when I can't get the $118 rate (due to a convention or some other short term demand situation), I find the Tim Boutique and the Areca Lodge as more than acceptable alternatives with substantial savings thrown in. All I really want from a hotel / motel is girl friendly with a security safe, clean, quiet, and a good swimming pool.

Marriott 4.25* around $118 – good hotel and location. Great swimming pool.

Tim Boutique 3.5* $66 – not as good as the Marriott but pretty good. Quiet, friendly and nice rooftop pool.

Areca Lodge 3.5* $76 for the 60sq meter luxury family suite. Acceptable motel style hotel, huge room with good pool and interesting location.

[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1306886]I do not consider a room for 1500bht a "hotel". IMO it's a called motel, guest house or whatever and in the most cases it's a rathole without any amenities. Clean if you're lucky.

A real hotel is arond 100 USD and more, it's a fact.[/QUOTE]Ekspat's opinions are all facts. Have you seen that website Wikipedia? He wrote that.

IDK, I always find decent digs for around 1500 baht. Never had a problem. AC, safe, clean room. I'd rather use my extra money on girls!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1306748]The daily mongering habit is about the same as the DR or even less in Pattaya. For $250 a day, that should be more than enough for the hotel, food, and 2-3 women a day.

Once I blew through my cash, the ATMs are more than sufficient. I was pulling out 10, 000 bath per each transaction.

In Pattaya, there is no real need to get money to play on a very frequent basis.[/QUOTE]How much do you normally bring over in cash? Could my plans be a little extravagant? From what I can tell:

Pulling two Devils Den girls will run you 6500 alone overnight, or $215. I don't think a pair of Baccara girls are that far behind either. Earlier in the day and before this I can see myself taking a couple BJs at 700x2= $50 So that is where I am coming up with these numbers.

I know a lot of you guys are pulling freelancers and some lower end girls so I understand why the costs I quote seem pretty crazy. The flip side is I don't see this as a frequent topic on these threads meaning few need a plan to live the way I describe.

Why is a $50 place is not up to par with a hotel? I have seen plenty online in the 50-$60 range that look pretty luxurious and there are posts here from people who have been there to back it up. The penthouse comes to mind and Sea me Spring. At this time of year the costs seem reasonable.

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1306967]How much do you normally bring over in cash? Could my plans be a little extravagant? From what I can tell:

Pulling two Devils Den girls will run you 6500 alone overnight, or $215. I don't think a pair of Baccara girls are that far behind either. Earlier in the day and before this I can see myself taking a couple BJs at 700x2= $50 So that is where I am coming up with these numbers.

I know a lot of you guys are pulling freelancers and some lower end girls so I understand why the costs I quote seem pretty crazy. The flip side is I don't see this as a frequent topic on these threads meaning few need a plan to live the way I describe.

Why is a $50 place is not up to par with a hotel? I have seen plenty online in the 50-$60 range that look pretty luxurious and there are posts here from people who have been there to back it up. The penthouse comes to mind and Sea me Spring. At this time of year the costs seem reasonable.[/QUOTE]I never pulled girls from Devils Den, no need for it IMHO. In Pattaya, you are talking about 40+ thousand women, and many different venues. The open beer bars, gogo bars, the regular Soi bars, the free lancers at the Beer Garden, Bamboo, discos, and Beach Road. There are so many options it will make your head spin!

The Penthouse has rooms at all price ranges, so no issues there.

There is also Soi 6/7 for fun and giggles. Don't sweat it; just go and have a fucking blast!

PM me with any specific questions.

Day 5:

Started out the afternoon with the Happy Ending massage lady at "The Best." Figure I would take the edge off right away; why wait! Later, Ian and I decided to hit up some clubs; boys night out.

Started out at Iron. We sat in the middle of the place so we could check out all the action, but the real hotties were in the back of the club. And there were quite of few hotties throughout the club! They also had some outstanding pole dancers on the back stage. There is a tub in the middle of the place and there were a couple of girls that were really good at working the rings above the tub. One of the girls would go from ring to ring with her feet while doing splits; fell in love with her.

Next up Baccara. Got there just in time for the four girl lesbian show. It was actually choreographed quite good. Towards the end of the show, all the girls had their tongues in each other's pussies at every different angle and possibility; I was impressed. I fell in love with a great dancer (my weakness) and she knew I was watching her the entire time she was on stage. When she finished, she walked directly over to me and gave me a light kiss. During a drink, prices were discussed. 600 BF. 2000 ST (1 Hour).3000 LT. I passed because I knew she would be the death of me; what a hot woman!

Happy was next. We were seated at the stage, got our drinks, and then watched beauty by beauty dance by us. But at one point, Ian asked me,"Are you as bored as I am?" And fuck, I was! I mean once you have been to Babydolls, Windmill, Iron, and other clubs like those, Happy seems extremely tame and it takes time to readjust to the tameness; we left after one drink.

It was Saturday night and Iron, Baccara, and Happy were all packed and I was tired of the crowds, so we headed to Relax to chat with Miki and to play with some of her girls. Plenty of room and just enough girls to keep us entertained. After a couple of hours, we headed back to Ian's place, Sin Bin, which seems to stay open 24 hours a day.

Day 6. Burnout Syndrome has Arrived!

While sitting, eating, and drinking in Sin Bin in the late afternoon, I wanted a massage, but I was just too damn lazy to get up and cross the street. So I had one of "The Best" girls come across the street and give me a neck and shoulders massage while I sat in the seat which my ass seemed to be glued into.

Later in the evening, I decided to stop into Walking Street Disco, because I've never been there before. I tried to get in the place over a year ago, but they would not let me in because I was wearing flip-flops and shorts, which is my "Uniform of the Day" in Pattaya. This time they did not seem to care what I was wearing. Unlike the I Bar, which seems to cater to the younger crowd, WSD seems to cater to the late 20s and early 30s ladies, which was fine with me. And there were many women available.

While in WSD, I ran into a women that I met at Sin Bin, named Pa, her part-time boyfriend just left to go back to Europe a couple of days ago. She was with a cute, but kind of a butchy looking girl. We started doing shots while chatting and dancing. Pa said that she wanted to see and touch beautiful naked women and she was sure I would know where to find them. I was shocked that she thought I was that kind of person; yeah right! So off we went, first stop was Iron.

We sat in the middle and the girls seemed quite happy. Pa said she wanted to buy 3 different girls lady drinks and she said that she would pay. My guess is that the European left her was some decent money. She pointed out the girls to the server and automatically, the server grabbed my check and was going to add the drinks on my bill. I stopped him and explained that Pa was paying for the drinks; not me. Well, he tried to grab my bill again and I told Pa to explain to him that she was paying. She said,"I already told him!" I replied,"Yes you did, but you told him in English! Both are you are Thai, right? Tell him in your language dammit!" That seemed to work.

Pa talked and played with the 3 girls and anytime I got near, she would smile and yell,"They are all mine!" After about an hour, we moved on to Baccara, but it was late and the upper stage was not operating. The 3 of us sat in the comfy chairs at the stage. At one point, they let the upper stage ladies dance on the lower stage. And the girls were cute, but nothing when compared with the main stage ladies. Many of them don't get barfined and I'm sure make very little money. So I decided to buy 1000 baht worth of ping pong balls and let the two girls throw them out. And the girls were very considerate and caring when throwing the balls out. They made sure each girl on stage all received about the same amount of balls; I was impressed.

We decided to end the night at Relax where both of the girls decided they would get up on the stage and dance with the other girls. Pa proposed that she would strip on stage if I gave her 1000 baht. I told her I could fuck her for 1000 baht, so why in the hell would I want to pay her to strip on stage! Another spinner in the club kept me company while the girls were on stage acting foolish. It was well after two and the barfine was half price, so I grabbed the spinner, said goodbye to the girls, and headed to the loom for jacuzzi / rack operations.

Day 7/8:

Day seven was a complete blur; not really sure what in the hell happen that day. I do remember going into Walking Street Disco and exchanging a few phone numbers. I also stopped in the Bamboo Bar a couple of times; another freelance place with live crappy music.

Day eight I made my rounds to a few of my favorite clubs, and even thought about giving The Sprinkler a call for some more juice follies. I ended up in Iron and barfined one of the performers that I really liked for ST, which turned out to be 2-3 hours. Mamasan told her that she had to return to work, so not to drink too much; yeah, that happened! We were doing tequila shots the entire time in the loom, but I give her credit, she seemed to handle the drinks quite well. The girl was a lot of fun in the loom. She surprised me when she threw up my legs and planted her tongue in my ass; I yelled,"BINGO!" She failed to make the connection.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1307120]Day 6. Burnout Syndrome has Arrived![/QUOTE]Sounds like your batteries were running low, LOL. It happens to the best of us. Now once in a while, a really sexy girl can recharge me on the fly so to speak and I become the Energizer Bunny, but usually when my battery count gets low, even though girls will tell me they can give me the power, it usually takes a day or two off to regain full strength. It sounds like you recovered by day 8.

By the way, I know you took a girl or two out of Relaxxx Go Go. This is a new bar that opened sometime in 2011. I have never been there, but I have heard a few vague yet positive things about the place, like it has a some nice girls, multiple stages, table top dancers, and Jacuzzi. Can you elaborate a little on it – give us your take on Relaxxx. I will try to check it out when I am in Pattaya in October.

On the way to Peppermint to make good on a promised barfine tonight, I was a little early and stopped in at Iron for the first time this trip. Sat in the back and there was a group of about 8 dancers in white lingerie. I couldn't stop staring at a very tall very slim sensual dancer.

I walked up to the stage and gave her 100 Baht tip and thought that was the end of it since I was going to leave for Peppermint. Her set ended a minute later and she came and sat next to me. Her English was limited at best, but I did understand her name, that she was 19, and from Udon Thani.

Trying to make some conversation, I asked her how long she had been working at Iron. Next thing I know she stands up and brings the mamasan over. The mamasan 'confirms' that I want to bar fine her long time and that the barfine is 1, 200 and the girl gets 3, 000. I was stunned, but after thinking about it for a second, I thought why not.

So I pay for my Coke and the barfine. Never got to the point of buying her a drink. She changes to a nice dress and we are out of Iron. She is very affectionate on the way to the hotel and says how much she likes farungs.

At the hotel she tells me to shower, then half way through she joins me. Not a kisser, but otherwise good in bed. We finish and I clean up. After she comes out of the bathroom she gets dressed. I've had runners, but this one surprised me. Then with a sweet smile she asks for 3, 000!

I tell her 3, 000 is for long time and this certainly isn't long time. I mentioned that the mamasan said 3, 000 long time and utters one word, 'morning' and climbs back into bed with her clothes on and unmutes the television. She rests her head on my chest and puts one arm around me. This girl can change her demeanor in milliseconds.

On my notebook I use google translate to tell her either stay and take your clothes off, or leave and that I will talk to the mamasan tomorrow. I offer 1, 000 to leave. She tells me short time is 2, 000. I tell her the mamasan never mentioned short time 2, 000 and she was only here an hour. She gets out of bed and grabs her phone and I think perhaps tried or feigned trying to call her mamasan. I take 1, 000 and tell her to go. She throws it back on the bed and heads out the door but the door doesn't close. In half a minute she is back in the room, getting into bed and wants me to unzip her dress.

I've had enough. I use google again to tell her to go and that I'm calling security to take her out of the room. She gets up starts crying a little. I take the 1, 000 and hold it out for her. She takes it, mutters something in Thai, but all I could make out was her name and 'tomorrow' and then leaves.

With her antics there is no way I wanted her to stay until morning. I figure that 1, 000 for a great lay from an Iron performer was a good deal. Still not too late to go to Peppermint for my promised barfine. All is well that ends well.

Roong Reuang Coach, located, Exit 8 on the 1st level. Just prior to the exit on your right is a desk: BUSES TO PATTAYA. Buy your ticket. 134b

Buses appear to leave on the hour. There are various stops once in Pattaya.

A reminder: Still the simplest means of transfer to Central Bangkok from Suvarnabhumi Airport is to head up to 'Depatures', drop-off area and wait for taxi. Ask the driver to run the metre, should not cost you more than 400b at most.

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1306725]Hey guys,

So what do you guys do to manage your money to support your daily mongering habit?

In the DR I could easily survive with an ATM machine about every 3 days as the daily mongering and life costs are a whole lot less.

But in the Thailand my chicken scratch budget is coming to $250 / day and my visa handles the fixed hotel cost. It does not seem right or convenient to be playing with the ATMs every single day.

So what do you do or how do you handle things when the constant need for more money comes into play on a very frequent basis?[/QUOTE]I usually budget for $150 a day, above the fixed hotel cost. Seems more than enough for my many beers, bar girl drinks, meals and 1. 2 pops a day. I have used the ATM across from the Hot Tuna Bar (next to what else; 7-11) on walking street and never had any problems. As noted, $100 and $50 bills US, bring the highest exchange rate. Supposedly, using a debit at an ATM gets you a better exchange rate than using a credit card. Just make sure you let your bank know the dates your going so they don't cancel your card.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1307341]By the way, I know you took a girl or two out of Relaxxx Go Go. This is a new bar that opened sometime in 2011. I have never been there, but I have heard a few vague yet positive things about the place, like it has a some nice girls, multiple stages, table top dancers, and Jacuzzi. Can you elaborate a little on it – give us your take on Relaxxx. I will try to check it out when I am in Pattaya in October.[/QUOTE]I've been in Relax when it was under a different name. It looks the same as it did before. There is a tub on your left when you walk in, and there is only one stage, it is big and the girls have to climb to get on it. All of the seating is elevated so you can see everything that is going on throughout the club.

The big difference would be that Mamasan Miki owns 50% of the place and she is proud of it. I've known her for 10+ years and I know she really cares for the girls and the customers. After 2, the barfine is only 300 baht. She has some hotties working there and her head server, Nid, is one of the best servers in the country, IMHO.

But do check it out for yourself and please report back your thoughts.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1307481]I just don't understand why guys go long time without going short time first! Can someone exxplain.[/QUOTE]Harold,

It is "explain" not "exxplain". It seems your "x" key is sticking. Have you been going too much to "XXX" sites again?

But all silliness aside, you actually asked a pertinent question.

Personally, I always take a girl back to my room on a LT basis. For starters it is just more economical. For the small extra price you pay, you get to enjoy her a whole night, which of course translates to a few pops before going to sleep and once more in the morning. There is no time pressure as she does not "calculate" to go back to her bar and score another ST and besides I really like to have a cutie next to me, even when sleeping. It is much nicer than cuddling my teddy-bear at home. :)

Of course, you run the risk that she is a starfish or even downright nasty, but I never had such disappointments yet. Maybe I am just lucky or perhaps I have great pre-session interview skills. That is the reason I pick my ladies from agogo-bars: you get to see the wares, for the price of a lady-drink you can chat with them and explain your wishes and even sample already some of her charms. The way they move on the stage, the way they chat with you, the way they react to you, ... All these things are invaluable to gauge their "value".

Actually, my best sessions happened when the girl more or less chooses me rather than the other way around. I am a fairly unassuming guy and one of my talents is to disappear in the background, like a human chameleon. If I don't signal the server-girl, she might not even notice me and fails to ask me what I'd like to drink. Kudos for the girl that nevertheless notices me. Sometimes they just come by and start to chat and more often than not a deal is quickly made thereafter and as I said above, I never regretted it.

As I rarely go for a repeat performance, getting a girl for ST first and later get her again on a LT basis is not something what fits within my modus operandi.

So to summarize my answer: I like diversity and never yet had a bad LT experience.

It would be interesting to know what other members think about this matter.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1307481]I just don't understand why guys go long time without going short time first! Can someone exxplain.[/QUOTE]I'd like to know what guys do with the LT partners outside of the sex act. Seems like a lot of babysitting and fake romance to me.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1307571]I'd like to know what guys do with the LT partners outside of the sex act. Seems like a lot of babysitting and fake romance to me.[/QUOTE]To each there own. I dont hang out in bars, so a good LT can be a lot of fun. I take them to the hotel pool, go to movies, out to eat, motorbike rides, etc..

I dont buy shoes without trying them on. So I never take LT unless we fuck first.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1307482]1200 barfine and its not even a holliday! I think the mama and the girl saw you as a weiner!

Once the deameanor chnges for the worst its time to end it. You know they see you only as a peace of meet. LOL.[/QUOTE]I'd like to be able to say you are wrong, but unfortunately in this case you are right.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1307482]You know they see you only as a peace of meet. LOL.[/QUOTE]You seriously have some spelling problems. [B]peace of meet[/B] Should be [red] [B]piece of meat[/red] [/B]

I was hanging with Ian and company at Sin Bin in the afternoon when I got this strange text message. It read,"Where are you? I miss you?" I texted back,"Who in the hell is this?" It turns out it was one of the girls from Walking Street Disco, and I done forgot what in the hell she looked like. She wanted to join me at Sin Bin and asked where the place was. Hell, it wasn't more than 30 minutes later, she showed up on her motorbike with her friend. When I saw her, I did remember her, but she looked a lot better in the dark club.

We started shooting pool and her friend played with her phone the entire time. I fed them and bought them a couple of beers; they seemed friendly enough. Then her friend went out a bought a large bottle of Thai whiskey; here we go! The girls started doing shots and offered me some as well, I declined. As time when on, my girl became more aggressive and possessive towards me. I did not what to deal with it so I told her I had an appointment for a massage across the street (didn't really) and she did not care for that news whatsoever. I skipped across the street, grabbed my Happy Ending pal, and headed upstairs.

I thought they would pack up and leave while I was away for an hour. But I looked out the window of the massage place, and they were still planted at the bar. I went back to the bar and the girl was pissed and the bottle of whiskey was about finished. She tried to scold me and I stopped her short and said,"Listen, I bought both of you some food, some beers, and I don't even know your fucking names! So back the fuck off!" I told them I was going to the hotel to take a shower and that didn't go over well either. The girl bit me on the shoulder, which I'm still bruised from. I didn't return to the bar until late night, but I was told the girls waited another two hours for me to return.

That night I made my rounds and said my goodbyes to old and new friends. It was a nice way to end the trip.

Final Thoughts:

For it being low season, I thought that Pattaya was pretty busy. For those of you that frequent the Coconut Bar, the competition was fierce between the ladies; there was a butt load of them. Even when it rained, the girls were out and equipped with umbrellas. I actually saw some real cuties up and down beach road this trip.

Even though some of my favorite girls were not around, it was quite easy to establish new favorites; the place is busting with honeys of all shapes and sizes. If you can't find something you like in Pattaya, well then you would be on the wrong continent. SEA is well represented in Pattaya. I've always found the place safe and never had any issues walking / stumbling around in the LOS over the past 35 years. Yes, it is getting more expensive, but so is the cost of living in general. In our hobby, it is still one of the best bargains this world has to offer; IMHO!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1307558]Harold,

Personally, I always take a girl back to my room on a LT basis. For starters it is just more economical. For the small extra price you pay, you get to enjoy her a whole night, which of course translates to a few pops before going to sleep and once more in the morning. There is no time pressure as she does not "calculate" to go back to her bar and score another ST and besides I really like to have a cutie next to me, even when sleeping. It is much nicer than cuddling my teddy-bear at home. .

As I rarely go for a repeat performance, getting a girl for ST first and later get her again on a LT basis is not something what fits within my modus operandi.

So to summarize my answer: I like diversity and never yet had a bad LT experience.

It would be interesting to know what other members think about this matter.[/QUOTE]I like the FL / Freebie market (dating sites or pure luck. FL market is comperable to the Bargirls / GoGo market when it comes to LT / ST which is actually the subject here. I see the advantage by hitting up on a GoGo girl due to the possibilites viewing the goods before interacting. Sometimes FL`s can be a let down after the shower / towel wrapped around the body routine due to strechmarks and other odd stuff on the belly area. This you can avoid in a GoGo.

But I like the excitement of not knowing. Yes, I have had let downs, but for sure fuckable. I prefer LT big time. Sometimes I do rerounds as well if the session is good and we hit it off. I think it is only Beergarden / BKK I`ve had ST sessions and even from there had a ST turning into a LT.

I have rather brief intervju sessions with the FL`s. I meet them mostly at nightclubs and if I enjoy one girl more than the other she can come (how we hit it off). What attracts me is ofcourse great looks / body and good behaviour in general. If a girl popps the "how mut you give me" then I send her away. For me this is a turnoff. I would estimate I`ve had about 100 +- 10 FL`s and I can only remember 3 times a girl have asked me but please bare in mind I have sth been quite shitfaced so I don't remember everything.

I like the "hunt" (even if you are pretty much sure you will find game) and I like to fool myself thinking this is the real deal, hehe. Relax guys I am in contact with mother earth so I know this is a somewhat fixed scene for me and other horny pricks out there. But I like freelance better bcs they can actually choose to turn you down and they are not under the wings of any mama / papasan.

I like to squize in as many sessions as I possible can during a FL stay and I have no strict rule on how long a LT should last. I become realy happy if I am allowed to enter the FL`s backdoor.

On the other hand I have had a couple of LT turning into ST due to starfishing or purly lack of skills. I am not a teacher so I don't have time / interest to educate them. When they are on offer I pretty much take it for granted they are able to perform. I am never careful with money though so everyone gets their fair share. One girl had so bad / ugly tummy so I felt sorry for her. Told her I was ill as an excuse (felt better for her I think). And sent her off with a couple of thousand BHT`s. My pricerange in LT is from 1500. 7000. Had one FL stunner for private adult movie action (made for a friends bachelour party. "What you will miss 1". With a friend of mine beeing director, editor and cameraman just for the fun of it. Gave her 10000.

Good hunting

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1307644]You seriously have some spelling problems. [B]peace of meet[/B] Should be [red] [B]piece of meat[/red] [/B][/QUOTE]Good that I can't see H444's pearls of wisdom, I don; t miss that ******* at all. Unfortunately, that idiot always pops up when someone quotes him and that reminds me how stupid he really is!

TomJackin,

This is certainly refreshing news, I've been anxiously looking forward to my maiden voyage to Pattaya. I was getting worried that there would be nothing but the hardened hooker types in Patts: leathery face, big nosed, and many stretch marks.

Got everything I need now, condoms, photography equipment, and clean underwear

Recently found this gal on Twitter (attimsharky). Really my type, does anybody know where / how I can find her in Pattaya?

(The photo is public on Twitter)

Despite the fact I am no longer a newbie, I probably acted like one yesterday.

Was too lazy to the bar and gogo scene, and at 3 am I started to think I was going to have problems to get a decent girl for LT.

There were a reasonable number of options on WS, but to my taste just two or three were acceptable. The problem was the prices I was quoted, first girl asked for 5. 000, still asked "how much I could pay", but I was shocked with the first price quoted and gave up. 2nd girl, started asking 4. 000 baht, saying 2. 500 was shortime, offer to budget till 3. 200, but simply refused to lower saying "I should loook for cheaper options available". These girls were obviously above average, and much better than most of go-go girls, but were this prices reasonable? I know and they know, there isn't a bar fine involved, but even so it seems an abusive price. Some three, four years ago, the only time I asked for a price from a WS girl (she was of of course the best I saw) , I was already quoted 3. 000 LT.

I am under 40 years, and have a common look, perhaps the approach wasn't the right one, because I almost didn't introduce myself, and simply asked if they do LT.

Around 4 am, I was quoted 1. 500 for ST from another nice looking girl, ended up with the 2nd girl for 3. 000 baht LT, everything was ok, I was more than pleased, but stayed with the feeling I overpayed. Perhaps I should stick with the bars and GO-Go's.

Montecristo

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1307984]Recently found this gal on Twitter (attimsharky). Really my type, does anybody know where / how I can find her in Pattaya?

(The photo is public on Twitter) [/QUOTE]Smallish, tanned, dark eyes, long dark hair. Should be easy to find. That description will only fit 80% of all girls in Pattaya.

Why don't you ask her on Twitter?

Have been reading many disconcerting reports here lately of 1000+ bar-fines and 3000-4000 LT, etc. WTF? My recollection has been go go bar-fines of 600B and 1000ST / 2000LT.

Are the crazy prices reported here lately just newbies getting duped or are these really the new prices? Have high western prices and poor attitudes finally taken over Pattaya? Or are things still normal?

Can a seasoned pro on the ground report what the true situation is?

Thanks!

Hi all,

Will be back again shortly for a quick visit, business is preventing me from staying as long as I would like. I was wondering how the Bamboo bar close to the end of walking street is doing? I like to pretend this is like a normal disco where you try and catch the ladies interest. I have had some good times there in the past, recently I was in Korea and the owner of the company I was visiting told me it is his favorite place in Pattaya, any similar bars to Bamboo anyone can recommend?

May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1308155]Smallish, tanned, dark eyes, long dark hair. Should be easy to find. That description will only fit 80% of all girls in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

Not at all, the girl in the picture has distinct (half?) Indian looks, hard to mistake for an Isan girl.

I asked on Twitter, but got no specific info (pic is not on her Twitter, but another monger's).

[QUOTE=Montecristo;1308138]Despite the fact I am no longer a newbie, I probably acted like one yesterday. first girl asked for 5. 000[/QUOTE]Weird. There must have been some unusual factor triggering this (about you or the market situation, no idea). I pulled Walking Street freelancers for 500 ST, although most don't go under 800 ST. Even if they're great looking. 5k is way out of any sensible range for Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1307984]Recently found this gal on Twitter (attimsharky). Really my type, does anybody know where / how I can find her in Pattaya?

(The photo is public on Twitter) [/QUOTE]Who is Tim Sharkey?

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker;1308184]Will be back again shortly for a quick visit, business is preventing me from staying as long as I would like. I was wondering how the Bamboo bar close to the end of walking street is doing? I like to pretend this is like a normal disco where you try and catch the ladies interest.[/QUOTE]I was in Bamboo bar twice this pass trip. I thought the live band sucked, however, there were some cuties in the place. Both times I went was around midnight,

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1308241]Who is Tim Sharkey?[/QUOTE]He has a FB page. He seems to have to have a big heart for kids and animals.

[url]http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/steroid-vacation-20120526-1zblt.html[/url]

It does not appear that his page is still active. He used to post every day.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1308299]I thinky you will be highly disappointed!

A few posters have been letting the cat out of the bag. All say same same, girls are just not that hot.[/QUOTE]Tony, You will have a blast. Many clowns on this board love to add their two cents, but always fall short of filing a decent trip report. Hopefully you report back on your findings as well.

Guys, I have lost my babe named 'A', Red Badge #42 at PP Massage Pattaya. Slightly chubby she is amazingly beautiful. Does anyone know her whereabouts? I went to PP, they checked all records but unfortunately her phone no was not with them.

[QUOTE=Montecristo; 1308138]Despite the fact I am no longer a newbie, I probably acted like one yesterday.

Was too lazy to the bar and gogo scene, and at 3 am I started to think I was going to have problems to get a decent girl for LT.

There were a reasonable number of options on WS, but to my taste just two or three were acceptable. The problem was the prices I was quoted, first girl asked for 5. 000, still asked "how much I could pay", but I was shocked with the first price quoted and gave up. 2nd girl, started asking 4. 000 baht, saying 2. 500 was shortime, offer to budget till 3. 200, but simply refused to lower saying "I should loook for cheaper options available". These girls were obviously above average, and much better than most of go-go girls, but were this prices reasonable? I know and they know, there isn't a bar fine involved, but even so it seems an abusive price. Some three, four years ago, the only time I asked for a price from a WS girl (she was of of course the best I saw) , I was already quoted 3. 000 LT.

I am under 40 years, and have a common look, perhaps the approach wasn't the right one, because I almost didn't introduce myself, and simply asked if they do LT.

Around 4 am, I was quoted 1. 500 for ST from another nice looking girl, ended up with the 2nd girl for 3. 000 baht LT, everything was ok, I was more than pleased, but stayed with the feeling I overpayed. Perhaps I should stick with the bars and GO-Go's.

Montecristo[/QUOTE]If FLs in Pattaya quotes you crazy prices like 4 or 5 thousand Baht, they don't want to go with you. Odd that you had didn't get the 1500 baht quote till 4am, you're looking in the wrong places or it may be the common look you have. Most girls wouldn't dare ask handsum men to pay those prices.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1308241]Who is Tim Sharkey?[/QUOTE]Infamous character in Pattaya, apparently he's a loan shark (hence the name, which I think he gave himself). He was arrested for stabbing a Canadian teacher not too long ago (this was posted in some other forums recently, links to the news stories, so it's legit) and he claims to have bought himself out of the situation. Check out the link someone gave below to the SMH article, have a look at him, you be the judge.

[QUOTE=Montecristo; 1308138]Despite the fact I am no longer a newbie, I probably acted like one yesterday.

Was too lazy to the bar and gogo scene, and at 3 am I started to think I was going to have problems to get a decent girl for LT.

There were a reasonable number of options on WS, but to my taste just two or three were acceptable. The problem was the prices I was quoted, first girl asked for 5. 000, still asked "how much I could pay", but I was shocked with the first price quoted and gave up. 2nd girl, started asking 4. 000 baht, saying 2. 500 was shortime, offer to budget till 3. 200, but simply refused to lower saying "I should loook for cheaper options available". These girls were obviously above average, and much better than most of go-go girls, but were this prices reasonable? I know and they know, there isn't a bar fine involved, but even so it seems an abusive price. Some three, four years ago, the only time I asked for a price from a WS girl (she was of of course the best I saw) , I was already quoted 3. 000 LT.

I am under 40 years, and have a common look, perhaps the approach wasn't the right one, because I almost didn't introduce myself, and simply asked if they do LT.

Around 4 am, I was quoted 1. 500 for ST from another nice looking girl, ended up with the 2nd girl for 3. 000 baht LT, everything was ok, I was more than pleased, but stayed with the feeling I overpayed. Perhaps I should stick with the bars and GO-Go's.

Montecristo[/QUOTE]There are usually two reasons why somebody would give you such an outrageous price.

1) They don't like you and want you to take a hike, thinking that's just what you'll do after you hear their crazy price.

2) They think you're fresh of the boat and might pay their crazy price because you don't know better.

I've heard many women tell me how they "really hate" guys who just come up to them and ask "how much?", which is basically what you did. I suspect even most hookers would not mind a minute or two of small talk before some random guy ask how much it will cost him to stick his dick in her pussy, which might also serve to reduce the chance of 1) happening.

[QUOTE=Amex Spg;1296982]Oh I wish the porn websites weren't blocked in LOS so viewing internet porn to help me with finishing wasn't an option.[/QUOTE]I just read the excellent report from Amex spg, and I stumbled on this quote and thought maybe other mongers need help solving this issue. You just need to install overplay. Net. Using it is really easy. You can set it up so the websites think you are sitting in the US. You can also use it for watching US TV and hulu etc. I do not know if there are other providers then overplay, but there must be. It cost 5 bucks for a month.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;1308400]I've heard many women tell me how they "really hate" guys who just come up to them and ask "how much?", which is basically what you did. I suspect even most hookers would not mind a minute or two of small talk before some random guy ask how much it will cost him to stick his dick in her pussy, [/QUOTE]I have heard that from many of them too. Just as the guys say they want to interview the girls to have an idea of what they are getting into, the girls like to feel the guys out as well. No pun intended.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1308452]Just as the guys say they want to interview the girls to have an idea of what they are getting into, the girls like to feel the guys out as well. No pun intended.[/QUOTE]That, and the fact that these girls, though prostitutes, don't like to be treated by potential customers like a piece of meat. They would rather be treated like human beings.

[QUOTE=Monopoly; 1308182]Have been reading many disconcerting reports here lately of 1000+ bar-fines and 3000-4000 LT, etc. WTF? My recollection has been go go bar-fines of 600B and 1000ST / 2000LT.

Are the crazy prices reported here lately just newbies getting duped or are these really the new prices? Have high western prices and poor attitudes finally taken over Pattaya? Or are things still normal?

Can a seasoned pro on the ground report what the true situation is?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Ave Mongers,

Now a day Pattaya is very quite and the mongering scene is getting boring. (maybe because is already one year that I am living here). Anyway, in the last month the number of tourist is gone down drammatically and with my surprise I am been quoted from the girls higher prices then usual.

Anyway guys refuse to over pay them or they will get used to it (bad for us).

Enjoy

[QUOTE=Monopoly; 1308182]Have been reading many disconcerting reports here lately of 1000+ bar-fines and 3000-4000 LT, etc. WTF? My recollection has been go go bar-fines of 600B and 1000ST / 2000LT.

Are the crazy prices reported here lately just newbies getting duped or are these really the new prices? Have high western prices and poor attitudes finally taken over Pattaya? Or are things still normal?

Can a seasoned pro on the ground report what the true situation is?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Was in Pattaya last week. Barfines at major gogos generally were 600 but several bars were asking more depending on the time of the barfine and in general I was being asked 2, 000 short time and 3, 000 long time.

A girl at Airport who was working as a Tequila girl said her barfine was now 700 versus 800 for when she used to work at the back stage. The regular dancers were 600.

A dancer I knew before from Peppermint who now works at Moon said their barfine was 1, 500 of which she got 1, 000. I was with her short time before her shift started for 1, 500.

At Happy I took a girl short time for 600/2, 000. She told me she could only go short time before I think 22:00 or midnight. Can't quite remember. She wanted me to come in later and take her long time the next day.

At Peppermint and Alcatraz I was told 600/3, 000 long time. I countered with 2, 500 but got no movement, so I walked. More on principle than price. Both girls seemed shocked but they just might have been acting.

At Champagne it was 600/2, 500 long time.

Was probably duped for one of the 'premium' girls at Iron for 1, 000/3, 000 long time although based on what I knew about airport having the graduated bar fine for the different performers and what I read I think Iron might often be getting 1, 000 for that group of girls. I wrote a report on this one a few days ago.

One long time from a beer bar at beginning of walking street for 300/1, 500. One from Insomina for 1, 500.

I'm in my 60s (although the girls guess my age in the 40s) .170 cm and 70 kilograms, workout and in shape. Wouldn't call myself a seasoned pro, but not a newbie either. What I paid this trip versus when I was in Pattaya 2 years ago was significantly higher.

[QUOTE=Paul2020; 1308603]Was in Pattaya last week. Barfines at major gogos generally were 600 but several bars were asking more depending on the time of the barfine and in general I was being asked 2, 000 short time and 3, 000 long time.

A girl at Airport who was working as a Tequila girl said her barfine was now 700 versus 800 for when she used to work at the back stage. The regular dancers were 600.

A dancer I knew before from Peppermint who now works at Moon said their barfine was 1, 500 of which she got 1, 000. I was with her short time before her shift started for 1, 500.

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What I paid this trip versus when I was in Pattaya 2 years ago was significantly higher.[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya recently for about 2 weeks. I clearly can confirm the pricing mentioned in this post. It looks almost like a "cartel", I. E. For gogo bar girls, the ST price was consistently 2'000 baht, LT 3'000 baht, with very few exceptions (below and above). BF was normally 600, in some places 1'000 or even 1'200 baht. If I remember correctly, Iron asked for 1'200, but it might be dependent on the time of the night. I also tried to negotiate, but could not get anything better, so I chose another place. Pattaya is in a metamorphosis from a monger paradise to a family vacation location.

I took a number of notes and will report in more detail in the coming days. However, I wanted to confirm the pricing, which is firmly higher than in the past.

Wonderer

[QUOTE=Wonderer; 1308755]I was in Pattaya recently for about 2 weeks. I clearly can confirm the pricing mentioned in this post. It looks almost like a "cartel", I. E. For gogo bar girls, the ST price was consistently 2'000 baht, LT 3'000 baht, with very few exceptions (below and above). BF was normally 600, in some places 1'000 or even 1'200 baht. If I remember correctly, Iron asked for 1'200, but it might be dependent on the time of the night. I also tried to negotiate, but could not get anything better, so I chose another place. Pattaya is in a metamorphosis from a monger paradise to a family vacation location.

I took a number of notes and will report in more detail in the coming days. However, I wanted to confirm the pricing, which is firmly higher than in the past.

Wonderer[/QUOTE]The good old days are long gone (cheap young hot girls)! If you got money, however, you can still have some fun, but all the quality is in the gogos at rip off prices. Pay up or get lost! That is the new attitude of the popular gogos in Pattaya. Again, if you got money then all is good! If you're a cheap charlie than you're going to have to drink till you get some goggles and go hit the beauties on the beach for 500b. LOL!

Oh yah, soi 6 is still there but those girls are trying hard to push that 700 to 1k.

Can't seem to find much info about the services "premium" girls provide at Pattaya. Is it expected when taking a girl from a bar for a night that she will provide GFE with kissing and all?

Or dose service vary a lot? I see many here write lt, but how long is that lt? Or dose it vary a lot from what you agree upon with the girl?

Is it realistic thinking that I will come to Pattaya find a hot girl her, pay a bar fine and 3000 lt. Letting me spend the evening / night with her and say goodbye with hotel breakfast nxt morning? Or am I living in a dreamworld?

While mongering in East Europe there was unacceptable for me if a girl dose not provide GFE and i just want to know if for that price you get this in Thailand with the good looking girl.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1308799]The good old days are long gone (cheap young hot girls)! If you got money, however, you can still have some fun, but all the quality is in the gogos at rip off prices. Pay up or get lost! That is the new attitude of the popular gogos in Pattaya. Again, if you got money then all is good! If you're a cheap charlie than you're going to have to drink till you get some goggles and go hit the beauties on the beach for 500b. LOL!

Oh yah, soi 6 is still there but those girls are trying hard to push that 700 to 1k.[/QUOTE]How did Pattaya prices get to 2000ST / 3000LT and why are we putting up with it?

Why do guys feed the go-go's that seem to be fueling this?

Should we just go after free-lancers and avoid the go-go's? What do you guys think about this?

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1308813]Can't seem to find much info about the services "premium" girls provide at Pattaya. Is it expected when taking a girl from a bar for a night that she will provide GFE with kissing and all?

Or dose service vary a lot? I see many here write lt, but how long is that lt? Or dose it vary a lot from what you agree upon with the girl?[/QUOTE]I do not know what you mean by "premium girl" but the service you want is by no means a function of the price you pay. Negotiations determine the price. Set yourself a budget and if she does not want to fit within your budget, move on to the next one. Negotiations also determine the service. If you want kissing, ask her if she does. Maybe even try it out in the bar or agogo. I must say I never had any problem finding someone to my liking. Good agreements make good friends.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1308813]Is it realistic thinking that I will come to Pattaya find a hot girl her, pay a bar fine and 3000 lt. Letting me spend the evening / night with her and say goodbye with hotel breakfast nxt morning? Or am I living in a dreamworld?[/QUOTE]That is more or less the standard for LT. No problem finding that in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1308813]While mongering in East Europe there was unacceptable for me if a girl dose not provide GFE and i just want to know if for that price you get this in Thailand with the good looking girl.[/QUOTE]You sure can find that in Pattaya (or in Bangkok)

Hi guys (& girls,)

If you find that the prices are getting progressively higher, why not lower your standard? Please hear me out. Lower your standard by not lowering your standard, but rather by having a few more drinks before picking your trophy? Msure you don't get so drunk that you end up with a LB! LOL On 2nd thought. Why not?

Spaceman

For those who like the thrill of an legitimate massage place, yesterday I had an interesting experience.

I don't know the exact location it was in Soi Bukhao zone where there are plenty of bars, Go-Go's and also an astonishing number of massage establishements, many of them lower their 1 hour massage to 100 baht.

Despite the number, probably 95 % of the girls are in their 30's or more, something that may not be for everybody's taste. By some kind of luck when walking I noticed 1-2 girls with a good apppearence and younger than the usual standard, despite the fact I was not was planning to have a massage I was convinced to enter the store (one of them grabbed me and took me inside) , suddenly another girl took my arm and pointed the starways seeming it was going to be her to give the massage.

I was interested in the other girl because she had a good look and was younger than usual, but for my surprise this girl was much younger and pretty. I was happily suprised.

Reaching the 3rd floor, she asked me to lay down and take my clothes off. I started to get suspicious, when she insisted "all the clothes".

In the meanwhile, the other girl appeared, and they proposed a double massage for 400 baht, something that seemed reasonable. For half an hour my body was divided between the two of them, in a diferent and nice feeling.

As expected, soon come the offering of "special" from the younger one (24, but seemed even younger). She want HJ, but I really think thats a non-sense and told them I just do FS, she seemed unconfortable because despite the curtains it was almost a public place. She talked with the other, and finally agreed on "the standard price of 1. 500".

She took her clothes off, showing a very nice bodie, and at this time I already took conscience I was in for an interesting experience. Both left for some moments, and when my girl returned, she asked if I wanted to have the special with the 2 of them. I told her it would be too expensive (the other one despite interesting wasn't worth another 1. 500 Baht).

But she insisted saying it would be 2. 000 baht for the two of them, I accepted, in the end I payed 2. 500 for everything, not very cheap, but it was definitly a different experience.

[QUOTE=Paul2020;1308603]What I paid this trip versus when I was in Pattaya 2 years ago was significantly higher.[/QUOTE]There's been a lot of inflation across the board in Thailand over the past couple years, so it's not surprising that the girls are asking (and getting) more. In fact it's remarkable how closely the price of pussy here tracks the general cost of living. In the early '80s here a bowl of noodles here was around B3 and you could take a girl home for the night for about B200. Now they're both roughly ten times that amount. The only difference is that it's the Thais who complain when the price of noodles goes up and the farang when it happens to pussy!

[QUOTE=Betong;1309028]There's been a lot of inflation across the board in Thailand over the past couple years, so it's not surprising that the girls are asking (and getting) more. In fact it's remarkable how closely the price of pussy here tracks the general cost of living. In the early '80s here a bowl of noodles here was around B3 and you could take a girl home for the night for about B200. Now they're both roughly ten times that amount. The only difference is that it's the Thais who complain when the price of noodles goes up and the farang when it happens to pussy![/QUOTE]Has the price of pussy increased accordingly in the Thai oriented establishments also?

[QUOTE=Monopoly; 1308869]How did Pattaya prices get to 2000ST / 3000LT and why are we putting up with it?

Why do guys feed the go-go's that seem to be fueling this?

Should we just go after free-lancers and avoid the go-go's? What do you guys think about this?[/QUOTE]If you want a hot young girl, you pretty much have to go to the gogos now. All the girls know that the money is in the gogos and if they are pretty and young they will eventually end up there if not start there from the beginning.

If you're into mediocre girls then there are plenty outside of the gogo scene for cheap prices. There is still lots of pussy to be had in Pattaya, but it seems to be very segregated now with gogos tending to have the hottest girls (not the case in the past). Things have changed quite a bit. The easiest solution to this problem is to bring and spend more money.

[QUOTE=Montecristo; 1309019]For those who like the thrill of an legitimate massage place, yesterday I had an interesting experience.

I don't know the exact location it was in Soi Bukhao zone where there are plenty of bars, Go-Go's and also an astonishing number of massage establishements, many of them lower their 1 hour massage to 100 baht.

Despite the number, probably 95 % of the girls are in their 30's or more, something that may not be for everybody's taste. By some kind of luck when walking I noticed 1-2 girls with a good apppearence and younger than the usual standard, despite the fact I was not was planning to have a massage I was convinced to enter the store (one of them grabbed me and took me inside) , suddenly another girl took my arm and pointed the starways seeming it was going to be her to give the massage.

I was interested in the other girl because she had a good look and was younger than usual, but for my surprise this girl was much younger and pretty. I was happily suprised.

Reaching the 3rd floor, she asked me to lay down and take my clothes off. I started to get suspicious, when she insisted "all the clothes".

In the meanwhile, the other girl appeared, and they proposed a double massage for 400 baht, something that seemed reasonable. For half an hour my body was divided between the two of them, in a diferent and nice feeling.

As expected, soon come the offering of "special" from the younger one (24, but seemed even younger). She want HJ, but I really think thats a non-sense and told them I just do FS, she seemed unconfortable because despite the curtains it was almost a public place. She talked with the other, and finally agreed on "the standard price of 1. 500".

She took her clothes off, showing a very nice bodie, and at this time I already took conscience I was in for an interesting experience. Both left for some moments, and when my girl returned, she asked if I wanted to have the special with the 2 of them. I told her it would be too expensive (the other one despite interesting wasn't worth another 1. 500 Baht).

But she insisted saying it would be 2. 000 baht for the two of them, I accepted, in the end I payed 2. 500 for everything, not very cheap, but it was definitly a different experience.[/QUOTE]A local Thai lady from Isaan once told me that you can basically get full service with a Thai lady at any place where you can find some privacy, such as a washroom for example. Even at the internet cafe, the hostess who collects the money from you, might agree to go for a quickie with you in the washroom, if you offer her good money for it.

And this isn't just for farangs. This is how Thai men and women behave with each other too. And being married quite often is no obstacle to this kind of behavior either for men or for women. Of course, this kind of thing isn't entirely without trouble. Thai men and women get jealous with each other once in a while as a result of such cheating. And it does lead to distrust and trouble between them once in a while.

But my point is that any Thai lady you like at any place of business wouldn't find it strange if you proposition to her in private for a full service type of encounter with her and offer her good money for it. Because if she is good-looking, then Thai men probably proposition to her in private like this once in a while, even if they can't pay. They might promise to pay her later.

Of course, you need to ask the lady in private. And not every lady will say 'yes' to you. Some ladies will reject you in an ungracious kind of way. But rejection from the lady is the worst that can happen. It won't go any further than that, if you do it in private. Because your asking the lady to have sex with you in return for reasonable compensation is within the social norms for Thai men in Thailand. This is how many Thai men normally behave with women they like. It's basically up to the man to ask, and it's up to the woman to say 'yes' or 'no'.

Which means that any massage place in Pattaya that has a little bit of privacy, such as curtains, has the potential for a P4P encounter between you and the massage lady. And it has nothing to do with the business owner or the business itself. It's just a private arrangement between you and the lady. But when the place has very little privacy, such as curtains only, then it makes sense for two ladies to take you on as a team, rather than have a 1 on 1 encounter with you. Because doing personal business with you, when they are supposed to be working for their boss is probably against the rules. The lady who fucks you needs another lady to be on the lookout for her and have her take care of things, if their boss or someone else gets curious about what's going on behind the curtains with you.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1309089]Has the price of pussy increased accordingly in the Thai oriented establishments also?[/QUOTE]Good question. I dunno, but I'm sure the same inflationary pressure eventually works on the Thai joints too. The basic situation is that the cheap Thai-oriented places (like the ones for laborers, truck drivers, soldiers, etc.) tend to be really cheap, while the fancy ones (for businessmen, politicians, etc.) are really expensive. The farang-oriented places we go to are in the middle. So the cheap ones go up around B50 or B100 at a time, while the high-end ones rise by B500 or even B1000 each time. Our places usually move in increments of B200-300. That explains the recent ongoing rises on Soi 6, Honey, Chaiyapun etc from B700 to B1000. Next will be B1200 in a few years, then B1500. It's all pretty predictable.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1309103]This is how Thai men and women behave with each other too.[/QUOTE]I think you want to be careful here. Yes, plenty of Thai women will behave like hookers if the money and the situation is right. But a lot of them, in fact most of them, will not and in fact will be pretty offended by the offer. It depends on all kinds of things, like their socio-economic class, the part of the country they come from (try asking where I live, in the deep south, and you're likely to get your balls cut off) , and how much experience they've had in borderline professions like hostessing, massage, etc. There's a whole lot of screwing around here, for money and for all kinds of other reasons. But assuming that most Thai women will put out for a bit of money is a quick way to make yourself really really unpopular.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1308248]I was in Bamboo bar twice this pass trip. I thought the live band sucked, however, there were some cuties in the place. Both times I went was around midnight,[/QUOTE]Yes live band can't play new songs as is D grade like the bar and its ugly **** faced owner. Alcohol prices are over priced and service from its staff are scam like where they continuously monitor drinks and have a bad attitude, I have seen them scream at some inoscent pensioner in there for no reason, plus they make you pay to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], anything to get more money from the farang. Gay staff often get there kicks by fondling farang genitals, this place is the lowest you can get in Pattaya. AVOID!

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Hi PattayaTony,

I was in Pattaya two weeks ago and I pulled several chicks out of Bamboo during the course of my visit.

Simply stated: Your post is complete bullshit.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Montecristo; 1309019]. As expected, soon come the offering of "special" from the younger one (24, but seemed even younger). She want HJ, but I really think thats a non-sense and told them I just do FS, she seemed unconfortable because despite the curtains it was almost a public place. She talked with the other, and finally agreed on "the standard price of 1. 500".[/QUOTE]What are you guys talking about? 1500ST in a massage place is standard for Bangkok. NOT Pattaya! 500-700ST or you walk! End of story!

[QUOTE=Betong;1309170]I think you want to be careful here. Yes, plenty of Thai women will behave like hookers if the money and the situation is right. But a lot of them, in fact most of them, will not and in fact will be pretty offended by the offer. It depends on all kinds of things, like their socio-economic class, the part of the country they come from (try asking where I live, in the deep south, and you're likely to get your balls cut off) , and how much experience they've had in borderline professions like hostessing, massage, etc. There's a whole lot of screwing around here, for money and for all kinds of other reasons. But assuming that most Thai women will put out for a bit of money is a quick way to make yourself really really unpopular.[/QUOTE]I disagree as 90%+ of Thai women seem to be in debt and are in need of money.

If you just say " fuck me for $$$$" then yes, there may be an issue.

But most will want to continue relationships with you, if you are throwing them some money from time to time.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1309276]I disagree as 90%+ of Thai women seem to be in debt and are in need of money.

If you just say " fuck me for $$$$" then yes, there may be an issue.

But most will want to continue relationships with you, if you are throwing them some money from time to time.[/QUOTE]All women love money! It's just the way you give it to them that differs. Some strangers you can trade pussy for hard cash on the spot. Others you need to build comfort and familiarity first then slowly enter the money into the equation.

Are there any non working girls at the discos in patts?

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1309276]I disagree as 90%+ of Thai women seem to be in debt and are in need of money.

If you just say " fuck me for $$$$" then yes, there may be an issue.

But most will want to continue relationships with you, if you are throwing them some money from time to time.[/QUOTE]Some how your opinion or your thinking manner is not applicable to all over LOS. Yes all girls like money but it does not mean all the girls are running after of your money you are throwing time to time. As per my experience I have seen south or deep south girls are quite reluctant in exchange of money rather than other part of LOS.

Yes, every girls are purchasable by not only money, you need to invest more other things too.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1309298]Are there any non working girls at the discos in patts?[/QUOTE]Yes, there were many all along beach road in the early after noons ant Beer Garden and the Bamboo.

You also mentioned "non working girls," I got a couple of phone numbers from that worked at 7-11. Never did get time to called either one.

Of them.

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Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1309283]All women love money! It's just the way you give it to them that differs. Some strangers you can trade pussy for hard cash on the spot. Others you need to build comfort and familiarity first then slowly enter the money into the equation.[/QUOTE]If I'm building comfort and familiarity with a woman then why would I need to pay? That is called a relationship. P4P is a different animal all together.

Like anywhere else, the working girls, pseudo non-working girls, and actual non-working girls are out there. Chances are highest of course that you'll notice the working girls first. Hint: the non working girls aren't usually the ones who are grinding on you on the dance floor within 15 minutes of meeting you.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1309370]If I'm building comfort and familiarity with a woman then why would I need to pay? That is called a relationship. P4P is a different animal all together.[/QUOTE]
It's a Thai thing

[QUOTE=Betong;1309170]I think you want to be careful here. Yes, plenty of Thai women will behave like hookers if the money and the situation is right. But a lot of them, in fact most of them, will not and in fact will be pretty offended by the offer. It depends on all kinds of things, like their socio-economic class, the part of the country they come from (try asking where I live, in the deep south, and you're likely to get your balls cut off) , and how much experience they've had in borderline professions like hostessing, massage, etc. There's a whole lot of screwing around here, for money and for all kinds of other reasons. But assuming that most Thai women will put out for a bit of money is a quick way to make yourself really really unpopular.[/QUOTE]As I said in my earlier post, my information comes from an Isaan lady. She knows about Isaan, which is northeast Thailand.

And I agree with you that in the Muslim south of Thailand, the social rules are different from those in the rest of Thailand. But I'm not so sure that in Bangkok things would be that much different from Isaan in terms of how men and women behave with each other.

It's true that trying to get it on with a woman who has a higher social status and more wealth than you have isn't a good idea in any country or culture. Because you are almost sure to be rejected. But from what I've seen on the streets of some Isaan towns, higher social status of the woman doesn't necessarily stop horny guys from making lewd suggestions to her. I also know several women there who are married to Thai guys and sleeping around for money with other guys.

From what I understand of Isaan culture, it seems to me that women there feel free to sleep around with guys, as long as they do it discreetly and get good financial compensation from the guy. Not getting paid after having sex with a guy is a big embarrassment and a big loss of face for the woman. It's the payment that makes it okay and proper for her to sleep with the guy. Because it's the payment that makes it similar to a legitimate marriage for the woman in Isaan, where the groom pays a lot of money to the bride's relatives and gives her lots of gold too, when they get married.

Many women in Isaan feel so free to sleep around with guys who pay that it's not unusual for a new boyfriend of a woman to demand that she stop going to school or to work, because she might end up sleeping with other guys there. I know one young lady there who was going to school, and her new boyfriend demanded that she stop going to school, which she did. And it wasn't because she cheated on him. It was because her boyfriend considered the situation in school too sexually tempting for her in terms of her being able to sleep with other guys there.

Basically, it's up to the men to control women's sexuality there. And if the man isn't around, then the woman often feels free to sleep with you or with some other guy, who has the money and is willing to pay.

The main thing in Thailand is to maintain social decorum and let people preserve their face and social status. Which means that you need to be very discreet about asking women to have sex with you. If you do it in private without socially embarrassing the lady in any way in front of other people, then you will do it basically the same way as Thai men do it. Which will allow you to keep your popularity and sleep with women you like too.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1303129]Met this bosom wench on Beach Road close to Walking Street. She said she was Russian (maybe from one of the 'Stans'?) in Pattaya for 2 weeks and was 25 (I would estimate closer to 35) but a change is as good as a rest and I had filled my boots with Thai birds over the previous week. And she seemed pleasant for a Russkie and then there were those boobs of course.

Her asking rate for ST was higher than the BR average but surprisingly modest but it is low season and its a buyers market out there at the moment. What I really enjoyed was the neck wrenching double take I got from all 3 receptionists at my hotel. Olga had her passport with her so there was no problems.

To be quite honest the sex was better than any I had had in Pattaya on this trip except for my DD threesome on the first night. Olga (not her real name which I've forgotten) was up for most everything and seemed to be genuinely enjoying herself. She offered her ass for an extra 500 but I declined. But her BBBJ was spectacular and culminated in a rousing finale in her mouth after which she surprised me by promptly swallowed every drop. She also enjoyed a spot of fisting and I nearly lost my hand in there! I have photos of this and will show but I know that there are a lot of easily shockable, sensitive little flowers on this forum so will only post if requested.

Often fancied trying a FSW whilst in Pattaya and pleased now that I took the plunge (excuse the pun).[/QUOTE]Hi CS. Enjoyed reading your report. OMG, Olga's Boobs.

I really hope I meet a similar Olga on my next trip to LOS, when I can give my Stassi female companions the slip.

During my last trip tp Bangkok I did meet some Russian and Ukrainian girls.

They seem to have set up base on the corner coffee shop on Soi 7 or 9 with suk.

Fancied a change from the Massaaaaage girls LOL, yeah" a change is as good as rest ", but one bosom Russian wanted 4000 baht short time. Didn't like her attiude so I passed.

Great looking Russian and Uzbekistan girls I met at CM 2 club at Novotel hotel.

A really Beautiful Uzbek girl wanted 5000 Baht, but I couldn't make it for other reasons.

I did get a Tip which I intend to follow up (When I am next in Pattaya) on Russian Girls in Pattaya.

BTW, how much did you donate to OLGA, and what do you think is the going rate for ST& LT asked by Russkie and other CIS girls in Pattaya?

Thanks in Advance

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1303127]Always wondered how people whoring around in so many places can pinpoint where / who they got the clap from? Sometimes it's from the gals you least suspect.[/QUOTE]It takes only a few days after infection for symptoms to show up. And if you've been banging the same lady for several days, then it's not hard to guess where you got your infection from.

I usually try to find the most attractive lady around and sleep with her a lot, instead of going for ladies who don't look that attractive to me. And perhaps it's like this with some other guys too. Not everybody changes ladies all the time. Quality is more important that quantity for some guys like me.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1303129]Met this bosom wench on Beach Road close to Walking Street. She said she was Russian (maybe from one of the 'Stans'?) in Pattaya for 2 weeks and was 25 (I would estimate closer to 35) but a change is as good as a rest and I had filled my boots with Thai birds over the previous week. And she seemed pleasant for a Russkie and then there were those boobs of course.

Her asking rate for ST was higher than the BR average but surprisingly modest but it is low season and its a buyers market out there at the moment. What I really enjoyed was the neck wrenching double take I got from all 3 receptionists at my hotel. Olga had her passport with her so there was no problems.

To be quite honest the sex was better than any I had had in Pattaya on this trip except for my DD threesome on the first night. Olga (not her real name which I've forgotten) was up for most everything and seemed to be genuinely enjoying herself. She offered her ass for an extra 500 but I declined. But her BBBJ was spectacular and culminated in a rousing finale in her mouth after which she surprised me by promptly swallowed every drop. She also enjoyed a spot of fisting and I nearly lost my hand in there! I have photos of this and will show but I know that there are a lot of easily shockable, sensitive little flowers on this forum so will only post if requested.

Often fancied trying a FSW whilst in Pattaya and pleased now that I took the plunge (excuse the pun).[/QUOTE]Yes, Olga's big, natural tits are something to see in a place like Pattaya. There are almost no Thai ladies with tits this big.

And I wouldn't mind seeing your photos of how you fisted Olga's pussy. Although I can't imagine how you've managed to fist her pussy and take your pictures of it at the same time.

Fisting the lady's pussy isn't my thing. But I do like to go after my lady's pussy with a well-lubricated hand and give her such a good, topical pussy massage, without any penetration, that she orgasms right there and then. I'd like to see what Olga let you do with her pussy. She sounds like the kind lady who wouldn't mind having my kind of pussy massage either. It's different from yours. But when the pretty lady lets you fist her pussy, then she'll probably let the next guy give her a topical pussy massage too.

[QUOTE=Dan7373; 1309521]It takes only a few days after infection for symptoms to show up. And if you've been banging the same lady for several days, then it's not hard to guess where you got your infection from.

I usually try to find the most attractive lady around and sleep with her a lot, instead of going for ladies who don't look that attractive to me. And perhaps it's like this with some other guys too. Not everybody changes ladies all the time. Quality is more important that quantity for some guys like me.[/QUOTE]Tell us something we don't know Dan. The question was about people who sleep around not semi-monogamous punters.

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13; 1309006]Hi guys (& girls,)

If you find that the prices are getting progressively higher, why not lower your standard? Please hear me out. Lower your standard by not lowering your standard, but rather by having a few more drinks before picking your trophy? Msure you don't get so drunk that you end up with a LB! LOL On 2nd thought. Why not?

Spaceman[/QUOTE]LOL not a bad idea. Specially at the last week of the trip when I spent most of the cash on gogo bars.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1309447]Hi CS. Enjoyed reading your report. OMG, Olga's Boobs.

I really hope I meet a similar Olga on my next trip to LOS, when I can give my Stassi female companions the slip.

During my last trip tp Bangkok I did meet some Russian and Ukrainian girls.

They seem to have set up base on the corner coffee shop on Soi 7 or 9 with suk.

Fancied a change from the Massaaaaage girls LOL, yeah" a change is as good as rest ", but one bosom Russian wanted 4000 baht short time. Didn't like her attiude so I passed.

Great looking Russian and Uzbekistan girls I met at CM 2 club at Novotel hotel.

A really Beautiful Uzbek girl wanted 5000 Baht, but I couldn't make it for other reasons.

I did get a Tip which I intend to follow up (When I am next in Pattaya) on Russian Girls in Pattaya.

BTW, how much did you donate to OLGA, and what do you think is the going rate for ST& LT asked by Russkie and other CIS girls in Pattaya?

Thanks in Advance[/QUOTE]Thanks CN for your reply in the UK Forum.

Dose any of you guy stay on "Pattaya Discovery Beach Hotel" and know if its girl friendly? Here is a link to hotel [url]http://finn.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g293919-d1126517-Reviews-or40-Pattaya_Discovery_Beach_Hotel-Pattaya_Chonburi_Province.html[/url]#REVIEWS

wanted to say thanks mr. enternational and littlebigman for taking the time to have a drink with me in patts in may 2012 and giving me advice. i hope to meet other great isgers like them, sushilover808 et al.

my usual disclaimer: don't bother reading this. blah blah blah. imho and ymmv.

1) lovingasia wrote: "goldstar bar is one of the places to view activities on ws without having to pay up for expensive drinks (water 30b?). seems it's harder to get st500 / lt1000. amex has been spending a lot more this time round, which makes me think he's now got a job!"

my reply:

- nope, still an unemployed, poor student but i plan to do los 2013 probably starting x june 2013 for 30 days.

- yes, if i remember correctly at goldstar bar it's b30 / water, at basilisk beerbar b40 / water and frog beerbar b60 / water (both basilisk & frog are at the front of new simon beerbar complex on ws so excellent people viewing + free popcorn / peanuts + coyote dancers starting at 21:00 or so). at superbaby / supergirl gogos it's b110 / bottled water. when i get a drink (water, soda, draft beer, whatever) i almost always tip a b20 bill (i prefer that to leaving coins) and i don't loiter long so the employees / waitresses always seem happy to have me return even though i'm a cheap charlie.

- in may 2012 i saved money by limiting purchases of lds and bfs. i only bought 3 or so lds: for basilisk's mamasan nan, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]' sp, i think soi 6 sp and 1 or 2 other lds. i paid 2 bfs: friend 10 from sirens / pattaya beer garden beerbar complex which turned out to be a waste and friend 4 kwang (?) at soi 6 who was well worth the bf and more.

- it is harder for me to get st b500 / lt b1, 000 but what i do now is during negotiations sometimes up my offer to st b600 / lt b1, 200 factoring upfront the tip i probably would have given to the sp. the problem with this is that then i don't have the option to exclude the st tip b100 / lt tip b200 when i get disappointing service.

2) henry r wrote: "what to do with a girl who didn't do it. the other girl was quieter and seemed to go along with whatever the prettier girl wanted. this prettier one kept demanding money with a look of anger and determination. it happened a few times. my impression was that she was not going to back down. i just got the feeling the girl might never leave without the money. i started getting worried that she may have an enforcer somewhere to go after me, so i finally paid them the money and they left."

my reply:

- get her to leave your room and as she's in the hallway / out of your room give her the reduced or no pay, then carefully shut the door in her face (i've had to do that to a couple of sps). if a sp agrees to lt but only does st, then i'm going to pay her the st rate. if we don't do fs / bj, then there's no payment since there's no delivery of services; at best i'll give her a token severance payment to get rid of her.

- if she won't accept the the reduced / no pay: a) if she won't leave your hotel room, call your hotel receptionist for security to escort her from your room. be) tell her to take up the issue with the tourist police (which would be more helpful to you than just the thai police) but either way she needs to get lost.

[QUOTE=Amex Spg;1310289]- Nope, still an unemployed, poor student but I plan to do LOS 2013 probably starting X June 2013 for 30 days.[/QUOTE]Hey, thanks for all your posts. Useful for a newbie like me. I will buy you a drink when we meet someday. I'm in Pats in Sept / Oct.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1310852]Tourist police are not there to ensure the blowjob the girl promised you in the bar will be delivered. Hahahaha! Get real people!

To tell you the truth I don't know what tourist police are for. LOL.[/QUOTE]I don't know why, but everytime I walk past that table with the dudes in cuffs on WS, they are mostly Russians with blood on their shirts.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1311011]I don't know why, but everytime I walk past that table with the dudes in cuffs on WS, they are mostly Russians with blood on their shirts.[/QUOTE]It is Russian man mentality to drink and fight. Most of them are not able to control emotions, even an eye glance can trigger those insecure (deep inside) souls for a fight. In Russia the cool guy is not the ones that can keep his head straight in any given situation. The real man show that emotion in form of bad language and fighting. It is insecurity and socially accepted phenomena in Russia " man should fight".

And I don't have anything against those people in case it dose seem like it on my post.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1311319]It is Russian man mentality to drink and fight. Most of them are not able to control emotions, even an eye glance can trigger those insecure (deep inside) souls for a fight. In Russia the cool guy is not the ones that can keep his head straight in any given situation. The real man show that emotion in form of bad language and fighting. It is insecurity and socially accepted phenomena in Russia " man should fight".

And I don't have anything against those people in case it dose seem like it on my post.[/QUOTE]Funny I never see them putting up much of a fight when they get clocked in the face by the LBs on Walking Street.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1311512]Funny I never see them putting up much of a fight when they get clocked in the face by the LBs on Walking Street.[/QUOTE]Russians would also be hugely embarrassed if they hit a woman (who's not their wife / gf) in public, so LBs mess with their brain.

Great night last night. I had just lined up a girl to take out of the disco. She went 3 feet back to the table with her friends. I saw the girl at the table next to hers alone smoking a hookah. Tall, white skinned (as many of you guys like) , with braces (just like I like). She immediately got out of her seat, grabbed her purse from under the table. I thought she was leaving but she was coming to talk to me. She said something about me being her type and she had seen me on Walking Street earlier and had been watching as all the girls in the club came up and talked to me. I told her that I lived here so they all know me and like to come say hello. She wondered why it was her first time seeing me and I told her that I had just come out because a friend was in town so I had to show him around. She said she was not a hooker and didn't live here, but lived in Prague and was here on vacation and this was her last night. I called bullshit and told her to show me some Prague ID. She pulled out her iphone and showed me a bunch of pictures of her in Prague. As soon as she clicked the photo icon a bunch of pictures came up of her bare chested. I said wait that is what I want to see. I asked why she had all those pictures. She said she had just gotten implants (96K baht) in BKK two weeks ago and had to take a picture each day. She pulled me back over to her table to sit down and smoke with her. She offered to buy me a drink but I declined. She ordered a bottle of water.

I kept telling her to leave with me, but she said she wanted to enjoy her last night. I asked her again when she finished the bottle of water and she decided to come with me. We got on my bike and started down Second Road. She said she was staying at her aunt's house in Siam Country Club and asked me to take her there. I said we are going to my place now but I will take you in the morning. We got to my place and she voluntarily started massaging my back. I threw on a Thai movie and took off my shirt to give her better access. I kept putting my hand up her dress rubbing on her legs. She told me that we wouldn't be doing anything of that nature tonight but wanted to be friends. I told her that there was no way she was putting me in the friend zone as beautiful as she was. Finally one thing led to another and sparks were flying. Afterwards she told me thank you and I said NO, THANK YOU!

She kept telling me that I could go to sleep if I wanted. I finally dozed off. I don't know if she did as well. But what seemed like a few minutes later, 7:38am to be exact, she woke me up. She was dressed and headed for the door saying that I didn't need to take her home, she would get a motorbike taxi. I begged her to stay. She said she really couldn't sleep with anyone else in the bed. She asked for a pen to write her number and said we could get together later on if I wanted, but she had to do some shopping before she left and she would be heading to the airport at 1am. I am supposed to be going to BKK to spend time with my girl there since it is her day off, but I will just have to be in the dog house with her. I gotta see this chick again!

I checked the soap Body massage places in Pattaya:

SabaiDee, SabaiLand, SabaiRoom. Located on the 2nd road, north from Alcazar show. SabaiDee is now under reconstruction, should be ready next year.

Rasputin. Between 2nd road and beach road, south from Alcazar show.

Honey. On a backstreet from the 2nd road, north from Central Arcade. There is a sign on the 2nd road.

PP. Between Soi Bukhao and the 3rd road, north from Central Arcade. There is a sign on the Soi Bukhao.

All works from 1pm to 1am (last order) except PP which works from 2pm to 2am.

Each has many girls in a fishbowl (many are good looking) , the price depends on the color of their number: red. 1800 Ba, blue 2200 or more, orange 2500. The service includes washing in a bathtub, naked body massage with bath foam, and FS.

In all of them except Honey they suggested drinks for you and lady which cost about 200+ Bath, but sometime I refused.

I paid either no tip to girl or very small one, like 40 or 50 Bath.

SabaiLand and Rasputin has more luxury rooms with mirrows, but the rooms are big and good in all of them.

P. S.

In Hard Rock Hotel every Saturday they have a "foam discotheque": the discotheque is in an open place and they throw there a lot of bath foam from a tube. People are dancing in bathing suits in bath foam which is sometime as high as waist and sometime as high as head. The foam is the same like the one used for body massage.

Any pics of this freebie with new breasts?

I was in Pattaya recently for a total of almost two weeks. I loved it. The Russians didn't bother me, the hotel was great, the food was good, the weather was nice, the pussy went from B300-500 and B800 for LT or ST3sum.

I'll be back.

Freeler out.

Freeler,

I was in Pattaya recently for a total of almost two weeks. I loved it. The Russians didn't bother me, the hotel was great, the food was good, the weather was nice, the pussy went from B300-500 and B800 for LT or ST3sum.

Couldn't agree more "Pattaya definatly rocks" but details Pleasssee bro!

[QUOTE=Freeler;1311914]I was in Pattaya recently for a total of almost two weeks. I loved it. The pussy went from B300-500 and B800 for LT or ST3sum.Freeler out.[/QUOTE]Freeler, glad you had a good time. Most of us think Pattaya still rocks, but your report left out some key critical information like the names of bars you hung out in and that you thought rocked, how many girls were available in these places, their quality and attitude.

[QUOTE=Freeler; 1311914]I was in Pattaya. The pussy went from B300-500 and B800 for LT or ST3sum.

I'll be back.

Freeler out.[/QUOTE]When was this. 1972?

As to the Russian tourists in Pattaya: They are just an oddity. There are a lot of great beach destinations in Thailand where you can take your girlfriend or wife and family and have a great winter vacation. Pattaya sadly is not one of them. These Russian couples and families are mostly incredibly cheap travel illiterates who don't know any better. They clog up South Walking Street and take away from the Go Go porn atmosphere. Occasionally a Russian couple will enter a Go Go and enjoy the scene, even get friendly with some of the bar girls and barfine them. I like these Russians. They are players. Some of these R. Girls are hot.

So Live and let live, but it is just crazy to see so many Russian and other ethnic family types coming to Pattaya nowadays. I know they would be happier somewhere else. That is one of the good things about AC. You have to look real hard to find anybody walking down Fields Ave at night looking for anything else besides Poontang. AC is still 100% depraved! Pattaya is becoming a caricature of itself.

I am on the 5th day of my q1-week Pattaya escapade. I was planning to take the night off but just could not resist this "so so" girl from a bar I'm pone of the small sois with whom we just agreed for a massage, but Long time for 500 BHTs. She is an educated girl in mid-twenties but not too much on the looks-side that would appeal me.

She is now massaging me as I fool around the internet and particularly the DIA. I have to quote her without any intention of prejeducie on one nation or so. I just liked the quote, and that's the only reason why I took her with me tonite : "Japanese are short in the size but long in the pocket".

I hope to find the time to report more.

By the way, The girls from Baccara asked for 4000 BHT. Is this a fair price? BF would be 600 on top.

I wouldn't mind to pay this much given some were really hot, but I am spoiled by the low prices of Pattaya already.

[QUOTE=Freeler; 1311914]I was in Pattaya recently for a total of almost two weeks. I loved it. The Russians didn't bother me, the hotel was great, the food was good, the weather was nice, the pussy went from B300-500 and B800 for LT or ST3sum.

I'll be back.

Freeler out.[/QUOTE]Pussy for 300bt Freeler? You didn't, did you? No surely not. Not a Bush babe?

[quote=natty bumpo;1311983]so live and let live, but it is just crazy to see so many russian and other ethnic family types coming to pattaya nowadays.[/quote]i can't understand the mentally of a family vacation in pattaya.

i gather this is how the conversation went down:

father: come on kids; let's go on vacation to disneyland. we could go to the one in paris, hong kong, or in japan! it will be fun!

kids: oh hell no dad, we want to go to pattayaland! we want to hang out with 40 to 50 thousand working girls. plus, the ladyboys on walking street are always entertaining.

father: well okay, but the next vacation we will go to either angeles city or tijuana!

kids: yippee! we are going to pattayaland! yippee! yippee!

A lot of those Russians aren't just here on vacation. They are moving here permanently, building businesses, laundering money (woo hoo!) , and sending their kids to school here.

[QUOTE=Member #3200;1311888]Any pics of this freebie with new breasts?[/QUOTE]Nope but here is one I lifted off her facebook before the new breasts.

[quote=tomjackin; 1312069]i can't understand the mentally of a family vacation in pattaya.

i gather this is how the conversation went down:

father: come on kids; let's go on vacation to disneyland. we could go to the one in paris, hong kong, or in japan! it will be fun!

kids: oh hell no dad, we want to go to pattayaland! we want to hang out with 40 to 50 thousand working girls. plus, the ladyboys on walking street are always entertaining.

father: well okay, but the next vacation we will go to either angeles city or tijuana!

kids: yippee! we are going to pattayaland! yippee! yippee![/quote]bravo, tomjackin. isg needs a "like" button. i sure as hell don't get those rooskie idiots with their fuckin' (or not!) idea of family fun. dooooooshbags!

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1312125]Bravo, Tomjackin. ISG needs a "Like" button. I sure as hell don't get those Rooskie idiots with their fuckin' (or not!) idea of family fun. Dooooooshbags![/QUOTE]I really LIKED Tomjackin's post and like your idea even more! Maybe Jackson will like the idea too.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1312069]I can't understand the mentally of a family vacation in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]The main reason this happens is because Pattaya is the most affordable place to send tourists to experience a beach and the sea. They're sent there despite the fact that Pattaya is what it is. In other words, they're tricked into it. They go expecting some kind of tropical beach resort area akin to Phuket, and get Pattaya in all its glory instead. The people running these tours are marketing to tourists from developing countries (China, India, Vietnam, etc.) and their market niche has much slimmer profit margins than western tourists who would go to Phuket or islands instead. If you were in one of these countries, you would see it. Generally the Thailand tour offers the option of going to a sea resort, and that is always Pattaya. It's much cheaper to send them there than other places, thus more profit for the tour operators. Pretty deceptive and seedy if you ask me.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1312161]The main reason this happens is because Pattaya is the most affordable place to send tourists to experience a beach and the sea. They're sent there despite the fact that Pattaya is what it is. In other words, they're tricked into it. They go expecting some kind of tropical beach resort area akin to Phuket, and get Pattaya in all its glory instead. The people running these tours are marketing to tourists from developing countries (China, India, Vietnam, etc.) and their market niche has much slimmer profit margins than western tourists who would go to Phuket or islands instead. If you were in one of these countries, you would see it. Generally the Thailand tour offers the option of going to a sea resort, and that is always Pattaya. It's much cheaper to send them there than other places, thus more profit for the tour operators. Pretty deceptive and seedy if you ask me.[/QUOTE]Wow! That's an interesting insight. I always thought the families knew what they were getting themselves into and try to mostly stay in Phratunmak or Jomtien. But I noticed the majority in these areas seem to be Russian or Eastern European. I've seen the Asian family tourists stay near 3rd road and Naklua.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1312161]The main reason this happens is because Pattaya is the most affordable place to send tourists to experience a beach and the sea. They're sent there despite the fact that Pattaya is what it is. In other words, they're tricked into it. They go expecting some kind of tropical beach resort area akin to Phuket, and get Pattaya in all its glory instead. The people running these tours are marketing to tourists from developing countries (China, India, Vietnam, etc.) and their market niche has much slimmer profit margins than western tourists who would go to Phuket or islands instead. If you were in one of these countries, you would see it. Generally the Thailand tour offers the option of going to a sea resort, and that is always Pattaya. It's much cheaper to send them there than other places, thus more profit for the tour operators. Pretty deceptive and seedy if you ask me.[/QUOTE]Fully agreeing on this! Do not underestimate that Pataya can be rateed as the beach of Bangkok (always for the tourist agents) : in one hour or so you can arrange the group goes to visit the big cit. So it is an additional excursion they can add to make money (and it works the other way around for the metropolitan tourist: go to Pattaya for a day / night trip)

Thailand is triopical Pattaya sounds exotic, Pattaya beach (for those who did not see it) sounds the perfect match.

They land in BKK (no need of connectiing flights to Samui or Phuket, or take the more expenisve flight options to Phuket, unless it is a charter flight, but you have to out together at least 250 each time) , a bus transfer and you are in "heaven".

Till I started to hang around in Thailand a couple of times a year, I also thought Pattaya was a possible (legitimate) tourist destination.

Now I know I will not go there for tourism and beaches. Unless you plan to go further on, past Pattaya.

So for mass tourism and, pardon me, low budget travelers, Pattaya is the ideal destination.

Low budget travelers are also not looking for sophisticated destinations to add culture and insights to their experience. A beach, warm temperature, sunshine, beer, bars where to hang out at night, cheap international food (nothing from you rown country, but nothing local, just a mix of everything) in debatable restaurants where food goes by price and pciture on a plastsified menu, is all what they are looking for.

If to all this you add the sexual services one can find in that places, you add more visitors (the professional mongerers) with a legitimate reason to go there:

"where have you been?","Pattaya, Thailand, don't you see it from my suntan?","oh, lucky you!"

Those who never been there will be impressed, thinking the guy laid on a tropical white beach, under a palm tree, semi-deserted, and drinking fruit cocktails.

If the palce would be only a mongering destination, people will look at him with weird eyes (if he will ever mention where he has been) thinking "this guy must be a sex tourist".

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1312175]If the palce would be only a mongering destination, people will look at him with weird eyes (if he will ever mention where he has been) thinking "this guy must be a sex tourist".[/QUOTE]In my country a single man can't say he wen't to Pattaya with out people knowing he is a sex tourist. I have to make up a story about going some place else in Thailand. Still working on my cover for going next month.

You guys have any good ideas or suggestions?

A few yeas ago I heard that the Russians were coming because of tour packages as you guys have said. But think of it. You get out of Russian winter with warm weather, beach, and beer and vodka. If you were in Russia during this time wouldn't you want out. Ant the Russian economy has gotten better over the last 20 years.

As far as Russian businesses opening in Pattaya. It is any different than the Japanese in Bangkok or the Japs and Koreans in AC. If their countryman go there somebody will try to make a buck from the mother country boys.

[QUOTE=Mattador;1312008]The girls.asked for 4000 BHT. Is this a fair price? BF would be 600 on top?[/QUOTE]IMHO, no! 4000B is western prices and absolutely crazy for Pattaya. Why is everyone so hellbent on driving up prices here? What's going on?

And yes, they would also expect you to pay a bar-fine on top of that!

If the girl asks for 4000B it means she really doesn't want to go with you.

What saved my rear once, big time, was I told hotel security I caught the gal going through my things. Was a lie, but the situation being what it was, police downstairs, lots of noise by the gal, etc, it was her or me, I picked me.

They take a different attitude when you bring up the issue of theft.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1310656]You need new mentors.

You going to get yourself killed![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Freeler; 1311914]I was in Pattaya recently for a total of almost two weeks. I loved it. The Russians didn't bother me, the hotel was great, the food was good, the weather was nice, the pussy went from B300-500 and B800 for LT or ST3sum.

I'll be back.

Freeler out.[/QUOTE]Love to read a detailed post Freeler? Not a difficult ask, I'm sure you could find the time and the effort. Thanks mate.

[QUOTE=BambiJacobson; 1312348]In my country a single man can't say he wen't to Pattaya with out people knowing he is a sex tourist. I have to make up a story about going some place else in Thailand. Still working on my cover for going next month.

You guys have any good ideas or suggestions?[/QUOTE]Well as for cover stories I have years of experience making them up. Depends ofcourse who the coverstory is meant for. I guess you don't have to make up covers for close friends but in my case I make up coverstories / lie mostly to my norwegian GF sometimes my boss. I don't go so much to Pattaya though but a coverstory is a coverstory even so.

In general keep the coverstory as simpel as possible so atleast you can remember it yourself. If you have to make up a coverstory for a GF I am sure you also know girls remembers as elephants.

You have to remember what to do with your cellphone atleast if you lie and say you are in another country. I. E it is tricky if you say you are in the US and a friendly female thaivoice is telling you can not be reached in Thai so arrange your own answeringservice so atleast everyone can here your voice and they can leave a message after the "bip".

Make sure no one sees your travellingplans. My girlfriend knows I sometimes have to leave in a hurry and go to many places around the globe and that is partly true but ofcourse I take advantage of this situation and use this as an excuse if I just want to monger in SEA and my only business is pussybusiness. I can say I go almost anywhere but Thailand and Pinay country is forbidden. My GF is norwegian but she is mixed pinay (motherside) but she is born in Norway. She knows to well what is going on in ie Thailand or the Phillys so she would leave me instantly if she knew I was there.

Allways download some pics from the internet and make them yours as proof of where you have been and pray your gf does not find the same site you downloaded them from.

If you just have one passport hide that one. But as I understand you you just don't want to admit you to Pattaya? Then your aim should be to get rid of all the evidence from Pattaya (hotel vouchers, and toiletproducts from the Pattaya hotel and so on). If you are lying as I am sometimes it comes in handy to have dual passports (2 passports). Sometimes I have to go to arabic countries and even Iran and stamps from I. E Israel does not let you into Iran. So I have 2 passports (my need had to be confirmed from my employer though). My gf does not know that because my hidden passport is also my monger passport.

Just some pointers. Sounded better when I first had them in my head and was trying to get what you aimed at. Hope it still can be of some use (and for others too). I do it as a hobby a thrill. Just remember to have all your insurances in order in case you get caught who knows what will happen, hehe.

[QUOTE=BambiJacobson; 1312348]In my country a single man can't say he wen't to Pattaya with out people knowing he is a sex tourist. I have to make up a story about going some place else in Thailand. Still working on my cover for going next month.

You guys have any good ideas or suggestions?[/QUOTE]Sure. The easiest way to handle this problem is to say you stayed in Chonburi or perhaps Banglamung, both of which are completely true.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1310200]Dose any of you guy stay on "Pattaya Discovery Beach Hotel" and know if its girl friendly? Here is a link to hotel.

[url]http://finn.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g293919-d1126517-Reviews-or40-Pattaya_Discovery_Beach_Hotel-Pattaya_Chonburi_Province.html[/url]

#REVIEWS[/QUOTE]Yes. I stayed in June 2011, girl friendly and a nice place.

[QUOTE=BambiJacobson; 1312348]In my country a single man can't say he wen't to Pattaya with out people knowing he is a sex tourist. I have to make up a story about going some place else in Thailand. Still working on my cover for going next month.

You guys have any good ideas or suggestions?[/QUOTE]It'll be more believable if it fits what they already know about you. Like the sea? Fishing? Snorkeling? Say you went to Phuket. How you back that up is your problem. Need dental or medical treatment at a reduced rate? You're in the right place. Go home with a sex change operation and who could deny your cover story? Sorry, I was being helpful up until then.

C4T

[QUOTE=The Scout;1312163]Wow! That's an interesting insight. I always thought the families knew what they were getting themselves into and try to mostly stay in Phratunmak or Jomtien. But I noticed the majority in these areas seem to be Russian or Eastern European. I've seen the Asian family tourists stay near 3rd road and Naklua.[/QUOTE]I met a girl in China online, good girl university student who dreamed of visting other countries. She booked a tour to Thailand / Cambodia using all her savings, for her this was a hugely extravagant expense. The tour put them in Chinatown in Bangkok, often took them to jewelry shops and malls where they'd be let loose for shopping time (I'm sure there were kickbacks for this) , to some major sites in BKK like palace, what Po etc. Kanchanaburi was on the itinerary for one day trip. And Pattaya a few days, where they saw a lady boy show (?) , went to the beach and of course yet more souvenir shopping. The Cambodia leg? Koh Kong casino, not even 1km inside the country, for a short day trip, then back to Thailand. To make that seem like a legitimate tourist expreience, they had Khmer dancers perform for them at the hotel / casino.

Middle class people I've met in Vietnam have told me about their own trips to Thailand that had similar itineraries. One VNese friend of a friend even got hit with the jet ski scam in Pattaya for $600, which is devastating for someone who saves for a few years to be able to make that trip. I can't wait for one of those jet ski guys to pull that on the wrong Russian mafia thug, end up strung up on a light pole.

p.s.: Dear Jackson, the spell checker on the forum is a bit overzealous. It automatically changed the name of the most famous tourist site in Thailand from its proper spelling/capitalization to the word 'what' all lower case.

I have used "koh samui" on my wife.

[QUOTE=BambiJacobson; 1312348]In my country a single man can't say he wen't to Pattaya with out people knowing he is a sex tourist. I have to make up a story about going some place else in Thailand. Still working on my cover for going next month.

You guys have any good ideas or suggestions?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BambiJacobson;1312348]In my country a single man can't say he wen't to Pattaya with out people knowing he is a sex tourist. I have to make up a story about going some place else in Thailand. Still working on my cover for going next month.You guys have any good ideas or suggestions?[/QUOTE]My friends all know where I go and why I go there. I have travelled and punted with some of my best buddies for years and some of them are wilder and crazier than I am. But I understand from bitter experience that appearances have to be maintained for certain straight laced business associates and conservative family members. It is not wise to divulge too much personal stuff to these individuals. They are still hardwired into the MATRIX and if told the truth, they will do you harm. I don't even like telling these folks I am going to Thailand. Even the dumbest and most naive ones will catch on sooner or later."Natty, you are going to Thailand, AGAIN? Didn't you go there last year and the year before and the year before. And the year before that? You must really like it there, you go so often. What do you do there?" So I make up fictional itineraries for these folks. Last year for example, I went to Southern China and visited Dali and Lijiang. I had a make believe great time. Actually I did visit HKG and Macau so I wasn't too far off. LOL. Another year I was trekking in Nepal. The year before that I was visiting Bagan and Mandalay, Burma. Fortunately I have been to all these countries so I can describe things pretty good and have a hard drive of pictures to back it up. My storys hold up because I have been traveling for decades and I am known for being well travelled. Most people don't really care about where you go as long as you are not going somewhere hedonistic and naughty, so big elaborations are not necessary. Just tell them you had a good time, the country was very beautiful and the people were friendly. The conversation will quickly move on to more mundane topics.

Be sure to set your Skype account to show your home cell phone number as your caller id.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1313117]. But I understand from bitter experience that appearances have to be maintained for certain straight laced business associates and conservative family members.[/quote]I will always remember the look at me from a German immigration agent when I handed over my passport and boarding card of the TG flight to BKK :"Bangkok. Ts ts ts" and a glance that said all ("you bastard don't tell me you go for business, I am envious") LOL

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1313117]Be sure to set your Skype account to show your home cell phone number as your caller id.[/QUOTE]Thanks HenryV, Natty Bumpo and Bionicman for suggestions.

My cover has to be so that when I use my cellphone, which I must, to text or call home it will say 0066 infront of my number (Thailand area code) so it has to be a place in Thailand.

My current favorite picks are Koh Samui or Koh Chang. I am leaning towards Koh Chang because I have a divers license and :" I really want to explore the beautifull ocean bed there."

Which is kinda true in that there in all likelihood will be beds and (muff) diving involved in my travels.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1313117]Most people don't really care about where you go as long as you are not going somewhere hedonistic and naughty, so big elaborations are not necessary. Just tell them you had a good time, the country was very beautiful and the people were friendly. The conversation will quickly move on to more mundane topics.[/QUOTE]Even if you go somewhere hedonistic and naughty most people don't care. It seems as if you guys just think you will be embarrassed though, but I have never found that to be the case. My mother and 2 of her sisters visited me in Pattaya this year and they had a great time. They are not blind or stupid. They could see all the old foreigners with the young Thai girls and all of the lady boys at night on Walking Street. But they didn't give a rat's ass. And they are all church ladies. I even took them into my disco hunting grounds.

Whenever ANYONE outside of Thailand asks me if I have a girlfriend or wife in Thailand I tell them that there are enough women in Pattaya alone that I can have a different one every day for the rest of my life so how could I choose just one.

Yesterday I sent a "girlfriend" of mine in BRAZIL of all places a youtube video of Pattaya and she thought it was funny and interesting, but not shameful:

Mari said.

Sleep? Sleeping now?

Now I know why you live in Thailand. Girls. Girls. Girls. Naughty girls, right?

Mrenternational x_x_x said.

Funny.

Brasil. Girls. Girls. Girls. Naughty girls tambem!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1313338]Even if you go somewhere hedonistic and naughty most people don't care.[/QUOTE]The matter is if the people you are talking to are "prude" or not, open minded or not, they immedaitely link Thailand to sex (only) or what.

I started to go to Thailand visit a good friend of mine who runs a bar on an island, fully "legitimate" trip as I was nearby and a few days to kill without returning back home.

Wife was ok with it. She never been to Thailand and will never go, for a fact.

Whether she thinks I avail of some fun, I don't know, maybe she thinks, maybe she doesn't. Even when I stay in BKK for few days. I jsut say I like the atmosphere, realx, food, people (see? I do not lie, people includes also girl, LOL)

Still when we talk with friends and I mention Thailand, some give "that smile". See what I mean? She commented once "I do not know what he does there."

But it is hedgy as some can imagine.

Of course I do not share by all means with family friends anything that might induce "bad thinking", I slip the subject.

But she once said: "heard about sex with minors is sometime offered in those countries, that is absolutely bad". So she make a firm statement like "don't care what happens there, but stay away from that"

If we see passers by in the hot areas of Pattaya, Phuket and BKK indeed we see families.

It is all visible and clear. It is inevitable somebody will ask her / himself: "is this guy not taking any of these when he is here"?

[QUOTE=BambiJacobson; 1313225]Thanks HenryV, Natty Bumpo and Bionicman for suggestions. My cover has to be so that when I use my cellphone, which I must, to text or call home it will say 0066 infront of my number (Thailand area code) so it has to be a place in Thailand.

My current favorite picks are Koh Samui or Koh Chang. I am leaning towards Koh Chang because I have a divers license and :" I really want to explore the beautifull ocean bed there."

Which is kinda true in that there in all likelihood will be beds and (muff) diving involved in my travels.[/QUOTE]Sometime the intl code does not come out, sometime I have strange numbers visible and can't see what it is (surely some intl provider generic switchboard ID)

You can always say it is some funny switchboard number as with digital phone lines nowadays, phone connections get funny routes.

Onlyu have to be careful on the background noise. First time I went to Thailand, officially I was in KL. Got a call from home when I was on the beach and the daughter of my friend was about to shout my name in the back ground. I quickly moved away. Difficult to explain why somebody in KL was calling me, with seawave noise in the background.

Always call home first, taking advantage of time difference, saying you soon go to bed) so that you do not get a call whilst you are in a bar with the noise and shouting in the background. Do not answer to calls if at night you are somewhere naughty, you just have to say you went to bed early. And if a girl is diving in your bed before you pick the phone just say "home calling", she'll keep quiet.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1313359]Sometime the intl code does not come out, sometime I have strange numbers visible and can't see what it is (surely some intl provider generic switchboard ID) You can always say it is some funny switchboard number as with digital phone lines nowadays, phone connections get funny routes.[/QUOTE]This happens especially when calling from Skype. When I am outside of Thailand and call someone in Thailand they say a Thai number shows up. They try to call it back and get shit. When I call my mother in the States from Skype she says that sometimes all 0s come up. It seems like these caller IDs have taken over so much that people can not longer just answer the phone and ask who is calling. It works when you have never been anywhere and are just used to talking to people in your local circle, but it is shit for people who are on a global scale. When I left Thailand last month everyday I called a chick and she would never answer the phone. When I got back last week I chewed her out. She said she never got my calls because she did not see my number in her phone. I had to explain to her there is no way she can see my Thai number if I am not calling from my Thai phone IN Thailand. Sheesh. But can I really expect them to know any better?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1313374]This happens especially when calling from Skype. When I am outside of Thailand and call someone in Thailand they say a Thai number shows up. They try to call it back and get shit.[/QUOTE]I refer to cell phone calls to eitehr ground or cell lines. Happens often, not only in Asia, the display number is "non-sense" and not even much related to the country.

[quote=bionicman;1313359]sometime the intl code does not come out, sometime i have strange numbers visible and can't see what it is (surely some intl provider generic switchboard id)[/quote]yes, it's true, sometime inter calls are looks funny and confusing. here is my 2 bhts, might be explained a bit. this may clear some clouds for other posters too.

every country has own phone regulatory authority. this authority provides phone channels for themselves and for other phone operators too. when some one dials using generic country code and the voice runs through the generic channel than the receiver will get the original call destination has been dialed out. and it was the standard way was in practice since from the phone service was born.

now a days there are some other phone call in practice, is called voip. voice over internet protocol. it's a cheap phone service and in every country has legal or illegal providers doing huge business. they using various channels provided by the phone operators for voice routes. it is very simple and easy method for a known person using simply a high speed pc with internet and some ip (s) (provided by the phone operators). they handle millions of voice channels just throwing them in their convenient low cost routs available that time. that's why some one receiving a phone call in his bed while he was rimming a pussy in pat, showing unknown numbers or a number from malaysia. when he hear the voice from other end, he shocked and immediately pulled out his finger because, it was his wife from home in another country.

it happen just bcuz, some one used cheap call service instead of using straight generic country code. or the phone operator from any part diverting the phone calls to any voip service. off course you can not call back in this numbers because the voip providers using the sim you can call dead sim. these are used for call generation only not for receiving.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1311980]Freeler, glad you had a good time. Most of us think Pattaya still rocks, but your report left out some key critical information like the names of bars you hung out in and that you thought rocked, how many girls were available in these places, their quality and attitude.[/QUOTE]I don't hang out is bars. Bars are for losers. I strolled along Beach Road and a whole bunch of gals I had before wanted to cum with me gladly. For the unknowing at what may seem 7-ties prices, but they are really 2012 numbers. Learn to speak some Thai, be nice, make them happy too and enjoy like me. I didn't like Pattaya much over the past 6 or 7 years, but now. DAMN!

F:)!

[QUOTE=Bumholes1;1312023]Pussy for 300bt Freeler? You didn't, did you? No surely not. Not a Bush babe?[/QUOTE]Don't you know that by now even Thai-Chinese chicks shave? Only way upcountry some girl still keep their Bush.

F:)!

[QUOTE=Freeler; 1313779]Don't you know that by now even Thai-Chinese chicks shave? Only way upcountry some girl still keep their Bush.

F![/QUOTE]When Bumholes mentioned a Bush Babe he wasn't talking about public hair. He was talking about the women who hang at the crack shacks up in the Bush across from the go cart racing thing.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1313860]When Bumholes mentioned a Bush Babe he wasn't talking about public hair. He was talking about the women who hang at the crack shacks up in the Bush across from the go cart racing thing.[/QUOTE]My guess is that Freeler was talking about the dozens of MILF types found on Beach Road who would no doubt go with him at 70's prices because they know him and need the money.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1313890]My guess is that Freeler was talking about the dozens of MILF types found on Beach Road who would no doubt go with him at 70's prices because they know him and need the money.[/QUOTE]Perhaps they were left-overs from the 70's, in which case they should have paid Freeler!

Rather a case of someone talking through their bumhole. Not much to be believed on ISG unless it is photographed. Or, perhaps the old nutcase constantly walking about Beach Road and Soi 6 scanning the road for pittance.

[QUOTE=Noddy;1313905]Rather a case of someone talking through their bumhole. Not much to be believed on ISG unless it is photographed.[/QUOTE]Well 300 baht on BR is my going rate so it is quite believable to me. When I leave out of the house to go to Beach Road I bring 500 baht. I will bargain for 300, but pay no more than 400 if absolutely necessary. + 100 for short time room (PS shithole) or 120 if I go to the short time room on Second Road.

The ones at the crack shacks you can just give them 200. They will probably accept 150 truth be told.

I've never heard of this before! The sound of bargain basement wenches hiding in the bushes is hilarious and interesting. I haven't dabbled with freelancers in Pattaya, but I may on my next trip. Is there a more complete report on this somewhere on the forum?

I'd like to see pics of these 300 baht girls

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1313950]I'd like to see pics of these 300 baht girls[/QUOTE]Maybe me too, but not after a meal.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1313950]I'd like to see pics of these 300 baht girls[/QUOTE]Sure. Just be sure to send your dick along so that while I'm taking the pictures for you I can put your dick into the girl as well. If you guys spent half the time investigating on your own instead of questioning everything people post then you MIGHT be able to get some pussy. A couple of years back when I mentioned paying 500 baht on Beach Road and another member chimed in and said they would actually go for 300, did I question him, argue about it, or debate about it? No. I took my ass down there and tried it for myself. And afterwards I thanked him for pulling my coat on the matter.

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1313945]I've never heard of this before! The sound of bargain basement wenches hiding in the bushes is hilarious and interesting. I haven't dabbled with freelancers in Pattaya, but I may on my next trip. Is there a more complete report on this somewhere on the forum?[/QUOTE]There are reports with pictures in this thread dated over two two years ago. Here is a pic one member posted with his report.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1313913]Actually I do bekieve prices guys say they pay. What I question is how unattractive the girl is. LOL. 300 in Pattaya got to be low end of the low end group of girls. Hahahaha!

Thank god for these girls, it keeps a cap on what other grls charge.[/QUOTE]In todays Pattaya there really is nothing worth more than 300b on beach road. A few years ago there were some worth 500b but those types are now long gone!

Are any of you guys able to get WS gogo girls for 1k ST? I got one to go a few weeks ago for 1k, but it was really hard negotiating. Prices and attitudes in WS gogos have gotten worse.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1314045]In todays Pattaya there really is nothing worth more than 300b on beach road. A few years ago there were some worth 500b but those types are now long gone!

Are any of you guys able to get WS gogo girls for 1k ST? I got one to go a few weeks ago for 1k, but it was really hard negotiating. Prices and attitudes in WS gogos have gotten worse.[/QUOTE]Walking Street bars are for suckers. The beach is the way to go. Don't be so cheap, pay them 1K.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1314045]In todays Pattaya there really is nothing worth more than 300b on beach road. A few years ago there were some worth 500b but those types are now long gone![/QUOTE]You are wrong Amjeck. They are still there: exactly the same women, but now with a few more years of mileage. ;)

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1314043]There are reports with pictures in this thread dated over two two years ago. Here is a pic one member posted with his report.[/QUOTE]I recall this. But this was the deluxe room.

Hi All,

I am planning my first Thai trip in the last week of September. I will there for 1 week and want to have fun with Thai girls. After reading thru the reports I decided either Phuket or Pattaya. I would like to settle down at one place for the whole week rather than traveling in between the trip. I am right now in favor of Phuket as after reading thru the forums I got the impression that Phuket is more relaxed and have younger girls, unlike Pattaya which is more business oriented and have women in mid 30's. My preferences for this trip in order are quality of girls (young and personality) , good Thai restaurants and some shopping. I am OK with paying premium prices if the quality (both girls and food) is better. In a high season I would have gone to Phuket as quality of girls will almost same every where. Being a low season I need some advice. Let me know if any of my impressions above are wrong and please suggest which one to go for on my first experience of LOS.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1313922]Well 300 baht on BR is my going rate so it is quite believable to me. When I leave out of the house to go to Beach Road I bring 500 baht. I will bargain for 300, but pay no more than 400 if absolutely necessary. + 100 for short time room (PS shithole) or 120 if I go to the short time room on Second Road.

The ones at the crack shacks you can just give them 200. They will probably accept 150 truth be told.[/QUOTE]Whilst the rates for ST and LT have shot up over the last 20+ years. PS has remained at the same rate it was all those years ago.

[quote=mythaitrip1; 1314208]hi all,

i am planning my first thai trip in the last week of september. i will there for 1 week and want to have fun with thai girls. after reading thru the reports i decided either phuket or pattaya. (...) i am right now in favor of phuket as after reading thru the forums i got the impression that phuket is more relaxed and have younger girls, unlike pattaya which is more business oriented and have women in mid 30's.[/quote]i have never been to phuket (other than passing through on my way to krabi) , so it is difficult to compare, but you will find "young" women in pattaya as well. most of the women who look to be in their twenties are actually 30-something and those who are 20-something look ****. if given the choice, i take experience over young-looks anytime. but i can hardly imagine that once they are 30+ these working girls leave phuket and move to pattaya. you will find a gaussian distribution of age everywhere: some young, some old and the majority in between, say around 30 (but looking younger).

[quote=mythaitrip1;1314208]my preferences for this trip in order are quality of girls (young and personality) , good thai restaurants and some shopping. i am ok with paying premium prices if the quality (both girls and food) is better.[/quote]pattaya has great food, as anywhere in thailand. i traveled to many places in thailand and found good food everywhere. don't be the scared tourist that only eats in (fancy) restaurants: street food is cheap and "arroi mak" (very tasty).

quality of girls is a never ending debate, but most old hands will confirm that "paying premium prices" is no guarantee at all for getting good service. tit! (this is thailand!) : if the girl does not like you, she will quote a high price as a polite way of saying "no". if you take her up on her offer, you have just bought yourself an expensive starfish. agogo clubs are best to "sample" the wares: for the price of a ladydrink you get her attention for a while and can see if you are "compatible". don't be shy but tell her what you want her to do. these girls have heard (and done) it all. soi 6 is a cornucopia of female charm. it is mainly for st only, but at those prices you can afford to miss once in a while. again, offer the girl a drink, go inside the bar, check her out and if you are a match, go for the room upstairs. if she was really good, try to persuade her to go with you next day on an lt assignment to your hotel.

as to shopping, pattaya has some nice malls: central plaza is quite good. do try out their food court in the basement! royal garden plaza is smaller, but not bad either. their food court is upstairs, quieter and more up-market (read: more expensive, but still good value). my thai gf likes to shop in royal garden plaza as they have more thai brands of clothing and shoes. but if she wants books, she drags me to central plaza. one place to avoid is mike's shopping mall: full of fake brands and actually more expensive than royal garden plaza.

I have been here for some days, I will try to make my contribution to forum on this Pattaya subject.

Body Massage Parlours. Tried Honey Massage, which was a big deception after all the talk here, I arrived around 6 pm, perhaps 20-25 girls in the fishbowl, many smilling to me, but quality was really disappointing. I confirm the price structure. 1.800 for the red badge, and 2. 500 for the blue badge. Waited 15 minutes and was about to leave, a situation that was upseting me a little bit, when a saw I think number 125, a blue badge girl. 23 yo that would meet my minimum standards. Her English was almost non existent, she said that was the reason she worked there instead of a Bar or a Go-Go. Overall a nice session, but I was truly disappointed with the line up.

I will also tried PP Body Massage, on the same street as Dream-Teen, I almost never saw anything written about this parlour on this forum (before Honey, all the talks where about the ones on 2nd road) , but I was very impressed!

It seemed more oriented to Asian customers, but the line up was much better, I found at least 4-5 girls I would have chosen, and most of all, I found number 525, a very beatiful girl, with whom I had a very good session. Same price structure. 1800, and 2500.

PP is worth a visit, the room was in a hotel, next door, but it was ok. Honey had better rooms, very good indeed, but good rooms is not enough for a good experience.

Sometimes I see in the Bangkok forum, people asking about the body slide, on both parlours, I had the body slide service.

Oil Massage. Visited Dream Teen, and had a session with PIM, she was nice, but the web photo is outdated by some years, felt a little bit cheated when I saw the real girl, but still an ok experience.

Bar Scene. Soi 7 and 8 were a disappointement from some years ago, quality is lower now, no doubts about it, soi 8 seemed almost a ghost from last time I was here, perhaps in higher season things will improve, but empty bars with few ugly and old girls, was a deception. Got a girl from one bar in Soi 7, LT for 1500, plus 300 bht bar fine.

I plan to visit Soi 6, but walking around made me an impression similar to soi's 7 and 8, not very good quality.

Go- Go's . Visited a few, best ones, Silver Star, Airport and Heaven above, worst ones, Alcatraz and Happy (some years ago, was much better) , in all of them you can find the young and beautiful girls, but of course, you pay much more. Got a 21 yo girl from Rhino, very nice, very beatiful, but it was 3. 000 baht LT, and 600 BF.

In general, I agree with something it was written here some days ago, you still can have fun , but if you are looking for young and beatiful girls be prepared to pay a lot.

I have been crossing Beach road almost everyday, I never asked for a price essentially because average quality is so low I wouldn't go for free. I already saw 4-5 doable girls, but it wasn't the right timing.

[QUOTE=Montecristo; 1314355]Body Massage Parlours. Tried Honey Massage, which was a big deception after all the talk here, I arrived around 6 pm, perhaps 20-25 girls in the fishbowl, many smilling to me, but quality was really disappointing. I confirm the price structure. 1.800 for the red badge, and 2. 500 for the blue badge. Waited 15 minutes and was about to leave, a situation that was upseting me a little bit, when a saw I think number 125, a blue badge girl. 23 yo that would meet my minimum standards. Her English was almost non existent, she said that was the reason she worked there instead of a Bar or a Go-Go. Overall a nice session, but I was truly disappointed with the line up.

I will also tried PP Body Massage, on the same street as Dream-Teen, I almost never saw anything written about this parlour on this forum (before Honey, all the talks where about the ones on 2nd road) , but I was very impressed!

It seemed more oriented to Asian customers, but the line up was much better, I found at least 4-5 girls I would have chosen, and most of all, I found number 525, a very beatiful girl, with whom I had a very good session. Same price structure. 1800, and 2500.[/QUOTE]Hard to say its a big deception when ya got guys on here advocating the rental of 300 baht beach road girls. They may be stunners in some people's eyes though LOL

[QUOTE=MyThaiTrip1;1314208]I got the impression that Phuket is more relaxed and have younger girls, unlike Pattaya which is more business oriented and have women in mid 30's.[/QUOTE]How did you get this impression? All places on earth have women of all ages. But seeing that you have been to neither location you won't know what you are missing by choosing one over the other. But I can assure that if you choose Phuket you will be cheating yourself. Bangla Road is small and it is shit. But don't take my word for it. You can somewhat judge the action by how many reports a section has. Pattaya 10756, Phuket 2733.

[QUOTE=Freeler; 1313775]I don't hang out is bars. Bars are for losers. I strolled along Beach Road and a whole bunch of gals I had before wanted to cum with me gladly. For the unknowing at what may seem 7-ties prices, but they are really 2012 numbers. Learn to speak some Thai, be nice, make them happy too and enjoy like me. I didn't like Pattaya much over the past 6 or 7 years, but now. DAMN!

F![/QUOTE]Well said Freeler, I m not bar addicted too not just in Pattaya. No wonder section "other areas" is so quiet since there is no Bar girls in the majority of thai towns. Many mongers doesn t how where to chase. Girls in Thailand = bars, nothing else.

And the funniest is when I read those writing:

[QUOTE]I'd like to see pics of these 300 baht girls[/QUOTE]My answer is Kick your ass and see by yourself! . You have no ideas about what is the local thai scene all over Thailand. So don t come to play the monger expert with your limited experience in farang places.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1314378]How did you get this impression? All places on earth have women of all ages. But seeing that you have been to neither location you won't know what you are missing by choosing one over the other. But I can assure that if you choose Phuket you will be cheating yourself. Bangla Road is small and it is shit. But don't take my word for it. You can somewhat judge the action by how many reports a section has. Pattaya 10756, Phuket 2733.[/QUOTE]Well said. I will add that I believe you have a higher chance of being scammed or harmed in Phuket just because the scene is so much smaller and there are more than enough predators to go around.

I have noticed that many times the beer bars will put their best lookers out there as barkers only. You need to ask if they go with customer (s) before you sit down and buy a drink.

Beach Road can be interesting. I will say that 90% of the gals are well below par. However, it is like fishing, once in a while you will catch something worthwhile. Had a few that made me wonder "what is she doing here." Met two young good looking prospects last time, but no I'd.

[QUOTE=Montecristo; 1314355]I have been here for some days, I will try to make my contribution to forum on this Pattaya subject.

[QUOTE=Montecristo;1314355]I have been crossing Beach road almost everyday, I never asked for a price essentially because average quality is so low I wouldn't go for free. I already saw 4-5 doable girls, but it wasn't the right timing.[/QUOTE]I can not disagree with this assessment, but I would suggest that punters concentrate on the [b]doable [/b]as there are some worthwhile ladies to be had on BR during the day. If you don't see anything you fancy check back a little later in the day.

The standard price is 500bht ST, and some small amount of "taxi" money is always appreciated.

[QUOTE=HenryV;1314521]Met two young good looking prospects last time, but no I'd.[/QUOTE]Quite wise of you to pass on these ladies.


SunLover

[QUOTE=MyThaiTrip1; 1314208]Hi All,

I am planning my first Thai trip in the last week of September. I will there for 1 week and want to have fun with Thai girls. After reading thru the reports I decided either Phuket or Pattaya. I would like to settle down at one place for the whole week rather than traveling in between the trip. I am right now in favor of Phuket as after reading thru the forums I got the impression that Phuket is more relaxed and have younger girls, unlike Pattaya which is more business oriented and have women in mid 30's. My preferences for this trip in order are quality of girls (young and personality) , good Thai restaurants and some shopping. I am OK with paying premium prices if the quality (both girls and food) is better. In a high season I would have gone to Phuket as quality of girls will almost same every where. Being a low season I need some advice. Let me know if any of my impressions above are wrong and please suggest which one to go for on my first experience of LOS.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Wrong! Very few young girls in Phuket compared to Pattaya. Moreover, in Phuket you will pay higher price, but the quality will not be there. Phuket has a much better beach, thought.

[QUOTE=MyThaiTrip1; 1314208]Hi All,

I My preferences for this trip in order are quality of girls (young and personality) , good Thai restaurants and some shopping. I am OK with paying premium prices if the quality (both girls and food) is better![/QUOTE]Bangkok fits your needs to a T.

Quality young girls can easily be found and you state that your willing to pay a premium (although legend has it stunners can be found for less than 1K LOL). Good Thai restaurants are everywhere, and shopping? Take your pick

[QUOTE=El Frances;1314644]Wrong! Very few young girls in Phuket compared to Pattaya. Moreover, in Phuket you will pay higher price, but the quality will not be there. Phuket has a much better beach, thought.[/QUOTE]You must not visit phuket if you are going for boom boom as its basically more famous among gays and you will find much more lady boys than girls.

The most happening road of Phuket bangla road is not even close to any soi of south Pattaya beach forget about Walking Street.

Pattaya police have set up roadblocks every day and are waving over falang motorbike drivers to check for licenses. A Thai or International Drivers License is required to drive here. The fine is B400. They are writing a ton of tickets. I mean a ton of tickets. In Pattaya (2nd Road and Beach Road) Pattaya Police seem to accept any US state issued driver license.

In Jomtien we got stopped twice and were told they would not accept a US kicense, just an International drivers license. Both times we told the Jomtien Police we would like to pay the fine on the spot. Both times they accepted a bribe. We paid B100 once abd B200 the second time. I hate crooked cops but we saved time and money by paying the bribe.

Be careful out there.

Few years back, I was crossing the intersection of sukhumvit and the street where nana hotel seats, there was a

Police boot right on the intersection, a policeman pulls me inside the boot, without saying anything, starts going

Through my pockets, hell! I had my money in a pouch below my shirt, this SOB could not get it, another policeman

Came inside the boot so I got out of this shitty place! I felt slightly shaken, I did not take this SOB's name, I went.

Back to my hotel, that was the end of it!

[QUOTE=XaviMessi; 1314880]You must not visit phuket if you are going for boom boom as its basically more famous among gays and you will find much more lady boys than girls.

The most happening road of Phuket bangla road is not even close to any soi of south Pattaya beach forget about Walking Street.[/QUOTE]Before choosing your Thai destination, first ask what you want out of the holiday: Sex, sex, sexsexsex or sex and sex in a tropical paradise. If the latter suffices, go to Phuket. I found enough girls in the go-go bars and offers of FS from what I initially assumed were legit massage places. Lots of MPs where the girls will grab you by the arm. Now this was a year ago, and things may have changed. If you cannot find suitable company in central Phuket you are not trying hard enough. I am sure there are fishbowl-type places too. On my vacation I had combined Phuket and Pattaya. When it came to the natural beauty of the place (Phuket) and the lack thereof (Patts) , I nearly cried that I had not gone for an extended time in Phuket. Thankfully, the girls helped ease my regrets.

[QUOTE=Allover; 1314898]Pattaya police have set up roadblocks every day and are waving over falang motorbike drivers to check for licenses. A Thai or International Drivers License is required to drive here. The fine is B400. They are writing a ton of tickets. I mean a ton of tickets. In Pattaya (2nd Road and Beach Road) Pattaya Police seem to accept any US state issued driver license.

In Jomtien we got stopped twice and were told they would not accept a US kicense, just an International drivers license. Both times we told the Jomtien Police we would like to pay the fine on the spot. Both times they accepted a bribe. We paid B100 once abd B200 the second time. I hate crooked cops but we saved time and money by paying the bribe.

Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]That is incorrect. You got taken my friend. They were only after the bribe, which you voluntarily gave them. A license from any country will do even if it is not endorsed for motorcycles, as you stated was the case for 2nd Road and Beach Road. Next time ask for the ticket and tell them you will go to the embassy with it.

I have booked my first trip to LOS. I have had P4P in my home country but never abroad. I have been reading ISG like the Pope reads the bilble for quite a while so I wanted to make a trip to a monger paradise.

After research I found out that the only viable option for me is Pattaya. Travel time to the Caribbean or the Phils are just to much (22h+). To Bangkok its 10, 5 hours.

So now I'm all booked. I will be in Pattaya from the 8-15 of September! But what to do in the meantime?

I went to a local Thai massage place. Researched on a site, that is for my nations mongers, where to get a BBBJ from a thai massage place.

I was recommended a place. I phoned ahead to make sure the selection was there. I was told it was. I drove there, horny as hell and entered the premisses.

They have a thing where they ask you to take of your shoes so they can wash your feet. I liked that but not really what I was there for now I was really horny and they prounce out a girl / woman and say here is your masseuse.

Me being a totally horny person forget the promise of a great choice. I was getting hooked up with a 40+ women who calls herself Little Ann. Ann says she is 28 but her face looked like the face of the mummy of king tut. Body was killer though so. Oh my god I feel dirty!

Ann actually has a great body and she gives me a CBJ and I fuck her. Because I'm horny ok!

So what did it cost to have a bad traumatizing fuck of a 40-50 year old plastic enhanced thai in my country. 7000-8000 bath for 1 hour max.

Damn. I am so looking forward to Patts.

If you are a senior member of ISG and in Patts, when I'm there, send me a PM (AMEX SPG you are not a senior member, but in my book you are!). I will buy the drinks and you will teach me to not fuck Shrek-like beeings.

Best Regards,

Bambi Jacobson.

(Name explain. I had to spell Blow Job to a girl once and choose: I wan't a. Bambi Jacobson. I was drunk.)

[QUOTE=Allover; 1314898]Both times they accepted a bribe. We paid B100 once abd B200 the second time. I hate crooked cops but we saved time and money by paying the bribe.

Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]To me, this is the beauty of crooked cops. You are driving illegally (no license) , you have been caught, and you are supposed to pay bt400 at the police station.

Instead you pay half that on the spot and save yourself 2 hours of hassle.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1315010]That is incorrect. You got taken my friend. They were only after the bribe, which you voluntarily gave them. A license from any country will do even if it is not endorsed for motorcycles, as you stated was the case for 2nd Road and Beach Road. Next time ask for the ticket and tell them you will go to the embassy with it.[/QUOTE]What is the basis for this legal opinion? Do you know the applicable thai law that says a driver's license from any country is valid to drive in Thailand, and even more, that there is no need for a motorcycle license to drive a motorbike in Thailand?

This is contrary to everything I have ever heard while traveling around the world and especially Asia.

But this would be great news if true.

Please give details about how the embassy gets involved. Thanks.

[QUOTE=BambiJacobson; 1315077]I have booked my first trip to LOS. I have had P4P in my home country but never abroad. I have been reading ISG like the Pope reads the bilble for quite a while so I wanted to make a trip to a monger paradise.

So what did it cost to have a bad traumatizing fuck of a 40-50 year old plastic enhanced thai in my country. 7000-8000 bath for 1 hour max. Bambi Jacobson[/QUOTE]I believ there is one "zero" too much in your price quote. Otherwise the reading of the bible didn't help much. Try the Book of Mohammed, then.

[QUOTE=Slackerslacker; 1316131]What is the basis for this legal opinion? Do you know the applicable thai law that says a driver's license from any country is valid to drive in Thailand, and even more, that there is no need for a motorcycle license to drive a motorbike in Thailand?

This is contrary to everything I have ever heard while traveling around the world and especially Asia.

But this would be great news if true.

Please give details about how the embassy gets involved. Thanks.[/QUOTE]My basis is experience. Before I had thai car and motorbike licenses I have been stopped with and without my license from the states. I have been with friends when they were stopped and other friends have told me about when they were stopped.

You don't really need to go to the embassy. You just threaten the police with it if you are sure you have been stopped without justification. Then they will back off you. And where ever you go, if you speak the language, when the police stops you then you don't speak the language. Get it?

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1316143]I believ there is one "zero" too much in your price quote. Otherwise the reading of the bible didn't help much. Try the Book of Mohammed, then.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Not a zero to much. It happened in my home country in Europe not Patts. I had a B2B massage and FS it cost 1. 500 DKK (Danish Kroner). That by todays exchange rate is 7. 824 Bath.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1316159]My basis is experience. Before I had thai car and motorbike licenses I have been stopped with and without my license from the states. I have been with friends when they were stopped and other friends have told me about when they were stopped.

You don't really need to go to the embassy. You just threaten the police with it if you are sure you have been stopped without justification. Then they will back off you. And where ever you go, if you speak the language, when the police stops you then you don't speak the language. Get it?[/QUOTE]I was pulled over at 6. 30 one morning en-route to Pattaya, and accused of driving at 124km / hr. I may have been doing 100 but not more. In the friendly banter that followed my being stopped, and prior to being advised of my penalty, I was asked where I was heading."To Sri Racha" was my answer,"to visit my daughter who is a lawyer". The policeman's jaw visibly dropped, his facial expression changed to one of concern, and he sent me on my way.

[QUOTE=Slackerslacker; 1316131]What is the basis for this legal opinion? Do you know the applicable thai law that says a driver's license from any country is valid to drive in Thailand, and even more, that there is no need for a motorcycle license to drive a motorbike in Thailand?

This is contrary to everything I have ever heard while traveling around the world and especially Asia.

But this would be great news if true.

Please give details about how the embassy gets involved. Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you have an international licence ($15 from AAA if your in the states) , show them that and your regular licence and they are happy that you have met the requirement for having a licence. If you have some other violation, that is another story. The boys in brown want to see both, not just your regular licence.

One obsevation that I have made is that the worse time to drive is near the end of the month, the officers have their bills due on the first. One time I was driving from Buri Ram to Bang Pakong, and I was stopped 5 times on the highway. No violations, they just pull as many cars as they can over and try to line their pockets so they can pay the rent. My van has tinted windows and the look on their face was priceless when they see a farang driving, then you hand them a Thai drivers licence, and they just wave you on-with a dumbfounded look on ther face.

[QUOTE=Lord Farquard; 1316254]If you have an international licence ($15 from AAA if your in the states) , show them that and your regular licence and they are happy that you have met the requirement for having a licence. If you have some other violation, that is another story. The boys in brown want to see both, not just your regular licence.

One obsevation that I have made is that the worse time to drive is near the end of the month, the officers have their bills due on the first. One time I was driving from Buri Ram to Bang Pakong, and I was stopped 5 times on the highway. No violations, they just pull as many cars as they can over and try to line their pockets so they can pay the rent. My van has tinted windows and the look on their face was priceless when they see a farang driving, then you hand them a Thai drivers licence, and they just wave you on-with a dumbfounded look on ther face.[/QUOTE]I have never known any country to ask for the international license. I obtained one back in 2000. I got it from AAA just like you said. I think it was $10 then. It was just a little gray book. I don't recall my picture or anything in it. When I got to France trying to rent a car and showing off my international license they told me to put that crap away because they didn't need it. Since then who knows what happened to that thing. I have never tried to use it since.

I was with some guys in the bowling alley last week and we were talking about the driving test in Thailand. One guy had an international license and it seems they give you a card with your picture on it just like a regular license now in addition to that booklet. A couple of those guys are going through the Thai process now. It seems like everyone has had to do different requirements and none of them passed the written exam on the first try. I never had to take a written exam. I only had to do the color blind test, and the stopping distance test. Since I have a driver's license from the states and it has a motorcycle endorsement on it I am able to have both the car and motorcycle licenses in Thailand which are separate.

In addition those guys have had long waits at the driving center. I have always gone up there about 11am. I submit my paperwork for the license and the lady tells me to come back for the tests with the 1pm group. I go over to the window and pay the insurance and tag for my motorbike. Then I go get lunch somewhere and come back for 1. I go upstairs and line up with everyone because the tests are done together in a group. After that they take my picture, print the license out, and I'm out of there by 2pm.

[QUOTE=Lord Farquard;1316254]If you have an international licence ($15 from AAA if your in the states) , show them that and your regular licence and they are happy that you have met the requirement for having a licence. If you have some other violation, that is another story. The boys in brown want to see both, not just your regular licence.[/QUOTE]The "International Drivers Licence" is just a standardized translation of your national licence. On its own it has no value, it always has to be together with your "real" drivers licence.

The Thai Consulate in the UK provides the following guidance:

An International Driving Licence is required for most foreign persons wishing to drive in Thailand and must be accompanied by the Driving Licence issued to them in their country of nationality or residence. A foreigner is allowed to drive in Thailand for up to 6 months on an International Driving Licence after which they must obtain a Thai Driving Licence.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1316293]I was with some guys in the bowling alley last week and we were talking about the driving test in Thailand.[/QUOTE]You bowl? Funny, in the DR I did not see you bowling at all!:D
And I have priceless photos!

You are required to have to motorbike license for the bike and the car license for the car.

You own and the international or the thai license which is cheap enough and easy to get.

What all the posters here did not mention is the fact that thai vehicles generally have third party insurance

Even for the pillion rider but they pay only.guess what-if you have the proper license.

Also many venues with double pricing will give you the thai price if you show your thai license-

Also you may I use it to identify yourself no need to carry your passport-and one more thing-

Never try to intimidate a thai police man or any official-use humor an ignorance-and be polite.

They can search you and put you in jail just for the viagra in your pocket, which is also illegal, I mean the viagra.

Be smart-avoid confrontation.

Not taking sides! I can't dispute any of this technical stuff about a International driver license being a translation or what the UK Embassy defines a International driver should be. I can only tell you the benefits of having a International driver license and how it applies in Pattaya.

To start I have a A Class California Driver license and added a few years ago a motorbike license from the California Highway patrol school. I also have the following endorsements, Haz-Mat, Airbrakes, Class A / B training and aircraft towing certification. I have been using a International Driving License from AAA since 2001. The price for one of these now is $30. 00 with a picture taken by them. Since 2001, my license has always had a picture the clerk will take your driver license and look at your class any endorsement and they will stamp using a AAA (red) only what you qualify for so if you don't have a Motorbike license they will not stamp your International Driver License book if you don't qualify. I will get back to this area in the end! I have been in Pattaya now for over 10 years and have a Thai car driver license but don't have a Thai motorbike license I use the International Driver License. Personally getting the car license was a headache and just thinking of having to get the motorbike license at some point gives me nightmares having to go through the B. S. That waits me.

When it comes to Pattaya, there are two standards one for Farangs and one for Thais as most of you know? And personally there are two parts to Pattaya, the tourist side which I consider the Beach side and then there is the Darkside which is the otherside of Sukhumvit. In the ten years living here I have been stopped over 30 times throughout Pattaya on my motorbike and paid only three fines all for violation on the tourist side. Each time the violations were justified by the police even the one when I went down Soi 5, the wrong way pass Midnight. The guy was hiding under a tree! Most likely trying to make his kids tuition which comes in May and November. On the Darkside there are many checkpoints these are mainly after stolen bikes, drugs, illegal immigrants from Cambodia and Laos. In my stops, I pull out my packet of information which includes the bike ownership, the registration. A copy of my passport with my visa and place my International Driver License Book right on top! NEVER IN THE TEN YEARS BEING HERE AND STOPPED HAVE I EVER BEEN ASK TO PROVIDE MY CALIFORNIA DRIVER LICENSE TOO! Each and everytime just the book has been acceptable no matter where I have been stopped in Pattaya. To be honest I personally believe 99% of the BIB can't even read the book. I get a book once a year and it is stated in the front "Good for one year from the date of Issue"

Last, year I dropped my kid off at school in the morning in Naklua, on the way home going down Banglamung there was a check point on both sides of the street. The guy pull me over started talking Thai to me. I spoke back to him a little in Thai, pull out my packet same process as always but this time once the guy saw my International he took it and ran across the soi and show it to the Farang tourist who they had stopped and I guess he didn't have one and didn't know what they were asking of him. The guy actually ask me if he can keep it so he could xerox my book so they can use as a sample. I smile, and told him I'm in a hurry but got his station location and his name and I made a copy and brought it back down to Banglamung station.

I get stopped a lot on the Darkside, not because I look like a Farang but once they find out that I'm not Thai and a Chinese American all they want to do is practice their English with me. I've been stopped so much at the checkpoint there is always someone that stopped me before and they even remember my name at times. Each time my International has been good enough again never have I provide nor have I been ask for my California Driver License! My cousin also has been coming here for years and stays for months, he gets a International but doesn't have the area stamped for Motorbike operation. No problem. I took a bar of soap and crave out the AAA and got a red ink pad and stamp the book for him. He lives in the darkside when he is here and again stop often but never been ask for anything more than International!

In the end, this requirement is just a scam to get money from Farang. Like I said I'm a Farang but I look like a Thai, Farang are just moving ATM for these guys on the Tourist side. If having a license was really a serious requirement the first people they would get serious with are the people renting them out! Now does that make sense to you guys?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1316512]My cousin also has been coming here for years and stays for months, he gets a International but doesn't have the area stamped for Motorbike operation. No problem. I took a bar of soap and crave out the AAA and got a red ink pad and stamp the book for him.[/QUOTE]A man after my own heart!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1316512]In the end, this requirement is just a scam to get money from Farang. Like I said I'm a Farang but I look like a Thai, Farang are just moving ATM for these guys on the Tourist side. If having a license was really a serious requirement the first people they would get serious with are the people renting them out! Now does that make sense to you guys?[/QUOTE]That is exactly what it is. I have seen roadblocks and Thais have gone through them without stopping with more than 2 people on a bike and nobody wearing a helmet. For a farang that would have been 3 violations from the start. I was on the dark side a couple of weeks ago and people were just running the stop sign that is near the train track. There were police right there but nobody seemed to care, so when in Rome.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1316512]Like I said I'm a Farang but I look like a Thai,[/QUOTE]How are you a farang if you're from Chinese ancestry?

I am thinking of making my first visit to Pattaya. I am an experienced monger with many trips to Bangkok, going back many years, but have not had the chance to get to Pattaya till now.

My main query: Can anyone recommend a girl friendly hotel in Pattaya close to the action, with good, COLD, RELIABLE air-con? I am VERY heat sensitive, so this is, for me, TOP PRIORITY, even more important to me than distance from the action, although what I would really want is a place with good cold rooms, right in the middle of things. I do not care about noise, breakfasts, or anything else or any other amenenites-just a COOL (and reasonably clean) room, to fuck and sleep in only! I'm willing to spend more in order to have a cold room-I am NOT looking for budget accomodations UNLESS it is certain that they can provide cold rooms! So, zero stars or four stars or anything in between are all acceptable, provided that they can fulfill my temperature requirements! Please let me know if you have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance, dudes-and if you want recommendations for hotels with nice, clean, iced-cold, guest friendly rooms in Bangkok near the action in the Nana area, I have several to recommend!

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1316523]How are you a farang if you're from Chinese ancestry?[/QUOTE]I'm a Farang in that although I'm Chinese here I look like a Thai can pass for a Japanese or Korean but in the end just like yourself I think and act (can I use this word without offending someone?) White. In my own culture I'm referred as a Banana (yellow outside white inside ). Once stop and open my mouth particularly in the tourist area they too try to extract money like I was a ATM. My neighbor in the beginning thought I was Japanese, now they refer to me as a farang behind my back. I have some advantages not much?

LBM

[quote=mr enternational; 1316522]a man after my own heart!

that is exactly what it is. i have seen roadblocks and thais have gone through them without stopping with more than 2 people on a bike and nobody wearing a helmet. for a farang that would have been 3 violations from the start. i was on the dark side a couple of weeks ago and people were just running the stop sign that is near the train track. there were police right there but nobody seemed to care, so when in rome.[/quote]i'm one of those guys? i have packed my son and two others on my honda click. just for short distances without a problem when i do this i make sure i know where the road blocks are for sure. usually it is only 2 and i have been stopped and they look at the ages of the kids if they are small they wave me by. my neighbor who is a true farang recently packed his 2 small kids, everyone with a helmet, he was stopped for too many on the bike.

when it comes to driving rules here the guidelines are pretty much the same everywhere in the western world, flashing red light means stop and proceed. at the crossroad you mentioned which i pass everyday it means since it was built secondary to the road like siam or nernphawan it takes a backseat even though the toll roads have a flashing yellow. i once ask a thai who has the right of way for a flashing red versus a flashing yellow? she laugh and told me " up to you " so when driving regardless my motto is always proceed with caution? when you have police that drive exactly the same way as everyone who is doing the offending nothing is ever going to be done because they don't really see the problem. one has to ask what is their priority? a farang bargirl passenger with no helmet or a kid speeding down that soi at 80 km / h. thais, has no understanding about keeping their distance, double yellow line, solid white line, how to park when to park, they can drive straight and fast but have no skills. have anyone ever wonder why there isn't any 4 way stop signs. i personally would hate to ever see what would happen if there were?

there are rules here and if you want to get technical about the rules you are going to fail the motorbike test. it is a game. the sooner one learns to play it the sooner you will be happy? it is a mind game in a mine field. no different than mongering for pussy here?

lbm

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1316523]How are you a farang if you're from Chinese ancestry?[/QUOTE]I know a guy who was born and raised in Laos. After 30 years as an immigrant in the US he retired to an Issan farm. He's fluent in Issan Thai and the locals call him Farang Bob. Farang is not about color, it means "not Thai"

[QUOTE=Harold444;1316455]Please stop? Ing the credibility of Mr Ent. Please read his analysis of pricing in Pattaya and you will see what I mean.[/QUOTE]Mr. Troll,

Credibility is earned by reports and knowledge of the area. Have you ever been to Thailand, if so, Pattaya? If so, please share with us your best trip report. Let me guess, you don't have one. Mr. E. Lives in Pattaya, which gives him firsthand knowledge on the place as it changes from day to day.

Have you ever met Mr. E? Didn't think so. I've had the distinct please of hanging out with him in a couple of countries and he is for real and down to earth.

Do us all real mongers a favor and leave the driving to us; you might learn something.

BTW, your rock is waiting for you to crawl back under.

I always hear about Thai massage places with pull around curtains that offer extras, from HJ to FS. Problem is, there are probably 500 of these shops in Pattaya, and it's impossible to figure out which is which without a lot of trial and error. Unfortunately, I only have 3 days here, so I don't have that luxury.

Could someone point me in the direction of confirmed locations that offer extras of one sort or another, or at least hints. Obviously I will go with places with curtains, but even those are plentiful. Also, what's the deal with "body scrub", anything like a table shower elsewhere (Korea / USA)?

I tried the place "The Best" recommended by TomJackin across from Soi 13/3 but didn't score any extras, even when asking. She said "we don't do that here, sorry. Walking street is a few blocks away, many boom boom!"

I realize there are tens of thousands of other options ST / LT, and I have been partaking and will continue to do so. But haven't scored extras in any of these little massage spots yet, and I just want to experience it.

Been here in Pattaya a few times before, but always only for a few days, and continually fall to temptation quickly picking the first girl with an awesome body or pretty face from whatever go go or beer bar I wander into. Would like to try out some other options.

Thanks for the help.

I asked my GF about the falang designation. She said falang is only used for white people, not other Asian people (japanese, korean, HK, Sing, Taiwanese)

Black people."dom"

Indian people."Indians"

Quote from wikipedia : "Farang (Thai: &3613; &3619; &3633; &3656; &3591; [farà&331; ]) is a generic Thai word for someone of European ancestry, no matter where they may come from. Edmund Roberts, US envoy in 1833, defined the term as "Frank (or European) [1]." People of African ancestry from western countries are occasionally called in Thai: &3613; &3619; &3633; &3656; &3591; &3604; &3635; farang dam ('black farang') to distinguish them from Africans. This began during the Vietnam War, when the United States military maintained bases in Thailand."

My favorite piece of information was this: " Scruffy Westerners, especially backpackers, may also be called Farang khi nok. This is usually taken to mean "bird-shit farang", as khi means waste and nok means (wild) bird". Hahahaha

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1316734]I asked my GF about the falang designation. She said falang is only used for white people, not other Asian people (japanese, korean, HK, Sing, Taiwanese)

Black people."dom"

Indian people."Indians"[/QUOTE]

(Falang) Farang actually is a Guava.

Like Irene, but walks slanted a little over, like Ilene.

[quote=rick rock;1316731]i always hear about thai massage places with pull around curtains that offer extras, from hj to fs. problem is, there are probably 500 of these shops in pattaya, and it's impossible to figure out which is which without a lot of trial and error. unfortunately, i only have 3 days here, so i don't have that luxury. could someone point me in the direction of confirmed locations that offer extras of one sort or another, or at least hints.[/quote]try one of the places on soi 6. that is where i did my fs for 500 + price of massage. i don't think there is a particular shop that does it. i think it is more whether the individual woman will do it or not.

[quote=rick rock;1316731]also, what's the deal with "body scrub", anything like a table shower elsewhere (korea / usa)?[/quote]i don't know what a table shower is, but a body scrub is when they use exfoliating creme for the massage instead of oil. you lie on the same mat, but after the massage you have to go take a shower to wash it off. when i did mine i think it was 500 baht. the places that do it are hard to find. i think i did it on soi buakhao close to lk metro. i wasn't too familiar with the area back then. i recall coming from [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s or devils den, seeing a place that advertised it on the window and just pulling over. the girl who did mine looked like an american singer like beyonce or somebody. whoever it was she said she got that a lot. we exchanged numbers but i never got to hook up with her.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1316731]I always hear about Thai massage places with pull around curtains that offer extras, from HJ to FS. Problem is, there are probably 500 of these shops in Pattaya, and it's impossible to figure out which is which without a lot of trial and error. Unfortunately, I only have 3 days here, so I don't have that luxury.

Could someone point me in the direction of confirmed locations that offer extras of one sort or another, or at least hints.



Put your self in Soi Buakhao in front of a subway store, cross the street, and in the corner I think is Oasis Go Go club, now turn right, on that street you will have several massage shops, first two or three, have young girls, I think I was in the 3rd one, from the moment I entered I knew special services were going to be offered, at the time, it was a threesome (read my report 3 weeks ago) , also in oasis gogo if U-turn right, and imediatly turn left there is also a massage shop in the beggining I know it offers special services, if you just look to the young providers you understand what I am saying.

These days I am looking for the opposite of you, many times I want to have just a massage, but decline the offers to enter the store because I am afraid special services are going to be offered, and I feel bad to refuse, of course if I choose an older provider, probably that don't happen, but its always good to have a good massage from a nice girl, and in Cambodiai had some awful experiences with older ladies (much older than me!) insisting hard on a special service. So if someone can give me the precise location of massage places where I won't get special services offered I would be grateful. When I need special services in Pattaya I don't have much trouble finding them.

[QUOTE=Bangkok Banger; 1316545]I am thinking of making my first visit to Pattaya. I am an experienced monger with many trips to Bangkok, going back many years, but have not had the chance to get to Pattaya till now.

My main query: Can anyone recommend a girl friendly hotel in Pattaya close to the action, with good, COLD, RELIABLE air-con? I am VERY heat sensitive, so this is, for me, TOP PRIORITY, even more important to me than distance from the action, although what I would really want is a place with good cold rooms, right in the middle of things. I do not care about noise, breakfasts, or anything else or any other amenenites-just a COOL (and reasonably clean) room, to fuck and sleep in only! I'm willing to spend more in order to have a cold room-I am NOT looking for budget accomodations UNLESS it is certain that they can provide cold rooms! So, zero stars or four stars or anything in between are all acceptable, provided that they can fulfill my temperature requirements! Please let me know if you have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance, dudes-and if you want recommendations for hotels with nice, clean, iced-cold, guest friendly rooms in Bangkok near the action in the Nana area, I have several to recommend![/QUOTE]Can't go wrong with the Marriott.