Sao Paulo Reports

After I left Club J, I decided to go to Connection Night Club in Tatuape since I was already in Liberdade and half way there from Moema. This club is pretty much Scandallo Lite. Same owners and same building structure but on a smaller scale. It has a restaurant and bar area with stage for live performances, just like Scandallo. They also have a single poker table where customers can play no limit hold'them or Omaha for cash. Omaha was being played on this night.

The girls here are less attractive on average than Scandallo and there were maybe 50 girls on a Thursday night. There were about 5 girls in the 8 plus range, saw maybe one 9. All it takes is one! I spoke with a few girls and they all say the house minimum is 300 reais and charge 400 reais for an hour and 250 for half hour. In fact, the first girl I spoke with used to work at Monte Carlo in Rio and she had recognized me. I had arrived at 11:30 pm and after about an hour I ended up having a good conversation with a skinny redhead from Londrina. She was very friendly and I dug her vibe. We chatted for about an hour and had some drinks. She quoted me 400 reais and I didn't feel like negotiating so I took her up on it. We took the elevator up to one of the rooms. The rooms are nice and identical to those at Scandallo. After showering together, we got bizzy. Service was excellent. DFK, 69, BBBJ. After we finished, we went down to reception area for the rooms and I paid 120 reais for the room. By now it was already 3 am so I closed out my bill and went back home. Total damage was 620 reais - 100 entrance, 120 for the room, and 400 for the girl. Would I come back? Yes. Like Steve9696 once said "it's the thrill of the chase in the boates". It is a nice change up from the fast food routine at the clinicas. I just wish it wasn't so far - 36 reais and 30 minutes each way in Uber to and from Moema without traffic, ie late at night.

Entrance - 100 reais with 50 of it being consumption. Entrance is 50 reais before 6 pm every day.

Room fee - 120 reais for one hour. No idea what it is for half an hour.

60 minute session - 400 reais on average.

30 minute session - 250 reais on average.

After getting tired of seeing the same faces on the Moema Rectangle Tour, I decided to try something a little different. For those of you who don't know what the Moema Rectangle is, it's the following (can't really draw a rectangle properly with this forum interface) clinicas all within walking distance of each other:

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1) Prime (Av Irai 511) ========================> 2) Miruna's (Av Miruna 644)
4) Enjoy (Rua Condessa do Pinhal, 279) <============= 3) Abbobora (Alameda dos Guaramomis 1275)
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I couldn't really find any reviews of this [B]Doutora Oyama[/B] massage place on GpGuia and only found some 10 year old reviews on ISG. Apparently, this place has been around since 1970! I went to this place on a Friday afternoon at 5 pm. I was greeted by the receptionist who was very nice and offered me water, coffee, etc. She took me to a small room with a wall of pictures of 8 different girls. Just the typical shots of them in lingerie or whatever and not too touched up. I asked about a few of them such as how old they were and if they had natural or silicone tits. She answered all my questions so I chose a petite morena. How it works is you pay 250 reais to the house and then pay for extras with the girl.

The receptionist took me up to the room which was very large and had a queen sized massage type bed, a separate bathroom, and jacuzzi tub. I took a shower and put on a provided robe and waited for the massagista to enter the room. She was quite beautiful and looked like her pictures. She was very friendly and asked me if I wanted just a massage or more. I told her that I wanted full service after the massage. So I start by laying on my stomach and she gives me a very good and thorough massage with massage oil. Girls here are professionally trained masseuses so the massage was actually very good. At about the half hour point, she starts laying on top of my back and doing the body slide massage and then starts nibbling on my ear. She then turns me over and starts giving me some serious DFK. I didn't really know what to expect from this place. I figured it would be just a massage with some full service, but probably something mechanical. So after a bunch of kissing, she then gives me a very long BBBJ. Then onto the sex (covered of course). Overall service was excellent and very GFE and I really liked the fact that there was a lot of build up leading to the sex. It's definitely different from the clinica routine where you shower and then immediately go at it with your chosen girl. Final damage was 500 reais. This place is expensive and probably like The Palms and some of the other high end places of which I've never actually tried.

1 hour session - 250 reais to the house.

HJ only - 150 reais to the girl.

Full service - 250 reais to the girl.

[QUOTE=SnarkHunter;2322985]Perhaps you all can help me find what I am looking for. I will be visiting SP / Brazil for the first time in a couple months, staying in the Pacaembu area at a hotel with some business colleagues (***) for about six days. In the hobby, my favorite thing to do is to find an escort who is also open to erotic photography, but I find this difficult, particularly in a new country where I have no language skills. I would be interested in going to a clinica (no photography, obviously) if it was close, but I'm concerned about crime and such in a city that I don't know at all and will have limited time to explore on my own. Someone coming to my hotel might be the best thing. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I will be glad to take you to the best clinicas and boites, I am located in Jardins, very close to Pacaembu, please PM me. See my add on the advertising section of this board. Please PM me.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2318230]Salaam Mr Carnarvon. In my experience Tangara is pretty much always crowded with guys. I like to wait for a pretty girl. But as soon as one appears she is grabbed by a local. I feel like I'm in a competition, which is not what I go to these places for.

And if a girl is pretty and none of the locals is taking her, you have to wonder: do they know something I don't?

Now I know I will be slaughtered by Tangara fans/promoters. Just my 2 dirhams anyway.[/QUOTE]Tangara has one of the best lineups in São Paulo but gets crowded with customers after 4 PM. So if you want to choose a girl without hassle be there before 2 PM, ask for the receptionist Suzan, she speaks English and will be very patient to help you.

Regarding mulatas, TG has one of the best selection of mulatas in town! Yesterday there were 4 of them, Thea from Bahia, Keila Carioca, Sofi long hair, Susy petite paulista and Letícia Capixaba.

For more information please PM me!

ABG.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2323278]The Moema clinicas are not far. The Sao Paulo fears are a bit overdone if you follow sensible, secure precautions. I would consider just taking an Uber or even better AltoBomGosto will take you hunting clinica girls in his car for a very reasonable rate. He might even be able to find you a clinica girls who doesn't object to photos.

Escorts are of course an option and the last several months have recommendations of well-reviewed girls. If a girl has a twitter and / or a website profile with lots of facial photos, I'm guessing you can negotiate a nominal extra fee for photos.[/QUOTE]Also in the clinicas in the rooms you will be able to take pictures at a reasonable fee.

Don't attempt to take unallowed pictures if so you are going to be immediately be expelled of the place.

For details PM me.

ABG.

So, I am back in the lovely Sao Paulo for a week.

1) If anyone is interested in a particular clinica and wants me to TOFT, let me know. But it should be a reasonably-priced place (none of those 250 for the house + 250 for the HJ directly to the girl types of places).

2) I just spent a few days in Buenos Aires, and the private girls scene there is wonderful. But the Argentina branch of this forum sucks. Does anyone know what's the story with it? (being a separate sucky forum).

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2323669]So, I am back in the lovely Sao Paulo for a week.

1) If anyone is interested in a particular clinica and wants me to TOFT, let me know. But it should be a reasonably-priced place (none of those 250 for the house + 250 for the HJ directly to the girl types of places).

2) I just spent a few days in Buenos Aires, and the private girls scene there is wonderful. But the Argentina branch of this forum sucks. Does anyone know what's the story with it? (being a separate sucky forum).[/QUOTE]Please PM me for details.

ABG.

Hello ABG,

I will be in SAO on June 1, interested in one of your world famous tours. I am trying to figure out how to pay for premium membership with a prepaid card (it won't allow because there is no address associated). I will PM you when I get it sorted out.

So I hadn't had any live pussy in months. I know for most this seems unthinkable but I'm getting older and to quote the late Patrice O'Neal "Mostly the reason I fuck now is so I can jerk off later, thinking about it". If it happened to a great man like Patrice, it can happen to me.

Another reason for the long drought is that my local scene has gone to shit since the FOSTA debacle. No local boards to sift out the scammers etc. I had 3 favorites but like me they are starting to age out and, truth be told, I was getting a little bored with them. One shacked up, one had a kid and one graduated to the high end courtesan scene.

The courtesan gave me the name of her booker and I perused the site. With the new set up in the US, this isn't a public site but invitation only. Full of mid 30's women who have been in the game for years and have learned the power of cosmetic surgery and photoshop. But certainly attractive enough and I'm sure the service is good, if lacking in carinhoso.

But the prices, my God! The lowest was $600/ HR and went up to $1000! Sorry but I'm not paying that. One agency I kept in contact with from the pre-FOSTA days advertises girls at $400, GFE service. Mostly the girls don't appeal but they occasionally have Brazileras who come through who look safada so I took flyer and drove the hour plus to her hotel downtown.

Nice enough garota, big tits and a bunda plump and firm, blond hair, tan lines. A 7-8 on my scale. At Tangara she'd be a maybe and at Scandallo I'd probably pass. But her DFK was unenthusiastic, always a bad sign. While she performed all the alphabet, including anal, it was obvious that I was one of many hourly dicks she was going to service over the next week or so and her heart just wasn't in it. All told the damage was $500 (extra for anal) plus the time to drive to the city, park etc.

Now what is the moral from this sad tale of woe? Well, when it comes up, as it will, about foreign mongers overpaying it's important to remember the context they are coming from. If I fly to Sampa and find a girl twice as hot as one I can find at home (if I can find her at all) for a quarter the price, paying an extra 100-200 reals seems to be irrational economizing. I understand it distorts the local scene and I try to be as sensitive to that as I can but if I'm only in town for a couple of weeks and I meet a 10 I'm going to pay the freight. After all, I'm really only doing it so I can jerk off thinking about it later. Have pity.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2324739]Now what is the moral from this sad tale of woe? Well, when it comes up, as it will, about foreign mongers overpaying it's important to remember the context they are coming from. If I fly to Sampa and find a girl twice as hot as one I can find at home (if I can find her at all) for a quarter the price, paying an extra 100-200 reals seems to be irrational economizing. I understand it distorts the local scene and I try to be as sensitive to that as I can but if I'm only in town for a couple of weeks and I meet a 10 I'm going to pay the freight. After all, I'm really only doing it so I can jerk off thinking about it later. Have pity.[/QUOTE]Yes, the sex prison has gotten *A LOT* worse since the demise of craigslists etc. And the dumb creatures are pricing themselves right out of the market, with the sub-$1 k tickets to Brazil and Argentina easily available, not to mention Mexico. With the Florida sting operation, I am even super cautious about the massage establishments nowadays. So I totally understand your going sex-free for months.

The problem of overpaying is not so much as meeting your 10 and giving her the price she asks. It's more of throwing money at girls when they aren't asking for it. Eg. Uncalled-for tips in Tangara, offering USA rates without asking the price first, and in general lavishing girls with the money that they didn't ask for and didn't expect. We don't want to equalize the worldwide rates to the american insanity any more that we want the worldwide healthcare system to keep people just one broken leg away from bankruptcy.

Getting there and back.

Buenos Aires Ezeiza airport (EZE) is about 3 hours from Sao Paulo and it's well-connected to the rest of the world. Quite a few passports can get in with no visa. The airport is not super busy but depending on the size of your plane and how many people are ahead of you, the wait at the passport control and the customs can be 30 minutes or longer. The process is standardized and reasonably efficient. The border officer will take your photo and take your thumbprint, both entering and leaving the country.

Uber *does not* work in Argentina (it requires a credit card from Argentina in order for it to work, which obviously travelers won't have – but the application will look like it's working until the moment you try to book a ride, at which time the app will fail).

There's an "official taxi" stand at the airport terminals just by the exit. They are 100% legit, with a flat rate to downtown Buenos Aires being about US $30, they actually take cash USD and EUR, they take credit cards too but there's a slight surcharge. Pay at the stand and their employee will take you to the taxi and hand you over to the driver.

That same company will pick you up downtown and take you back to the airport for 990 pesos (about $22) and can be scheduled via whatsapp. The scheduling dispatcher can write in English. To get that special rate, they only take Argentinian pesos in cash. So just save a 1000 for the return trip.

Money.

ATMs have an insane surcharge of 279 pesos (about $6) **per transaction** and withdrawal limits are currently at 4000 pesos (about $90). Yes it's usury. But there's no way around it. Bringing foreign cash and trying to exchange it has a host of challenges with it (finding a place to do it, making sure it's during work hours, etc). Foreign currency is not popular with the girls. But Schwab bank **will** reimburse this fee. Most ATMs take foreign cards and dispense cash. There are a few ATMs in the airport but you have to look for them. But they are there.

Getting around.

Buenos Aires downtown-ish area is incredibly walkable. In less than half an hour can walk pretty much anywhere within the downtown area.

While Uber is not working, the local taxis are plentiful, cheap (pay by the meter and it's very reasonable – 100-200 pesos gets you anywhere within the downtown area) and the drivers seem to be honest. They rarely speak any foreign language so I generally just walk to avoid the language barrier, sometimes I take the taxi back to the hotel, which is simplified by taking a hotel card that has an address with you.

Sleeping, eating, etc.

Hotels publish discounts on [URL]booking.com[/URL].

Airbnbs are plentiful – read reviews.

Food is likewise plentiful. My favorite are empanadas (filled pastries). Fancy touristy places are IMHO overrated.

Seeing the city.

There's a number of free walking tours available. A great way to get your bearings. Takes about 2-3 hours.

The girls.

My sole resource has been [URL]http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts-acompanantes.htm[/URL].

To the left, you'll see the categories.

Novedades – doesn't mean new girls, could be updated listings.

Mujeres – this is what you'll likely want.

Maduritas – for the lovers of the aged wine.

Masajistas – these usually include at least a HJ.

Fantasias – an occasional whip and chain could be found here.

Traviesas – some nice looking traps are available.

The best part about that site is if you are browsing from your phone, click on a "whatsapp" link from a girl's profile, and it'll let you send a standard message – already in Spanish – to that girl (naturally you must have whatsapp installed on your phone for it to work).

To the right of the girl's main pic, there's a link to the search for her reviews on the forum:

"Experiencias? Buscar en el foro" – [URL]http://www.foroescortsar.com/foros/index.php[/URL] The reviews there are superbly detailed and often with pics.

The girl will usually quickly respond with a standardized message describing her location, rates, and work hours. Only some of them work on weekends. They also usually include specifics (such as anal) and whether they do BBBJ (bucal sin) – obviously can be clarified to suit your needs. Mine are rather basic so it hardly ever becomes an issue. The girls are generally booking a little in advance but could be available immediately.

Most girls have their own rooms for meetings, but there are a few that would go to your hotel. I haven't tried the latter type (no real need to). Rooms usually are pretty basic but shower is available as well as a towel.

The cost I've seen ranges from 1500 to 2000 pesos ($34-44) for an hour. Half an hour is also available but I used that option only once. In some cases there are 2-girl specials, could be 3500 for that.

The girls generally have a good, friendly attitude. They spend the entire hour with you, usually lots of hugging and kissing. BBBJ is common. The deed can be done as many times as you can manage.

Basically there are 2 types of girls at those sites:

- true private providers. She would have an apartment just to herself (or at least a room), puts up her own ad, manages responses, generally those apartments are in better shape.

- agency or group apartments. Still every girl would have an ad with her pics but someone else would handle the messaging and scheduling.

Photos could be hit or miss. Generally from what I've seen there's decent enough resemblance in over 50% of the photos. But to be honest I haven't met a girl who's truly ugly from these ads. Well, actually I did meet a surprisingly big girl and not very pretty. But she more than made up for it with her friendly attitude and her tongue skills.

The response rate is very close to 100%, and if they don't respond right away they're probably busy and they will respond when they become available. They generally provide all necessary information in the first message. The price for the hour and half an hour, approximate location, work hours (generally until 7-8-9 pm, some girls work weekends while others don't) and what they include (BBBJ / anal). Making an appointment is also super easy and they are punctual. I usually show up right on time or maybe 1-2 minutes early, had to wait for a few minutes once when the girl literally just walked in from the street to meet me, and another time had to wait for almost an hour because I wanted a threesome but the second girl was busy. So the first girl sat with me but we were supposed to keep it G-rated until the second girl showed up. I just took a nap with my head in her lap. And the experience was totally worth the wait.

Also they rarely if ever try to upsell or beg for tips. Generally the price is all-inclusive (anal is frequently extra but I'm not interested in that so if you are, do ask up front), and they don't limit you on how many times you can do the deed.

The districts "Microcentro" and "Tribunales" are very easily accessible and generally safe (of course use common sense) and most girls are within 10-15 minutes walk within that area.

I used google translate to communicate, never had much problem. If the doorman at the building asks where you're going just show him the address. Never got any hard time from any doormen.

Elevators in the buildings are tricky. If it's on your floor, the 2 sets of doors you open by hand. Make sure you close them both when you exit the elevator, or the next person won't be able to call it.

Additionally, different elevators or elevator banks can serve different apartment numbers. E. g. If you are going to an apartment 10 F, you get to the 10th floor and only see apartments A,be, see, the – then you likely need to go back down and find another elevator bank.

Are you going to find gorgeous 10's at those places and have crazy parties, booze, and sex through the night? Probably not. But if you are looking for that warm girl-next-door who would do you for a $40 feeling, this is the place to get it.

Took Uber back to my hotel (BTW, an Uber select private car cost around R12 each way to Tangara), picked up dinner from a grocery store, and got more rest. Later in the evening, I was trying to decide between Kilt Show (recommended by ABG below) or Casarao. After going back and reading earlier messages about Kilt Show, I decided to give Casarao a try instead.

I got to Casarao around 11:30. I was a bit confused by the entry, which I now realize was either R40 all consumable or R20. Paid R40 but probably should have just done the R20. Oh well. Given what I had read in earlier reports, there were a lot more people there than I expected, maybe 60-80 girls and slightly more men. Plus, the quality was overall better than Tangara, same low end (even a couple of the same girls from Tangara) but on the high end maybe 3-4 girls that I would put in the 8-9/10 range in looks. All shapes and sizes, hair colors, skin colors. Between the ground floor and lower level, it took me a long time to get a feel for the place and check out the talent.

Those 3-4 girls were the ones I was considering. I spoke to a few girls to get a sense of how this worked, and most were quoting R250 for 30-40 minutes (plus R40 to the club for the room). Eventually, I took a girl named Alini (a blond with a pretty face and obvious implants (which are not normally my thing). We negotiated for a bit, and eventually we agreed on R350 for 1 hour of tudo (including anal) plus R80 for the room. She was nice enough, but she was not quite my speed (more PSE than GFE), so I would not repeat.

I was feeling tired at that point, so I left at around 3 am. Total cost for me at Casarao was R40 entry including drinks + R350 girl + R80 room = R470. FYI, Uber cost around R25 each from to / from my hotel in Moema.

More to come.

Slept in late on Monday morning and had a hearty late breakfast / brunch at my hotel before making a plan for the day. Decided to do a walking tour of Moema clinicas, which I started at around noon and finished around 3 pm.

I walked 20 minutes to get to Red Massagem. The lady at the front desk was nice, and although she didn't speak English, she had a 'menu' in English. There were about 10 girls there, but the talent was in the 4-5/10 range in looks to my eye, so no one really met my spec, and I decided to head out.

After another 10-15 minute walk, I arrived at Abbobora Massagem. It's a little confusing to find the entrance, which is on the side of the building by the carpark, not the door facing the street. The lady at the front desk didn't speak English, but she was also not very nice or patient. The talent here, however, was clearly better, in the 6-7/10 range in looks by my standards, maybe 10-15 girls. I was taking my time and considering my options, but even though there were a number of other men in there also waiting, the front desk lady was being kind of pushy, so I made my exit, and she gave me an exasperated huff as I walked out the door. Not sure why she was so huffy. In retrospect, those girls were the best I would see all day, so I probably should have taken one of my best choices there.

Clinica Miruna is almost across the street from Abbobora. Again, no English, but at least the reception lady was nice. About 10 girls in the 4-5/10 range in looks. I was told that a few girls were in the room, so I waited for a while, but the first one to come out was also not to my standard, and I decided to leave.

I walked another 5-10 minutes to reach EnjoySpa. Again, no English, but nice. About 5-10 girls in the 4-6/10 range. Not to my spec, so again I left.

Finally, I walked about 15 minutes to get to Moema Prime. No English, nice lady. About 5 girls in the 4-6/10 range again. It wasn't happening for me, so I left.

So, overall, I visited 5 clinicas (Red, Abbobora, Miruna, Enjoy, and Prime). Of those, the quality of girls was pretty similar (and not very good), except for Abbobora, which was clearly better. Of course, this is just my opinion, and only for this one timepoint on Monday afternoon.

My tour completed, I walked back to my hotel, stopping to pick up a late lunch / early dinner at a grocery store and also stopping by Shopping Ibirapuera and Banco Santander to withdraw more money for the rest of the week. It took me about 20 minutes to get back to my hotel.

At this point, I see Tangara as the best clinica option. Yes, the price is the lowest. But also, the management is nice and really helps to facilitate things. Plus, the girls hang out in the lounge area when not in the room, so it's easier to talk to the girls and make special requests or confirm services. And the quality of girls is similar in all places, although at least when I visited, Tangara had a wider range of girls' looks (from among the worst I had seen in the clinicas to among the best). I haven't yet visited Brooklin, Ceci, Donna, Yankin, or Vani's Way, but I'm not sure if it's worth it to schlep out to all of those places.

More to come.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2324765]
The problem of overpaying is not so much as meeting your 10 and giving her the price she asks. It's more of throwing money at girls when they aren't asking for it. Eg. Uncalled-for tips in Tangara, offering USA rates without asking the price first, and in general lavishing girls with the money that they didn't ask for and didn't expect. We don't want to equalize the worldwide rates to the american insanity any more that we want the worldwide healthcare system to keep people just one broken leg away from bankruptcy.[/QUOTE][NOPARSE]Well put. By the way guys, at Scandallo R$500 is standard for a girl, one hour. Their first offer means nothing. If you pay much more than 500 you are giving gringos a bad name, making us all look like idiots. And at some clinicas you can pay R$100 for 30 minutes. Divide by 4 for USD.[/NOPARSE]

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2324806][NOPARSE]Well put. By the way guys, at Scandallo R$500 is standard for a girl, one hour. Their first offer means nothing. If you pay much more than 500 you are giving gringos a bad name, making us all look like idiots. And at some clinicas you can pay R$100 for 30 minutes. Divide by 4 for USD.[/NOPARSE][/QUOTE]The misconception about Scandallo is the rate that the girls want at Scandallo, being [NOPARSE]R$500 or R$600[/NOPARSE] or whatever you get her to lower it to, is the deterring factor for us mongers to avoid the place. It's really the overhead of the entrance fee and room fee. You're already in for [NOPARSE]R$470[/NOPARSE] before even adding on the price of the girl! It'll be minimum about [NOPARSE]R$1000[/NOPARSE] all in to do a program there, no matter how you slice it.

[QUOTE=KPete;2324795]
After another 10-15 minute walk, I arrived at Abbobora Massagem. It's a little confusing to find the entrance, which is on the side of the building by the carpark, not the door facing the street. The lady at the front desk didn't speak English, but she was also not very nice or patient. The talent here, however, was clearly better, in the 6-7/10 range in looks by my standards, maybe 10-15 girls. I was taking my time and considering my options, but even though there were a number of other men in there also waiting, the front desk lady was being kind of pushy, so I made my exit, and she gave me an exasperated huff as I walked out the door. Not sure why she was so huffy. In retrospect, those girls were the best I would see all day, so I probably should have taken one of my best choices there.
[/QUOTE]Salaam Pete. Abbobora is the only clinica I know that won't let you really chat to the girl to make sure she is the agreeing type. Some will blame the pushy reception lady. Anyway it's a deal-breaker for me. I could sympathize if they always had good-service girls and wanted to protect them, but I've been disappointed there before -- reminding me how important it is to check that the girl is in the right mood.

[QUOTE=AznSafado;2324854]The misconception about Scandallo is the rate that the girls want at Scandallo, being [NOPARSE]R$500 or R$600[/NOPARSE] or whatever you get her to lower it to, is the deterring factor for us mongers to avoid the place. It's really the overhead of the entrance fee and room fee. You're already in for [NOPARSE]R$470[/NOPARSE] before even adding on the price of the girl! It'll be minimum about [NOPARSE]R$1000[/NOPARSE] all in to do a program there, no matter how you slice it.[/QUOTE]I have never seen anybody saying that 1 hour session price is 300 and something in Brooklin massagem, because he took a taxi from Jardins and back.

Hi guys,

I will visit in Sao Paulo next week and this is going to be my first time in Brazil.

Please let me know some good places as following categories.

1) Where I can have sex with beautiful ladies by paying money.

2) Where I can hit on beautiful ladies (I imagine bars or clubs).

3) any good places to men like me.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2324900]Salaam Pete. Abbobora is the only clinica I know that won't let you really chat to the girl to make sure she is the agreeing type. Some will blame the pushy reception lady. Anyway it's a deal-breaker for me. I could sympathize if they always had good-service girls and wanted to protect them, but I've been disappointed there before -- reminding me how important it is to check that the girl is in the right mood.[/QUOTE]The unfriendly reception and the fact that the clinic will not allow you talk to the girls before seasoning will mostly end up in a lousy service.

I particularly love to have BBBJTC, without a pré interview it's impossible to get.

For this reason Tangara is my favorite place, staff speaks English, you have one of the biggest line ups, average 30 girls, and you can chat with the girls before deciding.

ABG.

[QUOTE=KPete;2324795]At this point, I see Tangara as the best clinica option. Yes, the price is the lowest. But also, the management is nice and really helps to facilitate things. Plus, the girls hang out in the lounge area when not in the room, so it's easier to talk to the girls and make special requests or confirm services. And the quality of girls is similar in all places, although at least when I visited, Tangara had a wider range of girls' looks (from among the worst I had seen in the clinicas to among the best). I haven't yet visited Brooklin, Ceci, Donna, Yankin, or Vani's Way, but I'm not sure if it's worth it to schlep out to all of those places.

More to come.[/QUOTE]Awesome reports, thank you.

There are random gems that could be found at any clinic. The best times to see all the girls is early afternoon, when they are already working but before the crowds start arriving. Probably 1 pm or so is optimal for the first visit.

Also I saw in your earlier report that you were put off by the girls in Tangara who seemed cold or annoyed. I've seen that before, girls who seem cold, annoyed, or disinterested. But their attitude magically changed when we got to the room. So it may be productive to give them a chance if you find the face to your liking. Also, Tangara has a Whatsapp group they can sign you up for and they send out girls lists and photos throughout the day.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2324900]Salaam Pete. Abbobora is the only clinica I know that won't let you really chat to the girl to make sure she is the agreeing type. Some will blame the pushy reception lady. Anyway it's a deal-breaker for me. I could sympathize if they always had good-service girls and wanted to protect them, but I've been disappointed there before -- reminding me how important it is to check that the girl is in the right mood.[/QUOTE]I agree 100 per cent with you. A pre interview is is a must if you are looking for a good service. As for me A BBBJTC is a must, I never go with a girl I haven't talked before get laid with her.

ABG.

[QUOTE=KPete;2321087] For some reason, the Uber app would not work with my credit card,
[/QUOTE]Also, uber in Brazil runs the card as an international charge in BRL. Perhaps your card got a fraud alert. I have an amex card with no foreign transaction fees on my uber, works just fine.

As the ATM skimmers are a serious risk in Brazil, I prefer to do as few ATM withdrawals as possible to reduce the risk of exposure and minimize the inconvenience of going to a secure location. Actually I saw an ATM with double-sided sticky tape on the card receptacle, looked like a skimmer was removed from there recently. So personally I use my cards to pay wherever I can, and save my cash just for the mongering.

[QUOTE=PabloSung;2324928]Hi guys,

I will visit in Sao Paulo next week and this is going to be my first time in Brazil.

Please let me know some good places as following categories.

1) Where I can have sex with beautiful ladies by paying money.

2) Where I can hit on beautiful ladies (I imagine bars or clubs).

3) any good places to men like me.

Thank you![/QUOTE]Begin by reading the last 30 to 50 pages of the forum.

[QUOTE=KPete;2324795]So, overall, I visited 5 clinicas (Red, Abbobora, Miruna, Enjoy, and Prime). Of those, the quality of girls was pretty similar (and not very good), except for Abbobora, which was clearly better. Of course, this is just my opinion, and only for this one timepoint on Monday afternoon.[/QUOTE]This has been mostly my experience with the clinicas to, although I did not visit Abbobora, but hope to next time. The clinica prices might be lower, but the looks I want just aren't there in enough numbers. Disappointing and not worth it to me to be running around all over the place trying to find a looker in a clinica who will do what I want. The boites and the "night league" is the place for me!

[QUOTE=PabloSung;2324928]I will visit in Sao Paulo next week and this is going to be my first time in Brazil.

Please let me know some good places as following categories.

1) Where I can have sex with beautiful ladies by paying money.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure there is no pay for play scene in Sao Paulo. Oh well.

Borat will visit São Paulo.

[QUOTE=PabloSung;2324928]Hi guys,

I will visit in Sao Paulo next week and this is going to be my first time in Brazil.

Please let me know some good places as following categories.

1) Where I can have sex with beautiful ladies by paying money.

2) Where I can hit on beautiful ladies (I imagine bars or clubs).

3) any good places to men like me.

Thank you![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto;2325150]Borat will visit So Paulo.[/QUOTE]Haha, now that's funny!!

[QUOTE=PabloSung;2324928]Hi guys,

I will visit in Sao Paulo next week and this is going to be my first time in Brazil.

Please let me know some good places as following categories.

1) Where I can have sex with beautiful ladies by paying money.

2) Where I can hit on beautiful ladies (I imagine bars or clubs).

3) any good places to men like me.

Thank you![/QUOTE]There are many clubs and clinicas where you can find beautiful women. Your questions are not specific, you ask questions that are already answered. You must read some posts. You need to subscribe so that you can PM some of the experienced members. AltoBomGosto is a good contributor and knows many things about Sao Paulo, you can contact him.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2324909]I have never seen anybody saying that 1 hour session price is 300 and something in Brooklin massagem, because he took a taxi from Jardins and back.[/QUOTE]If Brooklin required you to take their taxi to and from Jardins, like Scandalo requires you to pay entrance and room fees, then the actual session price would be 300 and something.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2318230]Salaam Mr Carnarvon. In my experience Tangara is pretty much always crowded with guys. I like to wait for a pretty girl. But as soon as one appears she is grabbed by a local. I feel like I'm in a competition, which is not what I go to these places for.

And if a girl is pretty and none of the locals is taking her, you have to wonder: do they know something I don't?

Now I know I will be slaughtered by Tangara fans/promoters. Just my 2 dirhams anyway.[/QUOTE]It helps to show up right after the opening time (or after the first whatsapp message with the list) and watching them stroll in. Got 2 amazing beauties this way today.

Got some rest on Monday afternoon, then took Uber to Espaco Vergueiro around 10 pm. The place was very, very quiet with only a few men there. There were about 10 girls, with most in the 4-5/10 range. One I could generously give a 6. And then there was one very unattractive lady who also came and introduced herself, which I assume means she worked there, but she was definitely on the wrong side of 40 and may have even been on the wrong side of 50; I won't even try to give her a rating. The management was very nice, and a few people came to talk to me, but in the end it was clear that there was not going to be anything there for me, so I left and took Uber back to Casarao.

I got to Casarao around 11 pm and this time I knew to pay the R20 entry. At first, it seemed worse than yesterday, with more men but fewer and less pretty girls. Most of my targets from the previous night were not there, although the girl I did choose last night was there (despite the fact that she said she only worked weekends), and I had no desire to repeat. She was friendly, though, and came over to say Hello,. Over the next couple of hours, the club did fill with more (and better) girls and more men. By around 1 am, I saw one of my targets from last night, a girl named Kelly with long dyed blond hair, tats, and piercings. She had a striking face that I found attractive and a fantastic slim body. She agreed to R250 for 30 minutes, including kissing and BBBJ. Headed to the room and paid R40 for the room. In the room, however, she pretty much avoided kissing as much as she could. She definitely had a 'program' that she was sticking to, but she did do a good BBBJ with BLS.

When I headed out around 2 am, the place was packed and the music was even louder (if that's possible). Total cost for me at Casarao this time was R20 entry + R10 drink (water) + R250 girl + R40 room = R320. Took Uber back to the hotel.

More to come.

Slept in late again on Tuesday morning but woke up in time for another brunch at my hotel. At around 11:30, I took Uber to Clinica Yankin. That clinica is actually very close to a metro stop, so I could have taken the Metro from Moema, but given that the Uber was only R16, it hardly seemed worth the time or effort.

When I arrived at Yankin, there was only one other client there, plus an older Asian guy who was sitting with a woman who seemed like an employee (not a provider); I'm still not sure about those two. The lady at reception was nice and explained things using Google Translate. She only had 2 girls to present, who were in the 4-5/10 range. Another girl in the same range walked in soon after. I waited there for about 30 minutes, but things were still looking bleak, so I bailed and headed to Tangara.

I walked to Tangara, which was quite straightforward and took about 20 minutes. At Tangara, the lineup was worse than on Sunday, with a total of maybe 15 girls in the 4-6/10 range with one girl clearly the standout at maybe 7-8/10. Men were coming and going, but there was a pretty constant 4-5 men waiting at any point in time. I waited to see if the better looking girl would become free or if another better girl might arrive, but after killing some time, I eventually left at around 2:30. As I noted in an earlier post, I did confirm with the manager, Susan, that prices at Tangara are increasing later this week to R120 for 30 minutes and R170 for 60 minutes.

Took Uber back to the hotel to get some rest.

More to come.

SP Trip Report, Day 3, Part 2 - Scandallo.

After taking a nap, I woke up and got ready to go to Scandallo on Tuesday night. My goal was to get there before 7 pm to take advantage of the lower entry (R150 before 7 pm, R220 after 7 pm, with R150 consumable either way) and to use the consumable on dinner. However, my earlier trips were not really at rush hour, so I underestimated the effect of traffic and the amount of time it would take to get there. I ordered my Uber at 6:10, and I was sweating it a bit because I didn't know how strict they would be with the entry time, but I did make it there with 5 minutes to spare. You walk in through a garage area and visit the cashiers to check-in. They ask to see your passport to gain entry. Then they give you a card to keep track of food / drink, and your entry is also put on this card.

As has been noted in earlier reports, this place is really swanky- nice modern decor, big spaces, luxurious vibe, and lots of security and waiters. I wandered around trying not to look lost and found my way to the restaurant. The food prices are actually not bad, from maybe R60 and up for entrees, especially given the portion sizes. I ordered a steak salad, and it was pretty good with enough food to fill me up. After eating, I wandered around to check out the facilities and the ladies. Most of the club is closed off early in the day, then they open it later when things pick up. One girl offered to take me on a tour, so she showed me around, which was helpful. The central outdoor courtyard area (which I was told used to have small huts and tents) is now undergoing renovation, although no one seemed to know what was planned. I remember Steve writing about the little door for delivering drinks in the rooms as a measure of luxury; for me, it was the dental floss in the bathrooms, which was a nice amenity.

My first impression was that the women in this place were considerably more attractive than anywhere else I had been in Sao Paulo, or anywhere else I've ever been for that matter. I would put it on par with or maybe better than Globe in Zurich, if not just for sheer numbers. Most girls were in the 7-8/10 range, and there were easily 10-20 girls I would put in the 9-10/10 range. There were only a few I would rate at 5/10 or below. There were almost no black girls (I think I saw 2-3), but there were a few Asian girls (including one very pretty half-Japanese girl who was nice and spoke excellent English), and there were even a few redheads. During peak time (11 pm to 1 am), there must have been 200-300 girls there, with super-hot girls everywhere you looked. In short, this place is amazing. Most of the girls quoted prices of R600-R800 per hour (except for the half-Japanese girl, who quoted R1000) with different services included.

There were so many pretty girls, and so many continuing to arrive, that it was hard to even get a handle on the place. Usually, when I go to a club, I like to check out all of the talent, choose my 2-3 favorites, and then talk to those few to figure out my order of preference. Here, every time I would look for a girl, I would see another new candidate. There were just too many girls, and I was literally spoiled for choice. In the end, while I was looking for another girl, I saw one of my targets standing idly, and I approached her. Her name was Bruna, and she was very pretty (I would rate her as one of the 9/10's), but she looked kind of like one of my long-ago girlfriends but with red hair, which really appealed to me. Plus she was very nice and was giving me a good vibe while I was talking to her, so I decided to take her to the room. We agreed on R600 for one hour including the stuff I like (but no anal), which was okay with me.

The system is a bit confusing; you go downstairs and then upstairs again to go to another set of cashiers, where you pay for the room (R200 for one hour). Then you go upstairs from there to get to the rooms. The place is huge - it looks like there are 4 floors of rooms, with many rooms per floor -- and the rooms themselves are nice with dual showers, toilets, music, TV, and AC. In the room, Bruna delivered with a great GFE and all of the fun stuff that goes with with that. After we were finished and all cleaned up, I paid her in cash in the room, and we headed back downstairs.

At that point, I was pretty tired. I took a few more laps around the place just to get a sense of it, as it was even more crowded than before with even more new pretty faces. Then I went back downstairs to check out. It turned out that my food and drinks, plus the piece of cake I bought to share with one girl, came to R145, so I just paid my R150 for entry, which covered all of that. In total, I spent R150 entry / consumables + R200 room + R600 girl = R950. Then I took Uber back to my hotel.

I understand that this was expensive for Sao Paulo, but the difference in girl quality was huge between this place and the clinicas or Espaco Vergueiro, and the overall experience was also much better. In the grand scheme of things, since I don't come to Brazil often, and having spent so much on flights and the hotel, I would rather just spend the money for the experience. Also, the cost is really not that different from an FKK club in Germany or Switzerland when you factor in the club entry costs and girls' service levels. Now I was going to have to make some choices about what to do with the rest of my time here.

More to come.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2325061]
As the ATM skimmers are a serious risk in Brazil, I prefer to do as few ATM withdrawals as possible to reduce the risk of exposure and minimize the inconvenience of going to a secure location. [/QUOTE]Ya lahwy! I was once hit by that at Guarulhos. Seriously after all these years the airport authorities don't know what's going on?

Afterwards my bank wouldn't even talk to me. Internationally Brazil is a financial pariah. Don't even try to get money in electronically. Stick to cash always.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2325160]If Brooklin required you to take their taxi to and from Jardins, like Scandalo requires you to pay entrance and room fees, then the actual session price would be 300 and something.[/QUOTE]It's quite common practice that the clients in a nightclub have to pay for their drinks and that's what Scandallo is, a nightclub. I don't think the prices are even high for a nightclub. The minimum consumption in my opinion is a good thing, because it keeps certain kind of people out of the place. If not, the place would be like a clinica, where the usual suspects come every day to socialize with each other and wouldn't consume anything and wouldn't take any girls for a session. I don't consider the money I leave to the house part of the pussy price. I pay for the nightclub experience, where all the female clients are interested in me and want to have sex with me. Quite unique for a guy of 56. If one calculates the total cost of getting laid and that's the only thing you get from going to Scandallo, Bomboa or a clinica, then the taxi fare is part of that cost. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2325354]Ya lahwy! I was once hit by that at Guarulhos. Seriously after all these years the airport authorities don't know what's going on?

Afterwards my bank wouldn't even talk to me. Internationally Brazil is a financial pariah. Don't even try to get money in electronically. Stick to cash always.[/QUOTE]You always have the option of transferring money directly from the US (or anywhere else) and simply picking up the cash at a convenient location. Transferwise, Western Union, or any remittance service will do. Set up an account in the US, affect a transfer and pick it up at the most convenient location for you. You also get decent rates and convenience. The only caution is that you need to determine what verification you will need, it is best (easiest) to set up the system before leaving the US.

Jib Reach.

[QUOTE=AznSafado;2324854]The misconception about Scandallo is the rate that the girls want at Scandallo, being [NOPARSE]R$500 or R$600[/NOPARSE] or whatever you get her to lower it to, is the deterring factor for us mongers to avoid the place. It's really the overhead of the entrance fee and room fee. You're already in for [NOPARSE]R$470[/NOPARSE] before even adding on the price of the girl! It'll be minimum about [NOPARSE]R$1000[/NOPARSE] all in to do a program there, no matter how you slice it.[/QUOTE]For the hottest girls I'd rather go to Germany and do FKK girls who are of similar or even better quality, for less overall.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2325486]For the hottest girls I'd rather go to Germany and do FKK girls who are of similar or even better quality, for less overall.[/QUOTE]Hottest girls maybe, but not sure you get the better experience in the FKKs. I have visited both places numerous times, and I tend to lean towards Brazil for a more fun experience.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2325486]For the hottest girls I'd rather go to Germany and do FKK girls who are of similar or even better quality, for less overall.[/QUOTE]Brazilian women are sexier and better looking than Romanian women (more diverse), they also offer better service. You can find any kind of woman in Brazil, there is taste for everyone.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2325522]Brazilian women are sexier and better looking than Romanian women (more diverse), they also offer better service. You can find any kind of woman in Brazil, there is taste for everyone.[/QUOTE]I have yet to find any Asian women here.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2325500]Hottest girls maybe, but not sure you get the better experience in the FKKs. I have visited both places numerous times, and I tend to lean towards Brazil for a more fun experience.[/QUOTE]I won't join The Who is Hotter debate. Love my Brasileiras and Ro-girls equally in this respect. But Brasileiras win the GFE hands down. As I've said before they have a unique ability to live in the moment and truly enjoy (or appear to) their time with you. Sure selected Ro-Girls bring strong GFE (Cambria London, Kate Globe) but it seems to come easy to the majority of Brasileiras.

The FKK and the Boate are DIFFERENT experiences. I strongly suggest BOTH!

Scandallo versus all the other options has been discussed extensively. I don't consider the minimum consumption as part of the price for a girl. Minimum consumption is a common concept in popular Brazilian clubs and bars. So really, it is what it is and it's not unusual.

Having said that, Scandallo is an expensive option for the SP scene when you factor in the girl's rate plus the room. I've been with top escorts that cost less than a Scandallo hook-up. These escort girls would be among the hottest in Scandallo and often times they are. Again, I'm not sure this can be debated.

When I return to Sao Paulo, I'll still probably return to Scandallo.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2325522]Brazilian women are sexier and better looking than Romanian women (more diverse), they also offer better service. You can find any kind of woman in Brazil, there is taste for everyone.[/QUOTE]I won't argue with you regarding sexiness and looks, that depends on personal taste. However, there is no disputing that Brazilian women are miles ahead in terms of GFE and service. I visit FKKs for the looks of the girls and Brazil for exhilarating fornication.

[QUOTE=KPete;2325350]Slept in late again on Tuesday morning but woke up in time for another brunch at my hotel. At around 11:30, I took Uber to Clinica Yankin.[/QUOTE]How did you get uber to work?? I never had to use uber until yesterday. It asked for CPF. I used one I got from a menina but then it asked for date of birth, which obviously I did not have. So I tried the alternative and added my credit card info, which was an US credit card BTW. Although I was able to select my destination and my payment method (cash), I never could get the order to go through. The app always gave me a message saying "something went wrong".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2325862]I won't argue with you regarding sexiness and looks, that depends on personal taste. However, there is no disputing that Brazilian women are miles ahead in terms of GFE and service. I visit FKKs for the looks of the girls and Brazil for exhilarating fornication.[/QUOTE]I would argue that they deliver the best PSE sex too, including anal sex. Most of us here think highly of the Brazilian girls as sex vixens. That's why we frequent this part of the site and daydream about our next opportunity to visit Brazil!

I'm very fussy about finding pretty girls. I always find them all over Southern Brazil. And 80% of the time, they aren't satisfied unless they are satisfying me. The other 20% (roughly) do a decent job with the rare bad attitude in between.

I can't get into the Ro-girl look in general. I prefer Czech girls as they have softer features and more Germanic mixed-in. I believe Prague has become hit or miss for finding Czech girls who are hot and offer good service. Of course, a lot of Euros will find you anything you want.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2325907]How did you get uber to work?? I never had to use uber until yesterday. It asked for CPF. I used one I got from a menina but then it asked for date of birth, which obviously I did not have. So I tried the alternative and added my credit card info, which was an US credit card BTW. Although I was able to select my destination and my payment method (cash), I never could get the order to go through. The app always gave me a message saying "something went wrong".[/QUOTE]If you google 'gerardor cpf' you will find quite a few sites to give you a cpf. I used it appr 7 years ago to buy plane tickets. I guess it still works.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2326033]I'm very fussy about finding pretty girls. I always find them all over Southern Brazil. And 80% of the time, they aren't satisfied unless they are satisfying me. The other 20% (roughly) do a decent job with the rare bad attitude in between.

I can't get into the Ro-girl look in general. I prefer Czech girls as they have softer features and more Germanic mixed-in. I believe Prague has become hit or miss for finding Czech girls who are hot and offer good service. Of course, a lot of Euros will find you anything you want.[/QUOTE]A Czech babe from my freelance photojournalist days in Prague, circa 1997. Damn, I can't remember her name. But I'll never forget that ass!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2326033]I'm very fussy about finding pretty girls. I always find them all over Southern Brazil. And 80% of the time, they aren't satisfied unless they are satisfying me. The other 20% (roughly) do a decent job with the rare bad attitude in between.

I can't get into the Ro-girl look in general. I prefer Czech girls as they have softer features and more Germanic mixed-in. I believe Prague has become hit or miss for finding Czech girls who are hot and offer good service. Of course, a lot of Euros will find you anything you want.[/QUOTE]Wyatt dude you must be looking in the wrong places. Go to Diva Escorts London and peruse. They are 90% Ro-girls. If you can't find one that lights you up I will be amazed. If you'the rather go direct than browse search for Fortune or Rivetta or Cambria or Kendall. I saw all these girls on my last visit and they are spectacular looking. I think you will be surprised and impressed.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2326106]A Czech babe from my freelance photojournalist days in Prague, circa 1997. Damn, I can't remember her name. But I'll never forget that ass![/QUOTE]Sorry, photos did not post. Here they are!

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2326053]If you google 'gerardor cpf' you will find quite a few sites to give you a cpf. I used it appr 7 years ago to buy plane tickets. I guess it still works.[/QUOTE]Wow, I didn't know such sites existed. Good to know, thanks. I tried uber again today but still no go so I downloaded '"99" and entered my credit card info. I did a test run and the order went through so hopefully it will continue to work.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2326106]A Czech babe from my freelance photojournalist days in Prague, circa 1997. Damn, I can't remember her name. But I'll never forget that ass![/QUOTE]Were you intending to post a photo? Just interested.

I don't have any recent experience in Prague, but it appears from reports that it was more fun for mongerers in the 90's.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2325522]Brazilian women are sexier and better looking than Romanian women (more diverse), they also offer better service. You can find any kind of woman in Brazil, there is taste for everyone.[/QUOTE]I don't know about the quality of native Romanian women so I cannot comment on if they are better looking in general. But for my personal taste, I prefer girls with darker complexions, mulatas, and negras with jet black hair. Here in Brasil, I have to agree with you that there is a wide range of girls to choose from and that's why I keep coming back to Brasil. If I want a break from my mulatas, I know I will have no problem finding light skinned girls.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2325907]How did you get uber to work?? I never had to use uber until yesterday. It asked for CPF. I used one I got from a menina but then it asked for date of birth, which obviously I did not have. So I tried the alternative and added my credit card info, which was an US credit card BTW. Although I was able to select my destination and my payment method (cash), I never could get the order to go through. The app always gave me a message saying "something went wrong".[/QUOTE]Did you use Uber stateside? I registered in the USA and used it there, subsequently it worked for me around the world without any problems, except for the quirky places like Argentina. (Mexico, Brazil, Amsterdam just to name a few places).

If you try to register for your first account in Brazil, that could be problematic.

If you have a proxy account with USA access, try registering online through that, and then log on to the app. Otherwise, ask for a friend's account stateside and then pay him back.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2326033]I'm very fussy about finding pretty girls. I always find them all over Southern Brazil. And 80% of the time, they aren't satisfied unless they are satisfying me. The other 20% (roughly) do a decent job with the rare bad attitude in between.

I can't get into the Ro-girl look in general. I prefer Czech girls as they have softer features and more Germanic mixed-in. I believe Prague has become hit or miss for finding Czech girls who are hot and offer good service. Of course, a lot of Euros will find you anything you want.[/QUOTE]When I was in Europe and was frequenting partytreffs, RO girls were like cancer to them. Could be very pretty but are very much focused on high volume, minimum effort interactions. Fake moaning in an effort to get me to "pop" ASAP and move on to the next victim. No GFE at all. Once a partytreff had a critical mass of RO girls, it wouldn't be worth coming back to. And I don't want to "pop", I want to have an experience of being with a woman.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2325623]Scandallo versus all the other options has been discussed extensively. I don't consider the minimum consumption as part of the price for a girl. Minimum consumption is a common concept in popular Brazilian clubs and bars. So really, it is what it is and it's not unusual.

Having said that, Scandallo is an expensive option for the SP scene when you factor in the girl's rate plus the room. I've been with top escorts that cost less than a Scandallo hook-up. These escort girls would be among the hottest in Scandallo and often times they are. Again, I'm not sure this can be debated.

When I return to Sao Paulo, I'll still probably return to Scandallo.[/QUOTE]Mind me asking where you found these top escorts that cost less than a Scandallo hook-up?

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2326357]Did you use Uber stateside? I registered in the USA and used it there, subsequently it worked for me around the world without any problems, except for the quirky places like Argentina. (Mexico, Brazil, Amsterdam just to name a few places).

If you try to register for your first account in Brazil, that could be problematic.

If you have a proxy account with USA access, try registering online through that, and then log on to the app. Otherwise, ask for a friend's account stateside and then pay him back.[/QUOTE]Yes I do use Uber back at home but that phone I use in the states is not unlocked so I cannot use it here in Brazil. Currently I'm using a different phone that is unlocked with a Brazilian chip. The problem will be, if I use my USA number to log in, this phone will not be able to receive the text message with the security code since it has a Brazilian phone number. I downloaded the 99 app yesterday and I did a test run and it worked. I haven't used it since so hopefully it will continue to work. Thanks for your help.

Downloaded Uber app while in Brazil. Used foreign CC and foreign telephone number. Input other number for cfp as I don't have it. Worked well. Billing in reais, converted into foreign currency. Uber won't work on routes connecting Brazil with neighboring countries.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2326361]When I was in Europe and was frequenting partytreffs, RO girls were like cancer to them. Could be very pretty but are very much focused on high volume, minimum effort interactions. Fake moaning in an effort to get me to "pop" ASAP and move on to the next victim. No GFE at all. Once a partytreff had a critical mass of RO girls, it wouldn't be worth coming back to. And I don't want to "pop", I want to have an experience of being with a woman.[/QUOTE]To be clear, no one brings the true GFE like a Brasileira. But I think Ro-girls get whitewashed with a bad name due to the cliques that form in the FKKs for example. This is counter to my experience with the agency girls in London. I get good GFE (by most world standards) from most hand-picked Ro-girls in London and being in their bed is very intimate and part of the GFE IMO. I think on balance Brasileiras have a higher percent GFE, but not all Ro-girls are so mercenary. Course given a choice I will fly to Brasil. But got to defend my Ro-girls -- they've been mighty good to me.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2326596]To be clear, no one brings the true GFE like a Brasileira. But I think Ro-girls get whitewashed with a bad name due to the cliques that form in the FKKs for example. This is counter to my experience with the agency girls in London. I get good GFE (by most world standards) from most hand-picked Ro-girls in London and being in their bed is very intimate and part of the GFE IMO. I think on balance Brasileiras have a higher percent GFE, but not all Ro-girls are so mercenary. Course given a choice I will fly to Brasil. But got to defend my Ro-girls -- they've been mighty good to me.[/QUOTE]I love the svelte, slender, and long-legged RO gazelles at Globe. Where in SP can I find Brazilian girls with this body type?

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2326622]I love the svelte, slender, and long-legged RO gazelles at Globe. Where in SP can I find Brazilian girls with this body type?[/QUOTE]Search for Melânia Grassih on photoacompanhantes. Tall, slender, long legged. Decent attitude and GFE. Meets at a hotel in moema.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2321509]As I always pointed up, be early at Tangara, especially on Sundays. If you go after 4 pm maybe you will find 30 dudes waiting for rooms.

I was there today, arrived at 1:30 pm, there were about 25 girls in the house and very few customers. Went with Sophie, a escola de samba type mulata, fantastic service, DFK, BBBJ, and CIM.

ABG.[/QUOTE]I agree. Unfortunately, in my case I was limited in arrival time, since that was the day I arrived, and I needed to get a SIM card for my phone. For me, Sunday was an 'extra' day, and unfortunately things didn't pan out for me at Tangara.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2323278]The Moema clinicas are not far. The Sao Paulo fears are a bit overdone if you follow sensible, secure precautions. I would consider just taking an Uber or even better AltoBomGosto will take you hunting clinica girls in his car for a very reasonable rate. He might even be able to find you a clinica girls who doesn't object to photos.

Escorts are of course an option and the last several months have recommendations of well-reviewed girls. If a girl has a twitter and / or a website profile with lots of facial photos, I'm guessing you can negotiate a nominal extra fee for photos.[/QUOTE]I agree. I walked all around Moema on multiple days, and I always felt safe. I wouldn't walk around by yourself at night, but during the day I don't sense any problem if you use common sense. At night, I would probably use Uber to get around.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2324900]Salaam Pete. Abbobora is the only clinica I know that won't let you really chat to the girl to make sure she is the agreeing type. Some will blame the pushy reception lady. Anyway it's a deal-breaker for me. I could sympathize if they always had good-service girls and wanted to protect them, but I've been disappointed there before -- reminding me how important it is to check that the girl is in the right mood.[/QUOTE]I agree. As you'll see in my later post, I did eventually do a TD there, and the service was lackluster. There just isn't a chance to build or test the chemistry, which is problematic for me.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2325027]Awesome reports, thank you.

There are random gems that could be found at any clinic. The best times to see all the girls is early afternoon, when they are already working but before the crowds start arriving. Probably 1 pm or so is optimal for the first visit.

Also I saw in your earlier report that you were put off by the girls in Tangara who seemed cold or annoyed. I've seen that before, girls who seem cold, annoyed, or disinterested. But their attitude magically changed when we got to the room. So it may be productive to give them a chance if you find the face to your liking. Also, Tangara has a Whatsapp group they can sign you up for and they send out girls lists and photos throughout the day.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Having read earlier reports, this was my strategy -- to hit the Moema clinicas in the early afternoon, to make the rounds and see if I could find a gem. As you will see from my aggregated reports, I didn't have much luck. I would say the same for Tangara, although I think the setup of that place is more conducive to success, if you can find a girl to your liking.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2325141]This has been mostly my experience with the clinicas to, although I did not visit Abbobora, but hope to next time. The clinica prices might be lower, but the looks I want just aren't there in enough numbers. Disappointing and not worth it to me to be running around all over the place trying to find a looker in a clinica who will do what I want. The boites and the "night league" is the place for me![/QUOTE]I agree completely. As you'll see from my later reports, for me the boites were the place where I was able to find the girls I like, albeit at much higher prices.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2325907]How did you get uber to work?? I never had to use uber until yesterday. It asked for CPF. I used one I got from a menina but then it asked for date of birth, which obviously I did not have. So I tried the alternative and added my credit card info, which was an US credit card BTW. Although I was able to select my destination and my payment method (cash), I never could get the order to go through. The app always gave me a message saying "something went wrong".[/QUOTE]I had downloaded and used the Uber app in my home country prior to my trip, so that might have had something to do with it. I had issues using a credit card in the Uber app, but I was able to use cash without any problem.

Slept in again on Wednesday morning and had brunch at the hotel while deciding what I should do with my day. Despite my less-than-good experiences with clinicas, in light of prior discussions on this forum I decided to give them one last shot, but thought I'd try later in the afternoon, in case my earlier experiences were more of a time-of-day problem. So, I made another loop of the clinicas, hitting the 'most likely' clinicas: Red, Miruna, and Abbobora.

I left my hotel at around 2 pm and walked 20 minutes to get to Red Massagem. Same friendly lady at the front desk. There were about 10 girls there, but if anything the talent was even worse, now in the 2-5/10 range in looks. There were a couple of much older, not-so-fit women there wearing skimpy clothing, which is a sight I will never be able to unseen. Got out of there as quickly as possible.

Another 10-15 minute walk to Clinica Miruna. Again, same nice lady at reception. Maybe 7 girls in the 4-6/10 range, so maybe slightly better than before, but no one I would seriously consider. So again, that a wash.

Final stop was Abbobora Massagem, which is just 1-2 minutes away from Miruna. Found the side entrance. Again, same lady at the front desk, who wasn't so nice the last time but was nicer this time. The talent here, again, was clearly better than in the other places, with more girls (maybe 10 total) in the 5-8/10 range in looks. I was debating whether I should pull the trigger here or save my money and, more importantly, my energy for likely better things tonight. But I figured this would be my best chance to try out the clinica action, so I chose the best looking girl named Rebecca with fair skin, long wavy black hair, and a nice face.

Took her to the room for R260 for 60 minutes. In the room, she was a bit standoffish, not unpleasant but not really affectionate. Limited kissing, but did a good BBBJ and had sex in multiple positions. I finished before the 60 minute mark, but she didn't seem keen on hanging out, so I just took a shower and left. So this was my one session in a clinica, and it was not so good.

So, through my experiences the past few days, I learned that the clinicas are not for me. They are certainly cheaper, and I can see how they can be great value if you visit often and know the girls, so you know where and when to go to find what you want. However, I am just showing up at these places when they are supposed to be busiest and hoping that I get lucky. Which I have not been -- the girl quality has just not been there for me, and even when the girls' appearance met my standard, the service did not. There are obviously lots of reasons why this may be, and there are also some things one could theoretically do to mitigate these factors; however, I am not going to wax philosophical here, I just make observations and present my opinions. For me this is about quality, not quantity. So I decided that for the remainder of my trip I would focus my efforts on the nightclubs.

For Wednesday night, I was debating whether to go back to Scandallo or to try Bomboa, Cafe Photo, or a place like Chanes or Bahamas. I decided to try Bomboa, because it sounded like Scandallo with more Brazilian flair and slightly less expensive girls, and I still had time to go back to Scandallo another night.

Bomboa has reduced entry (R150) before 5 pm but is R250 after that (both all consumable); they add an extra 10% for tips, so really it's R165 and R275. That is a longer interval between the reduced entry time and the peak time (presumably 11 pm-2 am) than Scandallo. And since I wanted to see this place at its peak but didn't want to spend 9 hours there, I decided to suck up the cost of the late entry. So, I took an Uber there at around 8:30 pm. As it turns out, I saw a lot of very pretty girls leaving when I arrived and shortly thereafter, maybe even better than the girls who came later. I don't know if that's a coincidence, but there might be something to that, and this club might be worth checking out earlier in the day. Knowing what I know now, I probably would have come earlier (in the late afternoon) for the reduced entry.

I walked in, and they found an English-speaking waiter to give me an introduction to the place. That guy turned out to be very helpful -- apart from familiarizing me with the club, he also gave me pointers and helped me communicate with the girls. As has been noted in earlier reports, this place is really nice, but in a different way from Scandallo; it's the wood, marble, and red velvet to Scandallo's steel and glass. But it is starting to show some wear around the edges. You might compare these places to old Vegas and new Vegas in terms of feel. Bomboa, though, is much, much smaller, with pretty much all of the mixing taking place in a single room. It has a great live band (in my opinion better than the one at Scandallo). Girls occasionally dance at the stripper poles (maybe a couple of girls per hour), although some just stripped down to their underwear. Food prices and quality are similar to Scandallo, and my grilled salmon was tasty and was enough food for me. Also, Bomboa uses an antiquated system to track food / drink; you are given a numbered wristband when you arrive, and the waiters literally write your orders on a paper slip, which you sign, and these slips are tabulated using something resembling a calculator from the 1970's.

In terms of girls, there were many fewer than Scandallo (maybe 80-100, so less than half the number). Overall, girls were maybe a half-notch below Scandallo, with most in the 6-8/10 range and maybe 2-3 girls I would put in the 9-10/10 range. There were only a few I would rate at 5/10 or below. There were proportionally more black girls than at Scandallo (maybe 5-6). I didn't see any Asian girls or redheads. Most of the girls I spoke with quoted prices of R400-R600 per hour with different services included. Because there are so many fewer girls than at Scandallo, and most are in one room, it was much easier to get a handle on the place.

I had my eye on a few candidates, but in the end I took the recommendation of the waiter and chose a girl named Bruna, who was very pretty with long wavy blond hair. We agreed on R400 for one hour of 'standard' service including BBBJ but no anal. Unlike in Scandallo, the 'onsite' rooms are not actually part of the club, they are in the hotel next door. So in order to take a girl to the room, you have to checkout of the club, settle up, and then you can leave. If you want to return, they give you a receipt, which you can then present for re-entry, including the amount of consumables you have remaining on your 'tab. ' The hotel next door costs R180 for the hour; it's okay but is not as nice as Scandallo. In the room, Bruna did what she promised, although she was maybe more PSE vs GFE than I would have liked. She did let me take some photos at the end and was really nice about that. I paid her in cash in the room, and we headed back to the club.

I stayed for a little while longer to check out the new girls coming in and to use more of my consumables. At around 2 am, I went to check out. I consumed less than the R250 entry, so I didn't owe any extra for consumables. In total, I spent R275 entry / consumables + R180 room + R400 girl = R855. Then I took Uber back to my hotel.

Overall, I liked Bomboa. If I had to choose between Bomboa and Scandallo, I would choose Scandallo just because it's such an amazing experience with the sheer number of pretty girls. But, assuming that what I saw was representative, I would guess that most men should also be able to find something of interest in Bomboa. The atmosphere is more relaxed, the girls circulate more, and it's just an easier place to keep track of than Scandallo. If the girls I saw leaving early were indicative of the day shift, then this could be a good play for the afternoon into the evening, with the lower entry fee and relatively lower girl prices (compared to Scandallo) for those who, like me, have difficulty finding anything of interest in the clinicas.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2326164]I don't know about the quality of native Romanian women so I cannot comment on if they are better looking in general. But for my personal taste, I prefer girls with darker complexions, mulatas, and negras with jet black hair. Here in Brasil, I have to agree with you that there is a wide range of girls to choose from and that's why I keep coming back to Brasil. If I want a break from my mulatas, I know I will have no problem finding light skinned girls.[/QUOTE]I prefer Middle Eastern and Mediterranean looking women. I prefer Brazilians of Italian, Syrian and Libaneses descent, maybe because I am Brazilian of Middle Eastern origin. I am not really into Black, Dark skinned, Native or White European looking women but I can fuck them if they are hot. Bcause I fuck all kinds of girls.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2325536]I have yet to find any Asian women here.[/QUOTE]There are Brazilian women of Asian decent, Especially in Sao Paulo and my state (Parana). You can find them in some clubs. But most of them are not working girls in Brazil.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2326822]There are Brazilian women of Asian decent, Especially in Sao Paulo and my state (Parana). You can find them in some clubs. But most of them are not working girls in Brazil.[/QUOTE]This is Suzuki (not her real name), she's from Manaus but works primarily in Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2326622]I love the svelte, slender, and long-legged RO gazelles at Globe. Where in SP can I find Brazilian girls with this body type?[/QUOTE]In a word: Scandallo. I have been to Globe many times, and the lineup at Scandallo is comparable to Globe, except that on peaks days there are maybe 5-10 x the number of girls. In terms of sheer looks, Scandallo is pretty amazing, and you will be sure to find multiple targets on a busy night.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2326822]There are Brazilian women of Asian decent, Especially in Sao Paulo and my state (Parana). You can find them in some clubs. But most of them are not working girls in Brazil.[/QUOTE]I met some half-Japanese women in the clnicas and boites, including one very pretty one (named Yumi, if I recall correctly) at Scandallo.

[QUOTE=KPete;2326761]
Final stop was Abbobora Massagem, which is just 1-2 minutes away from Miruna. Found the side entrance. Again, same lady at the front desk, who wasn't so nice the last time but was nicer this time. The talent here, again, was clearly better than in the other places, with more girls (maybe 10 total) in the 5-8/10 range in looks. I was debating whether I should pull the trigger here or save my money and, more importantly, my energy for likely better things tonight. But I figured this would be my best chance to try out the clinica action, so I chose the best looking girl named Rebecca with fair skin, long wavy black hair, and a nice face.

Took her to the room for R260 for 60 minutes. In the room, she was a bit standoffish, not unpleasant but not really affectionate. Limited kissing, but did a good BBBJ and had sex in multiple positions. I finished before the 60 minute mark, but she didn't seem keen on hanging out, so I just took a shower and left. So this was my one session in a clinica, and it was not so good.
[/QUOTE]I've stopped by Abbobora a couple of times per week the last 3 weeks. Same old lineup. Finally, this past Thursday I spoke with the receptionist and asked what was the deal and she said you won't see anybody new unless you come on a Saturday. I decided to try it out yesterday on a Saturday. The lineup was a lot different from what I've been seeing lately. I chose a morena named Camila who was excellent GFE. She was in her late 20's but looked young. I had a session here a few weeks ago and the girl that I had chosen was a total dud. Gave CBJ and hardly even kissed. But this morena I chose was a winner. DFK, BBBJ, 69, etc. She only works occasionally on Saturdays. She ended up coming over to my apartment today on a Sunday. She charged [NOPARSE]R$400[/NOPARSE] for 2 hours, which seems reasonable.

[QUOTE=KPete;2326905]In a word: Scandallo. I have been to Globe many times, and the lineup at Scandallo is comparable to Globe, except that on peaks days there are maybe 5-10 x the number of girls. In terms of sheer looks, Scandallo is pretty amazing, and you will be sure to find multiple targets on a busy night.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your tip KPete. I will check out Scandallo. I guess at Globe the girls are naked on FKK days so what you see is what you get. At Scandallo, the girls wear dresses so you may take some chances since you don't get to see their naked bodies before going to rooms.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2326681]Search for Melnia Grassih on photoacompanhantes. Tall, slender, long legged. Decent attitude and GFE. Meets at a hotel in moema.[/QUOTE]Thank you the tip FRobertson. I will try her out.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2321597]So for anyone who was paying attention to my Thifany saga, it's back on!

The short version is this: Boy meets girl in club. (Well actually old man and girl but who's counting) Boy and girl hit it off passionately. Spend 5 hours together having sex twice once together and once with her friend in an epic dupla. I invite her to Join me on a trip to London (crazy!) She accepts (extra crazy!) and we have the time of our lives. Dancing till 3 AM every night and of course epic sex. Absolutely the best time you could possibly have (the entire epic is available to senior members by PMing me.).

Since that time it's been on again off again with the usual money troubles and phone being "lost" etc. So radio silence for 4 months when she pops up on my Instagram feed as active again. Well we are kinda picking up where we left off and I have to say it's exciting. I know for sure she is not LTR material so no slippery slope there. But she is intoxicating to be with so I have to watch myself. Will likely see her in July. I'll keep you posted![/QUOTE]Steve, "intoxicating" is the appropriate term to describe the feeling that from time to time I also develop toward some Romanian FKK girls I have been with. I even fantasize about proposing to them, LOL! From time to time, it's wonderful to meet some beautiful and charming girls who are able to warm your heart. I chat with them via WhatsApp to keep me excited until my next trans-Atltantic trip to FKK wonderland.

On Thursday, I decided to explore Sao Paulo a bit as a tourist, so after breakfast I went walking around the city center, Av Paulista, and Villa Madalena areas of the city and visited a couple of museums. After an afternoon nap, I was ready to return to Scandallo to finish off my trip.

Like last time, I took Uber to Scandallo aiming to get there just before 7 pm. But even though I left a little earlier than last time, I arrived a few minutes later than planned (literally at 7:02), and they refused to give me the discount, so I had to pay the full R250 entry (still R150 consumable). Major bummer. Learn from my mistake: you have to respect the rush hour traffic, so leave yourself even more extra time than you think you'l need. Like last time, the club was relative quiet at that hour, so I had some dinner (a good Caesar salad) and watch some of the soccer game. I walked around a bit and saw some familiar faces, saying Hello, to some girls I had met the other night, and scoping out some new prospects. A lot of girls were wearing the same outfits as last time, which I suppose is good for helping to remember them but is maybe not so good for hygiene reasons.

Anyway, by the time the lounge area opened at around 10 pm, the number of girls and men increased significantly, and things definitely picked up. Having been here before, I had a pretty good sense of what would be on offer, and I calibrated my expectations accordingly. After walking around a bit, I saw the prettiest (or one of the prettiest) girls I had seen in that club, a definite 10/10 to me, slim with long straight blond hair named Gabi. I approached her, and we spoke a bit, before I started asking her about her 'program' in the room. She initially quoted me a price of R800, which I countered with R600. She countered back, but I held firm, and she looked annoyed, so I thanked her for her time and walked away. The thing about Scandallo is that there is always another pretty girl around the corner, so you'll never want for choice. I left the lounge and went to the other area, where I saw another familiar face and chatted with her for a bit. When I came back to the lounge, Gabi nearly pounced on me, saying she had been looking for me (she probably had been scanning the lounge, since I wasn't there) and let's go to the room for R600. So, we went to the room. As you might expect for such a hot girl, the service was good but not fantastic, but she was so hot that I really enjoyed myself, and I certainly have some great memories.

We came back downstairs, and I got another drink and looked around the lounge area. More new pretty faces, including some 10/10's I would have been interested in taking to the room, if I had more time and energy. But since I needed to leave the next day, I decided to head out relatively early at around midnight. Total cost was R250 entry / consumables + R200 room + R600 girl = R1050. I took Uber back to my hotel.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2326996]Steve, "intoxicating" is the appropriate term to describe the feeling that from time to time I also develop toward some Romanian FKK girls I have been with. I even fantasize about proposing to them, LOL! From time to time, it's wonderful to meet some beautiful and charming girls who are able to warm your heart. I chat with them via WhatsApp to keep me excited until my next trans-Atltantic trip to FKK wonderland.[/QUOTE]Yes some girls just have that "it" thing about them and I get like a little puppy. I believe you read the whole Thifany saga, so you can see why I am smitten.

Speaking of Thifany — anyone know Brazilian culture? Is it common to get engaged and married very quickly? Recall 2 weeks ago Thifany got engaged (and then told me she still wants to see me!) but now as I look at her Instagram it sure looks like they are getting married today or tomorrow. I am super happy for her. Is this common in Brazil to marry so quickly after popping the question?

On the WhatsApp thing I too really enjoy "staying in touch". I pen palled with Rika for about a year before she ghosted me. Thifany and I were almost daily for a very long time. And I stay in touch with one of my London's Ro-girls. It's just nice to see how they are doing and have a little fun / flirty long distance girlfriend.

I've been to both and I'd give Scandallo the edge in fitness and hotness but I like brazileras more than Ro girls. Not by much tho LOL. And in terms of amenities it's no contest.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2326984]Thank you for your tip KPete. I will check out Scandallo. I guess at Globe the girls are naked on FKK days so what you see is what you get. At Scandallo, the girls wear dresses so you may take some chances since you don't get to see their naked bodies before going to rooms.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2325536]I have yet to find any Asian women here.[/QUOTE]Last year I sessioned a Japanese named Harooni in Tangara.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2327147]Last year I sessioned a Japanese named Harooni in Tangara.[/QUOTE]There is a nice Nipo Brazilian girl, que Ayume, DFK, GFE, BBBJ, CWG, AND CIM.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2327147]Last year I sessioned a Japanese named Harooni in Tangara.[/QUOTE]LOL me too. Harumi. She was born in Brazil though. They have a new "Japanese" girl at Tangara but she's old and not cute at all.

Since people have recently discussed Uber, has anyone used EasyTaxi recently? I haven't used ET in a couple years. EasyTaxi had a foothold in Latin America. Basically, they copied Uber's business model, but it was a bit cheaper and in some Latam cities I could find taxis outside tourist areas easier. Perhaps, Uber has expanded their footprint in those Latam cities.

[QUOTE=KPete;2326906]I met some half-Japanese women in the clnicas and boites, including one very pretty one (named Yumi, if I recall correctly) at Scandallo.[/QUOTE]You can find find few japanese working girls in Scandalo or in other clubs. You can also find in some clinicas.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2326870]This is Suzuki (not her real name), she's from Manaus but works primarily in Sao Paulo.[/QUOTE]She looks good but too big for people loving Asian women.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2327333]She looks good but too big for people loving Asian women.[/QUOTE]It's what happens when you grow up on sushi, rice, beans, & feijoada. Mixed with Africa, European, & Indigenous DNA. Plus a Smart-Fi Plano Black membership!

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2325536]I have yet to find any Asian women here.[/QUOTE]I don't know if your working online prospects, but I'm wondering if anyone has been with or reported on [URL]https://twitter.com/ahjaponesa[/URL] I'm looking to see if there are other Brazilian Asians on Twitter and Instagram.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2327468]It's what happens when you grow up on sushi, rice, beans, & feijoada. Mixed with Africa, European, & Indigenous DNA. Plus a Smart-Fi Plano Black membership![/QUOTE]There are also many Asian and Japanese Brazilians in Brazil looking as Asian as Japanese people in Japan. I am Jewish Brazilian of Syrian descent and have no mix. Many Brazilians are not mixed that's why Brazil is a diverse country because you can see people of any shape and any race.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2326538]Mind me asking where you found these top escorts that cost less than a Scandallo hook-up?[/QUOTE]It isn't hard. Twitter. The reputable websites. A little research is all. One just posted about a one hour hook-up at Scandallo for BRL1050 (plus entry drinks, dinner). BRL 1050 will get you a top companion for several hours at your hotel or her flat.

Jib Reach.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2325536]I have yet to find any Asian women here.[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo has the largest concentration of people of Japanese descent outside of Japan. If you can't find them, you're not looking very hard.

Jib Reach.

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[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2326622]I love the svelte, slender, and long-legged RO gazelles at Globe. Where in SP can I find Brazilian girls with this body type?[/QUOTE]FRobertson posted a great example. The svelte, slender and long-legged Brasileiras are out there. I'd say most of them are the tall mixed-race and black girls and that's fine with me. There are definitely some Euro-type girls that fit this description. I would start at Scandallo, Bomboa and start reading escort reviews and searching Twitter.

Here are a few Euro-type girls that are recommended:

[URL]https://twitter.com/RebecaGoya[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/Sara__Muller[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/PatyFantinigp[/URL]

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2326622]I love the svelte, slender, and long-legged RO gazelles at Globe. Where in SP can I find Brazilian girls with this body type?[/QUOTE]You can find them in the south of Brazil. There are many euro type girls who are svelte. In my state (parana), many other states in the south. You can also find many svelte euro type girls in Sao Paulo. As Wyatt stated, you can go to scandallo and bamboa. There are many svelte euro type girls on the streets of Sao Paulo but not every girl is working girl. The last time I went to Scandallo, I met a euro type girl with brown hair and blue eyes, she is tall 6 feet tall, svelte, she is a model, she just worked as a working girl to make some money, making money as a model is not easy, working as a model doesn't make money like Gigele Bundchen and some other known models. Most of the time they don't become famous. P.S. I am not into blond girls, it's not hard to find euro type girls with natural blond hair.

Some members spoke well of him, Maybe he can help you find svelte euro type girls. Everything is possible in Brazil when there is money. Believe me, there are many euro type girls in Brazil as beautiful as the euro type girls in Europe.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2327788]You can find them in the south of Brazil. There are many euro type girls who are svelte. In my state (parana), many other states in the south. You can also find many svelte euro type girls in Sao Paulo. As Wyatt stated, you can go to scandallo and bamboa. There are many svelte euro type girls on the streets of Sao Paulo but not every girl is working girl. The last time I went to Scandallo, I met a euro type girl with brown hair and blue eyes, she is tall 6 feet tall, svelte, she is a model, she just worked as a working girl to make some money, making money as a model is not easy, working as a model doesn't make money like Gigele Bundchen and some other known models. Most of the time they don't become famous. P.S. I am not into blond girls, it's not hard to find euro type girls with natural blond hair.

Some members spoke well of him, Maybe he can help you find svelte euro type girls. Everything is possible in Brazil when there is money. Believe me, there are many euro type girls in Brazil as beautiful as the euro type girls in Europe.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your kind help. I will start out at Scandallo and Bamboa. Scandallo has hundreds of girls to choose from so there will be someone for me. In comparison, Globe only has 52 girls maximum on the weekends.

All the best.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2327773]FRobertson posted a great example. The svelte, slender and long-legged Brasileiras are out there. I'd say most of them are the tall mixed-race and black girls and that's fine with me. There are definitely some Euro-type girls that fit this description. I would start at Scandallo, Bomboa and start reading escort reviews and searching Twitter.

Here are a few Euro-type girls that are recommended:

[URL]https://twitter.com/RebecaGoya[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/Sara__Muller[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/PatyFantinigp[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you for your kind help. I have been reading up on ISG's SP section. Scandallo and Bamboa sound like a bargain in comparison to Globe's pricing of 280 CHF per hour. For me, the flight to SP is the same as to Zurich. I will check out Scandallo and Bamboa.

All the best.

[QUOTE=JibReach;2327666]Sao Paulo has the largest concentration of people of Japanese descent outside of Japan. If you can't find them, you're not looking very hard.

Jib Reach.[/QUOTE]Mate,

I mean finding them within the framework of this hobby. Clinicas, escorts, etc. Of course they are out there in the street and in the shops. But if I could be successful picking up girls in civilian environments, I wouldn't be mongering like there's no tomorrow.

If I am overlooking some Japanese escort hangouts, links would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2327823]Thank you for your kind help. I will start out at Scandallo and Bamboa. Scandallo has hundreds of girls to choose from so there will be someone for me. In comparison, Globe only has 52 girls maximum on the weekends.

All the best.[/QUOTE]To have an idea about Brazil. If you are into Euro type women and don't have trouble spending money. I just took few random instagram pages. They are not working girls but you can find working girls like them if you are not on a budget when you travel to Brazil. Svelte Euro type girls are not missing in Brazil. Brazil is the third country with the most whites after the USA and Russia (95 000 000) and the country with the most Black people after Africa (60 000 000). Pardos and Europeans are the biggest populutation in Brazil. Pardos are mixed people (white. Native, white. Asian or black. Native etc).

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_Brazil[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/sabrina_geib/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/karinafacci/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/isabellasantoni/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/luizabsobral/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/melradunz/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/leandgui/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2328179]Svelte Euro type girls are not missing in Brazil. Brazil is the third country with the most whites after the USA and Russia (95 000 000) and the country with the most Black people after Africa (60 000 000). Pardos and Europeans are the biggest populutation in Brazil. Pardos are mixed people (white. Native, white. Asian or black. Native etc).[/QUOTE]I just had to "school" somebody about this very same thing the other day. Some people are so ignorant about Brazil. It is one of the largest and most diverse nations on the face of the earth! I used to just sit here and shake my head when reading posts from somebody like a PussyLiccker who seemed to hesitate for years about going to Brazil over concerns about whether or not the girls would be "white enough" there LOL! He even asked for mongers to post pictures of what a "typical" Brazilian girl looks like, which I quickly pointed out to be a ridiculous request. You can find whatever you would like in Brazil, and most of it in plentiful supply. Do not hesitate. Fornicate!

Somebody was asking about Asian women. Many are appealing because you can find women with the delicate Asian beauty combined with Latin curves.

[URL]https://twitter.com/yamadaMah[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/angelindakim[/URL]
(A real doll if you can schedule her when she's in SP as opposed to her base Belo Horizonte).

[URL]https://twitter.com/isanakamuragp[/URL]
(fluent english).

[URL]https://twitter.com/SabrinaYamazak1[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2328222]I just had to "school" somebody about this very same thing the other day. Some people are so ignorant about Brazil. It is one of the largest and most diverse nations on the face of the earth! I used to just sit here and shake my head when reading posts from somebody like a PussyLiccker who seemed to hesitate for years about going to Brazil over concerns about whether or not the girls would be "white enough" there LOL! He even asked for mongers to post pictures of what a "typical" Brazilian girl looks like, which I quickly pointed out to be a ridiculous request. You can find whatever you would like in Brazil, and most of it in plentiful supply. Do not hesitate. Fornicate![/QUOTE]I don't want to split hairs here but many Caucasians / whites in Brazil are mixed; they look Caucasian because they have a small mixture of other races such as black, native Indian, etc. , in some cases so small such that from a photo or even in person you cannot observe a distinction. Of the 90 plus million Brazilians who are classified as Caucasians the majority most likely have some measure of admixture. I have had sexual relations with many whites from Brazil and Europe and can confirm that there is a difference, e.g. in the muscle and bone structure, etc. Race is a very complicated issue for even in Europe there are variations. Nevertheless, I would admit that the only people who should be concerned about the difference between sexual relations with Caucasians in Brazil and those in Europe should be Nazis.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2328526]I don't want to split hairs here but many Caucasians / whites in Brazil are mixed; they look Caucasian because they have a small mixture of other races such as black, native Indian, etc. , in some cases so small such that from a photo or even in person you cannot observe a distinction. Of the 90 plus million Brazilians who are classified as Caucasians the majority most likely have some measure of admixture. I have had sexual relations with many whites from Brazil and Europe and can confirm that there is a difference, e.g. in the muscle and bone structure, etc. Race is a very complicated issue for even in Europe there are variations. Nevertheless, I would admit that the only people who should be concerned about the difference between sexual relations with Caucasians in Brazil and those in Europe should be Nazis.[/QUOTE]The Cane went to Europe many times too so you mean he is wrong and has no experience with Europeans in Europe. Many whites are not mixed in Beazil. I can say you don't really know Brazil. Black American are black, many have some mixed features, even whites in the usa have some mixed features like every white in the World, there is no pure nation in the world. Spanish people were colonized by arab people for hundreds of years. Russians were occupied by mongols for hundreds of years. Scandinavian people were envaded by Romans, greeks and some of their European neighbors were envaded by persians and east europeans were envaded by ancient Greece and turco mongols etc. There is no pure race in this world. Many Brazilians look as European as people from Europe. I agree witn you on one thing, many brazilians are mixed (pardos). There are white or darkskinned pardos. You don't know, you don't live in Brazil, Brazil is not only clinicas (tangara etc). I travelled to Asia, I know everything about Asia because I ate some noodle looool. Brazil is a big country, there are many euro type people walking on the streets of Sao Paulo.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardo_Brazilians[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Brazilians[/URL]

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2328543]The Cane went to Europe many times too so you mean he is wrong and has no experience with Europeans in Europe. Many whites are not mixed in Beazil. I can say you don't really know Brazil. Black American are black, many have some mixed features, even whites in the usa have some mixed features like every white in the World, there is no pure nation in the world. Spanish people were colonized by arab people for hundreds of years. Russians were occupied by mongols for hundreds of years. Scandinavian people were envaded by Romans, greeks and some of their European neighbors were envaded by persians and east europeans were envaded by ancient Greece and turco mongols etc. There is no pure race in this world. Many Brazilians look as European as people from Europe. I agree witn you on one thing, many brazilians are mixed (pardos). There are white or darkskinned pardos. You don't know, you don't live in Brazil, Brazil is not only clinicas (tangara etc). I travelled to Asia, I know everything about Asia because I ate some noodle looool. Brazil is a big country, there are many euro type people walking on the streets of Sao Paulo.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardo_Brazilians[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Brazilians[/URL][/QUOTE]Scandinavia was never invaded by the Romans nor the Greeks.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2328232]Somebody was asking about Asian women. Many are appealing because you can find women with the delicate Asian beauty combined with Latin curves.

[URL]https://twitter.com/yamadaMah[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/angelindakim[/URL]
(A real doll if you can schedule her when she's in SP as opposed to her base Belo Horizonte).

[URL]https://twitter.com/isanakamuragp[/URL]
(fluent english).

[URL]https://twitter.com/SabrinaYamazak1[/URL][/QUOTE]Very cool, thank you!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2328526]I have had sexual relations with many whites from Brazil and Europe and can confirm that there is a difference, e.g. in the muscle and bone structure, etc.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

I have been with so many brancas in Brazil myself that I know that some of them, if you didn't know they were from Brazil, they may as well be from some place in Europe or even the United States or Australia or something. Are you saying that whites in the United States have a different "bone and muscle structure" from whites in Europe too LOL? Or is it just the brancas of Brazil? Because they're all immigrants to the "new world" from the same places all over Europe dude!

I remember my very first trip to Brazil, and I enjoyed this branca from Barbarella (yeah, yeah I know). Anyway, I wrote in my field report how she looked just like some blonde chick from Beverly Hills, California! Or, during my last trip how I went with this gorgeous Scandallo tute of German stock who looked every bit as German as a blonde and blue-eyed girl from northern Germany! Absolutely no difference in appearance whatsoever. None! And why would there be? Her family emigrated from Germany to Brazil. Could that act alone have changed their family bone and muscle structure? I don't think so! We have to be careful about making such statements about people. Stuff like that has been a part of the foundation and justification for some terrible things man has perpetrated against fellow man.

Now, I think Sperto is probably right in that maybe there aren't as many brancas in Brazil overall as some posts, including my own, might suggest. My view of it is probably skewed as I've spent all of my time in Rio (yes, plenty of branca GDPs working there as my pics prove) and Sampa (no need for explanation). It's a big country though, and if you went to other parts, you're definitely not going to find as many brancas. That said, if that's what you want, then just go to the right parts of the country. Seek and you shall find! Sometimes in Europe, I get bored with the menu because too many white girls. I want some tans! I want some caramel! And that's one reason why I love Brazil so much. You've got that mix in a place like a Rio, plus negras if you're into that too.

There are tons of attractive brancas in Brazil to have sex with if that's your depraved heart's desire. Haha! And, I assure you that many, many, many of them will share the same "bone and muscle structure" as a hot white girl from Europe. And again, why in the world wouldn't they? Their forefathers came to Brazil from Europe, and there has been no evolution that took place to change their bones and muscles to be distinguishable from those of their ancestors! LOLOLOL! Man!

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2328543]Scandinavian people were envaded by Romans, greeks and some...[/QUOTE]Not that it really matters, but as interested in history it hurts me eyes to read some errors, Scandinavia were never invaded by romans or greeks. The only one I can remember that invaded Scandinvia was Russia and Germany. Cheers. I still get you point.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2328713]Not that it really matters, but as interested in history it hurts me eyes to read some errors, Scandinavia were never invaded by romans or greeks. The only one I can remember that invaded Scandinvia was Russia and Germany. Cheers. I still get you point.[/QUOTE]I did not say scandinavians were invaded by greeks but it's true I said scandinavians were invaded by Romans, I was mistaken about that and you still got my point. Thank you for the correction.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2326538]Mind me asking where you found these top escorts that cost less than a Scandallo hook-up?[/QUOTE]Rovnak, who I believe lives or spends some time in Sao Paulo, wrote some reports of distinction on navigating on-line escorts. Reliably finding a good escort takes some patience and effort. Many guys choose to go the boate / nightclub route or clinicas. They are easier. The advantage of escorts / acompanhantes is that you can get a hot girl who meets your physical specifications who will deliver the exact services you desire. Most girls either do or don't do things like anal, CIM / COF, etc. There is typically no upcharge. It's generally cheaper than Scandallo and some other boates. Some guys don't like or can't hang out late at night drinking.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2218488&viewfull=1[/URL]

Read Rovnak comment #9008 and Steve9696 #9004.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2328755]I did not say scandinavians were invaded by greeks but it's true I said scandinavians were invaded by Romans, I was mistaken about that and you still got my point. Thank you for the correction.[/QUOTE]I know some Romans who invaded some Scandinavians. Is that wrong?

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2328903]I know some Romans who invaded some Scandinavians. Is that wrong?[/QUOTE]It's good to know, I know some Assyrians envading Scandinavia unlike me, they were not born in the New World, are not jewish and don't speak Hebrew and Portuguese but I can speak levantine Arabic with them.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2328903]I know some Romans who invaded some Scandinavians. Is that wrong?[/QUOTE]That's factually incorrect.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2329038]That's factually incorrect.[/QUOTE]It was just sarcasm. Lets move on to another topic and talk about Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2328696]...............Now, I think Sperto is probably right in that maybe there aren't as many brancas in Brazil overall as some posts, including my own, might suggest. My view of it is probably skewed as I've spent all of my time in Rio (yes, plenty of branca GDPs working there as my pics prove) and Sampa (no need for explanation). It's a big country though, and if you went to other parts, you're definitely not going to find as many brancas. ............[/QUOTE]The majority of brancas in Brazil have big bubble butts like those who enter the Miss Bum Bum contest. I dare suggest that if you shake their family tree some black fruit may fall off. Obviously they look 100% Caucasian which is understandable as the admixture is very small. Caucasian European women on the whole have smaller butts and they're much softer. European white women generally have more slender, softer, smoother features than Brazilian brancas. I'm enjoying them at FKKs now as we speak. Next stop - Brazil for rougher sex.

So today Thifany says she has some big problem and cannot see me next month. OK enough already. I totally dig her but the flakiness has pushed me forward. Disappointed? Yes. Relieved in a way? Yes.

So now it's me and the other girls I know (Carolina and Mary. Karina has moved on to married life) and the Boates. I am considering a trifecta — Scandalo, Bomboa, and Casarao in one night. Must do one girl at each venue. Too crazy? Been done? Or can I be the pioneer?

Suggestions on order and plan of attack? I know some times are better than others. Entry fees vary at various hours?

Who wants to help me plan the SP Trifecta?

[QUOTE=Steve 9696;2329228]I am considering a trifecta Scandalo, Bomboa, and Casarao in one night. Must do one girl at each venue. Too crazy? Been done? Or can I be the pioneer?[/QUOTE]
No.
No.
Yes.
Wait for for your reports, you're my hero.
All reports are valuable to all of us.
Cheers.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2329228]Who wants to help me plan the SP Trifecta?[/QUOTE]Casarao 11 pm-12 am, to avoid lines to get your room.
I would like to join you, but I just changed jobs and I’m afraid, next few months I cannot take enough days off to go to Brazil.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2329227]The majority of brancas in Brazil have big bubble butts like those who enter the Miss Bum Bum contest. I dare suggest that if you shake their family tree some black fruit may fall off. Obviously they look 100% Caucasian which is understandable as the admixture is very small. Caucasian European women on the whole have smaller butts and they're much softer. European white women generally have more slender, softer, smoother features than Brazilian brancas. I'm enjoying them at FKKs now as we speak. Next stop - Brazil for rougher sex.[/QUOTE]Yes, many of them do have plump, soft, round, white bubble butts (have pics of those too). This is one reason why I love Brazil so much. But then again, many, many others of them do not. Your sweeping generalizations simply do not hold water when placed alongside the facts.

By the way guys, I buggered most of these Brazilian girls pictured in their smallish, slender, tender, warm, tight and forbidden anal cavities. Taisha had a toned "muscle butt". Damn I love your country MongerForSex! Perhaps I will seek to buy property and retire there one day. We shall see.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2329228]I am considering a trifecta Scandalo, Bomboa, and Casarao in one night. Must do one girl at each venue. Too crazy? Been done? Or can I be the pioneer?

Suggestions on order and plan of attack? I know some times are better than others. Entry fees vary at various hours?

Who wants to help me plan the SP Trifecta?[/QUOTE]Just enjoy yourself. Enjoy the moment.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2329342]Casarao 11 pm-12 am, to avoid lines to get your room.
I would like to join you, but I just changed jobs and Im afraid, next few months I cannot take enough days off to go to Brazil.[/QUOTE]True that. At 4:30 AM on a Saturday night there was a line! Course Carolina and I just walked a block or so to some other love motel.

I will probably stay near Jardins. So maybe Scandallo first and then closer to home with BomBoa and Casarao. I've heard dinner At Scandallo is not bad. Maybe start there. Tho I would love to see it in full swing. I am guessing that is midnight or later?

I never did figure out how to use a prepaid card for premium access, so I guess the full ABG tour isn't going to happen. I am here now and may be my only night to try out the scene. Planning to try Scandallos tonight. My only concern is the language barrier.

Anyone else thinking of going tonight? Otherwise any advice for someone who speaks no Portuguese?

Appreciate any comments! Thanks!

[QUOTE=Xboi100;2329646]I never did figure out how to use a prepaid card for premium access, so I guess the full ABG tour isn't going to happen. I am here now and may be my only night to try out the scene. Planning to try Scandallos tonight. My only concern is the language barrier.

Anyone else thinking of going tonight? Otherwise any advice for someone who speaks no Portuguese?

Appreciate any comments! Thanks![/QUOTE]Sorry if I didn't get in touch with you yesterday but I got your message now.

Scandallo is closed today but I will be at Tangará today and will be glad to help you.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Xboi100;2329646]I never did figure out how to use a prepaid card for premium access, so I guess the full ABG tour isn't going to happen. I am here now and may be my only night to try out the scene. Planning to try Scandallos tonight. My only concern is the language barrier.

Anyone else thinking of going tonight? Otherwise any advice for someone who speaks no Portuguese?

Appreciate any comments! Thanks![/QUOTE]Today my plan is to get laid at Tangará with Mel, a gorgeous samba school dancer mulata. She only works at Tangara on Saturdays and Sundays.

If someone wants to meet me I will be there afternoon.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Xboi100;2329646]Planning to try Scandallos tonight. My only concern is the language barrier.

Anyone else thinking of going tonight? Otherwise any advice for someone who speaks no Portuguese?[/QUOTE]You should get familiar with this thread.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1887-Portuguese-Words-and-Phrases[/URL]

When men go to Brazil or anywhere for that matter, it's a good idea to pick up a book to take on the plane and spend an hour or two getting familiarized with general phrases.

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/s?k=10[/URL]+minutes+a+day+portuguese&ref=nb_sb_noss_2.

Speaking to Brazilian girls who don't speak English is not that hard. Tell them they are beautiful. Learn how to say I like you. And of course how much.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2329408]Yes, many of them do have plump, soft, round, white bubble butts (have pics of those too). This is one reason why I love Brazil so much. But then again, many, many others of them do not. Your sweeping generalizations simply do not hold water when placed alongside the facts.

By the way guys, I buggered most of these Brazilian girls pictured in their smallish, slender, tender, warm, tight and forbidden anal cavities. Taisha had a toned "muscle butt". Damn I love your country MongerForSex! Perhaps I will seek to buy property and retire there one day. We shall see.[/QUOTE]Brazil is the best country when it comes to sex, that's why I have no interest in living in the USA. I stay away from catholicism and feminism. Sao paulo is the best city to monger followed by Rio de Janeiro. You can also monger in other cities. Brazil is a good country to retire. Buying a property is the best way to get permanent visa. How much, it depends on the area.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2330457]Brazil is the best country when it comes to sex, that's why I have no interest in living in the USA. I stay away from catholicism and feminism. [/QUOTE]Yet, Brazil is an overwhelmingly catholic nation. So, how do you manage to avoid all that Catholicism?

First, thanks WyattEarp and ABG for your earlier replies and info. I didn't realize the time lapse for posts so didn't see them in time. I did make it to Scandallos on Saturday night. There isn't much I can add that has not already been said here, but WOW that place is amazing! No problem with the language. I speak Spanish fairly well and it turns out that was enough to communicate.

Took a 8.5 IMO blonde from Curitiba to the onsite hotel. A top 2 or 3 (maybe #1?) experience ever in my book!!

I have one last night tomorrow night near GRU to catch early flight out on Wednesday. Any suggestions around that area?

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2330614]Yet, Brazil is an overwhelmingly catholic nation. So, how do you manage to avoid all that Catholicism?[/QUOTE]Brazil is not a conservative country unlike the USA. Brazil is not sex prison, sex is not taboo in Brazil, Brazilians don't judge people from other religious belief. Most people are catholics but don't really practise their religion. Even if they practise, they are more open.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2330614]Yet, Brazil is an overwhelmingly catholic nation. So, how do you manage to avoid all that Catholicism?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I would say that Catholicism is far more of an issue in Brazil and throughout Latin America than it is in the United States. In the States, it's Protestantism that's the problem LOL!

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2330614]Yet, Brazil is an overwhelmingly catholic nation. So, how do you manage to avoid all that Catholicism?[/QUOTE]I believe there are historical cultural undercurrents. First and foremost, the original Portuguese settlers didn't bring a lot of women from Europe. They mixed it up with the Native women and the African slaves. I don't get that the Portuguese men were in matrimony and altogether monogamous. I'm guessing the Portuguese men also hypersexualized Native and African women. I've also read the indigenous tribes themselves were not culturally monogamous before the arrival of the Europeans.

Catholics have a thing called Salvation.

Yesterday (Monday) early afternoon, went to tour the clinicas en Moema. Started off at Abbobora which I read some people describe as 'having a bunch of 8's-9's'. Around 15 girls there, I'd say they were more 6's and 7's. I'm in Brazil goddamnit, I'm not going to bang no 6's or 7's. Left that place, went to Enjoy Spa which I also heard was on Abbobora's 'level'. I probably got there too early (2 pm) as there were only like 4 girls and none of them caught my eye. Next I went to Miruna's, which was definitely 1 notch below those 2 first ones. Left that place too. Thought I'd finish at Kamna's, only 1 girl at the time and she wasn't my type so that was that. I didn't have a chance to go to Chanes 57 which I've heard good things about but judging by the other places, something tells me there probably wouldn't be anything for me there.

At night I decided to go to Casarao. For those who don't know, Casarao does (free?) churrasco nights on Mondays so you can imagine it gets pretty packed. There was a 10 min line when I got there (11 pm), and when I come to think of it, it's kinda ridiculous. For anyone who knows people in SP and doesn't want to be seen in line. Casarao needs to step their game up and check-in people quicker. We can't just be exposed on the sidewalk like that, pervy mofos. I felt like the check-in dude just had no f's to give and took his sweet old time. Anyway, once in there, lots of girls of course. But again, nothing for me. Stuck around for about 2 hours and I only saw 1 knockout, but someone grabbed her and paid the exit fee for the girl, she probably wasn't coming back that night.

I talked to a fellow working girl monger inside Casarao and he told me to check out a club in SP called Bahamas. Says it's on Scandallo level, if not higher. People in this thread are always talking about Scandallo, and yes, it's amazing. But how come no one talks about Bahamas? Anyone ever been?

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2331020]Yesterday (Monday) early afternoon, went to tour the clinicas en Moema. Started off at Abbobora which I read some people describe as 'having a bunch of 8's-9's'. Around 15 girls there, I'd say they were more 6's and 7's. I'm in Brazil goddamnit, I'm not going to bang no 6's or 7's. Left that place, went to Enjoy Spa which I also heard was on Abbobora's 'level'. I probably got there too early (2 pm) as there were only like 4 girls and none of them caught my eye. Next I went to Miruna's, which was definitely 1 notch below those 2 first ones. Left that place too. Thought I'd finish at Kamna's, only 1 girl at the time and she wasn't my type so that was that. I didn't have a chance to go to Chanes 57 which I've heard good things about but judging by the other places, something tells me there probably wouldn't be anything for me there.[/QUOTE]When it comes to the clinicas, I think there are two groups of mongers. There's the ones who think the clinica girls are every bit as hot as the nightclub girls, but at cut rate prices. And then, there are the ones who think the clinica girls are mostly in the 5 to 6 range with a 7 here or there. I'm in that latter camp, and was mostly disappointed as I expected a lot more based on the things I had read here. I saw a tute so fat at one of the clinicas with supposedly "the best" talent that I couldn't believe she was even working! I mean, I'm a reasonable and logical man. If I could steadily get girls at the clinicas who look like the hottest ones at the nightclubs, but at much lower prices, then surely I would do that. Who wouldn't? I think I'm just going to stick mostly with the boites at night, and throw some new places into the mix that I've learned about, like Connection and Bahamas Club. But even Casarao is on the chopping block for me. Again, we shall see.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2331020]Yesterday (Monday) early afternoon, went to tour the clinicas en Moema. Started off at Abbobora which I read some people describe as 'having a bunch of 8's-9's'. Around 15 girls there, I'd say they were more 6's and 7's. I'm in Brazil goddamnit, I'm not going to bang no 6's or 7's. Left that place, went to Enjoy Spa which I also heard was on Abbobora's 'level'. I probably got there too early (2 pm) as there were only like 4 girls and none of them caught my eye. Next I went to Miruna's, which was definitely 1 notch below those 2 first ones. Left that place too. Thought I'd finish at Kamna's, only 1 girl at the time and she wasn't my type so that was that.[/QUOTE]Damn, I thought was picky with girls, but you are on a whole another level. I went to Abbobora a couple of times as well as all the other Moema clinicas. I thought the talent level on average at Abbobora was definitely a notch above the rest. I don't agree with them 'having a buch of 8-9's', I'd say mostly 6-7's, with some 8's. IMO, Brasileiras are more known for their PSE and GFE than their beauty. I'd rather fuck a 7 who is passionate in bed than a 8/9 who is mechanical and disinterested.

2 pm is too late. That the time when the Brasileiras working in that area have their break times. So they go and pick up all the good ones. If you want to see the entire line up, you have to go early and beat these guys to the girls.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2331124]When it comes to the clinicas, I think there are two groups of mongers. There's the ones who think the clinica girls are every bit as hot as the nightclub girls, but at cut rate prices. And then, there are the ones who think the clinica girls are mostly in the 5 to 6 range with a 7 here or there. I'm in that latter camp, [/QUOTE]I am in the third category LOL.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2331354]I am in the third category LOL.[/QUOTE]I knew somebody would say there is a third category. Please describe. Maybe I'm in it too but don't know it LOL!

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2331168]Damn, I thought was picky with girls, but you are on a whole another level. I went to Abbobora a couple of times as well as all the other Moema clinicas. I thought the talent level on average at Abbobora was definitely a notch above the rest. I don't agree with them 'having a buch of 8-9's', I'd say mostly 6-7's, with some 8's. IMO, Brasileiras are more known for their PSE and GFE than their beauty. I'd rather fuck a 7 who is passionate in bed than a 8/9 who is mechanical and disinterested.

2 pm is too late. That the time when the Brasileiras working in that area have their break times. So they go and pick up all the good ones. If you want to see the entire line up, you have to go early and beat these guys to the girls.[/QUOTE]I'm definitely a picky mofo. I'm heading to Scandallo tonight, if anyone wants to join, I'll be in the restaurant as of 7 pm (got to get that discount entry fee before 7 pm!

I'm also planning on checking out Connection, Bomboa, Cafe Photo and Bahamas in the next few days. I come to Brazil to bang supermodels. What's the point of living average.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2331370]I knew somebody would say there is a third category. Please describe. Maybe I'm in it too but don't know it LOL![/QUOTE]I like clubs when I want to choose a girl I really like physically, where I can drink peacefully, talk to the girl without working hard to hunt because I am too tired, I like clinicas when I just want to fuck fast because I have no time, I like regular clubs when I want to hunt even if the girl is not the best looking in the boate.

1) best looking girl without working hard 2) fast sex like fast food 3) games. Restaurants are better but sometimes I like eating fastfood. Hamburger with fries are also good. Sometimes I like to cook by myself even if the taste is not better than restaurant. I am a medical professional not a cook.

I am planning 6 night visit Sao Paulo during Labor day weekend. This is my first trip to Brazil so I am bit nervous about logistics and security in general. I am trying to branch out of North America and European scene and Sao Paulo seems like a good option based on the reports I have read on this forum. Thanks for some detailed reports by KPete and other members which are helping me make a decent itinerary. I plan to stay in one of the Mercure hotels in Moema (most probably Mercure SP Times Square), visit popular boates like Scandallo, Casarao, Bomboa and may be couple of clinicas just to check them out. For local transportation, I have never used Uber so I need to figure out how to have that setup for use in Brazil. I have read reports about difficulties in getting Uber to work in Brazil.

I am going to do 2 night side trip to Iguazu to see falls from both Brazilian and Argentinean side. Based on recent Questner's report I am thrilled to learn Foz do Iguacu has options for fun.

LATAM airlines fares from Sao Paulo to Foz do Iguacu shown on their US site are double to what they sell them on their Brazilian site. Unfortunately LATAM's Brazil site doesn't allow Americans to buy tickets. Is there anyway to avoid paying double?

Like some of you I don't speak Spanish or Portuguese. I am hoping it is not going to be too much of a limitation communicating with girls. Anyone of you visiting Sao Paulo during Labor day? It would be nice to meetup.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2333670]I am planning 6 night visit Sao Paulo during Labor day weekend. This is my first trip to Brazil so I am bit nervous about logistics and security in general. For local transportation, I have never used Uber so I need to figure out how to have that setup for use in Brazil. I have read reports about difficulties in getting Uber to work in Brazil. Like some of you I don't speak Spanish or Portuguese. I am hoping it is not going to be too much of a limitation communicating with girls. [/QUOTE]IMHO: download the Uber app before you arrive. Moema is probably one of the top five safest neighbourhoods in South America. This is Bianca from Casaro, she speaks no English. Personally, I avoid GdPs who speak English.

I am in Brazil and want to fuck prostitutes without condoms (I am on Truvada / PrEP so I'm protected from HIV, and I couldn't care less about other STDs). In fact, I cannot use condoms. So if I have the options between sex with condoms or staying at home looking at the celiing fan, I would choose the latter every time.

Let me tell you, unlike other countries, it seems that finding a prostitute who agrees to have condomless sex in Brazil is almost impossible. Guys who want BBFS should skip Brazil. But I am stuck here for a while, unfortunately.

I am talking only about prostitutes. Non-pro girls will happily have condomless sex, 99% of them will.

Most of the hookers here, when asked if they do penetration without condoms, get really offended and aggressive, like if you just insulted their mother, LOL. There's no negotiation with the majority of them. It doesn't matter if you offer to pay more, or talk about testing, etc. Most of them also have never heard of Truvada / PrEP, which could allow them to offer bareback to their clients and keep themselves safe from HIV, which is their main worry. And it's available for free in Brazil.

But the demand for bareback sex with hookers, from the point of view of men, is enormous. A lot of men want it. Hookers (and clubs) who do it will surely make a LOT of money and get many clients.

There's a forum in Portuguese language called GPGuia, it's the main (and only, AKAIK) forum about prostitution in Brazil, and discussions of hookers who do bareback are forbidden there.

Do anyone know a termas, club, or where I can find hookers which have condomless sex in São Paulo?

[QUOTE=Pqtcps;2334947]I am in Brazil and want to fuck prostitutes without condoms (I am on Truvada / PrEP so I'm protected from HIV, and I couldn't care less about other STDs). In fact, I cannot use condoms. So if I have the options between sex with condoms or staying at home looking at the celiing fan, I would choose the latter every time.

Let me tell you, unlike other countries, it seems that finding a prostitute who agrees to have condomless sex in Brazil is almost impossible. Guys who want BBFS should skip Brazil. But I am stuck here for a while, unfortunately.

I am talking only about prostitutes. Non-pro girls will happily have condomless sex, 99% of them will.

Most of the hookers here, when asked if they do penetration without condoms, get really offended and aggressive, like if you just insulted their mother, LOL. There's no negotiation with the majority of them. It doesn't matter if you offer to pay more, or talk about testing, etc. Most of them also have never heard of Truvada / PrEP, which could allow them to offer bareback to their clients and keep themselves safe from HIV, which is their main worry. And it's available for free in Brazil.

But the demand for bareback sex with hookers, from the point of view of men, is enormous. A lot of men want it. Hookers (and clubs) who do it will surely make a LOT of money and get many clients.

There's a forum in Portuguese language called GPGuia, it's the main (and only, AKAIK) forum about prostitution in Brazil, and discussions of hookers who do bareback are forbidden there.

Do anyone know a termas, club, or where I can find hookers which have condomless sex in So Paulo?[/QUOTE]I am against truvada use. Truvada increases the risk of other STDs. Because it affects your immune response to many bacterial diseases and make you believe you are safe from sex. Truvada was used for people with HIV. Even if you don't use truvada, you won't catch hiv from girls unless you are a drug user or a man that identifies himself as a straight man but have sex with other men. Better to use condoms. STDs are not life threatening but can cause some damage, you may have some scars on your penis. In Brazil there are many STDs that don't exist or are rare in western world. If you get a woman pregnant in Brazil you are fucked. It's possible to have sex with women from high end clubs without condom if you pay well and act well if the girl knows you well but for the fisrt time it will be hard. I don't advise you to have sex without condom in trash clubs because women are not tested and fuck many guys a day. Many sensible girls don't trust guys even if they are on truvada, how they know you take truvada regularly, word means nothing. I am against truvada use. Truvada is the worst thing a healthy person can take. Truvada is only recommended for MSM. There is a 10 year study in SF with serodiscordant couples. The biggest study about straight serodiscordant couples. No one was hiv positive 10 years later, HIV is not a big concern for drugfree straight men, 82 per cent of people living with HIV in Brazil are MSM (GAYS, Bisexuals, Transexuals) 18 percent of other people (junkies, people born from infected women, people that recieved blood transfusion over 30 years ago and straight women. ). That's why condoms are important for vaginal and anal sex to protect your penis from many infections that may cause scars, pain, ugly ulcers on the penis or/and even amputation. Being a dickless man or having so many permanent scrars on the penis is not cool. Gonorrhea is so painful when it's symptomatic you will never forget that experience. Having an unwanted kid in Brazil will ruin your life. But it's better to have unprotected sex with women from terma or high end clubs. But you need to know those women before having sex condomless unless they are junkies and don't give a fuck about their health. In Rio de Janeiro women from termas are careful about their health and they get tested every month especially women from Cancun, Monte Carlo, Solarium. Women from 4 x4 get tested in Cancun because there is a gynecologist in Cancun, he checks many terma women even the ones from 4 x4. There is no terma in Sao Paulo. There are only clubs. Scandallo is one of the most known club. Many good looking women but very expensive. If you are into termas, it's better to go to Rio de Janeiro but If you are into clubs, nightlife activities, more different women racially then Sao Paulo is the best.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2335310]............. If you get a woman pregnant in Brazil you are fucked. ................ Having an unwanted kid in Brazil will ruin your life................[/QUOTE]How so? Do you think a guy who is cavalier about his own health by not using a condom will give 2 shits about his kid in Brazil? He'll just go back to his own country.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2333670]I am planning 6 night visit Sao Paulo during Labor day weekend. This is my first trip to Brazil so I am bit nervous about logistics and security in general. I am trying to branch out of North America and European scene and Sao Paulo seems like a good option based on the reports I have read on this forum. Thanks for some detailed reports by KPete and other members which are helping me make a decent itinerary. I plan to stay in one of the Mercure hotels in Moema (most probably Mercure SP Times Square), visit popular boates like Scandallo, Casarao, Bomboa and may be couple of clinicas just to check them out. For local transportation, I have never used Uber so I need to figure out how to have that setup for use in Brazil. I have read reports about difficulties in getting Uber to work in Brazil.

I am going to do 2 night side trip to Iguazu to see falls from both Brazilian and Argentinean side. Based on recent Questner's report I am thrilled to learn Foz do Iguacu has options for fun.

LATAM airlines fares from Sao Paulo to Foz do Iguacu shown on their US site are double to what they sell them on their Brazilian site. Unfortunately LATAM's Brazil site doesn't allow Americans to buy tickets. Is there anyway to avoid paying double?

Like some of you I don't speak Spanish or Portuguese. I am hoping it is not going to be too much of a limitation communicating with girls. Anyone of you visiting Sao Paulo during Labor day? It would be nice to meetup.[/QUOTE]PM me if you need more information.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2335588]How so? Do you think a guy who is cavalier about his own health by not using a condom will give 2 shits about his kid in Brazil? He'll just go back to his own country.[/QUOTE]So many people think they are safe when they use truvada. That medication is very toxic and affects kidney, liver, skin and immune response to many virulent infections and cause inflamatory in the body, it also affects the brain. I recieved a few patients that are gay men with secondary syphilis rash along with ocular syphilis (posterior uveitis). They all used prep and thought they are safe from sex. STDs can cause damage especially when you use some medication that affects your immune response and practice unprotected sex because you feel safe. He has the right to fuck up his body we are in a free country. Syphilis are increasing in Brazil since post-exposure prophylaxis was used. There are over 100 000 cases of syphilis in Brazil per year mainly because of Prep and chemsex. Immunocompetent straight men don't catch hiv from women but they can catch many nasty stds that's why condoms must be used for vaginal sex and anal sex if you still have something to lose. E coli is not considered to be a STI but you can catch it from unprotected anal sex like many other infections that are not considered to be STI. STI means a disease that is mainly transmitted from sex. We don't need unwanted babies in Brazil. There are too many kids on the street. Sensible women caring for their health won't want to have unprotected sex with a man they don't know well and met for the first time even if he is on truvada because there are other STDs.

Something that surprised me when I spent time in Brazil is how seriously people took AIDS. Not just for sex, I remember getting some injections and the nurse did a real army drill always showing that the needle was new and how it was disposed after being used.

The fact that the first victims of AIDS where white gay rich kids helped a lot I think to raise awareness (thinking of Renato Russo among others).

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2335732]So many people think they are safe when they .... There are too many kids on the street. Sensible women caring for their health won't want to have unprotected sex with a man they don't know well and met for the first time even if he is on truvada because there are other STDs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2335732]That medication is very toxic and affects kidney, liver, skin and immune response to many virulent infections and cause inflamatory in the body, it also affects the brain.[/QUOTE]Dude,

I understand if you don't like Truvada because of the other STDs, as I said before, I don't care about them. We're all adults and we take the risks we are willing to take. I don't smoke, nor drink, nor eat bacon. All those 3 activities are dangerous from a health point of view, but some people choose that the risk is acceptable to them.

But, don't go around spreading about Truvada "affecting the brain" - do you have a source for that? I closely follow research about PrEP and Truvada since 2012, have friends involved in government PrEP programs and have never heard about that in the myriad of papers and studies on PrEP and Truvada. In a very small percentage of those who take it, it may tax the kidney and liver. In a very small percentage of people who take it. And that's why users of Truvada are continuously monitored. Also, regarding "skin reactions" - another very small percentage develop rash and itch and usually go away on its own in a few days or few weeks. Most of people (including myself) who take Truvada haven't experienced any side effects, and have normal results for liver and kidney markers on blood panels.

There are many people who already have sex without a condom, and repeating the mantra "use a condom" to them like a mommy won't make them use condoms. If that worked, the HIV epidemic would have ended decades ago. Instead, by spreading misinformation about PrEP and Truvada, those people whom PrEP would be a great way to protect them from HIV, these people can get scared because they start thinking Truvada will heavily damage their bodies (but it won't), and they will stay vulnerable to catching HIV because they are not taking Truvada because of scaremongering by people like you. We have a great tool to protect people from HIV and we as a society should be celebrating that, we have a tool that finally could allow the HIV epidemic to end, because people have been, and will be, having sex without condoms. But according to people like you, no, let's bury that and scare people away from it because it will turn them away from the holy condom. Think about how many new infections Truvada can stop. Think about how many lifes it saves.

Academics and people in the health sector are scratching their heads wondering why such a revolutionary tool is having a ridiculously low adoption, even though condom use is plummeting. It's because of this whole "but but but other STDs, no condoms, the world will end! People like you made the holy condom an end in itself, and not a tool for protected sex. I bet you 95% of men use condoms mainly because of HIV, before HIV, some decades ago, no one used condoms. If you use condoms because you're afraid of catching syphilis or gonorrhea, fine, it's your right to do it if you're not willing to take the risk. Do whatever makes you happy. But you're doing a great disservice to men who won't use condoms (regardless of your mommy talk) AND won't take Truvada because of your scaremongering. By the same logic of yours, women shouldn't take contraceptives because they should use a condom instead. By the way, do you use condoms (or dental dams) for oral sex? Probably not, right? And you know that it also carries the risk of STD transmission right? So, double standards.

Criticize all you want about Truvada, PrEP, how barebacking is wrong, how condoms are the only way, how irresponsible anyone who doesn't use a condom is. But don't just spill untrue "facts" or lies about Truvada, it's even worse when you do that without quoting a serious source. You're doing a great disservice to people whom Truvada would be very useful and save them from HIV. You're helping no one with PrEP shaming.

I will leave this link here if someone wants to read deep, insightful and accurate information on PrEP and Truvada: [URL]https://prepfacts.org/[/URL].

I won't reply further about this topic because my post is not about Truvada and I don't want to turn this discussion off-topic, this is not a Truvada thread. People who want more info on that can use Google.

And about having kids, I have a vasectomy, and ladies who work in the sex trade are probably taking contraceptives.

[QUOTE=Cons68;2335743]..............The fact that the first victims of AIDS where white gay rich kids helped a lot I think to raise awareness (thinking of Renato Russo among others).[/QUOTE]AIDS was first detected in early 1968 when a black 15 year-old teenager from St. Louis, Missouri named Robert Rayford became infected. He died in May, 1969.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2335732]So many people think they are safe when they use truvada. That medication is very toxic and affects kidney, liver, skin and immune response to many virulent infections and cause inflamatory in the body, it also affects the brain. I recieved a few patients that are gay men with secondary syphilis rash along with ocular syphilis (posterior uveitis). They all used prep and thought they are safe from sex. STDs can cause damage especially when you use some medication that affects your immune response and practice unprotected sex because you feel safe. He has the right to fuck up his body we are in a free country. Syphilis are increasing in Brazil since post-exposure prophylaxis was used. There are over 100 000 cases of syphilis in Brazil per year mainly because of Prep and chemsex. Immunocompetent straight men don't catch hiv from women but they can catch many nasty stds that's why condoms must be used for vaginal sex and anal sex if you still have something to lose. E coli is not considered to be a STI but you can catch it from unprotected anal sex like many other infections that are not considered to be STI. STI means a disease that is mainly transmitted from sex. We don't need unwanted babies in Brazil. There are too many kids on the street. Sensible women caring for their health won't want to have unprotected sex with a man they don't know well and met for the first time even if he is on truvada because there are other STDs.[/QUOTE]Hey Doc, what about DATY?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2335982]AIDS was first detected in early 1968 when a black 15 year-old teenager from St. Louis, Missouri named Robert Rayford became infected. He died in May, 1969.[/QUOTE]As I was describing the attitudes in Brazil while in the Sao Paulo thread, I was talking about first victims in Brazil. Something that may be obvious to some people but clearly not to all. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

So for those who do not connect the dots quickly, initial victims in Brazil were close to the ruling class, and in some cases they were extremely popular. Brazil quickly adopted AIDS prevention policies and enforced them through education campaigns. This is why unprotected sex is not so usual in Brazil. Even my own girlfriend look surprised when I went bareback anal. And no she was not a working girl, currently working at the Boston Consulting Group.

Kind of different from other places where initial victims were coming from not so well connected groups and that took longer to develop those policies.

Correlation? Causality?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2335983]Hey Doc, what about DATY?[/QUOTE]Biker helmet. Lool

[QUOTE=Cons68;2335998]As I was describing the attitudes in Brazil while in the Sao Paulo thread, I was talking about first victims in Brazil. Something that may be obvious to some people but clearly not to all. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

So for those who do not connect the dots quickly, initial victims in Brazil were close to the ruling class, and in some cases they were extremely popular. Brazil quickly adopted AIDS prevention policies and enforced them through education campaigns. This is why unprotected sex is not so usual in Brazil. Even my own girlfriend look surprised when I went bareback anal. And no she was not a working girl, currently working at the Boston Consulting Group.

Kind of different from other places where initial victims were coming from not so well connected groups and that took longer to develop those policies.

Correlation? Causality?[/QUOTE]AIDS is not a real problem in Brazil. The prevalence of HIV in Brazil is the same as in the USA. When HIV started. Scientist thought HIV in Brazil will be an epidemic like in South Africa, and will be also an epidemic in straight population outside African, they all get wrong. 75% of scientific researches are incorrect. I never trusted hypothesis and studies because most patients lie about their life. There are many prooves HIV has never been a concern for many people.

To Pqtcps

Truvada is not good and was used for hiv positive people, it's very toxic for healthy people, It's no use talking to me about Truvada. I studied general medicine, dermatovenerology and infectious diseases for over 10 years. Truvada is useless for straight people. Straight men can't catch HIV from women, there was a 10 year study in San Francisco, nobody was hiv negative. Truvada is very bad for healthy people. I am not the one to give misinformation. My information is based on experience. You are free to take truvada. Straight men don't need truvada. There is no hiv epidemic in straight people in Brazil. Truvada was first used for gay people. If there was only HIV, I would fuck prostitutes without using condoms and I wouldn't need to use truvada for unprotected sex. (vaginal and oral).

[URL]https://www.thebodypro.com/article/weighing-risks-of-tdfftc-prep-side-effects-in-peop[/URL]

[URL]https://www.rxlist.com/truvada-side-effects-drug-center.htm[/URL]#overview.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcAHd8XAHxA[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDiE1hhtZKk[/URL]

[URL]https://www.poz.com/article/hiv-medications-possibly-including-prep-may-raise-susceptibility-syphilis[/URL]

We only hear gays when it comes to Prep. I don't know if you are trolling. It looks like an advertisement. Straight men don't need to use prep. Straight men can't catch hiv from women. Most straight men that caught hiv are junkies or MSM, many MSM consider themeselves as straight men but still have sex with other men. To me, they are bisexuals not straight. Some unlucky straight men contracted hiv from transfusion or were born from infected women. But I still advise people to use condoms for the well being of your male organs. STD don't kill but can cause problems that are not good to live. If you want to fuck without condom, you are free. But saying truvada will protects you or saying other STDs don't cause serious problems is misinformation.

End of discussion.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2336090]To Pqtcps

Truvada is useless for straight people. Straight men can't catch HIV from women, there was a 10 year study in San Francisco, nobody was hiv negative.

.[/QUOTE]Correction: Nobody was HIV positive.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2336036]AIDS is not a real problem in Brazil. The prevalence of HIV in Brazil is the same as in the USA. When HIV started. Scientist thought HIV in Brazil will be an epidemic like in South Africa, and will be also an epidemic in straight population outside African, they all get wrong. 75% of scientific researches are incorrect. I never trusted hypothesis and studies because most patients lie about their life. There are many prooves HIV has never been a concern for many people.[/QUOTE]Assuming this is correct, how would you explain the pandemic of HIV in Africa prior to these drugs. Africa is not known for its homosexual prevalence, in fact one could argue they are a very homophobic society.

There is a lot of heterosexual transmission of HIV there by all accounts. Are you saying all of that is bisexual men spreading it like wildfire all over the continent? Seems hard to believe.

FWIW, I have never heard of Truvada use in a preventative way except in homosexual men. If there is as much barebacking as apparently goes on, then these putas should be on it?

I would like to add to the AIDS conversation. Absolutely nothing. You guys are seriously harshing my mellow. I am coming in a few weeks and want to get all warmed up. Please post some awesome reports.

On my to do list when I get there:

Scandallo, Bom Boa, Casarao, Carolina and Mary (girls not clubs). Should I try Connections or Bahamas or some of these second tier venues? I do want to try a high-end Clinica — I think Enjoy or Moema Prime might be considered best her — thoughts welcome.

Thanks!

P.S. It looks like Thifanys engagement really is swept her off her feet so we won't be meeting. I wish her the best tho. What a magic slice of life she was.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2336159]I would like to add to the AIDS conversation. Absolutely nothing. You guys are seriously harshing my mellow. I am coming in a few weeks and want to get all warmed up. Please post some awesome reports.

[/QUOTE]Agree, let's have sex with some bitches and write awesome reports about Sao Paulo.

Enjoy your trip in Sao Paolo.

That's why I ignore the post of GeneHickman because I don't want to harsh your mellow.

Sorry for messing up Sao Paulo thread.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2336146]Assuming this is correct, how would you explain the pandemic of HIV in Africa prior to these drugs. Africa is not known for its homosexual prevalence, in fact one could argue they are a very homophobic society.[/QUOTE]This is the least scientific thing I'm probably going to read all year. It's like saying we didn't have as many homosexuals in the USA seventy years ago. Homosexuality is likely shunned and persecuted in most of Africa. This means it's just driven underground.

Without going into graphic details, the problem in Africa has to do with both health practices and sexual practices. It's not simply about who sleeps with who.

[QUOTE=Cons68;2335998]............initial victims in Brazil were close to the ruling class, and in some cases they were extremely popular..............[/QUOTE]Wrong again. Initial AIDS sufferers in Brazil were gay men some of whom were rich gay white men. These rich gay white men received much publicity in the media which perhaps gave you the impression that "the initial victims in Brazil were close to the ruling class". The Most famous Brazilian AIDS victim was rock star Cazuza who died in Rio de Janeiro on July 7, 1990 at the age of 32, it received widespread publicity. AIDS first appeared in Brazil circa 1982.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2336848]Wrong again. Initial AIDS sufferers in Brazil were gay men some of whom were rich gay white men. These rich gay white men received much publicity in the media which perhaps gave you the impression that "the initial victims in Brazil were close to the ruling class". The Most famous Brazilian AIDS victim was rock star Cazuza who died in Rio de Janeiro on July 7, 1990 at the age of 32, it received widespread publicity. AIDS first appeared in Brazil circa 1982.[/QUOTE]I think it is pointless to argue with you.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2331020]At night I decided to go to Casarao. For those who don't know, Casarao does (free?) churrasco nights on Mondays so you can imagine it gets pretty packed. There was a 10 min line when I got there (11 pm), and when I come to think of it, it's kinda ridiculous. For anyone who knows people in SP and doesn't want to be seen in line. Casarao needs to step their game up and check-in people quicker. We can't just be exposed on the sidewalk like that, pervy mofos. I felt like the check-in dude just had no f's to give and took his sweet old time. Anyway, once in there, lots of girls of course. But again, nothing for me. Stuck around for about 2 hours and I only saw 1 knockout, but someone grabbed her and paid the exit fee for the girl, she probably wasn't coming back that night.[/QUOTE]LMBAO. Casarao has totally revamped their entry process. There's no waiting at all now. You pick up your commanda, go straight in, pay on the way out. They took your advice!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2336159]I would like to add to the AIDS conversation. Absolutely nothing. You guys are seriously harshing my mellow. I am coming in a few weeks and want to get all warmed up. Please post some awesome reports.

On my to do list when I get there:

Scandallo, Bom Boa, Casarao, Carolina and Mary (girls not clubs). Should I try Connections or Bahamas or some of these second tier venues? I do want to try a high-end Clinica I think Enjoy or Moema Prime might be considered best her thoughts welcome.

Thanks!

P.S. It looks like Thifanys engagement really is swept her off her feet so we won't be meeting. I wish her the best tho. What a magic slice of life she was.[/QUOTE]Least week I went with my customer to this clinica, located on Av. Moaci.

Small but very clean and cozy atmosphere, 04 girls but all European style blondes and brunettes.

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] was my choice, a nice 19 yo blonde, GFE, DFK and BBBJ.

PM me for more details.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2337024]LMBAO. Casarao has totally revamped their entry process. There's no waiting at all now. You pick up your commanda, go straight in, pay on the way out. They took your advice![/QUOTE]Hello!

I am going to be visiting So Paulo next week and I am interested in visiting some massagems / Privies. Hungrystud101 mentioned Brooklin and I would like to visit the massagems that have the best girls and services. I want to get in touch with ABG but you are in the process of signing up for subscription and the cash only process right by mail is super slow and I know will not arrive in time. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Hey Marcus.

Welcome to the forum. As I said before, Sampa is an incredible, incredible, incredible resource for pussy. I feel like I have barely scratched the surface here. The British explorers called Africa the Dark Continent because so much was unexplored and the jungle was so dense and wrought with danger it wasn't easy to explore without help. I feel this way about Brazil. There is so much there but it is not a place to go in blind. 1.) Read the forum. 2.) start learning words and phrases now. 3.) Find out how to sign up for PMs on ISG and 4.) seek out the help by an experienced gia tourista like ABG and have fun. 5.) write detailed reviews and seek out friends like Rovnak and other experienced explorers.

When I first went to Brooklin, my amigo Gus who lives in the state of Sao Paulo thought that the price for a massage was just the price for the room rental. He couldn't believe when the madam said "Meninas apresentacao" and the parade of girls came out and I took two to a room and that I didn't have to pay anything extra. During the car ride back to his town he said over and over "It takes a gringo" followed by this beautiful phrase "que conhece voce nao acredito. " I am a putario (eh, what's that phrase again for one who loves putarias?).

There's gold in them hills Marcus. Go with ABG. He knows these woods. His knowledge is current.

[QUOTE=MarcusDemon;2337833]Hello!

I am going to be visiting So Paulo next week and I am interested in visiting some massagems / Privies. Hungrystud101 mentioned Brooklin and I would like to visit the massagems that have the best girls and services. I want to get in touch with ABG but you are in the process of signing up for subscription and the cash only process right by mail is super slow and I know will not arrive in time. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2338117]Hey Marcus.

Welcome to the forum. As I said before, Sampa is an incredible, incredible, incredible resource for pussy. I feel like I have barely scratched the surface here. The British explorers called Africa the Dark Continent because so much was unexplored and the jungle was so dense and wrought with danger it wasn't easy to explore without help. I feel this way about Brazil. There is so much there but it is not a place to go in blind. 1.) Read the forum. 2.) start learning words and phrases now. 3.) Find out how to sign up for PMs on ISG and 4.) seek out the help by an experienced gia tourista like ABG and have fun. 5.) write detailed reviews and seek out friends like Rovnak and other experienced explorers.

When I first went to Brooklin, my amigo Gus who lives in the state of Sao Paulo thought that the price for a massage was just the price for the room rental..[/QUOTE]Marcus, it's been a great pleasure to talk with you. See you soon.

ABG.

So I am still considering the Scandallo Bomboa Casarao trifecta. Last time I was at Scandallo was a Saturday so not prime time. I am arriving a Thursday this time and think I will plan around seeing Scandallo in full swing. I am guessing that is 12 or 1 am on a Thursday? Do tell! What is the time you think it will be most packed with girls?

P.S. How is the food at Bomboa?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2338679]So I am still considering the Scandallo Bomboa Casarao trifecta. Last time I was at Scandallo was a Saturday so not prime time. I am arriving a Thursday this time and think I will plan around seeing Scandallo in full swing. I am guessing that is 12 or 1 am on a Thursday? Do tell! What is the time you think it will be most packed with girls?

P.S. How is the food at Bomboa?[/QUOTE]And then on Friday PM I suppose I will try Abobora. Will the selection be good at 3 PM? (If not please recommend).

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2338679]P.S. How is the food at Bomboa?[/QUOTE]The Asian & sushi menu is excellent! The garotas love the dessert menu (but then I guess that's the case with all women).

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2338710]And then on Friday PM I suppose I will try Abobora. Will the selection be good at 3 PM? (If not please recommend).[/QUOTE]Might as well do the Moema rectangle at 3 p on a Friday. Prime, Miruna, Abbobora, then Enjoy. Abbobora's lineup didn't change much at all when I was in SP for over a month. Seemed like a third of the lineup was women in their early 30's. The lineup was better on Saturdays because of free lancers.

[QUOTE=AznSafado;2338762]Might as well do the Moema rectangle at 3 p on a Friday. Prime, Miruna, Abbobora, then Enjoy. Abbobora's lineup didn't change much at all when I was in SP for over a month. Seemed like a third of the lineup was women in their early 30's. The lineup was better on Saturdays because of freelancers.[/QUOTE]Kamna had some very young garotas least time I went there.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2338679]
P.S. How is the food at Bomboa?[/QUOTE]I had a steak and a bottle of Malbec at Bomboa and it was perfectly fine tho not exceptional. I expect that the relative cost / value of the food at Bomboa compared to Scandallo is similar to that of the garotas at both places, that is Bomboa is both a little cheaper and a little lower in quality but still good enough. I'd kinda hoped I might be in Sampa in July but looks like my return trip has been delayed unti later in the year. Have fun and we await your reports.

Hb.

[QUOTE=AznSafado;2338762]Might as well do the Moema rectangle at 3 p on a Friday. Prime, Miruna, Abbobora, then Enjoy. Abbobora's lineup didn't change much at all when I was in SP for over a month. Seemed like a third of the lineup was women in their early 30's. The lineup was better on Saturdays because of free lancers.[/QUOTE]Great tip on the freelancers. Will definitely make sure to go Saturday.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2338930]I expect that the relative cost / value of the food at Bomboa compared to Scandallo is similar to that of the garotas at both places, that is Bomboa is both a little cheaper and a little lower in quality but still good enough..[/QUOTE]Scandallo minus the pretentiousness minus the price inflation minus the de jure standoffishness of Cafe Photo minus the garotas at Casarao walking around in gaudy outfits with their ass cheeks hanging out minus the excess of Helpee = Bomboa.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2339041]Scandallo minus the pretentiousness minus the price inflation minus the de jure standoffishness of Cafe Photo minus the garotas at Casarao walking around in gaudy outfits with their ass cheeks hanging out minus the excess of Helpee = Bomboa.[/QUOTE]Hey, I liked Helpee! What exactly was the excess?

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2339126]Hey, I liked Helpee! What exactly was the excess?[/QUOTE]Excess in terms of as soon as you walked out the door w / your choice, you would always see someone more desirable. In the back of mind I always thought I'the made a hasty choice! Excess in terms of too many choices!

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2339133]Excess in terms of as soon as you walked out the door w / your choice, you would always see someone more desirable. In the back of mind I always thought I'the made a hasty choice! Excess in terms of too many choices![/QUOTE]Haha! I was pretty good at making a connection with the girl I chose most of the time. I also probably was putting on blinders and focusing on my girl. If you saw a hot girl at Help, you knew she was probably going to be there all week.

The first thirty minutes after walking in were the craziest. You were checking all the girls out and seeing what was available. What a dopamine rush! I still experience that rush at the SP boates.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2339345]Haha! I was pretty good at making a connection with the girl I chose most of the time. I also probably was putting on blinders and focusing on my girl. If you saw a hot girl at Help, you knew she was probably going to be there all week.

The first thirty minutes after walking in were the craziest. You were checking all the girls out and seeing what was available. What a dopamine rush! I still experience that rush at the SP boates.[/QUOTE]So I gather help / helpee no longer exists or is not in São Paulo? Never see it discussed.

Turns out my hotel is 300 m from Bomboa. Does the "never walk alone at night" advice apply here? Seems a very short stretch? Nice enough neighborhood? Advice please? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2339355]Turns out my hotel is 300 m from Bomboa. Does the "never walk alone at night" advice apply here? Seems a very short stretch? Nice enough neighborhood? Advice please? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Please let me know how the hotel is. I made a reservation in the same hotel for 4 nights. What comes to walking alone to your hotel, I think you need an escort with stilettos. That's my plan at least.

I read more than 100 of your pages about SP and I thank you guys.

Soon there for 10 days. Traveling on business, I will not have much time and I do not speak Portuguese at all.

Here is my strategy:

1) Book in a Mercure hotel (they all seem girl friendly).

2) send messages to escorts with WhatsApp to invite them to my hotel for 1 h or 1 h30.

What is your experience with the response rate on WhatsApp? (using an automatic translator if necessary).

What do you think of my strategy?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2339355]So I gather help / helpee no longer exists or is not in So Paulo? Never see it discussed.

Turns out my hotel is 300 m from Bomboa. Does the "never walk alone at night" advice apply here? Seems a very short stretch? Nice enough neighborhood? Advice please? Thanks.[/QUOTE]IMHO: For the most part Sao Paulo is extremely safe, in your case you're talking about Pinheiros, which is relatively upscale by Brasil standards. I've walked the 30 minutes to Casarao from my flat in Bela Vista at 01:00 AM with no problems on several occasions. The only crime problem I've ever had in Sao Paulo was when I lived in the Rio Pequeno section the neighbourhood kids would steal my t-shirts off my clothesline after I left for work.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2339355]So I gather help / helpee no longer exists or is not in So Paulo? Never see it discussed.[/QUOTE]Help Discotheque / Helpee has been closed since 2010 was a famous club in Rio. There was no equivalent to this establishment.

I is talked about extensively by older mongers in Rio de Janeiro Reports section.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2339383]Please let me know how the hotel is. I made a reservation in the same hotel for 4 nights. What comes to walking alone to your hotel, I think you need an escort with stilettos. That's my plan at least.[/QUOTE]My friend, you don't have anything to worry, the security of Bamboa will escort you to your hotel door for a small tip.

Any other advice PM me.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Khondjii;2339384]I read more than 100 of your pages about SP and I thank you guys.

Soon there for 10 days. Traveling on business, I will not have much time and I do not speak Portuguese at all.

Here is my strategy:

1) Book in a Mercure hotel (they all seem girl friendly).

2) send messages to escorts with WhatsApp to invite them to my hotel for 1 h or 1 h30.

What is your experience with the response rate on WhatsApp? (using an automatic translator if necessary).

What do you think of my strategy?[/QUOTE]Go to a good clinica and choose a girl from the lineup. You see what you like and choose the girl.

PM me for more information.

ABG.

[QUOTE=AznSafado;2338762]Might as well do the Moema rectangle at 3 p on a Friday. Prime, Miruna, Abbobora, then Enjoy. Abbobora's lineup didn't change much at all when I was in SP for over a month. Seemed like a third of the lineup was women in their early 30's. The lineup was better on Saturdays because of free lancers.[/QUOTE]IMO Tangara has the best freelancers parade at Sat. And Sun.

Most of the other clinicas are closed on Sun.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Khondjii;2339384]I read more than 100 of your pages about SP and I thank you guys.

Soon there for 10 days. Traveling on business, I will not have much time and I do not speak Portuguese at all.

Here is my strategy:

1) Book in a Mercure hotel (they all seem girl friendly).

2) send messages to escorts with WhatsApp to invite them to my hotel for 1 h or 1 h30.

What is your experience with the response rate on WhatsApp? (using an automatic translator if necessary).

What do you think of my strategy?[/QUOTE]Check out Scandallo, Bomboa, Cafe Photo, Casarao, Tangara. Check out [URL]ClubModel.com[/URL] on the internet. Meet some garotas in person before you go inviting strangers willy nilly to your place. Do some test driving, then put together your Wet Dream Team. IMHO!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2339355]So I gather help / helpee no longer exists or is not in So Paulo? Never see it discussed.

Turns out my hotel is 300 m from Bomboa. Does the "never walk alone at night" advice apply here? Seems a very short stretch? Nice enough neighborhood? Advice please? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I've walked from the H2 Poker Club to Bomboa at 11 pm on a Saturday night before. The neighborhood seems pretty safe and somewhat upscale.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2339462]My friend, you don't have anything to worry, the security of Bamboa will escort you to your hotel door for a small tip.

Any other advice PM me.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your concern, but I'm not worried about my safety. I meant an escort with this kind of stilettos, not a knife, when I walk from Bomboa back to Mercure Pinheiros.

[QUOTE=AznSafado;2339578]I've walked from the H2 Poker Club to Bomboa at 11 pm on a Saturday night before. The neighborhood seems pretty safe and somewhat upscale.[/QUOTE]Seems dangerous for Bomboa to be literally steps from my hotel. The danger is my dick might fall off from overuse!

Is there a different charge to take a girl for the short walk to my hotel versus go on site at BB? Obviously I would save the room fee which is significant but just want to know what to expect.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2339632]Thanks for your concern, but I'm not worried about my safety. I meant an escort with this kind of stilettos, not a knife, when I walk from Bomboa back to Mercure Pinheiros.[/QUOTE]They'll change to their "civilian" clothes before they leave so as to not blow their cover with the locals! Surprisingly, most of the garotas I've met at BB222 are not from São Paulo.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2339465]Go to a good clinica and choose a girl from the lineup. You see what you like and choose the girl.

PM me for more information.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Thank you for these tips I appreciate that. I will try to overcome my shyness and the language barrier to go to Scandallo etc.

But as some fellow guys wrote in the previous pages of this forum, I wonder if financially the "outcall" is better? If I understand correctly when going to Scandallo (or other) it will cost you about 500 for the girl, 200 for the room + drinks etc. So it is 1000 are $. Inviting an nice escort directly to your place would require around 500 + 100 for taxi which would be about are $ 600. Correct?

I understand that without knowing the girl, outcall is a hit or miss but I had in mind that with twitter and forum like gpguia we can get an idea of the girl.

[QUOTE=Khondjii;2340103]Thank you for these tips I appreciate that. I will try to overcome my shyness and the language barrier to go to Scandallo etc.

But as some fellow guys wrote in the previous pages of this forum, I wonder if financially the "outcall" is better? If I understand correctly when going to Scandallo (or other) it will cost you about 500 for the girl, 200 for the room + drinks etc. So it is 1000 are $. Inviting an nice escort directly to your place would require around 500 + 100 for taxi which would be about are $ 600. Correct?

I understand that without knowing the girl, outcall is a hit or miss but I had in mind that with twitter and forum like gpguia we can get an idea of the girl.[/QUOTE]There is no question outcall will be cheaper. And if U get out of Scandallo for less than 1000 R you are doing pretty good. But Scandallo is NOT for grabbing a girl and having sex. It's the EXPERIENCE you are paying for. Seeing that many 7-10's in one place at one time and all wanting to go with you. Wow. It's intoxicating. Sure if you can't afford it go the direct route or heck go to CAsarao. You'll score there for sure. But if U have the coin the atmosphere and spectacle at Scandallo is unmatched.

Slightly OT: I can't recall for sure where I read about [URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL] but I think it was this thread. So I thought I would give back. It's a matchmaking app for rich dudes and sugar babies and a great alternative in the US. It ranges from setting up true SB arrangements to just basic P4 P at low hassle. I've had four experiences now all good in their own way.

Girl 1 - very flirty and fun. Quickly clear that P4 P was available but under the guise of dating. We went out to dinner twice and had sex twice. Nice college girl. Not my type physically but fun both in and out of bed. Might repeat.

Girl 2 - really smitten with her. A solid 9 Latina. And a sweet person. High end restaurant date and some very nice making out at the rooftop bar and her car. It was clear this would not be first date sex. I really had to work like a real date to win her over. In the end she freaked out about me being married and we couldn't get past it. Bummed. I was sort of in love. .

Girl 3 - after girl 2 fell thru I started on short notice replacements. First one was very cute but only 20 with the flakiness that goes with that. Sure enough 60 minutes before we meet when she is supposed to send her address she ghosts me.

Girl 4 - so after girl 3 ghosts me I have an hour to find some P4 P. I contact 4 or 5 girls with a pretty direct approach and get some strong bites. Chose a real cutie. She was hot in bed but CBJ and light kissing. Would still repeat. Super cute.

Girl 5 - 31 years old and only a 5-6 on looks but claims to be very service oriented. She was not kidding. From the massage to 2 shots in short order she was a BBBJ magician! Gave her a mega O by hand which was rather satisfying. Oh and 2x CIM swallow no extra charge. Nice!

Have a string of girls lined up for my next trip. I have to say for stateside fun it's pretty darn good but different than straight up P4 P. Really recommend.

Sorry if this was a bit OT but I know a lot of you guys are stateside and always want to help out the fellas!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2340353]Slightly OT: I can't recall for sure where I read about [URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL] but I think it was this thread. So I thought I would give back. It's a matchmaking app for rich dudes and sugar babies and a great alternative in the US. It ranges from setting up true SB arrangements to just basic P4 P at low hassle. I've had four experiences now all good in their own way.

Girl 1 - very flirty and fun. Quickly clear that P4 P was available but under the guise of dating. We went out to dinner twice and had sex twice. Nice college girl. Not my type physically but fun both in and out of bed. Might repeat.

Girl 2 - really smitten with her. A solid 9 Latina. And a sweet person. High end restaurant date and some very nice making out at the rooftop bar and her car. It was clear this would not be first date sex. I really had to work like a real date to win her over. In the end she freaked out about me being married and we couldn't get past it. Bummed. I was sort of in love. .

Girl 3 - after girl 2 fell thru I started on short notice replacements. First one was very cute but only 20 with the flakiness that goes with that. Sure enough 60 minutes before we meet when she is supposed to send her address she ghosts me.[/QUOTE]I also found Seeking a very interesting site. All the girls I booked I in Bogota showed up on time but by the second encounter were begging for rent money. So what else is new. I'm already lining up girls for a Sao Paulo trip in 2 weeks.

Could someone tell me what clinicas are near the Four Seasons Sao Paulo? I booked it for 10 days but it does look like it's off the beaten track. Could you please direct me in the right directions with a few nightclub hookups for pay.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Khondjii;2340103]But as some fellow guys wrote in the previous pages of this forum, I wonder if financially the "outcall" is better? If I understand correctly when going to Scandallo (or other) it will cost you about 500 for the girl, 200 for the room + drinks etc. So it is 1000 are $. Inviting an nice escort directly to your place would require around 500 + 100 for taxi which would be about are $ 600. Correct?

I understand that without knowing the girl, outcall is a hit or miss but I had in mind that with twitter and forum like gpguia we can get an idea of the girl.[/QUOTE]I would say 400 reais could get you the escort of your dreams with no upcharges. Have you ruled out incall? The top escorts generally operate in the nicer areas of Sao Paulo. Sometimes I am surprised how close they are to my hotel. Like walk down the street close.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2340353]Slightly OT: I can't recall for sure where I read about [URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL] but I think it was this thread. So I thought I would give back. It's a matchmaking app for rich dudes and sugar babies and a great alternative in the US. It ranges from setting up true SB arrangements to just basic P4 P at low hassle. I've had four experiences now all good in their own way.
[/QUOTE]Salaam Steve. We know in SP there are also girls looking for sugar daddies. I had a few dirty trysts with a really hot college girl and she kept trying to push this arrangement on me where I would be on the hook for all her bills. I wasn't really interested. I figure what is going to happen is she is going to have a real boyfriend, someone closer to her own age, and I am going to be turned into the ATM that lets them both lead the high life.

Which is not to say I am closed to someone who is really consistent and sincere, but in our mongering life that's just a dream. Once the flaking and ghosting starts I'm outta there.

Back in the land of the bunda for a couple of weeks with the aim of going over old ground and covering new in terms of the clinicas.

Arrived on Tuesday so out to play yesterday to Clinica Red (Av Moema 821). The reason? Fernanda. I've followed her around on her Clinica journey as she has moved from one to the next. Why? Because she is gorgeous and incredible in the sack. She didn't disappoint. This is my first time at Clinica Red, looks like a good place in terms of seating area and the rooms. It looked like it has a bar as well? Reception was friendly. As I had made an appointment to see Fernanda I didn't get to see the lineup. Price is 200 reais per hour. They have a Festa Juninha party tomorrow which I may go along to. There is a new Metro Station nearby now (Moema) and it is about 10 minutes walk from the metro to the Clinica.

Today I went to Clinica Brooklin. I've been going along for several years now and was disappointed in the line up in the past 3 years as none of the girls were my type. Looks like things may have improved there now, although I made the wrong choice today. I picked a Gaucha from Porto Alegre called Patricia who looked amazing. Large tits (turned out to be silicon but looked pretty natural, until felt) and large bunda. However, in the room she turned out to be a disappointment. Fairly cold, didn't like kissing, wanted to give a covered BJ and started moaning with 10 seconds of sitting on Junior (really?, within seconds?) All a bit of a turn off and a wasted session really. This has been a rarity for me in Brazil, as the majority of Brazilian girls have been excellent at their job, but it can happen. So just a heads up to fellow mongers, I would give Patricia a miss. I looked her up on GPguia and her reviews were ok, so maybe we didn't have chemistry. Note that a girl called Malu at Brooklin has a lot of negative reviews on gpguia. Cost was 250 reais per hour, you have to pay upfront before the session.

My main squeeze Vivian is in town from Curitiba. Guess where my dick is going tonight? You have three guesses!

[QUOTE=Starfe1;2340444]Could someone tell me what clinicas are near the Four Seasons Sao Paulo? I booked it for 10 days but it does look like it's off the beaten track.[/QUOTE]Clinica Brooklin, Rua Joaquim Guarani, 121.

Clinica Kin Center, Travessa Libera Rivelino.

Prive Espaco Morumbi, Rua Chafic Maluf, 101.

Clinica Cancioneiro, Rua Novo Cancioneiro, 88.

The last two, I have never been to, but I would definitely check out the Clinica Kin. Nice staff and very decent line-up. Google Maps puts it slightly in a wrong place. It's not in the corner of the Joaquim Guarani, but in the end of the alley, on the left side.

If you need a crash course on Sao Paulo, I would contact ABG.

[QUOTE=Starfe1;2340444]I also found Seeking a very interesting site. All the girls I booked I in Bogota showed up on time but by the second encounter were begging for rent money. So what else is new. I'm already lining up girls for a Sao Paulo trip in 2 weeks.

Could someone tell me what clinicas are near the Four Seasons Sao Paulo? I booked it for 10 days but it does look like it's off the beaten track. Could you please direct me in the right directions with a few nightclub hookups for pay.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]It is off the beaten path. I've stayed there and it is a 4 Seasons designed for a business traveler. It is not the resort type 4 Seasons. Good news is that Uber comes there quickly and freelancers will all show up immediately. Girl friendly? Just walk in with her like you own the place. Tell her to meet you at the bar and just go.

The restaurant, Neto, is fair. Not great.

Jib Reach.

Hi Starfe1,

Nordico is right, all of these are within walking distance of the 4 seasons hotel and, in my experience, it is ok to walk around the area, at least during 'working hours'. I've walked around there until 9 pm and felt safe.

I've been to 3 of these clinicas, for some reason even after 5 years of going to Sao Paulo clinicas I have still not made it to Espaco Morumbi as there is too much choice!. For what it is worth, here is a short summary for Brooklin, Kin and Cancioneiro.

1) Brooklin. Well known location on the forum, you should find lots of info / advice by feeding back through the posts. Good, clean facilities, pleasant staff, 250 reais per hour. You have to pay upfront. Has a large selection of girls. Individual tastes vary, I was there yesterday and not many of 'my type' there and I had a sub-par experience, but that was just me and overall has a very good rating from mongers on the forum who go there. Easy to find, number 121. Guessing the direction you will walk from, it will be on the right almost at the end of the road. You will see guys sitting / standing outside. There is a large '121' on the wall outside.

2) Kin. As Nordico says it is a little harder to find as it is down a little dead-end side street off Rua Joaquim Guarani called Travessa Libera Rivelino. It is on the opposite side of the road to Brooklin, on the left as you walk towards Brooklin. The side street is just before you come to the the Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall on the left. Sometimes there is a guy sat on a chair at the entrance to the side street but if not you should see the side street and a large sign that has '210' in red on it. The clinica is a few yards down the side street, the large house on the left. In my opinion Kin has improved significantly in recent years in terms of room quality and girl quality and is definitely worth checking out. I sessioned there earlier this year with a girl called Adriana. I can't remember the cost for sure but I think it was 200 reais for the hour?

3) Cancioneiro. I don't know this place as well as the other two as I have only been there a few times when Fernanda was working there. In my opinion the room quality and girl quality was not as good as Brooklin or Kin when I was there in February but has some good recent reviews on gpguia. Session cost was 200 reais per hour in February 2019.

In summary, all of the four clinicas are worth checking out as they are all with 10-15 minutes walk of the hotel and each other, each monger has different tastes and so what hits the spot for me may not for you and the rota of girls in the clinicas turnover regularly. One thing guaranteed, you will have fun.

Remember that these places service the local Brasileiro workers during the working day or a quick session before they go home to their wives so they open around 12 noon and close around 9 or 10 at night. They won't be open late into the night, you will need to travel further afield for that option. They close early on a Saturday and Sunday.

A new Metro station (Brooklin) has now opened nearby and if you are feeling adventurous you could take the lilac metro line to Moema where you have a whole new range of options: Red, Enjoy, Mirunas, Abbobora, Chanes, plus others I've probably forgotten. You could even venture further afield by taking the lilac line to Santa Cruz station where you can change to the Blue line and explore the clinicas located near to metro stations such as Ana Rosa, Praca the Avore, Santa Cruz, Saude, Sao Judas. To find out the options there you will need go look on gpguia and do some homework.

If you are here for the first time and want to hit the ground running fast with lots of local advice then make use of ABG. He will sort you out just fine.

FINALLY, please post reports. You don't have many posts and they are all asking for information but not providing any feedback, updates, info for others to make use off. Without this the forum dies as the people who do post helpful stuff will stop and the form will just become the place for irrelevant discussions and ego-fights between certain members.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2340734]Hi Starfe1,

Nordico is right, all of these are within walking distance of the 4 seasons hotel and, in my experience, it is ok to walk around the area, at least during 'working hours'. I've walked around there until 9 pm and felt safe.

I've been to 3 of these clinicas, for some reason even after 5 years of going to Sao Paulo clinicas I have still not made it to Espaco Morumbi as there is too much choice!. For what it is worth, here is a short summary for Brooklin, Kin and Cancioneiro.

1) Brooklin. Well known location on the forum, you should find lots of info / advice by feeding back through the posts. Good, clean facilities, pleasant staff, 250 reais per hour. You have to pay upfront. Has a large selection of girls. Individual tastes vary, I was there yesterday and not many of 'my type' there and I had a sub-par experience, but that was just me and overall has a very good rating from mongers on the forum who go there. Easy to find, number 121. Guessing the direction you will walk from, it will be on the right almost at the end of the road. You will see guys sitting / standing outside..[/QUOTE]Close to Ana Rosa metro there are Yankin, Red Way, Bejin and, the best of all Tangara.

Please. PM me for details.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2339708] Is there a different charge to take a girl for the short walk to my hotel versus go on site at BB? Obviously I would save the room fee which is significant but just want to know what to expect.[/QUOTE]There is a charge to take the girl out. I can't remember how much. I took a girl out of there once, and she agreed to meet me outside so that I could avoid the charge.

Didn't make clear in last email. Exit at Moema metro station for Clinica Red, exit at Eucaliptos metro station for the other clinicas (Mirunas, Enjoy etc).

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2340734]Hi Starfe1,

Nordico is right, all of these are within walking distance of the 4 seasons hotel and, in my experience, it is ok to walk around the area, at least during 'working hours'. I've walked around there until 9 pm and felt safe.

I've been to 3 of these clinicas, for some reason even after 5 years of going to Sao Paulo clinicas I have still not made it to Espaco Morumbi as there is too much choice!. For what it is worth, here is a short summary for Brooklin, Kin and Cancioneiro.

1) Brooklin. Well known location on the forum, you should find lots of info / advice by feeding back through the posts. Good, clean facilities, pleasant staff, 250 reais per hour. You have to pay upfront. Has a large selection of girls. Individual tastes vary, I was there yesterday and not many of 'my type' there and I had a sub-par experience, but that was just me and overall has a very good rating from mongers on the forum who go there. Easy to find, number 121. Guessing the direction you will walk from, it will be on the right almost at the end of the road...[/QUOTE]Thank you for your detailed report. You would have to go back 15 years to see my last report. I've always been big on incalls except in SP. I will try to list out who I see on Mclass & Club Model. At 67 years of age, if her tits stand up to gravity she now becomes a 10.

God bless this board.

Arnold.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2340758]Close to Ana Rosa metro there are Yankin, Red Way, Bejin and, the best of all Tangara.

Please. PM me for details.

ABG.[/QUOTE]But are you able to help me locate the best clinicas near the Pinheiros area? Just arrived and looking to bed some gorgeous Brazilian women this weekend. My type is big ass and big tits (surprise LOL). Thanks very much in advance.

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Does anyone know of the hours for the Clinica Shangrila? Literally unable to find it online. Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2340734]Hi Starfe1,

Nordico is right, all of these are within walking distance of the 4 seasons hotel and, in my experience, it is ok to walk around the area, at least during 'working hours'. I've walked around there until 9 pm and felt safe.

I've been to 3 of these clinicas, for some reason even after 5 years of going to Sao Paulo clinicas I have still not made it to Espaco Morumbi as there is too much choice!. For what it is worth, here is a short summary for Brooklin, Kin and Cancioneiro.

1) Brooklin. Well known location on the forum, you should find lots of info / advice by feeding back through the posts. Good, clean facilities, pleasant staff, 250 reais per hour. You have to pay upfront. Has a large selection of girls. Individual tastes vary, I was there yesterday and not many of 'my type' there and I had a sub-par experience, but that was just me and overall has a very good rating from mongers on the forum who go there. Easy to find, number 121. Guessing the direction you will walk from, it will be on the right almost at the end of the road. You will see guys sitting / standing outside. There is a large '121' on the wall outside.

2) Kin. As Nordico says it is a little harder to find as it is down a little dead-end side street off Rua Joaquim Guarani called Travessa Libera Rivelino. It is on the opposite side of the road to Brooklin, on the left as you walk towards Brooklin. The side street is just before you come to the the Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall on the left. Sometimes there is a guy sat on a chair at the entrance to the side street but if not you should see the side street and a large sign that has '210' in red on it. The clinica is a few yards down the side street, the large house on the left. In my opinion Kin has improved significantly in recent years in terms of room quality and girl quality and is definitely worth checking out. I sessioned there earlier this year with a girl called Adriana. I can't remember the cost for sure but I think it was 200 reais for the hour?

3) Cancioneiro. I don't know this place as well as the other two as I have only been there a few times when Fernanda was working there. In my opinion the room quality and girl quality was not as good as Brooklin or Kin when I was there in February but has some good recent reviews on gpguia. Session cost was 200 reais per hour in February 2019.

In summary, all of the four clinicas are worth checking out as they are all with 10-15 minutes walk of the hotel and each other, each monger has different tastes and so what hits the spot for me may not for you and the rota of girls in the clinicas turnover regularly. One thing guaranteed, you will have fun.

Remember that these places service the local Brasileiro workers during the working day or a quick session before they go home to their wives so they open around 12 noon and close around 9 or 10 at night. They won't be open late into the night, you will need to travel further afield for that option. They close early on a Saturday and Sunday.

A new Metro station (Brooklin) has now opened nearby and if you are feeling adventurous you could take the lilac metro line to Moema where you have a whole new range of options: Red, Enjoy, Mirunas, Abbobora, Chanes, plus others I've probably forgotten. You could even venture further afield by taking the lilac line to Santa Cruz station where you can change to the Blue line and explore the clinicas located near to metro stations such as Ana Rosa, Praca the Avore, Santa Cruz, Saude, Sao Judas. To find out the options there you will need go look on gpguia and do some homework.

If you are here for the first time and want to hit the ground running fast with lots of local advice then make use of ABG. He will sort you out just fine.

FINALLY, please post reports. You don't have many posts and they are all asking for information but not providing any feedback, updates, info for others to make use off. Without this the forum dies as the people who do post helpful stuff will stop and the form will just become the place for irrelevant discussions and ego-fights between certain members.[/QUOTE]Excellent report. Thank you. I went to Espaco Morumbi a few times and there was only one or two fuckable girls there but I had fun (it's been years). Lately, I can't get past the 4-hand massage at Brooklin. I will come back someday and hit as many of these clinicas as I can. I will use this report.

Can anyone give an update on the train service between Guarulhos Airport and So Paulo? I have in past trips observed the progress in its construction. Has it been completed? Is it in use?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2341067]Can anyone give an update on the train service between Guarulhos Airport and So Paulo? I have in past trips observed the progress in its construction. Has it been completed? Is it in use?[/QUOTE]The train service is now running. I believe there is a bus that drives a circuit to the 3 terminals.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2341067]Can anyone give an update on the train service between Guarulhos Airport and So Paulo? I have in past trips observed the progress in its construction. Has it been completed? Is it in use?[/QUOTE]Yes, it's completed, you have an express train departing from Estação Luz and go directly to GRU airport, each half hour or normal trains with stopovers and change trains at estações BRAS and again in ENGENHEIRO GOULART. If you are a newcomer and don't speak Portuguese better take the direct train because the ordinary trains are overcrowded and going unto those trains with luggage and trying to find your way can be a difficult task.

But I still better take a bus [URL]http://www.airportbusservice.com.br/en/home[/URL] Those buses take you to the main hotels in Downtown and Jardins area. Cost 39,00 reais.

GUARUCOOP taxi is the best alternative. They take you door to door. The fare from GRU to Jardins is 160,00 reais.

Yesterday I went to Tangara with a friend, 31 girls on the parade, many Curitiba girls, European style, my friend went with a red hair Paulistana, Monik, very nice and GFE, DFK, BBBJ / CIM.

I went with India, a native girl, with the Brazilian Indian ascendance. GFE, DFK, BBBJ, and CIM.

If you're looking for girls from southern Brasil in São Paulo, Tangara is the place.

ABG.

Here are a few Maps:

[URL]http://www.urbanrail.net/am/spau/sao-paulo.htm[/URL]

[URL]https://saopaulomap360.com/sao-paulo-train-map[/URL]#. XReuo_ZFyUk.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2341067]Can anyone give an update on the train service between Guarulhos Airport and So Paulo? I have in past trips observed the progress in its construction. Has it been completed? Is it in use?[/QUOTE]

Find the Big Map.

Here is a screen shot of Pinheiros.

[QUOTE=RedWolff;2340924]But are you able to help me locate the best clinicas near the Pinheiros area? Just arrived and looking to bed some gorgeous Brazilian women this weekend. My type is big ass and big tits (surprise LOL). Thanks very much in advance.

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GUARUCOOP taxi is the best alternative. They take you door to door. The fare from GRU to Jardins is 160,00 reais.[/QUOTE]For info, the fare from GRU to Pinheiros is 150.00 reais.

Went to Clinica Cancioneiro today. My reason was reading about a 19 year old brunette with big tits called Amanda on gpguia working there. She wasn't in the line up in the early afternoon when I arrived but my attention was grabbed by another big titted brunette called Agatha (25 years old). Very cute and affectionate, we had a great time. 200 reais for the hour. Cancioneiro is not as well furnished as Brooklin but it does the job. Guy out front and the receptionist are both very friendly. Will probably try again during the week to see if Amanda is there, if not Agatha is the plan be.

To get to Cancioneiro on foot you would follow the route along Roque Petroni Junior until you come to the traffic lights with the sex shop on the corner where you would turn right and then second left for Joaquin Guarani and Brooklin / Kin. Instead cross over the main road and walk up the road then turn first right (there is new apartment block on the corner). Cancionerio is about 50 yards on te left with a larger sign with '88' visible and with a guy usually sat on a chair outside.

Stopped by Brooklin on the way home, it was very quiet with only 4 girls in the line up (I guess most were busy? I didn't stay around. For info, the price for one hour at Brooklin is 250 cash and 270 paying by card.

Next week I plan to hit the blue line!!

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2341300]For info, the fare from GRU to Pinheiros is 150.00 reais.[/QUOTE]160 reais is to Brooklin.

ABG.

In an earlier post I was trying to remember the price per hour for Clinica Kin. I misremembered as 200. I was there today, chasing Fernanda who has moved there from Clinica Red. The price is 220 per hour if pay cash and 240 if pay by card. Like Brooklin you pay upfront.

Lineup seems Ok, if you like big bunda then go for Nicole, she has some serious booty.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2341242]Here are a few Maps:

[URL]http://www.urbanrail.net/am/spau/sao-paulo.htm[/URL]

[URL]https://saopaulomap360.com/sao-paulo-train-map[/URL]#. XReuo_ZFyUk.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, none of the maps is actualized.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2342084]Unfortunately, none of the maps is actualized.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.metro.sp.gov.br/en/your-trip/index.aspx[/URL]

I've been to Rio countless times but I'm just now planning to make a trip to São Paulo. Can someone point me to the top three places where I can find brown / honey complexsion chicks with big PHAT ASSES? Termas, office spots, help like clubs, etc. Thanks!

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2341144]Yesterday I went to Tangara with a friend, 31 girls on the parade, many Curitiba girls, European style, my friend went with a red hair Paulistana, Monik, very nice and GFE, DFK, BBBJ / CIM.

I went with India, a native girl, with the Brazilian Indian ascendance. GFE, DFK, BBBJ, and CIM.

If you're looking for girls from southern Brasil in So Paulo, Tangara is the place.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Price 170 reais one hour in cash, 180 debit card, and 190 credit card. 120 reais 1/2 hour cash.

[QUOTE=Mongmann;2342160]I've been to Rio countless times but I'm just now planning to make a trip to So Paulo. Can someone point me to the top three places where I can find brown / honey complexsion chicks with big PHAT ASSES? Termas, office spots, help like clubs, etc. Thanks![/QUOTE]From the U.S.

[QUOTE=Mongmann;2342160]I've been to Rio countless times but I'm just now planning to make a trip to So Paulo. Can someone point me to the top three places where I can find brown / honey complexion chicks with big PHAT ASSES? Termas, office spots, help like clubs, etc. Thanks![/QUOTE]Mongman,

There is a girl that I know who will fulfill your desires, she's honey skin, Afro-descendant wit Brazilian Indian and Portuguese mixture.

PM me for details.

ABG.

Clinica Yankin now run by mme Vaní, has a cute Nipo Brasileira.

Harine is her name.

15 girls at the house now. If you prefer a quieter clinic with the style of Tangara but not so crowded this will be your place. Most customers of this house are Asian descendants.

Please. PM me for details.

ABG.

Price is 230 per hour. Few girls on show when I arrived, I guess more were on their backs earning. The receptionist was the extremely cute. Left without sessioning.

Sad news, the 24 h Padaria Moema that was on Av. Miruna close to the clinica has closed down. This was good place for coffee and a sandwich before / after doing the deed.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2342743]Clinica Yankin now run by mme Van, has a cute Nipo Brasileira.

Harine is her name.

15 girls at the house now. If you prefer a quieter clinic with the style of Tangara but not so crowded this will be your place. Most customers of this house are Asian descendants.

Please. PM me for details.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Must be short for clinica "Yankin Off" hahaha!

Hi All.

First post on the SP forum but am on the Colombia page alot. This is my first trip to Brazil and trying to decide where to go. Have read the last 6 or 7 pages until I got to the AIDS posts and got bored. I do not speak any Portuguese so that is why I have been going to Colombia and last month Guadalajara Mx. I don't drink and am not a late night guy or loud club music. I have seen the massage places and the Clinacs? I am guessing go in view lineup pay fee get laid and leave? What about the bar Bomboa 202? Is that a restaurant bar with freelancers or something totally different. I appreciate any input or help you can give me.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2343031]Hi All.

First post on the SP forum but am on the Colombia page alot. This is my first trip to Brazil and trying to decide where to go. Have read the last 6 or 7 pages until I got to the AIDS posts and got bored. I do not speak any Portuguese so that is why I have been going to Colombia and last month Guadalajara Mx. I don't drink and am not a late night guy or loud club music. I have seen the massage places and the Clinacs? I am guessing go in view lineup pay fee get laid and leave? What about the bar Bomboa 202? Is that a restaurant bar with freelancers or something totally different. I appreciate any input or help you can give me.[/QUOTE]Bamboa is a boite, your profile is more a clinica, there are many good ones. PM me for details.

ABG.

Wusup fellas planning my first trip to São Paulo in November I booked an apartment but prefer hotels which seem to more girl friendly in the city. Also prefer outcalls to my place, will most girls come to private apartments or mainly hotels? Also which of any websites are pretty reliable? I've been looking at photoacomphamtes and see that have a verified photos filter has anyone had some good luck with this?. I know why'all going to say read the thread and I have some, but the only stupid question is the one not asked so I figured I give it a go. Any feed back appreciated.

I just wanted to report a great experience I had yesterday on photosaccompanhantes with bruninha:[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/capital/jardins/bruninha-baby-sou-uma-garota-pronta-para-te-levar-ao-delirio-id-hnbh8[/URL].

I was worried it was too good to be true because I had a bad experience before. But I saw she was verified and told her to meet in the lobby of the rennaisance. I waited at the door to see if she look like her pictures. She sent a what's up saying she would be arriving in a white jacket. Exactly like her picture! After she walked by I said Hi and got her registered at the front desk, the only negative part but the lady at the front desk was not apparently judging me. Anyway 1 hour 400 RS + 50 rs credit card fee and 20 rs Uber. Gave me a natural BJ and uphill from there. This garota is the real deal!

[QUOTE=BMo814;2344680]Wusup fellas planning my first trip to So Paulo in November I booked an apartment but prefer hotels which seem to more girl friendly in the city. Also prefer outcalls to my place, will most girls come to private apartments or mainly hotels? Also which of any websites are pretty reliable? I've been looking at photoacomphantes and see that have a verified photos filter has anyone had some good luck with this?. I know why'all going to say read the thread and I have some, but the only stupid question is the one not asked so I figured I give it a go. Any feed back appreciated.[/QUOTE]I was in Sao Paulo recently and stayed in apartments. Out of the three girls I invited to my apartment, only one refused. The two girls who came over, I had met them the first time over at their place. When I invited them over, one accepted the invite without hesitation, the other I had use a bit of persuasion. The girl who didn't want to come was a first timer and we went to a motel instead.

I think you will have little to no problem getting girls to come over to your apartment if you have a bit of rapport with them. It would be harder to convince a girl who never met you in person. I think it is a matter of safety for the girls as their line of work is quite dangerous. Think assaults and robberies. It would also be in your best interest to meet the girls at a more secure place such a motel or at their place, at least for first time meetings.

As for photoacomphantes, it is a hit and miss. All three of the girls I mentioned above are from photoacomphantes and luckly they were all pretty good service wise. They were all the same person as on the photo but two of the three girls used photos of themselves when they were younger and skinnier. However, I have read reports about girls not matching the photos. So I would advice you to have an open mind with photoacomphantes girls and be cautious of girls with professionally done photos.

My suggestion is if its indeed your first time in Sao Paulo to go visit the many clinicas and nightclubs first. That way you will see the girls in person and then can make your decision. If you like a girl, you can then ask her for her whatsapp. Most girls will happily give it to you. Use photoacomphantes as a backup.

Enjoy your upcoming trip.

[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2344763]I just wanted to report a great experience I had yesterday on photosaccompanhantes with bruninha:[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/capital/jardins/bruninha-baby-sou-uma-garota-pronta-para-te-levar-ao-delirio-id-hnbh8[/URL].

I was worried it was too good to be true because I had a bad experience before. But I saw she was verified and told her to meet in the lobby of the rennaisance. I waited at the door to see if she look like her pictures. She sent a what's up saying she would be arriving in a white jacket. Exactly like her picture! After she walked by I said Hi and got her registered at the front desk, the only negative part but the lady at the front desk was not apparently judging me. Anyway 1 hour 400 RS + 50 rs credit card fee and 20 rs Uber. Gave me a natural BJ and uphill from there. This garota is the real deal![/QUOTE]Wow. Holy cow I don't know how I missed her. Thanks for the tip. I will definitely see her for a day visit (Boates at night.).

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2344799]I was in Sao Paulo recently and stayed in apartments. Out of the three girls I invited to my apartment, only one refused. The two girls who came over, I had met them the first time over at their place. When I invited them over, one accepted the invite without hesitation, the other I had use a bit of persuasion. The girl who didn't want to come was a first timer and we went to a motel instead.

I think you will have little to no problem getting girls to come over to your apartment if you have a bit of rapport with them. It would be harder to convince a girl who never met you in person. I think it is a matter of safety for the girls as their line of work is quite dangerous. Think assaults and robberies. It would also be in your best interest to meet the girls at a more secure place such a motel or at their place, at least for first time meetings.

As for photoacomphantes, it is a hit and miss. All three of the girls I mentioned above are from photoacomphantes and luckly they were all pretty good service wise. They were all the same person as on the photo but two of the three girls used photos of themselves when they were younger and skinnier. However, I have read reports about girls not matching the photos. So I would advice you to have an open mind with photoacomphantes girls and be cautious of girls with professionally done photos.

My suggestion is if its indeed your first time in Sao Paulo to go visit the many clinicas and nightclubs first. That way you will see the girls in person and then can make your decision. If you like a girl, you can then ask her for her whatsapp. Most girls will happily give it to you. Use photoacomphantes as a backup.

Enjoy your upcoming trip.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the great advice! Kinda sounds like the hotel might be the better option then. Also sounds like you do pretty well with freelancers at night clubs as well?

[QUOTE=BMo814;2344680]Wusup fellas planning my first trip to So Paulo in November I booked an apartment but prefer hotels which seem to more girl friendly in the city. Also prefer outcalls to my place, will most girls come to private apartments or mainly hotels? Also which of any websites are pretty reliable? I've been looking at photoacomphamtes and see that have a verified photos filter has anyone had some good luck with this?. I know why'all going to say read the thread and I have some, but the only stupid question is the one not asked so I figured I give it a go. Any feed back appreciated.[/QUOTE]In case of doubt for your guest who does not know you or not enough, the hotel always tends to reassure them more than an apart.

This is I imagine valid worldwide for girls. After that, make sure that the hotel in question is guest friendly or does not create too much hassle. In Sao Paulo I do not know enough.

On the other hand, the apartment if you know the language of the country and meet girls "live" gives you greater freedom and sometimes avoids judgment and a little shame in hotels for shy people like me.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2345079]Thanks for all the great advice! Kinda sounds like the hotel might be the better option then. Also sounds like you do pretty well with freelancers at night clubs as well?[/QUOTE]Dude if you have any coin at all do the Boates. Scandallo and Bomboa or even Casarao. These are nightclubs where the vibe is totally like going to a club and running your game and getting a girl. Except you don't need any game. Just $$. And the rooms are onsite so no hassle there. There could be 100 or more girls to choose. And they all want YOU!

Plan on USD $300 for a evening at Scandallo. (Drinks girl and room) Half that at Casarao and in between for Bomboa.

Of all the places I go worldwide (and those that read ISG know that is everywhere) the Boates of SP are my favorite.

Oh and even though my reports on same are dated by the time U go I will have a full up to date report out. Keep your eyes peeled over the next month and u will get detailed reports on all this and more.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2345134]Dude if you have any coin at all do the Boates. Scandallo and Bomboa or even Casarao. These are nightclubs where the vibe is totally like going to a club and running your game and getting a girl. Except you don't need any game. Just $$. And the rooms are onsite so no hassle there. There could be 100 or more girls to choose. And they all want YOU!

Plan on USD $300 for a evening at Scandallo. (Drinks girl and room) Half that at Casarao and in between for Bomboa.

Of all the places I go worldwide (and those that read ISG know that is everywhere) the Boates of SP are my favorite.

Oh and even though my reports on same are dated by the time U go I will have a full up to date report out. Keep your eyes peeled over the next month and u will get detailed reports on all this and more.[/QUOTE]Yeah that reminds me as DreamCarnavon says Brazileiras are very casual about meetups. Every girl I met in Scandalo and Casarao and Fazendinha gave me their number. And when I asked for pics they all sent them. And I had follow up dates with Carolina (wonderful!) and Thifany (mind blowing week in London). So yeah, the Boates are just the start of the relationship.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2345134]Dude if you have any coin at all do the Boates. Scandallo and Bomboa or even Casarao. These are nightclubs where the vibe is totally like going to a club and running your game and getting a girl. Except you don't need any game. Just $$. And the rooms are onsite so no hassle there. There could be 100 or more girls to choose. And they all want YOU!

Plan on USD $300 for a evening at Scandallo. (Drinks girl and room) Half that at Casarao and in between for Bomboa.

Of all the places I go worldwide (and those that read ISG know that is everywhere) the Boates of SP are my favorite.

Oh and even though my reports on same are dated by the time U go I will have a full up to date report out. Keep your eyes peeled over the next month and u will get detailed reports on all this and more.[/QUOTE]Thanks chief sounds dope! Def going to be all about that. That's why I'm here bugging why'all with questions, I appreciate it all.

A website mentioned Pinheiros. Should I stay near Paulista? Looking for nearby budget and value venues.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2345134]Plan on USD $300 for a evening at Scandallo. (Drinks girl and room) Half that at Casarao and in between for Bomboa.

Of all the places I go worldwide (and those that read ISG know that is everywhere) the Boates of SP are my favorite.

Oh and even though my reports on same are dated by the time U go I will have a full up to date report out. Keep your eyes peeled over the next month and u will get detailed reports on all this and more.[/QUOTE]Just returned from my trip about a week ago and I'm already wanting to go back. Sadly I never gave any of SP's boates a try. Looking back, I kinda regretted a bit.

I'm looking forward to your reports of your upcoming trip. I'm definitely going to check out the boates the next time I'm in SP.

[QUOTE=Cool;2345380]A website mentioned Pinheiros. Should I stay near Paulista? Looking for a nearby budget and value venues.[/QUOTE]Hotel like Ibis Budget on Av. Vergueiro is close to Av. Paulista and cheaper. [URL]www.decolar.com.br[/URL] is a good website to choose your best hotel.

ABG.

I went to the renewed Red way, Rua Machado de Assis, once one of the best lineups in São Paulo.

Best looking garotas, Bella, Beatriz, Lorraine, Carol, and Kelly.

I went with Bella, a BBW morena, excellent LFK, very good BBBJ / CIM.

1/2 hour = 50 reais. Luana the receptionist understands some English.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Cool;2345380]A website mentioned Pinheiros. Should I stay near Paulista? Looking for nearby budget and value venues.[/QUOTE]Not really budget oriented but really all hotels in SP are ridiculously cheap. Anyhowbwhe I was deciding I chose Pinheiros. Lots of shops restaurants and cafes. And a bonus is Bomboa is walking distance from much of Pinheiros.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2345679]I was deciding I chose Pinheiros. Lots of shops restaurants and cafes. And a bonus is Bomboa is walking distance from much of Pinheiros.[/QUOTE]I stay in Pinheiros when in Sao Paulo. As you say, it has lots of shops and places to eat, but more so at the southern end of Pinheiros than the northern end and its close to Vila Madalena for even more restaurants.

There are also several metro stations on the yellow line in Pinheiros that will get you to other parts of the city. For example, Line 4 (Yellow) to Pinheiros, change to line 9 (Esmeralda) at Pinheiros and get off at Morumbi will take you to Brooklin, Kin, Cancioneiro, Espaco Morumbi (all within walking distance of the metro). Line 4 to Paulista then line 2 (green) to Ana Rosa then onto the line 1 (blue) for plenty more clinicas. Line 4 (Yellow) to Republica then line 3 (Red) to Carrao for the Tatuape clinicas.

There are now metro stations on the new Lilac line that will get you to the Moema Clinicas. Eucaliptos station is closest to most of them, but use Moema station for Clinica Red.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2345661]I went to the renewed Red way, Rua Machado de Assis, once one of the best lineups in So Paulo.[/QUOTE]Do you have a street address for Red Way, I can't find it on Google Maps.

Obrigado!

[quote=kcrl01;2345871]do you have a street address for red way, i can't find it on google maps.

Obrigado![/quote]Rua Machado de Assis 449.

Abg.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2345177]Yeah that reminds me as DreamCarnavon says Brazileiras are very casual about meetups. Every girl I met in Scandalo and Casarao and Fazendinha gave me their number. And when I asked for pics they all sent them. And I had follow up dates with Carolina (wonderful!) and Thifany (mind blowing week in London). So yeah, the Boates are just the start of the relationship.[/QUOTE]Don't forget Cafe photo!

ABG.

Gabriela at Tangará.

Very nice morena com luzes, from Belo Horizonte, 1,54 m, 20 yo. GFE, DFK, BBBJ & CIM. Did not ask for anal.

She came twice, I did it too! For more details PM me please.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2345134]...........Of all the places I go worldwide (and those that read ISG know that is everywhere) the Boates of SP are my favorite............[/QUOTE]Have you been to German FKKs?

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2346428]Don't forget Cafe photo!

ABG.[/QUOTE]Also consider some of the lesser mentioned as they look promising to me. The Connection Nightclub and Bahamas Hotel Club:

[URL]http://www.connectionvip.com.br/EN/[/URL]

[URL]http://bahamashotelclub.com.br/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2346739]Have you been to German FKKs?[/QUOTE]Yes. I've been to Sharks, Oase, Palace and World. Also to Globe (widely considered the best) and Aphrodisia (not an FKK per se, but a competitor to same) in Switzerland and Goldentime in Austria. Don't get me wrong I LOVE FKK but I love the Boate more. I think it really has to do with the girls. Brasileiras are just a breed apart. And I guess it feels more real all around because you are "clubbing" with your clothes on. It's really like picking up girls. But with nearly zero chance of failure. Plus there is no "let's go to the room" pressure compared to FKK.

A few examples of how Brasileiras are different from last year (hope for even more this year!)

Karina. Scandallo. Spent 2 hrs (just chatting dancing and flirting before going to the room. And I am the one who suggested it! And then she tried to convince me to go to the beach with her and her friend the next day (I was too tired).

Carolina. Casarao. Had a great time. Got her WhatsApp and met the next night for drinks and a repeat skipped the club.

Thifany Fazendinha. Spent 5 hrs together including 2 in room. Agreed to fly to London and spend the week with me (and did)!

None of this would happen in FKK where it's pure business. Sure it's a ton of fun but it's sex and little else.

BTW A lot of this is these girls are part timers. Karina is married now (engaged a month after we were together). Thifany is engaged (6 months after we were together) and she is just soooo happy. I wish her the best. Maybe I should start a service because I am batting 2 for 3 with engagements following coupling with Steve! Haha!

Slightly OT but I am becoming more and more addicted to the REAL girlfriend experience beyond BBBJ and DFK — I mean texting each other and just laughing and “dating”. I’ve got a Seeking Arrangement girl in Buenas Aires lined up for three days and the chemistry is just electric and we haven’t met yet! It’s a whole different beast but highly recommended for those looking for connection beyond the bedroom. (My US experiences where we DID meet in person were quite solid — but this promises to be even better)

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2346873]Slightly OT but I am becoming more and more addicted to the REAL girlfriend experience beyond BBBJ and DFK I mean texting each other and just laughing and dating. Ive got a Seeking Arrangement girl in Buenas Aires lined up for three days and the chemistry is just electric and we havent met yet! Its a whole different beast but highly recommended for those looking for connection beyond the bedroom. (My US experiences where we DID meet in person were quite solid but this promises to be even better)[/QUOTE]And I just now scored a "lunch plus more" date with a STUNNER in SP. Although there are quite a few nice SP girls on SA I had been holding off doing anything since the Options from Clinicas to Boates to repeats with last years girls are so numerous. But this girl is stunning. And studies in London so her English is great. So I am making. An exception and booking a date with her. I will still get plenty of Boate time.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2346428]Don't forget Cafe photo!

ABG.[/QUOTE]Refresh me on Cafe Photo. How is it like Bomboa or Scandallo or how is it different. I got the vibe it might be a bit pass? Carolina said she used to get 1000 R there so at one point it was all that.

What is the current scoop? And pricing. Scandallo like? Bomboa like? Other? We

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2346912]Refresh me on Cafe Photo. How is it like Bomboa or Scandallo or how is it different. I got the vibe it might be a bit pass? Carolina said she used to get 1000 R there so at one point it was all that.[/QUOTE]It use to be a big deal. The top dog and most expensive boate in SP about 20 years ago. Some of the girls were allegedly models and this and that.

It seemed to get into trouble over time and Scandallo surpassed its shine. It's strange that it's still open, but rarely mentioned here.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2346873]Slightly OT but I am becoming more and more addicted to the REAL girlfriend experience beyond BBBJ and DFK I mean texting each other and just laughing and dating. Ive got a Seeking Arrangement girl in Buenas Aires lined up for three days and the chemistry is just electric and we havent met yet! Its a whole different beast but highly recommended for those looking for connection beyond the bedroom. (My US experiences where we DID meet in person were quite solid but this promises to be even better)[/QUOTE]I forget Steve 9696. Have you told us your approximate age? I think some youth helps mongers establish "girlfriend experiences".

I remember when I was in my 30's / early 40's the working girls liked to hang out and it was easy to turn an encounter into an overnight session or a multiday affair. Lots of drinking, dancing, cultural stuff and the beach. There were also plenty of opportunity to hook-up with civilian girls in the right venues.

Many of the working girls would seem to grow a genuine fondness for me and vice versa. Of course, I realize many of the girls might have had uneventful lives. Foreign men with means and some youth would drop in and provide them some excitement.

This actually made me feel somewhat invincible. I would offer a girl back at the apartment an opportunity to hang out, make more money, etc. Some girls would just want their money and to go home. So haha, not every Brasileira found me irresistible back in the day.

What's a better area in the boards opinion, Morumbi or Moema? I have 2 reservations one at an apartment in Moema and one in Hilton Mourmbi. If I read the Hilton is guest friendly which is the original reason I booked the apartment in the first place, thinking it may be easy to bring guess to the apartment then I read the ladies are a bit timid about coming to apartments so I'm leaning toward Hilton Morumbi but would like why'all opinion.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2347092]What's a better area in the boards opinion, Morumbi or Moema? I have 2 reservations one at an apartment in Moema and one in Hilton Mourmbi. If I read the Hilton is guest friendly which is the original reason I booked the apartment in the first place, thinking it may be easy to bring guess to the apartment then I read the ladies are a bit timid about coming to apartments so I'm leaning toward Hilton Morumbi but would like why'all opinion.[/QUOTE]Moema is better in my opinion. From my experience, Morumbi is a bit out of the way due to the Sao Paulo traffic.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2347092]What's a better area in the boards opinion, Morumbi or Moema? I have 2 reservations one at an apartment in Moema and one in Hilton Mourmbi. If I read the Hilton is guest friendly which is the original reason I booked the apartment in the first place, thinking it may be easy to bring guess to the apartment then I read the ladies are a bit timid about coming to apartments so I'm leaning toward Hilton Morumbi but would like why'all opinion.[/QUOTE]I agree with WyattEarp that you should stay in Moema. Moema is more centrally located and its one of the nicer and more upscale neighborhoods of SP. There are several clinicas and boates in the area, which is a plus. If I had the budget, Moema would be one of my top choice to stay in SP.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2347052]It use to be a big deal. The top dog and most expensive boate in SP about 20 years ago. Some of the girls were allegedly models and this and that..[/QUOTE]I read in another post Cafe foto has different rules than Bamboa or Scandallo. What would those be?

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2347054]I forget Steve 9696. Have you told us your approximate age? I think some youth helps mongers establish "girlfriend experiences".

I remember when I was in my 30's / early 40's the working girls liked to hang out and it was easy to turn an encounter into an overnight session or a multiday affair. Lots of drinking, dancing, cultural stuff and the beach. There were also plenty of opportunity to hook-up with civilian girls in the right venues.

Many of the working girls would seem to grow a genuine fondness for me and vice versa. Of course, I realize many of the girls might have had uneventful lives. Foreign men with means and some youth would drop in and provide them some excitement.

This actually made me feel somewhat invincible. I would offer a girl back at the apartment an opportunity to hang out, make more money, etc. Some girls would just want their money and to go home. So haha, not every Brasileira found me irresistible back in the day.[/QUOTE]So I am in my fifties but have most of my hair and am slim and in reasonable shape, so probably your above average 50's dude. Still no illusions. I think girls can be OK with how I look, but enjoy my company and see past my age with the promise of some dollars to soften the blow.

Basically I am not too objectionable looking, a ton of fun, and have $ to boot. I suspect they also feel my vibe — and that is I have mad respect for WGs and treat them with respect and tenderness. Women are very perceptive and I'm sure this vibe shows through.

Anyhow whatever it is is working pretty well! Just trying to keep all my SA chats straight! And looking forward to SP!

Oh and Bianca my recent SP find was a total bust. She wanted $500 USD for our date! LOL. OMG and other acronyms! What universe does she live in? This is SP not LA!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2346873]Plus there is no "let's go to the room" pressure compared to FKK.
[/QUOTE]No room pressure at all? A Scandallo girl once said to me, "I have a medical operation in a week and no money for it. I have to get a bus home and I don't have money for that either. I didn't do a session all day and I can't even pay my way out of the club. You're my last chance. I'll make you a special deal, 300 reals for the hour. ".

That is what I call Olympic-level room pressure. Any guy with a functioning heart would have broken down in tears and handed over his wallet no-questions-asked. As for me, I moved on. Too many years mongering I guess.

Anyway, my point is: Scandallo is really a mix of girl types. There are girls who are into room pressure. There are girls who don't seem interested in rooms at all but just try to cadge drinks and snacks off you constantly -- they are the biggest waste of space. But also certainly there are girls who are the Real Deal and will enjoy talking to you for hours and have smoking sex and also want to meet afterwards. They are what makes the club worthwhile, and indeed a superior option to most FKKs as you point out Habibi Steve.

Moema is better by a long shot imo. I stayed at the Hilton in morumbi and while it's a great hotel, the immediate neighborhood is kinda sterile and a bit far away from the main action (Tangara, Scandallo, Bomboa etc). There are a couple of clinicas nearby (Brookli, Oro) But I was disappointed in Brooklin and I don't think you'll find anything in Morumbi that you can't find elsewhere. I do think the Hilton would impress most garotas but moema is much more the real Brazil. If it were me? I'the book the apartment and maybe hire ABG to help navigate the security outcall situation if needed.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2347092]What's a better area in the boards opinion, Morumbi or Moema? I have 2 reservations one at an apartment in Moema and one in Hilton Mourmbi. If I read the Hilton is guest friendly which is the original reason I booked the apartment in the first place, thinking it may be easy to bring guess to the apartment then I read the ladies are a bit timid about coming to apartments so I'm leaning toward Hilton Morumbi but would like why'all opinion.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2347319] If it were me? I would book the apartment and maybe hire ABG to help navigate the security outcall situation if needed.[/QUOTE]And if it were me, I would book a hotel in Moema (best of both situations in my book), do my research, and save my money for other uses by being my own navigator. It's easy, and for me more enjoyable to go exploring on my own.

It looks like I will be visiting Sampa for 4 nights for final round interviews for a job in Pinheiros. I have been RTFF for awhile. If I do end up taking the job it is likely I will have a year before the family joins. 1 year of complete freedom to experience the local scene. I am trying to put together an itinerary for my trip to sample as much as possible in those 4 nights on a budget of about 800 reals and based in Pinheiros with limited travel time. I speak no Portuguese (yet). So ease and time efficiency are important. I am pretty omniverous sexually and lije everything from the gem value find to an occasional premium. I prefer GFE and attitude and no plastic. I will take that over a "10" or "19 year old" any day. Doesn't sound like I have to make that trade off here! I have never visited Brazil but have mongered in Korea, El Salvador, Costa Rica and the US.

I would love to hit a value clinica, strong clinical and maybe casanarao or a strong dupla. (I am thinking of saving the Scandallo experience for if and when I am there). Recommendations from the regulars? Casanarao, Brooklin and some value clinica? Maybe a recommended escort instead? I will report!

[QUOTE=BMo814;2347092]What's a better area in the boards opinion, Morumbi or Moema? I have 2 reservations one at an apartment in Moema and one in Hilton Mourmbi. If I read the Hilton is guest friendly which is the original reason I booked the apartment in the first place, thinking it may be easy to bring guess to the apartment then I read the ladies are a bit timid about coming to apartments so I'm leaning toward Hilton Morumbi but would like why'all opinion.[/QUOTE]Given the choices, there is no choice. Moema. Closer to everything you're looking for and easy to Uber in and out of during the day.

My personal preference is Alameda Santos, Bela Cintra, Jardins. But that is also just personal preference since I'm not much a Clinica guy. Independents for me thanks.

[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2344763]I just wanted to report a great experience I had yesterday on photosaccompanhantes with bruninha:[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/capital/jardins/bruninha-baby-sou-uma-garota-pronta-para-te-levar-ao-delirio-id-hnbh8[/URL].

I was worried it was too good to be true because I had a bad experience before. But I saw she was verified and told her to meet in the lobby of the rennaisance. I waited at the door to see if she look like her pictures. She sent a what's up saying she would be arriving in a white jacket. Exactly like her picture! After she walked by I said Hi and got her registered at the front desk, the only negative part but the lady at the front desk was not apparently judging me. Anyway 1 hour 400 RS + 50 rs credit card fee and 20 rs Uber. Gave me a natural BJ and uphill from there. This garota is the real deal![/QUOTE]As long as they look discrete and civilian, there really is no reason to "register" them. She's simply a friend.

I was at the Renaissance this weekend and my girl and I simply walk in and we are done. Or she walks in alone. NBD.

I did see them give one guy a hard time about 5:00 am Sunday when he tried to get in with two GPS who looked like street walkers. Completely out of place for that hotel. Gente sem noção.

Job Reach.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2347627]It looks like I will be visiting Sampa for 4 nights for final round interviews for a job in Pinheiros. I have been RTFF for awhile. If I do end up taking the job it is likely I will have a year before the family joins. 1 year of complete freedom to experience the local scene. I am trying to put together an itinerary for my trip to sample as much as possible in those 4 nights on a budget of about 800 reals and based in Pinheiros with limited travel time. I speak no Portuguese (yet). So ease and time efficiency are important. I am pretty omniverous sexually and lije everything from the gem value find to an occasional premium. I prefer GFE and attitude and no plastic. I will take that over a "10" or "19 year old" any day. Doesn't sound like I have to make that trade off here! I have never visited Brazil but have mongered in Korea, El Salvador, Costa Rica and the US.

I would love to hit a value clinica, strong clinical and maybe casanarao or a strong dupla. (I am thinking of saving the Scandallo experience for if and when I am there). Recommendations from the regulars? Casanarao, Brooklin and some value clinica? Maybe a recommended escort instead? I will report![/QUOTE]There is not much to do in Pinheiros, I recommend you stay in Paraiso, near to Av Paulista and largo Ana Rosa.

PM me.

ABG.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2347627]
I would love to hit a value clinica, strong clinical and maybe casanarao or a strong dupla. (I am thinking of saving the Scandallo experience for if and when I am there). Recommendations from the regulars? Casanarao, Brooklin and some value clinica?[/QUOTE]I could give you a couple of recommendations, but why believe me when you have data?

[URL]http://www.gp-guia.net/forum2015/viewforum.php?listby=date&f=8[/URL]

You can see the price and BBBJ / DFK rates for each clinica based on many thousands of forum reports. For example, right away you can see that at Brooklin about 85% of the sessions include kissing while at Kahunas it appears to be less than 20%. Nevertheless (for some reason) less than 5% of guys marked their visit to Kahunas as "negative".

Some caveats about this data:

1. The "anal" and "oral" columns appear to be currently mixed up on this page. The real order is Oral / Anal / Kissing.

2. The price listed is for forum members. As a tourist you might have to pay more.

3. There is a bias for forum members to mark their visits as positive because they are given discounts. Consequently, figures are exaggerated.

4. Figures are also exaggerated because they only represent people who have written reports. If a tourist goes in, gets ripped off, and writes no report, his experience is not represented in this data. I also think a lot of quiet Asian locals get worse treatment here and write nothing about it. So, for example the 85% figure for Brooklin might not be accurate. It might be more like 50% overall. (My own experience is closer to 85%, but I take special care.).

Despite these caveats, I think this data is useful for comparative purposes. For example, the reported DFK rate at Yankin is only about 67%, and this matches my own experience so I don't go to Yankin any more.

The significance of this data goes beyond the technical quality of the sessions. If there's a high percentage of girls in a clinica turning down basic stuff like DFK and BBBJ, that could indicate they are unhappy in their jobs. We should not patronize any establishment where the workers are unhappy.

Here is the same list but for prives:

[URL]http://www.gp-guia.net/forum2015/viewforum.php?listby=date&f=9[/URL]

Guys here often ask what the difference is between a clinica and a prive. Well, the set-up is basically the same, but from this data you can see that the prives are cheaper and have worse service rates.

[QUOTE=JibReach;2347837]Given the choices, there is no choice. Moema. Closer to everything you're looking for and easy to Uber in and out of during the day.

My personal preference is Alameda Santos, Bela Cintra, Jardins. But that is also just personal preference since I'm not much a Clinica guy. Independents for me thanks.[/QUOTE]Thanks I'll probably look for a hotel in Moema or Jardíand like one of the other fellas says he likes. The apartment I booked on [URL]booking.com[/URL] looks cool but no safe and bed is only a double. Thanks for the input from what I read on the board moema looks like where I should be. Thanks again.

So went to Cafe photo last night since I was curious. Was not expecting to session as I had to work but stuff happens. I liked the idea of the girls not coming to me so I can chill and check out the talent. 150 to get in. For a Tuesday not bad with probably 50 girls an significantly less guys. I am very particular but found a Morena exactly my type. She quoted 900 rs I got here down to 800 rs no time limit at my hotel. She stayed with me for about 2.5 hours. One of the best I had. Will likely try Scandallo next week.

It looks like I'll be staying close to Bomboa at Hotel Mercure (Pinheiros). I'll be in town for about five or six nights on a work trip, with what will likely be an attentive local host who will be hyper-scheduling my time and a few business colleagues who will want to hang out with me, and I don't want any of them to know anything about my recreational activities. My guess is that I'll be able to have two or three adventures, but timing could be tight, and I might have to jump on short notice, without being able to schedule it in advance. I really don't know how much "alone time" I'm going to have.

It's my first time in the country. I'm lousy at navigating public transportation, and won't have the time to get lost, so I'm not keen on leaving Pinheiros.

So, a few questions.

1. Is there a clinica near that area? There's something called Clinica Caribe, but I searching the forum hasn't turned up any reports. (Are all clinicas monger friendly, or are some just for legit massages? And is it like AMPS, where you signal your extracurricular intentions in various established signs? If so, how?

2. If I found someone at Bomboa, would it make sense to bring her to my regular room at Mercure? Has anyone brought a provider to that hotel? (If my room is adjacent to my colleagues, I won't do this.).

3. I don't understand the fee structure at Bomboa or other clubs. Is it that you pay around 250 reals as a cover charge that you can then somehow exchange for food / drink? If so, can I use that fund to buy drinks for the girls?

4. Typically, if you want more time with a provider than an hour (say 90 minutes or 2 hours), how does that typically affect cost?

I'm not big into the club scene, though I understand it is special in SP and I should try to experience it at least once. Also, I'm relatively picky, and a little concerned that the clinica route might be uninspiring. Not knowing the language or landscape, the indie route has its share of concerns as well.

I've been reading the forum diligently and appreciate your insights.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2347916]I could give you a couple of recommendations, but why believe me when you have data?

[URL]http://www.gp-guia.net/forum2015/viewforum.php?listby=date&f=8[/URL]

You can see the price and BBBJ / DFK rates for each clinica based on many thousands of forum reports. For example, right away you can see that at Brooklin about 85% of the sessions include kissing while at Kahunas it appears to be less than 20%. Nevertheless (for some reason) less than 5% of guys marked their visit to Kahunas as "negative".

Some caveats about this data:

1. The "anal" and "oral" columns appear to be currently mixed up on this page. The real order is Oral / Anal / Kissing.

2. The price listed is for forum members. As a tourist you might have to pay more.

3. There is a bias for forum members to mark their visits as positive because they are given discounts. Consequently, figures are exaggerated..[/QUOTE]Funny enough I am data scientist Given all your caveats about the data I think your recommendations and others in this forum may be just as good. However, thanks for the link. I just got confirmation of my trip. I expect to be staying in hotel Mercure as well and have a full day Saturday. So any specific recommendations are appreciated. I am so looking forward to seeing Sampa girls in action.

Has anyone used this service? The women look amazing, but photos can be decieving. Its on the home page of the gpguia site I am trying to register on.

[URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/jardins[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2348760]Has anyone used this service? The women look amazing, but photos can be decieving. Its on the home page of the gpguia site I am trying to register on.

[URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/jardins[/URL][/QUOTE]It's a legit site. But the photos are touched up.

If you find someone you're interested in look for their Twitter. Or just WhatsApp them and ask for the Twitter link.

It's one of the best and most trustlabe websites in Sao Paulo. Obviously the pics must have some photoshop treatment but the girls are all verified.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2348760]Has anyone used this service? The women look amazing, but photos can be decieving. Its on the home page of the gpguia site I am trying to register on.

[URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/jardins[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SnarkHunter;2348153]It looks like I'll be staying close to Bomboa at Hotel Mercure (Pinheiros). I'll be in town for about five or six nights on a work trip, with what will likely be an attentive local host who will be hyper-scheduling my time and a few business colleagues who will want to hang out with me, and I don't want any of them to know anything about my recreational activities. My guess is that I'll be able to have two or three adventures, but timing could be tight, and I might have to jump on short notice, without being able to schedule it in advance. I really don't know how much "alone time" I'm going to have.

It's my first time in the country. I'm lousy at navigating public transportation, and won't have the time to get lost, so I'm not keen on leaving Pinheiros.

So, a few questions.

1. Is there a clinica near that area? There's something called Clinica Caribe, but I searching the forum hasn't turned up any reports. (Are all clinicas monger friendly, or are some just for legit massages? And is it like AMPS, where you signal your extracurricular intentions in various established signs? If so, how?

2. If I found someone at Bomboa, would it make sense to bring her to my regular room at Mercure? Has anyone brought a provider to that hotel? (If my room is adjacent to my colleagues, I won't do this.).

3. I don't understand the fee structure at Bomboa or other clubs. Is it that you pay around 250 reals as a cover charge that you can then somehow exchange for food / drink? If so, can I use that fund to buy drinks for the girls?

4. Typically, if you want more time with a provider than an hour (say 90 minutes or 2 hours), how does that typically affect cost?

I'm not big into the club scene, though I understand it is special in SP and I should try to experience it at least once. Also, I'm relatively picky, and a little concerned that the clinica route might be uninspiring. Not knowing the language or landscape, the indie route has its share of concerns as well.

I've been reading the forum diligently and appreciate your insights.[/QUOTE]As to clinicas near the Mercure not really. BUT Uber is super cheap here. An hour ride from the airport was under $20. So just hop an Uber and don't sweat it.

My preference is the Boates and U cannot go wrong with BomBoa which is literally a three minute walk from the Mercure. The entry is R270 and they give you a little wristband with a number. Each time u order they make you sign and they note ur number. Yes it is credited against the 270 but it goes pretty quickly. Drinks are R50 and if you get a mixer it's another R20. So R70 for a JAck and coke. Totally worth it tho. So much eye candy you won't know what to do. Oh and the food is excellent and not that expensive. I had a really nice Salmon and it was R85. Would surely be more in a restaurant.

As to the room, you could walk to the Mercure. But the on-site rooms are only R190 and very convenient. Great mirrors on ceiling and walls. Worth it to me. Get your girls number if you really like her and have her to your hotel for a longer session the next day.

As far as service and time you need to negotiate beforehand. You can use google translate. I didn't discuss service with my first girl and got CBJ (boo) and my second we discussed BBBJ and CIM ahead. I have a small advantage speaking some Portuguese but I am sure google translate will work.

Full report forthcoming but hopefully this helps for now.

[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2348150]So went to Cafe photo last night since I was curious. Was not expecting to session as I had to work but stuff happens. I liked the idea of the girls not coming to me so I can chill and check out the talent. 150 to get in. For a Tuesday not bad with probably 50 girls an significantly less guys. I am very particular but found a Morena exactly my type. She quoted 900 rs I got here down to 800 rs no time limit at my hotel. She stayed with me for about 2.5 hours. One of the best I had. Will likely try Scandallo next week.[/QUOTE]Is Cafe Photo that pricey or was it just the length of time. I did have a Casarao girl last year tell me she used to charge 1000 at Cafe Photo. Seems so high. My datapoints so far (and I'm sure there are those that will accuse me of overpaying) are:

Scandallo 700. Bomboa 2 at 600 and 1 at 500. All were super good looking 8.5+ material.

[QUOTE=SnarkHunter;2348153]It looks like I'll be staying close to Bomboa at Hotel Mercure (Pinheiros). I'll be in town for about five or six nights on a work trip, with what will likely be an attentive local host who will be hyper-scheduling my time and a few business colleagues who will want to hang out with me, and I don't want any of them to know anything about my recreational activities. My guess is that I'll be able to have two or three adventures, but timing could be tight, and I might have to jump on short notice, without being able to schedule it in advance. I really don't know how much "alone time" I'm going to have.

It's my first time in the country. I'm lousy at navigating public transportation, and won't have the time to get lost, so I'm not keen on leaving Pinheiros.

So, a few questions.

1. Is there a clinica near that area? There's something called Clinica Caribe, but I searching the forum hasn't turned up any reports. (Are all clinicas monger friendly, or are some just for legit massages? And is it like AMPS, where you signal your extracurricular intentions in various established signs? If so, how?.[/QUOTE]1- Clinica Caribe has been renamed to "Clinica Paulista", still in the same place. Did you signup at Gpguia? Look for "CLínica Paulista (ex- Caribe, ex-La Isla)"

2- Nope, just use the hotel right in the same building. I advise against this conduct of "bring the girl to your place.

3- Yup, you can use the funds to pay for drinks for everyone, not just girls.

4- Well, just choose the girl, ask for the price and "I want to 2 hours with you, how much it costs for me? Sometimes the girls will double the rate, sometimes 75%. Treat her well, and she will treat you right.

"Clinicas" is a good route for anyone concerned about security. "Boates" you will be OK inside. Outside not so much.

Hope it helps.

[QUOTE=CharmingIL;2348790]It's one of the best and most trustlabe websites in Sao Paulo. Obviously the pics must have some photoshop treatment but the girls are all verified.[/QUOTE]Ok I found a very cute one sasha in Jardins, actually loads but only messaged one and she wants 400 Real an hour so about $100 usd but she is so hot. It seems expensive for SP but wow so I will think about it.

It's the average price for Sao Paulo actually.

You can also find good ones for better prices at [URL]www.photoacompanhantes.com/[/URL] but then you got to be careful because there are plenty of scammers and fake ones in this website, so you got to do an good search.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2348934]Ok I found a very cute one sasha in Jardins, actually loads but only messaged one and she wants 400 Real an hour so about $100 usd but she is so hot. It seems expensive for SP but wow so I will think about it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2348825]The entry is R270 and they give you a little wristband with a number. Each time u order they make you sign and they note ur number. Yes it is credited against the 270 but it goes pretty quickly.

As to the room, you could walk to the Mercure. But the on-site rooms are only R190 and very convenient. Great mirrors on ceiling and walls. Worth it to me. Get your girls number if you really like her and have her to your hotel for a longer session the next day.

As far as service and time you need to negotiate beforehand. You can use google translate. I didn't discuss service with my first girl and got CBJ (boo) and my second we discussed BBBJ and CIM ahead. I have a small advantage speaking some Portuguese but I am sure google translate will work.

Full report forthcoming but hopefully this helps for now.[/QUOTE]Damn, that's quite expensive for Brazilian standards. If my math is correct, that's R460 right off the bat even before I get see the girl naked. That would more than cover a one hour session at 4 x4 or 3-4 sessions at clinicas / casa de massagems. I wouldn't go here on a normal basis, maybe once a week at the most.

The CBJ move by your first girl was definitely shady. I'd be OK with CBJ if it was a clinica girl. But for such a high end place, I wouldn't accept anything less than a complete service. Just goes to show you can't assume things even with the Brasileiras, especially at these high end places.

Looking forward to your full report. I have a good feeling its going to be great.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2348852]Is Cafe Photo that pricey or was it just the length of time. I did have a Casarao girl last year tell me she used to charge 1000 at Cafe Photo. Seems so high. My datapoints so far (and I'm sure there are those that will accuse me of overpaying) are: Scandallo 700. Bomboa 2 at 600 and 1 at 500. All were super good looking 8.5+ material.[/QUOTE]A price of 700 is too high, even for Scandallo. Should be more in line with 500 to 600. Went with a really gorgeous scandallo girl who started out asking for 800 (said that's what Japanese guys were paying her). Do I look Japanese to you LOL? We went up for 600, but I also had some 500 sessions with other hotties. One girl went as low as 400 (and invited me to go to a swing club in Moema with her). I declined on both counts as she was not my type, and definitely no more than a 6 (thus the lower asking price). You will pay less at the clinicas for sure. A lot less. But then, the girls at the clinicas aren't as hot. According to my tastes they on average just don't look as good. I have the clinica optics average at a 6 (just below my required minimum 7), whereas per my tastes the night boites average is an 8.

[QUOTE=CharmingIL;2348941]It's the average price for Sao Paulo actually.[/QUOTE]That would be about twice the average price, based on my actual, recent experience.

[QUOTE=TommyBr;2348894] Did you signup at Gpguia? Look for "Clinica Paulista (ex- Caribe, ex-La Isla)" [/QUOTE]Thank you for your insights.

Regarding [URL]Gpguia.net[/URL], I don't speak / read Portuguese, and so it seems of limited practicality to me, unless there is something I'm missing. Are there any sites like that in English?

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2348957]Damn, that's quite expensive for Brazilian standards.[/QUOTE]There isn't just one Brazilian standard. Most of the clients are Brazilians who can afford it.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2348957]If my math is correct, that's R460 right off the bat even before I get see the girl naked.[/QUOTE]

270 is for the drinks, food, the band and the house. It wouldn't be very good business plan to offer all that free. They have rents and salaries to pay. It also helps to keep wrong kind of people out.

Depends, depends. You can find girls in all prices. But in big websites like [URL]clubmodel.com.br[/URL] and [URL]splove.com.br[/URL] mostly good girls are charging this price. Between 300/400/500.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2349111]That would be about twice the average price, based on my actual, recent experience.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SnarkHunter;2349197]Thank you for your insights.

Regarding [URL]Gpguia.net[/URL], I don't speak / read Portuguese, and so it seems of limited practicality to me, unless there is something I'm missing. Are there any sites like that in English?[/QUOTE]Use Chrome with the google translate plugin.

[QUOTE=JibReach;2349292]Use Chrome with the google translate plugin.[/QUOTE]Obrigado! Very helpful.

So I landed late evening and the plan was to do both Bomboa and Scandallo. I'd have dinner at Bomboa and then hit Scandallo at midnight when it peaks. But as usual the best laid plans.

So I did start at Bomboa which is quite nearby. On arrival I paid the R270 fee and got my numbered wristband. They said "English?" and I said yes and they assigned me an English speaking maitre D and he was awesome the whole night. So attentive. All about customer service. Imagine Ricardo Montalband and Fantasy island. He's that guy.

At the time I entered the club -- maybe 830 - probably 50 girls and way less guys. All pretty in their own way but I have a certain type. By midnight I'd say there were over a hundred girls there.

So he puts me at a table and I run into another friendly guy right next to me and I kinda becomen his wingman since he speaks no Portugus. We decide to get a bottle of Malbec even though it's more expensive than by the glass so we can share it with girls. R400.

Of course all the girls give some eye contact but some are persistent. There is one latina with some black in her just giving me the constant stare while I sip. I keep having to avoid locking eyes. She is quite pretty but I am not ready yet. It's very distracting as I try to talk with my new friend.

Just sitting and sipping our Malbec when two girlfriends sit down with us.

The one that sits with me is so OMG my type that I am actually a little disappointed. Because I know I will go with her but was looking forward to the garota buffet. Jim's girl is not his type and she eventually moves on.

Rather than rush things and I have not eaten yet, I order the Salmon. It's really top notch and a reasonable R85. Just me my salmon my Malbec my girl and tons of eye candy. Ahhhhhh. Doesn't suck.

So after dinner I decide I will take my hottie up to the room and meet back with Jim later. She had asked 800 and we agreed 700. (Please spare me the I overpaid comments. I am still very happy with the price, tho I should have negotiated services.) More on this later.

You end up checking out at the front and go to the hotel next door. My bill was R540 with the wine and the Salmon. I gave Ricardo a tip but apparently you can't do this in full view. He had to give it to the club -- he coached me on this later.

So off Micela and I go to the hotel. It is literally 30 ft away. We stop for a smoke break which is nice and casual. Then up the stairs and pay the R190 hotel fee. Nice rooms. Big clean beds. Mirrors everywhere. Shower of course. Nice high end facility.

Once in the room I shower but she does not (? Doesn't bother me) And we start with some DFK. She is a strong kisser and it's very nice. I help her out of her dress and OMG she has a serious rack. She had it constrained by a bustier, but wow. Serious natural DD cups on a petite frame and lovely to play with. She informs me they are real to which I can only reply -- duh I know I have my hands on them right now!

So a nice slow start and we head to some BJ. She's got the condom out but I am waving her off. Even with sign language she clearly knows what I am saying but she is like sorry have to use it. OK that crossed her off my repeat list. Shame. She is a lovely girl.

I have to say we had super nice pussy fit in all positions. Did some DATY and 69 but still with condom. Boo. The hotel condom was lame so At some point we ditched it for my Okamoto 01. This was a ton better but still no chance of cumming without the BBBJ either before or after. I tried again for a by mouth finish but no dice.

So I ask her to roll on her back and I put her hand on her pussy. She gets the hint and starts working it. Some nice tight circles on her clit and quite a bit of finger in and out. It's very sexy and you can tell she is getting off.

I work myself by hand and looking at that work of art in front of me and bam bam a satisfying finish.

She showers alone (again a little disappointing) and I shower and we pack up. I do write her a little note on Google translate and say to have a girlfriend I see multiple times I need BBBJ. She says OK it was just this first time. From now on without. But she's kinda already killed my infatuation with the fact she went covered and would not back off. Do no plan to repeat with her.

That is OK. My next girl turns out to be every thing Micela was not. Still had a nice time and left plenty satisfied. Stay tuned.

You can do the same with whatsapp and set google translate to tap to translate, everytime you copy a message the google translate button come up in the corner, I hit that it opens translate, the I do new message, talk to text hit copy and paste the message. I have used it only in Colombia / equcador but it seems to do the same for portugese. It is very helpful.

[QUOTE=SnarkHunter;2349314]Obrigado! Very helpful.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2348852]Is Cafe Photo that pricey or was it just the length of time. I did have a Casarao girl last year tell me she used to charge 1000 at Cafe Photo. Seems so high. My datapoints so far (and I'm sure there are those that will accuse me of overpaying) are:

Scandallo 700. Bomboa 2 at 600 and 1 at 500. All were super good looking 8.5+ material.[/QUOTE]Yeah I was talking to her yesterday and she said that she goes there because they can charge more however she did not give me a time limit.

Steve,

Yeah that maitre'd is a bit of a pain in the ass. I had much the same experience and I was always a bit suspicious about giving him a tip in the kitchen or john but at the end of the day he was semi-useful and does make you feel like a baller. Next time at Bomboa I'd say nao obrigado tho.

But 700 for CBJ? Dude, you are losing your edge. I paid 600 for full on GFE including photos with my mulatta. I'll give you a mulligan because those garotas can cause a guy to lose his equilibrium, especially since you just got off the plane. Like you I'the just assume a girl would provide full GFE services. That she semi-scammed you, along with Ricardo's act makes me think Bomboa is seeing more than it's share of tourists. The cheesy Top 40 cover band is another tip off. Still I liked the overall vibe of the place and will return.

Look forward, as always, to your reports on Scandallo.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2349720]But 700 for CBJ? Dude, you are losing your edge. I paid 600 for full on GFE including photos with my mulatta. I'll give you a mulligan because those garotas can cause a guy to lose his equilibrium, especially since you just got off the plane. Like you I'the just assume a girl would provide full GFE services. That she semi-scammed you, along with Ricardo's act makes me think Bomboa is seeing more than it's share of tourists.[/QUOTE]The key is to ask for what you want up front (which he said he did not do) and negotiate. If the girl is all for it, great! And if not, then you have to decide how much you want her, and how much you're ready for some specific thing, such as BBBJ / CIM, anal, etc.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2348934]Ok I found a very cute one sasha in Jardins, actually loads but only messaged one and she wants 400 Real an hour so about $100 usd but she is so hot. It seems expensive for SP but wow so I will think about it.[/QUOTE]Not expensive, since you go to her place (flat). It's the price.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2349482]So I landed late evening and the plan was to do both Bomboa and Scandallo. I'd have dinner at Bomboa and then hit Scandallo at midnight when it peaks. But as usual the best laid plans.


She showers alone (again a little disappointing) and I shower and we pack up. I do write her a little note on Google translate and say to have a girlfriend I see multiple times I need BBBJ. She says OK it was just this first time. From now on without. But she's kinda already killed my infatuation with the fact she went covered and would not back off. Do no plan to repeat with her.

That is OK. My next girl turns out to be every thing Micela was not. Still had a nice time and left plenty satisfied. Stay tuned.[/QUOTE]Well, some girls in "boates" are kinda smarty ass. You have to negotiate and negotiate. And be firm about that.

And, about GFE in "boates" occur more in the 2nd or 3rd encounter.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2349482]So I did start at Bomboa which is quite nearby. On arrival I paid the R270 fee and got my numbered wristband. They said "English?" and I said yes and they assigned me an English speaking maitre D and he was awesome the whole night.

At the time I entered the club -- maybe 830 - probably 50 girls and way less guys. All pretty in their own way but I have a certain type. By midnight I'd say there were over a hundred girls there.

So off Micela and I go to the hotel. It is literally 30 ft away. We stop for a smoke break which is nice and casual. Then up the stairs and pay the R190 hotel fee. Nice rooms. Big clean beds. Mirrors everywhere. Shower of course. Nice high end facility.

That is OK. My next girl turns out to be every thing Micela was not. Still had a nice time and left plenty satisfied. Stay tuned.[/QUOTE]Great report Steve, makes me feel like I'm actually there myself (well, almost). Lots of info for me to digest. I can't wait to check it out when I return to SP! Can you clarify a few things in your report?

1) Are you always assigned a maitre'd or can it be refused?

2) Which days are the best to go? Would there be more girls on Thursdays and Fridays than Mondays and Tuesdays?

3) Is the hotel you mentioned a part of the boate? Can I take the girl to my own place and skip that hotel?

I'm pretty sure this Micela girl would've given you a BBBJ if you repeated with her. But with hundreds of girls to choose from, its nothing to lose sleep over with. The good thing is BBBJ is the norm rather than the exception in Brasil.

Looking forward to your next report.

Hey,

Just wondering what day would be best to go to Scandallo during the week. I want there to be a good amount of girls but at the same time not crowded with guys.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2350078]Great report Steve, makes me feel like I'm actually there myself (well, almost). Lots of info for me to digest. I can't wait to check it out when I return to SP! Can you clarify a few things in your report?

1) Are you always assigned a maitre'd or can it be refused?

2) Which days are the best to go? Would there be more girls on Thursdays and Fridays than Mondays and Tuesdays?

3) Is the hotel you mentioned a part of the boate? Can I take the girl to my own place and skip that hotel?

I'm pretty sure this Micela girl would've given you a BBBJ if you repeated with her. But with hundreds of girls to choose from, its nothing to lose sleep over with. The good thing is BBBJ is the norm rather than the exception in Brasil.

Looking forward to your next report.[/QUOTE]I wasn't assigned a maitre'd when I visited Bomboa.

So recall I'd finished a nice but not spectacular round with Micela. A real cutie with a great voluptuous body. After we part ways I head back into Bomboa. When I had exited earlier they gave me two receipt cards. One for free entry that night and one for free entry on another day in the next week.

So when I got back they hooked me up with a new wristband number and Ricardo instantly appeared. Ever the gentleman, he informs me that Jim is not back down yet but should not be long (we had agreed to meet back up). He says the bar will be the most comfortable place to wait.

He sets me up a Jack and Coke and I conclude it is a great place to wait. There is the bar itself but all the stools are taken. And there is a half wall between the bar and the club where you can stand and take in all the eye candy. So I sip my drink and I wait.

I am approached by a very pleasant looking girl with great English but not my type. After chatting a bit I don't want to keep her so I say I am just waiting for a friend and not going to the room again. She is disappointed but puts her number in my phone even tho I don't ask.

As time passes, two seats open up at the bar. I take one and this other girl takes the one next to me. Since I am not in the market (planned to go to Scandallo for round 2) I don't pay too much attention to how she looks.

Well it turns out she looks GREAT which I discover as she engages me. She speaks very little English but has a beautiful face and dynamite smile. She got my attention by whispering to me "I love to suck" followed a few seconds later with "I want to suck you". OK not much English but she knows the important stuff! And following my CBJ disappointment my interest is piqued-- tho I still plan to bail.

She must sense my reluctance because she puts on the full court press. The proper way IMO. She sets about seducing me. And succeeds! First she just lightly kisses my neck and ears while pressing against me. Then a full on mouth kiss with DFK. We start making out pretty good and she can kiss. She's a tall girl so mish-kissing would be on the menu if I cave.

She's already got me pretty worked up and she can feel my stiffy growing. No shy wallflower, she puts her hand right on it and starts surreptitiously stroking me while we make out, with her hand hidden between us. Of course I am a lightweight for this kinda stuff and start thinking about a room. Wisened up, I whisper "blowjob sem camisa" (without condom) YES BABY. And "leite na boca" (milk in mouth. CIM) OF COURSE BABY. Nice! She asks R800 and we agree R700. (NB for HB - $25 means absolutely nothing to me)

Jim is still not back and I say we have to wait. This turns out to be great because we just make out like teenagers while waiting. Eventually all the cock rubbing takes its toll and I say Jim can take care of himself. Let's go! Exit fee this time is R150 for two jack and cokes and an appletini for Rafaela.

Hotel check-in is the same and R190 fee. Oh this reminds me. I had used a private card to charge the earlier Bomboa tab and it's listed on my card as a Churrascaria! S that's a nice touch.

In the room she is way more girlfriendy than Micela. Some great kissing and then offers a joint shower. Like Micela, she had been hiding a huge natural set behind a bustier. Don't know why they do that but a set of spectacular natural DeeCup tits spill out when unleashed.

This reminds me. Both Micela and Rafaela are from Rio -- just like the famous Thifany. I don't know what they are doing up there but they should keep fucking and producing babes like this! This I think also speaks to the demise of the Rio scene. Why would these showstopping hotties commute to So Paulo otherwise?

After the shower she puts me on my back on the bed and straddles me while kissing me deeply. Her pussy perilously close to my junk in a tantalizing way. Well it's no lie that she loves to suck because she goes down and does a great job, sem camisa, of course. Not the best ever but very credible and gets me worked to a good state.

One of the most indelable images from our time together is her riding cowgirl. It's either the top one or two cowgirl visuals in my mental slideshow (Fortune being the other). She has her hands on my chest as she rides and those magical tits are pushed together in the most alluring way. And she's moaning and sighing with her gorgeous lips slightly parted. Hair cascading everywhere. Nice!

When we switch to Mish it's really really good. Great pussy feel and lots of mish-kissing. She seems to really be into it as we can't always kiss because she is going "oh oh oh oh" in time with my thrusts, her mouth a perfect oval of perfect lips with a little teeth showing.

Honestly I've found of late that one of the best ways to cum during a busy week of girls is to focus on her mouth when in cowgirl and Mish. Sure enough just watching her ohohohohoh as I thrust is just somehow gorgeous and sure enough I cum in Mish.

Again joint shower. And she asks where I am staying. My hotel is just a few blocks from where she stays so I say I will walk her home. This is very nice as we walk hand in hand up the street for several blocks where I bid her goodnight. Sweet sweet girl and darn naughty with a banging body. Would repeat.

Stay tuned boys. Three more girls in SP and an epic multi day event in BA still to come...

So there are two principal types of venues in So Paulo: The Boate. At Night and the Clinica during the day. There are widely varying reports here on the CLnicas so I thought I best check it out. I had been to Tangar last year and while pleasant enough, my taste tends to run to the luxe side and Tangar is not that. It's very adequate facilities but nothing more.

So I chose Abbobora as the most high end looking by web surfing standards. And it was a great choice.

Upon arrival you may be a little confused because there is no Abbobora sign. There is a Shiga sign and a long hall to what you assume is a Japanese restaurant. This is the place. Continue down the hall and the receptionist will greet you. A little Portuguese is very helpful. It's R270 payable in advance. This is high for a Clinica but completely justified by the venue, as you will see.

After paying we are walked back down the hall and across another small hall to where the presentation is done. Here you sit in a nice lobby and leather lounge chair where the girls are presented one by one. You need to do a bubble sort in your head as they come -- like oh I like Bianca best, next, ok still Bianca, next, still Bianca, next Ok Taina is top spot, next. And s on. Don't be too drunk it takes concentration! 😀.

Let me tell you anyone who says you won't find someone to your liking at Abbobora is insane. Maybe I got lucky going around 6 on a Friday but I was pleasantly surprised. There were ten or so girls all doable in a pinch but I would say seven were very good and five exceptional. In the end I chose Taina.

Taina is a young inexperienced girl and you could see that from the outset. 20 years old MAX. More likely 18. Super cute in her hot pants with just a touch of baby fat as she is transitioning from girl to woman. Definitely fresh and young. I thought this might be a fun change of pace and I was right.

P.S. I guess you can negotiate services during the parade but that seems very awkward and didn't occur to me. So the experience was as expected of a very young woman.

So they bring me back to reception. And I ask if there is anywhere I can get a drink beforehand. They say I should spend no more than ten minutes to not keep the girl waiting but show me to the upstairs bar. Wow! Small but swanky. Leather chairs and couches marble and granite everywhere. Abbobora is luxe throughout. In retrospect I would probably do this backwards next time -- enjoy some unrushed lounge time and then pick a girl.

I have a Jack and Coke which is R40 as I recall and Taina shows about 10 minutes later. Wowza! And I take my drink with me as she shows me to our room. Again super nice. You can see pics of the rooms and the bar and all on their website. They are spot on.

In the room she is as shy as you might expect an 18 year old newbie to be. A little kissing because she knows she is supposed to but often burying her face in my neck and shoulder area as we sway to the music. This does not bother me as it is exactly as I expect. I will be a gentleman (always am) and go at her pace.

She showers then I shower and we get on the bed together. I don't remember all the details. I am four girls behind on my reporting! The highlight was being very tender with her and working her very slowly by mouth, where she built up super slow. Very small noises and could tell she was enjoying it but a super slow build. So I was probably down there for ten or so minutes and decide to work her by hand. She doesn't want FIV deep but her slot is plenty slippery and I need to work her clit anyhow.

So I use my index finger and start working her in circles and back and forth with a little up and down the slit mixed in with (love that personally). Her clit is a little buried but I find the bump by feel and figure out she likes the back and forth more. So I work this for another ten minutes maybe (it's making me very hard watching and listening!) And we work up to a good strong O. She clamps her thighs closed on my hand like a vice! I work a bit more as she shudders through it but eventually she has to move my hand as she closes it out.

Wowzer that was fun. There is sex in a couple positions and she masturbated some more for me as I finish (again no BBBJ sets me back) but really the whole session was about making this coming-of-age young woman get off in a powerful way. It was really great and just as I hoped going in.

We wrap things up get an Uber and on to my later adventures at Scandallo that night. Stay tuned.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2350478]Upon arrival you may be a little confused because there is no Abbobora sign. There is a Shiga sign and a long hall to what you assume is a Japanese restaurant. This is the place. Continue down the hall and the receptionist will greet you. A little Portuguese is very helpful. It's R270 payable in advance. This is high for a Clinica but completely justified by the venue, as you will see.

P.S. I guess you can negotiate services during the parade but that seems very awkward and didn't occur to me. So the experience was as expected of a very young woman.

We wrap things up get an Uber and on to my later adventures at Scandallo that night. Stay tuned.[/QUOTE]Steve, you cannot negotiate nothing on the parade. Take the negotiation for the room, it will be more pleasant for both parties. But are $ 270 is fair for "clinica pacote". Little or no massage + BJ + intercourse + CIF or COHT.

Above that we have Clinica Oro, Clinica Lotus, but it will cost a lot more. Fixed rate for the Clinica (250+), and a plus masseusse (200+). The installations are even more sophisticated, the girls more pretty etc etc. You have what you pay for.

[QUOTE=TommyBr;2350533]Steve, you cannot negotiate nothing on the parade. Take the negotiation for the room, it will be more pleasant for both parties. But are $ 270 is fair for "clinica pacote". Little or no massage + BJ + intercourse + CIF or COHT.

Above that we have Clinica Oro, Clinica Lotus, but it will cost a lot more. Fixed rate for the Clinica (250+), and a plus masseusse (200+). The installations are even more sophisticated, the girls more pretty etc etc. You have what you pay for.[/QUOTE]You can always ask to speak to the girl you like to see if she does what you want in a session before going with her to the room. I always do so and have never been told I couldn't speak to the girl.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2350478]
Wowzer that was fun. There is sex in a couple positions and she masturbated some more for me as I finish (again no BBBJ sets me back) [/QUOTE]1) Yes I have mixed feelings about Abobora. Beautiful girls is a plus. Covered BJ is a huge minus. Girls are unrushed and friendly, and actually one slept on my shoulder for about half an hour, which was nice, that's also a plus.

2) Steve9696, your inbox is full.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2350764]1) Yes I have mixed feelings about Abobora. Beautiful girls is a plus. Covered BJ is a huge minus. Girls are unrushed and friendly, and actually one slept on my shoulder for about half an hour, which was nice, that's also a plus.

2) Steve9696, your inbox is full.[/QUOTE]Mailbox is cleared. I am behind on reports and will catch up soon. Two great Scandallo reports to come. But mostly I am smitten by my new "girlfriend" in Argentina. We spent the better portion of three days together. And it was beyond epic. I can't share all the details here but will try to summarize the high points.

Plus two more visits upcoming. Stay tuned.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2350609]You can always ask to speak to the girl you like to see if she does what you want in a session before going with her to the room. I always do so and have never been told I couldn't speak to the girl.[/QUOTE]Asking discreetly = OK.

Asking ostensibly = asking for trouble.

You could speak with the girl, of course! But try to ask "e ai, me chupa sem camisinha ou andão" (hey, do you suck my dick without condom or what?) in a loud voice. You're asking for trouble. In a "Boate" it's ok, anyway. But in "clinicas" it's a huge NO NO.

Some "high end" clinicas, in theory, you cannot have sex, just massage (LOL) but you can find a way ("Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac" indeed).

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2350764]1) Yes I have mixed feelings about Abobora. Beautiful girls is a plus. Covered BJ is a huge minus. Girls are unrushed and friendly, and actually one slept on my shoulder for about half an hour, which was nice, that's also a plus.[/QUOTE]I have mixed feelings about SP's clinicas in general. Since Steve mentioned Abbobora, I will use it as my example.

Abbobora is top notch in terms of its facilities in SP and there are very few casas de massagem in Rio that can match its hardware. In fact, I can safely say most clinicas beat out casas de massagem. One of the most annoying thing I hate about most of the casas de massagem in Centro Rio is how little privacy their "rooms" offer. Most are nothing more than cubicles which are separated by cheap partitions that does not not offer any soundproofing. I can't speak for other guys but I don't want to hear another guy fucking his girl when I'm trying to concentrate on my girl. Another advantage of an actual room is the convenience of an in-room shower. Trust me, you will take that for granted until you are forced to walk down the hall to take a shower. And even the low end clinicas in SP will have in-room showers. The only casa de massagem that I found comparable to SP's clinicas is Copa 583.

In terms of lineup quality, Abbobora has one of the best in both SP and Rio. The girls are well mannered and professional, which is not a bad thing. But for me personally, they are a little too professional. What I mean by that is they will do all the services we expect from a clinica girl (good attitude, kissing, BBBJ, intercourse) but all in a less natural manner. And I find that to be the norm with the a lot of the clinica girls. Speaking from personal experience, I was given more GFE from girls in Rio's casas de massagem than with girls in SP's clinicas.

On the topic of CBJ. I think it has to do more with the individual girl rather than a specific clinica / casa de massagem. Of the 4 sessions I had at Abbobora, all 4 of the girls gave me BBBJ. Of course I had girls who I sessioned with who gave me CBJ. But I found in most cases, the girls were newbies.

[QUOTE=TommyBr;2350851]
You could speak with the girl, of course! But try to ask "e ai, me chupa sem camisinha ou ando" (hey, do you suck my dick without condom or what?) in a loud voice. You're asking for trouble. In a "Boate" it's ok, anyway. But in "clinicas" it's a huge NO NO.[/QUOTE]Wrong. It's a standard query in a clinica and the girls have a standard response, typically: "Yes, if you're clean. " If you don't ask, you are at risk of being treated like an outsider and given a CBJ.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2350948]
On the topic of CBJ. I think it has to do more with the individual girl rather than a specific clinica / casa de massagem. Of the 4 sessions I had at Abbobora, all 4 of the girls gave me BBBJ. Of course I had girls who I sessioned with who gave me CBJ. But I found in most cases, the girls were newbies.[/QUOTE]This is super useful. I'll explore more of Abbobora next time.

[QUOTE=TommyBr;2350851]............Some "high end" clinicas, in theory, you cannot have sex, just massage (LOL) but you can find a way ("Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac" indeed).[/QUOTE]Where there's a windfall there's a way.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2350960]Wrong. It's a standard query in a clinica and the girls have a standard response, typically: "Yes, if you're clean. " If you don't ask, you are at risk of being treated like an outsider and given a CBJ.[/QUOTE]But if there are any undercover cop in the same room you're looking for trouble. At least going to police station for "esclarecimentos". Did you know that "clinicas de massagem" and "privês" are raided by the police with some frequency?

One thing. I'm here to contribute and to past some time, but always stay safe. You're not in your home turf.

Act smart, don't be the "gringo in the newspapers" or in the "police station" calling at least some friend or lawyer for being in the wrong place and hour.

I have confirmation I will be in Sampa Aug 7-11th along with the details. A couple of specific questions.

1) I will be staying at George V Branca Casa near Oscar Freire. Does anyone know if this hotel is girl friendly? In general are these sorts of hotels girl friendly and is there any procedure I need to know about. Girls checking in etc?

2) Ideally I would like to do my first dupla at the hotel. I have identified reviewed pairs on the Portuguese forums that interest me I plan to contact. Bad idea to have them to my hotel? Any recommendations from experience would be appreciated. (Still working to get my box here paid for and set up). Also, is 4 hands in the clinicas just code for dupla or is there something else I have to negotiate? My thought is I would prefer girls that enjoy and are practiced in dupla instead of some random clinical pairing.

3) Final question. While plan on hitting a clinica I also. Am. Intrigued by the escort boards. If I stick with verified and reviewed GPS with videos on sites like photoaccompahantes and do the normal checks will I likely get what is advertised or is the risk of scam and headache still too high?

I don't think I will do a boates this time. I am interviewing for a job and be near the office and I would prefer to try these when I am settled and I have more context.

Thanks for any help. Reports will be forthcoming.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2351635]I have confirmation I will be in Sampa Aug 7-11th along with the details. A couple of specific questions.

1) I will be staying at George V Branca Casa near Oscar Freire. Does anyone know if this hotel is girl friendly? In general are these sorts of hotels girl friendly and is there any procedure I need to know about. Girls checking in etc?

2) Ideally I would like to do my first dupla at the hotel. I have identified reviewed pairs on the Portuguese forums that interest me I plan to contact. Bad idea to have them to my hotel? Any recommendations from experience would be appreciated. (Still working to get my box here paid for and set up). Also, is 4 hands in the clinicas just code for dupla or is there something else I have to negotiate? My thought is I would prefer girls that enjoy and are practiced in dupla instead of some random clinical pairing..[/QUOTE]1) I will be staying at George V Branca Casa near Oscar Freire. Does anyone know if this hotel is girl friendly? In general are these sorts of hotels girl friendly and is there any procedure I need to know about. Girls checking in etc?

Although I live very close I have no idea if this hotel is girl-friendly.

2) Ideally I would like to do my first dupla at the hotel. I have identified reviewed pairs on the Portuguese forums that interest me I plan to contact. Bad idea to have them to my hotel? Any recommendations from experience would be appreciated. (Still working to get my box here paid for and set up). Also, is 4 hands in the clinicas just code for dupla or is there something else I have to negotiate? My thought is I would prefer girls that enjoy and are practiced in dupla instead of some random clinical pairing.

I would suggest to do it at a Clínica, paricullary red massagens and clinica Tangara.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2351635]I have confirmation I will be in Sampa Aug 7-11th along with the details. A couple of specific questions.

1) I will be staying at George V Branca Casa near Oscar Freire. Does anyone know if this hotel is girl friendly? In general are these sorts of hotels girl friendly and is there any procedure I need to know about. Girls checking in etc?

2) Ideally I would like to do my first dupla at the hotel. I have identified reviewed pairs on the Portuguese forums that interest me I plan to contact. Bad idea to have them to my hotel? Any recommendations from experience would be appreciated. (Still working to get my box here paid for and set up). Also, is 4 hands in the clinicas just code for dupla or is there something else I have to negotiate? My thought is I would prefer girls that enjoy and are practiced in dupla instead of some random clinical pairing.

3) Final question. While plan on hitting a clinica I also..[/QUOTE]I haven't stayed there but I do stay at the 5 star hotels. I have never had a problem. I have never registered a girl. I meet them in the lobby and go where we go. No questions. They are, though, inevitably dressed appropriately for the hotel. One Sunday morning I did see an issue with one guy trying to bring in two at 6:00 am. But they were dressed like street walkers.

For escorts, look around on twitter. Follow [URL]https://twitter.com/xxxLogan_x[/URL] and [URL]https://twitter.com/AndarilhoGP.[/URL] Both very well respected by the women. See who you like and contact them. Some speak English or use google translate. Ask them about duplas. You'll quickly find that these women are legitimate. Cost is 400/500 an hour.

Job Reach.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2351635]I have confirmation I will be in Sampa Aug 7-11th along with the details. A couple of specific questions.

1) I will be staying at George V Branca Casa near Oscar Freire. Does anyone know if this hotel is girl friendly? In general are these sorts of hotels girl friendly and is there any procedure I need to know about. Girls checking in etc?

2) Ideally I would like to do my first dupla at the hotel. I have identified reviewed pairs on the Portuguese forums that interest me I plan to contact. Bad idea to have them to my hotel? Any recommendations from experience would be appreciated. (Still working to get my box here paid for and set up). Also, is 4 hands in the clinicas just code for dupla or is there something else I have to negotiate? My thought is I would prefer girls that enjoy and are practiced in dupla instead of some random clinical pairing..[/QUOTE]1) I will be staying at George V Branca Casa near Oscar Freire. Does anyone know if this hotel is girl friendly? In general are these sorts of hotels girl friendly and is there any procedure I need to know about. Girls checking in etc?

I live very close to this hotel, I don't know about been girls friendly but seems to be a very family type hotel. Go to a clinica and do the dupla there.

2) Ideally I would like to do my first dupla at the hotel. I have identified reviewed pairs on the Portuguese forums that interest me I plan to contact. Bad idea to have them to my hotel? Any recommendations from experience would be appreciated. (Still working to get my box here paid for and set up). Also, is 4 hands in the clinicas just code for dupla or is there something else I have to negotiate? My thought is I would prefer girls that enjoy and are practiced in dupla instead of some random clinical pairing.

If you are near to your working buddies I don't think there will be wise to take two girls to your room. A clinica will be your best choice, Red ay, VANÍS way and Tangara, near to Av. Paulista and Kamna massagens and Enjoy spa in Moema you will have many options. But ask the receptionist fot a recommendation of a good dupla. Tangara has English speaking receptionists.

3) Final question. While plan on hitting a clinica I also. Am. Intrigued by the escort boards. If I stick with verified and reviewed GPS with videos on sites like photoaccompahantes and do the normal checks will I likely get what is advertised or is the risk of scam and headache still too high?

I'm not a fan of hiring a girl from these escort boards. Chances of scam are especially greater if you don't speak Portuguese.

PM me if you have any further questions.

ABG.

So I arrive Scandallo about 11 on a Friday. I'd only seen it before on a Saturday and for sure it is more packed Friday. Girls absolutely everywhere. 200 girls? Who's counting. Let's just say more pretty girls on display for the taking than anywhere else in the world (that I know of).

I start with a Red Bull and Vodka to get my energy level up. Bear in mind that its just like Russia. They charge you separately for the alcohol and the mixer. So a Red Bull Vodka is a heart stopping R50+R60 or about $27 USD (Scandallo is not for the faint of heart. But you can cut your bill in half easily by drinking neat or on the rocks. Nonetheless a bar bill of $150, which is pretty easy to arrive at, is not going to break me. Just be prepared for the amount you spend on drinks and the amount spent on the girl to be pretty close! Someone has to pay for all the glitz and glam you are enjoying.

The room where the main bar and band are is totally packed. You can see a ton of garotas per step but it's often almost overwhelming. Sometimes I hang at the back where it's a little slower and sometimes up near the stage.

While in the back, I see a guy who is with a super pretty slim tall girl maybe 5' 10". Looks like they are negotiating but she walks off. Come to find out she wanted R1000 and was not coming down. So obviously some girls are trying to hold the line despite discussion in here.

When I want to chill a bit and avoid the crush I go to the outside patio. When I am out here about an hour after arrival I am starting to think about moving on some action. As luck would have it a tall dirty blond with really pretty lips and smile approaches. Even though she is not quite my usual type there is something sexy about her and we get on well doing some solid DFK there at the table and convincing me she is a passionate girl. Can't recall if it was R700 we agreed or R600. Probably R700 because I recall most girls at Scandallo and Bomboa asking R800 as a starting price and I don't try to push them down too much. They are cream of the crop girls in a luxe venue.

In the room she is really sweet and attentive. Unfortunately I am late writing this up so I don't recall all the details. I do recall she kisses great and the Mish kissing was really good. And she must have done something right because she coaxed a shot when I had just been at Abbobora a couple hours ago.

So we shower and I head back to the club (she may well head out having bagged her fish). I don't really have a third shot in me and a long week ahead but I love the spectacle and just enjoy myself in the club for another hour or so.

Must be maybe 3 AM by now, when a pretty girl in a white form fitting dress approaches. She is very friendly with near perfect English. We had spent time together early on but she had on a bit much makeup for me with the big false lashes. But she's great to talk to and a welcome break from the brain strain of 100% Portugus.

She confesses later after sex (stay tuned!) that she kinda stalked me. She had seen me enter the club, worked her way over to me, chatted me up and was really disappointed when I moved on. So she was thrilled to see me back to give her another shot. I have to say it feels kinda good to know I was worth stalking.

But I am not really in the market. I tell her quite clearly that I would love to dance and make out but cannot go to the room again. I can't recall if I tell her or she is just confident in her seduction skills but my plan is to give her R100 or 200 to just be my girlfriend on the floor for an hour.

Either way it works out great because Josy is all mine. She is a good dancer and teaching me the one left two right and we are drinking and dancing away. It doesn't take long before we are DFKing like lovers and she is really good. Honestly I could drink and dance and DFK all night. The three Ds.

As we take dance breaks from time to time I sit on my bar stool and she pushed up tight against me. Then maybe a half hour in, First when facing me and later when backed up to me she puts her hand between us where you can't see and starts rubbing my cock. Yes right in the club at Scandallo. And then ups the ante and with her hand behind her back puts her hand down my pants and starts some nice stroking. OK you win baby.

So I do ask her price and it being late night she offers 600 and me being not in a must-go situation say 500 would be fine and she agrees. Sure guys I bet she would have gone for even less and you are welcome to try your luck. But for me I am already thrilled to get a girl like this for $125! What? That is crazy!

The in room experience is GREAT. Some girls are pleasers and wow is Josy a pleaser. Very gentle undressing me, nice joint shower (veggie but pleasant) and a BBBJ to die for. Great Mish kissing nice cowgirl. Really the full package. I am concerned I can't pull a third rabbit out of the hat but she is persistent and stays downstairs for a good 15 minutes. She's mixing in great BLS and we are alternating her and me doing HJ while she BLS's. Wow that is a good combo and sure enough the magician succeeds! I am truly surprised and spent. What a girl.

We wrap after that and it's a good 5 AM by then. Zowee! Later she sends me a few body pics -- almost perfect -- with those Brasileira tan lines. Wow.

So a great night. Pretty sure it was R700+R500+R200+R200+R440=R2040.

Or about $500 for 2 girls, rooms, and drinks over 6 hour period. A damn bargain by my standards and a whale of a time!

Questions at clinicas.

1. During the initial "parade," is the conversation more than just the girl telling you their name? Or can you discuss specific possibilities or otherwise chat to test the chemistry?

2. Is it permitted to write notes during this initial session? I've only been to a place once before that had the parade, and I struggled to remember names.

3. If two providers are to be selected, is it customary / considered good strategy to first choose your favorite and then let her choose a partner?

4. Do any clinicas offer nuru massage?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2351954]So I arrive Scandallo about 11 on a Friday. I'd only seen it before on a Saturday and for sure it is more packed Friday. Girls absolutely everywhere. 200 girls? Who's counting. Let's just say more pretty girls on display for the taking than anywhere else in the world (that I know of).

While in the back, I see a guy who is with a super pretty slim tall girl maybe 5' 10". Looks like they are negotiating but she walks off. Come to find out she wanted R1000 and was not coming down. So obviously some girls are trying to hold the line despite discussion in here.

As we take dance breaks from time to time I sit on my bar stool and she pushed up tight against me. Then maybe a half hour in, First when facing me and later when backed up to me she puts her hand between us where you can't see and starts rubbing my cock. Yes right in the club at Scandallo. And then ups the ante and with her hand behind her back puts her hand down my pants and starts some nice stroking. OK you win baby.

So I do ask her price and it being late night she offers 600 and me being not in a must-go situation say 500 would be fine and she agrees. Sure guys I bet she would have gone for even less and you are welcome to try your luck. But for me I am already thrilled to get a girl like this for $125! What? That is crazy![/QUOTE]Great on the ground reporting again!

It would be absolutely worthwhile just to be able to see 200+ ready to fuck hotties in one place. No doubt it would be hard to commit to one girl LOL. I'd imagine for most of these girls, with supply greater than demand, are going home each night empty handed. Great insight about your second pull. I'm happy to hear that girls can be pulled for R500 at Scandallo! I'd imagine if one plays all of his cards right (wait until very late to pull, targeting desperate girls, and promising future repeats) he may even score a deal for R400.

[QUOTE=SnarkHunter;2351962]

1. During the initial "parade," is the conversation more than just the girl telling you their name? Or can you discuss specific possibilities or otherwise chat to test the chemistry?
[/QUOTE]I think this has been answered just recently. Check post #10303.

[QUOTE=SnarkHunter;2351962]Questions at clinicas.

1. During the initial "parade," is the conversation more than just the girl telling you their name? Or can you discuss specific possibilities or otherwise chat to test the chemistry?

2. Is it permitted to write notes during this initial session? I've only been to a place once before that had the parade, and I struggled to remember names.

3. If two providers are to be selected, is it customary / considered good strategy to first choose your favorite and then let her choose a partner?

4. Do any clinicas offer nuru massage?[/QUOTE]I can attempt to answer:

1) In most cases, during the presentation, each girl mainly just kiss you on the cheek and tell you her name and that's it. In Rio however, I have experienced in some casas de massagem where the girls also tell you all the services that she provides. Some girls can even get very touchy! I have yet to experience this in SP's clinicas. If you see a potential, I suggest you ask the receptionist if you can speak to the girl so you can ask her a few quick questions. I can tell you, along with other veterans here, that you needn't worry about chemistry too much with Brazilian women. Almost all are very passionate in bed and will deliver great GFE or PSE sessions.

2) I know exactly what you mean LOL! I had no issue using my phone during the presentation. So you can use your phone or the old pen and paper form to write down whatever you like. Alternatively, you can kindly ask the receptionist if you can see the lineup again. Most will have no problem with your request. One time in Rio, I ran into an american who forgot the name of the girl he wanted so the receptionist brought all the girls back into the room for him to see. It was quite special to see all the girls line'd up side by side!

4) These clinica girls will do whatever you like them to do, provided that she agrees to your request. From my personal experience, I have had some girls at the beginning of the session (usually one hour sessions) ask me if I want a fully body massage first then sex. So while there aren't any clinicas that specialize in nuru massage, you can certainly request that with the girls.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2351954]So I arrive Scandallo about 11 on a Friday. I'd only seen it before on a Saturday and for sure it is more packed Friday. Girls absolutely everywhere. 200 girls? Who's counting. Let's just say more pretty girls on display for the taking than anywhere else in the world (that I know of).

I start with a Red Bull and Vodka to get my energy level up. Bear in mind that its just like Russia. They charge you separately for the alcohol and the mixer. So a Red Bull Vodka is a heart stopping R50+R60 or about $27 USD (Scandallo is not for the faint of heart. But you can cut your bill in half easily by drinking neat or on the rocks. Nonetheless a bar bill of $150, which is pretty easy to arrive at, is not going to break me. Just be prepared for the amount you spend on drinks and the amount spent on the girl to be pretty close! Someone has to pay for all the glitz and glam you are enjoying.

The room where the main bar and band are is totally packed. You can see a ton of garotas per step but it's often almost overwhelming. Sometimes I hang at the back where it's a little slower and sometimes up near the stage.

While in the back, I see a guy who is with a super pretty slim tall girl maybe 5' 10". Looks like they are negotiating but she walks off. Come to find out she wanted R1000 and was not coming down. So obviously some girls are trying to hold the line despite discussion in here.

When I want to chill a bit and avoid the crush I go to the outside patio. When I am out here about an hour after arrival I am starting to think about moving on some action. As luck would have it a tall dirty blond with really pretty lips and smile approaches. Even though she is not quite my usual type there is something sexy about her and we get on well doing some solid DFK there at the table and convincing me she is a passionate girl. Can't recall if it was R700 we agreed or R600. Probably R700 because I recall most girls at Scandallo and Bomboa asking R800 as a starting price and I don't try to push them down too much. They are cream of the crop girls in a luxe venue.

In the room she is really sweet and attentive. Unfortunately I am late writing this up so I don't recall all the details. I do recall she kisses great and the Mish kissing was really good. And she must have done something right because she coaxed a shot when I had just been at Abbobora a couple hours ago.

So we shower and I head back to the club (she may well head out having bagged her fish). I don't really have a third shot in me and a long week ahead but I love the spectacle and just enjoy myself in the club for another hour or so.

Must be maybe 3 AM by now, when a pretty girl in a white form fitting dress approaches. She is very friendly with near perfect English. We had spent time together early on but she had on a bit much makeup for me with the big false lashes. But she's great to talk to and a welcome break from the brain strain of 100% Portugus.

She confesses later after sex (stay tuned!) that she kinda stalked me. She had seen me enter the club, worked her way over to me, chatted me up and was really disappointed when I moved on. So she was thrilled to see me back to give her another shot. I have to say it feels kinda good to know I was worth stalking.

But I am not really in the market. I tell her quite clearly that I would love to dance and make out but cannot go to the room again. I can't recall if I tell her or she is just confident in her seduction skills but my plan is to give her R100 or 200 to just be my girlfriend on the floor for an hour.

Either way it works out great because Josy is all mine. She is a good dancer and teaching me the one left two right and we are drinking and dancing away. It doesn't take long before we are DFKing like lovers and she is really good. Honestly I could drink and dance and DFK all night. The three Ds.

As we take dance breaks from time to time I sit on my bar stool and she pushed up tight against me. Then maybe a half hour in, First when facing me and later when backed up to me she puts her hand between us where you can't see and starts rubbing my cock. Yes right in the club at Scandallo. And then ups the ante and with her hand behind her back puts her hand down my pants and starts some nice stroking. OK you win baby.

So I do ask her price and it being late night she offers 600 and me being not in a must-go situation say 500 would be fine and she agrees. Sure guys I bet she would have gone for even less and you are welcome to try your luck. But for me I am already thrilled to get a girl like this for $125! What? That is crazy!

The in room experience is GREAT. Some girls are pleasers and wow is Josy a pleaser. Very gentle undressing me, nice joint shower (veggie but pleasant) and a BBBJ to die for. Great Mish kissing nice cowgirl. Really the full package. I am concerned I can't pull a third rabbit out of the hat but she is persistent and stays downstairs for a good 15 minutes. She's mixing in great BLS and we are alternating her and me doing HJ while she BLS's. Wow that is a good combo and sure enough the magician succeeds! I am truly surprised and spent. What a girl.

We wrap after that and it's a good 5 AM by then. Zowee! Later she sends me a few body pics -- almost perfect -- with those Brasileira tan lines.
So a great night. Pretty sure it was R700+R500+R200+R200+R440=R2040.

Or about $500 for 2 girls, rooms, and drinks over 6 hour period. A damn bargain by my standards and a whale of a time![/QUOTE]Curious because I'm planning trip in November in the boates the fee is for an hour or the time.

Is negotiable? And how long is the room rental? Glad you having a great time.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2352006]Curious because I'm planning trip in November in the boates the fee is for an hour or the time.

Is negotiable? And how long is the room rental? Glad you having a great time.[/QUOTE]The room is the part that is hourly not the girl. Though you might want to discuss it upfront if you plan two hours for example.

If you run over the room time they start fining you. It was R50 for ten minutes over last year. Did not go over this year.

I should mention two other things. The rooms at Scandallo have a little revolving drinks door so you can order in private any time. And the rooms have been massively upgraded. Granite and marble everywhere and dual showers which is nice.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2351635]I have confirmation I will be in Sampa Aug 7-11th along with the details. A couple of specific questions.

1) I will be staying at George V Branca Casa near Oscar Freire. Does anyone know if this hotel is girl friendly? In general are these sorts of hotels girl friendly and is there any procedure I need to know about. Girls checking in etc?

2) Ideally I would like to do my first dupla at the hotel. I have identified reviewed pairs on the Portuguese forums that interest me I plan to contact. Bad idea to have them to my hotel? Any recommendations from experience would be appreciated. (Still working to get my box here paid for and set up). Also, is 4 hands in the clinicas just code for dupla or is there something else I have to negotiate? My thought is I would prefer girls that enjoy and are practiced in dupla instead of some random clinical pairing.

3) Final question. While plan on hitting a clinica I also..[/QUOTE]My experience is that sometimes you just go up, and sometimes the dude at the door asks you to register the girl at the front desk. Actually, the girls seem to expect it. At the Renaissance near Avenida Paulista, they always want the girl to register, but there is no problem taking them up with you.

This actually took place in a small town called Floras the Cunha, not far from Caxias do Sul. But everyone comes here to learn Brazil landscape. Will cross post.

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So I know the Boate scene in Caxias is pretty lame, having been last year. I've been doing more research and found a Boate called SusiNight in an adjacent town. It looks pretty credible but you just never know. And it's a 25 minute drive. But I rather like the idea of an adventure into the mountainous countryside.

So off I Uber to SusiNight. I ask the driver in Português which is better Boate Ilha where I've been before or this new one. He says the new one is much better so that is promising. But expectations are still low. I mean we are in The middle of nowhere.

When I arrive it certainly seems credible -- three or four security guys. One gives me a card, marks the R30 entry fee on it and sends me in. This being lower brow they use physical pink cards to track your consumption. Drinks are R70 each ($17) so this is where you will rack up your bill if you are not careful or don't care (looking at you Steve! They put a little x on your card for each drink you order for yourself or a girl.

There are probably about 15-20 girls and 5 or 6 guys when I arrive around 11. I get a neutral table and survey. Mostly a 5-7 type lineup. Not Bomboa, but will do for a country-living experience.

The waitress / concierge asks what I want to drink and brings Jack and Coke, marking my pink card. A few minutes later she brings a girl. She is quite cute but not quite my type with Ruby red lips and deep blue eyes.

It is pretty awkward because I am stone cold sober and even though my hooker Portuguese has gotten pretty good it's quite loud and it's hard to deal with a foreign language.

The waitress comes back and asks if I want to order the lady a drink. I want to be nice but I know if I do she will stay. And she is not my type even though she is a solid 9 amongst the 6-7's. So I decline and a few moments later she takes the hint and moves off, looking a little sad. Boo. I hate doing that!!

Meanwhile I have spotted a cutie in some torn Daisy Dukes across the way. She's sitting by herself and very much my type -- slim and darker with deep brown eyes and full lips. So I go over to chat her up. Again not a single word of English. Up close she is a shade less pretty. Banging body (solid 9) but totally fucked teeth. Made be think of Lisa DCups in Shanghai. Much slimmer but the teeth. Somehow tho it's kind of appealing.

I bring her back to the table and buy her a drink in what turns out to be the beginning of a very long party that is a fucking blast. We find a table where we can sit and the chairs are bar height -- which turns out to be important later.

The first half hour is a bit awkward. I am doing my best in Português but the awkwardness fades with each round of drinks though. I get my girl dancing and she is showing me the 1 left 2 right variation -- I had done this with Scandallo Josy so I was getting the hang of it.

A song comes on with a great latin vibe and the guy at the table next to me indicates his and my girl should dance together. I don't think they know each other but they are both liquored up now and they get into a tight embrace like you would for tango and they tear up the floor. It is the most beautiful and sexy thing you can imagine. I want to jack off right then! And they have a blast. I LOVE it when club girls are truly enjoying themselves and not pretending. And this was that.

When my girl returns she is all worked up and there is more cuddling and hands on as things have loosened up. Now when something with a strong latin beat comes on she starts twerking for her man. Booty backed up against my growing cock I know Joana can feel it and she likes it.

Despite some great sex later, this booty shaking grinding lesi-dancing and just general partying is the best part. A top notch time. And 2+ hours of this. The time flew by.

When Joana was taking a break from booty shaking she would just back up to me in the chair and sway. Eventually she put my hands on her tits. Giving a good squeeze, I could feel that despite the thick bustier she had a nice set of be naturals. Having been invited, I take to squeezing her tits often. Super nice.

After a couple hours of this I am thinking we need to get to the room soon. It's maybe 1:30 but its so fun it is hard to stop. Still I need to fuck this girl soon because I will burst otherwise.

So she suggests a smoke break and we go on the back patio. She doesn't have enough cigarettes so we share one. It's rather sexy.

I talk to Joana and ask "blowjob sem camisa" -- she pulls out Google translate and says "if you are hygienic". I assure her I am. And no CIM which is ok. She offers R400 and I counter R300 (US $75) and she readily accepts. She says she really really likes me. Awesome.

For R100 we go to a cabin which are rooms with leather benches on the second floor but they are open on one side to the dance floor below which is interesting.

By now my girl has had three drinks in her tiny 90 lb frame and is wildly into me and the moment. Passionate kissing. Then she gets her top off and I get to feel those beauties up close and personal. Not only great firm handsize tits but nipples that are super erect and a solid 15-20 mm tall and 12 mm in diameter. I mean really first class.

She bends over the bench and does more ass shaking now in her thong. Then fully naked does a grinding lapdance on me first in my jeans and then in my underwear. Soon the clothes are off and she's doing a nice BBBJ as agreed. Nothing earth shattering but very nice.

Now it's her turn and I go down on her working her clit strongly. She is squirming and moaning. At one point the music pauses just as she lets out a big moan. LOL. I love that she it getting very wet. As I take my tongue into her slit from time to time it's wet with that perfect girl smell. I work my left index finger up inside and curl it back on her gspot. Jackpot! Working mouth and fingers together she really gets off. And I work my own shaft with my right hand the whole time. Very sexy stuff.

We do some doggie and some very nice RCG. Not usually a fan of that because it bends me the wrong way in bed but sitting on a bench it totally works. And with her flowing black hair to her butt it's mighty sexy.

Finally we turn to Mish and it is really great. Great pussy feel and with one leg on the bench and one foot firmly planted on the floor I can pound away. She seems to REALLY enjoy this too, alternating legs wide open and clamped around me. Finally we end up with me on my back her standing bent over blowing me and me with my finger in her pussy. I really love to finger wet pussy while being blown so sure enough -- boom boom go boom.

The winddown from here is rather comedic. First my girl tells me how much she likes me and wants to go again and what a nice and gentle person I am and please don't leave. She is just about sobbing for like 20 minutes as I attempt to extricate myself from the club. The good news is she keeps kissing me super passionately as she begs me to stay so it's not time wasted. Actually really great wet kissing.

Well Uber totally fails me and cannot find a driver at 2:30 AM. And they say there is no taxi either. So me and the handler girl agree that "some guy" will take me in a little bit for R50. Well it turns out the guy is a young dude who is running the food truck. And we have two hookers hitching a ride as well. So the sandwich guy is blasting through the mountains at 50 mph in this tiny car with hooker1 up front and hooker2 in the back with me. Priceless shit!

I arrive home safely! My final bill at the club was R880. So those drinks really add up. But still over 3 hours with a beautiful girl and 4-5 rounds of drinks for $200 is unbelievable. I LOVE Brasil.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2352166]This actually took place in a small town called Floras the Cunha, not far from Caxias do Sul. But everyone comes here to learn Brazil landscape. Will cross post.[/QUOTE]Just google map'ed this Caxias do Sul. It quite out there, half way between Sao Paulo and the Uruguay border. What were you doing out there if you don't mind me asking?

I always wanted to venture outside of the big cities (IE SP, Rio, Belo Horizonte) and see what the rural area / small towns have in offer as far as mongering goes. Brazil is so huge and beautiful, I know for sure there would be many surprises for me to see and experience. The only thing holding me back is my concern for my safety being a solo traveler. I had no problem traveling solo all over Cambodia but Brazil to me is another story. I mean I would definitely stick out like a sore thumb and would definitely be an easy target. I would probably need a travel companion, preferably a native Brazilian, to come with me if I was going to do it. But it would no doubt be a blast. I hope I can convince my Brazilian friend to do it.

I assume you went there by yourself, and if so, I commend you bravery. But your report was definitely a fun read. I was expecting another report of Scandallo and this report was both surprising as well as refreshing.

I will be visiting SP at the end of August, and I am looking for girls with a specific physical attribute of large pussy lips / large clit. I've gone through this forum as well as GP-GUIA and learned that the Portuguese term for this is "Greluda". I've found a couple of independents on photoacompanhantes by searching for "greluda", but I wanted to put it out to this group to see if anyone could help me locate some girls in SP with this attribute (whether independent or at a clinica). Here are two examples of what I am looking for:

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/capital/namoradinha-carinhosa-safada-bonita-e-simpatica-id-rq9ky[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/srtaa_reisp?lang=en[/URL]

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2352386]Just google map'ed this Caxias do Sul. It quite out there, half way between Sao Paulo and the Uruguay border. What were you doing out there if you don't mind me asking?

I always wanted to venture outside of the big cities (IE SP, Rio, Belo Horizonte) and see what the rural area / small towns have in offer as far as mongering goes. Brazil is so huge and beautiful, I know for sure there would be many surprises for me to see and experience. The only thing holding me back is my concern for my safety being a solo traveler. I had no problem traveling solo all over Cambodia but Brazil to me is another story. I mean I would definitely stick out like a sore thumb and would definitely be an easy target. I would probably need a travel companion, preferably a native Brazilian, to come with me if I was going to do it. But it would no doubt be a blast. I hope I can convince my Brazilian friend to do it.

I assume you went there by yourself, and if so, I commend you bravery. But your report was definitely a fun read. I was expecting another report of Scandallo and this report was both surprising as well as refreshing.[/QUOTE]I work as a database consultant and we have some clients in the CDS area.

This advice is not for everyone. I lead a glass half full kind of life. Almost everything turns out well. So with that caveat my advice is to take the adventure. 90% of the time I am alone when I do the girls thing. But I make friends easily. Here are a few quickies where I took a chance and it came up aces:

CDS last year. My girl and I had been to the room at my hotel. I was not done for the night after round one. Brought her back to the club as a wingman. Found a sexy little number. She said let's go to the hotel Shell drive. So we blast through CDS at 3 AM windows down blond hair everywhere and AC / DC blasting "She's Got the JAck" on the stereo. Fucking priceless.

San Jose Found an off the record club that is a cafe during the day and an illegal strip club at night. They go to close up at 1 but I make a new friend who happens to be a pro soccer player and I join his posse for the unlicensed club in an office park. Some ad agency sign out front. Blacked out windows. $100 to get in. And voila a huge party with a parade of girls and you choose the one you want to party with (no sex but fun).

Moscow standing outside Golden Girls. They are not open yet. Make a new friend. Turns out he director of sales. Has a driver. Pays my cover with his membership and we party and smoke hookah. Then he says let's go have some real sex and we drive across town to another club where the girls are for hire. This was my intro to P4P in Moscow where I am now very comfortable.

Like I said not for everyone. Everyone of these could have ended badly. But that is not how I roll and the world seems to roll with me!

So it's the very last night of my trip and where else would I choose to go but Scandallo? I was drag ass tired and considered not going. What a mistake that would have been. So, professional that I am, I powered thru.

I roll up around 11 PM and it's quite packed like one would expect. First I spend a bit of time on the patio. It's more relaxed out there, before the crush of the club. A few pretty girls that are maybes but no one lights me up.

I decide to wade into the thick of it, which is the main area with the band and grab my second drink. And it's packed. Pretty much have to turn sideways to wend your way thru the crowd. I can't really estimate but surely over 100 girls just in that part, maybe 150? It is a buffet that is unequalled worldwide in my opinion.

I have a certain type and it's a very narrow window. So out of the 150 I will probably find 5 or less that are up my alley even tho they are all pretty in their own way. At some point Julliana from last week appears. She is a sweet girl and pretty and I would repeat under other circumstances. But not with such a target rich environment. So I give her a kiss and move on (later I find out she was pissed. But hey.).

I find one of the very best places to do the girl-buffet is up near the stage to the right. You can stand on the little step there and for some reason a lot of the ladies have a loop that goes right by there. But bear in mind others never leave the back of the room so you need to work both.

While the ladies are on parade there are one or two who catch my eye and I file them for future reference. One particular beauty is wearing a floral print top and matching wrap-around skirt. She has lovely dark eyes and long black hair. Tawny skin. Just my type. We make brief but meaningful eye contact.

This reminds me, it is very interesting how the game is played:

1 Eye contact and quick eye aversion. One of the parties is not interested. Move on.

2 Brief eye contact - 2-3 seconds. Dig you let's talk later.

3 Strong sustained eye contact. Let's talk right now baby.

The irony with number 2 is if you are careful not to let it go to defcon 3 then you only get a brief look at your girl. My tropical girl gets eye contact level 2 - I need further confirmation and file her for later.

Later when I am surveying from the back of the room, I notice that tropical-girl is next to me. I do another quick meeting of the eyes and then drop after a couple seconds. As I turn away, it hits me she is the one. So I reengage and turn towards her and engage her in my broken Portugus. (In retrospect I realize that she is not next to me by accident. She had marked me also after the first gaze and sought me out. Well good for her because she got it right!

Wow fuck this girl is a real doll. We chat briefly but it's very loud in the club. So we adjourn to the couches in the hall. I'd never really noticed that there are nice couches lining the hall between the restaurant and the club. What a great place to get to know each other. And we do. She's got an architectural degree and hopes to practice soon. She says she loves Scandallo because it's so classy and I agree.

God she is beautiful and I need to move this to the next level but don't want to do a room and be done. So I ask if she wants a drink and does she like dancing. Sim and sim! (All discussion is Portugus. She knows no English.).

So we head back to the main part of the club. She is very girlfriendy, leading me by the hand. We get her a drink and find a section in the middle where there are some tables that create sufficient dancing space. So we put our drinks here and start some dancing. Well not really. More like hips to hips swaying regardless of the beat. And some grinding and gyrating.

The dancing is very sexy and intimate. One of the things that melts my soul is when a girl looks deep into my eyes. Not enough of this so far this trip including my spectacular BA girlfriend. So when Andressa concentrates those liquid browns on mine it is delicious. We lean in and kiss a little. Light stuff at first. A little tongue mixed in as things progress. I honestly enjoy this as much as the room. I did it with Josy for an hour or so last week and loved it. With Andressa it is not the full on tongue tangled mackin like Josy, but very pleasant. And the balance will tip toward Andressa In the room, where she is a goddess.

After 20 minutes or it could be a half hour of dance-flirting I think we were both ready for the room. We do it via Google translate. She initiates with "What do you like to do during sex". Nice. I like the directness. "I like blowjob without condom. And kissing in missionary". Hoping just for an OK, I instead get a surprising "I love BJ without condom. " Which clearly is no lie we discover later.

The room is down the elevator and back up the stairs. R200 at the counter. Again led by the hand, we find our room.

Standing by the bed she faces me and does the full on liquid brown eyes and we kiss a bit. She then turns around and I untie her top. This BFGF part is very sexy and I love when girls do it. It's the first exposure to her tits and they are spectacular BeeCups. Super fine. We get her skirt off as well and then she undoes my buttons and belt. I love being undressed and she is very sexy doing it.

After showers she puts me on my back, straddles me, and sexily crawls up me till we are face to face and plants a strong kiss on me. Love kissing her. She lies fully on top of me, naked junk to lady parts. Gets me rather hard just moving our hips.

Then like a sexy cat she crawls back down and takes me in her mouth, never breaking eye contact. And she is VERY good downstairs. Top one or two of the trip. Lots of licking while giving the doe eyes. Plenty of BLS. A nice buffet of blowjob. Fortunately her being the tenth (ish) fuck of the trip I have plenty of stamina and don't threaten a stack-blowing despite her skills.

Now it's her turn as I turn her on her back. I start by just kissing her deeply but then work down to those spectacular tits. She doesn't get the mega hard nipples like Joana the prior night but she seems to respond in a basic way. Now it's time to move on down.

I take my time going there hoping to get her worked up. When I reach the goal I start some really good tongue work. Her clit is a bit covered so I push up the surrounding flesh to get better access (learned this recently). But despite this, the response is pretty demure. At five or so minutes in, I think she is bored and maybe I should stop. But I do something right and get a little breath intake and head grab. So I keep at it. Sure enough she is just a super slow build.

I spend quite some time working on her as she slow-builds. The magic ticket tho is when I work my index finger inside and curl it back to her Gspot. Using both tongue and fingers is getting her super hot and bothered. I start to feel a small wave and then a huge bucking wave of pussy clamps. Don't know that I've felt that strong a reaction inside a pussy ever before. Made me feel great that I could get her off like that.

Afterwards she just lies fully spent just staring up at me with something like admiration or gratitude. This was no act. She is like a limp wet fish so completely satisfied. But she wants to reciprocate so does a bit more BJ then she grabs the condom and starts riding cowgirl. What a sight! Perfect tits pressed together. Sometimes she'll throw her head back and put her arms back and lean back, just letting go. Fuck she is a stunner -- like a 9. 5.

She switches to RCG which I don't usually prefer but she does a great job. After a while I move her to her back and plunge into Mish. This is really really good. Lots of Mish kissing but she seems to like it best when she buried her face in my neck and wraps her legs strong around me. This is so fine I think I may cum in Mish which I love. But it fades.

In the end, we roll over and lose the condom and she works me by mouth. She has to use every trick in the book and is down at least another ten minutes maybe more. Spectacular climax with ten minutes left on the room.

So we shower, I get her number (ALWAYS do this with Brasileiras) and later get some model-level pics the next day via WhatsApp. Wow what a girl!

Sounds like you had a kickass time at Scandallo, Sayyid Steve. I thought this good info from January was worth reposting for first-time visitors:

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2279737]Yes, they ask for ID, my buddy had brought a photocopy of his passport. I had none with me, so they asked for CC but I only carry cash. Finally the girl let me just tell her my name.[/QUOTE]It was the same with me. At first they asked for my ID, but that's not something I ever give to sex clubs. They put on a stern face but it was just an act: they eventually backed down. After all at the end of the day they are in business to make money. If it ever gets to the point that they are more interested in our data than our cash we will have to ask: why?

I expect this ID check will go away once the Brazilian General Data Protection Act comes into effect in 2020. In the meantime, while Brazil is still the Wild West of data, we have to just grin and play the game. The name you give doesn't have to be real, it is just a moniker to identify you for repeated visits. Of course, if you dress like a tramp they may use the ID thing as an excuse to shut you out. But generally Brazilians are a pretty laid-back people.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2296131]P. S. There are no chicas in Brazil, we speak Portugus and the word GAROTA is the correct one.[/QUOTE]What is the difference between a garota and a menina?

[QUOTE=SnarkHunter;2353035]What is the difference between a garota and a menina?[/QUOTE]Menina is more little girl. Garota more girl or a young lady I would say. P4 P girls are often called Garotas de Programe. Definitely not meninas.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2353090]Menina is more little girl. Garota more girl or a young lady I would say. P4 P girls are often called Garotas de Programe. Definitely not meninas.[/QUOTE]Well, yes and no. Technically, both mean girl with garota having the connotation of slim. Another common word for girl is moça. All can also be used to refer to adult women in the same way that in English it was possible before political correctness to call a woman a girl.

In Brazil, the phrase "garota de programa" has become so established in the culture that one is perhaps risking offending an arbitrary woman if you call her a "garota". Whereas with "menina" you only risk the same political correctness issue you have in english to a certain extent.

Within the putaria world, garota and meninas are actually both applicable, and both mean adult women, working girls, in the context of a adult entertainment establishment. It is perfectly ok to ask the reception at a club or spa "how many meninas" are working. In fact, "menina" is used at least as or more frequently verbally than "garota", because menina is a bit softer and more flattering these days, I believe. So you will often hear the reception calling out "Meninas! Apresentaçao!" I never hear them call out "Garotas, Apresentaçao".

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2353269]Within the putaria world, garota and meninas are actually both applicable, and both mean adult women, working girls, in the context of a adult entertainment establishment. It is perfectly ok to ask the reception at a club or spa "how many meninas" are working. In fact, "menina" is used at least as or more frequently verbally than "garota", because menina is a bit softer and more flattering these days, I believe. So you will often hear the reception calling out "Meninas! Apresentaao!" I never hear them call out "Garotas, Apresentaao".[/QUOTE]Same thing is very common in the Spanish-speaking world where working women are quite normally called or referred to as "ninas".

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2353269]Well, yes and no. Technically, both mean girl with garota having the connotation of slim. Another common word for girl is moa. All can also be used to refer to adult women in the same way that in English it was possible before political correctness to call a woman a girl.

In Brazil, the phrase "garota de programa" has become so established in the culture that one is perhaps risking offending an arbitrary woman if you call her a "garota". Whereas with "menina" you only risk the same political correctness issue you have in english to a certain extent.

Within the putaria world, garota and meninas are actually both applicable, and both mean adult women, working girls, in the context of a adult entertainment establishment. It is perfectly ok to ask the reception at a club or spa "how many meninas" are working. In fact, "menina" is used at least as or more frequently verbally than "garota", because menina is a bit softer and more flattering these days, I believe. So you will often hear the reception calling out "Meninas! Apresentaao!" I never hear them call out "Garotas, Apresentaao".[/QUOTE]Had this been a short essay question on one of my comparative linguistics quizzes, I give you an A, take the rest of the semester off and let you teach!

Well done.

P.S. Was preparing a similar post but you were faster to the draw!

1st things 1st. A big thank you to all of you who provide info and post your experiences in this thread. My first trip to Sao Paulo and due to this thread I knew exactly where to go and what to do. The info here is invaluable. Many thanks.

My trip has been weird. I'm here on business and every time I decided to hit up a clinica I had to jump on a call or put out a work related fire. I'm staying in Moema at a guest friendly hotel so for the last three days I've only engaged with escorts that outcall or allow a visit to them. While doing my pre trip research I found 8 escorts who are active on Twitter and using Gpguia to check their reviews I've struck gold 7/8 so far. These women devoured me as soon as the hotel room door closed. The level of GFE that I've experienced has been top notch. I also found a site that lists all of the escorts by blonde, brunette, mulatto etc. [URL]https://www.gptwitter.com/.[/URL] I think it's a combination of luck, getting a sense of their energy from their tweets, 'bom energia' and that I had to adjust to the fact that they don't look at being punctual as I do being from New York LOL. They take their time responding and are usually 15-20 minutes late. I met one girl while although the sex was good it looked like she was having a fight with someone on her phone so she was apologizing way too much. I'm not easily annoyed so it was all good. There are two women that I just had to see and they were just plain drop dead gorgeous. If we are allowed to post their Twitter pages here I will. I encountered no bait and switch and all looked like their pictures. I'm using whatsapp to communicate with them all.

I intend to try the Moema clinicas today and will report back.

[QUOTE=OGC81;2353699]1st things 1st. A big thank you to all of you who provide info and post your experiences in this thread. My first trip to Sao Paulo and due to this thread I knew exactly where to go and what to do. The info here is invaluable. Many thanks.

The level of GFE that I've experienced has been top notch. I also found a site that lists all of the escorts by blonde, brunette, mulatto etc. [URL]https://www.gptwitter.com/.[/URL]

I intend to try the Moema clinicas today and will report back.[/QUOTE]Very good report. Glad you are enjoying yourself. That new gptwitter filter site looks awesome, best development for online searching that I have seen in a long time, great news.

Too bad you do not have PMs or I would try to meet up with you at the Moema clinics in my neighborhood. Have fun.

[QUOTE=OGC81;2353699]1st things 1st. A big thank you to all of you who provide info and post your experiences in this thread. My first trip to Sao Paulo and due to this thread I knew exactly where to go and what to do. The info here is invaluable. Many thanks.

My trip has been weird. I'm here on business and every time I decided to hit up a clinica I had to jump on a call or put out a work related fire. I'm staying in Moema at a guest friendly hotel so for the last three days I've only engaged with escorts that outcall or allow a visit to them. While doing my pre trip research I found 8 escorts who are active on Twitter and using Gpguia to check their reviews I've struck gold 7/8 so far. These women devoured me as soon as the hotel room door closed. The level of GFE that I've experienced has been top notch. I also found a site that lists all of the escorts by blonde, brunette, mulatto etc. [URL]https://www.gptwitter.com/.[/URL] I think it's a combination of luck, getting a sense of their energy from their tweets, 'bom energia' and that I had to adjust to the fact that they don't look at being punctual as I do being from New York LOL..[/QUOTE]Post away. That's the exchange of good info!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2350303]Again joint shower. And she asks where I am staying. My hotel is just a few blocks from where she stays so I say I will walk her home. This is very nice as we walk hand in hand up the street for several blocks where I bid her goodnight.[/QUOTE]Steve, I'm glad you had a great time. You don't go for walks in Sao Paulo in the wee hours of the night. You're tempting getting jacked. The wrong girl could also text her boyfriend and his friends. You're a foreigner in Brazil.

Mel; Blue Night Show, she lives in my building, sometimes works from home. Anal sex is her forte!

Which hotel in Moema?

[QUOTE=OGC81;2353699]1st things 1st. A big thank you to all of you who provide info and post your experiences in this thread. My first trip to Sao Paulo and due to this thread I knew exactly where to go and what to do. The info here is invaluable. Many thanks.

My trip has been weird. I'm here on business and every time I decided to hit up a clinica I had to jump on a call or put out a work related fire. I'm staying in Moema at a guest friendly hotel so for the last three days I've only engaged with escorts that outcall or allow a visit to them. While doing my pre trip research I found 8 escorts who are active on Twitter and using Gpguia to check their reviews I've struck gold 7/8 so far. These women devoured me as soon as the hotel room door closed. The level of GFE that I've experienced has been top notch. I also found a site that lists all of the escorts by blonde, brunette, mulatto etc. [URL]https://www.gptwitter.com/.[/URL] I think it's a combination of luck, getting a sense of their energy from their tweets, 'bom energia' and that I had to adjust to the fact that they don't look at being punctual as I do being from New York LOL. They take their time responding and are usually 15-20 minutes late. I met one girl while although the sex was good it looked like she was having a fight with someone on her phone so she was apologizing way too much. I'm not easily annoyed so it was all good..[/QUOTE]

I had great to mind blowing sessions with these ladies. I found them all through the twitter rabbit hole. I give an S rating to those who surpass and A+.

Isa Bombom. A. A very buxom dark skinned chocolate woman with a body built for porn. She gets into it but will not initiate a thing at first. Rounds 2 and 3 she took control.

At isabombom20.

Manuella Borges. S++. Was at the same location as Isa Bombom. Small world. Extremely down to earth and easy to talk to. Gorgeous.

At manuborgesgp.

Cleo Dende. S+++ the hair, the body. She's a dancer as well. Best experience I had with any woman, ever. Got to make sure to not make that experience the standard or no woman will measure up LOL.

[URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sp/cleo_dende[/URL]

Japacompanhante. S++ She went the extra mile to please. Very cool and relaxed lady. She's definitely a fan of being pleased also. She later posted on twitter where she thanked me by name for a great time and orgasm. I don't need to be incognito but not sure if I'm OK with that or not LOL.

At japcompanying.

Alinne Brandao. S++ for my SpaceBalls fans I rate her 'ludicrous speed'. She set a goal to get* 4 out of me. She did. Easily.

At srta_brandao.

Rebeka Caetano. S++. An absolute tiger in the sack. Tries to seduce you the entire time. Funny as hell and set the tone on the seduction as soon as the elevator door closed.

At 27 Rebeka.

Bella Morena. S++ stunning woman. Her pictures do her no justice. Awesome time.

At bellamorenabr.

Clinical Red -my very first clinica visit and God I'm a rookie. Said yes to the first woman who approached me. Paola was her name. She intends to move to Australia and was an escort in California for a while. She spoke English. I stumbled out of there in awe of the lineup process and being able to choose. I'm still not over it. So good. I'm interested to know if that "Christmas Morning" like glee fades with multiple visits.

Abbobora- loved everything about this place. Amazing atmosphere and I went with Suzy the second lady who introduced herself. When she bent down to say high she traced my goatee with her fingers. I was tagged and bagged after that. Sigh. Bubbly personality and full of energy. She banged the hell out of me.

Tangara-* enter Marina. A hot little brunette who I chose after waiting to meet all of the available ladies this time LOL. From the jump there was an old friends vibe as we were laughing at the language barrier between us. We exchanged whatsapp info before any sex. We just. Clicked. After a ridiculously amazing BBJ we tried to have sex but the condoms she had were too small. We couldn't stop laughing and boy did she try to make it work. * After trying with a few different ones I gave up. I was a little too satisfied with meeting her. I had to check myself as we were engaging like a couple on a honeymoon. Can't fall in love. I went back to my hotel* admittedly in a haze of infatuation. I did sets of pushups till failure and deleted her contact info because I know I would call etc. I can't get "got" out here LOL.

Yessir and thanks again for your posts. I truly never felt like a tourist in Sampa. I will definitely try to link go my next visit. I'm definitely interested in seeing what Sao Paulo and the clinicas are like during Carnival.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2354067]Very good report. Glad you are enjoying yourself. That new gptwitter filter site looks awesome, best development for online searching that I have seen in a long time, great news.

Too bad you do not have PMs or I would try to meet up with you at the Moema clinics in my neighborhood. Have fun.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OGC81;2355690] I did sets of pushups till failure and deleted her contact info because I know I would call etc. I can't get "got" out here LOL.[/QUOTE]Sets of pushups, LOL.

Why erase good contact info?
No need to get "got", whatever that means.

Just send her a text to come over for fun.

You're in the driver's seat man.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=OGC81;2355686]I had great to mind blowing sessions with these ladies. I found them all through the twitter rabbit hole. I give an S rating to those who surpass and A+.

Isa Bombom. A. A very buxom dark skinned chocolate woman with a body built for porn. She gets into it but will not initiate a thing at first. Rounds 2 and 3 she took control.

At isabombom20.

Manuella Borges. S++. Was at the same location as Isa Bombom. Small world. Extremely down to earth and easy to talk to. Gorgeous.

At manuborgesgp..[/QUOTE]You certainly went for an all-star lineup! They all have spectacular reputations. Glad you had fun.

Jib Reach.

[QUOTE=LeoAiolia;2354979]Which hotel in Moema?[/QUOTE]Mercure Ginasio Ibarapuera.

[QUOTE=OGC81;2355809]Mercure Ginasio Ibarapuera.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your very good reports.

Actually that hotel is in Paraiso, not in Moema.

[QUOTE=OGC81;2355698]Yessir and thanks again for your posts. I truly never felt like a tourist in Sampa. I will definitely try to link go my next visit. I'm definitely interested in seeing what Sao Paulo and the clinicas are like during Carnival.[/QUOTE]Thanks for nice words. Do return for sure, but please understand that the entire putaria scene is actually at a yearly low point during carnival. The girls prefer to enjoy carnival with their friends and family and therefore are not working. A few places are open but if you come to Brazil during carnival do so for carnival not for putaria. If you come for putaria specifically, avoid Carnival or any of the other big holidays.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2356044]Thanks for nice words. Do return for sure, but please understand that the entire putaria scene is actually at a yearly low point during carnival. The girls prefer to enjoy carnival with their friends and family and therefore are not working. A few places are open but if you come to Brazil during carnival do so for carnival not for putaria. If you come for putaria specifically, avoid Carnival or any of the other big holidays.[/QUOTE]I asked one GP how business was during carnival. She said it was a bad time. "Too many girls giving it away for free".

[QUOTE=OGC81;2355690]Abbobora- loved everything about this place. Amazing atmosphere and I went with Suzy the second lady who introduced herself. When she bent down to say high she traced my goatee with her fingers. I was tagged and bagged after that. Sigh. Bubbly personality and full of energy. She banged the hell out of me.

Tangara-* enter Marina. A hot little brunette who I chose after waiting to meet all of the available ladies this time LOL. From the jump there was an old friends vibe as we were laughing at the language barrier between us. We exchanged whatsapp info before any sex. We just. Clicked. After a ridiculously amazing BBJ we tried to have sex but the condoms she had were too small. We couldn't stop laughing and boy did she try to make it work. * After trying with a few different ones I gave up. I was a little too satisfied with meeting her. I had to check myself as we were engaging like a couple on a honeymoon. Can't fall in love. I went back to my hotel* admittedly in a haze of infatuation. I did sets of pushups till failure and deleted her contact info because I know I would call etc. I can't get "got" out here LOL.[/QUOTE]Suzy at Abbobora. She's a great fuck! Not the prettiest or youngest girl at abbobora but she makes it up in the bed. She told me she had worked at abbobora for 5 years so she's very experienced and definitely knows how to please a man. She gave me the best sex out of all the abbobora girls I sessioned with. Will definitely repeat with her when I return.

Your infatuation with Marina is similar to how I felt about a girl in Rio. A gorgeous mulata with beautiful dark skin and jet black hair going down her back. My jaws literally dropped to the floor the first time I saw her. She was a bit shy and at the end of the session when I asked her for her whatsapp number, she whispered it was against house rules. When I went back to see her again a couple days later, one of the girls told me that she no longer worked there. I was so devastated and I had no ways of contacting her. I was in a depressive mood for the next couple of days. Days later, out of no where I spot her in centro with a friend. I was so surprised to bump into her. I thought damn this is fate, fate has brought us back together LOL. We hugged and this time I made sure I got her number. So the next day I went to her new casa and had one of my most intimate and sensual sessions of my life. The most memorable moment was us locking eyes as I was slow thrusting her butthole in spoon.

[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2349687]Yeah I was talking to her yesterday and she said that she goes there because they can charge more however she did not give me a time limit.[/QUOTE]Wondering on the dynamic at this place. Seems it is on par with Scandallo in terms of price and quality, but opposite in terms of atmosphere (relaxed vs active / take out vs in house). Any advise?

And the food wasn't bad either! This is Rafaela from Rio.

Hello dear monger,

Seems all getting good action. I am here in Santos for 2 days. Tried clubmodel but could not find any escort in Santos. But found some other site.

Like skokka, fatal model, photo acompa.

Does anybody know if this are safe?

Also if you have any suggestions please feel free. I can't go to SP. Other wise I would have gone there.

[QUOTE=Promitheus;2356424]Hello dear monger,

Seems all getting good action. I am here in Santos for 2 days. Tried clubmodel but could not find any escort in Santos. But found some other site.

Like skokka, fatal model, photo acompa.

Does anybody know if this are safe?

Also if you have any suggestions please feel free. I can't go to SP. Other wise I would have gone there.[/QUOTE]Take an Uber and go to Ilha Club, om Ilha Porchat.

ABG.

First, thanks to everyone who has shared here and answered my questions. I am on my final day in Sao Paulo and as promised I would do a report.

Day 1: I landed about mid morning and had a full day of interviews. I got back to the hotel by 7 and had tried to prearranged an escort that night from photoaccompanhantes. She was very responsive until the day of and she wouldn't confirm. So I got an uber and went off the Tangara since it was among the closest recommended places that wasn't also right next to the office I was interviewing at. One thing that I don't like so much about the Brazilian style clinicas is that the systems aren't set up for privacy if one may need that. I imagine you can call ahead maybe and arrange that but the standard way you are just sitting in the room with everyone else for presentation etc. In Korea the assumed privacy of the process was nice.

Anyway, Tangara. It was $170 for an hour and $120 for half. Girls come out one at a time, bisou and give you their name. Between the portuguese and them coming one at a time you have to remember your current favorite otherwise its easy to forget. There were 6 girls and the coordinator usually has the list if you need reminding. This was a bigger problem at Abbobora because of the bigger and higher quality line up. Of the 6 girls 3 were acceptable though none were stunners on the Brazilian scale. However, there were other girls either leaving or busy that were more than fine. I chose Annie a very slim blond girl in a Bond-like white jump suit. She was super girl friend attitude which to me is important. In general so far I have found Brazilian girls so friendly and GF attitude that I love it. Service was great BBJ, DIY, multiple positions, two shots (tough cause I was tired from the plane). For a price conscious option I was totally happy. The facilities were meh. Large room with shower but old etc.

In comparison Abbobora the facilities were nice and the line up was. Well for the $25 extra dollars holy sh at # When you get there there is a sign for "Shinga Hotel" but you don't go there first you take the little coorridor to the left and that is where the presentation is. Then you choose and go back to the hotel, pay and the girl meets you in the room. Probably a great set up legally. $260 reals, there were 12 ish girls when I went on Friday afternoon around 1. Of the 12 all were more than acceptable, 6 were amazing. The diversity of just the 12 girls was off the charts on every dimension. I don't know how I would choose at a place with larger line ups. Because I have only been in Brazil for a few days I am hesitant to give a scale because I imagine the higher price boates may break it. But for me many solid 8's+. About 3 spoke some English but I ended up choosing a slim young girl with short curly hair with flawless skin and a face and eyes that just melted me. The name is escaping me but its start with a P. She had an A- cup size but I like variety in my girls and don't have a type. The rooms were super nice and new. In the room, we each shower and then it was essentially a sultry lap dance, BBJ and very long DIY where she got really into it. Cow girl, clean up and then a second round anal (there was a small upcharge for this and should have negotiated before or in room but it didn't matter to me and she was really into it so. I was happy to do it. I won't make a habit of it. I didn't find any of this mechanical and all in all it was a fabulous experience and beyond worth the $100 reals difference. In fact, I just talked myself to going back this afternoon before my flight out. I know I can't leave disappointed.

This place is amazing and I love, love the diversity. I love the attitude of the girls so far that seems to be very baked into the overall culture. I like the whole GP vibe which is feels much more about upward mobility and a plan of action for the girls rather than a last choice. I am sure there is variation in that but I try to stay away from any probability of exploitation as much as possible in my activities. It just feels different here.

Thanks for the spot on report. My experiences exactly (and save your pennies for a Scandallo visit some day) but I particularly like your point about the GP scene and how the girls seem to want to be there. I have to agree this vibe is very clear in the higher class SP venues. I stay in touch with some of my girls from last year and sure enough they are moving up the food chain. One is now happily engaged with a big house with pool and dogs. And the other has gone into business making purses. They both have leveraged their GP days. Not long ago — into something better. It's great to see.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2356981]First, thanks to everyone who has shared here and answered my questions. I am on my final day in Sao Paulo and as promised I would do a report.

Day 1: I landed about mid morning and had a full day of interviews. I got back to the hotel by 7 and had tried to prearranged an escort that night from photoaccompanhantes. She was very responsive until the day of and she wouldn't confirm. So I got an uber and went off the Tangara since it was among the closest recommended places that wasn't also right next to the office I was interviewing at. One thing that I don't like so much about the Brazilian style clinicas is that the systems aren't set up for privacy if one may need that. I imagine you can call ahead maybe and arrange that but the standard way you are just sitting in the room with everyone else for presentation etc. In Korea the assumed privacy of the process was nice.

Anyway, Tangara. It was $170 for an hour and $120 for half. Girls come out one at a time, bisou and give you their name. Between the portuguese and them coming one at a time you have to remember your current favorite otherwise its easy to forget. There were 6 girls and the coordinator usually has the list if you need reminding. This was a bigger problem at Abbobora because of the bigger and higher quality line up. Of the 6 girls 3 were acceptable though none were stunners on the Brazilian scale. However, there were other girls either leaving or busy that were more than fine. I chose Annie a very slim blond girl in a Bond-like white jump suit. She was super girl friend attitude which to me is important. In general so far I have found Brazilian girls so friendly and GF attitude that I love it. Service was great BBJ, DIY, multiple positions, two shots (tough cause I was tired from the plane). For a price conscious option I was totally happy. The facilities were meh. Large room with shower but old etc.

In comparison Abbobora the facilities were nice and the line up was. Well for the $25 extra dollars holy sh at # When you get there there is a sign for "Shinga Hotel" but you don't go there first you take the little coorridor to the left and that is where the presentation is. Then you choose and go back to the hotel, pay and the girl meets you in the room. Probably a great set up legally. $260 reals, there were 12 ish girls when I went on Friday afternoon around 1. Of the 12 all were more than acceptable, 6 were amazing. The diversity of just the 12 girls was off the charts on every dimension. I don't know how I would choose at a place with larger line ups. Because I have only been in Brazil for a few days I am hesitant to give a scale because I imagine the higher price boates may break it. But for me many solid 8's+. About 3 spoke some English but I ended up choosing a slim young girl with short curly hair with flawless skin and a face and eyes that just melted me. The name is escaping me but its start with a P. She had an A- cup size but I like variety in my girls and don't have a type. The rooms were super nice and new. In the room, we each shower and then it was essentially a sultry lap dance, BBJ and very long DIY where she got really into it. Cow girl, clean up and then a second round anal (there was a small upcharge for this and should have negotiated before or in room but it didn't matter to me and she was really into it so. I was happy to do it. I won't make a habit of it. I didn't find any of this mechanical and all in all it was a fabulous experience and beyond worth the $100 reals difference. In fact, I just talked myself to going back this afternoon before my flight out. I know I can't leave disappointed.

This place is amazing and I love, love the diversity. I love the attitude of the girls so far that seems to be very baked into the overall culture. I like the whole GP vibe which is feels much more about upward mobility and a plan of action for the girls rather than a last choice. I am sure there is variation in that but I try to stay away from any probability of exploitation as much as possible in my activities. It just feels different here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OGC81;2355686]I had great to mind blowing sessions with these ladies. I found them all through the twitter rabbit hole. I give an S rating to those who surpass and A+.

Isa Bombom. A. A very buxom dark skinned chocolate woman with a body built for porn. She gets into it but will not initiate a thing at first. Rounds 2 and 3 she took control.

At isabombom20.

Manuella Borges. S++. Was at the same location as Isa Bombom. Small world. Extremely down to earth and easy to talk to. Gorgeous.

At manuborgesgp.

Cleo Dende. S+++ the hair, the body. She's a dancer as well. Best experience I had with any woman, ever. Got to make sure to not make that experience the standard or no woman will measure up LOL.

[URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sp/cleo_dende[/URL]

Japacompanhante. S++ She went the extra mile to please. Very cool and relaxed lady. She's definitely a fan of being pleased also. She later posted on twitter where she thanked me by name for a great time and orgasm. I don't need to be incognito but not sure if I'm OK with that or not LOL.

At japcompanying.

Alinne Brandao. S++ for my SpaceBalls fans I rate her 'ludicrous speed'. She set a goal to get* 4 out of me. She did. Easily.

At srta_brandao.

Rebeka Caetano. S++. An absolute tiger in the sack. Tries to seduce you the entire time. Funny as hell and set the tone on the seduction as soon as the elevator door closed.

At 27 Rebeka.

Bella Morena. S++ stunning woman. Her pictures do her no justice. Awesome time.

At bellamorenabr.[/QUOTE]I've seen Isa Bombom on Twitter thanks for the report hope she still around in November and that's for the other twitter handles all boots on ground recon is super appreciated. And about the mention on twitter if you don't need to be incognito should be proud of the mention LOL sure other gp's see too.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2352017]The room is the part that is hourly not the girl. Though you might want to discuss it upfront if you plan two hours for example.

If you run over the room time they start fining you. It was R50 for ten minutes over last year. Did not go over this year.

I should mention two other things. The rooms at Scandallo have a little revolving drinks door so you can order in private any time. And the rooms have been massively upgraded. Granite and marble everywhere and dual showers which is nice.[/QUOTE]Thanks Steve! Still a little while until my trip but the board has been giving some great recon. This part of forum the guys are awesome. I know I'll have a great time with the info why'all are giving.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2357433]Thanks Steve! Still a little while until my trip but the board has been giving some great recon. This part of forum the guys are awesome. I know I'll have a great time with the info why'all are giving.[/QUOTE]Another small tip. After a session, if it was a good one, you might consider going back to the bar and getting her a juice or snack and chatting. It doesn't have to be too extravagant, but they really appreciate the small things. In fact it sends a signal to management that they are getting on well in the club. So if you still have credit on your commanda card, why not?

The one thing you should never do is buy a drink for a girl who explicitly asks for it, especially someone you don't really know. In Scandallo, a drink is supposed to be a reward for good behavior. If you let random WGs approach you and cadge drinks off you that is just messing with the system. I know it's tempting, but trust me, they [I]won't[/I] be grateful: they will just think you are an idiot tool who is letting them fulfill their quota.

So in summary: [B]Yes[/B] to offering girls stuff (potentially), [B]No[/B] to agreeing to requests. It really is a big difference.

Steve 9696 clear your inbox EOM.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2358324]Steve 9696 clear your inbox EOM.[/QUOTE]Done. Thanks. You'the think I would have earned an inbox upgrade by now! LOL.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2358520]Done. Thanks. You'the think I would have earned an inbox upgrade by now! LOL.[/QUOTE]Steve, do you think the ISG is one of your bitches? ;)

Good sessions at scandallo, Bamboa, Aboborroa and Oro this week.

Bamboa. Agatha. PAWG. All natural. Porn equivalent Sarah Jay (body wise, this lady is younger with a prettier face). Thought she was silicone up but glad I took a closer look. WIR: why.

Aboorra. Rebecca. Young red head. Not a hard body, but pretty and a good ride. WIR: why.

Scandallo. I enjoy the pomp of the boates. Fun atmosphere. Went on a Wednesday. The ratio seemed to be about 1. 5 to 1. Too many options for me. Some hell NOs. Ended up with a PYT. BBBJ was mediocre. She quoted 700 but agreed for 600 when we were in line for the room. I'the go back to Scandallo but wouldn't session with this girl again. She was pretty, but would want more skills at that price. I don't remember her name, but she kind of reminded me of the singer Mya body wise (not in the face). She was definitely in demand. She was cool and down to earth. Just would try something else. WIR: and (Scandollo, yes).

Oro. Vanessa. Pretty morena. Great experience. WIR: why.

BBBJ DATY and DFK for all the above. Some said anal was on offer but I didn't really peruse it. Not too much my thing. BBBJ and CIM or COB (except the Scandallo girl).

Will try chanes 57 and update. May try some twitter GPS. Will update.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2356044]Thanks for nice words. Do return for sure, but please understand that the entire putaria scene is actually at a yearly low point during carnival. The girls prefer to enjoy carnival with their friends and family and therefore are not working. A few places are open but if you come to Brazil during carnival do so for carnival not for putaria. If you come for putaria specifically, avoid Carnival or any of the other big holidays.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up. I had all intentions to return during Carnival.

[QUOTE=MixedSalad07;2359428]Good sessions at scandallo, Bamboa, Aboborroa and Oro this week.

Bamboa. Agatha. PAWG. All natural. Porn equivalent Sarah Jay (body wise, this lady is younger with a prettier face). Thought she was siliconed up but glad I took a closer look. WIR: Y

Abbóbora. Rebecca. Young red head. Not a hard body, but pretty and a good ride. WIR: Y. Went to the wiskeria afterwards.

Scandallo. I enjoy the pomp of the boates. Fun atmosphere. Went on a Wednesday. The ratio seemed to be about 1.5:1 Too many options for me. Some hell NOs. Ended up with a PYT. BBBJ was mediocre. She quoted 700 but agreed for 600 when we were in line for the room. I'd go back to Scandallo but wouldn't session with this girl again. She was pretty, but would want more skills at that price. I don't remember her name, but she kind of reminded me of the singer Mya body wise (not in the face). She was definitely in demand. She was cool and down to earth. Just would try something else. WIR: No (Scandollo, yes).

Oro. Vanessa. Pretty morena. Great experience. WIR: Yes.

BBBJ DATY and DFK for all the above. Some said anal was on offer but I didn't really peruse it. Not too much my thing. BBBJ and CIM or COB (except the Scandallo girl).

Will try chanes 57 and update. May try some twitter GPS. Will update.[/QUOTE]Fixed some typos above.

Went to Chanes, didn't session. Was tired but enjoyed the vibe. Maybe 8 on offer 3 I would have sessioned with had I had more energy.

Some years ago, I forget how many (3, 5, 10? There was a string of saunas (walking distance between them) along Rua August in el Centro. I can't remember the names of them. Strangely, I can't find any mention of them on the forum and I'm sure this forum must have been the way I found them way back when. Are they still around? Any thoughts on quality / safety / etc?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=MixedSalad07;2359428]Good sessions at scandallo, Bamboa, Aboborroa and Oro this week.

Scandallo. I enjoy the pomp of the boates. Fun atmosphere. Went on a Wednesday. The ratio seemed to be about 1. 5 to 1. Too many options for me. Some hell NOs. Ended up with a PYT. BBBJ was mediocre. She quoted 700 but agreed for 600 when we were in line for the room. I'the go back to Scandallo but wouldn't session with this girl again. She was pretty, but would want more skills at that price. I don't remember her name, but she kind of reminded me of the singer Mya body wise (not in the face). She was definitely in demand. She was cool and down to earth. Just would try something else. WIR: and (Scandollo, yes).

Oro. Vanessa. Pretty morena. Great experience. WIR: why.[/QUOTE]Did you screen the Scandallo girl? I normally don't screen girls, even at 4 x 4. My strategy has been to take the girls for 30 minute sessions since its the price is so cheap, especially at the clinicas. If they perform up to my standards then if I repeat with them the next time I will go for longer sessions.

But I feel at Scandallo, because the price is R600-800, that screening is going to be required. Not just what they won't allow but also details, like their BJ skills, how affectionate they are going to be once in the bed, etc etc. Sure they can lie but at least I can call them out during the session if they don't perform. Nothing worse then overpaying for a session and not getting satisfied.

BTW what is Oro?

Hello,

I'm back in SP after many years and can't find any recent info. On my usual spot, Gauguin.

Would anyone have any info. on what's going on these days in this club?

Thank you very much!

B.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2360511]Did you screen the Scandallo girl? I normally don't screen girls, even at 4 x 4. My strategy has been to take the girls for 30 minute sessions since its the price is so cheap, especially at the clinicas. If they perform up to my standards then if I repeat with them the next time I will go for longer sessions.

But I feel at Scandallo, because the price is R600-800, that screening is going to be required. Not just what they won't allow but also details, like their BJ skills, how affectionate they are going to be once in the bed, etc etc. Sure they can lie but at least I can call them out during the session if they don't perform. Nothing worse then overpaying for a session and not getting satisfied.

BTW what is Oro?[/QUOTE]I hear you DC. Yes, I "screened" her. As you said, girls can mislead about their skill levels. My strategy with her was to ask if she offered A levels. I thinks she said No, so that could have been an indicator. My logic was if she did, she's a bit more liberal and free with everything else. She said she did give BBBJ. In retrospect I could have asked how long each part of the program could last, but that seems like a vibe killer. I still had fun with her. She was down to earth. Pretty. She was a getting a lot of attention and I think maybe she doesn't have to do as much to get clients? Idk. She was cool. Her skills in the bed just didn't blow me away. Her BBBJ maybe lasted a minute if that. I was turned on talking to her. It was getting late, so finally decided to dive in. Don't regret it, just wouldn't repeat with her. I don't remember her name.

I've gotten amazing service (Everything included) at Scandallo to very mediocre service there. So especially based on the one time I got lukewarm service there, I make it a point to screen. It's not an exact science. Your strategy for the clinicas is good. At the end of the day there are variables at play and trail and error is one of them.

My very first experience at Scandallo was phenomenal so that is the standard I am chasing.

Oro is a (pricier) clinica in Vila Olmpia.

[QUOTE=Beleriand;2360558]Hello,

I'm back in SP after many years and can't find any recent info. On my usual spot, Gauguin.

Would anyone have any info. on what's going on these days in this club?

Thank you very much!

B.[/QUOTE]Last month I was Sao Paulo and stayed at Sheraton Hotel that is pretty close from Cafe Gauguin, passed in front of it some times. By what seems, it was still working.

[QUOTE=Beleriand;2360558]Hello,

I'm back in SP after many years and can't find any recent info. On my usual spot, Gauguin.

Would anyone have any info. on what's going on these days in this club?

Thank you very much!

B.[/QUOTE]Google to the rescue:

[URL]http://www.novagauguin.com.br[/URL]

[QUOTE=MixedSalad07;2360623]I hear you DC. Yes, I "screened" her. As you said, girls can mislead about their skill levels. My strategy with her was to ask if she offered A levels. I thinks she said No, so that could have been an indicator. My logic was if she did, she's a bit more liberal and free with everything else. She said she did give BBBJ. In retrospect I could have asked how long each part of the program could last, but that seems like a vibe killer. I still had fun with her. She was down to earth. Pretty. She was a getting a lot of attention and I think maybe she doesn't have to do as much to get clients? Idk. She was cool. Her skills in the bed just didn't blow me away. Her BBBJ maybe lasted a minute if that. I was turned on talking to her. It was getting late, so finally decided to dive in. Don't regret it, just wouldn't repeat with her. I don't remember her name.

I've gotten amazing service (Everything included) at Scandallo to very mediocre service there. So especially based on the one time I got lukewarm service there, I make it a point to screen. It's not an exact science. Your strategy for the clinicas is good. At the end of the day there are variables at play and trail and error is one of them.

My very first experience at Scandallo was phenomenal so that is the standard I am chasing.

Oro is a (pricier) clinica in Vila Olmpia.[/QUOTE]There are always some "bad apples" among the good ones any where in the world. But my success rate of hitting the good ones have been great with Brazilian women, so Brazil is the top spot for me. You did your due diligence but sometimes a few of them will still fall through the crack. I feel comfortable with my strategy for the clinicas, although I think it should only be used with the clinica girls. In a club like 4 x 4 or Scandallo, where you can actually go up and converse with the girls, some sort of screening should be done. Your experience has given me a great idea. Instead of ask the screening questions in a direct manner and possibly killing the vibe, I think its better if they can be inserted subtlety and indirectly during the conversation. I am a believer that if you treat a prostitute like a prostitute, she will most likely behave like a prostitute in bed. But if you treat her like a normal girl, you can, at least temporarily make her think of herself as your lover / GF and get that holy grail GFE.

I used to be one of those guys that fucks like a jack rabbit. No passion needed. But I'm mostly pass that stage and now indulge in slow sensual sex that's full of affection and passion (apologies if this is TMI).

Never heard of Oro. I may have to check it out when I return to SP. What is the pricing structure there?

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2360994]There are always some "bad apples" among the good ones any where in the world. But my success rate of hitting the good ones have been great with Brazilian women, so Brazil is the top spot for me. You did your due diligence but sometimes a few of them will still fall through the crack. I feel comfortable with my strategy for the clinicas, although I think it should only be used with the clinica girls. In a club like 4 x 4 or Scandallo, where you can actually go up and converse with the girls, some sort of screening should be done. Your experience has given me a great idea. Instead of ask the screening questions in a direct manner and possibly killing the vibe, I think its better if they can be inserted subtlety and indirectly during the conversation. I am a believer that if you treat a prostitute like a prostitute, she will most likely behave like a prostitute in bed. But if you treat her like a normal girl, you can, at least temporarily make her think of herself as your lover / GF and get that holy grail GFE.

I used to be one of those guys that fucks like a jack rabbit. No passion needed. But I'm mostly pass that stage and now indulge in slow sensual sex that's full of affection and passion (apologies if this is TMI).

Never heard of Oro. I may have to check it out when I return to SP. What is the pricing structure there?[/QUOTE]I think you make some good points. That's what happened the time I got great service: we kind of just got to know each other a bit. Eventually we had to cross the pricing issues but it didn't chill things out. She threw in things I didn't even know to ask for at that time.

As for ORO its +- 500 depending on how you pay. I've had amazing experiences there, so I check it out when I'm on that side of town. It's pricier for sure but I don't mind paying more if I can relax and the experience is up to par. My worst session there would have been my best one in Europe.

Most have silicone breast. Nothing outrageous though. They tend to be more dolled up. Lean. You won't find anyone too thick there. I'm not saying the girls are top model skinny. You just won't find anyone built like Cherokee d'ass there. YEMV.

This is my first time in the city and I realize not being fluent in Portuguese is brutal. I knew it was Winter time but I wasn't expecting it to be this cool. So far this city isn't stacking up to Rio circa 2015. I liked how you could chat / interview / party with chicas before the deed. Public transit is not for the faint of heart if it isn't within a 10 min. Walk within the metro station. Walking around town I would be surprised if I saw more than 5 hotties a hour. I checked out Tangara. I went here because guys spooked me Brooklin's lineup was underwhelming. Many Asian gents hanging out. The lineup was about 10 girls. Naturally the youngest and hottest chick (7.5) was busy. The other chicks were 6. 5's or below except for the tall 7 I considered until I saw her gut. I'm not a local so I'm not going to sit around for 2 hours to see their full lineup. It was already 8 o'clock. I decided I didn't mind spending a little extra coin so I ubered to Abobbara a shade before 7 p the next day. I liked the first menina Pollie and the 8th chick Julia. Between the two the madrina recommended Julia. Julia is tall and was wearing a sexy short dress. She said she is 23 and speaks Espanol and has medium brown hair. Possibly light braces on her teeth. We did CBJ, mish, CG, doggie. Stunningly she becomes tired during the deed. Being the nice guy I am and chalking it up to lack of chemistry I let her hit the shower at the 40 min. Mark. I did not tip even though I tipped all the Colombianas at the casas. The sex was so so. Not remotely like the hottest sex on the continent I was expecting. Especially since I could've had 3 comparable Colombians for that price. I'm not sure what market value is for a solid 8+ but I'm beginning to think around $R400 to 800. I am not as picky as usual but I don't have the time to check out all the clinicas and trying to find a gem. I went to a fast fuck place in Rio that had a better lineup than Abobbora. I think a negative to SP is that the girls have a loyal following with the local men so a gringo is not the end of the world. Guys here have no problem spending R170 on 6's. I like the city but I haven't been impressed with the females so far. I know some guys hit regular chicks on Brazil cupid etc. So that mitigates the pressure for finding a match at a clinica and also she can show him the city and they can spend more than a hour together. I will do my research and hit pricier spots this weekend.

[QUOTE=Cool;2361429]Guys here have no problem spending R170 on 6's. I like the city but I haven't been impressed with the females so far. I know some guys hit regular chicks on Brazil cupid etc. So that mitigates the pressure for finding a match at a clinica and also she can show him the city and they can spend more than a hour together. I will do my research and hit pricier spots this weekend.[/QUOTE]If you want consistent 8+ girls, you need to go to the top boates at night or book some well-reviewed escorts. Researching escorts will take a little time. The hot and popular escorts usually start at 400 reals. Some of the girls on PhotoAcompanhantes show their face. I believe sometimes the photos are verified.

If you don't have time, you could post a profile (i.e. tall, blonde, curvy, natural body, few tattoos, anal, etc). Someone might be able to send you in the right direction for an escort who meets that profile.

It's Sao Paulo! They have everything. ;)

Thought my SP buddies might enjoy these funny moments from the last year. Due to not speaking the same native language.

Thifany. My Brazilian unicorn that I flew to London. Two days in she confesses to me she is not sleeping well due to my snoring. So we agree to get some earplugs when we are out souvenir shopping. As we walk down the street after a few shops she says "I almost forgot. I need to get tampons!”

And I think oh fuck me in the ass, really? I mean we have theee days left and she gets her period?

After we start talking about where to get them etc it becomes clear she means EARPLUGS. Just an error in translation! Well I guess they both fill holes, so maybe the same in Português ? Anyhow. We both got a laugh.

Kendall. Diva London. I had been with Kendall the prior year. So when I showed up at her flat she recognized me. But she couldn't quite place me. Then she says as only a frank Romanian WG would: "oh I remember you. You fuck a lot. ".

So I say, yeah I mean I travel a lot and so I see a lot of girls. And she says "no no. I mean you fuck a very long time!" Hahaha. LOL. Cracked me up.

Cambria. Diva London. We are getting into it and she is on top and starts licking and sucking my ear. I want to encourage her so I tell her it feels really good. To which she says "Yeah. Old people like that. ".

Mildly offended I offer, "well I'm not THAT old. ".

And she laughs and says "I didn't say OLD people. I said ALL people ". Hahaha. OMG I laughed so hard.

Anyhow just a few of my lost in translation moments.

[QUOTE=Cool;2361429]This is my first time in the city and I realize not being fluent in Portuguese is brutal. I knew it was Winter time but I wasn't expecting it to be this cool. So far this city isn't stacking up to Rio circa 2015. I liked how you could chat / interview / party with chicas before the deed. Public transit is not for the faint of heart if it isn't within a 10 min. Walk within the metro station. Walking around town I would be surprised if I saw more than 5 hotties a hour. I checked out Tangara. I went here because guys spooked me Brooklin's lineup was underwhelming. Many Asian gents hanging out. The lineup was about 10 girls. Naturally the youngest and hottest chick (7.5) was busy. The other chicks were 6. 5's or below except for the tall 7 I considered until I saw her gut. I'm not a local so I'm not going to sit around for 2 hours to see their full lineup. It was already 8 o'clock. I decided I didn't mind spending a little extra coin so I ubered to Abobbara a shade before 7 p the next day. I liked the first menina Pollie and the 8th chick Julia. Between the two the madrina recommended Julia. Julia is tall and was wearing a sexy short dress. She said she is 23 and speaks Espanol and has medium brown hair. Possibly light braces on her teeth. We did CBJ, mish, CG, doggie. Stunningly she becomes tired during the deed. Being the nice guy I am and chalking it up to lack of chemistry I let her hit the shower at the 40 min. Mark. I did not tip even though I tipped all the Colombianas at the casas. The sex was so so. Not remotely like the hottest sex on the continent I was expecting. Especially since I could've had 3 comparable Colombians for that price. I'm not sure what market value is for a solid 8+ but I'm beginning to think around $R400 to 800..[/QUOTE]If you are in a rush better have a local wigman.

After one month in Buenos Aires I am back in Sao Paulo. Love the city of Buenos Aires but the mongering scene there is just not really that great. Only pulled the trigger 4 times and all of them were girls screened on Whatsapp. 4 ok sessions but nothing compared to Brazil. The bar and cafe scene are really dead and getting non pro's with minimal Spanish wasn't even in the cards. Although there were many traffic stopping Chica's walking around the streets. Shit I gained 12 pounds in one month. I couldn't help my self trying all of the great Paradillas, Northern Argentina Cazuelas, and Locros! Buenos Aires has arguably some of the best Pizza I have ever tasted. Only negative thing it was fucking freezing most of the days. I lived in the Colorado mountains for over 15 years and was never colder than the one month I spent in Buenos Aires.

OK first day back in Sao Paulo and I was horny as hell. 5 pm and started walking towards downtown, I passed a club called Skorpios (R. Nestor Pestana). I had never seen this place but I think it used to be where the old Kilt club was located. So I asked at the door what was going on. I thought it was a strip club but turns out it's a swinger club. Opens from 4 PM to 10 PM every day. OK WTF. R50 entry fee and they have a first floor bar and on the second floor 2 large beds. One bed open and the other behind a door which could be left open. Now for the clientele. Roughly about 20 guys and about 10 girls. All of the girls ranged from Hippo to Water Buffalo and way up there. Lots of tit grabbing, butt slapping, and surprisingly photos being taken but no real fucking. Thank God! Left after 1 beer and the barmaid would have been an interesting option if she was available. Asked if there is a 'best night' and got the standard Brazilian response 'mas o menos' every night.

Haven't heard much talk about the trash clubs in Sao Paulo but I had to unload big time, so after the freak show, I headed to American Bar at 345 Sao Joao. I had been meaning to try this place and thought this was a good time to explore. For those of you not familiar with the place it is 3 bars on different floors and then the bedrooms on the floors above them. The place is like Club 116 in Rio but much larger. Arrived about 6 pm and the place was packed on all floors. About 40 or 45 girls and maybe just as many guys. About 4 or 5 of them were solid 8's which surprised me. The rest ranged from 2 to 6 with a few 7's mixed in. Music not blaring loud so you can have a decent conversation. My hooker Portuguese is much better than my Spanish. Ordered a beer and almost immediately the idea of a dupla hit me. I haven't had one on my whole South American trip which I had started in May. So after my first beer and talking to a few Garotas, I decided on a real young thing (7) with huge tits. Who surprisingly spoke perfect English. I explained what I wanted and for her to pick a second girl. She picked her friend with even bigger tits. OK perfect. 30 minutes for R120 total for the 2 of them. Onto the upper floor bedrooms and was expecting those little cubicles with a small COT but was shocked to see a large bedroom with a queen. Lot's of room to move around. Yeah baby. I'm back in Brazil! Just a great time with 2 energetic young pieces of ass. I was juggling and sucking more tit than an entire ward of new born babies.

Why did I spent so much time in Buenos Aires? Oh well. I have another 2 months in Brazil with Ubatuba, Cabo Frio, Rio, and Fortaleza still planned. Not done with Sao Paulo for sure. Been to a lot of the clinicas here and some Rua Augusta boates and will definitely be doing them again. My favorite so far was Vani's Way, the lineup wouldn't stop. So much to choose from. But yesterday was really a lot of fun. I have another trash place on my to do list at are. Barão de Limeira, 134. It is the same setup as Uruguiana 24 in Rio. I was there just over a month ago and had a great time. It can be kind of intimidating because I really stick out in these places but what the hell. I don't bother any one and they don't bother me. Well that's all for now. I just have to try and figure out how I'm going to lose this weight with my love for Beer, Churrasco, and Feijoada!

RioHeart.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2361988]If you are in a rush better have a local wigman.[/QUOTE]That has dawned on me all week. Uber will have to be my Wingman to avoid traffic.

Thanks Wyatt for your advice. I decided to think outside the box and try a Prive. Made my maiden voyage to Prive Morambi. I was nervous because I didn't find any recent reports on this place. Lots of nearby shopping centers. 10 meninas for the presentation with 4-5 7's. That works. I chose Monica. Petite and cute. 27 years old. Some reason I thought she was Asian-Brazilian the first two times I saw her. She is not. And I didn't come here looking for hot Asian-Brasilenas even though that would work. Performance 7. 5/10. CBJ, mish, CG, doggie. I was happy with the performance and tipped her. I don't understand the local language but it seem my options were half hour for 150 or 2 hours for 350. This trip my endurance is crazy so a hour is nothing for me. I thought since I'm here I might as well do round 2 with another chica since the uber ride was already a sunk expense. I chose the tall, mulata, with died blonde hair, nose ring that was the first girl for my second presentation. Somehow the reception can't remember the first girl out of 4. Even crazier she is the tallest and the only one with a nose ring. When my second choice stepped out I decided to go with the flow. That has happened a few times this trip. I chose a shorty name Yura. 28 years old. Beautiful face. I'm realizing here small packages can have nice natural breasts. Finally, my long awaited BBJ. We do the normal positions and my time runs out. Session is 9/10. I am happy. I have to give Prive Morambi a glowing review. I think they should charge 180 for a hour. I wanted to return for third helpings but someone made me adventurous and put in my head a cheaper spot called Vani's way.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2362033]Haven't heard much talk about the trash clubs in Sao Paulo but I had to unload big time, so after the freak show, I headed to American Bar at 345 Sao Joao.[/QUOTE]Rua or Avenida Sao Joao 345?

So I checked out Casarao around 1:30 a on a weekend. I know this place could get pricey on a Brazil scale. At the door they broke down how the R40 consumable work. Roughly you get 3 beers versus the R20 dry. The dry is the safer bet to stay on budget if your not a heavy drinker. I know in Rio you should guard your key at Termaes. Some really hot chicks knew I was a newbie and they tried to shake me down. In Rio I let the girls and their amigas pour up as long as the drink isn't overly expensive. So by my math I drank a can of beer. My card should be down to R28. Then a hottie kept talking to me but the convo had growing pains due to the language barrier and I don't rely on Google. After awhile I offered her a beer, juice, or water a few times. After awhile we walk over to the counter and she presents her pink card (is this for garotas?) after I present my black card (hommes / punters?) After awhile I asked the bartender how much is on the card and he says 85. After running the possibilities through my head it dawns on me that the card is charging and they will collect when I exit. It's not a system where they theoretically deduct the R28 balance and collect the difference at the bar. I'm assuming the lady receives a kickback or commission since she presented her card too. It's not likely she switched cards with me. I'm assuming she ordered a roughly $20 USD drink. Coco water / Ciroc. Lesson learned do not offer gartoas drinks here because they are not going to let you skate off easy with a $10 drink. Casarao fits within my gringo budget as long as I don't let the garotas pull fast ones in Portuguese. I have no idea what their performance will be like. The hotties quoted me 250. Cool roughly $70 for a chick hotter than Tangara. Tangara charges roughly the same except you get an extra 20 minutes. And the room is included. There is an additional 50 for the room. If these chicks performances are good and I only had 1 night in town I would only go here. The chicks are as advertised. College aged hotties (8's). I didn't like the crowd. And they weren't playing enough Top 40 for me to get in the groove. But I didn't come here for the DJ. I like to take things slow and not dive head first into things except offering the big boobed garota a drink. The girl I wanted approached me. Twerked on me and kissed me. Once I understood the pricing structure I was tempted but cooler heads prevailed because I had already tossed up 2 garotas at a Prive 9 hrs. Earlier. I am no longer in my 20's and I didn't want to risk a surprise lack of performance with a commercial provider. I would only take that chance with a freebie or a girlfriend. If I run into the chick again or a hotter chick I may partake.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2362033]After one month in Buenos Aires I am back in Sao Paulo. Love the city of Buenos Aires but the mongering scene there is just not really that great. Only pulled the trigger 4 times and all of them were girls screened on Whatsapp. 4 ok sessions but nothing compared to Brazil. The bar and cafe scene are really dead and getting non pro's with minimal Spanish wasn't even in the cards. Although there were many traffic stopping Chica's walking around the streets. Shit I gained 12 pounds in one month. I couldn't help my self trying all of the great Paradillas, Northern Argentina Cazuelas, and Locros! Buenos Aires has arguably some of the best Pizza I have ever tasted. Only negative thing it was fucking freezing most of the days. I lived in the Colorado mountains for over 15 years and was never colder than the one month I spent in Buenos Aires..[/QUOTE]RH congratulations for your report.

Excellent report about your adventures, you dig gold when you have done a dupla for 180 reais. PM ME so we can exchange some different experiences for a really reasonable price. I would suggest you meet at Tangara, one of the best clinicas.

ABG.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2362033]After one month in Buenos Aires I am back in Sao Paulo. Love the city of Buenos Aires but the mongering scene there is just not really that great. Only pulled the trigger 4 times and all of them were girls screened on Whatsapp. 4 ok sessions but nothing compared to Brazil. The bar and cafe scene are really dead and getting non pro's with minimal Spanish wasn't even in the cards. Although there were many traffic stopping Chica's walking around the streets. Shit I gained 12 pounds in one month. I couldn't help my self trying all of the great Paradillas, Northern Argentina Cazuelas, and Locros! Buenos Aires has arguably some of the best Pizza I have ever tasted. Only negative thing it was fucking freezing most of the days. I lived in the Colorado mountains for over 15 years and was never colder than the one month I spent in Buenos Aires..[/QUOTE]RH, You are right, I also don't post the names of the GDPs who are at the good clinicas like Redway who opened again totally restored, as well as Red massagens, Kamna massagens, Tangara, Yankin, Wanis way. And Espaco Vergueiro.

Yesterday I did a great dupla in Tangara for 240 (around 60 USD for two girls) reais for 45 minutes, a real bargain compared to the cost of the boites.

BTW girls were Gabi BH and Larissa. For more details PM me.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2362189]Rua or Avenida Sao Joao 345?[/QUOTE]Avenida. Street is shut down because of construction but sidewalk still open.

Had to try Barão de Limeira, 134 yesterday and after walking up all of the steps to the 8th floor found a crazy, little older (probably late 30's), MILF. Very nice body. R30 for 15 minutes and to impress me in the little room she did a handstand on the COT while I played with her pussy. Two fingers in and if I could have somehow reached her mouth with my dick I would have. I didn't ask for it. But it was one for the books. That place is a Zoo!

Rioheart.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2362033]I headed to American Bar at 345 Sao Joao. I had been meaning to try this place and thought this was a good time to explore. For those of you not familiar with the place it is 3 bars on different floors and then the bedrooms on the floors above them. The place is like Club 116 in Rio but much larger. Arrived about 6 pm and the place was packed on all floors. About 40 or 45 girls and maybe just as many guys. About 4 or 5 of them were solid 8's which surprised me. The rest ranged from 2 to 6 with a few 7's mixed in. Music not blaring loud so you can have a decent conversation. My hooker Portuguese is much better than my Spanish.

Why did I spent so much time in Buenos Aires? Oh well. I have another 2 months in Brazil with Ubatuba, Cabo Frio, Rio, and Fortaleza still planned. Not done with Sao Paulo for sure. Been to a lot of the clinicas here and some Rua Augusta boates and will definitely be doing them again. My favorite so far was Vani's Way, the lineup wouldn't stop. So much to choose from. But yesterday was really a lot of fun. I have another trash place on my to do list at are. Baro de Limeira, 134. It is the same setup as Uruguiana 24 in Rio. I was there just over a month ago and had a great time. It can be kind of intimidating because I really stick out in these places but what the hell. I don't bother any one and they don't bother me. Well that's all for now. I just have to try and figure out how I'm going to lose this weight with my love for Beer, Churrasco, and Feijoada!

RioHeart.[/QUOTE]Great report RH. I was in SP a couple months ago and I was exclusively hitting the clinicas with some online action. I will be back in SP soon for 3 more weeks. This time my main focus will be the boates and twitter girls. Of course I also do plan on hitting the clinicas but just not as much. Now I will have to also add American Bar and Barao de Limeira to my list. Whats the day and time to hit these two places?

Barao de Limeira, is the address Alameda Barao de Limeira? A few blocks from American Bar.

[QUOTE=Cool;2362259] Lesson learned do not offer gartoas drinks here because they are not going to let you skate off easy with a $10 drink. Casarao fits within my gringo budget as long as I don't let the garotas pull fast ones in Portuguese. I have no idea what their performance will be like. The hotties quoted me 250. Cool roughly $70 for a chick hotter than Tangara. Tangara charges roughly the same except you get an extra 20 minutes. And the room is included. There is an additional 50 for the room. If these chicks performances are good and I only had 1 night in town I would only go here. The chicks are as advertised. College aged hotties (8's).[/QUOTE]Hey Cool,

Great reporting. Yeah, in these club you have to be cautious not to be taken advantage by the girls. I think you mentioned that you don't speak any Portuguese. So that makes you even more of a target. Back when I was a newbie, any girl who asked me for a drink I always bought them one. Now, I'm very selective. I only buy drinks for girls that I know I will pull. Don't feel pressured that you always have to buy drinks.

I'm surprised most girls did CBJ on you, that has not been my experience. Ill be going to Colombia before going to Brasil. And from what I've been reading on the Colombia forum, CBJ is the norm there and girls typically will up charge in the room for BBBJ. I was in Bogota and Medellin about 4 years ago and I found the Colombian girls to be NOT on par with the Brazilian girls. Except this one girl I sessioned with in a casa in Medellin. She was a real sweetheart. I hope on this trip I will be able to find more girls like her in Colombia. I would like to add another country besides Brasil I could monger in.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2362518]Great report RH. I was in SP a couple months ago and I was exclusively hitting the clinicas with some online action. I will be back in SP soon for 3 more weeks. This time my main focus will be the boates and twitter girls. Of course I also do plan on hitting the clinicas but just not as much. Now I will have to also add American Bar and Barao de Limeira to my list. Whats the day and time to hit these two places?

Barao de Limeira, is the address Alameda Barao de Limeira? A few blocks from American Bar.[/QUOTE]Yes, Alameda Barao de Limeira. Not sure I'd go down there too late at night. Close by the area is (Princesa Isabel Square) known as Cracolandia (Crack Land). I was there at 2 pm with plenty of Garotas and I saw them arriving the whole time I was there. I was at the American Bar around 7 pm and I think the girl said they are open from 4 pm to midnight.

A little about the 134 Circus logistics:

9 floors.

2 really small bars (except 9th floor has only 1 bar) on each floor playing there own separate music.

About 7 to 10 girls on each floor. Cubicles off to the side of each bar. R5 for a beer.

So that's 17 bars and about 70 to 80 Garotas!! Range of girls are 1 to 6 with a few 7's.

Never saw anything above that but who knows they could have been busy in the cubicles.

I did move up and down the floors a few times and saw different Garotas each time. Some of the girls I gave them a 1 because they did have a mouth.

Prices R30 for each 15 minutes. So that's 8 US dollars! I can't handle more than 15 minutes in those cubicles. Everything is covered.

All accessible by a winding stairs (Reminds me exactly of Buenos Aires 85 if some of the older mongers remember that Rio Palace).

Probably best way to hit it, is just walk up to the top floor at first and then make your way down. If your Portuguese is good enough you can have some real fun talking to all of girls.

They are all dressed in lingerie or bikinis and are not shy about trying to get you in the sack.

I would much rather monger this way than getting someone cold off the internet who you have no idea if there is any chemistry.

Went to Rua Augusta boate last night. I didn't see a name of the place on the outside but it's real close to Hotel Shack. R15 entry which gets you 1 beer. 30 yr. Old white blonde from Goiana. Big white teeth smile and unbelievable natural set of everything. Jessica Rabbit. I can never stay away from these types even though my best sessions have all been with that girl next to you on the subway type who you would just love to see if she's any good. But she was just so sexy. R150 for 40 minutes. Covered blow job and couldn't get her to budge on this. Mechanical at first but damn it turned into what I all a trampoline fuck. Just for a second I think we were suspended in the air from our thrusting rhythm. I was exhausted after 20 minutes so spent the rest of the time just cuddling.

I'm resting Sunday but planning my Monday escapade right now. I have been Whatsapping back and forth with a porn star who says she works out of a love hotel Messalina hotel with other girls. It's near Tatuape metro. I might have to make a run over there and see what that's all about.

Rioheart.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2362754]A little about the 134 Circus logistics:
9 floors.
2 really small bars (except 9th floor has only 1 bar) on each floor playing there own separate music.
About 7 to 10 girls on each floor. Cubicles off to the side of each bar. R5 for a beer.
So that's 17 bars and about 70 to 80 Garotas!! Range of girls are 1 to 6 with a few 7's.
Never saw anything above that but who knows they could have been busy in the cubicles.
I did move up and down the floors a few times and saw different Garotas each time. Some of the girls I gave them a 1 because they did have a mouth.
Prices R30 for each 15 minutes. So that's 8 US dollars! I can't handle more than 15 minutes in those cubicles. Everything is covered.
All accessible by a winding stairs (Reminds me exactly of Buenos Aires 85 if some of the older mongers remember that Rio Palace).
Probably best way to hit it, is just walk up to the top floor at first and then make your way down. If your Portuguese is good enough you can have some real fun talking to all of girls.
They are all dressed in lingerie or bikinis and are not shy about trying to get you in the sack..[/QUOTE]Funny, as I was reading your description of Barao de Limeira, I was like that sounds exactly like BA 85. Except I believe BA 85 had only 5 floors and just one bar on each floor. Loved that place except for the spiral steel staircase.

The majority were black girls. Back then I was still a newbie and I was only foreigner there so I was intimidated by some of the girls. My Portuguese was almost nonexistent back then as well. But I stall had some decent fucks there. Sad that its closed. Now I have to go all the way to VM if I want a cheap quickie. Just for nostalgia, I will have to pay Barao de Limeira a visit.

It seems to me like the best value for the money are the bars along Rua Augusta. Badly regret that I didn't visit them. But this time when I go back I will definitely make them a priority. Last time I stayed in AirBnBs in Santana. But this time I want to stay close to Rua Augusta. Do you have any recommendations as to areas in Centro that are relatively safe and / or areas to avoid?

I wish I could return a favor and give you some recommendations but you seem to know the ins and outs of SP much much better than I do. I will be in SP from the last week of September to mid October. If you are still in town, let me know, maybe we can meet and you can show me around.

What advice do you have for a successful dupla? I'm looking forward to my first, this coming week. Will likely try it at either Tangara or AbboborA.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2362754]Yes, Alameda Barao de Limeira. Not sure I'd go down there too late at night. Close by the area is (Princesa Isabel Square) known as Cracolandia (Crack Land). I was there at 2 pm with plenty of Garotas and I saw them arriving the whole time I was there. I was at the American Bar around 7 pm and I think the girl said they are open from 4 pm to midnight.

.[/QUOTE]The building closes at about 9 pm.

Be very careful after dark, like you said, bad area.

My two attempted muggings in SP over the years happened around there.

Incidentally, while I was there once, a few years back, the police raided the place.

They crowded all the guys into an area of the building, took IDs from all the guys, and did a check of IDs.

Afterwards the head Police dude returned my ID and told me to enjoy, LOL.

They were doing a random raid looking for bad guys with warrants, etc.

[QUOTE=SnarkHunter;2362970]What advice do you have for a successful dupla? I'm looking forward to my first, this coming week. Will likely try it at either Tangara or AbboborA.[/QUOTE]I have not done too many duplas, but when I have, they have all just been outstanding and given memories that will last for a lifetime! What was the key? Well, for sure this advice that I read from long ago was key. You pick a girl you like. But then you let her pick a girl she likes! That way, you know that both of the girls are going to be into it too. That's always worked for me, and I've been lucky enough to have been attracted enough to both the girls to desire banging the both of them. Hope that helps, and have fun!

[QUOTE=SnarkHunter;2362970]What advice do you have for a successful dupla? I'm looking forward to my first, this coming week. Will likely try it at either Tangara or AbboborA.[/QUOTE]I have done many duos many times in German FKKs. They are fun because both of my heads are kept busy the whole time. I too do the same as Cane except I ask the first girl to discreetly point me to 2-3 of her friends (or who she is comfortable doing duo with), then I pick one of them I like. I am not sure if typical Clinica would have enough girls in the lineup to make it work.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2363368]I have done many duos many times in German FKKs. They are fun because both of my heads are kept busy the whole time. I too do the same as Cane except I ask the first girl to discreetly point me to 2-3 of her friends (or who she is comfortable doing duo with), then I pick one of them I like. I am not sure if typical Clinica would have enough girls in the lineup to make it work.[/QUOTE]Only had one dupla in Brazil. Echo the let her pick advice. If I may suggest my favorite Dupla position (thanks to Cambria and Kendall at Diva London) it goes as follows:

Position girl one on bed at edge on all fours — you standing on floor at edge of bed. You can enter her doggie or she can blow you. Girl two stands on bed and straddles girl one, facing you (kinda like she is riding girl1). Now you DFK girl2. And work her chest or pussy with your hands (when doing doggy you may have to grab girl ones hips — oh well).

This is just spectacular IMO. Best of luck!

I noticed there is not a lot of a discussion about extras except anal. Does it mean CIM is usually included in the price? What is the average cost for anal in clubs like Scandallo and casarao?

Is it necessary to buy electric converter to charge phone in SP?

Is anyone here going to be in SP later this week and early next week?

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2361632]If you want consistent 8+ girls, you need to go to the top boates at night or book some well-reviewed escorts. Researching escorts will take a little time. The hot and popular escorts usually start at 400 reals. Some of the girls on PhotoAcompanhantes show their face. I believe sometimes the photos are verified.

If you don't have time, you could post a profile (i.e. tall, blonde, curvy, natural body, few tattoos, anal, etc). Someone might be able to send you in the right direction for an escort who meets that profile.

It's Sao Paulo! They have everything.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. I'm coming to SP for the first time and won't have time to dig into the local scene to find diamonds in the rough. So I'll just be looking to hit the top boates at night. What boates would you suggest one hits to find the top talent?

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2362033] Snip. Haven't heard much talk about the trash clubs in Sao Paulo but I had to unload big time, so after the freak show, I headed to American Bar at 345 Sao Joao. I had been meaning to try this place and thought this was a good time to explore. For those of you not familiar with the place it is 3 bars on different floors and then the bedrooms on the floors above them. The place is like Club 116 in Rio but much larger. Arrived about 6 pm and the place was packed on all floors. About 40 or 45 girls and maybe just as many guys. About 4 or 5 of them were solid 8's which surprised me. The rest ranged from 2 to 6 with a few 7's mixed in. Music not blaring loud so you can have a decent conversation. My hooker Portuguese is much better than my Spanish. Ordered a beer and almost immediately the idea of a dupla hit me. I haven't had one on my whole South American trip which I had started in May. So after my first beer and talking to a few Garotas, I decided on a real young thing (7) with huge tits. Who surprisingly spoke perfect English. I explained what I wanted and for her to pick a second girl. She picked her friend with even bigger tits. OK perfect. 30 minutes for R120 total for the 2 of them. Onto the upper floor bedrooms and was expecting those little cubicles with a small COT but was shocked to see a large bedroom with a queen. Lot's of room to move around. Yeah baby. I'm back in Brazil! Just a great time with 2 energetic young pieces of ass. I was juggling and sucking more tit than an entire ward of new born babies.
Snip.[/QUOTE]Googled American Bar at 345 Avenida Sao Joao. No results for American bar but Google maps shows the address to be Fazenda Grill. Next door at 343 there appears to be a door that might be the entrance to the place but there is no sign, just the number, like some clinicas that have no names displayed, just the address number. Is 343 the actual address? Also, the building seems to be covered in netting on Google maps. Was it like that when you went?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2363495]Googled American Bar at 345 Avenida Sao Joao. No results for American bar but Google maps shows the address to be Fazenda Grill. Next door at 343 there appears to be a door that might be the entrance to the place but there is no sign, just the number, like some clinicas that have no names displayed, just the address number. Is 343 the actual address? Also, the building seems to be covered in netting on Google maps. Was it like that when you went?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/Av.[/URL]+São+João,+345+-+Centro+Histórico+de+São+Paulo,+São+Paulo+-+SP,+01036-000/ at -23.544011,-46.6400278,17 z / data=!3 m1!4 b1!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x94 ce58515 cf51 cc7:0 xa67 f75 f21460 ecbe!8 m2!3 d-23.544011!4 d-46.6378391.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2363495]Is 343 the actual address? Also, the building seems to be covered in netting on Google maps. Was it like that when you went?[/QUOTE]Yeah the address is 343. The date on my google map street view is August 2017 so I don't think there is any netting now.

There is no name on the building and right now the entire street / plaza is under construction out front. But all of the sidewalks and businesses are still open. I did see a poster as you walk through the door advertising a Churrasco celebration soon, but I didn't look at it very closely and did not even check out the dates. There are many places clinicas / clubs / boates / bars all over this city with no names on the front.

Rioheart.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2362915] But this time I want to stay close to Rua Augusta. Do you have any recommendations as to areas in Centro that are relatively safe and / or areas to avoid?[/QUOTE]Stayed in Airbnb a block off Rua Augusta near Metro Higienopolis for 3 weeks. Felt safe and I walked around that area as late as 3 AM.

Have never been to Centro after 8 PM so would not really recommend the area. Used to go to an X-rated cinema downtown (it's now called Cinemão Stud G) where they had strip shows, live sex shows, and girls available for private and even public (blow jobs in the seats). Cinema is only for gay men now. Really different from any place that I've ever been in Sao Paulo. They had a full bar too!

Also will not be anywhere near Sao Paulo in September or October.

Rioheart.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2363599]Yeah the address is 343. The date on my google map street view is August 2017 so I don't think there is any netting now.

There is no name on the building and right now the entire street / plaza is under construction out front. But all of the sidewalks and businesses are still open. I did see a poster as you walk through the door advertising a Churrasco celebration soon, but I didn't look at it very closely and did not even check out the dates. There are many places clinicas / clubs / boates / bars all over this city with no names on the front.

Rioheart.[/QUOTE]Dammit I meant 345.

I came up with four names.

Which one is it?

Casarão American Bar.

Café Caléche American Bar.

Cafe American Bar.

Bahamas American Bar.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2363495]Googled American Bar at 345 Avenida Sao Joao. No results for American bar but Google maps shows the address to be Fazenda Grill. Next door at 343 there appears to be a door that might be the entrance to the place but there is no sign, just the number, like some clinicas that have no names displayed, just the address number. Is 343 the actual address? Also, the building seems to be covered in netting on Google maps. Was it like that when you went?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2363738]I came up with four names.

Which one is it?

Casaro American Bar.

Caf Calche American Bar.

Cafe American Bar.

Bahamas American Bar.[/QUOTE]I stopped in on a trash club once called Balneário American Bar. It was literally right next door to the more popular and well-reviewed Casarao American Bar that you have on your list.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2363424]Thanks for the advice. I'm coming to SP for the first time and won't have time to dig into the local scene to find diamonds in the rough. So I'll just be looking to hit the top boates at night. What boates would you suggest one hits to find the top talent?[/QUOTE]Start at Scandallo. If the prices overwhelm you, give Casarao a try.

You need to read up though and find out the typical negotiated rates. There's also a lot of good insight on how to screen the boate girls.

Hit Casaro last night at about 11 pm.

New set up since I last went.

You pay when you leave for the entrance, etc.

Seemed as though there were way more dudes than girls last night.

I spotted maybe 5 girls total that were attractive enough for me.

I was talking to one of the nicer looking girls, however, was not getting a good vibe.

So I followed my monger sense, and left her.

Decided to leave.

However, on my walk towards the door to leave, I spotted a sexy morena with cinnamon colored skin, thin but with a nice booty, and pretty nice breasts.

Her name was Bruna.

We talked and flirted a bit. I was really digging the vibe here with her.

She began very nice deep kissing and massaging and touching, etc.

I whispered in her ear that I had 200R total to go up and have fun, expecting her to counter offer me.

She said, great! 150R for her 40R for the room.

I said, great! Let's go!

Great time!

No line for the room, it was fairly early at about midnight.

She was fantastic, total GFE, total everything.

After finishing up, leaving the room, the line and wait for the rooms was very long.

Glad we got up there early.

So, here's a first for me.

She went downstairs first, I sat upstairs for maybe 10 minutes looking at the line of couples waiting for a room.

Interesting to watch.

After going downstairs, I decided to take a walk about the place before leaving.

Arriving downstairs, I spotted Bruna standing alone, she smiled when she saw me, called me over.

We talked a bit more and she began deep kissing me again. She is really good.

Anyway she says that she really wants to come home with me.

She didn't want to stay at the club.

I tell her that I didn't have enough to pay the bar fine or her.

She said that she'the pay the bar fine, and not to worry about paying her.

I was shocked.

I asked her if she really wanted to go, she said, sim! Yes!

So we left together, and she paid the 100R to leave.

I signed her into my hotel, got to the room and had another great, and longer make love session.

We slept well, woke up late, made love again, had lunch, and she just left in an Uber I ordered, with promises to see each other again soon.

Of course! Duh, LOL.

Great chemistry together.

P.S. . I did go to the ATM downstairs, though she never asked, and got her 300R.

100R for reimbursement of the bar fine, and 200R for her.

She was just so damn nice and good to leave her without anything.

Anyway, definitely a first for me, a girl paying a bar fine, to go home with me.

Crazy cool!

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2363407]
Is it necessary to buy electric converter to charge phone in SP?[/QUOTE]Based on googled info Brasil uses 110 v and 120 v electric outles.

I got to SP today, the hotel I am staying in has 120 v outles so I used my European electrical converter to change my phone.

If any new bees planning to visit SP and wondering if you need to buy some kind of electrical converter like I didq then now you know what you could do.

In one of the trip reports it was suggested to go to departures to find Uber stand. I did follow that suggestion without success. I think it is easier to find / catch Uber outside arrivals. Step out of the arrivals building. The The vehicle traffic move from your left to right. There are 2 pedestrian crossings to cross to the opposite side. Go to the leftmost one and cross and get to the 2nd platform. Book your ride from there and you will have a good view of vehicles coming towards you to easily identify your Uber.

Taxis are plentiful but I think having Uber on your phone would make getting around lot easier. I never used Uber until yesterday. I just installed the app, setup an account that is it. I have Google Fiber so I don't have to deal with switching SIMs etc. I have no issues ordering Uber rides even though I have US phone number.

Some of the ATMs at in arrivals just before you exit the building give out max of 1000 are with 29 are fee. Unless you really need cash there is no need to get cash from those ATM.

If you are staying in Moemo then you could get cash from one of the many available bank ATMs in the area. I used Bradesco. Their ATM Limit is much higher than the ones at Airport (I am not sure if the limit depends on the card you use). I saw many Bradesco location in the Moemo area I am staying.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2364668]In one of the trip reports it was suggested to go to departures to find Uber stand. I did follow that suggestion without success. I think it is easier to find / catch Uber outside arrivals. Step out of the arrivals building. The The vehicle traffic move from your left to right. There are 2 pedestrian crossings to cross to the opposite side. Go to the leftmost one and cross and get to the 2nd platform. Book your ride from there and you will have a good view of vehicles coming towards you to easily identify your Uber.

Taxis are plentiful but I think having Uber on your phone would make getting around lot easier. I never used Uber until yesterday. I just installed the app, setup an account that is it. I have Google Fiber so I don't have to deal with switching SIMs etc. I have no issues ordering Uber rides even though I have US phone number.[/QUOTE]Yeah not only is it convenient it is crazy cheap. You can drive all the way across SP (Scandallo to Casarao say) and it will be like $6 US. You cannot beat it.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2364668]In one of the trip reports it was suggested to go to departures to find Uber stand. I did follow that suggestion without success. I think it is easier to find / catch Uber outside arrivals. Step out of the arrivals building. The The vehicle traffic move from your left to right. There are 2 pedestrian crossings to cross to the opposite side. Go to the leftmost one and cross and get to the 2nd platform. Book your ride from there and you will have a good view of vehicles coming towards you to easily identify your Uber.

Taxis are plentiful but I think having Uber on your phone would make getting around lot easier. I never used Uber until yesterday. I just installed the app, setup an account that is it. I have Google Fiber so I don't have to deal with switching SIMs etc. I have no issues ordering Uber rides even though I have US phone number.[/QUOTE]I fell into an Uber blackhole. After about a week or so (not my first trip here using Uber) I wasn't able to order rides anymore. Kept getting error messages. Reached out to Uber dozens of times to get a resolution. (My payment methods were legit, active and on notice of my travel). Result. Instead of saving my problem, Uber decided to kicke me off their platform.

There are other options for ride sharing also: 99 and Cabify are in SPas well.

I'd prefer to be using Uber, but I think they figured it was easier to kick me off their platform, then to solve the unresolvable error that the app kept reporting when I tried to order rides. Either that or they took issue with my travel. I think it was the former.

In any case, know that you have more than one option if you get stuck or want to use a company other than Uber for whatever reasons.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2364674]Yeah not only is it convenient it is crazy cheap. You can drive all the way across SP (Scandallo to Casarao say) and it will be like $6 US. You cannot beat it.[/QUOTE]Yup! My Uber ride from airport to Moemo is so long and took forever and it cost me less than 20 US.

The ease of ordering a ride with few finger tips on your phone standing pretty much anywhere in the city. No need to explain where your are at, which street, which corner etc. There is no way I can imagine calling a cab company in SP and order a ride in Portuguese (I speak zero Portuguese).

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2364682]Yup! My Uber ride from airport to Moemo is so long and took forever and it cost me less than 20 US.[/QUOTE]The service is so popular that the north of Moema is referred to by locals as "Uberabinha". Just don't let the driver scam you into taking you to Uberlandia, as that will cost you a thousand dollars.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2364665]Based on googled info Brasil uses 110 v and 120 v electric outles.

I got to SP today, the hotel I am staying in has 120 v outles so I used my European electrical converter to change my phone.

If any new bees planning to visit SP and wondering if you need to buy some kind of electrical converter like I didq then now you know what you could do.[/QUOTE]Any hotel in Moema will supply you with an adaptor. GRU airport has 220 V, for example.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2364576]Hit Casaro last night at about 11 pm. I decided to leave. However, on my walk towards the door to leave, I spotted a sexy morena with cinnamon colored skin, thin but with a nice booty, and pretty nice breasts. Her name was Bruna. We talked and flirted a bit. I was really digging the vibe here with her. She began very nice deep kissing and massaging and touching, etc. I whispered in her ear that I had 200R total to go up and have fun, expecting her to counter offer me. She said, great! 150R for her 40R for the room. I said, great! Let's go! Great time![/QUOTE]That was so inexpensive! Especially given current exchange rates. Exactly how much time did that get you in the room? And I know that can't be the standard going rate at Casarao now can it? How much do the girls normally ask for at Casarao these days for a solid hour in the room? And how about with anal thrown in? Prevailing Casarao pricing info from reliable field reporters greatly appreciated!

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2364682]Yup! My Uber ride from airport to Moemo is so long and took forever and it cost me less than 20 US.

The ease of ordering a ride with few finger tips on your phone standing pretty much anywhere in the city. No need to explain where your are at, which street, which corner etc. There is no way I can imagine calling a cab company in SP and order a ride in Portuguese (I speak zero Portuguese).[/QUOTE]I was able to get to all the casas in Vila mariana, Moema, Sao Judas, and Mooca with the Metro and some walking. I love SP's metro, it's so convenient and cheap. I will be staying at an AirBnB close to Rua Augusta this upcoming trip so I think I will be able to get by walking to Casarao and the other bars. I may be the minority here but if I had to choose I would much rather live in SP than Rio.

There is a much cheaper way of getting from GRU to Centro / Moema via public transportation. I used it on this past trip to and from the airport. My flight via COPA arrived at terminal #2. Exit the terminal and turn left and follow the sidewalk. After a short walk, you will come across a big bus stop sign that has the bus number 257 with the destination Tatuape Metro Station. Price of ticket is R6. 45. I think there is a bus every 20 or so minutes. The bus will drop you right in front of Tatuape metro station. From there you can the take the metro for R4. 30 and get to you final destination. The bus is very safe and both times the bus was full of passengers.

In Rio, Uber was not working for me, so I downloaded 99 instead and it was working flawlessly for me.

[QUOTE=MixedSalad07;2364679]I fell into an Uber blackhole. After about a week or so (not my first trip here using Uber) I wasn't able to order rides anymore. Kept getting error messages. Reached out to Uber dozens of times to get a resolution. (My payment methods were legit, active and on notice of my travel). Result. Instead of saving my problem, Uber decided to kicke me off their platform.

There are other options for ride sharing also: 99 and Cabify are in SPas well.

[/QUOTE]Good to know there are other options.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2364741]That was so inexpensive! Especially given current exchange rates. Exactly how much time did that get you in the room? And I know that can't be the standard going rate at Casarao now can it? How much do the girls normally ask for at Casarao these days for a solid hour in the room? And how about with anal thrown in? Prevailing Casarao pricing info from reliable field reporters greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]We were in the room for 40 minutes.

A couple of the girls I spoke with quoted, 250R for 40 min, plus the room cost of 40R

I didn't ask about an hour, or anal.

I don't believe it would be difficult to get 40 min for 200R plus the room, or 150R if a girl likes you.

The girl I went with didn't flinch at 150R for her.

I've been going to Casarao now for over 15 years.

There are the girls there that are Casarao pros, they'll sum up a guy quickly and get whatever they think they can get, depending on whether he's a knowledgeable Brazilian guy or an unsuspecting gringo, or something in between.

Then there are the generally sweeter girls, part timers, newbies, etc, who are just hoping to make something, and if they like you, will accept even less.

My take anyway.

[QUOTE=SnarkHunter;2362970]What advice do you have for a successful dupla? I'm looking forward to my first, this coming week. Will likely try it at either Tangara or AbboborA.[/QUOTE]At Tangará ask Takuma, the manager, he will indicate girls who do a good job.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2363407]I noticed there is not a lot of a discussion about extras except anal. Does it mean CIM is usually included in the price? What is the average cost for anal in clubs like Scandallo and casarao?

Is it necessary to buy electric converter to charge phone in SP?

Is anyone here going to be in SP later this week and early next week?[/QUOTE]Much easier to find girls who perform BBBJ / CIM in clinicas than in the boites. I normally go to Tangara when I'm after a good BBBJ and CIM. Normally a tip of 30 up to 50 reais is expected from the girls. All included for 220 reais girl + room for onr hour. This is a fraction of what you will pay in a boite!

Normally the hotels supply you whit an electric converter for your charger. Voltage is 110 V 60 Hz in São Paulo.

PM me for details. I can be your wingman as I live in SP.

ABG.

This afternoon I went to Tangara decided to do a great dupla with to girls. One blonde and the other an ebony mulata.

Cost 220 reais 45 minutes all included; romo and the two girls. A fraction of the price you'll pay at a boite!

One of the best duplas I ever had, the girls did interact very well, both BBBJ and CIM lovers. DATY also is appreciated.

Pm me for details. I cannot post my phone or whatsapp on the open board.

ABG.

Hey, I'm thinking of checking out the Sao Paulo scene for the first time. I've never hired a woman before so I'm completely new to this. I'm not interested in boates or similar establishments so I've been looking at sites like Agenda31, SPlove, Confrariars, Clubmodel etc. I've scanned threads pretty thoroughly but haven't noticed much talk about those as the focus amongst forum users seems to be mostly on the clubs.

I'm looking for advice as to what to do / not do specific to contacting a girl through one of these sites, proper etiquette / precautions and general safety. I'm unsure if it would be a better course of action to go to one of their flats or have one come to my hotel room. I expect to be staying somewhere in Jardins in an upscale though not luxury hotel.

I'm also curious as to what the difference is between the women and sites I mentioned vs Photoacompanhantes and what can be found there. I'm unsure if the aforementioned sites are agencies or what.

I've done some research on Guiaadulto and GPguia to see the prices being charged by those I'm most interested in.

I speak very little Portuguese so I would be communicating in English.

Also, should I be wary of the ones who only have pro photos on sites like Agenda31 but no selfies or Twitter accounts to be found?

Thanks for the help.

[QUOTE=AznSafado;2323463]After getting tired of seeing the same faces on the Moema Rectangle Tour, I decided to try something a little different. For those of you who don't know what the Moema Rectangle is, it's the following (can't really draw a rectangle properly with this forum interface) clinicas all within walking distance of each other:

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1) Prime (Av Irai 511) ========================> 2) Miruna's (Av Miruna 644)
4) Enjoy (Rua Condessa do Pinhal, 279) <============= 3) Abbobora (Alameda dos Guaramomis 1275)
[/NOPARSE]

I couldn't really find any reviews of this [B]Doutora Oyama[/B] massage place on GpGuia and only found some 10 year old reviews on ISG. Apparently, this place has been around since 1970! I went to this place on a Friday afternoon at 5 pm. I was greeted by the receptionist who was very nice and offered me water, coffee, etc. She took me to a small room with a wall of pictures of 8 different girls. Just the typical shots of them in lingerie or whatever and not too touched up. I asked about a few of them such as how old they were and if they had natural or silicone tits. She answered all my questions so I chose a petite morena. How it works is you pay 250 reais to the house and then pay for extras with the girl..[/QUOTE]Had two sessions here recently. Both sessions were good. No real surprises. The second time I went a different masseuse gave me CBJ. Her massage was good but seemed more mechanical than my previous session, so I wasn't surprised she threw the condom on.

Agree with AznSafado. If you want a decent massage as well as FS this is an option to consider.

[QUOTE=MixedSalad07;2365648]Had two sessions here recently. Both sessions were good. No real surprises. The second time I went a different masseuse gave me CBJ. Her massage was good but seemed more mechanical than my previous session, so I wasn't surprised she threw the condom on.

Agree with AznSafado. If you want a decent massage as well as FS this is an option to consider.[/QUOTE]The masseuse who gave CBJ went by Leticia (or something similar). I probably could have objected but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. The massage was (part of) the reason I went there vs another clinica.

Sessioned at Tangara for the first time. BBBJ, CIM, decent experience, just not my go to establishment. The line up and facilities aren't the best. In any case, I was treated very well.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2365028]There is a much cheaper way of getting from GRU to Centro / Moema via public transportation. I used it on this past trip to and from the airport. My flight via COPA arrived at terminal #2. Exit the terminal and turn left and follow the sidewalk. After a short walk, you will come across a big bus stop sign that has the bus number 257 with the destination Tatuape Metro Station. Price of ticket is R6. 45. I think there is a bus every 20 or so minutes. The bus will drop you right in front of Tatuape metro station. From there you can the take the metro for R4. 30 and get to you final destination. The bus is very safe and both times the bus was full of passengers.[/QUOTE]Funny, that's exactly how I get to and from the airport. Even better if you have a night flight out, you can metro to Tatuape Metro and there is a love motel Messalina about 50 yards behind the 257 stop. So you can spend 4 hours there for R85 and order in a girl and then walk across the street to the bus and be at the airport 40 minutes later.

Rioheart.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2365028]There is a much cheaper way of getting from GRU to Centro / Moema via public transportation. I used it on this past trip to and from the airport. My flight via COPA arrived at terminal #2. Exit the terminal and turn left and follow the sidewalk. After a short walk, you will come across a big bus stop sign that has the bus number 257 with the destination Tatuape Metro Station. Price of ticket is R6. 45. I think there is a bus every 20 or so minutes. The bus will drop you right in front of Tatuape metro station. From there you can the take the metro for R4. 30 and get to you final destination. The bus is very safe and both times the bus was full of passengers.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing.

I am now sitting in my hotel room, waiting for a girl from SPlove to come. Anyway, I met this girl few months ago, and at that time she only wanted 2 k reais for the whole day. And this time when I come back. When I tell her 2 k for the whole night again, she refused, and wanted more. Like 2. 8 k. Greedy. I know at this point, it is time for me to change girls. It is her loss. I told her the last time I gave you the same thing, and she said last time is the past. LOL, well screw her. It is her loss and she does not have any customer for today, but still want to be greedy.

Anyway, I am planning to go to Scandallo or other clubs tonight. PM me if you are currently in SP and would like to drink a few, and chat.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2366581]I am now sitting in my hotel room, waiting for a girl from SPlove to come. Anyway, I met this girl few months ago, and at that time she only wanted 2 k reais for the whole day. And this time when I come back. When I tell her 2 k for the whole night again, she refused, and wanted more. Like 2. 8 k. Greedy. I know at this point, it is time for me to change girls. It is her loss. I told her the last time I gave you the same thing, and she said last time is the past. LOL, well screw her. It is her loss and she does not have any customer for today, but still want to be greedy.

Anyway, I am planning to go to Scandallo or other clubs tonight. PM me if you are currently in SP and would like to drink a few, and chat.[/QUOTE]It would help to disclose this so others don't get caught up in this too.

One reason for the price increase could be that this year has been pretty slow for independents. So she's just trying to grab what she can.

Brazilian loucura. Economy slows, raise prices.

Jib Reach.

[QUOTE=JibReach;2366646]It would help to disclose this so others don't get caught up in this too.

One reason for the price increase could be that this year has been pretty slow for independents. So she's just trying to grab what she can.

Brazilian loucura. Economy slows, raise prices.

Jib Reach.[/QUOTE]She is a good person, so I will not disclose her. Only thing is she is not willing to come down with the price. Still stuck at $400 reais per hour mentality for 4 hours, 6 hours, 8 hours is still the same.

I met another girl yesterday from website. And she only wanted 1500 from 6 to 12 am, when I ask her what about to 2 am she said 1200. I was quite surprised.

[QUOTE=Custom56;2365524]Hey, I'm thinking of checking out the Sao Paulo scene for the first time. I've never hired a woman before so I'm completely new to this. I'm not interested in boates or similar establishments so I've been looking at sites like Agenda31, SPlove, Confrariars, Clubmodel etc. I've scanned threads pretty thoroughly but haven't noticed much talk about those as the focus amongst forum users seems to be mostly on the clubs.

I'm looking for advice as to what to do / not do specific to contacting a girl through one of these sites, proper etiquette / precautions and general safety. I'm unsure if it would be a better course of action to go to one of their flats or have one come to my hotel room. I expect to be staying somewhere in Jardins in an upscale though not luxury hotel.

I'm also curious as to what the difference is between the women and sites I mentioned vs Photoacompanhantes and what can be found there. I'm unsure if the aforementioned sites are agencies or what.
[/QUOTE]SPLove, ClubModel and Private55 are the most trustable websites to find independent girls in Sao Paulo.

PhotoAcompanhantes you can find cheaper options but there are many fake girls there, so you got to be careful. If you're looking through PhotoAcompanhantes, make sure the girl have some good reviews at GPGuia or a verified profile.

On Twitter you can find good options too and it's also trustable because girls post selfie pics and videos, etc.

Whenever you're contacting these girls, just be clear and straight to the point. Something like "Hey, I saw your profile / ad at_ and would like to get more info about your services."

Most independent girls advertising at websites like SPLove, ClubModel and Private55 have their own places, their places / flats are usually located at Jardins or Moema area. Some girls in Twitter usually don't have their own places / flats, so you can ask them to go to your hotel.

You can try to use Google Translate to text them, but also some girls can speak some decent English.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2363607]Stayed in Airbnb a block off Rua Augusta near Metro Higienopolis for 3 weeks. Felt safe and I walked around that area as late as 3 AM.

Also will not be anywhere near Sao Paulo in September or October.

Rioheart.[/QUOTE]Is October a bad time to visit Sao Paulo?

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2366940]She is a good person, so I will not disclose her. Only thing is she is not willing to come down with the price. Still stuck at $400 reais per hour mentality for 4 hours, 6 hours, 8 hours is still the same.

I met another girl yesterday from website. And she only wanted 1500 from 6 to 12 am, when I ask her what about to 2 am she said 1200. I was quite surprised.[/QUOTE]Fair enough.

The pricing that makes me shake my head is 400 the first hour (200 per half hour), next half hour is 100, fourth half hour is 150. Defoe's logic.

Jib Reach.

[QUOTE=CharmingIL;2366942]SPLove, ClubModel and Private55 are the most trustable websites to find independent girls in Sao Paulo.

PhotoAcompanhantes you can find cheaper options but there are many fake girls there, so you got to be careful. If you're looking through PhotoAcompanhantes, make sure the girl have some good reviews at GPGuia or a verified profile.

On Twitter you can find good options too and it's also trustable because girls post selfie pics and videos, etc.

Whenever you're contacting these girls, just be clear and straight to the point. Something like "Hey, I saw your profile / ad at_ and would like to get more info about your services."

Most independent girls advertising at websites like SPLove, ClubModel and Private55 have their own places, their places / flats are usually located at Jardins or Moema area. Some girls in Twitter usually don't have their own places / flats, so you can ask them to go to your hotel.

You can try to use Google Translate to text them, but also some girls can speak some decent English.[/QUOTE]If you do go on photaacompanhantes and fancy petite Latinas Mary Ninfeta is super pretty and an oral nympho. Her BBBJ with CIM and swallow is really spectacular. Nice set of natural cee-dee cups and really sweet to boot.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2367080]Is October a bad time to visit Sao Paulo?[/QUOTE]No, it's as good as any time.

My 6 night trip to SP and Foz do Igurzu.

Airport to hotel:

I arrived in Sao Paulo's GRU airport. I exited arrivals building by walking through sliding glass door and went to second platform / side walk after crossing 2 sets of traffic lanes. Using Uber app I requested a ride. I never used Uber prior to this trip. I installed the app and setup the account prior to arriving in Brazil. My ride arrived in few minutes and took me to my hotel in Moemo. Airport to Moemo usually takes and hour but my ride took close to 2 hours because of heavy morning rush hour traffic.

I got to a different location of terminal when I arrived GRU by a domestic flight from Foz do Iguazu. Finding Uber stand is much easier outside arrivals building. After exiting arrivals, crossed first set of traffic lanes to take Uber. There is a big User sign there in case if you wondering where the Uber stand is.

Accommodation:

I stayed in Moemo. I could have stayed in any hotel in the area as I had no plans to bring any guests. But I stayed in 2 hotels that were frequently mentioned in the forum by other members.

I stayed one of the superior apartments in Mercure So Paulo Moema Times Square Hotel for couple of nights. The room I stayed was clean, very roomy and with decent size bath room with big shower. As other members had indicated the hotel room walls are very thin almost like they didn't exist. I could hear all the traffic, airplane and nearby loud construction noises. I read some reviews complaining about bad rooms which concerned me a bit. Thanks Nordico who generously reached out to me and suggested to take superior apartment.

Other hotel I stayed was Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera, which is right next to Ibirapuera mall. The room I stayed felt like sound proofed. I did't hear any traffic or airplane noise even tough the planes flew very low almost touching hotel building. Bathroom was small especially Shower.

Local transport:

I used Uber for all of my local transport need in SP as well as in Foz do Iguazu. It was very convenient, safe and inexpensive.

Safety:

I was bit concerned about safety before the visit. Accordingly I was selective in things I did and places I visited. In general Moemo area, in and around Av. Ibirapuera, seemed very safe during day and night. I walked to Prime and Abbobora clinics. The only other clinic I visited was Tangara to which I Ubered.

Restaurants:

There are many restaurants in Moemo area. Ibirapuera mall has a big food count with tons of options in cuisine.

Convenience stores / coffee shops:

I saw at least one supermarket for every few blocks. There are few Starbucks in the area.

Banks and ATM:

There are plenty of options in Moemo. I used only Bradesco bank locations in Moemo based one the posts by Rovnak.

Language / Communication:

Only places I could consistently find individuals spoke English were in Hotel registration desks. I speak no Portuguese, so it was difficult to converse with people I needed to communicate / interact with. Translate apps on my mobile phone definitely helped getting point across. Translate app is a must for those who lack Portuguese language skills. Make sure you download the language for offline use so the app can be used without WiFi / internet connection.

People interaction:

All interactions with Brazilians very pleasant except for the scumbags boate Casarao employees I dealt with (details in part-2 of the trip report). People I interacted with, except the exception I indicated before, always had smile on their face which made dealing with them nice, inviting and pleasant. In spite of the language barrier people were very helpful.

Sightseeing:

I didn't do any in SP. My afternoons were spent walking to various clinics in Moemo area to get health checkups to make sure my liver in good condition after all the drinking I did in boates during previous night (LOL). You know, you have to be very careful not to get too sick in a foreign country. SP had me covered with ideally located clinics.

I did visit Foz do Iguazu. I spent 2 nights, visited Iguazu falls from Brazilian as well as Argentinian side. I have never seen so many waterfalls in one area. The views from both countries were spectacular. I did do boat rides on both sides (Brazil and Argentina). Boat rides from both sides are similar for most part except the Argentina side is way better. Argentina side boat ride covered all the falls Brazilian side boat ride did plus the boat went under (as close as they can without capsizing the boat) one of the bigger water falls, which was amazing. If you can do only one boat ride then just do Argentinian side.

Devils throat is breath taking. You can view it only from Argentinian side, not from Brazil.

I thought 2 days was enough to cover both sides. Yes it is, if one want to hit main trails and take photographs from view points along way. For most part I was focused on taking photos than enjoying unique and spectacular scenery. Also there are many trails I had no time to take to view the falls from different angles. In hindsight I wish I had stayed 2 more nights.

On to fun activities in part-2.

Day-1:

Clinic Prime:

First day evening I walked to Prime Clinic. Woman at the counter greeted me in Portuguese. I asked if she speaks English. She said no. I proceeded and sat on one of the couches. Girls one by one came out and introduced themselves giving their name. Many forum members warned in their post to be attentive to catch their names (or order of appearance) and remember them so you could later request her by name. Girls came out like a flash and returned the same way. In spite of keeping all my senses on high alert it was too much to process. I remember girl name up until she turns around and I checkout her backyard. That process repeated for 8-10 girls were in the lineup. By the end of the lineup display I couldn't remember name of the only girl I liked.

This whole lineup thing repeats every time a new client walks in. So if you forgot to remember a girls name, you can wait for a new client to arrive or request to have the lineup shown again.

Anyway I got out of Prime without any action.

Clinic Tangara:

I Ubered to Tangara that evening. Tangara is much bigger with 20-30 girls. It was crowded with many clients. Similar lineup rigmarole. I didn't like anyone. The optics were lower than Prime. Only 1 or 2 girls spoke English whom I was not interested in. After waiting for a while I picked Sophira, a 19 yo cute girl with dangling septum ring. We went to room with attached shower. She was bit annoyed that I couldn't speak Portuguese. She wasn't much interested in using translator app to bridge the communication gap either. She was all business. As soon as I sat on bed after taking shower she jumped on me and shelved her tongue deep in my throat. I usually enjoy that sort of thing but I planned not to do kissing or BBBJ in clinics. Knowing very well I would break this lass's heart, I asked her to slowly pull her tongue out of my throat and eventually from my mouth. Also I gently warned her not to do any encores.

She had nice body, bit smaller tits and good firm butt. I suited up, she started sucking with chewing gum still in her mouth. I guess she was determined to break the cover with chewing gum to keep action as close to natural as possible. I asked her to throw the gum before my cover was blown. Then I rode her for half hour. Who am I kidding! I was done in few minutes. In my defense this was my first of the trip. I don't remember exactly what I paid for 30 minutes. Something like 130 BR or 160 BR.

Boete Scandallo:

I Ubered to the club at around 1 am. I checked-in. I was given a black card to track my expenses in the club. Club entry fee was 250 BR out of which 150 BR was mine to spend in the club. I took elevator to get to the club one floor up. Wow! Very posh club!. Very high ceilings (50+ feet maybe), very loud music with live band, bar stretching almost the length of huge main lounge, and elegantly dressed gorgeous girls every where wiggling their butts. Club was packed with men and girls. I would visit this club and pay the entrance, if not for anything else, just for the experience and to enjoy limitless eye-candy.

This by far the swankiest club I have visited in Brazil, NA and Europe. It was very luxurious in every respect.

There is an outdoor area with its own bar. Part of this outside area was covered and most of it open air with part garden. One could spend time in this area when tired of load music inside. Of course there were plenty of girls in this area too.

It is hard to tell but there were at least 150+ girls on this night. Lot of them were beautiful. I don't use number system to rate beauty but I have to agree with members reported to have most 8, 9 and 10's. I saw hotness in every direction I looked. Girls were almost light skinned. All shapes and sizes. One should be able to find that fits the bill. Blondes, brunettes, redhead, long haired, short haired, curly haired, big boobed, big assed, cute, rugged and on and on.

Drinks were expensive but not by USA and European standards. For a place like this one has to expect that sort of thing. I had couple of drinks. I spoke using translator app to one 21 yo girl while sitting outside area. She was very cute, a much prettier version of Miley Cyrus. She quoted 750 BR. I had not interest in sessioning in this place that night so I spent couple of hours before calling it a night. But fate has other ideas. A lesson awaits.

After stepping out of the club I changed my mind and decided to go to Casarao instead of getting back to hotel. I am glad and not glad about this decision for reasons I detail below.

Boete Casarao:

I got to the club around 3:30 am. I picked 40 BR option for entry which includes 20 BR consumable. Got a card and got in. Club is very small and narrow with small 1 (may be 2) small bar (s). It has even smaller and narrower basement with small bar. As one would expect the drink prices are cheaper.

The optics of girls are noticeably much much lower than Scandallo. There are pretty ones here and there if you search the entire club. Most of the girls were run-of-the-mill you would typically find in German FKKs.

I spent 2 hours with out even realizing looking for someone to room with. During this time I made a note the very few pretty ones in the club never to picked up. They kept hustling a man before moving to another. I didn't think much of it at that time maybe because of all the scotch I have been consuming that night. As I was preparing to leave I saw one of the prettier girls who I have seen few time during my time in club (one of those never got picked up). I hoped she spoke English but she didn't. So I used app to communicate. She said everything is OK except finger in pussy / ass and anal. We agreed for 250 BR for her + $40 BR for room. Rooms were upstairs so I had to close my account before getting there.

There was a long wait for room. Eventually got to the room. She asked me for money upfront. That should have rung alarm bells but my little head is in full control of the situation and scotch is in full control of my big head. I paid and we both of use showered. She had a nice set of tits and body. We kissed a bit. I make my way down to her treasure island. I liked what I saw as I started my inspection she covered her pussy with hand saying not finger. Both my hands holding her legs and there is not intent or indication that I was going to finger her. But she kept repeating. I told her I wasn't going to finger her but just look at her treasure. But she kept repeating nooooooooo-finger mantra. To keep things moving I asked me to give me BJ for which she kept squeezing my shaft and did nothing else. I told her to put it in her mouth for which I got no response. I realized I picked a scammer. Yes, I could work with (convince, beg etc.) one way or other to get to finish. That's not my style. I got up dressed and left the room.

I went and tried to explain what happened to the counter where I paid room fee. All of a sudden 3 individual at the counter totally lost the capability to at least understand. They had no problem understanding me when paid the room fee and ordered drink while waiting for room.

Then I go down to the countered where I checked-in to enter club. Same routine. I asked the person to get someone who speaks English. They present one older guy. I explained what happened what happened but the person kept saying nothing can be done without know who the girl is and her side of the story. Right that moment the girl just walk in. I showed her to the guy who spoke English. She says few Portuguese words and walks into club. The English speaking guy told me what she said settled the issue and nothing can be done. I asked him what she said to which I got no answer. My guess was she reminded him of his cut. I got stubborn and decided to see what other BS the club management would throw at me. I just wanted see if the problem is systemic or not. If it is systemic then I know I should never visit Casarao again. For me it was a lose of about $65, not a bit deal.

On the other end of the main check-in desk there is another desk with a person in suite. Unfortunately he didn't speak English either. But I pestered him a bit so he could get some to bridge the language gap. Some tall chap appeared and kept she could do little without knowing who the girl was (remember this is 2nd person repeating same mantra). Then I used my app to ask the person in suite if he is the owner or an employee to care the clubs reputation being ruined by these scammers. He happened to be one of the club managers. Why would he care?. Eventually the tall individual repeated said Sorry for what happened and he was helpless. I saw outside, it may be about 5:30 am, first light is breaking as a sign of brighter things to come. I ordered Uber and got back to hotel.

I was disappointed the night ended disastrously. I will take $65 lessons any day. I just hope to avoid the ones that cost $300+. But I was glad it was an inexpensive lesson to wake me up so I can raise my guards up.

Things did indeed looked up from day-2.

Continued in part-3.

[QUOTE=CharmingIL;2366942]SPLove, ClubModel and Private55 are the most trustable websites to find independent girls in Sao Paulo.

PhotoAcompanhantes you can find cheaper options but there are many fake girls there, so you got to be careful. If you're looking through PhotoAcompanhantes, make sure the girl have some good reviews at GPGuia or a verified profile.

On Twitter you can find good options too and it's also trustable because girls post selfie pics and videos, etc.

Whenever you're contacting these girls, just be clear and straight to the point. Something like "Hey, I saw your profile / ad at_ and would like to get more info about your services."

Most independent girls advertising at websites like SPLove, ClubModel and Private55 have their own places, their places / flats are usually located at Jardins or Moema area. Some girls in Twitter usually don't have their own places / flats, so you can ask them to go to your hotel.

You can try to use Google Translate to text them, but also some girls can speak some decent English.[/QUOTE]CharmingIL,

Thanks for getting back to me. Yeah, the PhotoAcompanhantes website seems more like a free-for-all which. To me. Indicates there is more potential for something sketchy which is something I'the like to avoid.

My plan for messaging anyone would be getting straight to the point, I don't want to waste anyone's time or seem that I am not serious.

I'm curious though, if I can't find any selfies or a Twitter account of the girls I like on SPLove etc. Is asking for a selfie / video or two considered OK? I'm not out to collect photos of these girls but I do want to make sure the pro photos that have been photoshopped don't differ extremely from reality.

Also, is there generally any disadvantage in going to one's flat instead of to my hotel?

Thanks.

I had two very positive experiences recently with GPS from Twittter. I basically follow O andralinho on twitter. I figure whoever he retweets is legit (tho all may not suit my taste).

Both were out calls to my hotel. Initial contact was made on WA. They knew from my number and language ability I wasn't Brazilian. It didn't seem to be a disadvantage. For One I was able to walk the girl up. The other I was asked to register her at the desk. The ladies were very kind. I was expecting more attitude but they were polite and courteous. They were ready for action too. DFK, DATY, CIM for both. Videos and pictures without face were OK. Both were great experiences. Both were 2 h sessions.

Once I get DM capability I can share more info with contributing senior members.

Went back to Scandallo. Wanted to repeat with a Twitter GP. She had set up a dulpa with a friend but the friend got sick and couldn't make it. I was going to meet her at a motel but got cold feet about the arrangement and cancelled at the last minute. Felt bad about cancelling but whatever.

Went to Scandallo with the idea of a dulpa. Arrived early, had dinner (which was very good) and entertained a few ladies who passed by my table. One really caught my attention so I invited her to sit with me. After a dinner (she had ordered her own food), we flirted a bit. I asked her if she had friends and told her what I liked. Between the restaurant and the other areas (the boate wasn't open yet--early), I met maybe 5 or 6 girls she knew. Nothing really enticed me enough so I settled on going to the room with her. She proved to be all I needed.

The session was probably the "slowest" I've had in Brazil. Very sensual. Easily the best BBBJ of my life. DFK, CIM and COB. Afterwards we chilled in the room for a bit. Lost track of time but hadn't gone over. As someone recommended earlier I offered her a drink downstairs as a "tip" / "reward".

We chilled in the boate for a bit. She indicated that she had "bagged her fish" so she wasn't pressed on another session. Introduced me to some more of her friends. She entertained some of my questions about the set up there. For example, I asked it it was taboo for girls to admit that they've had ass implants. She laughed and agreed with my POV. Pointed out the cutie who was mediocre my last session there. She broke my neck again, but won't make that pick again for sure.

Eventually I excused myself to leave. She walked me out to the elevator. Could have easily chilled with her a lot longer had I had the time.

Definitely more GFE. Awesome session. She was open to pics in the restaurant (took a selfie on my phone AND in the room).

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2367394]....... As soon as I sat on bed after taking shower she jumped on me and shelved her tongue deep in my throat. I usually enjoy that sort of thing but I planned not to do kissing or BBBJ in clinics. Knowing very well I would break this lass's heart, I asked her to slowly pull her tongue out of my throat and eventually from my mouth. Also I gently warned her not to do any encores.................[/QUOTE]When sessioning a working girl one should try not to think that her tongue was recently wrapped around some bloke's dick; that would lessen the enjoyment.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2367394]Boete Scandallo:

I Ubered to the club at around 1 am. I checked-in. I was given a black card to track my expenses in the club. Club entry fee was 250 BR out of which 150 BR was mine to spend in the club. I took elevator to get to the club one floor up. Wow! Very posh club!. Very high ceilings (50+ feet maybe), very loud music with live band, bar stretching almost the length of huge main lounge, and elegantly dressed gorgeous girls every where wiggling their butts. Club was packed with men and girls. I would visit this club and pay the entrance, if not for anything else, just for the experience and to enjoy limitless eye-candy.This by far the swankiest club I have visited in Brazil, NA and Europe. It was very luxurious in every respect.

There is an outdoor area with its own bar. Part of this outside area was covered and most of it open air with part garden. One could spend time in this area when tired of load music inside. Of course there were plenty of girls in this area too. It is hard to tell but there were at least 150+ girls on this night. Lot of them were beautiful. I don't use number system to rate beauty but I have to agree with members reported to have most 8, 9 and 10's. I saw hotness in every direction I looked. Girls were almost light skinned. All shapes and sizes. One should be able to find that fits the bill. Blondes, brunettes, redhead, long haired, short haired, curly haired, big boobed, big assed, cute, rugged and on and on..[/QUOTE]Lalabo,

Thanks for your outstanding and accurate reporting so far. Too bad about the foul scene at Casarao. But can't for the life of me understand why you chose to skip having sex with one of the many, many hotties at Scandallo! Man! How could you resist? I find Bomboa to be competitive with Scandallo, but as you saw, optics-wise Casarao can't hold a candle to Scandallo on most nights. And throw in a scam here and there and. Oh well! There's always day 3 right? Ha!

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2367394]
Boete Casarao:

As I was preparing to leave I saw one of the prettier girls who I have seen few time during my time in club (one of those never got picked up). I hoped she spoke English but she didn't. So I used app to communicate. She said everything is OK except finger in pussy / ass and anal. We agreed for 250 BR for her + $40 BR for room. Rooms were upstairs so I had to close my account before getting there.

There was a long wait for room. Eventually got to the room. She asked me for money upfront. That should have rung alarm bells but my little head is in full control of the situation and scotch is in full control of my big head. I paid and we both of use showered. She had a nice set of tits and body. We kissed a bit. I make my way down to her treasure island. I liked what I saw as I started my inspection she covered her pussy with hand saying not finger. Both my hands holding her legs and there is not intent or indication that I was going to finger her. But she kept repeating. I told her I wasn't going to finger her but just look at her treasure. But she kept repeating nooooooooo-finger mantra. To keep things moving I asked me to give me BJ for which she kept squeezing my shaft and did nothing else. I told her to put it in her mouth for which I got no response. I realized I picked a scammer. Yes, I could work with (convince, beg etc.) one way or other to get to finish. That's not my style. I got up dressed and left the room.

I went and tried to explain what happened to the counter where I paid room fee. All of a sudden 3 individual at the counter totally lost the capability to at least understand. They had no problem understanding me when paid the room fee and ordered drink while waiting for room.

Then I go down to the countered where I checked-in to enter club. Same routine. I asked the person to get someone who speaks English. They present one older guy. I explained what happened what happened but the person kept saying nothing can be done without know who the girl is and her side of the story. Right that moment the girl just walk in. I showed her to the guy who spoke English. She says few Portuguese words and walks into club. The English speaking guy told me what she said settled the issue and nothing can be done. I asked him what she said to which I got no answer. My guess was she reminded him of his cut. I got stubborn and decided to see what other BS the club management would throw at me. I just wanted see if the problem is systemic or not. If it is systemic then I know I should never visit Casarao again. For me it was a lose of about $65, not a bit deal.

.[/QUOTE]First of all, at Casarao, you pay for both the room and the girl at the desk, before you go to the room.

They ask the girl what the negotiated amount is, they add the appropriate room fee of 40 reais for the 40 min session, and you pay then and there, the total amount.

If she asked for more cash upon entering the room, she was definitely pulling something.

I've been going to Casarao for over 15 years without ever a problem.

Sounds as though perhaps you picked a girl who saw that you were obviously a foreigner, new at the game, and a bit drunk, and she took advantage of that.

As far as the management at Casarao goes, they are generally very good.

I've become friends with a few of the managers over the years, and they seem to run a pretty good place.

I'm sure it would be difficult for them to judge your complaint due to language barrier, intoxication, he said / she said, etc variables.

Hard to say exactly why they didn't act upon your complaint without being there and hearing it all.

I've always found them (management) to be very reasonable.

I don't doubt your story.

I know Casarao has some girls that are sharks, however, I have met some sweethearts there as well. The vast majority actually.

An experienced, portugues speaking guy can easily spot and avoid the sharks.

Sorry you had a bad time there.

Good luck with the rest of your visit.

[QUOTE=Custom56;2367433]CharmingIL,

Thanks for getting back to me. Yeah, the PhotoAcompanhantes website seems more like a free-for-all which. To me. Indicates there is more potential for something sketchy which is something I'the like to avoid.

My plan for messaging anyone would be getting straight to the point, I don't want to waste anyone's time or seem that I am not serious.

I'm curious though, if I can't find any selfies or a Twitter account of the girls I like on SPLove etc. Is asking for a selfie / video or two considered OK? I'm not out to collect photos of these girls but I do want to make sure the pro photos that have been photoshopped don't differ extremely from reality.

Also, is there generally any disadvantage in going to one's flat instead of to my hotel?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I think mostly girls don't feel comfortable if you ask them for selfie pics at Whatsapp. In SPLove and ClubModel they don't share the girl Twitter, but if you check Private55, you choose an girl ad and you scroll all the way down, if the girl have an Twitter account, you will be able to see some of her posts in her ad page at Private55.

And about the girl going to your hotel room or you going to her place. Well, depends. Sometimes for your comodity is better the girl to go to your hotel room, than you to go to her place. Some girls can charge an uber tax to go to your hotel, but once again. Depends on the girl.

I'm returned from my trip. Thanks to those of you who offered advice. I made it to Aboborá and Tangará, and offer my thoughts about both.

Aboborá.

I arrived at Aboborá in the early afternoon, perhaps 1:00. There are two entrances; you go to the one on the left to see the line-up. I don't speak Portuguese, but the Mme. Had basic conversational ability, and I was able to make myself understood. The facility is new and updated and clean. Well organized. Upon my arrival, she did something on her computer, and the parade began. There were eight girls who presented themselves to me, I'd say all in the 7-8 range by my standards. All had dark hair and looked fairly similar. There were four that I found attractive, and selected Lorena, who was thin, with long black hair, and pretty eyes. I then went to the other side, and waited a couple minutes for her to reappear there with some sheets and towels, and she led me to a small room. It was clean, with a leather bed, and an attached bathroom. She didn't speak any English, but I exchanged some pleasantries via Google Translate, and she was game. She seemed happy and relaxed. She motioned me to shower. When I was done, she did the same. I was running late, as I underestimated the time to get there from my hotel, and so spent 45 minutes (paid $220 for the full hour, but cut it short due to my schedule). She was lovely and accommodating. Fantastic UBJ and delightful cowgirl finish. It was an excellent experience all around.

Tangorá.

I arrived at 10:15 AM. They were just setting up, though they advertise that they are open at 10. The manager was friendly and said that the girls would arrive in five or ten minutes. The ambiance is a lot more worn and tired. It needs to be painted, and the plaster is crumbling off the walls. In the bathroom, the fixtures are worn and slightly broken. There are some beautiful old doors and some of the architecture was interesting, but it is old and a bit tired.

I sat on a cheap upholstered sofa and waited. Ten minutes, half an hour, forty five minutes. Occasionally, a girl would cross the room quickly, as if she just arrived and had to rush somewhere to get ready. The manager kept saying that more girls would arrive. It would have been better had I arrived after noon; that's when there would be twenty or thirty of them. Now, it was just one. Three other men joined me in the waiting area. Two of them somehow got served before me. The protocol was new to me. Apparently, the fleeting room crossings were the girls' way of letting everyone know that they were available. It took me a while to figure this out. Most didn't stop to say Hello,; they simply rushed across the room. Finally, I told the manager that I needed to either get started or leave. He told me that there were two girls available. More would arrive in ten minutes. Right. But I said that I would take them both, whoever they were, for half an hour. Pietra and Yasmine. Pietra had a thin body but a protruding lower jaw. Yasmine was a little heavy. I'd rate them about a 7 and a 5, respectively. But better than leaving empty handed.

Neither spoke English. Both were young and inexperienced. I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't done a dupla before. They were nervous and giggly. Pietra didn't permit kissing on the lips. Neither knew what to do, and so I took the lead. For a while, they were chatting together and giggling, which I found annoying. Finally, my magnificent skills at cunnilingus helped them to focus, and the groove improved, but it was something of a teaching and management experience for me, and there were moments when they each had deer in the headlights expressions, as I explained to them what I wanted them to do to each other. They started rather aloof, but eventually warmed. I paid 220 reals for half an hour, which wasn't enough time, but I had a meeting to get to. It was actually a fine experience in the end, with a decent UBJ finish in Pietra's odd mouth, but definitely not as professional and polished an operation here as at Aboborá.

I'd say, if you are really stuck for cash, then Tangará is an acceptable place to fuck at bargain rates. If you can afford the additional cost, I would stick with Aboborá. It is a more expert and refined experience.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2367606]First of all, at Casarao, you pay for both the room and the girl at the desk, before you go to the room.

They ask the girl what the negotiated amount is, they add the appropriate room fee of 40 reais for the 40 min session, and you pay then and there, the total amount.[/QUOTE]That may have been your experience. My experience was just as I reported. Only amount I was to pay at the desk was 40BR for room.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2367606]
If she asked for more cash upon entering the room, she was definitely pulling something.[/QUOTE]She asked for the amount we both agreed. Nothing more.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2367606]
I've been going to Casarao for over 15 years without ever a problem.
[/QUOTE]I congratulate you for having a great experience with Casarao for such a longtime. Just report your experience (You probably did. I have't read all your posts) so readers would judge for themselves how to you the info.

I would't expect a local or Portuguese speaking to have nonchalant response from management. I wouldn't expect the club management to screw their bred and butter demographic. The experience of a local or Portuguese speaker at this club doesn't translate as is for me. Me being a foreigner without Portuguese language skills. So when I visit a club in a new country I try to gauge how fair the management would be knowing well I am tourist. Casarao failed miserably in that respect.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2367606]
Sounds as though perhaps you picked a girl who saw that you were obviously a foreigner, new at the game, and a bit drunk, and she took advantage of that.[/QUOTE]I wonder how many (what percentage of girls) such sharks are there in Casarao? I said I was drunk. Who wasn't in the club? I wasn't drunk enough to be taken advantage of.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2367606]
As far as the management at Casarao goes, they are generally very good.[/QUOTE]They were not good for me.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2367606]
I've become friends with a few of the managers over the years, and they seem to run a pretty good place.

I'm sure it would be difficult for them to judge your complaint due to language barrier, intoxication, he said / she said, etc variables.

Hard to say exactly why they didn't act upon your complaint without being there and hearing it all.

I've always found them (management) to be very reasonable.
[/QUOTE]Maybe because I wasn't their friend!

[QUOTE=Balboa;2367606]
I don't doubt your story.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't mind if you do. That's how this forum should work. People report (hopefully truthfully). Readers can decide how to use the info and judge for themselves who is telling the truth and who is bullshitting. Readers would be able to figure that out overtime if not overnight.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2367606]
Good luck with the rest of your visit.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I did have a good luck during the rest of my trip. I am currently back home and writing my report (s).

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2367734]T

Thanks. I did have a good luck during the rest of my trip. I am currently back home and writing my report (s).[/QUOTE]Great!

Thanks for posting your experience.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2367584]Lalabo,

Thanks for your outstanding and accurate reporting so far. Too bad about the foul scene at Casarao. But can't for the life of me understand why you chose to skip having sex with one of the many, many hotties at Scandallo! Man! How could you resist? I find Bomboa to be competitive with Scandallo, but as you saw, optics-wise Casarao can't hold a candle to Scandallo on most nights. And throw in a scam here and there and. Oh well! There's always day 3 right? Ha![/QUOTE]You are right! It would be very difficult to resist tons of gorgeous girls surrounding you waiting to chat-up and hookup. I was bit tired from travel. I couldn't sleep well in hotel room that afternoon because of traffic and construction noise. I designed this trip as a scouting trip to see get an idea of the lay of the land. I was not in a hurry. Maybe I should have.

I have visited Casarao, Bamboa and Scandallo. Scandallo was miles ahead in terms of girl count, most no of gorgeous girls, swankiness, service and experience in general.

In fact, no clubs in NA and Europe would come close to Scandallo in terms of sheer number of gorgeous girls. FKK Globe maybe known to have prettier girls than typical German FKKs. But there is no comparison in terms of number of hot girls per inch. Scandallo wins for numbers and optics. The question is does Scandallo win for service too. You know FKK Globe has a guaranteed minimum GFE service, there is no need to discuss or haggle with the girl. I had a great experience with a girl at Scandallo but the is not enough to call the service price to Scandallo, yet.

[QUOTE=MixedSalad07;2367449]I had two very positive experiences recently with GPS from Twittter. I basically follow O andralinho on twitter. I figure whoever he retweets is legit (tho all may not suit my taste).

Both were out calls to my hotel. Initial contact was made on WA. They knew from my number and language ability I wasn't Brazilian. It didn't seem to be a disadvantage. For One I was able to walk the girl up. The other I was asked to register her at the desk. The ladies were very kind. I was expecting more attitude but they were polite and courteous. They were ready for action too. DFK, DATY, CIM for both. Videos and pictures without face were OK. Both were great experiences. Both were 2 h sessions.

Once I get DM capability I can share more info with contributing senior members.[/QUOTE]How much did you pay for each of the outcall? Did you try to negotiate the price with the girls?

I'm trying to get an idea of how much it would cost to have twitter GPS to come over to my place instead of going to their place.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2367394]
I went and tried to explain what happened to the counter where I paid room fee. All of a sudden 3 individual at the counter totally lost the capability to at least understand. They had no problem understanding me when paid the room fee and ordered drink while waiting for room.[/QUOTE][NOPARSE]Salaam Lalabo. Thanks for your great reports, very interesting.

I am sorry the staff at Casarao were so half-assed. You were clearly ripped off. At the same time it shouldn't be all that surprising. It is very rare to find good management in any club in the world. Typically the reasoning will be, "We are making a ton of money from this girl's business and this is a one-time tourist, so why should we bother protecting him?" Short-term thinking but people like to be lazy.

Furthermore Casarao doesn't claim to be anything special. It isn't a fancy club with managers coming up to you and asking if everything is alright. I mean look at the way some of the girls dress, pretty hardcore. In a scene like that you are expected to fend for yourself. (In Scandallo you might be led to expect more, so it would be all the more surprising if you were ripped off... which is still perfectly possible however!)

I go to Casarao sometimes, but I speak Portuguese. I wouldn't really recommend it to casual visitors, as some girls have been allowed to slide into the ugly habit of sharking tourists.
[/NOPARSE]

Bad experiences happens to locals also. In the local forum, of the last 20 reports, 13 were positive, 5 neutrals and 2 negatives. Some of the locals had also paid prices that, if reported here, they would be accused of overpaying.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2367866]Bad experiences happens to locals also. In the local forum, of the last 20 reports, 13 were positive, 5 neutrals and 2 negatives. Some of the locals had also paid prices that, if reported here, they would be accused of overpaying.[/QUOTE]That's why I prefer the CLínicas.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2367868]That's why I prefer the CLnicas.[/QUOTE]You kind of promote the clinicas.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2367752]How much did you pay for each of the outcall? Did you try to negotiate the price with the girls?

I'm trying to get an idea of how much it would cost to have twitter GPS to come over to my place instead of going to their place.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]2 h for both. One was 600 + Uber, the other was 700 flat. I used what I would pay in a top end boate as a base line. Price is what was quoted in their initial msgs. Didn't haggle. Use gpguia to screen. Prices matched the reports there. Both had exemplary reviews. Surpassed my expectations.

I was satisfied and would repeat with each one.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2367868]That's why I prefer the CLnicas.[/QUOTE]I kind of agree with you based on my recent experience. Yes, in clinics, optics are much lower than than some of the Boates but with patience you can find decent looking ones. Clinics seem to provide certainty of services delivered where as you are at the mercy of girls at Boates.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2368011]You kind of promote the clinicas.[/QUOTE]He may be. But clinics are perfect for tourists like me who doesn't want to kiss, and wants to do every thing else covered. They may work for others too.

Anyone know how Scandallo shows on your credit card bill? Is it discrete?

Note: Looks like it wasn't clear if I am reporting while in Brazil or not. No I am not in Brazil. I am back home.

Day-2 (Friday 8/30):

Clinic Prime:

Visited in the evening. 8-10 girls. Most of the lineup was same as yesterday except for few new ones. This time I didn't hesitate to make a note of girl names in my phone. I found the girl I missed yesterday and booked her for half hour. Her name is Larissa a 24 yo good looking girl. Room was very basic with nicer bath room and shower than Tangara. I played it safe: no kissing, CBJ and the usual CFS. Paid 170 BR.

Boate Bamboa:

Got to the club around 11 pm. Entrance fee is 250 BR. I don't remember how much of it was consumable. Front desk arranged an English speaking individual Micheal to look after me in the club. Maybe that is this club's norm to have someone take you inside the club and periodically check on you. Micheal took me to main bar and seated me next to a 35 yo tall woman from Rio. I chatted with her for sometime before I started making rounds to checkout rest of the club. One would see entire club sitting at the bar. They had live band playing but not too loud. They have tons of couches to relax and maybe chat-up with girls. There is a sushi restaurant in the premises if you are hungry.

There were at least 30+ girls. Few were pretty but the optics were nothing like Scandallo. One girl caught my eye so I went and talked to her. She is a Spaniard who spoke no English. I didn't feel like using app for entire conversation so I decided not to take her. After spending couple of hours I left the club with out doing any fun activities. I may visit this club in future trips.

For me it wasn't a bad day. Yes I only did one session. But I did walk around quite a bit in Moemo area to get a feel for the town. I walked to a restaurant in the evening had very good food.

Next morning I am off to Foz do Iguazu.

Continued in part-4 of the report.

Day-3 (Saturday 8/31):

Landed in Foz do Iguazu airport. Iguazu natational park was very close to airport. I Ubered to Iguazu national park Brazilian side after storing my luggage in one of the lockers outside the arrivals building.

Park visit was a amazing. Speed boat ride + jungle safari was a blast! I got back to airport by 6 pm and Ubered to Bourbon business hotel in Foz do Iguazu town. Very nice hotel with great breakfast.

If it wasn't for Questner's report in Foz de Iguacu / Iguazu Falls thread detailing the various options available for fun activities I would not have ventured out to find such places. Thanks you Questner for very detailed and helpful report.

Boate Scorpion:

I got there at about 10:30 pm. I paid 80 BR entrance. I head them say all of it is consumable but I was wrong. Only 30 BR was consumable (at least that is how it ended up). I had certain exceptions for a Boate. This one is bit underwhelming. Main club is basically a house with 2 rooms converted into a club. Bar is located in 1st room. 2nd room is lounge area with seats / couches and a small stripper pole at one end. It looks very similar to some small size strip clubs in USA. In front of the building there is open area with few tables and a small pool at a distance.

They had 8-10 girls. 2 girls I would have considered for takeout: 1 pale skinned chubby blonde and the other was a cute brunette were already busy talking to other men. A more chubbier girl named Rebecca who spoke excellent English came and sat with me. I asked Rebecca about a blonde wearing a Santa hat sitting outside with few guys. Rebecca said that she is her friend and she could get her for me if I am interested in paying 350 BR / hour. Based on Questner's report I expected the price in the range of 250 BR. No big deal, I guess Rebecca decided to add extra tourist tax on me. Anyway I told her it would be rude on my part if I pull her from that group of men. She assured me those men were talking to her because they arranged a strip show with her and I could take her if I want. Then Rebecca went and spoke to the blonde and both joined me in the lounge. Blonde's name is Mel. She is pretty and unfortunately spoke no English. Rebecca turned into translator for both of us. Mel is 26 yo and mother of a child. I wasn't sure if I want commit to her so quickly. Luckily she did the strip show. I liked what I saw.

After the strip show Mel join me. I asked her if she would like to drink, she said yes. So ordered 3 JW blacks. I asked about Mel's services to which Rebecca replied she does everything with cover. Including BJ as asked. Yes, she answered. Ok that's not a deal break. I told Rebecca that I would pay 500 BR for 2 hours. She countered it with 450 RB for 2 hours. Sweet! Johnnie walker did his trick. I quickly accepted. It so happens Mel loves anal and it is included. The deal just got sweetened at not extra cost.

Rebecca insisted that I do it in the Motel next door to which I said no. She insisted I pay before. Casarao flashed by! I told them I would pay half first and half at the end of 2 hours. They agreed. Mel and I Ubered to my hotel.

She registered at hotel. There is a 50 BR charge for guest at Bourbon business hotel.

She provided one of the best experiences I had for a while. She made me feel like she is my girlfriend and 2 hours went by like a flash. Communication problem never interrupted the action. Deep, long french kissing, fantastic BBBJ (I have to keep it a secret from Rebecca) with lots of DT action. I had a long dining session at her V and O. Anal action was great.

I took her contact before she left so we could do the same next day which is Sunday. All the Boates are closed on Sunday in Foz do Iguazu. So make sure to make your arrangements on Saturday for Sunday.

I went to bed thinking about Mel.

Continued in part-5.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2367823][NOPARSE]Salaam Lalabo. Thanks for your great reports, very interesting.

I am sorry the staff at Casarao were so half-assed. You were clearly ripped off. At the same time it shouldn't be all that surprising. It is very rare to find good management in any club in the world. Typically the reasoning will be, "We are making a ton of money from this girl's business and this is a one-time tourist, so why should we bother protecting him?" Short-term thinking but people like to be lazy.

Furthermore Casarao doesn't claim to be anything special. It isn't a fancy club with managers coming up to you and asking if everything is alright. I mean look at the way some of the girls dress, pretty hardcore. In a scene like that you are expected to fend for yourself. (In Scandallo you might be led to expect more, so it would be all the more surprising if you were ripped off... which is still perfectly possible however!)

I go to Casarao sometimes, but I speak Portuguese. I wouldn't really recommend it to casual visitors, as some girls have been allowed to slide into the ugly habit of sharking tourists.
[/NOPARSE][/QUOTE]Hi Polyamorist. I agree with what you said. I have no illusions that these sort of things wouldn't happen. I am just screening places where it is worth spending my money.

Larger the sunk cost larger the expectation of return should be. In our case it is reliable service levels. As a tourist with considerable sunk cost in making these trips, I look for places providing reliable of service and fairer treatment to the extent possible. If a country / place doesn't offer me that then I will not be a repeat visitor.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2367866]Bad experiences happens to locals also. In the local forum, of the last 20 reports, 13 were positive, 5 neutrals and 2 negatives. Some of the locals had also paid prices that, if reported here, they would be accused of overpaying.[/QUOTE]Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I understand shit happens. But how management deals with it shows how professional they are. Then one could decide whether to give them a repeat business or not.

The point of sharing negative info here is to alert the reader to be on the lookout for such incidents. It becomes a trend when you see multiple negative reports about a place. Then it is easy to avoid such place. I encourage members to truthfully report positive or negative experiences. Learning about negative experiences are as useful, if not more, as positive ones.

At Lalabo, thanks man for a report. At Bourbon when booking double occupancy there should not be extra charge. Yeah, Rebecca is a good girl. As for charges, girls negotiate and will get as much as they can based on a visitor, and day of the week matters.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2368092]Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I understand shit happens. But how management deals with it shows how professional they are. Then one could decide whether to give them a repeat business or not.

The point of sharing negative info here is to alert the reader to be on the lookout for such incidents. It becomes a trend when you see multiple negative reports about a place. Then it is easy to avoid such place. I encourage members to truthfully report positive or negative experiences. Learning about negative experiences are as useful, if not more, as positive ones.[/QUOTE]I understand your frustration, none of us like to have a bad session, but actually the boate management cannot intervene into any dispute between the service provider and the customer, except perhaps in a case of violence or material theft. The service providers at Casarao and most of the boates are technically free lancers who have no formal relationship with the boate. They are not employees. Casarao does not receive any % of the "program", it makes its money exclusively from admission, bar tabs and room fees. This is partly for legal reasons since prostitution is legal but pandering is not. Yes, they collect the money at the cashier but they are effectively holding it for the provider. So management is never going to intercede in a dispute about "quality of service" at a boate. Its a totally he said she said situation, and its a buyer beware industry.

Another thing, some GPS love gringos but some do not really like the communication gap. So it is good to try to get a sense which type you are dealing with before going to a room.

In this hobby, bad sessions are inevitable. . Be it in a boate or a clinica or with an escort. I find its best to just chalk up the lost $, walk away and move onto the next hottie. Statistically speaking Brasileiras are probably the best providers in the world, so you just have to move on. I understand the frustration but reading your report it sounds to me like this was a case where the FIV was a showstopper issue and perhaps this provider has some previous trauma associated with that. Miscommunication happens. And once a session starts to go south its hard to reverse course. If I sense the chemistry is crappy in the room, I usually just leave even though I have paid.

As for clinicas being more receptive to complaints, I would say yes to a degree. Management will certainly listen to the complaint and factor that into whether they want the provider to remain on staff, but they are unlikely to refund your money unless there is a strong strong case. One time at Enjoy, I arrived late and I chose a girl that was about to leave for the day. I heard her say as much but I thought she would be interested in the extra $. But in the room she was somewhat cold. As I took a shower I thought about it and decided "nah, this is no good". So I dressed immediately, told her "sorry, but I can see you are not into this, I know you were ready to go home. I do not want to continue."I went to the desk and explained it to them and they refunded me. Now we had not begun any interaction and only 5 minutes had passed. The kicker is that this chick is an AznSafado "regular", I guess he spoiled her with his good looks and charm.

Anyway, glad the other parts of your trip were good.

[QUOTE=LeoAiolia;2368074]Anyone know how Scandallo shows on your credit card bill? Is it discrete?[/QUOTE]For me all the transactions were billed discretely.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2368113]I understand the frustration but reading your report it sounds to me like this was a case where the FIV was a showstopper issue and perhaps this provider has some previous trauma associated with that. Miscommunication happens. And once a session starts to go south its hard to reverse course. If I sense the chemistry is crappy in the room, I usually just leave even though I have paid.
[/QUOTE]I definitely didn't report any such thing happening. How did you arrive at this conclusion that I tried to finger her? Were you a fly the wall in the room?

May be she was so traumatized, as you stated, she treats a man touching or looking at any part of her body as fingering.

Any of my negative reports are not to garner any sympathy from anyone but to inform fellow mongers like me (gringos as you referred to) the way I expect others mongers to shared such incidents / girls / places.

We all move on alright. I think as part of monger community we should let inform each other so we enjoy good things and avoid bad ones.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2368497]I definitely didn't report any such thing happening. How did you arrive at this conclusion that I tried to finger her? Were you a fly the wall in the room?

May be she was so traumatized, as you stated, she treats a man touching or looking at any part of her body as fingering.

Any of my negative reports are not to garner any sympathy from anyone but to inform fellow mongers like me (gringos as you referred to) the way I expect others mongers to shared such incidents / girls / places.

We all move on alright. I think as part of monger community we should let inform each other so we enjoy good things and avoid bad ones.[/QUOTE]Sorry, perhaps I was not sufficiently clear. I know you did not try to finger her. But you said that prior to going to the room she had said she did not allow it. Then in the room you said that she freaked out when she thought you were going to try it. I understand you did not try, but I believe you wrote that she thought you were going to. That is what I meant by a type of miscommunication that can cause a session to go from good to bad. I was not implying it was your fault. Just that miscommunications happen.

I had a session once at Bomboa, that was going extremely well, but at one point I was banging the garota from behind and I slapped her ass gently, just to test her reaction because some love it and some don't. It was a gentle slap, and yet this woman turned instantaneously from being into the session to being pissed. It ruined the session at that point and I ended it early because it was a bummer. There was not obvious explanation for her over reaction. But once the chemistry was broken it was not possible to repair. All I know is that the woman I was with was not a scam artist. Up to that point it had been an incredible session.

So all I was doing was suggesting that perhaps there was some innocent miscommunication involved in your case. You can choose to be pissed off at me. I was trying to be sympathetic while providing an alternative perspective.

Cheers.

Any one uses the translator where you speak into the device and there is an audio translation for the listener? Sounds much better than typing.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2368665]Any one uses the translator where you speak into the device and there is an audio translation for the listener? Sounds much better than typing.[/QUOTE]Very recently I have been experimenting with audio to text and have not been very happy. The translations have been a nonsensical mess. If anyone knows of an audio to text app that works well, I for one would be interested in learning about it and how accurate it is.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2368113]I understand your frustration, none of us like to have a bad session, but actually the boate management cannot intervene into any dispute between the service provider and the customer, except perhaps in a case of violence or material theft. The service providers at Casarao and most of the boates are technically free lancers who have no formal relationship with the boate. They are not employees. Casarao does not receive any % of the "program", it makes its money exclusively from admission, bar tabs and room fees. This is partly for legal reasons since prostitution is legal but pandering is not. Yes, they collect the money at the cashier but they are effectively holding it for the provider. So management is never going to intercede in a dispute about "quality of service" at a boate. Its a totally he said she said situation, and its a buyer beware industry.[/QUOTE]I initially thought exactly what you said. For legal reasons, the girls are essentially free lancers. Then I thought more about termas and clinicas where the girls are kind of a part of the brand. So just let's say the legal situation with prostitution in Brazil is complicated.

You're likely not going to get your money back for bad service in a boate. As you said Rovnak, you can point this out to management and if the woman has a history of such bad service they will likely prevent her from working at the boate.

My understanding is that the boites and the hotels nearby (or next door really) legally need to be separate businesses in Brazil. That's why at scandallo you have to climb up that staircase to reach the hotel lobby. So if you complain about the service to the hotel staff they will say, talk to the boites and visa versa if you complain to the boite. Bad sessions and scams are just a part of the deal in what we do. So will, some won't, so what, next is the best philosophy.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2368787]I initially thought exactly what you said. For legal reasons, the girls are essentially free lancers. Then I thought more about termas and clinicas where the girls are kind of a part of the brand. So just let's say the legal situation with prostitution in Brazil is complicated.

You're likely not going to get your money back for bad service in a boate. As you said Rovnak, you can point this out to management and if the woman has a history of such bad service they will likely prevent her from working at the boate.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2368828]My understanding is that the boites and the hotels nearby (or next door really) legally need to be separate businesses in Brazil. That's why at scandallo you have to climb up that staircase to reach the hotel lobby. So if you complain about the service to the hotel staff they will say, talk to the boites and visa versa if you complain to the boite. Bad sessions and scams are just a part of the deal in what we do. So will, some won't, so what, next is the best philosophy..[/QUOTE]I don't think its necessarily mandatory that there are 2 separate legal entities but I KNOW it is a strategy that the bigger boates use to avoid problems. There was a period when both Scandalo and Bomboa and Bahamas were all closed by the city. At that time there were not separate legal entities. When they reopened they initiated this "strategy" of having separate legal entities for the bar and the "hotel". So it is a good strategy for them. Now, that said, I don't think its "mandatory", its "strategic". I am not sure that Casaro is following that strategy because its not obvious if the part upstairs is a separate entity, it may be it may not be.

The clinicas are a different situation, not really worth discussing here haha.

Separate story. Today, I went to Redway. After my amazing session, I saw a fellow monger waiting in reception. I said "I am sure I saw you somewhere before". The reception said "Probably in Tangara". I laughed and said that Tangara is the center of the monger universe and that everyone is connected by only a few degrees of separation from everyone else via Tangara. We laughed. Then I got into my Uber for the ride home and amazingly the Uber driver turned out to be huge monger, a member of gp-guia and sure enough a client of Tangara.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2368113]In this hobby, bad sessions are inevitable. Be it in a boate or a clinica or with an escort. I find its best to just chalk up the lost $, walk away and move onto the next hottie. Statistically speaking Brasileiras are probably the best providers in the world, so you just have to move on. And once a session starts to go south its hard to reverse course. If I sense the chemistry is crappy in the room, I usually just leave even though I have paid.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more. I see it as a statistical reality and something to plan for, and work around. Based on my aggregate punting experiences in 7 different countries over the past four years, 1 out of 5 new girls I pick is going to be a bad provider. Out of those five there will be 1 or 2 that are mediocre, and probably 1 who is a stellar performer, even at the lowest of prices. I have come to accept that and now, if things get off to a bad start, I don't even bother to finish. A year ago in Bogota, with two different girls, I just cut it short, got up and got dressed due to bad service. The cost was negligible and at those times, it makes sense to go someplace else without making a fuss. No propina for you, chica. There are too putas in that town to settle for a lousy one.

I do agree with you about Brazileiras in regards to GPS. But, in hindsight I realized that 2 out 5 GPS I contacted on my trip, flaked out on our appointment. That's a common trait of their occupation, anywhere on the globe. Just one more obstacle to be prepared for and plan around. In cities like Sampa you have too many other choices for it to be of any consequence.

Whenever I visit Brazil, I always like to mix in something new with the tried and true. That's why I had to try out Chanes 57 Bar and Nightclub in Sampa. I had heard a lot about this place, especially shortly after it opened, but this was my first chance to stop by and have a look see for myself. I didn't expect much really. That had nothing to do with the place per se, but more with the fact that it was on a Monday night, which is typically a week night for line-ups, I don't care where in the world you are. But Monday was where I was willing to put Chanes 57 in the rotation, making sure that I would be saving the proven best for last.

There was no entrance fee or consumo fee. When you arrive, the girl in reception will give you a slip that has all of the prices for the various types of drinks on it. You write your name on the top of that slip, then you take it and go upstairs to where the bar is. As you order drinks and food throughout the night, the bartender will note on the slip what you consumed over the evening. When you leave, you present the slip to the receptionist downstairs, she totals up your bill, and then you pay.

I got there around 8 pm on a Monday night, and stayed for about 2 1/2 hours. I would say that there could not have been more than 15 girls on hand tops, with most of them falling in the 5 to 6 range per my standards. Needless to say, since I need at least a 7 out of 10 on my optics scale in order to be enticed to part with my money for a fuck, I did not session with anybody. I did spend a considerable amount of time talking to a girl named "Kris" though. She had kind of an "indio" look to her I thought, and was very nice and patient. We mostly communicated through Google translate on our smart phones. Bought her couple of drinks. She pushed for a third, but I said no. Had several Cuba Libres for myself. Ordered an appetizer which we both shared. And then we parted ways. She asked if I wanted to go to the room, but I said no.

When it was all said and done, as I said I chose not to session with anybody, but spent about 275 reals for the evening on food and drink, not including my taxi fares to and from the club. Based on this one experience, I would not return to Chanes 57. The overall condition of the bar area was OK, but I cannot comment on the rooms as I did not go with anybody. And even though it was a Monday, I am doubtful that the line-up would be that much better later on in the week. You just get a "sense" of a place you know, and my sense is that Chanes 57 is not where you go to run up on a bunch of hotties. More like mostly 5's and 6's. There was one mulatta there who was a solid 7 on my scale (maybe higher on somebody else's), but that was it in terms of attractive girls as far as I am concerned. Glad I checked it out though, and now I know for myself about Chanes 57. No need to wonder!

Slow start, but I'm just beginning my friends!

TC.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2368749]Very recently I have been experimenting with audio to text and have not been very happy. The translations have been a nonsensical mess. If anyone knows of an audio to text app that works well, I for one would be interested in learning about it and how accurate it is.[/QUOTE]I find google translate "conversation mode" to be quite good. Thifany and I used it if we had a complex discussion in London. I don't know how well it would work in a noisy club. I actually also use it to see if I am getting the accent or a word right. If I learn a phrase in Português I will say it in Portuguese to the app and see if the English is right. If so I know I am saying it nominally correctly.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2368997]I find google translate "conversation mode" to be quite good. Thifany and I used it if we had a complex discussion in London. I don't know how well it would work in a noisy club. I actually also use it to see if I am getting the accent or a word right. If I learn a phrase in Portugus I will say it in Portuguese to the app and see if the English is right. If so I know I am saying it nominally correctly.[/QUOTE]Yeah Google Translate works pretty well in a face-to-face conversation if it isn't too noisy. Wish I could find a way to change it to a man's voice but have not been able to figure that out yet. But what I was referring to is when I receive a voice message in WhatsApp and I need to translate it. Gboard works great for translating text messages, but I have not found anything good for the WhatsApp audio messages yet.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2368113]
In this hobby, bad sessions are inevitable. . Be it in a boate or a clinica or with an escort. I find its best to just chalk up the lost $, walk away and move onto the next hottie. [/QUOTE]The problem with this strategy is that it trains the girls to think they can just take your money and give no service.

On the other hand, if you raise hell like Mr Lalabo, the girl is less likely to be welcome in the club in the future.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2368922]Whenever I visit Brazil, I always like to mix in something new with the tried and true. That's why I had to try out Chanes 57 Bar and Nightclub in Sampa. Based on this one experience, I would not return to Chanes 57. [/QUOTE]Thanks for trying it out and letting us know.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2369095]The problem with this strategy is that it trains the girls to think they can just take your money and give no service.

On the other hand, if you raise hell like Mr Lalabo, the girl is less likely to be welcome in the club in the future.[/QUOTE]That may work in a clinica, but it is very unlikely to have any effect in a boate, particularly a large boate. The boate employees just don't care about what happens between customers and ladies. Perhaps they would listen to a regular customer but they sure as hell are not going to side with a tourist.

Honestly, there are not a lot of true "scammers" out there. Its a lot easier for a cynical provider to just go through the motions and give you bad sex than create a scene and argue with the customer.

Day-4 (Sunday 9/1):

Visited Argentinian side of Iguazu falls and had blast. I must visit for any nature lover.

Returned to Foz do Iguazu that evening. After dinner I contacted Mel. I had another great 2 hour fun time with her and her ass.

Day-5 (Monday 9/2):

Returned SP that afternoon and checked into Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera.

Clinic Abbobora:

I walked to Abbobora in the evening. They had 15 girls in the lineup. I picked Emily (as for as I remember). She was very good. I did anal for 100 BR extra. Her massage during the remaining time after session was good. She had strong hands. 260 BR + 100 BR for 1 hour.

I felt little bit under weather maybe because of the getting drenched under Iguazu waterfalls last 2 days. I took it easy and rested that night.

Day-6 (Tuesday 9/3):

This was the last day of my trip.

Clinic Prime:

I walked to Abbobora that afternoon. They had about 10 girls in lineup. I didn't like anyone so I walked to Prime. They had 8 girls in lineup. I picked a good looking 24 yo 170 cm tall Karen. I did a 1 hour session with anal. 230 BR + 100 BR for 1 HR.

Scandallo:

I went to the club at around 6:30 pm. I had only few ours before I had to get to airport. This time the entrance is 150 BR and all consumable.

There were only few men and 60+ girls present. Large sections of the club was close and with floor to ceiling curtains including main lounge. The area around the restaurant and the area at the back were open. There is an advantage in coming early to this club. You don't have to compete with tons of men for girls. There are enough hotties present so you can pick the one you like at your leisure.

I spoke to 5-6 girls. 2 of them quoted 1 K. I saw 2 super hot blondes walk in. I immediately put them on my list hoping to take one of them. Both of them reminded me of hot German girls I have seen in shopping centers in Germany. Then I saw this very tall, young, pretty girl with Asian features. She happened to be a 20 yo, 178 cm tall, Japanese mix. I never had Jap or Jap mix so she immediately took the top spot in my list. How often can you meet such tall pretty Jap girl. She didn't speak English but we managed to communicate using app. She passed my interview with flying colors. She quoted 900. We agreed for 800. She does anal for 600. I already had one for the day so I passed.

Went upstairs. Paid 200 BR for room. Room was decent size and facilities were nice and clean. She was simply amazing. Spectacular body. Hard natural be cups, nice firm ass and super tight pussy. She kept the action natural by ever waiting for my instructions. She lead the action when necessary. Lots of kissing and licking. Her BBBJ skills were great. Lots of deep throating. Fucked her in various positions before finishing in her mouth. If this session is any representation of Scandallo girl's service then I will be visiting SP just for this boate (and clinics). 800 BR + 200 BR for 1 HR.

My thoughts on Clinics:

I did 3 session. All of them were good. There seems to be reliable minimum service standard maintained in clinics. That is a a good think for someone like me who travel long way spending quote a bit of money. For that reason I will be visiting clinics during my next visit.

My thoughts on Boetes:

I have visited 4 of them. 3 in SP and 1 in Foz do Iguazu. I will avoid Casarao and visit other 3 during my future trip (s).

Scandallo is by far my favorite.

In FKK clubs (German, Swiss and Austrian) the girls are naked or wearing lingerie, where as girls in boates are fully clothed. Clothing helps girls cover-up some of the imperfections and helps them present themselves better than if they are naked. I am keep that in mind when you compare Scandallo with clubs like FKK Globe in Zurich. Still I think Scandallo beats Globe in terms of lineup strength, quality and optics.

Like many mongers I do care about service in addition to optics. That's where FKK Globe beats Scandallo. There is a GFE service guarantee (provided you are clean enough) at Globe whereas Scandallo doesn't. I had sampled only 1 girl so I don't know how reliable are Scandallo girls in providing better than average service. Average service is not enough when they girls are commanding high price. For now FKK Globe wins service category. I may change my opinion once I sample enough girls at Scandallo in my future trip (s).

Well if last night was about something new, then Caf Photo was about something well-known. Arrived a bit early around 9 pm Entrance fee was 150 reals. Or, if you agree to pay 100 reals upfront as a consumption fee, then the entrance price is lowered to 120 reals. I planned to eat, drink, and be merry, so I took the latter deal.

Immediately when you step into this club, you not only see but also feel the difference between one of the more upscale boites versus a club like Chanes 57. That's not meant to be a general swipe at the lower end places. Every establishment has its place in the order of things, with both pros and cons. A pro with a place like Caf Photo is simply that the girls on average are far more attractive than at a lower end club. I mean there were 7's and 8's everywhere I looked! I can't say that I saw a lot of 9's and 10's, but the optics were damn sure better than at Chanes 57! No doubt!

But then of course, there is the downside, which would be the price of the pussy in a place like Caf Photo! The entrance and consumption fees don't bother me any, but it's the asking price of the girls for sex. When the exchange rate was 3 reals to the dollar, most of the girls were asking as high as 800 reals for an hour, but you could easily talk most down to 600. Now with an exchange rate of 4 reals to the dollar, I found that most of the girls were asking for 1,000 reals per hour, but also that you could easily talk most down to 800 (but not all as you will read later). With the current exchange rates, I'm OK with 800 for an hour in a place like a Caf Photo, but I would never pay that at a Chanes 57 or at any of the clinicas. Sampa offers a huge mongering market, and you have to be prepared to pay different prices depending on which market segment you're operating in. That's just the facts. Accept it, or just don't play at the poshest boites. Complaining about it will accomplish nothing.

At 9 pm When I arrived, there were only about 20 ladies available. As the night wore on and approached midnight though, I would say that by that time at least 60+ had shown up on a Tuesday night! And like I said, solid 7's and 8's abounded. Early in the evening, I chose to go with a girl from Belo Horizonte named Claudia, who I would rate a 7. She had what I call the "classic" Brasiliera look I was in the mood for. Straight black hair, attractive face, huge natural boobies, narrow hips, and a big bunda! But rather than being caramel-complected, which I like, she was white-skinned. So maybe not 100% classic look but close. Claudia spoke virtually no English but could understand some basic Spanish. Between that and Google Translate, we were just fine. Said she came early with a friend because she didn't like the late-night crowd. Was hoping to do one session and leave. We had a couple of drinks and an appetizer and got along well enough that I decided I wanted to session. Claudia asked for 1,000 for an hour, but quickly came down to 800. Also, she said that although she did not normally do BBBJ / CIM, she would with me because she thought I was a nice guy, and she liked me. Charm and being nice helps. But still didn't get me anal though! No problem (this time)!

We took the "company car" over to the club-affiliated hotel (don't recall if the name is still The Kinky Hotel or not), which is offered free round trip. The room cost was 200 reals per hour. They will also offer to sell you some condoms too if you need them. Had my own, so did not. After showering it was onto the bed for a decent session. Lots of DFKing and suckling at those big naturals hahaha! True to her word Claudia worked to suck me off, but I just didn't have the patience. Didn't get any the night before, and I wanted to fuck! We went into some 69, and Claudia's cootchie was so clean, tasty, and sweet! In mish, in between lots more DFKing, I told Claudia that Brazilian girls were the absolute numero uno in the world and superior to the gringa. Claudia seemed to get really excited and turned on by my words and was moaning (I have found that girls throughout Latin America really get turned on when I say this to them). Not long after telling her how much better the Brasiliera is, I came inside of Claudia (condom on). Afterwards some nice pillow talk and listening to music followed. We exchanged contact info, got dressed and stuff, and left the room. I took the car back to the club, and Claudia was done for the night. Had made her money, and that was it for her.

Now, even though I returned to the club (no requirement to pay another entrance fee by the way), I really had not planned to go with another girl. I didn't even have the cash on me to pay for another session at Caf Photo prices. So, decided I wanted at least one more drink and to scope the place out for future possibilities. Well, anytime a horny monger is on the prowl, you just have to realize that you just might see that "someone" who you cannot resist! And I did too! Her name was Julia, and she was a solid 8 on my scale. Kind of petite with long blonde hair (fake but she pulled it off well), really pretty smile, white-skinned, big silicone tits but right for her frame, large false eyelashes, red nail polish, and a plump, round bubble butt! Now that's what you calls a "tute" LOLOLOL! Yes sir! The only thing she was missing was the puffy lips! It took me a minute to talk to her because had to decide if I wanted to spend the money, but decided to go for it and good thing too because she said she only works two nights a week! Probably never would have seen her again.

Went ahead and pulled the trigger and we got along famously right from the start. Julia spoke no English, but her Spanish was so good that we only needed Google Translate just a handful of times. She told me that she was not too long back from Dubai where she had been working and making a lot of money. Those Arab guys (especially the Saudis) pay well and like the "loiras" like her she said. I asked her why she came back to Brazil, and she said that it was hard working in Dubai. Good money was to be made, and there were other Brazilian girls over there working (did not meet any when I went), but that it was just hard to live there and to communicate. Nobody speaks Portuguese. She decided to come on back to Brazil. And a looker like her is definitely going to make big money anywhere she goes no question! Probably why she only needs to work two days a week. Well, she said she has a job doing some kind of work at a TV station too. Wonder if she will ever get in front of the camera? Then I can say hey I fucked that LOL!

Anyway, we started working the deal, and when Julia agreed to anal sex, I knew then I was going to have to have her! I had a relatively hard time getting anal my last time in Sampa, and so no way could I pass up packing this pretty little blondie's fudge! The issue was the price. She started at 1,000 reals like the other girls, but then wanted to tack on a 500 reals surcharge for the booty hole too! And I'm thinking that on top of that I have to pay for the room. Had not planned to spend this much tonight! But I got to have this girl's anus! Tried to work a better deal for myself, but Julia wasn't willing to budge much on the price. I ended up going with her and don't regret it, but considering that we went for an hour and half, fucking Julia was like paying for sugar baby pussy on the States or something! I tried to justify it in my mind. I had not spent much the night before, so I could splurge some now. The average guy like me doesn't get to cornhole hot blondes like this in the butt all the time I justified to myself. To hell with the justifications! Let's go! I'll be ashamed of what I paid total in the morning, but for now I need this girl's anal cavity! Hahaha!

So, we take the car over, but first I have to stop and get some cash from an ATM to cover the expenses. Julia puts my hand on her butt and likes me squeezing on her plump, round fanny as we ride in the car hehehe! We get to the hotel and I pay for the room. This time I buy some condoms since I have only one left. They gave me four for like 10 reals. Off to the room! And Julia immediately has her sumptuous tits out and in my mouth! Then her dress comes off and oh my God what a body! Her ass is even more banging than I thought! So Brazilian plump and round with tan lines just like on her tits too. Julia is in the shower and out, and before I can get in there she's already chowing down on my dick! Yeah, this is going to be a PSE session just like I wanted from this tute! Julia was aggressive on my dick, but in the right kind of way with her good technique. She too had agreed to let me cum in her mouth, but again I was too impatient. We got into lots of DFKing and me groping and sucking on them quality tits. Into 69 and I ate out her asshole! So good! She was making all kinds of sounds and noises. Like in a damn porno movie! I know some guys don't like that, but damn it when I'm having a PSE session, then I want porn starlet behaviors! OK? LOL!

Julia mounted me reverse cowgirl style so I could enjoy seeing her bouncing that gorgeous round bum of hers up and down against my body whack, whack, whack! Driving my dick up into her "buceta". I admired the view before we went into missionary so that I could pound the daylights out of her! Julia was getting loud and crying out in between DFKing, "Fockee me! Fockee me! Oh yes fockee me"! Loved it and led to the first nut! So, then we relaxed. Talked a bit. We both needed some water LOL! She ordered some and they brought it up. But all I could think about next was getting up into that butt hole of hers! Dick started to get hard again, and Julia helped me along with some skull. She said I really needed to be super hard to get inside of her A-hole. She said she was going to ride me in reverse cowgirl again, then sink her asshole down onto my dick. As we started getting closer to the deed, Julia leaned way over and spread her ass cheeks wide to show me her glorious "brownie". My dick was out of the buceta now. I rubbed the head around against her butt hole and was super excited and hard!

Julia then started. Trying to sink her anus down onto my dick, but she was just too tight! We were about to run out of time! But no way was I going to abandon ship now! I said let's get another half hour to finish the job. No problem for anybody else as long as she and the hotel were getting paid! I told you guys this was some expensive, sugar baby butt hole right here hahaha! But I had to have it! Had to! Since reverse cowgirl didn't do the trick, Julia laid on her tummy, and I tried to get all the way into her "chunnel" that way. I put some weight onto her ass cheeks and oh man! So plump and tender and round with just the perfect amount of firmness and give and "coloring"! Haha! But still not in! OK, time for The Cane's patented missionary anal technique. Julia is now on her back with legs spread to allow me access to her anus. I'm going in for the finish, and this time it's working! We're getting there, we're getting there! And all the while talking dirty to each other in between DFKing in a jumbled mix of Spanish and Portuguese LOL! I feel Julia's butt hole opening up and swallowing me until finally I'm in! Oh my God she says! Yes, I agree totally! Oh my God so divine! I tell Julia in Spanish how much I love to fuck pretty, blonde, white Brazilian girls in the ass! She immediately responds right back with no hesitation that her little white girl "culito" is for me to have! My Lord have mercy Jesus! I can't take too much more of this is what! Spermed inside of Julia's forbidden anal tract! Was it worth it? Every last rusty real my friends! We only live once! Spent too much this time for an unforgettable experience. Will just fuck less tomorrow hahaha!

We got dressed. Commented to Julia on how tight her asshole was. She said the problem was that my dick is big ha! Did some more kissing. Squeezing on that plump, round, branca fanny. Exchanged contact info. I caught a taxi home. Believe Julia was done for the night, but not sure. She made her money. And earned every last bit of it! I know that much. PSE all the way! Told her she fucked like a porn star and she as like no, no, no hehehe! No matter, because I was done for the night! Back in Brazil again! Halleluiah!

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2369298]..................... Still I think Scandallo beats Globe in terms of lineup strength, quality and optics..................[/QUOTE]Thats a very bold statement. I have not been to Globe but the best optics I have seen in mongering is at Oase and Sharks and I am told that the optics at Globe are superior to that at those two clubs. I have never been to Scandallo and have not visited having read that the Scandallo girls go to the clinicas during the day. I have not seen optics at the clinicas to compete with that at Oase and Sharks.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2369459]That's a very bold statement. I have not been to Globe but the best optics I have seen in mongering is at Oase and Sharks and I am told that the optics at Globe are superior to that at those two clubs. I have never been to Scandallo and have not visited having read that the Scandallo girls go to the clinicas during the day. I have not seen optics at the clinicas to compete with that at Oase and Sharks.[/QUOTE]I have been to all of the clubs that you mention. Scandallos, Globe, Oase, and Sharks. My experience is that the optics at the Zurich clubs were no better than at the German FKKs, making Zurich not worth the time and money for me. In Europe the best value for your money is found in Germany IMHO, and there is no question but that many of the same girls have moved back and forth between Germany and Switzerland too. In fact, I think this is far more common than finding a 9 or 10 from one of the top-tier Brazilian Sao Paulo clubs working in a clinica staffed by mostly 5's and 6's. I suppose it happens, but I don't believe it's as common as the girls shuttling around between Germany, Switzerland and other European countries.

I mean, I say again. I am a logical and rational man. If I could consistently find the same 9's and 10's at a clinica that I could at a place like a Scandallos, then why wouldn't I go to the clinicas at cut rate prices instead? Because from what I can see with my own eyes and tastes, the girls at the clinicas are like at Chanes 57. Overwhelmingly 5's and 6's! Now when it comes to Zurich, many will say that what sets a place like Globe apart is the quality and consistency in the performance of the girls. OK, well I have received top-notch service from the girls in Germany to my satisfaction, so no need for me to drop the extra coin mongering in high-priced Switzerland. That said, I can honestly say that the sex provided me at Globe was outstanding, and I received the absolute best BBBJ / CIM in my entire life there at Globe in Switzerland. No exaggeration. But here's the kicker. The girl was Brazilian! So, for me that says more about Brazil than it does about Globe LOL! Brazil is number 1 baby!

With guys dropping R$1000 on a girl and a room at a top boate, it's worthwhile for newbies here to know that you can get a knock-out escort who is known for GFE and maybe PSE. She might even include anal for half that.

A lot of Sao Paulo visitors don't have the time or patience to research escorts on the local Portuguese language guide. There is also no comparison to the optics and "candy store" feeling you get at Scandallo. There's also the thrill of being with a girl who might only work sparingly. You caught the diamond at the right time.

I'm wondering if guys have had success negotiating lower priced afternoon rendezvous with the Scandallo girls. It sure beats paying the basic love hotel the ridiculous R$200.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2369459]Thats a very bold statement. I have not been to Globe but the best optics I have seen in mongering is at Oase and Sharks and I am told that the optics at Globe are superior to that at those two clubs. I have never been to Scandallo and have not visited having read that the Scandallo girls go to the clinicas during the day. I have not seen optics at the clinicas to compete with that at Oase and Sharks.[/QUOTE]Not going to comment on the European clubs I have not been to. Scandalo is enormous. I believe there can be up to 200 girls on a Wed or Thursday night, so the sheer quantity is "dizzying" in a good way. That said, they are wearing evening dress which accentuates their best and hides their worst so often the unclothed version is not as "model" like as you might have thought.

There is no reason not to at least visit Scandalo at least once to see for yourself. Yes, some of us have said that SOME Scandalo girls will work at clinicas occasionally, or rotate to Casarao on weekends because Scandalo is really a T-W-T club. If you do go, you must go T, W, or Thursday to see the prime time. But no one has ever suggested that a lot of Scandalo girls are "simultaneously" working at clinicas during the day and Scandalo at night. So in any give time frame probably 90% of the girls at Scandalo are only to be found at Scandalo. The rotation we were talking about is more of a career rotation.

Anyway, its worth checking out particularly with the strong exchange rate to see for yourself. I don't go often because I prefer to find the up and comers, the unspoiled newbies at the clinicas that don't realize they are a cut above the rest. Then I establish home visits. But that strategy is not available to a short time visitor. The last time I went to Scandalo, I have to admit I was a bit disappointed that there were far more MILF types than I had seen previously. Its always a bit of pot luck, but I always say check out all the top places you have time and wallet to try.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2368828]My understanding is that the boites and the hotels nearby (or next door really) legally need to be separate businesses in Brazil. That's why at scandallo you have to climb up that staircase to reach the hotel lobby. So if you complain about the service to the hotel staff they will say, talk to the boites and visa versa if you complain to the boite. Bad sessions and scams are just a part of the deal in what we do. So will, some won't, so what, next is the best philosophy.[/QUOTE]To me, the separation seems like window dressing. This is especially true if the boate collects the girls' fees for them.

I'm sure the top boates have banned girls no matter how hot they were. What you explained above makes me think the boates like to hide behind this thin veil when it comes to customers.

I know people get pissed off by Help references, but the girl's at the old Help and now Mabs are true freelancers. There are still a few hooker bars/clubs around the world where you can meet genuine freelancers. It seems like they eventually get shut down and someone finds a way to make something off the top from the girls.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2369526]A lot of Sao Paulo visitors don't have the time or patience to research escorts on the local Portuguese language guide.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I have been trying to use PhotoAcompanhantes (and a few others) but so far no luck. For one thing, I would say that at least 80% of the WhatsApp numbers listed on PA are are no good (better luck on other sites with this)! They may have been at one point, but I'm finding that most no longer register in WhatsApp. Then the ones that do, you never hear back, and had no hope that you would since you could see that she hadn't been on in two months! Then the ones you do hear from, you can't close the deal. She's not working that day. She wants you to come to her flat when I want her to come to the hotel. Or, maybe they just flake. I'm not too upset about it though because when it comes to the online thing, you just never know exactly who will show up at your door anyway. I'm usually disappointed. I wll keep trying, but like you say as a visitor I don't feel like wasting too much time and don't have the patience. Hell, I didn't have the patience for two attractive girls to suck me off LOL! Next time!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2369526]I'm wondering if guys have had success negotiating lower priced afternoon rendezvous with the Scandallo girls. It sure beats paying the basic love hotel the ridiculous R$200.[/QUOTE]It all depends on the woman and your negotiating skills. I have gotten plenty of phone numbers from Scandalo girls and they would agree to meet me outside the club for sure, so one can save A LOT just by not paying the entrada and the room fees. But I found very few that were willing to go much lower on their hourly rate. I had hoped that they would adjust their rate outside of the club to be on a par with the high end tinder / website freelancers, I. E. 300 (max 400) per hour. But I found that most of the ones I talked to had the attitude "well you met me in Scandalo, so you have to pay Scandalo price no matter where we meet". I personally don't like to haggle. I would usually tell them, I have a lot of other options so if you change your mind let me know.

That said, I did succeed in getting several that were getting (at that time) 600-800 at Scandalo to see me for 300. So it can be done, but not easy.

Rovnak,
I was kind of thinking about an afternoon / early evening discount. The girls know the boates are their late night feeding grounds. Some of them will take a sure thing and they can still try hustling at the boate later.

I also like an early romp. Then I can hit the boate and just enjoy. I'm a better negotiator when I've already had some action that day.

The Cane,
You know there's the Twitter girls too. If the girl has been actively promoting on Twitter the last few days, you can be fairly sure she's currently working.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2369597]Rovnak,
I was kind of thinking about an afternoon / early evening discount. The girls know the boates are their late night feeding grounds. Some of them will take a sure thing and they can still try hustling at the boate later..[/QUOTE]Of course that is what I was referring to. I was never that suggesting the GP forego her night at Scandalo. What I am saying is that they don't see it as you and I do. The biggest downside to places like Scandalo is that they foster a group think amongst many, not all, of the GPS that they are "elite". I mean we have all seen it. There must be a ton of chicks that have zero customers during the night but they are not going to have a fire sale at 3 am.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2369459]Thats a very bold statement. I have not been to Globe but the best optics I have seen in mongering is at Oase and Sharks and I am told that the optics at Globe are superior to that at those two clubs. I have never been to Scandallo and have not visited having read that the Scandallo girls go to the clinicas during the day. I have not seen optics at the clinicas to compete with that at Oase and Sharks.[/QUOTE]Yup! That's my assessment based on what I experienced during my 2 visits. It is based on how may hotties I would have wanted to fuck during each of my visits. There were easily 50+ girls that I would have like to fuck among 200+ girls during my first visit. I have never seen such overwhelming number of hotties in any of the German, Swiss or Austrian FKKs including Oase, Sharks and Globe.

Yes, Oase and Sharks do have great lineups where as Oase tend to have optically better lineup. Oase and Sharks have become heavily shark infested now a days. Globe lineup is mostly spinner type girls and at least decent looking ones. You don't see chubby ones there. Globe limits the number of top of the line hotties in lineup on any given day. It is usually about 10% of the lineup, which is usually 5-6 hotties at most. Those hotties tend to be booked for hours on so they may never show up in the lounge. At some point you are tired of waiting and pick a lower tier girls. For me choosing Scandallo was a no brainer when comparing 5-6 hotties at Globe to 50+ in Scandallo on my first visit.

Scandallo is a luxury experience through and through. Of course you will pay accordingly for it.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2369526]With guys dropping R$1000 on a girl and a room at a top boate, it's worthwhile for newbies here to know that you can get a knock-out escort who is known for GFE and maybe PSE. She might even include anal for half that.

A lot of Sao Paulo visitors don't have the time or patience to research escorts on the local Portuguese language guide. There is also no comparison to the optics and "candy store" feeling you get at Scandallo. There's also the thrill of being with a girl who might only work sparingly. You caught the diamond at the right time.

I'm wondering if guys have had success negotiating lower priced afternoon rendezvous with the Scandallo girls. It sure beats paying the basic love hotel the ridiculous R$200.[/QUOTE]I personally I didn't feel like negotiating too much on my last day with only few hours to spare. If I tried I could have bought it down a 100 BR or 200 BR, which I didn't think was big of a deal to me. Also I wanted to see the service level of the girl when I don't negotiate to the bone. She was happy with 800 BR I paid her and I was very happy with the service she provided.

I will test the limits of negotiations during my future trips. I am not sure how successful that would be.

I want to Scandallo before 7pm and saw very few men. Most of the girls were sitting in groups chatting. So I kind of got the feeling that by going early one would be able to negotiate some hot girls down to lower price like 600 RB. Some may go for it considering they could earn additional money later that night. Who knows some girls may hold their ground.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2369450]Well if last night was about something new, then Caf Photo was about something well-known. Arrived a bit early around 9 pm Entrance fee was 150 reals. Or, if you agree to pay 100 reals upfront as a consumption fee, then the entrance price is lowered to 120 reals. I planned to eat, drink, and be merry, so I took the latter deal.


At 9 pm When I arrived, there were only about 20 ladies available. As the night wore on and approached midnight though, I would say that by that time at least 60+ had shown up on a Tuesday night! And like I said, solid 7's and 8's abounded. Early in the evening, I chose to go with a girl from Belo Horizonte named Claudia, who I would rate a 7. She had what I call the "classic" Brasiliera look I was in the mood for. Straight black hair, attractive face, huge natural boobies, narrow hips, and a big bunda! But rather than being caramel-complected, which I like, she was white-skinned. So maybe not 100% classic look but close. Claudia spoke virtually no English but could understand some basic Spanish. Between that and Google Translate, we were just fine. Said she came early with a friend because she didn't like the late-night crowd. Was hoping to do one session and leave. We had a couple of drinks and an appetizer and got along well enough that I decided I wanted to session. Claudia asked for 1,000 for an hour, but quickly came down to 800. Also, she said that although she did not normally do BBBJ / CIM, she would with me because she thought I was a nice guy, and she liked me. Charm and being nice helps. But still didn't get me anal though! No problem (this time)!


We got dressed. Commented to Julia on how tight her asshole was. She said the problem was that my dick is big ha! Did some more kissing. Squeezing on that plump, round, branca fanny. Exchanged contact info. I caught a taxi home. Believe Julia was done for the night, but not sure. She made her money. And earned every last bit of it! I know that much. PSE all the way! Told her she fucked like a porn star and she as like no, no, no hehehe! No matter, because I was done for the night! Back in Brazil again! Halleluiah![/QUOTE]Great report TheCane. I am guessing we tourist types are being slapped with about 200 BR tourist tax by these girls at high-end boates. Unfortunately our visits are short and have to make the best of it. Sometimes when you see something good you have to put the bid in.

So on each of my former trips to Sao Paulo I was tempted to visit Scandallo but every time I thought of going it occurred to me that I would be paying more for a girl there than I would at home. Why pay so much for travel and accommodation to also pay more for the girl? Nevertheless I would make it a point to go there come my November trip to see what all the shouting is about.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2369667]So on each of my former trips to Sao Paulo I was tempted to visit Scandallo but every time I thought of going it occurred to me that I would be paying more for a girl there than I would at home. Why pay so much for travel and accommodation to also pay more for the girl? Nevertheless I would make it a point to go there come my November trip to see what all the shouting is about.[/QUOTE]Don't know what city you are from, but where I am from, the hourly rate for a top-tier girl would be much higher, her performance likely lower, and the whole transaction illegal. That makes traveling abroad worth it to me. Besides, I like getting out and seeing the world. I write about the mongering aspects here. But I enjoy doing other things abroad too. Really I do!

When you send a WhatsApp message to an independent service provider, don't get offended if she doesn't answer your message immediately. The best ones get couple of hundred messages every day and they have to filter the serious ones from the "Hi, how are you" messages and organize their agendas. We all appreciate the girls not answering the messages during the session. Be polite and objective. Ask how is her service or if she does this or that, whatever your kink is. I usually mention that I saw her review on gpguia to give her a signal that I know what her price level is.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2369459]Thats a very bold statement. I have not been to Globe but the best optics I have seen in mongering is at Oase and Sharks and I am told that the optics at Globe are superior to that at those two clubs. I have never been to Scandallo and have not visited having read that the Scandallo girls go to the clinicas during the day. I have not seen optics at the clinicas to compete with that at Oase and Sharks.[/QUOTE]I've been to all four including Sharks this week, Scandallo in July, and Globe in February so I feel well qualified to comment. I will leave out Oase since it's been a couple years but I do not like it as much as Sharks.

Globe has pretty women but too few. They may show 60 on the web as "being at the club" but on the floor only 10-12.

Sharks is in between with lots of a available women but a real mix of levels.

Scandallo has more doable pussy than any venue on the planet. 150 girls on a Thursday night I would say.

And I am four for four at Scandallo for excellent service. But was 3 for three at Globe and 2 for 2 at Sharks tho one would have ripped a newbie a new asshole on pricing. So I can't complain about service at any of those venues.

Ive said it before but its worth repeating if I could go one place in the world and Ive been nearly everywhere it would be Scandallo. But its not just optics or in room service. Its The in-club time also. I spent 2 hours dancing and flirting with Karina, 1 hour+ with Josy, and at least a half hour with Andressa. The whole package is great! (PS and Andressa was a full on 3x9.5 — face body and performance. OMFG.

Back in the day I had fun times in Madahos, Blacks, Hook, Catto's and Xyedra in Buenos Aires, top level girls that did not break the bank. In the States I pay no more than $350 per hour for an escort. A visit to Scandallo will amount to more money per hour than I've ever paid for a hoochie.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2369892]Back in the day I had fun times in Madahos, Blacks, Hook, Catto's and Xyedra in Buenos Aires, top level girls that did not break the bank. In the States I pay no more than $350 per hour for an escort. A visit to Scandallo will amount to more money per hour than I've ever paid for a hoochie.[/QUOTE]Well, when it comes to Sao Paulo, I think the key like Rovnak says is to see the boite girls outside of the clubs. That way, you're cutting out the entrance fees, the consumption fees, and hotel room charges. That's going to save you a lot of money right there. As a "tourist" monger, this just isn't the best strategy for me though.

I'm trying to see and do as much as I can in a few weeks. Then I'm gone. But with memories to last a lifetime ha! I can say that even as a tourist there are cheaper options in Sao Paulo. But I find that I just don't like the looks of the girls enough to pursue those options heavily during the limited amount of time I have to operate in. And, I find the online thing to be mostly a waste of my time.

I don't believe in spending money on something just because you have the cash to spend. That's stupid and wasteful. But, if you're finding value in what you're paying for, and you can truly afford it, then I say go for it! Each guy has to make his own decisions about this. Take in all the best factually-based advice and opinions, then decide for yourself. If and when you're in Brazil again, I think you should at least visit Scandallo once. Even if you don't session a single time, I think you will be impressed with the facilities, and more importantly with the looks of many of the ladies there. Check it out dude!

Oh, in my city the very best, finest tutes per my tastes want like $500 per hour (or more)! And they often will deliver a lot less, but still think they're doing something when in fact they aren't doing jack shit! Everything covered, often no anal, and virtually never CIM. And many of them can't hold a candle to a smoking hot Brailiera. To this I say fuck that! Have passport, will travel to see the world and hump prettier, sexier foreign girls who know how to "put out". Safadas are what I need LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2369727]Don't know what city you are from, but where I am from, the hourly rate for a top-tier girl would be much higher, her performance likely lower, and the whole transaction illegal. That makes traveling abroad worth it to me. Besides, I like getting out and seeing the world. I write about the mongering aspects here. But I enjoy doing other things abroad too. Really I do![/QUOTE]You're right. I presume you are in the USA.

However, the Scandallo pricing is competing with London, Spain, Canada as well as Brazilian escorts etc. Here you can get stunning escorts in all shapes and sizes. For performance, I would always recommend looking at the reviews of the attractive escorts.

Where Scandallo stands out is the "candy store" feeling with reasonable assurance that the hot girl walking across the club will be a fantastic performer. That's always been the Brazilian quality assurance. There's also the entertainment value which is what I think Steve is referencing.

Like Lalabo, one of my goals with this trip is to do a little scouting. The mongering scene is Sao Paulo is large, and I admit I have sampled only a small part of it. So, I'm making sure to mix in some places I have not been to before along with others that I already know I like. That's why last night I decided to try The Connection Nightclub. I did not know it, but this place is owned by the same folks who own and run Scandallo. At least that's what one of the girl's told me. Connection is way on the other side of town. I'the say that with traffic, it probably took about 30 minutes to get there. I took a taxi, and the cost was around 70 reals, which is still awfully cheap compared to what a similar ride would have cost in the States. I tried using Uber, but it didn't work. Think I will try one more time.

Now when you get there, you're going to find that this club is much more hardcore Brazilian. If you're not used to being out of your element and get rattled by the unfamiliar, then maybe Connection ought not be your first mongering stop in Sao Paulo. Nobody was speaking a word of English. They will even tell you that they don't understand Spanish, but what I have found is that if you do go ahead and start speaking in Spanish, many people will in fact understand a lot of what you are saying. So, if you have the Spanish like I do, then use that. It does help. Upon arrival, you will see a glass booth on your right with some ladies in it. You need to go their and show them some ID. They will then associate your name with an account, and give you a card that you will provide to the bartenders and waiters whenever you order food and drink. This is how they track what you consume. Then when you leave, you pay. There was no entrada or consumption fee I needed to pay before going in. You pay when you leave. Same system as at Chanes 57, only electronic versus on paper.

Upon entering the club, I found it to be long and narrow (but not too narrow), with a stage for a band immediately to my left, and a long bar across the way on the other side. This was also the main club area with seating for patrons and the girls. The next room back was the restaurant, which seemed to have more people in it that the main club area when I got there around 9:30 pm I didn't realize it at first, but the club was bigger than I thought. One of the bubble butt tutes in there was kind enough to show me ha! Off of the restaurant was a good sized, enclosed smoking area. There was a tiny little area where some people were gambling. And then another decent sized back bar.

OK, so what about the ladies? Well, I was reasonably impressed! It was hard to say how many were there at peak time around midnight because of the layout of the place. But I'm going to guess around 50 with several of them very doable. Lots of 7's and 8's like at Cafe Photo, but I kind of liked the vibe at Connection better. I think it was because the Connection girls dress and act more provocatively. I'm talking short, tight dresses and skirts hugging their asses and barely covering their cheeks! To entice the men, sometimes they would sit in their laps and grind. I saw one girl reaching for and stroking the dick. Lifting their dresses and skirts up to give a monger a peak. I know some guys don't like this and say it's not "classy", but I prefer a little "grime" every now and then. The Cane likes a little trash! The Cane likes a little trash! The Cane likes it "trashy" at times LOL! The thing is, the club itself looked nice. Not dirty or anything at all.

Often times in the Sao Paulo boites the girls will not approach, and expect you to let them know you like them if you want them to come over. But as the clock struck midnight, they starting getting more aggressive lest they run the risk of not making any money for the night. One girl who I would rate a 6. 5 to 7 actually approached me earlier. I had just ordered an appetizer, and I asked her to share it with me. An appetizer in Brazil sometimes can be the size of a full meal it seems to me! She was nice and all, but spoke no English. She didn't even seem to know how to use Google Translate on a smart phone. Anyway, we talked for awhile and ate. But I knew I would not go with her, and told her I did not want to waste her time. No hard feelings. Peck on the cheek, and she left.

The thing is, having overspent the night before, I decided that I was going to tamp it down at Connection and not go with anybody unless she just "moved" me. "Touched" me in just the right way. Got approached by a redhead (not natural) with a tattoo on my arm. She asked me what I was looking for that night. I replied, "Oh, I don't know. Anal sex"? Big laugh out of that LOL! Well, she had looked interesting from afar, but face and in the end her body just did not cut it. Then had another girl try the "you don't like me approach". I said it had nothing to do with her, but that sometimes a man is just not ready. Now, there were two morenas in there with huge, plump, round bubble butts! They were friends! I was sure that if the shorter of the two approached me, then I was not going to be able to resist her. Especially if she parked her big hind parts on my dick and started to grind! Well, she did approach me. In fact, she was the one who showed me around. But I ended up being disappointed because her face didn't quite do it for me. Not that she as ugly, but was just a little older than I thought at first, maybe into her 30's. Would not have hesitated to bone the 20's version of herself hehe.

In the end, I chose nobody. However, there were enough doable girls at this club that if were a regular in Sao Paulo, I would put it into the rotation. Oh, and I almost forgot to say something about prices. Like the guy explained outside before I came in, the girls do their own thing, and from what I gather, they charge lower than places like Scandallo, Bomboa, and Cafe Photo. I didn't get too specific with many of the girls, but one of them started out at 500 reals for an hour. That's half of what the tutes start out at in the other places mentioned. I'm sure you can work a little wiggle room into that too. Now, the one who told me 500 said that would include anal. But to be honest, I was a little skeptical. I mean, she said that anal was "hard", which led me to believe that we could get up there the room and she might try, but then not come through with the full deal saying it was "too hard" for her. Speaking of the rooms, the girl who showed me around said that the hotel was located above the club with on-premises rooms for use. No idea how good the rooms are as I did not session.

I spent three hours hanging out at The Connection Nightclub. While there, I had three drinks and an appetizer that I shared with a girl. When I left, my final bill was 260 reals. That was about $65 for the night, plus roundtrip taxi fare at about 70 reals each way. Like I said, if I had the opportunity, I would give The Connection Nightclub another try on another night. Lots of 7's and 8's at more potentially more favorable prices than at places like Scandallo, Bomboa, and Cafe Photo.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2369965]Where Scandallo stands out is the "candy store" feeling with reasonable assurance that the hot girl walking across the club will be a fantastic performer. That's always been the Brazilian quality assurance..[/QUOTE]There's always the chance of ending up with a dud at Scandallo's too! Trust me, it happens!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2369973]
In the end, I chose nobody. However, there were enough doable girls at this club that if were a regular in Sao Paulo, I would put it into the rotation. Oh, and I almost forgot to say something about prices. Like the guy explained outside before I came in, the girls do their own thing, and from what I gather, they charge lower than places like Scandallo, Bomboa, and Cafe Photo. I didn't get too specific with many of the girls, but one of them started out at 500 reals for an hour. That's half of what the tutes start out at in the other places mentioned. [/QUOTE]
[NOPARSE]Salaam Mr Cane, I paid R$250 at Connection for one hour. Juliana, she was very enthusiastic, though no anal. Plus R$70 room charge.

You're right, about half of what you would pay at Scandallo. And just give your name, no ID.
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Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm! Well, what can I say? North America. The rest of South America. Central America, the Caribbean, Europe, the Middle East, and east Asia. I've been to them all, and in no other place have I been to a cathouse as fine and as exquisite as Scandallo. Top notch, spacious facilities with a nice on-premises hotel and quality restaurant. And equally important, if not more, the finest and largest collection of ladies of the night available for your sexual pleasure.

I arrived at my number one puta palace in the world around 7:30 in the evening. The traffic had been heavy, so it took like 30 minutes. I guess that's not bad for Sao Paulo on a Thursday evening during rush hour traffic. Listening to other guys in here in the know, I decided to go on a Thursday since that's supposed to be prime time at Scandallo. That was a good decision too! Believe me! The entrada was 100 reals with a 150 reals consumo, so 250 reals total to get in. Up the elevator and into the club! I was surprised to see that the disco wasn't going already. I learned later that they started opening it later in the night, with the live show getting started at 11 pm.

I walked around to re-familiarize myself with the place, remembering past and pleasant times. Most people were hanging out back in the large open-air space. It's very nice back there, but it was also really hot. Things cooled down later into the evening though, making that area a nice place to go if one wanted a little break from the louder action going on inside. I would say that at the time of my early arrival there were already easily 50 girls available. Their numbers would grow to a staggering at least 200 by midnight! That's right. Not 150, but I'm estimating more like 200 my brothers! In all shapes and sizes too! I won't say in all colors because I saw only 2 negras and 2 Asian girls. Most of these Scandallo tutes were an even mix of brancas and morenas, which is exactly what I like! And I'm talking solid 8's and 9's everywhere, with a 10 sprinkled in here and there. Oh my goodness will you please look at the "donk" on that one! LOLOLOL!

I also like how you will find the girls at Scandallo dressed in all different kinds of ways. You might see somebody in a sexy evening gown. But then there are others dressed like a street tute standing on the corner, with their "fart-tight" dresses and skirts literally gripping their plump, round butts and barely preventing the exposure of their ass cheeks! I saw this one gorgeous, light-skinned morena dressed like that. Really pretty face, long dark hair, big round butt, and in this super tight dress she had to keep pulling down in the back to keep her cheeks from being seen as she walked. Man! Now the one thing I told myself when I walked up in there was whatever you do, don't you go for one of these tutes too soon! Not that I would have buyer's remorse, but I knew that the ranks of the tutes was going to swell later in the evening (and they did) and I just might see somebody I liked better. Hold out!

I made a mental note about the morena clara in the tight pink dress. Somebody who I would look for later, and if she was still available, then I was probably going to take her in order to go make a baby hehehe! The thing is, I knew I was taking a risk. The girl was so pretty, that I knew damn well that somebody else might snap her up. But I was determined not to act too soon. Well, that only lasted for about an hour of being at the club haha! You see, I saw one of my weaknesses. A "ruvia" or a redhead! Blondes, brunettes, morenas they're all a dime a dozen. But a good redhead is hard to find, and that's what I told her too! This girl, who said her name was Aline, was wearing some kind of jump suit thingy with her milk white jugs very exposed. Her face I found to be very attractive with a cute and dimpled smile. The hair was long and red and pretty and the eyes green. Is she Brazilian or Irish or what? Aline was Brazilian all the way, and described herself as being a 24-year-old "gaucha" from Rio do Sul. She said she liked meat ha! I guess that was to go along with that meaty, wiggly, jiggle bunda of hers! Like I say, in Brazil even the white girls got back!

Aline and I had a drink and some nice conversation. She did not speak English, but once again Google Translate (and some Spanish) came to the rescue. We started working on the deal, and from the start she was at 800 reals for the hour, to include kissing and CIM she said. I asked about anal (you know I did), and Aline said she did it, but would want 200 reals more to give up her "cuzinha". So, we're talking 1,000 reals plus another 200 for the room. That's $300 USA Dollars. Fuck it, let's go! Didn't do anybody last night, this branca is hot, and she's about to let me fuck her in the butt, which is what I love to do with these pretty, big booty, Brazilian white girls! The deal was done, and now we're kissing and hugging and getting intimate. And after a couple of bathroom stops, it's into the elevator and up to the hotel level. More kissing and groping and holding hands. I'm squeezing on Aline's big booty and digging some fingers into her deep, deep, deep ass crack! Yes!

We get up there and settle up with all of the money, and we're in a nice room with a shower, toilet area and so on. Aline's clothes come off and damn! Her body is fucking banging! The clothes she was wearing just did not do her justice! So far so good! We take a shower together. Kissing and groping and sucking on pink nipple tits. Aline is "washing" (more like stroking) my dick which is at full attention. Finish, dry off, and onto the bed! Aline is aggressive with her cock sucking skills, which I like, but a little too "toothy". In between sucking she slaps my dick around in her pretty face. We do some 69 and I eat out her clean and sweet tasting womanhood. I like 69 because it allows me to admire the "culito" I will be enjoying later, and sometimes I like to munch on that ass! Then it's like Aline is more eager to fuck than I am! She gets the condom onto my dick, puts a little lube onto her pink coothchie lips, then does something I just love. Before full penetration, she seems to enjoy teasing herself. Rubbing the head of my dick all around and massaging it into her pussy lips. Likes she's teasing the both of us. Then Aline finally decides to sink down cowgirl style. Hell, she said she was a "gaucha" right LOL! Next she does another thing I love as she lowers herself onto me! Rolls her eyeballs all the way back into her fucking head where I can see only the white of her eyes, throws her hair back, and moans. Fuck yes!

Now we're fucking hard and both getting off on what's going down. Aline reaches out for me to take her both of her hands. She wants to hold hands while we make love, and so do I! She's going higher and slamming down harder! Occasionally she leans over so that we can kiss. We switch into some doggy where I give it to her hard! Slamming against her ass cheeks something hard from behind! Then into missionary for more hard fucking in that position, and with more kissing. Oh, and then OMG yes! Aline is ready to give me the sweetest treat of them all. That would be her redheaded, snow bunny anus!

Girls who do anal prefer to take it from different kinds of positions. The Cane is versatile and knows how to adapt, so I will go with most whatever position the girl is most comfortable with. Aline wanted me to penetrate her arsehole while she laid on her left side. No problem! She put a little lube on her A-hole and onto the condom, then asked me to push gently to penetrate into her anal orifice. The Cane is an expert honey. I know what to do! Gentle at first until the head was past her sphincter and inside of Aline's tender, warm anal cavity. Then the rest in rhythmically exploring along the branca Hershey Highway. Then harder and harder and harder! Until the next thing you know, I'm literally slam fucking Aline up the butt! Her head is thrown back now in pleasure and eyes closed as she frigs away at her clit! To get more leverage, I grabbed her arm up around her shoulder and started to cornhole the holy terror cowboy shit out of that tute! I was like a broken wind up toy getting up in that pooty hole! And I knew Aline was liking it too when she reached back and grabbed at me to try to pull me deeper into her to keep butt fucking her hard and rough. I was already nuts to butt deep so couldn't go any deeper! I got "base" and told her how I was fucking her in the ass something fierce (like she didn't know that already), and how much I liked having anal sex with brancas! I enjoyed hearing the violent smack, smack, smacks of my groin against Alines's plum, round, alabaster butt cheeks, before I could take no more and "released" into her anal canal!

We were both spent now. Butt fucked out! Aline looked back at me with a smile. We both lay there breathing heavy with my dick still stuffed up in her butt hole! Slowly growing soft, until it slipped gently out of Aline's bum. She reached back and held onto the base of the condom to make sure it did not slip off and and allow any fluids into her body, and then expertly removed the condom from my dong. And so far, no bad "incidents" ass fucking these brancas either. No foul odors or visible poo on my dick, which is par for the course in Brazil. Makes me believe that most providers who cornhole must do something to prepare themselves to do the deed. We got washed up. More kissing and hugging. Aline asked me if I wanted to get something from the restaurant, and indeed I did. I had not had dinner yet, and was down for a little something. I had some sushi and Aline had parmigiana carne. After all, a gaucha has to have her meat! It was during this time that I learned that Aline was one of 4 girls in her family, and that she had come to Sao Paulo to work at Scandallo for just a couple of weeks to earn some money. Said she had a room at the hotel she shared with another girl at 250 reals a week each. I asked her what she was going to do when she went back to Rio do Sul. She said she had a boyfriend there. Now if I had known that when I was digging out her asshole, then I would have been even more turned on hahaha! I like to take other guy's girlfriends and wives in the ass LOL, and most of the time the guys know it's happening too! It's like they're cuckolds or something and can't stop other men from fucking their girls in the butt. Or, maybe some are even pimps. Who knows? All I know is that I plundered your girlfriend's booty hole dude, and it was good! I liked it, she she liked it too LOL!

We finished our meals, and Aline asked if I would be interested in her joining me at my hotel overnight. I suppose my room is probably better than what she has at Scandallo. Told her that I planned to stay at the club for a good while more, so that would not work, and that I understood that she still needed to work to make money, so no problem if she wanted to leave. With that, Aline said that she was actually done with working for the night, and was going to "go home". We had already exchanged contact information. A light kiss on the lips and a few final pleasantries, and she was gone. Sent her a message later thanking her for good time. Aline replied likewise, and said I was good company. I hung out in the disco for most of the rest of the night, with hot girls just standing and walking all over the place. Smiling and making eyes. Saw a gorgeous, really young, fresh looking redhead! She smiled throughout the night and said something to me at one point. But I had just had a redhead! Needed something different. That morena in the pink prostitute get up! Yep! There she is totally occupied with another guy! Knew I was going to lose her if I waited! But I had to have that branca's redhead anus first! Damn! No matter, I'll be back. And so will she. I know she will And the next time she's having my baby! Two tutes tried to hustle me. A blonde and brunette team. Asked for a "propina" just for having had a conversation. Get the fuck out of town! No! They took "no" well and left.

I think I finally decide to leave myself at what? Maybe around 1 something in the morning? I didn't go with anybody else, but there were so, so many choices! I was looking for another morena like the one I lost a chance with due to going for anal sex with the snow bunny redhead first. But I didn't see anybody else who "touched" me in the same way that the morena clara in the tight pink dress barely covering her bunda did. Upon leaving, I settled up my final bill. For all of my drinks, drinks and dinner with Aline, the remaining total was 725 reals. I paid. Took a taxi back to the hotel. Rested up and got some sleep to re-energize for the next day. I need a morena clara now to have my baby ha!

I initially reported that she does CIM, but she does not. She does BBBJs, but no CIM. At least with me she didn't. Her technique is too "toothy" for me anyway, and I could not have reached CIM climax with her. Aline's anal service was high-quality though! You can believe that coming directly from an "anal connoisseur". She's not likely to be around too much longer though. Make some money and split!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2370311]I walked around to re-familiarize myself with the place, remembering past and pleasant times. Most people were hanging out back in the large open-air space. It's very nice back there, but it was also really hot. Things cooled down later into the evening though, making that area a nice place to go if one wanted a little break from the louder action going on inside. I would say that at the time of my early arrival there were already easily 50 girls available. Their numbers would grow to a staggering at least 200 by midnight! That's right. Not 150, but I'm estimating more like 200 my brothers! In all shapes and sizes too! I won't say in all colors because I saw only 2 negras and 2 Asian girls. Most of these Scandallo tutes were an even mix of brancas and morenas, which is exactly what I like! And I'm talking solid 8's and 9's everywhere, with a 10 sprinkled in here and there. Oh my goodness will you please look at the "donk" on that one! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]The Cane, no mulattas that night? I've been with some stunning mulattas in Brazil.

May I ask were Aline's breasts natural or augmented? Not sure you mentioned it. One of the naturally, bustiest girls I have been with was a fair, freckled skinned brunette from Rio Grande do Sul. She had some Scottish blood. Go figure.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2370397]The Cane, no mulattas that night? I've been with some stunning mulattas in Brazil. May I ask were Aline's breasts natural or augmented? Not sure you mentioned it. One of the naturally, bustiest girls I have been with was a fair, freckled skinned brunette from Rio Grande do Sul. She had some Scottish blood. Go figure.[/QUOTE]Now that you mention it, yes there were some mulattas there. As a matter of fact, the first girl to approach me was a mulatta. There were probably more than I realized since my personal radar is set to hone in on the brancas and morenas LOL! Aline's bust was all natural. Maybe a see-cup? Not huge but not small either. Very nice with beautiful pink nipples hehehe! I did not ask of what stock she was. Being from the south of Brazil, I know that there are a lot of Italians down there. But who knows. Like many of us have noted before, Brazil is such a diverse country.

Thanks for the spectacular report out Cane. Not many people bother to bring the full detailed experience to life and you did with aplomb. Great stuff.

And glad to see the alignment on venue. There is no more spectacular place worldwide to spend an evening. Plus I am almost exclusively an Asians and Latinas guy and the sheer quantity of "my type" is staggering. Just the best!

And pro-tip refresher for newbies: Go up to the front right where the band plays. You can stand on the little platform step there and 80% of the girls will cycle by like a sushi carousel. It’s possible to overlook a back wall wallflower, so u might have to explore there as well. But u can see most girls without lifting a finger this way.

Is it only me that's allergic to illeism, the act of referring to oneself in the third person?

[QUOTE=Sperto;2370418]Is it only me that's allergic to illeism, the act of referring to oneself in the third person?[/QUOTE]Yes, it's only you. Ha!

Sticking with my plan to alternate between something old and something new, I decided to hit the Bahamas Hotel Club next. This is another place I had not been to that I found out about by reading the reports of others. The address is Rua dos Chanes, 571, which happens to be nearly identical to the address for Chanes 57 (Rua dos Chanes, 57). In fact, what the taxi driver did was take me to Chanes 57, even though I had clearly shown him the correct address for the Bahamas Hotel Club with the name of the club written on the piece of paper I gave him. He turned his cab around and took me back down to the other end of the street where I wanted to go. I said I would not return to Chanses 57, and I meant it ha!

There was a nice older lady working reception at Bahamas who was helpful and ready to explain everything. She spoke Spanish, so that helped a lot. There were three options for gaining entrance to the club. Option 1 was to pay a basic entrada fee of 150 reals. Or, per option number 2, with a consumo fee of 150 reals, the entrance fee came down to about 100 reals. Option number 3, I didn't quite understand or get everything that she was telling me. But what I could make of it, if you paid some super consumo fee of like 500 reals, that entitled you to access to a lot more house services, but exactly what I wasn't really sure of. If anybody else reading has been to this club, then maybe you can clarify. Anyway, I went with option 2. The lady explained further that the on-premises hotel charged 65 reals per hour for a room (I did not session so cannot comment on what the rooms are like). Also did not get into any "negotiations" with any of the girls regarding their price for the pussy.

Upon entering the main area of the club, I was a little surprised by how small it was. I expected it to be a lot larger based on what I had seen on the internet. A girl did tell me that there was a downstairs area with hot and dry saunas, plus the girls' locker room facility. I ordered a drink and took a seat. I would say there was in the neighborhood of 30 or so girls on a Friday night, but not that many clients. I got there around 9:30 in the evening, and was told things would pick up later. Most of the girls were mulattas (would make WyattEarp happy) and morenas with a smattering of negras and brancas. I did not see any Asian girls. Using my personal preference scale, I rate the optics of the talent in the 6 to 7 range. That would put Bahamas Hotel Club above Chanes 57, but below The Connection Nightclub (which ranks below the Big Three boites of Scandallo, Bomboa, and Cafe Photo in re optics).

I was approached by several tutes of different colors, and to be honest, I was not too taken with what I was seeing. Most of the brancas were the "spinner" types with smaller, flatter behinds. Sometimes I'm in the mood for that, but not normally, and especially not in Brazil where I travel to in order to get with girls with some big "boo boo"? Do you know what I mean? LOL! Too many of the other girls were either too heavy, or had bad teeth, or facially just did not appeal to me. Don't get me wrong though. There were some cute ones there, like this one mulatta with a beautiful smile and sparkling green eyes who offered to show me around.

I hung around for a couple of hours to see if anything I had to have was going to show up. Downed one more drink. Ordered a little dinner. Was hoping "my baby's momma" was going show up, but she did not. I finally decided to call it a early night and left around 11:30 pm to return to my hotel. Would I go to the Bahamas Hotel Club again? Well, it depends. If my schedule was tight, then my answer would be no. It would have to be cut out of the rotation. I would choose to give Casarao another go instead, which I will be skipping during this particular trip. But if I had more time on my hands, then yes I would stop in on Bahamas and give it another look. I think the place has some real potential "doables", especially if you're into the mulattas and morenas.

Next stop? Something tried and true! So stay tuned!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2370400]Now that you mention it, yes there were some mulattas there. As a matter of fact, the first girl to approach me was a mulatta.[/QUOTE]The Cane, I hope you and others aren't offended by the word mulatta. The Brazilian escorts I have seen used this term themselves in their social media.

I know the term might be losing favor in Brazil. I've met a few dark-complected program girls (actually darker than the self-proclaimed mulattas) who sharply told me they weren't mulatta, but rather Brasileira.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2370418]Is it only me that's allergic to illeism, the act of referring to oneself in the third person?[/QUOTE]WyattEarp doesn't care for illeism.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2369654]Great report TheCane. I am guessing we tourist types are being slapped with about 200 BR tourist tax by these girls at high-end boates. Unfortunately our visits are short and have to make the best of it. Sometimes when you see something good you have to put the bid in.[/QUOTE]When I was in scandallo, I invited a few girls that I like to sit chat and drink with me, and also got their contacts. Since I was currently with a girl in the club, I told them I will contact them the next day. One girl from Curitiba offered me 1500 for 4 hours + her other friend for 800 for 4 hours. So I kinda hit the jackpot. Another girl I contacted gave me a price of 1200 for 4 hours, before she starts work in the club. Too bad there was some communication problem as she did not know I was trying to tell her don't go to scandallo so early and spent time with me before going.

These were also without negotiations. And I did not see a need to negotiate lower. Also I don't speak much Portuguese, and people know I'm a foreigner.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2370615]WyattEarp doesn't care for illeism.[/QUOTE]Funny but nobody expressed any "allergies" to "illeism" when Cartmann did it. And he used to all the time. What ever happened to him anyway? Not important. As to the "mulatta" thing, I suppose it's all cultural. Wouldn't go over well in the States, but throughout Latin America people use race / color and physical characteristics like "gordo" (fat) to describe and interact directly face-to-face with other people all the time. When in Rome do as the Romans do if you're comfortable enough I guess.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2370615]WyattEarp doesn't care for illeism.[/QUOTE]Neither does Turgid but Turgid does like the report in which it was located.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2370637]Funny but nobody expressed any "allergies" to "illeism" when Cartmann did it. And he used to all the time.[/QUOTE]I believe I once joked with Cartmann when he was referencing himself in third person.

Just got back from Europe and had a great time in Germany / but can't get Brazil off my mind. I prefer South American women and have loved every second of Colombia. It's time for Brazil! Thinking of flying into SP and hitting Scandallo on a Thursday night is top priority. Curious as if weekend nights are just as good there or if there are other spots to hit in Friday and Saturdays that are comparable.

Considering a Rio trip in between. But reviews seem to be mixed. Is it worth it to leave SP to explore the Rio scene or would I be leaving the best venues for a lesser experience? I'm Leaning towards flying in on a Wednesday and leaving Sunday just to spend in SP. But may stay a week if a Rio trip is warranted given its proximity.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2371139]Just got back from Europe and had a great time in Germany / but can't get Brazil off my mind. I prefer South American women and have loved every second of Colombia. It's time for Brazil! Thinking of flying into SP and hitting Scandallo on a Thursday night is top priority. Curious as if weekend nights are just as good there or if there are other spots to hit in Friday and Saturdays that are comparable.

Considering a Rio trip in between. But reviews seem to be mixed. Is it worth it to leave SP to explore the Rio scene or would I be leaving the best venues for a lesser experience? I'm Leaning towards flying in on a Wednesday and leaving Sunday just to spend in SP. But may stay a week if a Rio trip is warranted given its proximity.[/QUOTE]ThadMax. Welcome back to heaven. I can't believe they flamed you in the Globe thread for just speaking the truth! Geez. Well you were spot on. As to your questions there is a big drop off Saturday. Friday seemed fine and Thursday best.

Although I have not been to Rio virtually every time the subject comes up folks say stay in SP. BTW while not Scandallo, I enjoyed Bomboa. And for Clinica I found Abbobora to be suitably high end.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2371162]ThadMax. Welcome back to heaven. I can't believe they flamed you in the Globe thread for just speaking the truth! Geez. Well you were spot on. As to your questions there is a big drop off Saturday. Friday seemed fine and Thursday best.

Although I have not been to Rio virtually every time the subject comes up folks say stay in SP. BTW while not Scandallo, I enjoyed Bomboa. And for Clinica I found Abbobora to be suitably high end.[/QUOTE]I will be going to Rio this trip, so I will share my experiences there (trying to line up a porn star). Was at Bomboa last Saturday and report will be filed by tomorrow. Have not hit Abbobora yet but hope to before this thing is done!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2371162]ThadMax. Welcome back to heaven. I can't believe they flamed you in the Globe thread for just speaking the truth! Geez. Well you were spot on. As to your questions there is a big drop off Saturday. Friday seemed fine and Thursday best.

Although I have not been to Rio virtually every time the subject comes up folks say stay in SP. BTW while not Scandallo, I enjoyed Bomboa. And for Clinica I found Abbobora to be suitably high end.[/QUOTE]Honestly I do not understand why Abbobora gets so much love on this site. Is got great facilities but its more expensive and the lineup is not better than Moema Prime, or Enjoy which are sufficiently close that I would recommend visiting all three. Don; t make the mistake of judging a place's lineup quality based on one or two visits, I see these lineups month in month out and they all have some lookers, so much turnover and girls attending other clients that unless you visit a place every day for a week you will not know the lineup thoroughly. I have personally not seen anyone in Abbobora that I felt was worth the premium over similar quality in Enjoy or Prime. And at least 5 mongers that visit regularly routinely go to all those three places when in Moema.

My fellow mongers,

Do you know that feeling when you've experienced something in life, and you absolutely understand that "it doesn't get any better than this"? You just know it doesn't get any better, and you could never be more satisfied! Now, when it comes to my sexual liaisons, the Brazilian girls keep taking all of the very top honors, no matter where I find them. I have mentioned a few times that the very best BBBJ / CIM service I have ever had in my entire life was received at Club Globe in Zurich from a Brazilian morena clara. She sucked my dick so damn good she had a monger's legs pure tee levitating up off of the bed LOL! She knew she was good too. That's why she asked me before she got started if I was ready to go to Heaven. The best anal sex in my entire life was had from a blonde Brazilian branca who worked at L'uomo in Rio de Janeiro when that terma was still a going concern. She approached me, sat down beside me, looked me dead in the eye, leaned over to show me her butt, and coolly said in English, "I like to get fucked in my asch. I want you to fuck me in my asch". And wow boy did she mean it when she said she like to get fucked in her branca "asch"! That's how she pronounced it. Her "asch".

Well, I'm here to tell you that starting on Saturday, September 14,2019 in Sao Paulo, Brazil, I had the absolute best GFE sex I have ever had anywhere at any time in my entire life! I already know that I'm not going to be able to do justice to what happened. I can't convey with the written word what went down and just how stupendous it was. You would have had to been there to believe it ha! I don't even know where to start. I guess why not from the beginning? I arrived at Bomboa at 8 in the evening on a Saturday. The price of admission was 250 reals, all in the form of a consumption fee. The reception attendant explained that the rate at the love hotel was 190 reals per hour. If I wanted to leave with a girl to go to my own hotel, then the bar fine would be 150 reals. What to pay directly to the girl would have to be negotiated between me and her. I took a seat on one of the comfortable couches near the back facing the band, which was already on stage performing popular, standard covers. I had not eaten yet, so I decided to order dinner, enjoy the band, and check out the talent. I became extremely annoyed as it took these guys 30 minutes to take one order! First, they didn't have this. Then they didn't have that. Then oh sorry they brought me the wrong menu! Then no more of this and that! I finally asked, "Look what do you have then"? Got it all sorted out, and placed my order. Geez! The night is not starting out good I thought.

I enjoyed a drink and scoped around while waiting for my meal to be brought out. And to be honest, I was a little disappointed in the optics level of what I was seeing. Although Bomboa is a much smaller club than Scandallo with far fewer girls on the stroll, I had always been impressed with the high concentration of 8's and 9's there. This time I wasn't seeing any. Among the 20 or so girls there at my arrival, it was mostly 7's and some 6's. I chalked it up to it still being early, and I hoped and prayed that better talent would show up later into the night. Had my dinner, which was kind of mediocre and not up to the Bomboa standards that I remembered. It was 9 at night now, and things had picked up, but not that much. And then it's 10 pm and still it's not looking good! I'm thinking what am I going to do? Is Bomboa, which had been my second favorite club in Sao Paulo, going to turn out to be a dud and suck? There could not have been more than 10 clients in there on a Saturday night, and now maybe about 35 or so girls sitting around, most of them unoccupied and looking quite bored. And definitely not what I was looking for either. One mulatta sat near me and said something. I wasn't into her, and just said I did not speak Portuguese, and she left me alone LOL! I made eye contact with another girl standing way on the other end of the floor. She came and stood nearby to give me a better look. I didn't like her face, so decided to pass. I then decided to go sit at the bar for a few just to get a different angle and check out some girls it was difficult for me to size up from where I was sitting. I have a seat at the bar, and that same last girl I decided not to go with comes and sits down right next to me! Dang it! Now I have to deal with getting rid of her! I was pleasant, and we had a nice conversation. After a few minutes, partially because it was true and partially because I wanted to dump her, I told the girl I wanted to go back to the couches that were more comfortable. So, what does she do? She follows me there! I finally had to get blunt with her and say that I wanted to consider other girls. She took it well, gave her a peck on the cheek, and she was gone.

It's around 10:30 now and things are really tanking! I'm not seeing anybody, and the atmosphere in the club is feeling more like "girls' night out", with a band playing old covers, than like guys and gals meeting and greeting and hooking up to have sex! At this point, I'm thinking that maybe I should leave. Go back to Scandallo! That's the ticket! But you know, I'm a disciplined monger. I come up with a plan, and I stick with it. I'm not the kind of guy to run around all over town from this club to that one in the same night. I pick a target for the day / evening, and I work it until the bitter end. If it works out, great. And if not, then I chalk one up in the loss column and head back to the hotel, ready to try again the next time. I find that this approach saves me money and allows to remain within budget. And, during particularly long trips, it helps me to conserve my energy. Both are important for having an overall successful mongering trip. So, I decided to stay. The next thing I know, a spinner-type branca with an unattractive face is sitting next to me. A 6 and totally not my type, but you know what? Well, at least she's some company. Maybe I'm not fucking tonight, but let's have some conversation. So, we do, and she's pleasant enough. I offer her a drink, but I'm not fucking her LOL! She turns down the drink saying she doesn't do alcohol. Fine with me, as that keeps more money in my pockets. So, it's maybe about 11:00 now and who walks in but. My baby's momma! Yeah!

Why does it so often happen this way? You're sitting with somebody who you know you absolute won't go with, and in walks the girl of your dreams! Actually, there were two of them hanging out side-by-side. Wherever one went, so did the other it seemed. They looked so much alike that I thought they could have been sisters, with the one I liked the most being about half a point higher at an 8 than the other one, who I gave 7.5. They came and stood nearby, and it was the 7.5 who caught me looking, and she started to give me the eye back. But it was the other one who I wanted. The branca asked me if she could have some ice cream for 50 reals off of my consumo. I'm thinking yeah whatever, if it gets you to leave LOL! I finally got blunt with her too and said I wanted to talk to some other girls. No problem! Peck on the cheek, and she leaves. By this time, the two I had zoomed in on had separated, with the 7. 5 still standing there giving me the eye, and the little bit cuter one having moved to a couch to talk to friends. I got up to go to the loo, and on the way back I stopped at the couch where the one I wanted was sitting, smiled and playfully pointed at her from among the ones in the group. She smiled and got up and followed me back to my couch. Yes!

The girl introduced herself as Ana Paula, and indeed, the other one was in fact her sister! I wondered how she would react if I had said I wanted to fuck both of them at the same time? Hahaha! Never mind! Ana Paula was absolutely beautiful in every way, and exactly what I was looking for! A morena clara with long, pretty, jet-black hair, big fake eyelashes, a beautiful face and smile, some nice sized tits, those child-bearing hips, and a plump, round, tanned bubble butt! These are the kind of Brazilian girls that I like having fantasy GFE sex with. I will fantasize that they are my wife or girlfriend, and that we are making love, not just fucking. What impressed me about Ana Paula was not only her beauty, but also her intelligence. She said that she had earned her degree in Psychology, and that she was currently doing post-graduate study. Said she works part-time in a clinic while she studies, but also works some nights at Bomboa to earn additional money. I also liked the fact that Ana Paula was well-traveled, having spent time in Europe. She said that so far Italy had been her favorite overseas destination. She asked me where my favorite travel destination was. I answered Brazil hehehe!

The night had started out bad. To the point that I considered leaving early. But now I was sitting with my arm around who I had to have. My baby's momma! I told Ana Paula that I wanted to love her that night. I wasn't talking about animalistic rutting. Nor was I talking about perverted butt fucking! No, I wanted to make love to this girl! Ana Paula said she wanted to feel me inside of her body. We agreed upon at least two hours, and that we would stay at the club hotel versus go back to mine. I asked how much she wanted, and Ana Paula's reply was how much did I want to pay? Thought about it, and offered her 600 reals per hour. OK, no problem! So, we leave for the hotel and get everything squared away with the receptionist. The room is nice (but not as nice as at Scandallo or Cafe Photo), and we take separate showers. Ana Paula's clothes come off, and her bunda is even better than I could have imagined! Oh my God girl! You were hiding all of that inside of those ripped jeans? Jesus! We're both naked and on the bed now, and the most passionate GFE sex of my life is about to begin! Sadly, it was better than with even any "real" girlfriend LOL! We're sucking face and groping. And then after a while the verbal exchanges begin. I told Ana Paula that I loved her. Ana Paula replies that she loves me so much and that I was driving her crazy hehehe! She then begins to worship me literally from head to toe, starting with my face and working her way down. She seems to particularly enjoy sucking and kissing on my sex, which I like too. Then she's kissing and licking all along my thighs. Then finally to my "pau" with a lot of kissing and sucking on them nuts! She had this way out lewdly popping my dick and scrotum out of her mouth like a tasty lollipop or candies that was just driving me insane! I thought I was about to jizz and told Ana Paula so. She said she didn't want me to spew in her mouth. I wasn't really ready to cum yet anyway. Way too soon! Next she's kissing and licking all along my shins and lower legs. Then wait! Wait! Is she? She's now worshiping my feet now! Kissing and licking and sucking my toes and the soles of my feet! Feels so good!

I knew that I needed to show Ana Paula some love too. If I told her I loved her, then I needed to show her like she was showing me. I had her lay on her back and started to love her down how she had done me. Starting with her attractive morena clara face, then working down to her big tits. Her nipples stiffened! Then kissing all along her tummy and around the belly button down to her "buceta". I munched the pussy lips and sucked on the pussy mound real good! Ana Paula had her head thrown back in rapture and was clutching away at her breasts! I flicked away at her excited clitoris causing her to spasm here and there. She had this absolutely precious look on her face. Like with her tongue sticking out and licking all around her lips like "delicioso, delicioso"! She wasn't actually uttering those words, but with that expression on her face and the way she was working her tongue out and around her mouth, you knew that's what she was thinking. I worked further down along her thighs and the shins of her legs as Ana Paula had done for me. But whereas she had worshiped at my feet. I was going to do her one better. I was going to worship at my love's big ass. I had Ana Paula roll over so that I could get my mouth and tongue in between her plump, tanned ass cheeks. I started at the cleft of her round Brazilian buttocks and worked down into her deep, deep, deep butt crack with loud slurping sounds, stopping to linger my tongue in her asshole! Ana Paula's response? "Oh, I like that so much! I like that so, so much"! I spent several minutes eating out my "lover's" beautiful plump ass, burying my face, nose, mouth, and tongue into her anus. I asked Ana Paula if she liked anal sex. She said she had never done it. WTF? With such a beautiful "see you" like this, and you have never had anal sex I said? I spread her butt cheeks wide to inspect her anal orifice. Slapped away at her big, bouncy bunda which she also liked, and buried my whole head into her flashy "pillows" some more hahaha! Then next I did something I like to do. I laid on Ana Paula's back with my stiff dick buried in between her butt cheeks like a bratwurst sausage in a bun and started to grind. Felt so damn good that I thought I was about to cum right then and there! I stopped because I didn't want to cum that way. I needed to "seed" this girl's pussy!

About an hour had passed, my dick was still rock hard for this girl, and we had yet to fuck! We did some more hugging and kissing and groping and confessing our love for one another. Then Ana Paula requested that I move close to the edge of the bed, which was not too far up off of the floor actually. I wasn't sure what she was asking me to do, so she showed me. I laid near the edge, and then she knelt down onto the floor next to me with her round ass sticking back and her mouth greedily devouring my dick! Shit! Several minutes of her loud, lewd, and greedy sucking and slurping on my boner passed, and finally we both know the magic moment had arrived. Time to fuck! I reach for and break open one of my condoms, and Ana Paula expertly sucks it onto my dick, and more of her voracious sucking before mounting me "gaucha" style. It's slow and rhythmic and grinding up and down at first. Then harder, and harder and harder! Ana Paula leans over and lays on top of me so that we can fully embrace and kiss, licking and sucking on each other's lips. I tell her how in love I am with her, and say some stupid shit about how we will leave Brazil together and return to the States to be married lovers forever LOLOLOL! Then Ana Paula is back up in the full gaucha position and is really giving it to me now! She reaches out wanting me to take both of her hands in loving clasp. Her face is all contorted, and she's making those "delicioso, delicioso" motions with her tongue out again, and all kinds of funny noises too! Then comes kind of a squeal and a grunt and a shouting out, and I don't know how to really describe these noises of sexual pleasure she's making! Then next all of a sudden comes like a scream and she shudders at clasps my hands tight! Her head is down now and her pretty hair all in her face. I asked her, "Gozaste"? Did you cum? Her answer? Yes!

Ana Paula stayed in the gaucha position for a few more seconds before climbing off and lying next to me. She apologized for having cum! I'm thinking is she kidding me! This pretty, intelligent, educated, and traveled Brazilian girl is a vixen! A total sex kitten! This is what I've been talking about! This is who I have been looking for to make total love! This girl just threw down in the room! And she's apologizing to me? Who are we kidding here? Geez! I told Ana Paula that there was zero reason for her to apologize, and that it was just my turn is all. My dick had been rock hard the entire time, and it was still firm and erect and ready to shoot! Time for The Cane to get his rocks off too honey! We laid there for a few more minutes to allow Ana Paula to catch her breath, then I mounted her missionary-style to have my orgasm too. No way was this girl about to "use" me just so she could "nut" hahahaha! I'm the paying client here! I started out with just a little teasing. Inserting only the head, then withdrawing. Did this a few times before plunging into Ana Paula's moistness nuts deep. More hugging and kissing and proclaiming our undying love for one another. Did not take long before I dumped a big load! I pulled out with both of us being careful to make sure the condom didn't fall of. After all, we didn't really want to make a love baby! At least not yet hahaha! But wait! Ana Paula wasn't finished yet! She asked me if I wanted a massage, and of course my answer was yes. This time she started at my feet (almost better than sex itself), and slowly worked her way up to my back. And I mean that girl put in work too! The massage was just outstanding!

When we were finally done, Ana got washed up. I said I would be having my shower back at my own hotel. And then I did something I rarely ever decide to do. I told Ana Paula that I was going to tip her. Now, ordinarily that's something I don't believe in doing. Most times I don't believe the girls deserve it. And it's usually the ones who suck the most at their job who start hitting you up for "propinas". Ana Paula hadn't asked for anything but what we had agreed to. But I knew this girl had earned this money. Every last bit of it! She had clearly performed above and beyond anything I could have imagined, and turned a seemingly disastrous night into one of my "best evers". Instead of the 600 per hour we had agreed to, I gave her 800 per hour plus some money for a taxi home. She earned every last bit of that cash, and I'm not ashamed! Recognize value delivered when you receive it, and be ready to pay for it! Ana Paula and I exchanged contact information, and we have been in contact each day ever since, including that same early morning when we were both back at our home bases. I told her what a beautiful and intelligent and sexy woman she was. She told me that I was also beautiful and strong and that she enjoyed being with me. She said that she wanted up to keep talking, and the fact that our countries may be thousands of miles away was no reason for why we should not keep talking to one another and have an ongoing relationship. I agreed.

Bomboa. Ana Paula. Young, smart, pretty, morena clara. If I ever did marry, I would want the woman to be like Ana Paula of Bomboa in Sao Paulo, Brazil. The best fantasy GFE sex I have ever had the pleasure of enjoying in my entire life. Really! Ana Paula comes super, highly recommended from me. But of course, YMMV. The same girl who rocked my world might not put out the same way for another monger, and vice versa. All I know is that September 14, 2019 turned out to be one of the luckiest nights of my sexual life ever! And wouldn't you know that it would just have to be a Brazilian girl to make it happen?

Gents,

Long time coming, finally made it to SP. Thanks to all who helped me with tips on where to go and where to stay. I zeroed in on Indianapolis / Moema (depending on what map you look at!) and didn't have to go elsewhere because of abundance of options withing walking distance. Although the weather sucked a couple days and hit a national holiday, still managed to sample 3-4 clinicas. I had best looking girl in Aboborra. I ended up there because Miruna wasn't yet open. Although a little steeper pricing structure, the facilities and line up was solid. Due to lack of my Portuguese and general listening comprehension issues haha, after the second girl, I had no idea what the names of the rest 7-8 girls were. Mamasan helped with showing some pictures when I couldn't recall the name of brunette clad in PVC pants with that Brazilian bunda on full display -loved her slim curvy figure, not a big fan of bolt ONS but here overall package was great. I ended up seeing here on another occasion.

The next best session I had was at Prime. Not only in prime location, walking distance from my Airbnb, low key, helpful mama san and great line up. If I recall they recently raised their prices but still lower than Aboborra. I went with MILFY looking named 'Luma' and another time with a GND looking moonlighting on the weekends. Total GFE and no upsell. I love these places -totally worth the time and money. They also had awesome line up and literally hard to decide between the talent.

To get out of the neighborhood just to sample what the scene is like, ended up at clinica walking distance from Sao Judas metro station. The area is not upscale but safe and they also had a solid line up. Went with a 30 something tall with lovely big curly hair. Totally into the session and no upsell. The facilities at this place were not up to par with Moema ones but the line up and pricing made it worth the trip. It also taught me how to use the SP metro!

I'd definitely go back if I can, hopefully when it is summer in Brazil. I didn't go to any places that don't start operating until midnight! I get up at 6:30-7 AM and need my sleep.

If anyone interested in the Moema airbnb I stayed in please PM me. Solid place with half the price of the hotel with all the amenities of a hotel and walking distance to all the clinicas in the area and metro.

Cheers,

Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2371188]Honestly I do not understand why Abbobora gets so much love on this site. Is got great facilities but its more expensive and the lineup is not better than Moema Prime, or Enjoy which are sufficiently close that I would recommend visiting all three. Don; t make the mistake of judging a place's lineup quality based on one or two visits, I see these lineups month in month out and they all have some lookers, so much turnover and girls attending other clients that unless you visit a place every day for a week you will not know the lineup thoroughly. I have personally not seen anyone in Abbobora that I felt was worth the premium over similar quality in Enjoy or Prime. And at least 5 mongers that visit regularly routinely go to all those three places when in Moema.[/QUOTE]Please don't take my endorsement of Abbobora as in any way dissing the other two. My impression is that the three are the trifecta of higher end clinicas. I was only able to pick one (I am primarily a Boate man) and chose A with E and P being close contenders. I am sure they are very fine or even better on a given day.

Sometimes the site software changes what is written into something unintelligible. Like the Portuguese word for "ass", which is similar to the Spanish word "culo", but without the "lo" on the end. The software changed that in my Bomboa post to "see you". Geez. Got to remember that it does that next time. Also, somehow "kissing and sucking on my chest" came out as "kissing and sucking on my sex". Although, that could have just been me making a slip up though. I try to catch all the mistakes, but don't always succeed. Anyway, would I go back to Bomboa again? Hell yes! Overall it wasn't as good as in the past, including the service from the wait staff, but it only takes one girl to make a visit to any one place worthwhile, and meeting and sexing Ana Paula was like smacking a grand slam home run right out of the ballpark to win the game in the bottom of the ninth!

Speaking of the wait staff, just before I left the club, the really good English-speaking member of the staff followed me into the bathroom. He asked me if I thought Ana Paula was hot. I said yes she's hot. I asked if he agreed, but he said only my opinion mattered. Then the guy asks if I would consider giving him a tip. Now, I know these guys are not supposed to be taking tips from the clients. That's my understanding, and I had never been asked for one before. Somebody here once wrote that they tried to tip somebody out on the open floor, and the staff member politely declined saying they could not take tips. This has to be why the guy followed me into the men's room. I thought about it, and he had been helpful on this and other occasions. But, he had also been a part of the screw-up on my dinner order. I gave him a 20 reals note, and that's it. He expressed gratitude.

[QUOTE=Frankfurt;2371434]Gents,

Long time coming, finally made it to SP. Thanks to all who helped me with tips on where to go and where to stay. I zeroed in on Indianapolis / Moema (depending on what map you look at!) and didn't have to go elsewhere because of abundance of options withing walking distance. Although the weather sucked a couple days and hit a national holiday, still managed to sample 3-4 clinicas. I had best looking girl in Aboborra. I ended up there because Miruna wasn't yet open. Although a little steeper pricing structure, the facilities and line up was solid. Due to lack of my Portuguese and general listening comprehension issues haha, after the second girl, I had no idea what the names of the rest 7-8 girls were. Mamasan helped with showing some pictures when I couldn't recall the name of brunette clad in PVC pants with that Brazilian bunda on full display -loved her slim curvy figure, not a big fan of bolt ONS but here overall package was great. I ended up seeing here on another occasion..[/QUOTE]Thank you for this great report. Sounds like you had a great time! Curious: did you find 3 days to be enough or did you want to stay longer? Also, did you decide not to go to Scandallo?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2371167]I will be going to Rio this trip, so I will share my experiences there (trying to line up a porn star). Was at Bomboa last Saturday and report will be filed by tomorrow. Have not hit Abbobora yet but hope to before this thing is done![/QUOTE]Thank you! Can't wait to read in Bomboa and Rio.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2371162]ThadMax. Welcome back to heaven. I can't believe they flamed you in the Globe thread for just speaking the truth! Geez. Well you were spot on. As to your questions there is a big drop off Saturday. Friday seemed fine and Thursday best.

Although I have not been to Rio virtually every time the subject comes up folks say stay in SP. BTW while not Scandallo, I enjoyed Bomboa. And for Clinica I found Abbobora to be suitably high end.[/QUOTE]Haha I think some locals there got offended because I wasn't floored by Globe. It's like they took it personal. All good though. Clearly many others share my opinion. Not that it matters as this is all subjective of course!

Thanks for the note on Rio. Can't wait to book SP and figured might as well do Rio while I'm down there. However, I may have limited time and want to maximize! How long are your SP trips? Think 4 days is enough?

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2371139]Considering a Rio trip in between. But reviews seem to be mixed. Is it worth it to leave SP to explore the Rio scene or would I be leaving the best venues for a lesser experience? I'm Leaning towards flying in on a Wednesday and leaving Sunday just to spend in SP. But may stay a week if a Rio trip is warranted given its proximity.[/QUOTE]You should definitely consider Rio. I feel a trip to Brazil without experiencing Rio once is defeats the purpose of traveling to Brazil in the first place. Rio is very different than SP due to the Termas scene and beaches. I am only recommending you to check out the following.

1. Quatro x Quatro (aka, 4 x4).

2. Centaurus.

3. Monte Carlo.

4. Solarium, and others.

Read up in the RIO forum for other places to enjoy.

The Cane. Spectacular write up. I thought I was detailed but whoa.

You are very experienced so maybe you have done this before and don't like it. But I thought I was fully experienced till I did TRUE GFE last year. And by TRUE GFE I mean taking it outside the bedroom. Make Ana Paula your long distance girlfriend.

I did this first with Thifany last year. We hit it off like two teenagers at Fazendinha and then kept chatting for a couple weeks. Flew her to London for a week. OMFG. So much better than just in room time having this 23 year old goddess on your arm 24 x7. She's of course married now but I have a new one.

Met a girl in BA and the same mad chemistry. She's going to meet me for a week on business travel and I am beyond stoked. The whole idea of spending a week with this 21 year old goddess just gives me chills.

Yes. Having a paid girlfriend has certain complications. It's way more real than just the bedroom and there are real emotions on both sides. Someday I will cry like a baby when she moves on but right now it's the best thing on the planet.

Like I say. Maybe you've been there done that. But if you haven't you might give it a whirl. For me it's intoxicating and makes all the rest rather pale in comparison.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2371139]Considering a Rio trip in between. But reviews seem to be mixed. Is it worth it to leave SP to explore the Rio scene or would I be leaving the best venues for a lesser experience? I'm Leaning towards flying in on a Wednesday and leaving Sunday just to spend in SP. But may stay a week if a Rio trip is warranted given its proximity.[/QUOTE]If your sole purpose is mongering, stay in Sao Paulo. If you want to see Brasileiras prancing around the beach in thong bikinis and if you want to enjoy a premier tourist destination, try Rio. You can still monger with termas girls, prive girls and escorts. If you're lucky, you might also find a working girl in a bar. Sao Paulo is an urban jungle which isn't a great tourist destination.

Obviously, everyone has their own opinion on this.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2371162]ThadMax. Welcome back to heaven. I can't believe they flamed you in the Globe thread for just speaking the truth! Geez. Well you were spot on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2371545]Haha I think some locals there got offended because I wasn't floored by Globe. It's like they took it personal.[/QUOTE]I think some locals on that thread have a special deal with Globe. Like free entry or something. They just hang out on that thread constantly and if anybody says anything negative, or even a mix of positive and negative, they will flame the guy relentlessly. There were some real mongers who used to submit very detailed and useful reports, and they basically got driven off the forum by these Thread Sitters.

I've seen it happen with other FKKs too.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2371710]I think some locals on that thread have a special deal with Globe. Like free entry or something. They just hang out on that thread constantly and if anybody says anything negative, or even a mix of positive and negative, they will flame the guy relentlessly. There were some real mongers who used to submit very detailed and useful reports, and they basically got driven off the forum by these Thread Sitters. I've seen it happen with other FKKs too.[/QUOTE]Yeah, there is a group of hardcore Globe "loyalists" in that thread. They will swear up and down that the optics at Globe are better than at any FKK in Germany (they are not) and that the service is so much better than anything you will find in Germany (again not true per my experience). To them, this justifies the higher cost of mongering in Zurich. If you disagree with them, then they will become annoyed with you and make disparaging remarks. But, I think it's important for anybody considering traveling there to have a full and balanced view. I know of too many guys who have gone to Zurich with high expectations, only to have their hopes dashed (did not find it to be worth the money). No question that the optics and the service level is very, very good at Globe. But you can get the same in Germany which has so many more clubs to choose from to begin with. Oh, and us Brazil lovers know that optics and performance in Brazil is superior to Zurich at lower prices! And you can find them in all shapes, sizes, and colors in Brazil. Even with the smaller, flatter butts if you like (as my "alternative facts" photos prove). Word!

Jet69 -replied to your enquiry but your inbox is full.

Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2371188]Honestly I do not understand why Abbobora gets so much love on this site. Is got great facilities but its more expensive and the lineup is not better than Moema Prime, or Enjoy which are sufficiently close that I would recommend visiting all three. Don; t make the mistake of judging a place's lineup quality based on one or two visits, I see these lineups month in month out and they all have some lookers, so much turnover and girls attending other clients that unless you visit a place every day for a week you will not know the lineup thoroughly. I have personally not seen anyone in Abbobora that I felt was worth the premium over similar quality in Enjoy or Prime. And at least 5 mongers that visit regularly routinely go to all those three places when in Moema.[/QUOTE]Enjoy used to be my favorite clinica but in my trip last year something seemed to have gone awfully wrong there. I hope it has picked up as I will be visiting there in my November trip.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2371188]Honestly I do not understand why Abbobora gets so much love on this site. [/QUOTE]My friend, veracity is a rarity at this address.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2371628]If your sole purpose is mongering, stay in Sao Paulo. If you want to see Brasileiras prancing around the beach in thong bikinis and if you want to enjoy a premier tourist destination, try Rio. You can still monger with termas girls, prive girls and escorts. If you're lucky, you might also find a working girl in a bar. Sao Paulo is an urban jungle which isn't a great tourist destination.

Obviously, everyone has their own opinion on this.[/QUOTE]This mirrors my opinion exactly. Sao Paulo is the superior mongering city (arguably the best in the World). But Rio is just one of those places you got to visit at some point. You really need to extend your trip.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2371755]...They will swear up and down that the optics at Globe are better than at any FKK in Germany (they are not) and that the service is so much better than anything you will find in Germany (again not true per my experience)...[/QUOTE]I have visited the FKKs in Germany close to 15 times, and I just completed my 2nd visit to Globe. I absolutely agree with you. Globe is more expensive, but I don't think it is worth the additional money. As to eye candy, the large FKKs in Germany feature a large number of working girls, and one can find plenty of eye candy among them. No need to travel all the way to Zurich, although I liked that city.

Is there any FKK in Brazil?

By FKK I mean fully naked girls and amenities (sauna, hot tub etc) comparable to Germany.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2372024]I have visited the FKKs in Germany close to 15 times, and I just completed my 2nd visit to Globe. I absolutely agree with you. Globe is more expensive, but I don't think it is worth the additional money. As to eye candy, the large FKKs in Germany feature a large number of working girls, and one can find plenty of eye candy among them. No need to travel all the way to Zurich, although I liked that city.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2372118]Is there any FKK in Brazil?

By FKK I mean fully naked girls and amenities (sauna, hot tub etc) comparable to Germany.[/QUOTE]Not really. The closest thing are the termas in Rio.

Although, the word termas translates to spa that is not an accurate description. Men usually don't go to termas for the amenities. If a termas offers any amenities they usually are not that good. Weak massages, so-so steam baths. Monte Carlo offered both of these. The women also don't walk around naked.

What you typically will find is scantily-clad Brazilian women, a bar, some food, loud music and possibly a short sexy stage or pole dance by some of the girls. If you are interested in more specifics, you should inquire on the Rio de Janeiro thread.

OK I was remembering wrong. These were Boates. One was a sauna (American Bar I think is the name). All of them trash bars like I remembered, but before I remembered you could find a gem here and there. Not anymore apparently. There's a relatively new place (Casarao) on the street that I assume is the reason as it soaks up all the talent on that stretch. I ended up liking Casarao so much (it was awesome every night of the week) that it was essentially my only destination for the entire trip. Price to quality ratio was far from what I remembered of the high end shops. I found enough 8-9's to choose from in Casarao that I didn't bother even checking out the high end joints with the higher pricing structure. Scandalo / Bomboa / etc.

BTW I understand why no one answered my post here (I had a total of 1 post) . So I thought ID put up this info even though this thread got no replies before.

[QUOTE=JohnJabber;2360409]Some years ago, I forget how many (3, 5, 10? There was a string of saunas (walking distance between them) along Rua August in el Centro. I can't remember the names of them. Strangely, I can't find any mention of them on the forum and I'm sure this forum must have been the way I found them way back when. Are they still around? Any thoughts on quality / safety / etc?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2372024]I have visited the FKKs in Germany close to 15 times, and I just completed my 2nd visit to Globe. I absolutely agree with you. Globe is more expensive, but I don't think it is worth the additional money. As to eye candy, the large FKKs in Germany feature a large number of working girls, and one can find plenty of eye candy among them. No need to travel all the way to Zurich, although I liked that city.[/QUOTE]Not going to beat this topic to death in the wrong forum, but there is an element that most people miss about clubs like Globe. The reason guys visit forums like this one is a shared interest, the same is true of clubs like Globe or even a termas like Centaurus in Rio. The price limits who will be in the club and also with whom you will be sharing the women. I have friends from around the world whom I met in these places. Interestingly, rarely inside or outside the clubs do we discuss women. So, a common interest brings us together, price limits whom we will encounter but that we met in basically a brothel does not dictate the nature of our ongoing relationships. Not unlike upscale country clubs in the United States.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2371188]Honestly I do not understand why Abbobora gets so much love on this site. Is got great facilities but its more expensive and the lineup is not better than Moema Prime[/QUOTE]That is exactly my take on Abbobora. It has bigger lineup in addition to better facilities compared to Prime. Optically most of the lineup is below Prime.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2370622]When I was in scandallo, I invited a few girls that I like to sit chat and drink with me, and also got their contacts. Since I was currently with a girl in the club, I told them I will contact them the next day. One girl from Curitiba offered me 1500 for 4 hours + her other friend for 800 for 4 hours. So I kinda hit the jackpot. Another girl I contacted gave me a price of 1200 for 4 hours, before she starts work in the club. Too bad there was some communication problem as she did not know I was trying to tell her don't go to scandallo so early and spent time with me before going.

These were also without negotiations. And I did not see a need to negotiate lower. Also I don't speak much Portuguese, and people know I'm a foreigner.[/QUOTE]This is very useful info. I will definitely try during my next trip. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2369973]Like Lalabo, one of my goals with this trip is to do a little scouting. The mongering scene is Sao Paulo is large, and I admit I have sampled only a small part of it. So, I'm making sure to mix in some places I have not been to before along with others that I already know I like. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2369973]
I spent three hours hanging out at The Connection Nightclub. While there, I had three drinks and an appetizer that I shared with a girl. When I left, my final bill was 260 reals. That was about $65 for the night, plus roundtrip taxi fare at about 70 reals each way. Like I said, if I had the opportunity, I would give The Connection Nightclub another try on another night. Lots of 7's and 8's at more potentially more favorable prices than at places like Scandallo, Bomboa, and Cafe Photo.[/QUOTE]Thanks for doing real scouting unearthing potential new gems. Mine was not much of scouting (maybe personal scouting for future). As it was my first trip I chose not to be adventurous, just tried the most talked about clinics and boates.

I will definitely check out Connection during my next trip.

Just wondering if everyone else has the same experience as I did here.

I speak good Spanish and can mix in enough Portuguese to have a conversation / negotiate.

Non-negotiable.

Entrance / min consumption paid on exit 60 Rs.

Exit Tax to take garota off premises other than "hotel" next door 100 Rs.

Rooms 40 min = 40 Rs. 1 HR = 80 Rs.

Chicas start out with Rs 250-300 for 40 minutes and Rs 400-500 for 1 HR. This can be fairly easily negotiated down to 200 Rs /40 min or 300 Rs / HR. Even lower is possible but starts putting them in a pissy mood.

Some of the girls will try to make you think the first tier is 30 minutes if they size you up as green. This is easy to shut down. Just correct them and say its 40 minutes.

If you want all night, get their number and followup the next day to avoid exit tax. It was fairly easy (but did take some firm negotiating) to get all nights for 600 Rs starting about 9 pm and lasting till morning wake up (9 am or so for me). For a 600 Rs all night it has to be the right night. The average garota pulls an average of 1100-1400 Rs nightly on Thurs / Fri / Sat so enticing them away from club on those nights would be pricey. Oh on the 600 Rs all nights plan on a fairly pricey meal. They're going to want to eat and it ain't going to be Burger King.

So some all in examples.

Recon. Couple of 40 minute sessions to check out talent and get phone # - (garota / room / house) 200+40+60= 300 x 2 sessions = 600 Rs ($150 USD).

All nighter two garotas - (garaotas / uber / meal) - 600*2 + 50 + 100 = 1330 Rs ($330 USD).

Hate to take up space with a non-info message, but a huge thanks for all of the trip reports and information. My first time visit is not until February and I have read back 200 pages both on this and the Rio thread. I have to now re-read them all and take notes of the procedure and costs on each location.

I have been thinking about using a guide for a day but sure would like to meet some expats too. PM me if interested.

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2371547]You should definitely consider Rio. I feel a trip to Brazil without experiencing Rio once is defeats the purpose of traveling to Brazil in the first place. Rio is very different than SP due to the Termas scene and beaches. I am only recommending you to check out the following.

1. Quatro x Quatro (aka, 4 x4).

2. Centaurus.

3. Monte Carlo.

4. Solarium, and others.

Read up in the RIO forum for other places to enjoy.[/QUOTE]I'm a huge Rio fan!

I know both SP and Rio well.

I'm not a big fan of the high end boate scene (Scandalos, etc), however, I definitely understand the attraction, especially for the monger tourist on a visit.

I'm also not a big fan of the Termas in Rio, though I go occasionally.

In both Rio and SP, I scout the Centro scene and find the hidden diamonds.

I enjoy the hunt.

In Rio I love the Cariocas; the mulata, the moreninha, the bronceada with sexy tan lines.

Both cities are great!

On a pure monger basis, yes I'm sure SP has more availability, however, I'll take Rio for overall ambience, relaxation, beach, etc.

Just my perspective from a non high end club scene type of guy.

[QUOTE=JohnJabber;2372904]Just wondering if everyone else has the same experience as I did here.

I speak good Spanish and can mix in enough Portuguese to have a conversation / negotiate.

Non-negotiable.

Entrance / min consumption paid on exit 60 Rs.

Exit Tax to take garota off premises other than "hotel" next door 100 Rs.

Rooms 40 min = 40 Rs. 1 HR = 80 Rs.

Chicas start out with Rs 250-300 for 40 minutes and Rs 400-500 for 1 HR. This can be fairly easily negotiated down to 200 Rs /40 min or 300 Rs / HR. Even lower is possible but starts putting them in a pissy mood.

Some of the girls will try to make you think the first tier is 30 minutes if they size you up as green. This is easy to shut down. Just correct them and say its 40 minutes.[/QUOTE]Very good summary, I will give feedback on some details that differ marginally from what you report. My numbers are from what I have seen there over the last 2 years. I have gone once every few months, and the last time was maybe 5 months ago, so maybe things have changed to match your numbers exactly.

Entrada: you paid 60, all usable toward consumption. They keep moving the entrada. For years it was 20 to enter with 0 of that toward consumption OR 30 to enter with all 30 in consumption. Last time I went they had raised it to 40 all in consumption. Maybe its moved to 60 but I am sure I paid no more than 40 a few months ago.

Salida / girl exit. Correct.

Rooms. Correct, with one caveat which also affects your comment about the girls negotiation.

Again, maybe its changed, but for as long as I have gone there the official times are 1/2 hour and hour. Now, you note that some of the girls say 30 minutes and some say 40 minutes, and you imply that the ones that say 30 are deceiving. In fact, the ones that say 30 minutes are being more honest than the ones that say 40 minutes. Its a real annoying thing, I agree, to hear different times from different chicks. As I understand it, having heard this from numerous girls, the official time is 30 minutes BUT the girls think they can stretch it to 40 minutes by ignoring the desk ringing the room phone for a few minutes. Now bear in mind you have to shower twice within that time. So its actually the girls that "claim" its 40 minutes that are exaggerating a bit. I think you will get the same amount of time from both the girls that say 30 and the ones that say 40. Once the desk starts ringing that phone it gets too annoying to stay longer and its time to shower. I always do an hour so I don't have too much first hand experience with the half hour "grace period".

Garotas: again maybe there has been an increase but what I was seeing routinely was the proposition 200 1/2 hour and 300 1 HR. Occasionally some would ask for 250/350 but I was never asked for more. They also don't drop lower than 150 1/2 and 250 hour, maybe 200 if you are are super charmer or they are desperate.

As for the all night, outside the club stuff, that ranges all over the price range, but your reported experience seems reasonable.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2372989]I'm a huge Rio fan!

I know both SP and Rio well.

I'm not a big fan of the high end boate scene (Scandalos, etc), however, I definitely understand the attraction, especially for the monger tourist on a visit.

I'm also not a big fan of the Termas in Rio, though I go occasionally.

In both Rio and SP, I scout the Centro scene and find the hidden diamonds.

I enjoy the hunt.

In Rio I love the Cariocas; the mulata, the moreninha, the bronceada with sexy tan lines.

Both cities are great!

On a pure monger basis, yes I'm sure SP has more availability, however, I'll take Rio for overall ambience, relaxation, beach, etc.

Just my perspective from a non high-end club scene type of guy.[/QUOTE]So do I!

In São Paulo my favorites are Tangará, near Jardins and Moema, 120 reais for a half-hour, about 25 girls available as average. And If you like nightlife go to Espaço Vergueiro on Thursdays and Fridays are the best days. 170 reais for one hour. About some 10/12 girls available.

PM for details.

ABG.

Thanks Rovnak,

From your response and reading previous reports it seems there have been some changes at Casarao. The entrada is now a 40+20.40 I think is the entrada and 20 the min consumption (or the other way around? Doorman made a big deal of pointing to the sign saying as much so apparently its new and he wants to make sure its clear on entry.

At the hotel next door they only collect the money for the room and they collect it directly from you. Everything else is strictly between you and the garota. Apparently this is new? As far as the 40 minutes issue, I asked for 40 minutes at the desk, after which they asked for 40 Rs. They never corrected me to say its 30 minutes. Cuarenta is Cuarenta in both Portugese and Spanish so I'm sure we all understood each other, and I did look at the clock start and finish on the 40 minute sessions (several times anyway) and they were indeed 40 minutes when the buzzer went off. So I was lucky (at least several times over a few weeks) or its a new structure. I did notice that the girls didn't seem to mind taking activities all the way to the buzzer and then showering. Got a few reminder buzzers during clean up but nobody seemed overly pissed about it.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2373086]Very good summary, I will give feedback on some details that differ marginally from what you report. My numbers are from what I have seen there over the last 2 years. I have gone once every few months, and the last time was maybe 5 months ago, so maybe things have changed to match your numbers exactly.

Entrada: you paid 60, all usable toward consumption. They keep moving the entrada. For years it was 20 to enter with 0 of that toward consumption OR 30 to enter with all 30 in consumption. Last time I went they had raised it to 40 all in consumption. Maybe its moved to 60 but I am sure I paid no more than 40 a few months ago.

Salida / girl exit. Correct.

Rooms. Correct, with one caveat which also affects your comment about the girls negotiation..[/QUOTE]

First of All a huge thank you to ABG, he showed me around for a few days and I thought it was easy getting around on the metro or using Uber.

I went mostly to 3 Clinicas and was TOTALLY happy with the quality of women and prices 120/ half HR 170/ full hour all gave BBBJ nothing asked they just Do it. A couple would do CIM but I was getting tired since I was travelling screwing the last 3 weeks. I went 3 different days to Tangara and loved every minute of it. It was a relaxed place and the ladies are of all types, colors and size. I went with Vanessa an older maybe early 30's blonde who was great, BBBJ and CIM total GFE, tons of kissing and touching. I had an nice connection with her. Went with Marie and she is maybe the hottest lady I saw in Brazil (SP) and yes half hour 120 reals or $30 usd. She would be a 500+ / HR lady in the US. I also saw a friend of ABG Gabrille and she is really sweet. I also had Juju who is really hot a 9 for sure and was very GFE and BBBJ also. If you can't find someone you like at Tangara then you are in trouble.

I also went to Yankin twice, really easy to get to from the metro so I liked that, had to Uber to Tangara. At Yankin they have fewer women but found a few that were very hot. I went with one mulatta (darker) lady named analuh, she was really nice and again BBBJ I don't know about CIM I think so. I also went to a 3rd Clinica Vanni Way and only went once but same as the others, but a smaller line up but still very nice looking ladies. Prices were the same as the others 120-170 HR.

Overall I really liked SP it is a first world city, it is clean the traffic is bad at rush hour but organized. They have excellent food / restaurants and the weather is ok, I think the Summer would be too hot for me. The biggest draw back is the language barrier, I speak passable Spanish, but trying to understand the spoken Portugese was hard. I have always gone to Colombia mostly MDE and hands down the clinicas in SP are WAYYYYY better than the Casa in MDE. The women are better looking way better looking and more GFE, tons of kissing and BBBJ without even asking. It is a long flight from Panama City and Colombia is much closer to Houston or PTY. The prices for food are not bad and I would do a Airbnb next trip cheaper than the hotel.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2373384]First of All a huge thank you to ABG, he showed me around for a few days and I thought it was easy getting around on the metro or using Uber.

I went mostly to 3 Clinicas and was TOTALLY happy with the quality of women and prices 120/ half HR 170/ full hour all gave BBBJ nothing asked they just Do it. A couple would do CIM but I was getting tired since I was travelling screwing the last 3 weeks. I went 3 different days to Tangara and loved every minute of it. It was a relaxed place and the ladies are of all types, colors and size. I went with Vanessa an older maybe early 30's blonde who was great, BBBJ and CIM total GFE, tons of kissing and touching. I had an nice connection with her. Went with Marie and she is maybe the hottest lady I saw in Brazil (SP) and yes half hour 120 reals or $30 usd. She would be a 500+ / HR lady in the US. I also saw a friend of ABG Gabrille and she is really sweet. I also had Juju who is really hot a 9 for sure and was very GFE and BBBJ also. If you can't find someone you like at Tangara then you are in trouble.

I also went to Yankin twice, really easy to get to from the metro so I liked that, had to Uber to Tangara. At Yankin they have fewer women but found a few that were very hot. I went with one mulatta (darker) lady named analuh, she was really nice and again BBBJ I don't know about CIM I think so. I also went to a 3rd Clinica Vanni Way and only went once but same as the others, but a smaller line up but still very nice looking ladies. Prices were the same as the others 120-170 HR..[/QUOTE]Thanks JBJ, we had a wonderful time together, I hope to see you soon, if it is anything that you need from São Paulo please call me!

ABG.

I tried 4 x4 in Rio a few months ago, surprisingly bad value comparing to Germany.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2372196]Not really. The closest thing are the termas in Rio.

Although, the word termas translates to spa that is not an accurate description. Men usually don't go to termas for the amenities. If a termas offers any amenities they usually are not that good. Weak massages, so-so steam baths. Monte Carlo offered both of these. The women also don't walk around naked.

What you typically will find is scantily-clad Brazilian women, a bar, some food, loud music and possibly a short sexy stage or pole dance by some of the girls. If you are interested in more specifics, you should inquire on the Rio de Janeiro thread.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2373734]I tried 4 x4 in Rio a few months ago, surprisingly bad value comparing to Germany.[/QUOTE]I think you will agree that the girl you choose can make all the difference.

I meant only value for money.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2373889]I think you will agree that the girl you choose can make all the difference.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2373734]I tried 4 x4 in Rio a few months ago, surprisingly bad value comparing to Germany.[/QUOTE]Last time I was there I slipped the girl at the counter Monopoly money, told her they were the new Post UK euros!

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2373734]I tried 4x4 in Rio a few months ago, surprisingly bad value comparing to Germany.[/QUOTE]Overall 4X4 is cheaper than FKKs. The chicks at FKKs are hotter. However, the service of the girls in Brazil is better than that of those at FKKs.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2374440]Overall 4X4 is cheaper than FKKs. The chicks at FKKs are hotter. However, the service of the girls in Brazil is better than that of those at FKKs.[/QUOTE]I am now in Germany to monger, Brazilian women are way hotter than Romanians. You know nothing about Brazil.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2374766]I am now in Germany to monger, Brazilian women are way hotter than Romanians. You know nothing about Brazil.[/QUOTE]And I am here now in Brazil fucking a German with a Brazilian bunda LOLOLOL! Report to come in the Rio thread.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2374766]I am now in Germany to monger, Brazilian women are way hotter than Romanians. You know nothing about Brazil.[/QUOTE]Nobody has the final say as to who's hot and who's not. Wisen up.

Is the 9 floor building on Alameda Baro de Limeira, 134 (in Republica) still in operation?. Also the one at Rua dos Andrades 69. And any others you know of.

[QUOTE=RioD;2375561]Is the 9 floor building on Alameda Baro de Limeira, 134 (in Republica) still in operation?. Also the one at Rua dos Andrades 69. And any others you know of.[/QUOTE]They are both there, but there are reports on local forum that mongers have been attacked by girls and their money and phones have been robbed by force at Rua dos Andradas, 69.

I'm going to be traveling to Sao Paulo and Rio for the first time this year and I was really interested in having a group party with 3, 4, or even more girls? Multi-hour sort of thing with them and me. Is this possible at Scandallo or Casarao? Or is there another better way?

[QUOTE=Boondocks123;2376199]I'm going to be traveling to Sao Paulo and Rio for the first time this year and I was really interested in having a group party with 3, 4, or even more girls? Multi-hour sort of thing with them and me. Is this possible at Scandallo or Casarao? Or is there another better way?[/QUOTE]Have you not been to Brasil? Anything is possible! Scoop the garotas up from your venue of choice and head back to your hotel or your apartment.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2376311]Have you not been to Brasil? Anything is possible! Scoop the garotas up from your venue of choice and head back to your hotel or your apartment.[/QUOTE]Yea this is my first time. Ahh didn't really know they could leave so that's interesting!

Thinking about trying airbnb or similar next trip to Sao Paulo. I am looking at "entire place to myself" options. I noticed some have "additional rules". I am narrowing down the list based on.

1) not considering anything with rules against visitors in room.

2) not considering anything with more than a couple of paragraphs of "additional rules" (just seems like a red flag to me).

3) not considering anything that says that they need a copy ID of guest and "companion" at least 24 hours in advance.

Any others I should throw out?

If they don't explicitly have rules against guests or pre authorization requirements, what are the odds Ill have trouble getting multiple different visitors in on different nights?

Any other Airbnb advice anyone can offer (especially Sao Paulo specific).

Much thanks.

[QUOTE=Boondocks123;2376199]I'm going to be traveling to Sao Paulo and Rio for the first time this year and I was really interested in having a group party with 3, 4, or even more girls? Multi-hour sort of thing with them and me. Is this possible at Scandallo or Casarao? Or is there another better way?[/QUOTE]Really depends on your budget. No reason not to go with Casarão or Scandallo (very pricey). I would look for an English speaker and have her arrange your festinha. Have it at your hotel, a love motel, or the local of one of the girls. You can expect BRL400-500 per hour per girl for shorter terms. Longer is negotiable.

Jib Reach.

[QUOTE=Boondocks123;2376199]I'm going to be traveling to Sao Paulo and Rio for the first time this year and I was really interested in having a group party with 3, 4, or even more girls? Multi-hour sort of thing with them and me. Is this possible at Scandallo or Casarao? Or is there another better way?[/QUOTE]Inbox AltoBomGosto, if he can't hook you up, it ain't hook upable!

[QUOTE=JibReach;2376500]Really depends on your budget. No reason not to go with Casaro or Scandallo (very pricey). I would look for an English speaker and have her arrange your festinha. Have it at your hotel, a love motel, or the local of one of the girls. You can expect BRL400-500 per hour per girl for shorter terms. Longer is negotiable.

Jib Reach.[/QUOTE]Good to know! Appreciate the tips. Since I speak no Portuguese, I'd have to rely on Google translate. Won't be a problem will it?

[QUOTE=BoonDocks123;2377031]Good to know! Appreciate the tips. Since I speak no Portuguese, I'd have to rely on Google translate. Won't be a problem will it?[/QUOTE]Try to learn some Portuguese words and phrases prior to getting to Brazil. It will at least show your trying. Overall Google Translate will not be a problem, it will be your friend.

[QUOTE=BoonDocks123;2377031]Good to know! Appreciate the tips. Since I speak no Portuguese, I'd have to rely on Google translate. Won't be a problem will it?[/QUOTE]Google translate works well enough. But try to learn some Portuguese. And not just transactional. These women are people too and the effort is appreciated. Also, you will find that many do speak basic English but don't want to admit it. Twitter is full of English speakers.

Jib Reach.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2377087]Try to learn some Portuguese words and phrases prior to getting to Brazil. It will at least show your trying. Overall Google Translate will not be a problem, it will be your friend.[/QUOTE]You haven't said much about what you're looking for (there is a wide range). But here are some suggestions of women who will help you arrange this. There are, though, hundreds!!

At bruniaurea She DIA a US your this summer.

At cavaleraisis.

At krisbianco (older, but she will teach you stuff you have never imagined).

At doceluizasauter.

At sky_Ninna.

At agata__muniz.

At voicejanis.

Any of these will happily arrange your festinha.

Good luck.

Job Reach.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2376914]Inbox AltoBomGosto, if he can't hook you up, it ain't hook upable![/QUOTE]I will be glad to help you. Please PM me for more details.

ABG.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2378327]I will be glad to help you. Please PM me for more details.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Great! As I get a little closer and figure out my trip, will do. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Nordico;2375917]They are both there, but there are reports on local forum that mongers have been attacked by girls and their money and phones have been robbed by force at Rua dos Andradas, 69.[/QUOTE]Nordico, thanks for the reply. Also, on which local forum did you see the news about Rua dos Andradas 69? And were any men involved in the attacks?

[QUOTE=RioD;2379183]Nordico, thanks for the reply. Also, on which local forum did you see the news about Rua dos Andradas 69? And were any men involved in the attacks?[/QUOTE]Read it on gpguia.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2378327]I will be glad to help you. Please PM me for more details.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Does AltoBomGosto also show people around would be nice to have a wing man.

[QUOTE=Patrick1975;2379514]Does AltoBomGosto also show people around would be nice to have a wing man.[/QUOTE]There used to be a "guide" in Rio that would take guys to the termas. I looked down on him until I learned more about his services. He was fluent in Portuguese and able to help the guys communicate with the girls and avoid ones that he knew would not be a good experience. As I saw the experience guys were having who used his service versus those who didn't my opinion changed. Even with smartphone translators (which are far from perfect) a guide can be invaluable. In São Paulo, AltoBomGosto, is that guide. He is a long-time contributor to this forum, always with solid and specific advice.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2379715]There used to be a "guide" in Rio that would take guys to the termas. I looked down on him until I learned more about his services. He was fluent in Portuguese and able to help the guys communicate with the girls and avoid ones that he knew would not be a good experience. As I saw the experience guys were having who used his service versus those who didn't my opinion changed. Even with smartphone translators (which are far from perfect) a guide can be invaluable. In So Paulo, AltoBomGosto, is that guide. He is a long-time contributor to this forum, always with solid and specific advice.[/QUOTE]Amazing, does he charge a fee or this service or should I treat him on a nice girl?

[QUOTE=Patrick1975;2379514]Does AltoBomGosto also show people around would be nice to have a wing man.[/QUOTE]I'll be pleased to take people to a tour, please PM for details.

ABG.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2379872]I'll be pleased to take people to a tour, please PM for details.

ABG.[/QUOTE]ABG. I'll be in SP Nov 2-4th. Would love to have a wingman while there. Will PM you once my forum subscription is activated.

[QUOTE=SherlockBones;2380083]ABG. I'll be in SP Nov 2-4th. Would love to have a wingman while there. I will PM you once my forum subscription is activated.[/QUOTE]I'll be at your disposal on Nov 2-4. I'm looking to see you by PM.

ABG.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2380488]I'll be at your disposal on Nov 2-4. I'm looking to see you by PM.

ABG.[/QUOTE]PM sent. Looking forward to your reply.

I used him and I had the time of my life. Was treated like a VIP. The best bang for your buck I have found anywhere in the world. I have not been to Phil and its been 30 yrs since Thailand, but beautiful women for $30 half HR.

[QUOTE=SherlockBones;2380711]PM sent. Looking forward to your reply.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2379872]I'll be pleased to take people to a tour, please PM for details.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Hi ABG,

I've sent you a PM really looking forward to your response.

Best Patrick.

[QUOTE=SherlockBones;2380711]PM sent. Looking forward to your reply.[/QUOTE]ABG, are you still available Nov 2-4th?

[QUOTE=SherlockBones;2383138]ABG, are you still available Nov 2-4th?[/QUOTE]ABG, just checking in again to see if you're still available. Tried messaging you via WhatsApp too.

Thanks.

I've been here a little over a week now. Anyone who has read my past SP reports would know that I am basically a clinica man. And boy have I been having a great time! Brazilian garotas never cease to amaze me. I was in Colombia recently and the difference in the service of the girls is quite distinct, with garotas there are no holds barred, no inhibitions like the chicas. So far every girl I've been with in all the clinicas I have visited has been fantastic.

However, it would be remiss of me if I did not mention one girl in particular whose service was indescribably amazing. I visited Enjoy and was given quite a small presentation of five garotas. One tall mulatta immediately caught my eye and I immediately made a mental note of her name for possible selection, she stood out from the rest of the girls. However, when came time to choose I inexplicably decided on a girl who was not all that amazing looking nor was she particularly friendly in the presentation. Her name was Fabi (short for Fabiana) who told me that she is an accounting student. Slim, 5' 6" brancaish Babe. Her performance in the sack was astounding, she actually made me feel 40 years younger (wish I could have performed in that manner as well). I cannot forget the expression on her face with saliva dripping from her mouth just before she attacked junior Turgid with BBBJ, what followed were the most agonizingly beautiful sensations. This in turn was followed by 69 and coitus in every conceivable position culminating in a sweat drenched climax. After that she held me tight and DFKed like I've not done since my last regular GF some years ago. All she requested was that I choose her again in my next visit, that would be very hard to resist! She was not the hottest in the lineup but good enough looking, is very enthusiastic and the real deal, no faking necessary for she genuinely enjoys sex and is highly recommended.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2387223]I've been here a little over a week now. Anyone who has read my past SP reports would know that I am basically a clinica man. And boy have I been having a great time! Brazilian garotas never cease to amaze me. I was in Colombia recently and the difference in the service of the girls is quite distinct, with garotas there are no holds barred, no inhibitions like the chicas. So far every girl I've been with in all the clinicas I have visited has been fantastic.

However, it would be remiss of me if I did not mention one girl in particular whose service was indescribably amazing. I visited Enjoy and was given quite a small presentation of five garotas. One tall mulatta immediately caught my eye and I immediately made a mental note of her name for possible selection, she stood out from the rest of the girls. However, when came time to choose I inexplicably decided on a girl who was not all that amazing looking nor was she particularly friendly in the presentation. Her name was Fabi (short for Fabiana) who told me that she is an accounting student. Slim, 5' 6" brancaish Babe. Her performance in the sack was astounding, she actually made me feel 40 years younger (wish I could have performed in that manner as well). I cannot forget the expression on her face with saliva dripping from her mouth just before she attacked junior Turgid with BBBJ, what followed were the most agonizingly beautiful sensations. This in turn was followed by 69 and coitus in every conceivable position culminating in a sweat drenched climax. After that she held me tight and DFKed like I've not done since my last regular GF some years ago. All she requested was that I choose her again in my next visit, that would be very hard to resist! She was not the hottest in the lineup but good enough looking, is very enthusiastic and the real deal, no faking necessary for she genuinely enjoys sex and is highly recommended.[/QUOTE]The tall mulata at Enjoy might have been Tati. Who I went with last weekend. She is OK, not as good as I had thought from presentation, unclothed body not has hot as she appeared in that short skirt, and not as sexually engaging as I am used to. I don't mean to say she was poor, not at all, just by Brazil standards she was not up to my high standard and from reading some reports on gp-guia, I think some others had similar experience. Lets just say I did not bother to take her number. The one at Enjoy that has great reviews and I wish I had chosen instead is the tight, petite, tattooed Rebecca.

Cheers.

I will be there between 7 and 10 November.

Do you have any recommendations for newbies (place or mulher)?

Someone for me to visit the city night?

Thank Turgid for your recent experiences.

[QUOTE=Latind;2388176]I will be there between 7 and 10 November.

Do you have any recommendations for newbies (place or mulher)?

Someone for me to visit the city night?

Thank Turgid for your recent experiences.[/QUOTE]If you have money and it's night ($300 usd / night) go to Scandallo. Never look back. If you have less money and it's night go to Casarao. If you less money than that or it's daytime go to the Clinicas.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2389659]If you have money and it's night ($300 usd / night) go to Scandallo. Never look back. If you have less money and it's night go to Casarao. If you less money than that or it's daytime go to the Clinicas.[/QUOTE]For newbies its as easy as entering a cab and giving the driver the destination, many of which are named in this forum. You exit the taxi, enter the destination and have fun. Afterwards, you enter a taxi and give the driver your hotel destination.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2389659]If you have money and it's night ($300 usd / night) go to Scandallo. Never look back. If you have less money and it's night go to Casarao. If you less money than that or it's daytime go to the Clinicas.[/QUOTE]Thanks for you information Steve.

[QUOTE=JohnJabber;2372904]Just wondering if everyone else has the same experience as I did here.

I speak good Spanish and can mix in enough Portuguese to have a conversation / negotiate.

Non-negotiable.

Entrance / min consumption paid on exit 60 Rs.

Exit Tax to take garota off premises other than "hotel" next door 100 Rs.

Rooms 40 min = 40 Rs. 1 HR = 80 Rs.

Chicas start out with Rs 250-300 for 40 minutes and Rs 400-500 for 1 HR. This can be fairly easily negotiated down to 200 Rs /40 min or 300 Rs / HR. Even lower is possible but starts putting them in a pissy mood.

Some of the girls will try to make you think the first tier is 30 minutes if they size you up as green. This is easy to shut down. Just correct them and say its 40 minutes..[/QUOTE]Just wanted to say Thank You for the resource Amigos.

I used to contribute to the now defunct ******** site which is no more.

My Handle was Amspie.

As of last night Nov 6 2019.

Paid 20 or 40 reales after shutdown trickling out around 6 am.

Garotas =dozens at basement and ground level with about 35 rooms at 2nd floor.

Credit card or cash 40 for 40 minutes and 80 for 1 hour rooms. Buzzer=time is up with no room cleaner asking for tips.

Even paid Garota with Credit card (some has handheld card swiper) paid 200 reals with upcharge of 20% therefore 240 reals for 40 minutes.

Paid another garota with 100 usd bill no issues but not aware of conversion rate.

Overall easy to maneuver with a little Spanglish / Portuguese and credit card. Debit card. Reales and usdollars.

GOT a few telephone numbers but I am staying in a hotel with plenty of Garotas de Programs a few blocks from my next venue at Scandallo.

Obrigado.

Note:

Unconfirmed: but garota said there is no exit fee of 100 reales before midnight.

Enjoyed the saxophonist. A tame pole dancer. English and Portuguese and Spanish songs from DJ.

Smoking section at basement. Helps with indoor air quality.

30 minute wait time for rooms after midnight, but excellent fondling. Kissing, joking and practicing Portuguese at benches upstairs with around 2 dozen couples waiting for their number to show up at the display.

[QUOTE=Izl80;2389951]Note:

Unconfirmed: but garota said there is no exit fee of 100 reales before midnight.

Enjoyed the saxophonist. A tame pole dancer. English and Portuguese and Spanish songs from DJ.

Smoking section at basement. Helps with indoor air quality.

30 minute wait time for rooms after midnight, but excellent fondling. Kissing, joking and practicing Portuguese at benches upstairs with around 2 dozen couples waiting for their number to show up at the display.[/QUOTE]And if you don't want to wait it's literally a two minute walk to a love hotel down the street. I suppose there is some exit takeout fee. But it was noise level for a hot Brasileira at a few hundred are.

[QUOTE=Izl80;2389948]Just wanted to say Thank You for the resource Amigos.

I used to contribute to the now defunct ******** site which is no more.

My Handle was Amspie.

As of last night Nov 6 2019.

Paid 20 or 40 reales after shutdown trickling out around 6 am.

Garotas =dozens at basement and ground level with about 35 rooms at 2nd floor.

Credit card or cash 40 for 40 minutes and 80 for 1 hour rooms. Buzzer=time is up with no room cleaner asking for tips.

Even paid Garota with Credit card (some has handheld card swiper) paid 200 reals with upcharge of 20% therefore 240 reals for 40 minutes.

Paid another garota with 100 usd bill no issues but not aware of conversion rate.

Overall easy to maneuver with a little Spanglish / Portuguese and credit card. Debit card. Reales and usdollars.

GOT a few telephone numbers but I am staying in a hotel with plenty of Garotas de Programs a few blocks from my next venue at Scandallo.

Obrigado.[/QUOTE]Scandallo is my favorite place in the entire world. You can go back some pages and read my full reports but a couple quick tips.

1. If you order Jack and Coke they charge you for the Jack and the Coke separately. USD $27 (It you drink it neat instead you can save some bucks).

2. If you go up by the stage on the right there is a little step you can stand on there. 80% of the garotas do a cycle where they pass by there. Great for shopping!

Have fun. You will never be the same. 🤪.

Apologies for a repost but with the Scandallo discussion I was reminded of one of the best nights of my life anywhere on the planet. (This past summer) Plus it contains some good tips. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2352778]So it's the very last night of my trip and where else would I choose to go but Scandallo? I was drag ass tired and considered not going. What a mistake that would have been. So, professional that I am, I powered thru.

I roll up around 11 PM and it's quite packed like one would expect. First I spend a bit of time on the patio. It's more relaxed out there, before the crush of the club. A few pretty girls that are maybes but no one lights me up.

I decide to wade into the thick of it, which is the main area with the band and grab my second drink. And it's packed. Pretty much have to turn sideways to wend your way thru the crowd. I can't really estimate but surely over 100 girls just in that part, maybe 150? It is a buffet that is unequalled worldwide in my opinion.

I have a certain type and it's a very narrow window. So out of the 150 I will probably find 5 or less that are up my alley even tho they are all pretty in their own way. At some point Julliana from last week appears. She is a sweet girl and pretty and I would repeat under other circumstances. But not with such a target rich environment. So I give her a kiss and move on (later I find out she was pissed. But hey.).

I find one of the very best places to do the girl-buffet is up near the stage to the right. You can stand on the little step there and for some reason a lot of the ladies have a loop that goes right by there. But bear in mind others never leave the back of the room so you need to work both.

While the ladies are on parade there are one or two who catch my eye and I file them for future reference. One particular beauty is wearing a floral print top and matching wrap-around skirt. She has lovely dark eyes and long black hair. Tawny skin. Just my type. We make brief but meaningful eye contact.

This reminds me, it is very interesting how the game is played:

1 Eye contact and quick eye aversion. One of the parties is not interested. Move on.

2 Brief eye contact - 2-3 seconds. Dig you let's talk later.

3 Strong sustained eye contact. Let's talk right now baby.

The irony with number 2 is if you are careful not to let it go to defcon 3 then you only get a brief look at your girl. My tropical girl gets eye contact level 2 - I need further confirmation and file her for later.

Later when I am surveying from the back of the room, I notice that tropical-girl is next to me. I do another quick meeting of the eyes and then drop after a couple seconds. As I turn away, it hits me she is the one. So I reengage and turn towards her and engage her in my broken Portugus. (In retrospect I realize that she is not next to me by accident. She had marked me also after the first gaze and sought me out. Well good for her because she got it right!

Wow fuck this girl is a real doll. We chat briefly but it's very loud in the club. So we adjourn to the couches in the hall. I'd never really noticed that there are nice couches lining the hall between the restaurant and the club. What a great place to get to know each other. And we do. She's got an architectural degree and hopes to practice soon. She says she loves Scandallo because it's so classy and I agree.

God she is beautiful and I need to move this to the next level but don't want to do a room and be done. So I ask if she wants a drink and does she like dancing. Sim and sim! (All discussion is Portugus. She knows no English.).

So we head back to the main part of the club. She is very girlfriendy, leading me by the hand. We get her a drink and find a section in the middle where there are some tables that create sufficient dancing space. So we put our drinks here and start some dancing. Well not really. More like hips to hips swaying regardless of the beat. And some grinding and gyrating.

The dancing is very sexy and intimate. One of the things that melts my soul is when a girl looks deep into my eyes. Not enough of this so far this trip including my spectacular BA girlfriend. So when Andressa concentrates those liquid browns on mine it is delicious. We lean in and kiss a little. Light stuff at first. A little tongue mixed in as things progress. I honestly enjoy this as much as the room. I did it with Josy for an hour or so last week and loved it. With Andressa it is not the full on tongue tangled mackin like Josy, but very pleasant. And the balance will tip toward Andressa In the room, where she is a goddess.

After 20 minutes or it could be a half hour of dance-flirting I think we were both ready for the room. We do it via Google translate. She initiates with "What do you like to do during sex". Nice. I like the directness. "I like blowjob without condom. And kissing in missionary". Hoping just for an OK, I instead get a surprising "I love BJ without condom. " Which clearly is no lie we discover later.

The room is down the elevator and back up the stairs. R200 at the counter. Again led by the hand, we find our room.

Standing by the bed she faces me and does the full on liquid brown eyes and we kiss a bit. She then turns around and I untie her top. This BFGF part is very sexy and I love when girls do it. It's the first exposure to her tits and they are spectacular BeeCups. Super fine. We get her skirt off as well and then she undoes my buttons and belt. I love being undressed and she is very sexy doing it.

After showers she puts me on my back, straddles me, and sexily crawls up me till we are face to face and plants a strong kiss on me. Love kissing her. She lies fully on top of me, naked junk to lady parts. Gets me rather hard just moving our hips.

Then like a sexy cat she crawls back down and takes me in her mouth, never breaking eye contact. And she is VERY good downstairs. Top one or two of the trip. Lots of licking while giving the doe eyes. Plenty of BLS. A nice buffet of blowjob. Fortunately her being the tenth (ish) fuck of the trip I have plenty of stamina and don't threaten a stack-blowing despite her skills.

Now it's her turn as I turn her on her back. I start by just kissing her deeply but then work down to those spectacular tits. She doesn't get the mega hard nipples like Joana the prior night but she seems to respond in a basic way. Now it's time to move on down.

I take my time going there hoping to get her worked up. When I reach the goal I start some really good tongue work. Her clit is a bit covered so I push up the surrounding flesh to get better access (learned this recently). But despite this, the response is pretty demure. At five or so minutes in, I think she is bored and maybe I should stop. But I do something right and get a little breath intake and head grab. So I keep at it. Sure enough she is just a super slow build.

I spend quite some time working on her as she slow-builds. The magic ticket tho is when I work my index finger inside and curl it back to her Gspot. Using both tongue and fingers is getting her super hot and bothered. I start to feel a small wave and then a huge bucking wave of pussy clamps. Don't know that I've felt that strong a reaction inside a pussy ever before. Made me feel great that I could get her off like that.

Afterwards she just lies fully spent just staring up at me with something like admiration or gratitude. This was no act. She is like a limp wet fish so completely satisfied. But she wants to reciprocate so does a bit more BJ then she grabs the condom and starts riding cowgirl. What a sight! Perfect tits pressed together. Sometimes she'll throw her head back and put her arms back and lean back, just letting go. Fuck she is a stunner -- like a 9. 5.

She switches to RCG which I don't usually prefer but she does a great job. After a while I move her to her back and plunge into Mish. This is really really good. Lots of Mish kissing but she seems to like it best when she buried her face in my neck and wraps her legs strong around me. This is so fine I think I may cum in Mish which I love. But it fades.

In the end, we roll over and lose the condom and she works me by mouth. She has to use every trick in the book and is down at least another ten minutes maybe more. Spectacular climax with ten minutes left on the room.

So we shower, I get her number (ALWAYS do this with Brasileiras) and later get some model-level pics the next day via WhatsApp. Wow what a girl![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2389985]Scandallo is my favorite place in the entire world. You can go back some pages and read my full reports but a couple quick tips.

1. If you order Jack and Coke they charge you for the Jack and the Coke separately. USD $27 (It you drink it neat instead you can save some bucks).

2. If you go up by the stage on the right there is a little step you can stand on there. 80% of the garotas do a cycle where they pass by there. Great for shopping!.[/QUOTE]Great tips especially #2 tip.

Went there 3 times before 7 pm everyday= Entry with in and out privilege is 150 reales consumables, then after 7 pm is 250 reales with 150 consumables.

Going to miss their 10th anniversary this Tuesday. Could easily be 200 garotas as I estimate over a hundred in evenings.

Visited at noon and was pleasantly surprised with Free Fejoido (spl?) For lunch with a over a dozen garotas.

At 4 pm a wonderful live patio sertenajo music show under the cool sunny afternoon with over 3 dozen garotas.

Upstairs room reception will exchange 1 usd = 3. 1 reales.

My Garota de Programa accepted half reales and half usd once she understood the conversion rate off venue is 1 usd=3. 9 reales.

Couches sprinkled throughout facilitated easy quiet conversation / interview.

A few obvious sharks but I just dismiss them respectfully.

I set up shop a few blocks from Scandallo and would go in and out to take my power naps.

I was just back from Frankfurt FKK. = I wish they had massage and sauna here and sprinkled with Unclothed natives.

Arrived a little too early and decided to chill at bar / sauna "Balinearo"? Between Bar Casarao and Bar-Bare (American Bar).

Ended up staying until daylight. Rodrigo the door barker had let me in for free a day before to check out the talent.

20 reales entrance card about 2 beer equivalent.

Caipirinhas at 30 reales for the garota. They received (Just like Tijuana Mexico Hongkong Bar Fichas) tickets at equivalent of 20 reales for the girl and 10 reales for the house.

About a dozen garotas which are somewhat the castoffs of Casarao.

Tried out Grabieli wearing jeans for 150 reales and after a nice session she came out with evening dress and makeup that made her a few points prettier.

As you walk downstairs.

To the right has sauna that I did not explore.

Bar to the right with piped music from bartenders phone.

An unused strip pole to the left. And seats and tables and long table for a dozen folks.

Further down another area with outside smoking hall. Restrooms. Lockers. Massage table area. Rooms, and 2 open shower stalls.

A few caipirinhas later with a couple of garotas and no Metro subway running till 5 am, I was very happy and satisfied to get 2 hour nap and professional massage from 1 of 2 therapist named Lurdinha.

At 150 reales for 1 hour which turned in 2 hrs.

Thanks Lurdinha I will be back for your massage.

When I opened my eyes she was actually naked from waist up and made it more interesting as she brushed up (more like massage my balls and Pica and whole body with cream.

Definitely a" hole In the wall" BAR Reminiscent of my stomping ground of rough at edges TiJuana Bars.

I have planned a trip to Sao Paulo and will be there during Republic Day on Friday the 15th. Will all of the clinicas and Scandallo be closed on this day? I know it's a public holiday so not sure if all of these spots will be closed. Hope not!

Finally found Tangara Clinica. Behind high walls at a quiet neighborhood. Got buzzed in.

Inside left structure for reception / waiting room and bedrooms. Structure to the right are where the Garotas de Programa would hang out prior to individually introducing themselves to clients.

This place is run quite efficiently with a couple of friendly house madams, cashier, cleaning lady and a few more associates.

Male associate shows a list of about 24 names, their availability and pricing structure.

120 reales for 30.

170 per hour.

Saw about 8 garotas.

Befriended another waiting Brazilian monger who convinced me to check out another Casa a few residential houses down at 55 via marina. A 1 minute walk.

55 VIA Marina has 2 garotas available out of 5+.

Nice reception / waiting area.

An in house hairstylist.

We both declined and parted ways while I headed back to Tangara.

Met 4 more new garotas and picked Eloise.

Nice cheap session. Good bang for my buck!

Paid reception after the deed with 100 usd and got 280 reales in change as they agreed to exchange my dollars at 1 usd to 4 reales prior to selecting my 30 minute girlfriend. Best rate! Ever.

Eloise says 50 reales more for anal. She had with her (Diary of Anne Frank) book which she will finish this week.

I am glad she finished me first.

Serious question: it seems that most working brasileiras give BBBJ whereas in other Latin countries (Colombia, Mexico) the standard is covered BJ's. My question to all of you is, aren't why'all worried about catching some STD? I know it feels better to get head without a condom but if you think about how many wieners these girl suck daily, the odds are not good in terms of being exposed to something. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, hpv warts. Some of these girls likely have STDs without even knowing it and same goes for men. What do y'all think of this?

Brazil Sex Diary 191113.

I arrived Sao Paulo, and a company car – a White Suburban with 6 seats and a back area – picked me up with my security detail. We are having a company ball on Saturday at the Marriot Rennaissaince in downtown SP. I am taking as a date a porn star. I may double book, because that is the best policy in Brazil, and if both show, then have a dupla, or give the men some pussy. I will ask Paty Carioca, and a porn star to be identified later.

If you are an American and want to come to the company ball at the Rennaissance on Saturday, it starts at 18 h, and goes through 24 h. Cost is $80 USD. Message me if you want to come and party. Deets by PM.

I booked online a hotel, Motel Love Story. It is 17 USD a night. It is in bela vista, close to the university.

The hard part is always getting a local chip registered (cadastrar). I tried a banco jornal, but as always, the locals are fucking stupid.

My buddy, Jazz Duro, a porn producer will be in Sao Paulo on about 26 November.

Professionals study logistics, amateurs study sex, real insiders study personnel. Walking down the street, I got a number of a south African working girl (by her dress). It was as +27 number. Super hot. I will bang her later. I love me some Negras.

Now, at 17 h local, my plan is to uber or subway down to ceci to get oriented, and to subway back. I whatsapped Rovnak, and am trying to get in touch with ABG, but don't have his number. Please PM me.

Let the games begin.

The numbers seem to be down in the clinicas compared to my last trip early last year or is it that more blokes are doing sessions in the rooms so less girls available for viewing, can't really tell.

Anyhoo, to anyone interested in getting a professional massage from a working girl I highly recommend Barbara at Abbobora who gave me an excellent massage after the deed, untied all the muscular knots, speaks a little English. Mamasan told me that Abbobora will be closed on Friday due to public holiday.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2391968]Serious question: it seems that most working brasileiras give BBBJ whereas in other Latin countries (Colombia, Mexico) the standard is covered BJ's. My question to all of you is, aren't why'all worried about catching some STD? I know it feels better to get head without a condom but if you think about how many wieners these girl suck daily, the odds are not good in terms of being exposed to something. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, hpv warts. Some of these girls likely have STDs without even knowing it and same goes for men. What do y'all think of this?[/QUOTE]There's a whole thread in this. And this probably belongs there. Plenty of discussion over the years.

The short answer is the odds of the guy catching something are very low but non zero. For me, since I don't have a significant other sex partner I don't have to worry about "bringing something home" that is hard to explain. Still I had a full panel run and after over 100 BBBJs with different girls completely clean. Shit I don't even have HSV1 which like a billion people have.

So, I spent the night with a all time favorite who has a huge carioca clit -- she made the trip to meet me in SP. I banged her hot Meier ass about 5 times, until she gaped. She's letting me cum in her, and I did enjoy her fertile pussy.

We ended up at an all night, all you can eat sushi place that ABG introduced me to, and I will give it review here as the best sushi of the world. It is [URL]tako.com.br[/URL].

We are here recharging. The only thing I can honestly say would be better is to bring my own cold 2 liter water. They charge by the bottle, and by the tea here.

That said, Brazil is a land where porn dreams do come true.

On pricing:

The love motel where we are staying -- Motel Love Story -- was 17 USD / night, booked online on [URL]kayak.com[/URL], [URL]booking.com[/URL], etc. Location chosen for proximity to university. If one knows the social structure of Brazil, one knows that the richest, best looking brazilians go to certain universities with certain religious background. Those are all the clues I will leave. Except that I also am competing with Israelis for the very best Brazilian pussy. If you can't beat them, join them.

Around the corner, a high rise offers a private room for $1800 r / month. This is halfway to the sushi place, which at night even I will take uber to, but in day, is quite walkable.

Attention management: Please don't offend your contributors with these adult search pop ups! I know you need the money, but you need our writing and work.

Now, that said.

Hey Alto Bom Gosto. PM me.

Doing overnight with a all time favorite who came over from rio. Beautiful woman. Will post some pics. I have no business doing her. But, it's a mutual thing. Great night.

191114.

Vagabundo1 took a break from the Brazil wife to head over to a classic SP clinica, Brooklin.

Address is on gpguia, search for Brooklin Clinica, reception whatsapp.

I sessioned with Carol, a recommendation from a local I met. She is a solid performer, MILF, Morena Clara, one kid. 200 r for the hour.

A company office is nearby, and my security guys stay there. I also have been chatting with ISG buddies. PM me to be added to a group for current intel. Thadmax and I are planning on Scandallo later. It's good to hear from old mongering buddies on ISG.

We have a company party at the Marriot Rennaissance downtown SP on Saturday, 18 h-24 h. Americans please let me know if you want to swing by. I plan on asking a few Brazilian pro and semi-pro's to come by. Should be fun. As with all mongering (see my report on POA a few years back) sex is a necessary, but not sufficient, part of being happy as a guy. Carol blew me and fucked as well as any clinica GDP, but it was kind of a check the box, since, sitting in a clinica reception without banging a girl is obviously a bad move. Having trustworthy friends in a city is the most important thing, and those are the friends from the company.

The Brazil wife wants my kids for the benefits that come with it, and I'm glad to pump my nads into her pretty pussy for her. Plus, she's a beautiful woman, and I love fucking her, but that can be said of many women.

Life is a beautiful thing, and it is better in Brazil than anywhere. Here in Brooklin Clinica, there are packs of Brazileiros, Italians, all in town for the Formula 1 racing in Interlagos on Sunday.

Vagabundo1, out.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2392324]Snip. We ended up at an all night, all you can eat sushi place that ABG introduced me to, and I will give it review here as the best sushi of the world. It is [URL]tako.com.br[/URL].

Snip. The love motel where we are staying -- Motel Love Story -- was 17 USD / night, booked online on [URL]kayak.com[/URL], [URL]booking.com[/URL], etc. Location chosen for proximity to university. If one knows the social structure of Brazil, one knows that the richest, best looking brazilians go to certain universities with certain religious background. Those are all the clues I will leave. Except that I also am competing with Israelis for the very best Brazilian pussy. If you can't beat them, join them. Snip[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. After trying to find it on Google, the love motel is actually Hotel Story, at Rua Luis Porrio, 437 - Bela Vista. Love Story is a nightclub about 1/2 mile north of the hotel. Tako restaurant is about a mile west of the hotel, at Rua the Gloria 746, Liberdade. Is the university Universidade Presbiteriana Mackenzie?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2392650]Thanks for the info. After trying to find it on Google, the love motel is actually Hotel Story, at Rua Luis Porrio, 437 - Bela Vista. Love Story is a nightclub about 1/2 mile north of the hotel. Tako restaurant is about a mile west of the hotel, at Rua the Gloria 746, Liberdade. Is the university Universidade Presbiteriana Mackenzie?[/QUOTE]Sorry, meant to write south east of the hotel.

The Brazil wife, I have taken to calling her "Maria" and she has taken to calling me "Robert" because I carry a copy of For Whom the Bell Tolls with me, and I read it to her, and she reads it to me. Somewhat befitting Hotel Story. She met me when I got back tonight, after trying to link up at Scandallo with a ISG contact, who shall remain nameless. The trick to getting in the mental loop of a brasileira is understanding that the majority of Brazilians are conceived in love motels like Malaga in Rio, or this cheap (by american standards) place, that is Hotel Story. Maria is from a lower middle class family in Curitiba. She moved to Rio in 2015 to make it in the world of selling her body for money, not unlike the Maria of For Whom the Bell Tolls is raped literally; the lower class in Brazil -- IE, anyone but the super rich top 10% -- have very few avenues out of their economic status.

As a reliable ISG buddy, aznsafado -- actually I've forgotten his exact ISG callsign -- once put it while we were sitting in a university in Rio, "Going for that (super hot morena clara student) is like hitting a home run. We need to be hitting singles and doubles consistently. I am interested in the semi-pro's." Maria was kind of a project for me. I've helped her with education, but I'm not the only benefactor. That said, she says she prefers me. The key as with many things is not giving a damn. My people will help her with cash for her degree. I have, along with a few others, made her into a semi-pro.

We listen to Felipe Ret, and Capital Inicial -- we sing it out loud together, just like in Verandas Sao Clemente in Botafogo, overlooking Rua Bambina.

The majority of Brazilians grow up in places too crowded by rich country standards to start a family and live in those favelas until the age of 30. They prize things like being organized in the things they carry in packs to love motels to get away for a night or a week. We have a few back packs with swim fins and scuba masks packed for boating in Paraty. Sometimes, that as good as life gets, and it's pretty damn good in Brazil.

After the ISG no show at Scandallo, I walked up the street to a 24 h ATM at a gas station, and talked shop with two polcia militar, got their numbers. The doorman at Scandallo had advised going to Villa Madelena, or perhaps it is Vila Magdalena, for lots of street action, maybe like Villa Mimosa in Rio. I asked the local cops, and they said Vila Madelena is a bit sketchy, with some armed robbings of cars. They said that Liberdade is fine, that as long as it has good cell coverage it is safe, an interesting insight. We talked a bit about whacking sh*theads with an app on a android phone for the company. I threw cards at them, and asked them to pass along the contact for their interested friends. Then I headed back to Tako for another round of sushi.

The attendant at Brooklin said that our man in SP, Alto Bom Gosto, hasn't been there for quite some time. We wish him well.

I sat outside Scandallo after the ISG member blew me off for a few minutes earlier. Judging by the 5 or so girls I saw, the talent level is not all that great -- a skinny loira with nice tits, maybe a 7 in Rio; a few plainly fat morenas. None of them were close to the top tier girls at 4 x4 or some of the Rio termas.

Now on the good news side, 4 x4 reopens Monday.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2392650]Thanks for the info. After trying to find it on Google, the love motel is actually Hotel Story, at Rua Luis Porrio, 437 - Bela Vista. Love Story is a nightclub about 1/2 mile north of the hotel. Tako restaurant is about a mile west of the hotel, at Rua the Gloria 746, Liberdade. Is the university Universidade Presbiteriana Mackenzie?[/QUOTE]

Apologies in advance for the non-putaria question, but do any of you expats know where football might be televised that week? They'll put it on in the lobby of the hotel if I ask, but if there is an expat bar, that might be more fun. Doesn't much matter where.

Jib Reach.

I'm missing out of something? Does all mongers have a security detail? Or is just Vips and frangos?

[QUOTE=Sperto;2392915]I'm missing out of something? Does all mongers have a security detail? Or is just Vips and frangos?[/QUOTE]Chickens. Like bird chickens? LOL.

Just the important ones have a security detail- of a few good men. It's a lifelong family I joined when I was a teen, and they will be my brothers until the day I die. Come by the Marriot Rennaissance in SP between 18 h-24 h, today, 16 November, and I will be glad to introduce you. Cost is $80 USD.

Picking up where I left off yesterday.

It's a rainy day on the uber trip from Bela Vista to Miruna Clinica (av Miruna 644, Moema). Now, at 50, Vagabundo1 is neither a kid, nor an old man. At 50, Hemingway was a accomplished author with 11 years to live – today, a man could live another 50, or 200 years, but at what cost, and would it be worth it?

Miruna (Av Miruna 644, Moema) is top shelf in SP clinicas. The owner of Miruna wifed up Kamila Werneck, a porn star, to whom he gave a clinica down the street (Av Moaci 885, Moema). Porn stars regularly sell their pussies at Miruna. That said, Vagabundo prefers his putas be Negras or mulatas, and there are none here so far.

It should be spring in Brazil, but it would be hard to tell by the weather.

The ride on uber juntos from Bela Vista to Moema runs 13 r, which is 3 dollars.

Vagabundo packed too heavy by far. 3 laptops, including two Macbook Air 11 (MBA11), each of which is a veteran of years of trips to Brazil. A third is back in the states, needing only a new battery to be perfectly functional. FWIW, a apple patch with Velcro on the back makes a good all humanity peace symbol – I'm just a techie photographer.

Miruna has 7 girls. Top shelf! Juliana, CLéo are notable. All better than Brooklin.

Here are a few highlights of the rest of the day:

The normal Moema Padaria is closed, but there is a burger joint at av Moaci. For the all important post fuck meal. Brazilians doing processed pub fast food. Normal padaria os closed today.

6:10 PM, 11/15/2019: Going to Ceci CLínica perto são judas metro.

6:12 PM, 11/15/2019 ISG member: Any of these clinicas that you have sessioned at so far have real beds versus massage tables or mats on the floor?

6:33 PM, 11/15/2019: CLínica ceci 9 girls, no negras or morenas.

6:37 PM, 11/15/2019 J: I need some negra buceta e cuzinha.

6:38 PM, 11/15/2019: Então: vou pra ponte de rua, talvez vila Madalena.

6:58 PM, 11/15/2019: Plan be: [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com[/URL] search for negras in SP; Plan see: pontos de rua, eg, vila madalena. I am going via metro, from Metro Sao Judas, to Metro Liberdade. I have found that when one gets comfortable on the metro in a brazilian city, the whole world of super budget buttman backpacker mongering opens up. And I was john staglianos.

6:59 PM, 11/15/2019: lawyer. So, I sit here in Ceci, and I am heading out into the sampa night.

7:00 PM, 11/15/2019: By the way, I recommend to those who care, like ISG Sunkistday, that on a business card, one should have: a brazilian whatsapp number; a nick (nick name) for gpguia, and for [URL]internationalsexguide.info[/URL]. The brazilians will see you as good business, and you will get better service.

7:02 PM, 11/15/2019: [URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/forum2015/viewforum.php?f=36[/URL].

7:08 PM, 11/15/2019 ISG member: Metro and buses I've actually done in SP.

7:08 PM, 11/15/2019 ISG member: Not for the faint of heart.

7:09 PM, 11/15/2019: be the hunter, not the hunted. I have a few negras from photoaccompanhantes. I love banging Maria, the Brazil wife, but we've done so many threesomes in our days. She knows I need me some negra.

7:10 PM, 11/15/2019: hey a doable girl at ceci just strolled by.

7:10 PM, 11/15/2019 going to do her.

3:36 AM, 11/16/2019: Had a great night. Ended up at a place on Rua Augusta where the entrance was $20 r for each person. I went with Maria, and danced, and fucked around, actually she picked chicks, and I got their numbers, watched strippers (around 1 AM, a few top tier strippers entertain). Generally had a great night of italian food at a spot in Moema.

3:37 AM, 11/16/2019: The only black girl I've seen in SP so far was in Casarao. The girls are asking 700 r to leave, which is crazy. But the entrada is 20 r or 40 r, and my hotel is very proximate to cesaro on rua augusta. There's good nightlife for a stroll with your girl. A good time was had.

3:39 AM, 11/16/2019 cesarao: Good to know it's still going strong.

3:40 AM, 11/16/2019 cesarao: You can session on site.

3:41 AM, 11/16/2019: it's definitely a smooth move to show up with a girl who is both into you, and who you are into, and who genuinely enjoys checking out other chicks. Most of the night, we were grabbing girls and asking their prices, while also grabbing each others asses, and I her tits, and making out. Now that is a cool vibe, which I really enjoyed.

3:41 AM, 11/16/2019 ISG member: I hope they added new rooms.

3:42 AM, 11/16/2019 ISG member: You took the 'wife'?

3:43 AM, 11/16/2019: I didn't need a room as I had a girl an my room was nearby.

3:43 AM, 11/16/2019: yep.

3:43 AM, 11/16/2019 ISG member: Which hotel?

3:43 AM, 11/16/2019: she's a player.

3:43 AM, 11/16/2019: hotel story.

3:49 AM, 11/16/2019 ISG member: If you like EDM, you can pop over to Love Story near Consolacao.

8:18 AM, 11/16/2019: EDM?

8:22 AM, 11/16/2019.

Caserao,

Rua Augusta, 787.

Consolação.

São Paulo. SP.

01305-100.

Brazil.

8:25 AM, 11/16/2019:20 r / cover + consumption. 30 r / each. Taking a girl who loves fucking you and asks other girls to Fick you to a strip club / priceless.

8:25 AM, 11/16/2019 : *fuck.

8:29 AM, 11/16/2019 : Yea Brooklin and Ceci.

8:37 AM, 11/16/2019 : Skyn is best brand of local condom.

8:38 AM, 11/16/2019 : Almost all things can be bought local. That is one item Sunkistday was neurotically obsessing over.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2392915]Does all mongers have a security detail? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2392594]191114.

Vagabundo1 took a break from the Brazil wife to head over to a classic SP clinica, Brooklin.

Address is on gpguia, search for Brooklin Clinica, reception whatsapp.

I sessioned with Carol, a recommendation from a local I met. She is a solid performer, MILF, Morena Clara, one kid. 200 r for the hour. Snip.[/QUOTE]I recall they raised it to 230 real when I was there in February. Seems they lowered it back. Price increase must have affected business.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2393138]I recall they raised it to 230 real when I was there in February. .[/QUOTE]I was there last week and the price per hour is 250 reais.

I put it on the Map.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1DojPORpBnrYUtX74_Y4YoRK0kEJ1BzbU&ll=-23.601188921170447%2C-46.70205444958333&z=12[/URL]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2392650]Thanks for the info. After trying to find it on Google, the love motel is actually Hotel Story, at Rua Luis Porrio, 437 - Bela Vista. Love Story is a nightclub about 1/2 mile north of the hotel. Tako restaurant is about a mile west of the hotel, at Rua the Gloria 746, Liberdade. Is the university Universidade Presbiteriana Mackenzie?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2393102]........... That said, Vagabundo prefers his putas be Negras or mulatas, and there are none here so far.................[/QUOTE]We probably have different ideas of what a Mulatta looks like; I suspect you like them closer to the Negra side like Taje (?) of Enjoy.

It was 200 r / 1 h yesterday.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2393183]I was there last week and the price per hour is 250 reais.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2393441]It was 200 r / 1 h yesterday.[/QUOTE]You must pay the gpguia discount. For people who post on Gpguia. That discount isn't available to everyone. 250/ HR at Brooklin. 220/ HR at Kin.

I was recently in Sao Paulo and had the knock out experience of having Juju 3 x. She's 25, slim and pretty; a little exotic. I've rarely had a girl that enthusiastic about all types of sex. Best blowjob I've had in SP. She likes to service couples. Her bright and positive personality which makes you feel relaxed from the first moment. She's the only girl I've done oral on. After the action she'll give a great massage which felt great after sitting on planes for 15 hours. A smart and pleasant conversationalist. Will definitely repeat.

I did tell them I post on GPGuia, and they made me fill out a card; I filled out ISG on the card, and they still gave it to me.

Must also be my good looks, huge see&ck, and impeccable portuguese. Kkk.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2393496]You must pay the gpguia discount. For people who post on Gpguia. That discount isn't available to everyone. 250/ HR at Brooklin. 220/ HR at Kin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2393496]You must pay the gpguia discount. For people who post on Gpguia. That discount isn't available to everyone. 250/ HR at Brooklin. 220/ HR at Kin.[/QUOTE]230/ HR Miruna, 250/ HR Enjoy, 260/ HR Abbobora.

Meet Mel from Caribe.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2395465]230/ HR Miruna, 250/ HR Enjoy, 260/ HR Abbobora.[/QUOTE]Its worth it to write a few TDs on Gp-Guia to get the discounts at the clinicas, especially at Clinica Brooklin where its a R50 difference. That's what I'm planning to do in the future. Some clinicas also offer a half price or free session after you have done a certain amount of sessions.

For night action, there is the wallet friendly CasaRao and the wallet busting Scandallo, Bomboa, etc. There are also online options if one want a change of scenery from the clinicas. On average I found twitter girls charge around R300 - R400 per hour and most girls advertising on photoacomp charge around R200 - R300. With online girls, at least my experiences, you got to have a lot of patience and time. Most girls take hours returning messages and I've had a few who did reply back until the next day. I made the mistake of waiting for the replies and wasted a lot of time. Best strategy is to message at least 5 online girls while you are hitting the clinicas during the day and set up meetings either in the late afternoon or the next day. I'll give a very brief report of my experiences with online girls on my last trip.

-GP #1: Twitter girl with pictures of her body only, no face. Body looked great, fit and slim. She had a gorgeous tattoo going from her torso all the way down to the thigh. R300/ hour. Took the metro then walked to her place in Vila Olimpia. When she opened the door, I was a bit disappointed with her face. She was a lot older than I imagined, in her 30's and had a lot of makeup on. Her body however matched up to her twitter pics. What she lacked in looks she made it up in the bed. She was attentive and knew how to take care a man, was in no rush at all. Massage, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, FIV. Didn't do anal as that's not my thing. Was fucking her in missionary with lots of DFK but I was still losing my hard on because I was not turned on by her average looks so I asked for doggy. When she flipped around, I saw her pussy covered in white pussy cream and I was instantly aroused and got my hard on back!

-GP #2: Photoacomp girl with pictures of her body only as well, no face. R300/ hour. She was one of a few girls who replied instantly. Asked her to come over to my flat. She asked what I want her to dress in. I told her leggings and tennis shoes. She sent me a pic before she left her place asking me if the cloth looked ok to me. When I went down my building entrance to get her, I was blown away by how pretty she was. She completely surpassed all my expectations. She was a bit quiet but super affectionate and cooperative. She had a great all natural slim body. Again, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, FIV. Was fucking in CG and it was so intense and passionate. We were holding onto each other so tightly it literally felt like we fused together. After sex we talked a bit and she mentioned she's stressed from her baby and family. So I gave her a nice massage and she in return gave me one as well.

Repeated with her a couple days later and this time I asked her to come dressed in dress and heels.

-GP #3: Photoacomp girl with pics of face. R250/ hour. Told her there are a lot of fakes on photoacomp and asked her if her pics are real. She stated yes. When I arrived at her building I had to wait 15 minutes because she was still getting her hair done. After I finally when up and saw her, she was not the same girl as in pic. When I confronted her, she made the excuse that her hair now look different. I told her she's not the same girl and told her I was leaving. She demanded R50. After a couple minutes of argument, I caved in as she was blocking the door preventing me from leaving. As soon as I got out, I went on photoacomp and denounced her Ad, which was pulled from the website a couple days later. She was not bad looking and I could of stayed and sessioned with her but I hate being deceived.

-GP #4: Another Photoacomp girl with pics of face, 8/10. R200/ hour. I was waiting all day in my flat after messaging several girls and she was the only one who replied. Again, I asked her if her pics are real and she told me yes. Set up a late afternoon meet at her flat. When she opened the door, she was not the girl in the pic. So I immediately turned around and left. Again, she's was not bad looking but the thought of being deceived ruined my mood.

-GP #5: Twitter girl with pics of body only, no face. This one advertised herself as BBW. R200/ hour. Her flat was in the same building as GP #3 so I went not knowing what to expect. This girl was absolutely amazing! Super chilled and cheerful. A true BBW with melon sized titties. She called her "fat" as "bacon" and she's very proud of her "bacon" LOL. Spent well over 1. 5 hours with her. Her BJ skills were amazing, super sloppy (had me sit on a towel and place another one on the ground). She deep throated my dick and sucked my balls into her mouth at the same time!!

She is another one I repeated days later. I bought her a box of chocolate from Pao de Acucar that was on sale for her birthday and she was elated. This time I spend 3 hours with her and she did not once rush me. When I left, I gave her an extra R40 (that's all the cash I had brought with me). She was so grateful. She's truly a one of a kind special person. I will post her twitter info later and if any one wants her number directly, just PM me. I wholeheartedly recommend her.

-GP #6: Photoacomp girl with pics of face, super cute and slim. R180/ hour. Her flat was in Moema. She replied fairly quickly. She had a roommate and she asked if I wanted a threesome but I said no. Her flat was very nice and clean. So much so that I asked the doorman for rental info. She looked exactly like the pics she posted (her photos on photoacomp are verified. I was going to ask her how exactly photoacomp verify but I ended up forgetting both times). She was quiet and reserved. She has some restrictions, no DFK, no licking of boobs and no anal. Normally I am turned off by girls with restrictions but I was super attracted to her and she allowed DATY, rimming, and multiple positions without any complaining. Repeated with her a second time as well, just because it was so damn cheap. Good value for the money.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2397329]Its worth it to write a few TDs on Gp-Guia to get the discounts at the clinicas, especially at Clinica Brooklin where its a R50 difference. That's what I'm planning to do in the future. Some clinicas also offer a half price or free session after you have done a certain amount of sessions.

............[/QUOTE]You seem to be having a great time in SP; nevertheless, our styles are different. Before I arrived in SP I thought I should try Scandallo, Bomboa, etc. or escorts but over 7 weeks on I have not done so. I have not done escorts, twitter, etc. because very nervous of committing to a session with someone I have not met in the flesh. I do plan on visiting Scandallo before I return home just to see what the hullabaloo is about.

I have been having a great time at the clinicas except for Wednesday though when I started in Abbobora and chose pretty Agatha who did not display typical Brazilian passion in the room, lack lustre DFK was followed with lacklustre BBBJ and DATY. FS was so so so I thought I'd not nut and save that for someone else. Walked over to Miruna and was caught in a downpour on the way. Chose spinner Maria and banged to my hearts delight but could not come for lack of optics, probably made a bad choice and should have chosen mulatta Juliana instead (will check her out soon). Then in drizzle made my way to Enjoy and had my first really bad session this trip. Chose Bianca, no DFK, no DATY (am I in Brazil?) Without DFK I could not get hard so settled to finish in BBBJ but she would not allow CIM (or COB!), bummer. Jinxed Wednesday.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2397503]You seem to be having a great time in SP; nevertheless, our styles are different. Before I arrived in SP I thought I should try Scandallo, Bomboa, etc. or escorts but over 7 weeks on I have not done so. I have not done escorts, twitter, etc. because very nervous of committing to a session with someone I have not met in the flesh. I do plan on visiting Scandallo before I return home just to see what the hullabaloo is about.[/QUOTE]You've read the posts of other experienced mongers such as myself. You already know what the hullabaloo is all about. It's just that a monger like you doesn't want to pay those prices. And you're happy with the quality of the overall talent at the clinicas for the price you're paying. I would like to pay clinica prices too! But, I choose to pay more in order to have access to women who I find to be so much more attractive overall than what the clinicas have to offer on average. That and I think that you just don't enjoy the nightclub scene as much as you do going to a clinica. Different kind of mongers is all. I predict that one day you will go to Scandallo (you should), but will then go right back to heavily patronizing the clinicas.

Reading your guys reports about Scandallo, specifically reports by Steve and The Cane, have given me flashbacks about the place. I have been to Scandallo 4 times in total, the last time being January 2017. I could write a book about my experiences in that club. The first time I was there, I took for granted how awesome it was. I will never forget how I felt after going through security and walking through the entrance doors for the first time. The "kid in a candy store" analogy that someone here mentioned was spot on for me. Getting a tour of the club by one of the managers there, who spoke perfect English, I felt like a VIP. I had arrived with a friend, and we were both grinning from ear to ear the whole tour.

I will recount one specific 5 minute segment I had during my first visit to Scandallo. This was probably the hottest thing a girl has ever done to me. It was a Tuesday night in January 2016, the time was a quarter before 4 AM, and I was starting my 3rd hour with my girl. (Note: The first 2 hours we were in a suite, the third hour we were in a regular room) I was exhausted, but at that time I was not sure I would ever come back, so I decided to make the most out of it. We had just undressed, and I told her to put on some music before we start again. So she goes to where the controls are and puts on some popular radio music.

I head to the bed to wait for her, but just before she comes her phone starts ringing. Apparently it was her Mom calling. So she takes the phone call, and I get up from the bed and start dancing to the music. Her conversation lasts about a minute before she hangs up. I am still dancing. Somehow, during one of my dance moves, I bang the back of my right knee against the side of the bed, sending a sharp pain through my leg and causing me to fall backwards on the bed. My girl is concerned and asks if I am OK and I say I'm fine. I lie there for a little bit, laughing at myself for how clumsy I was. (I would find out the next day I had a bruise where the impact was. Nothing bad, just some black and blue.).

I eventually compose myself and lift my upper body and prop my weight on my forearms. I was surprised to see my girl at the edge of the bed, a seductive look on her face. We make eye contact, and she starts crawling towards me. When our faces are about a few feet apart, she takes a finger, presses it against my chest, and applies some light pressure. I obey and lay back down. She starts kissing me, starting at my neck and making her way down, where she gives me a BBBJ for probably the 5th time that night.

Many fellow mongers have said this before, and I'll say it again: I truly believe every monger should visit Scandallo at least one time in their life. Yes, there are ugly girls there. Yes, the club is very expensive, and you can have sessions elsewhere for a fraction of the price. But the whole atmosphere of the place is something that cannot be conveyed properly through words. All I can say is this: If I only had 24 hours to live, I would book the next flight to Sao Paulo and spend one last night living like a king in Scandallo.

I have the opportunity to visit SP Jan 2-7. Unfortunately this is the only time I can get away for a few days.

Will the clinicas be closed / dead? How about the clubs, Twitter, etc? Any advise would be much appreciated.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2397520]......... I predict that one day you will go to Scandallo (you should), but will then go right back to heavily patronizing the clinicas.[/QUOTE]Or maybe in spite of it being the most expensive mongering expedition of my life kick myself with regret for not having gone before and get addicted and begin a string of mongering trips that will eventually bankrupt me.

Since there is a good discussion about Scandallo, I will write about my one time experience there during a recent trip. My intention is not to persuade or dissuade anyone about Scandallo, just my impression of the place.

Went on a Thursday night and paid the R250 entrance fee. This place is huge compared to the likes of 4 x 4 and Casarao. What I love the most is its very spacious and has lots of comfy sofas to relax in. I counted about 100 or so girls, not the 200 girls ISG member Steve9696 reported. The main bar / seating area was packed with girls and male clients. Light skinned girls dominated the scene with only a few japas and mulatas / negras (not sure if I even saw one negra). The majority of the girls were dressed in formal night gowns, very elegant and classy. There was a healthy interaction between the male clients and the girls, drinking, talking, laughing, and just having a good time in general. The vibe and atmosphere were like that of a regular nightclub. With all that being said, to say that I was not impressed by the girls quality is an understatement. I saw exactly one, one girl that I rated an 8 out of 10. The rest were mostly 7's. It was such an letdown. For such an expensive and high end venue, I was expecting to see a healthy selection of 8's and 9's. 4 x 4 in Rio almost always have 3-4 8's and 1-2 9's at half the price of Scandallo. I didn't see one girl that was a "must do" for me but since I already paid the exhortation entrance fee, I thought I better not waste it. I eventually settled on a short slim morena from Bahia, face 7/10. I bought her a drink and we sat on the set of sofas right outside the restaurant and talked a bit. She was a bit timid but very easy to talk to (the girl next door type) and she was not in a rush to get me to session with her. She instantly accepted my initial offer of R600 for an hour. The sex was nothing to write home about. I think she was a newbie to Scandallo with not much sex experience.

I never went back to Scandallo again. There were a couple of reasons: 1) I am not a clubbing person and rarely stay in clubs past 1 or 2 am. 2) I don't drink. 3) the main reason is because of the talent level (or there lack of). The value for money is just not there for me at least. Had Scandallo had a healthy selection of 8's-9's, I would've gladly pay the premium price Scandallo charges. I might go there again on my next trip to give it another chance. I may have hit it on a bad night that Thursday? Who knows. Regardless, clinicas will always be my primary option and online girls my secondary option.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2397816]Or maybe in spite of it being the most expensive mongering expedition of my life kick myself with regret for not having gone before and get addicted and begin a string of mongering trips that will eventually bankrupt me.[/QUOTE]Haha, great post! Funny! Possibly could happen, LOL.

To each their own on seeking PFP.

Me personally, I've been to all the high end clubs in SP.

I've been to lots of CLnicas, mid range clubs and the low end as well.

It's been said before many times, the price of pussy doesn't equate to better pussy, quite often the opposite.

A better venue is what you'll get.

Anyway, sure everyone should check out Scandallo, Photo, etc.

It's an experience.

I have though, without a doubt, found the best, unspoiled PFP in the less luxurious settings.

Both Rio and SP.

When you get them to your place eventually, it doesn't matter where you found them.

I understand the draw of the nice club. Elegant, evening gowns, restaurant inside, etc.

It's cool.

Great to see and experience.

Since I'm in Brazil so frequently, I obviously choose the hunt in the more humble venues, as to not bankrupt myself as Turgid says, LOL.

Plus I find the attitude and pussy better, when I find a newbie to the biz.

Happy holidays to all!

Mel at Caribe.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2397520] Different kind of mongers is all. I predict that one day you will go to Scandallo (you should), but will then go right back to heavily patronizing the clinicas.[/QUOTE]There are certain clinicas that are excellent and have a more consistent service level than Scandallo. It's because the madams keep a close eye on the girls.

But the attitude of the madam is important. Does she really like the customers? Or does she look on them as potential threats who might run off with her girls? Certain madams are absolutely paranoid. If they suspect a girl is getting too close to a guy, they will say something to scare her before the session and put her in a bad mood and then the guy will think it is all the girl's fault.

But the smarter girls are wise to this. If a madam is too controlling, they can move to another clinica. It's a healthy and fluid situation -- not like in Europe, which has grown increasingly monopolistic so that both girls and customers have few choices.

But in Brazil, the supply is decent. If a madam respects her customers, and respects the liberties of her girls, she need never fear attracting fresh talent to her house.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2398133]Mel at Caribe.[/QUOTE]Is Caribe near Casarao? What is the pricing structure there as far a entrance fee and girl fee?

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2398286]Is Caribe near Casarao? What is the pricing structure there as far a entrance fee and girl fee?[/QUOTE]Yep, Caribe is northwest on rua Augusta from Casarao, turn right at the first intersection (if you're walking). Are $20 entrada, girls are negotiable.

Another wild night in Sampa. Mel at Caribe.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2398437]Another wild night in Sampa. Mel at Caribe.[/QUOTE]I must of been so wasted I was holding the phone wrong! GANR!

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2397329].......I'll give a very brief report of my experiences with online girls on my last trip.

..........

-GP #2: Photoacomp girl with pictures of her body only as well, no face. R300/ hour. She was one of a few girls who replied instantly. Asked her to come over to my flat. She asked what I want her to dress in. I told her leggings and tennis shoes. She sent me a pic before she left her place asking me if the cloth looked ok to me. When I went down my building entrance to get her, I was blown away by how pretty she was. She completely surpassed all my expectations. She was a bit quiet but super affectionate and cooperative. She had a great all natural slim body. Again, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, FIV. Was fucking in CG and it was so intense and passionate. We were holding onto each other so tightly it literally felt like we fused together. After sex we talked a bit and she mentioned she's stressed from her baby and family. So I gave her a nice massage and she in return gave me one as well.

Repeated with her a couple days later and this time I asked her to come dressed in dress and heels.

.......

-GP #5: Twitter girl with pics of body only, no face. This one advertised herself as BBW. R200/ hour. Her flat was in the same building as GP #3 so I went not knowing what to expect. This girl was absolutely amazing! Super chilled and cheerful. A true BBW with melon sized titties. She called her "fat" as "bacon" and she's very proud of her "bacon" LOL. Spent well over 1. 5 hours with her. Her BJ skills were amazing, super sloppy (had me sit on a towel and place another one on the ground). She deep throated my dick and sucked my balls into her mouth at the same time!!

She is another one I repeated days later. I bought her a box of chocolate from Pao de Acucar that was on sale for her birthday and she was elated. This time I spend 3 hours with her and she did not once rush me. When I left, I gave her an extra R40 (that's all the cash I had brought with me). She was so grateful. She's truly a one of a kind special person. I will post her twitter info later and if any one wants her number directly, just PM me. I wholeheartedly recommend her.[/QUOTE]

Do you have web links to these girls particularly #2 and #5? Thanks in advance.

I just love the attitude of girl #2. She takes the time to ask you what you want her to wear.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2398435]Yep, Caribe is northwest on rua Augusta from Casarao, turn right at the first intersection (if you're walking). Are $20 entrada, girls are negotiable.[/QUOTE]Mel is a hotty. How much was the exit fee to take her out of Caribe? How much did she charge you and how long? It looks like she stayed over.

Someone mentioned the madams at clinicas; man, that madam at Tangara is such a sweetheart. In my first visit to Abbobora this trip the madam there treated me like a long lost best friend, hugs and kisses. The madams at SP clinicas (except Enjoy) are among the best in the world in terms of how they treat clients. Today I sessioned Polly (? spelling) at Abbobora, I rate her a solid 8. Right up there with the best that can be found at FKKs. She was a bit economical with DFK but no worries I made up the shortfall with lots of BBBJ supplemented with DATY and FS in various positions coming to the sound of krumping music blasting from her cell phone, not the best for me but I allow the girls their thrills.

Going to Casarao with a girl is fun. Only 30 each entrada (including a water).

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2398435]Yep, Caribe is northwest on rua Augusta from Casarao, turn right at the first intersection (if you're walking). Are $20 entrada, girls are negotiable.[/QUOTE]

These are the kind of brancas I like to go to So Paulo to butt fuck. Found at Scandallo and Cafe Photo respectively. You don't find too many who look like this in the clinicas. At least I don't. And they both took it in the ass well, especially the redhead.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2398787]Going to Casarao with a girl is fun. Only 30 each entrada (including a water).[/QUOTE]Next I imagine you'll tell us you also take sand to the beach! Sorry, I don't get it! Who takes a date to a *****house? Seems like that's already been taken care of! IMHO!

P.S. Can't get my head around guys who take dates to strip clubs! SMDH!

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2398932]Next I imagine you'll tell us you also take sand to the beach! Sorry, I don't get it! Who takes a date to a *****house? Seems like that's already been taken care of! IMHO!

P.S. Can't get my head around guys who take dates to strip clubs! SMDH![/QUOTE]In my experience, it is an almost foolproof way to do a threesome. You let the girl choose the puta, and there are no complaints. Works for me 90% of the time (the other 10% of the time, the girl complains that you paid too much attention to the GDP).

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2398932]Next I imagine you'll tell us you also take sand to the beach! Sorry, I don't get it! Who takes a date to a *****house? Seems like that's already been taken care of! IMHO!

P.S. Can't get my head around guys who take dates to strip clubs! SMDH![/QUOTE]You really can tell the guys here who have to pay for it.

How about this: You meet a woman to whom you are attracted intellectually or maybe you are attracted to her because she is a skilled professional but she is inexperienced when it comes to the bedroom. One of the fastest ways to get her where she needs to be is to find her a mentor and competitor. You guys who are all about just getting off do not realize what fun this can all be. Seeing a woman go from librarian to sexual goddess warms my heart. And, you will have done something for which she will be forever grateful. Very, grateful.