East China - Shanghai

For those who read Chinese or watch local news, the LE of Shanghai had announced a major concerted crackdown on traffic law violations. You might have noticed the very visible increased police presence on the road. That is long overdue, given the atrocious traffic conditions and reckless disregard of civility, safety and traffic laws by drivers and motorbikes. I know traffics division is separated from vice squads, but I wonder whether this shift in focus might not provide some relief of the recent pressure on sinful places and us mongerers.

BTW, I noticed that the Shanghai thread has now exceeded 10000 posts. Excellent. Onward and forwards. !!

With the passing of time comes reflection, perspective and further insight. Let me first of all thank the resident seniors who were so kind to reach out with support and request for more details. Although I wanted to keep it short and general, the follow-on discussion has tended to go a bit off track and I would like to add some further remarks within my limited publicity space (which everyone in my situation would consider as well, thank you).

1. We should not deviate from the real topic and start a long discussion on 'language' issues. The weather format reporting into this forum was not introduced by me, also it was extensively used in general discussions whereby the members had little personal 'skin in the game' if you will. While I liked the creativity of the language and immediately understood its meaning (but that's me and I am not a native speaker), I would not necessarily use it if I could be more open. Also, we should not underestimate the level of intelligence of our diverse member pool. As an aside this was one of the questions during my 'interview' with the weatherman: they wanted to know what my highest education level was (primary school, high school etc).

2. After struggling for a while I decided to go 'public' with my experience, for the sole reason to warn others of real risks. Now given the scarcity of such events (can not remember reading here about a member having same experience) it is easy to brush it off. But this a so-called tail-end risk, rare but with large impact if it happens to you.

3. Exact time / place are not so relevant. It is a bit off center Shanghai and has never before been covered here. Foreigners were rare there as well. After the storm the place was gutted.

4. It was not a lousy small place but rather fancy with good talent.

5. Somehow, something broke down in their operations. I also do not know why they attracted the dedicated attention of the Shanghai specialized weather bureau. Their pre-op intel and handling was excellent and swift. There were no obstacles at the storm site for them!

6. Never have I seen adult males so meekly and small! Being belittled by female school teachers (yeah. Language! One male visitor was ordered by a young female teacher to stand with his face against a wall for over an hour (just like in primary school), just for practice, go figure! Seeing people boarded and hooded was like Gitmo except for the orange jump suits.

7. I was kindly informed that the weather man know how to deal with visitors with listening disabilities, incl. Enlisting help from concerned relatives and work colleagues. Nuff said, you can figure out the festive atmosphere over there!

8. All our personal details were recorded, they especially liked to capture our well groomed faces and fingers.. Also my foreign passport was given ample study time... They complimented me on my visa status..

9. My stay was brief in the sense that it was not overnight (did not bring extra clothes), but still took most of the day. The many others (visitors and staff) were awarded free two weeks lodging!

10. The elephant in the room question is of course why I could only briefly enjoy their hospitality. THIS I can not answer here, but suffice to say I did not break any rules in a technical sense.

11. No offense to others and I do not want to change your behavior, I only wanted to show the other side of things. Hope this can be appreciated on its OWN merits.

As the Germans say : "wer lesen kann ist klar im Vorteil" meaning : those who can read are clearly advantaged !

Stay safe and enjoy the Spring weather!

Hoping to find a MP that does prostate massage-not as something that might be negotiated as an extra, but part of the standard service.

Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1858317]

BTW, I noticed that the Shanghai thread has now exceeded 10000 posts. Excellent. Onward and forwards. !![/QUOTE]There have been much more posts, not only 10000+. I think this is now the 2nd or even 3rd Shanghai thread.

In former times one still could find the closed threads of the past in the China overview, but I guess that Jackson now has finally removed them from the list. Makes sense, as things are very different than before, and many of the infos collected back then are useless, today.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;1858450]With the passing of time comes reflection, perspective and further insight. Let me first of all thank the resident seniors who were so kind to reach out with support and request for more details. Although I wanted to keep it short and general, the follow-on discussion has tended to go a bit off track and I would like to add some further remarks within my limited publicity space (which everyone in my situation would consider as well, thank you).

[/QUOTE]In any event, man, very sorry for what you went through.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;1858450]With the passing of time comes reflection, perspective and further insight. Let me first of all thank the resident seniors who were so kind to reach out with support and request for more details. Although I wanted to keep it short and general, the follow-on discussion has tended to go a bit off track and I would like to add some further remarks within my limited publicity space (which everyone in my situation would consider as well, thank you).

[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing your personal experience.

Though I do not have the un-pleasurable experience of visiting the "weather bureau".

I believe I have heard enough stories inside Shanghai legal circles to talk about this very important issue.

Alright, enough of the metaphors.

First of all, I will start with the legal side on what is supposed to happen if you are caught.

But we should be reminded that rule of law in China is not a well-established concept.

Especially when it comes to administrative penalties or criminal procedure.

So what could really happen can be totally different to what the law or regulation says.

Your experience can vary widely given the political goals of the agency vs the personal needs of the individual officers.

Here is what is supposed to happen:

Anyone caught in a prostitution case is generally subjected to administrative penalties by the PSB aka the police station.

You may be detained up to 15 days and charged a fine of 5,000 RMB, and the police may inform your family / employer.

They may also inform the exit and entry bureau and your Chinese visa would be in jeopardy.

You may be permanently banned from visiting China again, though I have also seen cases of 2 year waiting periods.

Then there is the foreign diplomatic issue.

Typically, foreign embassies and consulates require Chinese law enforcement agencies to contact them within certain days if one of their citizens are detained.

These are governed by individual treaties, I attended a seminar that talked about it recently.

I only remember the countries I care about.

So, for US citizens, the US consulate must be notified within 4 days.

Canada is kind of vague, I think the exact language is ASAP.

Japan is also 4 days.

I don't really remember the rest, but with the exception of a few countries that say ASAP.

The general rule is Chinese authorities are supposed to inform them within 4 - 7 days of detainment.

So technically, say if you are American, and they only detain you for three days they are not in violation of the treaty if they don't let you contact the Shanghai consulate.

Now there is the part of what could happen:

Generally, most of my sources tell me most law enforcement agencies do not like to get any foreign diplomatic service involved.

Because their bosses may get a political black eye if any foreign media picks up any human rights abuses or procedural violations, which there will be too numerous to count.

And because of the 4 day rule, it also gives the individual officers a chance to prey on detainees.

Like the story I shared before. A former colleague was arrested in a sauna bust.

He did not speak Chinese but the police did not provide him with any translator.

He was thrown in jail and ignored for three days.

The fear got to him, and he managed to buy his release and a clean record for 60,000 RMB.

He got away with no rap sheet, but he could not explain away his three day disappearance to his boss and was subsequently fired.

I think he could have said he got kidnapped which is actually a somewhat accurate depiction of what really happened.

But then maybe he was worried to get involved with the police again should his boss force him to press charges.

Also, from what I heard, the police do not like to target foreigners in general.

1. They generally believe it is not worth the hassle, especially if the detainee does not speak Chinese.

2. With the economic growth in China, being a foreigner in China no longer automatically means you are rich.

If the individual officers are interested in pure financial gain (aka a shakedown).

It actually makes more sense to target someone with a deep local bank account.

Most business travelers do not have local bank accounts, and they cannot easily distinguish expats and business travelers / tourists.

Therefore the maximal amount of extortion money they could get is subject to whatever spending limits are placed on your foreign bank card.

So they could go through a lot of trouble without any substantial reward to justify the risk and trouble of quasi-legal detention.

BUT, occasionally the PSB do get political directives that require them to arrest certain amount of foreigners for whatever purpose.

If you are familiar with Chinese propaganda, you should have been aware the PRC gov really touts nationalism.

So it is beneficial for their political agenda to demonstrate to their underlings that the days of colonialism is over.

Foreigners can and will be punished by Chinese law, and foreigners are not on any moral high ground.

If they do get such a directive, then you are probably really screwed if you are caught.

BYE BYE JOB, BYE BYE China VISA!

So there are generally four categories of what could happen if you are a foreigner caught in a prostitution bust:

1. Best case scenario: They let you go on the spot, because they feel you are not worth the trouble.

2. You are legally detained and fined according to law and expelled from China.

3. You are illegally detained and extorted.

4. Your government comes to rescue you, but you are still expelled from China, because the PSB can and will do that even if just to save face.

(Technically, the PSB is legally entitled to decide who is no longer welcomed to China.

The Exit and Entry Bureau and the PSB are both under the same Ministry of Public Security).

NOTE: This piece should not be considered legal advice in any sense.

I am not licensed to practice PRC law even though I have a degree in it.

I can only speak from experience and what I heard.

Though if you are indeed arrested in a prostitution bust.

I do not know if it will do you any good by seeking legal representation.

If lawyers are involved, it may force the police's hand to do everything by the book.

Which means in any case you will be stuck with an arrest record that looks really bad for visa purposes.

Or you could easily spend more money on legal fees than any fine / bribe combined without any guaranteed good outcome.

Good luck!

BTW, no matter what is happening, do not insult or threaten the police.
These include stuff like: Hey, I want your badge number, I remember you, or you are making a big mistake, my government will not stand for this.

Chinese police do not respond well with threats especially if nationalism/national pride is involved.
If they really believe you can follow through with what you claim you can pull off, they would have released you already.

If you act like an arrogant and obnoxious foreigner yapping about due process, civil liberties, and human rights all the time of your stay,

I doubt the police will respond in a kind way, and yes, "accidents" can happen to detainees ALL the time.

Hello all!

I have been a lurker / occasional poster, but most of all a paying member.

Would someone be kind enough to PM some info about Jiyuan. I have a pretty firm idea of where it is at, I just need a little confirmation before I go out on the chase. Seems a little far out.

Thanks,

Qd6194

I was wandering around Jing'an the other day that I had some time off from work. I walked inside Spring massage on Jiangning road for a standard massage. I've heard they do HJ for a tip, but I swear I didn't go in there looking for a release. All I wanted was a massage.

However, halfway through it, I'm laying all naked, towel aside, as the masseuse does her standard thing. BAAAAM goes the door and a scared woman holding a radio shouts something at her. She immediately leaves the room. 10 seconds later I'm wearing my underwear and ready to GTFO.

Another woman walks in. Wearing a full blown Thai-style uniform. With branded oils and shit. She lits a candle. Music changes. Everything becomes more Zen.

Weird shit. Worst massage ever.

When I walked out, two policemen were getting a foot massage near the entrance. They looked at me like 'Hey you –*We know'.

I was like 'tingbudong'. And walked away with an erection.

Your posts include some really valuable information to help us all understand more about the unpleasant side of our hobby. We all need to be as knowledgeable as possible about what risks we might be facing.

Have fun and be safe out there.

If you discover any other places, please let us know. I'd like to PM you, but you arn't a member.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiNong;1858218]Based on the great post in the Suzhou blog, I have explored around in Shanghai a bit for this, and have had a little luck- found one. This is in Minhang, not too far from the Jiaoda main campus, called Lianming (32852;26126;33310;21381. This is on Lianming Lu. Not so easy to find, but its there- can look up in google maps. Entrance is on a side of a building- need to look for this. Can watch people coming in and out- and will find it. Entrance fee is 20 RMB, and no questions were asked. Can then go up and check coat, etc. Buy tickets at the counter for 20 RMB each- so give these to the girl, not cash.

I went there on a Friday evening, a bit too late (9 pm)- it closes at 10:30. Pretty busy. According to people I talked to, it's less busy Sun-Thursday, with a lot more girls compared to guys. People there were very friendly- best to speak Chinese. The staff asked how I like it, how I like the girls, etc. I also talked to some of the customers, who where certainly surprised to see a Westerner there. Got the usual stares- but these are normal stares, not glares. Some then even tried to hook me up with girls they know there (there seemed be many regular customers). One older man even showed me how to best grope a certain girl.

Some of the girls were nice, some not so nice. Few sauna level. Many were dressed rather racy. Talking to these girls, some are there every day, some occasionally. Some have been there a while, and some only a few days or weeks. I think there is a fair amount of turnover. I asked a couple of the girls, and they had never seen a westerner there before, though one had danced with a Japanese. Most will assume that you do not speak Chinese, until you do.

It was not hard to find dance partners. Same process as described in Suzhou board. After each dance I would go over and sit or stand in a different place, and check out the scene. No need to take every dance. As in Suzhou, it's one dark / slow dance, followed by light / fast. In the dance, as grabbing and other groping were the norm. The floor was dark, though maybe not as big as the Suzhou places. With some girls there was no talk, and some talking throughout. In a couple cases it got pretty passionate, and in others the girl just went through the motions. I danced with a couple 2-3 times, and built a decent rapport. Let's see if they are there when I go back.

I think I could have gotten some phone numbers or wechat, though as this was the first time I left it- will do this next time. And I'm not sure I would push for any same day stuff until I know how the place works better.

Taking to the people there, they say there are a few other Wuting in Shanghai, but not many. There is one in Qingpu, which is smaller (and a bit far for me), and another in Pudong, which hopefully I'll be able to thresh out.

So something else to check out. My suggestion is that don't get there too late (opens in the afternoon), don't come in too big a group (may attract undo attention), make friends with the locals, and go with the flow. Good luck.[/QUOTE]

Hi guys,

I am living in Shanghai since almost a year now. I have never visited a Sauna or Spa as I don't speak any Chinese and I am not familiar with how it goes there. So far I had some fun with ladies from the usual places like Manhatten or Judys and also some pick ups in other clubs of Shanghai.

I also have a few regulars on my WeChat.

I am writing this post, because I want to ask you guys if anyone of you wants to exchange some wechat contacts of nice girls. Also if anyone would like to hangout for a beer or two and introduce me to the whole sauna / spa thing I would be happy!

Just drop me a PM if you are interested in the exchange of some WeChat contacts. I am happy to share and would be happy to also get some new girls contacts.

Enjoy the long weekend!

[QUOTE=Carage;1858628]Thank you for sharing your personal experience.

Good luck![/QUOTE]Thank you so much for the info. It is nice to have the knowledge just in case.

Jb.

It's great info and sorry again to you Changelu for what you went through.

Seems like Saunas and BBS etc are a bit risky. OK statistically one could argue it's low chance of getting caught but the consequences can be quite serious when that happens.

Obviously everyone makes his own decisions but personally I think getting an Escort from Steven's site or a pick up from Manatthan is not bad option. At least you.

Have little to worry about and it's about the same price anyway.

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I took the leap of faith a few nights ago as I was a little intrigued by the wechat engineers offering hovering around my phone screen.

I picked one through the "discovery" function and hooked up with the Muppet. He posted pictures of the engineers on his wechat moment with respective number. I picked one who seemed to have a higher chance of being "real".

So, it was 200 RMB deposit over wechat, then 1000 RMB to the engineer on arrival. The Muppet tried to talked me into an overnighter for just an additional 1000 RMB. Sure, no prob, if the engineer was good, I will have her for a week.

Agreed on BBBJ (OWO) and the full service. Girl arrived, I picked her up, not the person in the picture, but she looked OK (average, very average). But I decided to press ahead knowing that it would be a mistake.

Long story short, the engineer was rather uninterested in the service, BBBJ would attract an additional 500 RMB, I say, GFYS. Can't suck puppies, can't touch kitty. Wasn't impressed. But given the sunk cost of 1200 RMB, I had to give something back, and so we did what we had to do, and quickly wrap things up.

On her way out, the engineer asked for taxi fare, I gave 100 RMB, then she haggled for tips, I gave her another 100 RMB, then she haggled for more tips, I say thank you very much and have a good evening.

I texted the Muppet back and told him I was utterly disappointed. I will stick with my regulars. I think these girls are just girls from the sauna with an outcall subsidiary.

I do want to see if any of you had similar experience with this type of wechat trade?

Beijing Rd Spa near Jingan Temple is open again. The colored sign was never turned off when it was close recently. I did not go inside, but pushed on the door and it was open. Anybody want to tske one for the team? Sam?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1860168]Beijing Rd Spa near Jingan Temple is open again. The colored sign was never turned off when it was close recently. I did not go inside, but pushed on the door and it was open. Anybody want to tske one for the team? Sam?[/QUOTE]Mongering in Amsterdam this week and doing quite well. It's kind of a long drive from here for am HJ. Besides I've discovered a private house that does FS and CBJ for 65. Euros. That's like 429 RMB which is same or less than BJ lu is for massage and HJ (with tip (389-489).

Thanks but I'm good see other board for post.

Monger friends,

Here's my story, finally!

Been in the Shanghai scene for last 6 years I have enjoyed much of the BBS's, sauna's and pickups and stories from fellow mongers.

So far the greatest have been Judy's & Manhattan's. Great selection of nationalities!

I have found best, so far, Viet with long black hair from Hanoi last year November. She literally rolled over me. I was not able to escape from her eyes, whilst she pinpointed me at the entrance in Manhattan.

I could not resist her offer and off we go. On the way to J. W. Marriott we started to suck each other in the cab. As she knew the cab driver, it was perfectly OK to do 69 in the cab. Her **** was clean, trimmed and easy to lick. How great she responded. I was a bit scared somebody will figure out, but I could not resist the intense.

We put the condom over big bro in the cab and asked driver to have another round in French concession and stop to silent alley. We did couple of minutes in VW Touran against passenger seat and decided to head to the hotel for more relaxed fucking. It did not last long until fucking in the room against mirror her hands supporting while I increasing rpm's from behind. I asked her if she is OK for CIM but unfortunately not. I decided to accept that and go for cowgirl. Nice see rack was bouncing on front of me, so it was great to control speed by gently squeezing boobies and pushing my johnnie against her and deep.

Being a bit exhibitionist. I wanted to come by sliding curtains and wishing somebody to see glimpse of the action. I took her next to the window of the hotel room and pushed hard until I removed rubber and exploded on her back.

We did again 3 times that night with similar energy I was surprised how good was that! I was convinced eyes at first sight will be telling you with whom to go with.

Great experience and memories! Wish to get more!

Anybody interested in foursome (2 girls, 2 gals) in Shanghai 18th or 23rd April? Other times also possible.

Interested to have fun in Manhattans or Judy's and then go hotel together. Maybe swap girls.

PM me for fun.

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[QUOTE=SamCan;1860264]Mongering in Amsterdam this week and doing quite well. It's kind of a long drive from here for am HJ. Besides I've discovered a private house that does FS and CBJ for 65. Euros. That's like 429 RMB which is same or less than BJ lu is for massage and HJ (with tip (389-489).

Thanks but I'm good see other board for post.[/QUOTE]Hi Sam. You might do better to post on the Amsterdam board. Take care! Your friend. Hobbiest1.

For at least a week, both Beijing Lu and Yuyuan Lu have signs on the door seeking staff. But the lights are on and the door is unlocked. The rather curious "no fireworks" signs are gone now. Looks promising, but I think I will wait a little longer.

That's quite the story about your Manhattan adventure, Malibuh!

And, quite the coincidence that a girl from Vietnam just happened to know the driver of the cab you happened upon when you left the club.

[QUOTE=XikangLu;1858761]I was wandering around Jing'an the other day that I had some time off from work. I walked inside Spring massage on Jiangning road for a standard massage. I've heard they do HJ for a tip, but I swear I didn't go in there looking for a release. All I wanted was a massage.

However, halfway through it, I'm laying all naked, towel aside, as the masseuse does her standard thing. BAAAAM goes the door and a scared woman holding a radio shouts something at her. She immediately leaves the room. 10 seconds later I'm wearing my underwear and ready to GTFO.

Another woman walks in. Wearing a full blown Thai-style uniform. With branded oils and shit. She lits a candle. Music changes. Everything becomes more Zen.

Weird shit. Worst massage ever.

When I walked out, two policemen were getting a foot massage near the entrance. They looked at me like 'Hey you *We know'.

I was like 'tingbudong'. And walked away with an erection.[/QUOTE]You're right. I went into a Spring Massage and saw the same: no miniskirts, showers turned off, didn't bother to stick around. I can get some of my regular massage girls in totally legit massage places to play with me, so watered down Spring Massage not worth it. Might not be every branch. If they have to keep this up, they'll no doubt be out of business.

Nice report. I will be in shanghai soon for few days. Can we get more informations about these wutuns / ballrooms / dance halls as I read in the sujhou forum also. Looks very interesting. Has any other monger friend found some more wutuns in shanghai. Also will request to pm me any such places.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiNong;1858218]Based on the great post in the Suzhou blog, I have explored around in Shanghai a bit for this, and have had a little luck- found one. This is in Minhang, not too far from the Jiaoda main campus, called Lianming (32852;26126;33310;21381. This is on Lianming Lu. Not so easy to find, but its there- can look up in google maps. Entrance is on a side of a building- need to look for this. Can watch people coming in and out- and will find it. Entrance fee is 20 RMB, and no questions were asked. Can then go up and check coat, etc. Buy tickets at the counter for 20 RMB each- so give these to the girl, not cash.

I went there on a Friday evening, a bit too late (9 pm)- it closes at 10:30. Pretty busy. According to people I talked to, it's less busy Sun-Thursday, with a lot more girls compared to guys. People there were very friendly- best to speak Chinese. The staff asked how I like it, how I like the girls, etc. I also talked to some of the customers, who where certainly surprised to see a Westerner there. Got the usual stares- but these are normal stares, not glares. Some then even tried to hook me up with girls they know there (there seemed be many regular customers). One older man even showed me how to best grope a certain girl..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1860543]You're right. I went into a Spring Massage and saw the same: no miniskirts, showers turned off, didn't bother to stick around. I can get some of my regular massage girls in totally legit massage places to play with me, so watered down Spring Massage not worth it. Might not be every branch. If they have to keep this up, they'll no doubt be out of business.[/QUOTE]Its not like they have the choice. Jing'an district is under new management and many places were shut down (MPs, Saunas, etc...).

Some of those still open have to do so under very low profile.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1860330]Hi Sam. You might do better to post on the Amsterdam board. Take care! Your friend. Hobbiest1.[/QUOTE]Hello HB. Thanks for your comments. My point was it is amazing that Amsterdam (ie Europe) is cheaper than China. That surprised me as I though China was third world. Of cours legal vs supposedly illegal may cover some of that.

As a frequent monger to China I was surprised and was just sharing with my brothers that don't get out much (like me).

You can now scream scamhai now if you wish

Sam.

Sam, thanks for your report. Maybe the Troll would not object if you posted about Tijuana, another world class city that never sleeps. I'll be in the Dam soon and appreciate your take on China vs Amsterdam. Those of us in Sam Hi celebrate our good fortune as we are also in guard. There are perils everywhere.

[QUOTE=Malibuh;1860295]Monger friends,

Here's my story, finally!

Been in the Shanghai scene for last 6 years I have enjoyed much of the BBS's, sauna's and pickups and stories from fellow mongers.

So far the greatest have been Judy's & Manhattan's. Great selection of nationalities!

I have found best, so far, Viet with long black hair from Hanoi last year November. She literally rolled over me. I was not able to escape from her eyes, whilst she pinpointed me at the entrance in Manhattan.

I could not resist her offer and off we go. On the way to J. W. Marriott we started to suck each other in the cab. As she knew the cab driver, it was perfectly OK to do 69 in the cab. Her **** was clean, trimmed and easy to lick. How great she responded. I was a bit scared somebody will figure out, but I could not resist the intense.

We put the condom over big bro in the cab and asked driver to have another round in French concession and stop to silent alley. We did couple of minutes in VW Touran against passenger seat and decided to head to the hotel for more relaxed fucking. It did not last long until fucking in the room against mirror her hands supporting while I increasing rpm's from behind. I asked her if she is OK for CIM but unfortunately not. I decided to accept that and go for cowgirl. Nice see rack was bouncing on front of me, so it was great to control speed by gently squeezing boobies and pushing my johnnie against her and deep.

Being a bit exhibitionist. I wanted to come by sliding curtains and wishing somebody to see glimpse of the action. I took her next to the window of the hotel room and pushed hard until I removed rubber and exploded on her back.

We did again 3 times that night with similar energy I was surprised how good was that! I was convinced eyes at first sight will be telling you with whom to go with.

Great experience and memories! Wish to get more![/QUOTE]Manhattan and Judy are still the clubs of choice whenever I am in town, but in the past couple years, the service from the Viet girls have gone downhill. The inflation and growth in economy in Shanghai in the last few years have made Shanghai living expense in par with any Western Cities, and that brings much higher pressure to the Viet girls working in the City. They either try to get higher prices or downgrade and rush their services. You have to hassle a lot more now to get the price you paid. Very often they simply refused. GFE used to be a norm, and it came with every Viet girl that I left with, not with the last few girls I pulled out. Services were not bad, but lack of the passion they were so famous for.

Other than the Viets, the 2 different African girls I took were both fantastic. Both with very sexy and proportional figures rare to find in the Viets, and both provided GFE starting from inside the club. They are less accepted by Chinese guys due to ridiculous cultural belief, but hey, it's their lose.

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;1860790]Manhattan and Judy are still the clubs of choice whenever I am in town, but in the past couple years, the service from the Viet girls have gone downhill. The inflation and growth in economy in Shanghai in the last few years have made Shanghai living expense in par with any Western Cities, and that brings much higher pressure to the Viet girls working in the City. They either try to get higher prices or downgrade and rush their services. You have to hassle a lot more now to get the price you paid. Very often they simply refused. GFE used to be a norm, and it came with every Viet girl that I left with, not with the last few girls I pulled out. Services were not bad, but lack of the passion they were so famous for.

Other than the Viets, the 2 different African girls I took were both fantastic. Both with very sexy and proportional figures rare to find in the Viets, and both provided GFE starting from inside the club. They are less accepted by Chinese guys due to ridiculous cultural belief, but hey, it's their lose.[/QUOTE]I thought the ladies were exceptional at the hotel I frequent. Purple Mountain. While not quite as overt as Judy's / Manhattan the ladies are amazing. If you are in doubt then spend a Saturday (7-10) in the lounge area. Then tell me your thoughts! Thanks h1.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1860795]I thought the ladies were exceptional at the hotel I frequent. Purple Mountain. While not quite as overt as Judy's / Manhattan the ladies are amazing. If you are in doubt then spend a Saturday (7-10) in the lounge area. Then tell me your thoughts! Thanks h1.[/QUOTE]OK, now we are moving to Pudong from Pusi. I Will definitely try that when I go to Shanghai again. What are the nationality of the ladies there and how about weekdays? Thanks.

My only experience in pickup bars is Brix in Singapore. I find that the girls there look quite good. And the girls normally stay a month or 2 only. Should I expect more of the same quality in visiting Manhattan or Judy's?

Based on my few nights in Brix, I also noticed that the lookers are usually taken as they come in at 10-11 leaving only limited selection at around 1-2 am. Any advisable best time to arrive here?

[QUOTE=RedRider;1860361]That's quite the story about your Manhattan adventure, Malibuh!

And, quite the coincidence that a girl from Vietnam just happened to know the driver of the cab you happened upon when you left the club.[/QUOTE]Can't remember the book where I read that, but I am sure there is one! .

Guys,

With the help of Google translate I have browsed several Chinese sites lately. Lot of interesting information to find, though it requires some effort.

My questions is, could some member here be so kind and type "sauna" for me with Chinese letters? In that case will be able to browse for sauna on Chinese web sites with the help of Google translate.

Sauna = 桑25343;.

[QUOTE=JayBird;1860891]Guys,

With the help of Google translate I have browsed several Chinese sites lately. Lot of interesting information to find, though it requires some effort.

My questions is, could some member here be so kind and type "sauna" for me with Chinese letters? In that case will be able to browse for sauna on Chinese web sites with the help of Google translate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JayBird;1860891]Guys,

With the help of Google translate I have browsed several Chinese sites lately. Lot of interesting information to find, though it requires some effort.

My questions is, could some member here be so kind and type "sauna" for me with Chinese letters? In that case will be able to browse for sauna on Chinese web sites with the help of Google translate.[/QUOTE]Try this: [I]桑拿 or 桑那[/I].

Hello guys,

Where are these places like sauna to find girls from Viet or Africa. Russia.

Thanks! A new comer here.

[QUOTE=QCBoy;1860825]My only experience in pickup bars is Brix in Singapore. I find that the girls there look quite good. And the girls normally stay a month or 2 only. Should I expect more of the same quality in visiting Manhattan or Judy's?

Based on my few nights in Brix, I also noticed that the lookers are usually taken as they come in at 10-11 leaving only limited selection at around 1-2 am. Any advisable best time to arrive here?[/QUOTE]QC Boy, I've never been to Brix, but I believe you have more diverse selection racially in Brix as I read on that thread, than either Manhattan or Judy. These 2 clubs are mainly for picking up Vietnamese girls. I'd say about 85% of them and the remaining 15% being Chinese and a few black girls. There used to be some Latinas in Manhattan before, but I heard they were not welcome by the management. Don't know why? Quality wise, majority falls in 5-7 range on my scale with just a few 8's. My 9's and above goes to those super model type Latinas or EU girls. Your observation in Brix applies here, best time to go is between 10-11 PM till midnight. The party goes on till the early morning hours, but he hot ones are normally snapped up early.

[QUOTE=DanielMccc;1859930] I think these girls are just girls from the sauna with an outcall subsidiary.

I do want to see if any of you had similar experience with this type of wechat trade?[/QUOTE]I would bet, that this are not "sauna girls" because of two reason:

- first nearly no sauna has an interest on the "outcall", just because it reduce their selection and business "on location". If you ever tried to get a girl out there, you will have found out, that this is not what they want. Normally you will be asked for a "buyout" of at least 3000 up to 5000 RMB, and than you not even included the fee the girl will charge for her service.

- second the "up selling" problem is something former sauna girls not will cause. Our experience with all the independent girls over year is, that all girls who worked for some outcall agencies or in bar before are used to the strategy to ask for more and more money (which never can be a lost, but often a win), so nearly impossible to bring that out, while the sauna girls simply not used to all the money things. They trained to offer a good service in their sauna, but never involved in the money or payment process. So if you find a former sauna girl in outcall. And she has not been taught by someone how to cheat. She will not even come up with the idea that it's possible to ask for tip or extra money. Tip is a no-go in a sauna.

If they come from a "shop", than probably a massage parlor or barbershop, where the girls are trained to ask for extra money, while in a sauna a girl would be directly fired after she would try that one time!

I am pretty sure you have done a deal with one of the numerous outcall agencies where you get in touch when you agree to a pimp around your hotel to send a girl or where you will end up if you call the number of the business card the guy gave you at the airport or drop under your door in the hotel. Wechat is actually just one of their ways to do the business and it's successfully, because many guys already get familiar with the fact, that all this Chinese agency webpages are stuffed with faked girls and never reliable, many are very careful with the pimps, but wechat "look around" still has a higher trust and many guys hope that it will be reliable.

In fact the "look around" function has a great advantage for the agency too, because the "troll rate" is much lower. Simply because they can be sure that the guy at least is in Shanghai, while many trolls who use chat and e-mail will not even be in China, but waste their time and in worst case taxi fee for the girls.

But if you deal with this agencies, you should know, that the agreed rate is nearly never the final rate. I know many girls who do this job, and a girl who would leave the guest room with the amount that has been agreed forehand would always get trouble with her boss. Either while the boss not believe she get only that and would guess the girl try to reduce her commission, or because she was stupid enough not to get more. So girls will always try to avoid that by "up selling". That's what the business based on. Ask for a low rate first and get the deal, but than try to get as much as possible. What is for sure much more easy after the little brother took over the control of the bargain process. So honestly it's not the point what you bargain forehand, the price you pay is always based on the bargain while you "enjoy" your service!

Wish you will have more luck next time.

All in here, you just have to start reading.

Lev.

[QUOTE=EasyHi;1861055]Hello guys,

Where are these places like sauna to find girls from Viet or Africa. Russia.

Thanks! A new comer here.[/QUOTE]

In response to Shanghai Guide's post, I would like to point out while his description of sauna girls are generally true, there are a few exceptions.

Tipping at saunas is not a generally accepted practice, however, girls have gotten creative to ask for more money.

I've seen johns and girls smuggle money in cigarette boxes, I highly doubt that is for strip poker.

Now with mobile payment systems such as WeChat, they don't even need to exchange cash for tips.

I've seen sauna girls offering to upsell anal, swallowing, or legit massages.

Hi,

I would love to do so (exchange wechat contacts), but you are not a member, yet, and thus, you can't receive or send any private messages. You should consider.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Setsna;1859474]Hi guys,

I am living in Shanghai since almost a year now. I have never visited a Sauna or Spa as I don't speak any Chinese and I am not familiar with how it goes there. So far I had some fun with ladies from the usual places like Manhatten or Judys and also some pick ups in other clubs of Shanghai.

I also have a few regulars on my WeChat.

I am writing this post, because I want to ask you guys if anyone of you wants to exchange some wechat contacts of nice girls. Also if anyone would like to hangout for a beer or two and introduce me to the whole sauna / spa thing I would be happy!

Just drop me a PM if you are interested in the exchange of some WeChat contacts. I am happy to share and would be happy to also get some new girls contacts.

Enjoy the long weekend![/QUOTE]

In your own interest you should consider to pay US $ 20 and become a member. You then have private message function, and you also can use the search function. Don't expect that you will get the infos which have been collected here over the last weeks, months and years in this thread in one shot. Or you do what all the others did. Rtff.

Lev.

[QUOTE=ViajandoMusico;1861084]QC Boy, I've never been to Brix, but I believe you have more diverse selection racially in Brix as I read on that thread, than either Manhattan or Judy. These 2 clubs are mainly for picking up Vietnamese girls. I'd say about 85% of them and the remaining 15% being Chinese and a few black girls. There used to be some Latinas in Manhattan before, but I heard they were not welcome by the management. Don't know why? Quality wise, majority falls in 5-7 range on my scale with just a few 8's. My 9's and above goes to those super model type Latinas or EU girls. Your observation in Brix applies here, best time to go is between 10-11 PM till midnight. The party goes on till the early morning hours, but he hot ones are normally snapped up early.[/QUOTE]Based on my readings on this forum, I would agree that Brix is more racially diverse. Interestingly enough though, a lot of the girls there are also Viets.

In terms of quality though, would the quality in terms of looks be better in Saunas rather than in these pickup bars? Really trying to budget time and money between the 2. Of course, it seems that these pickup joints have become safer as of late.

[QUOTE=Levitian;1861240]In your own interest you should consider to pay US $ 20 and become a member. You then have private message function, and you also can use the search function. Don't expect that you will get the infos which have been collected here over the last weeks, months and years in this thread in one shot. Or you do what all the others did. Rtff.

Lev.[/QUOTE]Dear Levitian,

As you maybe can see I already payed. I am a member and have the PM function, that's why I asked to send me a pm. I am reading here since more than 2 years and I think I read the last 2 shanghai threads completely. I am not asking about addresses of saunas, or pick up bars,. I am a member on sng and have them. I asked to exchange some wechat contacts. Means I offer a reliable girl with good service in exchange to one of yours. So before asking me to RTFF, you should consider reading my option no offense buddy!

I am really sad that all the BBS I know are gone now. Mostly those on Hongsong lu / Songyuan lu and Hangzhong lu.

Any one now where to go to find some BBS strip like back in the days?

[QUOTE=Setsna;1861338]Dear Levitian,

(...) I asked to exchange some wechat contacts. Means I offer a reliable girl with good service in exchange to one of yours. So before asking me to RTFF, you should consider reading my option no offense buddy![/QUOTE]Then you should post in the Classified section. This Shanghai section is to give for free and read the suggestions from other posters. Not to trade for $ or other contacts.

Give and others will give you. Be greedy and other people will be greedy with you.

[QUOTE=Setsna;1861338]Dear Levitian,

As you maybe can see I already payed. I am a member and have the PM function, that's why I asked to send me a pm. I am reading here since more than 2 years and I think I read the last 2 shanghai threads completely. I am not asking about addresses of saunas, or pick up bars,. I am a member on sng and have them. I asked to exchange some wechat contacts. Means I offer a reliable girl with good service in exchange to one of yours. So before asking me to RTFF, you should consider reading my option no offense buddy![/QUOTE]Hi Setsna. I am a senior member that is very happy to help you. This is a tough board because the seniors will unfortunately pull out the "RTFF card" I am not like that and can help you. I am not the "Almighty" Many seniors on this board are complete ASSHOLES. They don't help me and never have and I could care less. PM me please.

[QUOTE=Setsna;1861338]Dear Levitian,

As you maybe can see I already payed. I am a member and have the PM function, that's why I asked to send me a pm. I am reading here since more than 2 years and I think I read the last 2 shanghai threads completely. I am not asking about addresses of saunas, or pick up bars,. I am a member on sng and have them. I asked to exchange some wechat contacts. Means I offer a reliable girl with good service in exchange to one of yours. So before asking me to RTFF, you should consider reading my option no offense buddy![/QUOTE]Setsna- I'm actually surprised if you've had positive experiences with wechat girls. All reports I've read are somewhat negative. Have you been able to find reasonably priced attractive girls through that channel? I got nothing to exchange since I've had no success with wechat.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1862375]Setsna- I'm actually surprised if you've had positive experiences with wechat girls. All reports I've read are somewhat negative. Have you been able to find reasonably priced attractive girls through that channel? I got nothing to exchange since I've had no success with wechat.[/QUOTE]I've only had success via wechat by NOT trying to nail them the first night. I have used to first befriend during the daytime (not 10 at night, when I'm interested to launch), get to know, then screw. If your just trying to use wechat for a one nighter. Consider the person on the other end a tout. And the rule is "never follow a tout". Also, some touts think that social media gives them the right to ask a premium or up sell.

SH.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1862241]Hi Setsna. I am a senior member that is very happy to help you. This is a tough board because the seniors will unfortunately pull out the "RTFF card" I am not like that and can help you. I am not the "Almighty" Many seniors on this board are complete ASSHOLES. They don't help me and never have and I could care less. PM me please.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, yes, you are for sure the best guide for Scamhai, street-smart as you are.

The Sam Hi Troll: Blind leading the blind. Why does no one defend his honor?

[QUOTE=Levitian;1862393]Hahaha, yes, you are for sure the best guide for Scamhai, street-smart as you are.[/QUOTE]HB1 could lead the tour of Plaza 96 across from the Purple Mountain Hotel, as that's as far as he ventures to ensure he does not get scammed. But you know Costa Coffee has a rough crowd, so watch out!

SH.

[QUOTE=ShangHangin;1862406]HB1 could lead the tour of Plaza 96 across from the Purple Mountain Hotel, as that's as far as he ventures to ensure he does not get scammed. But you know Costa Coffee has a rough crowd, so watch out!

SH.[/QUOTE]Why hide behind alias. I will be at Manhattan tonight. I will have a blue Converse All Star T-Shirt. Come say "Hi".

Cross roads. LianMing Lu; ZhongChun Lu.

Hours. 1 pm to 11 pm.

Best times. 3 pm-5 pm; 7 pm-9 pm.

Parking. Plenty onsite.

It's been a couple of days since Donkey has seen any action so I thought I'd take him out to try something new. Arrived at the dance hall around 3 pm, paid 20 rmb at the entrance, went up to the second floor, door on the right and walked into the crime scene.

First off, it's strictly no smoking. They have a small smoking room in the back where the bathroom is so for those of you who are sensitive to smoke, this place is good news.

The girls are lined up along the wall on the right hand side. Probably around 40-50 girls ranging from 0 to 7. That's not a typo, there are a couple of 0's because they are as old as my mother and looked like my aunt Gladys with heavy makeup. The better looking ones stay close to the entrance, and as you walk further into the place, it gets darker and the quality goes down. There are maybe two girls who are 7's, still nowhere close to a sauna girl. Majority of the girls range from 4-6. The better looking ones will not approach you; some lower range girls might ask you for a dance; the really low range ones, you might need to beat them off with a stick once they latch on to you.

They alternate one fast song followed by one slow song. The lights come on during the fast songs, girls stand out to be noticed, guys check them out, nobody dance. Lights goes off during slow songs, guys pick girls and take them to the dance floor which is totally dark. Groping starts, nobody dance. Just stand there, dry hump, or try for the next 5 minutes to get their hands under her panties and bra. It costs you 20 rmb per song for your efforts.

This is cheap entertainment, but an even more cost effective way would be to get the girl you like to table sit "ZuoTai". She sits with you at a table big enough for two people away from everyone and yes, it's DARK - 100 rmb per hour. This is where you chit chat, tell her lies, get her phone number, get her wechat, get her QQ, grope, get your hands under her dress, kiss, arrange for a take out.

Summary. You will not get a BJ or FS in the dance halls in Shanghai. You won't even get to take her clothes off. This is a place where you set up for FS outside the establishment. If you have the time and effort to spend, this might be a good place for those who love the "chase". FS can be had (outside) for under 400 if you can convince them to go with you. But it will take more than one dance, quite possibly a few trips to build up the relationship. But guys, keep in mind two things. 1, the cheaper the girl, the more expensive she will be at the end; 2, do not go to dance halls in Shanghai expecting BJ, FS, or even nudity.

Total damage. 200 rmb for three hours. Four dances + one table sit + entrance fee. Donkey slept through the whole thing.

[QUOTE=ShangHangin;1862391]I've only had success via wechat by NOT trying to nail them the first night. I have used to first befriend during the daytime (not 10 at night, when I'm interested to launch), get to know, then screw. If your just trying to use wechat for a one nighter. Consider the person on the other end a tout. And the rule is "never follow a tout". Also, some touts think that social media gives them the right to ask a premium or up sell.

SH.[/QUOTE]I'm just too worried about false advertising and up-sells. At least with Manhattan, you mostly see what you're getting.

I'll be at the nonsmoking bar at Fengyang / Fuxing Road wearing a red "Make Donald Drumpf Again" baseball cap.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1862658]I'm just too worried about false advertising and up-sells. At least with Manhattan, you mostly see what you're getting.[/QUOTE]I too like to check out the merchandise before buying (or being out in a high pressure buy decision). Thus prefer M or J or a massage / sauna.

SH.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1862652]Why hide behind alias. I will be at Manhattan tonight. I will have a blue Converse All Star T-Shirt. Come say "Hi".[/QUOTE]I hope you did not get Scamhai'd at the fake market for that T-shirt. Those vendors are notorious for taking advantage of tourists like you.

I guess that says alot for your city of scummy scammers. Was looking for your and a few of my other friends. Next time grow some balls.

H1.

[QUOTE=ShangHangin;1862701]I hope you did not get Scamhai'd at the fake market for that T-shirt. Those vendors are notorious for taking advantage of tourists like you.[/QUOTE]

Every poster wants a Shanghai thread devoted to safe, cost-effective mongering.

Posts not advancing that goal, such as bickering among members, undermine that goal.

Yes, even a troll can find friends among the barflies. If you share something positive for a change we will welcome you as a respected member in Sam Hi. Otherwise you are only fodder for those that enjoy flaming you.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1863141]I guess that says alot for your city of scummy scammers. Was looking for your and a few of my other friends. Next time grow some balls.

H1.[/QUOTE]H1.

It is you who should grow a pair and get out from under your rock. Members would give you some respect if you actually posted a field report of value. Your "Scamhai" rant is worn out. Get out in the city, provide real intel. Quit being a troll.

SH.

[QUOTE=ShangHangin;1863165]H1.

It is you who should grow a pair and get out from under your rock. Members would give you some respect if you actually posted a field report of value. Your "Scamhai" rant is worn out. Get out in the city, provide real intel. Quit being a troll.

SH.[/QUOTE]Agree. And, instead of discouraging others from reading this forum, he actually should promote it, because if he would have done, he most probably wouldn't have met all the trouble and the scam in the first place.

So. In Shanghai for business end of March, arrived Saturday afternoon. Stayed at the Paramount Hotel in JingAn temple area. Nice, inexpensive Chinese hotel that is very girl convenient. Upgraded room (for 2) including breakfast was 740 RMB. The nice thing about this place is the hotel is on the 12th floor through the 20th I think. And you bypass the lobby, so no registration, no 'walk of shame' through the lobby.

Decided to start at Judy's around 10:30, planning to go to Manhatten after one drink. As I got to Judy's early, was able to secure a seat at the bar with a great view of the door & the talent. Ordered a beer, shook off a couple of older women. Caught the eye of a low 20's Vietnamese women with a hearty laugh & a great smile. A glass of wine later, we agreed on 1600 for LT (a little high) - but she seemed like a lot of fun. Walked back to the hotel (saved 25 RMB) and confirmed that she would be a good time. Ended up with a great GFE session (2 X before passing out around 2:30, spent the night entangled, waking up around 8 with a raging hard on and another session. Cleaned up together in the shower. Then to breakfast. Walked her downstairs and went back to bed for a few hours.

Overall, first time I had take out from Judy's. In the past seemed older & less fun. Just lucky this time I guess. The old haunts are still available.

Will

[QUOTE=Willa1;1863413]So. In Shanghai for business end of March, arrived Saturday afternoon. Stayed at the Paramount Hotel in JingAn temple area. Nice, inexpensive Chinese hotel that is very girl convenient. Upgraded room (for 2) including breakfast was 740 RMB. The nice thing about this place is the hotel is on the 12th floor through the 20th I think. And you bypass the lobby, so no registration, no 'walk of shame' through the lobby.

Decided to start at Judy's around 10:30, planning to go to Manhatten after one drink. As I got to Judy's early, was able to secure a seat at the bar with a great view of the door & the talent. Ordered a beer, shook off a couple of older women. Caught the eye of a low 20's Vietnamese women with a hearty laugh & a great smile. A glass of wine later, we agreed on 1600 for LT (a little high) - but she seemed like a lot of fun. Walked back to the hotel (saved 25 RMB) and confirmed that she would be a good time. Ended up with a great GFE session (2 X before passing out around 2:30, spent the night entangled, waking up around 8 with a raging hard on and another session. Cleaned up together in the shower. Then to breakfast. Walked her downstairs and went back to bed for a few hours.

Overall, first time I had take out from Judy's. In the past seemed older & less fun. Just lucky this time I guess. The old haunts are still available.

Will[/QUOTE]My success rate of having a good time at Judy's has always been high. You paid more than I usually have but that may have bought you a better GFE / multiple experience. Either way if you had a good time that is all that mattered. I am glad you enjoyed it!

Bring on the next reports for us no longer able to visit the wonderful Shanghai.

I was at SiYuan yesterday around 5 PM, there was no wait, but I found the lineup of about 15 girls somewhat lackluster.

No real eye-poppers, I still managed to pick two girls anyway, they really tried to upsell me for a third in the room.

I wasn't that impressed with the lineup so I refused, then they tried to upsell me for an extra session but I told them I don't have the time.

The experience wasn't very memorable anyway.

I proceeded to get an ear cleaning lady in the lobby / rest area.

She wasn't a hottie either, but somehow she managed to convince me to stay for the "extra message" session.

This ear cleaning lady didn't act professional, constantly distracted by her phone and all.

The leg massage at the end did not feel comforting at all.

I ordered some free food in lieu of dinner, and she also tacked her own meal to my order.

I just let it slide, wasn't really in an argumentative mood.

Total damage was: 2100 (Two Girls + Ear Cleaning "Complete Package".

Stayed in the club for about 2. 5 hours total.

[QUOTE=Carage;1863705]I was at SiYuan yesterday around 5 PM, there was no wait, but I found the lineup of about 15 girls somewhat lackluster.

No real eye-poppers, I still managed to pick two girls anyway, they really tried to upsell me for a third in the room.

I wasn't that impressed with the lineup so I refused, then they tried to upsell me for an extra session but I told them I don't have the time.

The experience wasn't very memorable anyway.

I proceeded to get an ear cleaning lady in the lobby / rest area.

She wasn't a hottie either, but somehow she managed to convince me to stay for the "extra message" session.

This ear cleaning lady didn't act professional, constantly distracted by her phone and all.

The leg massage at the end did not feel comforting at all.

I ordered some free food in lieu of dinner, and she also tacked her own meal to my order.

I just let it slide, wasn't really in an argumentative mood.

Total damage was: 2100 (Two Girls + Ear Cleaning "Complete Package".

Stayed in the club for about 2. 5 hours total.[/QUOTE]Carage,

Thanks for the update. Had not been in since the hotel name change. Good to know they are still up and running, though it sounds like quality has declined. Even so, I will have to drop by soon. Is the price for a single girl still 880??

SH.

[QUOTE=ShangHangin;1863770]Carage,

Thanks for the update. Had not been in since the hotel name change. Good to know they are still up and running, though it sounds like quality has declined. Even so, I will have to drop by soon. Is the price for a single girl still 880??

SH.[/QUOTE]I am not sure about the entry price.

I haven't picked a single girl in awhile.

The girls trying to upsell me did tell me each additional girl is only 500 each, and I could get three girls for less than 2,000.

I have not visited Bodi for a while because it is a little out of the way. I still consider it to be one of the top saunas in Shanghai. I wonder if it has increased its price. The price has increased in many saunas in the last couple of months because of the increased risk the operators was subjected to, and supply and demand with a number of places having been closed by LE.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1863878]I have not visited Bodi for a while because it is a little out of the way. I still consider it to be one of the top saunas in Shanghai. I wonder if it has increased its price. The price has increased in many saunas in the last couple of months because of the increased risk the operators was subjected to, and supply and demand with a number of places having been closed by LE.[/QUOTE]I was there about a month ago and it was a somewhat disappointing experience. My previous visit was just about the best of my entire life. Pricing is not 900 for regular, 1200 for VIP. My friend insisted that the VIP was well worth it. I really enjoy the facilities there, nice sauna, steam room and jacuzzi. I relaxed for a while until I was called for the line up. This time a little disappointing in the quality of the girls so just picked the biggest boobs. After my selection the guy said that I could have another girl for 200 (I think, maybe 300) more. Sounded good.

That turned out to be a mistake. Both girls refused pussy licking. For some reason I didn't get the nuru massage, they just got in the shower and scrubbed up. I could tell they were making fun of me in Chinese, not very nice. I did get on to suck my cock while the other sucked on my balls, nice. But really kind of a boring straight fuck with just the one girl while the other watched, bored. No interaction between the two girls. At the end I had to say "hey, what about my nuru and one of them did a quick round, just to quiet me down.

Two girls makes them lazy, and they won't do things in front of the other girl. Last time was plenty of pussy licking and all sorts of good stuff with my girl, most amazing experience. Next time I will pass on the two girls, and make it plain to the manager what I want.

I said something on my way out, but of course it was in English and didn't do that much good. Bodi is still the place to go.

[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;1863913]After my selection the guy said that I could have another girl for 200 (I think, maybe 300) more. Sounded good.

That turned out to be a mistake. Both girls refused pussy licking. For some reason I didn't get the nuru massage, they just got in the shower and scrubbed up. I could tell they were making fun of me in Chinese, not very nice. I did get on to suck my cock while the other sucked on my balls, nice. But really kind of a boring straight fuck with just the one girl while the other watched, bored. No interaction between the two girls. At the end I had to say "hey, what about my nuru and one of them did a quick round, just to quiet me down.

Two girls makes them lazy, and they won't do things in front of the other girl. Last time was plenty of pussy licking and all sorts of good stuff with my girl, most amazing experience. Next time I will pass on the two girls, and make it plain to the manager what I want.

I said something on my way out, but of course it was in English and didn't do that much good. Bodi is still the place to go.[/QUOTE]The double flight in a sauna is mostly not what we all expect getting there! That is unfortunately not the best part of the sauna service here in Shanghai.

My experience is, that the "double flight" is often taken as a good opportunity for a lazy session. One rest, the other one check her mobile phone. I last time thought it would work better with a "small double flight", where the second girl only come over for 20 minutes, based on the idea that the girl can not come for 20 minutes to check her mobile phone. What happened was that the first girl excused she need to go to toilet and just show up again when the second girl was ready to leave.

And you have even have been lucky if you got double blow job already, I also know sessions where the girls used disinfection tissues always to clean each part of the body the other girl kissed or licked. Can you imagine how hot it will be to watch the second one clean your dick for minutes before she start to take over the blow job from the other girl? So your session was not the worst thing can happen.

Your experience is more average than special, you simply have been "fucking lucky" the first time. In fact very less of the girls in a 3-some are willing to provide the lesbian action part, Even most of them will do I, if you are able to "force" them. So that's what Chinese clients would have done! Tell them they need to lick each others pussy or what ever they expect, and if they refuse, than threaten to call the manager over to complain. Than nearly sure they will do what you expect (even they not like). Officially all girls in a sauna who offer 3-some the girls have to offer also the lesbian part, but in fact most girls don't like it and will do all they can to avoid it!

I would say in a normal sauna there will be not more than perhaps one or two "couple" of girls who will play with each other, because they enjoy it. And only than they will start with lesbian action also without you need telling them to do it. So I guess your first experience was the time where you "win the price" by pick out the "one of 50" for getting the whole program. Congratulation for that, seems you are a lucky guy.

The idea to clear it with the manager forehand is not bad, but you need to follow his "recommendation" for the girl than. If you don't like the girls, he will for sure tell you other girls also would offer the girls on girls action, because the house rule expect them to do it, but later in the room they mostly simply will "forgot" that detail. Simply because they know very well, that if you don't speak Chinese, they always have the excuse, that it was a misunderstanding and they thought you not like it any more or something like that. So they have no worries that you will complain and that they would get trouble, so they also have no need to follow your fantasies.

Have fun in Shanghai.

I should perhaps have added that another reason I have not gone to Bodi lately was the more restrictive experience I had. Yes, the girls were beautiful (at least at the times when I was there) , but none of the ones I was with allowed fingering inside the treasure box and there was no fine dining. Maybe it was the luck of the draw. Perhaps it was because I looked like Kramer. Or it was a case of YMMV. Or maybe it was the princess attitude.

[QUOTE=Willa1;1863413]Stayed at the Paramount Hotel in JingAn temple area. Nice, inexpensive Chinese hotel that is very girl convenient. Upgraded room (for 2) including breakfast was 740 RMB. Decided to start at Judy's around 10:30, planning to go to Manhatten after one drink. As I got to Judy's early, was able to secure a seat at the bar with a great view of the door & the talent. Walked her downstairs and went back to bed for a few hours.
Will[/QUOTE]This is precisely what I arranged for beginning of May. Did the booking for Paramount some weeks ago without knowing the fact that the rooms are accessible without passing the lobby. That's very good to know, thanks Willa1! Also good to hear that an early start on weekend evenings can get me good results. Heard the rumor that there's a sauna / spa just one block away from Paramount at Nanjing W Rd. Will try that out during the stay.

Happy mongering,

HardInThePants

Regarding getting a double flight /3 P experience in saunas, I think we need to curb our enthusiasm quite a bit.

Most saunas have many house rules that prevent the girls from acting out like you are in a Japanese nuru porno.

The condom rule being the most obvious one.

But that doesn't mean you can't get a decent fuck with two or more girls.

There are a few ways to do it, and all of them would work much better if you speak Chinese.

Most sauna girls do not speak fluent English, some of them have shared their fantasy with me:

If they know how to speak English then they wouldn't be in this profession.

There are easier opportunities for a hot girl who speaks English, such as some rich guy's assistant / mistress.

AND not all managers speak fluent English, at least fluent enough so they can understand what you want and translate it to the girls.

One way is to tell the manager you want more than one girl, and ask him to recommend who works well in pairs.

I usually pick one girl out of the crowd (the hottest or the most appealing to me), then ask the manager for recommendations.

Typically the manager will say the girl standing next to the one I picked pairs well with her. (I guess friends also stick together in the lineup).

Or the other route is to let the girl recommend her friend once you are in the room.

Follow these two routes then you are unlikely to end up with two girls who don't have any interaction between them.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1863984]The double flight in a sauna is mostly not what we all expect getting there! That is unfortunately not the best part of the sauna service here in Shanghai.

My experience is, that the "double flight" is often taken as a good opportunity for a lazy session. One rest, the other one check her mobile phone. I last time thought it would work better with a "small double flight", where the second girl only come over for 20 minutes, based on the idea that the girl can not come for 20 minutes to check her mobile phone. What happened was that the first girl excused she need to go to toilet and just show up again when the second girl was ready to leave.

And you have even have been lucky if you got double blow job already, I also know sessions where the girls used disinfection tissues always to clean each part of the body the other girl kissed or licked. Can you imagine how hot it will be to watch the second one clean your dick for minutes before she start to take over the blow job from the other girl? So your session was not the worst thing can happen.

Your experience is more average than special, you simply have been "fucking lucky" the first time. In fact very less of the girls in a 3-some are willing to provide the lesbian action part, Even most of them will do I, if you are able to "force" them. So that's what Chinese clients would have done! Tell them they need to lick each others pussy or what ever they expect, and if they refuse, than threaten to call the manager over to complain. Than nearly sure they will do what you expect (even they not like). Officially all girls in a sauna who offer 3-some the girls have to offer also the lesbian part, but in fact most girls don't like it and will do all they can to avoid it!

I would say in a normal sauna there will be not more than perhaps one or two "couple" of girls who will play with each other, because they enjoy it. And only than they will start with lesbian action also without you need telling them to do it. So I guess your first experience was the time where you "win the price" by pick out the "one of 50" for getting the whole program. Congratulation for that, seems you are a lucky guy.

The idea to clear it with the manager forehand is not bad, but you need to follow his "recommendation" for the girl than. If you don't like the girls, he will for sure tell you other girls also would offer the girls on girls action, because the house rule expect them to do it, but later in the room they mostly simply will "forgot" that detail. Simply because they know very well, that if you don't speak Chinese, they always have the excuse, that it was a misunderstanding and they thought you not like it any more or something like that. So they have no worries that you will complain and that they would get trouble, so they also have no need to follow your fantasies.

Have fun in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]This is very solid advice.

I had a threesome in saunas, the girls were used to work in teams and I think it simply better for the whole atmosphere. It was alway fun.

I never met girl-on-girl actions. I never thought about forcing them to do so, and I also probably won't do so in the future. I can't imagine that will do any good.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Carage;1864163]

Or the other route is to let the girl recommend her friend once you are in the room.

Follow these two routes then you are unlikely to end up with two girls who don't have any interaction between them.[/QUOTE]My two flight experience has not been as good as yours at the saunas. I have generally ended up disappointed as the girls get lazy. I find a better experience with a single girl at the saunas.

Though my most memorable two flight experience was years ago in Dongguan. I had just returned from shagging my KTV girl and met this lovely pair of girls in the hall way. I told them to come by my room when they finished up their KTV session. They we both very different body types. One was busty, the other small. One with coarse hair, the other with little more than peach fuzz. It was fun to have them check each others body out. I would shag one for a while, we would all shower, then shag the other. I have the Vic's memory of one on my cock and the other on my face. It was a great night. Oh, to reminisce!

Mr GregoryB, clear your inbox.

Hi my inbox is emptied. .

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1865060]Mr GregoryB, clear your inbox.[/QUOTE]

AZ. GB' s inbox empty now. Bring It on!

175 Yuyao Rd closed.

Buddha place closed.

Min massage closed.

851 Shaanxi open, but no one in lobby.

Bbs across the street from 851 was being emptied out as well.

[QUOTE=LostInShanghai;1865362]175 Yuyao Rd closed.

Buddha place closed.

Min massage closed.

851 Shaanxi open, but no one in lobby.

Bbs across the street from 851 was being emptied out as well.[/QUOTE]Are the golden days over?

[QUOTE=SamCan;1865547]Are the golden days over?[/QUOTE]Maybe it is for that area, but MP's and saunas are still thriving all over the city. Jing'an had a change in administration. New boss needs to shut down a few shops to get the red packets coming in.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1865547]Are the golden days over?[/QUOTE]Hi Sam. The "golden days"? Not sure what this means but I can tell you this. I arrived last week and can tell you that SCAMHAI is still alive and well. I went to the Peoples park and within 1 minute was swarmed with requests of. "Excuse me sir, will you take our picture?" SURE. No problem I said.

The I said, Let me guess. Your'e going to invite me for tea. Right?

The city of SCAMS still keeps going. What a shame. Truly! The real Donald J Trump is coming. Hope all the SCAMMERS are ready!

H1.

We are tired of your boring same old rant! If you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen. Your Scamming hero running for president is going down in flames with all his racist followers. He us the biggest con artist since PT Barnum. At least PT put on a show.

As I've said, only hurts this thread to engage in bickering. Discussing politics is just ridiculous.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1865656]As I've said, only hurts this thread to engage in bickering. Discussing politics is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE]I agree.

Would love to see H1 is getting his own "Scamhai" antagonist thread, for the sake of this thread here. Jackson?

Lev.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1865656]As I've said, only hurts this thread to engage in bickering. Discussing politics is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE]I actually enjoy H1. He litters up the forum but every time he shows up, he reminds me PT Barnum was right.

[QUOTE=Levitian;1864296]This is very solid advice.

I had a threesome in saunas, the girls were used to work in teams and I think it simply better for the whole atmosphere. It was alway fun.

I never met girl-on-girl actions. I never thought about forcing them to do so, and I also probably won't do so in the future. I can't imagine that will do any good.

Lev.[/QUOTE]Could you be a little more specific with girl-on-girl action?

I get threesomes in saunas rather frequently and I agree that two pairs of hands and boobs make thinks a lot more fun.

I've seen girls tickling each other, putting massage oil on each other, kissing each other, but nothing hardcore between them.

No strap-on / dildo play, no fingering, no DATY.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1865728]I actually enjoy H1. He litters up the forum but every time he shows up, he reminds me PT Barnum was right.[/QUOTE]Like any troll, goal of Hobbiest is to make provocative comments in order to see if anyone is willing to respond. Whether or not he's ever even traveled to Shanghai, I can't say. His objective is not to exchange useful mongering information but get members riled up enough to respond.

When you respond, he wins.

Shanghai Members. Let's get back to the plan. I pledge to ignore inappropriate comments on this forum. Good cartoon though, Eh? Too bad. I've got more. I'll restrain myself. I'll check out our beloved Jingan district for closures.

Was in M2 club last night. Great crowd. Packed. Than to Judy. Not that much at 2.30 am. Than Manhattan and it was still alive. But the asking rate going too upward LOL. Any fellow monger in Shanghai like to go on joint hunting may inbox me.

BTW I was told hong mei road MPs could get their final shutdown around June.

I wasn't able yet to double check this info by going there I'll try to do that in the next couple weeks but if anyone heard the same thing. Feel free to confirm.

On a side note it seems the Kangding road sauna is advertising again on chinese websites for a few days now.

Don't ask me to double check I prefer MPs but I thought some people could be interested since many mentionned this place here before Manager name Qin Qin. She gives 100 kuai discount for early bookings [URL]http://hs.shanghai419.co/viewthread.php?tid=126215[/URL].
Considering the current situation in Jingan its likely you have to book in advance.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1866162]Shanghai Members. Let's get back to the plan. I pledge to ignore inappropriate comments on this forum. Good cartoon though, Eh? Too bad. I've got more. I'll restrain myself. I'll check out our beloved Jingan district for closures.[/QUOTE]You're a good man.

Buddah and its nearby cousin, Min are gone. 851 Shaanxi is still open, the lobby with its protectors sitting in the nicotine haze. The Bbs down the street on Shaanxi Road are closed too.

[QUOTE=Carage;1865771]Could you be a little more specific with girl-on-girl action?

I get threesomes in saunas rather frequently and I agree that two pairs of hands and boobs make thinks a lot more fun.

I've seen girls tickling each other, putting massage oil on each other, kissing each other, but nothing hardcore between them.

No strap-on / dildo play, no fingering, no DATY.[/QUOTE]In over 30 years of mongering, I have had my share of threesomes. That said, I can probably count the good experiences on two hands. Even tried the lesbian show girls in Bangkok go-go bars; only to find out it was just that, a show only! Most of the time, they will only let you do them one at a time and not switch back and forth which is the most fun IMHO. Worst case is that they don't even get in the bed with you together. I've had one even stay in the bathroom while I did the other. Getting them to play around hardcore is nearly impossible. They may make a small effort in this regard to please you but most of the time is not worth the effort because it so obviously fake with their silly giggling, etc.

I do have one suggestion to improve the odds of success. Select one girl and let her select the other. It is always better if they are good friends even if not real girlfriends. The best scenario is if you can find a real bi girl. I knew one in Pattaya and we would go out and pick other girls together. This was where I had my best experiences. She had a better sense than I which girls would be the most cooperative.

Another good value are the girls in training at MPs. You can find this is Guangdong saunas (the ones still in business with this crackdown). Used to be for 100 RMB more they would let a trainee join your session. It is fun to be used as a Guinea pig so to speak as the experienced girl uses you to train the new one.

Just my POV.

OAH.

P.S. On a side note, Annie's MP in Bangkok (if it is still there?) specializes in just this. They used to be off Soi Nana just down from Nana Plaza. The girls are a bit older and not the most attractive but they do a real threesome for you. Perhaps, I should have posted this on the Thailand board!

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1866226]On a side note it seems the Kangding road sauna is advertising again on chinese websites for a few days now.

Considering the current situation in Jingan its likely you have to book in advance.[/QUOTE]I am nearly sure they will "lead" finally to another place. I stay just in the neighborhood of that place and also have some contacts there, but my information is, that they closed first, have been able to reopen, than closed again after some weeks. I even yesterday met one of their managers in another sauna in Xu Hui district who confirmed that he need to change because they are still not reopened. Now the status seems to be that they hope to be one of the 3 saunas they would get the permission to forward their business in this district. So I would guess if you try to go there this days, there will come up a "excuse" why you better not go there. But go to her / his new place now!

So at the moment I would be careful if someone want to lead you to the Kang Ding Sauna. It's very normal for this kind of "agents" to use popular sauna places as a "honeypot" to get new potential customers, but that not always mean they really provide an access to that place finally. This guys get paid by each "head" they bring to a sauna, and I know some guys make 100.000 RMB and more a month with that. Some of them spend 30.000 a month for just an advertisement on this kind of Chinese page, so you can imagine how many customers they could get from there in return, if they are willing to spend that amount. So it is also attractive for guys who use faked girls pictures or pretend to work for a popular sauna. Which not available any more.

I can not be 100% sure. Could be they reopened and all my contacts left. But I would recommend to be careful to follow someone who pretend to bring you to the Kang Ding sauna this days.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1866226]On a side note it seems the Kangding road sauna is advertising again on chinese websites for a few days now.

Considering the current situation in Jingan its likely you have to book in advance.[/QUOTE]I just checked the mentioned phone number, and in fact it belongs to a manager who called Bobo and he has been working for Kang Ding before, but I am also connected with him by wechat and so I know that he is one of the contacts I am in touch with. And I just now asked, if they are back to business or not, and he told me they are still closed! He know that I have been to this sauna several times, so will not be able to bring me somewhere else, so did not pretend they are reopened yet, but I would guess for "newbies" he would play that game (by the way, the wechat gender is shown as "female", but the person I met by chat with that contact was a male).

Have fun,

Any tips for morning MP or sauna given the latest situation in Jing an area? Preferably close to Hongqiao. Much obliged. PM if you like.

TM.

Hi guys,

It has getting very popular in Shanghai now, that the sauna clubs also provide girls service form girls which will not be 18 yet. At the moment there is nearly no sauna which will not have at least one girl who will not be legal age!

We just realized a serious problem that could come up by that.

Many sauna manager will update their wechat gallery with pictures of their working girls.

And the big problem could be, that they also will provide girls pictures there from their working girls who are not of legal age!

Now I know that there are many guys who just "collect" and store this pictures to get a good overview of the sauna lineup.

But in this sauna collections finally you will nearly always find pictures of this girls in sexy outfit, combined with the sex service they offer, sometimes even topless or naked.

If you pass a border with this pictures on your devices (or you get another "raid" because of any reason), you will in worst case be involved in a child porn crime (we already have been faced to topless pictures of girls who have been listed by an age of 13 years)! Which could end up with many years in jail suddenly! So we would recommend to be very careful with this pictures and check and clean your "collection" regarding to this topic.

Without some Chinese skills sometimes not easy to find the age, because they will use different ways to write it, so here some help to find the right pictures:

17年 is easy, it just means she is 17 years old.

99岁 or 00岁 means she has been born in the year 1999 or 2000, so definitely not old enough for collect her picture.

More tricky will be the "Chinese way" to describe the age literally:

蛋 蛋 后 means "before the eggs" and describe the age of a girl born in 2000 or later.

So better be careful, play safe and not bring yourself in trouble with this stuff accidentally.

[QUOTE=Trawlerman;1866473]Any tips for morning MP or sauna given the latest situation in Jing an area? Preferably close to Hongqiao. Much obliged. PM if you like.

TM.[/QUOTE]Got plenty of suggestions. Thanks for responding so quickly!

TM.

[QUOTE=Shanghai Guide;1866346]I am nearly sure they will "lead" finally to another place. I stay just in the neighborhood of that place and also have some contacts there, but my information is, that they closed first, have been able to reopen, than closed again after some weeks.[/QUOTE]

Yep its quite possible considering the current lockdown context in Jing'an. Like I said I don't partake in Sauna scene so I didn't check it myself, just letting people know if they want to check it.
As you said its likely they will be directed to another place where the manager is connected.

Hello friends! I will be in the SCAMHAI area the next week and wanted to check on the whether forecast. I have been informed by a sauna owner in Jing'an that there is a storm on the horizon. In that case I am wondering if I should just go to Nanjing road where there are many nice ladies who offer to take guys like me from the US to "secret" massage bars.

What is the best thing to do whilst the storm makes its way thru the SCAMHAI area?

Thank you in advance for all your profound knowledge!

H1.

Best and safest place to go pickup pretty girl. About 10 pm on.

Manhattan bar.

Judy's 2nd best.

WeChat works good.

You will do fine.

Rainman!

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1866958]Hello friends! I will be in the SCAMHAI area the next week and wanted to check on the whether forecast. I have been informed by a sauna owner in Jing'an that there is a storm on the horizon. In that case I am wondering if I should just go to Nanjing road where there are many nice ladies who offer to take guys like me from the US to "secret" massage bars.

What is the best thing to do whilst the storm makes its way thru the SCAMHAI area?

Thank you in advance for all your profound knowledge!

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Jingan still has many options. The powers that be are only playing the whack a mole game. I had a nice BBBJ for 258. Others report the same to me via pm.

I just completed my first 3 nights and 2 full days in Shanghai. I had no obligations this week so I was only hampered by the long flights from the East Coast and the 12-hour time change. I only point this out because my report really is just a recon relation. I hope to do better when I return next week, assuming the Formula 1 race doesn't screw up the whole city.

First, of all of the cities I have read and reported in, this board was the most difficult to decipher. I RTTF for the entire calendar years of 2015 and 2016. Then, when I realized I didn't know anything, I went back further. All of this cryptic stuff took a little getting used to. And, my friend, Jackson must be pleased because the senior members seem determined to reward those who contribute to his Buenos Aires lifestyle. That's fine, lots of fun times there.

Anyway, this is what I inferred from all of the reading.

MPs: price range $250-$350 plus $100-$200 gringo exploitation for the girl to get naked. Seems to include shower, massage, cat-licking and pretend rimming. These seem to be under a great deal of LE pressure. LE would prefer to be weathermen, so, in Chinese tradition, any reference to them must be disguised as a meteorological euphemism.

SAUNAS: Seems like MPs where FS is implied. Price range $700-$1500.

KTV: Serious mystery. Must be discussed more in 2013 and before. From what little is written, it seems like low-rent FKK or (Brazilian) termas. No idea about pricing.

CLUBS: Only ones widely discussed are Judy's and Manhattan. The girls in Judy's were asking $1000 the night I was there, up to 1500 on weekends. Manhattan reportedly an additional 500.

All prices are in RMB. For a quick conversion to you $ dollars, add half and remove a zero. 1000= 1000+500 = 1500. Then, $150.00 after removing the zero.

This is intended to inspire somebody to post a nice overview.

On to my specific experience (or lack thereof).

During the day, I walked down the long shopping street that ends up at the river very near the "sightseeing pedestrian tunnel," poorly-named as it is actually a really lame ride under the river through lights. Anyway, it is a long street with large stores on both sides and is pedestrian except for the pretend "sightseeing trains" which are also poorly-named. The only sightseeing from these kiddie cars packed with adults are the pedestrians narrowly escaping death as they jump out of the way. During my brisk walk down Nanjing Rd, at least 9 different promoters approached me showing me the identical cards with girls on them. I didn't catch the name of the place, but, in a world where a bunch of foreign mongers communicate in code on a board whose servers are in Germany, these promoters are extremely public and brash. I didn't follow any of them.

Judy's on a weeknight. For those who use Google Maps, two Judy's come up. They have a website to be sure you have the correct address. It is the one farther from Manhattan's if that counts. It is a dingy place, similar to a past-its-prime Midwestern strip club. There is a fairly large stage above a bar situated along one wall of the rectangular room. Tables are laid out systematically throughout the rest of the room. There is an upstairs, but it was closed the night we were there.

Arrived at 915 pm. We were 2 of the first 10 customers. I counted 20 girls initially. By 10:30, I did another headcount and observed 30. I spoke to approximately 10 girls. All said they were from Vietnam. They ranged from early 20's to mid-30's. The majority were early to mid 20's. None was offensive, most were doable, and about 1 in 5 were quite nice. I was offered companionship back to my place by several, all started at 1000. As I was not interested, I did not counter or inquire further. I was SO TIRED.

By 9:45, a Philippine band took the stage. They played classic rock tunes. So-so, but at least they weren't terribly loud. That, along with the intense cigarette smoke that made it hard to see the oversized "no smoking" sign would have made the place intolerable. Beers were 40 RMB ($6. 00).

The next afternoon, I went on a trek to find Buddha. Unfortunately, assuming the pictures I included are of the correct establishment, it is still closed after last month's "weather storm. " The two places a block or two west were open, but I opted not to backtrack and gave up. The only thing I have to say about Buddha is that it's a very inconvenient metro connection and walk from Pudong. My goal is to find something along the #2 Line.

So, I'll be in town a second time for fun Tuesday night April 19. If anyone would like to have a beer and a wingman, let me know. Otherwise, I'll expand my explorations some now that I've figured out some map alternatives and am conditioning myself not to have phone data every second.

FT.

Great extract of all the posts from past 15 months! This does help newbies like me a lot.

I will fly in by beginning of May and did some planning based on the past reports and SNG. I feel like having a solid base of knowledge but you never know till you're confronted with the situation.

Anyone being there on the weekend of May 7th can PM me to hook up for a beer at Judy's.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1866572]

Many sauna manager will update their wechat gallery with pictures of their working girls.

And the big problem could be, that they also will provide girls pictures there from their working girls who are not of legal age!

[/QUOTE]Thanks for the potential child porn update, I have never thought about that.

I guess partly because I prefer more mature looking ladies, so even if they are not of legal age and they manage to fool me.

I doubt any reasonable LE will believe she is not of legal age.

Better yet, I am not into collecting pictures, trophies whatever.

I would prefer to have zero evidence on my phone that suggests I ever went to one.

[QUOTE=FullThrottle;1867074]I just completed my first 3 nights and 2 full days in Shanghai. I had no obligations this week so I was only hampered by the long flights from the East Coast and the 12-hour time change. I only point this out because my report really is just a recon relation. I hope to do better when I return next week, assuming the Formula 1 race doesn't screw up the whole city.

FT.[/QUOTE]Good job, it is obvious you have done your homework. PM me directly if I can help in anyway. Look at the SNG website for his escorts. They come to your hotel and some girls end up on specials. 999 for an hour and typically 1200-1700 for two hours. They have some reviews on them and I have found them as good as any of the viets. The viets can be a lottery however. I will say 90% of the viets I have bedded were worth what I paid. I have taken girls from 22-35 years old. Although I like the 22 year olds, I seem to have a better time with the 35 year olds.

KTVs had a lot of write ups years ago. Its more of a place to go with friends to play drinking games with the girls and take them for take out. If you are thinking FKK, you will be really disappointed. If you are traveling single, steer clear. It took me years to understand it and really doesn't work for me anyway.

I prefer Judy's over Manhattans. The girls seem nicer and less business like. It might just be there bar but the girls I have taken from there were more fun. Could be more coincidence than reality.

Stay safe. Now get out there and get some and tell us about it!

Sam.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1867178]Good job, it is obvious you have done your homework. PM me directly if I can help in anyway. Look at the SNG website for his escorts. They come to your hotel and some girls end up on specials. 999 for an hour and typically 1200-1700 for two hours. They have some reviews on them and I have found them as good as any of the viets. The viets can be a lottery however. I will say 90% of the viets I have bedded were worth what I paid. I have taken girls from 22-35 years old. Although I like the 22 year olds, I seem to have a better time with the 35 year olds.

KTVs had a lot of write ups years ago. Its more of a place to go with friends to play drinking games with the girls and take them for take out. If you are thinking FKK, you will be really disappointed. If you are traveling single, steer clear. It took me years to understand it and really doesn't work for me anyway.

I prefer Judy's over Manhattans. The girls seem nicer and less business like. It might just be there bar but the girls I have taken from there were more fun. Could be more coincidence than reality.

Stay safe. Now get out there and get some and tell us about it!

Sam.[/QUOTE]Full Throttle- In addition to Sam's excellent insight, please keep in mind that saunas are not simply higher priced massage parlors. ("Seems like MPs where FS is implied. ") Sauna girls are clearly higher-end that those in MPs. In fact, girl-for-dollar, Shanghai saunas are even somewhat competitive with Thailand, depending how you look at it. Thailand can get much pricier for a never-pregnant, young hot thing. Again, not everyone wants to spend $200 or more for an hour, but saunas have their niche.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1866958]Hello friends! I will be in the SCAMHAI area the next week and wanted to check on the whether forecast. I have been informed by a sauna owner in Jing'an that there is a storm on the horizon. In that case I am wondering if I should just go to Nanjing road where there are many nice ladies who offer to take guys like me from the US to "secret" massage bars.

What is the best thing to do whilst the storm makes its way thru the SCAMHAI area?

Thank you in advance for all your profound knowledge!

H1.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Knowing how much you dislike scams, I would definitely advise you to NOT go to Nanjing Lu or any of the popular tourist areas. The scammers tend to look for people who do not appear to be local or knowledgeable of their scams.

A saying I like is: "If you don't like the taste, don't eat the food. " If you don't want to be scammed, don't go where the scammers hang out.

[QUOTE=Doitunderwater;1867291]Hi,

Knowing how much you dislike scams, I would definitely advise you to NOT go to Nanjing Lu or any of the popular tourist areas. The scammers tend to look for people who do not appear to be local or knowledgeable of their scams.

A saying I like is: "If you don't like the taste, don't eat the food. " If you don't want to be scammed, don't go where the scammers hang out.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, H1 is street-smart (and went through a steep learning curve)!

Lev.

2 days ago I wanted to visit Tang for the first time; I have read several positive comments and was eager to see it for myself. But when I entered the building the floorguide to the 6th floor had a big sticker, hiding Tangs name and both elevators were not working. I didn't want to climb the stairs to the 6th floor just to find a dark hallway. So I suppose it's closed now. Any ideas?

[QUOTE=Traveller747;1867604]2 days ago I wanted to visit Tang for the first time; I have read several positive comments and was eager to see it for myself. But when I entered the building the floorguide to the 6th floor had a big sticker, hiding Tangs name and both elevators were not working. I didn't want to climb the stairs to the 6th floor just to find a dark hallway. So I suppose it's closed now. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]Strange since SNG reported it open having checked April 2016. Might be good to hear from Steven.

Because I had no success at Tang I chose BaDiYa on Zhaojiabang Road instead. A big building styled a bit like roman baths. After the shower I had to wait about 15 minutes before I was led to the lineup together with a chinese customer. Between 10 and 12 girls to choose from; all doable and in the 7-9 range. It was difficult to decide, so I followed the old wisdom: when in doubt choose the biggest tits. Fortunately the chinese guy took another one, so I didn't have to change plans.

The girl not only had the biggest tits, but also a beautiful face. But as I followed her to the room, I noticed her skinny legs and not much meat on her butt. In the room she was concerned about a big western dick in her small asian pussy. After cleaning me thoroughly, she gave a nice hot and cold BBBJ. The condom came on before she slowly lowered herself onto my dick. A lot of fake moaning, no kissing, but she didn't mind changing positions. So after all no bad experience.

I have one night (tonight) at Pudong airport staying at an airport hotel. Are there any bars with girls out here? Any other suggestions.

Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Traveller747;1867614]Because I had no success at Tang I chose BaDiYa on Zhaojiabang Road instead. A big building styled a bit like roman baths. So after all no bad experience.[/QUOTE]What was the total damage and how long did you stay?

Entered Manhattan around 10.45 and it was so lovely and many picks there tonight. Had a few beers talking and enjoying with many girls. The best part of the girls there is the friendly nature. Finally picked a beautiful viet around 2. Settled for 1000 for remaining night. Overall very GF experienced. Had wechat exchanges and she made me fb friend immediately. DFK / BBBJ / DATY all on menu without prob. Left around 10 in the morning. Had her number and wechat ID if any fellow monger needs.

I just learnt that I will either be transferred to my company's Hong Kong office or (even worse), back to the States next year. After I went RTFF in the Hong Kong and Macau threads, I'm afraid that it will be a major downgrade in quality of play (apartment houses in Dundas Street) and a substantial increase in price (Macau) when compared to Shanghai. I am so dismayed by the unhappy prospect. The only"silver lining" is that I do not have to worry about being busted, landed in jail and deported for mongering in Hong Kong.

Generally, I like to keep it simple, it is a Pay for Play purely business relationship that lasts only as long as the sauna visit.

But, for others on this board who are looking for a more GFE or romantic relationship, don't let the new national security enforcement guidelines get in your way or hit you on the way out.

The PRC Government has officially deemed April 15th as National Security Education Day or National Security Day.

Last weekend, the gov has released a hilarious short that targets every foreigner in China as potential foreign agents.

[URL]http://v.ifeng.com/news/society/201604/0143aabd-66bd-4b3a-afb9-b12569822942.shtml[/URL]

Today, I just read the gov also released an accompanying comic strip that warns Chinese ladies against the "charming foreigner".

[URL]http://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2016/04/19/happy-national-security-day-be-careful-dating-foreigners-they-could-be-spies[/URL]

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1867769]I just learnt that I will either be transferred to my company's Hong Kong office or (even worse), back to the States next year. After I went RTFF in the Hong Kong and Macau threads, I'm afraid that it will be a major downgrade in quality of play (apartment houses in Dundas Street) and a substantial increase in price (Macau) when compared to Shanghai. I am so dismayed by the unhappy prospect. The only"silver lining" is that I do not have to worry about being busted, landed in jail and deported for mongering in Hong Kong.[/QUOTE]Dude- Sorry for you. Shanghai ain't the cheapest in Asia, but it's undoubtedly among the best.

[QUOTE=HardInThePants;1867643]What was the total damage and how long did you stay?[/QUOTE]1 hour is 880 before and 980 after 6 pm.

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;1867743]Entered Manhattan around 10.45 and it was so lovely and many picks there tonight. Had a few beers talking and enjoying with many girls. The best part of the girls there is the friendly nature. Finally picked a beautiful viet around 2. Settled for 1000 for remaining night. Overall very GF experienced. Had wechat exchanges and she made me fb friend immediately. DFK / BBBJ / DATY all on menu without prob. Left around 10 in the morning. Had her number and wechat ID if any fellow monger needs.[/QUOTE]How is the scene in Manhattan only Viets or do we have some other variety also, you could find an odd Thai or some Russians or CIS on and off, even could find a Colombian beauty and some pinays from Judy's would land up here late night. Is the live food guy with fish and meat still outside or gone. Man I miss SHG and the crazy nights I've had in Manhattan.

Are the washroom still at the far corner of the club and you have to walk back all the way in a alley, I used to be so crazy I remember as the light switch used to be at the start of the alley towards the club and while coming back from the WR I used to switch it off whenever there were some hot girls in the WR: Lolls crazy me then.

Anyhow waiting for your update news on Manhattan pussy available.

Mostly Viets and few blacks. But may be 8 Indonesians too. Yes I will agree that its fun out there. Whenever you are out of options you can safely rely on Manhattan compare to Judy. I wish we have more options like it in shanghai. If you compare with Columbian gals in Kama, Guangzhou, there attitude and service is nowhere near these Viets. Always very friendly & smiling. I advice fellow mongers to please keep the rates under control. 500 short time and 1000 rmb long time should be the max and I have never paid above it.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1868244]How is the scene in Manhattan only Viets or do we have some other variety also, you could find an odd Thai or some Russians or CIS on and off, even could find a Colombian beauty and some pinays from Judy's would land up here late night. Is the live food guy with fish and meat still outside or gone. Man I miss SHG and the crazy nights I've had in Manhattan.

Are the washroom still at the far corner of the club and you have to walk back all the way in a alley, I used to be so crazy I remember as the light switch used to be at the start of the alley towards the club and while coming back from the WR I used to switch it off whenever there were some hot girls in the WR: Lolls crazy me then.

Anyhow waiting for your update news on Manhattan pussy available.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1868244]How is the scene in Manhattan only Viets or do we have some other variety also, you could find an odd Thai or some Russians or CIS on and off, even could find a Colombian beauty and some pinays from Judy's would land up here late night. Is the live food guy with fish and meat still outside or gone. Man I miss SHG and the crazy nights I've had in Manhattan.

Are the washroom still at the far corner of the club and you have to walk back all the way in a alley, I used to be so crazy I remember as the light switch used to be at the start of the alley towards the club and while coming back from the WR I used to switch it off whenever there were some hot girls in the WR: Lolls crazy me then.

Anyhow waiting for your update news on Manhattan pussy available.[/QUOTE]Judy's is pretty much all viets and an few African girls. There are a couple white girls at Manhattans but I never spoke to them. The hallway alley is alive in both manhattans and Judy's not sure which one you are talking about. I am no longer going to Shanghai regularly and its a sad day.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1867769]I just learnt that I will either be transferred to my company's Hong Kong office or (even worse), back to the States next year. After I went RTFF in the Hong Kong and Macau threads, I'm afraid that it will be a major downgrade in quality of play (apartment houses in Dundas Street) and a substantial increase in price (Macau) when compared to Shanghai. I am so dismayed by the unhappy prospect. The only"silver lining" is that I do not have to worry about being busted, landed in jail and deported for mongering in Hong Kong.[/QUOTE]I feel your pain North South, all good things must pass. Just make it count while you are there. I am off to another playground in Amsterdam from time to time. I will admit that when you get away from the window girls, the brothels aren't bad and the value is good. My point here is Hong Kong may have a few Gems for you yet.

Stay stiff and enjoy it while you can. Sam Can

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;1868319]Mostly Viets and few blacks. But may be 8 Indonesians too. Yes I will agree that its fun out there. Whenever you are out of options you can safely rely on Manhattan compare to Judy. I wish we have more options like it in shanghai. If you compare with Columbian gals in Kama, Guangzhou, there attitude and service is nowhere near these Viets. Always very friendly & smiling. I advice fellow mongers to please keep the rates under control. 500 short time and 1000 rmb long time should be the max and I have never paid above it.[/QUOTE]For all the guys who blame on the "over-payer" in Manhattan or Judy's.

This kind of discussion come up very often. The idea is, that the girls in Manhattan or Judy's would get used to higher rates and that would ruin the market price and would destroy the chances for the bargain hunter to make a good deal there finally any more.

I am pretty sure, that the "bargain hunter" would better invite the "over-payer" for some free beer instead of blaming them. Because without this guys they would never got their deals any more and in worst case no one of us would get the chance to get any deal their, because they would simply not be there any more if every one would have the same "budget rules" like you mentioned above. Everyone who is here in Shanghai for longer time already will have made the experience, that all around has getting much more expensive. My apartment is 3 times higher than it has been 2008, my shoemaker charge 1400 now for the same I paid 600 in 2008. How should exactly the girls in Manhattan be able to spend 3 times more for their expenses here, but keep their price the same? That would (and will) never work. If they would have to keep the price stable, they would have only the chance to raise up the frequency and meet more clients, what in fact not so easy is but probably the reason why most of the girls try to charge an overnight. One overnight even every night would probably not weep many Girls in that area.

[QUOTE=Traveller747;1867614]Because I had no success at Tang I chose BaDiYa on Zhaojiabang Road instead. A big building styled a bit like roman baths. After the shower I had to wait about 15 minutes before I was led to the lineup together with a chinese customer. Between 10 and 12 girls to choose from; all doable and in the 7-9 range. It was difficult to decide, so I followed the old wisdom: when in doubt choose the biggest tits. Fortunately the chinese guy took another one, so I didn't have to change plans.

The girl not only had the biggest tits, but also a beautiful face. But as I followed her to the room, I noticed her skinny legs and not much meat on her butt. In the room she was concerned about a big western dick in her small asian pussy. After cleaning me thoroughly, she gave a nice hot and cold BBBJ. The condom came on before she slowly lowered herself onto my dick. A lot of fake moaning, no kissing, but she didn't mind changing positions. So after all no bad experience.[/QUOTE]Inspired by Traveller747, I checked out BaDiYa (in Kang Ding's absence). Not bad. I couldn't make the early bird special so paid 980. Decent line-up. No absolute stunners but plenty of hot girls. All in all, very happy with my pick's attitude and performance. She was one of the youngest and hottest, by my standards. (By the way, she told me she earns 450 for each client, servicing 5-9 per day, her daily take far exceeds her monthly salary back home. Plans to work 2 years, then go home buy a house and find a husband. Real illustration of how prostitution can empower some poor women).

Word I've gotten is that the places within the hongqiao police station may possibly open again after the summer. However, new places are opening very near but within the caohejing police station. I know of at least two. One with an English speaking contact.

It's really interesting, little more than an intersection can make a huge difference.

Cheers,

Taz.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1867611]Strange since SNG reported it open having checked April 2016. Might be good to hear from Steven.[/QUOTE]My guess is it might still be open. I used to frequent dongsong, and without saying the magic words to the right person, you'd end up standing in the elevator like an idiot. The button for the 4th floor simply didn't work. However, once you were properly announced, the elevator would magically head up to fun.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1868789]Word I've gotten is that the places within the hongqiao police station may possibly open again after the summer. However, new places are opening very near but within the caohejing police station. I know of at least two. One with an English speaking contact.

It's really interesting, little more than an intersection can make a huge difference.

Cheers,

Taz.[/QUOTE]Actually Gubei is in Changning district so it wasn't affected by the minhang issues (it was end of last year though when things were still ok in Minhang).

Lots of places in Changning.

On a side note the rumor about Hong Mei Road shops closing in June is confirmed as a possibility. But not yet certain (I guess negotiations are still going on.).

Business is horrible in this area though since January so regardless some place may close even if it doesn't become mandatory.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1867611]Strange since SNG reported it open having checked April 2016. Might be good to hear from Steven.[/QUOTE]I just double checked it with the manager and seems their "camouflage strategy" worked well. At least for that guy who tried to go there. Seems without contacting the manager, what this days because of the "alarm level" will fail mostly. I went to 4 different sauna clubs with customers on Friday and Saturday and not even one used their Main door for bring their clients in. So actually I would not recommend anyone to go to any sauna in Shanghai this days without asking forehand if they are open and for the "rules" to find in.

And better not get tricked to a "Honeypot" massage place which use the same name. I had a guy last week who blamed me a lot, because he insist to get the address without get a VIP membership. And next day he told me very proud that he found the Tang Dynasty Sauna and got a massage there. But who ever has been in the Kang Ding Sauna would not call it a "massage" and additional I know the place was really closed this day. That information I even give him without a membership to avoid he waste his time to go there. It was a good feeling to know that this guy has been tricked like that, but not everyone should get this experience. So if the place you come out is NOT on the Qi Xin Road, than something is going wrong.

Have fund and play safe.

LOL. Do you think the girls can't survive in shanghai earning 1000 rmb a night its 30 thousand a month and that too I said after 2.30 am I gave. A gal told me she is paying 100 rmb per day rent on average sharing basis with her friend. Anyway with due regards it was just my opinion and mongers friends are free to pay whatever they want. It can only bother someone because if the going rate is less in Manhattan few saunas can loose some business. But I don't think theres any comparison.

Regards

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1868701]For all the guys who blame on the "over-payer" in Manhattan or Judy's.

This kind of discussion come up very often. The idea is, that the girls in Manhattan or Judy's would get used to higher rates and that would ruin the market price and would destroy the chances for the bargain hunter to make a good deal there finally any more.

I am pretty sure, that the "bargain hunter" would better invite the "over-payer" for some free beer instead of blaming them. Because without this guys they would never got their deals any more and in worst case no one of us would get the chance to get any deal their, because they would simply not be there any more if every one would have the same "budget rules" like you mentioned above. Everyone who is here in Shanghai for longer time already will have made the experience, that all around has getting much more expensive. My apartment is 3 times higher than it has been 2008, my shoemaker charge 1400 now for the same I paid 600 in 2008. How should exactly the girls in Manhattan be able to spend 3 times more for their expenses here, but keep their price the same? That would (and will) never work. If they would have to keep the price stable, they would have only the chance to raise up the frequency and meet more clients, what in fact not so easy is but probably the reason why most of the girls try to charge an overnight. One overnight even every night would probably not weep many Girls in that area.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1866974]Jingan still has many options. The powers that be are only playing the whack a mole game. I had a nice BBBJ for 258. Others report the same to me via pm.[/QUOTE]I don't think it is the time to bet on a game now. A new leader always need to proof his power first and the new leader in Jing An did it actually last Friday by killing his first Mole!

There is (or better was) a sauna in No. 825 yan an Zhong lu, near Shan xi lu called Shu Yi Quan sauna, medium class with girls between 900 and 1400 RMB. They ignored the closing order and that followed up the the first police action against a sauna in Jing An district I hear about yet. This kind of "hot raid" where they come in a running business is not what a sauna is used to. Normally they get the "weather forecast warning", they close, than there will be a cold raid without guest, not workers, girls or manager. Which never will be followed by problems. This "hot raid" brought several people in serious problems. They took around 30 to 40 guests to the police station, where 2 have been released while the others are still arrested.

So I would strongly recommend to avoid any naughty activity this days in Jing An (and Zha Bei) District. Because both under the same administration now!

Have fun but stay safe.

So one of my regular Sauna girls has stopped working due to the "weather"; instead now she is trying to be a freelancer. I want to have her for a full-day outcall (like an entire day, morning to night) - but what would be a reasonable price to pay for something like that? I'm not quite sure, as I've only ever done 1-hour sessions in the past. At the Sauna she used to work at, she was 1000 rmb / hour. Is 3000 rmb reasonable for an entire day outcall? Or is that too low?

Being a very senior member of ISG I think and believe that ISG itself is a guide as it was know previously as guide. There are loads of mongers who share their experiences and opinions and suggestions. Do it need people who are there only to give advices. Question is why some people just keep on giving advices and try to guide others without their personal interests. Are they here to promote some personal saunas or sites. Than they must be posting every thing for their benefits on commissions only. I have seen reports of some so called free suggestions providers. They are seniors with almost 300 reports but I can't find a single FR in their last 30/40 postings. Only comments or suggestions on others postings that too for their own benefit. I hope dear Jackson will be noticing it. ISG don't require guides or suggestions providers. ISG Itself is a huge guide. So please post your field reports and experiences to help each others. Don't behave like news reporters / news providers / free suggestion guides. Regards to everyone.

[QUOTE=Optional;1869069]So one of my regular Sauna girls has stopped working due to the "weather"; instead now she is trying to be a freelancer. I want to have her for a full-day outcall (like an entire day, morning to night) - but what would be a reasonable price to pay for something like that? I'm not quite sure, as I've only ever done 1-hour sessions in the past. At the Sauna she used to work at, she was 1000 rmb / hour. Is 3000 rmb reasonable for an entire day outcall? Or is that too low?[/QUOTE]

As for pricing, it really depends on hotness of girl. You can get an idea from SNG's escorts. Prices are listed.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1868932]I don't think it is the time to bet on a game now. A new leader always need to proof his power first and the new leader in Jing An did it actually last Friday by killing his first Mole!

There is (or better was) a sauna in No. 825 yan an Zhong lu, near Shan xi lu called Shu Yi Quan sauna, medium class with girls between 900 and 1400 RMB. They ignored the closing order and that followed up the the first police action against a sauna in Jing An district I hear about yet. This kind of "hot raid" where they come in a running business is not what a sauna is used to. Normally they get the "weather forecast warning", they close, than there will be a cold raid without guest, not workers, girls or manager. Which never will be followed by problems. This "hot raid" brought several people in serious problems. They took around 30 to 40 guests to the police station, where 2 have been released while the others are still arrested.

So I would strongly recommend to avoid any naughty activity this days in Jing An (and Zha Bei) District. Because both under the same administration now!

Have fun but stay safe.[/QUOTE]Seems saunas / massage parlors in Xuhui operating as usual. Is that right?

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1868932]I don't think it is the time to bet on a game now. A new leader always need to proof his power first and the new leader in Jing An did it actually last Friday by killing his first Mole!

There is (or better was) a sauna in No. 825 yan an Zhong lu, near Shan xi lu called Shu Yi Quan sauna, medium class with girls between 900 and 1400 RMB. They ignored the closing order and that followed up the the first police action against a sauna in Jing An district I hear about yet. This kind of "hot raid" where they come in a running business is not what a sauna is used to. Normally they get the "weather forecast warning", they close, than there will be a cold raid without guest, not workers, girls or manager. Which never will be followed by problems. This "hot raid" brought several people in serious problems. They took around 30 to 40 guests to the police station, where 2 have been released while the others are still arrested.

So I would strongly recommend to avoid any naughty activity this days in Jing An (and Zha Bei) District. Because both under the same administration now!

Have fun but stay safe.[/QUOTE]Wow, I've actually been to the place like 8 years ago.

It is one of the first saunas I visited in Shanghai.

I stopped going there after I realized nuru massage is better than dry massage.

Still sad to hear it got raided.

[QUOTE=Optional;1869069]So one of my regular Sauna girls has stopped working due to the "weather"; instead now she is trying to be a freelancer. I want to have her for a full-day outcall (like an entire day, morning to night) - but what would be a reasonable price to pay for something like that? I'm not quite sure, as I've only ever done 1-hour sessions in the past. At the Sauna she used to work at, she was 1000 rmb / hour. Is 3000 rmb reasonable for an entire day outcall? Or is that too low?[/QUOTE]I think SNG pricing would be too high to compare for a Sauna girl out of work without a website and reviews. If I look at post 10130 below, one girl has stated she gets 2300-4000 rmb per day from a sauna. I would think you could easily get the girl for 2000-3000 for the day (24 hours). This is unless she has quite a client list already built.

Think about it They are banging 5-9 times a day. Unless you are superman, she's probably going to have an easier day with you as well as a more pleasant day where you will take her out to eat etc. Steven's girls (as he has stated) sometimes only get one customer a day for 1200-1500 RMB. But they prefer the work to saunas as it is less work on their bodies. She might welcome a little "boyfriend" like experience. Vs multiple bangs per day.

Just remember, where ever you start is where you will set the price. I would shoot for 2500 and 3000 if you really wanted her. I think this is more than fair and may be more than she expects.

I go to both Shanghai and Guangzhou quiet often.

You should be able to easily fall between 1500-2500 per day, all day.

Rainman

[QUOTE=Optional;1869069]So one of my regular Sauna girls has stopped working due to the "weather"; instead now she is trying to be a freelancer. I want to have her for a full-day outcall (like an entire day, morning to night) - but what would be a reasonable price to pay for something like that? I'm not quite sure, as I've only ever done 1-hour sessions in the past. At the Sauna she used to work at, she was 1000 rmb / hour. Is 3000 rmb reasonable for an entire day outcall? Or is that too low?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;1869074]Being a very senior member of ISG I think and believe that ISG itself is a guide as it was know previously as guide. There are loads of mongers who share their experiences and opinions and suggestions. Do it need people who are there only to give advices. Question is why some people just keep on giving advices and try to guide others without their personal interests. Are they here to promote some personal saunas or sites. Than they must be posting every thing for their benefits on commissions only. I have seen reports of some so called free suggestions providers. They are seniors with almost 300 reports but I can't find a single FR in their last 30/40 postings. Only comments or suggestions on others postings that too for their own benefit. I hope dear Jackson will be noticing it. ISG don't require guides or suggestions providers. ISG Itself is a huge guide. So please post your field reports and experiences to help each others. Don't behave like news reporters / news providers / free suggestion guides. Regards to everyone.[/QUOTE]I welcome all information whether field reports or information that are suggestions. I am an intelligent person that can decide what I want to use and not. More information beats less. Some of us have spent enough time in Shanghai we have opinions and think we can help. Why does it matter what form it takes?

We have one post wonders that only ask for information and trolls that want to stir the pot. In my opinion they are less welcome than anyone trying to help.

Just my POV.

SAM.

Thought of trying some other clubs. To begin reached at the famous club rouge at bund for their terrace opening party. Awesome expat crowd at entry. Told them the gurstlist password and entered without cover. Totally jam packed inside. Costly drinks at 80 rmb whiskey. Dint find the pickup kinda setting so left in an hour. Next one club see, s. Again very good crowd but mostly friends and girlfriends like gatherings. Over to famous basement club shelter. Some action found here. A little gal of around 18 almost ate my lip when I offered her a drink. LOL. Its almost 3. 30 now and raining heavily. Still managed to reach the final destination Manhattan but the pick able ones are all gone already and the leftovers not up to my liking. Back to my hotel. .

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;1867743]Entered Manhattan around 10.45 and it was so lovely and many picks there tonight. Had a few beers talking and enjoying with many girls. The best part of the girls there is the friendly nature. Finally picked a beautiful viet around 2. Settled for 1000 for remaining night. Overall very GF experienced. Had wechat exchanges and she made me fb friend immediately. DFK / BBBJ / DATY all on menu without prob. Left around 10 in the morning. Had her number and wechat ID if any fellow monger needs.[/QUOTE]So can you provide this Viet girl's number or wechat ID?

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I change my clothes, the guide is still in the waiting room, I go to pay while he changes back into his clothes. The cost was 1000 yuan, which is 500 cheaper than I paid for the other girl.

Which session was better I am not sure. They were both good but neither was great. The first girl speaking English was a major plus and maybe she really is going to flight attendant school, that would explain the English. Tonights girl while not quite as attractive, I would rate them both 8's. Despite having a round face, less make up made her prettier. Despite having a small stomach versus a flat stomach and a much bigger looking pussy, the tighter pussy would make her better, and of course the price being 33% cheaper makes her a better deal. However, her ticklishness and not getting to thoroughly grope her or suck her tits between sessions was a negative.

I guess the question is would I repeat with either one. The answer is I could since I had fun with both girls and am certainly going to think about each of them when jerking off. But my prefence is to try someone new, someone younger, someone with a firmer and tighter school girl body.

And the end of the session the guide asked me if I want to try another sauna. But it is already midnight, and I am fighting jet lag plus I just came 2 times. I say no we had better call it a night. We catch a taxi, drop him off and then the driver continues on to my hotel. Where I collapse into bed for some much needed sleep.

I am really looking forward to my next trip to Shanghai, and participating in its nightlife. I plan to opt for the guided option again.

I have her roll onto her back and she spreads her legs wide showing me her pussy. I take her hand and put it on her pussy and she touches herself nicely mostly rubbing her clit but fingering herself up to her first knuckle. Although her pussy is big, I already know how tight it is and looking at her pussy I find the view stimulating and I want to penetrate her. I reach for a condom, T99 grabs the hot kiss and wants to apply it to my dick, but I say no. I have her get in the doggy position I know it is only a half an hour since I pulled out of her pussy but I feel that nice tightness envelop my penis again, and slowly press her from the doggy style position down so she is laying on her stomach, and I am thrusting into her. This goes on for about 10 minutes while my dick throbs with more and more pleasure. She is laying there taking a good pounding, and I tell her to say fuck me. Which she says on each in stroke that I penetrate her pussy. I reach down with my hand feel her pubic hair and I press her pussy back into my dick while I thrust deeply into her pussy causing me to cum. She inspects the condom and seems happy to see so much sperm filling it.

We go back to the shower and she is not annoyed this time. She is playful and quickly rinses herself and then enjoys repeating spraying water all over my face and hair. She offer to shampoo me, but I decline as my skin can be sensitive and I don't know what is in the shampoo. Back at the bed we talk about the different body parts in Chinese and English. We review my sheet of Chinese provinces and capitals. She does at least let me fondle her tits a little bit, but again stops me when I try to suck on them. She flips over and lays on her stomach. She takes a pen and some kleenexs and begins sketching a portrait of me. It is not terrible and she seems to have some artistic talent. She gives it to me as a present. I had brought a 3rd condom with me, and she is asking if I can use it. I say no way. She laughs and smiles so I give it to her as a present. A couple minutes later the phone rings and we are done.

She looks extremely cute all covered in sperm. And it looks like 4 guys just came on her. She also looks a little annoyed that she is wearing so much cum all over her face, which only contributes to her cuteness. After about a minute she gets up to go to the shower. And I try to help her rinse my cum off but she doesn't seem to want me to touch her and slaps my hand away several times. Evenually she grabs some kleenexes to wipe the remaining cum off her face and then resumes her shower. When she is satisfied she has washed off all my cum. She starts to rinse me off. It is hot in the room and I am sweating from my physical exursions. I show her to not only shower my body but also to point the water at my face and my hair. At first she doesn't want to do that, but when she finally does she begins laughing and seems to think it is funny to spray water on my face. But it helps me to cool down so we are both happy.

We return to the bed and she sees more cum on the pillow and on the sheet. I flip the pillow over and she laughs. She cleans the sheet with kleenexs and we lay down on the bed, she wants to do more kissing, I mostly kiss her neck and ear. I want to do groping. She does let me fondle with her tits for a while but will only let me suck on them for a little bit before she stops me. She doesn't want me to touch her armpits. The rest of her body she is pretty squirmy where ever I touch her. I do enjoy it when she plays with my dick and my balls. She lays down on her stomach and allows me to squeeze her ass. Similar to the rest of her body it is not totally firm but very enjoyable to grope. The conversation has ceased, and she is just laying there looking at me. I do find her to be attractive, and laying next to a young naked girl is a great way to pass some time. Pretty soon I feel the blood flowing back into my dick. Each time I squeeze her ass cheek my dick gets a little bit firmer. Normally I need a longer recovery time, but I am happy to see my cock hardening again.

As this point in time I am ready to start fucking. I grab a condom and when I attempt to put it on T99 wants to put some hot kiss gel on my dick. I don't know what that is but I just tell her no, I don't need that. So she spreads her legs wide, but I kneel near her face and gently take her head and have her blow me while I am kneeling on the bed. It is a decent blowjob. I have my hand on her head and I am slowly pushing more and more of my dick into her mouth while she continues sucking on it. She is able to get 4 inches in her mouth. We only do this for short time.

I release her head and she lays back down, smiles and spreads those legs invitingly. I easily sink into her and am pleasantly surprised that despite that big pussy her pussy is tight much tighter than the other girl. I get into a slow methodical in and out rhythm. She is doing some fake moaning but much less than the girl in the other session, which makes this session more enjoyable. As I move in and out of her, she is squeezing with both her arms and her legs on the strokes when I thrust in. I don't know if she thinks that will make me cum faster. I only fuck her for 5 minutes before I roll over and have her ride me cowgirl. I enjoy the view and let her ride for 15 minutes until she is tired from all her bouncing up and down. I had her change the angle three times and since her pussy is tight I stay completely hard. 20 minutes of sex is good, but I am going for more. She seems relieved to get out of cowgirl and offers herself in doggie. I am still amazed by how darn big her pussy looks especially since it is so tight. I easily sink into her but do not move much, as I want to cum. I basically kneel there with my dick thrust up her and her ass pressed into me. I very slowly move in and out. Each time I feel pleasure I stop until the feeling subsides. She is has given up on the moaning, and is just kneeling there ass up, face down, pussy full of my dick. As we approach 30 minutes of sex I can't last much longer.

I pull my dick out, take the condom off and I put her hand on her pussy, and kneel on top of her and start to stroke my dick. She barely has time to move her hand from her pussy to her face and she is indicating none on her face. But it is too late as I am cumming and I have a huge load of sperm. She tries to block with her right hand, but I catch her right hand in my left hand. So she tries to block with her left hand but I am moving my dick around and as large splashes of sperm land on her face, in her hair, on her neck and on her chest and even the top of her stomach. After shot 7 fires out she finally grabs my dickhead with her left hand and block the remaining 3 shots.

We start with a little small talk, but it is very little as she can't speak English and I can't speak Chinese. I did bring a couple of pieces of paper that had some Chinese questions on them as well as a few condoms. I learn she is from Jiangsu. I know that borders Shanghai, and apparently I like Jiangsu girls. Her name is Nan and she is 24 years old (although her picture says 22, perhaps it is 2 years old). Darn, I was hoping for younger as my last girl was 23, and I guess there is really no difference between 23 and 24 other than to say neither is 20 which is more my school girl target age.

Nan takes off her white dress and just as I suspected it is covering the beginning of a slight stomach bulge. Probably normal for a 24 year old girl. But M28 from my prior trip had a totally flat stomach. I have Nan walk over and I put my left hand on her front and reach around with my right hand and undo the three clips on her bra. She seemed impressed with that. Getting to see her tits for the first time, I am happy. They are nice small A cups (although her photo said be cups), and she looked like the girl with the smallest tits in the line up. She has small nipples. Her breasts are not totally firm like a was hoping, but they are very good. Again I would say this is normal for a 24 year old girl. She gyrates around and dances in front of the bed, she tries to get me to dance with her, but I did not come here to dance. She takes her shoes off and she was wearing 5 inch heels so she is about 5 feet 4 inches. She removes her panties and we go to the shower. It is nice to shower with her and get my hands on her body. I also needed a shower after that long flight. She smiles as she runs her hand through my chest hair and says she likes it. As she strokes my chest hair she puts my hand on her pussy hair and asks if I like it? I say I do. She says USA girls motions with her fingers like she is cutting her pubic hair? I say yes.

Next she moves me onto the Nuru massage. I have never done this before and I am not sure what all the fuss is about. When I am on stomach I can't really touch her. The layer of goup she applies so she slides easily is not pleasing to me. I think she can sense something is not right, probably because I am not hard. She is slipping and sliding so fast that I don't find it pleasurable or sensual. I experience this for about 10 minutes hoping it improves, until I tell her I have had enough. We shower again to remove all the Nuru jelly from our bodies.

We move to the bed and feel each other up for a bit. I lay on my back, and she starts at my mouth with some kissing. I am not that big of a kisser but we kiss for a short time. She slowly works her way down, stopping to lick my nipples. When she gets to my dick, I prevent her from popping it in her mouth and instead have her lick the shaft. Then I point at my balls, and she goes and spends about 5 minutes sucking on them. It was of the better ball licking and sucking I have experienced. If she was worried I wasn't hard during the Nuru, she seems pleased with my hard on now.

I have her scoot up and switch positions. She is laying on her back and spreads her legs wide so I can fuck her. But I have some other ideas. I start licking and kissing her neck and her ear gently nibbling my way down her body. I am not pleased that she is extremely ticklish. She starts to giggle when I press my lips against most parts of her physique. Although she does let me suck her tits for a few minutes, when I try her stomach or her legs she gets all squirmy, so I really did not get to grope and lick her as much as I wanted. I tried flipping her over and working on her back side, but she was just as ticklish there and seemed happy to quickly return to her front side.

Instead I head down between her legs and inpect her pussy. It a big looking pussy. My other sauna girl had a small pussy. I can't help but compare the two. They are both from Jiangsu and about the same height. The other girl had a perfectly flat stomach, a very small looking pussy and a smaller ass, and was comfortable letting me grope her the whole session and I spent as much time as I wanted with her tits in my mouth. Plus she had one inverted nipple which was sexy. She could speak English. Both girls have equally nice tits and neither was completely firm. T99 has a rounder smaller face. I think the other girl is naturally prettier. However, T99 is wearing a lot less make up and in general the lack of make up makes her the prettier of the two. T99 also has a little stomach and a slightly bigger ass. Not a big ass, still a sexy ass, but slightly bigger. T99 has a substantially bigger pussy. But T99's best attribute is her pussy feels much tighter. She does a much better masturbation show, and she licks my finger and lets me insert it into her while she is masturbating. I press her G spot a couple of times but she doesn't seem to like that, so I stop.

It is now 11:00 pm And this sauna is in a much newer building and nicer facilities than the the other. We change out of our clothes but the shorts they provide are too small and we struggle to wiggle into them. The sauna guy finally gets bigger shorts for us to use and tell us just to keep our shirts on instead of changing into their shirts. We are presented a line up of 9 girls. None look that hot or that young. The majority have see-cup tits which are too big for me. There are 2 girls whose tops obscue their torsos so I can't judge their bodies. There is one who I find more attractive than the others, she is T99. She is wearing a see through white dress over her underwear, and I am worried that dress is obscuring her figure. I can also see her bra strap is very thick, which is a warning sign for droopy tits. I decline all of the girls, and we go back to the waiting room.

We are called back 15 minutes later and we see the same line up with 2 more girls. Neither of the new girls look especially attractive. It is getting late, I am tired with jet lag and I decide best to take T99 instead of waiting another 15 minutes. As for the guide he declines a session since he likes the same type of girls I do and they are just not here tonight. He allowed me to take the one he thought was most attractive also. He settles back into the waiting room while I head off to the session room.

This report picks up where the last one left off. When I next checked my email there was a reply from the SNG people. They received my request but were a little backed up and if I was still in town, they would send a person to me for the guided sauna visit. Unfortunately, I had already left China, but I replied I would take advantage when I am back in few months.

Fast forward same story as last time, I fly into Shanghai, and have a free night before my work meetings start. I get in touch with SNG and make arrangements to meet my guide at Perry's bar in the Jing An district. This is an old bar and it was reasonably empty but had cold beer.

The guide arrived at 7:30 pm, he was a wealth of knowledge on the sauna scene. He helped me to translate the Chinese on the picture from the M28 girl on at my prior visit. Told me that it says. Airline flight attendant trainee. Aparently when she gets too old for the Sauna, she plans to be a stewardess.

We talk about the kind of girls that I like which are young, and thin with small perky tits. Turns out he likes the same type. He shares stories about his many sexual escapades around Shanghai. I know we have been sitting in the bar for a while but the conversation was so fascinating and it is rare I am around another guy who appreciates and understands my desired female company. I am shocked when we leave Perry's and see we have been conversing for 2 hours, and it is now 9:30. We taxi to the sauna, he tells me this is a new sauna he is researching and they are known for having young girls. I think awesome, I like young girls. We enter and it is busy. There are dudes everywhere. This is why it is important to have a guide, as I would have never understood what was going on. They tell us, we will need to wait. And even their waiting room is full, so we are taken to the locker room and wait there. After 15 minutes they come to offer a girl. She is not that young, I would guess mid 20's. She has see cup tits with a small droop to them. She also has the beginning of a small stomach. She is definetly not what I am seeking. It stands to reason if they are so busy, she is the one girl none of the other guys want. We wait 15 more minutes and this doesn't seem to be working out. The guide takes a picture of the building and we move to a second sauna.

I get dressed and for the first time I notice the thermostat on the wall and it says 27 degrees celcius, that is over 80 fareheight. No wonder it hot in the room, although M28 did not seem hot and actually thought is was a little cold. She walks me back to the locker room where the tout is. I retrieve my stuff from the locker and we go to the cashier. It cost $1500 yuan. A reasonable price, although certainly not cheap.

The pros are the girl was hot and she was willing. She was nice and she could speak some English. It was easy getting changed in the room with the girl.

The cons are she was not aroused and it had a bit of a mechanical feel. Also communication was limited because of the language barrier. Next time I will bring my dictionary into the room with me. There was a small selection or girls, and you don't get to see the girl's tits before you choose her. I would also like to know their ages before I choose them.

There are way worse ways to spend eighty minutes.

As I am leaving I asked them to get a taxi for me, but the tout just takes me outside to Henan Lu, and tells me to flag one down for myself. It take me about 15 minutes before I find one that does not already have a passenger.

Having taken care of my balls, other pressing biological needs become my priority. I am both hungry and tired. And although food is appealing, I opt for the bed to get some much needed relaxing sleep, as I know the breakfast buffet will be waiting for me in the morning.

This goes on for maybe 10 minutes before I can hear the girl in the next room getting fucked and she is screaming similar to the way M28 was screaming about half an hour earlier. I wonder if they teach them to scream that way. Not only can I hear the girl screaming but the guy is grunting away pretty loudly like he is totally enjoying himself. As I listen to their sexual relations I start to wonder what they look like and think it would be fun to watch them as well as listening to them. I look down at my dick and it is back to being hard again. I am surprised by this, but I think I am not wasting a hard on, worst thing is I stick it in M28 and am not able to cum. So I wake her up from her nap and say give me a condom, and she asks if I want to fuck?, and I say yes fuck. So she puts the condom on me and grabs her tube of lube to wet her pussy. She gets in the doggy style position and I quickly slide in her. Again I am not getting much feeling, out of this, even though she looks hot with her ass up and her face down. I push her down until she is laying on her stomach which causes my dick to pop about half way out of her pussy, so she reaches her hand between her legs and guides my cock back in. With this position she has her legs pressed together making her pussy tighter. I still hear the couple in the next room banging away while I start a slow and methodical in and out motion on her. I can see with each in stroke her eyes slightly bulge and she is definitely feeling me poking her cervix, as she says big dick almost every time I thrust into her. I like the way she looks with me being on top of her going into that small sexy body. I am getting harder and harder and eventually get ready to cum again. I know we don't have too much time left.

So I take my right hand slide it down under her body, push it through her pussy hair until the palm of my hand is full with her pussy hair. I take my two fingers and press her pussy lips together around my dick increasing the tightness of her pussy and stroke in and out until I finish. See smiles when I cum. I am not sure if it because I am pulling out of her pussy or because she made me cum. She take the condom off and again remarks on what a big load it is and says that is the amount guys usually shoot for their first load. We rinse off in the shower, and just as we are finishing drying off we climb back on the bed and the phone rings for the end of the session.

We return to the bed and she asks if I want her to massage me. I say no. She asks if I want to massage her and I say no. So we just lay down on the bed and start to talk. We have some trouble because of language but she knows quite a bit of English. As we are laying there I continue to feel her up, and I have her hold my dick in her hand. She tells me she is from Jiangsu province. She is 23 years old (although her photo says 21, mayber it was taken 2 years ago) and at 23 that is why her tits are slightly soft, and normal for a 23 year old. She has a younger brother and sister. I am surprised by this as I thought they have a 1 child policy in China but I confirm it with her several times. She says she thinks all Americans are weathly and Chinese are poor. However I know a lot of rich Chinese. She tells me her name is Baby. I think this is the default name for sauna girls in China. She says she wants me to come and see her again while I am in town. I ask if she has a lot of foreign customers and she says almost no foreigners just Chinese. We practice teaching eash other the names of the different body parts in English and in Chinese.

At one point she gives a big yawn, and I ask her if she is tired, and she says yes. She asks if I want a massage, I say no. She asks if I want to massage her and I say no. She is holding my totally soft dick in her hands and asks if I want fuck, and before I can answer she just laughs knowing I would need a hard on before that is possible. She asks if I want to sleep. I say no, She asks if she can sleep, and I say ok.

It take her less than 5 minutes to fall asleep and this is the first thing she has not been faking. She is completely naked lying on her stomach and her breathing is rhythmic and peaceful. She looks beautiful like this accept for the heavy layer of make up caking her face. I curl up next to her and grope her while she is sleeping. I start with the side of her left breast, slding my hand down the left side of her stomach cupping her ass check and then mainly focusing on rubbing her ass. As I alternate between both cheeks squeezing lightly while touching her pussy and ass.

In the shower she starts to wash me, and I get hard the moment her hand contacts my dick. She runs her hand across my chest and says she likes the hair, I guess that is not common for Chinese guys, but I am glad she likes it as I have plenty of chest hair. She gives me a light rinsing all over and then proceeds to give me a hand job in the shower. When she is sufficiently pleased with my hard on. She turns me around and rinses my back and gives me a towel to dry off. She then proceeds to wash herself. I just watch her. She asks me to lie down on the bed and she will start the massage. She uses her hands for about a minute and then moves onto putting water in her mouth and concentrates on sucking my right nipple. I think this is what I want to be doing to her.

One negative is she is wearing lipstick and leaving lipstick marks on my chest and face where she is kissing me. I finally take more control and pull her on top of me and start to squeeze and kiss her body. I inhale her breasts. She says she likes that. And finally she states that I want to massage her. So she flips over on her back and I start to kiss and lick her. She seems to like having her neck nuzzled and her ear bitten, she is surprised that I like licking her armpits and thinks that is weird. I lick both her front and her back side I take her hand and put it down on her pussy indicating her to touch herself. She does this but is not aroused at all. I put my face down by her pussy and I do not detect any scent. I go to insert my finger in her pussy but she stops me and says no for hand, only for dick.

I comply with her wishes. She says ok, now she massages me again and has me lie back down. She begins to lick my balls and my shaft but when she gets to my cock I am telling her I want to use a condom, but she doesn't understand and all she gets out of condom is that I want to have sex. She keeps saying ok, you fuck me now. So after a few trys at communicating this, I say ok I fuck you now. She puts the condom on me, rolls over and lays down on her back, spreads her legs in the missionary position and takes lube from her purse to make her pussy wet. I knew she wasn't aroused.

She says my dick is very big. Usually I call BS on this but I guess in China my six inches could be considered big. Despite her small looking pussy. After a moment or two, I slide right in and she is quite capable of handling my dick and a much larger sized dick. As I first penetrate her, her eyes bug out like I hit a sensitive spot, but she wiggles her hips and adjusts the angle so she can easily accommodate me. Once in this position I get into a good rythym pounding her pretty hard. She has begun screaming moaning. I would normally tell a girl to be quiet, but I figure here, let her scream. I can further tell by her screams that these are not screams of arousal, but a well practiced and reheasrsed routine of fuck me screams. It is almost as if she wants to let the management know she is fucking her customer.

Several times she thinks I have finished and scoots out from under me only to check the condom and see no sperm in it. Each time she opens her legs wider and I resume pounding her. Pushing her legs up closer and closer to her head, which also makes her pussy feel tighter and tighter. At one point she seems to tire of screaming and just lies there as I pound into her. This goes on for about 15 minutes before I notice that I am getting hot and starting to sweat, so I tell her to get on top and ride me cow girl. She does but she is not a very tight in cowgirl. I just watch her hot body bouncing up and down and I enjoy the visual and enjoy her doing the work instead of me. But with the condom, the jet lag, the lube, and her pussy not being that tight. I am actually getting softer instead of harder.

So she suggests we change to doggy and I pound her pussy again for a few minutes. This time she makes better moans and she is not screaming but keeps saying big dick over and over again each time I thrust into her. She stops to check the condom and we have been having sex for more than 20 minutes, so I say ok, I will finish and have her lay down on the bed, take off the condom and I go to put my dick by her face. She motions no face, but tits are ok. I try several times to convince her for face. In having this negotiation, I go soft.

Instead I lay back down on the bed and I have her lay on top of me and suck her left breast with the inverted nipple and stroke my dick with my right hand. I was planning to just get good and hard and then flip her over but I stroked a little too hard and start cumming so I quickly pull her down on top of me and cum all over her stomach. She remarks at how much cum I have, and it was a pretty huge load. She actually plays with the cum a bit rubbing it into her skin before getting up to go in the shower and rinse us both off.

We walk across a short hall and I am brought into a room with 5 girls. I was expecting a much bigger selection, maybe these are the ones who are willing to be with a foreigner. A lady in charge approaches me with a price sheet showing how much to pay for the different letters. This matched the prices on the SNG site. I was planning to take an A or S girl as I like girls with small breasts. But of the 5 girls the only one that seems to have small breasts is the M girl. I know she is more expensive, I look hard at their faces to see if any are old. It is more difficult to tell on Asian girls. None of the girls are smiling or even look happy. I select M28 as she seems to be the only one with small tits, although I worry that she has deflation issues as her bra has a thick strap with 3 clips on it and that is a warning her tits may not be firm.

When I select M28, she does smile and comes toward me, takes my hand and arm and leads me around the corner down a short hallway. There appears to be some kind of dressing room where several more girls are putting on makeup. There is a room next to it with two girls laying on the bed. M28 walks into that room rouses the girls from the bed and kicks them out. We enter the room and M28 puts a new sheet on the bed, and gives me a hug and I smell her for the first time, and she has a nice fresh young female scent. She says in English she is happy I chose her and to take my cloths off and wash. I am shocked as I didn't think she would be able to speak any English. Her English isn't perfect but it is way better than my Chinese. I say you can speak English, and she says only a little. I think I got very lucky with her. I am confused about where to put my clothes and she montions on the radiator. I think the radiator will be hot but it isn't. I strip down and go into the shower. She strips down. Next time I think I will want to undress her. She looks nice. She is about 5 feet 3 inches. She has no fat on her, very flat stomach, nice ass and a serious thigh gap. Her tits are small A cups, exactly what I wanted. Her left breast has an inverted nipple and her right has a regular nipple. She looks sexy as hell. Her tits are not as firm as I hoped but certainly enjoyable. She is wearing a lot of make up and she is pretty girl who would look better with less make up. She has a reasonable amount of pussy hair and a small looking pussy.

A few minutes later I am out of the hotel picking up a card with the hotel name on it so I can return easily. I enter a taxi parked in front of my hotel. It takes me almost 5 minutes to convince the driver to call the phone number I wrote down on a piece of paper on his cell phone. I finally give him 100 yuan note in advance to get him to make the call. The Sauna gives him the address and off we go.

I have just arrived in Shanghai and I realize I am both hungry and tired with the jet lag. I probably should have stayed in my hotel, but I have a full agenda of work planned this week and doubt there is another night I will have the time to pursue femine company. Plus, after the stress of traveling, I could really use some the sexual release.

It doesn't take the driver long to reach the spa, maybe 20 minutes. He starts to make change for my 100 yuan and I tell him to keep it but have him call the number again. This time when I ask for an English speaking person the guy can barely speak English and asks me to give the phone back to the taxi driver.

We are someplace close to the intersection of Henan Lu and Fuxing Lu. I see a Tesco across the street from us. Two minutes later the tout appears to collect me. I again try talking to him in English but he can't understand me.

We walk diagnol across the street along a small street until we get to a non descript building with a non descript door that leads to a stair case going down. Once we get down he takes me to a locker room. There are several other guys in it. I put my shoes and sweatshirt into the locker. He motions to me to stop getting undressed, but does tell me to put my book into the locker. That was the phrasebook I was going to use to talk to the girl. Oh well I will see how this goes. He gives me a wrist band for the locker and some slippers to wear.

My first impression of China is it has changed a lot. The people seem far less rude and pushy and much more helpful and accommodating. There is significantly less spitting and less people chain smoking. It used to be in every restaurant or public area was a fog of smoke. I would say smoking has declined dramatically. China is cleaner than I remember. What has stayed the same is no one can understand me despite my attempts to speak Mandarin.

I arrive at my hotel and get changed. I had emailed the people at SNG multiple times and they did not respond. The first thing I do when I reach my room is call them but the number has a message saying it is disconnected. I think I am out of luck, and I will just have to stay in my room and jack off. I do have a work phone but they monitor who we call, and I couldn't see calling a brothel and trying to explain that. So I pretty much have to use my room phone.

I decide I will make a few phone calls and hope I find an English speaking person. I try calling the Dong Guan spa, as the SNG mentions they may speak English. I ask for an English speaking person. They get a lady who can speak almost perfect English, and she says that I should call her from the taxi. I explain that I don't have a phone I can use. She asks about Wechat, I said I don't have that either. Finally she says then have the taxi driver call her.

I have mongered in Mexico from 2004 – 2007, Brazil in 2009, and back to Mexico in 2011. Since then I changed jobs and didn't have to travel internationally anymore. However; in 2016 I changed jobs again and began traveling to China.

This is my fifth trip to China (although never mongered before in China) and my third visit to Shanghai. On my second trip, I got really lucky and scored a local Chinese girl, she was in her late 20's although she didn't look a day over 18. She was from Beijing and she liked to fuck. It was definetly a highlight that seems impossible to repeat.

I have yellow fever for those slim sexy Asian girls. They are just my body type with flat stomachs, small tits, and small asses. I am frequently experiencing major hard ONS when people watching in China.

On my subsequent China trips nothing worked out. Despite my desire, and an abundance of girls, I can speak maybe 25 Chinese words, so I can ask simple questions like where is the toilet. I don't understand any Chinese and even if people answer me, I don't know what they are saying. So I basically need a girl who can speak a little English, and wants to take the time to translate their way through an experience with me. I find most Chinese girls are not interested in me and even if some are, few have the patience to struggle through my language challenges.

Now I have had numerous hot and seemingly young horny Chinese girls approach me in various bars and nightclubs. But Marelobo is no fool, and can smell a scam from a mile away so I have stayed away from those seemingly too eager or too good to be true honies. Possibly I being am over cautious but I am aware of many stories of guys having problems with these girls and believe I am smart to save myself huge headaches and financial issues.

I have thought about escorts but she would need to come back to my hotel. That presents too many problems. First she could learn my identity through my room can cause trouble with my company. Second another person from my team could see her in the hotel with me and that could cause trouble. Who knows who else she could invite to my room. So my preference is to go where the girls are.

Since my last trip was 9 years ago I have discovered the SNG site. This seems like a great option. You can get with a pre-selected group of hot young willing girls who will not rip you off. Also I thought I would try the guided sauna option as this would prevent me from having to worry about finding the sauna or understanding what to do in the sauna.

Being Saturday started with my once favorite club M2. Good crowd there but the its the general club crowd which was good. The professional girls all were looking cheap stuff. Still lots of things kept me busy there for two hours. Than left and reached Manhattan again. Two gals caught my eyes but they were gone before I take any action. Than came again the Viet gal whose number I shared with many friends already. She met like a known friend and asked if am interested to take her. I offered 500 short time its already 3.30. I thought it was safe to take her instead if new one as the chemistry was better now. In short had a nice session again with really OK BBBJ. Will try the club Lola soon and write a FR for all you guys soon.

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;1869535]Thought of trying some other clubs. To begin reached at the famous club rouge at bund for their terrace opening party. Awesome expat crowd at entry. Told them the gurstlist password and entered without cover. Totally jam packed inside. Costly drinks at 80 rmb whiskey. Dint find the pickup kinda setting so left in an hour. Next one club see, s. Again very good crowd but mostly friends and girlfriends like gatherings. Over to famous basement club shelter. Some action found here. A little gal of around 18 almost ate my lip when I offered her a drink. LOL. Its almost 3. 30 now and raining heavily. Still managed to reach the final destination Manhattan but the pick able ones are all gone already and the leftovers not up to my liking. Back to my hotel. .[/QUOTE]Prince after bar rouge which are the other two clubs you went to unable to break your codes man, tell us clearly so we all can enjoy those places also.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;1869850]I have mongered in Mexico from 2004 2007, Brazil in 2009, and back to Mexico in 2011. Since then I changed jobs and didn't have to travel internationally anymore. However; in 2016 I changed jobs again and began traveling to China.

This is my fifth trip to China (although never mongered before in China) and my third visit to Shanghai. On my second trip, I got really lucky and scored a local Chinese girl, she was in her late 20's although she didn't look a day over 18. She was from Beijing and she liked to fuck. It was definetly a highlight that seems impossible to repeat.

I have yellow fever for those slim sexy Asian girls. They are just my body type with flat stomachs, small tits, and small asses. I am frequently experiencing major hard ONS when people watching in China.

On my subsequent China trips nothing worked out. Despite my desire, and an abundance of girls, I can speak maybe 25 Chinese words, so I can ask simple questions like where is the toilet. I don't understand any Chinese and even if people answer me, I don't know what they are saying. So I basically need a girl who can speak a little English, and wants to take the time to translate their way through an experience with me. I find most Chinese girls are not interest...[/QUOTE]MM you should try the bodi boutique hotel it has the bodi spa, best quality girls with the hottest and craziest service with decent levels of English. Its one of the best and most discreet places with a fixed price of 680,880 or 980 only two set of girls and rooms but absolutely excellent and classy service. I've stayed in bodi hotel numerous times sexy rooms and even a sexier spa.

Secondly you should try the Manhattan bar I forgot the street, just read the forum a bit back and you will find it it is near Molly Mallones and Judy's and each and every taxi knows about it you will find excellent vets who speak good English and eager to please you, it will be easier and better for you. There are many short time hotels or apartment nearby walking distance and the girls know about it or even better the girl can take you back to her place easily.

Simple and easy for you.

Any how absolutely awesome frs, you wrote in 5 or 6 different FRs can be done in 1 FR or max 2 FR also but no issues.

Cheers: I miss shanghai so much.

Alex

Welcome to Shanghai. Thank you for you DETAIL posts. To me, it may be too much information. I felt like I was reading My Life and Loves by Frank Harris, or an unedited letter to the Penthouse Forum. I had to skim through the long posts and might have missed some salient points. Name of the saunas, approximate location, price and a brief review of the place and girls might suffice. We may not need a play by play. I also agree with you visits to saunas may be your best option, when you do not want people from your team see you bringing the girls to your room.

I agree with you that Shanghai is close to the top for mongering, and Chinese women are very attractive and genteel. Even when they are in the profession, they do not have the hard edge you often find in working girls from some other places. And few of them are junkies. I bemoan the fact that I will be transferred out of the city in another 11 months.

Hey MM, I enjoyed the story. I am not traveling to Shanghai anymore (or at least like I used to- I hope to get back once a year). So the detailed report was enjoyable and brought back some adventures.

North South, I understand your comments. However when you are on the outside looking in (as I am). It's a little more fun to read. Yes it was a blow by blow so to speak and I wouldn't want the forum full of these too many of these, . It was a perfect meal for what I needed.

Thanks guys, I am looking forward to getting back to Shanghai someday. Hopefully It's before the party is over.

SAM.

I agree Bodi is a very good sauna with many hot women and decent prices. But I do not think the prices there are as low as you stated. When I was there, there is nothing less than 900 rmb. If you want a better room, it is 1200. The prices may be higher now, because many saunas have raised the price. Both price tiers are for 60 (or 70?) minutes, however multiple shots at the goal are allowed. But like I said, the service there may be more restrictive. The several girls I was with did not allow finger in the treasure box or fine dining. YMMV however, it might had been just me.

I wrote C's but in final print it changed. Don't know how. Second one was shelter. You should also try Lola if have time.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1870102]Prince after bar rouge which are the other two clubs you went to unable to break your codes man, tell us clearly so we all can enjoy those places also.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

Dear,


Nice job. But bro please try to keep the FR as short and straight as possible. You fucked a girl and made almost 15 FRs out of it. Haha. Keep the good work going.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1870188]Welcome to Shanghai. Thank you for you DETAIL posts. To me, it may be too much information. I felt like I was reading My Life and Loves by Frank Harris, or an unedited letter to the Penthouse Forum. I had to skim through the long posts and might have missed some salient points. Name of the saunas, approximate location, price and a brief review of the place and girls might suffice. We may not need a play by play. I also agree with you visits to saunas may be your best option, when you do not want people from your team see you bringing the girls to your room.

I agree with you that Shanghai is close to the top for mongering, and Chinese women are very attractive and genteel. Even when they are in the profession, they do not have the hard edge you often find in working girls from some other places. And few of them are junkies. I bemoan the fact that I will be transferred out of the city in another 11 months.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1870195]I agree Bodi is a very good sauna with many hot women and decent prices. But I do not think the prices there are as low as you stated. When I was there, there is nothing less than 900 rmb. If you want a better room, it is 1200. The prices may be higher now, because many saunas have raised the price. Both price tiers are for 60 (or 70?) minutes, however multiple shots at the goal are allowed. But like I said, the service there may be more restrictive. The several girls I was with did not allow finger in the treasure box or fine dining. YMMV however, it might had been just me.[/QUOTE]NorthSouth I am talking 5-7 years ago, bodi was a super fresh new hotel black building disgusting look from outside inside very chick very sexy the rooms very just awesome I have no words the lobby was super small and pathetic the breakfast I never tried and the spa I had no clue in the first 3 or 4 stays then my local chinese contacts took me there and from then I was hooked upon alost everyday after the exhibition which was very near to the bodi hotel I would come back change and be in spa by 6 or 7 pm the price I rememer was this only mate as they used to charge to my room maybe in these years and inflation it has changed.

And after the first I think 5 or 6 sittings there is this entrance from the hotel directly to the spa back and forth, I just went chose the women and she would accompany to my room and my room was a bliss I used to fuck women on the dining table in the rain shower in the bath tub everywhere and then order room service for them they were just so flattered by the thrid or the fourth visit I was like one of the most admired foreign customer in bodi and women used to say I am so good heart used to tip everyone and then treat the women nicely I cannot tell you what crazy times I've had and bodi lolls wish I had started to write then.

Women were just super hot in bodi fucking sexy and amazing body and sex was out of the world I so miss the hot cold BJ and then the chinese red rope ohhhhhhhhh and then inverted BJ man you refreshed my memories about bodi and I am hard all the more as I ve not had a lay since 7 days now. Gosh it was crazy.

Cheers man: Shanghai I am coming back soon.

Alex.

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;1870226]I wrote C's but in final print it changed. Don't know how. Second one was shelter. You should also try Lola if have time.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Prince Buddy,

So kindly update the location and type of girls available in these places with the latest pricing structure you my man seem to be a precise information power house.

Bar Rouge.

See's.

Shelter.

Lola.

I had also gone to Hollywood, Mint or M2 then this club opposite mint forgot the name but it was also classy and sexy.

Cheers.

The MP at 250 YuYuan Road is closed and will not re open, a worker there tells me. She can stay there only one more day, then has to move on. The 1808 Beijing Road location was closed a week earlier this month. It is also closed. Feels like a death in the family.

In Shanghai, I think the girl quality is in the following order: KTV sauna massage parlors, but the min room cost in KTV always stops me from going alone. So I'm wondering whether I can find buddies here to go KTV together, so that we can share the room cost, mummy's tips and some other expenses?

[QUOTE=AndyTime;1871043]In Shanghai, I think the girl quality is in the following order: KTV sauna massage parlors, but the min room cost in KTV always stops me from going alone. So I'm wondering whether I can find buddies here to go KTV together, so that we can share the room cost, mummy's tips and some other expenses?[/QUOTE]There's a group organized by Shanghai Nightlife Guide on wechat that sometimes goes together. Might be your best bet.

It is a little confusing. I passed by earlier this evening a few foot massages places in S HóngméI Road that were closed with seal tags from the Minhang LE on their doors. The tags were gone and there were girls in there and Johns going in. I do not do foot massage places so I went to my favorite sauna located in a hotel in Zhūháng. The front door was still padlocked. I went around the back where the secret entrance was. The look out was nowhere to be found. I texted my contact and the message was not returned.

Thinking this was my last pass through China I decided to pull out all the stops.

Went to Bodi on a Friday afternoon and had 30 to 40 girls to choose from.

Chose a tall blond from Harbin who actually spoke a little English.

Routine as described. She talked constantly, calling me husband unless she had my dick in here mouth.

She actually encouraged fingering her pussy as it made it extremely wet.

I thought it a little expensive but it was my bucket list so enjoyed every minute of it.

She said her boss had 8 such establishments in Shanghai but that Bodi was the nicest.

Definitely an experience to remember.

A separate mention of this newly established sauna in suburbs of shanghai is warranted. The place is not at a walk able but taxi able distance from exit 4 of Qibao station (4 rmb from puxie) . Spa is located on 6th.

Floor of Shuyou commercial building. However rates are more or less similar to other spas like Red house or Dongguan etc. They arrange lineup of 25 girls in standard format of A,M,T Etc. As argued elsewhere the.

Distinction among st girls is a bit flimsy. At least I did not like a few of M or T type babes. I selected A72 in Dongguan and M rype (1480 l here. Some curves are mandatory for me, especially straight sticks in place of.

Thighs is avoidable. This babe Aamu was bit curvy with good ass! Staying power surely matters if you want to please the babe! But if you succeed in pleasing the collateral advantage is DFK! Also she allowed her ass pic!

A photo is no no in such spa's but here as they retain your shoes only while allow you to hang your clothes in the room itself; Obviously you carry your mobile with you. The babe tried to over please me by doing elaborate nuru.

Massage after marathon sex. Obviously Marathon means more efforts on man's part. However let me offer disclaimer that efforts on woman's part are no less considering the weight she has to carry on her chest in.

Missionary position! And if you are obese then she had it.

Another plus is minimal food buffet they had arranged which is conspicuous by its absence at other places unlike at FKKs. ! A good fruit dish and juice is what your body craves for after a sex exercise of 90 min.

Coming to Shanghai (at least that is the current plan) next week.

Any one tried Rain in Shanghai, all one word, dot com?

Prices for outcall are between 1200 and 1500 RMB?

Any stories of tears or smiles, eagerly read.

TIA.

P13.

Rain has been around for a long time. She used to be on her own, got a little older and has a "Stable" now. She is legitimate and the girls are real. Actually her price is a little less than Shanghai night life. She is a little harsh on the phone, doesn't like "time wasters", so tell her what service you want and she will recommend a gilt for you. Have fun.

[QUOTE=Pushkin13;1872865]Coming to Shanghai (at least that is the current plan) next week.

Any one tried Rain in Shanghai, all one word, dot com?

Prices for outcall are between 1200 and 1500 RMB?

Any stories of tears or smiles, eagerly read.

TIA.

P13.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1870104]
Secondly you should try the Manhattan bar I forgot the street, just read the forum a bit back and you will find it it is near Molly Mallones and Judy's and each and every taxi knows about it you will find excellent vets who speak good English and eager to please you, it will be easier and better for you. There are many short time hotels or apartment nearby walking distance and the girls know about it or even better the girl can take you back to her place easily.

Alex[/QUOTE]Thanks Alex,

A couple more questions. I thought the places you listed don't have Chinese girls. I was really looking for a Chinese girl while in China.

Also what is the age range of the girls in those places. I looking for college girl age, like about 20.

I am not so interested in Late 20's or 30 year old ladies. I know asian girls frequently look younger. I just think if I am going to spend money than I want a hot young thin girl with firm small tits.

Please advise,

MM.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1870193]Hey MM, I enjoyed the story. I am not traveling to Shanghai anymore (or at least like I used to- I hope to get back once a year). So the detailed report was enjoyable and brought back some adventures.

North South, I understand your comments. However when you are on the outside looking in (as I am). It's a little more fun to read. Yes it was a blow by blow so to speak and I wouldn't want the forum full of these too many of these, . It was a perfect meal for what I needed.

Thanks guys, I am looking forward to getting back to Shanghai someday. Hopefully It's before the party is over.

SAM.[/QUOTE]Guys, sorry for the long FR, that is how I used to post them on the Nogales Mexico board, but that was a long time ago. I do the right up in my journal for my own personal memories and pleasure.

I posted it here to hopefully help some other guys, and I would have never had this much fun without this board.

I will conform to the preferred style of information that people want.

I understand from Alex7 J, NorthSouth and PrinceMV2, that the preference is for short report with pricing and location details.

SamCan is interested in longer reports.

This is a sample size of 4 I would like to get other mongers thoughts on what they want or don't want to read.

I will be going back to China in May, and will have report ready. I am happy to post the full version, abbreviated version or no version.

Please share your thinking.

MM.

[QUOTE=NobodySpecial;1872441]Thinking this was my last pass through China I decided to pull out all the stops.

Went to Bodi on a Friday afternoon and had 30 to 40 girls to choose from.

Chose a tall blond from Harbin who actually spoke a little English.

Routine as described. She talked constantly, calling me husband unless she had my dick in here mouth.

She actually encouraged fingering her pussy as it made it extremely wet.

I thought it a little expensive but it was my bucket list so enjoyed every minute of it.

She said her boss had 8 such establishments in Shanghai but that Bodi was the nicest.

Definitely an experience to remember.[/QUOTE]Guys,

I was able to find the Bodi Boutique hotel on the map, but not the spa.

Maybe it has been covered before, but if you are at the hotel, can you describe how to find the entrance to the spa?

Thanks,

MM.

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;1873054]Guys, sorry for the long FR, that is how I used to post them on the Nogales Mexico board, but that was a long time ago. I do the right up in my journal for my own personal memories and pleasure.

I posted it here to hopefully help some other guys, and I would have never had this much fun without this board.

I will conform to the preferred style of information that people want.

I understand from Alex7 J, NorthSouth and PrinceMV2, that the preference is for short report with pricing and location details.

SamCan is interested in longer reports.

This is a sample size of 4 I would like to get other mongers thoughts on what they want or don't want to read.

I will be going back to China in May, and will have report ready. I am happy to post the full version, abbreviated version or no version.

Please share your thinking.

MM.[/QUOTE]Personally I prefer full version.

Thanks for yr good report.

Started in Hong Kong with Ashley, on to Shenzhen with "mi amor', then to Ningbo (which has always been a dry town) finally found a cute little spinner, then on to SH, first night with Angela, then Anna below, then Mary and final with Monica. All in all a good mongering business trip. Anna is a great MILF with a great body and a very open attitude. Walk in and gave me DFK and then it started, no haggling, just a great time. My biggest problem is setting all this up in advance, I can't see all that are setup. Always have to save a few for the next trip.

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;1873056]Guys,

I was able to find the Bodi Boutique hotel on the map, but not the spa.

Maybe it has been covered before, but if you are at the hotel, can you describe how to find the entrance to the spa?

Thanks,

MM.[/QUOTE]When you get to the hotel at Longyang Road, the hotel entrance is to the right, and the sauna entrance is on the left end of the hotel, facing the driveway. There is no sign, but the doorway leads to the basement, where the sauna is. There is probably a lookout who will flag down taxi for you as you limp out afterwards.

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;1873053]Thanks Alex,

A couple more questions. I thought the places you listed don't have Chinese girls. I was really looking for a Chinese girl while in China.

Also what is the age range of the girls in those places. I looking for college girl age, like about 20.

I am not so interested in Late 20's or 30 year old ladies. I know asian girls frequently look younger. I just think if I am going to spend money than I want a hot young thin girl with firm small tits.

Please advise,

MM.[/QUOTE]MM,

For Chinese girls try bodi it has one of the most extensive range of Chinese girls, also try wechat it is very active in China, for nightclubs with uni-students try the nightclubs Mint or Muse or M2 then there is this place called xintiandi one of the most happening places in shanghai there in a building is a club called Hollywood.

But I think man Xintiandi you will find the hot 20 somethings Chinese girls. I think for your choice of girls Karaoke or KTV is the best option but for that you need a local Chinese contact because only a white skin in a KTV is disaster.

Cheers,

Alex

P.S: We love your reports and the bigger it is the better it will be. Trust me.

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;1873056]Guys,

I was able to find the Bodi Boutique hotel on the map, but not the spa.

Maybe it has been covered before, but if you are at the hotel, can you describe how to find the entrance to the spa?

Thanks,

MM.[/QUOTE]To add a bit more. The sauna is in the same building as the hotel. The hotel entrance is the big door with the doorman on the right side, the sauna is the door abot 20 meters to the left with a small stairway up. Go in and there will be a receptioin desk on the right. They will know what you're there for.
Please report back. I'll be there next week. Thanks.

I have not been there for a bit over 6 months, have they raised the price of entertainment?

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1873183]I have not been there for a bit over 6 months, have they raised the price of entertainment?[/QUOTE]Yes, see my previous post. 900 RMB for standard. 1200 for VIP, they offered me an additional girl for only 200 rob more, not worth it. I am not sure about the VIP either. It wasn't different girls, seemed like the same room I had before.

Thanks. If Bodi is holding the prices the same while a lot of the places with far less quality girls are raising theirs, it will be worth it to try my luck there again (the girls I had before were kind of restrictive in what they allowed: no fingering, no dining) I hope I can have what Nobody Special had experienced there.

Hi Marty,

Could you PM me Ningbo contact. I'll be there couple of weeks and would like to find girls there.

[QUOTE=Marty47;1873061]Started in Hong Kong with Ashley, on to Shenzhen with "mi amor', then to Ningbo (which has always been a dry town) finally found a cute little spinner, then on to SH, first night with Angela, then Anna below, then Mary and final with Monica. All in all a good mongering business trip. Anna is a great MILF with a great body and a very open attitude. Walk in and gave me DFK and then it started, no haggling, just a great time. My biggest problem is setting all this up in advance, I can't see all that are setup. Always have to save a few for the next trip.[/QUOTE][blue]===============================================

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[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1871629]It is a little confusing. I passed by earlier this evening a few foot massages places in S HngmI Road that were closed with seal tags from the Minhang LE on their doors. The tags were gone and there were girls in there and Johns going in. I do not do foot massage places so I went to my favorite sauna located in a hotel in Zhūhng. The front door was still padlocked. I went around the back where the secret entrance was. The look out was nowhere to be found. I texted my contact and the message was not returned.[/QUOTE]Things are definitely opening back up in gubei / min hang. Even Hong song (aka pine club) is opening back up. Most of my old haunts are open now, and I'm back in the states for a couple weeks.

I'm been exploring Shanghai's dancehall scene. The scene is not as big as Suzhou, but Shanghai currently has three decent size ones and several smaller ones. You pay 20 entrance and then 20 for each dance, which takes phase in the dark. Most girls will let you grope them anywhere in hope that you'll dance more rounds. Everyone inside is Chibese. If you're white or anything else you really stick out. Of course, no one speaks English.

If you're Asian and speK Mando, and are interested in joining me one night, then send me a PM. I don't want to go with a non-Asian because we'll stick out too much. I also don't want to post the addresses publicly. LE has bend shutting some of them down.

-Playboy.

Went to Sacrosa at 6:30 PM this evening and there were already 6 or 7 men there getting naked or showering before rushing off to pick the girls. I had to do the naked walk from the change room to the shower, then to the drying area to be issued the pajamas. If you are into guys, you will be in your elements to have all the naked guys around, and then have a youngish man drying you off.

Then straight to the parade ground, no refreshment offered. There were about 12 women in the line up. Looks wise, they did not compare well to the hotties at Bodi. But #268 stood out and she was in her 20s, decent looking, tall and has a good body with very smooth skin. She was from Heilongjiang. Service was great: attentive and unhurried GFE. So nice that I felt asleep afterwards with her cuddled close.

I wanted to tip her but with the naked walk, you could not bring money in with you. I asked the attendant, the first thing I did coming back to the common area, if I could go back to the room to give her the tip. He was surprised and thought that was an unusual request. He asked the manager if I could do that and the manager said no, that tips were not required. I protested that I wanted to show that I appreciated the good time I had but he again declined. I was not happy because I really wanted to give a little extra to her.

Now the girls may not be as good looking as the dames at Bodi, but the two times I went there, I had a great time. Plus the session at Bodi is 60 minutes, with at least 20 minutes spent on being washed down, oiled up and getting a body to body rub. And then another 10-15 minutes of catnips and licking on the be side. Then the shower at the end of the session. Time for real action may be only 15 to 20 minutes. Showering before and after at Sacrosa is out of the room in the common area, and not part of the 60-70 minutes session. Play time was a lot more. And the price was 2/3 of Bodi's. I think Sacrosa is one of the best bargain play houses.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1874055]Things are definitely opening back up in gubei / min hang. Even Hong song (aka pine club) is opening back up. Most of my old haunts are open now, and I'm back in the states for a couple weeks.[/QUOTE]I can confirm this, Minhang has reopened with a vengence. Several old saunas are back in business and also new ones popping up. In fact there's a surge in supply that caused business in other districts to slow down. Most places have specials where 2-3 of the lower end girls go for less than 600 rmb.

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;1875146]I'm been exploring Shanghai's dancehall scene. The scene is not as big as Suzhou, but Shanghai currently has three decent size ones and several smaller ones. You pay 20 entrance and then 20 for each dance, which takes phase in the dark. Most girls will let you grope them anywhere in hope that you'll dance more rounds. Everyone inside is Chibese. If you're white or anything else you really stick out. Of course, no one speaks English.

If you're Asian and speK Mando, and are interested in joining me one night, then send me a PM. I don't want to go with a non-Asian because we'll stick out too much. I also don't want to post the addresses publicly. LE has bend shutting some of them down.

-Playboy.[/QUOTE]Good work. Can you PM me addresses? I'll hit at least 1 and report back on this site.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1875175]Went to Sacrosa at 6:30 PM this evening and there were already 6 or 7 men there getting naked or showering before rushing off to pick the girls. I had to do the naked walk from the change room to the shower, then to the drying area to be issued the pajamas. If you are into guys, you will be in your elements to have all the naked guys around, and then have a youngish man drying you off.

Then straight to the parade ground, no refreshment offered. There were about 12 women in the line up. Looks wise, they did not compare well to the hotties at Bodi. But #268 stood out and she was in her 20s, decent looking, tall and has a good body with very smooth skin. She was from Heilongjiang. Service was great: attentive and unhurried GFE. So nice that I felt asleep afterwards with her cuddled close.

I wanted to tip her but with the naked walk, you could not bring money in with you. I asked the attendant, the first thing I did coming back to the common area, if I could go back to the room to give her the tip. He was surprised and thought that was an unusual request. He asked the manager if I could do that and the manager said no, that tips were not required. I protested that I wanted to show that I appreciated the good time I had but he again declined. I was not happy because I really wanted to give a little extra to her.

Now the girls may not be as good looking as the dames at Bodi, but the two times I went there, I had a great time. Plus the session at Bodi is 60 minutes, with at least 20 minutes spent on being washed down, oiled up and getting a body to body rub. And then another 10-15 minutes of catnips and licking on the be side. Then the shower at the end of the session. Time for real action may be only 15 to 20 minutes. Showering before and after at Sacrosa is out of the room in the common area, and not part of the 60-70 minutes session. Play time was a lot more. And the price was 2/3 of Bodi's. I think Sacrosa is one of the best bargain play houses.[/QUOTE]I usually slip a couple bills in my phone case for that purpose. Sacrosa used to permit carrying a phone to the room, but I haven't been there in a long time, so maybe not now.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1875363]Good work. Can you PM me addresses? I'll hit at least 1 and report back on this site.[/QUOTE]Check out my post #100057. If you guys think LE's read these posts here to get locations of establishments and shut them down, you're a little naive.

Just been to a new haunt in Shanghai recently. But only problem is must contact the manager directly if not they will not entertain outside customers.

It's called JinHao Sauna located at Hongxing Road No. 3065 near Caobao Road.

The Chinese address is:

金35946;20250;25152; 虹33688;36335;3065号38752;36817;28437;23453;36335;.

They have all sorts of selections all the way from:

Model A to Model F.

I think the range was from about 800 RMB to 2398 RMB. Something like that. Super nice environment, supposed to be new. Will post FR in later posts.

Here's her QR code in the attachment below.

1808 Beijing Rd West is being gutted and remodeled. The owners two other locations are locked and on hold. The space iwas well suited for a massage parlor. Six years ago there was a blatant FS joint two doors away. Tarts in skimpy dresses and cleavage bursting out. The sign read "luxury hair wash" It was closed pretty fast. So the action moves to other parts of town. Sounds like capitalism, but there was not lack of demand for the supply in Jingan.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1877285]1808 Beijing Rd West is being gutted and remodeled. The owners two other locations are locked and on hold. The space iwas well suited for a massage parlor. Six years ago there was a blatant FS joint two doors away. Tarts in skimpy dresses and cleavage bursting out. The sign read "luxury hair wash" It was closed pretty fast. So the action moves to other parts of town. Sounds like capitalism, but there was not lack of demand for the supply in Jingan.[/QUOTE]Have you heard what happened to the owner?

They just fade away. He is biting his nails wondering if the law will favor him and his kickbacks. Sinofaguo can weigh in on this issue. My spy is being held hostage and will not answer this question.

Thanks to those senior members who PM'd me with some suggestions! Unfortunately, I didn't get them in time, but I'll be back in October.

Quick report.

We arrived from the airport around 8 pm on a Tuesday night. We walked out back and overpaid for beers at Hooters because we were tired, stupid Americans. Upon returning to the hotel around midnight, a girl jumped into the elevator with us. Pretty good English and somewhat attractive. She wanted to come to our rooms. She was somewhat drunk and very clearly a scammer. What could possibly go wrong?

She came to my room first. She agreed to sequential events at 500 RMB each. She gave a pretty good massage but was obsessed with the notion that my colleague would blow her off. Finally, she called him to find that he had another girl in his room (he didn't let on to me that he prearranged a delivery prior to Hooters). Well, she became inconsolable. She finished the massage and upsold a BBBJ for 100 RMB. Then, it was time to go. How hard can that be?? Rhetorical question. REALLY HARD.

She started clamoring on about how she was promised the two of us and both of our payments. I gently tried to emphasize that matters of the heart were delicate and that hers was scorned by another. This ordeal went on for 30 minutes. When I got a bit more forceful, she threatened to tell the police that I f $%ed her and refused to pay. That's only the 4th time that's happened to me over 20+ years of hobbying on every habitable continent and countless islands, so I can't complain. In any case, I'd been up for 40 hours and knew I was going to sleep whether she was there gathering my personal effects or not. I finally coerced her to leave. I don't think I gave her any more money, but I remember being close to making that decision.

On day two, I did a lot of touring. I did observe a handful of shuttered massage places. In a society that prides itself on being above the influence of Western mores, traditions, and hangups, I wonder where all this enforcement is coming from?

Wednesday or Thursday evening (I really struggle with keeping track of days after crossing the dateline), we went bar hopping. We enjoyed the Captain Bar among other places. We ended up at Judy's. Similar lineup to the previous week and just as smoky. My colleague brought a very nice girl back for 500 RMB. The deal was for massage / BJ only-- no sex. According to him, she did a wonderful job with both, including a second event in the morning. He gave her an additional 100 RMB plus 100 RMB to reimburse her for paying off the crooked cab driver the night before. The guy did the typical thing where they cover the meter with a rag and pretend not to understand you when you say, "Meter?

By the way, I am waiting for my friend to share the escort website he used. I know they were advertising 480 RMB. When he called, they tried to increase it to 1500, but worked their way all the way back to 500 RMB. I will share when I get it.

I enjoyed the city during my 120 hours of rest and relaxation there. I now DESPISE scooters more than SNOW BOARDERS, and that is saying something! The crowds in the subway are tiresome. The food quality is a little uneven. But, aside from that, I found the people on the street pleasant and, while generally reserved, incredibly friendly when I had a reason to address them. I'm looking forward to coming back!

FT.

Hi all.

Not looking for full on FS, wondering if bro here can recommend MP in pudong area that does, specializes in rimming (I'm the recipient of course, LOL). I remember my 1st time at Buddha with #twenty5 who gave me the deep cleaning and it was in heaven. Pm me and we can exchange other info.

Thanks again for the intel in adv.

SL.

Hi friends,

I am looking for 2 3 times of outcalls because I don't have enough time to go to club or any other places.

Through the thread search, I found out SNG is the most suitable way for that purpose.

But it seems they don't have much girls to fuck and I am not sure it is safe or not.

Do you think SNG is safe enough?

BR,

Jyoh11

[QUOTE=Jyoh11;1878146]

But it seems they don't have much girls to fuck and I am not sure it is safe or not.

Jyoh11[/QUOTE]Dude, 33 girls total isn't enough for you? Damn, how many of them are you planning on calling up? Can I have whatever you're taking? Safety also depends on where you're staying at. As for the website, yes go for it.

[QUOTE=Jyoh11;1878146]Hi friends,

Do you think SNG is safe enough?

BR,

Jyoh11[/QUOTE]Prostitution is illegal in China. I think of all the options you have incall by an established provider like SNG is still one of your safest ones. Or you try to find a freebie here.

Lev.

I am in town for CES trade show just return from dinner at xitandi have a few drinks w coworker at paulaner place is pack many hot girls having a good time, I will check out bondi tomorrow not many sauna to pick from now days.

Fast Eddie 48.

I have not been in Shanghai for more than 2 years, looking at SNG it seems that Tang Dynasty and Red House are open. Anyone can confirm that?

Also, I could not find Red House address in Chinese -- I would appreciate anyone pointing out.

I will only have this weekend available, so if anyone has a company to go to KTV, I would really appreciate: I have been in China many times, but every time along -- not a good KTV opportunity.

__Y.

[QUOTE=YuriB;1878587]I have not been in Shanghai for more than 2 years, looking at SNG it seems that Tang Dynasty and Red House are open. Anyone can confirm that?

Also, I could not find Red House address in Chinese -- I would appreciate anyone pointing out.

I will only have this weekend available, so if anyone has a company to go to KTV, I would really appreciate: I have been in China many times, but every time along -- not a good KTV opportunity.

__Y.[/QUOTE]With SNG membership comes the addresses, got it and got it.

If anyone can recommend a good sauna with young providers, please reply or PM. Thanks.

__Y.

[QUOTE=Jyoh11;1878146]Hi friends,
.

Do you think SNG is safe enough?

BR,

Jyoh11[/QUOTE]I have used the SNG site 5-6 times and gone to Judy's dozens. . as long as you are in a girl friendly hotel (mine is Hilton) you will have no problem.

[QUOTE=FullThrottle;1877603]Thanks to those senior members who PM'd me with some suggestions! Unfortunately, I didn't get them in time, but I'll be back in October.

Quick report.

We arrived from the airport around 8 pm on a Tuesday night. We walked out back and overpaid for beers at Hooters because we were tired, stupid Americans. Upon returning to the hotel around midnight, a girl jumped into the elevator with us. Pretty good English and somewhat attractive. She wanted to come to our rooms. She was somewhat drunk and very clearly a scammer. What could possibly go wrong?

She came to my room first. She agreed to sequential events at 500 RMB each. She gave a pretty good massage but was obsessed with the notion that my colleague would blow her off. Finally, she called him to find that he had another girl in his room (he didn't let on to me that he prearranged a delivery prior to Hooters). Well, she became inconsolable. She finished the massage and upsold a BBBJ for 100 RMB. Then, it was time to go. How hard can that be? Rhetorical question. REALLY HARD.T[/QUOTE]Great review, as soon as you said your friend already had another girl coming to his room I knew a problem was coming. LOL. You have to understand the Chinese mind. Money is God. They take their money deadly serious. From what you said I imagine she got so angry you would have thought you kidnapped her mom. I been there before. LOL. So when I am in China I make sure thing are crystal clear how much I am tipping. If there is any sought in my mind. I will go over it with her 2 more times so I am clear she is clear. If she was in my hotel room and prostitution is illegal in China. I would have said F you call the police. I will them you want me to have sex with you for money. I refused to do anything illegal. If that does not work what you have to do I act crazy. When Chinese see a western act angry it freaks them out. If she still did not leave I would have walked over to the door and put the chain on the door and said now you can't leave. Just mess with her till she gets the hell out.

Happened across a strip of BBS in Fengzhuan.

From exit two off the metro and just around the corner.

Enticed in by the second one, tall girl about 20 years old. Spoke the bare minimum of 'massage' in English. Once inside she quickly started undressing me and gave the rod a kiss before wiping it down and putting on the cap.

She was fun. Rode me for about 20 minutes before I released. Got her wechat contact and left rather quickly.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1878715]Great review, as soon as you said your friend already had another girl coming to his room I knew a problem was coming. LOL. You have to understand the Chinese mind. Money is God. They take their money deadly serious. From what you said I imagine she got so angry you would have thought you kidnapped her mom. I been there before. LOL. So when I am in China I make sure thing are crystal clear how much I am tipping. If there is any sought in my mind. I will go over it with her 2 more times so I am clear she is clear. If she was in my hotel room and prostitution is illegal in China. I would have said F you call the police. I will them you want me to have sex with you for money. I refused to do anything illegal. If that does not work what you have to do I act crazy. When Chinese see a western act angry it freaks them out. If she still did not leave I would have walked over to the door and put the chain on the door and said now you can't leave. Just mess with her till she gets the hell out.[/QUOTE]I had some spelling errors in the above post and the forum will not let me fix it. I apologize. My point was in China it is safest to make sure the girl understands exactly how much she is getting. Sometimes they will play games.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1878741]Happened across a strip of BBS in Fengzhuan.

From exit two off the metro and just around the corner.

Enticed in by the second one, tall girl about 20 years old. Spoke the bare minimum of 'massage' in English. Once inside she quickly started undressing me and gave the rod a kiss before wiping it down and putting on the cap.

She was fun. Rode me for about 20 minutes before I released. Got her wechat contact and left rather quickly.[/QUOTE]What were the damages?

All,

I have been going to Shanghai for over 12 years. I have developed a friendship with Helen of Helen and friends and started using SNG. I can say both are pretty good. My last visit resulted in 2 different experiences.

I met with Bao Bao from SNG. She was dynamite. She could suck a tennis ball through a tail pipe. She was fun, she has a non Chinese body, tits and a nice ass. Plus she was naked before the door closed behind her. I would highly recommend.

Helen sent over a little 90 lb spinner named ting ting. I was just hoping for a massage and a little release. Well on the flip she whispered in my ear if I want to have sex, we managed to have an amazing session. For all nervous to use either service I highly recommend. Stay safe.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1878529]I am in town for CES trade show just return from dinner at xitandi have a few drinks w coworker at paulaner place is pack many hot girls having a good time, I will check out bondi tomorrow not many sauna to pick from now days.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]I prefer MPs but there are also loads of Saunas in Shanghai.

Try the chinese sites like [URL]http://hs.shanghai419.co/forum-9-1.html[/URL] (QQs / Phones to the managers with discounts upon reservation).

[QUOTE=SamCan;1878939]What were the damages?[/QUOTE]Knew I forgot something. 200 rmb.

Okay. Just want to ask. Does anyone have a particular problem with me on the forum? Have I pissed a bunch of you off? If anyone has an issue with me, please feel free to let me know.

I really don't recall doing much to step on anyone's toes. Yet Beijing4987 won't stop pm'ing me to butch if I so much as breath around here.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1878715]Great review, as soon as you said your friend already had another girl coming to his room I knew a problem was coming. LOL. You have to understand the Chinese mind. Money is God. They take their money deadly serious. From what you said I imagine she got so angry you would have thought you kidnapped her mom. I been there before. LOL. So when I am in China I make sure thing are crystal clear how much I am tipping. If there is any sought in my mind. I will go over it with her 2 more times so I am clear she is clear. If she was in my hotel room and prostitution is illegal in China. I would have said F you call the police. I will them you want me to have sex with you for money. I refused to do anything illegal. If that does not work what you have to do I act crazy. When Chinese see a western act angry it freaks them out. If she still did not leave I would have walked over to the door and put the chain on the door and said now you can't leave. Just mess with her till she gets the hell out.[/QUOTE]In my humble opinion I believe that both you and full throttle made so many mistakes and offer such bad advice that neither of you would be safe in China.

If no money has changed hands and no sexual acts have occurred, call hotel security and let them sort it out. If police are called you will likely end up in detention and heavily fined, or be forced to pay an even larger bribe.

Most hotels are likely to have many illicit acts occurring in them every evening, and don't want police attention which will deter Chinese mongers from using their facilities. Many posters seem to forget that Chinese are great mongers and outnumber westerners by a factor of probably 1000 to one. And then add the Hkers, Taiwanese, Singaporeans and Malaysians who travel to China specifically for cheonging, and the number of westerners pales into insignificance.

In summary, read the advice of experienced mongers on these forums and don't follow the advice of newbies and pretenders.

And "You have to understand the Chinese mind"! Are you some sort of guru on the mentality of all Chinese? Where did you gain this knowledge? Did you live in China for 10 to 15 years and can understand the contextual nuances of the Putonghua and the many dialects? Somehow, I don't think so!

Hang Seng. I so sorry about what I said via pm. Please accept my apology. If I had publicly done so I'd have much egg on my face.

Bj4987.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1879070]Okay. Just want to ask. Does anyone have a particular problem with me on the forum? Have I pissed a bunch of you off? If anyone has an issue with me, please feel free to let me know.

I really don't recall doing much to step on anyone's toes. Yet Beijing4987 won't stop pm'ing me to butch if I so much as breath around here.[/QUOTE]If you are providing valuable reports, you are ok, by me. You last was fine except damages so keep them coming.

I am back and forth between Beijing and Shanghai. I really appreciate Kitty's in Beijing. She does her best to find the girl that I ask for, although usually in the girl next door category. Also reliable, on time, no BS.

Is there a similar outcall service in Shanghai? I see SNG listings, but the prices are really high. I also like someone like Kitty to do the work for me.

Suggestions?

Rumor says Changning / Gubei was on red alert for 3 days this week.

I didn't hit this part of SH this week so I cannot confirm 100% but as a result I was told an alert is issued for nearby Minhang MPs which are already under a "lights off" policy for the past 5 months.

The girls have been briefed on paying close attention the next few days to plain cloth chinese "customers" asking if other services are available.

Stay safe!

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1879423]To Sam.

Too damn many wallanby posting old info like this guy and Tom SF never even been to shanghai have too
Much time in their hand posting all this nonsence hoping no one will know.

Fast eddie.[/QUOTE]My last trip to Shanghai was November last year. I stayed at the Marriot Pudong east. About 3-4 streets north I found 3-4 BBS. It was a slow night and there were 10 girls sitting there.

The girls told me 300 RMB or something like that. I said no. One of the girls yelled 100 rmb. The rest squealed. I wasn't interested.

My point is, It happens.

SAM.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1879716]To Sam.

You got quote 100 rmb but you didn't go for it why because you think might a scam so did it happen answer is no.

Fast eddie.[/QUOTE]No, I was window shopping. I don't do BBS's. Never have. Just not my thing.

Why was I there? It was my first time seeing one and my time visiting China (after 8 years of travel) was almost done.

I actually walked into a couple there and had the girl take me upstairs (out of curiosity). I looked around and then left obviously the girl gave me a puzzled look. I didn't go with the girl for 100. It was a couple other girls.

You're right it didn't happen but almost. So I guess you're saying. There can't possibly be any girl in any BBS anywhere in Shanghai that would ever take 200 RMB? I don't believe that either.

A couple years ago, I also had a less attractive older woman approach me as I left Judy's one night. She came right up to my face and say "F* me in the Ass or in the Pussy! 200 RMB! I didn't partake in that one either. I didn't think it was a scam either, , I just thought she was disgusting.

Just my POV.

Who is familiar with Changshu city? In Jiangsu.

Guys,

Anybody has idea about a place like Manhattan or Judy's but with high end Chinese freelancers in shanghai.

Would want to try Chinese women this time and not Viets or Fillis or Indos. Hahahah.

Cheers,

Alex

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1880081]Guys,

Anybody has idea about a place like Manhattan or Judy's but with high end Chinese freelancers in shanghai.

Would want to try Chinese women this time and not Viets or Fillis or Indos. Hahahah.

Cheers,

Alex[/QUOTE]I would spontaneously suggest Bar Rouge, maybe also Paulaner's in Xintiandi.

Lev.

[QUOTE=CockZMan;1879323]I am back and forth between Beijing and Shanghai. I really appreciate Kitty's in Beijing. She does her best to find the girl that I ask for, although usually in the girl next door category. Also reliable, on time, no BS.

Is there a similar outcall service in Shanghai? I see SNG listings, but the prices are really high. I also like someone like Kitty to do the work for me.

Suggestions?[/QUOTE]I think you won't find the price level of Kitty's in Shanghai, anymore, not from the catering services.

Besides SNG and Helen and friends, there is Rain ([URL]www.raininshanghai.com[/URL]). You better go to her wechat side, the selection is much bigger.

Have fun and play safe!

Lev.

Regarding the recent flare ups, I have no dog in the fight, but I think the 200 rmb is not grossly inaccurate, especially for the locals. What you get is the most unerotic pumping for 10 minutes or so. I do not know if the place I had this "I want to forget" experience I had when you first arrived in Shanghai was strictly a BBS, It was a a parlor in the Chángdé Road, Chángshòyou Road area. Several women were sitting begind the picture window. I was acting totally like a dumb mark ripe for ripping off. I went in asking for the price and just a closer lool at the women. I was granned by the 40's MIDNWTF snf basically was dragged into a room. I was told to lower my pants to the knee, and she removed her panties, but not her dress, after a 40 seconds BJ, and rode me for 5 minutes with fake moaning. It was maybe a 10 minutes session, and 9 and a half minutes too long. I was charged 300 rmbs. A knowledgeable local would not even pay 200 for that.

But then it brings me to what I did earlier this evening. I tried out this place I found in a Chinese web site. I wanted some low brow adventure. The place is near Xīnhuá Hospital. It advertised that there was a special of 320 rmb for a 60 minutes dry grind (down from the regular price of 360). I did not expect much, thinking it would br a hole, with women like Whoopi Goldberg and Rosie O'Donnell. I was surprised to find the place modest but clean enough. More importantly, I had have a decent looking (6. 5) young woman who gave me great service and real GFE. Mow the place is not close to a high end sauna, but it was great cheap thrill.

At this point I am not yet ready to recommend the place to anyone. I will try the place once or twice more to confirm the place is worth patronizing. If I did, I'll post again and will share the information in PM with contributing members.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1880519]
But then it brings me to what I did earlier this evening. I tried out this place I found in a Chinese web site. I wanted some low brow adventure. The place is near Xīnhu Hospital. It advertised that there was a special of 320 rmb for a 60 minutes dry grind (down from the regular price of 360). I did not expect much, thinking it would br a hole, with women like Whoopi Goldberg and Rosie O'Donnell. I was surprised to find the place modest but clean enough. More importantly, I had have a decent looking (6. 5) young woman who gave me great service and real GFE. Mow the place is not close to a high end sauna, but it was great cheap thrill.

[/QUOTE]I think you might have ended up in something the locals call GanMo (dry grind). For the sake of this discussion, let's call it MP+.

MP. Girls keep clothes on. She gives you a full body massage usually with oil. While giving you a massage, you can touch and fondle her while she teases and arouses you. On the flip, you negotiate with her for extra services. Typically from 100 for a HJ to 800 for FS and everything in between. This is on top of the house money that you pay by the hour. During the deed, her clothes will remain on, her panties and bra might come off, but everything goes back on the moment you're done. It remains on for the remainder of your session. Examples are Sping Massage, or the old hot spots like Buddha place, Ming, Shanxi Lu, Yuyuan Lu, Beijing Lu, that have been reviewed in this forum.

MP+ (GanMo). Think of this as sauna without the soapy and without FS. The girls get completely naked within minutes into the session. There is minimal massage here. She'll do cat bath, grinding with boobs, grinding with butt, grinding with pussy, rimming, and BBBJ as main event. Average price is around 300, most places have discounts down to mid or high 200's. Tips are not required. These places advertise in QQ mostly. Example would be Changshou Lu Lizhuang Spa.

Here's the breakdown. MP = 200 (house money) + whatever tip you negotiated; MP+ = 300. So unless you're really going for the shitty massage, well. Do the math.

My regular favorite Shanghai girl seems to have gone MIA, so with limited time I once again made the trek to Bodi. It was a Weds around 5 PM. Good selection as the last few visits. On the end there was a tallish girl who was so smiley that she was almost giggling. A very good sign.

So even though she wasn't the hottest girl there (but still sufficiently hot) I chose her. She was affectionate from the jump and we had no problem communicating. So after the obligatory slip and slide we made our way to the bed, and to my surprise, she gobbled up Steg Jr. Like a pro!

After 5 or so minutes of great BJ performance, she goes to catbath and more general playful activities. She then goes back to the BJ! It was just like my experiences here in the USA where the girl convinces that she is into it and having a good time.

With 20 minutes to go, she says, "will you please F me now? I was happy to oblige and just like the BJ, she was enthusiastic and engaged. Best service EVER from a Sauna girl.

Her name was Gu Li and she was number 592 or 594. An awesome girl who gets an A+ for service!

[QUOTE=Levitian;1880150]I would spontaneously suggest Bar Rouge, maybe also Paulaner's in Xintiandi.

Lev.[/QUOTE]Hey Lev,

I used to be a every night regular in bar rouge before landing in Judy's or manhatten at about 1-3 am and I never found Chinese flrs there, they only had a couple of Russian or CIS ladies or maybe the odd the Colombians I saw there once or twice.

But you have the lates ground info I can be 100% wrong also but it needs to be checked again and I will do the needful soon.

What about Paulaner's is it a club or bar or lounge kinda place do let us know and the best times to visit there and what kind of women to expect there the hardcore WG's or uni students.

You seem to have update info also let us know where we can find high class shanghai people going for a drink in evening you can always find some non-pro action there also.

Cheers and thanks man.

Keep the good work flowing: Sharing is caring.

Alex

[QUOTE=Stegram;1880644]My regular favorite Shanghai girl seems to have gone MIA, so with limited time I once again made the trek to Bodi. It was a Weds around 5 PM. Good selection as the last few visits. On the end there was a tallish girl who was so smiley that she was almost giggling. A very good sign.

So even though she wasn't the hottest girl there (but still sufficiently hot) I chose her. She was affectionate from the jump and we had no problem communicating. So after the obligatory slip and slide we made our way to the bed, and to my surprise, she gobbled up Steg Jr. Like a pro!

After 5 or so minutes of great BJ performance, she goes to catbath and more general playful activities. She then goes back to the BJ! It was just like my experiences here in the USA where the girl convinces that she is into it and having a good time.

With 20 minutes to go, she says, "will you please F me now? I was happy to oblige and just like the BJ, she was enthusiastic and engaged. Best service EVER from a Sauna girl.

Her name was Gu Li and she was number 592 or 594. An awesome girl who gets an A+ for service![/QUOTE]What are the latest prices in bodi my dear friend?

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1880691]Hey Lev,

You seem to have update info also let us know where we can find high class shanghai people going for a drink in evening you can always find some non-pro action there also.

Cheers and thanks man.

Keep the good work flowing: Sharing is caring.

Alex[/QUOTE]No, probably not. I am not going out that frequently any longer. I thought Bar Rouge would be a good place, it certainly was in the past. Paulaner's is a German restaurant, which turns into a dance place after 10 pm, with live music and a lot of Chinese sing song girls. Another place is probably Zapata's, on Hengshan Road / Dongping Road.

Anyway, good luck! If not, try SNG, rain in shanghai or Helen and friends, the caterers. I think you can find the weblinks here.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Levitian;1880790]No, probably not. I am not going out that frequently any longer. I thought Bar Rouge would be a good place, it certainly was in the past. Paulaner's is a German restaurant, which turns into a dance place after 10 pm, with live music and a lot of Chinese sing song girls. Another place is probably Zapata's, on Hengshan Road / Dongping Road.

Anyway, good luck! If not, try SNG, rain in shanghai or Helen and friends, the caterers. I think you can find the weblinks here.

Lev.[/QUOTE]Lev mate,

I am not the home delivery person or incall or escort kinda guy doesn't get me hard and horny. I like go drink relax enjoy pick and choose but surely this time I will try sing or rain or Helen if the women are hot and ready for an overnighter may be the lady in tow can take me to a good Chinese nightclub where we can find hot women have done this a lot in BKK and SG and HKK and doing now in Dubai.

Cheers,

Alex

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1879555]No. Maybe you're the one who hasn't been there because that's exactly what happened when I went, and I'm the farthest thing from chinese possible.

I don't get what is your problem. You people ***** about everything and claim it's made up. I provided an accurate account of my experience, if you don't like it, then well that's on you. And like I said, I got her wechat info, so it worked out dandy for me.

I barely post on here as it is. So don't add me to whatever forum drama you guys have to constantly bicker about. Also there is another bbs straight down the street across from a tool shop and next to a fruit stand. Also 200 rmb. I didn't write about that one because I really wouldn't recommend going to it.

Another thing, I was already avoiding posting here since I was getting attacked via pm FOR NO REAL FUCKING REASON. The one time I do decide to contribute, I have attacking me for what exactly? You old condescending twat. I don't go around saying I'm some kind of expert or know every part of this city I've barely been in. Get over yourself.[/QUOTE]Handseng,

Please keep posting your experiences. And don't listen to anyone who is just crazy.

It wouldn't be worth posting if the 320 rmb got what you laid out for MP+. The place calls itself a spa. But during the special, I got 50 minutes (10 minutes for shower before and after) of good GFE good time, including FS, BBBJ, fingering, dining and sungling with a decent looking younger girl witha nice body. I was amazed at the great value. The special price is good till end of May. I plan at least 2 more trips. If my second experience is as good as my first, I'll provide the details of the place and contact information to contributing friendlies in PM.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1880844]Lev mate,

I am not the home delivery person or incall or escort kinda guy doesn't get me hard and horny. I like go drink relax enjoy pick and choose but surely this time I will try sing or rain or Helen if the women are hot and ready for an overnighter may be the lady in tow can take me to a good Chinese nightclub where we can find hot women have done this a lot in BKK and SG and HKK and doing now in Dubai.

Cheers,

Alex[/QUOTE]Do that and let us know where it was leading you to. If not, try the other nightclubs, M11, the Apartment, etc.

Good luck and fun!

Lev.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1880692]What are the latest prices in bodi my dear friend?[/QUOTE]It's not getting cheaper. 980 for the session.

I don't think it was only an hour as some have suggested. I'm pretty sure it was at least 75 minutes.

Anyone know if Lidu Spa in Wugong Hotel (Fuzhou Rd) is still active or any good? I'm staying there for a while and went to this site ([URL]http://shanghai.*****************/massage-yellow-pages/massage-places/wugong-hotel-sauna-club-lidu-spa-1287.html[/URL]) to check out the reviews, but the last review was from 2013. Decided to WeChat the manager on there to see if still worked, and he added me shortly after, surprisingly. Told me rates were 800-1200 rmb /80 min FS depending on the girl I choose.

Anyone care to share any experiences, or will I get screwed over instead of getting screwed?

Thanks

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1880926]It wouldn't be worth posting if the 320 rmb got what you laid out for MP+. The place calls itself a spa. But during the special, I got 50 minutes (10 minutes for shower before and after) of good GFE good time, including FS, BBBJ, fingering, dining and sungling with a decent looking younger girl witha nice body. I was amazed at the great value. The special price is good till end of May. I plan at least 2 more trips. If my second experience is as good as my first, I'll provide the details of the place and contact information to contributing friendlies in PM.[/QUOTE]Could you please let me know the detail address.

I wish to go there this coming week end.

Thanks

Did you guys hear about that guy who got beat up by LE after leaving a massage parlor in BJ? Apparently it was a sting, and because the guy didn't confess he got beat so badly that he eventually died. Can something like that happen in Shanghai? I know anything is possible, but looking for any useful suggestions to make sure that doesn't happen to me. Thanks, fellas.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;1881338]Did you guys hear about that guy who got beat up by LE after leaving a massage parlor in BJ? Apparently it was a sting, and because the guy didn't confess he got beat so badly that he eventually died. Can something like that happen in Shanghai? I know anything is possible, but looking for any useful suggestions to make sure that doesn't happen to me. Thanks, fellas.[/QUOTE]MW, you are more likely to die or be injured crossing the street or on the sidewalks of Shanghai. The traffic police are hassling the electric scooter drivers and pedestrians, but not the car drivers turning from the right and left at intersections with no intentions of stopping to yield your right of way. They only stop for a steel or concrete barrier. I was told by an experienced member Not go a sauna or MP in the afternoon, say 3:00 pm. The LE are after the bosses to make a point, not the patrons. LE is less likely to raid if the place Is full. Too much manpower is needed.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1881378]MW, you are more likely to die or be injured crossing the street or on the sidewalks of Shanghai. The traffic police are hassling the electric scooter drivers and pedestrians, but not the car drivers turning from the right and left at intersections with no intentions of stopping to yield your right of way. They only stop for a steel or concrete barrier. I was told by an experienced member Not go a sauna or MP in the afternoon, say 3:00 pm. The LE are after the bosses to make a point, not the patrons. LE is less likely to raid if the place Is full. Too much manpower is needed.[/QUOTE]Most raids happend between 6 pm and 10:30 pm as this is when there are more customers. Afternoon is rather ok. Safest is 11 am to 2 pm.

That being said shit can still happend since I know of 2 MPs (1 in Jing'an and 1 in Gubei) which both got shut down for some time after an early afternoon visit.

In both cases it wasn't even a raid but a customer at the exit whom was asked what kind of service he received and him thinking it was best to confess (big mistake).

[URL]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-05/12/content_25228397.htm[/URL]#158963.

Apparently it happened on 5/7. The john who died was arrested on the street after he had visited the foot massage place. Supposedly, he resisted arrest. Details are sketchy, as expected, about the incident, but it is worth re-reading Shanghai Guide's earlier post as to how to act if you are napped. First rule, you are in a hole, don't dig deeper.

Hey folks,

Back in shanghai, one of my favorite cities and a place I have been to many times over the years. Seems like I'm getting conflicting thoughts on the current situation in Shanghai. A lot of my favorite places have closed down (Jiang Li, Pine Club, Kang Ding) which to me suggests that it's really windy and risky nowadays. But I read reports that some of these may be re-opening soon. Do you guys know if any of the old awesome places like Jiang Li, Pine Club in Minhang and Kang Ding will make a comeback soon? Or are they gone forever?

Miss those places so so much.

[QUOTE=BlahMan333;1881731]Hey folks,

Back in shanghai, one of my favorite cities and a place I have been to many times over the years. Seems like I'm getting conflicting thoughts on the current situation in Shanghai. A lot of my favorite places have closed down (Jiang Li, Pine Club, Kang Ding) which to me suggests that it's really windy and risky nowadays. But I read reports that some of these may be re-opening soon. Do you guys know if any of the old awesome places like Jiang Li, Pine Club in Minhang and Kang Ding will make a comeback soon? Or are they gone forever?

Miss those places so so much.[/QUOTE]Jiang Li is scheduled to reopen very soon, we expect to get a confirmation very soon for that.

Pine Club there is no "plan" to reopen and no forecast if there is a chance or not for them.

Kang Ding is still "on hold" like all the saunas in Jing An District and there is a 50/50 chance that they can reopen soon.

Enjoy your time in Shanghai.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1882124]Jiang Li is scheduled to reopen very soon, we expect to get a confirmation very soon for that.

Pine Club there is no "plan" to reopen and no forecast if there is a chance or not for them.

Kang Ding is still "on hold" like all the saunas in Jing An District and there is a 50/50 chance that they can reopen soon.

Enjoy your time in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]Assuming pine club is the place next to the hongqiao Hilton, it is now open. My contact is updating daily on wechat. Some other hi end places in minhang are also reopened, 45 mansion and the place just down the street in the local hotel.

I've been debating with myself whether or not to post this, but decided I should based on some of the recent discussions. Before I start, I want to clarify my position: I believe every Shanghai mongerer benefits from the service Steven and his site provides!

However, some issues have come to my attention recently, and it may be that I was just naive, but I thought it worthy of mentioning. First, all the pictures are not in fact real. You have to read through the comments to verify this if you want to. What I've learned is that if an individual page does not say "verified" pictures, they are probably not actually her. Now, from reading comments, it seems that sng does verify that they are reflective of the person (hight, shape, etc) - but not the person. I would also add that there is question as to how often they are verified. For sure I think it's unrealistic to expect monthly checks, but in one case I experienced, she looked so different from her pictures that I almost had to hold the picture next to her to see it was in fact the same girl (no need to go into additional details as she has been removed).

The other detail recently identified is that no negative reviews are permitted at all. I kinda realized this sometime time ago, but it became clearer recently. Negative comments must go through the complaint form.

Steven, as discussed, I am absolutely not trying to start a war. I truly believe Shanghai is a better place for us hobbiests with your involvement. And I may simply be the one that has been very naive. So, please don't take offense to this post, nor any of the likely stupid comments from some of the Trolls that wander this forum.

Taz.

Steven does a good job. I personally understand why no negative reviews are allowed by Steven. Too many douses who don't understand the customs or how things work will get upset and write a bad review about being treated poorly. But in reality it was their fault, not the provider. So I get it. Not sure what a good solution would be, as sometimes negative reviews could be useful, but I don't know how to avoid the problem I described (ignorant people).

Wow, Pine Club is open again? Is it back to its former glory? I remember it used to be one of the most amazing places, but just super far away. Wondering what you guys think are the best options nowadays.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1882169]Assuming pine club is the place next to the hongqiao Hilton, it is now open. My contact is updating daily on wechat. Some other hi end places in minhang are also reopened, 45 mansion and the place just down the street in the local hotel.[/QUOTE]

I also agree the sng is an awesome site (I'm a member). However, I agree with your criticisms of Steven's otherwise stellar contribution to Shanghai mongering. Many years ago, when Amazon briefly considered deleting negative reviews if product manufacturers paid a fee, there was an outcry. I don't take reviews seriously if only the positive ones are published.

I can only talk about what I experienced with SNG. Had two bookings with them couple of weeks ago. First was a 2 HR outcall with one of the independent WGs from the site. This was in detail as described on the page, from the ease of booking via WeChat to the accuracy of the girls pictures and the behavior noted in the comments from fellow Mongolians.

Secondly I booked a day time tour that was just great, as above, great contact in the booking phase, perfect company through out the tour. In my mind Steven holds up to his promises and reputation.

[QUOTE=BlahMan333;1882298]Steven does a good job. I personally understand why no negative reviews are allowed by Steven. Too many douses who don't understand the customs or how things work will get upset and write a bad review about being treated poorly. But in reality it was their fault, not the provider. So I get it. Not sure what a good solution would be, as sometimes negative reviews could be useful, but I don't know how to avoid the problem I described (ignorant people).

Wow, Pine Club is open again? Is it back to its former glory? I remember it used to be one of the most amazing places, but just super far away. Wondering what you guys think are the best options nowadays.[/QUOTE]I haven't been there since it reopened, but I believe the prices have gone up - 1300 should be the minimum. As all the places I know well enough to recommend are in that area (I live less than a block from the pine club), don't think my recommendations will be very helpful to you.

I guess that's the name it should go by. It's the new place down the street from 45 mansion (same owner). Finally got there tonight.

Good:

Brand new. Just opened in November and with the shutdown, it's probably only been open for 2 months.

120 girls, 60 rooms.

Nice lounge area.

Bad:

Expensive! Prices start at 1200.

Busy. Ok, I went on a Friday night, but fuck, I had to wait to pay!

Poor maintenance. Even though it's brand new, the hose for the shower had plastic wrapped around it to keep it from spraying and the bed sheets were stained.

Will I go there again, probably not. At least not as long as my contact is also booking 45 mansion. He clearly told me no waiting there at all (but only 40 girls).

Taz.

My second trip to Spa El Cheapo was very disappointing. Only 4 girls there. The girl I picked was uninterested and just gone through the motion. So, cheap but no thrill.

[QUOTE=BlahMan333;1882298]Steven does a good job. I personally understand why no negative reviews are allowed by Steven. Too many douses who don't understand the customs or how things work will get upset and write a bad review about being treated poorly. But in reality it was their fault, not the provider. So I get it. Not sure what a good solution would be, as sometimes negative reviews could be useful, but I don't know how to avoid the problem I described (ignorant people).

Wow, Pine Club is open again? Is it back to its former glory? I remember it used to be one of the most amazing places, but just super far away. Wondering what you guys think are the best options nowadays.[/QUOTE]I believe consumers are smart enough to assess both positive and negative reviews. Negative reviews are an important incentive for girls to take it up a notch. Since they know Steven cuts most negative reviews, girls realize they can get away with mediocre service. As I said, I immensely admire Steven and am happy to pay him my sng fee, but he makes a poor choice by manipulating the reviews.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1882577]I believe consumers are smart enough to assess both positive and negative reviews. Negative reviews are an important incentive for girls to take it up a notch. Since they know Steven cuts most negative reviews, girls realize they can get away with mediocre service. As I said, I immensely admire Steven and am happy to pay him my sng fee, but he makes a poor choice by manipulating the reviews.[/QUOTE]If you read his site, you will see that one bad review cuts girls business by 80%. In a business where YMMV, it is a little unfair if some guy doesn't get the ride of a lifetime even though he is fat, has BO and bad breath. My point is one bad review may not be relevant. I also must say there are bad reviews. They aren't horrible but I recall a review about a girl that thought she was shorted and got hotel to bring her back up to get her extra 100 rmb. (it was a mistake between the girl and the person booking. The guy just gave what he was supposed to.). This was a bad review. There was also other reviews that talked about a girl not being a great lay. The mediocre reviews are there you just have to read them. I do know they are not horrible but there are bad ones.

SAM.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1880844]Lev mate,

I am not the home delivery person or incall or escort kinda guy doesn't get me hard and horny. I like go drink relax enjoy pick and choose but surely this time I will try sing or rain or Helen if the women are hot and ready for an overnighter may be the lady in tow can take me to a good Chinese nightclub where we can find hot women have done this a lot in BKK and SG and HKK and doing now in Dubai.

Cheers,

Alex[/QUOTE]HI Alex!

I think you will really like Manhattan. Wall to wall FLs. Mostly from Vietnam. There are some real stunners here too.

Some of the girls are really direct and will immediately ask to go back to the room.

Others, however, will wait to get a rapport going before popping the question. And the meantime you can dance, flirt and even make out with them.

Prices are pretty steep / But I know you are not the kind of guy to sweat the money if you can have an amazing time.

Judy's is another option and is close by. However, I think prettier girls can be found at Manhattan.

Both clubs are walking distance from each other (in the Jiag'an Temple area) so you can check out both easily in one evening out.

PS: Sorry to be redundant. I just saw the post where you mention Manhattan and Judy's.

Ther are plenty of upscale nigh clubs in the Bund. Maybe try your luck there? Also I ws able to set up a couple of dates with regular girls on Wechat. But it was pretty slow going with those girls so I just went to Manhattans instead.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1882692]HI Alex!

I think you will really like Manhattan. Wall to wall FLs. Mostly from Vietnam. There are some real stunners here too.

Some of the girls are really direct and will immediately ask to go back to the room.

Others, however, will wait to get a rapport going before popping the question. And the meantime you can dance, flirt and even make out with them.

Prices are pretty steep / But I know you are not the kind of guy to sweat the money if you can have an amazing time.

Judy's is another option and is close by. However, I think prettier girls can be found at Manhattan.

Both clubs are walking distance from each other (in the Jiag'an Temple area) so you can check out both easily in one evening out.

PS: Sorry to be redundant. I just saw the post where you mention Manhattan and Judy's.

Ther are plenty of upscale nigh clubs in the Bund. Maybe try your luck there? Also I ws able to set up a couple of dates with regular girls on Wechat. But it was pretty slow going with those girls so I just went to Manhattans instead.[/QUOTE]Uncle V,

It seems there is some karma between us, we keep on banging into each other in diff forums. I've tried Manhatten when I used to live in Sng 6 year ago they used to call me Jesus then I was the same then I am the same now must have fucked each and every Viet from there Judy was a slow place then but the BBQ outside Judy's was better then Manhatten and the lb's were a chilled out lot to talk to, I've had a lot of fun in shanghai used to live in bodi it was newly built in the family suite and travel every night around 12 to the bund to bar Rouge or some other farang bar I forgot the name, then someone told me Hollywood in Xintiandi tried that for a couple of nights fucked 2 or 3 Chinese babes but no fun in sex then this club I forgot mint or m2 near some park on both the sides of park were these clubs but again no success then got hooked to Manhatten as I am now hooked to Moscow in Dubai where ever I used to go in shanghai on any night at 3 am I had to land in Manhatten every night as I am a WG myself, used to sit and chat with then Viets, there were a few Thais there also, occasional Mongolians and once in a week Russians used to come but that was rare, have eaten in the outside BBQ a lot with Viets in the cold months of November to February with sometimes raining non-stop and me drinking and eating used to be a corona drinker then and the bar boy's used to bring my drink outside near the cart fucking crazy I was.

Women used to come to my home for food and I still used to pay them 700-1000 and to eat the breakfast at Bodi and enjoy the facilities in my room, I have till date never gone in Bodi's bar or enjoyed the breakfast but Viet women in my room always had that crazy me. Manhatten was my base in shanghai of my 1 year stint in shanghai, I have made out in the mens washroom, in the alley which leads to the bathroom, danced on the bar and I used to sit on the bar and drink many times I was young and crazy then I am old and less crazy now.

But we have to meet to try the crazy times again.

Cheers to you mate,

Alex

[QUOTE=SamCan;1882618]If you read his site, you will see that one bad review cuts girls business by 80%. In a business where YMMV, it is a little unfair if some guy doesn't get the ride of a lifetime even though he is fat, has BO and bad breath. My point is one bad review may not be relevant. I also must say there are bad reviews. They aren't horrible but I recall a review about a girl that thought she was shorted and got hotel to bring her back up to get her extra 100 rmb. (it was a mistake between the girl and the person booking. The guy just gave what he was supposed to.). This was a bad review. There was also other reviews that talked about a girl not being a great lay. The mediocre reviews are there you just have to read them. I do know they are not horrible but there are bad ones.

SAM.[/QUOTE]I don't believe one bad review will cut a girl's business by 80 percent. I can speak from my own experience. I submitted a somewhat mixed review that sng refused to publish. I felt I was quite fair but included information that a future client should be aware of. After that experience, I continued to subscribe to Sng but have no longer used its escorts (I still rely on Sng for sauna info).

Sng can follow up any negative review by qualifying the remarks, or noting they have spoken to the girl. But cutting out negative reviews without expressly indicating that strikes me as less than forthcoming. And I say that as a Sng fan and subscriber.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1882720]Uncle V,

It seems there is some karma between us, we keep on banging into each other in diff forums. I've tried Manhatten when I used to live in Sng 6 year ago they used to call me Jesus then I was the same then I am the same now must have fucked each and every Viet from there Judy was a slow place then but the BBQ outside Judy's was better then Manhatten and the lb's were a chilled out lot to talk to, I've had a lot of fun in shanghai used to live in bodi it was newly built in the family suite and travel every night around 12 to the bund to bar Rouge or some other farang bar I forgot the name, then someone told me Hollywood in Xintiandi tried that for a couple of nights fucked 2 or 3 Chinese babes but no fun in sex then this club I forgot mint or m2 near some park on both the sides of park were these clubs but again no success then got hooked to Manhatten as I am now hooked to Moscow in Dubai where ever I used to go in shanghai on any night at 3 am I had to land in Manhatten every night as I am a WG myself, used to sit and chat with then Viets, there were a few Thais there also, occasional Mongolians and once in a week Russians used to come but that was rare, have eaten in the outside BBQ a lot with Viets in the cold months of November to February with sometimes raining non-stop and me drinking and eating used to be a corona drinker then and the bar boy's used to bring my drink outside near the cart fucking crazy I was.

Women used to come to my home for food and I still used to pay them 700-1000 and to eat the breakfast at Bodi and enjoy the facilities in my room, I have till date never gone in Bodi's bar or enjoyed the breakfast but Viet women in my room always had that crazy me. Manhatten was my base in shanghai of my 1 year stint in shanghai, I have made out in the mens washroom, in the alley which leads to the bathroom, danced on the bar and I used to sit on the bar and drink many times I was young and crazy then I am old and less crazy now.

But we have to meet to try the crazy times again.

Cheers to you mate,

Alex[/QUOTE]Alex my brother from another mother!

I was also a constant at Manhattan about 2 years ago when I was working in SH for a month. Great place. I love VN girls for their hot bodies and GFE. I met a VN girl there I am still in touch with and visit ever so often. We celebrated New Year's together in Saigon this year.

We definitely should met sometime soon. My next trip to Asia is Hong Kong end of next month. Then Thailand in August.

I am not sure I could keep up with you. Or survive, for that matter. 555.

But we'd have some great fun.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1882864]I don't believe one bad review will cut a girl's business by 80 percent. I can speak from my own experience. I submitted a somewhat mixed review that sng refused to publish. I felt I was quite fair but included information that a future client should be aware of. After that experience, I continued to subscribe to Sng but have no longer used its escorts (I still rely on Sng for sauna info).

Sng can follow up any negative review by qualifying the remarks, or noting they have spoken to the girl. But cutting out negative reviews without expressly indicating that strikes me as less than forthcoming. And I say that as a Sng fan and subscriber.[/QUOTE]That is OK guy. You can believe what you want. I am really not an apologist for SNG. I just saw this at work.

Actually in the example I am talking about, the girl was giving 5 deals as a newbie. After this happened on deal 2, she couldn't even get her last 3 deals with anyone at a discount. For this example it was a 100% shut down of business. As Steven leaves the number of deals showing, it stayed without her getting a deal for quite a while. I finally emailed him and asked. He said it shut her down completely.

I agree that if things are not as advertised, we have a right to complain. I have written a number of feedbacks on the complaint form (both good and bad). I have always gotten a thank you email and told me what feedback was given to the girl. Steven runs a flag system. If he get's 3 similar complaints the girl is taken off the page for a while. (or permanently) to me that is fair as anyone can complain or not click when it comes to the hobby.

As I said, each to his own. For China, this is probably as good as it gets when it comes to accuracy in advertising.

SAM.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1881378]MW, you are more likely to die or be injured crossing the street or on the sidewalks of Shanghai. The traffic police are hassling the electric scooter drivers and pedestrians, but not the car drivers turning from the right and left at intersections with no intentions of stopping to yield your right of way. They only stop for a steel or concrete barrier. I was told by an experienced member Not go a sauna or MP in the afternoon, say 3:00 pm. The LE are after the bosses to make a point, not the patrons. LE is less likely to raid if the place Is full. Too much manpower is needed.[/QUOTE]That is wishful thinking believing the police actually wait till a place hardly has any customers to bust it. Also, letting the customers go is ridiculous. Their are plenty of videos and newspaper articles about places in China getting busted and everyone getting arrested. I guess ignorance is bliss.

The timing probably depends on the motive of LE.

If there is a political agenda from higher-ups, which usually is in the form of some arrest quota.

Then LE will target a place when there are lots of customers.

If the primary motive of the bust is personal / financial.

Say to extort money from the club owner by demonstrating there is a new sheriff in town.

Then it makes more sense to keep the raid as low profile as possible, preferably out of the news.

So they would raid at a quiet time.

Quick sauna report from three different trips. This is the sauna that is located in Wugong Hotel on the 9th or 10th floor. I can't remember the name of the spa itself, unfortunately.

Location: Near the Bund, about a 10-15 minute walk from the Westin Bund Center. From the Westin main entrance, go right. At the second traffic light, turn left. Walk several blocks and the Wugong Hotel will be on your left on a corner. In the window is a sign for a sauna. The hotel has revolving doors in front and a reception desk off to the right. Enter the lobby, walk past reception to the back of the room and the elevators are off to your right. The floor with the spa is clearly marked in the elevator.

Visit #1:

This was my first Chinese sauna experience. Entered about 8 pm on a weeknight and was greeted by two female receptionist sorts who verified that I indeed wanted a "special massage" and then pointed me toward the changing room. Changed, showered, was shown to a room to sit and relax. After sitting for a few moments, a manager-type gentleman appeared and greeted me in perfect English to explain pricing. Three tiers: 700,800, 900. He then brought in a lineup of about 12 - 15 girls. Chose one who was a couple of years older than most but good body and seemed playful. She was in the 700 tier.

She showed me down a labyrinth of hallways and stairs to a room where she showered me and herself. Some playfulness in the shower then on to the bed. Rimming, BBBJ (in multiple positions), DATY, then on went the hat and we had a fun time in many positions. She was enthusiastic, fun, and energetic. Only drawback was that her teeth were pretty gnarly, which I didn't notice until too late. Oh well. Afterwards, a bit of relaxing and then back to the shower and out the door.

Visit #2:

After a good first experience, went back later that week. This time chose a 900 tier who was younger and had a fantastic body. This time the room was much nicer--flowers on the bed, bigger space, nicer shower. I thought perhaps this was what came with the 900 price, but that theory is disproven in Visit #3.

She was shy at first in the shower and I was concerned that this would be a dull visit. That quickly changed when things got a bit playful and I managed to get a couple of giggles from her. Onto a great BBBJ and rimming. She wanted to jump on top, but I flipped her over for DATY. She was hesitant and so I spent some time warming her up and then she agreed. And WOW was she into it. Good times where had. Then the cover goes on and all positions are explored, including me standing and holding her, which I find is usually a no go.

After I finish rather quickly, we lay down and start to make what little chat we can. She has a smattering of English words and I have the same for Chinese. She's really into it and we have fun figuring out translations of things and just bantering. Then she asks me if we can go for round 2. Of course! In the middle of that, the phone rang and I think she told them we were finishing because she kept going as if it never rang. I finished and then on to the shower.

One of the best experiences I've had in any country. I regret not getting her WeChat.

Visit #3:

A few months later, back in Shanghai. Wanted to find the girl from visit #2, and after two good visits, figured this sauna was worth a third stop. I couldn't have been more wrong. Previous girls weren't there, as I sort of expected. Picked another girl with good looks, but her attitude was terrible. No DATY. No fingering. Only missionary or her on top. BBBJ was okay, but before and after putting it in her mouth, she would gargle with some sort of rinse-- Every time. Made it so there was no flow to the session. Also, the room was weird and there was grainy porn playing on repeat on the TV with the sound on. Somehow I managed to finish and then she turned out to be also kind of a brick. Usually you can have a bit of small chat even if you don't speak the language if you have a few limited words of Chinese, which I do. This girl just DIDN'T get it and body language / miming was lost on her. Ultimately I just went back to the shower. And this was a 900 girl.

Whew.

Summary: I like this sauna, but YMMV with the girl. All three visits I have been greeted by the English-speaking manager, so I may ask him about this next time and tell him exactly what I want.

[QUOTE=Carage;1883107]The timing probably depends on the motive of LE.

If there is a political agenda from higher-ups, which usually is in the form of some arrest quota.

Then LE will target a place when there are lots of customers.

If the primary motive of the bust is personal / financial.

Say to extort money from the club owner by demonstrating there is a new sheriff in town.

Then it makes more sense to keep the raid as low profile as possible, preferably out of the news.

So they would raid at a quiet time.[/QUOTE]I agree Sir.

[QUOTE=Carage;1883107]The timing probably depends on the motive of LE.
If there is a political agenda from higher-ups, which usually is in the form of some arrest quota.
Then LE will target a place when there are lots of customers.
If the primary motive of the bust is personal / financial.
Say to extort money from the club owner by demonstrating there is a new sheriff in town.
Then it makes more sense to keep the raid as low profile as possible, preferably out of the news.
So they would raid at a quiet time.[/QUOTE]There are many reasons for the raids and the timing, techniques and tools used. This is much too complicated to detail in a single post. But I agree with the points that you and BJ4987 documented.

A couple of additional points worth noting:

The reasons for the plethora of raids in many cities since Xi Jinping assumed power were to help destroy the cash flow and imprison the Xing Zemin political faction 'tigers' (Xi's 3 Vices Campaign. Drugs, prostitution and gambling).

Many 'windy weather' periods or specific raids are broadcast beforehand and few managers, WGs and mamasans are arrested. These may occur where a police chief wants to show his power for any one of a number of reasons (new appointee, increased corruption fees, etc).

Sometimes there are fully pre-planned operations where a big show of force is used, accompanied by CCTV teams and the PSB's own media guys. These may occur when investigative media have been publicising particular red-light area and residents have been complaining. This is also when a few customers [B]may[/B] get arrested, but generally they get off lightly if they play the game.

BTW, I forget whether it was 2009 or 2010 when CPC ordered that there will be no public shaming of customers of KTVs, saunas, etc.

Ikksman

Tomsf wrote:

That is wishful thinking believing the police actually wait till a place hardly has any customers to bust it. Also, letting the customers go is ridiculous. Their are plenty of videos and newspaper articles about places in China getting busted and everyone getting arrested. I guess ignorance is bliss.

My response to Tomsf:

"One experienced member said the target of raids is management" Carrage seconded this opinion, however a raid involving many customers will not be a quiet affair. Ikksman pointed out that the timing of raids and therefore the number of patrons present will vary. I did not say that any of the patrons in the sweep wold be released. Several massage shops in Jingan are gone or only open infrequently recently. My longtime provider will only do oil massage and happy ending after 11pm and at that time with fear. After 1am no fear. LE is sleeping,she says.If Tomsf has LE contacts or experience being busted please enlighten the rest of us. The news media everywhere is biased and a tool of the powers that be. I have criticized Tomsf in private. Others have not been so as kind.

I too have read about this in Suzhou, I am visiting shanghai and Guangzhou, how do I search for these places?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;1875146]I'm been exploring Shanghai's dancehall scene. The scene is not as big as Suzhou, but Shanghai currently has three decent size ones and several smaller ones. You pay 20 entrance and then 20 for each dance, which takes phase in the dark. Most girls will let you grope them anywhere in hope that you'll dance more rounds. Everyone inside is Chibese. If you're white or anything else you really stick out. Of course, no one speaks English.

If you're Asian and speK Mando, and are interested in joining me one night, then send me a PM. I don't want to go with a non-Asian because we'll stick out too much. I also don't want to post the addresses publicly. LE has bend shutting some of them down.

-Playboy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FictionalSpace;1883109]Quick sauna report from three different trips. This is the sauna that is located in Wugong Hotel on the 9th or 10th floor. I can't remember the name of the spa itself, unfortunately.

Location: Near the Bund, about a 10-15 minute walk from the Westin Bund Center. From the Westin main entrance, go right. At the second traffic light, turn left. Walk several blocks and the Wugong Hotel will be on your left on a corner. In the window is a sign for a sauna. The hotel has revolving doors in front and a reception desk off to the right. Enter the lobby, walk past reception to the back of the room and the elevators are off to your right. The floor with the spa is clearly marked in the elevator.

[/QUOTE]


Great report brother! Thank you. I am in town Friday night and will check it out for sure.

[QUOTE=ChuckleOne;1883845]Great report brother! Thank you. I am in town Friday night and will check it out for sure.[/QUOTE]Great report.

I'll be traveling to shanghai for the first time. I've be always been to Malaysia and Thailand. But now this will be my first time in shanghai. Anyone recommend Guangdong shanghai hotel, any nice place for mongering there? And what you think will be on menu side? Anything nearby or any suggestion. Is it safe at night?

Thanks for the advice.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1882212]I've been debating with myself whether or not to post this, but decided I should based on some of the recent discussions. Before I start, I want to clarify my position: I believe every Shanghai mongerer benefits from the service Steven and his site provides!

However, some issues have come to my attention recently, and it may be that I was just naive, but I thought it worthy of mentioning. First, all the pictures are not in fact real. You have to read through the comments to verify this if you want to. What I've learned is that if an individual page does not say "verified" pictures, they are probably not actually her. Now, from reading comments, it seems that sng does verify that they are reflective of the person (hight, shape, etc) - but not the person. I would also add that there is question as to how often they are verified. For sure I think it's unrealistic to expect monthly checks, but in one case I experienced, she looked so different from her pictures that I almost had to hold the picture next to her to see it was in fact the same girl (no need to go into additional details as she has been removed).

The other detail recently identified is that no negative reviews are permitted at all. I kinda realized this sometime time ago, but it became clearer recently. Negative comments must go through the complaint form..[/QUOTE]First thing first, I respect all that were said and I do appreciate having SNG at my finger tips.

I too had some less than ideal experience with SNG escort. I used over 8 different SNG escorts (to be precise, all the non-Chinese plus a handful of the higher end Chinese ones). IMO, only 2 of them were value for money, being LanLan and Mimi the Viet). The rest, don't do this, don't do that, over the top fake GFE, poor hygiene, selective memory on time etc.

As we all know, SNG is one of its kind in SH, if I may say, it's a monopoly. I don't see Steven doing anything wrong by removing the negative comments or review. Just put yourself in his shoes if you were running SNG for money (be it second or third income).

I too was a bit naive at first, but having been around for a while now, I am less so (I hope). Guys, take it with a pinch of salt just like everything else in life. Do you believe 100% what the TV commercials tell you?

I respect Steven's decision but don't support it. But if you really want to air your complaint, why not posting it here? I am sure it does more good than bad for us Gengis Khans.

Let's talk about the girls potential income cut, again, I am sure SNG is not the only place that sells sex in SH. They will live (but accidentally buying a handbag with a smaller LV label might ki. The idea of forum is to offer a balance view of the experience. So I see nothing wrong posting your factual experience here.

But hey, it doesn't really matter for SNG, as a guess, there would be a lot of newbie, 1-timer using SNG's service (plus the regular Khans). So, a negative review is not going to kill SNG or causing a headline bankruptcy. The last time I checked, this forum was supposed to be "For Punters"? Happy shagging folks.

I stumbled across this joint on Dianping actually. I was looking for a legit massage place and landed one with the extras. There's a picture of the manager's QR code on Dianping, the hookup was dead easy! (mind you I don't read Chinese).

So, long story short, was presented with a bunch of pictures through wechat. The decision was easy. I normally like to pre-book and skip the whole fish bowl thing. But after seeing the pictures, I told the manager, " I am getting an Uber now, see you in 10."

So there I was doing all the boring bits that you would have imagined, I took the fishbowl route and boy oh boy, I was delighted to see all the ladies were professionally lined up, standing in the position in an orderly manner.

Let me be clear. Not all the ladies were drop dead gorgeous model material, but what I appreciate most was the mix and the value for money. They don't seem to randomly rank their girls' price level. I picked a 1600 girl and that was the best experience I had for this price.

The following visits, I tried various priced girls, 900,1200, 2100 and 3000. I must say I was satisfied each time and happy with the price I pay. And I like my manager, because he is probably the only sauna manager actually listen to my needs and recommend the girls that fit my requirement, without fail. (I am a very picky Khan).

As I became a regular visitor, they often reserve the most discrete room for me. Overall, management shows organized and keep the place clean. Do ask for more towels if you want.

PM me for details. No one-timer or newbies please (not negotiable, we are not in Bangkok).

FYI I noticed the MP on Beijing Road / Chengdu Bei Road xroad (north side of First Block compound) was being seriously redecorated today (walls getting destroyed and such).

The place was active just a few days ago. I guess Jing'an's scene is still seriously getting revamped by the new leadership.
Accross the other side from Chengdu Bei Road they would be in Huangpu district... not even any mercy for places at the border :)

Last night I was looking for an out-call girl to my hotel. I'm really tired of those fake or over-photoshoped pics from wechat, so I ask my friend for help. Through his trusted connection, I managed to choose my honey over dozens of girls standing right in front of me.

And different from the sauna pros, my honey is a juicy juicy univ students. As usual, 2 shots at night, 1 shot in the morning.

Hi,

New member. Have been in Shanghai for 3 months and have been exploring around Jing'an quite a bit. Family life limits me to daytime exploration which is limiting but also fun as many locals tend to be quieter during the day.

I've been to three MPs in the neighborhood.

First was a run down hole in the wall place full of older ladies around Shaanxi and Changping. But amidst them was a young beauty with gorgeous eyes. I had been ready to walk out but decided to point at her and check if she was available. She was. Price was 100 RMB! She led me to a dark windowless closet sized room with out a door lock. Had me strip down into some of those disposable shorts. Massage was crap. For an extra 200 she allowed DATY, riding my face RCG and let me kiss her tits a little bit and massage her very cute ass. Her pussy was very nicely trimmed and much smoother than I've seen. She had a scar on her belly from a C section I suspect. Otherwise very hot. Have not been back, her attitude was a bit on the cold, mechanical side, but price and goods were perfect. Place was bit too sketchy for my taste thou.

A few days later I hit the Spring Massage Parlor on Jiangning. Got lucky with a stunning girl. Great ass, great tits, small, big nipples, I like that. Rate was 268 to the house. She asked for 300 more for more fun. My mistake was expecting the same level of service and access I had at the first place. Was disappointed. Once we settled on the price Girl claimed to be on her period so no below the belt access. Got a good massage, a good Finnish and a good time with her tits. I'd like to go back as we had good rapport, I find her very hot and she promised me full access next visit. I just think 300 is too much and now the precedence has been set. Possible to negotiate downwards. Maybe? Thoughts?

Last week I went to a new place just off Changping road heading north, second floor, don't remember the cross street a couple blocks north of Changping stn. Found an intersection that had probably a dozen different MPs. Checked out most but none of the girls / ladies were appealing. This one place I eventually settled in had a mamasan running it with lots of hot girls. They were wearing dresses, then changed into uniforms. Hot girl, some English. For 100 she let me play with her tits and an extra 100 got her panties off. But not access to her labias. Very hairy and was not willing. I didn't press it, second 100 was not worth paying. OK massage, overpriced at 290 RMB. 60 min. Not good value, but I'm curious about the other girls there. Might go back. Facilities were clean.

Anyways, I'm new in town. Would love some advice. Seems like scene is rapidly changing.

I'd love a regular place to hit up. Curious about the MP+ level of service, not sure how to find a place like that. Would like a regular girl that would enjoy DATY followed with a nice massage. If anyone knows a place a guy can get that kind of fun without breaking the bank or risking too much let me know. If anyone else is interested in daytime exploration, I'd be keen to do so. Have not been to any Saunas yet and I'm curious.

Also wondering abut the scene in Hangzhou as I may have to move there.

SIG2 Noise

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1882212]I've been debating with myself whether or not to post this, but decided I should based on some of the recent discussions.
Before I start, I want to clarify my position: I believe every Shanghai mongerer benefits from the service Steven and his site provides!

[/QUOTE]Guys,

Everyone finds value in SNG.

My thought is Steven runs it the way he runs it. If you don't like it, then you can run your own site anyway you want.

I think he takes feedback and makes changes. He spends an enormous amount of time providing a highly valuable service to those of us who can't speak and read Chinese.

He is not doing it for charity. And anyway he wants to do it is fine by me.

There are a number of things on his site that would like him to differently. I have made some of these suggestions directly to him. But in general unless I was his business partner or thought I could a better job, the best thing I can think to say is Thank you for the information you provide. It is useful and valuable to me.

MM.

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;1884131]
My thought is Steven runs it the way he runs it. If you don't like it, then you can run your own site anyway you want.

He is not doing it for charity. And anyway he wants to do it is fine by me.[/QUOTE]

Err I have to side with Taz on this one.

As you said "Steven" is not doing his site for free / out of pure kindness for the community as we all do when we share info for free here.

He decided to earn money from it and is publishing content on a freemium / premium basis and pimping girls offering them visibility and a hotline system.
As such it seems totally reasonable for his customers to review / report their experience with his service.
Thats what this forum is for. People review girls, they review other services / stores, why should Shanghai Guide be exempted from these reviews?

Taz's intervention is not purely negative, he voiced his experience in a rather fair way.
If the neutrality of the review system on SNG is indeed being played with by Steeven, censoring / hiding several fair negative reviews by customers, I feel Taz is totally right to voice his experience with the site and warn potentiel users to take it into account.

Its not the first time there have been questions about SNG website. He started his site by mostly copying info which had been published for free by other mongers here, on sammy singapore board, and other places several of us take part in. Several of the advertised girls when he started were also contacts which had been published for free on these boards. So it did raise some tensions when these infos started entering a freemium / premium business for him and same goes when some girls rates became inflated as he put them on his site.

That being said I believe his website offers a great complementary service to the boards as info gets scrolled down / hidden over hundreds of pages and a blog gives a better overall view of the info. Moreover he improved the content over time with info from the chinese boards too and from his own scouting. As such its a great tool for people who don't speak chinese and only spend a few days / hours in Shanghai and don't want to waste time. And even for more permanent people in Shanghai it can be complementary to our scooting / recovering info faster / finding a couple new places without hassle.

So yes his business can both be praised for the good it brings just like it can be criticized for less positive things. Just like any business we review here on a daily basis, with different point of view / experiences from different mongers.

I would like to clarify two points:

1) I was not complaining, criticizing nor passing judgment. I was merely informing. Which is a fundamental purpose of this board.

2) I believe sng and ISG to be complimentary resources, not competitive.

It seems as though there is a fine line and clearly history I am not aware of. I will therefore make this my final comment on the subject: all website owners clearly have the right to run their sites how they see fit. It is up to informed customers to decide what resources to use.

Taz.

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;1884131]Guys,

Everyone finds value in SNG.

My thought is Steven runs it the way he runs it. If you don't like it, then you can run your own site anyway you want.

I think he takes feedback and makes changes. He spends an enormous amount of time providing a highly valuable service to those of us who can't speak and read Chinese.

He is not doing it for charity. And anyway he wants to do it is fine by me.

There are a number of things on his site that would like him to differently. I have made some of these suggestions directly to him. But in general unless I was his business partner or thought I could a better job, the best thing I can think to say is Thank you for the information you provide. It is useful and valuable to me.

MM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;1884131]Guys,

Everyone finds value in SNG.[/QUOTE]No they don't. I have been coming to SH for 20 years. No value at all in this site. And am more than willing to admit I have previously complained to ISG that this commercial site is totally inappropriate on a site which was designed for free information flow. IMHO if he wants to post he should be confined to Classifieds Thread.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1883622]Tomsf wrote:

That is wishful thinking believing the police actually wait till a place hardly has any customers to bust it. Also, letting the customers go is ridiculous. Their are plenty of videos and newspaper articles about places in China getting busted and everyone getting arrested. I guess ignorance is bliss.

My response to Tomsf:

"One experienced member said the target of raids is management" Carrage seconded this opinion, however a raid involving many customers will not be a quiet affair. Ikksman pointed out that the timing of raids and therefore the number of patrons present will vary. I did not say that any of the patrons in the sweep wold be released. Several massage shops in Jingan are gone or only open infrequently recently. My longtime provider will only do oil massage and happy ending after 11pm and at that time with fear. After 1am no fear. LE is sleeping,she says.If Tomsf has LE contacts or experience being busted please enlighten the rest of us. The news media everywhere is biased and a tool of the powers that be. I have criticized Tomsf in private. Others have not been so as kind.[/QUOTE]The only expert on the in an outs of raids would be the police in that particular area. The member you are quoting, by his only admission said he does not monger much any more. Which is really means not at all. I would not put a lot of faith in his info. Yes, he lives on this forum and and this forum is like his full time job. So he lives through us. He has a couple allies on this forum to attack people and has already been kicked off the site before. But begs to come back on. He commented on my post under another name recently. That is the only reason I mention it. But, anyway, Bejing4987, China is a fast moving place. Busts happen when they happen. We can all judge the times when we think it would be safest. If a monger gets caught in a raid. It would be very bad for the monger and I am sure worse for management.

The purpose of this forum is to share information that is good, bad and nuanced about mongering in Shanghai. If a poster shares that SNG doctors its reviews and knowingly posts photos of a girl who is different from that advertised, that is useful information.

It does not mean SNG does not provide an excellent and somewhat unique service.

No reason to cast the issue in extreme black / white terms.

I would not completely say its having no value. I found some reasonable contacts there, but what I also do not share is that critical reviews shall be supressed: If they go through an internal reality check. Similar to good hotel search sites like "holiday check"- ok. But not let any critical remarks be posted is not acceptable. I had last month a girl with poor hygiene and only brilliant comments. Another one I fancied to meet but she had some very negative reviews in another website * next to good reviews too. So I can make my own rating if I want to run the risk to see her, which I did not in her case.

That website * more often reports reviews from SNG girls now under "country China" and there you can get a more realistic rating.

But my best experiences for Shanghai and Beijing as of yet I found here in this Forum from recommendations via PM. For example from you BBB for Beijing. Thank you again publicly BBB!

If anybody is interested may be I can give back via PM some of my favorites, although I'd rather kept them for myself.

But I accept: It's a business (still a touchy one that's why the review issue is tricky and personal recommendations also are"YMMV".).

Gregory.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;1884579]No they don't. I have been coming to SH for 20 years. No value at all in this site. And am more than willing to admit I have previously complained to ISG that this commercial site is totally inappropriate on a site which was designed for free information flow. IMHO if he wants to post he should be confined to Classifieds Thread.[/QUOTE]

Hi all,

How about we get back to discussion of the sweet ladies and locations?

I only get to come to Shanghai a couple times a year and like to keep informed about the "weather" by reading the field reports on ISG. It has been troubling to hear about the recent closures in Jing An, Gubei and Minhang. That's my normal area. I am not a sauna guy, prefer places like the Buddha place and Shaanxi Lu (both closed I read).

I look forward to reading some updates to prepare me for my next visit in July. I will be sure to file some reports if I find some gems.

Thanks all.

Doit.

[QUOTE=Doitunderwater;1885358]Hi all,

How about we get back to discussion of the sweet ladies and locations?

I only get to come to Shanghai a couple times a year and like to keep informed about the "weather" by reading the field reports on ISG. It has been troubling to hear about the recent closures in Jing An, Gubei and Minhang. That's my normal area. I am not a sauna guy, prefer places like the Buddha place and Shaanxi Lu (both closed I read).

I look forward to reading some updates to prepare me for my next visit in July. I will be sure to file some reports if I find some gems.

Thanks all.

Doit.[/QUOTE]Doit,

Jing'an is clamped down, but Gubei and Minhang are opening back up. Yes, Buddha, Ming and Shaanxi Lu are closed but go north for about 2 km and you'll find Lizhuang Spa. Check out my post #10228. Corner of Changshou Lu and Jiangning Lu. Shop is on the north side of Changshou Lu so it's in the Putuo district.

In Gubei, walk along Huangjinchengdao or Ronghuadongdao (south of Carrefour) towards Gubei Lu. You'll find no less than 8 MP's bunched up together in a courtyard. They cater to the Japanese clientele.

PM for more info.
AZ.

Shaanxi Rd #250, next to the police station, is still open. It has gone way downhill since #3 and #18 left. Never was too clean and the protectors at the door not so friendly. If she is still there #5 has beautiful breasts and a decent handjob.

Former Beijing monger here. For newbies to Shanghai, SNG is useful. When I first started coming here, I didn't know what to do. And I can't speak Mandarin. Some fellow ISG bros gave me some MP suggestions (via PM), and I'm very grateful to them, but when it got windy, I got nervous. So, I contacted girls on SNG's site. They are willing to book short-time hotels (about 80 kuai) near you. The nice thing about this is that you're unlikely to get ripped off, since they are monitored by Steven and reviewed by mongers, and they have to register themselves to get a room so it's pretty safe. Also, it is away from the eyes of LE. Eventually, I'll learn the lay of the land, but until then, I may continue paying the high price on SNG's site in exchange for the reliable service and convenience.

I was in Shanghai May 23 and went to my favorite sauna--the old "999" near Shanghai Stadium--multiple name changes. It was flat out closed--no sign of life. I scrambled to recall how to get to Sarcosa in Pu Dong and was successful-always remember the Burger King for orientation. So I went there for 2 nights--its been 8 years since last trip. The girls are nice enough--no more semblance of a massage routine--just basic suck / fuck service. Night pricing was 700 for one girls (2 shots--60 min) or 1100 for 2 girls. I enjoyed both sessions.

I tried to improvise to find other soapy saunas but found it very hard to research once inside China. The Happy Massage site --most reviews seem 2 years old. The SNG helpful but was not set up / registered to get final location info. Better luck next time. Hope the clamp downs ease up.

I stayed at The Courtyard by Marriott on Hengfend for 2 nights. The second night I was walking in front of my hotel when a lady asked me if wanted company because she had girls. I asked her for pictures with their stomachs uncovered and she replies"she come now, 5 minutes. " I had difficulty talking with her so I walked on. BTW I had no intention of picking up a girl for sex. I was just taking a walk to get something to eat. I saw two women walking on the sidewalk near the front of a hotel only 2 more minutes down the sidewalk. The one looks back and I can tell they are hookers. I say "Hi" and chat a little on the sidewalk and she has good English. She wants 200 usd. We agree on 1000 cny. I told her I needed BBBJ. I could tell by the way she answered she would do BB sex. BTW I have never had sex with a Chinese hooker. The timing was perfect as it was only 8 pm on my final night.

Back in the room all is well (at least in the beginning). She takes her clothes off and looks nice. We take a shower together. She gives me an average BBBJ but I was satisfied. I put her in missionary and started rubbing her clit BB. I told her I want 15 minutes of sex, would cum, then take a shower, and then we could go for a second round. 2 hours max I told her. BB sex was good and at 15 minutes I cum and all is well. I take a shower and afterward she gives me a nice 15 minute full body massage. It wasn't profession but enough to relax me. She gives me a 5 minute BBBJ and I am back hard again. Less than a minute before I was ready for a second round she receives a text. She had a mix playing on her phone and it went to half volume. She says one moment and looks at her phone. I told her to come back or I would lose my hard on. She keeps typing and I told her I was serious. She comes closer to the bed and I tell her to stop typing. She keeps typing. I tell her how rude it is to stop having sex to have a conversation on her phone. She just keeps typing. I told her if she doesn't stop in the next 10 second I am giving her 500 and kicking her out. She continues and I scream at her to get out. All this time I am injecting small hints to stop texting followed by firm statements. 30 seconds later she stops and says sorry. I told her to put her clothes on and get out. I told her she had a choice to make (and she made it) and the mood had changed and we were done. She put her clothes on. I put 500 on the bed and she asked for 100 more which I gave her. I am writing this 10 minutes afterward and I am not sure how I feel. It being spontaneous was nice but I would rather have paid her 400 for more sex and a happier ending. I have had a ton of these encounters with Spanish women but never have the subtle hints escalated to this. It is not a surprise this happened in China as the entire culture are slaves to their cellphones as opposed to choosing to use them.

[QUOTE=WhyTheFace;1886582]I stayed at The Courtyard by Marriott on Hengfend for 2 nights. The second night I was walking in front of my hotel when a lady asked me if wanted company because she had girls. I asked her for pictures with their stomachs uncovered and she replies"she come now, 5 minutes. " I had difficulty talking with her so I walked on. BTW I had no intention of picking up a girl for sex. I was just taking a walk to get something to eat. I saw two women walking on the sidewalk near the front of a hotel only 2 more minutes down the sidewalk. The one looks back and I can tell they are hookers. I say "Hi" and chat a little on the sidewalk and she has good English. She wants 200 usd. We agree on 1000 cny. I told her I needed BBBJ. I could tell by the way she answered she would do BB sex. BTW I have never had sex with a Chinese hooker. The timing was perfect as it was only 8 pm on my final night.

Back in the room all is well (at least in the beginning). She takes her clothes off and looks nice. We take a shower together. She gives me an average BBBJ but I was satisfied. I put her in missionary and started rubbing her clit BB. I told her I want 15 minutes of sex, would cum, then take a shower, and then we could go for a second round..[/QUOTE]Jesus, man. I think you should relax a little. This was a SW. Service may vary. You don't know what was happening on the other end of that phone. This posts reads like you have anger issues, and are mentally unbalanced.

[QUOTE=WhyTheFace;1886582]I stayed at The Courtyard by Marriott on Hengfend for 2 nights. The second night I was walking in front of my hotel when a lady asked me if wanted company because she had girls. I asked her for pictures with their stomachs uncovered and she replies"she come now, 5 minutes. " I had difficulty talking with her so I walked on. BTW I had no intention of picking up a girl for sex. I was just taking a walk to get something to eat. I saw two women walking on the sidewalk near the front of a hotel only 2 more minutes down the sidewalk. The one looks back and I can tell they are hookers. I say "Hi" and chat a little on the sidewalk and she has good English. She wants 200 usd. We agree on 1000 cny. I told her I needed BBBJ. I could tell by the way she answered she would do BB sex. BTW I have never had sex with a Chinese hooker. The timing was perfect as it was only 8 pm on my final night..[/QUOTE]In my humble opinion (feel free to disagree), you are being pretty unreasonable here. She agreed to give you FS and even gave you massage and BB and all these special favors at your negotiated lower price. She did her part already. But you insist that she needs to cater to your every whim and even not allow her to communicate on her phone. Sure, we all want good GFE and for someone to go above and beyond, but in reality we should be happy for a decent effort. Many WGs will be dishonest and will do bait and switch or all kinds of dishonest tactics. In this case I feel like you should have paid her the amount you agreed upon instead of having her not be allowed to text or chat at all like some kinda controlling guy. No one knows if she had someone talk to her about something important or whatever. Seems like she tried to make you happy overall and a lot of people receive much worse effort.

Just my opinion.

Hi seniors,

I am in China for 4 days, staying in a hotel near new Pudong district. Can someone help me with an indie girls no.

I can reciprocate in India.

Please PM me.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=WillBlak;1887542]Hi seniors,

I am in China for 4 days, staying in a hotel near new Pudong district. Can someone help me with an indie girls no.

I can reciprocate in India.

Please PM me.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Dude,

just go to Manhatten club on Tongren Lu and you will find what you are looking for: Go around 10-11 Pm and you will come back happy with a lady in tow.

Cheers.

Agree with Blahman333 and Thingstick assessments of WhyTheFace's behavior. He had acted like an inconsiderate pushy boor, with shortcoming more than an inability to sustain an erection. He negotiated a price ( a lousy 1000 rmb) to have someone come to his hotel for 2 hours, with BB sex (exposing her, and him, to risk of some horrible STD). That was not such a princely sum, and certainly did not give anyone the right to act as if he owned someone like a Lord of the Realm.

It sounded like the woman had catered to all he had demanded until the unexpected text came. It appeared the message was important, that she had to answer. There was no reason for his overreaction. The woman actually apologized afterwards, and he threw her out and shortchanged her. Does he only pay 60% of his dinner bill in a restaurant if he felt the waitress was slow to come to his table when called?

His much generalized swipe about Chinese and cell phones smacked of racism. How much time had he spent in China and how often had he traveled the world? Where they are available, the engrossment in smartphones is true for pretty much everyone under the age of 50 around the world.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1887629]Agree with Blahman333 and Thingstick assessments of WhyTheFace's behavior. He had acted like an inconsiderate pushy boor, with shortcoming more than an inability to sustain an erection. He negotiated a price ( a lousy 1000 rmb) to have someone come to his hotel for 2 hours, with BB sex (exposing her, and him, to risk of some horrible STD). That was not such a princely sum, and certainly did not give anyone the right to act as if he owned someone like a Lord of the Realm.

It sounded like the woman had catered to all he had demanded until the unexpected text came. It appeared the message was important, that she had to answer. There was no reason for his overreaction. The woman actually apologized afterwards, and he threw her out and shortchanged her. Does he only pay 60% of his dinner bill in a restaurant if he felt the waitress was slow to come to his table when called?

His much generalized swipe about Chinese and cell phones smacked of racism. How much time had he spent in China and how often had he traveled the world? Where they are available, the engrossment in smartphones is true for pretty much everyone under the age of 50 around the world.[/QUOTE]I have had similar experiences but I really only do LT and have done ST maybe twice. My normal practice is KTV's and taking a girl back to the hotel from there. I know in the best (and usually more expensive) KTV's they will take the phones from the girls to be returned at the end of the KTV evening. Yes these girls do like their phones, but it seems to be a worldwide thing. It is possible and has happened more than once that the girls in the KTV's will spend morfe time texting on their phones than doing what they are being paid to do--keep the customer happy.

Now I will admit that a couple of times during the actual act, the girl actually answered her phone and went on to text back and forth with whoever. If that won't kill a erection you are a much better man (as in younger!) than I. And yes, I have told them to get out but always paid the full price, as I do tend to go to the same KTV's and don't want to get a bad reputation.

Worst experience-was when I wass involved in DATY and the girl got an apple from the fruit bowl and started munching away. Yes, I threw her out, as this was the end of a really bad evening from her, there was more but no need to go into it.

Now, maybe I am a little smarter, I tell the girl to put away the phone away. Turn IT off! Haven't you had the 5 am call come into her phone and she suddenly has to leave because her, friend, brother, mother, uncle, is sick, in the hospital, car accident, etc. I have even gone as far as putting it into the room safe.

Soooo, he was not all wrong but maybe could have been a bit more understanding. Just my POV!

[QUOTE=Marwar58;1886538]I was in Shanghai May 23 and went to my favorite sauna--the old "999" near Shanghai Stadium--multiple name changes. It was flat out closed--no sign of life. I scrambled to recall how to get to Sarcosa in Pu Dong and was successful-always remember the Burger King for orientation. So I went there for 2 nights--its been 8 years since last trip. The girls are nice enough--no more semblance of a massage routine--just basic suck / fuck service. Night pricing was 700 for one girls (2 shots--60 min) or 1100 for 2 girls. I enjoyed both sessions.

I tried to improvise to find other soapy saunas but found it very hard to research once inside China. The Happy Massage site --most reviews seem 2 years old. The SNG helpful but was not set up / registered to get final location info. Better luck next time. Hope the clamp downs ease up.[/QUOTE]To Marwar 58.

I was in Shanghai a few week ago I did find a few low end sauna across from the Stadium did have some cute lady 30 yr old one is very cute only CBJ is offer for 300 rmb, there are a few BBs in the area but all the girl are dog, I think SNG abd happy massage is a waste of time many info is outdated mongering in China change so fast sauna can open this week and closed down the following week.

Fast Eddie 48.

So I feel like SNG is just "meh". They don't really cater to customer service as I have had similar issues to those already mentioned. BTW. To those who posted be $ me about SNG. Thank you! I had bad experiences with 2 girls and never heard a thing from little Steve.

That OK because I have learned my way around the land of a thousand SCAMS. This part of the world is a wart on the worlds ass. I hate SCAMHAI! And YES I stand behind what you called racist comments. Viva TRUMP and I hope you all the best of luck!

SNG. Uhhhhh - NO THANKS! Shanghai. FUCK NO!

China SUCKS. USA Rules.

H1.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1887736]To Marwar 58.

I was in Shanghai a few week ago I did find a few low end sauna across from the Stadium did have some cute lady 30 yr old one is very cute only CBJ is offer for 300 rmb, there are a few BBs in the area but all the girl are dog, I think SNG abd happy massage is a waste of time many info is outdated mongering in China change so fast sauna can open this week and closed down the following week.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]

Shanghai is full of scams, especially in outcall girls. So far, my best experience is to find my trusted mummy from a high end KTV, then went to the KTV to choose my girl. I would give the money to the mummy, not the girl. The girl would only get her pay in the morning if I have no complain to the mummy. I think it guarantees the service quality.

Now that the giant sucking sound (hint: the troll that will never return) has left this city and all the high wage jobs return to USA, we will try to pick up the pieces and find and cherish the leftover women. The Great Wall just needs a bit of rammed earth and bricks to be good as new. The developer of Xintiandi showed what a pushover the American was when the real estate market went sour in New York.

[QUOTE=WhyTheFace;1886582]I stayed at The Courtyard by Marriott on Hengfend for 2 nights. The second night I was walking in front of my hotel when a lady asked me if wanted company because she had girls. I asked her for pictures with their stomachs uncovered and she replies"she come now, 5 minutes. " I had difficulty talking with her so I walked on. BTW I had no intention of picking up a girl for sex. I was just taking a walk to get something to eat. I saw two women walking on the sidewalk near the front of a hotel only 2 more minutes down the sidewalk. The one looks back and I can tell they are hookers. I say "Hi" and chat a little on the sidewalk and she has good English. She wants 200 usd. We agree on 1000 cny. I told her I needed BBBJ. I could tell by the way she answered she would do BB sex. BTW I have never had sex with a Chinese hooker. The timing was perfect as it was only 8 pm on my final night.

Back in the room all is well (at least in the beginning). She takes her clothes off and looks nice. We take a shower together. She gives me an average BBBJ but I was satisfied. I put her in missionary and started rubbing her clit BB. I told her I want 15 minutes of sex, would cum, then take a shower, and then we could go for a second round. 2 hours max I told her. BB sex was good and at 15 minutes I cum and all is well. I take a shower and afterward she gives me a nice 15 minute full body massage. It wasn't profession but enough to relax me. She gives me a 5 minute BBBJ and I am back hard again. Less than a minute before I was ready for a second round she receives a text..[/QUOTE]Hi all,

Long time reader, first time post.

In Shanghai, crap like this happens all the time. I go crazy when they are attached to their phones during fun time. The best I would recommend is to go to the saunas where you can report this matter to the mama-san. I had a experience in the past where I had this early 20 year old girl with nice tits who I would try to see once a month. At the beginning I would go to the place she works at and of course trying to develop more feeling I started to have her make outcall at the hotel rather than visiting at her workplace. Like a standard process, we go thru the fun and then afterwards she starts typing text and receiving phone calls. Originally we agreed to a overnight of 1500 rmb (which I was glad to pay), but 2 hours into it she would then give me some bull shit excuse how her female friend is in trouble and shit like that and she had to leave to help.

I know we are about finding the "best value for the money" but like the old saying "what you pay is what you get" especially if it is not within a controlled environment.

Any however, I am Banana (yellow on the outside, white on the inside) expat living in Shanghai. Anyone need any recommendation let me know. Glad to help.

[QUOTE=SHAExpat;1887919]Hi all,

Long time reader, first time post.

In Shanghai, crap like this happens all the time. I go crazy when they are attached to their phones during fun time. The best I would recommend is to go to the saunas where you can report this matter to the mama-san. I had a experience in the past where I had this early 20 year old girl with nice tits who I would try to see once a month. At the beginning I would go to the place she works at and of course trying to develop more feeling I started to have her make outcall at the hotel rather than visiting at her workplace. Like a standard process, we go thru the fun and then afterwards she starts typing text and receiving phone calls. Originally we agreed to a overnight of 1500 rmb (which I was glad to pay), but 2 hours into it she would then give me some bull shit excuse how her female friend is in trouble and shit like that and she had to leave to help.

I know we are about finding the "best value for the money" but like the old saying "what you pay is what you get" especially if it is not within a controlled environment.

Any however, I am Banana (yellow on the outside, white on the inside) expat living in Shanghai. Anyone need any recommendation let me know. Glad to help.[/QUOTE]But. By that logic. You paid near Japan Goddess "treating you like you're a king" level money, only to have the same thing happen.

I think you should all just chalk it up to YMMV, voice your disappointment with them or any boss you can find, and never see them again.

[QUOTE=WhyTheFace;1886582]Less than a minute before I was ready for a second round she receives a text. She had a mix playing on her phone and it went to half volume. She says one moment and looks at her phone. I told her to come back or I would lose my hard on. She keeps typing and I told her I was serious. She comes closer to the bed and I tell her to stop typing. She keeps typing. I tell her how rude it is to stop having sex to have a conversation on her phone. She just keeps typing. I told her if she doesn't stop in the next 10 second I am giving her 500 and kicking her out. She continues and I scream at her to get out. All this time I am injecting small hints to stop texting followed by firm statements. 30 seconds later she stops and says sorry. I told her to put her clothes on and get out. I told her she had a choice to make (and she made it) and the mood had changed and we were done. She put her clothes on. I put 500 on the bed and she asked for 100 more which I gave her. I am writing this 10 minutes afterward and I am not sure how I feel. It being spontaneous was nice but I would rather have paid her 400 for more sex and a happier ending. I have had a ton of these encounters with Spanish women but never have the subtle hints escalated to this. It is not a surprise this happened in China as the entire culture are slaves to their cellphones as opposed to choosing to use them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SHAExpat;1887919]Hi all,

Long time reader, first time post.

In Shanghai, crap like this happens all the time. I go crazy when they are attached to their phones during fun time. [/QUOTE]I realized my error shortly after my post. This confrontation and mood changer could have been avoided. All I had to do was ask her to put her phone in airplane mode when she entered the room. I normally do this especially with new girls I can't depend on to be considerate. If she gave me a hard time all I had to say was, "baby, please do this for me or I am not going to be able to fully relax. " This would have been so much easier than depending on her to control her urges to respond to the incoming text. I would suggest you guys do the same if this bothers you as much as it does me.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1885469]Shaanxi Rd #250, next to the police station, is still open. It has gone way downhill since #3 and #18 left. Never was too clean and the protectors at the door not so friendly. If she is still there #5 has beautiful breasts and a decent handjob.[/QUOTE]Haha, too funny. The MP right next to the police station. Reminds me of the Diner next to the Police station in US where officers can always stop in for a free coffee and donut. No wonder they are still open.

Red Rope used to be rather popular years ago, then it kind of disappeared. I think Bodi is the only place that might still have this service, but only one or two girls can do it.

This new sauna just opened up in Yangpu district. Not only does it have the red rope service, it is probably the cheapest sauna I've come across. 498 rmb for 60 minutes FS without soapy massage, 598 rmb for 90 minutes FS with soapy. They also have overnight service for 1800 rmb which is very uncommon for a sauna. So if you factor in the cost for a girl and a room for the night, this is a bargain, just don't expect room service.

Warning: This is a brand new place so keep a few things in mind. 1. The selection stage is still under construction as of yesterday, 2. Number of girls in the 20's compared to other saunas 50's, 3. Although it's in a green zone, Yangpu, this place is new so we do not know the backing of this new establishment, safety is still a concern.

PM for location and contact number.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1888174]Red Rope used to be rather popular years ago, then it kind of disappeared. I think Bodi is the only place that might still have this service, but only one or two girls can do it.

This new sauna just opened up in Yangpu district. Not only does it have the red rope service, it is probably the cheapest sauna I've come across. 498 rmb for 60 minutes FS without soapy massage, 598 rmb for 90 minutes FS with soapy. They also have overnight service for 1800 rmb which is very uncommon for a sauna. So if you factor in the cost for a girl and a room for the night, this is a bargain, just don't expect room service.

Warning: This is a brand new place so keep a few things in mind. 1. The selection stage is still under construction as of yesterday, 2. Number of girls in the 20's compared to other saunas 50's, 3. Although it's in a green zone, Yangpu, this place is new so we do not know the backing of this new establishment, safety is still a concern.

PM for location and contact number.[/QUOTE]To Arizona.

Red rope is a lost art is was offer by some sauna in Jakarta try it a few month ago not where near the service you get in China, the shanghai hotel have the best I ever try back in 2004 cost is 750 rmb then and I have try red rope and black rope in Zhu Hai and Dogguan city the girl are not expert they only do it for 5 min on BBBJ no touching not like the old days the whole FS the girl is on the rope with many different positions.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=SHAExpat;1887919]Hi all,


I know we are about finding the "best value for the money" but like the old saying "what you pay is what you get" especially if it is not within a controlled environment.

Any however, I am Banana (yellow on the outside, white on the inside) expat living in Shanghai. Anyone need any recommendation let me know. Glad to help.[/QUOTE]Been there, , I landed a massage girl that would come to my room for 1000 all night. I also ended up paying her 500 for a quick pop in my room when I didn't want the company all night. She got less and less fun with more excuses on leaving. I probably had her come to my room 5 times. The last 2 were not worth it.

I just stopped calling her and moved on. She texted me for months, "when you come back to shanghai? " funny part I was already there.

My suggestion is move on bro. As an expat banana, you have the best of all worlds, you can keep hunting and be more and more picky. I am bald 50 and a tad overweight I speak some chinese but wiish I knew more. I never had to compromise. Did I have some bad experiences some times? Heck ya. Did I have girls on the phone after I came? Yup. I just moved on to better ones.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1888242]Been there, , I landed a massage girl that would come to my room for 1000 all night. I also ended up paying her 500 for a quick pop in my room when I didn't want the company all night. She got less and less fun with more excuses on leaving. I probably had her come to my room 5 times. The last 2 were not worth it.

I just stopped calling her and moved on. She texted me for months, "when you come back to shanghai? " funny part I was already there.

My suggestion is move on bro. As an expat banana, you have the best of all worlds, you can keep hunting and be more and more picky. I am bald 50 and a tad overweight I speak some chinese but wiish I knew more. I never had to compromise. Did I have some bad experiences some times? Heck ya. Did I have girls on the phone after I came? Yup. I just moved on to better ones.[/QUOTE]Hi SamCan,

Sorry to hear about that. I have moved on, of course sometimes in the back of my head I wish I would just nail her 1 more time and then tell her to F off. Anyways, I have been recently checking out massage places, not saunas. There was one near Shuidian Road and HuaYuan Road in Puxi, where it is 300 RMB for FS. Girls are about a 5 to 7 (but good value). Good massage but also depending on the on girl how well the ending would be. I tried going there about a week ago but it was closed down. From the looks of it, I believe they moved to a new location (I will check). I haven't been to any saunas recently as the price has sky rocket. Now in Saunas they categorize the girls in alphabets (I. E. A, B, S, T) The A's are about 900 RMB for 90 minutes, S's and T's ranges from 1600 RMB to 2500 RMB. Are you kidding me! Anyways, if I find any good places I will report back to everyone.

Good hunting.

[QUOTE=WhyTheFace;1888044]I realized my error shortly after my post. This confrontation and mood changer could have been avoided. All I had to do was ask her to put her phone in airplane mode when she entered the room. I normally do this especially with new girls I can't depend on to be considerate. If she gave me a hard time all I had to say was, "baby, please do this for me or I am not going to be able to fully relax. " This would have been so much easier than depending on her to control her urges to respond to the incoming text. I would suggest you guys do the same if this bothers you as much as it does me.[/QUOTE]In many cases, separating a girl from her cell phone is akin to asking her to cut her hand off.

I used to use a low power phone jammer (about 5 m radius). If you buy a more powerful unit, then multiple complaints from guests in other rooms may cause an wanted interruption to your fun (could even be injurious to your well-being).

These devices will even work where multiple frequencies are used. And yes, they are extremely effective with LTE services. Plenty of technical details are available on the internet and are readily available on-line.

Ikksman.

P.S. If you were feeling nasty, for less than $1,000 you could totally knock out an LTE base station serving 1,000's of users (particularly if that Telco had mothballed its 2 G and 3 G services). It is an unfortunate facet of the LTE design that it is extremely vulnerable to various types of attacks. Or, using a power amplifier you could take down the entire 4 G network. It is believed that a number of recent network failures (not in China) were caused by these types of attacks. What fun!

P. P.S. I have spoken to a number of manufacturers in China but typically Chinese companies / governments ignore or cover up problems until a disaster occurs.

Man,

I'm so depressed. I just moved to Shanghai, hoping to be able to visit some of the amazing MP's near Anyuan Lu. They used to do 200 for full and an extra hundred for BBJ. Now. All the MP's along Anyuan Lu between Jiaozhou Lu and Changping Lu have been closed.

Where have all the cheap sexy ladies gone? Anyone know any good MP areas. I hear Shaanxi Beilu is a good spot.

[QUOTE=WhyTheFace;1886582]I stayed at The Courtyard by Marriott on Hengfend for 2 nights. The second night I was walking in front of my hotel when a lady asked me if wanted company because she had girls. I asked her for pictures with their stomachs uncovered and she replies"she come now, 5 minutes. " I had difficulty talking with her so I walked on. BTW I had no intention of picking up a girl for sex. I was just taking a walk to get something to eat. I saw two women walking on the sidewalk near the front of a hotel only 2 more minutes down the sidewalk. The one looks back and I can tell they are hookers. I say "Hi" and chat a little on the sidewalk and she has good English. She wants 200 usd. We agree on 1000 cny. I told her I needed BBBJ. I could tell by the way she answered she would do BB sex. BTW I have never had sex with a Chinese hooker. The timing was perfect as it was only 8 pm on my final night.

Back in the room all is well (at least in the beginning). She takes her clothes off and looks nice. We take a shower together. She gives me an average BBBJ but I was satisfied. I put her in missionary and started rubbing her clit BB. I told her I want 15 minutes of sex, would cum, then take a shower, and then we could go for a second round. 2 hours max I told her. BB sex was good and at 15 minutes I cum and all is well. I take a shower and afterward she gives me a nice 15 minute full body massage. It wasn't profession but enough to relax me. She gives me a 5 minute BBBJ and I am back hard again. Less than a minute before I was ready for a second round she receives a text...[/QUOTE]I suspect she has a rich BF and must keep him happy by texting him when he sends a message, or he will get suspicious, and may already be so.

If she hadn't texted him, he would have called.

I can understand that you got angry, because you don't feel valued as a person like that.

But from her point of view she'd rather risk only taking 500 than loosing her BF.

This is just my assessment of the situation.

Recently I was in Shanghai for business. Due to time shortage did not have time to check ISG. Went in blind and was focusing on work and less on pleasure. Now I regret.

Anyways. Stayed at the Shanghai Marriott Hotel City Centre. Walking down the street from the hotel you will see many massage parlors. I tried one expecting only a massage. Price on the chart was CNY 250 but reduced it to 200 when I was about to walk away. Picked the service provider of my choice. Went inside the room and the girl (mid 20's) gave me a disposable under wear and was offered a shower. After I was all settled in, the lady started to give me a back massage using some form of cheap oil. Anyways, after she reached my lower back area, she pulled the under wear down a bit and started going very close to my ass. A few minutes later, she took the underwear away completely and I was surprised. Still I kept my mouth shut, dick hard and enjoyed.

About 15 minutes later and some close massages in my crotch area she motioned me to roll over (I do not speak or understand chinese & she spoke very few words of english). By this time, my dick was rock hard. She started off on my chest and quickly went over to my dick and started to give me a hand job. I got more excited and started to touch her body and my hand eventually went over to my boobs (with her clothes on). She stopped me when I put my hands under her tshirt and just said No. After a couple of minutes I tried again and this time she did not say anything. Small breasts. Firm. A little fat in the belly area. I wanted to suck but she would not. Signaling that there are people outside the door. I did not push my luck. Just took the HJ and smiled.

I wanted to return back but was too busy. They are open late in the night. I also tried another massage place in a nearby hotel with similar experience but had to pay extra. Later that week a friend told me that all massage places with purple lights indicate hanky panky with more than massage.

Hi guys,

Have not been to SH for years now and planning a trip to SH now:

- Does anyone know if the Sauna in 6 F of Najing Xi Lu 580 (above the fake market) is still open? I read that they might have closed.

- I also read about some recommendations about the Peabody Bodi Sauna and thought about staying at the Bodi Botique Hotel to have quick access. But I also read that the hotel's location is very bad. In the middle of nowhere. Is that true?

- So my alternate plan was to stay at the Shanghai Hotel, but I read that the sauna has closed also. Damn things change fast here.

Does anyone have a recommendation to a good sauna (good variety of girls, nuru or Soapy available & within the area of the Hilton)?

Prices should be around RMB 1. 000 / session not too much more.

Thanks a lot in advance!

There might not be that much sauna action near Hilton with the crackdown in JingAn and closing of Kang Ding, but you have pick up bars like Judy and Manhattan close by.

If you want to stick with saunas, the former manager of Kang Ding has a new place near Shanghai Swimming Center. It is a little bite more expensive than Kang Ding. Bodi might not be that bad a hike, You can take Line 2 from JingAn Temple towards Pudong Airport, and get off at Century Park (8 stops) and then take a taxi. But subway will stop running before 11 PM. There are also SiYuan and Sacrosa in the Century Avenue area. Redhouse and Baliya are not that far away from Hilton by taxi. All are within 1000 rmb range.

Just went to get a massage at my usual place in the alley next to the Shanghai Hilton. I do not read Chinese, but it had a faded sign above the doorway that said Royal Massage. It is just past JB massage.

Tonight, there was a different sign and the door was open (usually it is locked until someone comes to open). It had in English "Qing Blind Massage". I did not go in. Looks like they have changed. Has anyone had a massage there since the name change?

Weird that it's in the middle of nowhere right in the middle of the city. Getting a cab can take 10-15 minutes.

If you walk out the door and turn left, go about 500 meters and go up the stairs to the overpass road and turn left, and then turn left at the first major street, there's a row of stores and restaurants. That's about a 15 minute walk.

[QUOTE=SHtraveller;1890130]Hi guys,

Have not been to SH for years now and planning a trip to SH now:

- Does anyone know if the Sauna in 6 F of Najing Xi Lu 580 (above the fake market) is still open? I read that they might have closed.

- I also read about some recommendations about the Peabody Bodi Sauna and thought about staying at the Bodi Botique Hotel to have quick access. But I also read that the hotel's location is very bad. In the middle of nowhere. Is that true?

- So my alternate plan was to stay at the Shanghai Hotel, but I read that the sauna has closed also. Damn things change fast here.

Does anyone have a recommendation to a good sauna (good variety of girls, nuru or Soapy available & within the area of the Hilton)?

Prices should be around RMB 1. 000 / session not too much more.

Thanks a lot in advance![/QUOTE]

Thanks a lot for your help and the information.

Regarding Bodi Botique Hotel I found many testimonials that say that the hotel is in the middle of nowhere. Obviously is not.

So it might be a good choice to have an all-in-one package.

I loved the sauna in Nanjing Xi Lu 580 even if the facilities were old, but they always had a good choice of girls I like.

Also it was nice to have a little chitchat with a girl I know from a HanCity booth (a real cutie. I dated her several times).

I suppose the sauna is closed now?

I am not so much into the pick-up bars, as I prefer Chinese girls rather than Southeastasians.

Does anyone know a BJ-Bar like the infamous ZY-Bar many years ago? Is there anything like that?

Thanks a lot in advance!

The Bodi is not in the middle of nowhere, however compared to Jing'an, it might as well be. It is for sure not in the center of the city. It is definitely not convenient like the city center where you can find just about anything you want (not referring to mongering) within a short walk.

I have a couple sauna contacts in the city (for clarity, I try to avoid the city center like the plague), if you have wechat, drop me a pm and I'll gladly share.

Taz.

[QUOTE=SHtraveller;1890634]Thanks a lot for your help and the information.

Regarding Bodi Botique Hotel I found many testimonials that say that the hotel is in the middle of nowhere. Obviously is not.

So it might be a good choice to have an all-in-one package.

I loved the sauna in Nanjing Xi Lu 580 even if the facilities were old, but they always had a good choice of girls I like.

Also it was nice to have a little chitchat with a girl I know from a HanCity booth (a real cutie. I dated her several times).

I suppose the sauna is closed now?

I am not so much into the pick-up bars, as I prefer Chinese girls rather than Southeastasians.

Does anyone know a BJ-Bar like the infamous ZY-Bar many years ago? Is there anything like that?

Thanks a lot in advance![/QUOTE]

It is located in Pudong, surrounded by mid brow residential developments, without close access to shopping and dining establishments. There are not much foot traffics around the hotel, even during the day. You have to take a taxi to go to the subway stations, and to the business districts of Pudong. If you are in SHA for business. It is definitely not convenient, but room rates are cheaper, especially compared to Hilton.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1890715]It is located in Pudong, surrounded by mid brow residential developments, without close access to shopping and dining establishments. There are not much foot traffics around the hotel, even during the day. You have to take a taxi to go to the subway stations, and to the business districts of Pudong. If you are in SHA for business. It is definitely not convenient, but room rates are cheaper, especially compared to Hilton.[/QUOTE]Actually, it is relative convenient for travelers to Pudong airport. You can take the maglev train to the terminal, and take a taxi to the Bodi hotel within 30 to 40 minutes, have fun and come back within a few hours. I have done once when I have a about 4 hours between my flight.

Jb.

Gentlemen,

I'm going to Shanghai on a business trip on June 28. This will be my first visit to China so I don't know much about the mongering scene there. What are some of the popular mongering spots I can visit during my stay there?

I am interested in escorts as well. If you know any girls or a reliable escort service please do let me know.

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PM me and tell me about yourself and I will advise you.

[QUOTE=Jimmy420;1890893]Gentlemen,

I'm going to Shanghai on a business trip on June 28. This will be my first visit to China so I don't know much about the mongering scene there. What are some of the popular mongering spots I can visit during my stay there?

I am interested in escorts as well. If you know any girls or a reliable escort service please do let me know.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1890715]It is located in Pudong, surrounded by mid brow residential developments, without close access to shopping and dining establishments. There are not much foot traffics around the hotel, even during the day. You have to take a taxi to go to the subway stations, and to the business districts of Pudong. If you are in SHA for business. It is definitely not convenient, but room rates are cheaper, especially compared to Hilton.[/QUOTE]To NorthSouth.

Bodi is near the SNEIC convention center near the Huamu metro station line 7 bodi is middle of no where in the new Pudong area, I was at the CES convention a last month only take 10 min by taxi or about 15 min walk.

Fast Eddie 48.

You must be really be a Fast Eddie if it took you 15 min to walk when it was 10 min away by taxi.

Where in my post did I say Bodi is in New Pudong? I said it was surrounded by residential apartment blocks and not commercial establishments for shopping and dining. So the hotel might not be a good place to stay, only to visit and play.

The closest metro station may be the Shanghai Children Hospital with line 7 (but the taxi has to go a long way past Bodi before it can make a U turn and come back to Bodi on the other side of the road). But if someone comes from Hilton in JingAn, the direct ride without switching train is line 2 and getting off in Century Park, (and the taxi does not have to make any you turn) . Go look at Baidu map.

[QUOTE=WhyTheFace;1886582] She keeps typing and I told her I was serious. She comes closer to the bed and I tell her to stop typing. She keeps typing. I tell her how rude it is to stop having sex to have a conversation on her phone. She just keeps typing. I told her if she doesn't stop in the next 10 second I am giving her 500 and kicking her out. She continues and I scream at her to get out. All this time I am injecting small hints to stop texting followed by firm statements. 30 seconds later she stops and says sorry. I told her to put her clothes on and get out. I told her she had a choice to make (and she made it) and the mood had changed and we were done. She put her clothes on. I put 500 on the bed and she asked for 100 more which I gave her. [/QUOTE]WTF,

There are all different ways to handle this. I understand why you did what you did and would likely have handled it in a similar way.

You were paying for a service and that didn't included being interrupted by cell phone communications. I especially understand if you have had bad experiences before like this.

While there are a thousand legitimate reasons she might have done what she did. It was bad behavior from your perspective and there is certainly no need to reward bad behavior, especially when you are the customer.

MM.

Posting this summary report and putting everything in one FP.

I have a detail trip report of my adventures, and would be happy to share by posting it. It would take up a page in the forum, let me know if there is interest.

I start out my adventure seeking young college age girls who are spinner thin and have small tits.

I will rate each session as;.

Repeat: yes.

Repeat: could but prefer sampling a new girl.

Repeat: no.

Day 1 Session 1: Dong Guan Sauna.

I ask for a girl who is 20 or younger. Guy suggest A12 and says she is 19.

I see M28 from my prior visit, smiling happily at me.

19 seems too much for me to pass up so I select A12.

English Skills: Decent.

Girl: A12.

City Harbin.

Age: 25.

Height: 5 feet 2 inches.

Spinner: No.

Tits: see cups and soft.

Stomach: Small and soft squishy.

Ass: Firm.

Thighs: Firm.

Face: Plain & too much make up, and shaved eyebrows and drawn them in.

Hair: Beautiful long thick hair (Her best feature).

Pussy: Average size, but very loose.

Blow Job: Good, only get 4 inches deepthroat.

Riding CG: 10 minutes until tired.

Moaning: Fake noises.

Sex: 20 minutes average.

1st Orgasm: Cum on her face.

Rest time: We talk and she can read english, she is not hot enough to grope.

2nd Orgasm: Didn't happen pussy to loose and not attractive enough girl.

Repeat: No.

Price: 1000.

I wait an hour and say the other girl was not 19. They apologize and offer me 2 girls who they say are 21.

One has huge tits and one has small tits, I opt for the small tit girl.

Day 1 Session 2: Dong Guan Sauna.

English Skills: None.

Girl: M05.

City: Jiangsu.

Age: 24.

Height: 5 feet 7 inches.

Spinner: Yes.

Tits: Perfect A cups with large sexy nipples, but soft to touch.

Stomach: Perfect flat but soft.

Ass: Small but soft.

Face: Pretty and no make up, perfect for licking.

Hair: Bobby pinned up, doesn't look that good.

Pussy: Average size, nice tight pussy.

Blow Job: Very Good, 6 inches deep throat.

Riding CG: 15 mintues until tired.

Moaning: Real sex noises.

Sex: 10 minutes as struggling not to cum, and she is squezzing her pussy agressively.

1st Orgasm: Missionary.

Rest time: Does not allow groping, did a poor massage.

2nd Orgasm: Doggy laying on top.

Repeat: Could but prefer sampling new girl.

Price: 1400.

Day 2 Session 1: Dong Guan Sauna (room temperature too hot).

English Skills: Limited, knows a few words.

Girl: A31.

City: Sichan.

Age: 19.

Height: 5 feet 2 inches.

Spinner: Yes.

Tits: Perfect A cups, but soft to touch.

Stomach: Pefect firm flat stomach.

Ass: Small, but a little soft.

Face: Pretty little make up.

Hair: Ugly, she has a hair weave in it, and it looks bad.

Pussy: Small, but not tight.

Blow Job: Average.

Riding CG: 20 minutes until she get tired.

Moaning: Mostly quiet.

Sex: First time too hot, second time came right away.

1st Orgasm: Happened while licking my balls.

Rest time: Allowed groping, enjoyed talking.

2nd Orgasm: Doggy laying on top.

Repeat: Could but prefer sampling new girl.

Price: 1000.

Day 3 Session 1: Escort from SNG.

English Skills: None, but we can use her phone.

Girl: Tessa.

City: Jiangsu.

Age: 23.

Height: 5 feet 3 inches.

Spinner: Just a little bigger.

Tits: Perfect small be cups, but a little soft.

Stomach: Small firm stomach.

Thighs: Muscular and firm.

Face: Pretty and little make up.

Hair: Soft long hair, but dyed brown.

Pussy: Small tight pussy.

Blow Job: Good, except when she flutter her tongue long my dickhead.

Riding CG: Short as I keep stopping her so I don't cum.

Moaning: Real sex noises.

Sex: 30 minutes because we try to do anal.

1st Orgasm: Doggy laying on top.

Rest time: None, all spent in shower.

Repeat: Could but prefer sampling new girl.

Price: 1700.

Sex was good, but rest of session was not.

Booked 1 hour session, she stayed 1 hour 20 minutes.

5 minutes chatting by phone.

20 minutes shower.

30 minutes sex.

20 minutes shower.

5 minutes get dressed and leave.

She did a major inspection of my dick, more doctors office than escort.

She made a huge mess in bathroom with water everywhere, I had to clean up after she left.

She used almost all the shampoo and body wash, I had to put the caps on after she left.

20 minutes for each shower seemed intentionally slow.

She took time to polish her shoes after the shower.

Although the session was supposed to include Anal.

She put her finger in her ass.

She put my finger in her ass.

We tried 8 times and couldn't get my dick in her ass.

That might be my fault as I have never successfully done anal.

Day 3 Session 2: SNG Guided Nightlife tour (room temperature too hot).

English Skills: None.

Girl: B186.

City: Sichan.

Age: 18.

Height: 5 feet 2 inches.

Spinner: Yes.

Tits: Perky Firm A cups.

Stomach: Perfect firm flat stomach.

Ass: Perfect firm ass.

Thigh: skinny and firm.

Face: Pretty, little make up, discoloration on two front teeth, has some mongolian or uighar in her.

Hair: Medium lenght light brown dye job, soft hair.

Pussy: Small tight pussy.

Blow Job: Average, 4 inches in deep throat.

Riding CG: Short as I keep stopping her so I don't cum.

Moaning: Real sex noises.

Sex: I pick her up and fuck her standing up while holding her and then leaning her against the wall.

1st Orgasm: start on her side and then move to missionary.

Rest time: Allowed groping, and intersted in looking at phrase book.

2nd Orgasm: Doggy laying on top.

Repeat: Yes.

Price:800.

Tout and manager of sauna is attractive lady, I was surprised by that.

Sauna in old building not nice bathroom, but didn't go for facilities.

She was the best session, the cheapest session, and the only one I want to repeat with.

She said I was the first foreigner she had been intimate with.

Day 3 Session 3: SNG Guided Nightlife tour.

English Skills: None.

Girl: A501.

City: Hangzhou in Zhejiang.

Age: 25.

Height: 5 feet 3 inches.

Spinner: No.

Tits: Small be Cups, soft and partiall deflated.

Stomach: Small and soft.

Ass: Small and soft.

Face: Pretty, little make up, long sexy neck.

Hair: Shoulder length soft black.

Pussy: Large and tight.

Blow Job: Excellent and long.

Riding CG: Short as I don't' like looking at her tits or stomach and have her do RCG.

Moaning: Real sex noises.

Sex: pounding thrusting hard sex.

1st Orgasm: missionary.

Rest time: no groping, give bad massage.

2nd Orgasm: doggy laying on top.

Repeat: No.

Price: 1000.

Selection room had a glare making it hard to read the numbers.

Nice new building and facilities, had hot tub and TV and dresser.

Had mirrors above the bed, nice touch.

Did POV blow job.

Did skull fucking.

Wrap up.

I finished my work in China on this trip. I had fun, I wanted more of B186.

If I return I will post about my adventures.

Marelobo.

Thanks for the report MareLobo Mex. Would love to try out B186. Will try to PM you for the location of that establishment, as soon as I get my membership approved. Paid two days ago, but have not got the rights yet.

Man! That is what I call a work week! Sounds like my idea of a good time. Glad the SNG tour worked out, I always thought about having Steven lead me through. I, however, not one for saunas. . Tend to enjoy the thrill of the hunt on the pick ups and judy's and manhattans.

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;1891779]WTF,

There are all different ways to handle this. I understand why you did what you did and would likely have handled it in a similar way.

You were paying for a service and that didn't included being interrupted by cell phone communications. I especially understand if you have had bad experiences before like this.

While there are a thousand legitimate reasons she might have done what she did. It was bad behavior from your perspective and there is certainly no need to reward bad behavior, especially when you are the customer.

MM.[/QUOTE]I really think this behavior is rude, but there might be other ways to solve them.

A few years ago I had an escort in my room and she did quite a good job but started taking phone calls in the middle of the second session.

She was giving me a BBBJ and picked up the phone while talking to someone; she continued sucking, stopped for answering and started again. I wonder if the person on the line knew why her speech was surrounded by smacky sounds.

I was pounding her doggy style when she picked up her phone for the second time. I slowed down, but when I imagined that the phone call would take longer I did not care and pounded her normally.

Some sort of a kinky experience to have audio-audience while having sex.

What I want to say is to make the best out of this unpleasant situation. Try to use your testosterone for the nice things in life. .

Is it just a coincidence that a week after several less then positive posts about SNG that a poster appears with a very long extensive positive report on SNG? Call me cynical but terribly coincidental.

I do not do take out from SNG. I am not a subscriber of the site. I was actually on the receiving end of a swipe from Steven a few months back when he misread one of my posts as a slight of him. But I think you may be a little too cynical if you suspect Marelobo's long post was a fake tout for SNG. I think Mex is a foreign business visitor (Mex for Mexican?) He had many earlier posts about mongering in Mexico and Brazil. I did not read his latest report in detail, as it was again too long, but I did not quite see him shilling for Steven or SNG.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1890708]The Bodi is not in the middle of nowhere, however compared to Jing'an, it might as well be. It is for sure not in the center of the city. It is definitely not convenient like the city center where you can find just about anything you want (not referring to mongering) within a short walk.

I have a couple sauna contacts in the city (for clarity, I try to avoid the city center like the plague), if you have wechat, drop me a pm and I'll gladly share.

Taz.[/QUOTE]It is near a highway intersection and not a lot of taxi traffic or nearby businesses, I think that is considered middle of nowhere in Shanghai.

It is possible to walk to JinXiu Road Station (Line 7) in about 15 minutes provided you know which direction you are going and walk pass several large residential neighborhoods.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1891323]You must be really be a Fast Eddie if it took you 15 min to walk when it was 10 min away by taxi.

Where in my post did I say Bodi is in New Pudong? I said it was surrounded by residential apartment blocks and not commercial establishments for shopping and dining. So the hotel might not be a good place to stay, only to visit and play.

The closest metro station may be the Shanghai Children Hospital with line 7 (but the taxi has to go a long way past Bodi before it can make a U turn and come back to Bodi on the other side of the road). But if someone comes from Hilton in JingAn, the direct ride without switching train is line 2 and getting off in Century Park, (and the taxi does not have to make any you turn) . Go look at Baidu map.[/QUOTE]To North South.

Why you never heard of traffic jam In Shanghai sometime is faster to walk just after CES trade show is out the traffic is so bad I could of just walk to Bodi.

Fast Eddie 48.

By comparing apples and oranges. How about comparing driving time during a traffic jam in Shanghai and walking time during the Hajj in Mecca?

Actually, he was wrong (deliberately) even when he was trying to confusticate : the drive time between SNEIC Convention Center and Bodi is 10 to 12 minutes under NORMAL driving condition (Baidu and Bing) The distance between the two places is 6. 6 km or 3. 9 miles. Walking time according to Bing and Baidu is 40 or 49 minutes. To cover that distance on foot in 15 minutes, you have to run 4 minute mile all the way. Fail!!

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1893863]By comparing apples and oranges. How about comparing driving time during a traffic jam in Shanghai and walking time during the Hajj in Mecca?

Actually, he was wrong (deliberately) even when he was trying to confusticate : the drive time between SNEIC Convention Center and Bodi is 10 to 12 minutes under NORMAL driving condition (Baidu and Bing) The distance between the two places is 6. 6 km or 3. 9 miles. Walking time according to Bing and Baidu is 40 or 49 minutes. To cover that distance on foot in 15 minutes, you have to run 4 minute mile all the way. Fail!![/QUOTE]NS. What is the distance from the Longyang Subway (next to the Maglev Station) to Bodi? It seems shorter than 6 km.

Ealier someone had suggested taking the Maglev from the airport to Longyang Station and then a taxi to Bodi.

I have tried to get a taxi from the Maglev station on many occasions. The abandoned cab line is full of rip off cars that want 200 RMB and real taxis won't take you unless you are going some distance. Even after being offered 50 RMB for a 10 minute ride. I've had to drag suitcases to a nearby hotel (Jumeriah. A pretty long walk with 2 suitcases) to get a short distance cab out of there.

I get in a metered cab first, then tell the driver where to go. Just refuse to get out if he makes a fuss. That will not work with a gypsy cab. He will forcibly drag you out. The DiDi kuai DiDi further complicates even finding a Chinese cab that will stop anymore. Please, let's help each other navigate and not argue about trivial matters.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1894004]I get in a metered cab first, then tell the driver where to go. Just refuse to get out if he makes a fuss. That will not work with a gypsy cab. He will forcibly drag you out. The DiDi kuai DiDi further complicates even finding a Chinese cab that will stop anymore. Please, let's help each other navigate and not argue about trivial matters.[/QUOTE]My last try at getting a genuine cab was met with a locked door and a driver who wouldn't unlock it until he knew where I was going. I guess I could have lied and then changed my mind once inside.

Now I just take a cab from the airport all the way in. It's more money and time but way less aggravation. The maglev is good for going to the airport, however, so it's only coming from that is of issue.

When you arrive at the Longyang station from the airport, at the bottom of the escalator turn left to go to the legitimate taxi queue. I've never had a problem with a driver there refusing a ride.

If you turn right at the bottom of the escalator you will end up outside where the fake or gypsy taxis line up. They want 300 for a ride to the Bund (should be about 50 or 60).

For cheapskates like me the #2 bus from the airport to Jingan from Pudong can't be beat at 22 rmb. Only 45 minutes to the Nanjing road terminal, very close to the Temple. On the main subject of ISG, finding women to have sex with, a true gem has returned to Shanghai at a Changshou Rd Spa.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1894093]For cheapskates like me the #2 bus from the airport to Jingan from Pudong can't be beat at 22 rmb. Only 45 minutes to the Nanjing road terminal, very close to the Temple. On the main subject of ISG, finding women to have sex with, a true gem has returned to Shanghai at a Changshou Rd Spa.[/QUOTE]Hi Beijing!

Thanks for your recommendation. Do you mean the Qian Shui Wan Leisure Club (Changshou Road Branch) in 4/ F, Century Business Building, 99 Changshou Road?

The HappyMassage-Site says that they offer HJ, B2 B, etc. But there is nothing about full service.

Could you give some more details on the SPA?

Thanks a lot!

The distance between Longyang station (metro or Maglev, which are next to each other) to Bodi is 2. 6 miles: 35 min on foot or 8-9 min driving .

If you are a foreigner, getting off the Maglev, and struggling with 2 suitcases, you are a ripe target for rip off by the taxi drivers. The Maglev fare is 50 to 100 rmb one way from Pudong Airport, and 5 rmb if you take line 2 and get off at the Longyang metro station, so they think you got bills in your pocket if you take the Maglev.

If you are looking for a nice convenient place to stay, you can look at either Sofitel (you get off at the Nanjing Road East Station on line 2 and it is only a couple of blocks from the metro station in the famous and busy pedestrian mall. Nice hotel, nice breakfast, about 720-900 rmb a night on random check on C-trip. Just do not engage with any tout outside) or Paramount, Equatorial or Hilton further down in JingAn with metro line 2). You go and settle in the hotel first and then go out unencumbered to play.

If one thinks setting straight the difference between a 15 minutes walk and 40-49 minute walk is trivial argument, one is entitled to his opinion, but that is part of helping to navigate. You do not assume it is a close walk and end up on foot alongside the elevated highway with little pedestrian traffic or much else, for close to an hour.

Given the reckless driving of most taxi drivers, potential rip off and often poor attitude, I do not take taxi in Shanghai as a rule. I take the metro and perhaps connect further by city bus (the buses are actually not bad, and they have station information both by voice and on a flashing board, in Chinese and English.). I will definitely walk if it is only 15 -20 minutes away.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1894315]If you are a foreigner, getting off the Maglev, and struggling with 2 suitcases, you are a ripe target for rip off by the taxi drivers. The Maglev fare is 50 to 100 rmb one way from Pudong Airport, and 5 rmb if you take line 2 and get off at the Longyang metro station, so they think you got bills in your pocket if you take the Maglev.

If you are looking for a nice convenient place to stay, you can look at either Sofitel (you get off at the Nanjing Road East Station on line 2 and it is only a couple of blocks from the metro station in the famous and busy pedestrian mall. Nice hotel, nice breakfast, about 720-900 rmb a night on random check on C-trip. Just do not engage with any tout outside) or Paramount, Equatorial or Hilton further down in JingAn with metro line 2). You go and settle in the hotel first and then go out unencumbered to play.[/QUOTE]No offense but I don't get the rational of telling people not to take the MAGLEV to stay away from getting scammed by drivers. Only to tell them to take a hotel on Nanjing East Road (the tourists hub) at the one place in Shanghai where the concentration of scams is the highest:

- Fake art galeries.

- Tea ceremony scams.

- Girls approaching you for language and cultural exchange in a scamming bar.

- Lady massage & KTV touts at night.

- Fake taxis with inflated prices on the junction between East / West Nanjing.


MAGLEV, just like the airport has a legit line for taxis where I never had any problems taking one, and another spot where scammers wait for lost tourists. Its true everywhere in China and not just for foreigners but for non local chinese too. Just stay away from them when they ask you if you want to go for a set price.

Moreover if you don't trust taxis use APP. You can use uber in your home language and book a "People Republic of Uber" / Uber POP local driver. They can't scam you since you pay through uber and the route is traced by the app. If you get scammed a simple complaint to uber will get the route examined and the fee reimbursed to you. Most of the time its cheaper than taxis, up to 50 % cheaper on short itineraries. There are uber drivers everywhere on the map... more than taxis and even taxis start using it these days.

I hope this has run its course, or should the name of this website change?

BTW, bodi is easy enough to find with any map app (unlike many saunas) - if someone can't figure out that it's not in the middle of anything. Well, they probably shouldn't be using this site anyway (there is an age restriction after all.).

Pardon my frankness.

Taz.

I mentioned the hotel in Nanjing Road East because it is a two blocks walk from the metro station of line 2 , and is a direct shoot from the airport. I said it is a nice hotel to stay in, which it is and you can take line 2, line 10,or walk over to People Square station, where is a major transfer hub. Ypu can pretty much get to anywhere in the city from that area with public transportation and not taxi.

I specifically cautioned against engaging with any touts and scammers in the area. You do not play there. You are just going to stay in a hotel that is nice, secure and easy to get to and around, and not expensive. From that base you can go to play pretty much in all corners of the city. I stayed there before, and I never got taken because I did RRTF ( just like you did not get rip off near Maglev when others did)

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1894358]No offense but I don't get the rational of telling people not to take the MAGLEV to stay away from getting scammed by drivers.[/QUOTE]Granted it's been a couple of years and things in the back may have changed. But the last time I tried this, the back area where the legit cab stand used to be was all construction. I speak Chinese and I've been to Shanghai 20 times so I am not a tourist. Regardless, at that time, I was f'd and faced a a long March on a hot day dragging my luggage.

If things remain as they did at that time, a non-chinese speaking guy with a 4 hour layover trying to get to Bodi for a quicky is going to be f'd based on the advice I had given on here years ago.

If the legit cab stand has been made operational again, then all the better. But on my last attempt, it was a hole in the ground. THAT is the rational of telling people not to take the Maglev to get to Bodi, since you asked.

Hello all,

Anyone recently have places they go that are good & safe? I cap "SAFE", because I have been hearing recent crackdowns of Sauna (FS). However, for the massage (HJ), it is blurring the line, so some are opened and some are closed.

Be safe everyone.

Hello everyone,

I'm new here!

So I was searching for escort services online and I came across this site called "Rain in Shanghai".

Is it reliable? Has anyone here ever used their services before? Please let me know.

[QUOTE=Stegram;1894564]
If the legit cab stand has been made operational again, then all the better. [/QUOTE]It has yes. Construction work is usually rather fast in Shanghai.

It is legitimate. Ok service.

[QUOTE=MongerBro;1894683]Hello everyone,

I'm new here!

So I was searching for escort services online and I came across this site called "Rain in Shanghai".

Is it reliable? Has anyone here ever used their services before? Please let me know.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your reply. Can you recommend me other escort service providers in Shanghai?

[QUOTE=Marty47;1894791]It is legitimate. Ok service.[/QUOTE]

Swedish, I will try to help you if I can.

Samcan, thanks for he comment, I also like the thrill of the hunt, but I was in China for work. Had limited time, limited language skills, and I really wanting a Chinese girl versus a Veit or Thai girl.

Bad Boy be, you are welcome to think whatever you want. I was simply trying to share information as I appreciated reading the information and this site is how I found SNG.

NorthSouth is basically correct. Sorry for the long posts, I tried to cut it down and only provide relevant information on the girls.

Bad Boy be not that it matters but I will share additional information.

I traveled to Mexico frequently between 2002 and 2007. Many of my posts are still on this board you can look at them yourself. On the Mexico board it was quite common to use the trip report style. I also found those reports the most valuable as guys detailed what they did right and what they did wrong. Yes, they were long but people like me who could not go frequently could live vicariously through other adventures.

In 2008 I changed jobs and traveled to Brazil in 2009 and back to Mexico in 2012. I also posted about those trips on this board.

I changed jobs again recently and had to take this trip to China.

This was my fifth trip to China over the last 20 years. During my second trip one of my Chinese colleagues introduced me to a 28 year old girl from Beijing who was interested in foreigners. We had more sex than rabbits do, and I figured it was a once in a lifetime adventure. Although I developed a healthy taste for Chinese pussy.

On my subsequent trips, I had no idea how to get girls or where to go. I did not do any research ahead of time, as these where short business trips. I did have girls approach me who where hot and could speak some English. I knew it was scam all along and avoided the scams, but left both times frustrated and horny.

On this trip I researched ahead of time on ISG and SNG. And I had a great time.

My personal opinions are SNG has a lot of valuable information. It is well worth the membership. And the guided tour was a good option for me, because my time is far more limited than my funds. If I was living in China I would not likely do many guided tours as I would learn to speak some Chinese and find my own way around.

Note of the three nights I reported about I only used SNG on the last night. The first two night I went out on my own.

As for SNG I have shared with them my thoughts about their site. I have given them numerous suggestions. A few they have taken, most have been ignored, and a few they did the opposite of what I suggested. I am ok with all those outcomes, as it is their site and they can do whatever they want. It makes no difference to me.

I don't have any trips planned back to China, but will look to enjoy reading about everyone else's fun until I have additional work there.

MM.

On my last trip to Shanghai Malone's was still a gutted ruin. Is there any news about what it is going to be next?

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1895916]On my last trip to Shanghai Malone's was still a gutted ruin. Is there any news about what it is going to be next?[/QUOTE]The Spot moved in to there.

Hello mates,

I am wondering what is the reasonable price for the girl in Judy's and Manhattan?

Both ST and LT? I went there and the girl quoted me RMB 1500 for short time, but I didn't take it.

Anyone tried out?

I also heard there is a super curvy Colombian girl in Judy's.

What is her calling price?

Thanks.

Hello mates,

Wondering how much price for girl in Judy's and Manhattan?

For both ST and LT.

I also heard there is a super curvy Colombian girl in Judy's these days.

What is her calling price?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=TryingHard;1896178]Hello mates,

I am wondering what is the reasonable price for the girl in Judy's and Manhattan?

Both ST and LT? I went there and the girl quoted me RMB 1500 for short time, but I didn't take it.

Anyone tried out?

I also heard there is a super curvy Colombian girl in Judy's.

What is her calling price?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]1500st is definitely high end of scale. 1000 should certainly work. Some get much lower.

Hello!

Manhattan girls start high.

LT should be no problem 1000 CNY.

ST should be 500 - 600 CNY.

Got to bargain.

Let them walk away.

They will come back.

Judy's runs a little higher.

I like Manhattan.

11 pm best time.

Rainman

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1896262]1500st is definitely high end of scale. 1000 should certainly work. Some get much lower.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MongerBro;1894841]Thank you for your reply. Can you recommend me other escort service providers in Shanghai?[/QUOTE]SNG, Rain in Shanghai and Helen & Friends. There are certainly also others, just google Escort Shanghai, and you might find some more.

The pics of Helen's side are blurred, and the side hasn't been updated in a while.

Rain is authentic, and she has a wide range of girls. Most of them do not speak English, but I had some good experience.

SNG has been widely discussed here in this thread. I so far only made good experiences.

Lev.

Was staying in a hotel for a few days near Xiupu Road, Pudong area. Felt I needed a release badly. The bad thing: None of the Google services work in China, which I was not aware before I landed (so no Chrome, no Google Maps, or even FB). Help came from unexpected side. While travelling in Taxi. These "colorful" visiting cards were stuck to the window sill. So when the taxi stopped while I had to dis-embark, I pulled those cards out. Once I was back to the hotel, called these nos. 1 by 1.and found few guys talking decent English. So asked them to send pics of the girls in WhatsApp (was working luckily, most of them asked for my WeChat. Which I never used).

Once I agreed on the girl (with no extras for taxi charges), was informed that the girl will arrive in 20 minutes. The deal was for a massage and FS for an hour.

She reached my hotel room in 30 mins, looked quite close to what photos were sent, young college going type iterative girl, but looked smaller in physique. I closed the door, and she put her handbag on the bed. While I sat on the bed she immediately came up to me and sat on my lap giving me a kiss. Hmm. Not bad for a starter.

Had general chit-chat for awhile, while I tested her English and she tested my Chinese. She said her name is Feifei. She had her hands on my thighs. And asked me to strip and lie down on the bed for a dry massage. She did a decent massage and later even climbed on top of me. She was indeed light weight!

During the massage she stripped off her bra, a tiny cup size. Like a teen's. Then she asked me to flip over and lie on my back. And she gave those accidental brushes to johny to stir it awake. She gave those tiny pecks on the cock-head. While she crossed my thighs to massage my shoulders. And in a while she took my semi-hard one in her mouth. And gave me a lovely BBJ with just the right lip and tongue pressure. She had a great technique and I was hard in the shortest time possible. I asked her for a 69, she turned around and asked me to take off her panties. All happened quick. She had those baby soft pubes and thin lips. Her BBJ skills were taking me the edge. But I held back.

Finally she tore off a rubber and slipped it on me and did a WOT. Praise the spring bed. The ride was smooth and in the right speed. Pulled her down to suck on her melons. And alternated with a DFK. She was moaning in my mouth. Or was it me in her mouth. I came within 2 minutes. Had few after-shock shivers. Kissed her a last time and then we had a quick short bath together. And off she went.

Damage: RMB600.

After my 1st episode of success without Google search, I wanted this time to try a Massage with a happy ending (or more). In my earlier visits, I did have few good experiences although not more than a HJ in some other cities.

June 2016, had few rainy evenings. And I walked out with an umbrella on foot just to look around. There was a massage right next to my hotel (which I already tried a day before), but unfortunately they did only a professional massage with no hanky-panky involved. I thought my RMB110+ had gone for a waste with a massage over my clothes, but before I could feel the damage and crib. I was sleeping, yeah, the massage was painful, but I think my body needed that.

So as I walk in the slight drizzle, I saw a KTV bar with avg. Looking girls standing lined up on both sides of the door, I avoided going in, as I was told KTV's are a waste of money.

There ahead of me I saw a big English massage board in an arched fashion (again in Xiupu Road, Pudong area). The name means "look amazed open mouthed". It looked like a boutique store and my gut feeling said they surely have "it" here.

So while I folded my umbrella and entered in, a young man at the reception. Speaks to me in sign language. Hmm. So no English here. My luck!

He takes out his menu card. And points it at an item which reads RMB280, I make a questioning gesture as to what is included in that. He tells me in sign language. With his imaginary boobs crushing together (which meant B2B) and then shakes his fist up and down on this finger (which I took as HJ). Then he shows his finger in the mouth (I take it as BJ). Then he sort of warns me and makes a hole with one hand and puts his finger into it and says NO (or not allowed). Hmm so no fucking.

I take a look at a middle-aged slim woman looking at me from another room. She stands up and smiles at me. So she would be my therapist. I look for a choice. There is a slightly prettier and younger girl inside the room, but she is having her dinner. Too bad.

I am taken upstairs to an alley full of rooms on 1 side. Very dimly lit with an attached bath. I am ushered inside 1 of them, there's a bed with neatly folded sheets and towels.

The lady comes in behind me with her massage kit, locks the door. Keeps it on a nightstand and asks me to strip in gestures. For a moment I felt shy. Funny!

After I strip I am asked to take a shower, and then after that I lie down on the bed face down. She apples some lotion and starts her work on me. Starts from shoulder / neck. , back and my butts. She did a good massage no doubt (it was not painful like the other day). She takes of her dress (now only in panties) and does nice B2B, later she does some feather-touches on me. And I am sure I got goosebumps all over, even my butts too.

Then she asks me to part my thighs, she slides in her legs underneath me and does a balls massage from behind. My first time. And it felt really good. She would tug on my cock as well. Sort of pulling it or milking it. I was erect but not fully. Later she asks me to push myself back like a doggy bend, and while I did this. She started accessing my balls and cock in a better way. Then she started rimming me as well and I got my second goosebumps (this time a stronger flush). After like 4-5 minutes. She asked me to turn over.

Now facing down, she took hold of my cock and started sucking me with vigor as she caressed my balls. She was giving an excellent BBJ. I became hard in a sec. And she continued on my cock as if it's the last cock on earth. I thought I will come in her mouth if she goes on like this. I could feel my cum rising, almost there. Almost there. And then she stopped at the right moment. Phew!

She got up and came on the other side of the bed, this gave me enough time to cool off. She then held my cock, after she smeared dollops of cream in her hand and started giving me a slopping wet handjob. She would mostly play around my cock head and glans, and while she did this she was full time sucking my nipples, and flicking her tongue on my nipples. I was in heaven. She was moaning as part of arousing me more. I jerked my hips and spurted and spasmed. I shot my first load on my chest. Just close to her face, somewhere in between my nipples. A spurted few more. Her hands were still caressing my glans. And here lips were still latched on to my nipples. I subsided after 2 minutes or so to normal.

She smiled at me, and I smiled sheepishly back at her. And she pointed me towards the bath to clean myself off. I took another bath, dressed myself and went downstairs to the reception. Paid the guy, smiled and gave him a thumbs up! He smiled back and slightly bowed back at me.

When I was in Shanghai last April, I picked up two black beauties at Judys. They told me they were sisters. (There was some resemblance Or how you spell it).

They agreed on 1000 each for ST (if you can call 3 hours ST).

Had good fun with them both.

Both of them were squirters, and I can tell you that the bed was so soaking afterwards, that it would probably had been drier to sleep in the shower.

[QUOTE=RainmanSahut;1896340]Hello!

Manhattan girls start high.

LT should be no problem 1000 CNY.

ST should be 500 - 600 CNY.

Got to bargain.

Let them walk away.

They will come back.

Judy's runs a little higher.

I like Manhattan.

11 pm best time.

Rainman[/QUOTE]

Could you give us some more indications about the adress of this massage parlor?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Levitian;1896358]

Rain is authentic, and she has a wide range of girls. Most of them do not speak English, but I had some good experience.

Lev.[/QUOTE]Do you remember names of girl who gave you such good experience? Thanks.

Hello everyone,

I have a very short trip, may be two nights coming up this week end in Shanghai.

Would love to have FS with a slim Chinese girl. Need help with massage parlour which provide FS and are not too heavy on the pocket. How do I locate them?

I would also like WGs who have their own place or can come for ST in a cheaper hotel. Would not like to bring them in my hotel as its booked by the company. I would mostly be staying in a 5 star hotel. Shall provide the name as soon as its booked.

[QUOTE=SexInCity;1897208]Do you remember names of girl who gave you such good experience? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I met Monica, Jia Jia and Lucy. Lucy apparently has left the stable, but many new girls have joined.

Try Rain's wechat, rainescort1001, more pics of the girls.

Lev.

Dear all,

Long time reader, but first time officially posting a report. Here it goes.

Deciding to get back into the game, I decide to a visit a old place that I frequent a lot for some oil massage (HJ and BJ). The only girl that was available was a bit too skinny but I figure "what the hell, it has been a while". We walk into a room no bigger than 7 to 10 sqm. I wouldn't say the environment is nice but it will do for the price. So standard process, of washing myself and then laying on the bed. At first, the girl was little shy didn't say to much but I though I should break the ice and try to make normal talk (how her day was, busy, and etc). The normal massage is nice about 30 minutes and then she puts oil on my ass (I am sleep on my stomach) and starts massaging my frank and beans. The feeling was great!! This was done about 10 more minutes and she used a hot towel to wipe me and asked me to turn around. Basically, you can imagine what is next, but I think because of her attitude and our talk, she let me go down on her and started to moan. I was grabbing a hand full of ass and tits. Afterwards, she started to give me BJ (not bad) and then went straight HJ. All this lasted about 10 mins. All I can try to think is "don't fucking blow it", but couldn't resist.

Location: Corner of An Yuan Road & Jiang Ni Road (there is a office building cross from it).

Name of place: There were no signs.

Environment: 5 out of 10.

Girl's looks: 6 out of 10 (about 158 cm height (but with high heels 160+cm, 40 ish kg weight, age 22, nice firm be size cup, with tattoos on forearm, thighs, butt, and back).

Girl 's attitude: 10 out of 10.

Girls that I saw in the hall: average of 5 out of 10 (difficult to say what age they are).

Damage to the wallet: 258 RMB.

Anyway, slowly getting back into the game so I will post more report when I can.

If any comments on posting better reports, please let me know.

Best regards.

Read somewhere on this forum, that there are some pharmacies where you can buy the blue one without prescription. Tried 3 places with no luck.

Anyone know a place in Shanghai where you can buy those without too many questions?

Not possible for me to fix this at home, since the small town I live in is full of gossip, and doctor / patient confidentiality is nothing you can trust.

The missy could find out and start wondering why I'm not using them on her.

Feel free to PM me.

[QUOTE=Apat5483;1897744]Hello everyone,

I have a very short trip, may be two nights coming up this week end in Shanghai.

Would love to have FS with a slim Chinese girl. Need help with massage parlour which provide FS and are not too heavy on the pocket. How do I locate them?

I would also like WGs who have their own place or can come for ST in a cheaper hotel. Would not like to bring them in my hotel as its booked by the company. I would mostly be staying in a 5 star hotel. Shall provide the name as soon as its booked.[/QUOTE]Hi everyone,

Any help with the above message? Would love to get details of MPs and sauna which offer FS as well as other services, preferably for around 500 rmb.

[QUOTE=SwedishDude;1898096]Read somewhere on this forum, that there are some pharmacies where you can buy the blue one without prescription. Tried 3 places with no luck.

Anyone know a place in Shanghai where you can buy those without too many questions?

Not possible for me to fix this at home, since the small town I live in is full of gossip, and doctor / patient confidentiality is nothing you can trust.

The missy could find out and start wondering why I'm not using them on her.

Feel free to PM me.[/QUOTE]Swedish Dude: The following posts may be helpful: 8258,4796, 9963,9173. Locations vary from time to time. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Apat5483;1898510]Hi everyone,

Any help with the above message? Would love to get details of MPs and sauna which offer FS as well as other services, preferably for around 500 rmb.[/QUOTE]Clear your PM inbox, man. It is full.

[QUOTE=LostInShanghai;1898643]Clear your PM inbox, man. It is full.[/QUOTE]Can I have those information too? I'm heading to ShangHai soon. Thanks.

[QUOTE=LostInShanghai;1898643]Clear your PM inbox, man. It is full.[/QUOTE]Hello,

I have cleared my inbox. Thanks in advance.

I just visited SiYuan this afternoon.

They have made some pretty substantial changes since my last visit about 5 months ago.

First is pricing, SiYuan has introduced tiered pricing this week (June 21st).

The girls are divided into three tiers:

Blue Label - 780.

Black Label - 1080.

Red Label - 1380.

The pricing announcement says there is also a Model tier which I didn't bother to ask about pricing.

This also complicates the math for ordering multiple girls.

I think this is how it works:

Red Label + Blue Label = 1380 + 500 = 1880.

Red Label + Black Label = 1380 + 600 = 1980.

Red Label + Red Label = 1380 + 700 = 2080.

I ordered Red Label (822) + Black Label (861) = 1980, plus I also stayed for ear-cleaning. So total damage is 1980 + 80 = 2060 today.

Now about the girls, 822 came highly recommended from the floor manager.

She a slender build with nice tits, just the right size probably see cup, nice soft voice, great attitude and service.

861 has larger coconuts, but they are very soft, most likely natural the. She is slightly chubbier but not fat.

BTW, she used to work at a legit massage, the after-exercise massage is a great plus.

I recommend both girls.

The beds have also been replaced. The rooms now feature round beds. Not exactly more comfortable, but certainly more stylish.

The beds for the nuru massage has also been replaced with something sturdier with rails so less likely to slip off when wet.

The girls told me the club also changed the the robe for customers, but today I still got handed one of the old robes.

Hey all,

I have registered to the website after lurking for some time as non-registered. I have been frequenting in Shanghai lately for business trips, and would like to see more options which are lighter on wallet.

I have been to a sauna places on my last two trips and paid around 1,200 for great services (it was a place nearby Yuyuan garden), but hey, you can always look for something more easier on the wallet. Haven't tried the out-call as they always seem too good to be true.

If you have any good places to share, please let me know!

Thanks in advance.

Hi all,

I have been a lurker on the forums for the last couple of months after discovering this site. Here goes my first post!

I have been frequenting China last 1 year and have been in Shanghai and Beijing area in general for business. Some nights sure get lonely, and had my share of mongering as well in both Beijing and Shanghai. However, being the newbie who doesn't speak Chinese and doesn't have good Chinese contacts, all the encounters have been bit heavy on the wallet.

Therefore, I am kindly asking you brothers for good tips and contacts in Shanghai area before my next visit which will be around June 28th.

I have been to Sauna clubs in Shanghai around Yuyuan Garden area and paid 12 Maos, and wondering whether I paid too much? If there is any other cheaper, quality options available.

Never tried out-call in both Shanghai and Beijing as they seem too good to be true and I usually hear to tales of scam related to it.

Therefore, please help me out and certainly I will try to help out in exchange.

Thanks in advance.

1/ Why asking for tips when they are already available for read on this thread, some of them just a few posts below yours.

2/ What use will other posters make from your post when all there is to read is that you went to yuyuan for 1200 rmb? How about a decent report (type of the place / name / address / experience there, etc.

[QUOTE=FarFarEast89;1898890]Hi all,

I have been a lurker on the forums for the last couple of months after discovering this site. Here goes my first post!

I have been frequenting China last 1 year and have been in Shanghai and Beijing area in general for business. Some nights sure get lonely, and had my share of mongering as well in both Beijing and Shanghai. However, being the newbie who doesn't speak Chinese and doesn't have good Chinese contacts, all the encounters have been bit heavy on the wallet.

Therefore, I am kindly asking you brothers for good tips and contacts in Shanghai area before my next visit which will be around June 28th.

I have been to Sauna clubs in Shanghai around Yuyuan Garden area and paid 12 Maos, and wondering whether I paid too much? If there is any other cheaper, quality options available.

Never tried out-call in both Shanghai and Beijing as they seem too good to be true and I usually hear to tales of scam related to it.

Therefore, please help me out and certainly I will try to help out in exchange.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Has it always been this way or is the Shanghai scene getting crazy?

I was checking for MPs on a chinese site and noticed more and more sauna are advertising BBFS!?

Most often it seems the girls whom provide Anal Sex listed as a service provide BBFS too.

Hell if you look at this sauna here [URL]http://shhhy.org/thread-222219-1-1.html[/URL] almost 80% of the girls offer this service.

I'm glad I don't do saunas because its really going to become the russian wheel there. WTF is wrong with these places and how do they get these girls to risk their lives? And in return their customer's life. Would suck for a guy to do anal with a girl and because of the dom breaking getting something bad because she does BBFS as a service with many. Maybe even BBA?

Thanks for the heads up, I guess I got bit lazy and wanted to be spoon fed.

Regarding my visit:

It was a small Sauna place on the cross-intersection of Zhoujin Rd. And S. Henan Rd. Right next to Merchant's Bank, but you have to contact them actually enter, of course. Actually, I was directed there from SNG website (which I stumbled upon on google), where I used one of the free sauna information (didn't feel like signing up), the sauna place had the name of Dongguan Model club or something. They have like average of 15 girls at max at 1 rotation, I believe you can ask them for more. The manager guy actually had good English, to understand and discuss. It is not a spanking new place so don't expect high luxury place.

They had tiered system with girls ranging from be to models.

Entered the changing area, changed into funny looking shorts and shirts, then ushered into the selection area. Here is the tricky part and you are there with 20-30 pairs of eyes looking at you, which at first felt bit uncomfortable.

I had S class girl and paid around 1198 yuans for the service. Full 80 minutes + nuru and all the full package. Be-s were starting from 698 I think, but not up to my taste. Had the S61 girl. Solid 7 with slender build great racks but chest area not so big. Be+ at the most. And she was a great performer, able to go twice with OK massage and general relaxed non-rushed service. Of course, it is a sauna place so don't expect any GFE (its more mechanical).

Never tried the out-call in Shanghai and kindly asking anyone care to give some recommendations.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1899058]1/ Why asking for tips when they are already available for read on this thread, some of them just a few posts below yours.

2/ What use will other posters make from your post when all there is to read is that you went to yuyuan for 1200 rmb? How about a decent report (type of the place / name / address / experience there, etc.[/QUOTE]

Great report!

For outcall you have 3 english speaking options.

SNG, [URL]raininshanghai.com[/URL], [URL]helenandfriends.com[/URL].

Most chinese / craiglist / wechat alternatives have a lower starting price but will most often end up with upselling requests and a poor experience.

[QUOTE=FarFarEast89;1899905]
It was a small Sauna place on the cross-intersection of Zhoujin Rd. And S. Henan Rd. Right next to Merchant's Bank, but you have to contact them actually enter, of course. Actually, I was directed there from SNG website (which I stumbled upon on google), where I used one of the free sauna information (didn't feel like signing up), the sauna place had the name of Dongguan Model club or something. They have like average of 15 girls at max at 1 rotation, I believe you can ask them for more. The manager guy actually had good English, to understand and discuss. It is not a spanking new place so don't expect high luxury place.

They had tiered system with girls ranging from be to models.

Entered the changing area, changed into funny looking shorts and shirts, then ushered into the selection area. Here is the tricky part and you are there with 20-30 pairs of eyes looking at you, which at first felt bit uncomfortable.

I had S class girl and paid around 1198 yuans for the service. Full 80 minutes + nuru and all the full package. Be-s were starting from 698 I think, but not up to my taste. Had the S61 girl. Solid 7 with slender build great racks but chest area not so big. Be+ at the most. And she was a great performer, able to go twice with OK massage and general relaxed non-rushed service. Of course, it is a sauna place so don't expect any GFE (its more mechanical).

Never tried the out-call in Shanghai and kindly asking anyone care to give some recommendations.
[/QUOTE]

Carage posted about the new tier pricing system in SiYuan I thought I read somewhere SiYuan and Bodi are owed by the same boss. Would that mean Bodi will have the same tier system (a thinly disguised price increase) ?

Thanks for the info man!

Actually I am accessing ISG from mainland China for some, I thought it was blocked no?

I was bombarded by Wechat requests when used the nearby me option, but I was highly skeptical as the girls were too beautiful going for prices of 1000 RMB per HR. Might be true, might be not, but the upselling issue was always reported in previous posts.

Actually, might try one of the out-call options you mentioned, or might not and just go to new sauna place.

The link you posted on with shy. Org had great sauna locations, and was able to figure out the texts using translate.

Tang Dynasty and Red House were there as well, plus there we some additional places in Yangpu district and Rhyme Hotel or something (haha). Also I have been seeing the Bodi and Siyuan posts recently, are they any decent?

Which sauna had the best track record recently?

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1900022]Great report!

For outcall you have 3 english speaking options.

SNG, [URL]raininshanghai.com[/URL], [URL]helenandfriends.com[/URL].

Most chinese / craiglist / wechat alternatives have a lower starting price but will most often end up with upselling requests and a poor experience.[/QUOTE]

Hey all,

Another thing, did anyone actually check around the Jiashan. Zhejiang area (it is 1.30 hrs from Shanghai by car).

I stayed in World Expo Hotel over there and they had a sauna there called Maya (Like the ancients). And when I went to the reception to ask, the reception offered FS B2B for 798, didn't actually try them out, but feel like I might this time?

Did anyone actually stayed around there and checked out scene?

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Hello,

I am looking for some good massage parlors (which provides extra services) around the Pudong area. If you know any, please let me know.

This afternoon was the third time I visited Sacrosa. All three times I had great times with the visits.

1. The place is very easy to get to by subway, so you can avoid taxi rip off. Around the block if you get off at Shangcheng Road station of Line 9.

2. All three times I had great GFE. Today I chose 516, from Harbin. Look wise maybe 6-7, She was a real MILF though. And service was outstanding, attentive and unhurried. Recommended.

3. I had a busy morning and afternoon. I did not have time for lunch. I left work early and go monger. I was a little hungry. I was offered snacks, gratis. Some of the choices were dumplings or noodles. I had a hearty bowl of noodles with pork chop.

4. The place was in a high rent commercial area and the decor and fixings were decent and clean.

I had the great GFE, and the snack, all for 600 rmb. Must be one of the top value play in Shanghai. Granted the girls are not as pretty as those in Bodi or Kang Ding.

There two things I do not like:

[URL]1.Com[/URL]Mon. Shower area before you can change in the sauna uniform and a long naked walk with a bunch of guys.

2. I had GFE and a great time, I wanted to tip the girls, but disallowed. The last time, I went back to the locker to get some money and asked if I could have the girl came out so I can give her the extra money that she well deserved. The manager refused. Today I took the money in my hand (I had to do the naked walk), but was told I could not bring cash (or any valuables) into the play area. I was directed back to the locker to leave te money there. I really felt bad that I could not show my appreciation after such a great session. The girls were really short-changed by such practice.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1901143]
2. I had GFE and a great time, I wanted to tip the girls, but disallowed. The last time, I went back to the locker to get some money and asked if I could have the girl came out so I can give her the extra money that she well deserved. The manager refused. Today I took the money in my hand (I had to do the naked walk), but was told I could not bring cash (or any valuables) into the play area. I was directed back to the locker to leave te money there. I really felt bad that I could not show my appreciation after such a great session. The girls were really short-changed by such practice.[/QUOTE]Why the fuq can't people respect the culture of the country they are residing in? It is a Chinese business for pete's sakes, if it was specially accommodating foreigners that'd be one thing and you could go right ahead and corrupt it for the rest of it like so many before (Angeles City, Philippines + way too many Americans, for example? They say 'tip tip' but don't actually understand the concept has any connection to service).

Not trying to start an argument so I'm probably not going to write more but. Gosh. There is no such thing as a "well deserved x" when x don't exist. That's all.

It's very heartening to know Sacrosa is still around, haven't been since 2009 and doubted it could possibly exist in this day and age still. In that regard, thanks for helping me have high hopes I can go back to SH for a nice visit one day!

[QUOTE=MongerBro;1900765]Hello,

I am looking for some good massage parlors (which provides extra services) around the Pudong area. If you know any, please let me know.[/QUOTE]Yes, we all know. All written here. That is why and how we know.

Parasitius, I guess you must have a firm position your boss should never give you a raise or a year end bonus for a job well done. Perhaps those offers had never been extended to you. If they did, you definitely should refuse firmly . Those are so corrupting. And you don't deserve anything anyway. But, strangely and contradictory, you mentioned in your rant a connection between service and gratuity.

And FYI, I do not tip automatically, but if I felt that the girl had done a good job, I would like to show that I noticed and appreciated it. You can do whatever you want. I do not call your attitude that of a cheap skate, so do not label a simple token of appreciation as corruption of a culture.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1901249]Parasitius, I guess you must have a firm position your boss should never give you a raise or a year end bonus for a job well done. Perhaps those offers had never been extended to you. If they did, you definitely should refuse firmly . Those are so corrupting. And you don't deserve anything anyway. But, strangely and contradictory, you mentioned in your rant a connection between service and gratuity.

And FYI, I do not tip automatically, but if I felt that the girl had done a good job, I would like to show that I noticed and appreciated it. You can do whatever you want. I do not call your attitude that of a cheap skate, so do not label a simple token of appreciation as corruption of a culture.[/QUOTE]Uh, actually, I'm with Parasitius on this one. It doesn't matter what you think. You're in China. Try to leave a 20 on the table of most mom and pop noodle shops, and watch them chase you down the street to give it back.

Tips are widely, not accepted in China, and if the shop people say you shouldn't give them tips, then don't give them tips.

It's not your right to say what is and isn't acceptable in a country that isn't yours.

They refused, so you should respect the way they do business, and leave it at that.

Vote with your money and feet and go back if it's so special to you.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1901249]Parasitius, I guess you must have a firm position your boss should never give you a raise or a year end bonus for a job well done. Perhaps those offers had never been extended to you. If they did, you definitely should refuse firmly . Those are so corrupting. And you don't deserve anything anyway. But, strangely and contradictory, you mentioned in your rant a connection between service and gratuity.

And FYI, I do not tip automatically, but if I felt that the girl had done a good job, I would like to show that I noticed and appreciated it. You can do whatever you want. I do not call your attitude that of a cheap skate, so do not label a simple token of appreciation as corruption of a culture.[/QUOTE]If you both have wechat you can transfer money through Wechat. Not rocket science.

Just because something is the accepted way to do things in a locale does not mean that it is always the right thing to do. And choosing to not observe it is not a ghastly violation of national sovereignty or condemnation of the way of those people. To take the argument to a more extreme level, do you ignore all the things around the world that are grievous violation of human right or women's right, and say " Well. That is the local's way, so that is quite alright"? I hope you are as culturally understanding when you are sitting in the kettle of boiling water, while the local cannibals salt it to taste.

If a sauna has a strict no-tip policy, there's good reason for it. Makes no sense to violate the policy.

I did not know there was a no tipping policy at Sacrosa. The first time, I just thought that the manager did not want a girl to come out from the play area to the locker area, where the guys were undressing to do the naked walk. (I was not sure the manager understood my not ready for prime time Mandarin anyway) The second time, when the staff noticed I had some money in my hand, they told me not to bring cash or other valuables into the play area. I was not entirely certain that meant a strict no tipping policy, and I was not fighting it if there was one. I just said I do not like such policy. That takes away free choice, and is totally against a libertarian bent.

You do realize this is China, right? And you are complaining about lack of free choice and libertarian?

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1901647]I did not know there was a no tipping policy at Sacrosa. The first time, I just thought that the manager did not want a girl to come out from the play area to the locker area, where the guys were undressing to do the naked walk. (I was not sure the manager understood my not ready for prime time Mandarin anyway) The second time, when the staff noticed I had some money in my hand, they told me not to bring cash or other valuables into the play area. I was not entirely certain that meant a strict no tipping policy, and I was not fighting it if there was one. I just said I do not like such policy. That takes away free choice, and is totally against a libertarian bent.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1901590]Just because something is the accepted way to do things in a locale does not mean that it is always the right thing to do. And choosing to not observe it is not a ghastly violation of national sovereignty or condemnation of the way of those people. To take the argument to a more extreme level, do you ignore all the things around the world that are grievous violation of human right or women's right, and say " Well. That is the local's way, so that is quite alright"? I hope you are as culturally understanding when you are sitting in the kettle of boiling water, while the local cannibals salt it to taste.[/QUOTE]Dude,

You're banging hookers in a foreign country, not saving the rain forest. Follow what the people who work there say, and don't make a fucking fuss.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1901647]I did not know there was a no tipping policy at Sacrosa. The first time, I just thought that the manager did not want a girl to come out from the play area to the locker area, where the guys were undressing to do the naked walk. (I was not sure the manager understood my not ready for prime time Mandarin anyway) The second time, when the staff noticed I had some money in my hand, they told me not to bring cash or other valuables into the play area. I was not entirely certain that meant a strict no tipping policy, and I was not fighting it if there was one. I just said I do not like such policy. That takes away free choice, and is totally against a libertarian bent.[/QUOTE]Sauna, understandably, does not want to encourage expectation of tipping among girls. Girls will soon start to pressure clients to tip, causing dissatisfaction among clients and ultimately undermining business model. Girls already earn perhaps 20 x their regular (non-whoring) salary.

No tipping consensus also exists in many Western service industries. Not sure anyone in your hometown would appreciate you tipping bus driver or TSA security guard. If you tell boss the girl was awesome and call to reserve her services again, you've done much more for her. It's not just about your liberty to tip but about a business' or organization's liberty to operate as it chooses in order to please the greatest number of customers and maximize revenue.

While what you said was very reasonable, the principle you proposed could mean no one in any company should get a raise or bonus because his work is good, because everyone else would be expecting or demanding it. That is the downside of collective bargaining. An often cited example is the teachers union in the US: there will be equality of outcome, I. E. Everyone get paid the same, no matter what one put in. There is no incentive to do anything extra. The good teacher get paid the same as the bad ones. Substitute sauna girls. There is no universally and equally applicable situations. I accept a no tipping policy in some saunas, but that is not saying I think it is the correct policy, or will result in more customer satisfaction.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1902519]While what you said was very reasonable, the principle you proposed could mean no one in any company should get a raise or bonus because his work is good, because everyone else would be expecting or demanding it. That is the downside of collective bargaining. An often cited example is the teachers union in the US: there will be equality of outcome, I. E. Everyone get paid the same, no matter what one put in. There is no incentive to do anything extra. The good teacher get paid the same as the bad ones. Substitute sauna girls. There is no universally and equally applicable situations. I accept a no tipping policy in some saunas, but that is not saying I think it is the correct policy, or will result in more customer satisfaction.[/QUOTE]The real issue is how to determine the level of service deserving a tip. Very much individually set.

What's the extra in a soap massage or sauna? A standard starfish service so thst the girl playing just a bit more with the toungue and not only with lips in a BJ is deliverying a super service?

Or is it anal in a place where it is known not to be part of the service menu?

What's the extra?

China is mainly no tip. Let it be it.

Japan, don't even dare to tip the lady porter in the hotel, she might stare at you not understanding.

Let it be it.

Good service should pay back repeated and more business.

Just as bad service (does anyone refund your money if you are not happy? No as it might be your standard that is wrong) should be rewarded with word of mouth bad reviews or complains at the management.

Why insisting on a tip? For your own peace of mind, cleaning your souls as a monger?

What is good service? To paraphrase ex-US Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart: you know it when you receive it.

Why I like to give a little more to providers who gave me a good time: their work is hard ans dangerous, their career short, they can always use the extra money. And I had a good time, which does not happen every time. Sometimes you are just a john, and they are just going through the motion.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1902577]What is good service? To paraphrase ex-US Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart: you know it when you receive it.

Why I like to give a little more to providers who gave me a good time: their work is hard ans dangerous, their career short, they can always use the extra money. And I had a good time, which does not happen every time. Sometimes you are just a john, and they are just going through the motion.[/QUOTE]Just as people get (rightly) upset when foreigners visit the USA And do not follow local custom to tip in restaurants (because they are following their own custom), we should likewise not impose our customs on other cultures. When in Rome. When you try to tip in non-tipping cultures, it actually causes significant social anxiety and embarrassment for the recipient, just as we feel when we don't know how much is appropriate to tip in places where tipping is customary.

Not to worry-- you can add many girls on WeChat in China and they will have no problem asking you constantly to send them "hongbao" for no reason at all.

Checked out a new sauna posted to shhhy. Was told by one of the agents that it's just opened. Called Hao Hua (I think), it's located near the scooter repair shops on Xinshi Rd and adjacent to Ling Feng Apartments. Approx 20 min from Renmin Guangchang area. I'm pretty sure multiple agents posted about this one, as two gave me this same intersection. Interestingly, they had different specials. Not sure about English, everything was in Chinese.

Facilities definitely feel new, but it's your typical labyrinth layout and a lineup room with lights and mirrors everywhere. You have tall booths to sit in while you select a girl, which provide a modicum of privacy. Girl selection is about 20-30 at any given time, ranging in looks from 5-8. I did not really see any that were super stunners, maybe one or two 9. Of course, many girls were busy already when I arrived at 8:30 pm.

I selected a girl that just started there from Guangdong who was at the M level (goes M 998, Q 1298, X 1598, and S 2298), she was very tiny, with a GND look. Cute to me, and had the small spinner body I like-- very small boobs though, A-minus, but perky nips.

Service was good, as I am able to speak some Chinese and able to warm her up with jokes and conversation. She allowed DATY and O'd, which made the rest of the session a bit more fun. No complaints, other than selection was a bit sparse for my taste.

[URL]http://www.shhhy.xyz/thread-222071-1-1.html[/URL]

Pretty much everyone who commented earlier set an impression that most saunas in China have a no tipping policy, I would say Sacrosa was the only one I went to that may have that. Every place else I'd been to ( I only do saunas, and I go 2 or 3 times a week for more than 18 months now, so I think I have a large sample size) they allow tipping, and the girls I gave the extra money to appreciated the gesture. They were not confused or anxious. I do not tip automatically and was never pushed. The managements and the girls understood that as a token of appreciation. They did not act as if I was doing anything foreign, corrupting or disruptive.

Was in Shanghai the past week. Arriving Friday, leaving the following Friday with an opportunity to play the first weekend & Thursday night. First Friday, started at Judy's around 11 PM, caught the end of the Euro match & surveyed the field. Saw little that interested me. Mostly older girls, along with a contingent of black girls from Kenya. Although the band was lively, nothing of interest for takeout- so left for Manhatten around 12. The place was mobbed. Lots of girls (more variety, including younger crowd) - but also lots of guys. Found a couple that were of interest, settled on a slim girl from Vietnam about 22, A cup, but curves in the right place & a great smile. 1000 RMB for Short time, left about 2. Great session at my hotel, completed about 4. Overall, would repeat.

Saturday spent sightseeing, dinner around 10, got to Manhatten around 12. Crowded. But did not see anything, so went to Judy's. One of the black girls came over & convinced me to give her a try- said till morning for 1800 - thought I'd give her try. Big mistake. Although she looked good in Judy's lighting, not tight at all. Not my type. And not at all engaged. After 15 minutes. Said she was tired. We agreed she should leave. 800 RMB including taxi. Glad she left.

Finished up work around 9 PM on Thursday. Leaving Friday. So decided to see how Manhatten was. It was a monger's delight. Arrived around 11.3 X as many girls as guys. And all of them looking for a strike. Settled on a great looking Vietnamese. First time in Shanghai (or so she says) for 1,500 for all night. She had see cups, great ass & was a fantastic kisser. Left around 12:30. Twice before sleep. Once at 7:30 the next morning. Fantastic time. Strongly recommend Thursday night if you can arrange it.

Will

[QUOTE=Dirk67;1902623]Checked out a new sauna posted to shhhy. Was told by one of the agents that it's just opened. Called Hao Hua (I think), it's located near the scooter repair shops on Xinshi Rd and adjacent to Ling Feng Apartments. Approx 20 min from Renmin Guangchang area. I'm pretty sure multiple agents posted about this one, as two gave me this same intersection. Interestingly, they had different specials. Not sure about English, everything was in Chinese.

Facilities definitely feel new, but it's your typical labyrinth layout and a lineup room with lights and mirrors everywhere. You have tall booths to sit in while you select a girl, which provide a modicum of privacy. Girl selection is about 20-30 at any given time, ranging in looks from 5-8. I did not really see any that were super stunners, maybe one or two 9. Of course, many girls were busy already when I arrived at 8:30 pm.

I selected a girl that just started there from Guangdong who was at the M level (goes M 998, Q 1298, X 1598, and S 2298), she was very tiny, with a GND look. Cute to me, and had the small spinner body I like-- very small boobs though, A-minus, but perky nips.

Service was good, as I am able to speak some Chinese and able to warm her up with jokes and conversation. She allowed DATY and O'd, which made the rest of the session a bit more fun. No complaints, other than selection was a bit sparse for my taste.

[URL]http://www.shhhy.xyz/thread-222071-1-1.html[/URL][/QUOTE]The price list shown in the link doesn't match your description. Am I wrong?

The ad states:

Daily promo 698 rmb, A 898，Q 1198，M 1498，T 1798.

Hey,

Uncle Ira is going to hit Manhattan on Thursday night and is happy to hoist a cold one with brothers there. PM me if you want to hang out.

I have not pulled from Manhattan in several years and I fee rusty. In Shanghai I generally play with freebies with my wife, but she is out of town and I feel like Vietnamese. I chatted with one on WeChat that I know works in Manhattan / Judy's but her entire Wechat life is complaining of loneliness, misery, hardship and such. Not indicative of a potentially fun and light night. So I think I better shop brick-and-mortar rather than online.

I like flying with a wingman in Pattaya, as I tend to get blinded by horniness and do not make the best choices. So I want a bro who has my back and will help prevent me from making a less than great deal.

Ira.

There are 2 possibilities in the price discrepancy.

1. You may be getting the foreigner's specials if the higher prices were given when you showed your face there.

2. Deceptive advertising. I ran into those a fair bit in the saunas advertising in those Chinese mongering sites. They advertised great prices, or "same price for every girl". When I contacted them (in translated Chinese) on qq before I went there, I was quoted something higher. When I asked why, they said the specials or promos were over. "All girls at the same price" often meant only one or two: the daily specials. They were almost never available when you got there: they claimed the daily specials were with some other clients. I often wondered if there was actually even one girl at the daily special price.

Whenever I was told what was in the ads was not what was available, I passed on those places.

This is my first time to Shanghai, and I have a 17 HR layover.

Can anyone suggest a nice Spa / Sauna accessible to the Airport (doesn't have to be close, but perhaps along the subway line? Where I can rest, get some food, and a massage? (massage extras not required, but would be nice).

In Guangzhou I usually frequent "Shui Hui" where you can rest in a very nice lounge with TV, movies, and food, use shower, hotub, steam, and get massage for around 250 RMB for as long as you like. Is there anything similar in Shanghai you can recommend?

Any other activities you can suggest for my layover, is appreciated. Thank you!

I'm in contact with a sauna currently running a special - 798 for any girl. They normally have 3 levels, starting at 1080.

Checked them out for the first time yesterday. Decent enough experience. Clearly fairly new, not the greatest selection. But good enough. The room we had was quite large and very little noise from outside. One really stupid thing they did is put a mirror on one wall of wet area (no, that's not the stupid part) that only goes far enough down to see part of the girl when she's on you, not even enough to see where contact is being made.

Will I go back, possibly while they are running the special, doubtful once it's over. But the place itself is decent enough.

It's right on yan'an lu, not too far from hongmeilu.

I'll give contact info by pm to contributing members only. Tough to beat the special.

Taz.

[QUOTE=Lost99;1904357]This is my first time to Shanghai, and I have a 17 HR layover.

Can anyone suggest a nice Spa / Sauna accessible to the Airport (doesn't have to be close, but perhaps along the subway line? Where I can rest, get some food, and a massage? (massage extras not required, but would be nice).

In Guangzhou I usually frequent "Shui Hui" where you can rest in a very nice lounge with TV, movies, and food, use shower, hotub, steam, and get massage for around 250 RMB for as long as you like. Is there anything similar in Shanghai you can recommend?

Any other activities you can suggest for my layover, is appreciated. Thank you![/QUOTE]Check the sauna report of #10383 in the shanghai forum. The place is reported close to metro line 9 ShangCheng station.

I think for 17 hours layover is more than doable.

Rather surprised to get cockblocked by an employee at Marriott Hongqiao. Maybe the girl had a history?

[QUOTE=SexInCity;1904489]Check the sauna report of #10383 in the shanghai forum. The place is reported close to metro line 9 ShangCheng station.

I think for 17 hours layover is more than doable.[/QUOTE]He was asking for a day spa with massage. I do not think Sacrosa is what he is looking for, as massage is not the main focus. I don't think you can just go in for a massage.

Lost 99: I think you are better off asking this question in Tripadvisor.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1882212]I've been debating with myself whether or not to post this, but decided I should based on some of the recent discussions. Before I start, I want to clarify my position: I believe every Shanghai mongerer benefits from the service Steven and his site provides!

However, some issues have come to my attention recently, and it may be that I was just naive, but I thought it worthy of mentioning. First, all the pictures are not in fact real. You have to read through the comments to verify this if you want to. What I've learned is that if an individual page does not say "verified" pictures, they are probably not actually her. Now, from reading comments, it seems that sng does verify that they are reflective of the person (hight, shape, etc) - but not the person. I would also add that there is question as to how often they are verified. For sure I think it's unrealistic to expect monthly checks, but in one case I experienced, she looked so different from her pictures that I almost had to hold the picture next to her to see it was in fact the same girl (no need to go into additional details as she has been removed).

The other detail recently identified is that no negative reviews are permitted at all. I kinda realized this sometime time ago, but it became clearer recently. Negative comments must go through the complaint form.
[/QUOTE]Seems also that customer private information can be disclosed by SNG if they aren't happy with you...

I just saw Steven posted some Singaporean's customer hotel name, hotel room number and mobile phone on his page (independant girls page comments section at bottom).

Even if the customer apparently acted like a dumbass wasting the girl's time to try negotiate a discount in a stupid plot, this is totally unacceptable to post his private info on a public internet page.

God knows what will one day happen to those who gave SNG their mobile number, real life name and room number / private address. Glad I never did.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1905002]Seems also that customer private information can be disclosed by SNG if they aren't happy with you...

I just saw Steven posted some Singaporean's customer hotel name, hotel room number and mobile phone on his page (independant girls page comments section at bottom).

Even if the customer apparently acted like a dumbass wasting the girl's time to try negotiate a discount in a stupid plot, this is totally unacceptable to post his private info on a public internet page.

God knows what will one day happen to those who gave SNG their mobile number, real life name and room number / private address. Glad I never did.[/QUOTE]Well Donald Trump also gave out Lindsey Graham's personal phone number publicly, and he might become the USA's next president, so. [URL]http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-lindsey-graham-cell-phone/[/URL].

In all seriousness. I actually respect Steven's work in trying to protect girls from a $$holes. Maybe giving out personal phone numbers isn't that classy (he should probably remove that) but actually I like Steven's heart in this.

And in the bigger picture- I really appreciate Steven's work overall and hope he continues to do it for a long time. On the internet, there are very few other websites that can help us. If people continue to criticize then we run the risk of ruining a good thing. It's like if you lived in a small town and if there was no good coffee, and there's only one coffee place. Maybe it's not perfect but you appreciate that it's there. As a for profit business he can run the site any way he wants. We can give suggestions for improvement. Suggestions are different than criticisms.

All the issues related to incall and freelancer girls- I imagine sometimes the girls themselves might be the ones doing the tricky things (bait and switch), in which Steven might not have control. At least he tries to make things as reliable as possible.

We all win when we share more reports and more information with each other. Sure Steven could improve some things, but in general it's a good and valuable service (and basically the only one), so I applaud him.

I feel like we all win when we can share reports and intel with each other. So I'll share a quick report. Over the last week or so I visited a couple saunas in the Wuzhong Road area. 45 Mansion and also the We Love Hotel. Both in the afternoon. These places were both pretty busy. We Love Hotel (9th floor) was crazy packed and people had to wait a long time to wait for rooms. Selection was pretty good for both places but prices were expensive. 1998 RMB for the "S" category. Chose a cute girl who was chatty and said she sees about 3-5 people per day and makes about 600 RMB a person. We Love Hotel had pretty nice facilities -- a huge lounge. Everything seemed quite new. Session was long, like 90 minutes. After a while I ran out of things to talk about and it got a little boring. Wasn't allowed to bring smartphone or anything (metal detector) so communication was also tougher. I'm a white guy who has lived in China for a few years but my Chinese is pretty mediocre. If you can afford it, We Love Hotel was a pretty good experience. The free food was above average too.

Any other recommendations for the best saunas nowadays? I'm looking for young and sexy, and good value, not crazy expensive. What are your favorite saunas these days?

I'm curious if some of the old places from before (Hongsong Road Hilton Hongqiao, Jiang Li) have re-opened or not?

Also curious about the quality at Bodi, is it still decent?

Any intel appreciated. The more we share with each other, the more we help each other.

[QUOTE=BlahMan333;1905067]I feel like we all win when we can share reports and intel with each other. So I'll share a quick report. Over the last week or so I visited a couple saunas in the Wuzhong Road area. 45 Mansion and also the We Love Hotel. Both in the afternoon. These places were both pretty busy. We Love Hotel (9th floor) was crazy packed and people had to wait a long time to wait for rooms. Selection was pretty good for both places but prices were expensive. 1998 RMB for the "S" category. Chose a cute girl who was chatty and said she sees about 3-5 people per day and makes about 600 RMB a person. We Love Hotel had pretty nice facilities -- a huge lounge. Everything seemed quite new. Session was long, like 90 minutes. After a while I ran out of things to talk about and it got a little boring. Wasn't allowed to bring smartphone or anything (metal detector) so communication was also tougher. I'm a white guy who has lived in China for a few years but my Chinese is pretty mediocre. If you can afford it, We Love Hotel was a pretty good experience. The free food was above average too.

Any other recommendations for the best saunas nowadays? I'm looking for young and sexy, and good value, not crazy expensive. What are your favorite saunas these days?

I'm curious if some of the old places from before (Hongsong Road Hilton Hongqiao, Jiang Li) have re-opened or not?

Also curious about the quality at Bodi, is it still decent?

Any intel appreciated. The more we share with each other, the more we help each other.[/QUOTE]Hong song is open. I can give contact info via pm. I prefer 45 mansion over we love (same owner) not sure who your contact is, but I have a very service oriented English speaking contact.

I also just reviewed a place not too far from there (yan'an west of hongmeilu) running a 798 special. Selection is not as good as any of the three above.

There's also a place near the Japanese mall in gubei. Good selection, but the facilities are not quite as nice.

My old favorite, Dong song is open, but I don't have current contact. There's a couple more in the area, but haven't been to them (seem to have good selections though based on wechat updates).

The one place that I'm guessing may have one of the better selections around and should be quite nice (haven't been there), but also pricy is the place in xujiahua where the old sng contact from kangding went.

Happy to share contacts by pm if interested.

Taz.

Took a walk last night in Jing An area and saw the Buddha place and a couple places around the corner on Shaanxia Lu are open. Did not partake but will soon and post report.

Have fun,

Doit.

Hi all,

I'm looking for some help and advice. I will be visiting Shanghai in 6 weeks for the first time. I am there for 4 nights with my business partner who also likes to indulge.

We are staying at Hilton Huashan Road. Are there restrictions bringing girls back to the hotel? Not really interested in parlors but have seen Judy's mentioned, Is this the place to go? Maybe also looking for independents for day time fun.

Any help would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Connor0368;1905820]Hi all,

I'm looking for some help and advice. I will be visiting Shanghai in 6 weeks for the first time. I am there for 4 nights with my business partner who also likes to indulge.

We are staying at Hilton Huashan Road. Are there restrictions bringing girls back to the hotel? Not really interested in parlors but have seen Judy's mentioned, Is this the place to go? Maybe also looking for independents for day time fun.

Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]HIlton is absolutely no problem getting a girl in our out of. I have done it dozens of times. (unless there is some sort of crackdown, they they want her ID). This is really not a problem. I have had a girl show her ID before and off you go. The only time it is an issue is if a girl has used her ID twice for 2 different guys. If this happens, the hilton will tell you. if you make them do it, they have to call the police. They don't want to call the police on their guests so they will tell you they can't let her in. no worries just dump her and go back to judy's for one that is not recycled.

I like Judy's. Many bro's like Manhatans. Start the rounds at 945-10 pm and visit both. Best pickings on quality is probably 10p-1 am. (realizing that the girls are getting picked over as you wait and such). Best deals are had around 4 am and not Friday or Saturday night. I never minded paying the premium for quality girls and Friday or Saturday night when I didn't have to work the next day.

Each to his own.

SNG is also a good sight and the pictures are real to what you get. CAll and they deliver to the room, just Like dominos - LOL

Sam Can.

Update. I went during daylight and found that the Buddha place has changed names and now has the sign from Min Massage above the door. The buddha wall art has been replaced with a different piece of art. The stairs have been remodeled to give better visibility from the front counter. Service by a somewhat older and heavier girl was OK, not great. Shower, meager massage, slurpy water, cat bath with fake tongue, flip, BJ and HY ending. Damage 268.

Have fun all.

[QUOTE=Doitunderwater;1905706]Took a walk last night in Jing An area and saw the Buddha place and a couple places around the corner on Shaanxia Lu are open. Did not partake but will soon and post report.

Have fun,

Doit.[/QUOTE]

I will be at the Radisson Blu for the week. Any problems with this hotel letting girls in? Best places for hobbying near this hotel?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Andorman;1907819]I will be at the Radisson Blu for the week. Any problems with this hotel letting girls in? Best places for hobbying near this hotel?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Which Radisson are you talking about?

Nanjing Road?

[QUOTE=Andorman;1907819]I will be at the Radisson Blu for the week. Any problems with this hotel letting girls in? Best places for hobbying near this hotel?

Thanks![/QUOTE]You either take a walk to Manhattan other Judys. 30 Minutes which is quite nice after a long flight. Then take a taxi back for around 20-25 RMB (not more).

In the hotel do not expect any problem.

The Nanjing Lu Radisson is GF but is just a pr*ck of a hotel. Tiny rooms. I stayed there once but never again. Much better options close by at similar rates. LE Royal Meridien slaughters it.

Hi,

I will be next week in Renaissance Shanghai Zhongshan Park Hotel. I am looking nearby sauna or massage places. Can you recommend something?

Cecilia was the first girl caught my eyes when I checked SNG out for the first time in 2015.

I travel a bit to China so I found SNG is quite useful though those independents from SNG are pricy comparing to sauna girls in SH.

After reading all those nice riviews on SNG about Cecilia, I decided to have a try of this Cambodian beauty.

Contact her via WhatsApp was quite easy, she replied quickly and seems really friendly and easy to text with. Her English is pretty good. She even sent me couple of her selfie for showing how she looks like in her daily life. We soon settled down an outcall evening meeting of 2 hrs in my hotel in Pudong area. Unlike other hotels, this 5-star hotel doesn't require keycard for elevator, which is good for me.

She arrived on time. Looks exactly the same as her pictures on SNG, maybe she is more attractive in her pictures with better make up and lighting arrangement. She is petite, with very fit shape and a notable round butt which most Chinese girls will be envious for.

About 10 minutes chit chat, we started with kiss and coddling on the couch. Her DFK was not that passionate as my expectation and just little tone kiss was offered.

Soon, We undressed each other and moved in the bed.

She has nice silicon be+ cup or maybe see cup, firm and round butt, beautiful thighs, silky skins as other asian girls. Her pussy is nicely shaved. All in all, those pictures on SNG are real and accurate.

To my surprise, she didn't recommend BBBJ because she said was having some teeth infection in those days. I accepted it. Hope it was not her excuse for not doing BBBJ.

So rubber on, she gave a nice BJ with playing of balls.

Proceed with mission and doggy, some fake moan I believe is quite normal.

Finished first load in doggy when I was fucking her from behind with nice butt view.

She is not much talkative and me neither. So the break time was quite boring, she watched TV with me in the bed and some chit chat mostly she just answered my curious questions about her life in SH.

Second round started, I asked her to do cowgirl. After few minutes she asked for changing because she was tired after gym workout in the afternoon. We switched to doggy and finished in mis.

The 2 hrs was not too bad at all however I expected more GFE feeling. Maybe it was just a bad day for her.

Face: 8/10.

Body: 8/10.

Attitude: 6/10.

Sex:7/10.

Damage:2000 RMB + taxi (2015 rate).

WIR:can be a good plan B

Went to Bodi this afternoon (got there a little after 4 pm), this was my 2nd visit, 1st was more than a year ago. Not sure on the pricing structure, seems to be 900 - 1380, but I selected a 6 xx and was charged 980.

Pros:

Clean; nice rooms; they use a large heavy towel to cover the bed.

Cons:

I think there are better options based on price and selection (I certainly didn't see anything I'd spend 1400 on).

The biggest downside, for me at least, is doesn't appear that they have any commission paid salespeople. Which means no matter how many times you go there, you're either rolling the dice, or if you find one you like, stuck without variety. In my experience, it doesn't take more than two visits to build a relationship with your salesperson to have them guide you in the right direction. But I saw no signs whatsoever that bodi has anyone like that.

Taz.

Jimmy,

Go over to Judy's, have a beer, relax, check out the scene and hunt the one you like enough choices there. You can also go to Manhattan's. I have found beauties at both places. Take your time, before you decide.

AG.

[QUOTE=Jimmy420;1890893]Gentlemen,

I'm going to Shanghai on a business trip on June 28. This will be my first visit to China so I don't know much about the mongering scene there. What are some of the popular mongering spots I can visit during my stay there?

I am interested in escorts as well. If you know any girls or a reliable escort service please do let me know.[/QUOTE]

Convenient location close to city center. Only 7 in lineup at that moment. Wasn't attracted to higher cost options, such as car model, so took cheapest category (700) 25 year old. Being short, small breasted might have accounted for lower price. Also she was a mom. Anyway, I thought she was attractive and enthusiastic performer. No complaints.

Selected Maria from the SNG website based upon the pictures, description and the selection guide filter results. The SNG website is very useful, and have booked several girls from the site with consistent results. The reviews / comments posted on the girls webpages are basically the positive reports. If you have somewhat negative comments or issues you are supposed to use the complaint form. So as a result you are not going to see the more balanced comments / reports on their webpages, for example #10423 "Cecelia from SNG" posted below. So just something to keep in mind.

I booked a 2 hour session for mid July. First she is very professional and easy to communicate with. She came on time and was dressed very elegantly. She is tall and pretty and the pictures are accurate, so easy to spot her in the lobby. Beautiful lips. Great figure. The website age is listed as 28, but this is very optimistic in my opinion. I know it is tough to judge Asians in general, but if you look more closely she is at least very late thirties if not actually in her 40's. This was not an issue for me as I wanted a MILF experience anyway. So again just something to be aware of, just don't expect at late 20's or early 30's look or hard body. Her soft body, look is very nice for her age. She does not have a tattoo on her lower stomach that was mentioned in other reviews or shows slightly on her website pictures. So that must have been one of those temporary tattoos, as she currently has none. Breasts are very nice and good to suck on.

Over all my experience was very similar to the report by Kib123. She loves to kiss and is very good at it. Easy to laugh, easy to talk too. She gets very wet if you pay proper attention to her. She gets very vocal. Not sure how much of that was for my benefit only, but that added to the experience anyway.

Her BBBJ is average at best. Even though the SNG selection guide indicates that she does CIM. This is not something that she "likes so much" or enjoys. This was perhaps the biggest disappointment as don't I really don't want to push or require the girls to do things I like but they don't like or want to do it. But maybe others don't mind this. This is not a YMMV item, I think her SNG selection filter is optimistic in this regard. I think also plays into the somewhat average / un-enthusiastic BBBJ. Did not try other items like COF that are listed as OK on the filter, so not sure if some of these items are really OK or not. Gives a good massage.

Overall I had a nice time. It was well rounded. She is pretty, sexy, vocal during sex, easy to talk to, offers a good massage and has good English. If you want / value an enthusiastic BBBJ or CIM I would look elsewhere. If you are after a younger provider / hard body I would also look elsewhere. But if you are after a MILF girlfriend experience she is a good choice. Her rates are a little higher than others, but she would be a good choice for a dinner date style in my opinion.

I'll be transiting in SH for 17 hours, and don't have much time to explore the various Saunas in town.

I'm looking for an extremely busty (DD or more, preferably F cup) sauna gal to relax with during my stopover. It wasnt hard to find such gals in DG back in the day, but those days are over, and I'm a newbie in SH.

If anybody knows a particular Sauna, or can suggest one where I can perhaps locate such a lady, please PM me. Thanks.

[QUOTE=SF101;1911369]Selected Maria from the SNG website based upon the pictures, description and the selection guide filter results. The SNG website is very useful, and have booked several girls from the site with consistent results. The reviews / comments posted on the girls webpages are basically the positive reports. If you have somewhat negative comments or issues you are supposed to use the complaint form. So as a result you are not going to see the more balanced comments / reports on their webpages, for example #10423 "Cecelia from SNG" posted below. So just something to keep in mind.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I occasionally enjoy a few of the SNG escorts but customers should be aware that reviews on SNG site are somewhat rigged. Steve generally won't post negatives, even when accurate. And SNG sometimes allows girls to post inaccurate photos and ages. Having said that, it's still a good service.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1912868]Yeah, I occasionally enjoy a few of the SNG escorts but customers should be aware that reviews on SNG site are somewhat rigged. Steve generally won't post negatives, even when accurate. And SNG sometimes allows girls to post inaccurate photos and ages. Having said that, it's still a good service.[/QUOTE]I would not call it rigged. Steven basically posts the positive comments / reviews and wants to resolve the negative comments / reviews in private. So as long as folks understand that, it really is fine. It is just not an open review site. I have also found the pictures to generally be accurate (maybe a little P.S). So you basically know what you are getting. So overall SNG is a big help.

It is also not Steven's job to police the girls' service survey that they fill out for the selection guide. I am sure the girls want as many customers as possible and don't want to lose any. So as a result perhaps some girls expand their list accordingly, even if they don't provide or don't want to provide such an item.

Relative to Maria, CIM is not something she wants to or likes to provide. If you insist on it, force it I don't know, or perhaps if you threaten to take your business elsewhere. That is not my style, but I would have certainly liked to have been able to make an informed decision in the first place. I am not sure in general how much the girls adjust the age on their webpages. For Maria, she is certainly 40+. Clients all look for different things, but again I guess there is a big incentive for the girls to adjust things to catch as many as possible, rather than being more accurate / straight forward.

Went to Bodi last Friday around 6 pm. Selection was not impressive: about 25/30 girls in the room (no fish-bowl as already said), mainly in the 6-7 range, with a couple of 7/8's. I chose one of the few making eye contact: a 23 yo from Hunan, average size and cute face. The performance in the room however was pretty average: mechanical, looking at her phone the whole time and asking for tips (hongbaos via wechat). Overall not a bad experience but not worth the 980 RMB. There are better options in town.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1905450]Hong song is open. I can give contact info via pm. I prefer 45 mansion over we love (same owner) not sure who your contact is, but I have a very service oriented English speaking contact.

I also just reviewed a place not too far from there (yan'an west of hongmeilu) running a 798 special. Selection is not as good as any of the three above.

There's also a place near the Japanese mall in gubei. Good selection, but the facilities are not quite as nice.

My old favorite, Dong song is open, but I don't have current contact. There's a couple more in the area, but haven't been to them (seem to have good selections though based on wechat updates).

The one place that I'm guessing may have one of the better selections around and should be quite nice (haven't been there), but also pricy is the place in xujiahua where the old sng contact from kangding went.

Happy to share contacts by pm if interested.

Taz.[/QUOTE]I have been to Hong song several times in 2014, but afterwards it remain closed and now is re-opened, but as all places in Shanghai, the price now in Hongsong is almost the double than in 2014,the price level in Shanghai it is now even closed to Japan and Switzerland and keep rising without stop. So crazy.

I got 2 picture of a Russian girl worked in Hong song, it looked a very pretty stunner.

But doubt about if these pictures are reliable. Afraid about fake or too much photoshop, etc. The price for this girl should be 1900+ RMB, doubt if it is worth.

As Hong song is one of the best Sauna place in Shanghai, would like to have a try when have time to Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Amspascha;1913454]I have been to Hong song several times in 2014, but afterwards it remain closed and now is re-opened, but as all places in Shanghai, the price now in Hongsong is almost the double than in 2014,the price level in Shanghai it is now even closed to Japan and Switzerland and keep rising without stop. So crazy.

I got 2 picture of a Russian girl worked in Hong song, it looked a very pretty stunner.

But doubt about if these pictures are reliable. Afraid about fake or too much photoshop, etc. The price for this girl should be 1900+ RMB, doubt if it is worth.

As Hong song is one of the best Sauna place in Shanghai, would like to have a try when have time to Shanghai.[/QUOTE]I met several of the western "picture stunners" already in Sauna clubs here around and none of them will fulfill your expectation, if you are looking for that.

Slim.

Big Eyes.

Clear Skin.

Small waste.

Long legs lady you saw on the pictures. Chinese guys are used to that, because they probably will never even on a Wechat posting find a selfie that has not passed the.

Meitu- App and optimized all that. Additional "slimmer" the nose and make the nose shadow more strong, but I doubt that this function is so useful for the Russian girls.

So the Chinese clients will "auto-correct" that and so finally come over with a reduce expectation, which the girls probably can fulfill. But because of that now the sauna.

Managers also will never be able to use lightly "pimped" pictures, because than the "auto-correction of the customers will also reduce the level. Or why they should believe.

This pictures are exactly the "one of a million" that has not been pimped. So from my view it would be a bad idea for a manager to try it out.

And in fact the majority of us Foreigners not deal much better with that. We ask for a "accurate" picture and many guys blame on the girls who use pictures with a lot of photoshop work on it. But on the other side the majority prefer to book exactly this girls finally.

For example Maria (the girl mentioned in the previews posts) used very accurate and realistic pictures. Some month ago she spend some thousands for a Chinese styled.

Shooting including the typical over-optimization by Photoshop. And in the result she double her customer with that. And it's not that she double her appointments but finally the guys send her away because of that. From my view the same guys who expect (and much more hope) that girls they meet will be same or more pretty than on their pictures will not use that to "balance" between the shown level of not Photoshop-ed and Photoshop-ed pictures. They pick out the more pretty ones (probably hoping that this will work one day.

So from my view worth tho think about the Chinese way of "auto-correction". This would probably reduce the frustration often. I sometimes wonder why guys not feel ashamed.

When they complain about the difference regarding to a picture instead of realizing, that they simply not checked the picture with a little bit more attention. Just followed the "dick-decision".

Except he is one of the guys who believe in the chance to meet an extraterrestrial stunner with 2. 5 meter, 45 kg, big round eyes like ET and boobs that would not be hold able on our planet.

From the postings here around this race must came over with many female family members who pretty often work in the Model category in the local sauna clubs. But seems they run away if a foreigner show up, face to face I never met any of them!

So my tip: train your eyes to be able to "re-optimize" the pictures and you will be able to avoid a lot of disappointments with the girls here around.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1915171]I met several of the western "picture stunners" already in Sauna clubs here around and none of them will fulfill your expectation, if you are looking for that.

Slim.

Big Eyes.

Clear Skin.

Small waste.

Long legs lady you saw on the pictures. Chinese guys are used to that, because they probably will never even on a Wechat posting find a selfie that has not passed the.

Meitu- App and optimized all that. Additional "slimmer" the nose and make the nose shadow more strong, but I doubt that this function is so useful for the Russian girls.

So the Chinese clients will "auto-correct" that and so finally come over with a reduce expectation, which the girls probably can fulfill. But because of that now the sauna.

Managers also will never be able to use lightly "pimped" pictures, because than the "auto-correction of the customers will also reduce the level. Or why they should believe.

This pictures are exactly the "one of a million" that has not been pimped. So from my view it would be a bad idea for a manager to try it out.

And in fact the majority of us Foreigners not deal much better with that. We ask for a "accurate" picture and many guys blame on the girls who use pictures with a lot of photoshop work on it. But on the other side the majority prefer to book exactly this girls finally.

For example Maria (the girl mentioned in the previews posts) used very accurate and realistic pictures. Some month ago she spend some thousands for a Chinese styled.

Shooting including the typical over-optimization by Photoshop. And in the result she double her customer with that. And it's not that she double her appointments but finally the guys send her away because of that. From my view the same guys who expect (and much more hope) that girls they meet will be same or more pretty than on their pictures will not use that to "balance" between the shown level of not Photoshop-ed and Photoshop-ed pictures. They pick out the more pretty ones (probably hoping that this will work one day.

So from my view worth tho think about the Chinese way of "auto-correction". This would probably reduce the frustration often. I sometimes wonder why guys not feel ashamed.

When they complain about the difference regarding to a picture instead of realizing, that they simply not checked the picture with a little bit more attention. Just followed the "dick-decision".

Except he is one of the guys who believe in the chance to meet an extraterrestrial stunner with 2. 5 meter, 45 kg, big round eyes like ET and boobs that would not be hold able on our planet.

From the postings here around this race must came over with many female family members who pretty often work in the Model category in the local sauna clubs. But seems they run away if a foreigner show up, face to face I never met any of them!

So my tip: train your eyes to be able to "re-optimize" the pictures and you will be able to avoid a lot of disappointments with the girls here around.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]Due to my limited language ability, I can not fully understand your post, but I believe I could got the purpose.

I also got be fooled several times by "picture scams" also "short meet carelessness"(because when the girl show to me very short time to make decision, and I thought I will use the photos I have seen which gives me good expectations to auto-correct the real things, but finally I will found the real thing I got is just much worse, don't know if this is your mean).

So for now, I think in Shanghai there are considerable rip-off or scams compare to Europe especially like in Germany for example, very high price and you got a lot of chance to get rubbish. I ask for these pictures is because Hongsong is may the best quality in sauna world in Shanghai, but from these 2 pictures especially unclear enough I really can not determine if they are true. Especially in this "raid era in China" by the central government, the price for now is too unreasonable and what they do is use "well-made" pictures to fool the guys without experience or stupid but have a lot money and ready to spent them all.

Long time since I left .

Luckily, I am Chinese. I am going to Sauna and enjoy Dongguan style sevice, haha!

And I know some girls provide anal sex which is my favorite.

Anyone want to john?

Hello. I just returned home today from a 10 day visit to Shanghai and was wondering about the Shanghai Nightlife Guide (SNG). Is this site still relevant? I know it is up and running but two things lead me to conclude the owner is not very engaged in the site. First, I sent several text messages to try and make an appointment via wechat and NO RESPONSE. Next, I noticed that OVER 50% of the ladies on SNG are NEVER AVAILABLE. When I say never available they weren't available for at least 21 days that I went to the site. IMHO this site serves old content and is not engaged with its customers.

On the more positive side of things, Judys and Manhattan are two great clubs with many ladies of all shapes, sizes, colors and ages.

Although I have officially abandon Shanghai Nightlife Guide any input on SNG would be appreciated.

It's been 20 months since my last visit. Changing work and a six month about with cancer got in the way.

Now I'm in SH for a few days and I'm wondering a few things. There was a sauna in Xiujiahui that used to be called "999" and a while back it was closed for 'renovation'. Does anyone know if it is still there and is it open? Same name or different? I know exactly where it is, so that's not too important.

Second question: I'm staying at the Pullman Sh South, by the South Station. Anyone know of any BBS in the vicinity? Sometimes just a cheap quickie is all that's required!

Well. It's good to be back. I may be hitting Manhattan's or Judy's later tonight if anyone wants to meet up. Unfortunately, I can no longer drink. Dr. 's orders. But he said I can fuck all I want!

Huck.

P.S. Answer here or you can PM me.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1915171]For example Maria (the girl mentioned in the previews posts) used very accurate and realistic pictures. Some month ago she spend some thousands for a Chinese styled.

Shooting including the typical over-optimization by Photoshop. And in the result she double her customer with that. And it's not that she double her appointments but finally the guys send her away because of that. From my view the same guys who expect (and much more hope) that girls they meet will be same or more pretty than on their pictures will not use that to "balance" between the shown level of not Photoshop-ed and Photoshop-ed pictures. They pick out the more pretty ones (probably hoping that this will work one day.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]I assume Maria's current photos on her webpage are the Chinese styled photo shoot you refer to, as they are different than her previous photos. I did not find them to be a big misrepresentation of the real person, of course these are more dolled up, professional etc. I find it surprising potential clients do send her away as she is pretty. I wonder in her case if it is not so much that clients see a big difference between the photos and the real person, but maybe they are expecting someone younger, close to 30 years old (the website says 28) and then someone 40+ shows up at the door. So maybe this is more of an difference in expectation of age rather than the photo are way off. The photos are clearly her, when you see her.

In my experience with Maria, I did not have an issue with her look vs the photos, or the more mature look, but I felt mislead / misrepresented by services she lists on your girl filter (like CIM) that she clearly does not want to or like to provide. This is not a good situation for either party. Who wants to be in a situation of having to make someone do something they are clearly uncomfortable with or don't want to do when there are others on the site that are OK with or enjoy providing the service?

For me this was her bait and switch, not her photos, and in my case I did not mind the extra years over the listed age.

OK, answering my own question, I found Carage's report from March saying 999 was still open under a new name, same location 999 TianYaoQiao Lu. If it's not, I'll know by dinner time.

Still wondering about local BBS' near Pullman Hotel Shanghai South. Anyone? Anyone?

Huck.

[QUOTE=Huckleberryfinn;1915779]It's been 20 months since my last visit. Changing work and a six month bout with cancer got in the way.

Now I'm in SH for a few days and I'm wondering a few things. There was a sauna in Xiujiahui that used to be called "999" and a while back it was closed for 'renovation'. Does anyone know if it is still there and is it open? Same name or different? I know exactly where it is, so that's not too important.

Second question: I'm staying at the Pullman Sh South, by the South Station. Anyone know of any BBS in the vicinity? Sometimes just a cheap quickie is all that's required!

Well. It's good to be back. I may be hitting Manhattan's or Judy's later tonight if anyone wants to meet up. Unfortunately, I can no longer drink. Dr. 's orders. But he said I can fuck all I want!

Huck.

P.S. Answer here or you can PM me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1915758]Hello. I just returned home today from a 10 day visit to Shanghai and was wondering about the Shanghai Nightlife Guide (SNG). Is this site still relevant? I know it is up and running but two things lead me to conclude the owner is not very engaged in the site. First, I sent several text messages to try and make an appointment via wechat and NO RESPONSE. Next, I noticed that OVER 50% of the ladies on SNG are NEVER AVAILABLE. When I say never available they weren't available for at least 21 days that I went to the site. IMHO this site serves old content and is not engaged with its customers.

On the more positive side of things, Judys and Manhattan are two great clubs with many ladies of all shapes, sizes, colors and ages.

Although I have officially abandon Shanghai Nightlife Guide any input on SNG would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Yes, sometimes, no one is manning the store at SNG. Some escorts do their own booking, which is generally preferable.

Well, I swung by there and it is not open. I don't know if that is permanent or just because it is Sunday and the staff is praying in church. You be the judge.

Huck.

[QUOTE=Huckleberryfinn;1916279]OK, answering my own question, I found Carage's report from March saying 999 was still open under a new name, same location 999 TianYaoQiao Lu. If it's not, I'll know by dinner time.

Still wondering about local BBS' near Pullman Hotel Shanghai South. Anyone? Anyone?

Huck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SF101;1911369]Selected Maria from the SNG website... The website age is listed as 28, but this is very optimistic in my opinion. I know it is tough to judge Asians in general, but if you look more closely she is at least very late thirties if not actually in her 40's... Over all my experience was very similar to the report by Kib123. She loves to kiss and is very good at it. Easy to laugh, easy to talk too... Her BBBJ is average at best. Even though the SNG selection guide indicates that she does CIM. This is not something that she "likes so much" or enjoys... Overall I had a nice time. It was well rounded. She is pretty, sexy, vocal during sex, easy to talk to, offers a good massage and has good English. If you want / value an enthusiastic BBBJ or CIM I would look elsewhere. If you are after a younger provider / hard body I would also look elsewhere. But if you are after a MILF girlfriend experience she is a good choice. Her rates are a little higher than others, but she would be a good choice for a dinner date style in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Good report. I had a similar experience with Maria. She also offers in-calls (her place). Anybody been at her place? Wondering what that experience is like. Safe? Clean? Etc.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;1917442]Good report. I had a similar experience with Maria. She also offers in-calls (her place). Anybody been at her place? Wondering what that experience is like. Safe? Clean? Etc.[/QUOTE]Incall is not her place. She uses a Chinese business hotel FWIW.

Hi,

Spending a week in Haiyan the end of this month. And can't find any reports. Any ideas where I can look? Unfortunately, English speaking. Will spend one evening in Shanghai (Pudong area) - so will play there, but interested if anything in Haiyan.

Thank you,

Will

I've known about this place for a while, but finally went there this afternoon. It's close to the main united family hospital (xianxia lu). It's small and old, here's my typical summation:

Cons:

Old, definitely in need of a remodel.

Hmm, seems like that's the only con I could find.

Pros:

No community shower required.

You can keep your mobile phone with you (I only know of one other place that still allows that).

While it's small and old, the selection is great.

Prices can't be beat - 798 to 1198.

I happened to choose a 19 year old from xinjiang (1198) that probably would have been 1800 to 2000 anywhere else. Tall as hell (legs that just didn't stop) and thin but not skinny. Only downside was the small a cups.

The only other possible downside is that I may have been the first foreigner to be there. Got looks from not only the girls, but the staff as well. But the service was fine, everyone treated me fine. And since you can keep your phone, the language barrier is easy to overcome.

As always, contact info to contributing members only.

Cheers,

Taz.

After reading all the reviews on SNG, I finally took the punt, and arranged to see Jenny for an hour outcall to my place.

I had high hope, but was disappointed. Here's why.

- She seems to be in a rush, without being pushy, she went with the flow, but I felt that she wanted to get it over and done with so that she could move on.

- BJ was OK, a bit on the light side. With 90 positive reviews under her belt, I really expected better. I really wouldn't call in GFE, it's more in between CSE (Clinical Sauna Experience) and GFE.

- She's probably in her late 20's or early 30's. Face was average (yes I am a picky bastard), but I have seen many prettier.

- Value for money? Absolutely not. For 1900 an hour plus taxi, she got up and left for shower right after first round with 30 minutes to go on the clock. Really?

On the upside.

- she does have a nice tight body with curvy in the right place yet petite.

- I know how I would spend my money wiser next time.

Moving on bros.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1880926]It wouldn't be worth posting if the 320 rmb got what you laid out for MP+. The place calls itself a spa. But during the special, I got 50 minutes (10 minutes for shower before and after) of good GFE good time, including FS, BBBJ, fingering, dining and sungling with a decent looking younger girl witha nice body. I was amazed at the great value. The special price is good till end of May. I plan at least 2 more trips. If my second experience is as good as my first, I'll provide the details of the place and contact information to contributing friendlies in PM.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I was looking for some information on MPs in Shanghai where I can get lovely girls massage and extra.

Please help me on this information thanks!

Sorry but there is no Jenny on SNG or on ***. A link may help.

[QUOTE=DanielMccc;1919070]After reading all the reviews on SNG, I finally took the punt, and arranged to see Jenny for an hour outcall to my place.

I had high hope, but was disappointed. Here's why.

- She seems to be in a rush, without being pushy, she went with the flow, but I felt that she wanted to get it over and done with so that she could move on.

- BJ was OK, a bit on the light side. With 90 positive reviews under her belt, I really expected better. I really wouldn't call in GFE, it's more in between CSE (Clinical Sauna Experience) and GFE.

- She's probably in her late 20's or early 30's. Face was average (yes I am a picky bastard), but I have seen many prettier.

- Value for money? Absolutely not. For 1900 an hour plus taxi, she got up and left for shower right after first round with 30 minutes to go on the clock. Really?

On the upside.

- she does have a nice tight body with curvy in the right place yet petite.

- I know how I would spend my money wiser next time.

Moving on bros.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Midwestern;1917442]Good report. I had a similar experience with Maria. She also offers in-calls (her place). Anybody been at her place? Wondering what that experience is like. Safe? Clean? Etc.[/QUOTE]In my case I had not planning on repeating because the BBBJ was pretty weak compared to others. The moans had some fake aspects to it. Overall I thought the service aspect was kind of so so. In the case of CIM I just did not think to ask up front as it is on her selection filter, but for me it is a bait and switch item just to attract more inquiries / bookings.

This is why I suggested that she is more of a girlfriend dinner date rather than someone you want over for a one or two our session.

Does Lisa still do massages in Shanghai? (Lisatantricmassage) or updated contact?

Tried calling buy the number is out of service now apparently.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1919417]Sorry but there is no Jenny on SNG or on ***. A link may help.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1919417]Sorry but there is no Jenny on SNG or on ***. A link may help.[/QUOTE]Sorry, should have been clearer, she went with the name HuJing on SNG.

I went to another sauna recently, it's right next to the General Consulate of Ukraine, sorted out my arrival and preference with the manager (a young girl). She was OK, I had better experience with other manager.

Price list.

T - 1700 (one Russian pretty blonde, and I think they offer the cheapest price in town for russian imports).

S - 1400.

M - 1200.

Q - 1000.

A - 680.

Got into the tiny changing room, got changed, proceed to the selection area. Was disappointed with the selection right there and then, lots of T-plate asking for 1700 (some not bad). But I wasn't prepare to spend more than 1500. After a long Mexican stand off, I took my pick, A36, as none of the others were my type.

So, A36 is around early 30's but well kept tight body, the full Bush gave that little extra kick during Nuru.

A36 took her time to please and tease the right spots. I had every inch of my body bathed by her tongue. BBBJ was better than average, lots of tea bagging. Cow girl Doggie were all very responsive and energetic.

Overall 6 out of 10. But hey, the damage was only 680 and I had a good time.

She was hard working, good game. Respect!

Lisa is in USA now. PM me for another contact.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1919989]Does Lisa still do massages in Shanghai? (Lisatantricmassage) or updated contact?

Tried calling buy the number is out of service now apparently.[/QUOTE]

I have had good results with an MP across from the Shanghai Stadium. Standing on Lingling lu, facing away from the stadium, about 100 meters to left of where Xietu starts, there is a small street leading to the apartment building complex. The MP in question is on the right hand side of that street. Up the stairs, and the mamasan takes you to a room and explains that for 298 RMB the girl gives a massage, then a tit massage, then a HJ. If you ask for BJ, that's an upcharge of 32 RMB to a total of 330 RMB. I never asked about FS.

Yeah, I know it isn't the best deal, but the advantage of this place WAS that the the anmo was pretty decent, and the getting-to-the-oral was good too. BBBJ, CIM, then a bit of a massage afterwards. Shower before and after. You know, sometimes you just want to lie back and be taken care of.

Not this time. The girl (who was actually pretty cute for this type of place) knew nothing about anmo and basically did light touches to run the clock. Instead of removing the massage pants, she tore the seams out (so the elastic stayed on the waist), covered up my dick with something that was thicker and even more unpleasant than a regular condom and proceeded to give a half assed BJ. She would not take off the cover, and kept trying to switch me over to a handjob. Very very low quality experience.

I complained to the mamasan who apologized profusely and then gave me the bill for the full amount. So sorry, so sorry. It's a shame because this place was reliable but now on the no go zone. Tomorrow will try ISG. I've been pretty satisfied with the service they provide.

If you search in Google under.

"Marcia massage Shanghai".

You find a perfect independent outcall for massage.

She is really remarkable.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1919989]Does Lisa still do massages in Shanghai? (Lisatantricmassage) or updated contact?

Tried calling buy the number is out of service now apparently.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Hujing can be temperamental. I really like her, and she's the only sng girl I currently use. But I know she just doesn't take to some guys (not a reflection on you. She's just plain quirky). But I usually just pay the massage and get quite a bit more.

[QUOTE=GregoryB;1920186]If you search in Google under.

"Marcia massage Shanghai".

You find a perfect independent outcall for massage.

She is really remarkable.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. You seem to enjoy her services, so, does she provide FS?

Just check her website: there she tells all about what she offers and what not.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=DanielMccc;1921477]Thanks for sharing. You seem to enjoy her services, so, does she provide FS?[/QUOTE]

I got lost last night in the Daipu Tunnel entrance area, and happened upon a dark street that had about 5 window parlors within 2 pr 3 blocks, with girls sitting inside in their tight short skirts. They were not old and were ok looking in the dim colored neon lights. So I said, what the hell, maybe that was a lucky break getting lost.

I went into the closest one after doubling back. That place had 5 or 6 girls there. I asked how much: it was 200 rmb for FS. I asked how long? The girl said "How long will it take you? 20 minutes?

We went in the back through a hidden door and there were several dark dirty cubicles where there barely enough room to stand beside those old twin beds. I undressed and she just pulled down her panties without lifting her dress. She put on a condom giving an one minute perfunctory BJ. No touching under the dress and she did not take anything else off.

I could hear another John going into the next cubicle. If he got a BJ, it must be shorter than what I got, because they pretty much started doing the dirties right away, with the bed squeaking loudly. I started my own end of things. Three minutes later, the guy next door was finished. The girl I was with immediately asked if I was done, that time was up and if I wanted to continue it would be an extra session. I was reminded of a Woody Allen quip: the food was so horrible and the portion was so small. The whole time could not be more than 10 minutes. I was not about to add another session with her.

I left that place half cocked. I said maybe this was not the norm. So I looked into the next place that had 7 or 8 girls there. The one who unlocked the door said 300 rmb. I said no thanks and left to find a taxi.

200 rmb for 10 minutes would translate to 1200 rmb an hour. You can have a very good time in a sauna with a decent girl for 1200 rmb.

One has to be very desperate to do those window parlors (are they the same as the now mostly closed BBS?) I have noted occasional posts in the forum, asking for info on BSS or window parlors. My experience is: even if you are starving, you probably should not eat river slime.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1920511]Yeah, Hujing can be temperamental. I really like her, and she's the only sng girl I currently use. But I know she just doesn't take to some guys (not a reflection on you. She's just plain quirky). But I usually just pay the massage and get quite a bit more.[/QUOTE]I saw her twice. Posted an extremely positive review on sng after the first session. But was so disappointed after the second session that I removed her wechat contact. No sense in trying to post a new review on sng, as we should all know by now that negative reviews are not posted.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1922888]

One has to be very desperate to do those window parlors (are they the same as the now mostly closed BBS?) I have noted occasional posts in the forum, asking for info on BSS or window parlors. My experience is: even if you are starving, you probably should not eat river slime.[/QUOTE]

Hey NOrth / South. Good report and I agree. You get what you pay for. I tried the BBS scene once. I went in and changed my mind and left never doing the deed. There was a string of them close to the Marriott Pudong East. I walked in a few but as dirty as the place was and the quality of the girls just didn't work for me. I did try a really dirty massage shop once with a 100 rmb admission (HJ and roaming included). It was a quick session with someone else's dirty tissues on the floor. I could only imagine...... I swore I wouldn't do it again. I referred to it as "dumpster diving" in a very old post.

Even Judy's / Manhattans with take out back to your hotel is a better value for the money (most times) than these options.

SAMCAN.

Back in Shanghai for a couple days, Just back from Bodi.

Picked 517, a tight little spinner with a lovely face, curves but slim. I should gone for the chubby that was making salacious faces and not a spinner avoiding eye contact, but, I like them skinny.

Nuru as mechanical as last time, had hoped that was a one off.

BBBJ for a few minutes, OK I guess, only put the head in and the rest was hand action. Well learned tongue on balls for the prescribed time I guess.

On with the rubber, at least she hadn't yet made the 'your western dick is too big can I just suck it' moves yet.

Lay back in missionary with her legs locked at an angle and got the head in then just froze up. Could barely move to fuck her, even just slowly. I gave up after a few minutes, frustrated. She gets phone out and writes it hurts. Fuck's sake. I write that she should breathe and try to relax and we will go slow. Same again. Pretty sure even if I had had a two inch dick it'd be the same. Flipped her over and slowly but surely got to halfway. Was contemplating just having her lick my balls and jerking it out when she started to moan that sorta uncomfortable this kinda hurts but maybe its not too bad way. And that couple with her tight tiny ass made me shoot my load.

Will not go back, as per my last report, a decent HJ is much more fun and less frustrating, as is an FL from a bar most of the time.

I was invited by a friend at the last minute to go to Shanghai and we are staying at the Portman Ritz Carlton. Checked out Manhattan and Judy's last night but don't want to take someone back to my room since my friend is next door. Can anyone recommend any saunas or massage places near here?

Also, tomorrow I will be on my own and want to move to a different area. I wouldn't mind being in a more "local" area with a 3 star hotel. Any recommendations?

Most Perfect Location and reasonable:

Sofitel Hyland.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Sugoi;1924874]I was invited by a friend at the last minute to go to Shanghai and we are staying at the Portman Ritz Carlton. Checked out Manhattan and Judy's last night but don't want to take someone back to my room since my friend is next door. Can anyone recommend any saunas or massage places near here?

Also, tomorrow I will be on my own and want to move to a different area. I wouldn't mind being in a more "local" area with a 3 star hotel. Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GregoryB;1924946]Most Perfect Location and reasonable:

Sofitel Hyland.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]I tried sofitel for September and October and coming up with $300/ night? Reasonable? I can usually stay at hilton for $200 or less. That is within walking distance to Judy's or Manhattans (3/4 mile) or a 25 RMB taxi ride. I usually walk there and ride back with my date.

Another question. Anyone ordered from SNG lately? The site does not appear to be updated in a couple weeks. Same girl is on special.

Everything ok Steven?

Sam.

Are there specific places near Sofitel? I walked that area a couple of times on previous trips but didn't know what to look for.

Samcan, the Ritz Carlton I'm at is also less than $200 and is about a block from Judy's and Manhattan.

I'm at the sofitel and see a bunch of massage places around the area. Any to recommend?

[QUOTE=Sugoi;1925234]I'm at the sofitel and see a bunch of massage places around the area. Any to recommend?[/QUOTE]This area is filed with tourist traps. If I were you I wouldn't monger there.

There are many recommandations for other spots in the city in the thread. This one is not a good one.

[QUOTE=Sugoi;1925069]

Samcan, the Ritz Carlton I'm at is also less than $200 and is about a block from Judy's and Manhattan.[/QUOTE]I guess I misunderstood. I thought you wanted a nearby hotel to monger at judy's and Manhattans and could not bring a girl back to the hotel because of your colleagues. I like the Hilton because all speak english and it has western amenities. I have done the local thing and sometimes a little Chinese food goes a long way in my book. I speak enough Chinese I can do it. I just prefer a hotel where I can get a western breakfast.

Anyway, if price is a concern, I believe Jing An hotel behind the Hilton Shanghai is much cheaper (use to be close to half the hilton price) and probably a 3 star. If it's not price or location near Judy's I must have missed what the request was for.

Sorry.

SAM.

So Gregory was misleading me? Thanks.

I've walked the area at night and have been stopped dozens of times but have been around to know they are probably some type of scam or overpriced massage.

In HK, Thailand (all places I've been), Singapore or other parts of China, all the local massage places offer extras for just a little more than what you can get elsewhere and that's what I was looking for.

I questioned the area since I walked it a couple of previous trips but thought there may be some hidden gems in the area. I'm not much of a takeout person and would rather go to a massage parlor or sauna and be done.

I have 2 nights here so if anyone can still point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.

I'll try one of the massage places in the area and report back as to how overpriced they are.

When you see foot massage and body massage for 90 and oil massage for 250 ish, is that the same as oil massages in Thailand where extras are assumed (with a tip)?

Sofitel in Nanjing Road East is a nice, not overly expensive and convenient hotel to get to from the Airport and to get to places that brought you to Shanghai, which I presume was business and not mongering. It is the hotel you stay in and the area is not to monger in (expensive and full of scams) . But like getting to the places of business, the hotel's central location will be a nice easy hike to get to places of play outside that area.

WOWEEE. One of the very few times SammyCan and I agree. SNG is totally out-of-date and the owner is very disconnected. This looks like a huge opportunity for someone else to step in and do it right.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1925052]I tried sofitel for September and October and coming up with $300/ night? Reasonable? I can usually stay at hilton for $200 or less. That is within walking distance to Judy's or Manhattans (3/4 mile) or a 25 RMB taxi ride. I usually walk there and ride back with my date.

Another question. Anyone ordered from SNG lately? The site does not appear to be updated in a couple weeks. Same girl is on special.

Everything ok Steven?

Sam.[/QUOTE]

In 17 years visiting Shanghai the Sofitel Hyland is the ONLY hotel where security refused me entry with a nightly bed warmer. Whilst this was 10 yrs back I never did and never will return there. As always YMMV but I will never be bitten twice.

Hi,

I am going to a business trip to China from 6 September till 10 September 2016. I will stay at Jiangyin International Hotel Co, Ltd.

I want to have some fun there, so please advise some nice places and girls around.

Thanks!

Not sure why SNG is now the subject of Hobbiest's flaming, but it is up and running. The "daily specials" did not update much for the 10 days I was recently in China (so what?) But new reviews were posted and it seemed like the availability of the girls changed from day to day. When I wanted to make an appointment, the service person responded quickly. An appointment was set up with Amy, who came to my hotel demurely dressed and right on time. Once in the room, she provided a wonderful GFE. Friendly, enthusiastic, and eager to please. I expect to repeat with her on my next China visit, provided she is still in "the stable". If not, I'm sure there will be some other cutie that will be more than acceptable.

I have used SNG a few times and was quite satisfied with the service every time. Some may say it is expensive, but for reliability and convenience. Well, it works for me. And no, I am not a shill for Steven or SNG. Just a happy customer that is happy to use his service, especially in these times where a lot of saunas are shut down and the rules seem to be changing in Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Phenyl;1926188]especially in these times where a lot of saunas are shut down and the rules seem to be changing in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]Just because SNG has most of its top listed Saunas as closed doesn't mean that it reflects the state of Shanghai.

Aside from Jingan, most districts are alive and well. Especialy Minhang which is historicaly the most active sauna district and had issues begining of the year but came back with even more spots since then.

Just on this chinese site [URL]http://www.shhhy.xyz/forum-124-1.html[/URL] I count 31 saunas advertising and that's not counting those which advertise on other sites or those not advertising these days.

Thats not counting either the 100's of MPs around the city offering all kinds of services.

Shanghai has a lot more to offer than you seem to believe.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1922888]

One has to be very desperate to do those window parlors (are they the same as the now mostly closed BBS?) I have noted occasional posts in the forum, asking for info on BSS or window parlors. My experience is: even if you are starving, you probably should not eat river slime.[/QUOTE]I agree. I've had a few 'down market' experiences here in Shanghai and they all shared two common characteristics. The lady never disrobed, and time was of the essence. Not being in my 20's, the time thing will always be a deal breaker for me. Statistically, maybe a 10% satisfaction rate in my experience.

SNG has something to offer. I'm in China for a week or so at a time a few times a year, and have very little time to explore the options. Although do read the forum regularly So I need to make my "me-time" count and can't really afford the time to waste on poor service (as I described below in an MP). I don't want to spend half my time in an establishment haggling, and don't want to go to the various bars where the best times are late at night.

Again, not a shill for Steven. And have never considered availing myself of his "premium membership" - but just wanted to throw my 2 cents into the discussion of SNG. The market for "services" is divided into many segments. Some value reliability and conveniences, others the thrill of the chase, others most bangs per buck (haha). But it's all good, my friend.

Also, my thoughts about saunas are based on what I'm reading on ISG. I don't read Chinese, so that source of info is not available to me. And I don't read SNG's page on saunas, since I guess I've become lazy and like the delivery service!

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1926256]Just because SNG has most of its top listed Saunas as closed doesn't mean that it reflects the state of Shanghai.

Aside from Jingan, most districts are alive and well. Especialy Minhang which is historicaly the most active sauna district and had issues begining of the year but came back with even more spots since then.

Just on this chinese site [URL]http://www.shhhy.xyz/forum-124-1.html[/URL] I count 31 saunas advertising and that's not counting those which advertise on other sites or those not advertising these days.

Thats not counting either the 100's of MPs around the city offering all kinds of services.

Shanghai has a lot more to offer than you seem to believe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phenyl;1926659]
Also, my thoughts about saunas are based on what I'm reading on ISG. I don't read Chinese, so that source of info is not available to me[/QUOTE]Which is why I felt it was important to point that this info you got from ISG is either incomplete or outdated. As for the chinese site I posted, you can use translate. Google. Cn if you don't speak chinese.

Not sure why you posted another 2 paragraph about escorts as my post was in no way commenting your choice of using escorts. Just correcting false info you posted here and which can mislead other people.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1926727]Which is why I felt it was important to point that this info you got from ISG is either incomplete or outdated. As for the chinese site I posted, you can use translate. Google. Cn if you don't speak chinese.

Not sure why you posted another 2 paragraph about escorts as my post was in no way commenting your choice of using escorts. Just correcting false info you posted here and which can mislead other people.[/QUOTE]Yeah, SNG has been way too slow to update escorts and saunas. I don't subscribe anymore. Many great local saunas now not listed on the site. If someone starts a new English site, there's definitely money to be made.

[QUOTE=Sugoi;1925234]I'm at the sofitel and see a bunch of massage places around the area. Any to recommend?[/QUOTE]If you read the forum you would know that the Sofitel is at the heart of tourist hunting territory.

If you want to get threatened and robbed then go with a tout out front or anywhere on Nanjing pedestrian street.
That is a tout or any sex or age and who might even seem charming.

You should be able to get a good massage for about 250-300 rmb for an hour. Depending on the place you might instead
get a not so good massage. You have to find one you like or read the forum.

I once went to a kind of rough looking massage place near Nanjing Lu. I went because I liked the look of one of the attendants who
I saw out side. Inside the rest of the girls were homely sisters and cousins (I guess). So I played it safe and went for the foot massage.

They charged me enough for a full body massage and had the nerve to show me an English menu with a note saying
they had to have payment in full in advance. She didn't have even the most elementary grasp of massage. At some point a 6' 3" male
entered the parlor. I don't think he was there to change the towels. What she did have a grasp of was my dink as she tried to up sell
me to the deluxe service which I declined and then left.

I just wanted to check the place out but I think I was lucky to not have more trouble there.

Sinofaguo pointed to saunas advertising in the Chinese web sites. I think there are a few caveats.

1. You really should be able to speak Chinese. I can send messages after they were Google translated, but when you get to the places you do have to speak Chinese as some point. The places that cater to local most likely will not understand or speak English. My Chinese is not ready for prime time. When I go to those places for locals, I frequently had a hard time and was often a source of amusement for the staff and the girls.

2. The special prices that were advertised in the websites are often not true. They will tell you those special prices apply to only one or two girls, who as usually not available because they were "servicing other customers" or the prices were "specials that expired a week ago".

3. The local places often have a tiered pricing system and you may be amazed at what they classified at the upper price tiers. You have to look at their tags carefully, and sometimes the girls did not wear the tag and you have to ask (in Chinese). I got caught twice now thinking I was picking a girl from the lower price tier and end up with one from a much higher tier. I like places that have one price for all (Bodi and Sacrosa).

I went to a place that has 4 or 5 price categories, separated by letters and then the numbers 5 ,6,7 etc. I took one from I thought was from the lower price tier because her number started with a number in that category, but I did not notice her tag did not have a lettered beginning. The service was good, I ended up tipping her. When I went to pay, I was several rmb short in cash (the price difference: she was in the top tier, which was a gross overrating, and what I had already gave her as a tip). I ended up having to use my debit card to pay, which I hate because it contains real and traceable personal information and I want to be anonymous. I was so upset that I was not paying attention to whether they were watching me entering the PIN. Because I am paranoid in nature, I changed my debit card PIN.

Had a real nice visit at Bodi. Selected a young, small girl with an unbeleiveable body. Good massage, mediocre BJ but took a good pounding for 45 minutes. Was really surprised her pussy was not that tight. So that was a bummer. Pretty strange set-up with the clothes, bouncers, through the halls. But did enjoy myself.

I had a few day layover in Shanghai on my way from LA to meet the SO in Chengdu. I lucked out at Manhattan and found a nice VN woman by the name of Anna who proposed 1000 rmb for the night. We had a great time and I called her back the next night for dinner and another night splitting the sheets. When we met she was dressed provocatively, but as we exited she grabbed her other bag and by the time we arrived she looked like a normal girl on the street. She scrubbed me real good in the shower. She says her plan is to retired back to Ho Chi Minh City in six months. I wish her well.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1927442]Yeah, SNG has been way too slow to update escorts and saunas. I don't subscribe anymore. Many great local saunas now not listed on the site. If someone starts a new English site, there's definitely money to be made.[/QUOTE]Now I am thinking of a sauna tour for those who maybe interested in the sauna scene. PM me if interested?

[QUOTE=Bigfoot16;1929652]I had a few day layover in Shanghai on my way from LA to meet the SO in Chengdu. I lucked out at Manhattan and found a nice VN woman by the name of Anna who proposed 1000 rmb for the night. We had a great time and I called her back the next night for dinner and another night splitting the sheets. When we met she was dressed provocatively, but as we exited she grabbed her other bag and by the time we arrived she looked like a normal girl on the street. She scrubbed me real good in the shower. She says her plan is to retired back to Ho Chi Minh City in six months. I wish her well.[/QUOTE]Could you shared her wechat or WhatsApp?

Thanks.

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Tried a new escort service today. Lily Shanghai massage. Communicating via wechat was quite easy, lili clearly speaks good English. Gave me real pictures and has rediculously good prices (1500 for 2 hours). But while I don't doubt the girl that came was the same girl from the picture, what I got was something much larger than expected (she perhaps weighs as much as me). The service itself was ok, I just couldn't get into it.

Could be worth a try again, just need to double check everything. But the price is right versus similar services (sng, rain, etc.).

Taz.

Arrived in Shanghai for another trip. Went to Judy's but it had moved location. Fortunately only a 2 min walk, heading towards Manhattan bar. In fact it's on the end of the same road that Manhattan is on. Much easier to relocate if one club is a little light on your desires.

New place is larger than the old one but with good band (think they're the same).

Had a chance to have a 3 some with two Viet, but one was a little too talkative, whilst her friend was more mature and much more my style. I also had eye on another young fit girl but then saw her smoking. Puts me off because hate kissing an ash tray.

Decided to keep with my mature Viet girl and we had some fun in the bar before heading back to hotel. She was sweet. Good kisser and typical smoking hot fit and slim body. Always gets me going.

Showered together and she gave a blow job and hand job in the shower. Went on bed and had all the usual activities. She was good and fortunately, because I was jet lagged, I couldn't cum quickly. So we made slow and very passionate love. Kissing and biting ears.

Eventually fell asleep with her on my arms. Woke in morning, had a more intense fuck and she finished me off in her mouth with her finger massaging my prostrate.

Paid her 2000 for the experience and off she went. Have her on wechat so will see her again if have time.

Something about Vietnamese girls just make me so fucking horny.

All in all, new Judy's seems bigger and better than old one with more space. Go check it out.

If you pay 20 $ you can participate in the PM system.

I'd love to get the WeChat info.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=LeadingRebel;1931556]Arrived in Shanghai for another trip. Went to Judy's but it had moved location. Fortunately only a 2 min walk, heading towards Manhattan bar. In fact it's on the end of the same road that Manhattan is on. Much easier to relocate if one club is a little light on your desires.

New place is larger than the old one but with good band (think they're the same).

Had a chance to have a 3 some with two Viet, but one was a little too talkative, whilst her friend was more mature and much more my style. I also had eye on another young fit girl but then saw her smoking. Puts me off because hate kissing an ash tray.

Decided to keep with my mature Viet girl and we had some fun in the bar before heading back to hotel. She was sweet. Good kisser and typical smoking hot fit and slim body. Always gets me going.

Showered together and she gave a blow job and hand job in the shower. Went on bed and had all the usual activities. She was good and fortunately, because I was jet lagged, I couldn't cum quickly. So we made slow and very passionate love. Kissing and biting ears.

Eventually fell asleep with her on my arms. Woke in morning, had a more intense fuck and she finished me off in her mouth with her finger massaging my prostrate.

Paid her 2000 for the experience and off she went. Have her on wechat so will see her again if have time.

Something about Vietnamese girls just make me so fucking horny.

All in all, new Judy's seems bigger and better than old one with more space. Go check it out.[/QUOTE]

Went to Judy's bar on Tuesday and said to myself I would just drink and enjoy the music and not take a girl back with me to my hotel.

Had a good time in the bar and all was good until I bumped into the same girl I had met on the previous Saturday. Stopped and chatted and her perfume was intoxicating. Thinking of work the next day I decided to say no and left the bar alone.

Got back to hotel and could still smell her perfume on me. And I was as horny as hell. Messaged her on wechat and said I had to see her.

15 minutes later. She's in my room and we're taking a shower together with all the usual trimmings. Fucked long and hard on the bed and then to sleep. Work was in the morning so had to leave some energy.

Woke in morning and before I got ready for work we had a second round. Fucking in all positions until she finished me off in her mouth. When she whispered "cum in my mouth darling" I couldn't hold back any longer and emptied my tank into her welcoming mouth.

Cleaned up, showered and off we both went. Me to work and her to her place and probably back to bed.

Very happy with her and she is a genuine non smoking non drinking woman who I really like. I would definitely see her again.

Back to Europe on Sunday for one week. And then fly back to Kuala Lumpur for next weekend. I suspect I will have a report coming from my trip to Beach Club in KL.

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[QUOTE=LeadingRebel;1933435]Went to Judy's bar on Tuesday and said to myself I would just drink and enjoy the music and not take a girl back with me to my hotel.

Had a good time in the bar and all was good until I bumped into the same girl I had met on the previous Saturday. Stopped and chatted and her perfume was intoxicating. Thinking of work the next day I decided to say no and left the bar alone.

Got back to hotel and could still smell her perfume on me. And I was as horny as hell. Messaged her on wechat and said I had to see her.

15 minutes later. She's in my room and we're taking a shower together with all the usual trimmings. Fucked long and hard on the bed and then to sleep. Work was in the morning so had to leave some energy.

Woke in morning and before I got ready for work we had a second round. Fucking in all positions until she finished me off in her mouth. When she whispered "cum in my mouth darling" I couldn't hold back any longer and emptied my tank into her welcoming mouth.

Cleaned up, showered and off we both went. Me to work and her to her place and probably back to bed.

Very happy with her and she is a genuine non smoking non drinking woman who I really like. I would definitely see her again.

Back to Europe on Sunday for one week. And then fly back to Kuala Lumpur for next weekend. I suspect I will have a report coming from my trip to Beach Club in KL.[/QUOTE]

Hello,

Would someone know a place, like a nightclub (disco.) where I could meet freelancers?

Event if they're not Chinese it's OK. I don't mind Thais, pinas.

The only thing is that I don't want to have to pay prices like 1000 RMB. I mean almost 150 $ for a girl is incredibly expensive for me.

Thank you guys.

[QUOTE=SamSam2004;1934337]Hello,

Would someone know a place, like a nightclub (disco.) where I could meet freelancers?

Event if they're not Chinese it's OK. I don't mind Thais, pinas.

The only thing is that I don't want to have to pay prices like 1000 RMB. I mean almost 150 $ for a girl is incredibly expensive for me.

Thank you guys.[/QUOTE]Depends on what you want, but if 1000 RMB is incredibly expensive for you, you may be in the wrong place to monger.

[QUOTE=Andromadx;1930892]Could you shared her wechat or WhatsApp?

Thanks.

[/QUOTE]In addition, I failed to mention that she picked me, and we talked about how she goes about getting clients and she would not want me giving her personal information to a total stranger.

[QUOTE=SamSam2004;1934337]Hello,

Would someone know a place, like a nightclub (disco.) where I could meet freelancers?

Event if they're not Chinese it's OK. I don't mind Thais, pinas.

The only thing is that I don't want to have to pay prices like 1000 RMB. I mean almost 150 $ for a girl is incredibly expensive for me.

Thank you guys.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately seems you really end up in the wrong city. Actually it's a mistake often done, that guys compare Shanghai with Bangkok, but in many things you should better compare it with New York instead, for example when you check rentals, real estate market or also the "girls business".

It's a clear sign, how expensive that market has become the last years, if you check the job offer pages. Actually a handjob massage place (where for sure she not have to fuck with anyone, not even blow the guys) already offer a guarantee income from at least 20.000 RMB, some even 30.000 RMB per month. So if a girl has a option like that if she only offer HJ massage, why she should go to a pickup bar to find guys who expect to fuck her for less than 1000 RMB.

Beside that, the "freelancer pickup" is a typical "foreign business", so a small market here in Shanghai. Chinese guys nearly never to a pickup place to find girls. If they want to fuck on location, they go to a sauna club, if they want to take out the girl they go to a KTV. So there is no need and that means also no chance, that there would be a pickup scene beside the foreigner market.

Additional to that, Shanghai has become one of the only cities in China where this kind of business still running without too many restrictions and worries about raids and so on, so there are many guys who want to have fun here, but same time not so many girls for that available for a reasonable price (see above), so that for example the "bottleneck" for running a successful sauna business here are not the customers any more. This is easy to solve, the actual bottleneck is, that it has become very hard for a sauna to find attractive girls who are willing to work for a reasonable rate, what is by the way the reason, why they nearly all now have to "model" price and normal price, because otherwise no chance to get very hot girls any more. And also the reason why all saunas charge nearly double than some years ago. So if you come to Shanghai and you expect to get cheap sex from attractive girls, than you will most probably fail actually.

There is a chance, but for that you simply need to reduce your expectation about the girls "quality" a lot. The typical "street girls" for example around Manhattan club still fuckable for 200 or 300 RMB, but here we talk about mature ladies in the age of 40+ years and not the most attractive MILFs you probably able to find in Shanghai.

The most easy way to solve that problem is a weekend trip to Manila ((or more safe this days) to Bangkok or a Vietnam City. The air fee is low compared with the "cut off" you can get on the girls fee, so one or two rounds most probably will have been able to let you reach the "return on investment".

Sorry that there is no better news for you, but no one can find what you are looking for, if this simply not exist.

Shanghai Guide described what had been happening to the Shanghai mongering scenes in the last year or so very well. Prices are rising, the number of girls in many places are fewer and looks at the sub 900-1000 rmb market may have gone down somewhat.

I started mongering in earnest rather late because I was working domestically in the US until my company transferred me to China 2 years ago. I am trying to make up for lost time. (No, SamSam, 1000 rmb is not incredibly expensive!) My preference is to try a new girl each time. But with a lot of places closing (and opening, but it is hard to get hook up with new places all the time), managers transferring, and fewer girls working, it is getting harder to have good and different pick each time.

I was at this place a couple of days ago, turned out the girl I picked was with me a few weeks ago. She remembered me. She gave me great service back then, and I tipped her. This time she was extra tampering with unhurried and very good GF service. I had a great time. I am beginning to wonder whether it is better to aim mainly for variety and new experiences vs developing a "relationship" with some girls who gave good services with repeat businesses.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1935928]. I am beginning to wonder whether it is better to aim mainly for variety and new experiences vs developing a "relationship" with some girls who gave good services with repeat businesses.[/QUOTE]North South, I believe the answer is both! I prefer to have small list of faves that I continue to cultivate but also get variety in between. Sometimes you want a luxury meal and sometimes you're willing to risk having a big mac (experience of the girl not the looks).

Sometimes the Big Mac you ordered turns into a new luxury meal. Then she gets added to the list!.

I have not been to shanghai in about 9 months. The first time its gone that long in 7 years. I do have a viet that I continue to talk to via whatsapp. She is more than ready to fly to shanghai and meet me when I come over. I won't be exclusive for her anymore than she will be for me. But she will be on the menu!

Sam Can.

I think that will be what I'll do: bookmark some favs.

Are you stuck in the States? My condolence! I dread the days when the same fate befalls me and I have to leave this monger's paradise.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1936386]

Are you stuck in the States? My condolence! I dread the days when the same fate befalls me and I have to leave this monger's paradise.[/QUOTE]Yea, stuck in the desert here. Not sure when I will get back. I miss steven's girls, my faves and the new experiences.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1927771]If you read the forum you would know that the Sofitel is at the heart of tourist hunting territory.

If you want to get threatened and robbed then go with a tout out front or anywhere on Nanjing pedestrian street.
That is a tout or any sex or age and who might even seem charming.

You should be able to get a good massage for about 250-300 rmb for an hour. Depending on the place you might instead
get a not so good massage. You have to find one you like or read the forum.

I once went to a kind of rough looking massage place near Nanjing Lu. I went because I liked the look of one of the attendants who
I saw out side. Inside the rest of the girls were homely sisters and cousins (I guess). So I played it safe and went for the foot massage.

They charged me enough for a full body massage and had the nerve to show me an English menu with a note saying
they had to have payment in full in advance. She didn't have even the most elementary grasp of massage. At some point a 6' 3" male
entered the parlor. I don't think he was there to change the towels. What she did have a grasp of was my dink as she tried to up sell
me to the deluxe service which I declined and then left.

I just wanted to check the place out but I think I was lucky to not have more trouble there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I had stayed in the area a few years ago and never ventured with any of the touts asking about massage. I didn't see too many places but I do remember a couple of saunas around and actually went to a couple. When I went back, they were no longer there so I thought perhaps areas had changed.

Many, many years ago I once went with a tout in Shinjuku, Japan and went upstairs to a bar with no music and one older girl. I politely declined and left and decided not to go with a tout again.

I will be back in a bit and really am more of a sauna or massage parlor person. I will probably be at the Shangri-la hotel by Judy's so if anyone can point me in the right direction, it is appreciated.

Any update on Massage Places, Saunas where very big bust babes are for the picking in the fish bowl.

Is the sauna at 6th floor 580 Nanjing still there?

Coming back to Shanghai in a few weeks. Is the Jing'an district still locked down? The Royal Massage was my favorite place to visit, but there were other places to go. Is the Jing'an district less windy? If not, would appreciate suggestions on other places to go for massage plus services.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1936568]Yea, stuck in the desert here. Not sure when I will get back. I miss steven's girls, my faves and the new experiences.[/QUOTE]AMPS are almost everywhere in the states. And you can usually get FS. PM if you need a brief primer.

Anyone gone to Bodi lately?

I called them and they inform me that the hotel does not have any spa now?

Will have a layover in Shanghai but only a few hours so not enough time to go into the city. I read the Ramada Spa offers extras? Any info on this place?

Thanks.

Want to hit up some MPs in Gubei and Minghang areas. Is it safe now?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;1940061]Want to hit up some MPs in Gubei and Minghang areas. Is it safe now?[/QUOTE]Wide open, njoy.

[QUOTE=Argogia;1939933]Anyone gone to Bodi lately?

I called them and they inform me that the hotel does not have any spa now?[/QUOTE]Just went there last night. Very good selection. Had 678, excellent services. There have increased the price since April, startng 998 and up. I will be in SH for the next 3 days and will hit a couple other SN.

Jb.

[QUOTE=Argogia;1939933]Anyone gone to Bodi lately?

I called them and they inform me that the hotel does not have any spa now?[/QUOTE]Its open. Walk straight in. Not sure why they said no.

[QUOTE=Hind31;1941604]Its open. Walk straight in. Not sure why they said no.[/QUOTE]You do not want to call unless you know someone. Remember, Sell sex is illegal. They do not want to get in trouble unless they know you. When I first went there, one guy asked me a few questions and make sure I am not LE.

Jb.

Wanted to thank everyone on the forum for the good advice and help.

Thought I would post a few details on my trip to Bodi in case it is of some help.

I had originally planned to visit both Bodi and 45 Mansion on this day trip to Shanghai, but only made it to Bodi.

Left my luggage at the Luggage Deposit. Incredibly cheap. Fit both of my carryons for the day for 20 rmb! Also like that they let you put it yourself into a computer controlled cabinet -- makes it feel very secure.

Took the Maglev to Longyang Road station. A Maglev Round trip + Metro Day pass runs you 85 rmb. I preferred public transport since I don't speak any mandarin and I just didn't want to explain to the taxi drivers. The closest metro to Bodi is Shanghai Children's Medical center (approx 15 min walk). I stupidly walked directly from the Maglev station which is about a 35 minute walk.

Bodi's hours are listed as "12:00 AM to 2:00 AM" - I foolishly didn't pay attention to the 2 AM, and I did not interpret 12:00 AM to be noon! In any event, I got their at 10:45 AM and had to wait till noon. For those calling the hotel and wondering why they say no sauna. The hotel itself is separate and adjacent and they have no sauna. The Bodi sauna we are looking forward is to the left and attached in the same building. This explains the previous posters confusion.

In any event I went in at noon, told the price was 980 rmb to which I said fine. There were other more expensive options listed, but I couldn't read the menu so I have no idea -- I am sure other more experienced posters can explain what those were. Usual change into robe / PJ's and escorted to a waiting room where I was given something to drink and a remote to watch TV. Waited for 30 minutes and nothing was happening, so I wandered out into the hall and immediately multiple attendants rush to me to find out what the problem is. Very little English to be had here, but at least a few people were armed with smartphones with translate features. Asked when I could get my massage. Was told not until 1 PM! Finally at 1 PM, nothing happening, so I wander out again and am told to wait another 5-10 minutes.

Finally I am taken to the back to see the lineup. At least 15 girls. Many I thought were very attractive. Based on the recent posts, my expectations were low, but I was pleasantly surprised.

I chose #628 (she spoke no English and I never got her name). She was at least an 8, and I was fortuitous is choosing someone with large tits given the nuru component.

Was led up two flights of stairs to one of the many massage rooms. All quite similar, one room with a bed and one room with a shower table. After undressing, the girl gave me a nice table shower followed by fantastic nuru massage. She then escorts me to the bed where she proceeds with a superb BBBJ, plenty of attention to the balls, and CIM. I did not realize only one round was possible (unless you pay double0, otherwise I might have opted for sex. She did give me a nice massage after. I highly recommend this girl. Actually had a fantastic experience and I wish I repeated with her.

After being returned downstairs, I explained I was ready for another massage. This was met with a lot of laughter since I guess most of the clients either go home or stop and rest for a while. In any event they finally take me back to the line-up. This time I choose #588 (she spoke some English and told me her name was Strawberry). Same routine, but this girl had tiny tits so Nuru was suboptimal. During the shower she really scrubbed everything quite vigorously and with a scrubber! . Needless to say felt a little raw. Her BBBJ was very mechanical and not at all good. We did have sex which was just OK. Overall a pretty girl but poor service.

Another thing the girls don't let you leave the room until the full hour is up. Guess management gets upset with them otherwise.

Overall, I had a good time at Bodi and I found the fixed price for the girls and what I thought was a solid line-up to be satisfactory. If you like Nuru+ experience this is a good place, but I don't have a frame of reference yet for other options in Shanghai.

My overall take is the Shanghai is not a great value place compared to Bangkok or even Hong Kong.

Hope this detailed review is of some help.

[QUOTE=Sammi123;1941752]Wanted to thank everyone on the forum for the good advice and help.

Thought I would post a few details on my trip to Bodi in case it is of some help......

Another thing the girls don't let you leave the room until the full hour is up. Guess management gets upset with them otherwise.

Overall, I had a good time at Bodi and I found the fixed price for the girls and what I thought was a solid line-up to be satisfactory. If you like Nuru+ experience this is a good place, but I don't have a frame of reference yet for other options in Shanghai.

My overall take is the Shanghai is not a great value place compared to Bangkok or even Hong Kong.

Hope this detailed review is of some help.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this report. From my research Bodi seems to be the best of its kind on offer in mainland China right now. Gone are the days of CP where you paid the same or less for 2 hours of fun.

Just returned from a 2 week asia tour that ended in Shanghai. Having never been to China before, this forum and SNG were both very helpful in making sure I knew where to go and what to expect! I had 2 nights (and one afternoon) for mongering, so I wanted to make sure I made the best of it.

Night 1: didn't want to risk a colleague at my hotel seeing me with a WL, so I opted for a sauna for the first experience. Chose Dongguan because it was closer to my hotel than the other ones I wanted to check out. I messaged the SNG contact via wechat and he was very helpful in getting me exact directions and he met me at the door. Very nice. Changed into shorts / shirt and saw the LU. Was pretty slim with maybe 7-8 girls, but they were all of decent quality. I went with A32 which was RMB 998 and she spoke a little bit of english, but not much. Massage was very good, BBBJ during shower / massage, and then onto the bed for the main event. Everything was very good. I was only able to go for 1 pop as I had been mongering hard in Singapore / Thailand prior, but the one I did enjoy was well earned and worth it.

Day / Night 2: finished work in the late morning, and this being my last hurrah in Asia, I figured I'd maximize things.

- Headed to Red House after connecting with the the manager via wechat. Very impressive LU of girls, too many to choose from in fact! I went again with one of the 'lower' ranked girls for a total of RMB 998 and again had a very satisfying session. She was playful but spoke zero english, but we were able to communicate anyway. Again, only one pop, and we still had time left, but I let her know I wouldn't go for another round. She seemed disappointed, but let it go. We smoked a cig and I got cleaned up and left.

- I wanted to hit Mansion No 45 as well. Figured when in Shanghai, why not try as many options as possible, right? Again, contacted manager via wechat, setup time, and arrived. Lineup was a bit weak (had been told earlier it was huge), but still full of very attractive ladies. I went with a slender girl who had a very eurasian look to her (after 2 weeks of dining on asian food, I felt a bit like some western food, even if it was still asian) who spoke zero english but was just adorable. We had an excellent massage session followed by very intense work on the bed. After I popped we smoked and tried to communicate, then she tried to prep me for round 2. I gave it the old college try, but after a short bit it was clear that it was futile. She was sweet about it and I cleaned up and left.

- By now it's about 1030 pm, so I grab some dinner and figure I have to hit Judy's club. I spent many nights in Singapore at Ipanema bar which is pretty similar to Judy's overall. I got there just before midnight and it was packed with viets and guys listening to a live band. Grabbed a beer and scoped the place out. Wasn't 100% sure I was going to get take-out since I'd had 2 sauna sessions earlier, but was open to options. Things thinned a bit as the night wore on and I chatted with a couple of different girls. Finally chose to go with a gorgeous Viet girl with cee breasts that I found out later were sillys. Oh well, they looked nice despite being fake. Otherwise she was very sexy, and she spoke quite good english. Went to get a taxi. Was warned about fake taxi's and getting overcharged, so I chose one that looked legit, but it was still a scam cab. Charged me 100 rmb to get to my hotel instead of the 30-40 it should have been. Considering it's still only like a $10 USD scam, not a biggie, but something to be aware of. Had a slight issue at the hotel. The attendant enforced the guest must register rule, and my WL got a bit jumpy, but all was well afterwards. She had her passport and there were no issues beyond that. Showered up and had a very nice end to my trip. Had her stay over, but opted not to have the final fuck in the morning as I was a bit hungover and had to get to the airport.

Overall was a good experience in shanghai. Judy's really reminds me of Ipanema in Singapore. Even down to the fact that it's heavily viet focused. The saunas were all nice. All different, and very different from the FKK / sauna scene in Germany that I'm used to. Red House was the 'closest' experience I had to the FKK one, but still very different. Much more like the geylang experience in Singapore IMHO.

Anyway. Had a great time ending my 2 week swing through Asia!

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;1942016]Just returned from a 2 week asia tour that ended in Shanghai. Having never been to China before, this forum and SNG were both very helpful in making sure I knew where to go and what to expect! I had 2 nights (and one afternoon) for mongering, so I wanted to make sure I made the best of it.

Night 1: didn't want to risk a colleague at my hotel seeing me with a WL, so I opted for a sauna for the first experience. Chose Dongguan because it was closer to my hotel than the other ones I wanted to check out. I messaged the SNG contact via wechat and he was very helpful in getting me exact directions and he met me at the door. Very nice. Changed into shorts / shirt and saw the LU. Was pretty slim with maybe 7-8 girls, but they were all of decent quality. I went with A32 which was RMB 998 and she spoke a little bit of english, but not much. Massage was very good, BBBJ during shower / massage, and then onto the bed for the main event. Everything was very good. I was only able to go for 1 pop as I had been mongering hard in Singapore / Thailand prior, but the one I did enjoy was well earned and worth it...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great report, I am living in China for more than 7 years, today if you have some time it is quite easy to meet none pro girls in different places like Starbucks, expat bars etc. Some of them are just looking for experiences with foreigners others can do it for money. Every thing is possible from 0 rmb to 2000 rmb. The women are very open and free in China specially when they come from other provinces they behave without any risk to meet people they could know.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;1942016] Chose Dongguan because it was closer to my hotel than the other ones I wanted to check out.

Went to get a taxi. Was warned about fake taxi's and getting overcharged, so I chose one that looked legit, but it was still a scam cab. Charged me 100 rmb to get to my hotel instead of the 30-40 it should have been. Considering it's still only like a $10 USD scam, not a biggie, but something to be aware of.[/QUOTE]

If Dongguan sauna is closer to your hotel than the others then 30-40 rmb is already a scam. You need to watch that they turn on the meter when you get in and that they give you a receipt (frappio) when you get out.

The last couple of trips I have noticed fake taxi drivers outside Manhattan. They threaten legit drivers who do drop offs so they go away instead of waiting for a pickup. I grabbed a cab doing a drop off once and one of the thug taxi drivers pounded his fist on the hood and glared at the driver.

What's my point? Well, don't encourage them.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;1942016]Chose Dongguan because it was closer to my hotel than the other ones I wanted to check out. I messaged the SNG contact via wechat and he was very helpful in getting me exact directions and he met me at the door. Very nice. Changed into shorts / shirt and saw the LU. Was pretty slim with maybe 7-8 girls, but they were all of decent quality. I went with A32 which was RMB 998 and she spoke a little bit of english, but not much. Massage was very good, BBBJ during shower / massage, and then onto the bed for the main event. Everything was very good. I was only able to go for 1 pop as I had been mongering hard in Singapore / Thailand prior, but the one I did enjoy was well earned and worth it.[/QUOTE]I had a good time at Dongguan recently. I suspect the line up did not have any of the same girls as in the pictures they send to your phone but they were young and slim beauties. Let the title above say it all.

It is directly the first door to the south on the corner by the China Merchants Bank near Yu Yuan Garden as they instruct you. Contact them by WeChat or phone / text as instructed on SNG. The door has no marking or sign. If the door is open there will be someone there and probably a couple of guys hanging around nearby doing nothing.

I have been to Shanghai last week for a couple of days. Though busy most of the time, I got the chance to gift me with a massage. I chose Spring massage, as it was recommended already. I went to the Madang Lu shop. SNG has the details and other shop locations.

I chose the 278,- oil massage. The oil is extra. I chose the 80,- one. There are cheaper options as well. A young nice looking girls came to pick me up. I got a shower and went to the massage room. The rooms are nice, though at least the one I was in, a little bit small. However, with those plastic panties I lay down on the bench and she started to give me the massage. It was a very good one. She knew what to do. Already during the normal massage she dropped my panties and began to include parts down there. After the really relaxing massage she began to intensify this and after a while I turned around. She came close and began to make me happy. I began touching her and she asked for a tip for more. As I did not want to spend to much, we agreed for 300 to drop her clothes. I was able to touch her everywhere and also to suck her tits. She did not hurry to bring me to an end. After I finished, she cleaned me and continued to massage my legs, belly and private parts. I was to tired for a second round but we kept chatting and touching for a while.

I forgot her number, but I got her WeChat, so if I am back in Shanghai, I will contact her probably again. Though I am not sure about the tips, Haven't been to Shanghai much until now. Maybe for 300, there is more possible?

Nevertheless, I was satisfied!

[QUOTE=BobbyBlack;1942910]I have been to Shanghai last week for a couple of days. Though busy most of the time, I got the chance to gift me with a massage. I chose Spring massage, as it was recommended already. I went to the Madang Lu shop. SNG has the details and other shop locations.

I chose the 278,- oil massage. The oil is extra. I chose the 80,- one. There are cheaper options as well. A young nice looking girls came to pick me up. I got a shower and went to the massage room. The rooms are nice, though at least the one I was in, a little bit small. However, with those plastic panties I lay down on the bench and she started to give me the massage. It was a very good one. She knew what to do. Already during the normal massage she dropped my panties and began to include parts down there. After the really relaxing massage she began to intensify this and after a while I turned around. She came close and began to make me happy. I began touching her and she asked for a tip for more. As I did not want to spend to much, we agreed for 300 to drop her clothes. I was able to touch her everywhere and also to suck her tits. She did not hurry to bring me to an end. After I finished, she cleaned me and continued to massage my legs, belly and private parts. I was to tired for a second round but we kept chatting and touching for a while.

I forgot her number, but I got her WeChat, so if I am back in Shanghai, I will contact her probably again. Though I am not sure about the tips, Haven't been to Shanghai much until now. Maybe for 300, there is more possible?

Nevertheless, I was satisfied![/QUOTE]300 RMB was about 100-200 RMB too much. Spring girls can get a bit greedy though, particularly when Laowei walks through the door.

[QUOTE=RobSH;1942932]300 RMB was about 100-200 RMB too much. Spring girls can get a bit greedy though, particularly when Laowei walks through the door.[/QUOTE]Guessed so. Quite usual everywhere. I was too lazy to bargain too much. Too bad. Next time I will do so.

I guess I must be the only forum member in Shanghai over the holiday.

Anyway, went to 45 this afternoon. Really surprised at how many girls there, and of course almost no customers. Even better was most of the girls there were "be" cards (898). A lot of saunas are offering discounts right now, but not 45, however I wanted to be confident I'd be taken care of.

I don't normally recommend girls (tastes vary and I do believe YMMV) however B12 was quite damn good!

Also, tony, my contact there, once again exceeded expectations for customer service. He was in his hometown, but he arranged someone to meet me, and worked with her to recommend girls who were available at that moment. Contact info via pm to contributing members only.

Cheers,

Taz.

[QUOTE=Johnia32;1938874]Coming back to Shanghai in a few weeks. Is the Jing'an district still locked down? The Royal Massage was my favorite place to visit, but there were other places to go. Is the Jing'an district less windy? If not, would appreciate suggestions on other places to go for massage plus services.[/QUOTE]Royal Massage no longer exists. Animate Massage is next door. Years ago, I went there. Was OK Massage with expensive he.

Has anyone been to Animate Massage recently? I see there is a phone number for outcall on their sign. Anyone experience that?

[QUOTE=Johnia32;1945757]Royal Massage no longer exists. Animate Massage is next door. Years ago, I went there. Was OK Massage with expensive he.

Has anyone been to Animate Massage recently? I see there is a phone number for outcall on their sign. Anyone experience that?[/QUOTE]I went to the other one on the other side of royal massage on the right as you look at old royal many times. The massage was much cheaper and the HJ guaranteed for a reasonable tip. I also got to know a girl there. She did outcall to my room a number of times. Everything (but anal) was on the menu.

Not sure if she is there anymore. She was a spinner but maybe only a 5-6. She was good when I needed an old faithful to my room for small money don't remember her name, number or if she's even there anymore.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1945866]I went to the other one on the other side of royal massage on the right as you look at old royal many times. The massage was much cheaper and the HJ guaranteed for a reasonable tip. I also got to know a girl there. She did outcall to my room a number of times. Everything (but anal) was on the menu.

Not sure if she is there anymore. She was a spinner but maybe only a 5-6. She was good when I needed an old faithful to my room for small money don't remember her name, number or if she's even there anymore.[/QUOTE]Thank you SamCan.

That is what I am calling the Animate Massage. Have not been there this trip. If I get there I will share details.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1945866]I went to the other one on the other side of royal massage on the right as you look at old royal many times. The massage was much cheaper and the HJ guaranteed for a reasonable tip. I also got to know a girl there. She did outcall to my room a number of times. Everything (but anal) was on the menu.

Not sure if she is there anymore. She was a spinner but maybe only a 5-6. She was good when I needed an old faithful to my room for small money don't remember her name, number or if she's even there anymore.[/QUOTE]Hi SamCam,

Would you have an address of the Animate Massage?

The National Day Week, which dovetails the Mid Autumn Festival, is like the Black Friday Event for the local mongers. While some folks do leave to go home for the holidays, a lot of joints frequented by the locals are packed because of the specials. Now the discounts might only be a rmb off, but hey, some people in the US camp overnight outside of Walmart for the "bargains". Unlike the zoo scene for the Black Friday Events, the mongers here do not come to blow (they come for blows, BB at that)

[QUOTE=Idefix;1946141]Hi SamCam,

Would you have an address of the Animate Massage?[/QUOTE]250 huashan lu is the address of the hilton. It is the alley next door.

Another forum had some positive FR, anyone here had positive experiences? Pricy but the selection looks very good.

I was at the intersection of Shaanxi and. Rd. And Changping Road near where the Budha massage was. There is a massage place at the same location or a few doors down called Min Massage (in English on the sign). Is this the same place as the Budha Massage? Has anyone been there recently for massage plus services.

Here's my contribution. I was in Shanghai for the past 3 days and decided to try different saunas.

First day: Hailang (New Wave).

This sauna used to be one my favorite and was well known among foreigners, especially Japanese. For some reasons, the business is not like in the past, but after my visit during the National holiday, I still find the place well maintained. This place is one of the rare sauna where you can select the girl in a like aquarium room type; the girls do not see you, so you can choose without feeling any guilt and pressure. They have 4 levels of pricing with different quality, 880 Rmb was the cheapest and most of the girls are at 1080 RMB. I went there at around 6:30 pm, got changed and put my clothes in the locker room, took a quick shower and went up immediately. I was the only customer at that time, and did not have to wait.

There were around 20 girls in the aquarium and I got to choose a tall and skinny girl from Xian, #B86, which was a good choice.

We went to the room, chat a bit and went through the process of soapy body to body massage, cat massage, and FS. Her BJ was amazing and she did a great job around my balls and cock. FS was also good. Overall a good experience.

Here's my rating:

#B86 from Xian.

Look: 7.

Body: 7.

BJ: 9.

FK: None.

FS: 8.

GF: 7.

Overall: 8.

Cost: 1080 RMB for 60 min.

Second day: Elite Sauna.

This one is also an old time Sauna, and one of the best in terms of service and price. But the choice of girls and look have considerably decreased due to competition.

The price is 750 RMB for 90 min and it starts at 10:30 am for those who want an early FS, closing at 1 am. For this, you get the cat massage back and front, BJ, 2 shots. Most of the girls do 69, FK. This place is quite popular due to the price, and waiting time can be long, it is best to go either early in the morning, or during lunch / dinner time.

I went there 2 days ago at around 6:30 pm. Took a shower, went to the waiting room, and was surprised to wait for only 5 min, maybe due to the National holiday where everyone is out of the city. There were around 20 girls in the room, all ranging from 5 to 7 in terms of look, and you just stand in front of them when selecting the girl. I chose one from Harbin that looked reasonably OK and we went straight to the room. As soon as in the room, I lay down on the bed and the service started immediately, with cat massage, BJ, 69, FS, FK. Normally, the service is always great, but the one I chose was a bit too mechanical. At the end my experience was overall satisfactory.

Here's my rating:

#228 from Harbin.

Look: 6.

Body: 6.

BJ: 7.

FK: Yes (but I did not do it).

FS: 7 (two shots).

GF: 6.

Overall: 7.

Cost: 750 RMB for 90 min.

Second day: M Sauna.

It's a new one with one of the best in terms of facilities, located in Wuzhong road, in a building selling luxury cars, so most of the customers are wealthy and locals, and you have to say one of the agents name in other to get in. This is the place where you can find models and the price can be quite steep with different level of pricing: 880,1100, 1500,2200, 2900 RMB.

When I went there at around 5 pm, it was also quiet and there was no waiting time. I went straight to the selecting room, where there were at least 50 girls of various categories in the room.

I chose a girl at 1500 RMB category, she was pretty, 1 m70,25 yo nice body from Hunan, and was quite shy. She said she was on the business for only 2 days and you could tell that she was not used to it. In the room, she was not sure of what to do, so I had to guide her in the process. When undressing she also continued to hide her private part with her arms and hand, so I tried to reassure her by discussing with her and by being very gentle, which in return she was very grateful. It turned out that it was like being with a girlfriend. She was all wet and we French Kissed during the action, which I normally don't do, but because the chemistry was so good that it felt great doing it. So the overall experience was great, and when I was about to leave, she hugged me tigthly and said she appreciated that I was nice to her. She gave me a kiss on my face and I left happily.

#Q206 from Hunan.

Look: 9.

Body: 9.

BJ: 8.

FK: Yes.

FS: 9 (one shot but two allowed).

GF: 10.

Overall: 9.

Cost: 1500 RMB for 70 min.

If some of you want the address, please PM me. I will only reply to contributors.

Thank you, G Haribo for the very informative report.

[QUOTE=Johnia32;1946550]I was at the intersection of Shaanxi and. Rd. And Changping Road near where the Budha massage was. There is a massage place at the same location or a few doors down called Min Massage (in English on the sign). Is this the same place as the Budha Massage? Has anyone been there recently for massage plus services.[/QUOTE]

This is from my ISG notes so I am unable to credit the original poster. Sorry poster.

[QUOTE]Update: Buddha place now called Min massage.

Update. I went during daylight and found that the Buddha place has changed names and now has the sign from Min Massage above the door. The buddha wall art has been replaced with a different piece of art. The stairs have been remodeled to give better visibility from the front counter. Service by a somewhat older and heavier girl was OK, not great. Shower, meager massage, slurpy water, cat bath with fake tongue, flip, BJ and HY ending. Damage 268.

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I had the opportunity to come to Shanghai for two weeks in early July for the first time in several years. I apologize for taking so long to post my experiences but I have been pretty busy these past couple of months and lazy as well. But anyway, I decided to try out some places I've never been to before because I'm all about having new experiences. I was a little hesitant after RTFF and coming upon Changelelu's bad weather experience in March, but this hobby comes with calculated risks and as there weren't any other warning signs at the time I decided to visit the following places:

SIYUAN.

Based on Carage's very positive report in #10371, I decided to visit SiYuan. I figured out where it was located based on previous reports and was surprised by its location and the mainstreamness of the brand it is hidden underneath. I went in the early afternoon and I tried to time it so I could have the elevator to myself. However, a family rushed into the elevator at the last second and it was kind of awkward getting off on a darkened floor with a family on board. In this sense, the setup at Bodi with the side entrance is more preferable.

The greeter asked me if I was there for anyone in particular and I said no. He then mentioned that they had a recent change in their pricing and girls would be split into three levels with Blue badge going for 780, Black badge going for 1080, and Red badge going for 1380. After putting my stuff into the locker and changing into the sauna PJ's I made my way to the fish bowl where the floor manager also mentioned the change of pricing as well. Waited a couple of minutes before a lineup of girls showed up. I picked a black badge girl about 5'5 with long black hair who led me to a room, gave me a long kiss, undressed me before undressing herself, and told me to hang out while she got the soapy massage room set up. After washing me clean, she told me to lie down on the soapy table and gave me an excellent soapy massage and BBBJ. As I had been out of action for awhile I could feel myself getting ready to pop and she could sense the same. She stopped the BBBJ and asked if I wanted to move to the other room. I asked if I could pop then and then get a second pop in the other room. She readily agreed and continued and I BBBJCIM.

After getting cleaned up, we went to other room and chatted while she gave me a massage while I recovered. I told her that I would like to see her again next time I was in town. She grabbed her phone out of her bag and added me on WeChat. She said to message her ahead of time next time so she could let the staff know and get credit for it. She said that she normally only gets 500 per customer, but if the customer is a repeat and notifies her ahead of time, she can get 200 more for a total of 700. I asked her if I could just let the staff know upon arrival for her to get the bonus and she said that that wasn't the case anymore. So if you guys find a girl you like at SiYuan, make sure you add on WeChat and let her know when you go again so she can get the bonus that she works hard for. The girl I picked also explained a little more about the levels at SiYuan. Girls that are tall (forgot the exact cutoff for height) automatically get the red badge designation regardless of their looks, attitude, and service. Everyone else starts out as a blue badge and can work their way to a black badge designation. Shorter girls, regardless of how awesome they are, will never be able to get the red badge designation.

As the conversation died down, she playfully tugged below and asked if I was ready for a second pop. I nodded and she began BBBJ again before I pulled her tail up to 69. She then put on the cover and we proceeded through cowgirl, doggy, before finishing in mish. As time was almost up, we got washed up and I promised to see her next time I was in town.

As I was headed back towards the locker room, an attractive girl asked if I wanted an ear cleaning. I agreed and she led me to a room with lounge chairs and straddled me and giggled and made conversation as she plucked my ears clean.

If you're in town for a short stay, I can highly recommend this place as its easy to find and conveniently located while providing high quality service.

XIANYUAN.

Seeing Arizona123's post #10302 about red rope service got me excited as I had fond memories of red rope service at Sea Waves. I sent a PM to him for info and he gave me the rough location and threw in some recommendations for girls. To get there, I took Metro Line 8 to Huangxing Road station, walked east on Kongjiang Road, turned north on Shuangyang Road, and then turned west on Yanji Middle Road. You'll know it's the right road because of the CCB on the southwest corner of the intersection. On Yanji Middle Road past the CCB, there will be two saunas. It's the door to the right.

Going inside and up the staircase to the lobby, the lobby people asked if I had an appointment as they took my shoes. I said no and they sent me up another flight to the changing room. The changing room and the shower room facilities were extremely run down so I decided to skip the shower and change into the sauna PJs and headed off into a hallway to the rest of the facility. There was no one there to lead me as I wandered around until after a second pass, a girl sitting a table asked me what I wanted. I asked her what they had and she said 498 RMB for 60 minutes of FS without soapy, 598 RMB for 90 minutes with soapy, and 850 RMB for red rope. I asked for red rope service and she said I would have to wait as the red rope room was currently occupied. I then asked about the 90 minute soapy and she said the soapy rooms were occupied as well and that I should just go do the regular service as rooms for those were readily available. I asked how long the wait would be for the red rope and the soapy and she said that each would be over half an hour and that I really should get the regular room. I told her I was going to wait for the 90 minute soapy and so she led me to a typical waiting room with the lounge chairs and television and left me there. There was no remote control for the TV, the air conditioning wasn't working and the room was stuffy and sweltering reeking of cigarettes so after ten minutes or so I got fed up and went to go find the lady to see if they could turn on the air conditioning in the room.

The lady apologized profusely for she had no way to change the temperature and asked if I would like to go for regular service instead of waiting and I said no so she led me to the regular massage area and told me to wait there. It wasn't much better there except for one small area which had a working vent and was slightly more tolerable. The room clearly had seen better days as the wallpaper was peeling, the chairs were sagging, and light fixtures were broken.

After another 30 minutes of waiting, I went to go find the lady again to see what was going on and she said that I would have to wait a bit longer but I could go for regular service now if I wanted to. I decided to continue to wait and after another hour, she came back to fetch me and led me to a room with a large soapy area, larger than all the more expensive places. However, repeating the theme of the rest of the place, the room was in pretty awful condition with both the regular bed and soapy bed being concave in the middle and discolored, stuff growing on the walls, and the water fixture constantly running.

The woman left me there and shortly returned with a lineup of almost two dozen girls, all of which were between a 3 and a 6 in looks. Definitely a drop in quality in looks from the more expensive places, which should be expected. I selected one of the ones I thought was better looking and after the other girls had left the room, she undressed me and herself and then led me to the soapy room to give me a cleaning. After I got cleaned, she sprayed down the massive queen sized soapy bed and had me lie down in the middle. Unlike the other places that would place a sheet of plastic on top of the bed for hygienic purposes, there were no sheets of plastic to be had here. After lying in the puddle in the middle of the bed, the girl proceeded to give me the most amazing soapy I ever had in China for the next hour going into multiple positions that were completely new to me. In the middle of it, I joked with her that her future husband was going to be super lucky and she groaned and said that there was no way that she would ever work so hard again. After about an hour, we moved to the regular room where she gave me a catbath, AR, BBBJ, and then on came the rubber and progressed through several positions before I popped. We lay next to each other afterwards and chatted for a bit as I rubbed her back before time was up.

While the place was super rundown and the girls were not very attractive, especially compared to the more well reviewed places on this forum, if you're a fan of soapy massage and don't mind looks over service as much, this place is tough to beat in the soapy game and to me represents a super value. One thing though, this place is even more local than many others reviewed so it might help if you learn some Mandarin before going.

LIANMING DANCE HALL.

Intrigued by the dance halls in Suzhou, I wanted to see if there were similar venues in Shanghai and discovered that there were after RTFF. I decided to visit one in Minhang District based on Arizona123's post in #10054 and ShanghaiNong's post in #9998. I took Metro Line 9 to Zhongchun Road station. I walked east on Husong Highway and turned south on Zhongchun Road. I walked for awhile on Zhongchun Road before going east on Lianming Road. You'll know its Lianming Road because of the giant Porsche facility on the southeast corner. After walking for awhile on Lianming Road, you'll see a shopping center on the north side with an adjacent parking lot on the left side of the shopping center. In the middle of the parking lot side of the building, you'll see a staircase with two giant yellow stars on top. This is the staircase to go up into the dance hall. It's about a 20-30 minute walk from the subway station so you may want to take a taxi instead. After paying 20 RMB at the ticket booth to the left of the staircase, I walked upstairs and dropped off my bag at the counter directly straight in front from the entrance. I also exchanged 120 RMB for 6 cards that you give to the girls for each song they hang out with you instead of cash like you would in Suzhou.

This place is pretty massive, somewhere between Mei Mei and Guanqianda / Jingqiwangzuo of Suzhou in size. For a weekday afternoon, this place was completely packed with both guys and girls. There were dozens upon dozens of girls of all shapes and sizes and of all different age groups. Most of the girls were below a 5 in looks and there roamed about the seated men several older creatures who were begging for a dance. There were maybe a handful of girls that I would rank a 6 or even a 7 and most of the time they were in the company of other guys there. Girls were also constantly coming and going from the dance hall so if you didn't like what you saw, an hour later the lineup could be completely different.

If you're too lazy to look up the other dance hall posts, the way these places work is based on the song tempo and the lighting as the lights alternate between on and off with each song. When the lights are on, the songs are generally faster in tempo and the dance floor is relatively empty as serious dancers take the stage to dance. Towards the end of the faster tempo songs, girls start lining up along the length of the dance floor and guys will walk up and down the line checking girls out to select a girl that they want to dance with and move onto the dance floor. As the faster tempo song switches to a slower tempo song, the lights fade to dark, this dance hall being the darkest one I've been in, and as you dance, you can chat with the girl and feel her up if she so permits. As the song ends, you can pay her with a card and say goodbye or prolong your time with her by finding an area to sit with her for the subsequent faster tempo lights on song as you seek to build rapport with her hoping for more later on.

I sat around by the main entrance for the first couple of songs just observing and also because only really ugly girls were available before a cuter one finally came in from outside during one of the faster songs. I quickly grabbed her hand towards the end of a faster song and led her towards the dance floor. I chatted with her as my hands roamed around her butt but she didn't really allow me to roam anywhere else. After the slow song was over, she asked if I would like to sit so we sat down at a table next to the dance floor and chatted a bit more but the conversation was dull so I gave her two cards and let her go when the song came to an end. A couple more songs passed before another cutie came in from outside. This one's personality was a lot more bubbly than the other one and she also allowed more roaming. I hung out with her alternating between the dance floor and the table area until all my cards were used up and even afterwards she stayed with me for several songs without charging before I had to go. We exchanged WeChat info and I promised to see her next time I was in town. She said that she alternates between several dance halls in the city and that there were better ones closer to the heart of the city and that she would take me to go check out one of those next time I was there.

I wouldn't recommend this place if you're on a short trip but if you're in Shanghai for a longer stay and want to try something lighthearted and different and don't mind traveling a bit, you can go check it out. I think I would actually rather go to one of these places than the hostess KTVs as I found these girls to be a bit more entertaining.

Thanks for the detailed report, From what I understand, XianYuan, the second sauna you reviewed, is closed for "renovation" since September. Maybe the new facility, if the place is actually being renovated and nor closed for good, will upgrade the experience.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1947339]Thanks for the detailed report, From what I understand, XianYuan, the second sauna you reviewed, is closed for "renovation" since September. Maybe the new facility, if the place is actually being renovated and nor closed for good, will upgrade the experience.[/QUOTE]I had commented on the general rundown condition of the facilities to the girl that I saw and she said that the place would be undergoing renovations soon so hopefully its the former rather than the latter.

[QUOTE=GHaribo;1946745]

Second day: Elite Sauna.

This one is also an old time Sauna, and one of the best in terms of service and price. But the choice of girls and look have considerably decreased due to competition.

The price is 750 RMB for 90 min and it starts at 10:30 am for those who want an early FS, closing at 1 am. For this, you get the cat massage back and front, BJ, 2 shots. Most of the girls do 69, FK. This place is quite popular due to the price, and waiting time can be long, it is best to go either early in the morning, or during lunch / dinner time.

I went there 2 days ago at around 6:30 pm. Took a shower, went to the waiting room, and was surprised to wait for only 5 min, maybe due to the National holiday where everyone is out of the city. There were around 20 girls in the room, all ranging from 5 to 7 in terms of look, and you just stand in front of them when selecting the girl. I chose one from Harbin that looked reasonably OK and we went straight to the room. As soon as in the room, I lay down on the bed and the service started immediately, with cat massage, BJ, 69, FS, FK..[/QUOTE]Thanks for your post. Where is located Elite sauna?

I wrote previously about lousy experience in storefront window places. I said I would not do those places again. So I did not listen to myself and got screwed more ways than one.

I was meeting friends early this evening for dinner near Line 4 Linping Road station. I saw this new (and clean) "foot massage" place with no foot massage couch and a couple of girls in tight dresses sitting on a sofa. The place was on Gongpin Road, heading South towards Zhōujiāzuǐ Road. It was the last one on the left (east) just before Zhōujiāzuǐ Road.

That one girl there looked like a proper OL or your neighborhood MILF. Anyway I finished dinner with my friends. I took some money out of the ATM for gifts for a birthday party I would go to tomorrow. I decided to check the foot massage place out.

I asked that woman if there was FS and she said yes. For 200 rmbs. I thought what the hell. She led me to a room, had me lie down without taking my clothes off. She said she would take care of everything. She proceeded to lower my pants and brief down to my knees. She had her back towards me, and her body leaning across my belly. She then started giving me a BBBJ and a HJ. Less than 10 minutes later, she said how come I had not finished. I said let start the FS. She said FS was BJ and HJ, and the time was up. She never unbuttoned one button, and she wore multiple layers below the waist, girdle, thick pantyhose etc. I did not even had the chance to cop a feel. The whole thing was a rip off. 200 rmb for a 10 minutes fully clothed lousily done BJ and HJ.

But this was not why I am writing this. I doubt if you guys would venture out to that so local area (If you do, don't go to that joint). But this is a thieving trick you may run into elsewhere.

I paid her the 200 and left, feeling scammed, but she had done more than that. When I got to the store to get gifts, I noticed that there were 300 rmbs missing from my wallet. I realized then her trick. By lowering my pants. loose, to my knees and her back towards me and leaning across my belly she completely blocked my view and I would not feel her reaching into the pants pocket to take out my wallet and removed several bills and then put it back. She did not take all or most of the money because then I could not pay or would have noticed when too many bills were missing.

I always think it is much better to go to a sauna where you leave your valuables in the lockers. This is the first time I had money stolen from me in a joint but I doubt that thieving woman invented this pick pocket trick herself. So be careful if someone try that routine on you. I have purposely not do pick up from bars to avoid the risk of having things or money stolen from my place.

Hey guys, will be back in Shanghai on Oct 15-17 and staying at Sheraton Jiading. Any good nuru / massage places nearby? Happy to meet up for some mongering if anyone wants. I'm a Chinese-American guy, only speaks English, but get around hobbying all over the world, including a few times in Shanghai. Let me know by PM.

Are.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1942505]The last couple of trips I have noticed fake taxi drivers outside Manhattan. They threaten legit drivers who do drop offs so they go away instead of waiting for a pickup. I grabbed a cab doing a drop off once and one of the thug taxi drivers pounded his fist on the hood and glared at the driver.

What's my point? Well, don't encourage them.[/QUOTE]There is another point regarding to that "faked taxi drivers" in front of Manhattan. And by the way also some of this "black taxis" waiting in front of Judy's now. The moment where you need to be careful and prepared will be, when you come out of the bar with one of the Vietnamese cuties and she suddenly will try to push you in that "illegal taxis". My last pickup there really tried it very hard to bring me in this taxi. This guys have a interesting way to get supported by the girls. Many of this girls use that illegal taxis for come home or even call them to go there. And the guys provide this rides for a low price or even for free, so that in return many of this girls try to "repay" that favor by support them to get some more clients to rip off. So better be prepared to avoid ending up in the taxi before you got clear what happened, especially if you had some beer already in the bar.

Have fun,

P.S: But by the way, to avoid a wrong impression. From the original post it sounds like they are brutal gangsters and perhaps that will cause more worries than necessary. I often talk with this guy and at least most of them are easy going and far away from aggressive against clients or other drivers. Which for sure not is a guarantee that you will not be faced o an asshole, but at least I did not had this experience yet. And even from time to time I book them, which is always funny when we discuss about the price. And when there is not a good business over there, I finally pay 10 more than the taxi would cost, but that is an amount I am willing to spend for the fact, that I don't for example need to wait around in rain or so. And even this guys rip you off, you most probably will not get bankrupt by that mostly. From my view it's not a "big disaster" if you finally need to pay 200 (that's what they mostly try to get as far as I know instead of 20 RMB a taxi for example would charge). But first for most of the guests in Judy's or Manhattan 200 RMB will not really be a big problem and second compared with the taxi fare in Germany, they will finally not even charge more than you would have to pay in Germany for a similar distance. So just take it easy and not worry too much, if you accidentally "tap into that trap". At least we not talk about a rip off like in an illegal massage parlor or Black KTV, where you mostly will loose at least 5 to 10.000 RMB.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1947640]



I paid her the 200 and left, feeling scammed, but she had done more than that. When I got to the store to get gifts, I noticed that there were 300 rmbs missing from my wallet. I realized then her trick. By lowering my pants. loose, to my knees and her back towards me and leaning across my belly she completely blocked my view and I would not feel her reaching into the pants pocket to take out my wallet and removed several bills and then put it back. She did not take all or most of the money because then I could not pay or would have noticed when too many bills were missing.

I always think it is much better to go to a sauna where you leave your valuables in the lockers. This is the first time I had money stolen from me in a joint but I doubt that thieving woman invented this pick pocket trick herself. So be careful if someone try that routine on you. I have purposely not do pick up from bars to avoid the risk of having things or money stolen from my place.[/QUOTE]Useful post. People always trying to separate you frrom your money.

In some of the sleazier parts of KL there used to be massage joints where you would put clothes in a drawer under the bed. Of course someone was on the other side of the drawer and after your massage, your wallet would defintely be lighter.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1947794]There is another point regarding to that "faked taxi drivers" in front of Manhattan. And by the way also some of this "black taxis" waiting in front of Judy's now. The moment where you need to be careful and prepared will be, when you come out of the bar with one of the Vietnamese cuties and she suddenly will try to push you in that "illegal taxis". My last pickup there really tried it very hard to bring me in this taxi. This guys have a interesting way to get supported by the girls. Many of this girls use that illegal taxis for come home or even call them to go there. And the guys provide this rides for a low price or even for free, so that in return many of this girls try to "repay" that favor by support them to get some more clients to rip off. So better be prepared to avoid ending up in the taxi before you got clear what happened, especially if you had some beer already in the bar.

Have fun,

P.S: But by the way, to avoid a wrong impression. From the original post it sounds like they are brutal gangsters and perhaps that will cause more worries than necessary. I often talk with this guy and at least most of them are easy going and far away from aggressive against clients or other drivers. Which for sure not is a guarantee that you will not be faced o an asshole, but at least I did not had this experience yet. And even from time to time I book them, which is always funny when we discuss about the price. And when there is not a good business over there, I finally pay 10 more than the taxi would cost, but that is an amount I am willing to spend for the fact, that I don't for example need to wait around in rain or so. And even this guys rip you off, you most probably will not get bankrupt by that mostly. From my view it's not a "big disaster" if you finally need to pay 200 (that's what they mostly try to get as far as I know instead of 20 RMB a taxi for example would charge). But first for most of the guests in Judy's or Manhattan 200 RMB will not really be a big problem and second compared with the taxi fare in Germany, they will finally not even charge more than you would have to pay in Germany for a similar distance. So just take it easy and not worry too much, if you accidentally "tap into that trap". At least we not talk about a rip off like in an illegal massage parlor or Black KTV, where you mostly will loose at least 5 to 10.000 RMB.[/QUOTE]In my most recent Manhattan experience (I don't go there often) I got into a fight (physical) with a fake driver and called the police. Please NEVER, EVER support these criminals! They ARE in fact thugs!

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1947794]

P.S: But by the way, to avoid a wrong impression. From the original post it sounds like they are brutal gangsters and perhaps that will cause more worries than necessary. I often talk with this guy and at least most of them are easy going and far away from aggressive against clients or other drivers. Which for sure not is a guarantee that you will not be faced o an asshole, but at least I did not had this experience yet. And even from time to time I book them, which is always funny when we discuss about the price. And when there is not a good business over there, I finally pay 10 more than the taxi would cost, but that is an amount I am willing to spend for the fact, that I don't for example need to wait around in rain or so. And even this guys rip you off, you most probably will not get bankrupt by that mostly. From my view it's not a "big disaster" if you finally need to pay 200 (that's what they mostly try to get as far as I know instead of 20 RMB a taxi for example would charge). But first for most of the guests in Judy's or Manhattan 200 RMB will not really be a big problem and second compared with the taxi fare in Germany, they will finally not even charge more than you would have to pay in Germany for a similar distance. So just take it easy and not worry too much, if you accidentally "tap into that trap". At least we not talk about a rip off like in an illegal massage parlor or Black KTV, where you mostly will loose at least 5 to 10.000 RMB.[/QUOTE]

I'm almost sorry but I have to say it. This is why I complain about the, "Not the best advice," coming from Shanghai Guide. He has a separate agenda because of his commercial web site. If you think they are not aggressive thugs try refusing to pay their 10 times inflated charges. I did once with an "easy going and far from aggressive driver" who didn't put on his meter and he kept me locked in the cab while he phoned his "nice" buddies for help dealing with me. I decided to do like an Alien and started smashing my way out from inside. When he saw how his car door was buckling out he changed his mind and unlocked it. I gave him the proper fare plus 1 rmb and left.

They are thieving thugs and they are dangerous.

Just a quick update for the Spring Massage. Obviously there are different options available depending on the shop. I have visitied the outlet close to Linping Road few times. They offer an 398 RMB maasage which would include the 20 minutes back massage for the beginning and then girls stripping completly, body to body massage (back & front), fake tongue, BBBJ and HJ. All without any further tips required. This week I tried the shop at Madang Road. Here you get the previously described massage for 278 RMB. You still have to buy the oil and tip the girl. I think overall the offer at Linping Road is better.

Is there any massage available close to Xintiandi that offers BBBJ with CIM? Or at least BBBJ with HJ at the end. Need some place to relax during lunch break.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1947887] . I did once with an "easy going and far from aggressive driver" who didn't put on his meter and he kept me locked in the cab while he phoned his "nice" buddies for help dealing with me. I decided to do like an Alien and started smashing my way out from inside. When he saw how his car door was buckling out he changed his mind and unlocked it. I gave him the proper fare plus 1 rmb and left.

They are thieving thugs and they are dangerous.[/QUOTE]Interesting, granted, I have not been in Shanghai for 11 months but I used these black taxis 8-10 times and never a problem. Granted they charged me twice the going rate but I agreed to that before I got in. . It was not enough to argue about. I just got the rate established before I got in.

They dropped me off at the hilton which well lighted with a doorman outside. Maybe that was why I had no issue.