The Truth about AIDS

Facts about HIV and medications

1. The medication used to treat HIV are extremely toxic, so much so, that about 15% of those given them cannot sustain the regimen.

2. Many of the HIV medications used today are failing, this is called resistant HIV. Most scientists feel the virus is much smarter and in the long run will win the battle against the meds being thrown at it. The virus lies dormant deep within the bodies brain and lymph nodes, the virus is changing and mutating constantly! It will always emerge again within its host.

3. There is no way to know for certain the average life expectancy for those who catch HIV today, because the meds have only been out since about 1996. Most sceintists agree it will be about 20 years, for a healthy person who catches HIV and gets very early treatement. If you HIV for years and don't know it, then your life expectency would decrease significantly, as much damage would already be done prior to treatment.

4. Numerous people who began taking the miracle drugs in the mid 90s (protease inhibitors) are either developing resistant strains of HIV, thus seeing treatment failure, and HIV numbers jumping dramatically, or are having serious liver, kidney, cancer, intestinal problems causing death in many cases associated with the side affects the medication they have been taking.

None of us know for certain Magic's overall health status, he is just one of millions of people who have the disease. There are rumors that his liver has begun to have problems. The list of meds he is taking grows every year, due to intense side affects from the drugs he is on. He also appears bloated, and his skin is blotchy. He does not look like the picture of health these days and remember whenever you or I see Magic, he is made up for television, makeup and all.. I guarantee you, his health will deteriorate sooner or later. He is noted for making, more and more frequent doctor's visits also.?? There are also rumors that he recently had to switch drugs for the third time in the past 12 months as the protease inhibitors he has been taking are failing and the virus jumped dramatically, causing a reduction in his T-cell counts. Magic, fails to address these issues publicly.

Dickhead, it's your life, if you really believe HIV is so damn hard to catch, why do you think so many fricken people have it? Because it's so hard to catch right? WRONG buddy!

The WHO, is predicting a huge epidemic of HIV throughout Europe and Asia coming in the next decade. Half of Africa already has it. These disease is not going away and will flourish. It's easier to catch then we have all been lead to believe. There are many strains mutating all the time. Get real and play safe, or die. It's really a rather simple concept.

TANG~!

I never said [b]anything[/b] about how hard or easy it is to [b]catch[/b] AIDS and I never have. I was question your assertion that eveyone who gets it dies. Well, everyone who gets it [b]does[/b] die because the death rate is one per capita, but do they die of AIDS? That is what you haven't supported.

I haven't noticed Magic being blotchy but I will admit I have pretty much given up on the NBA and am watching mostly college hoops. But is he bloated or did he just gain some weight after retiring like most competitive athletes do? Magic's been pretty open about his whole AIDS situation so I would think he would be open about a significant deterioration in his health also. I could be wrong.

To avoid AIDS, either avoid sex or wrap it up. Also don't shoot up drugs or butt fuck. Me, I think if I avoid shooting up and butt fucking, getting BBBJ is an acceptable risk although certainly non-zero. The way they drive down here I'll be lucky to last 20 more years anyway.

But if I get AIDS or any type of cancer, I am not going to take a bunch of drugs that make me feel like shit. I am going to die on my feet and not live on my knees. Same goes for prostate problems. Not gonna take drugs that make me impotent. Gonna live til I die.

This I totally agree with.
As they say, get busy living, or get busy dying! This applies to life in general.

I would never let them cut out my prostate. I'll die with hard-on and a smile, before I live an extra few years with no pecker. Life is about quality and not quantity. I like you wrap it up for everything but receiving oral. I also won't go down on the girls even though I enjoy this a lot. I save that for my regular faithful girlfriends, whom I'm sure have no diseases of any kind.
To me a covered blowjob is not a blowjob at all. I will accept this risk and only this risk, as i agree it is low. However, the possibilities due to blood in the mouth is always there. I have never been into anything anal and have never taken any form of street drugs in my life. The only possible risk I have even taken is receiving oral sex without a condom, this I have done 1000s of times and I do get tested regularly.

TANG~!



Dickehead quote: "I am not going to take a bunch of drugs that make me feel like shit. I am going to die on my feet and not live on my knees. Same goes for prostate problems. Not gonna take drugs that make me impotent. Gonna live til I die."

I have gone down on 100s of hookers and I have gotten a few sore throats that [b]may[/b] have been related. Nothing else. Of course alcohol does help kill germs so I try to keep a fairly high level in my system at all times.

Down here, it is impossible not to eat some of these sweet, sweet girls. I use the rule my brother taught me when I was 14: "If it smells good, eat it."

Certainly the scientific community is divided and they are cases such as Magic wife (and Paul Michael Glazer (Starsky fame)) whose infected partner did don't pass on the virus. BUT until this debate is finalised I am bagging it up EVERY time with pros, never DATY and at my discretion with non-pros. As a p.o.v. we should be balanced when looking at the risks and BTW, I have just received my health card and it is all aok..great :-)

Netsik,

Please don't take this the wrong way.

Your reference for your beliefs is an e-mail you got through a yahoo health group. So what? There are yahoo groups where people will tell you, in all sincerity, that the earth is flat.

Yes, people argue "If HIV causes AIDS, why are there documented cases of AIDS without HIV?"

Good question. Let's also ask, "If the influenza virus causes influenza, why arethere documented cases of influenza without the influenza virus?" The answer is that the diagnosis of a disease like influenza or AIDS is from a bag full of symptoms. And you can get influenze from chemical exposure.

The benzene connection is an interesting one as long as you believe, like people did 20 years ago, that AIDS is a disease of homosexuals. Yeah, homosexuals are exposed the the materials in certain lubes. But the really explosive growth in AIDS infections is among heteros in Africa, India, and China. Not places known for lube use.

The vast majority of people with AIDS have verifiable elevated HIV antigen levels. That is evidence that they have HIV in their systems. The extremely high levels of HIV antigens in those who die shows that their bodies are fighting hard against HIV.

Your quoted message says that the folks with HIV who died of AIDS either took drugs or were unhappy. Well, being sick makes people unhappy. Makes them feel bad. Many such folks will go to a doctor and take drugs. So yes, there are few people who never take drugs and never get unhappy and who have already died of AIDS. The word "already" governs here.

As you pointed out in your first post, "Dr." Hulda Clark is behind lots of the opinions you hold. Check her out on "Quack Watch".
She bases her 'treatments' on her degree as a 'naturopath.' She bought the degree for $695 from a correspondence school (unaccredited) in Clayton, Alabama.

"Dr." Clark also claims to treat all cancers, 100% of them, all patients recover, in 5 days. Also all other diseases. She does this by removing any fillings from your mouth, then administering a purgative. She says this clears up liver fluke (it does not) which along with metal fillings are the source of all disease.

Now think about this: Metal fillings are just a few hundred years old. Was there disease before there were dentists? If so, Clark would seem to be a fraud.

Hot Diggidy Dog,

I fully agree, we are past the "does HIV cause AIDS" debate. Yes it does! It's been proven long ago. However, the college you mention is accredited and the leader in holistic medicinal values in the world. They are for real. Mrs. Clark, is indeed a quack.

My biggest and only fear about HIV, is can you get the disease from receiving a bbbj, (BLOWJOB WITH no CONDOM) I've had quite a few of these in my days and with numerous girls. I do everything else with a condom. I accpet the risk, I just wish I knew for sure, how much risk, I am in fact accpeting?!?!?!

I do get tested every 6 months, for peace of mind, all negative to date. Will my luck run out? About 70% of men who seek out the services of a prostitute, also take their BJ bareback. I just figure is there was a huge risk, many mongers would be coming down with HIV.

I personally think there is a much bigger risk going to a local nightclub and taking home a girl and having unprotected sex with her, then there is getting a BBBJ from a working girl and screwing with a condom on.

Tang~!

GettingTang:

Getting AIDS by BBBJ is certainly possible, but not more likely than your plane crashing. In both of these, you're sure to die, but the chances of facing that deathly situation is tiny enough to be ignored. Briefly, if you're not afraid to use airplanes, you shouldn't be that much afraid of getting a BBBJ.

I had unprotected sex once, and I was scared shitless about catching HIV. I phoned the local AIDS line and asked a few things.. He said, unless you're the one performing the oral sex instead of the one getting it, chances of contracting HIV are extremely slim. Unless your willy, your partner's pussy or ass, or her gums have some open scars, your chances of getting AIDS from an infected woman is less than 2%.

As long as you avoid uncovered anal sex, you have no reason to tremble with fear of AIDS. But then again, I have to give my friendly advice too: Once you get fear strucken by the thought of a possible STD, even seeing your negative test result will cease to help at some point. I lost my health for quite a while because of that, and had to use medication to get back to my mental health.

Right now, if someone pointed a gun at me and told me to either eat a pile of dung or get a BBBJ, I'd certainly eat the pile of dung, although I know the risk of a BBBJ is tiny. Remember even some lesbians end up with HIV, and this is way too serious to leave to chance. You're probably lucky enough not to get the virus, but if you're not, you're dead.. :-(

So you'd better get your sucks covered at least when you're doing a street hooker.



Dickhead:

Magic Johnson never announced whether or not he was cerropositive (?). Which means, some people will carry the virus, but the virus won't be capable of damaging their immune system like it does to normal people. No stats have been taken regarding this issue, but a common wild guess by the authorities say 1 black person in every 300 have this thing, and are basically immune to AIDS. But we white asses are shit out of luck. The same wild guess says 1 white woman out of every 800 is likely to carry this cerropositive gene, while the number in white men is almost funny compared to that. My uncle's friend shot some porn flicks in Germany, caught HIV, and of course he fucked his wife too! Now his wife carries AIDS, but she's as healthy as you and me because the virus can't do shit to her. But if someone fucks her, he'll get the virus and most likely die. And the man is spending his last years as an alive person.. :-( (All these people are pure white arian)

So don't you ever get fooled by the Magic Johnson case, he might be cerropositive, or hell he could even be in it for the sake of advertising and simply lying! You know those people, Britney was a virgin too..



Slightly off-topic, but I also want to share something I learnt while I was afraid and searching about AIDS for that reason. If you get into a suspicious intercourse, and have the fear of having caught AIDS, you can apply for an antibiotic profphilaxy within the first 72 hours following the intercourse. This is basically loading your body with a whole lot of antibiotics, and causing your body to produce so many anticors that the virii will have no chance to reproduce as they'll be busy fighting these anticors. When they can't reproduce enough, they'll fall weak and start dying rapidly. That way, even if you got the virus and there's no medicine to heal it, all the virii in your blood will die and you'll no longer have HIV in your blood. When you go for such a treatment, you have to go under a PCR test every week within the first month, and then a regular Eliza test every 3 months for a year. That way you'll be certain whether the virus has fucked off or is still around. But you have to do this within 72 hours of the intercourse, and take the PCR tests regularly.

PCR test is a test that differs from the regular Eliza in way of seeking out the virus. Eliza searches for the anticors in your blood, which means it won't give a healthy result if you apply it before the time your immune system requires to produce a sufficient number of anticors. PCR test on the other hand, searches directly for the virus itself, and it'll give a healthy result as of the first month after the suspicious intercourse. This test is unfortunately rather expensive, starting from 200 bucks or such. And the antibiotic prophilaxy is nowhere cheaper.

please don't feel like i'm contradicting what you just said...i'm just adding some more to it. :)

post exposure prophylaxis (pep) is quite a risky treatment. not only can it make you pretty darn sick, but it can - possibly - cause more trouble than it solves. like cachondito said, it aims to stop you from contracting the virus with large doses of medication. however, if you are unlucky enough to have the virus survive and you become infected, there is a chance that all that medication could have made the virus more resistant to future treatment. pep is effective, but, like most medications, certainly not 100%.

pep is usually only recommended when you are absolutely, positively sure that the other person was hiv+ (for example in an occupational setting, where a doctor may get a needle stick injury from a known hiv+ patient). unless your doctor is a money-hungry creep, he/she would more than likely talk you out the treatment (or refuse it) after having unprotected sex with a sex worker. (that may be different in countries with very high infection rates among sex workers, i guess). the chances of a man contracting hiv from a woman are really very small and although you shouldn't be complacent about the risks - you shouldn't panic too much, either. you have much, much more chance of catching some other nasty. i would recommend an sti test as soon as possible after having unprotected sex or a broken condom...but pep probably shouldn't be considered as an option.

can i also just add...
yes, with bbbj and unprotected sex the risks to you may be minimal - but please spare a thought for the woman involved. as the receptive partner, it is much easier for us to contract hiv from a client, than it is for a client to get it from us. sex workers are at particular risk of having small tears or irritation inside their vaginas, due to thing like frequent, rough or prolonged sex sessions, recent use of sex toys and regular sti screening (the doctor scrapes around inside when he/she does the tests).
and don't forget that there are probably lots of guys in your area getting bareback services, from a small number of girls. if one of you passes something on - you could all end up getting it.

Cachondito, I believe Magic Johnson did announce he was seriopostive for HIV. I believe his exact words at the time were" "I've tested postive for the HIV virus."

To say he might be lying and making the whole thing up for advertising is absolutely the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

When he tested positive he was at the pinacle of the game which he deeply loved. He had to give up playing basketball and as such has lost over 100 million dollars in salaries, product endorsements, you name it. I don't for a second believe he would give all that up to put his face on HIV.

By your own admission that flying in a plane is just as dangerous if not more so than receieving bbbj; then one must assume that if someone pointed a gun at your head and said get on this airline and fly to Paris or eat this pile of dung -- then you would surely eat the pile of dung.

That whole thing about the guy getting HIV and giving it to his wife and him being sick but not her is non-sensical as well. Everyone has differing lengths of times it takes to start showing symptoms. Some in a year or less and others may take twenty years or more even without treatment. It is well known in the medical establishment that for some reason not everyone dies even from a virus such as HIV. There have also been plenty of white men (aryan as you say for reasons unknown to me, I know of no studies testing non-Jewish causcasians) that have been seriopostive for extended periods of time and have shown no symptoms.

Greetings,

There's one story that I found quite interesting. This happened quite a few years back now, but still seems relevant to the current discussion.

Paul Micheal Glaser (Starsky, from Starsky and Hutch) was married to a woman who caught HIV through a blood transfusion. She was unaware of this fact for several years. I assume that they had a fairly normal sex life and yet, he never caught it from her.

They had unprotected sex for years and he never contracted the virus from his own wife. This would seem to go along with current evidence that normal intercourse isn't a very effective means of transmission.

It would also seem to make sense that a BBBJ wouldn't be very effective either. On the other hand, other factors such as co-infection with other STD's greatly enhance transmission. This is especially true if both partners have some other kind of infection such as chlamydia or herpes.

You could also look at things from a common sense viewpoint. Let's say a prostitute (or any girl) told you straight up that she was HIV positive. Would you still want put your bare cock in her mouth? NO? I didn't think so. It's easy to convince yourself that "she probably doesn't have anything, and even if she did I probably won't get it because it's just a BJ".

I work as a health-care professional. Many of my patients have stuff and you would never guess it. Serious stuff like herpes, HIV as well as Hep C, and those are the ones who are willing to tell me about it.

It's easy for guys to reassure themselves with thoughts about how low the risk is. It's still a risk though.

Rock

Civ2000,

Please post only about stuff you know something about. Your style is rude, and your ignorant approach is appalling.

The woman does have the virus, and she's had it for too long not to show any symptoms. She had PCR tests and all, and the proposed number of the virii in her blood and the T cells have been constant for the last 3 years, which simply means she's cerropositive and not sick withstanding the fact that she was diagnosed as HIV+ 6 years ago. The doctos still advise her to get checked at least annually, but they're pretty sure she's the type that's resistant to HIV. And I'm sure they all know better than you do!

As for Magic Johnson, I didn't say he was lying, I just said it was always a possibility. And he might also be one of those HIV-resistant people just like that woman. Being diagnosed as HIV+ 99% means you'll be six feet under in 12-15 years, but the %1 still exists. And that's what I meant by cerropositive, someone that has the virus but doesn't die.

As for the dung, you can go and eat it if you like. Have you ever heard of the word "analogy"? I meant I wouldn't do it because I was scared shitless of AIDS for quite a while.


CAPITO?

Cachondito, Excuse me but I do know what I'm talking about. I never said the woman wasn't HIV-resistant -- I was merely pointing out that it takes different lengths of time for someone to become sick. For some it can take as little as a year -- for others as long as twenty. Just because after six years she's healthy and he's not doesn't really mean a thing. Where did you come up with the idea that six years is too long to have the virus and not show symptoms?

I know of several white males as well who were diagnosed in the eighties and have yet to develop symptoms or progress into full blown aids. After six years the majority of people with HIV are still symptom-free. Last I heard it took on average 8 to 10 years to progress to the point where they're getting sick. With the anti-viral cocktails that number continues to rise.

With the new drugs very likely you would be alive and well after 12-15 years, just like Magic Johnson. And in 12-15 years there could possibly be more drugs that could further extend your life. At a clinic where I worked I actually heard a doctor say that he would rather have a HIV diagnosis before a HEP C diagnosis as he feels the prognosis is better.

Sure you didn't say Magic lied -- just that possibly he lied. I don't see a lot of difference and you have yet to explain why someone would give up all he did to "possibly lie about having HIV". Doesn't make any sense to me at all. You're the one who brought up the possibility and yet fail to provide even a semi-plausable reason as to why. I've heard many people talk about Magic and AIDS and you're the first one to suggest he might be making the whole thing up.

Also, female to male transmission is difficult even with unprotected anal or vaginal sex. Would I do it? No. But as long as you don't have any breaks in the skin lining your penis (such as with herpes or syphilis) the chances are fairly low. The virus needs direct blood to blood contact and doesn't survive the arduous journey up the male urethra. Of course some skin breaks could be microscopic so I wouldn't test it.

Facts:

Still as it stands right now, if you get HIV, you're probably going to die young. Not as young as you would have ten years ago, but still young.

Most scientists are worried they are doing more harm then good with the current regime of HIV cocktails. Why? Because they are now seeing this little nasty virus mutate faster then they could have anticipated or expected. Most estimate that if a new line of miracle drugs are not down the pipe in 6-8 years, the virus will change to the point, the current drugs are useless.

At the current rate of treatment, which again, most scientists do not believe it will last, one can safely expect to live 20-30 years assuming the following: You are infected in your teens, 20s or 30s and are otherwise healthy. AND you get early treatment! If you are unhealthy, old, catch a resistant strain, or do not catch the virus before it has done significant damge, your pretty much fucked no matter what.

All this aside, the drugs you use to treat HIV, make you lethargic, make your skin a mess, give you cancers, ulcers, liver problems, vision problems, toxic and allergic reactions, In other words, it's not a walk in the park. You will often look more sick, then before you even started the meds!

Most idiotic mongers believe, "oh well, if I catch HIV I'll just go see my doc and get my bag of meds and all will be fine." You are so very wrong. The media really did the youth in America a real disservice when they proclaimed HIV now a chronic disease. True, for 20 years, if, if, if, if, if, all the stuff I mentioned above AND during those 20 years, you will still suffer horrendous side affects from all those meds you will need to take and take FOREVER, you will never be able to escape them!

Last, to be fully honest, this all coming from a guy who has probably received about 2000 BBBJ from a good 400 or so different providers. I always use a condom for fucking, I never have or will do anal and I never go down at the Y. I test for all STDs every 6 months, like clock-work

I believe science has proven that getting the blow job is relatively safe, but giving one, or eating out, is not safe. There are studies that have shown, that going down on a female with no protection has transmitted the virus in as high as 6% of the exposures of known HIV positive cases! Sure, some studies show a far less chance. But it amazes me how many of you guys report about going down on the working girls. Are you guys nuts?

It really comes down to this......................"be safe, or die a miserable young death!"

Tang~!

GettingTang's last post should be the final word on this subject; truer words could not have been spoken!