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Skinless,
You got me worried: all this 'I love this time of year' stuff sometimes ends in a jump to oblivion.
BTW I was told when I was three or four years old that a rhyme rhymes, but now your damned haikus got me all confused - but not jumpin'!
Otto,
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"I have deleted everything I have previously written"
Not reading some posts in their entirety can be fun:D!
Jackson,
I too think that this little brush war has about exhausted itself, and probably needs to be brought to a reasonable conclusion.
It seems obvious that it is largely driven by a clash of strong personalities, and that is unfortunate. One seems to feel a need to moralize and correct others for their perceived abuse of the rules of the board. Others seem to feel that they are being abused by someone who has little connection to to a local board, and who seems to be abusing his claimed frendship with "the Boss."
Some of us feel there appears to be a double standard at work here. On February 28th I posted an intemperate, and unfortunate, post pertaining to one of the principals. That post was rightfully edited as being contrary to the policy of this board. I not only regret having made the post, I have have so stated here publicly already. I learned a lesson, and, hopefully, will be a better member of the board in the future.
But let me quote a PM I received that day shortly after I made that regretable post:
"Please share with me the authorization you have to flame away at other on the board (sic) at people such as myself. I must have missed it when it was first posted." It was signed "Uncle Otto."
All I can say about this entirely forgettable incident is that it seems that there is a double standard at work when a member chastises others, and puts members on report, for their alledged short-comings, and at the same time feels free to fire away at those who might disagree with both his tactics and his attitude.
Perhaps it is time to send all parties to a neutral corner with instructions to take a deep breath, count to ten, and not come out until they can play nice together.
For myself, I have placed a chair in a corner and will write "I will behave in a more respectful manner" 500 times, or until my hand cramps up.
Randy
Dear Friends:
Allow me to be the first to sincerely thank our good uncle Otto for stopping this counter-productive line of exchange. Otto, by doing so you are once again demonstrating to all of us that you are a true GENTLEMAN, acting with HONOR. I also thank LoveLOS for having done the same.
I have had the pleasure of knowing our good uncle, as have many other senior members of this board. His exquisite style has been a source of inspiration for me. There is no doubt in my mind as to the sincerity of his motives, and he has my full support. Although I have never had the honor of seeing LoveLOS in person, my few exchanges with him in the past have been nothing but extremely pleasant and positive. His voluminous contributions to the DC/NOVA board speak for themselves, and I personally have been a beneficiary of them.
In the past few days we have been the unfortunate witnesses to an escalating dispute between these two very well respected and valuable members of the board. Both members have undoubtedly contributed immensely and selflessly in the past, and both believed, with conviction, that their point of view was "right". Of course, in an argument both parties feel that they are "right"; this is the very essence of an argument! For this reason, both argued their point of view with vigor. It is, however, profoundly sad to see a mere disagreement escalate into such hostility. I sincerely believe that there are two main reasons why we are where we are today:
1-There are many inherent limitations in this medium of communication. Humor gets misinterpreted, smiles go unnoticed, facial expressions do not convey, and there is no immediate feedback when one begins to get out of line, etc. A friendly argument that could have ended in a few laughs and handshakes (had it taken place in person) can escalate into a civil war like this.
2-The central question of this debate still remains unresolved. [red][b]Jackson: with a few strokes of the keyboard you have the power to put an end to this and go a long way in preventing similar feuds in the future.[/red][/b] You know what the circumstances are: Our good uncle, out of respect for this board and his desire to be helpful to you has been browsing several areas of the board in which he is not a frequent poster. When he sees material that he deems non-conforming to your standards he gives a warning. If the warning goes unanswered then he refers the post to you. Some senior members of the local boards subject to the above have taken offense, mainly due to the fact that they see this as an undue "outside" influence by an unsanctioned person. [b]May I humbly suggest that you make your views on this known soon?[/b] Friendships are becoming strained, armies are being formed, and Otto says he has been threatened with physical harm (although I highly doubt there was any substance to this threat and firmly believe that it did not originate from LoveLOS).
As much as I wanted to comment publicly on this dispute, I simply did not believe that with only 60 or so posts I have adequate seniority to do so. In addition, I DID see both points of view and could see that no one was completely "right". Now that we hopefully are resolving this dispute please join me in thanking both uncle Otto and LoveLOS for putting a stop to it.
Sexplorer
I have been neutral for the most part in this whole thread. I've asked for calm from all parties, as I believe that "discussions" such as this only undermine the WSG as a whole.
A couple of days ago, I put up a request for a "Pissing Contest" forum so that people who want to have it out with each other don't pollute valuable forums. This request was not a jest. I do believe that some people need to blow off a *little* steam from time to time, without blowing off new or old members.
As for the main combatants in this latest joust, I've seen both of their posts and have no axes to grind in either case. I was rather disturbed that it's gone on as long as it has.
You'll imagine my wonder when I opened my PM box this morning to have this in my box from Uncle Otto:
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Having read your posts on this subject and concerning LoveLOS's complaints, perhaps it would be better to suggest we open up a new thread discussing you, your posting habits, and your personal characteristics?
I didn't ask for somebody to dredge up something from two weeks ago, then start off on an attack mode on me, all for the fact that I occasionally insist people follow the rules of the site and refer flames for review.
Because that's what this whole fucking business is about.
But if you think this proposed new subject is really such a good idea, perhaps we should make you the next person we discuss?
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Let's make this clear, I haven't emailed Otto on anything other than WSG Charities matters. I find this email to be pedantic and insulting. By the way, this email was sent 2 hours after he said, "I'm done posting".
So let's clarify this. Obviously Otto thought I was attacking him by asking for a new forum. (I wasn't, I found both sides needed to calm down, and at least one side did.)
Now that Otto thinks I was attacking him, he threatens to start a flame war with me? While I've always known Otto to have an imperious tone in his messages, I've chalked it up to internet persona and not bad intent.
If Otto removed his posts because they were edited by Jackson, then it seems like it was just a way of hiding the fact. Let's not revise history here.
Now I haven't applied for the job of WSG moderator or forum police or such. I myself have reported a few posts that I thought were spam or inappropriate. I think every member should use the reporting feature with care. Just as it won't endear you to your neighbors for calling the police every time you can hear their music playing.
Just as when I go to Thailand and watch 5 people on a motor scooter and wonder how they don't kill themselves, especially the 2 year old that's in the front and hanging onto the handlebars. I don't call the police and tell them to arrest the driver, however.
Even though all the individual forums are part of the WSG, you do need to understand the local customs. What might be joking in one forum, might be a fist fight on another. Many have forgotten how to behave appropriately, and to treat each other with respect.
I respect both Otto and LoveLOS. I simply ask that they respect each other, and other members.
Oh, and a final thought:
Otto: Imagine being in B.A. at this moment.... You have the option of either heading down to Black, or heading to the Locuteria at the start of the restaurant row to respond to this thread...
LoveLOS: Imagine being in LOS at this moment.... You have the option of gettin your brains @#$*'ed or turning on your laptop and continuing this discussion...
Now, which one of the above would you actually do???? Really????.... I rest my case!
Proof positive that being in the sex prison can take its toll on even the most senior of the mongers!
Jaimito Cartero:
I apologize for writing you a [b]Private[/b] Message when offended by a post of yours.
My mistake.
Next time instead of sending such a complaint privately, in order to avoid the possibility of public nastiness and unpleasantness, I will follow the recent fad. I will instead open up a public thread about how I was offended by your post, and invite other posters to jump all over you as well, about how they might also be offended or not.
Turnabout is fair play, yes?
By the way, I am pretty offended that you would ask me for advice about where in Buenos Aires you can find women for sex who will not be [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. It's been a while since you asked me, but hey, I'm still offended by the thought. But even though I was offended by this, I still cheerfully provided you with the requested information. I won't make that error again. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue].
Finally, since you ask, I removed all my posts about that [i]other[/i] subject in an attempt to dial back the nastiness on this board (yes, Jackson did edit my use of the word "degenerate" from one of the posts, this is true). But despite this intent to stop the nastiness (at least the nastiness which is not directed at me - [i]that[/i] seems to continue unabated), it seems that you're intent on continuing attacks on me. Congratulations, you've proven that so far as I am concerned, no good deed goes unpunished.
But now we have the new subject to discuss: [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. So I'll confine my comments to this new subject and leave that old one to the history books.
With highest respect for all your efforts on behalf of WSG, Jaimito,
Sincerely
Uncle Otto
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Jackson,
I was not aware of the fact that PMs are for offending fellow members.
Is it now so that one can not offend someone on the board but that one can in a PM?
Go back three days and note, Freeler, that I didn't start this whole business of being "pubicly" offended.
If I have something to say which is less than completely complimentary of another poster, I generally send a PM.
You've now got one yourself.
I get them on occasion too, though almost none from the contributors to this thread who are so concerned with my posting history - they generally were too busy typing up public attacks on me to take the time to send me a PM.
However, I don't post the PMs I get because I recognize that they are [b]Private[/b] Messages.
With certain people, however, I see that I need to be more open with my thoughts. After all, they started all this by being quite open with what they think about me and what they'd like to do to me!
Cheers
Uncle Otto
Otto,
For someone who professes to be solely interested in the good of the board as well as someone who said he was through with discussing this matter, you sure have a helluva lot to say.
Additionally, your two most recent posts here seem to me to be flaming, especially your personal remarks indicating that another member is obese, etc etc.
You still seem to miss the point EVERYONE has been trying to make to you and that is no one seems to have any problem with Jackson making the rules and the results of breaking them; rather the problem people have is your attitude and your unilateral decision to judge what is and is not a flame or an infraction of the rules, taking it upon yourself without authorization to then warn the offender, and then finally to tattle.
That's where people are having issues with you, period. Concentrate in not doing those things and I believe this will all blow away in the wind.
As far as people posting your PM's, hey, that's the chance you take!
Ah, Trashman: his posts are a good subject to discuss. Yes, I want to file a complaint about TrashMan. I'm gravely offended by his posts, all the while having the utmost respect for his outstanding contributions.
He consistently attacks new posters when they post questions. Rather than urging them to read the forum archives, he takes it upon himself to administer rough justice and abuse. Spanking people who he doesn't like. Acting like Lord of D.C. If you have an opinion different from his, expect to get slammed. And to top it off he's a poster desperately trying to get face-to-face time with me for reasons known only to him.
And if you urge him to dial it back a bit, expect to have a friend of his post multiple attack posts against you.
But lo! Urging TrashMan to behave like a gentleman is inflammatory. We must let him post whatever he wants, according to the local custom which he inaugurated, flaming whomever and whenever he wants. After all, he's TrashMan, and I'm just some guy who urges the board to follow Jackson's rules.
I didn't start this thread, TrashMan. Your bud did. But I'll be damned if I am now going to be "muzzled" by anonymous threats to my safety and nasty attack posts which aren't quite so anonymous. But less about me. I've said my piece about myself and have nothing more to say on that subject.
So - let's turn our focus for a while on [b]YOUR[/b] posting history. As mentioned, turnabout is fair play.
-Uncle Otto
Ouuch! So much for the supposed Brotherhood . . .
Peace, Please . . . -P
Ah, TrashMan and his valuable posts.
[url=http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=177733#post177733]Here's one from Baltimore![/url]
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Here's another of TrashMan's valuable posts:
[url=http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=181729#post181729]From Washington, D.C.[/url]
[quote]Originally posted by TrashMan
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Yes, TrashMan thinks I have a problem for having urged him to stop flaming.
Here's one more example of TrashMan's valuable contributions to this forum:
[url=http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=183100#post183100]Here's one from Northern Virginia[/url]
[quote]Originally posted by TrashMan
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Hey, I want to complain about Reverend J.T. Skinless.
His posts make it hard for me to read the rest of the board because I'm doubled over laughing.
Oh! Stop the [Haiku] insanity!!! :D