Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[QUOTE=Dena0;2226894]Is abortion a no-no in Thai society? Or is it fairly commonly used?[/QUOTE]I have an ex girlfriend who has a six month old daughter. I broke up with her more than a year ago and she called me out of the blue to tell me she was pregnant with a local guy who deserted her as soon as she told him. She was not asking for money, but some advice from a father figure (yes, I know). I asked her what were her options. She was in a very dire position.

She was about six weeks pregnant and I asked her about an abortion, she said that this option was not negotiable at all, it was completely against Buddhist teachings. She was resigned to having the baby, but she was extremely resentful of the position she was in. She eventually accepted it and gave birth. She now is a content and happy mother and absolutely devoted to her daughter. Her father died three years ago and she lives on the farm with her mother and sister. I help her a little. She has grown up and she has matured greatly since we were together.

So, I think many Thais would not look kindly on abortion.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2226866] how rare if not practically unheard of in their observation for demonstrably heterosexual men who don't share needles to have acquired HIV .[/QUOTE]There most certainly are HIV infected heterosexual men. It's simply a question of how much risk there is and whether she wants to take whatever that risk is by having BBFS with a stranger she has just met. I accept this is greatly reduced when results of a recent test are available.

I also accept you have found lots of ladies from all strata of society who took this risk but in my opinion they are foolish and furthermore I suggest they only do so to please the man which can be for any number of ulterior motives from desperation for a mate, loneliness, horniness, money and yes also out of ignorance.

I am not judging anybody, simply stating the reality that there are risks associated with BBFS for both parties and despite your own experiences I still believe really smart health conscious women aware of these risks are unlikely to go BBFS until they are much more acquainted with the guy.

[QUOTE=Mostek6502;2227017]So, I think many Thais would not look kindly on abortion.[/QUOTE]I think it is more of a personal decision like almost everywhere else and not a cultural one. A friend of mine was recently pregnant by an American guy. I told her if she was not married then she did not need to have the baby. She argued with me that maybe they would marry later and they loved each other, etc. She never argued that abortion was not acceptable. When she got to be 5 months pregnant the guy disappeared. Then she told me that she did not want to have the baby. Pretty much too late then. All I could do was say I told you so, especially after the baby was born in May and she has been struggling since. She said yes you were right.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2227029]I think it is more of a personal decision like almost everywhere else and not a cultural one. A friend of mine was recently pregnant by an American guy. I told her if she was not married then she did not need to have the baby. She argued with me that maybe they would marry later and they loved each other, etc. She never argued that abortion was not acceptable. When she got to be 5 months pregnant the guy disappeared. Then she told me that she did not want to have the baby. Pretty much too late then. All I could do was say I told you so, especially after the baby was born in May and she has been struggling since. She said yes you were right.[/QUOTE]To quote the Dalai Lama from the NY Times, 11/28/1993.

Of course, abortion, from a Buddhist viewpoint, is an act of killing and is negative, generally speaking. But it depends on the circumstances.

If the unborn child will be retarded or if the birth will create serious problems for the parent, these are cases where there can be an exception. I think abortion should be approved or disapproved according to each circumstance.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227035]If the unborn child will be retarded or if the birth will create serious problems for the parent, these are cases where there can be an exception. I think abortion should be approved or disapproved according to each circumstance.[/QUOTE]For me, if you can't take care of a child then you have no business having one. It is really unfair for the child to be born into a situation as such. I explained that to my own daughter. She decided to have my grandkids anyway. But of course I live in a country where the government gives women free stuff when they can't take care of their kids and throws men in jail when they can't take care of theirs. So my daughter does just fine with the government's help.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2226594]These are just some interesting facts to reflect on.

1. The first post in "Stupid Shit in Medellin was made by Admin and says "I've been trying to use the Medellin forum while I'm here and for some reason some of you guys seem to think that criticizing or reviewing other guys posts on the pussy threads is what this forum is about. It's not, and doing that creates and environment that inhibits growth of the forum because seriously people don't want to deal with your bullshit. ".

2. Wikipedia defines an internet troll as "In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community. "

3. So far this thread has 131 or so posts.

4. 36 of the 131 posts expresses negativity towards me, Monkeypaw.

5. 15 of the total 36 negative comments come from one user..[/QUOTE]Point proven MP. I'm in the Angeles City thread and it's the same problem. Some posters are now complaining about how off topic conversations and the comments are. There are threads with assigned titles like "General Discussions, Politics" but some guys seem to just want to use the main thread like Bangkok or Angeles City to flood random conversations unrelated to sex or hookers. I guess this is like trolling as well. It distracts from the purpose of a information sex board. Hopefully something can be done to change this. Prayers maybe.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2227049]For me, if you can't take care of a child then you have no business having one. It is really unfair for the child to be born into a situation as such. I explained that to my own daughter. She decided to have my grandkids anyway. But of course I live in a country where the government gives women free stuff when they can't take care of their kids and throws men in jail when they can't take care of theirs. So my daughter does just fine with the government's help.[/QUOTE]Same situation. Just a few days ago, my daughter just had a child from some guy who's currently in prison and is now currently living in a shelter. I gave her a few options but she's a stubborn fuck like her mother. If she wants to do things her way, she can go right the hell on ahead. Reality is a hard pill to swallow.

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I am not judging anybody, simply stating the reality that there are risks associated with BBFS for both parties and despite your own experiences I still believe really smart health conscious women aware of these risks are unlikely to go BBFS until they are much more acquainted with the guy.[/QUOTE]There are risks involved period. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. Picked myself up a hottie tonight that had way too many free tequila shots that the bar gives the girl to loosen them up. And we all know what happens with lose women. Take a step back, other areas the women keep a close watch on the activities. Here the lights are out, the girl is feeling very relaxed ie drunk and there's no telling if the guy really had on an intact condom. She feels something and is satisfied. With the next customer the same thing might happen. Over and over again. Guy isn't spending $60 in lady drinks for no reason at all. Hundreds of drunk gogo girls walking out of the club every night needing to earn a bit more cash, what are the chances she doses off without checking for protection. Accept the risks associated with this hobby, there's a reason why this part of Asia is ripe for catching something. I'm not preaching safe sex at all, quite the opposite. Accept that every point might have a shark in it and deal with it however you feel it needs to be dealt with. Well written responses won't save your ass.

Next time your about to get it on and pull out the condom, pay attention to detail for a change. Notice how the girl didn't inspect the package? Didn't bother to check the condoms integrity. Just accepted that the condom was a normal condom when in fact it was anything but. Girl can want to practice safe sex but when you add liquor, overnight stays and dark rooms to the mix anything goes. She didn't check your condom then she didn't check the condom if the guy who cut off the tip.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2227018]
I am not judging anybody, simply stating the reality that there are risks associated with BBFS for both parties and despite your own experiences I still believe really smart health conscious women aware of these risks are unlikely to go BBFS until they are much more acquainted with the guy.[/QUOTE]The reality is the BBFS women are taking a significantly higher risk than the guy. Mean number of fucks to catch it from a HIV person are much lower. Circumcision could reduce risk for guy even further. I have a BBFS regular, and am completely honest with her. However she knows guys in general, will lie about how many or which girls they did BB with, or have condom accidents, and hence is ultra suspicious, requiring a regular blood test. If the guy did the odd girl BB the risk is pretty low, but of course there is far more emotional thoughts about HIV than knowing exactly the technical risks.

If I did needles, gays, LBs, etc. I sure she would be doing anything with me at all.

Needles and BB ass fucking remain far greater risks, and quite hard to identify males that really caught HIV another way, and they can easily be lying about exactly what they did. There are probably a lot more likely ways to die. Plenty of studies showed persons did not catch it from their HIV partner with certain safer practices. E. g. I think DATY was considered pretty safe. We don't use protection for that and is unlikely to be needed. I think it is possible to catch Chlamydia from a BBBJ (although rare) and that is how I believe I got it once.

For all those village kids, who lost both parents to HIV, would be interesting to know the percentages of the causes, if could be obtained truthfully. Could be a high percentage of cases where needles were involved at least for the guy. Could be that some of the women were ass fucked, using wild speculation, although they could catch it from BBFS. It really isn't that easy for the male partner to get it, one would think, if he is not a bisexual and not a drug user. Can be the male caught from his wife too, but that might be less than 10% of the cases. If fuck the HIV person BBFS enough times, eventually the risks catch up with you or just get unlucky.

I imagine that older guys are thinking that they have only so many years left anyway, so why not enjoy, taking a few faint risks. There are riskier things, like how many Farangs joined the Pattaya Flying Club, "jumping" (or being jumped) off tall buildings. How many guys caught HIV from a blood transfusion? I certainly met at least one Hemophiliac (spelling) years ago that got HIV from blood transfusion. Blood banks don't want any guys that do hookers, but I am not sure that hookers are actually riskier than non P4P population.

I theorise that doing BBFS with a very small number of well known women, is less risky that BB with any girl that is always willing as a matter of course. Early days in Thailand I was less careful as had no wife to pass on any type of STD. So that is the vastly bigger risk. Catching any type of very transmittable STD, and passing on to GF, wife, etc. HIV gets an unproportionate amount of the publicity. There are plenty of STDs including ones I never heard of before.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2227018]There most certainly are HIV infected heterosexual men. It's simply a question of how much risk there is and whether she wants to take whatever that risk is by having BBFS with a stranger she has just met. I accept this is greatly reduced when results of a recent test are available.

I also accept you have found lots of ladies from all strata of society who took this risk but in my opinion they are foolish and furthermore I suggest they only do so to please the man which can be for any number of ulterior motives from desperation for a mate, loneliness, horniness, money and yes also out of ignorance.

I am not judging anybody, simply stating the reality that there are risks associated with BBFS for both parties and despite your own experiences I still believe really smart health conscious women aware of these risks are unlikely to go BBFS until they are much more acquainted with the guy.[/QUOTE]I agree. In fact, I would and have gone even further than you and others in my postings regarding if you're going to go bareback, do it as safely and with as much consideration for your partners as possible.

I will repeat now what I have posted several times, almost as many times as the subject has come up, that IF you are going to indulge in a life of bareback fucking, I strongly recommend you get yourself circumcised, get a vasectomy, don't go bareback unless you have a current (within 1-2 months) negative HIV + other STI blood test result document from a qualified clinic, avoid any obvious visual or otherwise seriously problematic and suspiciously unhealthy vaginas, keep every pertinent body part well lubed at all times, avoid as much as possible prolonged "rough" kinds of sexual activities that might cause skin abrasions, always roll out of bed and wash your package with soapy water within minutes after finishing and take a leak (avoiding the Code Word trigger here) soon after.

IMO, for men who routinely engage in bareback fucking AS WELL AS the occasional "forgetting" to wear a condom, being "too drunk" to wear a condom or that the girl "didn't ask me" to wear a condom guys, those pro-active measures and actions that I have taken and that I strongly recommend other barebackers take are the only true technical means to avoid catching as well as infecting your sexual partners with anything nasty along with avoiding unplanned pregnancy.

Understanding and appreciating the reasons women take all kinds of physical and emotional risks with a man and he with her, being more acquainted with the man and he with her, etc. are all nice additions to the mix. But nothing compares with taking those actual pro-active actions and measures I listed above and have repeated several times previously. If anything, those pro-active measures very much trump any well-meaning effort of most guys I have ever known who say they always try to use a condom and so should everyone else. IMO, they are letting themselves off easy with that approach compared to the far more effective pro-active measures they could take instead.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227275]I imagine
I theorise.[/QUOTE]I know. I went up to Nan (north of see Mai) years ago when the hookers there were supposed to have a 75% infection rate. I also read BS about the low risks for makes of catching the clap and got an awful dose in Pattaya, in part as a result of that unscientific advice. There are real risks out there and mercurial theories do not change them. Junkies, bisexuals, homosexuals and ladyboys have high rates. You don't have to be a genius to see how that ups the infection rate in places like Pattaya.

Theories like these are like the Buddhism of the Pattaya hookers, who believe sacrificing a chicken will cure them. The Pattaya "Buddhists" might be more scientific.

The risks are real. Deal with them and be careful about what you read on the Net.

I'm adopting a new approach: bonking airline cabin crew who are glad of the extra $$, more so the Americans who are taxed on their per dime but not on what I pay. I figure the risks are lower as they are unprepared, are only doing one customer a day (I have my suspicions about yesterday's stack them high bonk) and they have to be uber careful). I get a good rate too and so far, so good.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2227301]I strongly recommend other barebackers take are the only true technical means to avoid catching as well as infecting your sexual partners with anything nasty along with avoiding unplanned pregnancy.

Understanding and appreciating the reasons women take all kinds of physical and emotional risks with a man and he with her, being more acquainted with the man and he with her, etc. are all nice additions to the mix. But nothing compares with taking those actual pro-active actions and measures I listed above and have repeated several times previously. If anything, those pro-active measures very much trump any well-meaning effort of most guys I have ever known who say they always try to use a condom and so should everyone else. IMO, they are letting themselves off easy with that approach compared to the far more effective pro-active measures they could take instead.[/QUOTE]You start to get carried away here. I don't see which measure you mention can help the girl not get pregnant.

Also you seem to claim your measures are more effective than a condom, which is extremely fanciful and I doubt there is any evidence for it. Condoms ARE known to be effective against HIV. I don't see any reason to belittle those using a condom at all. They are going to be at less risk of catching many diseases and obviously less likely to cause a pregnancy, one of the highest risks.

I never ever got any girl pregnant, however it must be that some guys are causing unwanted pregnancies somehow, and there are girls claiming to take precautions of some sort that were not effective. After a condom accident I did make sure the girl took other precautions, and naturally condom accidents are fairly rare if lube is used properly and ensure no air bubbles when putting it on, with good technique. For marathon fucks it can be necessary to change the condom. I don't like condoms sure, but put up with some thin Japanese ones, that I supply myself. I have cancelled with girls insisting to use her own thick or wrong sized condom. Would probably be useless for me. Fortunately 98% of girls are O.K. with my condoms, and maybe 99% for Thais. I have definitely met a few Thai girls that accidentally had a baby from a non Thai man, probably a customer in each case. Even more met hookers stupidly getting pregnant to Thai boys, with boy often doing a runner to a new girl at some point. Teenage pregnancies are high, and abortions low. Why would a hooker be so stupid as to have a baby? Hard to fathom. Why not wait?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227275]The reality is the BBFS women are taking a significantly higher risk than the guy. Mean number of fucks to catch it from a HIV person are much lower.[/QUOTE]In addition, over the long term, a typical working girl has an order of magnitude more partners than an typical punter, even if he's unusually active.

In my opinion, given the higher risk of HIV for the women, this makes a man demanding BBFS from a sex worker selfish and borderline abusive. Sure, there's usually semi-informed consent, but regardless of that, condoms are such an exceedingly simple solution that reduce the risk to the girl from substantial to negligible.

Even if I'm fully capable of convincing someone to voluntarily cross the street blindfolded for money, should I really be doing that?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227412] I don't like condoms sure, but put up with some thin Japanese ones, that I supply myself. I have cancelled with girls insisting to use her own thick or wrong sized condom. Would probably be useless for me. Fortunately 98% of girls are O.K. with my condoms, and maybe 99% for Thais.

Why would a hooker be so stupid as to have a baby? Hard to fathom. Why not wait?[/QUOTE]I have been using Sagami 0. 01 for nearly a decade now, and in all these years I have not met a single girl who has insisted on using her own condom. 95% of the girls would be from South East Asia or North Asia. The remaining 5% might be from other random places where my travels have taken me. I do not fancy white girls at all, including Eastern European girls. That kind of narrows down my target.

As for hookers getting pregnant, if the father is a foreigner, the baby becomes a passport to freedom and security. If your reference is to the local men, then I am as baffled as you are.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227412]You start to get carried away here. I don't see which measure you mention can help the girl not get pregnant.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE][b]Me[/b]=IF you are going to indulge in a life of bareback fucking, I strongly recommend you

(list) get a vasectomy[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE][b]Syzygies=[/b]Also you seem to claim your measures are more effective than a condom, which is extremely fanciful and I doubt there is any evidence for it. Condoms ARE known to be effective against HIV. I don't see any reason to belittle those using a condom at all. They are going to be at less risk of catching many diseases and obviously less likely to cause a pregnancy, one of the highest risks.[/QUOTE]Nevermind "seem", I'll come right out and say it bluntly; when I am 10 minutes away from bareback fucking a girl, being circumcised, having had a vasectomy and with a 1 month old negative HIV and other STI test result document in my possession, I will be safer for that girl in terms of preventing pregnancy and not infecting her with something life alteringly serious than the vast majority of punters she is likely to have ever been with. And, were any of them in my position, might now be fumbling with a condom wrapper, if they remember it, aren't too drunk or she has requested and insisted on it. The measures I have taken in order to make sure she will not get pregnant or catch a life altering bug and that I strongly recommend to anyone who is indulging in bareback fucking of various women, will not "slip off", will not "break", will not "tear", will not be "forgotten" in a state of drunkenness or uncontrollable horniness, will not go away because the girl "didn't ask me" to wear a condom and on and on.

In all likelihood, she has never met or been with a man who is circumcised, has had a vasectomy AND is in possession of a current negative blood check result document other than me. I have never sat next to a man in Thailand where the subject has come up who could claim to have just those three known significant precautions on his side as we are both heading out for a night of bar hopping. Those three measures alone make me one of the safest men to have sex with tonight, bareback or not, in all of Bangkok. LOL. And that isn't even mentioning the other safety factors I listed.

Show of hands, and we're obviously on the honor system here, how many guys reading this thread can say they at this moment have taken just those three precautions while at the same time has or would go bareback tonight if the girl was fine with it or can absolutely guarantee their condom will be used 100% properly and stay intact without slipping, tearing, breaking or failing?

The precautions the condom guy is using will only work if he uses them properly every time and they never fail. In fact, for preventing pregnancy, my vasectomy is 20 times more effective than his condom even if he uses it properly 100% of the time (I read that on one of those condom info pamphlets inside the box. LOL). My precautions work whether I give them a thought or not, whether I'm shit-faced drunk or not, whether I'm overwhelmed with horniness or only middling into it, whether I'm clumsy and nervous or sharp as a tack and, moreover, whether I'm with someone who would prefer I use a condom or not.