Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[QUOTE=Fish N Chips; 1195282]If you looked at the numbers the good old USA has 8 per million HIV and Thailand has LESS than 1 per-Million.

Liberal propaganda *[/QUOTE]You talking total HIV infections? If so, you may want to redo your math.

1 mil in US infected
total population 300, 000, 000
3,000 of every one million infected.

500, 000 in Thailand infected
total population 70, 000, 000
7,000 of every one miliion infected

As far as the % of your chances of getting it, you can toss that shit to the wind.
Bottom line:
Is it possible you could get HIV sleeping with one girl. Yes
Is it possible you could sleep with 1000's of girls and never get it. Yes

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1195465]As far as the % of your chances of getting it, you can toss that shit to the wind.

Bottom line:

Is it possible you could get HIV sleeping with one girl. Yes.

Is it possible you could sleep with 1000's of girls and never get it. Yes[/QUOTE]It is "possible" to be struck by lightning today or win the multi million dollar lotto. But to consider the "chances" of those things happening or getting HIV from various activities like condom or bareback sexual intercourse is not an unreasonable mental exercise. For example, for a few random thoughts on the subject:

"Once again I will point out that CFS is far more dangerous than BBBJs. Ever heard of HIV? Hello? So instead of the OP asking SP's if they are reconsidering offering the latter, it would have made more sense to ask them if any intend to cease practicing the former. While that would have made more sense, safety wise, since it is way safer to offer BBBJs instead of CFS, it won't happen because it would make less cents. Obviously money, not safety, is the bottom line for SPs. Being a hooker is a very high risk profession."

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"They deteriorate in even the best of conditions, but even more rapidly in extremely cold or hot situations. Condom wrappers recommend storing the product at temperatures between 59 and 88 degrees Fahrenheit. One researcher found that, at major condom distribution points in New Jersey and New York, boxes of condoms were left outdoors in the ice and snow during the dead of winter. During the summer months, the researcher took photographs of eggs frying on the floors of dozens of trucks and containers where condoms were stored in temperatures exceeding 180 degrees. [5] High temperatures cause oxidation and freezing temperatures cause crystallization in some of the chemical compounds that make up condoms, leading to cracking, drying, shrinking and drastic loss of flexibility and strength. Keep in mind that condoms exported from the United States sit in uninsulated shipping containers in extreme weather conditions for even longer periods of time; , ___.

", Bodily secretions can get around and over a condom even if it performs perfectly."

[url]http://www.hli.org/index.php/the-case-against-condoms/320?task=view[/url]

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1211723]It is "possible" to be struck by lightning today or win the multi million dollar lotto. But to consider the "chances" of those things happening or getting HIV from various activities like condom or bareback sexual intercourse is not an unreasonable mental exercise. For example, for a few random thoughts on the subject:

"Once again I will point out that CFS is far more dangerous than BBBJs. Ever heard of HIV? Hello? So instead of the OP asking SP's if they are reconsidering offering the latter, it would have made more sense to ask them if any intend to cease practicing the former. While that would have made more sense, safety wise, since it is way safer to offer BBBJs instead of CFS, it won't happen because it would make less cents. Obviously money, not safety, is the bottom line for SPs. Being a hooker is a very high risk profession."

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"They deteriorate in even the best of conditions, but even more rapidly in extremely cold or hot situations. Condom wrappers recommend storing the product at temperatures between 59 and 88 degrees Fahrenheit. One researcher found that, at major condom distribution points in New Jersey and New York, boxes of condoms were left outdoors in the ice and snow during the dead of winter. During the summer months, the researcher took photographs of eggs frying on the floors of dozens of trucks and containers where condoms were stored in temperatures exceeding 180 degrees. [5] High temperatures cause oxidation and freezing temperatures cause crystallization in some of the chemical compounds that make up condoms, leading to cracking, drying, shrinking and drastic loss of flexibility and strength. Keep in mind that condoms exported from the United States sit in uninsulated shipping containers in extreme weather conditions for even longer periods of time; , ___.

", Bodily secretions can get around and over a condom even if it performs perfectly."

[url]http://www.hli.org/index.php/the-case-against-condoms/320?task=view[/url][/QUOTE]You'd be better off sourcing a more legitimate website. Something that has more of a specialized case study of condoms and hiv not some pro life religious affiliated organization

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1211887]You'd be better off sourcing a more legitimate website. Something that has more of a specialized case study of condoms and hiv not some pro life religious affiliated organization[/QUOTE]I've read a lot of so-called "legitimate websites" re condoms, but I've never seen the comments made about condoms that the one I just quoted did. In fact, I've never seen anyone anywhere say something like that. If a point is of interest or something that I'm curious about feedback on, I'll often post it to see if anyone can refute it or has anything of substance to say about it. Whether or not that point comes from a site by Satanists, Nuns, Geeks, or whatever is of little to no importance to me, although I'll usually site the source anyway. So it's all about learning rather than being nit picky.

I personally don't worry about HIV because I always use condoms. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, if you do get them, are curable.

The only think left to worry about, IMO, is herpes.

It's quite contagious. It's very widespread. You have it for life. Condoms offer no real protection from it.

When you see that around 1 in 3-4 Americans has genital herpes. People that on average probably have much less than 30 partners in their lifetime. Then what does that say about how many hookers are infected, given that they fuck hundreds or thousands of dudes? It should be a very high percentage.

I would like to see your thoughts on this.

And if experienced guys have been at this hobby for a long time, without catching it, I would like to hear from them too.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1229674]I personally don't worry about HIV because I always use condoms. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, if you do get them, are curable.

The only think left to worry about, IMO, is herpes.

It's quite contagious. It's very widespread. You have it for life. Condoms offer no real protection from it.[/QUOTE]Hepatitis?

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1229674]I personally don't worry about HIV because I always use condoms. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, if you do get them, are curable.

The only think left to worry about, IMO, is herpes. It's quite contagious. It's very widespread. You have it for life. Condoms offer no real protection from it.

When you see that around 1 in 3-4 Americans has genital herpes. People that on average probably have much less than 30 partners in their lifetime. Then what does that say about how many hookers are infected, given that they fuck hundreds or thousands of dudes? It should be a very high percentage. I would like to see your thoughts on this. And if experienced guys have been at this hobby for a long time, without catching it, I would like to hear from them too.[/QUOTE]"Genital herpes is a common STD, and most people with genital herpes infection do not know they have it.

You can get genital herpes even if your partner shows no signs of the infection.

If you have any symptoms (like a sore on your genitals, especially one that periodically recurs) laboratory tests can help determine if you have genital herpes.

There is no cure for herpes, but treatment is available to reduce symptoms and decrease the risk of transmission to a partner."

Source: [url]http://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/[/url]

Treatments: L-lysine, Valtrex (Valaciclovir) , Virogon, acyclovir.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aciclovir[/url]

[url]http://www.mims.com/Thailand/drug/info/Virogon/Virogon[/url]%20tab.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valaciclovir[/url]

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysine[/url]

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1229674]I personally don't worry about HIV because I always use condoms. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, if you do get them, are curable.

The only think left to worry about, IMO, is herpes.

It's quite contagious. It's very widespread. You have it for life. Condoms offer no real protection from it.

When you see that around 1 in 3-4 Americans has genital herpes. People that on average probably have much less than 30 partners in their lifetime. Then what does that say about how many hookers are infected, given that they fuck hundreds or thousands of dudes? It should be a very high percentage.

I would like to see your thoughts on this.

And if experienced guys have been at this hobby for a long time, without catching it, I would like to hear from them too.[/QUOTE]Sorry but I think one on your list is wrong! Is Hiv curable now?

LBM

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229674]--The only think left to worry about, IMO, is herpes.[/QUOTE]A bit more from the CDC:

Genital Herpes.

What is genital herpes?

Genital herpes is a sexually transmitted disease (STD) caused by the herpes simplex viruses type 1 (HSV-1) or type 2 (HSV-2). Most genital herpes is caused by HSV-2. Most individuals have no or only minimal signs or symptoms from HSV-1 or HSV-2 infection. When signs do occur, they typically appear as one or more blisters on or around the genitals or rectum. The blisters break, leaving tender ulcers (sores) that may take two to four weeks to heal the first time they occur. Typically, another outbreak can appear weeks or months after the first, but it almost always is less severe and shorter than the first outbreak. Although the infection can stay in the body indefinitely, the number of outbreaks tends to decrease over a period of years.

How common is genital herpes?

Results of a nationally representative study show that genital herpes infection is common in the United States. Nationwide. 16. 2, or about one out of six, people 14 to 49 years of age have genital HSV-2 infection. Over the past decade, the percentage of Americans with genital herpes infection in the USA has remained stable.

Genital HSV-2 infection is more common in women (approximately one out of five women 14 to 49 years of age) than in men (about one out of nine men 14 to 49 years of age). Transmission from an infected male to his female partner is more likely than from an infected female to her male partner.

How do people get genital herpes?

HSV-1 and HSV-2 can be found in and released from the sores that the viruses cause, but they also are released between outbreaks from skin that does not appear to have a sore. Generally, a person can only get HSV-2 infection during sexual contact with someone who has a genital HSV-2 infection. Transmission can occur from an infected partner who does not have a visible sore and may not know that he or she is infected.

HSV-1 can cause genital herpes, but it more commonly causes infections of the mouth and lips, so-called 'fever blisters. ' HSV-1 infection of the genitals can be caused by oral-genital or genital-genital contact with a person who has HSV-1 infection. Genital HSV-1 outbreaks recur less regularly than genital HSV-2 outbreaks.

What are the signs and symptoms of genital herpes?

Most people infected with HSV-2 are not aware of their infection. However, if signs and symptoms occur during the first outbreak, they can be quite pronounced. The first outbreak usually occurs within two weeks after the virus is transmitted, and the sores typically heal within two to four weeks. Other signs and symptoms during the primary episode may include a second crop of sores, and flu-like symptoms, including fever and swollen glands. However, most individuals with HSV-2 infection never have sores, or they have very mild signs that they do not even notice or that they mistake for insect bites or another skin condition.

People diagnosed with a first episode of genital herpes can expect to have several (typically four or five) outbreaks (symptomatic recurrences) within a year. Over time these recurrences usually decrease in frequency. It is possible that a person becomes aware of the "first episode" years after the infection is acquired.

What are the complications of genital herpes?

Genital herpes can cause recurrent painful genital sores in many adults, and herpes infection can be severe in people with suppressed immune systems. Regardless of severity of symptoms, genital herpes frequently causes psychological distress in people who know they are infected.

In addition, genital HSV can lead to potentially fatal infections in babies. It is important that women avoid contracting herpes during pregnancy because a newly acquired infection during late pregnancy poses a greater risk of transmission to the baby. If a woman has active genital herpes at delivery, a cesarean delivery is usually performed. Fortunately, infection of a baby from a woman with herpes infection is rare.

Herpes may play a role in the spread of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Herpes can make people more susceptible to HIV infection, and it can make HIV-infected individuals more infectious.

How is genital herpes diagnosed?

The signs and symptoms associated with HSV-2 can vary greatly. Health care providers can diagnose genital herpes by visual inspection if the outbreak is typical, and by taking a sample from the sore (s) and testing it in a laboratory. HSV infections can be diagnosed between outbreaks by the use of a blood test. Blood tests, which detect antibodies to HSV-1 or HSV-2 infection, can be helpful, although the results are not always clear-cut.

Is there a treatment for herpes?

There is no treatment that can cure herpes, but antiviral medications can shorten and prevent outbreaks during the period of time the person takes the medication. In addition, daily suppressive therapy for symptomatic herpes can reduce transmission to partners.

How can herpes be prevented?

The surest way to avoid transmission of sexually transmitted diseases, including genital herpes, is to abstain from sexual contact, or to be in a long-term mutually monogamous relationship with a partner who has been tested and is known to be uninfected.

Genital ulcer diseases can occur in both male and female genital areas that are covered or protected by a latex condom, as well as in areas that are not covered. Correct and consistent use of latex condoms can reduce the risk of genital herpes.

Persons with herpes should abstain from sexual activity with uninfected partners when lesions or other symptoms of herpes are present. It is important to know that even if a person does not have any symptoms he or she can still infect sex partners. Sex partners of infected persons should be advised that they may become infected and they should use condoms to reduce the risk. Sex partners can seek testing to determine if they are infected with HSV. A positive HSV-2 blood test most likely indicates a genital herpes infection.

[QUOTE=Noddy;1229687]Hepatitis?[/QUOTE]You can't get it if you use condoms properly.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1229692]Sorry but I think one on your list is wrong! Is Hiv curable now?[/QUOTE]No, what I meant is that, if you use condoms, you don't have to worry about HIV (yes, except the 1% chance of a crack or whatever, but let's not reopen that debate please). The other diseases such as gonorrhea (which you could get from a BBBJ) are no big deal since they are easily cured with antibiotics. Herpes isn't, once you have it, it's for life.

And guys, let's hear your opinions and experiences, not copy-pastes from Wikipedia and CDC.

I wish I could share from my own experience, but I've only mongered for a bunch of weeks (altogether), so I can hardly say I've really put myself in harm's way. If you've been mongering for years or decades, what's your take on this?

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1229710]And guys, let's hear your opinions and experiences, not copy-pastes from Wikipedia and CDC. [/QUOTE]
Fcuk me!

My opinion is that just because some guy says his prick is dripping yellow and he cured it with eye of newt, are you going to believe him?

I guess objective, truthful information from reliable sources, (rather than speculative BS, e.g. "1 in 4 Americans..."), means very little these days.

Next time, well...I won't waste your time. Chok dee with your condoms.

I got them from a well known establishment in BKK. Nothing that will kill you but tough to explain to your significant other if your are doing P4P while in BKK. While some people will be immune from its presentation, for me its a 4 month struggle to rid myself of the sight of them using the latest pharm creme. Since its a HPV that can be prevented by Guardasil, I would seriously consider getting the female shots if I were going into some serious P4P.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1229693]A bit more from the CDC:

Genital Herpes.

What is genital herpes?

Genital herpes is a sexually transmitted disease (STD) caused by the herpes simplex viruses type 1 (HSV-1) or type 2 (HSV-2). Most genital herpes is caused by HSV-2. Most individuals have no or only minimal signs or symptoms from HSV-1 or HSV-2 infection. When signs do occur, they typically appear as one or more blisters on or around the genitals or rectum. The blisters break, leaving tender ulcers (sores) that may take two to four weeks to heal the first time they occur. Typically, another outbreak can appear weeks or months after the first, but it almost always is less severe and shorter than the first outbreak. Although the infection can stay in the body indefinitely, the number of outbreaks tends to decrease over a period of years.

How common is genital herpes?

Results of a nationally representative study show that genital herpes infection is common in the United States. Nationwide. 16. 2, or about one out of six, people 14 to 49 years of age have genital HSV-2 infection. Over the past decade, the percentage of Americans with genital herpes infection in the USA has remained stable.

Genital HSV-2 infection is more common in women (approximately one out of five women 14 to 49 years of age) than in men (about one out of nine men 14 to 49 years of age). Transmission from an infected male to his female partner is more likely than from an infected female to her male partner.

How do people get genital herpes?

HSV-1 and HSV-2 can be found in and released from the sores that the viruses cause, but they also are released between outbreaks from skin that does not appear to have a sore. Generally, a person can only get HSV-2 infection during sexual contact with someone who has a genital HSV-2 infection. Transmission can occur from an infected partner who does not have a visible sore and may not know that he or she is infected.

HSV-1 can cause genital herpes, but it more commonly causes infections of the mouth and lips, so-called 'fever blisters. ' HSV-1 infection of the genitals can be caused by oral-genital or genital-genital contact with a person who has HSV-1 infection. Genital HSV-1 outbreaks recur less regularly than genital HSV-2 outbreaks.

What are the signs and symptoms of genital herpes?

Most people infected with HSV-2 are not aware of their infection. However, if signs and symptoms occur during the first outbreak, they can be quite pronounced. The first outbreak usually occurs within two weeks after the virus is transmitted, and the sores typically heal within two to four weeks. Other signs and symptoms during the primary episode may include a second crop of sores, and flu-like symptoms, including fever and swollen glands. However, most individuals with HSV-2 infection never have sores, or they have very mild signs that they do not even notice or that they mistake for insect bites or another skin condition.

People diagnosed with a first episode of genital herpes can expect to have several (typically four or five) outbreaks (symptomatic recurrences) within a year. Over time these recurrences usually decrease in frequency. It is possible that a person becomes aware of the "first episode" years after the infection is acquired.

What are the complications of genital herpes?

Genital herpes can cause recurrent painful genital sores in many adults, and herpes infection can be severe in people with suppressed immune systems. Regardless of severity of symptoms, genital herpes frequently causes psychological distress in people who know they are infected.

In addition, genital HSV can lead to potentially fatal infections in babies. It is important that women avoid contracting herpes during pregnancy because a newly acquired infection during late pregnancy poses a greater risk of transmission to the baby. If a woman has active genital herpes at delivery, a cesarean delivery is usually performed. Fortunately, infection of a baby from a woman with herpes infection is rare.

Herpes may play a role in the spread of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Herpes can make people more susceptible to HIV infection, and it can make HIV-infected individuals more infectious.

How is genital herpes diagnosed?

The signs and symptoms associated with HSV-2 can vary greatly. Health care providers can diagnose genital herpes by visual inspection if the outbreak is typical, and by taking a sample from the sore (s) and testing it in a laboratory. HSV infections can be diagnosed between outbreaks by the use of a blood test. Blood tests, which detect antibodies to HSV-1 or HSV-2 infection, can be helpful, although the results are not always clear-cut.

Is there a treatment for herpes?

There is no treatment that can cure herpes, but antiviral medications can shorten and prevent outbreaks during the period of time the person takes the medication. In addition, daily suppressive therapy for symptomatic herpes can reduce transmission to partners.

How can herpes be prevented?

The surest way to avoid transmission of sexually transmitted diseases, including genital herpes, is to abstain from sexual contact, or to be in a long-term mutually monogamous relationship with a partner who has been tested and is known to be uninfected.

Genital ulcer diseases can occur in both male and female genital areas that are covered or protected by a latex condom, as well as in areas that are not covered. Correct and consistent use of latex condoms can reduce the risk of genital herpes.

Persons with herpes should abstain from sexual activity with uninfected partners when lesions or other symptoms of herpes are present. It is important to know that even if a person does not have any symptoms he or she can still infect sex partners. Sex partners of infected persons should be advised that they may become infected and they should use condoms to reduce the risk. Sex partners can seek testing to determine if they are infected with HSV. A positive HSV-2 blood test most likely indicates a genital herpes infection.[/QUOTE]

Fon Tok, love your pics, dude. No need to get angry over this.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1229717]My opinion is that just because some guy says his prick is dripping yellow and he cured it with eye of newt, are you going to believe him?[/QUOTE]Hmm no. But if you told me,"I've mongered for 10 years and slept with hundreds of girls and I'm still disease-free", I would believe you. I would believe other positive or negative stories from other respected old hands of this forum whose nicknames I could recognize. If we got 15 opinions on this we might get closer to see if there is a big risk, or not.

[QUOTE]I guess good, truthful information, (rather than speculative BS, e.g. "1 in 4 Americans."), means very little these days.[/QUOTE]No, the point is, we can all go to Google and type "herpes" and hit enter. The reason I ask here is to get feedback from experienced mongers.

And I stand corrected, indeed it's 1 in 6 americans; Although other sites say 1 in 4, I guess the CDC is more of an authority on this. My reasoning still stands that, if this is such a problem in the general population, the percentage must be way higher among our Soi Cowboy friends.

I have probably had a 1000 BBBJ's throughout the world. Never caught anything from them. I have gone BB a few times, even in SEA, never caught a thing.

I caught some type of a bacterial infection once. That was in the US from a girl I was dating. Go figure.


Also, on the Herpes, I know it is a problem all over the world. But I believe it seems to have spread more rapidly in the US. Just like some parts of the world have a higher HIV rate. I don't think the % of people in other countries have as high Herpes rate as US. I could be wrong. It does seem like a lot of people I have met have it.

A few quotes re herpes:

Herpes is not usually a serious medical condition. But many people have emotional concerns and issues regarding herpes.

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It is a lifelong infection that is more of an annoying skin condition for most people. Treatment is available to reduce symptoms and transmission but is not required.

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Herpes is a common sexually transmitted infection that is caused by the herpes simplex virus (HSV). There are two different types:

• HSV Type 1 occurs most often on or near the mouth and is often called a cold sore.

• HSV Type 2 occurs most often on or near the genitals and is often called genital herpes

• It is not uncommon to have Type 1 on the genitals and sometimes Type 2 on the mouth

How common is it?

Health Canada estimates that worldwide:

• 50% to 90% of adults have HSV type 1.

• 20% to 30% of adults have HSV type 2.

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The thing with HSV is that it can only gain entry through a weak spot in the skin or a mucous membrane (which doesn't have the hard outer layer of skin). Mucous membranes like the lining of the mouth, inside of nose, urethra in guys, rectum, vagina and the inside of the inner labia minora (small lips).

The skin of the hand has a strong outer layer which the HSV cannot get through unless you have a break in the skin. A common area to have a break in the skin on the hands is around the finger nails e. G. Hang nails, biting the nails. A herpes infection on the finger tips is called herpes whitlow and is something you used to see on dentist and health care workers doing mouth care until gloves were used.

Another way to get breaks in skin is from the act of sex, with the genitals grinding together you end up with little microscopic tears on the skin which allows the virus to get into the body.

To answer your question if you were fingering a woman who had HSV and you had a cut on your hand I guess it could pass to your finger. The reason it is not passed from contact with other body parts is that these body parts typically don't come in contact with the mouth / genitals or the skin is thick enough that we don't see HSV passing.

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Already having an oral HSV type 1 infection (cold sores) , does make it very unlikely that you will get the same type on a different part of the body e. G. On the genitals.