A survey of the best clubs in Germany
For what it is worth (and for the sake of generating your responses), below are the results of a short survey which was recently held on clubs voted as the best by German hobbyists elsewhere on the Internet.
Gold: Hof (7), GT (3), PHG (3), Samya (2), Harem (1), Freude 39 (1), Artemis (1) = 18 votes total
Silver: GT (4), PHG (2), Samya (2), Hof (1), World (1), Palace (1), Blue Note (1), Cola (1) = 13 votes total
Bronze: GT (3), Palace (3), World (2), Oase (2), Artemis (1), FKK Villa (1) = 12 votes total
(I wanted to this in a table form but the format was always off after I uploaded it).
In a couple of instances, some guys listed the Hof (Bernds) for gold, silver and bronze. I did not count those votes. Others stopped at their nomination for gold and did not name a silver or bronze. One guy gave the gold to PHG and to Goldentime - this I counted as being a gold for each.
Note the mention of Freude 39, a Red Carpet Club. Clubs outside of the axis of NRW and Hessen are listed too: Harem in Bad Lippspringe, Artemis in Berlin, FKK-Villa in Hannover and Cola in Augsburg.
From my experience the locals have much different criteria from non-locals as to their club preferences.
It may have to do with their living there 24/7/365, also with their having sometimes longer histories with certain clubs and being there more often. One might argue they are more discriminating.
Their preferences for women are also a little different from those of tourists. I've had discussions with them at clubs and they will give a woman more points for service than they will for looks. There is a real risk in booking a session with an Optikfick and not getting anything out of it - this is something newbies usually have no awareness of.
In the end, different strokes for different folks.
For the record, my current personal favorites are the Hof, Cocoon and Heavensgate in that order. My previous favorites were the Hof, Babylon and Wiago but I am not returning to the latter two until I read better reports.
(I should mention that I stuck with Babylon and Wiago even as they were past their prime.)
I am hoping that Wildenrath will make a comeback sometime. When it does, it will come between the Hof and Cocoon assuming it is as good as it used to be. I consider Cocoon and Heavensgate very comparable and amongst the best from a Preis-Leistungsverhaeltnis standpoint.
Yes, it would be beneficial
[QUOTE=Jackyo] I've been asking myself a question and it is: for all of the buzz we generate for the "on-the-beaten-path" clubs, wouldn't it be more beneficial to the forum overall if we encouraged more independent exploration of the less mentioned clubs?[/QUOTE]
...but this forum basically serves as an aggregator of accumulated experiences. It's far less daunting for a newbie or even a regular visitor to check here first so as to maximize the chances for a positive experience during the limited time that he has. You and some of the other posters here, who can regularly take time to visit clubs, are in the minority. When I fly in it's either for 1-2 days of hectic meetings followed by dinner, drinks, etc. or for a quick stopover on the way to or from Asia or the Middle East.
On the other hand, you could map out clubs that need to be visited because they're new, have had a change of management, renovation, an SP restocking or just hasn't had a report in some time, and hand out HW assignments, a sort of work rotation :-)
[QUOTE=Jackyo]If you've noticed I've been very responsive lately to newbie questions concerning how to get somewhere, what is recommended, etc.. but at the end I've also injected mention of clubs which are off the beaten path.
I'm willing to provide this service but I would think the objective of this forum would be to expand our knowledge base and so newbie scouting reports to the unexplored would be an acceptable tit-for-tat arrangement.[/QUOTE]
That's an idea- we could hold off answering a newbie's questions until he's completed his "assignment". Then again, wouldn't you want the report to be done by someone who has a history, so that you can gauge the veracity, reliability and objectivity of the content.
[QUOTE=Jackyo] On trips I take I always make sure I have a mix of clubs I've done before and have had a good experience with, clubs I've had not so good experiences with but want to give a second chance to as well as clubs I've never been to.
I only started visiting PTs last year but when I did get started I made sure I visited the ones most mentioned in the German forums. I did a quick search on this forum and nobody had been to PT Dorsten before the beginning of this year - and look at how often it is mentioned now.
Predictability is good to a certain degree but sometimes you have to take a chance.[/QUOTE]
With the limited time that I have in DE, I want some predictability and don't want to waste a precious free evening travelling to a small club in the woods, unless I know with a fair degree of certainty that it'll be a good experience. There have been times, when I've taken one for the team and gone where others haven't been before, but motly, I try to mix in my regular haunts, with clubs that I haven't visited for some time, and split my time between swinger clubs, PT's and FKK's. So much sex out there and so little time.
I've been to many of the NRW PT's over the years as well as Beverly, and had dropped Dorsten off my list until the reports here began building it up.
[QUOTE=Jackyo] We've had no reports on Red Carpet Clubs here lately, for example. There are guys on the German forums who still visit Red Carpets and its for that chance that they unearth a diamond in the rough. Yeah, I know. Most guys are dismissive of the Red Carpets.
Wasn't it Ralph Waldo Emerson who said: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but he also has said: "A great part of courage is the courage of having done the thing before."
best source for maps and directions
The best source for driving directions and maps on the net is the viamichellin site. They are available in several languages and are quite explicit in their driving directions as well as distance and time. They even give the approximate cost for gas. The maps are interactive which let you zoom in on an area. The maps which I printed out saved me alot of time on my last trip to GT and the ETAP in Willich.
I only say this about newbies reports...
[quote=euro100]this statement, however, is flat out wrong. there are plenty of senior members who have made invaluable contributions and written long, informative, in some cases authoritative, and in most cases entertaining reports. i try to list the (imho) best ones on the "distinction" thread, and there are many many experienced mongerers listed there.[/quote]
... because they usually have a sense of awe which is entertaining. its like they have just experienced a revelation of sorts - one which can lead to serious addiction.
it only happens once so capturing that moment is priceless (i know i'm sounding like a kodak commercial).
i am still in awe when i visit a club but its i have been at this for a while and have several points of reference for describing a good experience versus a bad one.
a newbie sometimes has no point of reference and will usually go into more detail about a session (at least more than i would).
having said that, one has to also take their information with a grain of salt. one man's gfe is not the same as anothers.
it might be interesting to do a survey to find out what elements we look for in a gfe. i think we'll find a range of elements, likes and dislikes.
my pet peeve is that she stands up within two minutes of me coming and starts to make the bed. no matter how good she was until that point, if she gets up and hurries me out of the room, i'm instantly turned off by her professionalism. when i was new at this, i wouldn't pay attention to what she did after i came.
if she doesn't kiss, i find also her approach too professional. (granted that some women have dental work which does not encourage kissing.)
one reason why i liked the babylon and wiago clubs was that your session had actually three parts: the preliminaries on the couch, the session itself in the room and then the post-session again on the couch.
you would both leave the room and wash up after doing the nasty deed and when you made your way back to the kontaktzimmer, she would come to you, bring you something to drink if you wanted and sit with you. if things were slow, you could chat (this assumes you have some conversational skills and can communicate with her, mostly in german), have some physical contact.
if the stimmung was right and the juices were flowing again you could book a follow up session to continue the interaction. it was close to like spending an afternoon or evening with a girlfriend almost without any time limits.
picture yourself on a couch with a nude woman draped over you while you nonchalantly make small talk.
a couple of years ago they dropped the post-session. these were the only clubs i am aware of of which had post-sessions. even the mighty bernds never offered them.
all the girls kissed, were always nude except for footwear and had very few restrictions. and at their prime, you could not go wrong at these clubs. the owner practiced a clear editorial point of view and selected who worked there, enforced a strict service orientation.
it took getting ripped off once for me to drop these clubs from my list.
if you understand that my expectations for a club visit were set by this experience, clubs which don't offer couch preliminaries and post-session interactions provide a less than satisfactory experience in my mind.
nowadays only a handful of clubs offer couch preliminaries. none offer post-session interactions (by this i mean as part of their standard service offering). and kissing is becoming more and more non-standard.
combine this with having to watch out for burn 'em and churn 'em girls and you have to ask yourself whether we are facing the decline of civilization.
