Sosua Reports

Jedi,

If you are flying from LAX where is your stop over point? You can change your ticket there or even from LAX.

I went from LAX to POP last Sept and changed my ticket to stay longer in DR and it costs $150 to make changes with American Airlines.

[QUOTE=Jedi Earth]Thanks for the information. I am flying from Los Angeles. Flights into POP seem alot more expensive than flying into SD. So I guess I am screwed.

My flight out is at 11:10am so I guess I will have to take the bus the night before to be sure I am at the airport on time.

After all of the international mongering I have done I should have caught this important oversight(i.e. not being close to Sosua and only having three days). I need to research better in the future.

Are there any regional airlines that can get me from SD to Sousa quickly? Also I have been told the Caribe website is outdated(the times). How do you get the correct departure times from SD and Sosua?[/QUOTE]

As far as I know the schedule on the Caribe tours Web site is accurate. Their telephone number is on the Web site. Not allowed to post numbers here. In any case the buses run hourly, so just go to the bus station and wait for the next one.

I don't think there is an internal flight to POP from SDQ.

[QUOTE=Jedi Earth]Also I have been told the Caribe website is outdated(the times). How do you get the correct departure times from SD and Sosua?[/QUOTE]

Caribe tours to Sosua is every hour on the hour starting at 6 am. The last bus leaving Santo Domingo for Sosua is at 7 pm.

Like previously mentioned you have to figure at least a four hour taxi ride from SDQ to Sosua, especially at night. I am not too sure I would be brave enough to ride in a taxi thru the mountian rode to Sosua from Santiago. It is scary enough in broad daylight.

Santo Domingo is not really a bad place to visit as long as you know where to go. You have the girls and some nice tourist stuff to do (El Conde, Zona Colonial, Malecon, shopping malls, casionos, great restaurants, baseball, etc.).

If your flight lands on time at 7pm you can figure one hour to get out of the airport and in a cab. That would put your arrival time at your hotel in Sosua at midnight. Check-in at hotel another thirty minutes. I am not positive but I believe the curfew is back in effect the evening of January 1. If so, all the bars will close at midnight. I will do a search to see if I can verify when the holiday hours end.

If you have an 11 am return flight you should be at the airport at 9am (most airlines policy). To arrive at SDQ at 9am you need to leave Sosua by 5am at the latest using a taxi.

[QUOTE=Frannie]
It will not cost $80 for the taxi one way. I think at least $120.
It costs $40 just to Santo Domingo, and the driver has to make a long return journey too, arriving home in the wee small hours.[/QUOTE]

Frannie you pretty much have it right. I did a quick online search of a few cab companies and the price from SDQ to Sosua range from a low of $135 to a high of $170. It may seem like a lot but that is a long haul and a good eight to nine hours round trip for the driver. Deduct cost of gas and wear and tear on the vehicle the driver doesn't end up with much cash for a full days/nights work.

That taxi cash would get you one good looking TLN chica in Santo Domingo.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs]Frannie you pretty much have it right. I did a quick online search of a few cab companies and the price from SDQ to Sosua range from a low of $135 to a high of $170. It may seem like a lot but that is a long haul and a good eight to nine hours round trip for the driver. Deduct cost of gas and wear and tear on the vehicle the driver doesn't end up with much cash for a full days/nights work.

That taxi cash would get you one good looking TLN chica in Santo Domingo.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but you know, there is no harm in going up to Sosua on the morning bus on day two, staying one night, then back again the next evening. He is on vacation and has nothing else to do. The bus is not expensive at all--less than $10 each way, and he can sample the chicas of the capital and of Sosua, see quite a bit of the DR and figure out the lay of the land for his next trip.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69]So let me get this straight.
This girl is working to take care of her child;
its obvious she's dirt-poor
and Mr World Traveler didn't give her a cent and you're bragging about it?

Like you're proud of yourself?
So when did you last get a humanity check?
I think its missing.[/QUOTE]


Maybe I am missing something here. I was merely responding to David's post with an example of it not always being about money and negociating. I do not recall bragging about anything. As I said, the subject of money never came up. I did not set out and say hey I am going to go home with you and fuck you. It was nothing like that. We were merely talking and getting to know each other and things happened.

If a hooker (it was never even established that this young lady was a hooker by the way, as there are also non-pros that go to Latino's) wants to fuck me for free then that is between me and her. Just because you had to pay don't tell me that I am inhumane because I did not have to. If we are both at McDonald's and the cashier makes you pay but gives me my Big Mac meal for free or at a discounted rate, who are you to get shitty with me? Like I said, that is not the first time that has happened to me in Sosua (as my previous posts will verify) and I am sure that it is not only me that it has happened to. Hell, I have held out a handful of money before and the girl has declined, saying that she only wanted money for a motoconcho. Maybe it is you who needs the humanity check if you think that everybody is after money.

[QUOTE=Frannie]Yes, but you know, there is no harm in going up to Sosua on the morning bus on day two, staying one night, then back again the next evening. He is on vacation and has nothing else to do. The bus is not expensive at all--less than $10 each way, and he can sample the chicas of the capital and of Sosua, see quite a bit of the DR and figure out the lay of the land for his next trip.[/QUOTE]

You beat me to the post. Just what I was thinking.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Maybe I am missing something here. I was merely responding to David's post with an example of it not always being about money and negociating. I do not recall bragging about anything. As I said, the subject of money never came up. I did not set out and say hey I am going to go home with you and fuck you. It was nothing like that. We were merely talking and getting to know each other and things happened.

If a hooker (it was never even established that this young lady was a hooker by the way, as there are also non-pros that go to Latino's) wants to fuck me for free then that is between me and her. Just because you had to pay don't tell me that I am inhumane because I did not have to. If we are both at McDonald's and the cashier makes you pay but gives me my Big Mac meal for free or at a discounted rate, who are you to get shitty with me? Like I said, that is not the first time that has happened to me in Sosua (as my previous posts will verify) and I am sure that it is not only me that it has happened to. Hell, I have held out a handful of money before and the girl has declined, saying that she only wanted money for a motoconcho. Maybe it is you who needs the humanity check if you think that everybody is after money.[/QUOTE]
Mr E the same thing has happened to me many of times while I have been in Sosua where a chica has asked me for nothing what so ever all these chicas are not hard core in the DR unlike other monger destinations and thats what I love about the DR.

[QUOTE=Bq Ribs]You beat me to the post. Just what I was thinking.[/QUOTE]
Since you only have 3 days to spare just stay in Santo Dominigo dont waste your time 5-8 hours traveling on Caribe Tours to go up North you made your bed already so just lie in it. Man up and do your research on Santo Domingo/Boca Chica and you cant go wrong whats done is done already!!!!

[QUOTE=Frannie]Yes, but you know, there is no harm in going up to Sosua on the morning bus on day two, staying one night, then back again the next evening. He is on vacation and has nothing else to do. The bus is not expensive at all--less than $10 each way, and he can sample the chicas of the capital and of Sosua, see quite a bit of the DR and figure out the lay of the land for his next trip.[/QUOTE]

True indeed. It is quite a bargain for $6. But that is a loooong bus trip, especially if you will have to make a roundtrip. I remember waking up leaving Boca Chica about 9:30am and taking a bus into the capital. When I got to Caribe Tours the next scheduled bus was at 12:30. I ended up getting to Sosua about 5:00 or so. So it pretty much ate up my whole day. But I did have time to hit the beach for a quick swim before sundown.

There are no assigned seats so before the bus is ready to board everybody makes a line at the door. I was first in the line and I only had a backpack (hence no luggage to check underneath) so I was able to get the front seat with the leg room that is opposite the driver's side. There were many beautiful women boarding the bus but they were all going towards the back and some were with their boyfriends or husbands. An average girl who was not really my type decided to sit next to me. During the trip she offered and shared her food and drink with me.

In hindsight, after reading Yanqui's post, maybe I should have given her money for it. She was obviously dirt poor. I knew this because right after we left the Puerto Plata stop she opened her suitcase and changed into a pair of clear high-heeled shoes. Wink-wink! We both got off at the Sosua stop where motoconchos were already waiting. I hopped on one and headed for the Europa. Later that night we spoke to each other for a hot second at Latino's before I called the other girl over.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Maybe I am missing something here.

If a hooker (it was never even established that this young lady was a hooker by the way, as there are also non-pros that go to Latino's) wants to fuck me for free then that is between me and her.[/QUOTE]

Young Dominican women do not go to Latino's or Merengue bar for a night out with their friends. They go there to meet gringos. Why would they go to a place where the drinks are so expensive relative to their earnings when there are tipicos they can go to that are cheaper, or stay around their barrio?

Some girls are not really pros, or are very naive and inexperienced with gringos, and are too ashamed to ask for money for sex, but it does not mean that they don't need it.

They hope to meet a boyfriend, rather than just sell sex, because they see other girls who have foreign boyfriends who help them out financially, and maybe get them out of the DR.

In Dominican relationships it is assumed that the man will provide financially in some way, according to his means.

I don't think you quite understand how unequal these relationships are in terms of power if you think that Dominican girls are going out to places like Latino's just hoping for a good night out and get laid by a good-looking stranger.

The fact that this girl gave you her phone number indicates that she was hoping for some kind of ongoing relationship, which clearly was not your intention. When you asked her for her phone number, you gave her the impression that you wanted to see her again. So she did not ask you for money, because she did not want to deter you from calling again.

You said you received a phone call from one of your "non-pros from Santiago" and that you cleaned up the apartment to conceal the 'evidence'. Clearly you did not see the girl you spent the night with as a non-pro of equal status to your non-pro visitor from Santiago.

In such a situation, even if she did not ask for money, it would have been appropriate to offer her a gift of cash to buy something for her child. In that way she would have been able to accept it without it looking like cash for sex.

We see again and again on these boards that misunderstandings arise because of cultural differences. Working women who are financially independent in the US and other developed countries will go out on the town to get some casual sex without any thought of getting money or benefits from the men they screw. It does not work that way in the DR, at least not with the kind of poor girls you will meet in place like Sosua. Sexual relationships are a means of exchange.

[QUOTE=Kyle Fox]Ok Gents, now that I am safely back in the states I can relate this story in full detail. The chica, Mary, with a big rose and something tattoo on her right thigh, gives me this "are you kidding me? " response to my 660 peso/$20USD offer. I feel she is trying to game me and my defensive wall rises high and strong. She drops the money, says "Ok, ok " and walks away while dialing the phone number. Standing outside my room, she’s talking to someone, says she is at New Garden, guy is in room #4 (my room). I’m thinking, "Oh shit, the last thing I need is some crazy Dominican friend of hers to come and get crazy with me. " Now a little worried about what’s going to happen, I walk down with her to where the New Garden security guard "G" is. She complains to G, G tells me that girls in DR get paid well for service. I’m thinking "Damn G, you’re hotel security, I thought you would be on my side. " I read too many posts here about ST being 500-1000 and agree with the CrossFire who said there may be too many posts here about trying to be a cheap ass when paying for chicas....


...Now, in retrospect, 3000 pesos and no argument would have been the better choice Spending any portion of my vacation in a DR jail is worth several hundreds of $$$.

I later learn on this trip that the finer chicas are looking for 2000 pesos for 1-2 hours and turning down offers for 1000, sometimes 1500 is accepted.

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Thanks for posting this. You had a tough experience, but it is one that a lot of readers here can learn from and hopefully avoid going through what you went through.

It is not easy to deal with a foreign country on your first trip, and to negotiate with natives who are fully oriented to the local system. At least you got out of it all safely.

In general, although the general public sees third world prostitution in terms of exploitation and sleazy sex, it always amazes me just how well most people on both sides (them and us) behave in the arena of paid sex, how few disputes arise, and how most participants are gentle, affectionate, and considerate of each other to a much greater degree than you might expect.

[QUOTE=Frannie]Young Dominican women do not go to Latino's or Merengue bar for a night out with their friends. They go there to meet gringos. Why would they go to a place where the drinks are so expensive relative to their earnings when there are tipicos they can go to that are cheaper, or stay around their barrio?[/QUOTE]

Again I have to disagree. I have seen Dominican women coming together to celebrate in Latino's paying no mind that there were gringos in the place. I have also seen Dominican women with Dominican men coming to party at Latino's. My friend's Dominican girlfriend has brought him to Latino's, her not knowing there were hookers there. And there are also European women on vacation. Not to mention the German girl who I met in Latino's and have had relations with. She has a job in admin at the airport in Puerto Plata. And my immigration officer at the airport? Let's not pretend that Latino's, Sosua, or the DR's only existence is but for gringo's and poor, desolate, innocent hookers to combine. Because my experience in those places speak to the contrary.

[QUOTE=Frannie]Who knows? BBBJ is unlikely to transmit an infection to a man. Condomless anal sex is extremely likely to give you an infection, especially an e-coli urinary infection. However, you can buy antibiotics cheaply without a presription in the DR and a 5-day course of Cipro should take care of most infections.

Using a condom for intercourse greatly reduces chances of an STD. [/QUOTE]
Completely agree with you...although zithro is a good complementary recommendation to make sure all nasties are deleted (single dose - 48hr absorption)! I can assure other readers that BBBJ can, and quite often does transit the clap (gonorrhea) and various other nasty organisms. As you correctly say BBBJ does not have the same propensity to transmit as anal or unprotected anal and vaginal, however please don't think that BBBJ's are completely safe. Refer [url]http://www.healthboards.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-151040.html[/url].

Not prevalent in DR, mostly in Asian strains of bacterial STD's like neisseria gonorrhoeae and other urethral and cervical STD's, it comes down to the amount of risk you wish to accept.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Maybe I am missing something here. I was merely responding to David's post with an example of it not always being about money and negociating. I do not recall bragging about anything. As I said, the subject of money never came up. I did not set out and say hey I am going to go home with you and fuck you. It was nothing like that. We were merely talking and getting to know each other and things happened.

If a hooker (it was never even established that this young lady was a hooker by the way, as there are also non-pros that go to Latino's) wants to fuck me for free then that is between me and her. Just because you had to pay don't tell me that I am inhumane because I did not have to. If we are both at McDonald's and the cashier makes you pay but gives me my Big Mac meal for free or at a discounted rate, who are you to get shitty with me? Like I said, that is not the first time that has happened to me in Sosua (as my previous posts will verify) and I am sure that it is not only me that it has happened to. Hell, I have held out a handful of money before and the girl has declined, saying that she only wanted money for a motoconcho. Maybe it is you who needs the humanity check if you think that everybody is after money.[/QUOTE]


Mr E,
Not trying to get into a "flaming" contest.

My only point was that even if you could get away with a freebie, a little generosity wouldn't have been bad.
I will accept that occasionally non-pro Dominicanas might be found partying in the Sosua bars, - (but I does anyone really believe that was the case here?).

S you saw for yourself, the girl is renting a shabby room in Sosua, she's hanging around the bar with one other girl; -hmm, is she just "getting away on on vacation"?
Did she travel to Sosua from another town because she's bored, or there are no bars at home? Is this a hobby for her?
No, I think any reasonable person will surmise that she's there to try to make some money.

If you can get laid by a German working locally, great.
I also assume she's there to party and doesn't need the cash.

Its not about "hating" (gees, grow up)
or whether I "have to pay" or not.
If I (we) can afford to travel for mongering, there's room in the budget for a little generosity.
Clearly you can afford it, and she could obviously use the money.
So why not?
I'm just saying that if the girl was good to you, you could have been good to her too, whether you "had to" or not.
Knowing the girl's situation, I would suggest (not just to you , but anyone reading this) to offer her some cash anyway,
-just offer it "para tu niña" (for your baby).

Maybe its just me, - (but I think a lot of others as well would feel the same)
when we go to a place as poverty-stricken as the DR, and have a great time with a girl that is obviously poor, -if she's shared her body with me, I can afford to share a little with her.

If you offer her some cash and she declines for reasons of her own, fine,
but I would not feel right if I at least did not offer her something.

No insults, -maybe just a different point of view.