Kyiv

There is not an upper limit as you can predict. The poor wolves may even demand 2 k dollars for 1 hour. (just try to empathy, if they fool 1 fish every month, no need to stretch their pussy for the rest of the month).

Now, I think you should position for 1 hour first. 1500-2000 uah is enough for the first meeting.

After first meeting, 1000 uah will be enough for 1-2-3 hours for the second, third, . Meetings.

I have 15-20 girls who can satisfy me 2-3 hours for only 1000 uah. We call each other "my friend'. It has become a strange relation with these friends, I remember the first meetings with them. I did not care about them and just treated them in a way which they deserved. Now, we are talking about my business, their life, their kids, their family and we start sex after asking "shall we start?

If you want to hire professional agencies.

Gia starts with 150 dollars. The good girls are 200 - 300 dollars.

Darling club girls should be around 1600 uah, which is 60 usd.

Rio girls are always 300 dollars, but you should also spend around 100 usd in the club before taking the girls.

I did not meet with any girl from my dear mamasan but when I asked the price during my last visit 22-September, she told me there is an increase and her girls now 1800 uah (70 usd).

But, I do not prefer to meet the girls from from agencies because they only do covered blowjob and vaginal sex, nothing else.

It is better to find some fuck buddies whom you can support financially.

[QUOTE=Deer1234;1992009]Hello,

I am going to Kiev this February.

How much does a young girl (22 years of pro-, semipro-, or amateur) usually require for a 2-hour in an apartment?

(though it should greatly depend upon her).

Which do they prefer, euro or USD?

Thank you for your useful information.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I have run into 2 girls today from mamma that are confirmed selling their service that are telling me they want to meet in a cafe first before we go to my apartment to "do the deed" because they want to get to know me first. The second one I have not replied to, but the first on I agreed to and said "okay, do you know where Wato is? We can meet there and have lunch and get acquainted" to which she replied "Yes, but I don't like that place. We can go to Buddha Bar, Avalon, Touch Cafe". Now I do not know much about Avalon or Touch Cafe, but I know Buddha bar and the prices are not justifiable for what I would consider a simple meet and greet to get acquainted for a simple 1-2 hour arrangement at my apartment. I can see within reason meeting at a locals small coffee shop for a quick meeting, but I am assuming this is a scam to get a big expensive dinner. Anyone else have this happen before? How did you handle it?

[QUOTE=Riina;1992045]Sponsorship is financial support with a return of benefits ranging from an occasional sexual service to full out girlfriend.

Just go do your thing in Kiev and and when you find chemistry, your questions will all be answered. Keep in mind most guys with significant time in Kiev are looking for more complicated relationships then just an hour p4 p session. The days of a traveler economically justifying a pussy run to Kiev is way over.[/QUOTE]I thank you very much for the feedback. This clears some things up. I am still puzzled about your comment that "The days of a traveler economically justifying a pussy run to Kiev is way over". If you feel I am not looking at this the same way as you are, or I am getting ripped off, but I just got a mamba account last night, spent 3-4 hours on there and have 10-15 confirmed $100 per hour or $300 12 hour a night good looking girls ready to meet and asking when I am available and even for my address. They are asking $150 USD mostly, but $2500-3000 UAH seems to close the deal. Am I missing the point you are telling me? With all respect of course. I am curious what you mean that its over.

Hello,

I am going to Kiev for a few weeks anyone else want to meet and head out to town together? I'm in my mid 30's, I look OK and I have been many times to Ukraine before.

[QUOTE=BellBottomsDJ;1992089]Okay, I have run into 2 girls today from mamma that are confirmed selling their service that are telling me they want to meet in a cafe first before we go to my apartment to "do the deed" because they want to get to know me first. The second one I have not replied to, but the first on I agreed to and said "okay, do you know where Wato is? We can meet there and have lunch and get acquainted" to which she replied "Yes, but I don't like that place. We can go to Buddha Bar, Avalon, Touch Cafe". Now I do not know much about Avalon or Touch Cafe, but I know Buddha bar and the prices are not justifiable for what I would consider a simple meet and greet to get acquainted for a simple 1-2 hour arrangement at my apartment. I can see within reason meeting at a locals small coffee shop for a quick meeting, but I am assuming this is a scam to get a big expensive dinner. Anyone else have this happen before? How did you handle it?[/QUOTE]Send her a map with the address of where you wish to meet, time of meeting and say that is convenient for you and ask her to confirm. If you are paying you choose the venue and if she argues then she is probably too much bother.

[QUOTE=GDreams;1992132]Send her a map with the address of where you wish to meet, time of meeting and say that is convenient for you and ask her to confirm. If you are paying you choose the venue and if she argues then she is probably too much bother.[/QUOTE]Perfect. That makes sense to me.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=GDreams;1992132]Send her a map with the address of where you wish to meet, time of meeting and say that is convenient for you and ask her to confirm. If you are paying you choose the venue and if she argues then she is probably too much bother.[/QUOTE]Just another FYI, I went ahead and replied to girls one with "sorry, but no. I am not taking you to a high end place for dinner just to get acquainted. If you want to meet somewhere, then there are coffee shops all over the city that will be just fine. And if that doesn't work, then its $100 for an hour at my place or 300 for the night like we agreed, so let me know". Hahaha. To which she replied "I'll think about it". Haha. She's a sleeze!

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;1991214]This is 100% correct, they would much be with a local guy and for the most parts, Ukraine guys are real nice people.[/QUOTE]Refreshing to hear someone on this forum say Ukraine guys are real nice people. There use to be a frenchman here that would post how beastly Ukraine guys were towards their girls. I have no idea where that comes from, Western men are way more abrasive towards their women in my experience.

[URL]http://geometria.tv/places/stereoclub/events/964537?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=smm&utm_content=Album:964537[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0jsx16ifbM[/URL]

Drama, in my US city, we have these pacts of young Ukrainians roaming the town. I have never seen girls have such a twinkle in their eyes towards their own guys. Hot girls that could easily elevate their social status with Americans. Do I see them mixing? Only a rare few. I was browsing Geometria the other day and surprisingly came across a photo gallery of a club I sometimes frequent in my own neighborhood. If you look at the photos, everybody is Ukrainian, even the black guys. This use to be a very good Euro club that would draw guys from throughout the city, but young guys won't go there because it's impossible to pull unless you are Ukrainian. I posted a link to a youtube video of a pact, but there's like ten more groups like this that I know of.

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from Ukraine. The opportunities are there, but don't be delusional to reality.

[QUOTE=EnricoMacias;1992054]Now, I think you should position for 1 hour first. 1500-2000 uah is enough for the first meeting...[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for your useful information.

1800 UAH, which is 66 USD? Is not bad.

I will start with some famous night clubs.

Very good report. I just hate to see the guys flying in from the States or Canada, the chances are slim to get any quality girls, even if you are willing to pay a lot of money. They are just not there anymore or not interested. You have to have local knowledge and a lot of time to be successful Ukraine, even then it is highly unlikely. My friends had a lot of money and were good looking they were having a hard time. 3-5 years earlier, it was easy to hook up, times have changed.

[QUOTE=BellBottomsDJ;1992044]I have been hitting Mamba pretty hard with a good reply rate once I figured it out (it's worth the $10) to filter the language and the "sex" option so you don't deal with girls that want to get into relationships and are there for PFP. The good looking ones are asking $100-150 per hour mostly or $300 a night seems to work when I offer. I am talking each one down to $100 USD for an hour pretty easily, but I haven't tried lower.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for your information. In fact, mamba seems difficult for me: I cannot figure out which photo is fake and which photo is a real photo, but taken a decade ago.

Anyway, I will start with some famous nightclubs, and try to negotiate it at 100 - 300 for a night.

Yes, fun can still be had, and for a lot less. 2500-3000 UAH is still double the going rate. Remember, high class VIP pros in places such as GIA start at 3500 UAH and half of it goes to the house.

[QUOTE=BellBottomsDJ;1992090]I thank you very much for the feedback. This clears some things up. I am still puzzled about your comment that "The days of a traveler economically justifying a pussy run to Kiev is way over". If you feel I am not looking at this the same way as you are, or I am getting ripped off, but I just got a mamba account last night, spent 3-4 hours on there and have 10-15 confirmed $100 per hour or $300 12 hour a night good looking girls ready to meet and asking when I am available and even for my address. They are asking $150 USD mostly, but $2500-3000 UAH seems to close the deal. Am I missing the point you are telling me? With all respect of course. I am curious what you mean that its over.[/QUOTE]

And as I have said before, about half of that goes to the house.

[QUOTE=Ringudor;1957198]I was walking near ocean plaza, when a guy offered me to visit a flat in Baseina, I was curious and I accepted just to take a look, but once there I saw 5 stunning beauties, I got a blonde blue eyed one, 1700 grivnas one hour, it was 3 AM and she so sleepy, anyway she did a good job, for sure 4 hours earlier I would get an excellent one, first massage, then BJ with condom and fuck, I was thinking those flats are so bad, but I changed my mind so fast.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;1992483]Very good report. I just hate to see the guys flying in from the States or Canada, the chances are slim to get any quality girls, even if you are willing to pay a lot of money. They are just not there anymore or not interested. You have to have local knowledge and a lot of time to be successful Ukraine, even then it is highly unlikely. My friends had a lot of money and were good looking they were having a hard time. 3-5 years earlier, it was easy to hook up, times have changed.[/QUOTE]Same as San Francisco bay area in general. During financial crisis, there were so many girls here. Now, you can spend 400/ HR and still may not find a good looking one. In Ukraine, the dating industry is becoming a mainstream industry. Agency from US responsible for bringing guys in. The agency in Ukraine is responsible bringing matches to the guys. That creates a lot of jobs. I can't give too much details. I may even open a agency there too.

All comrades always remember this:

Most of the girl in Kiev, who deal with foreigners are the worst piece of shit you can find right now in the world as feminine person. The good one are not interested in foreigners or if they are good, they probably will have a circle around who will suggest them to spoil you. And maybe obtain something even them.

- be strong and commander. Be over rude in bed. 90% of this girl have already overdone anal sex because Ukrainian don't listen to them. With foreigner they pretend to act like saint Mary virgin. This not this not, no anal. Be strong and command the ride, they won't resist. They are mostly super weak person. Look in Russia the new law for abusing in family. (I say this cause till I was good and faithful and respectful all girl I met apart sporadic cases, showed they were the biggest piece of shit).

- don't overpay. They, apart a bunch of top escort, don't have nothing zero. They survive, dos of them sucking cock to ugly and much poorer than you foreigner. I had a girlfriend she had 4 guys relation at the same time, sometimes she met 3 of them the same day. And they sponsored her with less than 240 dollar month. I read 100 dollar hour. Are you crazy? Not even Poroshenko earn 100 dollar hour). If they not step back fuck off them. There 2 million pussy in Kiev.

- don't believe anything,. Any bullshit they tell you. Don't feel anything about their lies. (mom is in hospital bla bla.) all a bunch of bullshit. Never pay online, even for VIP card in mamba. Once you showed your weakness you are fucked up.

- once you decide to make a long term history you are really fucked up. So don't do that. Just fuck them.

As far as Ukrainian guy. Yes they love their guy, the new generation is better, but still no comparison for a good foreigner educate. Ukraine is a big village, with village mentality that's why they love each other. Even if most of Ukrainian are like them, piece of shit, not help just fuck, make children and disappear leaving the girl with baby and zero money. But Ukrainian girl never complaint about their guy. The devil are foreigners.

When I read that Europe won't open Schengen to this village country.