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Any monger who is at a disadvantage is either ignorant or weak. The girls are as different as the mongers. Some are seasoned pros others are fresh off the bus. There is no standard chica in Sosua. They come from different cities and backgrounds Just like us. It is a buyers market. Way more girls then guys. They want our money and will do their best to earn it. I have had very few problems with Girls in Sosua. I see a paranoid view from some guys here. Guys who do dumb shit sometimes get into trouble. We pick the girls and determine what we pay. The girls are at our mercy and know it. If you are picking the mafiosa chica then that is your own doing.
[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1437714]Thats an interesting perspective. That is on the lines of what I said earlier about the bad position or slight disadvantage mongers are in dealing with these chicas. Of course a significant advantage they have is with the corruption with law enforcement, and the general dominican support system in place.[/QUOTE]
I have been in homes of local working people. THey buy food for one day at a time. They are in a state of constant need. The girls have to buy food, utilities and rent. Often they live with extended family. They never know if they will have food. The putas are from this enviroment in most cases. When they leave the home it makes it easier for the rest of the family. They send money to the family to support the children they most often have. I have compassion for them. Why don't they get a job? LOL The jobs are hard to fine and offer very low pay. Every peso is precious. DR folk work harder for less then any place I have been. If you take the time to look. People selling fruit making 2 dollars a day working 10 hours. We can not save the world but I if I can put a smile a child face or make a young ladies time with me more pleasurable I am all for it. I am not falling in love with anyone but I choose to be kind and generous when possible. So far Karma has been great for me.
[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1437708]I don't think Zedman's issue is whether or not kids or mothers need medicine at some point, or ignoring the cost being expensive. What he is addressing is an entirely differnt issue where the chica is most likely lying about her children being sick or needing medicine right in that moment. Thats two different issues. And I'm relatively certain he was talking about chicas lying in general, and only used thew baby sick as one example. Because it is quite commonly used by many chicas.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1437708]I don't think Zedman's issue is whether or not kids or mothers need medicine at some point, or ignoring the cost being expensive. What he is addressing is an entirely differnt issue where the chica is most likely lying about her children being sick or needing medicine right in that moment. Thats two different issues. And I'm relatively certain he was talking about chicas lying in general, and only used thew baby sick as one example. Because it is quite commonly used by many chicas.[/QUOTE]It is extremely common for children to be sick, so almost impossible to know if it is true or not. However it is inevitable that if mongers are trying to low-ball chicas for sex, they will try to keep the customer but get some additional money for taxis, sick children, or whatever it is.
This is far from unknown with US businesses. How often have you been casually asked if you want the worthless" extended warranty with that"? Or you download free games for children from the iStore that (you later find out) have expensive add-ons that children will want.
Or for example if you buy a used car, you may agree on a price of $3, 000. However you are now told that there is a "dealer fee" of $500 (for nothing) and a fee of $300 for processing the registration paperwork, plus $200 sales tax, so really you will have to pay $4, 000 by the time you write the check. Or look how iPhones are marketed without making it clear to the consumer how much the phone actually costs, because the price is buried in subsidies and monthly payments that conceal the actual price of the phone.
The chicas are just adapting tried and tested business techniques of offering a low initial cost to hook the customer, and then trying to add on some extras to get to the true price that allows for some profit. They should be applauded for their business school acumen, but as seasoned consumers of sexual services, we should determine how much we want to pay and how much extra we might give for superior service without getting our knickers in a twist about the morality of it all.
I recently paid a delightful young chica 1000 pesos for an encounter and when it came to time to pay up, she asked if I wouldn't give her an additional propina. I fished out a 200 peso bill and she was delighted. Since I plan to see her again I am sure that she will be pulling out all the stops to gratify my kinks, so I think the 200 pesos was well spent.
Negotiation is all part of the game and is best undertaken in a friendly spirit. In the end you will only pay what you want to spend, unless you are like the poor dope in the casino who was robbed of $15, 000 due to his own greed and ignorance.
[quote=oldkool;1437737]i have been in homes of local working people. they buy food for one day at a time. they are in a state of constant need. the girls have to buy food, utilities and rent. often they live with extended family. they never know if they will have food. the putas are from this enviroment in most cases. when they leave the home it makes it easier for the rest of the family. they send money to the family to support the children they most often have. i have compassion for them. why don't they get a job? lol the jobs are hard to fine and offer very low pay. every peso is precious. dr folk work harder for less then any place i have been. if you take the time to look. people selling fruit making 2 dollars a day working 10 hours. we can not save the world but i if i can put a smile a child face or make a young ladies time with me more pleasurable i am all for it. i am not falling in love with anyone but i choose to be kind and generous when possible. so far karma has been great for me.[/quote]i see the same thing. it is easier to say "my baby is sick" than to explain that the electricity has been cut off at home, the sister's baby has no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url], grandmother needs blood pressure medication or she will die, and that they are running a fan off an old car battery so they can try to get some sleep for a few hours at night, and that they owe 2000 pesos to the local colmado for food bought on tick (credit).
[QUOTE=OldKool;1437727]I see a paranoid view from some guys here.[/QUOTE]What! Us paranoid? No, man, them chicas are all out to get us. At least we be safe in the casino.
[quote=wrx2005;1437714]thats an interesting perspective.[/quote]they may not have isg, but the chicas have their own network to bring each other up to speed on the dos and don'ts. they don't need isg because your 1 week or 2 week vacation is a way of life for them. they are doing this 24/7, face to face or face to cock. when you leave, they can run the innocent or hardcore game or whatever works on the next jetblue flight. they learn something from each gringo encounter. the info gets passed along since they often live in the same building, apartment, room; at breakfast, or maybe even at the weave and nail salon.
you are back at this office typing memos for the next 3 months while the chicas you met could be getting multiple dicks a day in them from all around the globe. who cares? i don't, lol. the only thing you know is, you are typing memos and reading individual trip reports and planning for your next 1 week get away. meanwhile, she is drinking and fucking, maybe even running the wu game on some kindler gentile mongers.
go by the internet cafes in sosua, charamicos, cabarete, etc. and take a peek inside next time you are around and see if you see any. i have to laugh sometimes when i walk up on them and see the guy on skype talking with them, and they are professing their love to him and no other guys, lol.
many of these girls start fucking at 14 so they might also be tricking in other parts of the dr. in fact, it's not uncommon to be somewhere like boca chica and have a girl say she remembers you from sosua, not saying you fucked her but she remembers seeing you.
all this being said, you can still meet some cool chicas in and around sosua. but, recognize game for what it is.
just because you ain't got shit going on in your life but a square gig doesn't mean she doesn't. if she looks good, dudes are going to be on her. we all have different tastes and there are more chicas in sosua than dudes, but you know when a star walks up in the place. when i say star, i mean a chica that has the attributes to attract most men, even the pickiest amongst us. the rare dime pieces even amongst the dominican puta beauty standard. if you don't send her money, she gotta get it from somewhere, especially when dudes are throwing it at her.
if you are not in the dr full time, it might be hard to have a real gf. the danger for some of these mongers that want gfe on trips is becoming codependent on a puta because you spend so much time with her. the more time you spend, the more time you have to hear about her problems and get emotionally wrapped up in her problems and the gfe or captain save a hoe fantasy. that is the kind of shit that can make you more vulnerable to puta game.
btw, whoever made the comment about the baileys waitress game of looking for a rich gringo had me laughing because i know some sea horse ranch type dudes that have dated a couple of them, lol.
[QUOTE=OldKool;1437737]We can not save the world but I if I can put a smile a child face or make a young ladies time with me more pleasurable I am all for it. I am not falling in love with anyone but I choose to be kind and generous when possible. So far Karma has been great for me.[/QUOTE]I like your attitude; Karma is a good word even for this jaded Indian. There is every case to be made for kindness, even if we cannot save the world, if we can afford it. I have known people who I have not even met and have tried to help remotely. Not that it is the mode for all but. Whining?
I have wondered about this: is it possible that the older folks are more aware of the injustices of the world and hence kinder?
[QUOTE=Frannie;1437695]The problem with the shoe shine boys is that they are in a dieing industry, because so many people these days don't wear leather shoes that can be polished.[/QUOTE]And when has that ever stopped them? I've had mfs offer to shine the flip flops I was wearing. No joke.
[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1437696]Like you, I like to pick apart the BS too. Another tactic is to claim they hate dominican men. And you are supposed to deduce that is why she is with you. Meanwhile her having kids by dominican men tell a different story.[/QUOTE]That's because Dominicanos beat their women and they aren't nice to them.
[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1437707][b]As men we are used to being the aggressor and using our years of experiences to lie, tell bitches what they want to hear, and run game.[/b] In Sosua, its the opposite. The putas are the aggressors running game that has been perfected through hundreds of encounters with guys from every corner of the earth fucking them for money.[/QUOTE]Exactly. So why is it so hard for game to recognize game in these cases?
[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1437707]Now you even got Sosua mongers peacocking in Sosua with white suits, ect. For putas.[/QUOTE]Now that is hilarious. In competition to get the best chica to whom to give their money.
[QUOTE=OldKool;1437737]I have been in homes of local working people. THey buy food for one day at a time. They are in a state of constant need. The girls have to buy food, utilities and rent. Often they live with extended family. They never know if they will have food...Every peso is precious. [/QUOTE]Come on man. In most countries on this planet the people buy food one day at a time. For 1, they want it fresh. For 2, they don't have storehouses in their homes as we do in the USA. There isn't room for all of that. Like my place in Thailand, I don't have room for a bunch of shit. So I eat out everyday. It's cheaper anyway. But again, I have never seen a Dominican who even looked remotely as if they were starving. So where does this "They never know if they will have food" stuff come from? Too many Sally Struthers commercials. If every peso was that precious you would never find them with a Presidente Light in hand. I remember riding through a neighborhood in Puerto Plata with Gogo and he made a comment about the Dominican guys and kids just hanging on the corner and not doing shit with themselves. As many times as I have seen that same scenario, I have never once seen them with a worried look on their faces about how they would get their next meal.
[url]http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/150037/sally-struthers[/url]
[url]http://www.hulu.com/watch/5062[/url]
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1437774]That's because Dominicanos beat their women and they aren't nice to them.[/QUOTE]Of course men beat women all over (and in some places get jailed for that and in others, not). The point made by WRX is still valid: That it is a dumb excuse. These women see beating all around them, grow up with that and screw the first male when they are ready, who is typically a local and when they are abused themselves, discover religion. In their defense, Domenicans are all they see when they come of age. Not the non-beaters and non-abusers from other lands, in most cases.
[QUOTE=Frannie; 1437695]The problem with the shoe shine boys is that they are in a dieing industry, because so many people these days don't wear leather shoes that can be polished. I have found that they do a good job of shining shoes when given a chance.
And who says that begging is not a job?
I refer you to the extraordinary case of The Man With The Twisted Lip:
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Synopsis for those who are short of time:
Mr. Neville St. Clair, a respectable and punctual country businessman, has disappeared. Making the matter even more mysterious is that Mrs. St. Clair is quite sure that she saw her husband at a second-floor window of the opium den, in Upper Swandam Lane, a rather rough part of town near the docks. He withdrew into the window immediately, and Mrs. St. Clair is quite sure that there was something very wrong.
Naturally, she tries to enter the building, but her way was blocked by the opium den's owner. She quickly fetches the police, but they cannot find Mr. St. Clair. The room, in whose window she saw her husband, is that of a dirty, disfigured beggar, well known to the police, by the name of Hugh Boone. The police are about to put this report down as a mistake of some kind when Mrs. St. Clair spots and identifies a box of wooden bricks that her husband said he would buy for their son. A further search turns up some of her husband's clothes. Later, his coat, with the pockets full of several pounds' worth of pennies and halfpennies, is found in the Thames just below the building.
The beggar is arrested and locked up at the police station, and Holmes initially is quite convinced that Mr. St. Clair has been the unfortunate victim of murder. However, several days after Mr. St. Clair's disappearance, his wife receives a letter in his own writing. The arrival of this letter forces Holmes to reconsider his conclusions, leading him eventually to an extraordinary solution. Taking a bath sponge to the police station in a Gladstone bag, Holmes washes Boone's still-dirty face, causing his face to be revealed — the face of Neville St. Clair! Upon Mr. St. Clair's immediate confession, this solves the mystery, and also creates a few problems.
It seems that Mr. St. Clair has been leading a double life, one of respectability, and the other as a beggar. In his youth, he had been an actor before becoming a newspaper reporter. In order to research an article, he had disguised himself as a beggar for a short time, during which he earned a very large amount of money. Later in his life, he returned to the street to beg for several days in order to pay a large debt. Given a choice between his newspaper salary and his high beggar earnings, he eventually became a professional beggar. His takings were large enough that he was able to establish himself as a country gentleman, marry well, and begin a respectable family. His wife never knew what he did for a living, [/QUOTE]-I don't know what your story is about I didn't read it but at the beginning you say-
-the problem with shoeshine is its a dieing industry-The problem is THEY ARE HUSTLERS NOT SHOESHINE BOYS
[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1437712]I will keep it short : Do I really need to ask for feedback? I am voicing my opinion on what you wrote in a public forum which also comes with approval and censure from the gallery. Get used to it. I also know you will continue to view the world your way and I will too. According to the hue of my glasses. 'enough said![/QUOTE]No it's not about needing to ask for feedback. And you didn't just voice your opinion. You tried to assign an erroneous account of my conveyance. You claim you was wondering about something. Well if you wonder about something, the intelligent thing is to ask so you get it right. Not make up a contrived interpretation and then have to file a disclaimer in case it doesn't stick. Thats all I'm saying.