Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2807197]So I just finished booking my flight from Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro and it was probably the most frustrating flight booking experience of my life. I'm kicking myself for not booking the flight earlier because the shorter term flight prices are completely out of control. The flight I booked was for April 22nd, but I wanted to fly on April 20th.

It usually costs under $50 USD to fly from SP to RJ but everything for the next 8 days has skyrocketed to the $400 dollar range. Even if the booking company says they have some flights available for $100, I will fill out all the info and then it will tell me that the price is now $700.

The LATAM website is also another entity that can go fuck itself. The price changes dramatically if you are using the Brazilian website, or the international version (about 4 x more expensive). As a foreigner trying to book a flight on the Brazil website, it only tells me that the selected flight is now full.

Is this typical behaviour for Brazilian airlines? Is there any point in waiting to see if the prices go down at all, or do they pretty much only go up?[/QUOTE]Yes, they charge much higher prices to foreigners. If you try to book on the Brazilian website, you'll get stuck when they require you to enter your CPF (Brasilian taxpayer's number). Only way is to go to the airline office yourself when you are in Brasil. Oddly enough, at the airline office they have only one price, at least they did when I booked a ticket to Navegantes at GOL in Sao Paulo. You may need to arm yourself with patience if there is a queue.

The LATAM website is horrible. I was once stuck in Lima wanting to reschedule my flight back to Brasil. No way. The ticket was rescheduleable I knew, but the website wouldn't let me. Luckily my Peruvian friend knew someone at a travel agency who could at least rebook my flight for a fee.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2804457]Since it is so quiet here. I will add some comments.

It depends. Medellin has much larger daytime scene. The main difference to me and why SP is far superior is the service level and cleanness of the rooms when we are comparing places similar to clinicas. In most places in Medellin, you won't get DFK or kissing, BBBJ at all without an upcharge. DFK or kissing is difficult to get or not very good. The rooms are often nasty by clinica standard. I think not changing sheets between session is normal. You may not have hot water. Some higher price ones may change sheet but I could never tell. There is only one that I have been to that I saw the girl change sheet like the clinica and I have been to many but this one has a shared bathroom so still not perfect. More money may not buy you more service without upcharge. The one that charge more than clinica has the most limited service but they do have best looking girls on average. There are exceptions to the generalization of service above but the rooms are usually bad that some mongers simply won't enjoy that environment.

If you like Rio Centro, then Medellin will be paradise to you if you have enough time. The key is you need time to gain experience to get what you want while everything in Brazil is somewhat automatic.

Based on the above, I would say for short stay Brazil is better because it's far less effort for newbies. But other experienced members that I also respect have said if differently. One has to decide what is more important and I hope this will help you make an informed decision.[/QUOTE]My 2 cents, from what I've read about Colombia, it seems comparisons between Brazil and Colombia overlook two major downsides of Colombia:

1) Hotels in Colombia are by default NOT girl-friendly.

2) Accessing your cash in Colombia is difficult. ATMs in Colombia give out only small amounts and sometimes steal your money (in Brazil you get 2500 Real free of charge at Bradesco). I'm not even talking about living in Colombia and banking there, apparently Colombian banks are among the most rapacious in South America, collecting fees even for withdrawing money with a local card from your own Colombian bank account!

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2807197]So I just finished booking my flight from Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro and it was probably the most frustrating flight booking experience of my life. I'm kicking myself for not booking the flight earlier because the shorter term flight prices are completely out of control. The flight I booked was for April 22nd, but I wanted to fly on April 20th.

It usually costs under $50 USD to fly from SP to RJ but everything for the next 8 days has skyrocketed to the $400 dollar range. Even if the booking company says they have some flights available for $100, I will fill out all the info and then it will tell me that the price is now $700.

The LATAM website is also another entity that can go fuck itself. The price changes dramatically if you are using the Brazilian website, or the international version (about 4 x more expensive). As a foreigner trying to book a flight on the Brazil website, it only tells me that the selected flight is now full.

Is this typical behaviour for Brazilian airlines? Is there any point in waiting to see if the prices go down at all, or do they pretty much only go up?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.bacctravel.com/[/URL]

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Try calling these or any other dedicated Brazilian travel agency to at least see if they can provide you with cheaper tickets or at least direct you to where you can obtain cheaper tickets. If not, deal with online purchase if it's critical that you make advance purchase of tickets.

I have always found it better to purchase "inter-country" travel while still in airport, purchase at the Airline desk prior to catching my transportation to hotel. Or during my stay just going to the local airline office if it's close or any travel agency that is close to where I'm staying, usually able to obtain cheaper tickets.

[QUOTE=XXL;2807566]My 2 cents, from what I've read about Colombia, it seems comparisons between Brazil and Colombia overlook two major downsides of Colombia:

1) Hotels in Colombia are by default NOT girl-friendly.

2) Accessing your cash in Colombia is difficult. ATMs in Colombia give out only small amounts and sometimes steal your money (in Brazil you get 2500 Real free of charge at Bradesco). I'm not even talking about living in Colombia and banking there, apparently Colombian banks are among the most rapacious in South America, collecting fees even for withdrawing money with a local card from your own Colombian bank account![/QUOTE]However, the hotel issue in Colombia can easily be avoided. For example, one can rent an airbnb and this issue is no longer there.

Regarding item 2 above, I really don't see why it is so difficult to access your cash in Colombia. I have been doing it for 10 years and never had an issue.

Anybody know is there is such a thing as "privados" or VIP rooms or booths where you can "test" the girl for 10 minutes before taking them to a room? I love theses booths in Hong Kong, Tijuana.

[QUOTE=RudyMuller888;2807365]I keep seeing the acronym and I cannot for the life of me figure it out! Thanks![/QUOTE]ABG is a milestone in this forum. After he died the São Paulo forum went dead.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2807786]ABG is a milestone in this forum. After he died the So Paulo forum went dead.[/QUOTE]My visits to Brazil used to always be to Rio and on occasion I was in transit in SP to Rio. ABG's posts were in fact responsible for me visiting Sao Paulo and there has been no looking back.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2807919]My visits to Brazil used to always be to Rio and on occasion I was in transit in SP to Rio. ABG's posts were in fact responsible for me visiting Sao Paulo and there has been no looking back.[/QUOTE]Lots of guys are going to Sao Paulo now and I think this thread is 1,000 times better than it used to be because, not only is it far more active, but we now have a much broader spectrum of experiences and opinions about where to go and what to do in Sampa. Yes there are the clinicas, but there's so, so much more than that people have discovered and enjoyed and shared intel with everybody here. And now for me, just like you, Sao Paulo is an essential part of any trip to Brazil.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2807929]Lots of guys are going to Sao Paulo now and I think this thread is 1,000 times better than it used to be because, not only is it far more active, but we now have a much broader spectrum of experiences and opinions about where to go and what to do in Sampa. Yes there are the clinicas, but there's so, so much more than that people have discovered and enjoyed and shared intel with everybody here. And now for me, just like you, Sao Paulo is an essential part of any trip to Brazil.[/QUOTE]ABG's experiences and assistance were of great value. However, clinica discussions dominated the SP thread during the height of ABG's tour guide business.

So I agree. I think the SP forum has flourished with broader experiences. There's still plenty of posts on the clinicas. I'm surprised no local has picked up where ABG left off.

Mate, sorry for your experience but SP I would say is not the place to be calling websites or agents or any of the sort. You go to the boates you speak with the women you like, you see if theres a feeling and you take them there or you take them to hotel / flat. Thats the best experience ever, and for that SP is unparalleled. I haven't been to Colombia yet, but been all over US, Europe, Asia and don't think there's a better city / ease of being a punter than SP. With soooo many different types of women, because that's the thing about Brazil and SP. You want skinny? They have? Blonde? Yes sir! Big? There's also that, all types of working professional women exist in that city. That I'm completely sure no other city on earth has.

[QUOTE=LatamHunter;2807184]My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.

I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.

The main thing that I noticed is that in So Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.

I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.

I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".

I said yeah if not I'm out.

I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.

Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like.

Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.

But even then after sampling like out here I am not too impressed.

For the price of comming out here and the inflated prices these girls are charging I would go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

Casarão Sunday is a good bet, probably not the whole place will be open but it will have women and less men so good for you. Bahamas is the "only" boate open Sundays, I don't recommend.

I'm not a fan of website girls in SP, its expensive for the time you get and they tend to behave more like entitled princess. My feeling.

Try Scandallo, Cafe Photo and Bomboa for Boates.

[QUOTE=RudyMuller888;2807437]Currently my plan is to arrive early on Sunday the 23rd. Staying in the Hilton Morumbi (I know this is sub optimal location but it's one of the few hotels approved by my company). My hope is to hit a clinicas around mid morning. Is that even possible on a Sunday's? I have narrowed it down to palms, pro, lotus, and Prime. That evening I'the like to go to casarao because it's open Sunday. Will it be dead on Sunday? The rest of the week I hope to pull in an escort from a site for overnight and try scandello. Please let me know if I am missing anything!

This site has been incredibly helpful![/QUOTE]

For those who have visited multiple times or spend months / weeks during their stay, is there a slower time of year when there isn't as much action? I can imagine that the holidays are a little slower because of people wanting to spend time and money with family.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2807929]Lots of guys are going to Sao Paulo now and [b]I think this thread is 1,000 times better than it used to be[/b] because, not only is it far more active, but we now have a much broader spectrum of experiences and opinions about where to go and what to do in Sampa. Yes there are the clinicas, but there's so, so much more than that people have discovered and enjoyed and shared intel with everybody here. And now for me, just like you, [b]Sao Paulo is an essential part of any trip to Brazil[/b].[/QUOTE]I agree, especially the quality, depth, and detail of posts have significantly improved. There have even been a number of reports on new venues or seldom mentioned venues which means monger are venturing out and exploring a little more out of their comfort zone.

I also hope that reports start to come in on other areas of Brazil as well.

Quick question, how quiet is SP between roughly the 27th and 2nd of Jan? I am assuming slim pickings with a lot of people headed home or away on holiday? Would love to be wrong about that as its convenient timing for me.

Been to Rio three times for New Years now, not in the mood for that craziness. Any other decent destinations worth considering if SP is ghost town?

[QUOTE=XXL;2807566]My 2 cents, from what I've read about Colombia, it seems comparisons between Brazil and Colombia overlook two major downsides of Colombia:

1) Hotels in Colombia are by default NOT girl-friendly.

2) Accessing your cash in Colombia is difficult. ATMs in Colombia give out only small amounts and sometimes steal your money (in Brazil you get 2500 Real free of charge at Bradesco). I'm not even talking about living in Colombia and banking there, apparently Colombian banks are among the most rapacious in South America, collecting fees even for withdrawing money with a local card from your own Colombian bank account![/QUOTE]I did a detailed post on Colombian ATMs back in 2020. Basically I found that using my debit at ATMs was the best way to access cash in Colombia. Most ATMs have ridiculous fees on top of crappy exchange rates, but if you go the right ATMs you can get a decent rate.

I just arrived in SP so I don't know the best method to get cash or do an online payment.

PayPal doesn't give a great rate and apparently they take another 10% from the recipient? If true that's obscene.

I'm pretty sure only Brazilians can use Pix, can somebody confirm?

What do you guys recommend for ATMs or payment apps?