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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2461154]The funny thing is that it will be full with men who constantly talk shit about it on the internet but since it's the only open club and they have a terrible sex addiction issue, they'll rush to the club (and then they'll talk shit about it or maybe they'll say that it changed a lot and now it's a perfectly fine place).[/QUOTE]I think if you look harder you will find a couple more options.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2461210]It is called self-hatred. And it is usually voiced by people who have issues themselves, and wants to make changes in their lives. So they try to find ways of changing their habits. And while doing this, they also need to lay blame on, and demonize their own past.
So, it is never outwordy, and about P6 og FKK's at all. It is an inwordy discussion they are having. They just like to shout it all out for the sake of feng shui.[/QUOTE]Addiction have real medical meaning about not being able to control and suffering, nothing about being regular. When so many jealous about some others in brothels, some are even more interested by other guys than girls, but I would be much more jealous if I saw outside a beautiful woman with 2 children kissing with love her man, than about paid sex. In this business, our difference is what we are which make girls treat us in different way and really easy to notice in clubs how a girl feel with the guy, you can see very different behavior.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2461210]It is called self-hatred. And it is usually voiced by people who have issues themselves, and wants to make changes in their lives. So they try to find ways of changing their habits. And while doing this, they also need to lay blame on, and demonize their own past.
So, it is never outwordy, and about P6 og FKK's at all. It is an inwordy discussion they are having. They just like to shout it all out for the sake of feng shui.[/QUOTE]I have habits of buying beautiful prostitutes since when I was 17 or 18 years old and this is the habits that I keep secret, but I am very proud of my accomplishment of fucking so many beautiful girls. As a man, having fucked so many beautiful stunners are good thing, but it is somehow denounced by society for their own torture. At least, for some of us mongers, we lived life to the fullest in sex area of our life when we die. Isn't it amazing?
I am a sex addict who can control myself as I do not jump on random strangers, but I love fucking young beautiful girls, it is one of the greatest pleasure in life that make me feel so alive. I understand mongers hiding it in their private lives like I do, but I do not understand why some mongers criticize other mongers for being sex addict as we are all in same cave fucking same set of girls in FKK.
Having said that, we are on the right path, we have been and we will always will be on this path leading up to young beautiful girls pussy or anal, so monger on mongers, there is no shame in what we are doing, we are doing right thing in life as a man. We dreamed of it once when we were little boy and we managed to make that dream into reality.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2461210]It is called self-hatred. And it is usually voiced by people who have issues themselves, and wants to make changes in their lives. So they try to find ways of changing their habits. And while doing this, they also need to lay blame on, and demonize their own past.
So, it is never outwordy, and about P6 og FKK's at all. It is an inwordy discussion they are having. They just like to shout it all out for the sake of feng shui.[/QUOTE]I always maintain that guys who complain of others having too much sex have personal problems. When those complainers get in positions of power that is where the problem lies. Case in point NY mayor Rudy Giuliani who shut down the New York city sex industry had erectile dysfunction as do many men in high positions in the US, that is why the US sex industry is so dismal.
The problem is not having too much sex, the problem is getting totally obsessed by this hobby, spending all of one's free time in sex clubs and totally losing touch with reality, fantasizing about things that never happened, stalking the girls. We are talking about paysex, not some twisted kind of romance. Do you remember the young dude who fell in love with Janine in sharks? There is a time when you have to do something else, at least to save your sanity.
Reply from EL: I think that more guys with high positions have mistresses than the poor one, also there is sex outside visiting prostitutes, and for me at least my best sex was never with a prostitutes, I retired more or less from the P6 scene but that doesn't mean I am no more active, I just don't want to pay any more for average girls. It is possible if you are not to stupid to date average girls in the real life without having to pay for them.
France (10 percent GDP, 89 million foreign tourists, less than 4 percent from USA).
Spain (15 percent GDP, 82 million foreign tourists, less than 4 percent from USA).
Italy (10 percent GDP, 63 million foreign tourists, 9 percent from USA).
Germany (less than 5 percent GDP, 35 million foreign tourists and 7 percent from USA).
Looking at total trips made by EU residents, 71 percent made trips within their own country, 21 percent were to another EU country. And only 8 percent of the trips were outside the EU. Due to the pandemic, this 8 percent will probably be reluctant not travel outside of the EU, and instead will opt to holiday inside the EU. That should offset most of the money that American and Russian tourists would have spent.
168 million tourists entered the EU from non-EU countries in 2018. Breakdown: 23 percent from Asia, 17 percent came from North America, and 49 percent from United Kingdom, Iceland, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway, Turkey, Russia, Ukraine and other European countries.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Germany[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Italy[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Spain[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_France[/URL]
[URL]https://wolfstreet.com/2020/03/07/tourism-contributed-10-to-gdp-in-france-13-in-italy-15-in-spain-now-its-in-free-fall/[/URL]
[URL]https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20200323-1[/URL]
Reading your numbers McA, I'd say Italy and France for sure. But not so much Spain given the lower price point in Spain than in Germany. And most tourists in Spain are also Europeans. So the USD is of less importance. While in Italy and France, the tourism has a more global character, and so it is affected more by the USD. Germany falls in between on global / European reliance. But as you noted, has a higher percentage of american tourists of the total, than say France and Spain.
The general assumption I have, which I believe is more or less true, is that:
Asians think highly of France as a tourism destination, and think it is posh.
Europeans want to go to the Spanish beaches. And along the Spanish coasts, there are countless villages filled up with hundreds of thousands, or even a few million vacation homes owned by people from UK, Germany, Benelux and Scandinavia. Plus Spain also have the canary islands: the only place in EU where you can actually get a good vacation temperature from Dec.-Feb. Since the turn of the millennia, Turkey has come up as a second version of Spain, but fascist Erdogan has lately done his best to reverse some of this.
North Americans usually combine a trip to Europe to visit 3rd, or even 4th cousins, many of which hails from Germany, with some historical sights in Italy and Greece, and also to some extent Paris and London.
And then everybody likes Greece. But the Greeks have this above and below attitude towards tourism. And so the prices there are higher. They have double pricing some places (turkey is also terrible at this), and they really do think their sights are the best in the world. So they make that excuse to stay lazy and live off of only tourism for the entire year. Which doesn't always hold up.
Greece is probably loosing by this lockout the most by the way.
Personally speaking, I have zero appetite for any vacay in EU for the time being (or even in US, for that matter) and most of my friends circle are in a similar head space. A few are flying domestically for vacations, but with US seeing a renewed uptick, we may see this vacation impulse dwindle further. As such, this European ban on US tourists probably has very limited practical impact IMO, as not many were going to go anyway. But I thought it was a hoot, as our POTUS made a big deal in mid March about putting a ban on Europeans traveling to US (and excluded UK from that ban for a few days, as a reward for his buddy BoJo. Another joke, as UK ended up being the worst Covid spot in EU) and the roles are now reversed. This Wuhan virus has brought our country to its knees but our potus did not make the matters easy with his ineptness.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2461326]The problem is not having too much sex, the problem is getting totally obsessed by this hobby, spending all of one's free time in sex clubs and totally losing touch with reality, fantasizing about things that never happened, stalking the girls. We are talking about paysex, not some twisted kind of romance. Do you remember the young dude who fell in love with Janine in sharks? There is a time when you have to do something else, at least to save your sanity.[/QUOTE]Yes, totally agree with that. I do remember the young guy in love with Janine at Sharks. Once, while he was in the bathroom, I approached Janine sitting on the couch for a session and off we went! He gave me a bad look when I came down the stairs with a big grin on my face hand-in-hand with Janine. I had the same reaction from the guy, who was in love with Lena. De, always at Sharks. Priceless!
Rock.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2461326]The problem is not having too much sex, the problem is getting totally obsessed by this hobby, spending all of one's free time in sex clubs and totally losing touch with reality, fantasizing about things that never happened, stalking the girls. We are talking about paysex, not some twisted kind of romance. Do you remember the young dude who fell in love with Janine in sharks? There is a time when you have to do something else, at least to save your sanity.[/QUOTE]People are different, some men become Roman Catholic priests abstaining from sex their whole lives and others are mongers like BigBuddy69.
Wilt Chamberlain, was obsessed with sex but that did not prevent him from becoming the world's greatest basketballer of all time. He never got married and had sex with over 20,000 women.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2461184]Europe need USD and we even know we don't have so big sanitary risks from US, much more from Asia, but do you think Trump is a good, reliable ambassador for you, when he is so crazy. But Europe have to protect itself when we had around 200 000 deaths, too many, and Germany is even in trouble in some parts now.[/QUOTE]Europe need USD and not only for tourism, but Trump is a so bad image for us, dangerous crazy, same like with WGs, when they have bad image for me, I don't go. I m pretty sure with a much more clever than Trump, US would have been welcome in Europe before mid July, even Germany will still be closed for brothels, but not only Germany, when we know most of those who still need a gun under pillow to kill last Mohican on white horse with no name, don t travel much abroad, they prefer to count children or black killed.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2461557]People are different, some men become Roman Catholic priests abstaining from sex their whole lives and others are mongers like BigBuddy69.
Wilt Chamberlain, was obsessed with sex but that did not prevent him from becoming the world's greatest basketballer of all time. He never got married and had sex with over 20,000 women.[/QUOTE]As a rich celebrity, Wilt Chamberlain had an abundance of sexual opportunities as a part of his everyday life. In other words, he flirted with a White American stewardess while travelling to the next city with his teammates, then had a sexual encounter with her at his hotel the night before competition. Also he retired at age 27 a wealthy man. Your typical ISGer is not a retired one-percenter or a celebrity who has pretty civilian WGs from rich Western countries throwing themselves at him, so they make more sacrifices to have sex with young beauties.
BB69's point is that it is not about the physical act of sex. Here is a hypothetical example: Married executive working in downtown Frankfurt making half a million EUR per year. If this monger had a 60 minute booking everyday during his lunch break at an incall location less than 15 minutes from his office, I do not think that BB69 would characterise him as a sex-addicted monger obsessed with the hobby. Because such a monger is investing less than ten hours per week on the hobby, spending zero minutes per day reading and posting to forums, and spending only a fraction of his income.
Quotes from lawyer friend that suggest that Wilt Chamberlain probably did not have to sacrifice much to have sex with 20,000 women:.[QUOTE]"He made movies, wrote books, played music and tennis," Goldberg said. "He was a Renaissance man who happened to play basketball."
"Women would leap across the room to say hi to him," Goldberg said. "Whenever he came home and checked his voice mail, he'd have 30 to 40 messages from women."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-08-14-0108140231-story.html..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pistons;2461397]Greece is probably loosing by this lockout the most by the way.[/QUOTE]Of the EU member states, Greece is most dependent on tourists (up to 25 percent of its GDP). I posted statistics for Germany, France, Spain and Italy because I suspect these larger economies have more influence on which countries appear on the travel ban list. If Greece was in charge, I am sure they would have zero issues with letting Americans in. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Greece[/URL].
[QUOTE=Pistons;2461397]Reading your numbers McA, I'd say Italy and France for sure. But not so much Spain given the lower price point in Spain than in Germany. And most tourists in Spain are also Europeans. So the USD is of less importance. While in Italy and France, the tourism has a more global character, and so it is affected more by the USD. Germany falls in between on global / European reliance. But as you noted, has a higher percentage of american tourists of the total, than say France and Spain.[/QUOTE]The statistics show that almost half of Spain's tourists come from three countries: UK, Germany, and France. And over 20 percent come from UK. A British working class family of four may have lost some wages during this pandemic, and fuel is cheap, so will this British family just decide to do a holiday closer to home and travel by car this summer? If car travel becomes primary mode of holiday travel, then I think Spain's remoteness will result in less tourist traffic, which means French and Italian beach towns will be able to retain more domestic tourists and gain a bigger share of the the North European tourists.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2461397]Asians think highly of France as a tourism destination, and think it is posh.[/QUOTE]France and Italy are probably more dependent on Asian tourists then Spain. Chinese account for 30 percent of the spending on luxury goods worldwide and most of them do their luxury goods shopping outside of China. LV costs 50 percent more in China than in EU. Armani is 70 percent more. But is it worth the trouble and extra hassle for Chinese to travel to EU this year? [URL]https://theculturetrip.com/asia/china/articles/chinese-dominate-luxury-shoppers-in-europe-but-that-might-be-changing/[/URL].
So right!
It's also the thrill of getting what you want from these young, beautiful girls against money. Being frustrated with the lockdown, I have found myself a GF. But it's not the same. I can't expect her to do everything I want.
I can't treat her like a working girl. How much I miss that!
[QUOTE=MrHo;2461284]I have habits of buying beautiful prostitutes since when I was 17 or 18 years old and this is the habits that I keep secret, but I am very proud of my accomplishment of fucking so many beautiful girls. As a man, having fucked so many beautiful stunners are good thing, but it is somehow denounced by society for their own torture. At least, for some of us mongers, we lived life to the fullest in sex area of our life when we die. Isn't it amazing?
I am a sex addict who can control myself as I do not jump on random strangers, but I love fucking young beautiful girls, it is one of the greatest pleasure in life that make me feel so alive. I understand mongers hiding it in their private lives like I do, but I do not understand why some mongers criticize other mongers for being sex addict as we are all in same cave fucking same set of girls in FKK.
Having said that, we are on the right path, we have been and we will always will be on this path leading up to young beautiful girls pussy or anal, so monger on mongers, there is no shame in what we are doing, we are doing right thing in life as a man. We dreamed of it once when we were little boy and we managed to make that dream into reality.[/QUOTE]