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Addiction is accompanied by dependence and withdrawal syndrome. Dependence is both physical and psychological. There is desensitization. Excessive or repeated consumption alone would not qualify as addiction. I drink coffee every day or multiple times on many days. But I also never get a headache on days when I do not consume coffee, I do not crave it, and I can go multiple days w / o coffee w / o any physical effects. I would characterize my interest in paid sex in the same category as coffee, in that when the chance presents I do partake a good amount of paid sex but lack of consumption of paid sex for extended periods does not seem to bother me. Due to Covid risk, I have even stayed away from my sugar babes and they are plenty, in easy reach and desperately seeking money in these tough times. The only thing I seem to be somewhat addicted is social networks. Not necessarily on this site which is new to me (one year+) but some other social forums and whatsapp groups etc. However, while I have increased my usage of these social networks in this period of WFH, I don't believe I will have physical or psychological impact if I withdraw from this activity in total suddenly.

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2461588]So right!

It's also the thrill of getting what you want from these young, beautiful girls against money. Being frustrated with the lockdown, I have found myself a GF. But it's not the same. I can't expect her to do everything I want.

I can't treat her like a working girl. How much I miss that![/QUOTE]I actually had very fond memories from normal girls relationships as most of my normal girlfriends when it comes to sex and in part also from daily life too, but these things come with indirect cost both money, time and effort 24/7 doing things that I do not really want to do, so that I can retain the relationship, so I can have sex.

Mongering always has been side safety net like thing for me till I became around 26, but more I grow older and wiser or rational, I began to realize that all I want from women are to be beautiful and sexual, I tend to not like accompany of women, I used to do all the courting that is so irrational, so I can get sex, but rational character that I am, I found better path that fit my personality, which is efficient mongering. The game changed for me when I realized that mongering industry constantly offer stunners that are around 20 years old, so I did the simple math, which one is better for the life I like to live.

All escorts are open here in Tokyo, but I have not been to it because I am not frustrated; I just went to mongering trip in end of Jan and early Feb, so I am quite OK, but more than that, I am 40 years old this year and I have been mongering for 22 or 23 years now this year, so I fucked so many beautiful girls throughout my life that I have reached little bit of sexual zen stage. I even think I will not go to FKK this year, or even next with this pandemic going on. Why risk messing up my lung permanently, plus, I already by coincidence accomplish my set goal of going on mongering trip at least once a year every year. I guess the fate of mongering forced my to go earl this year, so I could accomplish that goal of mine this year too LOL.

I will continue to monger for rest of my life and sex with beautiful women only because it is one of very important thing in my life as a man to able to say I lived my life to the fullest. Unfortunately, due to societal denouncement, I cannot openly talk about mongering part of my life, but I often realize how lucky I am and some of us mongers are for able to accomplish every man's dream of continuously fucking only beautiful stunner girls. I fucked few stunner porn stars and it is very fulfilling feeling to stand in center of Tokyo to realized, wow I fucked girls that most of men here walking now jerked off to before in their life. I turned dream into reality where as those who denounce mongers spend their life jerking off to some porn stars that they will never fuck in reality.

It is funny how human kind denounce and has been oppressing man's nature: lust for beautiful girls. I would say over 90 percent of men ever lived wasted their life away locked up in their brainwashed ideology prison that society install to their brain via TV, education and various other media channel, but they choose to imprison themselves for their own misery. So they can keep on jerking off for rest of their life and stick their penis into love of their life old aging wife's old pussy.

However, some of us can think for ourselves and found a better way to live the life we want to live, so we have different more beautiful holes of our choice to stick our penis into. Monger on mongers.

Reply from EL: I am not proud to fuck prostitutes, it is really not a performance, the performance would be to achieve the same with none prostitute without paying. Never a girl refused me in 15.

Years of mongering. We keep it secret because in fact we are not proud, for sure if we were able to do it with none prostitutes we will advertise it a lot.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2461542]Yes, totally agree with that. I do remember the young guy in love with Janine at Sharks. Once, while he was in the bathroom, I approached Janine sitting on the couch for a session and off we went! He gave me a bad look when I came down the stairs with a big grin on my face hand-in-hand with Janine. I had the same reaction from the guy, who was in love with Lena. De, always at Sharks. Priceless!

Rock.[/QUOTE]Being in love with prostitute is dangerous thing, sometimes it lead to murder or some kind of violence acts. Both mongers and prostitutes should be careful with this to avoid further misfortune that took place in FKK before.

In FKK, we buy sex and illusions, not love, but for some new guys on the block, it is confusing because some girls do really provide you with outstanding sex with so many sweet things to say to you with sweet treatment. It is nice illusions to buy, but bad illusion to believe.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2461557]People are different, some men become Roman Catholic priests abstaining from sex their whole lives and others are mongers like BigBuddy69.

Wilt Chamberlain, was obsessed with sex but that did not prevent him from becoming the world's greatest basketballer of all time. He never got married and had sex with over 20,000 women.[/QUOTE]Of course Roman Catholic Priests abstain from sex with beautiful girls all their life because they tend to fancy men, they prefer man to man anal actions, not with women like we do.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2461642]Addiction is accompanied by dependence and withdrawal syndrome. Dependence is both physical and psychological. There is desensitization. Excessive or repeated consumption alone would not qualify as addiction. I drink coffee every day or multiple times on many days. But I also never get a headache on days when I do not consume coffee, I do not crave it, and I can go multiple days w / o coffee w / o any physical effects. I would characterize my interest in paid sex in the same category as coffee, in that when the chance presents I do partake a good amount of paid sex but lack of consumption of paid sex for extended periods does not seem to bother me. Due to Covid risk, I have even stayed away from my sugar babes and they are plenty, in easy reach and desperately seeking money in these tough times. The only thing I seem to be somewhat addicted is social networks. Not necessarily on this site which is new to me (one year+) but some other social forums and whatsapp groups etc. However, while I have increased my usage of these social networks in this period of WFH, I don't believe I will have physical or psychological impact if I withdraw from this activity in total suddenly.[/QUOTE]Many write here without knowing anything about real medical meaning and same about many other things, just from frustration. For me, much more interesting to see big differences in clubs, just real facts. Yesterday my eyes smiled so much at Amesia, when I'm bored of prostitutes images, when Globe lost chic and charm, but it was Christmas time for my eyes used to elegance, chic and beauty. When Megan twin for face and she comes from same town, put off her clothes, when I saw her superb pears shape natural tits without silicon, her angel face with so beautiful smile, her round ass, her nails, her skin, and wow rare aura for second one, chic, charm and elegance in a brothel, more and more rare now, only pandas at Globe now but they are very hidden, was it suffering, or pleasure? I m afraid I may return today to give again pleasure to my eyes and mind, even I know my best pleasure will to go to ski for maximum attack in Tignes on July. Each one should just be able to enjoy on own level and not only about money but even more about level with women, rather than getting more and more frustrated, when I confirm manners paid me about 20 mn for free in Switzerland when cost could have been 160 CHF more, but 2 girls wanted to be sure I finished and enjoyed with them. Maybe I was lucky about slow business. When some are just getting big frustration in clubs. I remember before starting here on end of 2014 , I was for 2 years on another forum written in French with same name coming from how call me my Russian escorts, I was just discovering FKK land on end of 2012 , but writing my weekly visits all around, I made claimed experts on this forum becoming mad crazy, they wanted to meet the new alien, for sure when meeting some, we couldn't have same experiences. Your face, not being fat and of course manners, skill and a bit of knowledge about women, learned with my love for my girlfriends, help a lot in brothels when money is not always all. When I started DATY, first one who was on her fifth day in this business, understood, then she wide opened, asking me to give her pleasure, then turned to magic passionate, nothing about ridiculous love with a girl fucked by everybody, but just pleasure and emotions, not only boring emptying balls filling a hole. Second with wow look even turned too wild for me, but funny to see chic elegance becoming crazy, even losing a bit of sensuality I prefer. We have to be able to make own pleasure according to our level.

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Pessimist, Ho, Turgid:

The term "sexual addiction" distracts a bit from BB69's main point (he can correct me at anytime). Let's refocus on the second part of what BB69 said: "obsessed with the hobby, losing touch with reality, fantasizing about things that never happened".

Here is another hypothetical example: Monger has a 200 day per year habit of seeing WGs and then one day he tragically gets into a car accident and becomes a paraplegic who can no longer feel anything below the waist. Such a man could still be obsessed with the hobby. He can still spend 18 hours a day reading and posting to sex forums. Lonely and isolated, this man's fantasies serve as his companionship and entertainment. At some point, the lines between imagination and reality blur. He no longer differentiates memories from his fantasies with memories from actual events. He may read a report from Sharks the previous week about a new 18 yo WG that just arrived. A few days later, he has a fantasy about visiting the club and having an amazing GFE session with her, and posts his field report. To us readers, he would be lying, but if this monger believes everything that he writes, I do not know if we can characterise this as lying.

The above might seem like a contrived example, but WGs deal with men like this in the clubs all the time, less extreme of course.

[QUOTE]"Psychotic and delusional stalkers simply cannot separate fact from fiction. Even an imaginary love is better than no love at all. All delusional stalkers hold onto a fixed false belief that keeps them bonded to their victims. The core of their obsession is based on fantasy; what they cannot attain in reality is achieved through this fantasy.

[b]The typical profile of delusional stalkers is that of a single, socially immature loner, who has been unable to establish or sustain close relationships with others[/b]. Delusional stalkers rarely date and have had few, if any, sexual relationships. They usually come from an emotionally barren or severely abusive childhood; growing up to have a very poor sense of their own identities. Most delusional stalkers have a predisposition toward psychosis.[/QUOTE]Thoughts on above: (1) I believe that WG definitely falls under the category of a "helping profession", (2) I believe the "socially immature loner" is more prevalent in the FKK clubs than the general population. Most of them are well-behaved, easy-going gentleman, but a small fraction go on to become unhinged, delusional stalkers.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2461684]................It is funny how human kind denounce and has been oppressing man's nature: lust for beautiful girls. I would say over 90 percent of men ever lived wasted their life away locked up in their brainwashed ideology prison that society install to their brain via TV, education and various other media channel, but they choose to imprison themselves for their own misery. So they can keep on jerking off for rest of their life and stick their penis into love of their life old aging wife's old pussy.

However, some of us can think for ourselves and found a better way to live the life we want to live, so we have different more beautiful holes of our choice to stick our penis into. Monger on mongers.[/QUOTE]When I was a teenager I used to walk by an area where there were prostitutes, one in particular used to say in graphic and obscene terms what she wanted to do to me. I was really scared of her in particular and them in general. I used to walk a much longer route when I could just to avoid having to pass there. I never thought in my wildest dreams then that I could ever have sex with a prostitute. Then my brother started hanging out with guys some of whom banged hookers and he tried it eventually. He used to tell me of his escapades and I would think better him than me. Then one night when I was bored he was going out and invited me to go to a brothel with him and I said what the heck. We were drinking and I noticed this petite girl who was not bad looking. My brother chose a girl and off he went, when he returned he offered to pay for my session which in my semi-inebriated state I accepted, with the petite girl whose name I still remember, Sandra (this was 48 years ago). The rest is history. I always think that if I did not have a brother like that I would have been among the over 90% of men who never banged a prostitute.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2461791]I always think that if I did not have a brother like that I would have been among the over 90% of men who never banged a prostitute.[/QUOTE]According to this older study (consistent with others I have seen), about 14% of American men owned up to seeing prostitutes. Build in a "liar factor", and the percentage is probably a little higher than this: [URL]https://www.livescience.com/28169-men-who-use-prostitutes.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=TheCane;2461806]According to this older study (consistent with others I have seen), about 14% of American men owned up to seeing prostitutes. Build in a "liar factor", and the percentage is probably a little higher than this: [URL]https://www.livescience.com/28169-men-who-use-prostitutes.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]And in the rest of the world much much higher. You are privileged enough to think only in terms of the Premier Sex Penitentiary and Correctional Facility in the world.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2461845]And in the rest of the world much much higher. You are privileged enough to think only in terms of the Premier Sex Penitentiary and Correctional Facility in the world.[/QUOTE]Why thank you! American "exceptionalism" for sure!

Philosophy abounds with people who warn against following the flock of sheep and beware of brainwashing. Our entire society is built on myths / laws / mores that enables groups beyond about 150 to function. But is still a big church of differing religions, politics, wealth and income distribution. As to the Johns classes, it is not that long ago that Alan Turing was judicially tortured for being gay, and there are many recent examples of the tools of psychiatrists to "correct" proscribed behavior. Laying down little judgments, funny looks its how it starts and progresses to prisons, used for such things as not believing in religion or the wrong religion / creed / sexuality etc etc. It's doubtful there is much "normal" in sexual behavior because the data refuses to cooperate with bell curve nonsense. It becomes even more erratic because of the liar factor and second order effects.

Mongering was extremely common in the past and normalized. It still is in many places and will be around for the foreseeable future. Anyone who has been to Gambia or South Africa know that white women pay for young men, and same in ancient Rome.

As far as mongering goes, banging lots of young beauties is fine, just as sampling different restaurants, movies, etc is fine. The moral issues mask deeper power plays about reproduction of economic units that requires a stable support arrangement for women and kids and also the limited shelf life of womens fertility. Monogamous sex is thought to be the glue to this in Western culture, though other societies less so. P4 P undermines this. The John Classes claim to "cure" paying for sex, on the presumption men lack impulse control and that P4 P is rape and violence towards women (as a proxy for other frustrations) disguised by the exchange of cash, based on the notion women selling sex have no choice or agency in the matter and are all effectively trafficked and / or under age / insert buzz phrase. Also buried in their typical "training" materials is that the johns need the therapy to form "normal" relationships on the flawed assumption they are loners without friends and love and are dysfunctional. As you can see, some pretty huge assumptions exist. They are based of pure assertion without any serious empirical evidence.

The Nordic model goes even further, aiding one side of the equation and punishing the other that would not exist but for aiding the first half. The end result is criminalizing sexual desire, but practically only for men. But if I employ a woman to clean my toilets and scrub pots and pans or factory work in really shitty conditions and law pay, that's apparently OK, and not an addiction, no matter how much it affects the dignity, health or happiness of the worker.

Why is that when sex is involved in the exchange of labor for money, it suddenly needs "corrective" therapy?

The lurking issue seems to be unbundling of monogamy and financial / emotional support of women. Putting a price on youth, beauty and delaying the use of fertility to create new economic units. A secondary issue is womens' "shelf life" to snag a man. Women are extremely aware of fading looks and the window of opportunity. The population replacement rate is very carefully monitored by governments via census, vital statistics and the same with demographics of commerce and industry. The issue seems to be that men will not "settle down" and devote their time / money / energy to reproduction of economic units if they can conveniently buy sex as a service. The Nordic model, shorn of its emotive and other assumptions of men being dysfunctional beings, seems to boil down to a power play to hand back forced bundling and lack of price comparison to women and create a Faustian bargain with the reproduction of economic units.

The irony is the promoters of Nordic model fail to see the parallels with witch trials they also presumably condemn.

Instead of this unpersuasive position, it gets dressed up an pseudo medico speak to justify the restriction of freedom of half the populations sexual desires with consenting, adult women. The Johns classes have as much validity at political re-education camps (or gulags), what they did to Turing, heretics, blasphemy, and the other nonsense throughout history. That vast majority of folks here are perfectly healthy and have fully functional social bonds. Romantic sex is not a per-condition to a healthy person any more than marriage. Nor is romantic sex a necessary (or even sufficient) component of being functioning human. The divorce statistics explode the myth. This romance-for-sex narrative is as dysfunctional as the supposed cash-for-sex narrative and febrile claims of the Nordic model and "Johns Classes" proponents.

So, lets see our hobby as a choice based in biology, the normal range of social choices, and not some dark and sick secret of dysfunctional, loner men. I'm sick of this BS. I've met and slept with hundreds of workers and by and large they are quite content relative to the economic alternatives, if not a happily mystified about the power a pretty female holds over men. Many like that power and like the freedom, cash and so on. The feminists will be dismayed to know many working girls enjoy sex with some of their customers and do freebies.

May COVID end so we can again admire the bodies / brains and ravish some beautiful young women soon!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2461362]It is possible if you are not to stupid to date average girls in the real life without having to pay for them.[/QUOTE]Some of us have tried and even bought books on how to do it!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2461362]It is possible if you are not too stupid to date average girls in the real life without having to pay for them.[/QUOTE]But I actually like paying pretty ones for sex on a "cash and carry" basis. And then when it's all done, they leave! No strings attached. This is what I prefer.