Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1438147]Can you explain how food is cheaper in Los Charamicos, possibly giving some examples of prices of common commodity items compared to, say, the Playero supermarket? I don't spend much time there, but my impression is that colmado prices are at least 25% higher than supermarket prices on many basic items like milk, cheese, eggs, or juice, though it is true that one can buy fresh fruits cheaper from street vendors or direct off the truck. However when it comes to things like meat, milk, eggs, bread, rice, etc, the prices may not be quite as cheap as you think when you do the math. Part of the reason for this is that the colmado may sell small quantities, like 3 eggs, but at a high mark-up. And then a 6 gallon tank of propane for cooking is about 600 pesos plus transportation and delivery costs.

Yes, there is a lot of produce in the countryside, but it all belongs to someone (the farmer) and is not free for everyone to pick. Possibly you are confusing the DR with the Garden of Eden. Again, can you give some actual examples from experience of what you are talking about. I think there would be problems if the inhabitants of Los Charamicos started marauding into local agricultural areas in search of U-Pick food, though I sometimes suspect that some of the vendors who carry fruit on their heads in Sosua may have raided someone's back yard mango or avocado trees.

I have had a neighbor's child (age 6) raiding my fridge for yoghurt, which I had to put a stop to. Then he asked if he could have some water with sugar in it, apparently something he was used to getting at home. Ostensibly the family is not poor and has more than one source of income, but evidently food insecurity is never far away and you can't be sure that children are getting adequate nutrition as opposed to junk like sugar water.

Even the better off are not always THAT well off. For example my dentista has just one child of 5, but could not afford to send her for a summer course of swimming lessons in Puerto Plata although she has a full time job for government as a prison dentist plus a private practice in the afternoons in a dental office shared with her sister. (Of course she does not give her child sugar water either.)

As I have said before, with children it is not always simply a question of whether they will actually starve do death, but whether they will get adequate nutrition to grow up healthy and become productive adults.

However nothing I am saying here has any particular bearing on whether a particular chica was lying to a particular visitor on a particular occasion. I know that chicas may tell lies to extract money, but I think it is important for mongers to understand that the chicas they are dealing with are not on the same economic footing as themselves or they people they know back home, and that food insecurity is a real concern for many.[/QUOTE]You seem to be the expert on everything when it comes to supporting the "poor dominican people" theme-Take a walk to Charamico-go to the markets there see how much they want for their produce-I go I know-cost me 400 pesos for a weeks worth of groceries for breakfast and lunch. Don't believe me I don't really care. Pina 4 for 100 pesos eggs 6 pesos each-and another thing alot of the people are self sufficient-have farms.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto; 1437893]Did I assign an erroneous account of what I perceived to be complaints (or whining if you prefer)? A contrived interpretation?

Your post # 16365.

My original post: 16349.

So several reports after my original post, based on your report 16365, you are still lamenting about the putas, vis a vis the white Knights who go there to save them from perdition. Contrived? I did not put words in your mouth as your quote demonstrates.

Why should I not then wonder, and in case you wonder if I am still wondering, why ever you would set foot there? By the way, a disclaimer is to make sure I am not flaming. A civic tone is important in my view point no matter how different your and my opinion happen to be.[/QUOTE]This is how we are going to deal with this circular nonsense. The following acknowledgement from you is what I will take into consideration. Anything else you are saying now, is only your attempt at damage control.

"""""""As Socrates stated: " The only thing I know is that I know nothing". I also agree with you that it does not matter how others see you and yes, there are some who can relate to your experiences. I was giving my perspective and I certainly do not want to drag this into a diatribe. I just wondered, given the critique, as to why you would continue to visit the place but I stand corrected, you did find something good in the place. My experience tells me, no place that I know of is "unadulterated bliss".""""""""""""

1) You know that you know nothing. Thats good.

2) You recognize that some can relate to the perspective I shared. Thats good too.

3) You stand corrected, you admit I did find something good in the place. Very good.

This is the honest response from you that will suffice. Perhaps the next time you decide to go after a fellow monger on a personal level instead just sticking to the issues, you'll remember this exchange. We should be brothers here, not adversaries. You did a nice thing offering me tips in the Santiago forum, so it seems out of character for you to flip the script in this forum. However, so be it. We can either cyber shake now, or stay out of each others way.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1438190]This is the honest response from you that will suffice. Perhaps the next time you decide to go after a fellow monger on a personal level instead just sticking to the issues, you'll remember this exchange. We should be brothers here, not adversaries. You did a nice thing offering me tips in the Santiago forum, so it seems out of character for you to flip the script in this forum. However, so be it. We can either cyber shake now, or stay out of each others way.[/QUOTE]Sorry I did not remember about Santiago (and I will continue to share anything you or others are interested in) nor am I your enemy which is why my attempt at keeping it civil. Indeed, yesterday, in a riposte to Enternational, I defended your position and so my stance vis a vis you (or others) is personality agnostic. If I think you are right, I will say so, and the contrary as well. Nothing personal. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

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Hola Gents,

Was in Sosua a few months back and thinking about a return trip soon.

Anyone have the 411 on the availability of the staff at the "Spot"?

I saw a couple of nice looking ones waiting tables and bartending but wasn't certain on their "Status" I wasn't sure how to approach the situation without getting a drink dumped on me.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Zedman99;1438132]-Fruits are plentiful all over the island-their fucin' free-you can knock a coconut down and have the milk from it. Stupid fucin' gringos[/QUOTE]Not long ago I drove up the coast towards Samana, and I was surprised at all the fruits and vegetables I saw around beaches and other areas. I love avocado and I saw so many as well as tangerines and other fruit that had fallen from the trees. If you know how to fish, there is also a lot of good fish in the DR.

[QUOTE=ThunderDownUnder; 1438219]Hola Gents,

Was in Sosua a few months back and thinking about a return trip soon.

Anyone have the 411 on the availability of the staff at the "Spot"?

I saw a couple of nice looking ones waiting tables and bartending but wasn't certain on their "Status" I wasn't sure how to approach the situation without getting a drink dumped on me.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks![/QUOTE]They are all available, my boy owns that spot, Gregorio.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1438167]This part is interesting. Seems this delightful young chica is pretty smart. Her delightful demeanor triggered a response from you to agree to paying more money. And this is after she had already gratified your kinks for only 1000 pesos. When you look at it closer. You connected you seeing her again with the 200 pesos and speculated how that 200 pesos will somehow impact on her performance with you for your next encounter. So here's a question, if you didn't plan to see her again, you wouldn't have given her the 200 pesos?

The thing I'm particularly focused on is the potential error in judgement many of us mongers make in assuming or adopting the belief that giving more money ensures you the chica will pull out all stops to gratify your kinks for your next encounter. How can a monger predict or why would he assume that a particular chica is thinking the same thing he's thinking about the impact paying extra is going to have on a chicas future performance with him? Besides, what can she do different for that 200 pesos that she didn't do with you for the 1000 pesos? It's not like ya'll talked it over of what she was going to do next time?

The way I see it. The monger is setting himself up. The next encounter won't be less than 1200 pesos, with the likely hood of having to honor her next request for a propina. Then you will have to come up with another reason to justify why you are paying more when all you are going to get is the same performance. What it boils down to, you are not really buying anything for the extra money. Mongers demonstrate in their behavior and beliefs, concern or fear that if they don't give in to a request, something negative is going to result. The very least is spoiling the moment, changing a chicas mood from delight to disappoinment. Or putting you on a low priority list in the rotation of men she's fucking. Once you demonstrate to a chica forking over extra money is connected to your desire to see her again. You are potentially setting yourself up.[/QUOTE]It's a matter of degree. He pretty much demonstrated to her that he isn't a naive clown by giving her 1000 pesos, a fairly modest amount. A 200 propina on top of that (if she gave good service) is reasonable. I do agree with you that the typical overpaying monger sets himself up when he pays her "asking price." A precedent is set that if he doesn't give into her financial demands, she will then turn off the affection. But I don't think that's what Frannie was involved in with this particular chica. It seems pretty obvious he was the one in control of the exchange.

[QUOTE=Combo;1438369]But I don't think that's what Frannie was involved in with this particular chica. It seems pretty obvious he was the one in control of the exchange.[/QUOTE]Of course he knows what the market is like and is in control. He is smart, lives there and speaks the lingo and has a soul.

I have no idea about Sosua nowadays after my initial week and two days way back in 2011 so paying more than 1000, in my mind is a folly but if others feel like it, who am I to say no? We are all grown ups and use our judgment based on our perspective on life and if some gets away getting freebies, more power to them too.

I have paid 500 pesos to a chica in Santiago but also took her and her son to eat something they cannot afford. I have paid out money even without seeing the person (guess how) and some I will never even see in my life (simply because, in my seven days or so, it is physically impossible to see so many across various cities). In my humble experience though, the women, if you do them a favor, feel just like anyone else, indebted and at the first opportunity, will return the favor with what they have. Again in my experience. I would also say, most of the time, as Enternational says, giving is all about "me" so there is not much to crow about, as far as I am concerned.

Come on DEEP!

Save the thread of all this self rigorous bullshit and post a trip report dammit!

So much for having a "Sosua Reports" section!

Others, please send your impressive knowledgeable and informative PMs to each other and send the real trips reports in this section.

Deep, I'm counting on you!

El Perro Blanco

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1438297]Not long ago I drove up the coast towards Samana, and I was surprised at all the fruits and vegetables I saw around beaches and other areas. I love avocado and I saw so many as well as tangerines and other fruit that had fallen from the trees. If you know how to fish, there is also a lot of good fish in the DR.[/QUOTE]-You're absolutely on the mark-concerning fishing I've seen plenty of Dominicans fishing everyday and catchin' plenty with just "STRING N A home-made HOOK"

Thanks again-But some people are just stuck on their "POOR PUTA'S STORIES".they'll never learn.

----I've commented enough on the "POOR PUNTA'S BULLSHIT AND STARVIN" DOMINICAN'S"
read and decide for yourself-----just a side note----In Sosua I see plenty of PUTA'S who are a far cry from undernourished or street hustlers for that matter.

[QUOTE=Combo;1438369]It's a matter of degree. He pretty much demonstrated to her that he isn't a naive clown by giving her 1000 pesos, a fairly modest amount. A 200 propina on top of that (if she gave good service) is reasonable. I do agree with you that the typical overpaying monger sets himself up when he pays her "asking price." A precedent is set that if he doesn't give into her financial demands, she will then turn off the affection. But I don't think that's what Frannie was involved in with this particular chica. It seems pretty obvious he was the one in control of the exchange.[/QUOTE]I think it is a matter of personal style. I plan to have four or five encounters with this particular chica who has great erotic potential and imagination and I find that incentivization via small tips and encouraging verbal feedback works the best for me. A lot of these girls have low self esteem and so getting positive reinforcement from a high status male brings out their enthusiasm and a desire to please and excel. They may think they are getting me hooked, but the reverse may also apply. In any case, if a girl thinks that she might have potential novia status, that is the biggest incentive of all, even if they are quite mistaken.

However people do have different styles of interaction and I cannot say for sure whether what works for me will work equally for others.

[QUOTE=Combo;1438369]It's a matter of degree. He pretty much demonstrated to her that he isn't a naive clown by giving her 1000 pesos, a fairly modest amount. A 200 propina on top of that (if she gave good service) is reasonable. I do agree with you that the typical overpaying monger sets himself up when he pays her "asking price." A precedent is set that if he doesn't give into her financial demands, she will then turn off the affection. But I don't think that's what Frannie was involved in with this particular chica. It seems pretty obvious he was the one in control of the exchange.[/QUOTE]It wasnt stated clearly whether or not they agreed to 1000 pesos. But the fact is, she asked for more money. That indicates IMO, she wasnt satisfied with only 1000 pesos. Whats further interesting is. If she indeed gave good service as you suggested, he didn't offer her the 200 pesos in the 1st place. She had to ask him for the 200 pesos. That means he did not intend to give her more money.

It appears that when he gave the chica 200 pesos extra, he surmised that he was going to get better performance than what he got for the 1000 pesos. That the 200 pesos extra was money well spent. All I'm saying is, that perspective is flawed. There was no agreement from the chica for that to happen. IMO, when it comes to being in control. Control is shared, but not necessarily equal. And you are right, it is a matter of degree. The chica is in control of the quality of the performance, and her time. She also has some indirect control by her powers to manipulate a monger to meet or exceed her expectations when it comes to getting compensation. Thats done simply by adjusting her mood to the monger so he will react accordingly. The monger is mainly in control of his money. As long as a monger engages the chica, she is the one that has more control in the encounter. IMO.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1438512]I think it is a matter of personal style. I plan to have four or five encounters with this particular chica who has great erotic potential and imagination and I find that incentivization via small tips and encouraging verbal feedback works the best for me. A lot of these girls have low self esteem and so getting positive reinforcement from a high status male brings out their enthusiasm and a desire to please and excel. They may think they are getting me hooked, but the reverse may also apply. In any case, if a girl thinks that she might have potential novia status, that is the biggest incentive of all, even if they are quite mistaken.

However people do have different styles of interaction and I cannot say for sure whether what works for me will work equally for others.[/QUOTE]That 200 pesos wasnt really a tip. The encounter was 1200 pesos. She intended to get more even though you both agreed on 1000 pesos. Because if the encouraging feedback was doing it's job the 1000 pesos would have been enough to satisfy her. It wasnt Frannie. We mongers have too much ego in assuming too much in relation to these chicas actions.

My point here is. We mongers assume the combination of our personal touch with a chica and our money makes our experience much better with a chica. If we could put it to test. Try not paying her at all, but offer massive amounts of encouraging feedback only, and see if that works. Or try this, offer more money, but offer no encouraging feedback, and see which situation gets you further. I'll bet the latter will work much better. And you'll find that the personal touch doesn't really factor into the equation. It's just all an act on both parties.

Here's something to consider. Maybe the chica has her own ideas."""""I plan to have four or five encounters with this particular chico who has great verbal feedback, and I find my delightful attitude and my performance works best to get more money from him, just by asking for it""""" My point is Frannie. There are two sides thinking here. And we as mongers can only think in one head. Chicas are great actresses. They can put on an award winning performance, and at the same time despise you, or deep down think of you as just one in a million. They are expert at allowing men to believe what ever they choose to believe, as long as they get what they really came for in the end. Many marriages are established and founded on women operating with that belief. And men become so surprised that that loving creature he married turns into an incubus. Fundamentally, I don't think chicas fucking for dinero are any different. True, we as mongers are actors as well, but the bottom line is. We are the ones paying, not them paying us.

He and wrn have no clue. They are the reason some girls are sour. They think most women are bitches and treat women accordingly. They believe that if you give a girl a 200 you are being jobbed, The DR is one of the poorest nations in the west Haiti leading that pack. I naturally treat people well. The putas appreciate for the most part and respond with good service.

[QUOTE=Don Antonio; 1438526]So, you live on pineapples and eggs for breakfast and lunch. No dinner, no water.

Dude, you are spewing BS left and right. In my books you have no clue how Dominicans (or Haitians) live in general, and the costs associated with it. Your other insights are of the same quality and about as credible.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1438512]In any case, if a girl thinks that she might have potential novia status, that is the biggest incentive of all, even if they are quite mistaken.[/QUOTE]The desire for novia status is associated with the assumption they'll have a steady income, security or non monetary benefits. If they fail or are mistaken in achieving that novia status, they simply resume to being compensated on a per encounter basis. Mistaken or not, it's still a win / win for them. The money is still coming in.