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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2461845]And in the rest of the world much much higher. You are privileged enough to think only in terms of the Premier Sex Penitentiary and Correctional Facility in the world.[/QUOTE]The word you wrote: "higher" somehow reminded me of Jefferey epstein and those who are not just rich, but mega rich and monger. They seems to try to go beyond to get what others do not seek for like the case of Jefferey epstein going for under age girls and tried and managed to build his own network of young girls, but I must say, these girls were not stunners at all.

I like young girls too, but I like young girls above age of 18, and I quite do not get what is their mind set beside they think they can get away with it all mentality to seek for illegal age girls for their sexual pleasure. I guess it also got to do with fucking forbidden. , well they were ugly forbidden that costed him even his life.

Also Harvey weinstein doing all sort of sexual harassment all over the place, he could have lived amazing mongering life if he go more legit way, but again go for off piste illegal path to satisfy their sexual appetite. That also costed him his life in prison most likely for rest of his life considering his age.

I think being higher mega rich is not necessary good place to live good sex life due to their fame and others knowing they have mega amount of money and reputation they have to keep being rather public figure. To live good sex life, little rich or well off person who has freedom setup to travel when he want more or less is the best because when you are too higher up in money, they clearly tend to go nut due to their power happiness that crowd their judgement.

I gave two examples and it is funny how these guys names both end with: "stein" LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2461806]According to this older study (consistent with others I have seen), about 14% of American men owned up to seeing prostitutes. Build in a "liar factor", and the percentage is probably a little higher than this: [URL]https://www.livescience.com/28169-men-who-use-prostitutes.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]They have to know where to go because quality of prostitutes really differ depending on where you go as you know. In FKK, it cost you 50 euro, well in reality now 100 euro for 30 min with real stunner who are actually beautiful, but these girls cost much more even you manage to find them in US cities like NYC, LA, Miami etc. , so mongering really is information war and how far you as a man are willing to go to get the best. It is bit like arbitrage.

It is quite simple actually, all men who want good sex with young beautiful girls from diverse back ground, nationalities, ethnicity, religions or whatever, they just have to go to Germany, Switzerland or Austria or Brazil or Spain for best set up. If you have good contacts like good trusted friend, you can venture out to eastern European nations or south american nations and if you like asians, then go to Thailand or Philippines. So places one must go is quite set already, and by reading and listening to what some of mongers have to say USA market, good beautiful prostitutes are out there, but hard to grasp where they exactly are and even you find it comes with higher prices comparison to Germany for example.

So in the end, I conclude that we monger have to travel one of the mongering destination that fit your preference. I am glad we figured that one out and enjoying life to the fullest.

Mongering is like life really, we must know where to go and need bit of cash. Knowing where to go is equally important thing as having money for monger.

[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2461896]Some of us have tried and even bought books on how to do it![/QUOTE]This is because you are used on the easy way, to just pay and have what you want without efforts.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2461939]This is because you are used on the easy way, to just pay and have what you want without efforts.[/QUOTE]That is how I like it by the way, it is good thing to have what we want, when we want, how we want, the problem in life is that such situation is only given to selected few who choose to seek for it and we did.

For me, result is most important and I like to live the life to the fullest and sex department of my life is extremely important among other things. We have only given time that is limited, so it is wise to use it wisely.

My personal opinion that is opposite of how I got educated, but I disagree with what society norm try to enforce upon us in some area and sex area is one of the area I disagree with the most. Why stick to one aging pussies if I legally figured out how to supply plenty of different young beautiful stunners pussies? I choose to indulge myself in pool of beautiful young stunners instead of one aging woman because I can and many men can't due to their own constraint to their thought, brainwash, belief, faith, money, lack of knowledge and so on. And they don't even realize that such freedom world actually exist, but they choose to believe in what others told them or stick to their little square box called TV, PC, magazines and books. I gathered my information from travelling around world and meeting people from around world, and I realized and found out, there is better path, and decided to go off piste where the real fun in life is.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2461791]When I was a teenager I used to walk by an area where there were prostitutes, one in particular used to say in graphic and obscene terms what she wanted to do to me. I was really scared of her in particular and them in general. I used to walk a much longer route when I could just to avoid having to pass there. I never thought in my wildest dreams then that I could ever have sex with a prostitute. Then my brother started hanging out with guys some of whom banged hookers and he tried it eventually. He used to tell me of his escapades and I would think better him than me. Then one night when I was bored he was going out and invited me to go to a brothel with him and I said what the heck. We were drinking and I noticed this petite girl who was not bad looking. My brother chose a girl and off he went, when he returned he offered to pay for my session which in my semi-inebriated state I accepted, with the petite girl whose name I still remember, Sandra (this was 48 years ago). The rest is history. I always think that if I did not have a brother like that I would have been among the over 90% of men who never banged a prostitute.[/QUOTE]I like your story. Are you so sure for 90% guys who never paid for sex, sure in poor countries, but when you listen to German girls, for sure not right figure for Germany. I m happy I never paid before 40 yo and at that time, I never thought nor needed. After at Swiss Dietikon on previous Thursday being blocked for 4 hours, again for my first girl at Freubad on previous Friday when I needed 2 hours to find how to go to her, fortunately she changed her look for more elegant now and made way to start to chat and of course she smiled listening me telling about her evolution, but again on this Friday when I saw wow aura, but even after recovering from angel face, even she was rare elegance in brothels, but couldn't go to her, after about 4 hours she told me: You look at me a lot, are you so shy? When I read or hear about me, so funny, sometimes bigger effort to be able to go than climbing 22% Zoncolan, she helped me for introduction, then everything was fine and she even became a bit too wild for me in bed. And she killed a bit magic she made, yesterday, and less elegant clothes, but no regret because I prefer more sensual eroticism, but really violent effort to go to girls after 3 months, only easy was Rebeka because I knew her and was so happy to find again my last wow Globe girl, when wow is rare at Globe now.

Mongering is rental. You choose duration and cancellation fee is limited and also you can change as you wish and there is no depreciation of women because you just experience the best youthful beauty part of women of your choice. Their behavior is polite and do all you want her to do and say what you want her to say to your during the duration you choose to rent her.

Marriage is ownership for life with big cancellation fees if you cancel and you go through miserable process. And you get to experience whole package of depreciation of women and no changing policy unless you marry many times. The behavior depend on the day and cannot be controlled and in general, it is women who tell men what to do, if you tell her what to do or curse her, most likely you will be sued and can be jailed if circumstance evidences are set up by her lawyer who may marry her and move to your house while you are jailed LOL!

So do the math, pick one of the above and live the life you want to live.

Dr Ho, PHD in mongering with 23 years of practice.

Does anyone know the next date when all the local governments in Germany are due to review the current ban on the sex industry?

Dates have previously come & gone with extensions added each time.

With Austria, Switzerland, Holland & Belgium already either opened or due to open shortly the scene in Germany remains dormant without (to my knowledge) any positive news.

A simple comment / request I have in evaluating your analysis. Are you disclosing all subsidies you receive?

You act as if all criminalized / Nordic Model countries have massive Vice squads attacking all commercial sex transactions, but that is simply not true.

It is not difficult to purchase sex in the United States, or even Sweden. It is extraordinarily easy in most of Canada. And France's scene did not go away after its Nordic Model.

The USA, Sweden, and France have simply declared war on clearly visible commercial sex transactions (the USA Calls it organized crime), and on inexpensive commercial sex transactions.

It is extraordinarily easy to purchase sex in the United States if a person contacts an independent escort who has her own website and screens clients to ensure that they are not part of law enforcement. The police leave those women almost entirely alone. There are websites such as P411 that serve as a combination of screening / advertising sites that are not attacked by law enforcement, presumably because of the screening. As you can tell from the Seeking Arrangement thread, a large portion of the USA Scene has shifted in that direction. It is designed to provide an initial contact mechanism, with all further discussions of money, and discussions of sex, occurring on a one-on-one basis.

The USA Attacked Backpage, where a customer (even one under 18) could go from comparing the prices of back-to-school backpacks to the prices of women offering CBJs to those offering BBBJs. A lot of people didn't like that, especially the Attorney Generals of the various USA States.

Canada arguably doesn't belong in this analysis, but it passed its Nordic Model because a couple of outspoken ladies refused to honor the long-held truce with the government where incall was not allowed in residential, suburban areas when neighbors complained. Canada has done everything humanly possible to backtrack from its Nordic Model law with the exception of an attack directed at an agency in London Ontario and a facility in a nice suburb outside of Montreal. The message is clear. Our police departments specifically did a "harm reduction" public announcement pertaining to Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver. We don't give a shit what you do in big cities as long as it doesn't involve minors, but keep it out of the fucking suburbs and villages that don't want this.

Sweden was also upfront. It publicly said from the beginning that it didn't want immigrant women from poorer parts of Europe entering the country to sell inexpensive sex. Legislators truly said that. But a person can get an independent escort in Sweden if he goes online, so the scene does exist.

It is this same attack on relatively poor people that occurs in the USA Law enforcement in the USA Will argue the merits of that by pointing out that women selling sex at a very low price are relatively more likely to use illegal drugs, especially in parts of rural America where the drug epidemic is very real. It does not cost a tremendous amount of money for women to get a website, join a seeking Arrangement, and / or become friends with higher-level providers on Twitter who can help them wit marketing. So my patience is tested with the the never-ending pity party involving poor women. For immigration, most of the USA Guys here with enough money to purchase sex would not be appreciative of an immigrant coming to do their jobs at 25 percent of their current pay, so how the hell can we advocate for a system where the USA Allows thousands of (admittedly hot) Venezuelan women to enter the USA To sell tail? Do you think current USA Commercial sex workers want that? Do you think independent Swedish escorts really want to be flooded by Romanian immigrant competitors? The Economist Magazine did an excellent article many years ago about the frustration that United Kingdom sex workers had with immigrant sex workers. There was a caption that said "Olga, Upstairs" as part of the story.

Commercial sex is a lot more expensive in the United States and in Sweden than it is in Germany. A hell of a lot more expensive. But it is available without significant concern about law enforcement if it is done correctly.

Here is my question after my long-winded diatribe. How the hell are so many USA Guys here on ISG who diss the USA Scene getting to these low-cost countries where they love the availability of openly-available and very inexpensive commercial sex? Because it still ain't free, even in Germany. It is just less expensive. Is an employer paying for the travel costs? If so, that is a hell of a subsidy that should be factored into an analysis such as the ones you do. The USA Has an easily available "cottage industry" that is much less available in countries outside the USA Involving the collection of frequent flier miles and hotel loyalty points for transactions not involving paid flights. It is USA Folks filling up those free seats and free rooms, not Germans or Romanians. Keep that in mind when criticizing the USA, which has good and bad things. And don't forget that the same job in the USA Pays a hell of a lot more for every kind of work, not just sex work. If guys are paying their own travel costs because they enjoy foreign travel in addition to purchasing sex, I think that is great, because I also enjoy traveling, so I am not being critical of that, I am just saying that it distorts the supposed apples to apples comparison of commercial sex transactions you write about.

The horrific things you describe in your post happen in the USA, and in criminalized and in half-criminalized countries, if a person doesn't pay enough for sex and doesn't make the purchase in the manner ignored by law enforcement. You could argue that there are a few guys too poor to do so in the government-approved manner, but I am doubtful that is true for USA Guys financially able to travel internationally. Most of the problems occur because guys are unwilling to educate themselves as to how the system really works.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2461880]Philosophy abounds with people who warn against following the flock of sheep and beware of brainwashing. Our entire society is built on myths / laws / mores that enables groups beyond about 150 to function. But is still a big church of differing religions, politics, wealth and income distribution. As to the Johns classes, it is not that long ago that Alan Turing was judicially tortured for being gay, and there are many recent examples of the tools of psychiatrists to "correct" proscribed behavior. Laying down little judgments, funny looks its how it starts and progresses to prisons, used for such things as not believing in religion or the wrong religion / creed / sexuality etc etc. It's doubtful there is much "normal" in sexual behavior because the data refuses to cooperate with bell curve nonsense. It becomes even more erratic because of the liar factor and second order effects.

Mongering was extremely common in the past and normalized. It still is in many places and will be around for the foreseeable future. Anyone who has been to Gambia or South Africa know that white women pay for young men, and same in ancient Rome.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2461939]This is because you are used on the easy way, to just pay and have what you want without efforts.[/QUOTE]When I visited Thailand in 2015 I went on DIA and met Thai girls who I went out with and banged in my hotel room and the only cost was what I paid on the date with them. At the start of this covid debacle in mid March I thought to myself how nice it would be to settle with a non-pro and ride out the pandemic. I started to date this girl I knew and the amount of crap she put me through I said fuck that and ditched her and started doing escorts. Guys who bang non-pros in the US are guys who are willing to wade through buckets of bullshit and I am not one of them.

When I visited Thailand in 2015 I went on DIA and met Thai girls who I went out with and banged in my hotel room and the only cost was what I paid on the date with them. At the start of this covid debacle in mid March I thought to myself how nice it would be to settle with a non-pro and ride out the pandemic. I started to date this girl I knew and the amount of crap she put me through I said fuck that and ditched her and started doing escorts. Guys who bang non-pros in the US are guys who are willing to wade through buckets of bullshit and I am not one of them.

Reply from EL: my best sex was never with a pro, far better to date a normal girl, trying to seduce her, invest your time and energy, and taking the risk to fail, it is far more exciting for me than to put 50 or 100+ on the table in a FKK, you are already sure that the girl will not say no.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2461791]When I was a teenager I used to walk by an area where there were prostitutes, one in particular used to say in graphic and obscene terms what she wanted to do to me. I was really scared of her in particular and them in general. I used to walk a much longer route when I could just to avoid having to pass there. I never thought in my wildest dreams then that I could ever have sex with a prostitute. Then my brother started hanging out with guys some of whom banged hookers and he tried it eventually. He used to tell me of his escapades and I would think better him than me. Then one night when I was bored he was going out and invited me to go to a brothel with him and I said what the heck. We were drinking and I noticed this petite girl who was not bad looking. My brother chose a girl and off he went, when he returned he offered to pay for my session which in my semi-inebriated state I accepted, with the petite girl whose name I still remember, Sandra (this was 48 years ago). The rest is history. I always think that if I did not have a brother like that I would have been among the over 90% of men who never banged a prostitute.[/QUOTE]That was the same way I started. However, it was not my brother (Never have brother), It was my old buddy. -Long long time ago. LOL.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2462063]Reply from EL: my best sex was never with a pro, far better to date a normal girl, trying to seduce her, invest your time and energy, and taking the risk to fail, it is far more exciting for me than to put 50 or 100+ on the table in a FKK, you are already sure that the girl will not say no.[/QUOTE]Sex pleasure is not the same for everyone. FKK and pro give us the opportunity to avoid all this hassle before putting our dick in a pussy. For you it is excitement for others it is waste of time and energy.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2462018]A simple comment / request I have in evaluating your analysis. Are you disclosing all subsidies you receive?

You act as if all criminalized / Nordic Model countries have massive Vice squads attacking all commercial sex transactions, but that is simply not true.

It is not difficult to purchase sex in the United States, or even Sweden. It is extraordinarily easy in most of Canada. And France's scene did not go away after its Nordic Model.

The USA, Sweden, and France have simply declared war on clearly visible commercial sex transactions (the USA Calls it organized crime), and on inexpensive commercial sex transactions.

It is extraordinarily easy to purchase sex in the United States if a person contacts an independent escort who has her own website and screens clients to ensure that they are not part of law enforcement. The police leave those women almost entirely alone. There are websites such as P411 that serve as a combination of screening / advertising sites that are not attacked by law enforcement, presumably because of the screening. As you can tell from the Seeking Arrangement thread, a large portion of the USA Scene has shifted in that direction. It is designed to provide an initial contact mechanism, with all further discussions of money, and discussions of sex, occurring on a one-on-one basis.

The USA Attacked Backpage, where a customer (even one under 18) could go from comparing the prices of back-to-school backpacks to the prices of women offering CBJs to those offering BBBJs. A lot of people didn't like that, especially the Attorney Generals of the various USA States...[/QUOTE]+1+1.

Such a well argued and informative comment. Thank you!

I agree with Monger88 that you can find gems in the USA regarding working girls, but it's more difficult and expensive than in most developed countries like Canada, Germany, Spain, and Japan IMO. Not to mention the risk of being caught in a LE string is still there, even if almost non-existent with higher end escorts. And though I understand why they do it, I'm not a big fan of verification process of high-end escorts. I think one of problems with the US sex scene is lack of a middle range of escorts that price between $150 and $300 like in ladies. De and Kaufmich. It's either low end girls from escortbabylon that are barely above a streetwalker and the high end, luxury escorts that charge at least $400-500 or more per HR. Not much in between, at least where I live. My 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2462190]Sex pleasure is not the same for everyone. FKK and pro give us the opportunity to avoid all this hassle before putting our dick in a pussy. For you it is excitement for others it is waste of time and energy.[/QUOTE]Well said and accurately described in short sentence, also waste of money as courting cost much more.

I like arbitrage and in mongering industry, we get same quality in quantity for much less price, energy and effort etc and most importantly in mongering industry, girls do not depreciate as we change girls based on our demand and supply is plenty.

If one like companionship, go for normal girls, and as for good sex, if you are not getting same level sex or even better in FKK, then the service you are getting is not proper one because you do get outstanding I do not believe she just did that sex in FKK, it is just that for intercourse condom is required, which is only downside. In Escort, you can fuck without condom though, and I do, so there is a solution to this also.

It is about personal preference and whether if you are very rational thinking person or not.