Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229710]You can't get it if you use condoms properly.[/QUOTE]You can get hepatitus C still, even if you use condoms properly, because condoms often fail. You can and should get vaccinated for hep A and B.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229710]No, what I meant is that, if you use condoms, you don't have to worry about HIV (yes, except the 1% chance of a crack or whatever, but let's not reopen that debate please).[/QUOTE]It's about 1% for manufacturing defects leading to condom breakages. Then add to that percentage for condom slippage. Add again for other possibilities like improper storage, being left out in the snow or heat during transport, sabatoge, failure to use perfectly 100% of the time, which includes not stopping immediately when you cum, accidents, etc, etc. I suggest condoms make one about 10 times safer on average than bareback sex. But let's not reopen this debate, if there ever was one. We don't like to think about things like that, or that condom sex is far more dangerous than a BBBJ!

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229710]The other diseases such as gonorrhea (which you could get from a BBBJ) are no big deal since they are easily cured with antibiotics. Herpes isn't, once you have it, it's for life.[/QUOTE]There is a remote chance of getting HIV from a BBBJ. While herpes at worst is usually nothing more than an occasional skin condition like acne, HPV can lead to various types of cancer. Perhaps you should be more concerned about that?

[url]http://www.cdc.gov/STD/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229710]And guys, let's hear your opinions and experiences, not copy-pastes from Wikipedia and CDC.[/QUOTE]In about 7 years of active pooning, including many bbbjs, dozens of bb sex episodes, DFK, etc, I've caught one very minor std which was like having a two second itch on my ass.

If you want to play it very safe with hookers, my opinion is to wrap it up and have her tested negative for hiv etc before playing. IMO these are equally important. You can also get a vaccine for HPV.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229710]I wish I could share from my own experience, but I've only mongered for a bunch of weeks (altogether) , so I can hardly say I've really put myself in harm's way. If you've been mongering for years or decades, what's your take on this?[/QUOTE]There you have it. From what I've read some guys do it for years even decades and never get anything. Others get it their first time. But I'm sure you knew that, so what is it exactly you're looking for here?

For the sake of discussion I will tread onward.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229734]Fon Tok, love your pics, dude. No need to get angry over this.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Angry? Nope, just providing information to inform the discussion.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229734]Hmm no. But if you told me,"I've mongered for 10 years and slept with hundreds of girls and I'm still disease-free", I would believe you. I would believe other positive or negative stories from other respected old hands of this forum whose nicknames I could recognize. If we got 15 opinions on this we might get closer to see if there is a big risk, or not.[/QUOTE]Anyone who has mongered for 10+ years and never caught some type of STD, or communicable disease, is either a very lucky person, or just shy about telling the truth. Ironically, prostitutes are often much better at practicing safe sex and birth control than non-P4P sexual partners. The risk for a woman to catch herpes from a man is much higher than vice versa.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229734]No, the point is, we can all go to Google and type "herpes" and hit enter. The reason I ask here is to get feedback from experienced mongers.[/QUOTE]Anecdotal information about health conditions only gets you so far in a pursuit for knowledge. As the "official" herpes information indicates, a person may have it and never know. So, if an ISG "old hand" says he never has contracted herpes, he possibly may have been a carrier for a long time.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229734]And I stand corrected, indeed it's 1 in 6 americans; Although other sites say 1 in 4, I guess the CDC is more of an authority on this. My reasoning still stands that, if this is such a problem in the general population, the percentage must be way higher among our Soi Cowboy friends.[/QUOTE]I would consider the US CDC to be one of the better resources for objective medical information on the web. Another trusted resource is the Mayo Clinic. [url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/genital-herpes/DS00179[/url]

Do you think anyone on the forum is going to directly write they have herpes, and this (or that) is what they do about it?

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1229795]I have probably had a 1000 BBBJ's throughout the world. Never caught anything from them. I have gone BB a few times, even in SEA, never caught a thing.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Luvpuss; that's the kind of feedback I'm looking for. I imagine this also includes 1000 times intercourse, with condom?

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1229795]Also, on the Herpes, I know it is a problem all over the world. But I believe it seems to have spread more rapidly in the US.[/QUOTE]Yes. But since a lot of Americans come to BKK to monger, the problem and those percentages have consequences here. It seems likely that at least 3 out of 4 pros are infected - [url]http://ijsa.rsmjournals.com/content/17/6/395.abstract[/url]

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1229880]Anyone who has mongered for 10+ years and never caught some type of STD, or communicable disease, is either a very lucky person, or just shy about telling the truth.[/QUOTE]So you're saying anyone who has been at this for a long time is probably infected? Has that been your experience or have you seen many friends getting infected?

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1229880]Ironically, prostitutes are often much better at practicing safe sex and birth control than non-P4P sexual partners.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agreed, but they can't protect themselves against herpes.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1229880]Do you think anyone on the forum is going to directly write they have herpes, and this (or that) is what they do about it?[/QUOTE]? Why not? People here have talked about getting all sort of diseases and problems in the past. This thread is full of them.

If people are too shy to talk about themselves, they can always say "a lot of the friends who started mongering with me in 2000 are infected", or what not.

What the hell?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229939]Thanks Luvpuss; that's the kind of feedback I'm looking for. I imagine this also includes 1000 times intercourse, with condom?[/QUOTE]And, this makes you feel more informed and confident?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229939]Yes. But since a lot of Americans come to BKK to monger, the problem and those percentages have consequences here.[/QUOTE]You know for a fact a lot of Americans come to Bangkok to Hoe around? Americans overall are a small percentage of visitors to TH. There is not a lot of information about HSV incidence among other populations. The highest number of visitors to Thailand come from Asia and Europe. Logic would lead us to believe these people may have HSV, as well.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229939]So you're saying anyone who has been at this for a long time is probably infected? Has that been your experience or have you seen many friends getting infected?[/QUOTE]No. I'm saying that some people are infected that don't know it. And, we do know a lot of ISG member prefer bareback sex.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229939]Absolutely agreed, but they can't protect themselves against herpes.[/QUOTE]Yes, they can. Why do you think MP ladies wash a customer's dick before a session? To admire its size? Condoms do help prevent HSV, but it can be contracted by contact other than sex. Just rubbing against a sore can transmit it.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229939]? Why not? People here have talked about getting all sort of diseases and problems in the past. This thread is full of them.[/QUOTE]Let's see who jumps up on here for this one.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229939]If people are too shy to talk about themselves, they can always say "a lot of the friends who started mongering with me in 2000 are infected", or what not.[/QUOTE]
You're funny... ;) Merry Christmas from Bangkok!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1229940]And, this makes you feel more informed and confident?[/QUOTE]It's a data point and hopefully we'll got more from other members.

I'm not sure why you are being antagonistic. Merry Christmas.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1229946]I'm not sure why you are being antagonistic. Merry Christmas.[/QUOTE]Relaxxxxx, just having some fun! :)

You like to fuck Thai girls in the rear end?

The following claims Greek (anal sex) WITH a condom is as risky as vaginal intercourse without a rubber (BBFS).

[QUOTE=]Well. Yes. Statically speaking of course. Anal sex with condom is MORE risky for transmitting Hiv over BBFS.

This is using statistics. With condom manufactures claimed effectiveness ratings. Most I believe say 97% per use, or sometimes 85% effective over a year. Its easiest to use the 97% as who knows how often they think people have sex in a year. Combined with current medical estimates for Hiv transmission for receiving anal sex, compared to vaginal sex. Which is 10-50 times more likely. If we use these numbers, the two sex acts risks are very close. If we use the figure of 10 times higher transmission anal over vaginal. Then anal sex with condom is roughly a third the chance of contracting hiv over vaginal. If we use the 50 times figure. Then anal sex with a condom, is about a 50% greater chance to contract hiv over BBFS.

This is just me using figures provided by the condom manufactures, along with figures from current medical estimates. With some basic second year stats.

But regardless, both acts are very similar in risk, within a magnitude for sure. No matter what methodology or ranges you use.

Currently one is a common offering, the other is considered a deathwish.[/QUOTE][url]Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV[/url]

#Transmission

Professor Hahm states that "Condom use is hard in a culture where women are raised to be accomodating and polite".

[url]http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/news-cms/news/?dept=692&id=52827[/url]

With Thailand having such a high rate of HIV among its general population and especially its sex workers,"partying without a hat" is especially dangerous relative to a Western nation like, say, Canada or Germany. But there is still much those who partake can do to make themselves safer:

1. Both parties recently STD tested, negative on all tests, sharing the results with each other.

2. The guy does not finish inside the prostitute.

3. One or both are fixed as far as making babies is concerned, or at least she's on the pill.

4. Seeing a low mileage prostitute, one with few (or no other) customers.

5. Seeing a hooker / client who shows evidence that he / she does BBFS with few (if any others) besides you.

6. Being circumcised, which may reduce risk for HIV by up to 70, compared to condoms at about 85%

7. Don't partake with the drug addicted such IDU

I must post this somewhere but I recently went to Pattaya and in a completely idiotic move I nailed my regular TGF and a completely random bar girl from windmill club without a condom. I still don't know why I did that but the last few weeks have been hell. My TGF is not in the industry but does turn a few tricks to make ends meet.

So I just got my negative results back for HIV and some other stds. For me its a lesson in forward thinking. I feel like the dumbest mother funker in the world.

My post its neither condoning nor anti BBFS. I just had to get this out.

Hatguy,

Both your TGF and the BG are risky partners. Instead of feeling like the dumbest MF in the world maybe you should feel like the luckiest.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1257172]1. Both parties recently STD tested, negative on all tests, sharing the results with each other.

2. The guy does not finish inside the prostitute.

3. One or both are fixed as far as making babies is concerned, or at least she's on the pill.

4. Seeing a low mileage prostitute, one with few (or no other) customers.

5. Seeing a hooker / client who shows evidence that he / she does BBFS with few (if any others) besides you.

6. Being circumcised, which may reduce risk for HIV by up to 70, compared to condoms at about 85%

7. Don't partake with the drug addicted such IDU[/QUOTE]Number one should be: use your head, and some fucking condoms.

[QUOTE=Hatguy; 1257310]My TGF is not in the industry but does turn a few tricks to make ends meet.[/QUOTE]Either your TGF is a prostitute or she is not. Can't have it both ways!

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1257332]Number one should be: use your head, and some fucking condoms.[/QUOTE]Except the topic was BBFS, or rather how to have a safe or safer bareback sex {SBBFS) experience, so condom use for FS is necessarily excluded.

But if you like using condoms, they provide limited protection against STDs, including reducing the risk for HIV by about 85, which is nowhere near 100% protection.

Furthermore, with the 7 safety measures I mentioned, one engaging in BBFS is easily safer than a guy who uses condoms while lacking those 7 items.

So it is possible to be safer having BBFS than others using a condom. IOW you can have your cake & eat it too.

[QUOTE=Bumholes1;1257335]Either your TGF is a prostitute or she is not. Can't have it both ways![/QUOTE]I totally agree with your assessments. Of course I feel like I am incredibly lucky. Thanks for the input.