Havana

Water Boy,

Thanks for the current repport. It sounds exactly like my experiences.

You have to have Cuba in your heart. Anybody flying to Cuba with no feelings for the country and only for mongering is a sucker. People will be surprised as to how difficult it is for a Cuba-novice to get anything out of it.

Allthough Cubanas are beautiful, there are many better sex-destinations in the Carib and South America.

Will be heading over for about a month next month. Keeping my expectations down as it sounds even worse than my last visit about a good year ago. But I would stay in Cuba for a month with no pussy anytime, so I'll be fine.

Thanks again.

TravellinGring - There is P4P in Havana - and there is no reason for you to go without sex.

The police are more vigilant in the touristy towns such as Havana, Cienfuegos and Veradero. I have heard but not witnessed first-hand that there is much police presence in the other major tourist cities as well. Where there are tourists there is police scrutiny.

As Cubanito said their is less police scrutiny in the countryside. I did better in the countryside. For this you need a car (cheapest is $70CUC/day = $84 USD) as well as fairly good spanish and good connections with the locals. Plus you need to spend a couple of weeks there or live there long time.

However for me, I quickly became tired of the P4P scene in Cuba. I much prefer a girlfriend.

Still, even in the countryside your girlfriend is required to register her ID# whenever she sleeps with you and that data is collected by the police. My girlfriend was reluctant to register. This is where the car came in handy a place for sex. Car sex, is a novelty but I prefer to linger with my girlfriend in a bed.

Dinner and soap would have worked about 12 years ago. These days, the realistic minimal going price is 40 CUC; and that's for girls that are reasonably good looking, and will stay with you for an hour or so. If you want to pay less, then the quality of the girl is going to drop substantially as well. I've met plenty that will stay with you all the time for a price of around 70 CUC. It all depends on the girl. Watch out, more and more girls seem to be hooked up with a pimp these days. If you want a girl that's a 9-10, then go to any of the discos; but be prepared to pay a minimul of 80 CUC for an hour of her time, which is really not a GFE experience.

[QUOTE=Member #3060]Howdy gents,

Just got back from a short stay in Cuba. Was with a non-mongering buddy so I didn't get a chance to sample any of the locals. We did stay in a Casa Particular that was girl friendly in old Habana. The owner was extremely friendly and helpful. In fact within 10 minutes of our arrival she made a point to mention that it was OK for us to bring a girl into our room. I boned up immediately when she said this but my buddy just shook his head, smiled and said, "no that's ok".

I'm not sure if I should post the name of the casa here as I don't want to bring the Polícia down on them but you can contact me for their information.

What is the going rate for girls in Habana? I read back 3 months in the blog and have found very few prices. Sounds like if you spend some time with them, buy them some dinner and or some soap you can get them for almost free.[/QUOTE]

Water Boy,

Thanks for your report and for totally validating my experience in Cuba recently. In the early 2000's it was a lot different, but now it is definitely NOT a place to go for mongering. Having said that, I've said before and I'll say it again - Cuba gets under the skin and pulls you back, time and time again. One can always find sex, and that's not my reason for going anyway. I'll be back soon.

[QUOTE=Trafalgar2]Or maybe it was just another scam, so we would have one more drink (the waitress had told my girl, if she made me order Cuba Libre she would get 1 CUC for every drink). [/QUOTE]Trafalgar,

My Jintera pulled this same scam. She wasted $4 of my dollars so she could get $1. Coulndt she just ask me for $1? I would gladly give it to her.

[QUOTE=Trafalgar2]In Pinar del Rio or Matanzas ... there we hit the clubs more often than in Havana.[/QUOTE]Trafalgar - How is Matanzas vs. Habana with regards to:

1.) Prices for P4P ?
2.) Police hassling cubanas who are in the street with extranjeros (you) ?

Inquiring minds want to know

[QUOTE=El Cubanito]Hi Guys,

Being a Cuban-American who parents came to the United States in the early 60's, I have a some sight on board "side" of the ocean. I have been going to Cuba now for 10 years. The first time I went to Cuba was in 1998. It was an eye opener. I did not go because of the girls. I went because there was family that I did not know personally. I just knew of them by name. When I arrive everybody would say the same rhetoric, Fidel has us living in these conditions. Fidel does not give us this and that. It was about in my 3rd trip when I finally heard the truth from even my own family as to how they felt about Fidel. They love him. They also hate him. It a love hate relationship, that unless you spent time in Cuba you do not understand. On previous trip I have spent 2 to 3 months at a tme in Cuba so I could understand my own people. In one of my trips I met a man, who really explain everything about Cuba. He was a high ranking official in Cuba, he is now retire and lives very, very well. But he did put everything in perpestice for me and now I understand the system. I am not going to write about he said to me. What I write about is that yes, the Cuban people do love Fidel for what he did in the 50's and 60's. But now what they really want is somebody else to drive the ship (Cuba) to see if economically they can fix the system in Cuba. If any Cuban comes with the rhetoric that I hate Fidel. Ask him these questions:

1. Were you born here? If the answer is yes, then he is giving you bs.
2. If you live outside of Cuba what year did you leave? If he say pre 1980's then he is loaded with bs.

My cousin introduce me to this Jinetero in Havana called Miguel (Yes, I have change the name to proctet the inocent). This guy went to jail for 8 years because he refused to go into the military. In Cuba if you serve time in Jail you are done. Yo do not have a blue ID card (Carne). Instead they give you a white ID card. This will tell any potential employee in Cuba that this guy has serve time in jail and he/she should not be hire. I know, I know what they pay in Cuba is nothing (But at least 10 -20 CUC a month is better than nothing). Well even this guy as pissed off that he is at the system in Cuba. HE would be the first one to take a gun and defend Cuba if he had to and he loves Fidel for what he did in 50's and 60's. This is a guy who hates the system because the only way he make money is from tourism. Or to be more exact from getting things to the tourist that they would need. I mean anything (Girls, Booze, Cigars, sightseeing, anything).

So what does this mean in the gran scheme of thing for our pussy action in Cuba. Just wanted to let you know from what angle is a girl is coming from whn she say she want a Red Puma sneaker and she hate Fidel. She hates Fidel that she has to give up her Pussy to get a Red Puma sneakers, but I bet you she loves Fidel for what he did in the 50's and 60's

Jackson, I know that I took some liberties here, but I just want the guys in this board to know or understand where some of these girls are coming from.

THank you in advance Jackson for not deleting my message.

El Cubanito[/QUOTE]
Actually, I dislike (hate is bad for yourself) fidel for what he did in the 50's & 60's. I don't recall a thing about the 50's but the 60's were very, very bad, as a matter of fact, the best time Cuba ever had under fidel, was when I left Cuba in 1980, and we thought it was bad then.
Cubanito, with Cubans in the island, you never know when they're telling the truth. I knew plenty of people who despised fidel, but the hate/love relationship is right. It's like the relationship between slaves and the owners, what would the slave do if the owner let him free? 50 years of BS is hard to get rid of, fortunately for me, I was born a "gusano", so in my mind, I was always free.

I am seeking help from the Cuba Experts on this forum. I have just completed my nth trip to Cuba and I love it there. I am retired and would like to live in Cuba for an extended period of time. My concerns are in obtaining the proper Cuban Visas to enable me greater freedoms in Cuba.

Of course the easiest thing to get is a tourist visa.

I have heard that there is also cuban temporary residency. I have not been able to reach the cuban embassy and they do not respond to emails.

Here is what I know

a) An A2 Visa allows you to stay in your wife's home. This is not a good visa for me as I am not married and not planning on it.

b) A student Visa allows you to purchase transport and other services at cuban peso prices. The only drawback is: you have to be in school 4-6 hours a day and they monitor you.

c) Temporary Residency may offer you greater rights/freedoms

Does any of the cubaexerts on this forum know of a residency/visa status that offers you any or most of the following:

1. Be able to purchase a car in Cuba

2. Be able to purchase a house in Cuba in MY NAME (not my non-exsisting wife's name)

3. Be able to stay in the houses of my cuban friends without obtaining special permission.

4. Have a carnet de identidad

5. Pay Cuban prices for goods and services (as opposed to paying tourist prices)

6. I do not want to place my cuban amigas in jeopardy because they are walking with an extranjero. does temporary residency accomplish this ?

Does any of the cubaexerts on this forum know how I can obtain the proper immigration status (other than PERMANENT residency) to accomplish any of the above ?

I woiuld be most appreciative

Thank you

Water boy

Sorry guys, I was't around for a few days, so I only read your posts today.

First of all I would like to thank Doc Bill for accepting my report as just MY personal point of view (and for YOUR very interesting reports from Colombia). As you say we all have different experiences and that's what makes a forum like this one worth reading as long as we share. Of course: my analogy was poor, but I just wanted to point out that we all have needs and wishes that cannot be fulfilled. You are absolutely right that there is a big difference between "luxury goods" and daily needs; for example, for some days in december there was no milk available in many parts of Havana, not even "leche en polvo" which a friend of mine suggested I should use instead of fresh milk (he had to explain it to me). While in the big shopping centers you could buy foreign yogurt for 80 cents a small can, they did NOT have ANY milk, not even around 5ta avenida close to the embassies or in the bodega. As a fact, Cubans ARE a lot worse off than most Europeans or Americans. So, Doc Bill, maybe our points of view are not as far apart as it might seem, and I definitely agree on what you said about countries and their governments.

Water Boy, thanks for your Habana Trip Report, which for sure was much more on topic than mine. But I have to confess, I can contribute very little concerning the prices. As I mentioned in my report, as I just like GFE, I was with my "novia" and this girl can be very possessive / celosa. As far as I noticed in Matanzas, there were very few "professionals" in the discotheque, but I got a lot of nice smiles from what I would call "semi-pros" or even regular girls seeming to be willing / available. And I did not notice the typical chulo/jinetera combination like you would find it most of the time in Havana, but maybe this was because there were just a few tourists around (but this should lower the prices as well, compared to Havana). In general there was much less police action than in Havana, just one evening they were standing in the parking lot of the disco, but no hassle at all. And I would like to mention, that for sure nobody would think we are a cuban couple (colour- and age-difference-wise).

Again: My girl didn't have any problem being registered with me, so in case a police officer would have asked stupid questions, we would have given him address and phone number of our legal casa particular, where we both signed the well known "book", which anyway is given to migration. So obviously this kind of behaviour just is suitable if the lady has not had cartas de advertencia (and if she is sure you will defend her if she gets problems - and if you really WILL do so, just in case). BTW, thanks for the hint, Water Boy, apart from a nice BBBJ/CIM on the highway between Santa Clara and Havana, I never tried car sex because THIS seemed a little bit risky to me, so I would definitely love to hear more about that.

Ah, and if I formulated poorly in my other post, my "novia" did NOT try the Cuba Libre scam on me, she just reported to me what the waitress had offered her. So we both had a good laugh, how the waitress could be so stupid to think my girl would make me spend 5 CUC just to get 1, if she just would have to ask me for the 5 if she needed them. But seems like the scam works more often than I imagined. I prefer to give my girl some money every few days (10 - 20 CUC) and she can save it, spend it or waste it on whatever she has in mind. So she doesn't have to ask me for money for her mother or for icecream and so on, which would be really humiliating for a proud woman like her and boring for me while I'm trying to have a nice holiday.

Regarding your questions about residency in Cuba, Water Boy, I don't know personally, so don't blame me, I just can repeat what a guy who tried it, wrote in a german forum: It's not worth the hassle just in order to pay with MN (which is possible without residency anyway), or for transportation reasons, because then - just like a Cuban - you will be on a waiting list if you want to go to Santiago for example. You would save money but waste a lot of time. The better way would be to have a working contract with one of the international companies there, which would give you most of the benefit you are asking for. And as for rights/freedoms, if in Cuba you want more than a tourist, you have to be part of the corps diplomatique, I guess. Real experts answers might differ, anyway.

Trafalgar2 out.

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[QUOTE=Trafalgar2] As far as I noticed in Matanzas, there were very few "professionals" in the discotheque, but I got a lot of nice smiles from what I would call "semi-pros" or even regular girls seeming to be willing / available. And I did not notice the typical chulo/jinetera combination like you would find it most of the time in Havana, but maybe this was because there were just a few tourists around (but this should lower the prices as well, compared to Havana). In general there was much less police action than in Havana, just one evening they were standing in the parking lot of the disco, but no hassle at all. And I would like to mention, that for sure nobody would think we are a cuban couple (colour- and age-difference-wise).[/QUOTE]Thanks Trafalgar for your report. Actually, it was very informative.

Is there anything touristy/fun to do in Matanzas besides drink and have sex?

I'm traveling solo to Cuba for the first time next month (from the US, through a gateway). I am wondering if anybody has contracted with a local guide that understands what we're looking for. It seems like someone would do well leading us to the water. I'd appreciate any suggestions or rec's.

i don't mean to be a party-pooper and i appologize for not replying with an answer (since i don't use guides in cuba), but here is what i'm thinking:

why do you want to go through the hazzle of travelling from the u.s (including potential hazzle and huge fines on return from u.s customs) to go to a country that is a shitty place for mongering compared to most of its neighbouring countries where us zitizens can travel to quickly, directly and without hazzle? and where you can walk down the street and grab any chica you want without needing a guide to help you get laid in a place where prostitution is illegal?

i am just wondering... i love cuba myself, but would never go there only for mongering.

tg

[quote=smokers rule]i'm traveling solo to cuba for the first time next month (from the us, through a gateway). i am wondering if anybody has contracted with a local guide that understands what we're looking for. it seems like someone would do well leading us to the water. i'd appreciate any suggestions or rec's.[/quote]

(1) it's an adventure. i like the fact that i'm not supposed to do it.
(2) it's different. i have made 8 trips in the last year to the places you're talking about, and quite honestly that is getting boring. :)

no worries, there is no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url] on my party =)

fair enough :-)

hope you will enjoy it, despite the obvious obstacles.

[quote=smokers rule](1) it's an adventure. i like the fact that i'm not supposed to do it.
(2) it's different. i have made 8 trips in the last year to the places you're talking about, and quite honestly that is getting boring. :)

no worries, there is no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url] on my party =)[/quote]

[QUOTE=Travelling Gring]And where you can walk down the street and grab any chica you want without needing a guide to help you get laid in a place where prostitution is illegal?
TG[/QUOTE]

Where are such places if you don't mind me asking? Please don't mention DR - I prefer light skinned women. Thank you.