Quito

[QUOTE=Davidb3069]Try nightkats :)[/QUOTE]Thanks ill try that out, as long as theyre not TOO big.

Also, are there such things as regular US type strip clubs where they just dance? Cause I'm going with a few friends and some of them might not be into the whole chongo thing.

[QUOTE=Joe Shmoe]Thanks ill try that out, as long as theyre not TOO big.

Also, are there such things as regular US type strip clubs where they just dance? Cause I'm going with a few friends and some of them might not be into the whole chongo thing.[/QUOTE]

At nightkats, extasis, doll-house (and probably 515 although I haven't made it inside there yet), it's much more low-key and much more like a us strip club. The chongo part is upstairs and not real obvious.

David

I got money out of a BANCOPACIFICO ATM yesterday and they charged more than 1.6% on the transaction. $5 for $300. Ouch.

[QUOTE=Davidb3069]I got money out of a BANCOPACIFICO ATM yesterday and they charged more than 1.6% on the transaction. $5 for $300. Ouch.[/QUOTE]It's almost the price of a fuck. lol.

I found this paper while typing various Google searches. Not only is it a huge report but its range of data is amazing. Other than some western countries I have never seen anything like it for a developing country, particularly one specializing in Ecuador and dated August 2007. Below I cut and paste certain elements that interested me. Attached is the link for a full read (for members who love mathematics you will love page 15 on).

Its title is "Sex Work and Infection: What’s Law Enforcement Got to Do with it?" by by Paul Gertler and Manisha Shah, dated 15 August 2007 (draft).

[url]http://imio.haas.berkeley.edu/WilliamsonSeminar/gertler101107.pdf[/url]

Specifically, we use nationally representative data from Ecuador …

In fact, the national Ecuadorian adult HIV/AIDS prevalence is low. In 2003 it was 0.3 percent (UNAIDS 2004). In 2000, the HIV/AIDS prevalence of sex workers in Guayaquil was 1.7 percent, 0.5 percent in Quito, and 1.1 percent in Esmeraldas (Chiribofa et al. 2001). However, while the risk of HIV infection is low, the risk of being infected with another STI is much higher. Twenty-three percent of sex workers in our sample had some STI in the last year, and this rate is much higher than the general adult population.

In Ecuador and much of Latin America, regulating the sex market has been a key policy response to decrease the spread of STIs.

We wanted to investigate why we observe so much variation in enforcement levels across cities. … In one interview, a doctor at the Ministry of Health in Quito says “The Ministry of Health does not have the capacity or funding to go out and enforce licensing requirements. That is up to the local police. However, the police are not terribly motivated by health concerns and enforce whenever they feel like it, depending on who the current police director is” (Tamayo 2004).

In Ecuador, there are approximately 30,000 female sex workers (IJCG/INSP 2003). This number is obviously an underestimate as sex workers are a hard-to-reach population due to the clandestine nature of their work.

Information was collected from approximately 3000 female sex workers. This is the largest survey of sex workers ever conducted in Ecuador, and is quite large in general. Very few, if any countries have conducted a national survey of their sex worker population.

Table 1 provides a description of sex workers from the street and brothel sectors in Ecuador. The sample sizes are 1633 licensed brothel workers, 667 unlicensed brothel workers, and 640 street sex workers. Licensed brothel sex workers earn slightly more per hour than unlicensed brothel sex workers (5.51 dollars vs. 5.19 dollars) and significantly more than street sex workers who earn 4.13 dollars per hour. In terms of client numbers, licensed brothel sex workers have more clients per week. They have 26 clients per week compared to 19 for unlicensed brothel and 13 for street sex workers. This implies that licensed sex workers perform significantly more sex acts per week. However on average, street sex workers do receive higher prices per transaction.

Condom use among sex workers is relatively high. Eighty-eight percent of licensed sex workers used condoms in all of their last three transactions compared to 77 percent of unlicensed brothel sex workers and 61 percent in the street sector. In terms of STI prevalence, 7.4 percent of sex workers with a license tested positive for syphilis, chlamydia, and/or gonorrhea compared to 8.3 percent on the street. Street sex workers seem to engage in riskier behavior as they use condoms less often and have higher STI rates.

Sex workers in the brothel sector have an average of one more year of education and tend to be younger. In terms of demographics such as children and marital status, women in the street and brothel sectors appear to be fairly similar. At the end of each interview, sex workers were rated by their interviewer on personal characteristics such as their beauty and communication abilities. The scores indicate that brothel sex workers are more attractive and have better communication skills than street sex workers.

Clients who frequent the brothel sector tend to be slightly richer and more handsome than street clients.

Attractive sex workers are significantly less likely to have an STI. This result may be due to bargaining power as attractive sex workers are more likely to be able to negotiate condom use and/or better work conditions for themselves.

Responses from surveys suggest that while sex workers may be eager to leave the sex market, they are unwilling to do so unless earnings in their new job are equivalent (Lim1998). This is usually unlikely as sex work is very well paid relative to other ”unskilled” female jobs in developing countries (Edlund and Korn 2002). Suggestive evidence supports the claim that full time sex workers rarely exit the sex market.

In terms of client characteristics, regular, rich, and foreign clients pay more per transaction. Anal and oral sex also pay a premium relative to vaginal sex.

The more risk knowledge a sex worker has, the less likely she is to engage in non-condom use. In addition, regular clients are more likely to engage in non-condom use with sex workers, again in both sectors. This implies that sex workers probably trust regular clients more as they are more likely to engage in non-condom use with them.

The results on the individual level characteristics indicate that the more risk knowledge a sex worker has, the more likely she will join the licensed brothel sector. … In addition, the more educated and younger sex workers are also least likely to choose the street sector. These results allude to the fact that the more “ideal” sex workers, in terms of observable characteristics will choose the licensed brothel sector.

[b]Table 1: Sex Worker Summary Statistics[/b]
(all numbers are mean, in brackets std dev)

Hourly earnings ($): brothel 5.51 (9.16), brothel unlicensed 5.19 (9.35), street 4.13 (7.88)
Clients per week: brothel 26.27 (30.58), brothel unlicensed 18.70 (28.56), street 13.01 (19.62)
STI (=1): brothel 0.074 (0.262), brothel unlic 0.081 (0.273), street 0.083 (0.276)
Condom always used (=1): brothel .881 (.324), brothel unlic .774 (.419), street .606 (.489)
Client suggested non-condom use (=1): brothel .029 (.168), brothel unlic .038 (.191), street .064 (.244)
Experience (years): brothel 3.92 (4.17), brothel unlic 3.02 (4.20), street 6.47 (6.84)
Age (years): brothel 27.37 (7.03), brothel unlic 25.92 (7.14), street 31.59 (9.94)
Education (years): brothel 7.8 (3.27), brothel unlic 7.49 (3.34), street 6.48 (3.64)

[b]Table 2: Enforcement: Police Visits (per month)[/b]
(mean)

Quito’s brothels ranked second, only behind Machala (4.0), at 3.68 visits per month. Guayaquil at 0.088.

Other bits:

... the paid-sex market in Ecuador is tiered, with licensed brothel workers earning more per hour than unlicensed street prostitutes. These gradations might reflect different tastes: brothel workers tend to be younger, more attractive and better educated. They are also slightly less likely to have an STI. Condom use is the norm.
[url]http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10533877#footnote1[/url]

US Banks are now charging a 3% foreign currency exchange fee on all debit card purchases and ATM withdrawls. Not sure if it applies to credit cards as well. I have accounts with Bank of America and Washington Mutual and they both started doing it at the same time as of June 1 so I can only assume it's a visa/mastercard network thing. I've pulled $100-300 out of ATMS and I'm getting hit with $5 in fees. The stupid part is that here in Ecuador since we use the US dollar, it's not a currency exchange. I've gotten my bank (so far) to reverse all the fees. I don't have time to call every day so I just lump them together at some point.

As I previously assumed it was related to one specific bank ATM here, it's not. It's all of them.

If you travel to Ecuador and use your cards, make sure you check your statements when you get home.

David

I wouldn't really say that it's an issue with all banks.

For example, my bank is PNC bank and I just get charged a straight 3. 50 on all transactions.

Got a chase CC and I don't get charged anything for using it, I haven't tried withdrawing money from it, so I don't know.

Now my girl has a national city bank card and she gets charged 15 for withdrawing money! That's nuts!

[QUOTE=Saeta119]I wouldn't really say that it's an issue with all banks.

For example, my bank is PNC bank and I just get charged a straight 3. 50 on all transactions.

Got a chase CC and I don't get charged anything for using it, I haven't tried withdrawing money from it, so I don't know.

Now my girl has a national city bank card and she gets charged 15 for withdrawing money! That's nuts![/QUOTE]

You've tried your PNC here in Ecuador since June 1?

I said I don't know about CC's as I don't use them.

You may be on a different visa/mc network than my banks. Bank of America and Washington Mutual are some of the biggest chains in the US. I'm sure there are always exceptions. They aren't supposed to be charging the fees here at all so your bank may be smarter than mine and may not be charging the foreign currency fees for US dollars.

David

I do know that Bank of America charges the highest fees of any CC. they have a fee for everything. No lie, this was actually in the Wall Street Journal about their business model. I switched to a Chase card while the last time I was in Mexico and noticed a difference in fees as compared to Bank of America.

Tungurahua, nice post! If it's OK with you I'd like to cut and paste some of that posting to the Tijuana Mexica section, these guys are getting hung up on BBBJ and CIM, when the really important aspects of mongering are to be found at the bottom of page 16, "Equilibrium condom use" (this conjures up swinging dicks in my mind).
In any event, the shocking contrast between sex workers in a developing country like Ecuador (SW using condoms 61% of the time) vs "developed" Chicago (only 25% of the time) makes one consider how much safer P4P is in 3rd world nations.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Davidb3069]You've tried your PNC here in Ecuador since June 1?

I said I don't know about CC's as I don't use them.

You may be on a different visa/mc network than my banks. Bank of America and Washington Mutual are some of the biggest chains in the US. I'm sure there are always exceptions. They aren't supposed to be charging the fees here at all so your bank may be smarter than mine and may not be charging the foreign currency fees for US dollars.

David[/QUOTE]Yeah, I just took out 1k yesterday and was still charged 3. 50

Here's the kicker, they even have another type of checking account where if you maintain a 2k balance every month, they won't even charge you the 3. 50, I need to switch to said account but I've been just too lazy.

From the report on Ecuador's Sex Market that Tung posted:

"In Ecuador, there are approximately 30,000 female sex workers (IJCG/INSP 2003)."

My questions is, how many does Tung have left to fuck?

Sorry Tung, I couldn't resist making the joke.

[QUOTE=Civid]From the report on Ecuador's Sex Market that Tung posted:

"In Ecuador, there are approximately 30,000 female sex workers (IJCG/INSP 2003)."

My questions is, how many does Tung have left to fuck?

Sorry Tung, I couldn't resist making the joke.[/QUOTE]I just saw this post and also cannot resist. I have never been to ecuador but you guys needs to come over to China where there are probably mucho more of these workers over there. Cost maybe a few dinero more and you may acquire an asian taste for your hobby.

If Tung does six per day, I know it is a small number, and keeps on doing atleast six a day, and giving him credit for past accomplishments he should be done in eleven years give or take a month or two.

Tung, just to make sure there is proof, the boys on isg would require atleast one pic per girl. Go for it.

Good value

"Hourly earnings ($): brothel 5.51 (9.16), brothel unlicensed 5.19 (9.35), street 4.13 (7.88)"

That equates to around 200$ a week. It is worth have a full time employee, alway on tap.

Lots of sex and no wifely bullshit!

2 weeks altogether, 4 days Quito, 4 Cuenca and 4 in Vilcabamba. Looks like I'll have one Friday afternoon in Quito to myself. Based on the excellent reports but most notably the Great Tungurahua's Quito Fuckclub update, the Cafe Rojo seems like the best place to begin my quest followed by the Guajira. I'll start around noon and finish around 3 or 4 before the locals appear. Being that I'm a greedy pig I will attempt to sample as many as my little friend and my little blue pill will allow in my short time frame. These two clubs good for my situation? Also, can someone give a quick rundown on the setup so I don't appear as green as I am and run the risk of overpaying. For example, doorman asks me for the cover charge, I pay, walk in, sit down and order a beer, right? Girls are dressed like dancers here in the States and they approach you wanting a drink and or a fuck? Who do I buy the fichas from, the girl, bartender, and when, immediately or only when I see a girl I want?

Any help is appreciated.