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[QUOTE=MagicSheep74;2015910]My advice. Use your backup plan and go to Switzerland. Don't waste you money on a disappointing experience in Kiev. Switzerland is far superior in every aspect for our hobby, along with other countries you have probably already been.
Magic Sheep.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Go to Kiev to explore the city and enjoy the night life, but not for just mongering.
But do not forget that Kiev is not exactly Ukraine.
Kiev is very expensive for Ukrainians. And many girls are not indigenous Kyivans.
These girls live often three girls in one apartment.
But it's hard to live in the same apartment. So we must understand that the girl lays the rent of housing and food and cosmetics at the cost of sex. It's not Brazil, where thousands of poor favela girls can go on prostitution all year round. This Brazilian girl should just buy a short skirt or shorts and makeup. She lives in the favela on the outskirts of Rio. In ukraine you have to pay for heating. You can not live in a house made of thin boards or raw brick. So the owner of the apartment or requires a lot of money from the girl or fucks her and her girlfriend twice a week. Free. On the other hand, a lot of foreigners in Kiev. I talked with one girl from Mamba. She gave me such data-25-30% of all the men who offer sex to her are the Turks. And about 30-40% are Europeans and other Westerners. That is, about 50% of all the guys who write to her and offer sex are non-Ukrainians. Foreigners. She is small, blonde with a childish face but very beautiful. I asked her what money she was offered. She answered that one guy offered her 400 USD for few hours! Another 4 000 Griwnas, another 100 USD meet.
Many guys came for 2-3 days and do not have much time to search. And somehow a beautiful 18 year old girl in Western Europe will cost more than 150 dollars.
If this is a Romanian prostitute, then it can cost in Germany even 50 euros. But a beautiful 18 years old student you can not fuck in Germany for $ 50. High and beautiful. I do not believe in all these stories about how some guy fucked in Spain or Germany, beautiful women for 30-40 euros.
And these girls were beautiful and irresistible and look like a model. I do not believe in that.
Sometimes I find such girls in ukraine and fuck them. Often these are ordinary girls. Not professionals.
I learned to offer money. That the girl did not take offense and did not feel like a prostitute)).
But I do not believe that in Denmark I will be able to just as easily fuck a beautiful 18 year old Danish white student. And I even would probably not go to her in a cafe or on the beach.
These chicks in the photo were fucked in the beginning for free. This is the north of Ukraine 400 km near Kiev. Then the guys began to invite them to parties and pay them 300-400 hryvnia for sex. These girls a few. They are friends. My ukrainian old friend Wlad fucked them all. They are not PRO. They are the most ordinary girls from poor families. But then the guys began to give each other their contacts. And they often called. Now they already take no less than 800 hryvnia for 3 hours meet. (For this city is a good money) They realized that they can have not 350 and 800 hryvnia. !I fucked them a week ago for both 2300 hryvnia for 4-5 hours. These are two sisters. Without anal but oral sex without condom,. They worked well with their tongues and mouths over my penis and testicles (I finished and my sperm hit like a bullet in her (Marina) eye-They said that I am a great sniper. They told me that they would call me the Shooter. They really deserved their money. Also I fucked after that another girl from this company. And then another. They all told me that they dream to go to Kiev and there to find themselves wealthy husbands and then never work. And live off their husbands. These women's ukrainians dreams haha. I paid a bit more expensive than the local guys. But I'm sure that in Kiev they will not suck cock and suck and lick the male balls for 800 hryvnia. They will want more. Prices are rising. It just market and only market my friends.
P.S. Very nice video. Ukrainian girls.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxYbgcce7Rs[/URL]
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2016149]I agree the city is cool, but the nightlife is just not very good now. Friday is decent, but it goes downhill quickly.[/QUOTE]No matter where you go or what you do, it's possible to make a connection in Kiev. Unlike most Western cities where it can seem almost hopeless for a grown up guy.
[QUOTE=Riina;2016333]No matter where you go or what you do, it's possible to make a connection in Kiev. Unlike most Western cities where it can seem almost hopeless for a grown up guy.[/QUOTE]If you speak Russian maybe. When I was in Kiev (see post some time ago in 2015) it was not possible unfortunately, since I did not speak Russian. Buddha Bar and Shooters were quite empty on weekend. I remember sorry babushka was ok, but girls were just average and as I said without language no chance.
[QUOTE=Russel4339;2013135]I have met many nice women on UkraineDate. Lastly. None of the women I have met there are pros or even part timers. Don't expect to meet women there and drop them a line about sex for money. I live in the Ukraine, so I have time to wine and dine these women. It takes several dates, but you have a pseudo girlfriend and great sex. The pros and semi pros are much easier to find on Mamba.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for your useful information. The problem with me and most of the guys here is that I can stay in Ukraine only for a week or so. The problem with mamba is that there are so many fake photos and so many old photos taken many years (if not decades) ago. On the other hand, really beautiful pro girls on mamba receive many invitations every day, and do not reply. Are there any webcam site where I can negotiate dating?
[QUOTE=AntonioMontana;2016746]If you speak Russian maybe. When I was in Kiev (see post some time ago in 2015) it was not possible unfortunately, since I did not speak Russian. Buddha Bar and Shooters were quite empty on weekend. I remember sorry babushka was ok, but girls were just average and as I said without language no chance.[/QUOTE]Surprised to hear of your experiences in Budhha Bar. Was there last night and took home a really attractive MILF ($250 battered down from $400) who spoke excellent English and was really good company. Granted her tits had begun to sag a little and she had put on a few pounds but a really attractive woman nevertheless and a great (covered) shag; I'm taking her out for supper tonight.
I've been to Buddha Bar on at least four occasions over the last year and I've always left with something worthwhile. The demographic is generally older than Skybar or other such establishments but I've always found a gaggle of women (aged 25 +) to choose from. It's also really easy and comparatively cheap to negotiate around. You just go up to the bar order a cocktail (150 UAH) and survey what's on offer. I speak no Russian but am always suitably suited and booted and have almost always got my first choice. As a word of advice and one that applies to all such establishments: never hesitate. If you see something you like go straight up to her and say Hello, ask her name and offer to buy her a drink. Within moments she will mention her price and then you can gently bargain her down. Be polite and once she's reached her final offer take it or else quietly move on. From the girls I've met there most of them started out at other establishments (Rio, Dubai etc) and are seasoned pros. That doesn't mean that some of them aren't actually nice people it just means that they expect you to understand the rules of the game. If she looks at you once: you're on. If she looks at you twice she's wondering why you haven't made a move. You don't get a third look, because she's already looking for someone else.
As a general rule, you can expect to pay around $200. The service will almost certainly be covered in all respects and no anal but these rules become more flexible if you see the girl a few times. The price can also depend very much on how you look and behave. Several girls have proposed $150 to me straight off simply because they didn't want to go home with one of the sleaze bags that was circling. These are working girls but they're not so desperate that they won't knock off $50 to go home with someone they half like. If it's Mr Disgusting or nothing then they'll take Mr Disgusting but they earn enough not to have to leave with the guy that offers the most.
One word of warning the restaurant is seriously expensive and the foods not that good.
[QUOTE=SgtBoyle2;2017156]Surprised to hear of your experiences in Budhha Bar. Was there last night and took home a really attractive MILF ($250 battered down from $400) who spoke excellent English and was really good company. Granted her tits had begun to sag a little and she had put on a few pounds but a really attractive woman nevertheless and a great (covered) shag; I'm taking her out for supper tonight.
I've been to Buddha Bar on at least four occasions over the last year and I've always left with something worthwhile. The demographic is generally older than Skybar or other such establishments but I've always found a gaggle of women (aged 25 +) to choose from. It's also really easy and comparatively cheap to negotiate around. You just go up to the bar order a cocktail (150 UAH) and survey what's on offer. I speak no Russian but am always suitably suited and booted and have almost always got my first choice. As a word of advice and one that applies to all such establishments: never hesitate. If you see something you like go straight up to her and say Hello, ask her name and offer to buy her a drink. Within moments she will mention her price and then you can gently bargain her down. Be polite and once she's reached her final offer take it or else quietly move on. From the girls I've met there most of them started out at other establishments (Rio, Dubai etc) and are seasoned pros..[/QUOTE]Well my point.
Paying a MILF in Kiev 200 dollar, and from what I read she is not so beautiful, well we cannot complaint if Kiev is becoming expensive.
Really if you stroll around Kiev and offer 200 to good looking woman of 30-35, I think a lot will accept, sure you must direct proposition to woman that look interested, but after a bit ion chat you will understand.
If she can or cannot accept the gift.
Kiev is not for this place for mongering in club. I understand if you come for work and have some cash free, but if you come for pussy and end in Buddha really follow the message to go other sites, not only you will get low quality for high price.
I remember once I was in an hotel, the Bratislava, just first night to wait for my apartment next days, there was a MILF, pretty normal, she asked 150 dollar! I have fucked pussy of 18 for 800 gryvan in past, even less, and quality is always super good. In Kiev if you don't do homework, or not have a solid days game and street approach is totally a waste of time.
I have a friend who work as ***** as she like to tell to anybody, who she like me as person, never asked me anything. I like her as person, funny and sweet, and she is not a real beauty. It can be sexy maybe, but well beauty not.
She told me some foreign give her 400 500 dollar for night! Once she met a man and next days bought an iPhone 7! Another time I remember I met one nice girl. She was alone in McDonald. I sit near her and she was waiting another girl. The other arrived, and I saw she was quite different, kind of foxy girls. We spend time together in a coffee and suddenly she went to bathroom. Then she come back, and told us that there was an old friend downstairs. End of story she disappeared to first floor with the other girl. I paid and went out, they were sitting with two Turkish men. The girl I met first looked me very sad.
Morning hours the nice girl message me through viber, she told me that she went bad alone but her friend went with those men for sex. She told me that the girl do this every weekend and she likes money. And she told me that that night she collect a mac-book pro and 1000 dollar. So I wrote her I didn't believe at all. And she forwarded me a photo her friend sent her before. A macbook pro, like mine, and 10 pieces of 100 dollar.
End of story.
- don't overpay normal girl.
- being a ***** is morally acceptable in Ukraine.
[QUOTE=LuisVega11;2017259]Well my point.
Paying a MILF in Kiev 200 dollar, and from what I read she is not so beautiful, well we cannot complaint if Kiev is becoming expensive.
Really if you stroll around Kiev and offer 200 to good looking woman of 30-35, I think a lot will accept, sure you must direct proposition to woman that look interested, but after a bit ion chat you will understand.
If she can or cannot accept the gift.
Kiev is not for this place for mongering in club. I understand if you come for work and have some cash free, but if you come for pussy and end in Buddha really follow the message to go other sites, not only you will get low quality for high price.
I remember once I was in an hotel, the Bratislava, just first night to wait for my apartment next days, there was a MILF, pretty normal, she asked 150 dollar! I have fucked pussy of 18 for 800 gryvan in past, even less, and quality is always super good. In Kiev if you don't do homework, or not have a solid days game and street approach is totally a waste of time.
I have a friend who work as ***** as she like to tell to anybody, who she like me as person, never asked me anything. I like her as person, funny and sweet, and she is not a real beauty. It can be sexy maybe, but well beauty not.
She told me some foreign give her 400 500 dollar for night! Once she met a man and next days bought an iPhone 7! Another time I remember I met one nice girl. She was alone in McDonald. I sit near her and she was waiting another girl. The other arrived, and I saw she was quite different, kind of foxy girls. We spend time together in a coffee and suddenly she went to bathroom. Then she come back, and told us that there was an old friend downstairs. End of story she disappeared to first floor with the other girl. I paid and went out, they were sitting with two Turkish men. The girl I met first looked me very sad.
Morning hours the nice girl message me through viber, she told me that she went bad alone but her friend went with those men for sex. She told me that the girl do this every weekend and she likes money. And she told me that that night she collect a mac-book pro and 1000 dollar. So I wrote her I didn't believe at all. And she forwarded me a photo her friend sent her before. A macbook pro, like mine, and 10 pieces of 100 dollar.
End of story.
- don't overpay normal girl.
- being a ***** is morally acceptable in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]Excellent summary. Thank you.
Can me tell me how old do you look, fit / average / chubby and your ethnicity?
I am asking because I am guessing that they play a major part for your street game. Correct me if I am wrong.
I am 5' 8", 170 lbs and I consider myself a 7 in looks and look latino.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=LuisVega11;2017259]Well my point.
Paying a MILF in Kiev 200 dollar, and from what I read she is not so beautiful, well we cannot complaint if Kiev is becoming expensive.
Really if you stroll around Kiev and offer 200 to good looking woman of 30-35, I think a lot will accept, sure you must direct proposition to woman that look interested, but after a bit ion chat you will understand.
If she can or cannot accept the gift.
Kiev is not for this place for mongering in club. I understand if you come for work and have some cash free, but if you come for pussy and end in Buddha really follow the message to go other sites, not only you will get low quality for high price.
I remember once I was in an hotel, the Bratislava, just first night to wait for my apartment next days, there was a MILF, pretty normal, she asked 150 dollar! I have fucked pussy of 18 for 800 gryvan in past, even less, and quality is always super good. In Kiev if you don't do homework, or not have a solid days game and street approach is totally a waste of time.
I have a friend who work as ***** as she like to tell to anybody, who she like me as person, never asked me anything. I like her as person, funny and sweet, and she is not a real beauty. It can be sexy maybe, but well beauty not..[/QUOTE]Luis,
I accept your points of course and yes I do come to Kiev with more cash than time. However, I took the lady I mentioned in my report out to dinner last night. She was perfectly dressed and looked stunning a true 9/10. Granted her grading and indeed her tits fell when she took her off clothes but she was still a 7/8 and that's what you have to expect with most MILFs.
We had a great evening filled with really intelligent conversation. She is not just a * as you put it she is also an interesting professional lady. After supper we managed some real passion and, as I predicted, the experience was no longer entirely covered. We are planning to meet next month in Budapest.
Yes, Buddha Bar is a "box of chocolates" (apologies to Forrest Gump) but it is still part of the mongering scene in Kiev. I'm sure you and others with time and Game have had girls for a few hundred hryvnia but for those of us with less experience you won't get much for less than $150/100.
Everyone's Kiev is different.
Will be in Kiev in a couple weeks. If it sucks which country (s) should be my escape back-up for non-pro & semis?
Romania.
Hungary.
Poland.
Kosovo.
Macedonia.
Belarus.
Latvia.
Lithuania.
Estonia.
Croatia.
Montenegro.
Bosnia.
Czech.
Slovakia.
Slovenia.
Moldova.
Bulgaria.
Serbia.
Albania.
[QUOTE=Vitrea;2017383]Excellent summary. Thank you.
Can me tell me how old do you look, fit / average / chubby and your ethnicity?
I am asking because I am guessing that they play a major part for your street game. Correct me if I am wrong.
I am 5' 8", 170 lbs and I consider myself a 7 in looks and look latino.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'm now 38. 190 89 kg, I think fit and look mediterranean.
I'm still getting old for 18-20 normal girl, but still can find some. More 24-26 I'd say.
I am writing here because you don't have PM. You also advised me in another post that go to Switzerland as back up.
My issue with western Europe (out side of FKK) is lack of much day time take out action.
Is there any daytime action in Switzerland? Spain?
Ukraine still is tempting to many guys because of variety of 24/7 options and greater chance of encounters with semi pros.
[QUOTE=MagicSheep74;2004097]Finally some sense -.
Tourists. Avoid Ukraine all together -.
Arena, Shooter, Caribbean Club, Bhudda Bar, Rio, Gia, Mamba / They are Overrated, Overpiced, Over-hyped, Shit.
If you speak Russian and stay in Ukraine, then you can get some pussy from a 7/10 / Great. The 9/10 and 10/10 are not available to anyone on this board. If they were, we would read the reports about them. We don't.
If you has access to Europe, Go to Spain, Germany, Austria and Switzerland and fuck the brains out as many EE Women as you want in a nice country, instead of Ukraine which is the scam capital of Europe.
Good luck.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vitrea;2017655]I am writing here because you don't have PM. You also advised me in another post that go to Switzerland as back up.
My issue with western Europe (out side of FKK) is lack of much day time take out action.
Is there any daytime action in Switzerland? Spain?
Ukraine still is tempting to many guys because of variety of 24/7 options and greater chance of encounters with semi pros.[/QUOTE]Yes, Well Club Globe in Zurich is open at 11 am - 2 am, so there is plenty of daytime action inside. There is a huge numbers of clubs in Spain with action starting inside at 5 pm until 4 am. But then again, this is all indoor action.
I have taken a girl out from both clubs, but the cost of high.
I armed myself before I went to Kiev by building up contacts on Tinder, Mambu and Ukrainedate. I met 2 girls off Tinder and one off Mamba, but overall it was a very disappointing experience. The girls looked nowhere near as nice as they highly photoshopped profile pics online. So essentially you are sitting across from a 6 are 7/10 who speaks 10 words of English.
Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, you could try pounding the streets asking girl out, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results.
If it was me, I would just go to Zurich, spend the whole day in Globe fucking pretty high quality girls in a comfortable environment. Then at night after dinner about 10 pm walk into / [URL]www.clubaphrodisia.ch[/URL].
Where you can always find a legitimate 9/10 or better.
It depends what you after mate, Kiev is an interesting city and worth a visit. If you after Non-Pros and Semi Pros, I can't help to must. I guess you dating app like Tinder could help.
But if you are want to fuck many nice girls in a nice environment from afternoon onwards, then I can tell you exactly where to go and how much it will cost you.
Cheers.
I second that!
"Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results. ".
You'll just end up wasting time, wasting money on accommodation, and etc!
[QUOTE=MagicSheep74;2017697]Yes, Well Club Globe in Zurich is open at 11 am - 2 am, so there is plenty of daytime action inside.
I armed myself before I went to Kiev by building up contacts on Tinder, Mambu and Ukrainedate. I met 2 girls off Tinder and one off Mamba, but overall it was a very disappointing experience. The girls looked nowhere near as nice as they highly photoshopped profile pics online. So essentially you are sitting across from a 6 are 7/10 who speaks 10 words of English.
Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, you could try pounding the streets asking girl out, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results.
If it was me, I would just go to Zurich, spend the whole day in Globe fucking pretty high quality girls in a comfortable environment. Then at night after dinner about 10 pm walk into / [URL]www.clubaphrodisia.ch[/URL].
Where you can always find a legitimate 9/10 or better.
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[QUOTE=MagicSheep74;2017697]Yes, Well Club Globe in Zurich is open at 11 am - 2 am, so there is plenty of daytime action inside. There is a huge numbers of clubs in Spain with action starting inside at 5 pm until 4 am. But then again, this is all indoor action.
I have taken a girl out from both clubs, but the cost of high.
I armed myself before I went to Kiev by building up contacts on Tinder, Mambu and Ukrainedate. I met 2 girls off Tinder and one off Mamba, but overall it was a very disappointing experience. The girls looked nowhere near as nice as they highly photoshopped profile pics online. So essentially you are sitting across from a 6 are 7/10 who speaks 10 words of English.
Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, you could try pounding the streets asking girl out, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results.
If it was me, I would just go to Zurich, spend the whole day in Globe fucking pretty high quality girls in a comfortable environment. Then at night after dinner about 10 pm walk into / [URL]www.clubaphrodisia.ch[/URL].
Where you can always find a legitimate 9/10 or better.
It depends what you after mate, Kiev is an interesting city and worth a visit. If you after Non-Pros and Semi Pros, I can't help to must. I guess you dating app like Tinder could help.
But if you are want to fuck many nice girls in a nice environment from afternoon onwards, then I can tell you exactly where to go and how much it will cost you.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]Thank you. You summed it up nicely. Kudos.
My style of mongering is this: Have a mid day with +/- early evening short session romps in my apartment. Then dinner with friends and close the night with 2-3 hour session in my apartment.
I go to Colombia, once a week every two months and I do this everyday for 6 days with girl quality of 7's and 8's with a very rare 9.
For me there is something special about a nicely dressed and fresh smelling girl come knock on your door, have a drink, listen to some music, light massage and end it with a nice fuck in your own bed.
I was hoping to that in Kiev.
I know I can't do that in Switzerland. Probably not even in Spain.