German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2467732]I have already posted that many FKK girls are heading to the sunshine of Spain and I suspect other countries. Only 3 deaths and a handful of cases in the South of Spain in 1 week. They work by night and sunbathe by day. They earn minimum 120 p / hour and maybe up to 170 p / hour after paying the club. They need not get fucked by 15 guys to make their money and the only restriction is that on the way to the beach they wear a facemask. No big deal. In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain.[/QUOTE]Can you name any specific girls from "Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain?" No specifics? A name or two would add great credibility. Credibility is of value, we all agree.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2467732]I have already posted that many FKK girls are heading to the sunshine of Spain and I suspect other countries. Only 3 deaths and a handful of cases in the South of Spain in 1 week. They work by night and sunbathe by day. They earn minimum 120 p / hour and maybe up to 170 p / hour after paying the club. They need not get fucked by 15 guys to make their money and the only restriction is that on the way to the beach they wear a facemask. No big deal. In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain.[/QUOTE]Can you name any specific girls from "Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain?" No specifics? A name or two would add great credibility. Credibility is of value, we all agree. The Devil is in the details, ja?

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2467732]I have already posted that many FKK girls are heading to the sunshine of Spain and I suspect other countries. Only 3 deaths and a handful of cases in the South of Spain in 1 week. They work by night and sunbathe by day. They earn minimum 120 p / hour and maybe up to 170 p / hour after paying the club. They need not get fucked by 15 guys to make their money and the only restriction is that on the way to the beach they wear a facemask. No big deal. In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain.

It matters not if Austria gets closed. There are other (warmer) options. I fully understand Germany likes to play safe. But the insistence on keeping brothels closed is going to slowly kill them all and the ladies will just follow where the work and money is.

I love visiting FKKs. But I fear if they remain closed for even one month more it will finish them off for good. The girls I spoke to who moved to work in Spain say they would never return whenever Germany opens. If the German government wants to adopt the Nordic model it is playing this well. If it wants millions of taxes from prostitution in Germany it is truly making dreadful mistakes. For sure, lives and safety are paramount. But the numbers in Germany are no worse than in Spain. I genuinely think the clock is ticking on FKKs.[/QUOTE]I have to disagree a little bit, respectfully.

First, not all mongers are itching to go back to the clubs. Many Americans are genuinely concerned about their own health and safety probably, me being one. I would not be visiting any clubs even if the clubs were open this minute. I am staying away from even my sugar babes due to health concerns, and those are girls I can fuck any time w / o having to travel right near my home.

Also, some ex FKK girls may be in Spain, but not all, not even the most. Good for them that some of them are having a good time and a nice boost to their income. We will see what they do if / when we return to normalcy, whatever normalcy means. I think the supply / demand characteristic is very weird at the moment. Not all the erstwhile mongers are in the market, neither are all the ex German prostitutes. So, we have a very skewed balance. One example is in the US where clearly many millions lost jobs but many businesses are also not able to hire who and as many as they want to because a lot of people are getting free checks from the government, many employees are scared to work due to fear of covid etc.

We would only know what is the true supply demand balance when the travel restrictions are lifted the world over, people are no longer scared, there is a vaccine, etc. Then we will know which girls will return to DE, who will truly want to stay back in Spain, and what not. Until then, what these girls say is really just their emotions speaking in the moment and it is not as if they are not known to ever change their mind.

If the implication is that due to the willingness of Spain and a few other places to be slightly more relaxed on rules that there is a permanent realignment of mongering destinations for girls and guys, that is a bit premature thing to say, in my humble opinion.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Alessandro527;2467679]It is not like every summer but yes social distancing and mask wearing is not followed everywhere. No tourists in Roma, a second wave is coming or is already here.

I don't see any FKK opening in 2020.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think they should have closed beach resorts, people are all over as if they want to get back lost time during lock down. Let see how that turns out. It takes everyone's cooperation to stop this, but it is not the mindset of many people to cooperate. If they don't, all the lock down and tears shared by small business owners will be for nothing.

FKK would be the last as it already was most criticized industry by society even though it is one of the most important industry for us mongers LOL.

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The girls I spoke to who moved to work in Spain say they would never return whenever Germany opens [/QUOTE]
These girls do not understand the basic law in economics. If many FKKs girls are moving to Spain there will soon be an oversupply. They will come back when the supply is much higher than demand.

The customers of many FKK in Germany are not only local people in Germany but many are also coming from neighbouring countries doing a day trip to German FKK, especially during the weekend.

But I agree some FKKs owner might not be able to sustain loss and is finally going bankrupt if the FKK cannot be open soon.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2466007]Let's assume that one year ago (before CV19), you would start testing people for the regular (flu? Or we start officially recording the number of bee stings? Would you get concerned if "case are again rising?

Merely the number of cases means very little to me.

What matters to me is the Case Fatality Rate, in other words, what is the chance of actually dying. How many people (who were perfectly healthy before getting infected with CV19!) are actually dying because of CV19? Some people with underlying health problems can die of the regular flu, just like some people can die of an allergic reaction because of a bee sting, or some people die (slowly!) because of the horrible food they eat in fast food restaurants. Does this mean we should close down the entire economy and our entire society also for those reasons?

I think we have truly gone mad, and the media is feeding our mass hysteria every day with "cases are again rising![/QUOTE]

The difference between COVID-19 infection and flu virus infection is that, this virus will attack your lung. Even you manage to recover, to some extend, it might still damage your lung. The damaged lung is irreversible.

[QUOTE=DenHaag;2467737]Can you name any specific girls from "Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain?" No specifics? A name or two would add great credibility. Credibility is of value, we all agree. The Devil is in the details, ja?[/QUOTE]At "PFI": Please back up your post with some specific details. You said in a definitive manner that there are girls from Sharks and Oase working in Spain clubs. Okay: who and where specifically? Sweeping general statements give little fruit. The proof is in the pudding, yes? So thanks so much for showing us your cards.

Interesting responses guys. And of course I respect all views. Den Haag, perfectly reasonable to ask for names. So, a week last Friday, in E92, Maria, Blonde Ro, short, body 7/10 deep blue eyes, worked in Oase in 2017. When I saw her she asked if I remembered her and I said I did but did not remember her in E92. I thought I had seen her in one of the Madrid clubs. She reminded me we had sessioned in room 28 (one of the two big rooms by the jacuzzi downstairs in Oase) where we had a threesome with Elizabeth (Hungary with the big natural boobs). I had forgotten! She pointed out a brunette Romanian girl in E92 who I think was Denisa (who I had not seen at Oase but Maria said she worked there too. I recognised blonde Jenny from Artemis. Though I never roomed with her, she always stood at the far end of the bar from the entrance to the bar at Artemis. Very tall, always worse big red glasses and spoke with an American accent though she is Romanian. We said Hi. She was one who said she wouldn't return to Germany.

Pessimist, totally respect your personal decision that you would not monger presently. It is very much that. A personal decision. Not for a moment do I suggest ALL FKK girls will go to Spain. Far from it. I merely make the point that whilst Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Spain and other countries have allowed brothels to re-open, the decision to keep them closed in Germany will very seriously impact their future. Girls who have never previously worked outside Germany will see that it is possible to make as much money without having to be fucked for 50/30 for hours on end. And possibly in nicer environments and / or climates.

Adindas. As above. I don't believe all FKK girls will flock to Spain. But the girls will go to wherever they can to earn money be that Amsterdam, Brussels, Spain, Austria, Zurich or wherever. I have little doubt that the big FKKs will survive. And to be clear. I really HOPE they do! I love going to FKKs. More than mongering anywhere else. I just think the policy of keeping them closed when the rest of Europe has opened up brothels is financially dangerous for the FKKs.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2467732] In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain..[/QUOTE]Which 3 clubs?

Interesting responses guys. And of course I respect all views. Den Haag, perfectly reasonable to ask for names. So, a week last Friday, in E92, Maria, Blonde Ro, short, body 7/10 deep blue eyes, worked in Oase in 2017. When I saw her she asked if I remembered her and I said I did but did not remember her in E92. I thought I had seen her in one of the Madrid clubs. She reminded me we had sessioned in room 28 (one of the two big rooms by the jacuzzi downstairs in Oase) where we had a threesome with Elizabeth (Hungary with the big natural boobs). I had forgotten! She pointed out a brunette Romanian girl in E92 who I think was Denisa (who I had not seen at Oase but Maria said she worked there too. I recognized blonde Jenny from Artemis. Though I never roomed with her, she always stood at the far end of the bar from the entrance to the bar at Artemis. Very tall, always worse big red glasses and spoke with an American accent though she is Romanian. We said Hi. She was one who said she wouldn't return to Germany.

Pessimist, totally respect your personal decision that you would not monger presently. It is very much that. A personal decision. Not for a moment do I suggest ALL FKK girls will go to Spain. Far from it. I merely make the point that whilst Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Spain and other countries have allowed brothels to re-open, the decision to keep them closed in Germany will very seriously impact their future. Girls who have never previously worked outside Germany will see that it is possible to make as much money without having to be fucked for 50/30 for hours on end. And possibly in nicer environments and / or climates.

Adindas. As above. I don't believe all FKK girls will flock to Spain. But the girls will go to wherever they can to earn money be that Amsterdam, Brussels, Spain, Austria, Zurich or wherever. I have little doubt that the big FKKs will survive. And to be clear. I really HOPE they do! I love going to FKKs. More than mongering anywhere else. I just think the policy of keeping them closed when the rest of Europe has opened up brothels is financially dangerous for the FKK.

The girls are perfectly aware about what is happening in the other countries, just Austria and Germany FKK are at the same level, in Spain there are a lot of mafia guys around, in Switzerland the girls are mostly under huge pressure from the owners even to accept anal sex. Bruxelles is also dangerous.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2467807]These girls do not understand the basic law in economics. If many FKKs girls are moving to Spain there will soon be an oversupply. They will come back when the supply is much higher than demand.

The customers of many FKK in Germany are not only local people in Germany but many are also coming from neighbouring countries doing a day trip to German FKK, especially during the weekend.

But I agree some FKKs owner might not be able to sustain loss and is finally going bankrupt if the FKK cannot be open soon.[/QUOTE]I agree, and don't forget that many visitors to Germany are business people (= have money) because Germany is an industrial country, and they combine business with some pleasure. This is basically what I do, but my company doesn't have business in Spain or the same volume of business in Austria and Switzerland. The FKK clubs in Switzerland will of course attracts many rich people from the financial industry, but overall a country needs to meet a couple of conditions in order for an FKK club to survive;.

1) a legal framework, legalizing prostitution.

2) a rich customer base, either locals or many rich visitors.

These two conditions will attract the girls, and Germany and Switzerland still hold the best cards.

Anyway, with each week and month going by, I think the chances of German FKK clubs opening again is getting smaller and smaller, because cases are again rising and it's not even autumn-winter yet.

I think ventilation is key, and I would have had no problem visiting Sharks or GT during the summer, spend many hours outside, fucking in an outdoor area or a cabin with the door open, the doors to the restaurant area wide open allowing fresh air to ventilate the entire club area. But visiting in the winter? Doors closed? Heavy air, full of cigarette smoke? Stuffy and poorly ventilated rooms upstairs at Sharks? Even more stuffy rooms underneath the aquarium? Small and busy lounge area in GT? No way I will be visiting Sharks or GT, unless the health authorities (RKI in Germany) + Sharks / GT management will seriously start to look into improving and upgrading the HVAC (Heating, Ventilating, Air Conditioning) systems with special filters that can kill the virus!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2467836]Interesting responses guys. And of course I respect all views. Den Haag, perfectly reasonable to ask for names. So, a week last Friday, in E92, Maria, Blonde Ro, short, body 7/10 deep blue eyes, worked in Oase in 2017. When I saw her she asked if I remembered her and I said I did but did not remember her in E92. I thought I had seen her in one of the Madrid clubs. She reminded me we had sessioned in room 28 (one of the two big rooms by the jacuzzi downstairs in Oase) where we had a threesome with Elizabeth (Hungary with the big natural boobs). I had forgotten! She pointed out a brunette Romanian girl in E92 who I think was Denisa (who I had not seen at Oase but Maria said she worked there too. I recognised blonde Jenny from Artemis. Though I never roomed with her, she always stood at the far end of the bar from the entrance to the bar at Artemis. Very tall, always worse big red glasses and spoke with an American accent though she is Romanian. We said Hi. She was one who said she wouldn't return to Germany.

Pessimist, totally respect your personal decision that you would not monger presently. It is very much that. A personal decision. Not for a moment do I suggest ALL FKK girls will go to Spain. Far from it. I merely make the point that whilst Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Spain and other countries have allowed brothels to re-open, the decision to keep them closed in Germany will very seriously impact their future. Girls who have never previously worked outside Germany will see that it is possible to make as much money without having to be fucked for 50/30 for hours on end. And possibly in nicer environments and / or climates.

Adindas. As above. I don't believe all FKK girls will flock to Spain. But the girls will go to wherever they can to earn money be that Amsterdam, Brussels, Spain, Austria, Zurich or wherever. I have little doubt that the big FKKs will survive. And to be clear. I really HOPE they do! I love going to FKKs. More than mongering anywhere else. I just think the policy of keeping them closed when the rest of Europe has opened up brothels is financially dangerous for the FKKs.[/QUOTE]I think there maybe owner change, but big FKK will be there, just with different owner who buy it for cheaper price.

However, if the property is not rented and bought, I think to sustain FKK during lock down is not too much, like let say Artemis, how many employees are there? Maybe 20 to 30 max, security, cleaning lady, receptionist, medical doctor, masseuse, bartenders, some administrative staffs and that is about it. Girls do not work for clubs, but also are guests like us. So no income, but not too much expense. Also no cost for light, water etc as I believe the place is shut.

NRW Germans are trying Globe, like Tara, Melina. Silicon and tattooed Melika is at 6 ens NL. A so pretty face from Artemis for me at Globe.

If still open, business should be down in Spain on end of September.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2467594]And we are the neo-monger believes in neo-mongerism and oddly most of society disagree with us and I don't know why LOL![/QUOTE]I blame it on widespread erectile problems, and ugly feminist women.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2467469]Nope, that is the feminist agenda groups. Not the same as the global neo-marxist. The latter has ties to the green movements and green parties, and they actually want to legalize prostitution............[/QUOTE]I never thought that I would like Marxism.