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[QUOTE=Jojosun;2019514]Hi Paul,

Here's an interesting link on the cost of such a passport. [URL]http://www.luganskukraine.info/cost-of-biometric-international-passport-in-ukraine.aspx[/URL].

"In Ukraine people have local passport used as main ID inside the country and if they need to travel abroad they need to get International Passport. It can be with a chip with biometric data about the person or without a chip. The cost of the passport is $45 if you want to make it fast and it will be ready in 7 working days. You can also get it cheaper for $35, the passport will be ready in 20 days".

$45/$35 for a 10 years passport doesn't sound too expensive even by UA Standards.

" Very often scammers from Ukraine ask a lot of money to make international passport to be able to travel abroad and they also say it's difficult. Now you know that it really doesn't cost much and can be made very fast. Here is a good article with more details about where to apply, how long it takes and what documents needed to make biometric passport in Ukraine:

Probably the second requirement for a a passport with a chip is the most difficult for many unless they can fiddle the tax return as well.

The list of documents required to apply for the International Passport of Ukraine. " The cost of International Passport in Ukraine. How to apply and how long it takes to get one".

1. Passport of Ukrainian citizen;.

2. Personal tax number. Tax payers identification code. Only original document issued by tax office;.

Application form;.

Here's another link [URL]http://ukraine-women-for-marriage.com/international-passport-in-ukraine.aspx[/URL].[/QUOTE]Jo. Thanks for all the useful information. I stand corrected.

The current rate then for a 1 year schengen visa and going the first time the through Lithuania. This will then all be eliminated then after June?

[QUOTE=YellowPaul;2019681]Jo. Thanks for all the useful information. I stand corrected.

The current rate then for a 1 year schengen visa and going the first time the through Lithuania. This will then all be eliminated then after June?[/QUOTE]As from next June they can travel to any country in the EU without getting a visa first.

Even back in 2009/2010 many girls were getting Schengen visas to the Czech Republic and Italy in Kiev after greasing the palms of few officials at the time.

Will send you the requested contacts in Minsk. Soon.

I agree. I fucked this MILF again (29 years) in winter, in Kiev. She takes the local guys in her apartment. It's not Charlize Theron or Angelina Jolie.

Yes. She is no longer young and has a few extra pounds on her body. But in my Poland I could not fuck such a woman for 25 $.

All in a condom but I did not hesitate in manifestations of my lust. I fucked her hard and aggressively as Pierre Woodman. With slaps on the ass and finished in good doggy style position. I even thought that she liked it. Ukrainian girls and women like hard aggressive sex in position name, rakom, (doggy position). They love the hard dominant male. Who experiences acute sexual hunger and wants to fuck them hard.

But in my Poland I could not fuck such a woman for 25 $. It would cost me probably $ 70 minimum and maybe 100.

[QUOTE=IrishLad;2019236]The post you quoted is a hybrid of mine and another one but here goes:

Sure, some girls are asking $300 on Mamba and this is because of the Ukrainian economic mentality. If fewer customers, charge more. This happens all the time in restaurants here and leads to their closing up. However, using "outliers" like that doesn't reflect the general trend. Mamba is much more full of pros now due to the economic situation rather than any increase in demand.

Many rich people live in Kiev and always have, but that higher tier is not accessible to many girls. I know of one rich man who pays $1,000 a night for girls but they must be exactly the type he likes, tall and very skinny and girls go on diets to meet that.

Not all girls consider sponsorship as prostitution so flying off to an Arabic country would not be for them.[/QUOTE]If I can find exactly my type, I'll pay 1000 $ a night for one girl)), not girls.

[URL]http://chicago.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sweet-girls-and-great-relaxation-awesome-european-massage-lombard-riverwoods/49303927[/URL]

Hey guys,

I know it doesn't belong here, but we have something really good happening in my home city of Chicago. There is a talented Ukrainian pimp that's managed to pull ahead of the other Euro agencies with a core group of very loyal local Ukrainians. It's become so successful that Ua girls living in other states have actually moved here to work with her. It's not a typical agency, she's selective about the customers and it's created a culture where the girls are unusually eager to work. If you are in Chicago and have a car, it's an affordable mongering option that offers a very unique experience. I'm also mentioning this because if you know a Ukrainian girl in America that would like to sell her pussy and doesn't know where to go, you can now direct her to this lovely Ukrainian lady that has brought me so much fun.

You can read my reports on USG Chicago BP Reviews for a better feel of the agency. Fly in with UA, very customer friendly. LOL

Guys, I need some help! I thinK I caught something from a semi-pro. Where can I get tested in Kiev? Is there a clinic or can I go into a hospital? I'm a forum veteran with many posts and would appreciate a fast response. Spasibo.

[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme;2021387]Guys I need some help! I thinK I caught something from a semi-pro. Where can I get tested in Kiev? Is there a clinic or can I go into a hospital? I'm a forum veteran with many posts and would appreciate a fast response. Spasibo.[/QUOTE][URL]http://amcenters.com/kyiv/[/URL] American Medical Centers Address: Berdychivska St, 1, Kyiv, Ukraine, 02000.

Phone: +380 44 490 7600.

8 am /8 pm Address: Berdychivska St, 1, Kyiv, Ukraine, 02000.

And here [URL]https://www.inyourpocket.com/kyiv/American-Medical-Centre_43226v.[/URL].

[URL]http://amc.com.cy/en-us/[/URL]

More info here as well. [URL]http://www.expatua.com/forum/index.php?topic=2091.0[/URL].

"I am guessing that the citizens can get tested for free. Personally, if it was my arm OR I wanted to be absolutely certain of the results, I would go to American Medical Center or EuroLAB for hygiene and security's sake. Then the report would be paid for by me and I would not have to wonder if it was doctored or purchased / made up."

The info above is still valid.

[QUOTE=Riina;2021189][URL]http://chicago.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sweet-girls-and-great-relaxation-awesome-european-massage-lombard-riverwoods/49303927[/URL]

Hey guys,

I know it doesn't belong here, but we have something really good happening in my home city of Chicago. There is a talented Ukrainian pimp that's managed to pull ahead of the other Euro agencies with a core group of very loyal local Ukrainians. It's become so successful that Ua girls living in other states have actually moved here to work with her. It's not a typical agency, she's selective about the customers and it's created a culture where the girls are unusually eager to work. If you are in Chicago and have a car, it's an affordable mongering option that offers a very unique experience. I'm also mentioning this because if you know a Ukrainian girl in America that would like to sell her pussy and doesn't know where to go, you can now direct her to this lovely Ukrainian lady that has brought me so much fun.

You can read my reports on USG Chicago BP Reviews for a better feel of the agency. Fly in with UA, very customer friendly. LOL[/QUOTE]Thanks for your informative report.

Last year I met a very Mobile UA Madam at the Barge in Vegas, she told me she comes to Vegas every 3 or 4 months with 2 or 3 girls late 20's. Her girls were really top of the range, she was talking in the range of $400/$500 which wasn't bad for Vegas but not the price that I would pay.

She also goes to London and when there, she's usually found at Buddha Bar London but for top $$$ prices. The area is populated by very rich Russians and Gulf Arabs.

So as most of you are telling the $300 Rio takeout price is ridiculous, what are the other options where stripclubs do takeout?

I only know of Penthouse (the smaller one, not in Arena).

Red Lion did takeout, but doesn't anymore.

Is Rio the only one left doing takeout? I like stripclubs, but $300 is a bit too much, $150 like it was 2 years ago in Penthouse is do-able.

Thanks Jojosun, I actually found the only venereal specialist with an English site. Seems like everything is OK, hopefully this is the end of it.

[QUOTE=CherchezFemme;2021387]Guys, I need some help! I thinK I caught something from a semi-pro. Where can I get tested in Kiev? Is there a clinic or can I go into a hospital? I'm a forum veteran with many posts and would appreciate a fast response. Spasibo.[/QUOTE]There was clinic in Shota rustaveli some years a go, expensive but English speaking and sent me results per email. A pro WG took me there upon my request, it's the place they go

I am struggling to get girls in Kiev.

Mamba: I called a dozen girls, among which two girls were nice and young. Some of the others were escort agencies. Escort-agency based girls were very boring (without foreplay, without oral without condom, finishing everything within 30 minutes) though they look good. The rest were worst: mothers with real photos but taken 5 or more years ago. They never feel guilty at all, but 5 years is as long as eternity.

Night clubs: is it possible to ask the floor staff to gather nice girls with whom I can negotiate? For example, in Caribbean club, I occasionally found nice-looking tall girls. While I try to talk to them on the dance floor, they disappear to somewhere upstair, where they quickly find their clients for the night.

[QUOTE=Deer1234;2022747]I am struggling to get girls in Kiev.

Mamba: I called a dozen girls, among which two girls were nice and young. Some of the others were escort agencies. Escort-agency based girls were very boring (without foreplay, without oral without condom, finishing everything within 30 minutes) though they look good. The rest were worst: mothers with real photos but taken 5 or more years ago. They never feel guilty at all, but 5 years is as long as eternity.

Night clubs: is it possible to ask the floor staff to gather nice girls with whom I can negotiate? For example, in Caribbean club, I occasionally found nice-looking tall girls. While I try to talk to them on the dance floor, they disappear to somewhere upstair, where they quickly find their clients for the night.[/QUOTE]As regards nightclubs I think you are adopting the wrong approach if your are trying to speak to girls who are dancing. The pros and semi pros hang around the bar they don't dance because they are working. If a girl is dancing for any length of time and so not just to attract attention then she probably wants to dance or else has already secured her client for the evening.

Just go to the bar in any of the usual spots and order a drink. If a girl looks at you for any length of time that's an invitation to come over. Some of the best looking girls may be a bit more disdainful but that is all part of the show and is just to put you on the back foot in terms of negotiations. A girl on her own in a bar is a pro, a girl with another girl is a probably a pro or semi pro. They tend to hunt in twos so that larger groups may well be just on a girls' night out.

However just because a girl is a semi pros doesn't mean she's going to go with anyone who offers her the right money. They are not like the girls in a salon (brothel). These girls are there because they've got to pay the bills but many of them are also looking for a nice evening and a man who will treat them nicely. Most of these girls will be immaculately dressed and as well as earning themselves circa $200 they would also appreciate a little glamour in their otherwise dull lives.

This is an important consideration because how you look and dress and how you behave may well effect how much you pay and whether they agree to go home with you at all. Never assume anything with these girls. Oh and don't expect the barman to help you as they pretend nothing is going on.

When you approach a girl keep it simple and be confident. Introduce yourself say where you're from and be as open as your circumstances permits. If she doesn't speak English you'll know immediately and you either reach for your translator on your phone or give up. If you like her then ask her if she wants a drink (150 hryvnia) or even just what she's drinking. Usually the girl will mention money first but if she doesn't just say something along the lines about helping her with her expenses.

Some members of this forum bargain like they are on the stock market floor but that's not my approach. In reality the range is usually somewhere between $150 -250 depending on the looks of the girl. If you get an opening bid of $400 just smile say she 's obviously worth it but that you both know that's too much. Judge your own bid carefully and if possible get her to bid against herself. What you're ultimately offered will depend on the girl's looks, how busy the bar is and the time of the evening. If it's late and the the competition is a bunch of sleaze balls then you might get a good offer.

Don't haggle. The negotiations should be over within a few minutes at the very most. If she won't budge and you don't like her enough then just smile and move on. She won't be offended and may even come back to at a later stage in the evening.

Also don't hesitate. If you see something you like go up to her immediately. If you like her then so will others: if you snooze you lose.

Some members insist on negotiating length of stay and services but that's not my approach and I suspect many of the girls I've met would be offended by such tactics: there are degrees of pros. I personally just say that I plan to get a drink or a bite to eat first and is that OK with her; it almost always is.

Frankly the services will almost certainly be covered on a first occasion but if you click with the girl and you get her phone number you can expect more with each subsequent visit. I've met a number of really lovely girls this way and they are friends as much as anything.

Oh and if you want some professional assistance you can pm me for Andrei's number but not all members of this forum are fans.

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