[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1723784]I didn't see anything there for me, but in Feb the barfine in Det5 was 1600.[/QUOTE]1600 with an optional tip for a few hours isn't too bad. I'll check it out even if the pickings are very slim.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1723784]I didn't see anything there for me, but in Feb the barfine in Det5 was 1600.[/QUOTE]1600 with an optional tip for a few hours isn't too bad. I'll check it out even if the pickings are very slim.
[QUOTE=Lou32;1724099]1600 with an optional tip for a few hours isn't too bad. I'll check it out even if the pickings are very slim.[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with the perimeter bars. Det5 did lose a lot of girls to Fire Pit the other month. Candy Bar next to Det5 did have some nice lookers. FYI, some perimeter girls go home at closing time around 11:00 pm so the family don't know they are working in a bar, so ask in advance and take them out earlier. Also they will ask what hotel you are in, mostly so they don't run into friends or family working there. They may also tell you that they will meet you at your hotel so their F + F don't see them with someone. Personally I have a better time with the perimeter girls than fields girls. Also with the BF around 1500 I tip the girls better, generally around 1000. Still for me a better value and GFE experience. I will be back in June and my dance card is already pretty full with 7 perimeter girls from before!
Avoid the Nemesis Bar at all costs. Was previously named Genesis. There is no mamasan. Only a Korean male manager who clearly has no idea how to control the girls. They have his measure and the concept of customer service is non-existent.
The bar fine of PHP 2,500 is paid directly to the girl and she then presumably gives a cut to Mr Kim. Took a skinny stunner named Juss. I knew she was going to be a starfish, but having partied hard for the past week, I just needed just a warm body to lie next to in bed. Was not too concerned about PSE performance!
What followed next I think was an orchestrated scam. After agreeing to LT she then gets a phone call in the room after about 2 hours in. She explains that her best friend is going overseas blah blah and wants to go to her farewell party blah blah blah. Could she now leave? I said what about our contract as she accepted the money and agreed the terms. No answer and puts on the usual pinay sad face which you are all familiar with. I told her to go as there is no point putting up with an uncooperative girl for another 7 hours. If there was a strong mamasan at the bar, I doubt the girls would renege on contracts like this. What are punters like us going to do? Go see Mr Kim for a refund? That's why these scams work.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1724139]Avoid the Nemesis Bar at all costs. Was previously named Genesis. There is no mamasan.
The bar fine of PHP 2,500 is paid directly to the girl and she then presumably gives a cut to Mr Kim.
She explains that her best friend is going overseas blah blah and wants to go to her farewell party blah blah blah. Could she now leave? I said what about our contract as she accepted the money and agreed the terms. If there was a strong mamasan at the bar, I doubt the girls would renege on contracts like this. What are punters like us going to do? Go see Mr Kim for a refund? That's why these scams work.[/QUOTE]In this case it appears to be the punter and not the bar. So you don't mind being at the mercy of a mamasan? How about taking some initiative and growing some balls. You are supposed to be the consumer but it looks like you are the one being consumed.
So you are supposed to pay the barfine directly to the girl? Well that is how I have always done things in AC, no matter what everyone else does. But I think the difference is that I pay the girl after the work is completed. You must have paid her before. Being paid before is no incentive for anything except to see how fast you can get off work to go spend the money. Does your boss pay you before work?
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1724139]Avoid the Nemesis Bar at all costs. Was previously named Genesis. There is no mamasan. Only a Korean male manager who clearly has no idea how to control the girls. They have his measure and the concept of customer service is non-existent.
The bar fine of PHP 2,500 is paid directly to the girl and she then presumably gives a cut to Mr Kim. Took a skinny stunner named Juss. I knew she was going to be a starfish, but having partied hard for the past week, I just needed just a warm body to lie next to in bed. Was not too concerned about PSE performance!
What followed next I think was an orchestrated scam. After agreeing to LT she then gets a phone call in the room after about 2 hours in. She explains that her best friend is going overseas blah blah and wants to go to her farewell party blah blah blah. Could she now leave? I said what about our contract as she accepted the money and agreed the terms. No answer and puts on the usual pinay sad face which you are all familiar with. I told her to go as there is no point putting up with an uncooperative girl for another 7 hours. If there was a strong mamasan at the bar, I doubt the girls would renege on contracts like this. What are punters like us going to do? Go see Mr Kim for a refund? That's why these scams work.[/QUOTE]Is it the whole bar or just that girl? My very first barfine last year was from Club Asia and the girl was fun and giggly in the bar and seemed very enthusiastic but complained about walking back to my hotel which was the first warning sign. After about an hour of fun then about 45 minutes of "sleep" she simply rolled over and told me she had to go. We had agreed on her staying to 10 AM and she says this to me around 3 AM. She even did the sad puppy dog face. I didn't feel as if the whole bar did this to me though.
[QUOTE=Lou32;1724264]Is it the whole bar or just that girl? My very first barfine last year was from Club Asia and the girl was fun and giggly in the bar and seemed very enthusiastic but complained about walking back to my hotel which was the first warning sign. After about an hour of fun then about 45 minutes of "sleep" she simply rolled over and told me she had to go. We had agreed on her staying to 10 AM and she says this to me around 3 AM. She even did the sad puppy dog face. I didn't feel as if the whole bar did this to me though.[/QUOTE]I agree. It can happen from any bar, not specifically Nemesis due to their situation. It happens to me on occasion even with my best gut feelings and interrogations I can be fooled. Some bars may have it happen more than others though but I seriously doubt that there is any club there that is really immune to it. I heard but not verified, that the owner of Texas does not allow that though. All the ones I have taken from there have always stayed the night. I think that is a rare exception and not sure if that is really a rule in his bar.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1724238]In this case it appears to be the punter and not the bar. So you don't mind being at the mercy of a mamasan? How about taking some initiative and growing some balls. You are supposed to be the consumer but it looks like you are the one being consumed.
So you are supposed to pay the barfine directly to the girl? Well that is how I have always done things in AC, no matter what everyone else does. But I think the difference is that I pay the girl after the work is completed. You must have paid her before. Being paid before is no incentive for anything except to see how fast you can get off work to go spend the money. Does your boss pay you before work?[/QUOTE]Confused. You have quoted some barfine or EWR costs and say you always pay afterwards. I see also that you do the freelance scene in AC. Do you not barfine or EWR in the clubs? Only recently have some bars instituted the pay the woman instead of the bar deal, but a lot have not. You still have to pay before you leave the club. Are you really doing that with clubs in AC or are you talking specifically for freelancers? If you are talking about the bars in AC please name them. I'm curious.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1724238]In this case it appears to be the punter and not the bar. So you don't mind being at the mercy of a mamasan? How about taking some initiative and growing some balls. You are supposed to be the consumer but it looks like you are the one being consumed.
So you are supposed to pay the barfine directly to the girl? Well that is how I have always done things in AC, no matter what everyone else does. But I think the difference is that I pay the girl after the work is completed. You must have paid her before. Being paid before is no incentive for anything except to see how fast you can get off work to go spend the money. Does your boss pay you before work?[/QUOTE]I am here at fields ave for my second night now. Based on some postings here I trusted the mamasan and paid 2. 4 k for an EWR upfront (she even brought an official looking form thus titled and scribbled a signature hastily in front of me) after having a great time with a foxy looking thing from HiQ. I believe this is the norm at some places while at others you pay the gal. At least I vaguely recall reading this somewhere in the last 15 pages. She kept the commitment until 12 pm today instead of the agreed upon lunch time. But that's more because I lost my "power" and began feeling dull heavy and under the weather and got her bored with my less than enthusiastic morning performance.
I bar-hopped about 7 to 8 places last night. Almost all the places from Dollshouse to Gecko to Rhapsody, Shipwrecked and many others my beer laden stupor won't allow me to remember, had very sad looking gals. I mean wasting bodies because of their night shift and poor diet. I was at the fag end of my bar hopping stamina when I found this dreamy eyed sweetness of a door gal whom I instantly grabbed around the waist and dragged her into HiQ for an interview. She said she didn't do ass so I asked her playfully what she did best. When she remained silent unsure how to answer I suggested BJ? No she said. Not even that? I don't like she said. I had to let her go. Even as I interviewed her this foxy bundle of enthusiasm had been making eyes at me from the dance floor. I was at the extreme corner of the bar but we had established enough rapport in the 15 minutes In interviewed the 1st gal and her intent to find a customer and make him happy was clear. She thrilled me with her tounge flicking it teasingly from the nape of my neck to the ear, as she gyrated to the music and even pulled up my T-shirt to nibble my nipple a few times all the while keeping a playful happy-go-lucky demeanor. That's it. I was sold.
The previous night in BKK I was tired from a 11h flight and ended picking up a sad (in retrospect) 5/10 FL from Amazonia. This is prolly the 5th or 6 the time in my mongering vacations I let the darkness of the ambient lighting and the beer defeat my own judgment. She was a kisser though and we spent more time kissing than banging her puss. My 2nd night in Angels I had resolved to find one strictly above 5'6" with ample booties and hooters. The HiQ gal made me drop that idea just for the sheer fun factor of her company. Look for a gal named MaiMai with slanted Japanese eyes and a birthmark next to an eye. Yes she's half Jap, and for a mother of a boy and a working bar gal has an incredibly clean puss. I spend a good 30 minutes dining at the Y. She is a receiver and loves her cleat dealt with In a demanding fashion. Only that I believe my being under the weather today has to do with the bacteria at her Y. This is the umpteenth time I have felt something hitting hitting my throat even as I dined at the Y - Even with my regular girlfriend, and felt unwell the next day. Never had an STI though.
BTW she demanded a tip while leaving and I handed her 300. She looked mad at the measly amount and said not even 500? I normally take 1000. I reminded her of the breakfast room service and bar fine. She left in a huff reading my room number at the door with an attitude of revenge. Otherwise she was really a great gal to have throughout.
Cheers.
P.S.: pardon the lack of punctuation and quotes. Mobiles and long posts are anthetical to each other.
Peeman.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1724238]In this case it appears to be the punter and not the bar. So you don't mind being at the mercy of a mamasan? How about taking some initiative and growing some balls. You are supposed to be the consumer but it looks like you are the one being consumed.
So you are supposed to pay the barfine directly to the girl? Well that is how I have always done things in AC, no matter what everyone else does. But I think the difference is that I pay the girl after the work is completed. You must have paid her before. Being paid before is no incentive for anything except to see how fast you can get off work to go spend the money. Does your boss pay you before work?[/QUOTE]Mr Entertainment, I respect your seniority, knowledge and experience, but on this occasion I think you are talking out of your ass. When the girl in the bar (not a freelancer) says pay me now, you pay her in the bar. No pay, no take out.
And yes, I would rather be at the mercy of the mamasan as you put it. Do you think any girl at Doll House would be willing to take on Mama Marika? She is one of the most customer friendly mamasans in AC. My point was that it is always better to deal with an experienced mamasan rather than some faceless bean counter from Korea. I can just imagine you going to Mr Kim to reinforce your contract.
Peeman mentioned sad looking girls not helped by poor diet and lack of sleep. I have to agree that I have not seen a sadder looking bunch of girls than at AC. It's not just the late nights destroying their sleeping patterns, but daily Jollie Bee and the alcohol as well. I don't see any lolly water LD's anymore. I pace myself with SMLs, but the girls are drinking full strength lemon infused SMs. Given that they drinking at least 2-3 a night, 6 days a week, I wonder what their little Pinay livers look like in 12 months? They might need to include LFTs as part of their weekly testing.
Many people have written about how to kill the day time hours in Angeles City. After you kick out your bar fine at 9. 00 am, what do you do until 8. 00 pm before hitting the bars again? Here's my two cents worth:
1. Have breakfast at your hotel (1-hour).
2. Do your emails, attend to work matters back home, change money (2 hours).
3. Have a legit massage (1 hour).
4. Lunch anywhere (1 hour).
5. Have a foot massage (1 hour).
6. Walk to SM Clark Mall and browse the shops. Play spot the off-duty WL (2 hours).
7. Go to one of the gyms in AC and burn off those SMs and Jollie Bees (2 hours).
8. Read a book (1 hour).
9. Back to your room for a shower before heading out again (1 hour).
[QUOTE=KeyMaster;1724271]Confused. You have quoted some barfine or EWR costs and say you always pay afterwards. I see also that you do the freelance scene in AC. Do you not barfine or EWR in the clubs? Only recently have some bars instituted the pay the woman instead of the bar deal, but a lot have not. You still have to pay before you leave the club. Are you really doing that with clubs in AC or are you talking specifically for freelancers? If you are talking about the bars in AC please name them. I'm curious.[/QUOTE]Just tell the girl to tell the mamasan or you tell the mamasan directly that you will send the money with the girl tomorrow. It seems like many punters feel obligated to pay before just as others feel obligated to tip.
P.S.: Just had my first runner. She left 15 minutes back. She was the door girl for the night at Red Bar, a girl named Lynn. 2. 4 k BF + 300 LD + 330 dinner room service. It started well and playfully but I had a hard time keeping my hard on due to my not keeping well, and then she was too loose for me to feel any great sensation, although her puss and labia were fresh and not battered with loose folds of skin. I had told her I was checking out at 12 pm tomorrow so she guessed I wouldn't catch her tomorrow. I also refused to tip her waitress and when she insisted I left 10 p and that ticked her off so much she went in after Lynn to plot this perhaps. She said there was no mamasan. Maybe this should have been an advance warning not to pay upfront. Said she just remembered she had to send money to her kid via Cebuana or whatever and Sunday would be closed.
I am not too worked up to go back to the bar and demand a refund, as I wasnt really going to enjoy the repeat sex tomorrow in any case, besides it will be that vengeful waitress posing as a mamasan who is not going to help.
Peeman.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;1724106] so the family don't know they are working in a bar, so ask in advance and take them out earlier. Also they will ask what hotel you are in, mostly so they don't run into friends or family working there.![/QUOTE]Last time walking back into the ABC with my latest barfine I joked to her that she probably well known all of the doormen and staff. I assume that locals all know everyone.
Turns out the doorman was her brother-in-law.
Enjoy.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1724326]Just tell the girl to tell the mamasan or you tell the mamasan directly that you will send the money with the girl tomorrow...[/QUOTE]New modus operandi noted.
[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1724487]Last time walking back into the ABC with my latest barfine I joked to her that she probably well known all of the doormen and staff. I assume that locals all know everyone.
Turns out the doorman was her brother-in-law.
Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Once I picked up a chick from High Society and one of the bouncers was her cousin. She introduced me and had to tell him which hotel I was staying at and when we were there he called to make sure everything was okay. Had me thinking it was one of those setups people talk about. Creepy.