American Politics

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2971635]
Indian bashing? Really I didn't hear that.

I don't have anything against Indians, I might visit India this spring?

But I've never heard anyone say anything good about them.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orIFs72HGmM[/URL]

"I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. " This is a typical example, a quote none other than from Winston Churchill.[/QUOTE]What's that phrase Bernie Bros are so fond of? Cognitive dissonance? Maybe it doesn't apply here though as you probably don't feel any discomfort about bashing people you don't have anything against.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2971618]If death penalty opponents are so opposed to killing innocents why can't they show it actually does that, I've never EVER seen 1 single credible case.

[/QUOTE]As a regular viewer of Death Row Stories, all I can say is incredible. You're woefully ignorant on this subject.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971621]Isn't that enough cheating, rigging and stealing your unfair share of American governance? Now you want NC to steal the House Majority for your beloved Repubs without anyone mentioning or objecting to it too?[/QUOTE]For the third time, your party has received an average of 9 more House seats than it deserved in elections since 1946. To use your words (I'd be more diplomatic), the only way you can explain that is that Democrats have done a better job of "cheating, rigging and stealing (an) unfair share of American governance."

As to North Carolina,

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2965849]

So, Republicans are up to the same dirty tricks in North Carolina that Democrats (and Republicans) have been up to in other states for at least the last 78 years. Here are some stats for comparison.

North Carolina: Harris received 47.6% of the popular vote; House Democrats got 28.6% of the seats.

New York: Trump 44%; House Republicans 27%
Illinois: Trump 44%; House Republicans 18%
Oregon: Trump 41%; House Republicans 17%
New Mexico: Trump 46%; House Republicans 0%

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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971666]With all this talk about lying, cheating, stealing, election-rigging House Repubs never getting their fair share of House seats considering the utterly irrelevant total national vote count in a world of extreme Repub gerrymandering showed them with a minor utterly irrelevant edge, I suddenly remembered that, by golly, there has been Congressional legislation proposed and put up for a vote in the House and the Senate meant to make it so wonderfully fair the Repubs could count on riding that now utterly irrelevant national vote count edge to a permanent Repub Majority!

Therefore, that legislation banning partisan gerrymandering MUST have been proposed by Repubs, overwhelmingly supported and voted for by Repubs and rejected and blocked by Dems, right?

Uh. No.

[B]For the People Act/The Freedom to Vote Act[/B]

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act[/URL]

TO RECAP:

The legislation was introduced by a Democrat, in a Democratic Party House Majority, multiple times. It was originally introduced by the Dems as their FIRST official legislation after winning the Majority in the House. It was that important to them even AFTER just winning the Majority under the then current gerrymandering conditions!

It was voted on BY Democrats on a party-line or near party-line vote every time but, also every time, BLOCKED by Repubs in the Senate.

Now, that is a puzzlement, isn't it?

What in the world were the Repubs thinking?

Don't Congressional Repubs know they have almost always gotten more national votes than Dems in this world of extreme gerrymandering but not getting their "fair share" of House Seats?

Hmm. From the part-line voting pattern on that bill and the consistent effort to BLOCK it by their Repub brothers in the Senate, I might conclude any talk about poor put-upon lying, cheating, stealing election-rigging Repubs not getting their "fair share" of House Seats is just so much partisan Repub BS.

In fact, I have come to that conclusion.

Congressional Repubs don't even want to come CLOSE to banning their precious and necessary extreme gerrymandering. They already know they need that and any lying, cheating, stealing election-rigging they can pull like they did in NC this time around in order to squeak out a Pink Tinkle or less majority every now and then.[/QUOTE]Another deceptive post. Reading your link, provisions about Congressional gerrymandering were a small part of the proposed legislation. Republicans would have been crazy not to agree with that, provided the mechanism for selecting the independent members of the re-districting commissions was truly fair. That's because the crafty Democrats beat them like a drum at the re-districting game.

Otherwise the proposed bill was a partisan grab bag of provisions that would make elections less secure, and that Democratic Party politicians believed would help them at the polls. Well, they believed wrong. The legislation assumes Democrats are too lazy to go to the polls so if it's ridiculously easy to vote, that will favor Democrats. The 2021 Senate runoffs and 2022 elections have shown that theory to be wrong. Democrats are as motivated to vote as Republicans.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971629]Ah, that's better.

Now it is almost unanimous among the Presidents-UNelect and their Assistant, Trump; you MAGA Repubs who think Immigrants are taking YOUR jobs and were suckered into voting for the Assistant on the premise that either he or his bosses would do a damn thing about it are retarded, too dumb to be trained and simply unworthy of being hired for those good, well-paying AMERICAN jobs with a real future.

President-UNelect Bannon is the lone holdout on that conclusion. But his Chinese billionaire buddy who has been supporting him for several years will probably bring him around to that prevailing Musk / Ramaswamy Administration sentiment too fairly soon.

[B]Trump says H-1 B visa program is 'great' amid MAGA feud over tech workers.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/28/trump-says-h-1b-visa-program-is-great-amid-maga-feud-over-tech-workers.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE]Stephen Miller and the Marquesa will be proud of you.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971629]Ah, that's better.

Now it is almost unanimous among the Presidents-UNelect and their Assistant, Trump; you MAGA Repubs who think Immigrants are taking YOUR jobs and were suckered into voting for the Assistant on the premise that either he or his bosses would do a damn thing about it are retarded, too dumb to be trained and simply unworthy of being hired for those good, well-paying AMERICAN jobs with a real future.

President-UNelect Bannon is the lone holdout on that conclusion. But his Chinese billionaire buddy who has been supporting him for several years will probably bring him around to that prevailing Musk / Ramaswamy Administration sentiment too fairly soon.

[B]Trump says H-1 B visa program is 'great' amid MAGA feud over tech workers.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/28/trump-says-h-1b-visa-program-is-great-amid-maga-feud-over-tech-workers.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/dick-morris-h-1b-visas-immigration/2024/12/28/id/1193190/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971742]For the third time, your party has received an average of 9 more House seats than it deserved in elections since 1946. To use your words (I'd be more diplomatic), the only way you can explain that is that Democrats have done a better job of "cheating, rigging and stealing (an) unfair share of American governance.[/QUOTE]When the Repub Majority in the Senate was presented the bill from the House they could have put it up for discussion, debate and eliminated any parts of it that did not give Repubs the usual lying, cheating, stealing and election-rigging advantage they need in order to ever squeak out so much as a Pink Tinkle Majority in the House ever again and sent it back to the House for confirmation.

Presumably, according to you, that would have been leaving in only the ban on partisan gerrymandering.

Did they do that?

Nope.

Moscow Mitch, who knows everything there is to know about how Repubs EVER win Congressional seats at all much less Majorities through lying, cheating, stealing and election-rigging simply blocked the whole thing without discussion.

Stop trying to get away with deceiving about how and why there are ever Repub controls of any Branch of Government other than through their cheating or relying on structural election-rigging to do it. The facts will never support you on that contention no matter how much you lean on a mathematic premise pulled out of the air in a world of extreme Repub gerrymandering.

If the total number of votes across the country determined which Party was granted the House Majority then Dems would campaign like crazy to get out the vote in California and New York districts they're going to win anyway just to jack up their national vote count, wouldn't they?

As would Repubs in Florida and Texas, I suppose.

Which would mean absolutely nothing in THIS reality where all those extra votes for Dems in Blue State districts and extra votes for Repubs in Red State districts don't mean a damn thing but wasted campaign time and money except to an eccentric pretend "Bothsider / Neithersider" MAGA Repub on a *monger's website clutching at anything that will make his beloved Repubs look pretty.

So stop with the silliness.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/trump-harris-celebrity/2024/12/28/id/1193138/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971744]Stephen Miller and the Marquesa will be proud of you.[/QUOTE]What would a MAGA Leader who up until this moment has been conning sucker MAGA voters into believing Immigrants are allowed in "to take YOUR jobs", who is slavishly devoted to the man those suckers voted for because he claimed "107% of all the new jobs Biden created (many in tech, BTW) were given to illegal aliens" and one of the proudest suckers of all time who fell for and swallowed their con hook, line and sinker have to be proud of me for?

For being one of millions now pointing out the con and humiliating victimization of it?

Well, I appreciate the recognition then.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/29/us/jimmy-carter[/URL]

He was a nice guy, that's way more than can be said about most around here.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971331]I have been so preoccupied with enjoying the Winter Wonderland Christmas festivities here in the Land of Smiles, the delicious buffets, live entertainment, fireworks, good times and fun I had completely missed the opening shots of the Civil War between the MAGAs and the Con Artists who suckered them into voting for Trump.

It seems the short hand version of this so far is that Ramaswamy, Musk, Boomer, Bannon, everybody who is important and calling the shots in the upcoming Trump's Pandemic and Economic Disaster Part 2 are locked, loaded and taking aim at the MAGAs Trump suckered and each other, admitting the Big Con was that dumb, lazy MAGAs, unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs, that the Bull Shit Department of Government Efficiency was set up by Con Man Trump only to make MAGA suckers think they are saving money for them when in fact it is meant to take money from them and make him and his billionaire buddies wealthier. Lololol. Fun stuff.

So I did a search on the topic to catch up a bit more and discovered this very interesting overview of what is going on by Steve Schmidt, a former Repub Party campaign strategist and advisor who knows the Big Repub Con very, very well.

An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:

[URL]https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mC[/URL][/QUOTE]He's probably one of this worthless pro low slave wages and extremely low to no taxes Libertarians.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/opinion/elon-musk-china-classified-secrets-national-security-russia-doge.html[/URL]

Mainstream Media will probably justifiably praise Carter's foreign policy accomplishments.

But I suspect they will continue to be so lazy as to simply parrot the false Repub spin that his economic policies failed.

Aside from his demand that the Congressional Budget require companies and corporations to offer the same terrific 401 K deferred tax retirement investment deal to their rank and file employees as to their Executive class, a truly life-altering positive advance for the American Working Men and Women, his Fed Chairman Appointee's reversal of the inflation he inherited into a steady decline and so on, Carter's average annual job gains results blows away that of every president since 1925 except FDR, LBJ and, waiting until the final results are in, probably Biden.

Damn good results considering he also inherited Nixon / Ford's Arab Oil Embargo energy crisis.

[B]Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms[/B]

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971756]
Stop trying to get away with deceiving about how and why there are ever Repub controls of any Branch of Government other than through their cheating or relying on structural election-rigging to do it. The facts will never support you on that contention no matter how much you lean on a mathematic premise pulled out of the air in a world of extreme Repub gerrymandering.[/QUOTE]LOL. LOL. LOL. Sorry for the repetition. Struggling to get to the 10 character minimum.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2971680][B]Your opinion of wasteful depends upon who is spending the money and on what!

Are you down with spending 86 million USD for mass deportations[/B]?[/QUOTE]I agree with your title Subcommander. Please take a look at the Marquesa's original post for context:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2971384#post2971384[/URL].

I wish I could read all of his link to know more, but it appears that the federal government doesn't even know how a big chunk of that money was spent! Or at least they're not telling.

As to your question, you mean $86 [B]billion[/B] for mass deportations? How many people would they deport for the $86 billion? And what are they doing now? For example, are the majority narcos and thieves, or people doing jobs like meat packing that citizens don't want to do? Regardless, whether illegal immigrants are deported or converted to guest workers, they should be in compliance with the law.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2971785]I agree with your title Subcommander. Please take a look at the Marquesa's original post for context:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2971384#post2971384[/URL].

I wish I could read all of his link to know more, but it appears that the federal government doesn't even know how a big chunk of that money was spent! Or at least they're not telling.

As to your question, you mean $86 [B]billion[/B] for mass deportations? How many people would they deport for the $86 billion? And what are they doing now? For example, are the majority narcos and thieves, or people doing jobs like meat packing that citizens don't want to do? Regardless, whether illegal immigrants are deported or converted to guest workers, they should be in compliance with the law.[/QUOTE]"people doing jobs like meat packing that citizens don't want to do".

There are ZERO jobs Americans don't want to do, but there are plenty than many people rather not do for Slave wages under Slave like conditions!!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971774]Mainstream Media will probably justifiably praise Carter's foreign policy accomplishments.

But I suspect they will continue to be so lazy as to simply parrot the false Repub spin that his economic policies failed.

Aside from his demand that the Congressional Budget require companies and corporations to offer the same terrific 401 K deferred tax retirement investment deal to their rank and file employees as to their Executive class, a truly life-altering positive advance for the American Working Men and Women, his Fed Chairman Appointee's reversal of the inflation he inherited into a steady decline and so on, Carter's average annual job gains results blows away that of every president since 1925 except FDR, LBJ and, waiting until the final results are in, probably Biden.

Damn good results considering he also inherited Nixon / Ford's Arab Oil Embargo energy crisis.

[B]Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms[/B]

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms[/URL][/QUOTE]Carter was a good man. If there's a heaven, he's there.

When he left office, inflation was 12.5%. The unemployment rate was 7. 5%. A recession started 6 months after he left, due largely to tight monetary policy engineered by Paul Volcker. Unemployment peaked at 10.8% during said recession.

Carter deserves lots of credit for replacing his first appointee as Fed Chairman, William Miller, with Volcker. Miller's policies were largely responsible for a huge decline in the value of the dollar and out of control inflation. Carter may have realized that replacing Miller with an inflation hawk (Volcker) was the death knell for his re-election chances. But he did it anyway. Kudos to Carter. And kudos to Reagan for keeping Volcker at the helm. Their decisions to support Vocker were exactly the opposite of what a president should do to meet the Tooms stamp of approval (encourage high GDP and employment growth at all costs). But they were what was right for the United States of America. Yes, we went through a couple of recessions, or one long one in the view of some. But the Fed brought inflation under control, and we didn't go the way of Argentina or Brazil.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2971725]After I dried my eyes from weeping over the poor House Repubs being either too stupid to support or not block the Dems' repeated attempts to ban partisan gerrymandering and thereby allow their utterly irrelevant minor edge in total national House votes provide them with their "fair share" of House Seats or too addicted to the extreme gerrymandering and election-rigging they employ and risk losing the House Majority far into the future, I decided to do a little research to see just how unfairly poor put-upon Repub Senators and their constituents are treated by the current misapportionment rigged in Repubs' favor:

[B]The 20232024 U.S. Senate Is Exceedingly Unrepresentative in Multiple Ways[/B]

[URL]https://mettlinger.medium.com/the-2023-senate-will-be-exceedingly-unrepresentative-72d39f83847a[/URL]

[B]Democratic senators represent 43 million more people than their Republican counterparts.[/B]

[URL]https://www.vox.com/2021/12/20/22846504/senate-joe-manchin-build-back-better-democrats-republicans-43-million[/URL]

Well.

Needless to say but I suspect I better say it anyway just to clear up any confusion; I will not be weeping for mythical poor put-upon and unfairly underseated Senate Repubs and even more mythical underrepresented Repub State constituents any more that I or anyone else should have ever shed a single tear for poor put-upon mythical underseated House Repubs and their even more mythical underrepresented Repub constituents.

And don't anybody even think about expecting me to shed a tear for the poor put-upon Repub MAGA 6 Majority in the Supreme Court, virtually all of whom were placed there by Repub so-called potuses who didn't win more votes than their Dem opponent or who were shoe-horned into it via outrageous Repub Senate lying, cheating, stealing and rigging.

NEXT UP:

Now that I have regained my composure after all the weeping and tears shed over poor put-upon House, Senate and SCOTUS Members not getting their "fair share" of seats and voice in this overwhelmingly rigged-in-favor-of-Repubs representative democracy, perhaps I will do a little research and keep an eye out for when and which Party boldly and fairly promotes and supports vs which Party opposes abolishing the demonstrably undemocratic Electoral College system even when the supporting Party lost the popular vote to its opposition by a pussy hair in order to make sure every vote counts the same as every other vote regardless where you live.

Oh look! Here it is already:

[B]Senate Democrats push plan to abolish Electoral College.
12/16/2024[/B]

[URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5043206-senate-democrats-abolish-electoral-college/[/URL][/QUOTE]The founders saw fit to allocate Senate seats by state. If you and other Democrats don't like it you can try to pass a constitutional amendment.

Any advantage Republicans have in the electoral college is small and transient. Statisticians say that if the popular vote margin is 1% or less, the candidate that loses the popular vote has a 40% probability of winning the electoral vote. That's what happened in 2000. And contrary to your assertions, Bush didn't cheat his way to victory. Using the Florida Counties' vote-counting methodology, he would have won without the Supreme Court decision according to the definitive post mortem conducted by media organizations. As to 2016, it was a combination of a fluke, a black swan event, and Trump busting his ass during the last part of the campaign in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

Good luck with the plan to abolish the electoral college, haha.

On the other hand, there are no structural reasons why Democrats get more seats in the House than they deserve. They're just better at cheating.