There are an awful lot of guys who are stuck in Thailand because they didn't stick with safe sex. To each his own of course.
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There are an awful lot of guys who are stuck in Thailand because they didn't stick with safe sex. To each his own of course.
[quote=dash riprock;1257344]there are an awful lot of guys who are stuck in thailand because they didn't stick with safe sex. to each his own of course.[/quote]i don't see the connection between the two. did unsafe sex kill them & lead to a burial in siam? did it cost them so much they couldn't afford a return ticket home? did the unsafe sex police catch them in the act & escort offenders to the "bkk hilton"? did they try it, like it, become addicted to it, & decide they were not going home? i'm confused.
"porn industry could pull out of la if condoms required"
"it has been battered in recent years, however, by the recession and the increased popularity of free internet porn, and kernes and others say requiring condoms would further erode business.
"they say consumers, particularly those overseas, have made it clear they won't watch films when the actors use condoms, complaining that it is distracting and ruins the fantasy.
"condoms aren't needed, filmmakers say, because the industry already polices itself. production companies require that actors be tested for sexually transmitted diseases a minimum of every 30 days when they are working.
"industry officials say no cases of hiv have been directly linked to porn films since 2004, adding they fear if the industry rep001ters to areas outside of los angeles that testing could fall by the wayside, exposing performers to more risk.
" "if someone is going to catch an std it's usually out of the business because we are tested so often," said veteran porn actress and producer tabitha stevens.
"in her 17 years in the business, stevens said, she has worked both with and without condoms. although she prefers to use condoms, acknowledging they do increase safety, she said the choice should be left up to the performers and not mandated by a government agency.
" "if you want to wear them, wear them. if you don't, don't. that's up to the talent to decide. it shouldn't be up to the government to decide," she said.
[url]http://www.ctv.ca/ctvnews/entertainment/20120118/pornographers-threaten-to-leave-los-angeles-over-condom-requirement-120118/[/url]
"aim healthcare foundation has stated that the rate of stds in adult film actors in production companies that follow the aim testing protocols is 2. 4% which they state is "considerably lower than the average for sexually active young people with similar demographics."[7]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/aids_in_the_pornographic_film_industry[/url]
[QUOTE=Bumholes1;1257335]Either your TGF is a prostitute or she is not. Can't have it both ways![/QUOTE]Whats your problem mate?
He stated it very honestly that she was only a part time pro probably with another ordinary job or temporarily unemployed. There are no unemployment handouts from the governement. This is real common in Thailand that girls are struggling to make ends meet, go to a pickup place, find some guy they would like to have fun with, refusing any guy they don't like, often not even negotiating a price, and then accept a tip afterwards to help pay the rent. In western society there also exist girls who supposedly fuck for free, but choose only guys with big money they will spend big on them, e. G. A new iphone.
What about girls who accept the guy paying for expensive dinner etc. And provide a fuck in return? They must be hookers too.
Thailand is a place where the line between non-pro and pro can be blurred by many part-timers. Any horny girl could accept money after sex if she is really in deep financial problems. There are other girls who just don't consider it for religious or social-stigma reasons, but are still desperate for money. Sex provision is a way for girls to make money and we all like it. Otherwise these young stunners would never want to go with us.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1257603].Thailand is a place where the line between non-pro and pro can be blurred by many part-timers. Any horny girl could accept money after sex if she is really in deep financial problems. There are other girls who just don't consider it for religious or social-stigma reasons, but are still desperate for money. Sex provision is a way for girls to make money and we all like it. Otherwise these young stunners would never want to go with us.[/QUOTE]How true! Not to forget the useless younger brothers back in Isan (there always are some) , who need money for motorbike, whiskey or even a lao girl (300 Baht) Poor Big sister has to take care of them all!
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1257338]But if you like using condoms, they provide limited protection against STDs, including reducing the risk for HIV by about 85, which is nowhere near 100% protection.[/QUOTE]okay from niaid.nih.gov:
"There is demonstrated exposure to HIV / AIDS through sexual intercourse with a regular partner (with an absence of other HIV / AIDS risk factors). Longitudinal studies of HIV- sexual partners of HIV+ infected cases allow for the estimation of HIV / AIDS incidence among condom users and condom non-users. From the two incidence estimates, consistent condom use decreased the risk of HIV / AIDS transmission by approximately 85."
Does consistent use mean 100% with same long term partner? Probably the figures are including anal sex between males which is quite risky for the receiver, and bound to have a condom malfunction sooner or later. I believe the safety percentage of condom for normal sex with a girl would be likely to be better. I would like to see a better breakdown of the figures between females, males, and the practices they engage in. Another factor is that people interviewed are not always 100% truthful. It is well known that people in a study see themselves in a better light than what they actually are. This famously caused researchers like Kinsey and Masters & Johnson to publish a lot of exaggerated bullshit.
A non-defective condom is impervious to HIV virus so it all boils down to probability of breakage, slipping off or leakage from partial slip, or getting a defective condom, or other non-analysed risks. Risk of condom slippage / breakage is quoted to be 1. 6 to 3. 6.
Your other 7 precautions are all very good but not always practical with a girl you don't know very well. If a Pro is willing to go bareback with you, then she is willing with others too. But why do you care since you claim condoms weren't that effective anyway.
Both getting a proper test at the clinic is good, since although it does not prove anything, it certainly reduces the risk percentage a lot, as HIV is detectable after just weeks these days.
A man already has a very low risk of catching HIV from a woman, and condom probably reduces this by a further 95% for a single about of sex, or even more if condom doesn't slip off or break, or get damaged. Defective condoms are a very low percentage (less than 1%). If you have many sessions with the same partner the risk increases obviously as sooner or later you will get a condom malfunction event.
For women, the risks are far greater than for a man (as high as 50% if man is HIV+) without a condom, but still reduced by a very large percentage if condom doesn't break or slip off. It seems that lack of education makes girls risk it, hoping for good luck in which guys they fuck.
Risks for oral sex are far lower. I was discussing HIV only here. Clearly other STDs are far easier to catch than HIV. My mate caught Gonor (sorry can't spell it) very rapidly from his recent trip to Thailand with BBFS. Chlamydia is also real easy to catch (I know from experience despite condom use) and can be transferred on even on fingers. I agree that condoms give limited protection for STDs overall.
I only go bareback with GF (who is trustworthy and always used to insist on condoms) , since I can't afford to catch STDs easily. Mongering for a few days after departing from GF is also a good strategy, as if should catch something despite precautions, can get plenty of time to treat it before resuming with GF.
With condom usage and choosing suitable girls (those that insist on condoms and not druggies) , I don't feel any threat of HIV. I could be struck by lightning. I repeat a lot with more careful girls.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1257338]So it is possible to be safer having BBFS than others using a condom.[/QUOTE]It's amazing what people will tell themselves to justify whatever it is they want to keep doing.
[QUOTE=Chill Out;1257627]It's amazing what people will tell themselves to justify whatever it is they want to keep doing.[/QUOTE]I don't know what you blokes expect, you take a risk. I have been enjoying Thailand, Hong Kong and Singapore and a few trips to Kuala Lumpur over the last 15 years. 200 trips in all, all of it bareback, caught one dose of the clap and once a suspected NSU. I stay religeously away from back doors, but did indulge once covered and it simply did not grab me. So I guess I was lucky. 35 years ago I lived in Hong Kong, the local lads used to go for a weekend to Bangkok and see who could catch the clap first, the usual idea was to take two girls, the girls knew who was clean and who wasn't, and after many trips nobody caught anything. Of course, there was not the HIV scare about then, but why would thai women be that much more at risk now than they were then. You know, of all the people I know, I do not know anyone who has caught HIV from a girl, and they tell me they do not know anyone who has caught HIV from a girl, and I would guess this would continue down the daisy chain a long way. If you are a normal up-the-snatch fucker you will have little to worry about, but start stuffing around with drugs and anal sex and you will get caught IMHO,
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1257529]I don't see the connection between the two. Did unsafe sex kill them & lead to a burial in Siam? Did it cost them so much they couldn't afford a return ticket home? Did the unsafe sex police catch them in the act & escort offenders to the "BKK Hilton"? Did they try it, like it, become addicted to it, & decide they were not going home? I'm confused.[/QUOTE]Pretty simple, they are here with kids with partners they probably didn't intend to spend the rest of their lives with; and they are still here years and decades later despite just planning to be here on vacation. And a lot of times, it doesn't even get that far. Not uncommon to see local women with children from multiple fathers, both local and foreign. These guys you hear about taking balcony dives aren't just distraught over the lack of world peace. These guys have burned bridges and kids that are growing and will only require more and more financial resources that all too often, they have no way of providing. Will focus on the foreign aspect as that's probably more relevant to this forum. Sure, it happens all over the world, but the problem with it happening here is there's a significant immigration and labor 'pressure' from a legal standpoint against foreigners so you end up with a lot of guys treading water, with kids, and partners that likely have a 4th or 5th grade education.
The local 'hook' that most prostitutes use is bareback sex after a whirlwind 2-3 days of 'getting to know each other. ' Non pros too (simply add on a week to a month in the time frame). Because 'you're special' 'we're in love now' 'it's just us now, we're a couple. ' etc. Etc. And well, after that it's only a matter of how healthy both of their reproductive systems are. Been through the cycle myself dozens of times, I'm just thankful for the blind luck.
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1257689]I don't know what you blokes expect, you take a risk. I have been enjoying Thailand, Hong Kong and Singapore and a few trips to Kuala Lumpur over the last 15 years. 200 trips in all, all of it bareback, caught one dose of the clap and once a suspected NSU. So I guess I was lucky.[/QUOTE]Yes you seem incredibly lucky. My buddy arrives in Thailand. Less than 1 week later he has the clap already. Had to get 2 girls treated as well as he did not know which of the two he got it from. Only two girls barebacked and he has a dose already. He then abstained from all sex for several days (what a waste). I say be extra careful with bar girls that are doing this all the time.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1257721]Yes you seem incredibly lucky. My buddy arrives in Thailand. Less than 1 week later he has the clap already. Had to get 2 girls treated as well as he did not know which of the two he got it from. Only two girls barebacked and he has a dose already. He then abstained from all sex for several days (what a waste). I say be extra careful with bar girls that are doing this all the time.[/QUOTE]Be careful with BG that are doing this all the time? That is about 90%+ of the BG's. Most will tell you "I only do with you".
Sorry if I stirred up things here. I was extremely pleased that I did not get hiv but also that no clap or other std. Its back to covered stuff for me from now on. Of course BBBJ is very hard to resist so I don't know about that but FS will be covered.
I must say I was very surprised when I took a girl from Soi 6 in Dec because she was so careful about condoms etc. It really was good as I had read that the girls down there are kinda naughty. Hoping to see her again someday.
[QUOTE=Hatguy; 1257849]Sorry if I stirred up things here. I was extremely pleased that I did not get hiv but also that no clap or other std. Its back to covered stuff for me from now on. Of course BBBJ is very hard to resist so I don't know about that but FS will be covered.
I must say I was very surprised when I took a girl from Soi 6 in Dec because she was so careful about condoms etc. It really was good as I had read that the girls down there are kinda naughty. Hoping to see her again someday.[/QUOTE]At least you were honest. Dudes will not admit it. They don't want to be judged by others. I don't really understand it since this is an anonymous site where we talk about paying girls to fuck. They probably will tell you they don't watch porn, don't drink and drive, don't screw around on their wife,don't cheat on taxes, don't jack off, etc.
Easily, more than half of guys go BB in Pattaya. My guess is 75 to 80% of the guys do. That is why they travel thousands of miles. Bareback is easy and cheap. There is really nothing better than shooting a wad of cum into a warm, wet, tight Thai pussy. Yum.
And on the BBBJ. I would kick the girl out of the room if she did not BBBJ or kiss. Those are a minimum in my book.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1257855]At least you were honest. Dudes will not admit it.[/QUOTE]Despite being anonymous, dudes certainly have fantasies and write bullshit at times, trying to be something they are not. So no-one should believe everything they read in a forum."Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see" is valuable advice.
Everybody seems to be enjoying Bareback too much, but guys what about your safety. If you bareback in Thai, You're sure to DIE!
[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1257961]Everybody seems to be enjoying Bareback too much, but guys what about your safety. If you bareback in Thai, You're sure to DIE![/QUOTE]I never go bareback and try to limit my exposure to any bad germs, but telling that "you're sure to die" if you go bareback is wrong and will not help anyone. If what you say is true then the streets of Pattaya should be littered with dead and dying farang.
It will be next to impossible to get any meaningful statistics, but I guess that far less men go BB than we imagine.