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[quote=beijingrichard]
at this point i was so angry that i could barely speak, but i had to laugh when they asked that i reimburse them 50k for the room.
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wow. what we have here, ladies and gentlemen, is a new definition for chutzpah! :)
glad you made it out relatively unrep001hed.
pp
[QUOTE=Krum Lov]Seamanship,
In another post, a member said this about the BJ shop on vung tau:
Next day I decided to check out 568 Le Loi, the 100k BJ place. The numbers on Le Loi stop at 466 after that there's nothing but wharf & sea. I checked all the Hem's around there couldn't find it.
So is that the correct address? Another member suggested you may have meant Le Lai street? Can you confirm?
Thanks,
Krum[/QUOTE]Krum:
It's possible I copied down the wrong address. Look for the "Maybe Here" on the attached map. It's pretty close to a major intersection with a stoplight, if not the Nguyen An Ninh intersection then its in the same place right before the Pham Hong Thai intersection. It's on the right-hand side of the street (northeast side) as you leave front beach. There is a small gas station right after the little shops. Hope you can find.
[QUOTE=Seamanship]Krum:
It's possible I copied down the wrong address. Look for the "Maybe Here" on the attached map. It's pretty close to a major intersection with a stoplight, if not the Nguyen An Ninh intersection then its in the same place right before the Pham Hong Thai intersection. It's on the right-hand side of the street (northeast side) as you leave front beach. There is a small gas station right after the little shops. Hope you can find.[/QUOTE]
When I saw your first report I assumed that you meant the other end of Le Loi near the city centre. Others evidently did the same.
Thanks for clearing this up.
After looking at Sea's map I would guess it would be 368.
[QUOTE=Ippehsoj]
Hope this helps those looking for some fun right now in HCMC.
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What are closing times these days at places like let's say Apocalypse ? Any other popular late night spot that one can recommend ?
[QUOTE=RogerSeymore]Dump, one pool table but a very cozy group of girls to hang with. Lan will be behind the bar, fending off johny hopefuls. Or letting somewone win. With charm it can be got for $100 by medium to youngish guys in ok chape. Fats need not apply. She won't make you feel good as she rejects you. But plenty more fish will be available. Don't trust anything she tells you. She's a grifter.
Come out of the Sheraton on at front entrance on Dong Du. Turn left and walk up to Hai Bai Trung, cross over and walk up to the next street, Thi Sach, left Thi Sach up to Cao Ba Quat, right up to Thau Van Lung, left up to Le Thanh Ton, cross and walk on up to Ly Tu Trong. Chie Thuy is on th right 40 meters from the corner of Ly Tu Trong.
][/QUOTE]I an not sure if this is the exact place I stopped in at yesterday. It is in the same place as noted above, and there were two places on the right that had a pool table. One you can see the table when the front door is open, the one I stopped in had the table slightly to the left.
Stopped in about 5:30 with my friend (Chinese guy). And just wanted to shoot some pool. Immediately found what I rank as a 9 that set up the table for us. The boss man asked us if we wanted to play alone or with some girls, and we aid alone. About a dozen girls sitting on couches putting their make-up on. The girl I had my eye one already was ready.
We played several games, and had several beers. And the girls would set up the table for us. Not pushy at all. I finally started to talk with the girl, and decided to play a game with her. She was not bad. Bought her a drink, (50, 000) and she became much more friendly. My friend picked a girl for himself, and they played a game of pool. Soon sitting down together. And talked about leaving. She did not know the Renaissance, and if she could come back. But I told her it is early (now almost 7pm). She asked me for the card and the boss man looked at it, conferred with another guy there, and told her it is ok. Asked for the bill, and they said minimum number of lady drinks to take them out (I think 7? ) but the total for the two girls, our beers (I think 4 each) their drinks was 800, 000. Deal. My friend paid. My girl told me $60 for her). Gave him a reciept for food and drink. Then came by with condoms. I said, not needed, but my friend needed. 15, 000 and they gave him a reciept!
No problem back into the hotel. And a nice time. The girl has a great body. And was not using a padded bra. Showered together. Couple of nice rounds. And she asked to leave about 10pm. Said "maybe problem with the hotel is she stays". But ok if I wanted her to. I was spent. So let her go. Arranged for her to come by today (she said she will come over on her motor scooter), and we will spend a few hours this afternoon before she goes to work.
I was in Hanoi before, and did not find any places like this. Also the girls are not pushy like most Thai girls, but will warm up once you make the first move.
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T&I Day 1
Got to HCMC on Saturday afternoon and checked into the Elios. It’s been remodeled, very clean, similar facilities to a mini-hotel (I find out later) but a bit more upscale. Definitely not GF, with a large sign at the elevator stating so, in polite terms. It seems to be populated mostly by French tourists, so you’d think they’d not care! :)
Took a cyclo tour of Dist. 1. I thought I was getting fleeced, at 450K for 2+ hours, including a lot of begging for more money. Turns out it was worse that I though, by about a factor of 10, according to my LP guidebook. But, I’d always meant to do it, I never could seem to find the time in Yangon, and it was worth it. It really helps if you have a death wish, or really enjoy the prospects of becoming one with a tour bus.
One immediate impression is that I’ve never seen such a bunch of hustlers. Everybody who deals with tourists seems to be out to make a killing. Now, I’ve traveled a lot all over SEA and Mexico, so I’m used to that, to a point. What was really grating is that nobody wants to stick to a deal. You settle on a price for something, then, at the end, it’s pissing and moaning for more. The street urchins selling postcards make the ones in Yangon look like amateurs. It is what it is, nothing you’re gonna do about it, but it makes everybody look like a bunch of money hungry sharks. I’d think they’re not all that way, but I wonder. I’ve spoken to enough people with VN girlfriends to wonder if it’s not a national trait.
Towards evening I took a stroll and had a moto drop me at the Sheraton. Quotes 20K. F*cker says he has change for a 100K note, then doesn’t have it when we arrive. Ugh! Paid him 10K + $1. (I realize now that that's about double what it ought to cost.) I decided to stroll up HBT and see how far I could get. Maybe business is a bit slow, I don’t know. I walked past the door of 49 and was mobbed by like 300 girls. Or at least it seemed that way. I let them drag me in, and suddenly I was propelled, with a hand in the small of my back, all the way to the back of the establishment, into the room w/AC and nobody else around.
Her name was Han. I suppose they must use a system like a car dealership, where they rotate “ups.” Otherwise, I can’t see how one particular girl grabs the customer and nobody else fights about it. She rates about a 6. Tiny, nice cleavage, average face. Beers are $1, LDs are $3. Girl doesn’t get a commission on the LDs, but gets to keep anything she earns from extras. The schtick is to play pool. If they lose, they strip. They win, you pay. I got the feeling that the whole place was run by the female VN equivalents of Minnesota Fats. She sat on my lap, asked for a drink, then starts playing, ever so slightly, with Phord jr. She suggests a BJ here in the room, as there are no customers. It would be luck for her, business is slow, 10:30 and no customer, etc., etc., etc., etc. I keep resisting. I finish my beer, during which I buy another LD. I pay the tab and tip Ms. Han 100K (experts can tell me if that was sufficient or not). Of course she starts to pout and whine that she needs more. I’d already had a belly full of that sh*t with the cyclo driver, and wasn’t buying. So, out the door.
Walked past 51, almost got mobbed but made a clean getaway. Tried to get some soup at Pho 24 but was told they were closed. I guess the 24 didn’t mean hours! :)
Got mobbed again at 91. Went in, sat at the bar and got nabbed by Ms. Lieu. Wow. Jackpot. I’d have to rate her a solid 9. Beautiful face, I swear I’d seen it on a VN billboard at home somewhere. Very tiny, like 70+ pounds, perky A cups, tiny waist, what’s not to like?
Same deal as before, but in Dong. LDs are 50K. Strip pool upstairs. She’s very sweet and has a great attitude and speaks good English. She admitted to working in the bar for quite a while (a refreshing change!). Of course, at 21, you couldn’t have worked too many years. Said that she didn’t get many Americans (I’m #2), that they didn’t seem to like her, but that the Japanese and Koreans tended to prefer her. Oh, and no kids. Another plus.
She said that the barfine was 8 drinks. She offered ST for $60, room $20. I bought her another LD and considered. She’s very attractive and very nice. She’s not pushy at all and seems to be good company. Another plus was that she sipped her drinks, not guzzled them like the previous lady. But, with a total nut north of $130 I think it’s a bit steep and tell her I don’t have enough money. So, she says I can pay $100 and that it would cover all the LDs, including the 2 she had already consumed, my beer (big deal), the taxi, the room and her fee. Suddenly that didn’t seem like a bad deal. So, why not?
She changed into “street” clothes, I finish my beer and we’re off. Suddenly it’s a really bad spy movie. We walk out of the bar, a guy surreptitiously opens the back door of a mini-van taxi and we quickly hop in. Then it’s off through a maze of streets. We finally pull up in front of a Chinese mini-hotel. It’s dark, but open. Somebody opens the door and we hurry inside. Upstairs is the room, very large, large bed. All-in-one bathroom/shower. Really rather nice for a ST hotel. The staff is very polite and smile a lot.
Once in the room, we settle down. We undress a bit and chat for a while. I like to get to know the girls a bit. Nice conversation, no rush. Then she takes me into the shower and proceeds to give me a good, much needed, scrubbing. Nice. Then, down to business. What a killer body. Very fair skin, nice ass for a small Asian. Very good BBBJ, seemed to really enjoy the DATY, CG and Mish, all good. Such a very tight box! 2 beers and a condom? No problem!
After we finish, she takes me back into the shower and cleans me up. Nice touch. We dress and then go back downstairs. Entire thing was a little over an hour. Paid her a C-note after dressing, no complaints, no arguments, no bitching. She tells me to go get into the taxi and she would follow in a minute. So, I walk outside, the doorman opens up the back door and I sit. They leave the door open and the dome light on, so I’m not sure who’s gonna be fooled by this, but, hey. She comes out in about 30 seconds and hops in the cab. We take off, I give her my hotel address. It’s like 4 block away, so we’re there in a couple of minutes. She hops out and says goodbye. She’s going back to the bar to settle up with the boss, then home. I guess the bars close fairly early? 12 or 1?
The whole taxi thing reminded me of Myanmar a few years back, when they’d hustle you out the back door of the bar, into a waiting taxi. The girls didn’t want to be seen on the street at night, didn’t want to be seen with a foreigner, etc. Actually, rather fun. Another side note, nobody had their hand out for extra tips. Nice.
So, maybe the old hands here can tell me if this was a good deal, or not. It was certainly fun. Total damage was $100. This is a bit more than Thailand, but compares favorably to, say, TJ or Costa Rica. Maybe I’ll go see her again tonight. I think she was that good. Maybe she’ll let me get a pic or two. If so, I’ll post.
PP
Good Day PP,
I enjoyed reading about your adventures in HCMC-very interesting. It would appear that you had a good time and you were happy. I look forward to reading more of your reports.
Good luck, mate.
Nice report from Phordphan.
For about the last year or so the bars on HBT have been pushing this idea of a bar fine being so many LD - before that it did not exist.
It used to be that VND1mil would cover bar and the girl yet it now seems hard to get them under VND1.2 mil. And of course the ST hotel is an expense on top of that.
I prefer to stay in the small hotels (which are quite comfortable) and then the ST thing is not necessary. Too many stories of problems with the hotels the gals take you to.
So if you take of the $20 for the hotel you did not do too bad!
Thanks for all the comments and constructive criticism, guys.
Yeah, now that I'm here, I undertand the mini-hotel concept. Next time I wuuld definitely book a day in a regular hotel, then poke around and find a nice mini-hotel. They really are fairly decent, and not exactly what I was expecting.
I'm gonna try to recuperate a bit and do more research. It's tough, but I guess I gotta take one for the team! :) Not too late, though, as I gotta get up early and go to Cu Chi (what a great name).
Later
PP
PS - If anybody's around later in the week, PM me if you want a free beer! I'm in SGN til Tueday, then Nha Trang for a couple of days, winding up back in SGN for the last 2 days.
[QUOTE=Mark17]I an not sure if this is the exact place I stopped in at yesterday. It is in the same place as noted above, and there were two places on the right that had a pool table. One you can see the table when the front door is open, the one I stopped in had the table slightly to the left.
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Chieu Thuy is the one on the corner of Thai Van Lung and Ly Tu Truong --not 40m from Ly Tu Truong as Roger mentioned, but actually ON the corner of that street but with the door on Thai Van Lung. It is the one that has the pool table just to the left, not the bar where the pool table is right in the center when you look in the door.
There is another bar halfway up Thai Van Lung between Ly Tu Truong and Le Thanh Ton. I forget the name of this other one.
Follow up to my last report.
I had got the girl's number that I met and took out from the pool bar. And agreed to meet the next afternoon and she would give me a city tour on her motorscooter. I called her about noon, and she agreed to come to my hotel at 2pm. Was out eating and she called me about 1:45 and said she was there.
I got back to the Renaissance and she was in the lobby, dressed very nicely.
I said, I needed to go to the room first, and she said ok, and then proceeded to the front desk and dropped her ID. I told her that it was not necessary during the day, but she said, she did not want trouble.
Got back into the room, and she almost attacked me, and soon our clothes were off and we resumed where we were the night before. Two rounds and some relaxing time, and it was 4pm. Showered (another BJ in the shower), then out for a short tour on her scooter. Stopped and bought her lunch near the bar she works, as she needed to be at work by 5pm. Gave her 800, 000 and a sad face, so gave her 100, 000 more. Maybe much, to me it was worth it. She really enjoys sex, and for me that is much better than a limp girl just going through the motions.
Stopped into the pool bars around the corner from the Sheraton. Cannot remember the names, I think 51 first. A table upstairs on down. Very aggressive girls there. The tables were busy, and did not want to sit and buy drinks for the girls. Not too many lookers there.
Went next door, the one closer to the corner, two tables on the ground floor, one in the back through a doorway. And there were no customers and about 2 dozen girls. Some nice ones there. Shot a game of pool with my friend. The table was one of the worse. Cue ball rolls to the edge all the time. I guess they do not want an easy winner when you play the girls. Not approached by any girls while we were there. And they did not even set the table up for us.
Down the street some to another pool bar, two tables upstairs. Two girls with huge tits followed us up, and my friend was keen on one, so we let them play with us. And bought a couple drinks for them. I was not interested in any more action, my afternoon session was enough for the day. My friend, not knowing the ropes was keen to take the girl out, but I explained to him, he had to go to her hotel, and ours would not allow her into his room. He did not understand, but the manager there explained the same thing. He was not key to going to a small hotel, so we split. It was a little after midnight, and they were closing the place.
All kind of motorcycle guys approached us as we walked back to our hotel, wanting to take us to "lady bars".
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So Mark17 had a nice second round with a gal from HBT Bar 91. Might even call it a GFE.
Just goes to show that they are not all hustlers and nice friendly girls can be found in the HBT bars as well.
Mark - try the NY Saigon bar on Dong Du just near to the HBT corner. Buy the mama a drink or two and tell her what you would like. Tell her that you understand the deal is VND 1 mil.
Well, due to my Bangkok babe draining poor Phord Jr. dry 3 times in 2 days, and the tender ministrations of Ms. Lieu last night, the ol’ 460’s been reduced to a 289 only hitting on 6 cylinders. I figured I’d just do some bar research for the record and get to bed a bit early for the trip to Cu Chi the following day.
Off on a tangent for a minute. During a moto trip the guy kept wanting to take me to a go-go bar (that's what it sounded like). I asked if there were actually gogo bars in VN. He insisted the ladies danced naked and that you could do everything. I was skeptical, but I'm curious if any of the old hands know what he was talking about.
I wandered through Apocalypse Now about 7 and it wasn’t open. The man said 9:00. OK. Trundled off to NY Saigon. Met at the door my Ms. Thuy. Probably rates a 6.5 on the PP scale. Nice body, fair sized naturals, above-average face. Unfortunately, no face pix. I asked and had the camera, but no dice. Standard bar setup, 30K for beer, 50K for LD, lady doesn’t get anything for the drinks. Atmosphere was nice and laid back. They asked if I wanted a lady to sit with me, she didn’t hound for drinks, was nice company and didn’t [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and moan when I tipped her 100K when I left The mamasan tried to teach me some choice VN phrases to use on Thuy, like I love you and you’re pretty. Unless I can read the words, I have a hard time remembering any of it. Thuy seemed nice and a bit “protective.” She warned me of the moto and cyclo scams and pointed out a couple of other bars in the area that might try to “take money.” All in all, a positive experience.
After leaving, strolled around a bit to get my bearings. The My Sherpa map I was using was great, but a couple of items were out of place. Wandered down the street where Smiley is located. Chatted with a door lady, found out that it was a karaoke joint for Japanese customers and invited me in. I pointed out that I wasn’t Japanese. LOL She insisted it was OK. I told her I couldn’t sing, either. She insisted that it wasn’t necessary, I could just speak with the ladies. We had a couple of giggles but I passed.
Wandered into Smiley and was nabbed by a bar shark named Van. I’m thinking a 5 on the PP scale. Rather “long” face, for lack of a better term. Same pricing scheme. Ordered my Tiger, got Van a drink and was immediately hounded for a pool game. If I lose, I get naked. I looked around and noted that I didn’t see any naked women in the place, so I figured they won all the time. She said no. She said the games were 100K. I asked her if it would be OK if I just gave her 100K and we called it even. She insisted that that wouldn’t be the same! I finally convinced her that I wasn’t in the mood for pool. Got her a 2nd drink and finished by beer. The 2:1 LD to beer ratio seems to be fairly consistent. So, after dodging several offers to view the upstairs rooms (she finally admitted that other things besides pool went on), I decided to leave. Pulled out 150K, expecting 20K back. While waiting I gave Ms. V 100K and she immediately starts the P&M routine and begging for another. My BS tolerance level has gotten much lower the last day or two. I asked where my change was and she informed me that it was 20K for the peanuts. Nice touch. Hand you peanuts that, in any country in the world are free, don’t tell you they’re not, then ding you for them. Great way to retain customers. That was the last straw and I bolted for the door. It’s not the $1.5, it’s the principle.
Nipped over to Apocalyple Now, just to see it. Nothing really, music not bad, all locals. I did like the surfboard with the "Charlie don't surf!" line painted on it. Not really my scene, so I made a lap and left.
So, off to CaLi. Got in the door and was immediately appropriated by 3 of the homeliest girls in Saigon. One spoke no English, was 34 according to her friend but looked 40+, and rated about a 4. The other two were a 3 and 2, respectively. As my dive master in Pattaya once said, “Careful. Nobody throw a stick or we’ll be alone.” Now, in fairness, they were nice girls. The older one kept giving me Thai-style sniff kisses all night (is that popular in VN, too?) and furiously playing with my nipples for the entire visit. The “3” latched onto my left side and was basically the talker and interpreter. The “2” came along 5 minutes later and latched onto the gravy train (there were no other customers in the place). She performed the bar massage duties. Anyway, the first 2 got a drink, the third asked but I refused and she didn’t press. A nice change. Spent a little more time than usual. They asked for another drink, but, again, no, and no begging. After the conversation played out and my nipples were getting tired, it was time to go. #3 told me, earlier, that a $10 tip, per lady, would be adequate. So, I forked out a $20. It was OK, cuz we spent quite a bit more time than the other places. #3 tried to up the ante, but I wasn’t buying and she didn’t push. I don’t mind them asking, it’s the pissing and moaning if you say no that irks me. #3 also wanted a bite of the apple, so she got 150K. All in all, kinda expensive, but nice attitudes all around. The older one actually seems like she knows what she’s doing. I suspect she’s good in the sack, but…
Now it’s time to visit Ms. Lieu for a nightcap, so it’s back to 91. I ask for her, my pronunciation sucks, but they finally figure it out. She’s as cute as I remember, so it wasn’t just the beer goggles. I find out that the breakdown of last night’s $100 was: 800K for her, 400K for the bar, the remainder to the hotel and taxi. I think my beer came out of her cut, but I’m not positive. She, as I, am disappointed that I have to get up early and can’t play. But I manage 2 beers and 3 LDs, just the same. I find out she’s available for take-out if the bar gets its 400K. She wants $100 for an all-nighter. I guess that’s reasonable? We make some tentative plans to hook up when I get back to SGN and I’ll take her to Vung Tao.
While in 91, a couple of Japanese guys came in. These guys know how it’s done. They sit with a couple of girls. A few minutes later I hear the clip-clopping of a hundred horses. I look up and it’s all the girls trotting across the bar. They stop in front of the Japanese and Lieu turns up the lights so they can get a good look. She explains that if you don’t like the girls you’re with you tell the mamasan and you get to pick from the line-up. I always knew it in theory, but I’d never seen it done. The girls they were sitting with were really attractive anyway, but I guess they wanted a good look at the competition. They did it twice. Brutal. But they stuck with the ones they had. Man, the feminists have so beaten down the western guys that, at least in my case, we cringe to even think doing something like that. But those guys understood the way the game’s played.
Anyway, sorry for the length with nothing good at the end. Maybe I’ll have something better to report in the next installment.
PP
I like this Phordphan - for a newby in town he is very perspective.
For information:
Smiley moved about Xmas time but apart from that nothing has changed.
Cali on HBT is one the up and up. Nice girls and they usually have some nice new ones as well