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A belated reply to Marlow who replied to a post of mine a few days ago while I was ensconsed in World. We have been having some PM correspondence.

He made one point to me which was very telling - that money concentrates the commitment in sex at an FKK which is hard to do in daily relationship. Very true

I don't however see the boundary between the FKK world and the rest of the world. Both are transient and it doesn't do to take either too seriously or be absorbed in the illusions

I know this is not Info but rumination, but I hope it is not just hot air out of a ruminant's arse:-)

Hey Shiatsu,

I personally have been exploring the relationship between pain and pleasure.

I don't mean this in an S&M way but rather as regards a couple of compromises:

a) coming is enjoyable but coming too often in a short period of time can be painful and not good for your health.

b) booking a session with an FKK woman is pleasurable but turning over piles of money if you are addicted to her is not pleasurable when the reality sets in.

In either case, its a matter of marshalling scarce resources (bodily fluids, money, time) and converting them into pleasure.

FKK pleasure is unfortunately not a lasting pleasure. I don't think anyone has figured out how to do that. And it does not extend into the real world.

A propos, I've heard that Sting is so into yoga and meditation, he has found a way to have an eight hour orgasm as he has total body control.

The alternative is to find a life partner who can either extend your pleasure or make it a living hell or who might actually achieve both.

Having had this internal discussion going on within me for a while, finding Partytreffs was a revelation.

For once, there was no internal discussion going on inside me about how each session was costing me something.

All that remained was an internal discussion about who amongst the women to go with and with whom I would come (as bodily fluids are the only resource which still remain in short supply).

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A propos, I've heard that Sting is so into yoga and meditation, he has found a way to have an eight hour orgasm as he has total body control.

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Nothing against Sting and not to be too cynical, but as they say back where I come from "I'll squat over that one till it grows roses."

Cheers,

Dedalus, who admittedly is a little cynical.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Hey Shiatsu,

In either case, its a matter of marshalling scarce resources (bodily fluids, money, time) and converting them into pleasure.

Having had this internal discussion going on within me for a while, finding Partytreffs was a revelation.

For once, there was no internal discussion going on inside me about how each session was costing me something.

All that remained was an internal discussion about who amongst the women to go with and with whom I would come (as bodily fluids are the only resource which still remain in short supply).[/QUOTE]

Jackyo,

Sometimes it is nice at discount places like Heavens Gate to know that each session is not costing so much that it breaks the bank. The downside is 20 minute sessions without warmup on the couch means you have to focus more.

Either way you are right about converting time and money into pleasure. It changes from time to time so the activity may have to be changed to fit the present need.

Shiatsu, apprecite your sage wisdom here to keep focus on FKK and the other world. Both are built on a measure of illusion and reality shifts around as circumstances change.

I am not sure about an 8 hour orgasim. The nerve endings are sending messages at an incredible rate and at some point they will just give up and the pleasure will turn to pain. I don't think there are many women that could take 8 hours of action.

Bob
Bob

If anyone wants I've got Qigong books about how to breathe and concentrate so you can recycle any orgasm. The purpose is to retain Essence and to develop longevity. There is absolutely absolutely no question of enjoying it in an everyday sense. It takes years of practice. I think I'm probably going to take 300 years to achieve it - slight logistical problem there :-)

I was thinking of running a survey to figure out which clubs are our favorite clubs but then realized that we have already voted in the sense that all I needed to do was take the number of reports statistic in the right hand column of the main page and use that as a proxy for votes.

Presumably, the clubs with the most reports are also our favorite clubs.

The medals (as of this AM) go to:

Gold to World with 1,648 reports
Silver to Palace with 1,274 reports
Bronze to Oase with 1,092 reports

All of these clubs are in Hessen.

The "other FKK club" category had 1,085 reports, just below Oase.

[quote=eagle 5]oase: this is by far my favorite club. i found that the girls in general were more friendly and did not harrass the heck out of you if you did not want a session. the girls where never rude or make sarcastic remarks if you declined a session with them.

the gems that i did find were all gfe and provided excellent service. i did not have 1 bad session here.[/quote]

of this selection of clubs you visited, this is my favorite club too.

[quote=eagle 5]palace: most of the girls which i had sessions with where ok but they really wanted to be done and once you spermed you were shown the door, no kissing or hugging afterwards.[/quote]

this is my pet peeve and i am glad i'm not the only one who finds this offputting. i don't book multiple sessions with women who want to rush me out of the room. its the equivalent of "wham, bam, thank you, m'am." i look for a post-session transition which kind of takes advantage of the afterglow of sex and am extremely disappointed when there is none.

[quote=eagle 5]tempermental providers: romanian for some reason i found them in general to be grumpy (for example--anka now at oase), and rushers in the room. had 3 sessions and only one i thought was decent (elise----palace). i just think that most of the romanians do not want to be there. [/quote]

i've had very variable experiences with rumanians and am not a big fan either.

[quote=eagle 5] i don't know how these girls do it but i observed one girl doing about 10 guys in 7 hours. don't they get sore?[/quote]

pt girls have multiple sessions in an hour so 10 in 7 hours pales in comparison.

[quote=eagle 5] i was also suprised by the number of married females in the fkk clubs. i don't ask the females about their personal life but i'm assuming that it is done for citizenship reasons. [/quote]

these are relationships, in quotes, particularly if they are foreign women. most of these so-called husbands have an economic motivation too, by the way, but let's not go there.

[quote]These are relationships, in quotes, particularly if they are foreign women. Most of these so-called husbands have an economic motivation too, by the way, but let's not go there.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know apparantly the "husbands" get paid to marry them. I had a long chat with a girl at the FKK club about this. She also has a boyfriend back at home where she is from and she is married at the same time to a German. Who knows but perhaps she could be lying but I never paid a session with her and there was no reason for her to tell me this to entice a session out of me. It was quite an interesting chat with her.

It is rare to hear stuff like this in North America. Also the trials and tribulations she had getting out of her country to make some money for her family was quite admirable. Again she never asked me if I wanted a session or bothered me later on for a session, just a sweet girl in general.

In retrospect perhaps I could have sessioned with her to "help her out" but I physically wasn't attracted to her and she understood this.

Maybe I will session with her when I go back in the spring/07 to hit the Big Three and Bernd's! LOL

Can you active your private messaging? Thanks!

Jacko:

PM'ing is a paid service now. Thus I don't have it yet. I did have PM'ing up to 2 weeks ago before they took it away from me.

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Hi Eagle 5,

1. With all due respect, I posted a notice on the forum for 6 months AND sent out three seperate emails advising everyone that the PM system was going to be a subscription member feature.

2. A Forum Subscription costs less than a .50 cent newspaper once a week.

3. If you purchase a subscription you will be able to recover your existing PMs.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Was watching the miss World contest live from Poland this evening, and I have got to say that there are a fair amount of FKK girls up to that level of beauty in the various FKK clubs.

So for any guys who have never been to an FKK club, you can really expect some serious hotties, many that really are up to Miss World levels of beauty.

Miss Cayman Islands was my favourite [url]http://www.missworld.tv/bio/bio.sps?iBiographyID=92237[/url]

[QUOTE=Jackyo]I was thinking of running a survey to figure out which clubs are our favorite clubs but then realized that we have already voted in the sense that all I needed to do was take the number of reports statistic in the right hand column of the main page and use that as a proxy for votes.

Presumably, the clubs with the most reports are also our favorite clubs.

The medals (as of this AM) go to:

Gold to World with 1,648 reports
Silver to Palace with 1,274 reports
Bronze to Oase with 1,092 reports

All of these clubs are in Hessen.

The "other FKK club" category had 1,085 reports, just below Oase.[/QUOTE]

are statistically skewed. A club that's really bad would also generate alot of reports! So would a club that makes alot of changes, is inconsistent, or has legal/business problems.
Once there is a report that generates a discussion the amount of posts can grow exponentially and not because of new unique posts which were generated by new unique experiences.
A forum of this kind serves a neighborhood pub with guys running to report positively on their prowess, and "success". Sometimes, and we all know of cases like this, the posts are suspect.
Also, some of us, who have other things going on in their non-mongering life, don't post on every club visit. I don't post unless something "report-worthy" happens, whether it's good or it's bad. I still and always have preferred Oase of the Hessen clubs, and one of the reasons is that I find that my experiences there are the most consistent from visit to visit. I have gone there many times without posting afterwards as just another post (WOW, lots of naked girls, she played with me, I DATY, we went to kino, then room , did doggie and mish, etc.) would seem incongruous.

What we shoud do, is get survey takers to wait outside the clubs with questionnaires and wait for guys on leaving, offering them espresso makers if they answer a few questions :-)

[QUOTE=Iseeu]Obviously, these survey results... are statistically skewed. [/QUOTE]

The method I used is very unscientific and it measures more which clubs are getting all of the buzz, not necessarily which ones are the best.

World does a lot of advertising in the Frankfurt area hoping to capture the Messe crowd, for example.

Taking the other extreme, Bernds does no advertising and relies on word of mouth.

Relating this to a current discussion on the thread about Bernds, I am perfectly willing to let these results stand as they are.

That way all of the ISG traffic flows to Hessen leaving those of us in the know about the smaller clubs in NRW with a monopoly of those clubs and their women! :-)

[QUOTE=Jackyo]
Relating this to a current discussion on the thread about Bernds, I am perfectly willing to let these results stand as they are.

That way all of the ISG traffic flows to Hessen leaving those of us in the know about the smaller clubs in NRW with a monopoly of those clubs and their women! :-)[/QUOTE]
No argument from me!

[QUOTE=Wan King]Was watching the miss World contest live from Poland this evening, and I have got to say that there are a fair amount of FKK girls up to that level of beauty in the various FKK clubs.
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I know exactly what you feel buddy,

Once back from an FKK trip, there is one week of remaining excitment, as memories or still alive and ISG reporting allows to extend the experience. Then there is some depressive period, desperately reading ISG, and remembering FKK through TV. Yesterday, I was watching TV too, hypnotised by a movie as the actress Kate Hudson had exactly the same face than Cuban Bani from FKK World. Check out by yourself: [url]http://www.latinoreview.com/films_2004/touchstone/raisinghelen/images/kate4.jpg[/url]. Yes, some Hollywood actresses are nearly as hot as the FKK stars!

Last time, I watched also "Filhos do Carnaval" on HBO, a story about an influent Brazilian family in Rio de Janeiro. And when the men want to relax, they go to Terma Aeropuerto. Fascinating, I have never been to a Terma, but it reminded be exactly the FKK atmosphere. Do any of you know if there is any German movie showing an FKK from inside?

Routard, who is suffering from his addiction and needs to go back as soon as possible. :(