German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

What a bunch of nonsense, go on the German boards if you want to get this discussion going. Very little use in keep going back to it on this tourist board (an that includes me). If prostitution is reformed, we'll notice it. No sense in beating the horse to death, especially here, since very few people are interested in keeping this thing going. I expect the new anti smoking laws in NRW to have much more of an impact on our 'hobby'. You are right about one thing: you do not have a monopoly on the truth; far from it.

Free Dude said it all, this is a tourist board. I'd hazard a guess that 90% of the people who post here don't live in Germany. 70% might not even live in Europe. I had to google germany and prostitution to find out they closed down some flat rate brothels:

""Pussy Clubs" in Berlin, Fellbach near Stuttgart, Heidelberg and Wuppertal and two of them. In Fellbach and Heidelberg. Have been closed due to poor sanitary conditions, officials said." [url]http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/poor-hygiene-standards-germany-closes-two-flat-rate-brothels-a-638594.html[/url]

It also sounds like they are going after the human traffickers, not prostitution. [url]http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-coalition-backs-tougher-prostitution-laws-to-curb-trafficking-a-895748.html[/url]

I think I can speak for many here who visit Germany for the clubs. If for some stroke of misfortune Germany goes the way of Sweden and prostitution becomes extinct in Germany,"we" will find another destination to fill our needs. As to discussing these events, the guys in the partytreff forum might be more open to such a discussion since its their types of clubs that are on the chopping block.

Although it saddens me to read this, I understand that you are sex tourists and not particulary interested in Germany or German politics or what is happening in Germany / Europe. I myself have travelled to many places in Europe and further afield (Asia) on the same basis. So we are all as one in this regard. That said, I do like to have a broad and educated understanding about my host country. To know the good and the bad so to speak. Look I mean no offense but I do not see any harm in discussing the topic of the German Sex Laws (and any possible changes to these laws and how this will affect our hobby) in an open and straightforward manner. If there is no interest in this subject, the topic will move off the agenda very quickly.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;1414911].the topic will move off the agenda very quickly.[/QUOTE]Nice to think so but somehow I doubt it.

AM

[QUOTE=The Cane;1414477]If it all shifted just to the east to Poland, that would make me very happy, but I know that won't happen. To the east to places like Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine would make me quite unhappy. Very! Romania might be OK though.[/QUOTE]The worst may not happen The Cane and you may not have to move anywhere. Lets hope that this is the case. I just wish I could convince myself just a little bit more.

K

[QUOTE=Breadman;1414879]I'd hazard a guess that 90% of the people who post here don't live in Germany. .[/QUOTE]Correct. The 90% live in the FKK clubs and sauna clubs splitting their time between those in NRW and Hessen.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1414913]Nice to think so but somehow I doubt it.

AM[/QUOTE]You are entitled to your oppinion and to discuss any topic which you wish to discuss.
You should consider affording others the same rights within reason and the context of this forum.
Possible changes to the Sex Laws are pertinent for discussion in my oppinion.
You may not agree. That is your right.

[QUOTE=Yakob;1414916]Correct. The 90% live in the FKK clubs and sauna clubs splitting their time between those in NRW and Hessen.[/QUOTE]I am glad to see that someone exhibits a sense of good humour Yakob!

[QUOTE=Free Dude;1414876]I expect the new anti smoking laws in NRW to have much more of an impact on our 'hobby'.[/QUOTE]You are right what will the girls do if they cannot smoke their cigarettes!

[QUOTE=Breadman; 1414879]""Pussy Clubs" in Berlin, Fellbach near Stuttgart, Heidelberg and Wuppertal and two of them. In Fellbach and Heidelberg. Have been closed due to poor sanitary conditions, officials said."

[url]http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/poor-hygiene-standards-germany-closes-two-flat-rate-brothels-a-638594.html[/url]

It also sounds like they are going after the human traffickers, not prostitution.

[url]http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-coalition-backs-tougher-prostitution-laws-to-curb-trafficking-a-895748.html[/url][/QUOTE]Hessen Bub will also confirm that the reason for the club closure is to with various issues like sanititation (but no idea why the Hessen authority no close Oase) and the traffik.

However, a German lawyer that we knows in the Oase say that the court rulings in these case also have to do with the girls cannot be fucking for so little money. It is a theme that a free will person cannot be selling themselves for less than a parking meter makes or a child worker in McDonalds. As such it can be only be forced if the women do the fucking for so little. The German is from the same lands that befell these clubs in the south and took interest in the cases.

It make me remembers to give a fair payment for a fair service. This is why I likes to take one hour or if possible I give an extra even if not always needed. I no quibble over the time unless outrageous. I will no suffer in death for being short an extra 50 euro.

[QUOTE=Yakob;1414926]It make me remembers to give a fair payment for a fair service. This is why I likes to take one hour or if possible I give an extra even if not always needed. I no quibble over the time unless outrageous. I will no suffer in death for being short an extra 50 euro.[/QUOTE]Yes. If it is the case that most of the women working in the clubs (be it a flat-rate brothel or an FKK / Sauna Club) are unable to make a reasonable living (by Western European standards) there will be pressure for rates to be increased by means of regulation. The basic income which the women take home should be sufficient for them to live independently and comfortably in the area of Germany in which they currently reside. A regulation or law like this would weigh more heavily on the lower end of the market but inevitably a rise is rates for women working at this lower level will also push rates higher at the upper end of the market (FKK / Sauna Clubs) too. Of course what you are also alluding to is the fact that money is being taken from some girls by pimps, managers, gangs whatever. It is harder to predict what changes to the laws might be brought into play to offset this type of matter or even how this can even be prevented.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;1414936]Yes. If it is the case that most of the women working in the clubs (be it a flat-rate brothel or an FKK / Sauna Club) are unable to make a reasonable living (by Western European standards) there will be pressure for rates to be increased by means of regulation. .[/QUOTE]Flat rate brothels: They can increase the rates but the fact is guys won't spend their 50 there anymore. Its supply and demand with not much quality thrown in. You get rid of the flat rate clubs but all the girls who can't work in a regular club are forced on welfare.

Sauna and Fkk clubs: They increase the rates, now the clubs are even slower than before.

Government gets too involved and you've got more problems than when you started. From what I understand, they wanted the girls off the streets hence the club setup and red light districts. Off the streets but documented so they pay their tax's. Don't think they want to lose both of these gains.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;1414936]Yes. If it is the case that most of the women working in the clubs (be it a flat-rate brothel or an FKK / Sauna Club) are unable to make a reasonable living (by Western European standards) there will be pressure for rates to be increased by means of regulation. The basic income which the women take home should be sufficient for them to live independently and comfortably in the area of Germany in which they currently reside. A regulation or law like this would weigh more heavily on the lower end of the market but inevitably a rise is rates for women working at this lower level will also push rates higher at the upper end of the market (FKK / Sauna Clubs) too. Of course what you are also alluding to is the fact that money is being taken from some girls by pimps, managers, gangs whatever. It is harder to predict what changes to the laws might be brought into play to offset this type of matter.[/QUOTE]Expenses are already high enough, especially for a monger like me who first travels across the seas and pays for lodging accommodations, and then spends forty percent of his sessions cornholing pretty girls in what amounts to already expensive upsells. I'm not prepared to pay more than 100 euros extra for anal. If it goes any higher than that, then I'm out and would drastically curtail any future trips to Germany in favor of other destinations. Anal action may not be so important to other mongers, but it is to me. And if I'm not getting enough of it in a particular place (for whatever reason) , then that locale slips down on my desirability list. Yakob knows whose posts to follow when he wants to know about anal. Mine.

By the way, what is considered to be a "living wage" in Germany? Just how much is a person supposed to make in order to be deemed earning a living wage? Don't you think the most successful "sales girls" in this business would be making a living wage if they didn't have to give it all to pimps, leech boyfriends, money-sucking relatives back home, etc? If that's what's taking her money, it seems to me that the solution is not to simply to raise rates. All that would do is put more even money into the pockets of the ones skimming her money. The solution is to remove the moneygrubbers in the middle, especially that criminal element. But since that's not likely to happen either, here we are! What will be will be, and I will adjust my travel patterns and habits accordingly.

But, the first things raising rates would do (while it lasts) is put more money into the pockets of the criminal elements. And I emphasize "while it lasts" because there is a breaking point at which the customer base would begin to drop off due to the rising cost of mongering. And if enough of the customer base drops off, then the industry (in the form that we know it) would collapse. And, I believe that's precisely what the "do-gooders" want! To destroy the sex industry in Germany as we know it!

Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

If (and that's a big if) legislation around prostitution in Germany will change we can discuss what the alternatives are. If they change to the worse. Until then. Happy mongering.

(BTW: If you want to discuss this on an epic scale now, take it here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?667-General-Info[/url])

HB

Just one more thing: There's a federal election coming up in September 2013. So politicians are in election campaign mode. Testing various themes, one of them being prostitution laws. We had that before. After the election there's other more urgent things getting priority. A CDU-SPD grand coalition is a distinct possibility. So. We'll wait and see.

HB