Manila

[blue]Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Surfer]

PBurgos, LA Cafe, and maybe the EDSA Complex are about the extent of how adventurous "the Senator" and his clique ever get. By AVOIDING the clueless hordes, you will get more GFE action at lower prices too.
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I've spent plenty of time inside and outside Manila but I don't consider anybody "clueless" for going to P. Burgos, La Cafe or EDSA. Perhaps Surfer needs to work on his manners. First he bad mouths anybody who's ever stayed at a 5 star hotel and now this? Surfer, if your name is on the next poll I predict you will win by a landslide.

[QUOTE=snipped from Surfer]
PBurgos, LA Cafe, and maybe the EDSA Complex are about the extent of how adventurous "the Senator" and his clique ever get. By AVOIDING the clueless hordes, you will get more GFE action at lower prices too.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Prov1]I've spent plenty of time inside and outside Manila but I don't consider anybody "clueless" for going to P. Burgos, La Cafe or EDSA. Perhaps Surfer needs to work on his manners. First he bad mouths anybody who's ever stayed at a 5 star hotel and now this? Surfer, if your name is on the next poll I predict you will win by a landslide.[/QUOTE]
Presuming accuracy of the original quote, Surfer never called anyone "clueless", only suggested that (what he really did write, as quoted) generally yields better quality at dramatically lower cost, and he's certainly correct about that.

That's not to suggest that for some the high-cost-fast-action-ultra-tourist-venues aren't a good choice. Here now, money to burn, gone in a few hours, sure thing, no mess no fuss, like buying expensive cola from a pop machine, and the can it comes in might be as advertised, maybe. Beyond that, please pay attention to what he's trying to tell you instead of taking exception to the way you improperly rearrange his words, no offense to you intended, I know how easy it is to take things out-of-context when trying to read & post too fast. Perhaps "clueless" might have been more politically-correctly elaborated as "without time for great experiences" as I suspect was likely his intention based on what I read.

On, topic, I've personally "known" more than a few girls who've been at LA Cafe and/or at some point worked along EDSA, and a few points in-between and elsewhere, and I have little doubt that people who know have posted good info about Burgos, but I avoid the ultra-high-price impersonal "tourist" experience. Hey, all except the hard-core are just regular girls trying to make ends meet and if they're really lucky meet someone who'll treat them right for more than a few hours or a fwe days or even a few weeks. I think that's the difference the original poster was trying to point out.

Myself, I'd like to find out about that blow-job-while-you-wait-for-your-haircut place an American told me about. I wonder if I still have his cell# - after this I'll have to look in my phone!

seeking info that is already on the board (but they prefer to send you a questyion like "hey, where should go in the PI". Very generous of you to offer to help people though, and it sounds like you have some detailed knowledge of the QC scene. Your post raises the often ignored ESSENTIAL rule of punting in the PI: NEGOTIATE. For EVERYTHING )(time, price and services).

I can speak pretty decent Taglish, which helps a bit, but I never encountered animosity from the locals in QC bars. I find Filipino men pretty darn tolerant of us pawing their women. I also generally travel alone, and I do not not get drunk or act like a loud mouth idiot, nor do I go on and on about how great America is (while insulting the Philippines). The culturally sensitive traveler from the US is almost always accepted in the PI, even in Muslim areas of Mindanao.

Cancontrib: thanks for your post too. I have found some great girls on Pburgos & EDSA. As you correctly stated, I was merely saying that there is a large number of foreigners who never get beyond the "famous" places and that there are rewards for being more adventurous. Those with a "clue" (read: more savy mongers or guys spending more than a few days in the PI) realize that. But for a short time visitor with no Taglish skills I would not hesitate to reccommend EDSA or PBurgos (although I would say Angeles is also a must see for a visiting monger, especially a poor one).

G'day guys,

I have been sent to Manila in a rush for work. First time here, know nothing about the place. staying at the edsa shangri-la. have quickly scanned the forums re this area, but would like to ask the following. Is there now anywhere near Mandaluyon city(which is where I believe I am) such as massage parlours, bars etc, which are open of a day time (my nights are accounted for with work) that I can walk to or not takie long to get to. 2. is there any 'dial in" services available where I can ocntact a girl to come to me?

With thanks

F/mouse

[color=purple]Call Kathy at 0921 733 8139, she has several ladies and she will send them to the Shangri-la mall for you to check out before you take them. Just tell her what you like she has some very nice ladies. This service is more expensive than the clubs, but that's the breaks when you don't want to go out and shop. Don't worry you'll have a good time. Post a report if you slam one of her girls.

You can see some of the girls at this site:
[url]http://maniladirect4.bravehost.com/[/url]
LOG-IN: power / PASSWORD: play


RaZZoR[/color]



[QUOTE=Fieldmouse]G'day guys,

I have been sent to Manila in a rush for work. First time here, know nothing about the place. staying at the edsa shangri-la. have quickly scanned the forums re this area, but would like to ask the following. Is there now anywhere near Mandaluyon city(which is where I believe I am) such as massage parlours, bars etc, which are open of a day time (my nights are accounted for with work) that I can walk to or not takie long to get to. 2. is there any 'dial in" services available where I can ocntact a girl to come to me?

With thanks

F/mouse[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the contact Razzor. I don't mind clubbing etc, but time and task sees me spending most nights working, thus not much chance to window shop. will send report.

F/M

[QUOTE=Razzor][color=purple]Call Kathy at 0921 733 8139, she has several ladies and she will send them to the Shangri-la mall for you to check out before you take them. Just tell her what you like she has some very nice ladies. This service is more expensive than the clubs, but that's the breaks when you don't want to go out and shop. Don't worry you'll have a good time. Post a report if you slam one of her girls.

You can see some of the girls at this site:
[url]http://maniladirect4.bravehost.com/[/url]
LOG-IN: power / PASSWORD: play


RaZZoR[/color][/QUOTE]

[color=purple]Fieldmouse, let us know how it goes if you bag one. I would like to see a report on the service they provide you. Enjoy.

RaZZoR[/color]



[QUOTE=Fieldmouse]Thanks for the contact Razzor. I don't mind clubbing etc, but time and task sees me spending most nights working, thus not much chance to window shop. will send report.

F/M[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer]I can speak pretty decent Taglish, which helps a bit, but I never encountered animosity from the locals in QC bars. I find Filipino men pretty darn tolerant of us pawing their women. I also generally travel alone, and I do not not get drunk or act like a loud mouth idiot, nor do I go on and on about how great America is (while insulting the Philippines). The culturally sensitive traveler from the US is almost always accepted in the PI, even in Muslim areas of Mindanao.[/QUOTE]

Surprise, Pinoys like to get laid too! Libre is just fine with any Pinoy I've ever met. Make it happen for them and they help you make it happen for all present. Works for me. I wouldn't know about some of the opportunities had I not been introduced just that way. We're of course talking about Pinoys well-known-enough to be at least half-trustworthy.

I also very much agree that a lower modest profile works much better than any loud-mouth routine, drunk or otherwise, and yes, being dead drunk isn't all that condusive towards getting laid. Anywhere. I'm also presuming that "culturaly-insensitive" translates to a minimum of passive cultural tolerance and acceptance. A "visitor" ( or anyone) can have a great GFE almost anytime anywhere, or can instead set out to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] everyone off. Pick one. Anywhere. You (whoever reads this) decide which is more fun.

[QUOTE=Razzor][color=purple]Fieldmouse, let us know how it goes if you bag one. I would like to see a report on the service they provide you. Enjoy.

RaZZoR[/color][/QUOTE]Viewed the website as provided by razzor (many thanks), contacted Kathy on the number provided. bad english resulted in Kathy hanging up 3 times before finally putting a male on. discussed options as per the website, gave me choice, not availabel, gave 2nd choice...not available...and so it went. Finally agreed that one of the girls was there and could come for 1500 more than advertised price. after discussion, agreed on advertised price, girl despatched with gorilla in tow. Girl and gorilla arrive, nothing like the girl on the website. 'old photo' insist gorilla and funds dispute starts again. py 4000 as per agreed, bloke calls girl outside, pays her. next she's into me about only getting 1000 and wants more money. Don't mind saying the romance has just about worn off by then.

Anyway, no extra money, a dud root, no enthusiasm, gave half arsed bbbj but not to finish, had no condom with her and wanted me to order via hotel housekeeping.

I am certain that though the number was the same, I did not actually talk to the proper organiser, but someone acting on Kathys behalf. The set up is a bit to good to indicate that my experience is the way they normally do business. Anyone else be able to provide info on this service?

Thanks for all those who assisted.

Fieldmouse

[QUOTE=Fieldmouse]Viewed the website as provided by razzor (many thanks), contacted Kathy on the number provided. bad english resulted in Kathy hanging up 3 times before finally putting a male on. discussed options as per the website, gave me choice, not availabel, gave 2nd choice...not available...and so it went. Finally agreed that one of the girls was there and could come for 1500 more than advertised price. after discussion, agreed on advertised price, girl despatched with gorilla in tow. Girl and gorilla arrive, nothing like the girl on the website. 'old photo' insist gorilla and funds dispute starts again. py 4000 as per agreed, bloke calls girl outside, pays her. next she's into me about only getting 1000 and wants more money. Don't mind saying the romance has just about worn off by then.

Anyway, no extra money, a dud root, no enthusiasm, gave half arsed bbbj but not to finish, had no condom with her and wanted me to order via hotel housekeeping.

I am certain that though the number was the same, I did not actually talk to the proper organiser, but someone acting on Kathys behalf. The set up is a bit to good to indicate that my experience is the way they normally do business. Anyone else be able to provide info on this service?

Thanks for all those who assisted.

Fieldmouse[/QUOTE]

Fieldmouse, next time you want room service just walk down to the lobby and tell the doorman what you want. He will have a lady up to your room within minutes at a fraction of the cost.

Okay guys,

This is my first post, so be gentle. I’ll start by confessing that I’ve been a lurker for a quite a while. Prior to the following events, I had never set foot outside of the US. I had always dreamed of a vacation described on these pages, but the problem was that I didn’t have the balls to travel alone so damned far away from home. On New Year’s Day 2006, I finally decided that life is too short. Soon thereafter, I got a passport, tickets, and told my boss I’d be out for two and a half weeks. With intel gathered from this board and from Filipino friends here in the States, I set out to plan and execute my first international mongering adventure. Before I hit PI for my next, yet more wisely planned adventure this fall, I have a few questions for the experts out there. Since this is my first post, I’ll include my questions in a trip report, to properly show appreciation for what I’ve learned here.

In April, I purchased my round-trip ticket through Travelocity, from New York to Manila for two weeks in June (1,450usd). To ensure that I’d have a well-rounded experience, I also purchased two round-trip tickets from Manila to Tacloban and Dumguete Cities (200 usd total. Not Travelocity, the Phil Air web-site). My itinerary was to check out Manila for a few days, then hop back and forth to Tac and Dum to meet two ladies I had met on FFF, then finish off with a bang in Manila. When I arrived in Manila 20 hours later (stop in HK), it was 11:30pm and my first reaction was exactly as you guys described: Damn, it’s HOT! I was sweating profusely before I even got into my transport.

I had made arrangements with the New World Hotel in Makati to have a driver meet me at the airport for about 40usd slapped to your hotel bill. (I later discovered that you can get a cab at the airport taxi queue for the same fifteen-minute trip for about 300p, or 5.50usd!).

I was pleased with New World. The room was a bit pricey at just over 100usd per night (Travelocity) but as it was my first time traveling abroad, and with safety being a prime concern, I accepted it as a necessary part of the learning curve. By the time I unpacked, I was so excited there was no way I could get to sleep. So I showered, changed, and returned to the streets on a reconnaissance mission. I had no real plans of getting laid that first night, I just wanted to find the Makati Starbucks to take in the scene and strike up conversation with anyone who showed interest. I figured that I’d have plenty of time to do the EDSA - P. Burgos - LA Café round after a good slumber.

My Starbucks-Forty Winks plan was derailed when a 20-something honey got into the elevator as I was going down. Instincts told me she was leaving after a session with a client. I launched the ‘dumb tourist’ routine and politely asked if she knew of a place where one could get something to eat at this hour. “I’m going to a place called LA Café, Sir. Would you like to join me, Sir? I’ll introduce you to my friends”, she replies, with all the courteousness that I’ve come to love about the Philippines. In less than five minutes we were in a cab. And in another fifteen, we were inside the infamous LA Café, where I was in a trance-like state for the next four hours. (I had made arrangements with the driver to pick me up when I was ready to leave.)

As a newbie to LA Café, I was impressed. I’d describe the atmosphere as ‘cutesy’, totally devoid of the rough, urban gangsta air I had expected - a pleasant alternative to the nonsense at some New York clubs that tire me. My new friend Jackie ushers me to a table where a few of her ‘friends’ are waiting, giggling, and so ‘very pleased to meet you, Sir.’ It’s obvious that Jackie and her girls are working me, but I don’t mind. It’s packed (2am Friday) and I’m thinking this is a perfect venue to pick someone’s pocket. Stares come from everywhere, but I’m not sure if it’s because I’m a foreigner, I’m the only brother around, or because everyone can tell I’m new. Ladies achieved scores from 6-10 on my hotness meter. I spotted several 10s simultaneously trying to get my attention, which was a first for me anywhere. One of Jackie’s friends succeeds with me because she carries herself like a native New Yorker, which helps me feel a little at home. Sheen is her name. She’d rank higher than the 8 I gave her, but she was drinking way too much, which is a turn off for me. Despite her silliness, we hit it off and later we were back in my room where she delivered a 7 performance. Although not the greatest in bed, she had great attitude and provided valuable introductory tips on LA Café. She stayed until 11am when I gave her 2,500p (please guys, it was my first time). She splits with promises to text after I get a sim, which she does constantly over the next two weeks to the point of being downright irritating.

Although I was at LA Cafe several times over the next two weeks, I found it hard to make an accurate safety assessment of the surrounding neighborhood. How safe is it to walk this area at night? Oh, upon leaving the club, hustlers work you hard. On one occasion, someone insisted that the driver and I owed parking. I ignored the demand, but the driver forked over 20p without hesitation. Did I miss something? Is it customary to pay the hustlers for parking in this area? Anyone have comments in general on dealing with the hustlers just outside of LA Cafe?

After another visit to LA Cafe, I brought someone to my room I later caught red handed stealing money hidden in my suitcase. (And I really thought I hid it well.) Needless to say, she went out on her ass. Anyone have suggestions on securing valuables? I later hired a hotel driver to tour the city.

After a boring thirty minutes of showing me the ‘Great Sites of Manila’ (at 1am) the driver asks if I’m interested in meeting women. “Of course”, I say, and off we go. We first travel along a street close to Makati that had a lot of adult establishments. I ask if we’re stopping, and he curtly responds, “No. There are too many undesirables here. It would be very unsafe for you.” (During my stay, I heard this line repeated by so many guides that I was terrified of going anywhere unescorted. With retrospection, I realize that it’s probably Lesson #1 in the Hustler’s Playbook: Keep the sucker’s wallet within reach. After returning home and reviewing this board, I’m absolutely sure that street was P. Burgos. If I see this driver the next time I’m in Manila, he’s getting a beat down.)

Our first stop was a strip joint called Athena on Roxas Blvd (in Pasay?) The driver accompanies me inside and introduces me to the proprietress as a newbie. The games resume. I politely avoid any price negotiation as I refuse to allow the driver to enjoy any kickbacks due to this obvious setup. Besides, I really want to just check out the place, chilling with a drink, and seeing where a conversation with a random honey may lead. The dancing was decent and the music surprisingly current. I had a drink with a 9 who offered to meet me at my room after her shift. I was content with learning that you can arrange to meet ladies on the DL and I summarily filed this tip. After a while, I conclude that club Athena too much resembles a tourist trap, so I pay the bill and tell the driver we’re leaving.

The next spot, Casino Royale, is not really a casino, it’s a casa (the card says Makati). About twenty ladies were available at the time I arrived (3am). I thought it a nice touch that a few called out, “Pick me Sir”, with enthusiastic smiles. It didn’t take long to pick out a 10, whose name I completely forget. We went back to my room (negotiated to 50usd) where she delivered a knockout performance. I had revisited Casino Royale and another casa during my time in Manila, picking up a total of three honeys. All three had consistently delivered better service than anyone I had picked up at LA Café. Is this the norm? Or luck of the draw?

Because I was too busy jetting to Dumaguete and Tacloban, I didn’t get an opportunity to explore Manila to the extent I had planned. I completely missed out on P. Burgos and EDSA. I’d go over my experiences in Dumaguete and Tacloban here, but I guess that’s other threads. But I will mention that I found it easier and cheaper hooking up with honeys in these cities than in the capital city. Would you guys say this is consistent with your experiences? To finish, I’ll just list some general observations about Manila:

The New World Hotel is girl friendly, even the security guards are open to sending someone to your room, for a tip, of course. However, she will be required to show photo ID before going anywhere near the elevators. They’re pretty adamant about this, as I twice witnessed poor fellows with dates who were refused entry. Although I didn’t partake, I also observed that the lobby offers a few possibilities. In the evenings, honeys seem to be hanging around the lounge areas, discreetly trying to initiate contact with any single guy who passes by.

I wandered around Makati for a few hours to see what a random walk would yield… Nothing, except for women past their prime handing out business cards offering massages, and a few dudes dressed like chicks at the Starbucks adjacent to the Shangri La Hotel.

Along Roxas Blvd, there seems to be a waterfront with a lot of festival-like activity. Is it safe for foreigners to take a stroll alone here? How likely is it to score here?

It seemed that action could be had anywhere, providing that you have the eye for identifying opportunities and your game is tight enough. Due to culture differences, it will take some time for the Western newbie to fully develop the ‘eye’.

Respect. Respect. Respect. I’ve always believed that respect and courtesy can turn around more delicate situations than we give them credit for. In the Philippines, this theory was put to the test and proven several times. In dealings with people, on any level, a display of courtesy and respect will take you a long way.

After the theft I thwarted, I got into the habit of working the question of photo ID into conversations with potential scores. If she didn’t have one, she’d be tossed back into the sea, no excuses. I find not having a photo ID very suspicious, and there are enough great scores waiting out there to make risks unnecessary.

I had my quad-band phone unlocked in one of the Malls in Makati (2,500pesos). After that, all you do is buy a sim for 150pesos and you’re ready to go. I had a hard time finding someone to unlock my particular phone in NYC, so I was surprised when the first place I visited in Makati had it done in thirty minutes.

It seemed that every honey I hooked up with had difficulty when it was time to part. Some even cried. I need to work on the art of the ‘graceful disconnect.’ Any advice?

Thanks

[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]

As for the safety of the area, all I can tell you is when the guy I went to manila with (he grew up there) and his cousins saw the area LA Cafe was in, they were horrified that I had gone there alone. I don't know if they were just being over protective or if its really that bad of an area...But most of the filipinos I talk to seem to think its pretty dangerous. However I have been wanting to ask the board's perspective on this also. How bad of an area is it? I havn't seen any posts like "I got beat down/robbed at LA Cafe" so I have to assume its alright.

However I was there a number of times and never had a problem. I even walked down the street to Amazonia (about a block) and had no problem at all, but it was full day light and I had a lady with me. I have a feeling that with all of the westerners that frequent both places, measures are kept to keep them safe. I think the last thing any filipino business owner would want is something discouraging western money from coming to his or her place.

[QUOTE=Gumby2004]

Although I was at LA Cafe several times over the next two weeks, I found it hard to make an accurate safety assessment of the surrounding neighborhood. How safe is it to walk this area at night? Oh, upon leaving the club, hustlers work you hard. On one occasion, someone insisted that the driver and I owed parking. I ignored the demand, but the driver forked over 20p without hesitation. Did I miss something? Is it customary to pay the hustlers for parking in this area? Anyone have comments in general on dealing with the hustlers just outside of LA Cafe?

After another visit to LA Cafe, I brought someone to my room I later caught red handed stealing money hidden in my suitcase. (And I really thought I hid it well.) Needless to say, she went out on her ass. Anyone have suggestions on securing valuables?[/QUOTE]

That's a very fine bit of reporting, Gumby2004! Sorry, to hear about the attempted robbery. Casino Royale, is now on my radar lock next trip. I hope you'll also post your experience with Dumaguete and Tacloban.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Gumby2004]Okay guys,

This is my first post, so be gentle. I’ll start by confessing that I’ve been a lurker for a quite a while. Prior to the following events, I had never set foot outside of the US. I had always dreamed of a vacation described on these pages, but the problem was that I didn’t have the balls to travel alone so damned far away from home. On New Year’s Day 2006, I finally decided that life is too short. Soon thereafter, I got a passport, tickets, and told my boss I’d be out for two and a half weeks. With intel gathered from this board and from Filipino friends here in the States, I set out to plan and execute my first international mongering adventure. Before I hit PI for my next, yet more wisely planned adventure this fall, I have a few questions for the experts out there. Since this is my first post, I’ll include my questions in a trip report, to properly show appreciation for what I’ve learned here.


[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue][/QUOTE]

Gumby2004:

No doubt, you deserve highest respect! To travel to the Philippines without having gathered experience from other foreign countries proves a hell of courage!

My tiny little advice would only be, simply don't make too many pre-arrangements next time (e.g. airport pick-up for 40 USD, driver who picks you up at LA Cafe etc). It is really not necessary in Manila and you can even save some money.

By the way, I will be coming to Manila/Angeles City next December and if you are also there it would be my pleasure to invite you for some ice-cold San Miguel! :)


Cheers - Hesekiels