FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

Neurosynth,

Since July 2017 AO is illegal. The new law also made illegal for girls to sleep in clubs (but many still do everywhere), to make any sex without condom, etc. , so it is better to avoid the topic.

AO is available anywhere on earth, also in normal clubs, Tp273 wrote he had it in Oase, even mentioning the name of the girl (I am sorry I didn't read that on time, LOL!), but this doesn't mean that the club likes it to be said, because they might have troubles. Officially the clubs must forbid even BBBJ, but even some thekes will tell you that it is included in the price of the room. If I am not mistaken, you theorize that what happens behind closed doors cannot be known, that the law is unenforcible, but this doesn't mean that the fact of not using lattex stuff has to be vowed.

Certain things are better left unsaid. For example, all of us must have noticed girls entering a club, fully dressed, have a quick conversation with the theke, disappear a few minutes and then come back naked ready for our dicks. They should have papers, by logic and by law, but they start immediately, they will deliver documents, permits and other bullshit in a few days.

And now imagine that a new young girl, who by law has always had to be at least 18 to work as a prostitute, joins a club and suddenly vanishes in a short while inspite of having become a star... It seems that nobody knows why, what happened to her, is she coming back, where has she gone, etc., no info at all. Imagine if the reason was that the club found out eventually that she wasn't 18 yet, you think that the matter could be openly discussed?

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2243866]Neurosynth,
Since July 2017 AO is illegal. The new law also made illegal for girls to sleep in clubs (but many still do everywhere), to make any sex without condom, etc. , so it is better to avoid the topic.[/QUOTE]Whoa, boy! This could be fun.

Some 11 women (at least for the registry office) on my 2 visits. Possible targets mainly were 3 ex RTCs girls plus a young sister. Service can have limitations varying on girls (and on you). Now the lockers-shower area has been covered, you don't get wind or rain anymore, but you still freeze.

Narcisa, met after nearly 4 years, physically more or less the same (short, slim and fuckable, but better not to indulge too much exploring her body), but face (make up?) and haircomb made her much prettier. Service great as usual, before during and after the deed;

Nicoletta, got much slimmer. At distance quite eyecatching, but at the touch, definitely too soft. Also, the service is not good and she doesn't want to receive your essence in any orifice;

Bianca, triceratops surviving the asteroid's crash. She's importing her sisters as well. They all look the same, the difference is just in kgs (like Adelina and Micky in Grimberg), this time I fucked Alina… thinking she was Denisa, LOL! If I'm not mistaken, they are 5 sisters, so next time I will have to try to mind the differences and ask the name earlier.

Another new face for me was hungarian Jenny. She declares 5 kids and 38 yo. By the face I'd say over 50, but the body is good, she's slim with a very slight belly, good boobs, great legs and, most of all, she has a marble ass which I hadn't touched for looong time and I'd say never in Germany. She fucks a bit like crazy, but her batteries last only about 10 minutes. However you can easily convince her to suck you to make her rest and recover her energy, and 20 mins fly away quickly. Like for Verena's Sarah, if you fuck mish, a pillow (or whatever might impede your sight / hide her face) will be of help.

The crew was completed by a bulgarian I had fucked a few kgs ago and other girls who were overweight and / or belonging to other religions.

I'd say that, in the overall, the best day of a highly unsatisfactory trip (probably the worst ever in NRW, worsened by the fact of being the longest I made) was in Dulmen: all women, apart from Nicoletta, kissed me good and made me finish, inspite of the room being shorter, at least in theory. Of course, beauty is a swear-word here...

[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2243932]Whoa, boy! This could be fun.[/QUOTE]Sure you may not realise but it is much more fun since 1 July 2017 that all sex services in Germany by law must be with condom and that means blowjob as well let alone sexual intercourse. For many this law change has escaped them except for a few who tried to suppress the discussion of services available.

I agree also that the new law change also forbade the women sleeping in the same rooms that they are fucked in. Even Living Room after raids by police has been told to maintain a relax area specially set aside for the girls to go to when they need to get away from the public areas or girls locker room.

Indeed the new laws have been fun.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2243866]Neurosynth,

Since July 2017 AO is illegal. The new law also made illegal for girls to sleep in clubs (but many still do everywhere), to make any sex without condom, etc. , so it is better to avoid the topic.

[/QUOTE]And more blah blah blah.

(1) I didn't need the lecture. Nothing you said was news to me or many others here.

(2) The management of this site has scolded those who have told other posters to not post AO information. They only do this occasionally, but their position is quite clear. Thus you are on the wrong side of this transaction. They make the rules, not you.

(3) You expressed uncertainty as to where to post about "Club By Night. " I pointed out that this thread is for places that provide AO services as a matter of course. Note the subject line for this thread.

(4) By posting about "Club By Night" in this thread you've already implied they are an AO place. If that is misleading you should warn folks about it here and now before they drive some distance only to be disappointed.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;2243998]Some 11 women (at least for the registry office) on my 2 visits. Possible targets mainly were 3 ex RTCs girls plus a young sister. Service can have limitations varying on girls (and on you). Now the lockers-shower area has been covered, you don't get wind or rain anymore, but you still freeze.

Narcisa, met after nearly 4 years, physically more or less the same (short, slim and fuckable, but better not to indulge too much exploring her body), but face (make up?) and haircomb made her much prettier. Service great as usual, before during and after the deed;

Nicoletta, got much slimmer. At distance quite eyecatching, but at the touch, definitely too soft. Also, the service is not good and she doesn't want to receive your essence in any orifice;

Bianca, triceratops surviving the asteroid's crash. She's importing her sisters as well. They all look the same, the difference is just in kgs (like Adelina and Micky in Grimberg), this time I fucked Alina thinking she was Denisa, LOL! If I'm not mistaken, they are 5 sisters, so next time I will have to try to mind the differences and ask the name earlier.

Another new face for me was hungarian Jenny. She declares 5 kids and 38 yo. By the face I'd say over 50, but the body is good, she's slim with a very slight belly, good boobs, great legs and, most of all, she has a marble ass which I hadn't touched for looong time and I'd say never in Germany. She fucks a bit like crazy, but her batteries last only about 10 minutes. However you can easily convince her to suck you to make her rest and recover her energy, and 20 mins fly away quickly. Like for Verena's Sarah, if you fuck mish, a pillow (or whatever might impede your sight / hide her face) will be of help.

The crew was completed by a bulgarian I had fucked a few kgs ago and other girls who were overweight and / or belonging to other religions.

I'd say that, in the overall, the best day of a highly unsatisfactory trip (probably the worst ever in NRW, worsened by the fact of being the longest I made) was in Dulmen: all women, apart from Nicoletta, kissed me good and made me finish, inspite of the room being shorter, at least in theory. Of course, beauty is a swear-word here...[/QUOTE]A few weeks ago I walked into M-EX in Dulmen, looked around at the girls on the loveseats and walked out! LU was terrible. From what you say about most of the girl's service it looks like a made a good choice. I had much better luck at Luderland & Freude-39. Even found a few at Grimberg worth fucking. At Arabella there was only one worth while.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1096-FKK-Oase-Burgholzhausen&p=2243129&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2243129.

I copy and paste the end of it:

"While driving there, I had carefully pondered what I could do to avoid being continuously tampered and hassled for going to a room and pay several extras, and I had come to this solution: ask for something I was pretty sure the girls wouldn't want to do. Many of them declared they would do anything, fulfill any fantasy, but when I mentioned my fantasy they would run away, mostly with contempt. In case I had met one who answered yes, I thought I could have tried to say that I wouldn't pay extra for that! I felt a Genius for sorting out also the possible second problem!

Unfortunately, these clever expedients worked with all the girls I got in touch with. But one ;-) "

I didn't say anything clearly, I didn't even mention AO, but guys understood I got it, also without paying extra.

Now, out of sentences like:

"In the past I have already made notice to Kuni and other posters that this thread is specifically for some topics, so Great Palace, Salome, etc. Have nothing to do here" "let's say"

"however the uglier girls will really make you feel, by many points of view, like if you were in a RTC. Roughly, 30 minutes cost 30 E, but any girl might offer different amount of time and service for slightly different amount of money"

"your chances of purification and relief here are much higher and much cheaper"

"And the only other 2 pretty ones on duty wouldn't want to satisfy my fantasies" (probably the same ones I had in Oase and in any other occasion)

And out of this sentence worth, in my opinion, a golden medal for its diabolic tenderness "but this time I didn't want to abandon my heirs in a place where they wouldn't feel at home"

It may not be clear, and it doesn't have to, but you can make up your mind. I like writing through the lines, and you, Neurosynth, should have also picked up something else from my previous post, but if you didn't get it, I won't explain.

I also advised not to go there on purpose if you are far away, etc. I think there is all you need to know. I wish more guys posted as much and even as unclear as I do.

Tp273, for example, just wrote he has visited all the clubs I reported about, but didn't write a single line. These are the things that make me post only once in a while whether I travel or not. I post more for myself, as a diary to remember things, than for people who can't write a line of info.

One may like my posts or not, but I do take the time and effort to write them for the benefit of people who give nothing back or just "I was there" (and... ?) or maybe just criticism. I am practically the only one in these desolated thread bothering to write a few "Blah Blah Blah". I apologize for that.

Eastgoing.

My simple question was:

"The theme of this thread is 'NRW AO Clubs.' Does Club By Night offer AO as a matter of course like the RTCs do?"

You could have simply answered the question. But instead you expect the reader to decode your ramblings which you describe by saying "I post more for myself, as a diary to remember things. " You might want to reconsider what the purpose of a forum board like this is.

Back to the main point.

The simple response to my question seems to be AO was unavailable from all but one worker there. Based on that I would say posts about "Club By Night" do not belong in this thread.

After hanging around with Kosher Kowboy and the gypsies in Dietz I started the long drive up to NRW.

Stopped into my first NRW FKK, Arabella, tonight to see who was around. There were about 8 girls or so and probably about the same number of guys. There wasn't much I was interested in when I walked in except one girl who said she required covered so I passed. She had great tits though so it was tempting. I was pretty disappointed with the LU compared to what was at Dietz earlier in the day.

After hanging out for a while Bianca showed up. I prefer big boobs but she is slim and has a nice body aside from the boobs. On the couch she was very friendly and a great kisser so I took her to the room. She was an excellent kisser, from my point of view, and moved onto a BJ which also was very good. We then moved to her on top with a lot of kissing which I really liked then moved to mish and finally spooning which is usually the position that gets me to cum. After busting a nut we cleaned up and headed back to the floor.

While I was walking to the room with Bianca I saw another girl who looked pretty hot and kept her in mind for my next room. After I came out from my Bianca room I saw her again and she had 2 guys trying to get her so I thought I would hang out to see what happens. I needed a rest before another room anyway. I hang out a bit and she came out and nobody was there so I grabbed her and we went to the couch. It was really too soon between rooms for me but she was pretty cute, not big tits, but she was cute enough for me to overlook the boobs. Her name was Alexandria and she started off with some great kissing and a bit of rubbing on the couch and then we headed to the room. She sat me in a chair and kissed me up and down eventually moving to the BJ. She deeps throats but it actually hurt with my dick banging the back of her throat so I had her stop DT'ing and she continued a good BJ. I then laid her on her stomach and played with her ass a bit. I then started screwing her with her on her stomach which was very nice and we moved to a few other positions. It was too soon between rooms for me so I could not cum but she was a lot of fun to try with. I am meeting with her again in the morning when I should be able to come. Then I will head to F39 to see what it is like.

The location where until recently Saunaclub Aplerbeck was operating, has been turned in an RTC club:

FKK-Ludertreff.

Entry price: 30 (for this week, free entry 10-14 and 17-20).

Opening times: 10-24.

Website: [URL]https://www.fkk-ludertreff.de/index.php/home-ludertreff.html[/URL].

The website says something like "committed to the tradition of our house". Considering this used to be the house of the (in) famous Mausi, I wonder if they will ask you to kiss the German flag by entering, or whatever? Mausi had eventually to leave his house in Aplerbeck to move to a new location in Wambel, now named Luder Lounge. Maybe the choice of the similar "Ludertreff" name wanted to emphasize the connection?

Verena is in Dortmund as well but domain has no. Sex as the other RTCs.

It shouldn't be a problem; in Bochum F39 and Arabella.

[QUOTE=Varenne;2245443]The location where until recently Saunaclub Aplerbeck was operating, has been turned in an RTC club:

FKK-Ludertreff.

...

Mausi had eventually to leave his house in Aplerbeck to move to a new location in Wambel, now named Luder Lounge. Maybe the choice of the similar "Ludertreff" name wanted to emphasize the connection?[/QUOTE]Are you sure this is a true RTC? Luder Lounge to the best of my knowledge is not, but it is sometimes confused with Luderland in Leverkusen which is.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2246683]Are you sure this is a true RTC? Luder Lounge to the best of my knowledge is not, but it is sometimes confused with Luderland in Leverkusen which is.[/QUOTE]The new club Ludertreff is assimilated to Arabella, Verena, Luderland, Grimberg, Venus, F39 (what we now call RTC, irrespective from the actual decor). It seems that some girls from the Aplerbeck saunaclub team remained after it changed to Ludertreff though, and their service might not have adapted to what you expect in an RTC.

I confirm Luder Lounge is not an RTC.

Forgive my ignorance, but your question below was not answered (maybe it was.. but by PM?). I am mostly visiting GT, YY, Sharks and Oceans. So, this thing with RTC (red carpet club -- T = Teppich = carpet). Is this just the optics of the club? Or is it a special cluster of owners? Or is some sort of special service implied here?

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2246683]Are you sure this is a true RTC? Luder Lounge to the best of my knowledge is not, but it is sometimes confused with Luderland in Leverkusen which is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Varenne;2246702]The new club Ludertreff is assimilated to Arabella, Verena, Luderland, Grimberg, Venus, F39 (what we now call RTC, irrespective from the actual decor). It seems that some girls from the Aplerbeck saunaclub team remained after it changed to Ludertreff though, and their service might not have adapted to what you expect in an RTC.

I confirm Luder Lounge is not an RTC.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your adding new info to the mix here, but this seems a bit vague. If AO is not the rule rather than the exception, I'd be reluctant to think of Ludertreff as an RTC. Perhaps some others can report on what fraction of providers there are comfortable with BBFS.