Kyiv

[QUOTE=Limarian;2048802]You don't mention the name of the escort web site you used. That would be helpful.[/QUOTE]My apologies. I forgot to mention. It was relaxportal. But be aware, most of the profiles are fake.

Well, you are right, it might not be the best deal for me. She asked me for that amount and I agreed immediately. I didn't know much about the market and had no idea what amount would be fair. Maybe next time when I'm faced with the similar situation I would do some bargain. However that girl is really nice, with pretty face and big boobs. You can rarely see girls with that size of boobs in any part of the world even in Ukraine, so I did my best to keep her.

[QUOTE=Volpone;2048788]What a deal Anthony! I think your girl is going to get a high salary now. To rent a new 2 bedrooms apartment in the center or Petchersk, she needs around 15-20000 grivnas. With your 30000 grivnas you could have a harem of girls and not one. You are in the poorest country in Europe Anthony, a country that is equal to some poor countries in South America. Many people live in Kiev with 4-8000 UAH. How can you give her 30 000 UAH a month? And you are a young guy. I can't imagine when you will be old how much you are going to pay.

That's a good joke Anthony anyway. Nobody would pay that amount for a month....and for a computer for someone you barely know....Thanks for the good laugh....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlissDps;2048805]I just kicked a girl away after 2 days. She needed a Mac Book Pro blablabla, because then she could stay longer with me, as she had some course she could follow. I showed her my 500 $ laptop, and my IT company, and asked her why the hell she needs a MacBook pro while I can do professionally the most complicated tasks on my laptop which is 1/6th of her 3 k Macbook pro. Of course she didn't know what to answer "yes my friends say its good."

The worst ones are the ones who actually are looking for sponsors but say they are looking for a serious relationship and attack you with all their tricks and cheats.[/QUOTE]They are not the worst ones.

The worst are the ones trying to scam money, period. The ones looking for sponsors would at least fulfil their part of the contract.

Yeah I also had someone said to me that she needed a computer to do school work and that she didn't have a computer.

I also had someone told me that she could no longer contact me because her cell phone was stolen. I happened to have a spare older iPhone. But she said her friend says iPhone 6 was better. At the time iPhone 6 was the latest.

They all tell the same lies. Oh, and they all say they're not like other girls. And if you accuse them, they'll say they're greatly offended. There must be some kind of online forum where girls learn to scam because they all say the exact same things.

[QUOTE=JonathanPine;2049296]They all tell the same lies. Oh, and they all say they're not like other girls. And if you accuse them, they'll say they're greatly offended. There must be some kind of online forum where girls learn to scam because they all say the exact same things.[/QUOTE]Also be careful for the taxi scam which goes as follows:

A girl wants to date but lives in Borispol or even further away and she needs money for the Taxi. Uber or Uklon is not good as she had bad experience with that so she will ask 1000 grivna for the taxi.

Which is fine for 1 time, but knowing most girls just are available for shagging after 3 dates it will be an amount (3000 grivna) where you can better play on safe for by getting 2 x an escort for 1500.

Cheers!

Hey bro,

You must be loaded. Imac pro and 30,000 a month. I got friends who own a few houses in SF and would not pay that kind of money. I heard that 9000 uah is average income there. Oh man I think its too late now with EU open doors for them, more and more people knows Kiev. This game is over. And as some said, they are not poor, they are just poor on paper. I see a lot more brand new range rovers than SF. The girls are the economic driving force for Kiev and that tells you how many people they scammed.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2048622]Hi gentlemen,

This is my first detailed report in this forum.

Sorry for this late report I promised before since I had to deal with the university stuff, and also sorry for my limited English in advance, but I will try my best to be understood.

I have been in Kiev twice, once in February and once in May, each time stayed their for about two weeks. During my first trip I tried internet for most of my time and not surprisingly found that most profiles were fake. The first time I called a girl who looks a super model on the page but a babushka in her 40's showed up. The second time, however, was an unexpected success. I browsed on that escort website again and texted to a number, asking if the girl shown on the website is available, and got a negative reply. However, she (an agent, obviously) said they have other girls working and then send their photos to me via WhatsApp. Around five girls in total as I remember, all looked ordinary and boring, but I was so horny that I picked one called Zanna anyway. Zanna later came to my hotel and when I saw her I was absolutely surprised -- she was so beautiful and in good shape, and definitely a lot more hotter than what appeared on the photo, when was absolutely beyond my wildest expectations. I got surprised further when she got undressed -- white and silky skin, big boobs (size F, the biggest I've seen in the real world LOL), also big ass. The only shortcoming is that she's just a little fat, but this is negligible since who would care about this if she has such big boobs and ass. Also a little fattish girls are to my personal taste..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Volpone;2048974]I have also lived long periods in Kiev LuisVega and you are right there are some inhabitants of Kiev full of cash or that own many flats, but that's a minority in comparison of the people living in Kiev. You are also right that some top notch girls are rich, but again, that's not the majority of girls in Kiev. Anyway that is his money, so he can throw it through the window. I hope the girl is a real 10.[/QUOTE]A girl with huge boobs, a big ass, and a little bit fat would never be above a 5 in my book no matter how pretty she is. But the good thing is that we all have different tastes. I suspect such a girl is not in high demand in Kiev so the 30 K grivnas / mo is outrageous, but he can pay whatever he wants. I spent about 30 K dollars traveling with a girl over 2 years and I don't regret it on bit. It was a lot more fun than buying a new car.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2049646]A girl with huge boobs, a big ass, and a little bit fat would never be above a 5 in my book no matter how pretty she is. But the good thing is that we all have different tastes. I suspect such a girl is not in high demand in Kiev so the 30 K grivnas / mo is outrageous, but he can pay whatever he wants. I spent about 30 K dollars traveling with a girl over 2 years and I don't regret it on bit. It was a lot more fun than buying a new car.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2049646]A girl with huge boobs, a big ass, and a little bit fat would never be above a 5 in my book no matter how pretty she is. But the good thing is that we all have different tastes. I suspect such a girl is not in high demand in Kiev so the 30 K grivnas / mo is outrageous, but he can pay whatever he wants. I spent about 30 K dollars traveling with a girl over 2 years and I don't regret it on bit. It was a lot more fun than buying a new car.[/QUOTE]That's exactly how I live my life too. No nice car needed, I just want to travel the world and swimming with sea turtles and flying with the birds. I drive a used Prius 54 mpg. All money go into traveling. I think that is a great plan. Spend 30 k to travel with a girl but I think 5 k on each girl and travel with 6 different girls at 6 different times would be nicer.

[QUOTE=BlissDps;2048805]I just kicked a girl away after 2 days. She needed a Mac Book Pro blablabla, because then she could stay longer with me, as she had some course she could follow. I showed her my 500 $ laptop, and my IT company, and asked her why the hell she needs a MacBook pro while I can do professionally the most complicated tasks on my laptop which is 1/6th of her 3 k Macbook pro. Of course she didn't know what to answer "yes my friends say its good."

The worst ones are the ones who actually are looking for sponsors but say they are looking for a serious relationship and attack you with all their tricks and cheats.[/QUOTE]I had a sponsor girl for the better past of a year in Moscow some years ago and learned most of her tricks and capers. Fortunately she was not particularly greedy and did not ask for gifts. I was pretty generous without being asked and she had the good sense not to push my generosity. However, one evening we went out to a cafe where a small group of her friends just happened to be sitting. I offered to invite them to our table (I was paying of course) which ended up paying huge dividends that night because she was able to show off to her friends that her sponsor could afford to host them all for desert and drinks. This is an important point amongst girls who live this particular "life".

Bliss, I am sure you know this already but I think it's worth mentioning as a point of interest to our friends. The Mac Book Pro is not the point to this girl. It is the fact that she can "command" a Mac Book Pro from you. It's about bragging rights. It's about "game". Just as we mongers love to show off to our friends that we were able to bag a 9 or a 10 for next to nothing, these girls love to show off to their friends that they were able to persuade their "Amerikanits" or their "Anglichainets" to spring for an expensive bit of kit. Trophies to be sure.

[QUOTE=Jake993;2050148]ust as we mongers love to show off to our friends that we were able to bag a 9 or a 10 for next to nothing, these girls love to show off to their friends that they were able to persuade their "Amerikanits" or their "Anglichainets" to spring for an expensive bit of kit. Trophies to be sure.[/QUOTE]Hi Jake,

I totally understand your opinion.

It must be said that the particular girl is 30 years old, 1.60 (5,2 ft) tall and a bit fatty. Not more than a 6+ for me. (I am 35 yo, 1.8 m / 6 ft tall and 75 kilo).

As she repeatedly told me she is looking only for a serious relationship and only wants long term blablabla I started to believe her a bit before we met. I'm not on mongering holiday in Ukraine so I'm preferably looking for some fixed relationship or life partner. Of course I understand that all girls in every corner of the world need to be maintained, however demanding a mac book pro within the first 2 hours of meeting while claiming to be going for something serious is IMHO just utterly nonsense.

Cheers!

When they ask money separately for a taxi, I use one of 3 replies (1)"Just use the metro. Take your time. There is no rush. I use the metro every day. If it is good enough for me, it is good enough for you. " (2) "Where are you? I will send you my driver to pick you up". They refuse, of course, because they are usually a 10-minute ride away, and cannot justify the 200 UAH they were asking for a taxi. That is how much I pay from the airport! (3) "just give me a total, with everything included!

[QUOTE=BlissDps;2049365]Also be careful for the taxi scam which goes as follows:

A girl wants to date but lives in Borispol or even further away and she needs money for the Taxi. Uber or Uklon is not good as she had bad experience with that so she will ask 1000 grivna for the taxi.

Which is fine for 1 time, but knowing most girls just are available for shagging after 3 dates it will be an amount (3000 grivna) where you can better play on safe for by getting 2 x an escort for 1500.

Cheers![/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=BlissDps;2048805]I just kicked a girl away after 2 days. She needed a Mac Book Pro blablabla, because then she could stay longer with me, as she had some course she could follow. I showed her my 500 $ laptop, and my IT company, and asked her why the hell she needs a MacBook pro while I can do professionally the most complicated tasks on my laptop which is 1/6th of her 3 k Macbook pro. Of course she didn't know what to answer "yes my friends say its good."

The worst ones are the ones who actually are looking for sponsors but say they are looking for a serious relationship and attack you with all their tricks and cheats.[/QUOTE]She clearly told you what she was about. Either manipulate the situation for what it is or kick her to the curb. If you are looking for a common future, absolutely no reason to start rationalizing things with someone that sees you only as a walking ATM. Your "why the hell she needs a MacBook pro" serves only to alienate. " Yes sweetheart, I'm planning to buy you a MacBook, may I now have a taste of your honey cave". Way better response.

[QUOTE=Stevie69;2050222]When they ask money separately for a taxi, I use one of 3 replies (1)"Just use the metro. Take your time. There is no rush. I use the metro every day. If it is good enough for me, it is good enough for you. " (2) "Where are you? I will send you my driver to pick you up". They refuse, of course, because they are usually a 10-minute ride away, and cannot justify the 200 UAH they were asking for a taxi. That is how much I pay from the airport! (3) "just give me a total, with everything included![/QUOTE]Great answer, this is how I handled the situation myself.

Amazing report Stevie69. One of the best I ever read. I have some questions on girls on Tinder though.

I have matched with quite a few and I can't figure out if they're working or not. One girl had a long conversation with me and then agreed to meet for dinner / drinks and then asked me how long I was staying. I said 3 weeks and I will be back every few months for work, and she said that wasn't a long time to get to know each other "or you look here for somebody for relax." What the heck does that mean? Does relax mean sex? Also, another tinder girls first message was "what are you looking for here." I am unsure how to respond to these. Should I be straight forward or do I need to act like I am looking just to meet? I am trying to figure out if they are trying to offer their services or weeding out guys who are just looking for sex. I have seen a number of profiles that say "looking for serious relationship." But the girls def look like hookers. LOL. I am confused. Any help will be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Stevie69;2041835]Greetings,

I recently had a trip to Kiev and Odessa over March and April. I was there twice over a period of 2 months, for a total of 23 days. My previous trip was 10 months ago. I will have to disagree with the naysayers here. If you do your homework and if you go relatively often, the more often the better, you can still have a fantastic time for a relatively low price.

Instead of doing a play by play, I will instead just deal with a few key points. It will be less salacious, but more informative.

My general philosophy.

Briefly, in my opinion, an airport bus is preferable to a taxi, an apartment is better to a hotel, and the much talked about Rio is too expensive. If I were willing to pay 300 USD, I would just stay at home. On top of the usual venues (bars, clubs, cafes, and the street), I shall add conventions (there are many, some to your interest, and maybe you can get your employer to pay for your trip), English teaching forums, and when the weather is favourable, beaches and parks..[/QUOTE]