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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3035129]Filipina Pea video, exception to minor law (RA 7610), age 12 or under.[/QUOTE]So a relative or known carer must be present -- but what being alone with teens aged 13-17 inclusive? Our good member Amadeuss was nearly nailed by a 17-year-old's father (with gambling debts), together with a rogue cop, in AC a few years ago. The great staff at the ABC hotel helped him out of trouble.
[QUOTE=Trevor2522;3035692]So a relative or known carer must be present -- but what being alone with teens aged 13-17 inclusive?[/QUOTE]Its a good question. I think the law only covers 12 and under.
[QUOTE=Trevor2522;3035692]Our good member Amadeuss was nearly nailed by a 17-year-old's father (with gambling debts), together with a rogue cop, in AC a few years ago. The great staff at the ABC hotel helped him out of trouble.[/QUOTE]I'm not aware of the details of said situation*. However, it would turn out to be the exception, not the rule. Daily, tens of thousands of foreigners in Phils are in their home, condo, apartment, or hotel, with small children that are not theirs (the children of his GF, missus, or her siblings). He might be taking them to / from school also. Some of those foreigners have been step-parenting for years or decades, and never face a problem.
* Its possible Amadeuss posted his travails-and-troubling situation at the time, and I either missed it, or have forgotten it. I guess the details would matter. Did he invite a girl over for a round of whoopee? Whoops! Or alternately was the girl there innocently, as the daughter of Amadeuss' missus?
I would advise to stay as far away as possible from such situations, is not worth the rewards whatever they may be.
Well intended neighbors, envy relatives, exs, or police quotas to be fulfilled, or simple extortion scams may land you in deep murky waters.
Plenty of pussy available without the complications.
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3035129]Filipina Pea video, exception to minor law (RA 7610), age 12 or under. The exception rules out boyfriends alone with their GF's child; the exception is for those in a normal or supervisory role with the child. At / about the 19:00 minute mark in the video, with attorney Gracie Bellingham Bennett. Contrary to what I've seen many times on the Internet, the law was never restrictive to just foreigners, it applies to everyone including Filipinos. It reads as: [B](b) Any person. . .[/B]. Besides covering relatives of the child, the exception covers anyone who normally is around the child with the parent's, family's, or community's knowledge (ie, babysitter, step-dad, etc.).
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wJfPQly9U[/URL]
Was having coffee with a mate a few weeks ago in a Manila mall when another foreigner fella happened by and stopped to chat with us. His first trip to Phils, he'd met a girl online and they hit it off. He expressed his concern over her bringing her daughter to his hotel at times, that he might be arrested. He said he'd heard of such bad things. My mate and I weren't quite sure how to respond to that, other than to say that we knew bunches of expats here in Phils, city and provinces, with asawa and minor children, who have never been bothered by such.[/QUOTE]There is the law, and there is how the law is interpreted and enforced, especially when foreigners are involved.
I have no doubt thousands of foreigners go about their daily life step parenting in the Philippines, but it only takes one person with a grudge to completely ruin your life.
[URL]https://plnmedia.com/koen-charge-dismissed-cebu-judge/[/URL]
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3035707]It's possible Amadeuss posted his travails-and-troubling situation at the time, and I either missed it, or have forgotten it. I guess the details would matter. Did he invite a girl over for a round of whoopee? Whoops! Or alternately was the girl there innocently, as the daughter of Amadeuss' missus?[/QUOTE]It was around 2015. He had an adult in the room for fun. She invited her adult-minus-one friend in 'for a shower', with his permission but, apparently, no contact. Seems they were all in on the scam.
ABC reception sensed something was up, covering for Amadeuss, with an advisory to pack a small, essentials bag and leave. He returned a week later after it had blown over. Close call. I couldn't imagine Thai hotel staff being so loyal to a repeat customer -- but their laws and perceptions are more relaxed and less prone to scams -- hence the country's overwhelming tourist popularity within SE Asia.
Test post, most can ignore this. There seems to be some misinformation out there as to where the ISG servers are located.
[QUOTE=RainMania;3035754]There is the law, and there is how the law is interpreted and enforced, especially when foreigners are involved.
I have no doubt thousands of foreigners go about their daily life step parenting in the Philippines, but it only takes one person with a grudge to completely ruin your life.
[URL]https://plnmedia.com/koen-charge-dismissed-cebu-judge/[/URL][/QUOTE]Concur. Important to remember that many people in Phils jails are in on trumped up charges, or very minor charges, or charges intended to extort money from the arrested individual. Thanks the video link. This case was from before covid I believe. A foreigner fella was out with his stepkids, and also some of his missus' extended family, titas I think. All normal for them. A shifty relative of the missus, deciding he could get some money, convinced police to arrest the foreigner*. During and after the arrest, the family petitioned the police to release him, telling police that they considered him part of the family. After he made bond he left for his home country. The prosecutor refused to drop the case. Over the course of many months, with no evidence submitted, I think the case was taken over by the PJ, and then dismissed for lack of evidence. While the IACAT (Council Against Trafficking) initially got involved (the only source of possible future evidence), they dropped their involvement, and failed to turn up on court dates to provide any evidence (there was none).
The ruling by the PJ to drop the case (attached here) was short and pointed. As we don't hear much of these kinds of cases since then, its possible that this ruling acts as a precedent in our favor. The bond money was returned. While there is no language in said laws regarding minors that implicates foreigners, it will appear to foreigners (and locals) that the law is in fact targeted at foreigners, as they are the ones with money to extort. If the step-father in this case had been pinoy, this travesty would probably not have occured.
* In defense of the police, the Belgian was about to board a boat, with several minors (and adults in the family), headed to Moalboal. It could at least give the appearance of trafficking initially, but should have given way to the evidence that the foreigner was a step-father, and traveling with family. Welcome to Philippines.
[URL]https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/topstories/regions/637946/belgian-nabbed-on-suspicion-of-child-exploitation-in-cebu/story/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.philippines-expats.com/topic/30722-case-of-child-trafficking-against-a-belgian-thrown-out/[/URL]
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3035129]Was having coffee with a mate a few weeks ago in a Manila mall when another foreigner fella happened by and stopped to chat with us. His first trip to Phils, he'd met a girl online and they hit it off. He expressed his concern over her bringing her daughter to his hotel at times, that he might be arrested. He said he'd heard of such bad things. My mate and I weren't quite sure how to respond to that, other than to say that we knew bunches of expats here in Phils, city and provinces, with asawa and minor children, who have never been bothered by such.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3035720]I would advise to stay as far away as possible from such situations, is not worth the rewards whatever they may be.
Well intended neighbors, envy relatives, exs, or police quotas to be fulfilled, or simple extortion scams may land you in deep murky waters.
Plenty of pussy available without the complications.[/QUOTE]The foreigner in question was not mongering per se. He'd met a girl here and wanted to settle down with her. She has a child and he was wondering if he'd get in trouble not only if the child came to his hotel, but also if they were to play house together permanently. He was not interested in burning thru poon (that's my job).
Been getting this login error message a lot the past few days. It indicates that I have mis-typed my login credentials, and too many times. However it says, after just the first attempt, that I have failed my login quota, and must wait 15 minutes. I didn't fail the quota (3 attempts), I just mistyped it once. Also no need to wait 15 minutes, I just re-type it correctly and it works.
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3035932]Been getting this login error message a lot the past few days. It indicates that I have mis-typed my login credentials, and too many times. However it says, after just the first attempt, that I have failed my login quota, and must wait 15 minutes. I didn't fail the quota (3 attempts), I just mistyped it once. Also no need to wait 15 minutes, I just re-type it correctly and it works.[/QUOTE]I've been ok this week but I had a lot of the same last week. Maybe 50% of my logins.
In talking to your filipina, she might routinely confuse the words 'he and 'she'. When referring to her father, she might say something like: "She went to that place. He thought she will get the money there. But he don't get the money. She just got nothing". That's a rough example, but it happens. All of those 'he' and 'she' were meant referencing her father. In the different dialects, they have words for man (lalaki) or woman (babae), boy or girl, etc. But not for he and she. Its not an error in Filipino the way it is in English. Hit your translator and it will show the word 'siya' for either 'he' or 'she'.
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3038524]In talking to your filipina, she might routinely confuse the words 'he and 'she'. When referring to her father, she might say something like: "She went to that place. He thought she will get the money there. But he don't get the money. She just got nothing". That's a rough example, but it happens. All of those 'he' and 'she' were meant referencing her father. In the different dialects, they have words for man (lalaki) or woman (babae), boy or girl, etc. But not for he and she. Its not an error in Filipino the way it is in English. Hit your translator and it will show the word 'siya' for either 'he' or 'she'.[/QUOTE]Well pointed out Westie.
With the old Sabang contact, I'd be having a conversation, and she'd mention her daughter's lesbian partner (who wasn't too fond of her name Princess) and it would be he / she / he and I just assumed it was because this thing really looked like a bloke / guy. Then others would be mentioned, like her son or father and they'd be referred to as 'she'.
It took me a while to work out who she / he was talking about.
_Phil.
I don't mean to be rude but _ Sorry I can't help you.
The time has rolled around again for guys sending me PM's asking for the details of my contacts for easy hook-ups.
I'm reluctant to pass on such information for a number of reasons.
We're the ones who've made the mistakes, done all the research, put our time, money and effort into discovering some amazing contacts over time. Do you really think I'm going to give you a free ride by putting you in touch with a girl I worked really hard to discover?
Another reason is the perception that a Pina will hook up with any foreigner. I'm not going to pass on the details of a quality contact to some random stranger who has landed on ISG.
Harsh it may sound to some, but there's heaps of info on this forum and some excellent contributors who can point you in the right direction. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as sending someone a message and expecting them to hook you up without you having put any effort into it.
Thoughts?
_ Phil.
[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3038563]Thoughts?[/QUOTE]You're spot on. Lazy people need to [B]RTFF[/B], go and experience, then give back with informative (and may I dare say even entertaining) field reports. When they do that, others will be more willing to help them. Although, giving out contact information to random strangers is never a good idea, and especially if the girl didn't give her permission. There is more than enough intel on this site to figure out how to get out there and have a great trip, especially for a place like the Philippines. And here's another thing. When someone does help you how about showing some gratitude? I answered a few questions privately for a complete stranger recently, which is something I rarely do, but I was in the thick of a trip and it was all on my mind, and I was in a good mood. The asshole didn't even say thank you, and will probably never do a report. Back to not responding to random DMs asking for intel!
Some cities / countries are difficult to find and make sense reaching out forum members, but cities in Philippines are easy to score only if they RTFF. There are every ounce of details, strategy, $$ listed here, all they need to do is read. Read and f*ing read. If you don't have time and patience use any LLM grok, chatgpt and have it summarize it for you.
[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3038563]I don't mean to be rude but _ Sorry I can't help you.
The time has rolled around again for guys sending me PM's asking for the details of my contacts for easy hook-ups.
I'm reluctant to pass on such information for a number of reasons.
We're the ones who've made the mistakes, done all the research, put our time, money and effort into discovering some amazing contacts over time. Do you really think I'm going to give you a free ride by putting you in touch with a girl I worked really hard to discover?
Another reason is the perception that a Pina will hook up with any foreigner. I'm not going to pass on the details of a quality contact to some random stranger who has landed on ISG.
Harsh it may sound to some, but there's heaps of info on this forum and some excellent contributors who can point you in the right direction. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as sending someone a message and expecting them to hook you up without you having put any effort into it.
Thoughts?
_ Phil.[/QUOTE]