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[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3038563]I don't mean to be rude but _ Sorry I can't help you.

The time has rolled around again for guys sending me PM's asking for the details of my contacts for easy hook-ups.

I'm reluctant to pass on such information for a number of reasons.

We're the ones who've made the mistakes, done all the research, put our time, money and effort into discovering some amazing contacts over time. Do you really think I'm going to give you a free ride by putting you in touch with a girl I worked really hard to discover?

Another reason is the perception that a Pina will hook up with any foreigner. I'm not going to pass on the details of a quality contact to some random stranger who has landed on ISG.

Harsh it may sound to some, but there's heaps of info on this forum and some excellent contributors who can point you in the right direction. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as sending someone a message and expecting them to hook you up without you having put any effort into it.

Thoughts?

_ Phil.[/QUOTE]How to win friends and influence people:

Unannounced, call up a well educated girl after a hard day at the office. "Phil said you give good head and are an awesome fukk. I like girls with big tits who can deep throat too. Want to meet at a ST hotel for P4000?

I'm sure she would appreciate you giving out her number. 🤦.

G.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3038556]Well pointed out Westie.

With the old Sabang contact, I'd be having a conversation, and she'd mention her daughter's lesbian partner (who wasn't too fond of her name Princess) and it would be he / she / he and I just assumed it was because this thing really looked like a bloke / guy. Then others would be mentioned, like her son or father and they'd be referred to as 'she'.

It took me a while to work out who she / he was talking about.

_Phil.[/QUOTE]I'm not expert on Tagalog but several Asian language don't even have words to show gender eg brother / sister or aunt / uncle. It's more based upon relative age and respect.

A girl might say "my younger sibling started college so they need a motor bike" rather than "my brother started school and he needs a bike".

I fugged a girl once who asked if I would like to meet her "brother". My reply was WTF would I want to do that. Turned out the "brother" was a 19 yo beauty who was great fun. Misgendering (the good kind) is pretty popular in some places.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3038617]How to win friends and influence people:

Unannounced, call up a well educated girl after a hard day at the office. "Phil said you give good head and are an awesome fukk. I like girls with big tits who can deep throat too. Want to meet at a ST hotel for P4000?

I'm sure she would appreciate you giving out her number. 🤦.

G.[/QUOTE]And that's pretty much where I'm coming from G.

(Hang on_ I've got one on WhatsApp just now telling me her uncle's buffalo's sick).

Better go,

Phil.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3035932]Been getting this login error message a lot the past few days. It indicates that I have mis-typed my login credentials, and too many times. However it says, after just the first attempt, that I have failed my login quota, and must wait 15 minutes. I didn't fail the quota (3 attempts), I just mistyped it once. Also no need to wait 15 minutes, I just re-type it correctly and it works.[/QUOTE]I've had the same problem a couple of times, as of lately. And now I often have to login twice, even though I'm sure I typed the correct credentials. The first time it's simply not working. I don't get any error message, I just get the same screen again.

Furthermore I also quite often have to upload a new report twice. The first time when I hit 'Upload Report' I get a blank screen, and my report is not uploaded. Then I have to do it again to make it work.

Hopefully the forum isn't hijacked.

From a recent overseas remittance in Remitly. No transfer fee, and the exchange rate was 57.18. That's not bad, as the rate on the street in my town is upper 57's. The remit was direct to my GC, with no fees or deductions on that end. Transfer time was instant.

I posted this request both here and in a Thailand forum, so I apologize for the duplication.

Over the years, the number of moderately priced "hooker bars" has decreased dramatically in the Southeast Asia capital cities I've visited. Clubs whose clientele consists mostly of nicely dressed and attractive gals on the take and horny and moderately generous guys on the make.

Ladies working as independent contractors, not tethered to the bar. Able to come and go as they please without permission. Waiting for playboys to offer a drink or two, relax and chat, get comfy, quietly negotiate a deal, then head out the door to the lair of choice.

Their income is derived solely from whatever money they can extract from their randy customers. Places with no added fees: No mama-sans, no bar fines, no higher priced commissioned beverages, and no drink quotas.

I often played in the Beach Club and ACE Building in Kuala Lumpur, the "Four Floors of (Wh) ores" in Singapore, Taipei's "Combat Zone", PP Banana in Batam, Indonesia, Bangkok Sukhumvit's Biergarten, and the numerous foreigner bars in Jakarta's Blok M. All gone but not forgotten.

Of course, I can find these gals sitting in many onsite bars in 5-star luxury hotels. But their expected prices are normally much higher than the maximum I want to pay, and I'm loath to admit I'm staying at a no-frills 2-3 star lodge instead of a 5-star swanky room located just a short elevator ride away.

Hong Kong's Wan Chai bars are still there, but I don't want to pay over USA $200 for an off-duty housemaid. My Bar and Eastern Promise in Jakarta continue to serve me well. I've read plenty of online reports about Thermae in Bangkok. Midnight Haven (LA Cafe) in Manila is awesome in that most nights offer a selection of upwards of 100 gals who ask for USA $50-60 as compensation.

My question is can anyone give suggestions of similar reasonably priced bars around Asia that might offer what I'm looking for?

And please, no ear-splitting loud music dance halls catering to people almost 1/3 my age. I hate being the creepy old man in the club.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;3039833]

My question is can anyone give suggestions of similar reasonably priced bars around Asia that might offer what I'm looking for?

And please, no ear-splitting loud music dance halls catering to people almost 1/3 my age. I hate being the creepy old man in the club.[/QUOTE]If you're not a fan of the doof doof crowd and earsplitting music, have you considered food halls? LoSo meet for lunch and HiSo meet and chat after work waiting for traffic to calm down before heading home.

The low end malls' food courts have poverty babes happy to swap number or even leave straight away. Those in business areas take more work but the results can be worth it.

FWIW, Ipanema has relocated out of the 4 Floors but prices are now crazy. Clark Quay has bars with girls but, yes, prices are outrageous.

EP is still a good night but Blok M is barely alive.

KL is risky as most bars with girls are BMD establishments and girls may not even want to leave.

Good luck. G.

Apologies. This may be a case of RTFF. And for that I apologize. Have checked out this thread and FAQ.

Basically trying to find a report of the "lay of the land".

My experience has typically been Thailand at a variety of massage parlours where everything and anything is on the table.

I have not usually been one to bring back to hotel from bars etc.

I am going to have a couple of days Manila and Cebu. And ideally would like a "away from hotel experience" - but googling and searching don't show a lot of erotica massage parlours and most searches might come up with handjob at best.

Any direction to an explaioner would be warmly welcomed.

[QUOTE=Jqqmitch;3040071]Apologies. This may be a case of RTFF. And for that I apologize. Have checked out this thread and FAQ.

Basically trying to find a report of the "lay of the land".

My experience has typically been Thailand at a variety of massage parlours where everything and anything is on the table.

I have not usually been one to bring back to hotel from bars etc.

I am going to have a couple of days Manila and Cebu. And ideally would like a "away from hotel experience" - but googling and searching don't show a lot of erotica massage parlours and most searches might come up with handjob at best.

Any direction to an explaioner would be warmly welcomed.[/QUOTE]No idea why but the PH never developed a massage++ culture like TH, ID or even MY. That's not to say it does not exist. It does but it's the exception rather than the rule and needs to be sought out. You can't just walk into any massage joint and expect extras. You will likely be disappointed.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Jqqmitch;3040071]My experience has typically been Thailand at a variety of massage parlours where everything and anything is on the table.

I have not usually been one to bring back to hotel from bars etc.[/QUOTE]Due to your short timeframe and Manila / Cebu, it appears you need to find a massage place where you can get extras.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3040141]No idea why but the PH never developed a massage++ culture like TH, ID or even MY. That's not to say it does not exist. It does but it's the exception rather than the rule and needs to be sought out. You can't just walk into any massage joint and expect extras. You will likely be disappointed.[/QUOTE]I agree with Go. There are numerous massage places where you might get extras, but there are a number of off-putting downsides:

1) Many places don't offer extras.

2) Places that offer extras might do it cyclically; yes this month, no next month. Also girls who offer extras work in these places on-again / off-again, and the 'extras' place is not necessarily a place where you can count on getting extras [B]tonight[/B]. Bit of a sh*t-show.

3) Girls who work in such places are usually older / fugly. Don't count on 7-9's. Do count on ages up thru upper-40's.

4) Its over-priced, comparatively. After your initial agreement to p500+ for the massage, quoted extra prices will be more than you would pay by stepping down to Burgos St and finding a freelancer who is a few years younger and slightly thinner and taking her to your place. A Burgos FL will run you p1500-2000 for a private full service at your place, an extras full service massage place will be p3000+.

5) It might be the opposite of private. There is just a curtain separating you from the guy next to you. The guy to your right might be getting an oily handjob (always slappin' noisy), and the guy on your left might be serenading you with the twin-bed squeak-squeak and grunt-grunt while he's humping away. Could be good, could be bad.

Your best bet: Do an ISG advanced search in the Phils forums, RTTF, and contact anyone in PM who has mentioned such services.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3040166]Due to your short timeframe and Manila / Cebu, it appears you need to find a massage place where you can get extras.

I agree with Go. There are numerous massage places where you might get extras, but there are a number of off-putting downsides:

1) Many places don't offer extras.

2) Places that offer extras might do it cyclically; yes this month, no next month. Also girls who offer extras work in these places on-again / off-again, and the 'extras' place is not necessarily a place where you can count on getting extras [B]tonight[/B]. Bit of a sh*t-show.

3) Girls who work in such places are usually older / fugly. Don't count on 7-9's. Do count on ages up thru upper-40's.

4) Its over-priced, comparatively. After your initial agreement to p500+ for the massage, quoted extra prices will be more than you would pay by stepping down to Burgos St and finding a freelancer who is a few years younger and slightly thinner and taking her to your place. A Burgos FL will run you p1500-2000 for a private full service at your place, an extras full service massage place will be p3000+.

5) It might be the opposite of private. There is just a curtain separating you from the guy next to you. The guy to your right might be getting an oily handjob (always slappin' noisy), and the guy on your left might be serenading you with the twin-bed squeak-squeak and grunt-grunt while he's humping away. Could be good, could be bad.

Your best bet: Do an ISG advanced search in the Phils forums, RTTF, and contact anyone in PM who has mentioned such services.[/QUOTE]6). Onsite services can be a let down. Literally. Many do not allow full service inside the salon but do offer 2 HR minimums at the hotel. This means that, if asked for extras, the girls can have roaming hands to get the guy excited but stop short, expecting things to be continued in another booking. Meanwhile the guy is laying there frustrated wondering what's going on.

G.

When you take a girl from a bar, does the bar fines include the fee for the girl? Or is it like Thailand where you pay the BF and negotiate the girls fee?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3040166]Due to your short timeframe and Manila / Cebu, it appears you need to find a massage place where you can get extras.

I agree with Go. There are numerous massage places where you might get extras, but there are a number of off-putting downsides:

1) Many places don't offer extras.

2) Places that offer extras might do it cyclically; yes this month, no next month. Also girls who offer extras work in these places on-again / off-again, and the 'extras' place is not necessarily a place where you can count on getting extras [B]tonight[/B]. Bit of a sh*t-show.

3) Girls who work in such places are usually older / fugly. Don't count on 7-9's. Do count on ages up thru upper-40's.

4) Its over-priced, comparatively. After your initial agreement to p500+ for the massage, quoted extra prices will be more than you would pay by stepping down to Burgos St and finding a freelancer who is a few years younger and slightly thinner and taking her to your place. A Burgos FL will run you p1500-2000 for a private full service at your place, an extras full service massage place will be p3000+.

5) It might be the opposite of private. There is just a curtain separating you from the guy next to you. The guy to your right might be getting an oily handjob (always slappin' noisy), and the guy on your left might be serenading you with the twin-bed squeak-squeak and grunt-grunt while he's humping away. Could be good, could be bad.

Your best bet: Do an ISG advanced search in the Phils forums, RTTF, and contact anyone in PM who has mentioned such services.[/QUOTE]Can't refute the opinions of our esteemed colleagues. Over many years I have had a couple dozen massages in Cebu, Manila metro area, and municipalities in Northeastern Mindanao with no hint of naughtiness at all. When asked, each therapist declined, saying it was not allowed. They seemed offended by my suggestion, as I'm guessing "extra service" gets requested quite often. I hate the awkwardness afterward, so I've quit asking.

The only successes I've had are in Davao City. I've tried negotiating in the room at three small spas within the previous five years (not counting the two pandemic years), with full-service success at each. But as Westy mentioned, the price quoted was much higher than the evening streetwalkers in the nearby area. Pavement hooker prices were around P1,000 while the massage gals asked for P2,000. Not much difference in visual appearance between the outside pros and the inside muscle rubbers.

My hotel of choice is the Apo View, nearby the city's main red-light district. The massage parlors are on the roads east and south of the hotel, within a box bounded by Bonifacio, see-Bangoy (autocorrect here won't allow me to write the letter between Be and D), San Pedro, and Pelayo Streets. The sidewalks in that area are pretty well maintained for reconnaissance.

I always carry a condom in my wallet, so I'm not sure if the gals provide them or will decline service if you don't bring your own.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3040141]No idea why but the PH never developed a massage++ culture like TH, ID or even MY. That's not to say it does not exist. It does but it's the exception rather than the rule and needs to be sought out. You can't just walk into any massage joint and expect extras. You will likely be disappointed.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I may be out of the ordinary G, but the last thing I want is a massage.

Every Pina I hook up with starts with "Give you massage?

It seems they all think they're qualified.

A waste of half an hour when you could be hitting the shower for a real massage to kick things off.

_Phil.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe1;3040249]Can't refute the opinions of our esteemed colleagues. Over many years I have had a couple dozen massages in Cebu, Manila metro area, and municipalities in Northeastern Mindanao with no hint of naughtiness at all. When asked, each therapist declined, saying it was not allowed. They seemed offended by my suggestion, as I'm guessing "extra service" gets requested quite often. I hate the awkwardness afterward, so I've quit asking.[/QUOTE]If you were looking for a massage with extras in Cebu, then I would recommend trying a place called 'Young Hands'. I think they have two sites but I've only been to the one in Banilad. A standard two hour massage (1,500) comes with two pops, before and after. Love the idea of a pop before the massage cause it really gets you relaxed! One time it was clear I wasn't going to pop the second time and so the therapist decided that that wasn't acceptable and gave me a blow job to force the issue (it worked!) It has also seemed reasonably clear that the potential has been there for FS, but I've never felt the need when visiting. In particular this place has always provided me with an actual worthwhile massage, not just the extras, so I do recommend it highly.